2026-10-20 - Conservation Commission

00:32Good evening. I'd like to call this

00:34conservation commission meeting to

00:35order. Uh couple items. We have

00:40one one of our conservation commission

00:43members is joining us remotely

00:48>> and will be um participating um like I

00:53said remotely and we will be doing um

00:57voice uh with

00:59>> roll call

01:00>> roll call votes.

01:03Okay. So the first item on the agenda is

01:05to um review and approve minutes. We do

01:08not have any. Uh second item on the

01:10agenda is to sign bills. Uh we have one

01:14>> for the community advocate. for the

01:16community advocate.

01:24>> Thank you so much.

01:25>> Okay. On on to um meetings and hearings.

01:30Uh first item I'd like to address is um

01:33related to the um Lakewin Sigum

01:37Commission. Um the there is a draw down

01:40scheduled for Lakewin Sigamin, Flint

01:42Pond, and Newton Pond uh to begin the

01:45first week in November. I just wanted to

01:47um relay that announcement at the

01:50beginning of this meeting for anybody um

01:53that lives on the lake, Newton Pond, and

01:55Flint Pond. Okay. Uh first item on the

02:00agenda is a continued public meeting

02:04uh regarding the request of

02:06determination of applicability by David

02:09Regatada on behalf of Lake View Landing

02:12Trust 134 Elm Street Worester for

02:14retaining wall repairs at 190 South

02:16Quincigma Nav.

02:19Is there someone here?

02:27>> [clears throat]

02:27>> Good evening.

02:29Last time we were here and

02:30>> you are.

02:30>> Yep.

02:31>> Sorry, Joe Graham. Um, the engineer on

02:34the project.

02:35>> Correct.

02:35>> Um, last time we were here, we presented

02:38an RDA the repairs to the existing

02:40retaining wall at 190 South Quinn

02:42Sigman.

02:44>> Tonight, we proposed provided proposed

02:46resolutions to two of the action items

02:48from last last month's meeting. Firstly,

02:52survey control. In the updated plans,

02:55photos, and emails, we provided survey

02:58control nails at a 10-ft offset to the

03:00wall, spaced every 10 ft along the wall.

03:04The goal here is to ensure that the

03:07proposed repairs meet the existing

03:09footprint and they're not altered at the

03:12completion of the repair work.

03:15>> [clears throat]

03:16>> This will ensure that we establish the

03:18line and grade and horizontal and

03:20vertical control.

03:22The second was the existing 2ftx 4 foot

03:26by approximately 6 in concrete caps.

03:29Those existing caps have deteriorated

03:31and we will be removing them as part of

03:33the repair work. We don't anticipate um

03:36or we don't we're not proposing

03:39um to reuse or to provide a new concrete

03:42cap as part of the repairs in um instead

03:46we will be reutilizing existing stones

03:48that have either become dislodged to the

03:50maximum extent practical and installing

03:53them as part of the repairs.

03:56We feel that doing this will preserve

03:58the integrity of both the wall and the

04:01shoreline. And we feel that this

04:03approach um

04:06would would be a preferable option for

04:10the the the repair um at this spot.

04:14So I'll pause there for questions if

04:17>> Okay. Um Diane

04:19>> uh so I'm [clears throat] just uh

04:22confirming whether you the wall will be

04:24repaired with mortar or by stacking.

04:27>> There will be structural mortar placed

04:30as part of the repair work but the

04:33joints will be ra clean in keeping with

04:35that natural kind of look that that the

04:38existing wall is. We don't want to um

04:41alter the the facade look.

04:46>> That's good. Okay.

04:48>> Um Bob,

04:50do we have any questions?

04:58>> Oh,

05:05why can't Bob talk?

05:13Let me see if I can make him co-host or

05:15something.

05:32Nope. I We still can't hear you, Bob.

05:41You have no audio. Bob has no audio.

05:50Nope.

06:00>> Can you hear me now?

06:01>> Yes. Yay.

06:02>> Yes, we got you.

06:04>> Okay. I have no questions. Thank you.

06:08>> Okay. Um, anybody in the audience have

06:11any questions on this? Aaliyah.

06:15>> Um, I would recommend a uh special

06:17condition related to surveying the wall

06:19after construction just to confirm that

06:21it does not move.

06:22>> So, you'll give us an asbuilt.

06:24>> Yes, definitely.

06:25>> All right. With that, uh, being said, I

06:28guess we'll close this

06:30ID. Um, would So, would somebody like to

06:33make a motion?

06:35Um, I make a motion that we uh approve

06:39applicability the this request for of uh

06:44for for determination of applicability.

06:46>> All right. And Bob, would you like to

06:49make second that?

06:51>> I'll second that.

06:53>> All right. So, we we vote no. We we vote

06:57yes.

06:57>> Yes. You have issued a negative

06:59determination.

06:59>> Negative determination. So, we vote yes.

07:01All right. So, um Diane,

07:05you going to vote?

07:06>> Oh, I

07:08>> Bob,

07:12>> we got to hear you.

07:13>> I

07:14>> I Okay. And I vote I as well. All right.

07:16So, you're all set.

07:17>> Thank you very much.

07:23>> All right. We have a continued public

07:24meeting regarding the request and

07:26determination of accurability from

07:31first

07:32Forgive me. Chris Raman,

07:36>> can you say it for me, please?

07:37>> Krishna Swami.

07:38>> All right. Five Oak Meadow Circle.

07:41Choose me for the installation of a shed

07:43and fence at Five Oak Meadow Circle.

07:47>> Thank you.

07:48>> Good evening. Uh my name is Krishna

07:49Swami Wanka Raman. I'm a property owner

07:51of Five Oak Circle. Last month we

07:54presented the proposal for installing a

07:57fence and a shed and they asked for a

07:59detailed drawing um and location of the

08:01fence proposed land that has been

08:04furnished and I also uh surveyed the

08:07land using Javis land survey. So they

08:09also have the

08:11property lines marked and everything. So

08:14I'm just requesting for

08:17um determination of applicability

08:20and the plans.

08:22>> Um can you just explain uh the shed? Is

08:26it just going to be on a lawn area?

08:29>> It's on the lawn area which is already

08:30flattened lawn area. So, it's a pre-made

08:35tough shed, felt f um shed, which is 10

08:38by 12 ft, which is 120 square ft. And it

08:42is made of um normal wood material. Um

08:47no, nothing fancy there. It's it's just

08:50a Home Depot installed material.

08:54>> And they usually set on blocks of some

08:56sort. Yeah, they just to keep the legs

08:59uh they probably put um block for that

09:03to stand it straight.

09:05>> Okay,

09:06>> Diane.

09:08>> Um

09:10so um

09:15uh

09:17the uh the stockpile of material

09:19adjacent to wet the wetland that's been

09:21removed.

09:22>> Yeah, it's mostly removed and I have a

09:24little more to remove. So it takes a

09:26little more like time to but it'll be

09:28removed.

09:29>> Okay. And the the soil in that area has

09:33it where it was disturbed um has that

09:37been restored?

09:38>> It's it's going to get receded. So we

09:40are waiting for the applicability to

09:42approve so that they will be receding

09:44with the hydro seed

09:45>> and and how will you do that?

09:46>> Hydro seeding.

09:47>> Hydro seeding. Okay. All right. And

09:50you've installed erosion control on that

09:52site.

09:53>> Yes.

09:53>> Okay. That's great. Um,

09:57and uh, just a question about the

09:59materials for the fence. What will that

10:01be made out of?

10:02>> It's a chain link fence, 4t tall,

10:06>> just to keep my dog not to

10:09>> run away from backyard.

