2026-09-14 - Public Works Committee

0:02take over that.

0:04>> Good evening.

0:06>> Welcome to tonight's public works

0:08subcommittee.

0:10Uh with with me here tonight is city

0:14councelor at large Sacha,

0:17city councelor in district 3 John Fzolo,

0:20our commissioner of public works John

0:22Wesling and our assistant commissioner

0:24Jay Melo. Clerking for us today is uh AJ

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1:57Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

1:59>> Thank you.

2:01Um [clears throat] item two, approval of

2:03the minutes.

2:06Roll call.

2:07>> Councilors Friso,

2:10>> yes. Mitra,

2:11>> yes.

2:11>> And chairperson, councelor,

2:13>> yes.

2:18One sec,

2:21gentlemen. What item are you here on

2:23for? What are you here for? Which item?

2:25>> Observing.

2:26>> Observing.

2:28>> Observing. Okay, that's fine. I just

2:31wanted to make sure if you're here on

2:32something specific.

2:33>> Sure. Thank you.

2:34>> Yeah, you're welcome.

2:37Um, all right. Item 3A.

2:42Councelor Tony Econom requests

2:44installation of a sidewalk on the odd

2:46side of the northeast cutoff from David

2:48Clark Company 125 northeast cutoff to

2:50the intersection of Clark Street in the

2:53interest of public safety. I know um

2:58a representative from David Clark is

2:59here to

3:01to discuss that. Um if you want to come

3:05forward

3:09just your name, city of residence. Mark

3:12David. I'm the project director for

3:14David Clark uh residence in Grafton.

3:17>> Welcome. Um

3:20so I know we talked about this. We met

3:22and I know I've heard from various

3:24departments too on it and the thought

3:27was to put a sidewalk in from Clark

3:30Street, the corner of Clark and

3:32Northeast Cutoff down to your plant.

3:35Um,

3:39>> any further info that you want to add to

3:41it before I go to the commissioners?

3:43>> I think I think it's been stated, but

3:45when David Clark moved to that new

3:47facility, there's 15 to 20 employees

3:50that use public transportation. The

3:52nearest bus stop is over on Clark

3:54Street. So, when they turn the corner at

3:56the light onto Northeast CF, they have

3:59to walk into in the breakdown lane. So,

4:02we view that as a as an employer. It's a

4:05not a safe situation. I think it'll be

4:07exacerbated when winter rolls around and

4:10the opportunity to even walk in that

4:11grass area is no longer exists.

4:14>> Sure. Uh, commissioner, assistant

4:17commissioner.

4:19>> Thank you, Mr. Chairman. So, as you

4:21cited, DPW has looked at this uh a bit

4:24with some of our other partners through

4:25the city. Um, and this is something we

4:27support. Um, so our recommendation is to

4:30approve this item at the applicant's

4:31cost.

4:32>> Okay.

4:33Um, does this have to go to planning

4:37board or conservation or does this have

4:39to go to any other

4:42hearing

4:44in order for them to get started on what

4:46they want to get started on

4:48>> through the chair. I would recommend,

4:50[clears throat] excuse me, that as a

4:52courtesy we reach out to those folks

4:53because I'm not aware of any wetlands

4:56there. However, conservation commission

4:58might be aware of some. Okay. Okay.

4:59>> So, I think as a courtesy, we ought to

5:01at least let them weigh in on that.

5:04>> Okay. Um, have you spoken to anybody?

5:07>> I have not. I just want I have not yet.

5:09No.

5:10>> Okay.

5:11>> So, sorry. Yeah. Go ahead. Um, with this

5:14being a project that will involve curb

5:16line, you stand a chance to have to work

5:18on catch basins. Um, and then the way

5:20that

5:22>> the Worcester Conservation Commission u

5:25rules and regulations are set up is any

5:26work within a 100 feet of a catch basin.

5:28So if you're going to be near a catch

5:30basin, you'll have to reach out to Kong.

5:31>> Yeah. So we'll which we will we'll soul

5:33sack what needs to be done for those

5:35catch basins. So

5:37>> Okay.

5:37>> But I will reach out to them and get any

5:39other input.

5:40>> Yeah, it'll probably be uh or even reach

5:42out to Peter Dunn. Maybe he can help you

5:44through that process as well.

5:45>> I'll do that

5:46>> commissioner

5:46>> through the chair. I'm not

5:48[clears throat] pardon me. I'm not

5:49familiar with the process for uh the

5:52WRTA, but is there the possibility of

5:54requesting an additional bus stop in

5:57front of the David Clark company?

5:58>> I brought this up and I know I know they

6:01worked on it as well. Um I brought this

6:03up with the city manager last week and

6:05he was going to look into that too about

6:07trying to get a bus stop on

6:10north the northeast cutoff near their

6:12facility.

6:14Um, but I think they when you guys

6:16looked at it, you ran into a situation

6:17with the RTA as to what they were

6:20looking for anyways.

6:21>> Yeah. So, the so the original plans for

6:24the site required a they wanted a bus

6:26shelter at the end of the driveway

6:28through planning, which we were prepared

6:30to do and WRTA couldn't come up with a

6:33schedule that that worked. So, we we

6:36have not done that. We offered to let

6:38them drive onto the property, which is

6:41large enough to turn and go back up the

6:43other way, but the timing for the

6:46employees in relation to the bus

6:48schedule weren't going to align.

6:50>> So, that's what brought us here.

6:52>> I gota

6:54All right. I I'm going to still work on

6:55that.

6:56>> Okay.

6:56>> If that works, if that works for you.

6:58Um, do you have any questions?

7:02>> Council me.

7:03>> Yeah. uh through you to uh assist

7:06commissioner J Melo that uh it is at the

7:09expense of the applicant I think

7:11whatever the cost will be do we have any

7:13idea of what the cost could be at this

7:15point

7:16>> uh through the chair as this project

7:17hasn't been designed we don't have a

7:19concept of that um but it wouldn't

7:22really have a bearing on city projects

7:25>> okay with the

7:26>> if I may do you have an idea of cost

7:28>> it's going to be somewhere around

7:29$125,000

7:31>> okay thank you Anything else? Sure.

7:36>> Uh, Mr. Chair, yes. I'm going to have

7:38one more item. As you're speaking about

7:40bus stops, I've seem to observe there

7:42looks to be one within about a block

7:45>> of uh the site. Uh, and

7:50uh, at risk of saying this the wrong

7:52way, it appears to be bus stop 2331.

7:56And this is at the end of

8:00I don't know what road this is here.

8:01probably Clark.

8:02>> Uh, this is at the end of Clark and

8:06Nommen.

8:07>> Um, so perhaps there's a possibility to

8:11put some sort of infrastructure in that

8:12area as it would.

8:14>> It's not directly in front of your

8:15facility it seems like, but close enough

8:17that it might be usable.

8:18>> Clacker Norman, that's

8:19>> Clark and Norman.

8:20>> It's around the corner.

8:22>> Um, is that where the bus would stop?

8:25>> The the employees that use it get off on

8:27at the stop on Clark Street.

8:29>> Okay. Okay.

8:29>> About a quarter of a mile down Clark.

8:32>> Yeah. Right.

8:33>> That's where they come

8:34>> close to the bottom of the hill.

8:35>> That's right.

8:36>> And then they come down and around

8:37>> and then they walk and they take it

8:38right down a northeast cutoff.

8:40>> Okay. All right. Uh the motion would be

8:43to approve at the applicant's expense.

8:46I would just ask you to reach out to um

8:49whether it's Peter Dunn or just call the

8:51conser conservation number too to get

8:53them see what they may need as well.

8:56>> Question if I may. Yeah.

8:58>> Um, so we're going to we'll be extending

9:01the batuminous

9:03sidewalk that goes up. They're using the

9:05existing curb. There's some utility

9:07poles that are in the way, but we've

9:09determined that we've got we can meet

9:11the ADA requirements around those. Is

9:14the is the approval process and then the

9:17the permit process to do this work

9:20something that can be expedited so this

9:22work can be completed before November

9:261st.

9:27through the chair as uh this is a

9:29project where the city stands to have a

9:31benefit. I'm sure we can find a way to

9:32do this cooperatively.

9:33>> Okay. Okay. Thank you.

9:35>> Through the chair. I would also

9:36recommend that you have a conversation

9:38with the engineering division just to

9:40make sure that what you're doing still

9:41falls within the right of way since

9:43you're going behind utility poles and

9:45that it meets any standards that we

9:47have.

9:47>> We'll do. Okay. We'll put that together.

9:49Thank you.

9:50>> Thank you.

9:52Anybody else uh in favor or opposed to

9:55this?

9:57>> [clears throat]

9:58>> Name and city of residence, please.

9:59>> Uh Fred Nathan Worcester. Being a

10:02lifelong resident of Worcester, I think

10:05it's very very nice that the David Clark

10:08company

10:09in order to get this done is picking up

10:11the tab because obviously if it were to

10:15have the city have to do this, it would

10:17probably be probably be three years from

10:19now because unfortunately there's a lot

10:22of things that have to be done. And I

10:25like the line about in in the public

10:28safety and the public interest.

10:31I think that anytime you put up uh fixed

10:34sidewalks, it's always in the public

10:36interest.

10:38So, I think that's kind of like a

10:39no-brainer and I'm very happy, you know,

10:42to see this uh get uh get your approval.

10:46Thank you. Oh, uh just one more thing.

10:49Uh you were talking about the WRTA

10:52on Thursday morning over at the hub on

10:56the sid floor. They have a WRTA advisory

11:00board meeting at 8 at 8:00.

11:04>> Thank you. Anyone else in favor or

11:07opposed?

11:10Again, the motion would be to recommend

11:11approval at the applicant's expense.

11:14Roll call.

11:15>> Councelors Fazolo.

11:17>> Yes. Mitra.

11:18>> Yes.

11:18>> And chairperson, councelor econom.

11:20>> Yes.

11:25>> Item 3B, Evan Corgan requests

11:27installation of a sidewalk on the

11:29eastbound side of Mountain Street East

11:33from the summit to the fairways with

11:36planting of new trees on said sidewalk.

11:42>> Mr. Chairman, Evan Corgon, city of

11:45Worcester. This is now the the second

11:48time appearing before this subcommittee

11:50on this particular item. And last time I

11:53had a presentation. This time I don't.

11:55So that means I can be as short as I

11:57want or or or I could go long if anyone

11:59wants that too. But um uh the point

12:02doesn't change. Um this is a major or

12:05it's classified as a minor route, but

12:07it's a it's a major road that brings in

12:10thousands of cars a day, maybe even tens

12:12of thousands of cars a day. And it is a

12:15long street that has the capacity for

12:18people to go at a accelerated pace. Has

12:21no sidewalks for a very long portion of

12:24it. As we as we uh spoke about last time

12:28um dur during the period of time when I

12:31petitioned this, I was in a big tree

12:32phase. If that's something that makes or

12:35breaks the case, that can be that can be

12:37um removed from it. But I think as a

12:41critical component of public safety,

12:42there needs to be a sidewalk. There are

12:44people that do walk on the road. It's

12:45not a question of if. It's really only a

12:47question of how many people use it. But

12:49as we mentioned last time, we defined

12:52what a desire path is. And there's a

12:54clear desire path there which is shows

12:56that it's a beaten trail that's an on an

12:58unproved portion of it. And there's

13:01sections of the road that or there's

13:03sections of the the rightway or the

13:06public easement if you will that force

13:08people to walk into the breakdown lane

13:11which with their back to the cars coming

13:14downhill mind you. Now, I know that it

13:17was uh discussed last time uh about a

13:21possibility of looking at the other side

13:24of the street as opposed to the side

13:26that was outlined in this petition

13:28because that might um negate the

13:31necessity to a charge of betterment to

13:34the homeowners. If that is a

13:36possibility, then I think by all means

13:38place a crosswalk with a flashing light

13:41indicator there. But the critical thing

13:44and um is that where there is also a bus

13:47stop on that street that dumps people

13:50off into the the the unimproved area. So

13:54if it's winter, that's going to be snow.

13:56If it's raining, that's going to be mud.

13:59Um, and I I can't imagine too if anyone

14:02has mobility limited or in a wheelchair

14:05if they had to get off of that

14:06particular bus stop because they live

14:08nearby. I I don't u it's it's it's a

14:12situation that I think uh should have

14:13been addressed a long time ago

14:15considering that this street particular

14:18street where it is is older than our

14:19entire city. Um, with that being said, I

14:23understand the objections of the

14:24homeowners uh that

14:28uh objected last time and will likely

14:30object this time because um you know

14:34it's changing something that hasn't been

14:36there. But the critical point is that

14:38this is not just a street. This is not

14:40like VIA. This is not a private road

14:41where only the people that go there or

14:43the people that live there. This is a ma

14:45this is a a critical road that brings

14:47people from uh the grocery store down to

14:50where they live. And people do walk up

14:52that street. And my final point too is

14:55when I was checking out the thing, I was

14:56vindicated. I actually saw a gentleman

14:59who was walking on that path and I asked

15:01him like, "Do do you walk here?"

15:02Obviously, I go here once a week because

15:04I have to go to the grocery store. I

15:05said, "I'll give you a ride." I go and

15:07drove him to the to the grocery store.

15:09But I rest my case. Uh everything is the

15:13same as I said last time. It's a major

15:15it's it's a very often used road at

15:17accelerated pace that doesn't have a

15:19sidewalk that needs one. That's it.

15:21>> Thank you. Anybody here in favor?

15:26Anybody here opposed? One by one at the

15:29microphone. Just your name and city of

15:31residence, please.

15:32>> Durk England, Wisdom Mass.

15:34>> And you can adjust that microphone up,

15:36too, if you'd like.

15:36>> Durk England, Wisdom, Mass. Live on East

15:38Mountain Street. I have a few issues

15:40with it. One, the snow. The banks are

15:42four feet tall. We have retaining walls.

15:44There's nowhere to put the snow. They

15:46plow it day and night. So, the thing's

15:48rearied on our side. The best bet for

15:51that would be the other side of the

15:52street. Do the people don't have the

15:54retaining wall to move the snow off. The

15:56trees are going to cause blocking people

15:58from getting in and out of the driveway

15:59view up and down the road, which is

16:02already tough getting out in the winter.

16:04You go and add trees, it's going to be

16:06worse. And the other thing is most of

16:09our drivers only hold three cars. So

16:10when we have people over that greenway

16:12is where we park and our property lines

16:14extend out into that as we all know I

16:17believe three four feet on some houses.

16:20And then what was my other thing?

16:26>> Yep. The guest parking we wouldn't have

16:28room

16:30then we're going to have supposedly us

16:33footing the bill on it. I I don't see

16:36the reason. 30% of the street on the

16:38other side. People have personally put

16:40sidewalks in front of their houses. So

16:42why would you? And people that walk up

16:44and down the [clears throat] street

16:45maybe 10 to 12 a day. I I just don't I

16:48just don't see our side being viable due

16:50to the snow. And then we're losing our

16:52parking.

16:53>> So you can't go and host a holiday. You

16:55can't go and host a birthday party in

16:57the summertime and have people over.

16:58Where do you park them? Yep. We lose

17:01five cars in front of each house.

17:03>> Thank you.

17:04>> Thank you guys. And not everybody got

17:06this notice. My aunt, which is four

17:08houses down, same side, didn't get the

17:09secondary notice.

17:10>> I don't send them, so I don't know. I'll

17:12have to ask the clerk. Yeah.

17:14>> Thank you,

17:14>> Mr. Chairman. If I may, I uh just want

17:16to make sure everyone um is certain on

17:19what side the sidewalk is proposed for.