10:11>> Okay, that makes sense. And I have I

10:13don't have any more questions.

10:15>> Um, Bob,

10:17>> I'll Diane addressed all the questions I

10:19had. Thank you. Okay,

10:23Aaliyah.

10:24>> Um, I would recommend a special

10:26condition just to have um I can go

10:28inspect the site. Um,

10:32uh,

10:34to confirm that the sediment pile has

10:37been removed, um, the erosion control is

10:39installed. So, prior to the installation

10:41of the, um, the fence and the shed. Um,

10:44I'd also recommend just special

10:46conditions noting that the stock pile

10:48should be removed just to kind of cement

10:50that. Um, and that the area will be

10:52receded with hydro seed.

10:54>> Okay.

10:56Anybody in the audience have any

10:58questions?

11:00>> Okay. Diane, would you like to make a

11:02motion?

11:03>> Uh, yes. I make a motion that um we

11:10uh

11:11>> issue

11:12>> issue negative

11:13>> determination

11:15>> with the conditions

11:16>> with the conditions uh that um someone

11:20uh returned to inspect the site prior to

11:22the fence being installed. Uh that the

11:25stockpile has been removed and that the

11:28um

11:30the area has been hydro seated. Yeah,

11:33>> I'll second that.

11:35>> Okay, Diane.

11:37>> Oh, I

11:38>> Bob

11:40>> I

11:40>> and myself I Okay, you're all set.

11:43>> Thank you so much.

11:47>> Okay,

11:48>> this Okay, so we're at 72 edge water.

11:51[clears throat]

11:55>> Yep, you're good.

12:05Okay. Notice is hereby given in

12:07accordance with the provisions of

12:09general laws chapter 131 uh S40 and the

12:13town of Shrewsbury wetland wetlands

12:15bylaw and regulations that Kenji Kos am

12:18I saying that correct?

12:2072 Edgewater A uh Shrewsbury,

12:23Massachusetts has filed a request for

12:24determin determination of applicability

12:28for the removal of four trees at 72

12:31Edgewater F.

12:32>> Good evening.

12:33>> Good evening. Uh my name is Kenji Koi.

12:36Um yeah, so uh these are kind of

12:38regarding trees that are along uh my

12:41property and then the the neighbor

12:43behind um our property uh she uh she's

12:47in the audience now, but uh she uh

12:50approached us about uh potentially

12:52removing some of the trees because she

12:53was worried about them falling and and

12:56potentially uh damaging her fence as

12:59well as her shed. Uh, and then while we

13:01were doing that, we also noticed that

13:02there was one dead tree that needed to

13:04be removed as well. Um, so, uh, yeah,

13:08one of the trees is leaning quite a bit

13:10over her fence. I think she had said

13:12that some large branches have fallen

13:14before from that one. Um, and so she was

13:16worried about that one potentially

13:18because I think she was planning on

13:19installing maybe a new fence or

13:21something like that. She was worried

13:22about that damaging that fence. And then

13:24the three other trees that are further

13:26away are right by the back of her shed.

13:29And I think some, you know, again, she's

13:31had some branches falling as well as um

13:34worry about the roots [music]

13:36um potentially damaging the the uh the

13:38kind of the slab that that shed is on.

13:41And so, you know, I feel pretty neutral

13:45about it, but to be kind of it felt, you

13:47know, like the right thing to do to to

13:49because of the potential uh worry with

13:52her property.

13:54>> Okay. So, are these trees on your

13:57property or your neighbors?

13:58>> Uh, they are on my property. One of them

14:01is kind of on the on the line, so I

14:03think it's both. Uh, but

14:05>> All right. So, it's Yeah, it's on the

14:07property line. So, it's on your property

14:08as well as hers. And she's not adverse

14:10for you,

14:11>> right? She was the one actually

14:12approached to ask about it because she

14:14was worried about the damage to her

14:15property.

14:16>> Okay. All right. Um, Diane.

14:19>> Yeah. Uh, so do I remember that these

14:22are Norway maples?

14:24>> Yeah. So, the three that are by the shed

14:25are Norway maples. That's as as far as

14:29the arborist that we've had come by has

14:31told us.

14:32>> Yeah, they probably are,

14:33>> right? Yeah.

14:34>> So, those are um non-native trees.

14:38>> They're kind of invasive. They just

14:40plant themselves all over the place. So,

14:42>> it's okay to take those out. Um but uh

14:45could you please replace them with some

14:48native trees? you don't have to put that

14:50them in the same location because that

14:52would create the same conditions,

14:54>> right?

14:55>> Uh but that would be um

14:58four trees that you would put in.

15:01>> I see. Um yeah, we would have to think

15:03about where they would go, but

15:07>> yeah, it's important to site them

15:08properly so they grow properly,

15:10>> right?

15:10>> Um we've got a a long list of really

15:14good trees.

15:15>> Yeah. And small smaller species, too. It

15:17does look like there's a lot going on in

15:19this area.

15:19>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

15:21>> With the number of

15:22>> If it if it turns out to be too crowded

15:26>> Yeah.

15:26>> for all those trees, perhaps some

15:28shrubs.

15:28>> Yeah.

15:29>> Yeah.

15:29>> Yeah. Insulation of shrubs.

15:31>> Either way, the uh the

15:34uh animals and the insects in that area

15:35really do need native foliage.

15:38>> Okay. Yeah. I mean, shrubs definitely I

15:39think would would make you know, we'd be

15:41perfectly happy with that. Um, I think

15:43the trees we're kind of uh, yeah, we'd

15:47have to think about where they would go,

15:49I guess, if they weren't on that that

15:51line, which again, as you say, would

15:52would cause the same uh, potential

15:55problems down the future. So,

15:56>> okay. Well, um, trees have more

15:59ecosystem value, but if you go for

16:00shrubs that have the highest ecosystem

16:02value, Wait. Yeah.

16:05>> Okay. Yeah,

16:06>> you can research that.

16:07>> Okay. Sure. Sure.

16:09>> Yeah, that sounds fine.

16:11>> Okay, Bob.

16:13I have I have no questions.

16:15>> Okay. Anybody in the audience?

16:19>> Yes, ma'am.

16:19>> Hi. I'm the neighbor that lives behind.

16:22>> Can Can you just come right up and just

16:23state your name for the record, please?

16:37Teresa Rean, Lakewood Drive. Um, my

16:40question is

16:42the fifth tree was the one leaning over

16:46and did you guys put a red plastic

16:48ribbon around it?

16:51>> Not that I'm aware of. If it's located

16:53on town property, sometimes we'll flag

16:55them like that, but

16:56>> No, it's

16:58>> No,

16:59>> because neither of us did. And I

17:01[clears throat] was wondering,

17:03>> wasn't there originally five trees?

17:05>> Yeah. So, there there were five. So, the

17:07the request had five. So, there was one

17:09dead um and then there was the uh the

17:13one that was leaning over the fence and

17:15then three by the shed.

17:17>> H

17:18>> and then the the I think the last

17:19picture that I submitted with the packet

17:22had kind of all five circled on there.

17:25>> Two, three. Yeah, it does. Interesting.

17:28Yeah, I noted one of your images

17:29included um the the t the flagged I

17:34guess we'll say tree or

17:36>> the what? Why did I think it? Yes, this

17:38this um

17:39>> that one.

17:39>> Oh, yeah.

17:40>> It includes the one that was taped with

17:42the red tape.

17:44>> Okay. So, that might have been one of

17:45the arborist when they came by that we

17:47just didn't see them put that on there.

17:48>> Not that I'm aware of. Did we flag any

17:51of those trees? So, yeah, maybe it was

17:53the arborist that um

17:54>> So, can that one get taken down?