17:21This sidewalk is proposed for the west

17:24or south side of the road, however you

17:26view it, which is the side without the

17:27retaining walls.

17:28>> Yeah. So it' be um the northern side of

17:32the street,

17:33>> north or east, depending on how the road

17:35curves. So the side of the road we're

17:37talking about is with the one that

17:39already has the 30% of sidewalks in and

17:41without the retaining.

17:43>> Go ahead, sir. Name city res.

17:45>> My name is Mike Caribbo. I live at 48

17:48East Mountain Street.

17:49>> Are you on that same side?

17:50>> And I'm on that my neighbor a few houses

17:54down. And I also have four and a half to

17:58five foot wall in front of my house. And

18:01in the winter time, this is the big

18:04problem.

18:04>> Yeah.

18:05>> One or two good storms and from the

18:09road, the snow goes to the top of my

18:12wall.

18:14>> Understood.

18:14>> And if this goes in, I understand I'd be

18:18responsible for clearing all this.

18:20>> Okay.

18:21>> I'm 70 years old. I've had five spinal

18:24operations.

18:27I don't have the equipment to do this.

18:30I believe I have 150 feet of frontage.

18:35I snowblow my driveway and many times

18:38I've been 10 feet up off the road and

18:41have been hit in the back with snow

18:44coming off of plows while I'm

18:47snowblowing.

18:48And I

18:51am afraid that if this goes through,

18:54God forbid,

18:56some little kids are walking this new

18:59beautiful sidewalk and a plow comes by

19:03and injures these kids

19:07and hurts them severely. This is not

19:10going to be on my head. And I hope that

19:13the people who are voting for this think

19:16of what could possibly happen in this

19:20side of the streets with those high

19:22walls.

19:23>> Thank you.

19:24>> And that's that's all I have to say that

19:28and occurring the cost.

19:31>> I appreciate it. Yep.

19:32>> Appreciate you coming down for it.

19:34>> Please think about the safety of the

19:37because there's kids for school.

19:39>> Yep. and it it's going to be very

19:42dangerous. Thank you.

19:43>> Thank you.

19:48>> Tim Savara, 60 East Mountain Street. The

19:52majority of houses on this stretch have

19:56a retaining wall, a significant

19:58retaining wall.

19:59>> Are you on that same side, sir?

20:00>> Yes.

20:01>> Yes.

20:01>> Yep. And um

20:04they're pretty high.

20:06>> Yep. I'm familiar. His only measure the

20:08measure from the retaining wall to the

20:09curb is 10 ft. So if you put in a four

20:12or six foot sidewalk, where you going to

20:15put the snow? The plows come down the

20:17street, they pile it up.

20:20Snow, ice, the salt, and the sand from

20:23the road gets piled up. Homeowners don't

20:26have the equipment to remove that from

20:27the uh sidewalk. And as the winter goes

20:30on, it gets worse and worse. And then

20:33there's our ice problem. You got a a

20:35retaining wall on one side. You got a

20:37pile of snow on the other side. And now

20:39you have a a

20:42a sidewalk which where's the water going

20:44to go? Goes down, freezes. How's that

20:48going to get cleaned up? And you're

20:50going to make the homeowner responsible

20:52for this. And again, the cost, I mean,

20:56it's an expensive cost. Half of this

20:58road that we're talking about, this area

21:01has telephone poles right in the middle

21:04of where the sidewalk would go. So,

21:06there's a problem there. So, I'm I'm

21:09totally opposed to it. Thank you.

21:11>> Thank you for coming in. Anybody else on

21:13this?

21:16>> Go ahead.

21:19I don't know about if anybody else knows

21:22of this, but [clears throat]

21:24my neighbor next to me up the hill and

21:28uh it's up and my neighbor down the hill

21:34never received the first notice.

21:36>> Okay.

21:38>> Yeah.

21:39>> And thank you.

21:40>> And they I don't know about this time

21:43because my neighbor passed away. I'm not

21:46sure about the second notice, but his

21:49son said they didn't even receive the

21:50second one.

21:51>> Okay.

21:52>> So, it's probably why you have a poor

21:56turnout because I know of two people who

22:00didn't get served the notices.

22:02>> Thank you, sir.

22:03>> Okay.

22:10Um, so I I I just wanted to ask if it's

22:15possible through the chair to whoever.

22:18Um, unless you know what

22:22obviously we are looking at the item as

22:24it is, but we can amend the item.

22:26Correct.

22:27>> Yes. Yeah.

22:27>> As soon as we're done with listener

22:29testimony, I'm going to ask the two

22:30gentlemen sitting here next to me what

22:32options are available to us. Because I

22:34was going to say there's one critical

22:36objector that we don't have here, which

22:38is the majority of the frontage on this

22:40petition, and that's the country club,

22:42which is where the bus stop is on that

22:44particular side of the street. I'm not

22:45the type of person who needs to have the

22:47thing as as I wrote. I'm I'm happy to

22:50work with any solution. And if if the

22:52objection is in this particular area

22:54where there's a retaining wall, then by

22:56all means put a crosswalk in and have it

22:59across the street is through the chair

23:00if possible to the to the commissioners.

23:03Uh is that something that we can look at

23:06as an option?

23:08>> Well, why don't give us an opportunity

23:10to talk about it right right now in

23:12front of you and Okay. Sure.

23:14>> Because that is a question I'm going to

23:15ask.

23:16>> All right. Yeah. Then that that was my

23:17only that was my only question. Yeah.

23:19>> Thank you.

23:22Um, anybody else on this item

23:26hearing? None. Uh, gentlemen, um,

23:30I know we I know we did a walk down

23:32there to take a look at all this too,

23:34um, earlier in the summer. Um, and the

23:38conversation was maybe looking at doing

23:40it on the other side of the street, at

23:42least from a short section from,

23:45let me just see it here.

23:48Excuse me one sec while I pull it up.

23:53From um maybe Brier Lane to Rice Street

23:58or roughly roughly that wherever the

24:02sidewalk picks up again there around

24:03Rice Street.

24:11>> One moment, Mr. Chair.

24:14I know that was part of our discussion

24:16at that time just so as not to

24:18>> Yes. So, uh we looked at a few things uh

24:22while we were there and

24:24unfortunately coming across Rice Street

24:26on my [clears throat] Oh, there it is.

24:29Yes. Um so, uh while we were out in the

24:32field, we looked at because the original

24:34petition for this item was for the south

24:37or or west side of the road. Um so

24:39that's when we took a look at the east

24:41side of the road. um because we felt

24:43that might be a better option. Um so

24:46yes, it would be the opinion of

24:48engineering that the east side or north

24:50side of the road, so the opposite side

24:52for where uh many of the individuals

24:54here tonight are speaking from uh would

24:56be a much more ideal location for the

24:58sidewalk.

24:59>> And would that be the the area I just

25:03outlined from Brier Lane to Rice Street

25:07um be the vicinity we'd be looking at

25:10with crosswalks on either end? through

25:12the chair. Um,

25:13>> there might be one at Brier Lane. There

25:14might already be a crosswalk there if

25:16I'm not mistaken.

25:17>> Yeah. Uh, I believe there was some sort

25:20of infrastructure down there or we were

25:22citing it. Unfortunately, it doesn't

25:24actually seem like there is

25:25infrastructure down there. Um, there

25:26might be some on the opposite side of

25:28Brier Lane leading to the condominium.

25:31Um but in order to complete the

25:33sidewalk, uh should that be the

25:35objective to uh its terminus near Burnco

25:38Street, um we would need to do some work

25:42uh on East Mountain Street um north of

25:45Rice as well.

25:47Okay, I'm just trying to get this on my

25:50on my uh

25:51>> in this stretch of the road, as pointed

25:53out, there are um a few sections of

25:56homeowner constructed sidewalk u which

25:59would make the project somewhat simpler.

26:02>> Yeah. So, as um as this is written now,

26:09>> come on. I'm sorry.

26:16So, Brier Lane, there's no

26:19along the fairways. There's a crosswalk

26:21on the opposite street. There's some,

26:23but not all of it.

26:25And that's the area we'd be talking

26:27about to continue this side. Maybe to

26:30pick it up from um

26:35maybe we can pick it up from the

26:36fairways driveway

26:40>> or what what do you suggest?

26:42>> Uh through the chair, if you would like.

26:43Um what engineering could do is we could

26:46develop two or three scenarios for you

26:48showing you know sidewalk entirely on

26:49one sidewalk flipping uh and develop

26:52some preliminary costs and bring those

26:53back for discussion.

26:54>> Okay.

26:56So, so the way this is written is not to

27:02the way this stands at this moment

27:05[clears throat]

27:06is to

27:09pair this down from the summit to

27:11possibly to Quinnipoxet Lane

27:17from approximately where the sidewalk

27:20ends at the fairways

27:23on the golf course side of the street.

27:27Correct.

27:30As we're looking at it,

27:31>> this possible solution to start

27:34extending the sidewalk.

27:36>> Just bear with me one moment, Mr. Chair.

27:37I want to make sure I'm looking at the

27:39right piece of road here.

27:41>> Do you guys understand what I'm what I'm

27:43proposing?

27:44>> Yeah. So, uh,

27:46>> what I'm hearing

27:48>> is

27:52>> the major walls.

27:54It's nowhere near.

27:55>> They start at the triangle of

27:58>> No, we're not. No, it's um it's opposite

28:03the fairways. You know where the

28:05fairways are, right down the street on

28:06your side?

28:07>> Yep.

28:08>> Opposite side.

28:10>> That's where you're planning now to put

28:12the sidewalk.

28:12>> Well, that's what I'm proposing to try

28:14to find to try to find

28:15>> from there to where?

28:17>> From there up to just about Quinnipoxit.

28:20>> Just to Quinnipoxit.

28:22>> Yeah. But that's where all the major

28:24walls start on our side,

28:26>> right? And that's that's where we would

28:28end it. Put a crosswalk so people can

28:29get across the street

28:31>> and there be no sidewalks in front which

28:34stop right in that section.

28:36>> Thank you.

28:38>> So, uh through the chair um if we were

28:40looking to make an incremental

28:41improvement um there is a bus stop

28:44located just outside of Quinnipox and on

28:46East Mountain Street that would be uh

28:48included in any sidewalk. So, um, should

28:51an incremental change be the desired

28:53alternative here? We could, uh,

28:55definitely look at extending a sidewalk

28:57on East Mountain on the west side from

28:59Quinnipoxit down to uh, Brier Lane as it

29:03would um,

29:05allow for the bus stop to be taken up

29:07and also provide access to Quinnipoxet

29:09Lane and then you know down towards

29:13uh, this housing uh, complex here.

29:16>> Yeah, the fairways.

29:16>> Is that what it is? The fairways. Yep.

29:18>> Is that thing? Yep. The fairways. So

29:19we'd be able to go from the fairways to

29:20Quinnipoxit.

29:22>> So on Okay. Opposite the golf course.

29:26>> Correct.

29:27>> Okay.

29:28>> And I believe that's the golf course

29:30owns that land as well.

29:31>> I

29:34was put

29:37>> Okay.

29:39>> You have a question, sir?

29:40>> So you're going from Fairways to Quinn

29:42epoxit and then uh then you're going to

29:45bump to the other side up to the burn

29:46coat.

29:47>> No, that's it. That's it. So you're not

29:48going to go down in front of our house.

29:50>> We're just going to stop right there.

29:51Quinnipox.

29:53>> That makes sense.

29:54>> Yeah.

29:55>> Then you're not in front of our house,

29:57right? Keeps it away from your house

29:59from

30:00>> from the westerly side of Quinnipox to

30:03the summit or to to the triangle there.

30:06>> Yeah. All right. So that green in front

30:08of our house wouldn't get touched, which

30:09the police are already enforcing this

30:11year. It's the sidewalk. I've had five

30:12tickets.

30:13>> They sure are.

30:14>> Which which they shouldn't be enforcing

30:16if there's no sidewalk.

30:17>> Yeah.

30:18Something needs to be done about that.

30:19But no, I totally agree with you. That

30:20works for us.

30:21>> Okay.

30:22>> Thank you.

30:26Do

30:27>> you we aren't understanding each other

30:28on the right?

30:29>> Yes, sir. So, um from here what we can

30:32do uh is develop uh a rough plan for you

30:34and and a cost estimate and bring that

30:36back.

30:37>> Okay. So, this would all be subject to

30:40funding. This would all get added to

30:42what's called the sidewalk list. So

30:46to think this would happen immediately,

30:48it would not happen immediately.

30:50Anyways, um you had something you want

30:52to add, counselor,

30:53>> I just want to

30:56[clears throat]

30:57I just wanted to make sure that Mr.

30:58Carrian is

31:01>> Yeah.

31:01>> agreeable with this

31:03>> change of the plan or amendment in the

31:05plan?

31:06>> No, he's aware of the plan already. We

31:08spoke about the plan coming up on the

31:10other side, but we can keep it on the

31:11same side

31:12>> as where the fairways is because that's

31:14golf club golf.

31:18What's the country club land too? And

31:20it'll stop right at the corner at

31:22Quinnipoxit and it'll tie right into the

31:24fairways sidewalk there at the end.

31:28>> And the cost of doing this going to get

31:32>> it's going to it's going to go on the

31:33sidewalk list subject to to funding.

31:39Mr. Chairman, if I could just interject

31:41as well. I just want to make sure um

31:43from a approval perspective tonight, the

31:46bounds that we are discussing is just a

31:49shrinking of the petition. There is no

31:52changing as it relates to the proposed

31:54location.

31:56The only thing the only thing I'm when I

32:00look at it, I look at West Boilston

32:02Street, North and South,

32:04East and West Mountain Street, east and

32:06west.

32:07>> Mhm.

32:08>> So if I'm looking up West Boilston

32:11Street, north,

32:14take a right onto East Mountain Street,

32:16go past the veterary clinic, go past

32:20right down to Quinnipoxet Lane on the

32:23same opposite side.

32:25of Worcester Country Club where they

32:28play golf currently

32:30from Quinnipoxet Lane to the sidewalk at

32:33the fairways.

32:36>> Thank you, Mr. Chairman. And the only

32:37reason I stated it is

32:38>> I would I would say that would be the

32:39southerntherly side of East Mountain

32:42Street.

32:43>> Thank you, Mr. Chairman. And the only

32:44reason I I bring it up is because the

32:46committee can can make an approval as

32:49long as the bounds are being shrunk.

32:51>> Um you can't make an approval on

32:53something that is expanding. And I just

32:54wanted to make sure I clarified that it

32:56is just a shrinking of the current

32:58petition. Um it's it's no expansion into

33:01new locations that were that weren't

33:03already proposed and noticed.

33:05>> Perfect. Good to know. Thank you.

33:08Any further? Are we all on the same

33:10page?

33:13>> Any questions?

33:15>> Question.

33:17>> As amended.

33:19Motion to approve.

33:22>> Counselor. Uh, hang on. Yes, sir.

33:25>> Now that you change or we've changed

33:30where the sidewalks are going, will the

33:33people on the other side of the road

33:36receive notice to come and

33:40>> there'll be nothing. There'll be so from

33:41here on out there there won't be

33:43anything else done on this. Okay.

33:44>> Okay.

33:45>> Okay.

33:45>> So, what they will do is they will get a

33:48estimate. This will go on another list

33:52and at some point I'm going to receive

33:54that list with a cost associated

33:57doing that section of sidewalk.

33:59>> Yep.

34:00>> And then I have to wait for our money uh

34:04in order to get that done.

34:05>> Okay.

34:06>> So, okay. Thank you.

34:08>> If it does get selected to get done,

34:10everybody will be notified that it

34:12affects

34:12>> Thank you.

34:13>> You're welcome. Is that clear?

34:15>> Yes, sir.

34:16>> All right. Good. So, um, motion would be

34:20to approve as amended.

34:22>> Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Prior to doing

34:24so, I just want to make sure I also

34:25state too that because those folks are

34:27no longer going to be impacted

34:29financially because it won't be

34:30happening in front of their house, they

34:31won't receive any further notice as it

34:33relates to this because they're no

34:35longer in the affected area associated

34:37with it. The same way a person on the

34:39other side of the street wouldn't have

34:40received a notice today because it was

34:42never going to be installed and impact

34:44them financially at this meeting. Did

34:47you gentlemen hear that?

34:48>> Okay.

34:49>> Thank you.

34:50>> Councilors Fazolo,

34:53>> yes.

34:53>> Metitra,

34:54>> yes.

34:54>> In chairperson, councelor econom.

34:56>> Yes. Thank you. Thank you everybody for

34:59coming down.

35:01Item uh 4 a street discontinuence report

35:05of the planner board upon the petition

35:06of Mark A. Borstein Squire on behalf of

35:10Worcester Mill LLC request

35:12discontinuence of certain portions of

35:15Mil Street as depicted on the attached

35:17plan and abandon the city's right of way

35:21uh and easement rights in the

35:22discontinued portion of Mil Street.

35:27>> Good afternoon, Mr. Chair, members of

35:28the committee. Um uh as you just read

35:32into the record, Mr. Chair Mark

35:33Borenstein, attorney at the law firm of

35:35Principal Bell here in Worcester,

35:36representing the petitioner, uh the

35:38property owner of Worester Mill LLC.

35:39This afternoon, joined remotely by

35:41members of the team, Sam Adams of

35:43Worester Mill LLC, a principal owner,

35:45and Tim Hayes of Bowler Engineering in

35:47case there's any technical questions

35:48from the committee. Um we appeared

35:51before the planning board. You have the

35:52report in front of you uh requesting uh

35:55the the discontinuence, abandonment, and

35:57removal of a portion of Mil Street. This

35:59is the um accessory roadway, the

36:02carriage road if you will, along Mil

36:04Street. I think we're all familiar with

36:05195 Mil Street, the former Big D site.

36:07It's been vacant for a while. Uh I

36:09represent the the developer who is

36:11seeking to uh construct a multif family

36:13development on the site. Uh part of that

36:15development requires some of the

36:18underutilized portion of of the right of

36:20way. So, we've worked with DPW and DTM

36:23to come up with a plan associated with

36:26this discontinuence. Um, as part of that

36:30that ongoing discussion, we now have an

36:32access plan. I delivered a copy to each

36:34of the members of the committee. Um, and

36:36that that plan also allows for a butter

36:38access uh to to Mil Street. And so

36:42beyond that, um, I think there's a

36:44request from DPW and and DTM to a

36:47certain degree uh, regarding the

36:48retention of easements associated with

36:50certain um, utilities which are in the

36:53rightway that will be discontinued um,

36:55and certain modifications as well. are

36:57certainly willing to uh and will grant

36:59any easements necessary by DPW or DTM or

37:02and this is really DPW. Um with that,

37:06I'm happy to answer any questions the

37:08committee may have.

37:10>> No. Thank you. Uh anybody else here in

37:12favor or opposed?

37:15Turn over to the engineer if you can

37:16just uh

37:19further explain this and

37:21what your what your department's

37:23position is on this.

37:26Thank you Mr. Chairman. So um both

37:28engineering and department of

37:30transportation and mobility have had an

37:32opportunity to take a look at this. Uh

37:34actually parks has as well. So this has

37:36been a multi- uh department effort. So

37:39this particular uh bit over here will

37:42allow for development of the I forget

37:44the exact market but the property on Mil

37:46Street that has been uh defunct for some

37:48time. uh in order to allow for proper

37:51alignment of the roadway, driveways and

37:53everything else, uh we need to perform

37:54some discontinuence of this out there.

37:56Uh there is uh plans to eventually

38:00realign Mil Street um and kind of change

38:03the flow of it over there to make it uh

38:05safer, better for pedestrians, parks,

38:07and all the things that like um so that

38:09was accounted for in this as well. Um

38:12but everyone on the city side is

38:14comfortable with this. Um and then any

38:16of the uh work to modify the opening

38:19would be done at the applicant's cost.

38:20So

38:22>> okay, any other discussion?

38:29>> The um if I may through to the attorney

38:33has the abutters been a aware of this?

38:37So, um the adjacent the the neighbor um

38:40immediately to I guess it's the

38:44kind of plan plan uh west if you will

38:47the uh I think it's an auto automotive

38:49repair garage has been in discussions

38:51with the property owner at 195 mil

38:54street. Um but uh but certainly um what

38:59we're seeking here in terms of

39:00discontinuence only pertains to the

39:02property directly in front of 195 mil

39:04street.

39:05>> Okay. just as it comes down here.

39:07>> Yeah. So, you can see on the access

39:08plan. Yeah.

39:09>> Uh that uh there's now being proposed a

39:13obviously new sidewalks providing for

39:15the pedestrian connectivity, but also

39:17the driveway will lead right into the

39:18multif family development. Okay. And now

39:20there's a new driveway with kind of a

39:22turnaround for that automotive repair

39:24business.

39:25>> All right.

39:28>> Hearing nothing else on this. Uh motion

39:31would be to

39:33uh recommend approval of the

39:35discontinuence of that portion of Mil

39:37Street.

39:40>> Cool. Sorry. Go ahead.

39:44>> Have to be a little quicker.

39:46Go ahead. Uh sorry about the lateness

39:48again. Uh Fred Nathan Worester. I just

39:51want to make sure so everyone clearly

39:53understands something. I just kind of

39:55thought of it and after listening to the

39:58lawyer here, um, so the way they're

40:01going to take this away, correct?

40:05Will the person who owns the property

40:08that was formerly Big D, uh, will they

40:11actually gain some extra uh, part of

40:15that land or will be considered a public

40:18way by virtue of planting trees or

40:21flowers? because if someone's going to

40:24be able to get that land in, you know,

40:28virtually for nothing because the city's

40:29doing away with that, that's that's a

40:32whole of another story. So, if you could

40:34clarify that, please.

40:37>> So, that's that's a helpful question.

40:38Thanks for the question, Fred. So, um we

40:41are in discussions with the chief

40:43development officer regarding the

40:44acquisition of the portion that would be

40:46discontinued. Uh there was a title

40:47search done by I think by by our client

40:50but also the city had DPW look into it

40:52as well. The way it was discontinued and

40:55originally laid out oftentimes you see

40:57one of two things. You either see that

40:59once there's a discontinuence the fee is

41:01then reverted back to the adjacent

41:03property owner. In this particular

41:04instance the way it was laid out the

41:06city would retain ownership of that

41:08stretch that's to be discontinued. So uh

41:10the developer would acquire that

41:12property by purchase from the city.

41:16Okay,

41:18very good. Thank you.

41:22>> Anything else?

41:24>> All right. Motion would be to recommend

41:26approval of the discontinuence of Mil

41:27Street as depicted on the submitted

41:30plan. Roll call.

41:32>> Councilor Solo.

41:33>> Yes.

41:33>> Mitra,

41:34>> yes.

41:35>> And chairperson, councelor econom.

41:37>> Yes.

41:37>> Thank you.

41:38>> Thank you.

41:43>> All right. I'm just going to jump around

41:44a minute uh to take care of the people

41:47that are present. Is there anybody

41:49online,

41:51>> Mr. Chairman? There is uh one person

41:54still online. Um I'm not sure which item

41:57they're here for.

41:59Can't immediately determine.

42:01>> Okay.

42:02Do you have the ability to ask ask them?

42:06>> I don't know if it's a I don't know how

42:08that works online.

42:10>> Mr. Mr. Chairman, I do also believe

42:11councelor uh Bilada is here remotely and

42:14um

42:15>> raising his hand too.

42:17>> Yep.

42:21>> All right. So, let's go to item um

42:29hang on.

42:41He's got a slow volumes on here.

42:44Um, we'll go to item six

42:48E

42:50and six F. Take them collectively.

42:57Item 6E, Jenny Pepagi.

43:00>> Yes.

43:01>> Requests installation of an additional

43:03street light in the vicinity of 16 Kelly

43:06Square.

43:07>> Yes.

43:07>> Item 6F.

43:10Jenny Papagnney requests installation of

43:12an additional street light in the

43:14vicinity of 4-18

43:17Milbury Street.

43:18>> Yes.

43:20>> Your name and city of residence, please.

43:21>> Thank you. My name is Jenny Pagnney. Um

43:23I live in Worcester, Mass. Um I

43:26currently reside in the Hotel Vernon at

43:2816 Kelly Square. I'm requesting light

43:32the installation reinstallation of

43:34lights in front of 16 Kelly Square as

43:37they've been knocked down through car

43:39accidents over the past year and a half,

43:42two years. They have not been replaced.

43:44Um I did hand um councelor Eanumu a map

43:50of where I would like the placement of

43:52the light, the street light on Milbury

43:56Street. It would be directly in front of

43:58the barberh shop. I believe it is 16

44:01either 14 or 16 Milbury Street.

44:03Currently there is a tree there. Um

44:06there are several trees in that

44:08vicinity. There is a street light at the

44:11beginning of Milbury Street directly

44:13across from 16 Kelly Square and there is

44:16another street light at the end by

44:20Electric Haze on the corner of L Martin

44:23and Milbury Street right in the middle.

44:25It is very dark. Um, after once it gets

44:29dark outside, I tend to go over to the

44:32golf station

44:34and I've been accosted. I've been

44:37attacked. It is very imperative that

44:41these lights be installed. It is very

44:44dangerous. where the barber shop is. It

44:47is pitch black after 8:00 PM. There is

44:50no gate or anything closing off the the

44:55little common foyer that they have in

44:57front of the barberh shop. And there are

45:01um unhoused people that sleep there and

45:04in the little doorways. And it does make

45:07for a dangerous situation if you can't

45:09see people.

45:12>> Okay.

45:13Did you go through both of them?

45:16>> I did. Yes.

45:16>> Okay. I just want to make sure I did.

45:18>> Yep. Absolutely.

45:20>> All right. Great. Thank you.

45:21>> Thank you.

45:22>> Anybody else wish to speak in favor or

45:24opposed to these?

45:28>> Go ahead, counselor.

45:30>> When we're talking street lights, these

45:32are these are street lights that are she

45:36the uh the resident has said lights are

45:39down. Two of them are down.

45:41>> Yes.

45:41>> Yep. So, uh, we're going to replace two,

45:44but then you're you're asking to add

45:46street lights on Milbury Street,

45:47>> correct? Correct.

45:48>> One additional street.

45:49>> I just wanted to make sure. Yes. Okay.

45:51>> All right. That's all I wanted to make

45:53sure I was hearing it right, Miss Chair.

45:55>> So, which ones were knocked down? Which

45:57>> There are two directly in front of 16

45:59Kelly Square.

46:00>> Yeah.

46:01>> One right at the corner and then one

46:03closer towards the entrance for the

46:05expressway for the highway.

46:07>> Okay.

46:07>> Those have been knocked down since last

46:09winter.

46:09>> Those two, the two that you have marked

46:11here. Yes.

46:12>> Okay.

46:13>> We don't even have a street sign that

46:15says Milbury Street anymore either.

46:18>> Okay. Thank you.

46:20>> Thank you,

46:23>> Commissioner. I don't I don't know the

46:25the lighting format, so I'll I'll leave

46:29it up to you to to answer that. And then

46:32also if you could answer about the

46:35lights that have not been

46:38um

46:40replaced I guess would probably be the

46:41best term.

46:43>> Thank you Mr. Chairman. So I guess I'll

46:45touch on the lights first that have yet

46:47to be replaced. So those were knocked

46:49down in a vehicular uh collision.

46:53So uh that particular

46:57accident did not the motor vehicle

46:59operator did not have insurance. So

47:01therefore, the city's insurance uh

47:06claim or accident uh

47:10losing the word right now, but

47:11essentially we have an accident. I'm not

47:12going to say reconstruction, but

47:13accident we can go through and get the

47:14money from the insurance companies when

47:16they hit something like this. Once we

47:17have an a scenario where the driver is

47:19uninsured, it becomes more difficult.

47:21Accident recovery. Thank you. So um

47:24[clears throat] the accident recovery on

47:26this becomes a bit complicated as we

47:28cannot go after an insurance company.

47:29and then if the city were to install the

47:31light on its own, we would lose any

47:33right to financial compensation for it.

47:36So, this is an unfortunate situation

47:38where we're trying to do uh best by the

47:40taxpayer to get the light back up, but

47:42also not take a financial loss on doing

47:45such. Um, but we are aware and working

47:48with our recovery specialists to get

47:49this back up. Um, when it comes to the

47:52remainder of the lights in the area, the

47:55area is fairly well lit.

47:59Um speaking on uh La Martine to Vernon

48:04Street, there are three lights with a

48:06maximum separation of about 75 ft. Um

48:10which our team found to be adequate to

48:13provide light in that section of the

48:15street at night. Um so we are not

48:17recommending any adjustments on that

48:19block. However, the two street lights on

48:22Vernon Street in front of Hotel Vernon

48:24that were knocked down last winter are

48:25being pursued for replacement.

48:28Okay,

48:29>> I object.

48:30>> Hang on. Yeah. Yeah. So, is the light

48:34that you want on

48:37um Milbury Street is that light is it?

48:41Do you want that light there? Because

48:43you don't want the people hanging around

48:44down there.

48:45>> It doesn't matter who hangs around

48:46there. I want to feel safe walking

48:49outside my building.

48:50>> Okay.

48:51>> There are two bars. The bar obviously I

48:53live above and then electric haze. There

48:56is numerous amounts of extracurricular

48:59activities, per se, outside.

49:02I want to be able to go out to a car,

49:06get in it, and drive away. I want to be

49:08able to adequately walk to the store and

49:10feel safe enough to do so. The lights

49:13are not adequate. You can come to my

49:17house and look out the window at 8 9:00

49:20and see how dim it really is. It's not

49:24adequate at all.

49:26>> Thank you.

49:26>> There is between 75 to 80 individuals

49:31who are 65 and older that also live in

49:34that block and a half radius who it's

49:37also unsafe for and 25 of them live in

49:40my building.

49:41>> Okay. Thank you. You had something you

49:45wanted to add, sir?

49:45>> Yeah.

49:46>> Just your name and city of residence,

49:48please.

49:49>> In the microphones. In the microphone. I

49:51live in 16 Kelly Square, too.

49:52>> Okay.

49:53>> So, I've been in contact with Oha. I

49:54have him on my text. We've been asking

49:56for this light, him to clean up, to fix

49:58lights.

49:59>> No response. He never gives. What the

50:02problem is is that we're trying to get

50:04the light fixed. I have all the

50:06developers in the city that want to try

50:08to help. But the problem that's going on

50:10in the city right now is we have the

50:12canal district and we have Green Island

50:14Boulevard. Neither one of them want to

50:16work together to try to help and get us

50:18some lights. Adam Fletcher. We talked to

50:20Adam Fletcher. He was supposed to be

50:21here. We told him about the lights. He's

50:24like, "We need to get the lights, but

50:25he's obviously not here." She's been

50:27asking for Oh, for this forever.

50:29>> Okay.

50:30>> So, I just saved her at the golf

50:31station. I literally had a fight with a

50:34person because he went after her.