17:56>> The So, the the proposal is to remove

17:59five trees,

17:59>> right? Yeah. Okay. There should have

18:00been a five on the

18:01>> Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Um Yeah. I think we'll

18:04just have to um

18:06>> the commission will just would would

18:07vote to um issue a negative termination

18:09for the removal of five and we'll note

18:11it in the permit.

18:12>> So we'll we'll vote to remove five trees

18:16and then um to add five shrubs

18:22back

18:23>> and we have a list of shrubs

18:26>> to pick from that are that we prefer.

18:29>> Okay. Yeah, I to [clears throat] Yeah,

18:31sounds fine with me. Okay.

18:32>> A mix would be really good just because

18:34of the biodiversity that you get from

18:36that.

18:37>> Okay. Sure.

18:37>> Thanks,

18:39>> ma'am. Do you have any other questions?

18:41>> Um, pruning, the ones that are

18:43overhanging. I know I think I was told

18:47before by somebody here that you can

18:49prune, but not so much that it injures

18:53the tree. Um,

18:57the ones that are hanging over still,

19:00can I? because they're all leaning

19:01because they're so overcrowded.

19:04Can I prune on my side?

19:09>> Prune some of them because it's all

19:10hanging over.

19:11>> Yeah. So, in um in Shrewbury, you are

19:15allowed to prune to the property line

19:16typically. Um we just typically advise

19:18that you know don't

19:20>> don't hack away at the poor limbs when

19:22you are pruning. Um it sounds like you

19:25have some open communication with the

19:27neighbor. So if you're able, you know,

19:28can prune in a way that is health

19:31healthy for the tree, um prune using

19:34pruning best practices, um is always

19:36advisable just so you're not injuring

19:38the tree,

19:39>> right?

19:39>> And if you're causing detriment to it,

19:41then you're

19:43>> right.

19:44>> Doing good things. So,

19:45>> so do you usually recommend people

19:48if they're um Norway maples and they're

19:52young to take them out

19:54>> or do some people just let them grow?

19:58>> Um,

19:58>> I mean, I like shade, but I'm just

20:00wondering for future.

20:02>> There are no laws or regulations about

20:04that, but if if we did take out the Nory

20:08maples, that would probably be better

20:10for our um canopy coverage. Yeah,

20:14>> it really depends on the the the school

20:16of thought you follow sometimes too

20:17because it you know a tree is a a

20:21while a tree may be invasive, it is also

20:23still providing the benefits that a tree

20:24provides. So it is providing that canopy

20:26things. Um if it's a tree that's already

20:28coming out or is proposed to come out,

20:31you know, we're not pro might not cry

20:34over the loss of an invasive species

20:35that's being removed, right? But um

20:38there's like a couple different aspects

20:40of if it's providing benefits to you and

20:43it's worth saving and the removal of

20:45these other trees will help it to grow

20:47more happily then it can do its thing.

20:51>> I heard other trees near it don't thrive

20:56>> that I'm not sure about. I'm not sure

20:58what uh impacts Norway maples have on

21:00>> um phyitochemicals in the soil.

21:02>> Yeah.

21:03>> And it prevents other things from

21:04growing. Yeah.

21:05>> Okay. Do you have any other questions?

21:07No.

21:08>> Are you good? You're comfortable with

21:09this? Okay. Um that being said, would um

21:12somebody like to make a motion?

21:14>> Yes. Um

21:17uh

21:20um I move that we issue a negative

21:23determination

21:24uh regarding

21:26uh this request for determination for

21:29five trees, not for four. Um Yep. And to

21:33replant five shrubs

21:35>> and to replant with five great shrubs.

21:38>> Yeah.

21:39>> Okay. Is there a second, Bob?

21:41>> Second.

21:42>> All right. All those in favor? Diane?

21:46>> I.

21:46>> Bob.

21:48>> I.

21:49>> Myself. I. Okay, you're all set.

21:51>> Okay. Thank you.

21:52>> Thank you.

22:01Moving right along. We're at five

22:04country way.

22:08Notice is hereby given in accordance

22:10with the provisions of general laws

22:12chapter 131 S40 and the town of

22:15Shrewsbury wetland bylaw and regulations

22:17that Phipe Lumier did I pronounce that

22:20correctly?

22:20>> Pretty close.

22:21>> Yeah. Uh, Five Country Way, Shrewsbury,

22:23Massachusetts, has filed a request for

22:25determination of applicability for the

22:27removal of one tree at Five Country Way.

22:31>> Hi there. Good evening. So, I'm Phil

22:33Lemieux, the property owner.

22:35>> Yes.

22:35>> I'm Dustin O'Brien, this landscaper.

22:37>> Good evening.

22:38>> Good evening.

22:38>> So, what do we got?

22:41>> Hey, I can jump. We have a one we have

22:43about a one pine tree that's on uping

22:45our property line and water retention

22:47area behind us and would like to it it

22:51because of the nature of the pine it

22:53drops a lot of debris a lot of sap a lot

22:56onto the onto the property and a

23:00basketball court underneath it. So,

23:01we're looking to to remove the pine tree

23:03and replace it with a in a a native

23:06species in a in a different spot uh

23:09nearby.

23:10>> We've uh had a professional arborist

23:12come in and take a look at it and they

23:14advise not limming it up because it will

23:17actually produce more sap and actually

23:20cause more damage to the property.

23:22>> All right. So, um this is on

23:26conservation land. Yes, it does look

23:28like the tree is located on conservation

23:31on the property.

23:32>> So that with that being on conservation

23:34land, we have the we have the ability to

23:38have it removed.

23:39>> Yeah.

23:40>> And then we also asked for something

23:42being replanted. So

23:43>> yeah, I would recommend a special

23:44condition related to replanting probably

23:46on their own property, not on our Yes.

23:49Okay. All right, Diane.

23:52>> Yes. Um that that's so this would be

23:56replanting a native tree but on your

23:59property fleet. Is that correct? And

24:02then um

24:04in in order to replace that tree, right?

24:07So we do have a list of native trees

24:09that you can choose from.

24:11>> Okay.

24:12>> Okay. And that should work, right?

24:14>> Yeah. Okay.

24:14>> Yeah. any place on your property you you

24:16can place it at where it's going to make

24:18the uh best for your your your

24:20advantage, best of your ability,

24:22whatever you would like.

24:24>> Um

24:25Bobby,

24:27>> I have no questions on this.

24:29>> Um I

24:31>> don't believe I have any questions.

24:33>> Anyone in the audience have any

24:34questions? Okay. Um Diane, would you

24:37like to make a motion? Uh, I move that

24:39we issue a uh negative um

24:44determination

24:46um

24:48uh with the condition that on your own

24:51property you plant a native tree.

24:55>> Mhm.

24:55>> Thank you.

24:57>> Um

24:58>> second

24:59>> second.

25:00>> Thank you.

25:02Uh I

25:04>> um

25:05>> I

25:06>> I

25:08>> Okay, you're all set.

25:09>> Thank you, M.

25:23>> Lady slipper.

25:25>> Okay, so this is um

25:27>> Sorry, I stacked them all on you, Diane.

25:29>> Anyone here? [laughter]

25:32Mhm. Go right ahead.

25:34>> Okay. Notice is hereby given in

25:36accordance with the provisions of

25:37general laws chapter 131 S40 and the

25:40town of Shrewsbury wetlands bylaw and

25:42regulations that Michael McDonald 26

25:44Lady Slipper Drive Shrewsbury MA has

25:46filed a request for determin

25:49determination of applicability for the

25:51removal of one tree at 26 Ladies Slipper

25:54Drive.