50:37>> Yeah.

50:37>> So, where it's at is basically like this

50:39drug deal. I'm from Main South and I'm

50:4217 years in prison.

50:44>> True.

50:44>> And I know what's bad and it's horrible

50:46there. She's asking because she she has

50:49problems with herself and she obviously

50:52needs that done and she's asking you

50:53guys, right?

50:55>> Thank you.

50:56>> Thank you. I appreciate it. Um, so

50:59what's your what's what's the city's

51:03when you're looking at street lights,

51:06>> how do you work to position them

51:09>> through the chair? We try to position

51:11street lights. [sighs] Um, and it

51:13differs, right? Because this is a tight

51:15area. Um, and when you start to get out

51:17along Salisbury Street and you get

51:19towards Holden, that's a totally

51:20different type area. But in an area

51:24that's tight like this in the middle of

51:25the city, about a 100 foot spacing on

51:28street lights maximum is what we go for.

51:30Um, and then these are tighter than

51:31that. So, um, and looking through the

51:34area, right? So, um, just going through

51:39from, you know, Hotel Vernon down to I

51:42guess it would be like Speedway, right?

51:43If you're going down that way, there's

51:44there's lights at every corner. There

51:47are multiple headlights, so the lights

51:48both shine on the sidewalk and the road.

51:51>> Um it's one of the more lit areas in

51:55that part of the city. Um that being

51:57said, there were the two knockdowns that

51:59do need to be replaced. Um so those

52:01>> are being addressed as they should. But

52:03when it comes to lighting, um you know,

52:07I've been sitting here clicking around

52:08just to make sure I'm aware of where

52:10everything is. And it's I mean, we're I

52:13would call this very well lit. Um, in

52:15this particular area, for example, both

52:18sides of a crosswalk often have a light

52:20and that's not something that's typical.

52:22Typical will light one side or the other

52:23unless it's a major

52:24>> Y

52:25>> road. So, you know, in my opinion and

52:28the opinion of our lighting team, this

52:29is a very well lit area aside the two

52:31lights that need to be replaced.

52:33>> Very good.

52:35uh Fred Nathan. Again, I wasn't going to

52:37throw my two cents in, but I just want

52:39clarification so everyone fully

52:41understands.

52:43Obviously, there was an accident there.

52:45A car hit the pole. So the way I know

52:49he's a deputy commissioner, but his

52:52explanation was uh please correct me if

52:55I'm wrong that because

52:58uh the driver who hit the pole did not

53:01have insurance on on their said vehicle

53:06that because of that uh that the city

53:09cannot then step forward and fix it

53:13because it would hurt their case against

53:15this driver. Did I understand that

53:17correctly?

53:17>> It would am I making stuff up?

53:19>> Hang on.

53:20>> It would remove our ability to seek

53:22financial compensation should we just

53:24essentially move forward. So

53:25>> So uh just to cla you know through the

53:29chair here

53:31that well what happens if it takes 5

53:34years to have that fixed. So, these

53:36people are supposed to go without proper

53:38lighting for however long period of time

53:41cuz, you know, let's face it, stuff can

53:43drag on and drag on and drag on. I mean,

53:47there are counselors here that have been

53:49waiting for uh sidewalks to be fixed

53:51probably for 10 years.

53:53>> Yep. So, just so everyone's clear.

53:57>> Thank you.

53:58>> You're welcome.

54:00>> So, what is your timeline? What's the

54:02plan for the two on Kelly Square

54:04>> through the chair? We're going to

54:05continue to seek accident recovery on

54:07those. Um, candidly, we do not have

54:10funds in our street light budget to go

54:12through and put every light back up that

54:14gets knocked down that we don't get

54:16accident recovery money for. So, if we

54:17started doing that here, then our street

54:20light budget's going to go kapoof pretty

54:21quickly.

54:22>> Um, so I hear what everyone's saying and

54:25we're equally frustrated by this

54:27process, but unfortunately our hands are

54:29tied financially because otherwise it

54:31would leave us in a really bad spot.

54:33>> Okay. Any other further comments from me

54:36there you council me?

54:39>> Yes. Uh Mr. Through you to the deputy

54:42[clears throat] commissioner that what

54:44is the cost we're looking at if the city

54:46does the improvement here

54:51>> through the chair. Um, so we're going to

54:55be looking at approximately

54:58$20,000 at least uh for those two lights

55:01>> for street light for street lights.

55:04>> Yes. So those are decorative street

55:05lights and then we'd also have to get

55:07into the ballast and do underground work

55:09and the like. So um unfortunately it's

55:11not the typical street light project

55:14where we talk about here where we're

55:15often just putting a an arm and a light

55:19on an existing pole. um those are and

55:22then tapping off the electricity there

55:23those are very easy this is an entirely

55:25different type of project and

55:27unfortunately that light pole is not

55:29cheap

55:33through you to the assistant

55:35commissioner again that uh

55:38[clears throat]

55:39I think

55:41doesn't city have any kind of insurance

55:43for this kind of situation that uh they

55:46will come and cover for this

55:48>> uh through the chair we do not this is

55:50The process the city uses is this

55:52accident recovery process.

55:57>> Mr. Chair, I think we should probably

55:59try to see if we can get it get a report

56:02on this on a situation like this how we

56:04can handle it because this is

56:05unfortunate to see that the residents

56:08will have to live in the dark because of

56:11someone who hid it and didn't have the

56:13insurance and we're saying that we don't

56:15have the ability to fix it and not

56:17caring for the resident. So I think we

56:20do have to have some kind of alternate

56:23process to make sure that our residents

56:26are safe and protected. So I feel a

56:30little bit uh

56:32you know not very comfortable saying

56:34that. So if we can put some kind of

56:37management chairman's order

56:39>> asking for

56:42uh what the city's process is for street

56:47light replacement

56:49whether it's been in an accident or

56:52damage to a degree all aspects of a

56:55street light when they are needed to be

56:58replaced if we can get that as a

57:00chairman's order.

57:02>> Thank you Mr. Chairman receipts.

57:06Go ahead. Um,

57:10Mr. Clerk.

57:11>> Oh, I was just saying thank thank you,

57:12Mr. Chairman. I I have the chairman's

57:14order.

57:15>> And then, um, on item E6E, I'm going to

57:18hold that till we get more further

57:21information. on item 6F.

57:24Um if they are already in

57:29better spacing than most, um the motion

57:32be to recommend leave to withdraw.

57:36And do we have does this committee have

57:38the ability, Mr. Clerk,

57:42to advocate for further uh police

57:46enforcement in that area?

57:48>> Absolutely, Mr. Chairman. That's no

57:49problem because it will ultimately go to

57:51the council for final approval

57:53regardless. So,

57:54>> so that would be um a chairman's order

57:57because everything the petitioner

57:58mentioned would certainly benefit from

58:02further uh

58:05police attention and even from the

58:08quality of life team as well.

58:10>> Thank you.

58:12So, uh, item F would be to recommend

58:18leave to withdraw

58:20and item E would be to hold.

58:23Roll call.

58:25>> Councilors Solo,

58:27>> yes.

58:28>> Mitra,

58:29>> yes.

58:29>> And chairperson, councelor econom.

58:31>> Yes.

58:33So just so you understand what we did,

58:38>> we asked for a report as to how the city

58:41handles its lighting. Okay.

58:42>> Okay.

58:43>> So you know exactly how they handle it.

58:47The two lights that have been knocked

58:48down by accident. We're just that'll be

58:51part of that report. How do we go about

58:53replacing them? Okay.

58:55>> Okay. Item F where the lighting already

58:58on the street is in better than

59:03recommended

59:05spacing.

59:07Um we leave to withdraw. So we rejected

59:11that in essence.

59:12>> Okay. Is there

59:13>> Okay.

59:14>> But what we did do is we asked for

59:17further

59:19uh police enforcement in that area. I've

59:22also been requesting that too

59:23>> as well as additional work from the

59:26quality of life team.

59:28>> Yes.

59:28>> Okay. To help with because a lot of the

59:31issues that you brought forward,

59:33lighting, yes, may help, but it's

59:37indicative of a different problem.

59:39>> Absolutely. I agree. I agree.

59:40>> So, we put that forward for you. Now,

59:43will I be notified when it goes above

59:45before the council again or

59:47>> So, these will this will go to the um

59:50these will go to the council once the

59:52report comes forward. It'll be on the

59:53council agenda.

59:54>> Okay. How long does that something like

59:56that usually take roughly?

59:59Honestly,

1:00:00>> commissioners

1:00:05>> uh through the chair uh I don't see this

1:00:07uh hitting the first meeting in October,

1:00:10but perhaps the second meeting.

1:00:11>> Okay. Okay. So about a month.

1:00:13>> Okay. And will I get a email or should I

1:00:16just check in?

1:00:17>> You probably won't get an email. Uh but

1:00:20if you follow the agendas as we get into

1:00:22October

1:00:23>> it'll be it'll be there and it'll pro

1:00:25would that be in the manager's calendar.

1:00:29>> Okay.

1:00:29>> So we have manager's calendar one week,

1:00:31city council calendar the next week.

1:00:33>> Awesome. Thank you so much. I appreciate

1:00:35it.

1:00:35>> And Mr. Chairman, I'll also jump in and

1:00:37just say too that because um the first

1:00:40item uh 6E was held, you will als you

1:00:44will get a notice again when 6E is heard

1:00:46again and I'm sure that it will come up

1:00:49the same time the committee hears that

1:00:50report as well. So um you will get

1:00:53notice for that particular item.

1:00:55>> Okay. Thank you very much.

1:00:57>> Thank you. Thanks for coming down.

1:01:01>> All right, sir. Which one are you on

1:01:03here for?

1:01:06All right.

1:01:08>> Yeah. Very good. Uh, hang on one second

1:01:11here. We're going to skip down to 7E.

1:01:14Uh, 7C.

1:01:20Uh, petition of David David F. Dick Jr.

1:01:24request walking path to Thornike Road

1:01:26School from Lindale Road, Culdeac to the

1:01:29southwest corner of Thornike Street

1:01:31School be repaired.

1:01:34Is that you got it? Yeah.

1:01:37>> Uh David Dick, 39 Thornike Road,

1:01:40Worcester. Uh Thornike Road is across

1:01:43the street from my where I live. And

1:01:46this is just a short section that I'm

1:01:49asking for. There's an ash tree that is

1:01:53chaining. What it's doing is its roots

1:01:55are chaining itself and the sidewalk.

1:01:59That's what it's referred to as it

1:02:00starts to buckle. The total length of

1:02:03the sidewalk is, [snorts] you know,

1:02:05probably 50 60 feet. What's really bad

1:02:08is maybe about 20 feet. That's all.

1:02:11However, the tree is probably uh two

1:02:13feet in diameter leaning towards the

1:02:16south. Yes. Through the chair at the

1:02:18commissioner. Uh, I could see your face

1:02:21thinking like it's not going to be an

1:02:23easy job because if you come in with a

1:02:25backhoe and cut those roots in a heavy

1:02:28windstorm, that tree is going to

1:02:30probably go over. So, it might require

1:02:33having to take down that asht tree. Um,

1:02:36which I think if I looked at it last

1:02:38night is um it's at the bottom of the

1:02:41walkway. It's just that it's a cut

1:02:42through for kids. It's been there for

1:02:44years. People come up from the high

1:02:46school, cut through Lindale, through the

1:02:49circle, and then into the Thornike Road

1:02:51area. Um, the total area that needs to

1:02:55be taken care of is only about 20 ft

1:02:58long. And if you can find it on your

1:03:00computer, you'll see what I'm talking

1:03:02about. It's just that the sidewalk has

1:03:04been really, you know, buckled. And even

1:03:07the custodians can't get their

1:03:09snowblowers through there anymore

1:03:10without breaking shear pins uh off the

1:03:14augers.

1:03:17>> Thank you.

1:03:18>> Thank you,

1:03:22>> Commissioner.

1:03:23>> Thank you. So, uh through the chair, um

1:03:26DPW would uh be very happy to assist

1:03:30with this. However, I have to report

1:03:33that the sidewalk is actually on school

1:03:35property.

1:03:36>> School propert.

1:03:37>> So, this is an item for the school

1:03:38department. Um,

1:03:41as I said, we are we stand ready to

1:03:43assist them with that should they

1:03:44request our help with design,

1:03:47construction, anything of the like,

1:03:48that's where we're ready to do that. Um,

1:03:50but this particular item isn't one that

1:03:53is handled primarily through us with our

1:03:56budget or anything of that like. Um so

1:03:59this would have to be I assume referred

1:04:01to um school committee or something

1:04:04along those lines.

1:04:05>> Mr. Clerk, how does this work? How does

1:04:06that work?

1:04:07>> Mr. Chairman, uh if that is the case,

1:04:09then the committee could make a

1:04:11recommendation to refer to school

1:04:12committee. Um at which time we could

1:04:15vote for that at the next council

1:04:16meeting and then immediately notify the

1:04:19school committee clerk of the request.

1:04:23>> Okay.

1:04:27through the chair. Yes.

1:04:28>> That seems very contradictory as to what

1:04:31I've been told in the past about the

1:04:33grounds at the school when I've

1:04:37complained about shrubs and things like

1:04:39that that are blocking fire exit door

1:04:41fire exit doors. It's not a school

1:04:45facility problem but a city problem in

1:04:49which case the city has gone in.

1:04:52Mr. Commissioner,

1:04:54>> do you are you aware of that?

1:04:55>> I'm diving directly to you. I'm telling

1:04:58you that I've been told that yes, this

1:05:01is

1:05:01>> just through the through the through the

1:05:03chair, but this is a city property and

1:05:07I've asked for it to be taken care of

1:05:10and I was always told that it's not a

1:05:12school property. I mean, it's not a a

1:05:14school issue. It's a city issue and

1:05:16that's why I sent it through as a

1:05:19petition to the city council.

1:05:22I didn't know that it was supposed to be

1:05:25a a school issue because in the past

1:05:27when I've asked for school issues or

1:05:30what I thought were school issues, I was

1:05:32told they were city issues. Oh, no,

1:05:34that's not ours. It's a school issue.

1:05:36Oh, no, that's not ours. It's a city

1:05:38issue. Okay.

1:05:39>> I just want clarification.

1:05:41>> So, that's what I'm going to do.

1:05:41>> Who's is it?

1:05:42>> I'm going to clarify it for you. I'm

1:05:44going to um number one, I'm going to um

1:05:49Do you guys have any Do you have

1:05:50anything on this? So, I'm going to what

1:05:53I'm going to do is I'm going to uh refer

1:05:56this to the school,

1:05:58Mr. Clerk, if we can refer this to the

1:06:00school department just to make sure it's

1:06:02there. Okay. I'm going to make the

1:06:06motion to hold this here

1:06:09and then um if we can get a chairman's

1:06:13order to get

1:06:15uh a report from the city solicitor

1:06:19as to the responsibility

1:06:22of the grounds as it pertains to this

1:06:26sidewalk.

1:06:28um who's responsible for it, whether

1:06:30it's city or school department, because

1:06:33I just ran into a situation at McGrath

1:06:36Elementary School where the city was

1:06:38responsible for the potholes in the

1:06:40street and the school department was

1:06:43responsible for the potholes in the long

1:06:46driveway leading up. So, that's all I I

1:06:50think that would just help the

1:06:51situation, but I don't want to hold it

1:06:54up from not going to the school

1:06:55department.

1:06:57Um if that's the case

1:07:00>> um to the chair to Mr. Dick uh if it

1:07:06comes out to be clarified that it is a

1:07:09school department's you know item to be

1:07:12handled you're okay with that for us to

1:07:15>> absolutely absolutely

1:07:16>> that's I don't want to I don't want to

1:07:18delay it to wait to hear so I'd rather

1:07:20do it right now while it's before us.

1:07:23>> Yeah.

1:07:23>> Thank you.

1:07:24>> Thank you very much everybody.

1:07:26Appreciate Thank you. Thanks for coming

1:07:27down.

1:07:28>> So the the motion would be to hold

1:07:32in this in this committee

1:07:35and then would be to refer this to the

1:07:38school department

1:07:41and then um would it be a chairman's

1:07:44order to get a determination from this

1:07:46the city solicitor?

1:07:49>> Mr. Clerk.

1:07:50>> Mr. Chairman, I think um what we could

1:07:52do is we'll do a chairman's order for

1:07:53the city solicitor report. perhaps a

1:07:56second chairman's order for um our

1:07:58office to provide the school committee

1:07:59clerk with a duplicate version of the

1:08:02request so that they can go through

1:08:03their process with their agenda. And

1:08:05then we'll just recommend that this be

1:08:07held um pending the report and then you

1:08:10can pick the item back up and if the

1:08:12school department is ultimately the one

1:08:14that's responsible for it then they will

1:08:15have gotten a duplicate of the request

1:08:17so we can move it along as quickly as

1:08:19possible.

1:08:19>> Perfect. Thank you. Roll call.

1:08:22>> Councilors Fazolo.

1:08:24>> Yes. Metitra.

1:08:25>> Yes.

1:08:25>> And chairperson councelor econom.

1:08:27>> Yes. Thank you.

1:08:29>> Thank you.

1:08:31Uh what is is the who's online still?

1:08:35>> Is there somebody online?

1:08:36>> Mr. Chairman. Um

1:08:38>> I believe councelor Bada and then um

1:08:41someone with the names Mike and NFA, but

1:08:44I don't know which item they're here

1:08:45for.

1:08:47>> Okay. What item are you here, sir?

1:08:51Uh the two no uh no do not litter signs.

1:08:55>> Yes. Okay.

1:09:00>> Where are we here?

1:09:06So item

1:09:13which one? The one uh the one that I

1:09:15have on here for Junvo. I know you have

1:09:18yours on here. Where's Is there another

1:09:20one on here?

1:09:22>> Uh,

1:09:25I don't have the numbers, but I have the

1:09:27locations.

1:09:28>> So, I have I'm going to read you what's

1:09:30before us. Okay.

1:09:32>> Yep. Um, item 7D,

1:09:35petition of Jeffrey uh, Conland requests

1:09:38installation of no littering signage

1:09:42with associated fines on May Street in

1:09:45the vicinity of the Worcester dual

1:09:47language magnet

1:09:50rear magnet school rear parking lot.

1:09:54>> Yes. So that's one and then the other

1:09:57one is at the corner of Brandtwood Road

1:09:59and Manhattan Road.

1:10:00>> Okay.

1:10:02I wanted to clarify where I'm requesting

1:10:05the sign at the dual language school.

1:10:09>> It's uh I don't know if it would help,

1:10:12but I have a

1:10:14I have an aerial view here that I

1:10:16copied.

1:10:17>> I think we might have it here, too.

1:10:23>> So, the sign would be at at the rear of

1:10:26the parking lot

1:10:28at the school.

1:10:30>> Okay. I don't have it. No,

1:10:32>> there's two parking lots at the school

1:10:36and this would be the rear of the one

1:10:37where you enter on May Street and you go

1:10:40to the back of the parking lot

1:10:42>> and then you there's a wooded area

1:10:44there.

1:10:44>> Yeah. Were the fields there at one time?

1:10:47>> Is that where fields there at one time?

1:10:49>> There's a field also adjacent. There's

1:10:51an athletic field up the hill

1:10:53>> and then if you go straight to the back

1:10:56there's an area where the woods begins.

1:10:59Okay.

1:11:00>> And in the there's Japanese snotweed, if

1:11:04you know what that is. Yes.

1:11:06>> You can't get rid of it.

1:11:07>> So when it grows up every year, uh

1:11:10people throw their trash there because

1:11:13it hides under the weed.

1:11:14>> Sure.

1:11:15>> It's a perfect place. I I think it's

1:11:17mostly people come by at night. Maybe

1:11:19people uh underage drinkers, who knows?

1:11:23>> But they throw their trash there. So

1:11:25that's one place.

1:11:27>> Yeah. Then at the far end of the same

1:11:30parcel of land, which is also City of

1:11:32Worcester property, it's where uh

1:11:35Brandtwood Road and U Manhattan Road

1:11:40form a 90 degree angle.

1:11:43There's a lot there that is wooded

1:11:47between

1:11:49most of the areas got houses,

1:11:52but there's a wooded area where the

1:11:54corner is and also people throw their

1:11:57trash out the window there as they go

1:12:00by. And as one who has picked up the

1:12:02trash there, uh I'm guessing it's

1:12:06underage drinkers based on what I'm

1:12:09finding. Little nip uh bottles. bottles.

1:12:13>> Yeah.

1:12:14>> Okay.

1:12:15>> So, if we could get two no do not litter

1:12:19and maybe something that says there's a

1:12:21fine or something, maybe that would

1:12:22discourage people.

1:12:24>> We'll ask the powers that be right now.

1:12:29>> Commissioner,

1:12:30>> excuse me, through [clears throat] the

1:12:30chair. Just like with the uh the

1:12:32sidewalk matter that we just discussed,

1:12:35if the request is on school property,

1:12:38that request should go through the

1:12:39school department.

1:12:40>> Okay.

1:12:42I suspect it's on school property.

1:12:44>> Okay.

1:12:45>> I've been told in the past that at least

1:12:47the one behind the school is on school

1:12:51property.

1:12:51>> Sure.

1:12:52>> The one at the corner of Brandtwood and

1:12:55um

1:12:56>> Manhattan.

1:12:56>> Manhattan. That's questionable whether

1:13:00how far the city how far the school

1:13:02property goes and maybe where the cities

1:13:05begins. I don't know.

1:13:07>> Okay. So, I'm going to do the same thing

1:13:09here. Um,

1:13:12if we could do a chairman's order to

1:13:14make sure this goes to the school

1:13:17department.

1:13:18Uh, Mr. Clerk.

1:13:22Um, and then h how does the city view

1:13:25adding signage like that as well?

1:13:29>> Uh, through the chair. If the uh school

1:13:32department needed our assistance, we

1:13:34could certainly [clears throat] assist

1:13:36uh to some level, but that would be a

1:13:39discussion between the DPW and the

1:13:40school department if they needed our

1:13:42help.

1:13:42>> And this other location at Brandwood in

1:13:44Manhattan, if it's school, same thing.

1:13:46If it's school department, the school's

1:13:48got to deal with it.

1:13:49>> Right.

1:13:49>> Okay. Um

1:13:52so, um Mr. Clerk, if we can just make if

1:13:56we can get a determination

1:13:59um who would be the right authority to

1:14:02ask for this determination if it's

1:14:04school or city through the chair if I

1:14:07may. Uh

1:14:09Mr. Melo, do you have the ability to

1:14:11pull up the assessor's maps?

1:14:12>> Yes, I do, sir.

1:14:13>> Please,

1:14:14>> and just check that property uh near the

1:14:18intersection of Manhattan and uh

1:14:21Delwood.

1:14:22>> Brentwood.

1:14:24Thank you.

1:14:28>> Okay.

1:14:30>> What particularly about this area

1:14:32>> right at the corner? So, if you're going

1:14:33up Brandtwood,

1:14:36you're going to you get to the top of

1:14:37the hill, you take a right, right? When

1:14:39you go to take that right on the left

1:14:41hand side, there is a wooded area at the

1:14:45top of that hill.

1:14:46>> So, the wooded area to the south.

1:14:48>> Yes. So, that area is

1:14:50>> Is that correct, sir?

1:14:51>> Yes. And and just if it would help,

1:14:53there is a big yellow sign with a black

1:14:56arrow.

1:14:56>> Yeah.

1:14:57>> Pointing to the right there. So, I'm

1:14:59guessing the city probably put that that

1:15:01sign up.

1:15:02>> Yeah.

1:15:03>> Through the chair, the uh wooded area

1:15:05we're speaking about is property of the

1:15:06school department.

1:15:07>> Okay. Okay.

1:15:09>> Thank you.

1:15:10>> Thank you both. So, what I'm going to do

1:15:12is I'm just going to, as I said, I'm

1:15:13going to refer to the school department

1:15:15so so as not to waste time figuring it

1:15:18out. It'll go to the school department

1:15:20there. I'm going to hold it in committee

1:15:22here too just just in case it has to

1:15:24come it's not school property and then

1:15:27but right now from looking at the maps

1:15:29it's school property and they're the

1:15:31responsible party

1:15:32>> unfortunately that's the way

1:15:35>> city side school side

1:15:36>> oh when I was listening to the previous

1:15:38thing I said I think that's going to

1:15:42>> so if we can make a chairman's order on

1:15:44that petition um Mr. Clerk that would be

1:15:47appreciated

1:15:48>> absolutely Mr. Chairman.

1:15:50>> Roll call.

1:15:52>> Councilors Fizzolo.

1:15:53>> Yes.

1:15:54>> Metitra.

1:15:54>> Yes.

1:15:55>> And chair present. Councelor Econom.

1:15:57>> Yes. And in committee we'll just hold

1:15:59this just in case.

1:16:02>> Thank you.

1:16:02>> Roll call.

1:16:03>> Councilors Proso.

1:16:05>> Yes.

1:16:06>> Mitra.

1:16:07>> Yes.

1:16:07>> And chairperson. Councelor Economa.

1:16:09>> Yes.

1:16:10>> Thank you for coming down, sir.

1:16:11>> All right. Thank you. Appreciate it.

1:16:12>> You're welcome. As long as it gets done,

1:16:14that's the

1:16:16>> All right. Let's get

1:16:20the gentleman who's online. Do you any

1:16:24other

1:16:25>> Mr. Chairman? I can um send a request to

1:16:27have the person unmute.

1:16:29>> Sure, please.

1:16:36>> Good evening, councelor and members of

1:16:39the committee. Can you hear me?

1:16:40>> We can.

1:16:40>> Yep.

1:16:41>> Just your name and city of residence,

1:16:43please. Mike. Um,

1:16:46>> item 7G.

1:16:47>> I finally managed to change my name to

1:16:49be more descriptive. Apologize.

1:16:54>> Moravia,

1:16:57I believe.

1:16:57>> Okay, I got it right.

1:16:59>> Yep.

1:17:01>> Yeah. Our request is just for a sanitary

1:17:03sewer main extension on Stockton Street

1:17:05to serve our proposed two-unit

1:17:07residential development. We've worked uh

1:17:09closely closely with DPW engineering

1:17:12through this process. Our engineer

1:17:14revised the plans based on uh DPW

1:17:16requirements and DPW has uh reviewed the

1:17:19proposed extension. We've already

1:17:21received the draft of the street and

1:17:24utility agreement pending the required

1:17:26city approvals. The city extension will

1:17:29be constructed entirely at our expense

1:17:31in accordance to the city standards and

1:17:33subject to DPW inspection and

1:17:36acceptance. We're ready to move forward

1:17:38uh and respectively respectfully request

1:17:41the committee's uh favorable

1:17:42recommendation for the city to the city

1:17:44council.

1:17:47>> Okay.

1:17:48>> Thank you. Any further discussion on

1:17:52your end, Mr.

1:17:53>> Through the chair, uh as the applicant

1:17:55has stated, we've worked closely with

1:17:56them through this part of the process.

1:17:58Um DPW supports this uh in accordance

1:18:00with the plan submitted and at the

1:18:02applicant's expense.

1:18:04>> All right. Anybody against? Four.

1:18:08Motion will be to approve item 7G. Roll

1:18:11call.

1:18:12>> Councilors Fzola.

1:18:14>> Yes.

1:18:14>> Mitra.

1:18:15>> Yes.

1:18:16>> And chairperson. Councelor Economa.

1:18:17>> Yes. Thank you.

1:18:20All right. Councelor Balard is on the

1:18:21line, too. So, let's get his stuff off

1:18:23here, too.

1:18:27Um,

1:18:30item 6B,

1:18:32Council Robert A.

1:18:34requests installation of additional

1:18:35street lighting with a preference for

1:18:37pedestrian scale lighting on both sides

1:18:40of Lincoln Street between Norton Street

1:18:42and Harllo Street.

1:18:47>> Councelor Bada.

1:18:48>> Yeah, thank you, Mr. Chairman. Um, just

1:18:51was hoping to provide some additional

1:18:52lighting in this area of Lincoln Street.

1:18:54Uh, it gets pretty dark up there and

1:18:56there are some crosswalks that I think

1:18:58could benefit from some pedestrian

1:19:00lighting.

1:19:02Commissioners, thank you.

1:19:06>> Through the chair, uh, our team

1:19:08performed a night survey at this area

1:19:10and it was, uh, found that there was

1:19:14adequate lighting. Um, to delve into

1:19:17this a little bit more, there are 10

1:19:18street lights in the vicinity of this

1:19:20location with 95 watt heads. Um, so our

1:19:24team found that to be adequate.

1:19:26If it is the uh desire of the committee,

1:19:30we could uh increase the intensity of

1:19:33those lights to 130 watt Cobra heads,

1:19:35but that would run around $8,000.

1:19:42>> Okay. To what size? What size?

1:19:45>> 131.

1:19:46>> 130.

1:19:49>> Okay. So, um do you guys have any

1:19:53further questions?

1:19:55No. Okay. So, councel, in this area, um,

1:20:00as you heard, there's 10 lights in that

1:20:03stretch where they feel it's enough.

1:20:06Now, if you want to upgrade them, it's

1:20:09an $8,000 cost. And how would that work?

1:20:13Subject to funding.

1:20:14>> Yeah, through the chair.

1:20:16>> Correct. So, it's subject to funding.

1:20:19>> Does that work for you? No, I

1:20:21appreciate. Yeah, I just wanted to

1:20:22submit it and see what the, uh,

1:20:24assessment was. So, I appreciate DPW's

1:20:26assessment.

1:20:28>> Yeah. So, um,

1:20:31>> move to file it if you'd like, I guess.

1:20:32>> Yeah. So, we we're going to recommend

1:20:35leave to withdraw.

1:20:37All those in favor?

1:20:40Roll call?

1:20:41>> Councelor Sizzola?

1:20:43>> Yes.

1:20:43>> Mitra,

1:20:44>> yes.

1:20:44>> And chairperson, councelor Cona,

1:20:46>> yes. Councelor uh item 6E C sorry 6

1:20:51Council Robert Abelada requests

1:20:52installation of street lights on Wigwam

1:20:55Hill Drive. Councelor

1:20:57>> Yeah. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I some

1:20:58residents had reached out to me just

1:21:00explaining that there's there's no

1:21:01street lights up there and it's very

1:21:03dark.

1:21:05>> Commissioner

1:21:08through the chair, Wigwam Hill Drive is

1:21:10a private road. So that kind of leaves

1:21:13our hands tied as to

1:21:15>> what to do about the

1:21:16>> I would ask for a petition. Yeah. Does

1:21:17that because one one I believe one side

1:21:20of it it's odd because one side of the

1:21:22build the street is considered

1:21:23plantation. So the addresses are

1:21:26plantation street. It's a very weird

1:21:30and just one of the weird zoning things

1:21:32that happened in the city. But I I just

1:21:35from doornocking and campaigning like

1:21:37one side of Wigwam is is technic it's

1:21:40registered as plantation

1:21:43or the addresses are plantation street

1:21:44but I understand like physically Wigwam

1:21:46Hill Drive

1:21:48>> is a private road. Okay.