25:55>> I believe Michael is joining us

25:57remotely. Let me confirm that.

26:00That's correct. Can you hear me?

26:02>> Yep.

26:02>> Yes.

26:05>> Okay, go right ahead.

26:08>> Excellent. Thank you for taking my call

26:10virtually. Um yeah, I'm Michael

26:11McDonald. I'm the property owner at 26

26:14Lady Slipper Drive. Um the request is to

26:17remove a willow tree that's in the um

26:20the like the wooded area on my property

26:22behind my home. Um for a couple of

26:26reasons. It's um rotting. It appears to

26:29be rotting around the trunk and just

26:31overall looks to be distressed and it's

26:33tall enough that if it were to fall, it

26:35would land on my fence, my deck, my

26:38home. Um, so it's really just a hazard

26:40that I'm trying to remove by removing

26:42the tree. Um, and we've had other trees

26:45fall in this kind of wet wetland area.

26:47Um, which just made it, you know, kind

26:50of increasingly concerning to want to

26:52remove it. So, um, so yeah, that that's,

26:56uh, that's the gist of the request.

26:58Okay, Diane.

27:00>> So, is this a weeping willow?

27:04>> Do you know?

27:06>> I don't know for certain. Um, I don't

27:10know for certain. I would have to I

27:11would have to confirm that.

27:13>> Well, no matter what. Um, so, uh, I

27:18would ask that you either replace the

27:21cut that willow down and replace it with

27:24native tree or leave it a high stump.

27:26But I would like to say that if you

27:27leave a high stump, it's probably going

27:30to send out branches and re-establish

27:33itself as a tree. I mean, you can do

27:36that if you want. Uh, but

27:40willows do that

27:42>> and sometimes it takes a few years of

27:44trimming back that um the new branches

27:47for it to give up because it's stored so

27:49much energy in the roots that it can do

27:51that.

27:53>> Okay. Is it something that is manageable

27:55that what you're describing is something

27:57that I as property owner could mitigate?

28:00Okay.

28:00>> Yeah,

28:01>> there might be there might be a chance

28:03that it doesn't come back either because

28:04the the stump is pretty um

28:07>> it's decaying.

28:08>> Yeah, it's pretty it's pretty there is a

28:10pretty sizable cavity at the base. So,

28:12um even if they leave a high stump, they

28:14might might not see that it comes back.

28:16But yeah, with

28:17>> Oh, that's right. Yeah,

28:18>> you could actually find out uh by

28:22leaving a high stump if you wanted to uh

28:25and and it might not branch out um

28:31or you could simply cut it down low and

28:35put in a native tree somewhere else on

28:37your property.

28:39>> Okay. Um, I'm I'm hap I'm personally

28:41happy to try to start with cutting it

28:43high and seeing if that gives us any

28:45trouble, but it's I I'm hopeful it

28:47wouldn't. Um, just given it that a lot

28:51other trees in that area have we had one

28:53recently fall back there and I'm just

28:54concerned if if I were to plant any

28:57another tree, it probably wouldn't be in

28:58the same exact area. So, um, so maybe I

29:02start there if that if that's doable.

29:05>> Yep, that's good.

29:06>> Okay. Um, Bob,

29:08>> I have a question I have. How close is

29:09this tree to the fence right now?

29:12>> Um, it's it's uh how close? It's

29:19maybe 10 to maybe 20 ft.

29:22>> Oh, perfect. Okay. I just want to make

29:23sure it wasn't too close where this rots

29:25out and falls in the fence anyways. As

29:27long as it's far enough away, I'm off of

29:29just cutting it high and leaving it.

29:30That's fine.

29:31>> Yeah, I don't think it would. Um, yeah,

29:33I do not think it would fall on the

29:34fence if it was cut high. Um, yeah. No,

29:38I don't I don't think so. Um

29:40>> Okay.

29:42>> Okay.

29:42>> No further questions.

29:44>> Thank you. Uh Aaliyah,

29:46>> I have no questions.

29:47>> Anybody in the audience?

29:51>> Okay. Um Diane, would you like to make a

29:53motion?

29:53>> Uh I make a motion that we issue a

29:56negative determination for 26 L Slipper

29:59Drive. Um and that the tree be left cut

30:03high 5 to 10 feet. Yep.

30:06>> Okay. Is there a second? Bob second.

30:09Okay.

30:10>> Second. Yeah. I

30:11>> Diane I. Bob. I. Myself. I.

30:16>> Okay.

30:17>> Thank you.

30:18>> Thank you very much.

30:19>> You're all set. Okay. 17 Shirley Road.

30:23Uh notice is hereby given in accordance

30:26with the provisions of general laws

30:28chapter 135 131 S40 and the town of

30:32Shrewsbury wetlands bylaw and

30:34regulations that Christine

30:37um

30:40Najim 62 South Street Douglas

30:43Massachusetts has filed a request for

30:45determination of applicability for the

30:47construction of a second story and first

30:50story edition at 17 Shirley road.

30:55>> Is there somebody here representing?

30:57>> Yes. Good evening. This is Good evening.

30:58Can you hear me? This is Norman Hill

31:00from Land Planning.

31:01>> We hear you.

31:02>> Yes, Norman.

31:04>> Okay. So, there's the existing house on

31:06this lot and the lot is on the corner of

31:08Shirley Road and Holden Street. It's

31:10less than a half acre lot. There's a

31:13lawn around the house. The house there

31:16there are two resource areas. There's a

31:18pond out beyond the house and there's

31:21like a seasonal flow across the street.

31:25So the pond beyond the house, it's about

31:28se more than 70 ft from the house and

31:31the uh seasonal area across the street

31:35is about 90 ft from the house.

31:38So, we've surrounded this house with

31:41silocation barrier and and the proposed

31:44work consists of uh

31:47putting a second story on the house,

31:50putting a new front door on the house,

31:52and then putting a sidewalk from the

31:54driveway to the new front door. Also,

31:57they're going to right now there's a

31:58handicap ramp to the right side of the

32:00house. They'd like to take that away.

32:03So, um, the only excavation

32:06would be, uh, that bump out for the

32:09front door. It's about a 3 and 1/2t

32:10bumpout for the front door. Have to put

32:13a foundation under that. We've got a

32:15stockpile area nearby, but inside the

32:17siltation controls

32:19and the sidewalk would be paper blocks.

32:22Um, so right now it's a one-story house.

32:26They'd like to make it a two-story

32:27house.

32:29I'd be happy to answer any questions

32:30that you might have.

32:32>> Okay. Um Diane,

32:34>> so the house would stay in the same

32:35footprint, first floor, second, second

32:37floor. Yeah.

32:38>> Yeah. Yeah.

32:40>> And the

32:41>> So no, so no excavation around that

32:43existing foundation other than for the

32:45new front door.

32:46>> Okay. And the um

32:50the ramp is at the side entrance.

32:53Looking at this, what is the side

32:55entrance?

32:58Um, is it where the um

33:04the walkway would go to?

33:07>> Yeah, it's near the front of the house,

33:08but it's on the side. Um, so right now

33:11there's a walkway that comes off the

33:12driveway, goes to that ramp, and you

33:15zigzag up the ramp onto that landing.

33:18anyone in that door,

33:20but that that that ramp would be removed

33:26and and the door the door would be

33:27removed. And it's it I looked at the

33:30floor plans today. First floor, you're

33:32going to have sort of a typical layout

33:34with a living room, dining room,

33:37kitchen, and then upstairs, uh the

33:40bedrooms and a bath.

33:43>> And the walkway would be made with

33:45pavers. Would they be would there be

33:47mortar involved in that?