1:21:51>> Do you have a comment coun? No. Do you

1:21:53have a comment?

1:21:54>> Um

1:21:55>> yes.

1:21:58Okay. And for a question to the the DPW

1:22:02is,

1:22:04>> you know, this is quite a long street.

1:22:05Is there a limit or or would it be

1:22:08possible for us to explore some type of

1:22:10ordinance maybe limiting how large

1:22:13private streets we allow to be

1:22:15developed? Because again, they're being

1:22:16developed without proper infrastructure.

1:22:18Uh specifically in this neighborhood,

1:22:20there's a lot of private roads up here

1:22:22that really should not be there um that

1:22:24don't have proper infrastructure. So I

1:22:26was curious is there

1:22:28and I'll happy to do my own research but

1:22:30just wanted to float out of you to see

1:22:31what the what the DPW commissioner

1:22:33thought.

1:22:35>> Yeah. Through the chair um councelor

1:22:38please forgive me as this is kind of

1:22:40crossing

1:22:42uh a little bit of uh signals for me

1:22:44because it's kind of more in the

1:22:46planning and development world. Yeah. Um

1:22:49>> so let me ask you a question now.

1:22:51>> Yeah I'll reach out to planning. This is

1:22:52something I wanted to ask. Yeah, if I

1:22:54may, if I may ask too,

1:22:56>> we're not approving private streets. If

1:22:58if a plan comes to before you guys

1:23:03to put in a street or a development,

1:23:06it's going to be toward to become a

1:23:08public street or a private street. Like

1:23:10this here took place a while ago and

1:23:13it's one of those it's a like the

1:23:16council said, it's just a weird scenario

1:23:18this whole thing. Um,

1:23:21how was

1:23:23we're not doing anything like that

1:23:24anymore, are we?

1:23:26>> Through the chair. So, development of

1:23:28parcels, subdivisions is actually

1:23:30regulated by the planning board per

1:23:31state law. Um,

1:23:34>> as a matter of practice, DPW recommends

1:23:37against uh private ways um for a number

1:23:41of reasons. One, so we don't end up in

1:23:43situations like this or having to do

1:23:44private street conversions in the

1:23:45future. Two, maintenance issues. Right?

1:23:47these private streets fall to uh

1:23:49condominium associations which

1:23:50oftentimes don't exist in anything other

1:23:52than paper.

1:23:53>> Uh you know aside that if we were to

1:23:57have a street where the developer

1:23:59elected to leave it private because that

1:24:01is an option that they do have um we

1:24:04would in encourage and

1:24:08our compatriots over at planning board

1:24:10uh to have street lighting on the road.

1:24:12So they have been, you know, for

1:24:14example, I I there's a private

1:24:16development off Salisbury Street that

1:24:18DPW has been working on for a number of

1:24:19years. There's street lights throughout

1:24:21that development. So, uh, things have

1:24:24just kind of tightened up and something

1:24:25like this just wouldn't occur anymore.

1:24:28>> Okay.

1:24:29>> Thank you, Commissioner.

1:24:31>> So, the motion here is also recommend

1:24:34leave to withdraw.

1:24:37Roll call.

1:24:38>> Councilors Viso,

1:24:39>> yes.

1:24:40>> Metitra,

1:24:41>> yes. in chairperson councelor econom.

1:24:43>> Yes.

1:24:45Item um 7 six I council Robert Ailada

1:24:52requests installation of a street light

1:24:54in front of I'm going to take these

1:24:56collectively. Is that okay? Um councelor

1:24:59this uh in front of 82 Hamilton Street.

1:25:03Item J 6J. Council Robert Aada requests

1:25:07installation of a street light in front

1:25:08of 73 Hamilton Street.

1:25:11Thank you. I know there's some street

1:25:12lights in here that uh I think might

1:25:14have been out for some time, but I think

1:25:16even with seeing a lot of them back

1:25:17online now, I feel there's still a real

1:25:19need for additional lighting in this

1:25:21area. Considering how uh dense it is,

1:25:25you have a lot of businesses there. I

1:25:26was just emailing council for Zolo

1:25:28earlier today. We had another accident

1:25:30at the corner of uh Fairmont and

1:25:33Hamilton. And so there's a lot of

1:25:34activity in this area and I it would

1:25:36really be beneficial to have some

1:25:38additional lighting. I know further down

1:25:40the street you get the graph from the

1:25:41street. It's very well lit. I understand

1:25:42that that was a DOT project. Um but I

1:25:45think it would be very beneficial for

1:25:47safety of the neighborhood and traffic

1:25:49to have some additional lighting up

1:25:50here.

1:25:52>> How how close are these to each other

1:25:55counselor?

1:25:57>> Fair. Yeah, fair fairly close. And I

1:25:59think I think even you know addition of

1:26:01one I think if if you know would be

1:26:02helpful. Um,

1:26:06there. Let me I'm trying to pull up the

1:26:08map here.

1:26:10See if I can find

1:26:20Hamilton and Fairmont.

1:26:25So, there's one on like the western

1:26:27corner of Elmont and Hamilton. Um the

1:26:33address that I was looking at was a few

1:26:35houses east of that.

1:26:37>> Yep.

1:26:39So is there nothing at a in that

1:26:41vicinity

1:26:44>> there?

1:26:46Again there Yeah, there is one on the

1:26:47cornerside and Hamilton, but if you were

1:26:50to take a look here in the evening,

1:26:51especially on the opposite side of

1:26:52Hamilton Street, it's it's pretty dark.

1:26:55Um I know that you see street lights

1:26:57there. I don't know if it would be

1:26:58possible to maybe upgrade them to LED

1:27:00that might provide more lighting, but I

1:27:02believe they are anyway. Excuse me. Um,

1:27:04but again, just it it gets pretty dark

1:27:06up here in the evening.

1:27:07>> Okay. So, is this something that we can

1:27:10increase

1:27:11the the wattage?

1:27:14Is that something that's doable here to

1:27:17help? [clears throat]

1:27:20Sorry about that, gentlemen. Through the

1:27:21chair. Um it does not seem as if the

1:27:24wattage could be increased on these

1:27:26lights as it wasn't a recommended

1:27:28uh alternative um as to comment on the

1:27:32uh distance between lights because

1:27:33that's often important to take a look

1:27:36at. Um I'm sorry one moment here. Uh the

1:27:40approximate distance in between the

1:27:42lights on Hamilton Street in this area

1:27:45is about

1:27:48175 feet give or take. Um, so,

1:27:52uh, we could look to increase lighting

1:27:55in the area. Um, I would defer back to

1:27:58our lighting team though as they found

1:28:00there to be sufficient lighting. So, I

1:28:01would have to, you know, we'd have to go

1:28:03back and perform an, you know, a

1:28:05secondary investigation at this point.

1:28:08>> Okay. So,

1:28:10um,

1:28:14so on on on one of these I'm I'm going

1:28:16to leave to withdraw

1:28:19and then on the other one, uh,

1:28:23the motion would be to try to improve

1:28:25the street the street lighting in the

1:28:28vicinity of Elmont

1:28:30and

1:28:32Fairmont.

1:28:35Can I do that?

1:28:38Mr. Clerk,

1:28:39>> Mr. Chairman, so are you trying to have

1:28:41a separate chairman's order for the

1:28:42review?

1:28:43>> Yeah. For

1:28:44>> I would probably hold both of them.

1:28:46Okay.

1:28:47>> Only because once the We could do the

1:28:49chairman's order, hold both and then

1:28:51bring it back once the review's been

1:28:53completed and they'll tell us which um

1:28:56of the petitions is more appropriate to

1:28:58approve.

1:28:58>> Okay. So, that's what we'll do. Is that

1:29:00all right, counselor?

1:29:02>> Thank you. Yeah, I appreciate it.

1:29:04Appreciate the the insight. The only

1:29:06other item that's not related, not mine,

1:29:08but 5A, councelor Colorio had requested

1:29:11installation of a guardrail on the

1:29:13Jonathan Circle side of 381 Hamilton

1:29:15Street. That building was hit by a car

1:29:17uh earlier this year or last year. Um

1:29:20took out the whole front porch. So, I

1:29:22just wanted to support that that

1:29:24petition.

1:29:26>> Okay.

1:29:27Very good. Um

1:29:28>> Mr. Chairman,

1:29:30>> yeah, go ahead.

1:29:32>> Council Bot, are you all set right now?

1:29:34Can I?

1:29:35>> Yes. Thank you.

1:29:35>> Okay. Uh, Mr. Chair,

1:29:37>> are you going on a different subject?

1:29:38What?

1:29:39>> 5B.

1:29:40>> Okay. Before we get to 5B,

1:29:42>> that's what he was talking about.

1:29:43>> Yeah.

1:29:43>> Okay.

1:29:44>> I got to wrap up I and J first.

1:29:47>> So, 6 I 6J. Motion to hold. Roll call.

1:29:52>> Councilors Fizzo.

1:29:54>> Yes. Metitra.

1:29:55>> Yes.

1:29:55>> And chairperson. Councelor Econom.

1:29:57>> Yes. And then um

1:30:00chairman's order to look at to ask DPW

1:30:05to look at um installing

1:30:09the opportunity to install another

1:30:11another light fixture in the vicinity of

1:30:13Almont and Fairmont A. Roll call.

1:30:18>> Councilors Fizzo.

1:30:19>> Yes.

1:30:19>> Metitra.

1:30:21>> Yes.

1:30:21>> And chairperson. Councelor Econom.

1:30:23>> Yes.

1:30:24>> Mr. Chairman.

1:30:25>> Yes. If I may, I'm hearing, excuse

1:30:28[clears throat] me, a lot of requests

1:30:29tonight, which are

1:30:31>> valid requests for either increasing

1:30:34light intensity or adding lights. Uh the

1:30:38DPW simply doesn't get a large budget

1:30:40for light maintenance or installation.

1:30:43So, uh the request I would hate to have

1:30:46uh requests approved by this committee

1:30:49uh that go like uh street lists for

1:30:52resurfacing. So,

1:30:54>> y

1:30:54>> um I would caution either to uh be very

1:30:58limited in what we approve or uh seek uh

1:31:03additional funds as we look at our next

1:31:05year's budget.

1:31:06>> Understood.

1:31:07>> I think what's important though for the

1:31:08people to understand too is that we

1:31:11can't just put a light everywhere,

1:31:12right?

1:31:13But the process I think is important for

1:31:16people to understand too that there is

1:31:19there is a process you know whether it's

1:31:21every a light every 75 ft every 100 ft

1:31:24that is deemed adequate. So I think in

1:31:27some of these situations I think it's

1:31:29important to bring that process forward

1:31:32to see if a light could be installed if

1:31:35it's needed. So hopefully when you guys

1:31:38talk to your light your light people

1:31:41they will have um more details on it as

1:31:44to what what we can and cannot do.

1:31:47>> So I appreciate I appreciate the input.

1:31:49Thank you.

1:31:51All right. Uh item 5B guardrail

1:31:54petition. Council Don M. Color request

1:31:56installation of a guardrail on the

1:31:58Johnson Circle side of 381 Hamilton

1:32:01Street. Councelor Frisola had something

1:32:04on this. [clears throat]

1:32:05>> Mr. Chairman, through you um Council

1:32:08Bulada's district, uh he has one side of

1:32:11Hamilton Street, I have the other. Uh I

1:32:13have happened to be notified by the

1:32:16owner of that property who's lived there

1:32:18his entire life. Uh a car did come

1:32:21through uh his front porch and did uh a

1:32:26huge amount of damage to his property.

1:32:29So he was looking for a guardrail. I had

1:32:32talked I don't want to uh uh say

1:32:35anything before uh our assistant

1:32:37commissioner but we did speak earlier

1:32:40about [snorts] it because the uh

1:32:43recommendation is leave to withdraw and

1:32:46uh I had spoke to him about

1:32:50um are they bullets they call bullards

1:32:53uh there and uh I won't again I won't

1:32:57speak for the uh commissioner assistant

1:32:59commissioner Millow

1:33:01uh he did say that could be a

1:33:02possibility, but um traffic and mobility

1:33:06uh would like to look at that design of

1:33:08that area and of course that's going to

1:33:11be a long time before that happens. Mr.

1:33:14chairman. So I would like this committee

1:33:17to if possible is to recommend that we

1:33:21put bullets there uh two or three

1:33:23bullets there in front of his property

1:33:25instead of uh having nothing there until

1:33:28uh a study is done and then money is uh

1:33:32obviously um secured to do something

1:33:35like that. That's going that's going to

1:33:37be a long while. So that's where I come

1:33:39from that uh this perspective Mr. Mr.

1:33:42chairman through through you.

1:33:43>> Okay. Thank you, [clears throat]

1:33:46>> sir.

1:33:48Uh Fred Nathan Worster up here for I

1:33:50don't know how many times I've been up

1:33:51here. I do happen to know the person

1:33:54there on Hamilton Street if not for that

1:33:57porch structure being there. That car

1:34:00would have went right through that

1:34:02person's living room window.

1:34:04So, I will speak and just say uh that

1:34:08whatever the city can do on behalf of

1:34:11that person is greatly appreciated

1:34:14because I don't think they want I I

1:34:16don't think they want the house to get

1:34:17hit again because it's actually been hit

1:34:19more than once. Uh but that was the most

1:34:23uh damage that's ever been done. But I

1:34:25just want to make you aware of

1:34:26something.

1:34:28Uh when you go to make like a U-turn

1:34:31right there, know you're going on

1:34:33Hamilton Street and you make that little

1:34:36U-turn. Now you can see obviously quite

1:34:39far ahead.

1:34:41But if you happen to have somebody come

1:34:42out coming by and speeding

1:34:46as they're going into the turn, you've

1:34:48only got so much time if someone comes

1:34:51speeding. Uh, by the time you make that

1:34:53turn, unless you got a really fast car,

1:34:57no, you might be clear and then all of a

1:34:59sudden you make that turn, by the time

1:35:01you're probably halfway through the

1:35:02turn, there's already somebody that's

1:35:04like maybe 50 feet from you or less and

1:35:08and closing very fancy. I mean, let's

1:35:10face it, uh, you have a speed limit.

1:35:13That is what it is. But not everybody

1:35:15follows a speed limit.

1:35:18But I I just want to make another little

1:35:20comment here uh through you the chair to

1:35:22the assistant here. And I just want to

1:35:25know something. Is there anything that

1:35:28this committee can do to maybe change a

1:35:32law or anything else that when someone

1:35:36who is uninsured hits a a street pole,

1:35:40you know, the light, is there anything

1:35:42that they can do to change any kind of

1:35:45laws so that someone hypothetically

1:35:50uh won't have to wait years and years

1:35:52and years? Because let's face it, I'm

1:35:54sure there are people that hit polls and

1:35:58I don't I don't even know what the

1:36:00number was. I I don't know how many it

1:36:02is, but I'm sure you have this

1:36:03information.

1:36:05>> Well, if I may interject, once we get

1:36:08that report back

1:36:08>> Oh, I understand that.

1:36:10>> But that once we get the report back,

1:36:12we'll understand and then we can take

1:36:14the

1:36:14>> I just wanted to jump back to that. So,

1:36:16>> no, I understand. But once we get that

1:36:18report back from them on how it all

1:36:21works, then we can if there's something

1:36:23that needs to be changed or further

1:36:26investigated even through the law

1:36:27department, uh we can do so. Uh just a

1:36:31curious question

1:36:33uh through the chair. If you can request

1:36:36a report, how many street lights are

1:36:38down uh because that the cars or trucks

1:36:42that have hit these street lights are

1:36:46uninsured.

1:36:47If the city had had an idea what kind of

1:36:50liability

1:36:52>> Yeah, we could kind of do

1:36:55>> I got to work on this item that in front

1:36:57of us.

1:36:58>> All right. I just wanted to just, you

1:36:58know, throw my three cents in.

1:37:00>> I appreciate it.

1:37:01>> Thank you, Mr. Chair.

1:37:01>> I appreciate it.

1:37:02>> Anytime.

1:37:04>> So, are ballards an option there in that

1:37:06location

1:37:08[cough and clears throat]

1:37:09>> through the chair? So

1:37:14when we put in things like as an

1:37:16engineering community, ballards or guard

1:37:19rails or any of these things like this,

1:37:22we have to weigh whether or not they're

1:37:25going to become fatal. Um because that's

1:37:29a big part of this, right? So

1:37:32in the engineering community, as we put

1:37:33in safety controls,

1:37:36the last thing we want them to do is

1:37:38become deadly.

1:37:40Right. Um so in this particular

1:37:43circumstance it's my understanding that

1:37:45this accident the person was driving

1:37:49extremely fast.

1:37:51Um

1:37:53at that rate the standard Ballard

1:37:56installation we have may not have done

1:37:58anything frankly at all. Um you would

1:38:00most likely need something like a

1:38:03high-speed ballard that uh get installed

1:38:06around like courouses and things like

1:38:07that. Um,

1:38:10>> so,

1:38:10>> so I have a lot of sympathy for what

1:38:12went on here. Um, but

1:38:16I would be really hesitant to put

1:38:19Ballards there because of my concern for

1:38:23it becoming a something that could cause

1:38:26a fatality. Um, additionally, um,

1:38:30throughout the city, just due to the

1:38:31nature of development here, there is

1:38:34thousands of similar properties. Yeah,

1:38:37we've looked at some on Belmont Street.

1:38:38I just looked at a few going up and down

1:38:40Hamilton Street and the possibility to

1:38:42Ballard all of those is it's just not

1:38:44feasible.

1:38:46>> No. So, I I I'm I've struggled with this

1:38:50one a bit because um that it's a

1:38:53high-speed area and the alignment of the

1:38:55road isn't great, but um I hate to sound

1:38:59like I'm trying to escape doing

1:39:01something there, but genu genuinely it

1:39:03feels like the best solution is to work

1:39:06on the alignment of the roadway.

1:39:09>> Um

1:39:10>> so, I'm I'm going to say this.

1:39:13I I appreciate what you're saying. It

1:39:16makes sense, but I also

1:39:20you talk about balllets causing death.

1:39:23These vehicles

1:39:26going into a house could do the same

1:39:28thing.

1:39:29>> Correct.

1:39:29>> Right. So, I'm of the opinion I I agree

1:39:34with Council Folo um in this case that

1:39:38something and if DTM is working on it,

1:39:41great. But like he said, it's going to

1:39:43take

1:39:45decades. Um, but it's just

1:39:50my guess is this. It's probably coming

1:39:52from the east, right? When they come up

1:39:54over that hill, they're probably flying

1:39:55right where it bends,

1:39:57>> right? And they lose it right there into

1:39:59the guy's house.

1:40:00>> Something's got to be better than

1:40:02nothing. And if we're not going to do a

1:40:04guardrail,

1:40:05at a minimum, two or three ballards,

1:40:09um, to break a fall, so to speak,

1:40:14um, I think would be beneficial for this

1:40:16gentleman or this this household.

1:40:20That's how I that's how I'm looking at

1:40:21it. Um, because

1:40:24like the gentleman said, if that porch

1:40:26wasn't there, that car would be in his

1:40:29living room.

1:40:36same as like we did on Belmont Street

1:40:38with that house right at the end right

1:40:40up by um

1:40:45Belmont Street School

1:40:48where we approve the ballards because of

1:40:50all the accidents that he's been

1:40:51experiencing there.

1:40:53>> Uh comm uh councelor I believe we

1:40:55actually withdrew on that one. I may be

1:40:56incorrect though because it was

1:40:57something similar. the ballards would

1:40:59have been located too close to the

1:41:00structure to provide any sort of

1:41:02>> were they

1:41:03>> I know we did it somewhere but

1:41:04>> so um that's

1:41:06>> but that's all that's what I would ask

1:41:07you to take into consideration

1:41:09>> we'll engineering will reinvestigate

1:41:14we typically like to install ballards in

1:41:16places again not to jump on the same um

1:41:20point where the speed of impact will be

1:41:23lower perhaps you know for a good

1:41:24example like the bottom of a hill where

1:41:26someone is coming in um they're probably

1:41:29trying to break. They've just lost their

1:41:30car on ice or something and they'll hit

1:41:32that ballard to 20 25. You start

1:41:36approaching speeds of 30 plus and the

1:41:38chance of a fatality goes up to about

1:41:4050%. Um so that's

1:41:45you know we these these type situations

1:41:47are the hardest um for engineers because

1:41:51uh we would not want to do something not

1:41:53acting and then something bad happen but

1:41:55we'd also want to do not act and then do

1:41:58something incorrect. So this is um you

1:42:01know a very difficult situation

1:42:03unfortunately that's why I've would

1:42:05choose to perform another engineering

1:42:07control here.

1:42:08>> Okay. Um, but as it's the uh seems to be

1:42:11the board's preference to do something

1:42:13there, I will you'll have to forgive me

1:42:16as I'll have to perform some level of

1:42:18research as to what the best approach

1:42:20here would be.

1:42:21>> Did you say you had it on?

1:42:24>> No.

1:42:26>> U Mr. Chairman, through you. Um, so

1:42:31a guardrail is not the answer and

1:42:33ballards are not the answer or I mean

1:42:36they're both as serious if if a car is

1:42:39at a high speed hit it u you know for

1:42:42the for the uh driver of the vehicle.

1:42:45>> Correct. So that's why what we would do

1:42:48uh as we would seek to do as engineering

1:42:50professionals in a situation like this

1:42:52is reduce the vehicle speed. Um because

1:42:55that's really what's the issue here. Um

1:42:58the road is might as well be a landing

1:43:01strip for a plane. It's huge. Um so by

1:43:04tightening curbs,

1:43:06putting in some sort of speed control,

1:43:08um you know, increasing enforcement, all

1:43:10those would be where we would try to

1:43:12lean first. Um,

1:43:15well, Mr. Chairman, I don't want to

1:43:17belleaguer it, but uh I am in favor of

1:43:20putting something there. Uh, so I don't

1:43:23know what the uh if you take this up for

1:43:26a vote, I'd vote obviously uh

1:43:29recommending to leave leave to a trial.

1:43:32I would vote against that, but uh if you

1:43:34wanted to create a chairman's order, I

1:43:36don't know, whatever you do, but I'd

1:43:38like to see something there. The man's

1:43:40lived there his whole life. He's had

1:43:42cars through the house. I understand the

1:43:44speed is an issue, but um for for him to

1:43:48have to wait uh for a study to be done

1:43:50and funding to be secured. Uh he's he's

1:43:54pushing 80 years old. So it's it's like

1:43:56we do nothing nothing's

1:43:59going to accommodate his his situation.

1:44:02Again, it's not even my district. Y

1:44:04>> but I know it well. while I'm on the

1:44:06other side uh of the of the area and of

1:44:09course council Bada was on the line. I'm

1:44:12not trying to um you know take any any

1:44:16uh uh issue with something outside my

1:44:19district but that's where I am. Thank

1:44:21you, Mr. Chairman.

1:44:23>> Thank you.

1:44:25Do you have something counselor?

1:44:27>> Yeah, Mr. Chairman through you. I agree

1:44:29with uh councelor

1:44:32Brazo that I think we need to protect

1:44:35this with something but uh

1:44:40I'll be I'd be willing to see that

1:44:42something is done because uh I have

1:44:45difficulty saying to leave to withdraw

1:44:47this item as well.

1:44:49>> Okay. Uh Mr. Clerk, do I have the

1:44:51ability to amend this?

1:44:54>> Mr. Chairman, you absolutely do. Yes.

1:44:56>> Okay. So, my amendment would be, if

1:44:59we're not going to do a guardrail, would

1:45:01be to amend this

1:45:03uh to read the installation of two to

1:45:06three ballards

1:45:12on the on the Jonathan Circle side of

1:45:14381 Hamilton Street.

1:45:19>> Absolutely, Mr. Chairman.

1:45:21>> Councilors Folo,

1:45:23>> just before that, thank you, Mr.

1:45:25Chairman. I appreciate you doing that.

1:45:27Uh, my vote is yes.

1:45:29>> Metitra,

1:45:31>> yes. And chairperson, councelor econom,

1:45:33>> yes.

1:45:36All right, let's go to the beginning

1:45:38here and let's get through this.

1:45:45Item 5A, Nishan P uh guardrail petition.

1:45:49Nishan Pepe Pepeasian

1:45:53requests installation of ballards at 8

1:45:55Old Milbury Street on the Arwork A side

1:45:58of the property in the grassy area

1:46:00around the sidewalk.

1:46:03Is there anybody online for this?

1:46:06>> Mr. Chairman, there is no one left

1:46:07online.

1:46:08>> Okay. Do you have something you want to

1:46:10say?

1:46:12>> No.

1:46:15>> Yeah. The

1:46:16>> Yeah. Commissioner,

1:46:18>> thank you. Through the chair, um we

1:46:21recommend adding this uh guardrail to

1:46:24the area. Um there is walking through

1:46:26there. And this is actually the type of

1:46:28vehicular movement that a guardrail

1:46:30would prevent against, right? So the

1:46:32cars are moving parallel to the

1:46:34guardrail. If the guard were to lose its

1:46:37uh pathway, it would hit the guard and

1:46:38they would push it back out traffic. So

1:46:41uh DPW supports this one. So the so this

1:46:45would need to get amended to request the

1:46:46installation of a guardrail at 8 Milbury

1:46:51Street on the artwork outside of the

1:46:53property in the grassy area around the

1:46:55sidewalk

1:46:56as amended. Roll call.

1:46:58>> Councilors Fizzola.

1:47:00>> Yes.

1:47:00>> Metra.

1:47:01>> Yes. And chair pressing. Councelor

1:47:02Econom.

1:47:03>> Yes. Street light petition. Sherry Rice

1:47:06requests street light in the vicinity of

1:47:0876 Copperfield Road to be re to be

1:47:11reviewed to ensure it does not shine in

1:47:13on a personal property.

1:47:16Is that something we can address on

1:47:18this?

1:47:18>> I'm sorry, one more, Mr. Chairman. Uh

1:47:216A, the petition of Sher Rice

1:47:25um 76 Copperfield Road um wants the

1:47:29street light

1:47:31uh reviewed [clears throat] to ensure it

1:47:32does not shine in on personal property.

1:47:35>> So what our street light team found was

1:47:37that the amount of spillage over here

1:47:40was nothing outside of what would be

1:47:42typical for a street light in a

1:47:44residential neighborhood. That being

1:47:46said, um if it is the desire of the

1:47:51homeowner to turn that light off, it is

1:47:52something that can be done. However,

1:47:55generally we don't turn lights off in

1:47:57the interest of public safety.

1:47:59>> Um so that's what uh where our opinion

1:48:02is.

1:48:02>> So it doesn't she's not asking for it to

1:48:04be turned off, but she is asking I don't

1:48:07know. Do they do you guys adjust the

1:48:09heads at all or the lighting or the way

1:48:11the light comes off the street light?

1:48:13>> Yep. Through the chair. That's already

1:48:14the lowest wattage on a light. And from

1:48:17what I understand, there's a baffle that

1:48:18can be put around the back of the light.

1:48:20And I believe one of those has already

1:48:21been installed as well.

1:48:22>> Okay.

1:48:25Do you guys know any more on this? Do

1:48:28you have anything more on this? No.

1:48:30Okay. So, basically what you're telling

1:48:32me that everything that can be done has

1:48:34been done.

1:48:35>> Correct.

1:48:36>> Okay. Motion would be recommend to

1:48:40withdraw. Roll call.

1:48:42>> Yes.

1:48:43Oh, I'm sorry.

1:48:43>> I'm sorry. Councilors Fizzola,

1:48:45>> yes.

1:48:46>> Metitra,

1:48:48>> yes.

1:48:48>> And chairperson, councelor econom.

1:48:50>> Yes.

1:48:56>> 6D. Councelor John P. Fzola on behalf of

1:48:59Richard Molinari requests installation

1:49:01of a street light in front of six

1:49:03woodcliffe a

1:49:07commissioner.

1:49:09through the chair. Our recommendation on

1:49:11this item is leave to withdraw. Uh we've

1:49:14discussed this and this might be the

1:49:16third or fourth time now. Um there's

1:49:17numerous lighting throughout that area.

1:49:19Um might be three or four polls within

1:49:23150 ft of both directions. We've

1:49:25performed several light surveys out

1:49:26here. We've found that the lighting is

1:49:28adequate. Um so our recommendation

1:49:29remains leave to withdraw.

1:49:32>> Council, anything you want to add?

1:49:37>> Mr. Mr. Chairman, I was contacted by the

1:49:39through you, Mr. Chairman. I was

1:49:41contacted by the uh petitioner that

1:49:44excuse me, the resident that I

1:49:46petitioned this for. He had told me that

1:49:49it was uh filed earlier.

1:49:52Obviously feels it's u an issue and uh

1:49:57that's why I filed the petition, but uh

1:50:00we'll take the vote, Mr. Chairman. Thank

1:50:03you.

1:50:03>> Sure. Okay. Motion would be to recommend

1:50:05leave to withdraw. Roll call.

1:50:07>> Councilors Fizzolo. No. Mitra,

1:50:11>> um, may I ask a question?

1:50:13>> Yes, you may. Go right ahead.

1:50:17>> So through you to the deputy commission,

1:50:19how how do we determine that there is an

1:50:22adequate light or not when the resident

1:50:24says it's not, but you say it is. So

1:50:26what's our factor of determination

1:50:30>> uh through the chair? So we use a few

1:50:31items. Uh, one, we light spacing. Uh

1:50:34two, we also look at the wattage on the

1:50:35lights. And then three, we actually

1:50:37perform a visual survey. So we have a

1:50:40number of individuals that are this is

1:50:43their job. They we call them specialists

1:50:44in the field. Um and they go out and

1:50:46they they're literally out there at

1:50:48night while we're all having dinner or

1:50:49sleeping walking around the street and

1:50:51and investigating the lighting levels.

1:50:53So

1:50:55um that's generally what's done. We

1:50:58follow kind of standard practice across

1:50:59the industry when it comes to lighting

1:51:01spacing. Um, you know, we can't light

1:51:05everything up uh to the point of being a

1:51:07Christmas tree because then we'll end up

1:51:08with a lot more petitions like the one

1:51:10we just have asking us to remove the

1:51:12lights. So, it's a balance of providing

1:51:14enough light so people feel uh the

1:51:17street is lit, but also not providing so

1:51:19much light so people feel like they're

1:51:20living within a football stadium.

1:51:22>> And you have seen that usually seen that

1:51:24there is enough light there or someone

1:51:26from your department has visual.