33:50>> No. No. Just put down the sand. Then you

33:52put down the paper blocks and then you

33:54fill in the in between the blocks with

33:55sand.

33:57>> That's good. I don't have any more

33:59questions.

33:59>> Okay. Bob,

34:01>> I'm all set with the questions on this.

34:04>> I don't believe I have any questions.

34:06>> Anybody in the audience?

34:08Okay. Diane, would you like to make a

34:10motion? Um, I make a motion that we

34:13issue a negative determination for 17

34:16Shirley Road um for the construction of

34:22uh second floor and uh the installation

34:25of a new walkway to the side door.

34:30>> Second.

34:31>> Okay,

34:33Diane.

34:33>> Hi,

34:35>> Bob.

34:37I think that was

34:38>> I

34:39>> myself I Okay.

34:42>> Thank you all very much. Stay with us.

34:44>> Thank you.

34:51>> All right. So, S Street

34:5627.

34:57>> Yep.

34:58Notice is hereby given in accordance

35:00with the provisions of general laws

35:02chapter 131 S40 and the town of

35:05Shrewsbury wetlands bylaw and

35:08regulations that Romeina 27 Su street um

35:13Shrewsbury MA has filed a request for

35:16determination of applicability for the

35:18installation of a shed and patio and the

35:20removal of tree two trees at 27 Sul

35:24Street.

35:27Hi. Is come on up.

35:35>> State your name and address for the

35:37record, please.

35:38>> Roman Pñena, 27 Street.

35:41>> Okay. And so, what are we doing?

35:44>> Yeah, I just got a bought a new house

35:46last month, month before. And uh it's a

35:50new construction. So, it was just built.

35:53Um, uh, it doesn't have a shed, and I

35:55need a shed for for the storage. And,

35:58uh, it has a pathway, like a pave way

36:01from from the garage to to the back

36:04door. Um, I'm requesting to make portion

36:08of that pave way to a little bit wider

36:12so I can put like a chairs there and

36:14enjoy the weather. And then the trees uh

36:17there is two trees in front of the

36:18property are like a 10 feet from the

36:21property maybe 15 feet. Um one of them

36:24is dead. It's totally dead and an

36:27invasive

36:29plant is is covering it up and and the

36:33other one is is is is little it's like a

36:36you know one ft from it and it's also

36:40it's not dead. I mean it's alive but

36:42branching are coming down. So, a couple

36:44of weeks ago, we had a winds during the

36:46night, all of that. A big branch came

36:48down and it's a it's leaning toward my

36:51house and if it fell down, it will

36:53damage the actual house where my my kids

36:56are sleeping. So, yeah, that is my my

36:59request, guys. You can

37:03>> And where is the shed? What what is the

37:05shed made of? What's the foundation of

37:08the shed? I'm planning to uh to I mean

37:11it's a Home Depot shed and and normally

37:14they put

37:16blocks and then two 4x4 and then they

37:20put the shed on top of that.

37:22>> So there's no digging for the shed. No

37:24excavation.

37:25>> No excavation. I guess that sometimes

37:27they just to level the ground they they

37:30made you know to put those six blocks on

37:34the level is what they do normally.

37:36>> Okay. Okay, Diane.

37:39>> Um, and the I'm trying to understand

37:43from the map. I mean, I was looking at

37:44it earlier today, but um,

37:50where is the patio?

37:52>> What is going to be?

37:53>> Yeah.

37:57>> Do you want to see the map or or the

37:58picture?

38:00>> Uh,

38:02anything that we can see would help.

38:05Can do you know where it is on that

38:07plan?

38:08>> The um

38:08>> I just sent you a picture

38:10>> to the to the south of the number two.

38:13That yellow blob is the proposed patio.

38:16>> The south is uh

38:18>> down

38:18>> down

38:19>> in this.

38:22>> So that's the patio. So it's right next

38:24to the house.

38:25>> Yes, there is a there is a is a pathway

38:28from the garage to the back door.

38:31>> Yeah.

38:32I don't know if I should put a patio or

38:34just that pathway a portion of it make

38:36it wider.

38:37>> Yeah.

38:38>> So put more more pavers there. So I can

38:40put a table or or chairs there in that

38:42area.

38:45>> I will call the same person who build

38:48that paved driveway I guess.

38:50>> All right. And that is 45 ft from the

38:55um 15 or 30 foot

38:56>> the wetland flag.

38:58>> The wetland flag from the border.

39:00>> Yes. Okay.

39:08>> Okay. And the same with the shed. That's

39:10also from the border.

39:11>> Yes.

39:12>> So that's 45 to 60 ft depending on the

39:15angle.

39:16>> Yes.

39:16>> Okay.

39:21All right. Um and the trees um where

39:26exactly are they?

39:28>> They are to the uh the other side of the

39:30house. So there's the two the two yellow

39:31blobs on the we'll say the east side of

39:34the house. The higher one is the shed.

39:36The lower one is that patio. On the

39:37other side of the house is that little

39:40uh yellow rectangle. That is where those

39:41two trees are located.

39:43>> Okay. Um could you replace those two

39:45trees with native trees elsewhere in

39:47your yard, please?

39:48>> Sure. Sure. I mean you have you have the

39:51list and you tell me how to plant them.

39:54>> You will Yeah, you need to plant them

39:56and water them.

39:58>> Yeah. you have some instructions or I

40:00Google it, whatever. I'm good.

40:02>> We have all those instructions.

40:03>> Yeah, we either we have instructions or

40:05um I think the original plans for the

40:06house also prescribed how to um some

40:08tree care. So, I will I'll see what I

40:11can find for

40:12>> you have to water them for two to three

40:13years depending on the weather or they

40:16don't survive.

40:17>> Yeah, I'm good with that.

40:18>> Like once a week, twice a week, 10 to 20

40:21gallons of water

40:23>> during the growing season, not in the

40:24winter time.

40:25>> Yeah, that should be fine. I have it.

40:29>> Okay. All right.

40:30>> You good?

40:30>> No, I don't have any more questions.

40:32>> Bob,

40:33>> the only question I have is where is

40:35this um patio and shed regards to that

40:38500gallon propane tank that's on the

40:40ground there?

40:45>> Um

40:46>> we're working on it.

40:48>> The pro the propane tank. Is there a

40:51propane tank located on site?

40:53>> Yes. They um Bob had questions related

40:56to the proximity of the propane tank to

40:58the construction or to the installation

41:01of those two things.

41:02>> Yeah, I think it's in the

41:04>> Let me see.

41:05>> The propane is in that in that plan.

41:08>> Okie dokie. Let me see if I can

41:10>> You see the propane right there?

41:12>> Uh

41:14>> six

41:18is that in the

41:19>> It's hard to see it from here.

41:21>> Sorry. Yeah, it's it's um I I zoomed in

41:24so I can see better, but it's blowing

41:25out all of the details.

41:27>> Uh one sec.

41:32>> That tank is actually on that side of

41:33the house, correct?

41:36>> Trying to see it, Bob. I think you're

41:38right.

41:38>> It's located on that side of the house.

41:40Is it the I I might presume that it's

41:42the small rectangle above the patio.

41:45>> No, no, no, no. That is the septic.

41:47>> The septic. The septic. So, where

41:50>> what side of the house is it on?

41:53>> The propane.

41:54>> The same side of the house as the two.

41:57>> Oh,

41:57>> let me see if I can see.

42:09I just want to make sure it's not going

42:10to be sitting on top of that propane

42:11tank. That's all. Just

42:12>> I have it here if you want to see it

42:14here.

42:14>> Sure. Yeah, that would be very helpful.

42:20This is a propane dog.

42:22>> Okay. Yes. Yeah. If you could show them

42:24as well.

42:25Oh, okay. Um to the the

42:29to the

42:31It sounds like it's not going to be

42:32located on top of the propane tank, Bob.

42:34It's the um it's it's on that little

42:39existing rectangle on the plant below

42:41the two.

42:42>> Yeah.

42:42>> To the to the lower right.

42:46>> Okay. Thank you.

42:48>> Yeah.

42:48>> Okay.

42:49>> Okay. We're all set. Anybody in the

42:52audience have any questions? Aaliyah, do

42:54you have any questions?

42:55>> Um I had a question about um that I just

42:58wanted to I guess clarification that um

43:00so you are propo the the patio is

43:03proposed to match the existing pathway.

43:05>> Yes.

43:06>> Do you have an idea of if that is

43:07permeable or not?

43:09>> Is that what

43:09>> permeable if it allows water to move

43:11through it?

43:14>> I I I can I can ask. Yes. Yeah. If you

43:17could um we'd probably want

43:18clarification on that just to ensure

43:21that it's

43:21>> if not I can use any any other

43:24>> we would prefer it to be permeable to

43:26allow when it rains or when the snow

43:28melts for the water to simply go down

43:29into the soil.

43:30>> So I should I should ask for a per

43:32permeable material basically

43:33>> permeable

43:35>> pavers that should be fine. I mean I

43:37don't I don't we'll just make that a

43:40condition.

43:41>> Okay.

43:41>> Okay. That way you'll be awesome.

43:42>> Yeah. I'd recommend the installation of

43:44those two trees and the permeable pavers

43:45as conditions.

43:46>> Trees

43:48pavers. Okay.

43:51Is that it?

43:52>> That was all the questions I had.

43:54>> All right. Diane, would you like to make

43:55a motion?

43:56>> I make a motion that we issue a negative

43:59determination for 27 Su Street um uh

44:04with the condition that they replace the

44:06two trees that are coming down with two

44:08native trees. Um and that the um

44:13they install permeable pavers.

44:18>> Second.

44:19>> Okay. Diane

44:22>> I

44:23>> Bob

44:24>> I

44:25>> myself I You're all set.

44:27>> Thank you.

44:28>> Thank you.

44:28>> Thank you.

44:30Okay.

44:32>> 620 hotter turnpike.

44:34>> Thank you so much for keeping me on

44:36track.

44:40Notice is hereby given in accordance

44:42with the provisions of general laws

44:43chapter 131 S40 and the town of

44:46Shrewsbury wetlands bylaw and

44:48regulations.

44:50Donald um how do you pronounce your

44:52name?

44:52>> Musil.

44:53>> Museil. Thank you. on behalf of

44:55Willoughbraider Millibbury Incorporated,

44:58620 Hartford, Turnpike, Shrewsbury,

45:00Massachusetts, has filed an abbreviated

45:02noses notice of resource area

45:04delineation for the classification of an

45:08intermittent stream at 620 Hartford

45:11turnbike.

45:12>> Correct. Good evening. Uh my name is Don

45:15Museiel. I'm the director of Ash

45:17Monofils with Wheeler and Milbury, Inc.,

45:19also known as Wind Waste Innovations,

45:21Shrewsbury Monophill. Uh we've been

45:22operating on the facility here for 40

45:25years. Um with me here tonight is Liz

45:27Wilson. If you want to give yourself

45:28>> Hi Liz Liz Wilson. Um I'm with Brown and

45:31Caldwell. We're an environmental

45:32consulting firm working with Wind Waste.

45:34>> And Liz is very familiar with the site.

45:36Has been working with us for over 20

45:38years with the facility. Um but tonight

45:40we're here to uh request a

45:42reconfirmation of a designation of

45:44Summit Brook as an intermittent stream.

45:46Summit Brook runs along the southeastern

45:49corner of the property and um as you

45:51guys know it's it's a fairly large

45:52property sent it's borded by Route 20

45:55Green Street Cent Boulevard. So it's a

45:57couple hundred acres. Um this brook

45:59crosses Sent Boulevard um through a

46:02culvert that the town built back in the

46:04mid 2000s somewhere around there. Um if

46:07you want I can show you on on one of the

46:09figures. We we print out some larger

46:10figures just because I know what was

46:11submitted was pretty small. Is it okay

46:13if I

46:14>> absolutely

46:22you can see as well.

46:24So again this is the USGS just just

46:26blown up for the whole site. You have

46:28turnpike green street scent boulevard

46:31cuts through the property. Um and this

46:33is the stretch of uh Summit Brook which

46:36starts right in the middle of of the

46:37town property here. There's a little bit

46:39of a boggy forested area here. And then

46:42there's a man-made wetland through the

46:44middle right here that that Wheeler

46:45Liberator built back in the mid 80s when

46:48the site was first developed for ash.

46:50Um, and the so brook actually starts

46:52right above that blue line. And so this

46:55next one is a little bit this is all

46:58included in the application. It's easier

46:59to see when it's big. You can see the

47:01the manmade wetland here. I think it's

47:04about five acres and then the brook

47:06starts here and flows underneath the

47:08culvert across scent still within all

47:10town property here um and enters a

47:13wetland area where it starts on the

47:15other side here. This is actually a

47:16created wetland by the town on this

47:18side. Storm water basin that takes in

47:20storm water from our site as well as

47:22from San Boulevard. Um and then from

47:24here it heads off into

47:26>> Okay. Is this where the um like people's

47:30wood from wood and branches and stuff

47:32from people's yards?

47:34>> We think compost area is way

47:36>> way way way up.

47:37>> The compost area is

47:40um on this side of the site here.

47:42>> Okay.

47:42>> So, it actually flows in this direction.

47:44>> So, there's a drainage divide in the

47:46site right about here.

47:48>> So, all the water coming from this is

47:50either ground water percolating up

47:51through the ground or it's storm water

47:53coming off of our site. All

47:55right,

47:57>> nice lay of the land.

48:05>> Um, so I don't know how often

48:07intermittent streams uh come up here as

48:08a topic. Um but just you know as as an

48:11overview for everybody here um the

48:14regulatory requirements for determining

48:16an intermittent stream are you know four

48:18different days uh throughout a 12 uh

48:21month you know calendar year or not

48:23calendar year but 12 months.

48:25Um days don't have to be consecutive.

48:28They can be days just within that

48:2912-month period. And they have to occur

48:32um within non- drought conditions. So

48:34this this process we went through back

48:36in the mid 2000s

48:38with multiple days uh recorded in in

48:412005. I was actually one of those people

48:43doing those uh measurements back in the

48:45time. Uh we submitted an ANRAD just like

48:47we are tonight. Uh the commission issued

48:49an ORAD um in early 2006 that

48:52subsequently was extended in 2008 and

48:55then ultimately became in a notice of

48:57intent or an order conditions in 2009

48:59and then projects that we were working

49:01on at that time went forward. um these

49:04designations automatically sunset um

49:06after three years. So this one sunseted

49:08a while back and starting a few years

49:10ago we we went back to say okay well

49:12let's let's get that designation you

49:14know back act act active again. Um

49:17there's no projects associated with it

49:19at this point. Uh we just want the

49:20designation for long-term planning.

49:23Pardon me. Um so a couple years ago we

49:26started you know watching watching the

49:28brook. We know it goes dry. Um we've

49:30always seen it go dry. It's just

49:32coordinating that with non- drought

49:33periods. Uh last summer we had multiple

49:35days that we recorded, AIA came out and

49:38looked at it with us as well. And um and

49:40then when the the mass D's statewide

49:43drought um designations were updated, it

49:45went retroactive. So it canceled out all

49:46the observations we had made. Um and so

49:49we just been watching it close over the

49:50last year. And um and then come this

49:53past August and September, we started,

49:54you know, marching out there again and

49:56taking pictures and documenting days.