1:51:28>> Correct. one of the uh engineers from

1:51:30our department has been out. Every time

1:51:31we have one of these requests, we

1:51:33perform a light survey. So, we send an

1:51:35individual out at night

1:51:37>> um and they go and look and come back

1:51:38with notes that's discussed with their

1:51:40manager and then up to myself.

1:51:42>> And if we if we vote to put the light on

1:51:45there, that'll be the cost of the city

1:51:46as per the budget.

1:51:48>> Correct.

1:51:49>> And that's about 20,000 as you said

1:51:51before or for this one?

1:51:53>> For this particular location, uh bear

1:51:55with me one moment. Um,

1:51:59we could install an additional Cobra

1:52:01head uh at the tune of about $2,000 on a

1:52:04light pole. [clears throat]

1:52:06>> $2,000.

1:52:06>> Correct. So, this is a situation where

1:52:08the pole already exists. So, we would

1:52:10just have to mount ahead and run power.

1:52:12That's a much quicker um and cleaner

1:52:15work than going and installing a new

1:52:17pole.

1:52:19So if the if it helps the resident for

1:52:21$2,000, you still think that you have

1:52:24enough light that we don't need it. Is

1:52:26that what you your suggestion is?

1:52:31Given the state of our lighting budget

1:52:34in this particular location, it's my

1:52:36opinion that we could better use our

1:52:38funds somewhere else. However, if it's

1:52:40the board's will, uh we can put a light

1:52:43here

1:52:46>> through the chair. Go ahead,

1:52:48Commissioner.

1:52:49>> Um,

1:52:50Mr. Melo, can you confirm? I'm looking

1:52:53at the uh the the street map here. Is

1:52:57there a light on the next poll at the

1:52:59next house?

1:53:02Uh, one moment, Mr. Commissioner. I can

1:53:04actually uh retrieve a bit of data on

1:53:07this one. Just my computer decided to

1:53:09turn itself off.

1:53:36currently there is a light uh at the

1:53:38intersection of Woodcliffe and the uh

1:53:41the road up the way there. Um so that is

1:53:43roughly

1:53:45one,

1:53:47two, three

1:53:50or so house lots away from this

1:53:52particular location. Um, and then

1:53:56in front of

1:53:59number eight Woodcliffe, there's a

1:54:00light. Um,

1:54:02>> which is the house next door.

1:54:04>> Which is the house next door. So, it's a

1:54:06fairly well-lit area. Um, considering

1:54:10the amount of traffic received, it's a

1:54:12dead end. Um, and it's a residential

1:54:14neighborhood. It's generally not one

1:54:16where we would consider extra lighting

1:54:18necessary.

1:54:21So Mr. Commissioner to through to

1:54:23through the chair to Mr. So based on the

1:54:25answer you think it's adequately lit

1:54:29area that sounds

1:54:32>> uh through the chair without having gone

1:54:33out there myself I defer to our experts

1:54:36who were out on the streets at night

1:54:39which they said that it was adequately

1:54:41lit.

1:54:42>> Okay. And that is a uh it can be

1:54:48[clears throat] excuse me it can be an

1:54:50objective answer but most of the time

1:54:52that's a subjective opinion based on the

1:54:54folks who live there and if they walk on

1:54:56the streets and what have you.

1:54:59>> But the cost is about $2,000 as you

1:55:02mentioned if we want to put the extra

1:55:04light in there. uh through the chair.

1:55:07Correct. Um I would offer that there is

1:55:09a light

1:55:12120 feet away

1:55:15um on the same side of the road and the

1:55:18road turns to a dead end

1:55:21after about two or three more house

1:55:23lots. So again, it's just this doesn't

1:55:27ring to our team is one where a bunch of

1:55:30extra lighting is necessary. There's no

1:55:32sidewalk here. There's no crosswalks.

1:55:35There's no through traffic. It's a low

1:55:37volume road. Um so that that was just

1:55:41our opinion.

1:55:41>> All right. Very good.

1:55:42>> So to chair my vote based on the

1:55:45conversation we had and I would trust

1:55:47that our department has the you know

1:55:50right decision to make that it is

1:55:52adequately lit and probably would rather

1:55:55use the money where it's more needed. So

1:55:58I would um vote yes to recommend to

1:56:01leave to withdraw.

1:56:04Very good.

1:56:06>> And chairperson, councelor econom.

1:56:08>> Yes.

1:56:10>> All right. Item uh 6G. Councelor Jose A.

1:56:13Rivera on behalf of Katherine Holmes

1:56:15request installation of a street light

1:56:17at the intersection of Talawanda Drive

1:56:19and Brookline Street. Uh the

1:56:21recommendation here is to install a

1:56:24street light. And I'm just going to ask

1:56:27what the per what the determination on

1:56:30that was.

1:56:33through the chair

1:56:36talawanda.

1:56:41So we recommended installing a street

1:56:43light here. Uh the reason for this was

1:56:46inadequate lighting. Uh our team thought

1:56:49that a 47 watt cobrahead would be

1:56:51sufficient. Um and that is about $1,500

1:56:54to install.

1:56:56>> Okay. Motion be to recommend installing

1:56:58the street light. Roll call.

1:57:00>> Counselors Fizzola. Yes.

1:57:01>> Mitra.

1:57:02>> Yes.

1:57:02>> And chairperson, councelor econom.

1:57:04>> Yes. Item 6H. Councelor Morris A.

1:57:07Bergman on behalf of Paul and Ara uh

1:57:11Brule requests installation of

1:57:13additional more effective street

1:57:15lighting on North Parkway at Berno Park.

1:57:19North Park.

1:57:21Motion here is to recommend replacing

1:57:22the light fixtures.

1:57:25>> Roll call.

1:57:26>> Councelors Fizzola.

1:57:27>> Yes. Meet.

1:57:28>> Yes. And chairperson counc.

1:57:31All right. Miscellaneous item 7A.

1:57:33Petition of Brian D. Tremble requests

1:57:36electronic notification be sent to

1:57:38residents prior to the occurrence of

1:57:40street sweeping actions.

1:57:43Is this part of the um the alert

1:57:46Worester? Would this be part would this

1:57:49be the use for alert Worester?

1:57:51>> Through the chair, I reached out to

1:57:53Commissioner Goodwin and he said that

1:57:56this is a possibility. So, we're going

1:57:58to work together to see how we can make

1:57:59that happen.

1:58:00>> Okay, great. So, a motion would be to

1:58:03file.

1:58:04>> Mr. Chairman, would you also put a

1:58:05chairman's order for the um action to

1:58:07occur?

1:58:08>> Yes, please.

1:58:09>> Thank you. Councilors Fazolo,

1:58:12>> yes.

1:58:12>> Mitra,

1:58:13>> yes.

1:58:13>> And chairperson, councelor Konamu.

1:58:15>> Yes. Um item 7B, petitioner of council

1:58:18Tony Konamu on behalf of June Vo

1:58:21requests installation of please pick up

1:58:23after your dog signage at the

1:58:26intersection of Malden Street and West

1:58:28Bilston Street that includes the penalty

1:58:31for not picking up after your dog.

1:58:36gentlemen

1:58:38>> uh through the chair. I did reach out to

1:58:41uh Commissioner Antenna Vika because

1:58:43enforcement of this falls within his

1:58:46department.

1:58:46>> Okay.

1:58:47>> So, as long as he is satisfied that this

1:58:51is something that they can enforce and

1:58:52the signage is appropriate, then we can

1:58:54work to put that up.

1:58:56>> Okay. Very good. Motion would be to

1:58:58file.

1:58:59>> Mr. Chairman, it would be to file or to

1:59:01approve if

1:59:02>> to to approve. Yes. I'm sorry. Thank

1:59:04you, Mr. Chair. Thank you.

1:59:05>> Councilors Friso,

1:59:06>> yes.

1:59:07>> Metitra,

1:59:08>> yes.

1:59:08>> And chairperson, councelor econom.

1:59:09>> Yes. Thank you.

1:59:13Okay, we did D.

1:59:16And item E, petition of Julie Ann

1:59:19Lamakia, request review the sidewalk on

1:59:21the western side of Berno Street between

1:59:24our butus and Rollinsson Road to explore

1:59:26any warranty provisions and pursue any

1:59:27corrective action that can be taken with

1:59:30the contractor given the installation of

1:59:32said sidewalk was fall 2024.

1:59:36Um,

1:59:38I'm happy to say that I know a section

1:59:40of that was repaired

1:59:43and the ramp that the gentleman that was

1:59:46before us tonight, the sidewalk by

1:59:48Thornike Road was also repaired to uh to

1:59:52a better slope. And I want to say thank

1:59:54you both for for

1:59:58looking into that and getting it done. I

2:00:00know he he truly appreciated it. Um, I

2:00:03happened to be up there when the

2:00:04contractor was there. So, I stopped and

2:00:06asked the contractor about the remaining

2:00:08section of sidewalk. Um, and they told

2:00:11me they'd be back to finish that. And I

2:00:13just want to confirm that that's factual

2:00:16>> through the chair. That is all factual.

2:00:19U, the contractor should have been

2:00:21mobilizing to the site towards the end

2:00:22of last week. Um, so we're expecting

2:00:24that work done in short order and this

2:00:25is the remaining stretch in the area of

2:00:27Quinn Sigment.

2:00:28>> Okay. So, I'm going to hold it until it

2:00:30gets completed. So the motion would be

2:00:32to hold

2:00:33>> through the chair.

2:00:34>> Yes, Mr. Commissioner.

2:00:35>> I just want to say thank you for your

2:00:37kind words, but all the credit goes to

2:00:38Mr. Melo and his team and the contractor

2:00:41and the relationship that he's developed

2:00:43to be able to get them to go out and do

2:00:44that work.

2:00:44>> No, I appreciate it. It matters. Like I

2:00:47said, the gentleman that was before us

2:00:48today

2:00:50um in his wheelchair, he called me. I

2:00:52texted him to let him know it was done.

2:00:54They were pouring the concrete

2:00:56and he came out later in the day, looked

2:00:58at it, and the slope is

2:01:02to what he said much more gentler for

2:01:04him. So, um it wasn't for nothing. You

2:01:07know, it was it was greatly appreciated.

2:01:10So, thank you. Um motion to hold. Uh

2:01:14roll call.

2:01:15>> Councilors Fazo,

2:01:16>> yes.

2:01:17>> Mitra,

2:01:17>> yes.

2:01:18>> And chair present. Councelor Con?

2:01:20>> Yes.

2:01:21Item of item F. Petitioner Victoria

2:01:23Torres request the procedure for fall

2:01:26leaf collecting and street spring street

2:01:30sweeping be revised and change reviewed.

2:01:34Thank you. And changed as shown in the

2:01:37attached plan.

2:01:40Do we have that plan before us?

2:01:43>> Mr. Chairman, the the petition could

2:01:45have potentially been worded a little

2:01:46better. the the plan is essentially a

2:01:48list of bullets that are included with

2:01:50the petition itself that should be in

2:01:52your backup.

2:01:53>> Okay, let me just

2:01:56I saw it earlier.

2:02:02How do we go about

2:02:04>> informing

2:02:07other other than um

2:02:13chairs go to both street sweeping and

2:02:15leaf collection so run and so wear

2:02:17parking bands? Yes. to create a

2:02:18cleaning, sweeping, leaf collection

2:02:21schedule, which would make it so that

2:02:22the public alternates between odd and

2:02:25even sides of the street. So there is

2:02:26some parking available during these

2:02:28times to increase the amount of signs

2:02:30posted and the length of time before

2:02:32sweeping, cleaning, and leaf collection

2:02:34to start to lower the cost of the

2:02:37tickets issued for parking bands during

2:02:39sweep street sweep cleaning and leaf

2:02:43collection. So um

2:02:50so my experience and obviously her

2:02:52experience may have been a little bit

2:02:54different. Um

2:02:56when I drive the district already the

2:02:59street the leaf pickup is already out.

2:03:03I've um I've had a resident send it to

2:03:05me. So I'll be posting that. But

2:03:11I feel there's adequate signage. Uh,

2:03:13every time I drive into a section, it

2:03:15appears that there's adequate signage

2:03:17for street sweeping. Um, the one thing

2:03:20that I was critical of prior

2:03:25was

2:03:26to try to give residents at least a

2:03:28weekend

2:03:30for those that are off on the weekend.

2:03:33um the opportunity to get the leaves

2:03:35into the street as opposed to on off the

2:03:38street. Um and that would be the only

2:03:41thing that I would look at trying to

2:03:43coordinate a timeline because once those

2:03:46signs go up at any day

2:03:49they can be sweeping, picking up leaves.

2:03:52So I think also with the alert worester

2:03:55program too I think that'll be a far

2:03:58better tool to alert people that you

2:04:01know beginning Monday we're going to be

2:04:03in your neighborhood. Uh

2:04:07so th those are just some of the things

2:04:10what she has here before us has merit.

2:04:13Um,

2:04:15but I think it's watching the operation.

2:04:18It's difficult to say one side of the

2:04:20street and not the other side of the

2:04:22street and vice versa because I see them

2:04:24coming most times, especially in the

2:04:28residential neighborhoods, they're

2:04:30taking up the whole street and working

2:04:32this whole street as opposed to one side

2:04:34or the other side. So, that's my

2:04:37observation. I'll leave it up to you

2:04:39guys to

2:04:40>> add your comments. U Mr. Chair I I agree

2:04:43with you. I think um alert is meant I

2:04:47think for that purpose something like

2:04:48this would make more use of it and more

2:04:51benefit to the resident. So I agree to

2:04:54make those changes or adapt to those

2:04:56things.

2:04:57>> Y

2:04:58>> anything else? Do you guys have your

2:05:00schedule out yet?

2:05:02>> Is it ready to go?

2:05:03>> We do not, Mr. Chairman.

2:05:04>> All right. All right. As soon as it

2:05:07comes out, I'm sure we'll all be

2:05:08notified anyways.

2:05:10>> Yeah. The Mr. Chairman, the notice goes

2:05:12to uh to our website. Uh we post it

2:05:16everywhere we can and I think that as

2:05:18you stated that the uh the inclusion of

2:05:21the electronic notification of residents

2:05:23will help greatly.

2:05:26>> Yes. And I would encourage everybody to

2:05:28get on the alert worester platform

2:05:31because it is a useful tool

2:05:33>> um and could save you a lot of

2:05:35headaches.

2:05:36Um anything else? Motion to file.

2:05:41Roll call.

2:05:42>> Councilors Fizzo,

2:05:43>> yes.

2:05:43>> Metitra,

2:05:44>> yes.

2:05:44>> And chairperson, councelor Cona,

2:05:46>> yes.

2:05:48>> And that brings us to the end of our

2:05:50meeting.

2:05:52>> Mot the motion uh and entertainer. Go

2:05:55ahead. Do you have a question?

2:05:55>> Just quickly, uh it's not a it's not a

2:05:58it's a question that I have for the

2:06:00commissioner. It's not an item on our

2:06:02agenda, but we do have a council meeting

2:06:04tomorrow night. And I was just hoping if

2:06:07if he couldn't make it, somebody from

2:06:09his department could because we have a

2:06:11couple items uh that I know two or three

2:06:14of the counselors uh would like uh to

2:06:18speak on and it's about u how we how we

2:06:23uh pick our streets. Uh

2:06:26>> Mr. If I could just interject that I do

2:06:27apologize but with it not being on the

2:06:29agenda maybe a better conversation

2:06:31offline.

2:06:32>> Thank you H. I'm sorry.

2:06:33>> Thank you.

2:06:34>> I'll I'll talk to the commission

2:06:36[clears throat] but I will be there.

2:06:37Thank you.

2:06:37>> Motion to adjurnn.

2:06:40So move.