49:58And you know, ultimately the D uh

50:01reduced the the drought um status for

50:04central Massachusetts uh for going back

50:07to August 1st now.

50:08>> So all of Yeah. So their designations

50:10came out in midepptember and that's

50:13retroactive back to August 1st and then

50:15they just reissued another one last week

50:17which again is updated through September

50:191st. So all of our observations are

50:21during a non- drought period. Um we have

50:24we actually documented five different

50:25days. All the photographs are included

50:27in there. um it's pretty obvious that

50:29it's it's it's dry. Um and so, you know,

50:33we meet the conditions for that. And so,

50:34we're here tonight just to request the

50:36the intermittent determination the um

50:38for the upstream segment here um you

50:40know, be [clears throat] reinstituted.

50:43Uh and so, so really we're looking for

50:45that the downstream side of Cent

50:48Boulevard before it gets into the

50:50wetland area that's there. So basically

50:52from that culvert crossing uh back up to

50:54the constructed wetland

50:56which is the same designation as back in

50:592006.

51:02>> Did you get your file number?

51:04>> Um

51:05>> no the the D has having an IT issue with

51:10processing the uh form. So, we we had

51:13that submitted just before submitting

51:15this. Um, but been going back and forth

51:18with their IT folks trying to get the

51:20actual submitt processed.

51:23>> Right. So, even [clears throat] if we

51:26were to vote on we couldn't vote on this

51:28because there's no number. How does that

51:30work?

51:30>> The we don't typically recommend that

51:32that anything is issued without a DP

51:34file number. Um,

51:36>> it seems fine. you know, everything.

51:39>> Yeah, it probably would be a

51:40straightforward overad, but yeah, just

51:42in in the instance that D might have

51:44comments about uh the project. Um it

51:47might be something that um if it's if

51:50the portal is not work, the application

51:53portal is not working. Um I can send you

51:56the email that I typically use to submit

51:59things to D and then you can submit it

52:01via the application via email.

52:03>> Okay. Um,

52:06so maybe it'll add a little speed.

52:08[laughter]

52:10>> Um, Diane, do you have any questions?

52:12>> Uh, no, I do not have any questions.

52:14>> Bob, do you have any questions?

52:16>> I have no questions at all.

52:18>> Any Aaliyah, other than

52:20>> I do not have any questions.

52:22>> Anybody in the audience?

52:24>> No. I mean, if you had the number, I

52:25think I think all your information is

52:27valid and I think you you meet the you

52:29meet the requirements, but unfortunately

52:31without that, we can't just we can't

52:34>> Is that something that where we can

52:35continue to next month and provide you

52:37with a number as soon as we're able to?

52:39>> Yeah. So, they'll the D will also they

52:41typically will release it at at the

52:43point that they issue a number. They'll

52:45uh send both me and you guys an email

52:47letting us know what that number is and

52:49then any comments that are associated

52:50with the project. Um, and then if there

52:53are no comments, it'll either be a very

52:56straightforward uh meeting next month of

52:58just the issuance of an ORAD or um if

53:01there are any comments, we'd work to

53:03address those comments and then

53:04>> Okay.

53:04>> If

53:06>> Yeah. permitting could.

53:08>> Okay.

53:09>> So, the only thing we ask is you ask for

53:11the continuence.

53:12>> Okay. So, [laughter] uh so we request a

53:14continuence to next month's

53:16>> November 17th, I believe. Correct?

53:18>> Yes.

53:18>> Yes. And um if it's if there are any

53:21comments uh from D, you could attend

53:25virtually if if it's better, you know

53:26what?

53:27>> I like coming here.

53:27>> Well, there you go. We like seeing you

53:29too. All good.

53:31>> All right. Thank you very much.

53:32>> Thank you very much.

53:36>> All right. So, now we have a new for 90

53:40street.

53:46Notice is hereby given in accordance

53:48with the provisions of general laws

53:50chapter 131 S40 in the town of Shrewbury

53:53wetlands bylaw and regulations.

53:56Brandon Foley 236 Cross Street Norcross,

53:59Massachusetts has filed a notice of

54:01intent for the construction of a single

54:03family home and driveway within

54:05Riverfront area and the buffer zone of

54:08BVW at 90 Cherry Street.

54:24Hello everybody. Doug Dylan, wetland

54:25scientist from God consulting. I It's

54:27been a while since I've been here with

54:29you for for a hearing. So just to

54:32refresh your memories, this is the

54:33property that we did the an RAD with

54:35earlier in the spring and summer.

54:38[snorts] So using that delineation that

54:40we confirmed, we are here to propose the

54:42construction of a single family house. I

54:44have created some colorful graphics for

54:48all of you guys.

54:50>> Where's I can just pass along to

55:21All right.

55:24So, as I just said, this is a

55:27construction of a single family house.

55:28The resource areas and/or buffer zones

55:30with which this is scheduled to occur

55:33are the buffer zone to the pond BVW for

55:37this property. This is a um man-made

55:39wetland pond that used to be actually be

55:41the um fish farm for uh fish and

55:44wildlife trout restock program. So

55:48following the issuance of the ORAD, we

55:52adjusted the wetland line and designed

55:54the project around that in order to

55:55absolutely minimize any wetland impact.

55:58So for the driveway, we will be having

56:01to request variances for the 15 and 30

56:04foot. I've highlighted the portions of

56:08driveway and work for which we are

56:10requesting the variances that are

56:12highlighted in pink on your sheets

56:15there.

56:31So, the house is going to have a

56:34footprint of approximately 2300 square

56:38ft, which is a, you know, relatively

56:40standard size of new construction houses

56:42that we're seeing generally in the area.

56:44Uh this will be serviced by a relatively

56:46long driveway given the shape of the lot

56:48being sort of a hockey stick or flag

56:50shape as is um common when you know the

56:53much of the frontage of a street has

56:55already been occupied by existing single

56:56family houses. This house will be

56:59serviced by sewer. So there is no septic

57:01system proposed. Uh the sewer will run

57:05down the length of the driveway

57:07towards this side and that is seen on

57:10the site plans as well.

57:13A portion of the driveway is scheduled

57:16to occur within the very very very

57:19outermost like 6 to 8 feet of the outer

57:23riparian zone. So that has been located

57:26as far as [snorts] feasibly possible

57:29away from the riverfront area. This is

57:32the neighboring property to a um notice

57:35of intent which you may have seen

57:36recently which should have some

57:37encroachment on it. So the access to the

57:39neighbor property

57:42goes across lot lines. The current

57:45owners and the owners of that property

57:46are amendable to allowing that access to

57:51remain.

57:53And so the driveway is just

58:03>> So is there an easement?

58:07>> What? What? No. If you're gonna speak,

58:08you need to come up to the table and say

58:10who you are.

58:10>> Sure. I

58:11>> Let's let let me let's go through this

58:14and then you can come back that way it

58:15doesn't get confusing.

58:17>> Sure. Um so given the proximity

58:21requested for work to the resource area,

58:23we have done an analysis of the variance

58:26criteria under the bylaw which do

58:28believe it meets. So that's um you know

58:31if it meets the following ABCD

58:33right that it is not possible to site

58:36work farther from the buffer zones which

58:39is A B you know designed to minimize

58:43distances

58:45C site conditions are such that erosion

58:47or damage to a resource area is not

58:50liable to occur which is a very flat

58:54area um nearest to the flags where where

58:57work is scheduled to occur.

58:59Um it's it's sort of there's a

59:02prior existing farm road here which is

59:05like a gravel kind of compacted area. So

59:07it's not a very wet wetland. Uh it is

59:11you know largely wetland grasses and and

59:15there's some sort of a it's a low pump

59:18that was identified during the ORAD peer

59:20reviewview process. So it's not like a

59:22um a ponded cattail marsh which would be

59:25very liable to receive erosion or

59:27anything like that. It's a relatively I

59:29would say actually a very highly stable

59:30sort of um protrusion from the uh

59:36wetland associated with the outer banks

59:38of the pond.

59:40Um

59:44and D such work will not lead to

59:48encroachment on the resource area after

59:50completion of the project which we are

59:52looking to establish via the inclusion

59:55of a series of markers and is just we're

59:58looking to make it impossible to for any

1:00:02resident to want to move or perform any

1:00:06sort of activity closer to the edge of

1:00:08the resource area.

1:00:11Um

1:00:13that project has been designed with a

1:00:15great variety of comprehensive erosion

1:00:19control and sedimentation controls. So

1:00:21we're looking to double up on erosion

1:00:24control. This will be the straw waddle

1:00:25and the silt fence. The 10-in straw

1:00:28wall, the thicker version. Uh a rip wrap

1:00:32construction entrance to the site.

1:00:34Street sweeping is proposed for the

1:00:36duration of the project as well right in

1:00:38front of the uh public road there. Um in

1:00:42addition, we're also looking to sort of

1:00:43clean up the property. That's to satisfy

1:00:46some of the riverfront sort of criteria

1:00:48as well as just generally through its

1:00:50prior history as a farm agricultural

1:00:53property. There's a great deal of debris

1:00:56remaining on the property. There's sort

1:00:57of like these like dock and barrel kind

1:01:00of like homemade structures. I don't

1:01:02even necessarily know what you would

1:01:05call them, but they're I have pictures

1:01:06of them in the filing as well as just

1:01:08general piles of wire fence and tires

1:01:11and sort of just uh the things that

1:01:13farmers in the 80s tended to just sort

1:01:14of discard and leave in piles on on

1:01:16property. So, all of that is looking to

1:01:18be removed as a part of this project as

1:01:20well

1:01:21um for mitigation for impervious as well

1:01:26as um continued improvement of the

1:01:29property. a very very substantial rain

1:01:32garden is proposed. So that's about

1:01:342,200 ft². That's that green labeled

1:01:37polygon right there in the lower corner.

1:01:40That's about 2,000 square feet give or

1:01:42take. And that is proposed to be planted

1:01:45with a

1:01:48>> question with the with the the rain

1:01:51guard.

1:01:52>> Sure.

1:01:52>> Isn't that disturbance within the

1:01:54riverfront? So storm water features are

1:01:56allowed to be located within the

1:01:58riverfront area and such that they're

1:02:00you know providing mitigation or or

1:02:03compliance with other performance

1:02:04standards.

1:02:05>> Okay.

1:02:07So that's looking to be seated with a

1:02:09native wet mix or if you prefer and we

1:02:12can talk about this as well as if I can

1:02:13I can throw some shrubs in there but you

1:02:15know we can we can talk about that as

1:02:16the project develops and you know we

1:02:18don't have a file number as well.

1:02:20Um,

1:02:23this is obviously a post 1997 lot, so it

1:02:26does not get the larger riverfront area

1:02:29uh grandfathering. So, we've done a

1:02:31riverfront area analysis and it has

1:02:37an 801 square foot riverfront area

1:02:40allowance and the proposed permanent

1:02:43impact of the riverfront area would be

1:02:46600 square ft. So it's within the

1:02:48allotted impact range. So it's uh you

1:02:52know about 7% 8% of that figure. Um

1:02:56>> and you can't you can't move that

1:02:57driveway to the south. So it would be

1:02:59out of out of the river front.

1:03:02>> That is where the clip of the

1:03:05neighboring property's driveway.

1:03:08>> So

1:03:10all right continue with we'll get back

1:03:12to that.

1:03:13>> Absolutely. Um and so I with the

1:03:16riverfront conversation, I've done a a

1:03:18um alternatives analysis. I've I've

1:03:20given four alternatives. Um that would

1:03:24be the project as proposed, which I of

1:03:27course just ran through a no build

1:03:30scenario wherein the property would just

1:03:32remain the same. The piles of debris

1:03:34would remain the same. And that is of

1:03:36course not a substantially economically

1:03:38equivalent alternative.

1:03:40an alternate access scenario from the

1:03:43Cherry Street frontage wherein it would

1:03:45have to go um

1:03:49probably more visible on the site plan

1:03:52which you have in front of you, but

1:03:53essentially going through

1:03:56the top neighboring lot or even on some

1:03:59of the locust maps which are provided

1:04:00with the filing there as well. it

1:04:03involved essentially the creation of a

1:04:04um a 1400

1:04:08uh foot long driveway. Um and that's

1:04:12because the the applicant does own that

1:04:14property through a family relations. So

1:04:17of course the criteria states that you

1:04:19must look at properties under common

1:04:21ownership and so that's why that's been

1:04:22included. That's not feasible because

1:04:24the driveway would be nearly a quarter

1:04:27mile long

1:04:32and the alternative access would be from

1:04:35additional from 66 and 70

1:04:41uh Cherry Street or rather 92,

1:04:44apologies. Um, and that would involve

1:04:48dealing with the uh encroachment

1:04:51which would necessitate that 92 Cherry

1:04:55Street have to relocate their driveway

1:04:58which the applicant is not looking to uh

1:05:01enforce.

1:05:06And that's just the project in a

1:05:07nutshell. And I'll happily turn it back

1:05:09to the commission. I know there's sort

1:05:10of a lot going on here. And

1:05:12>> so how long is your driveway now? Yeah,

1:05:14it is. I do believe I have that there.

1:05:21336 feet long.

1:05:25>> Okay.

1:05:25>> And it's the minimum width as well, the

1:05:2712 foot.

1:05:29>> All right. Can you go back to the to the

1:05:31encroachment and and the driveway? And I

1:05:34don't understand that part.

1:05:35>> Yeah, I'm confused, too. I mean, if if

1:05:37if

1:05:38>> can you I'd like him to explain the

1:05:40encroachment of the driveway on other

1:05:42person's property before we

1:05:45>> Yeah. So, let me just go to some

1:05:48>> and I would like that person have a

1:05:49chance to speak.

1:05:50>> Certainly.

1:05:52So essentially when the neighboring

1:05:54house was built which is 92

1:05:59um that house was constructed

1:06:02where the driveway if you can uh you

1:06:05guys have the packet in front of you or

1:06:07the mass map or even or any any sort of

1:06:10uh your

1:06:12reference of choice. Uh you can see that

1:06:15the access to

1:06:19>> which you want

1:06:20>> um any of the last like

1:06:23three or four of your choice.

1:06:26>> That one's a soil map, but a similar one

1:06:28will be in the next couple of pages.

1:06:34[snorts]

1:06:36[clears throat]

1:06:40>> It's that little that little piece in

1:06:43the corner. Yes.

1:06:47So when that house was built

1:06:50um it was done in a manner where in the

1:06:52driveway was uh inadvertently

1:06:56constructed

1:06:57with encroachment to what is now this

1:07:00property. Um, and so the the my client,

1:07:04the current applicant is uh largely

1:07:07amendable to that remaining the case in

1:07:10order to minimize disturbance and

1:07:12difficulties.

1:07:14Um, and that just requires the driveway

1:07:17to be located more so on to the northern

1:07:22sort of uh nudge it north on 90 Char

1:07:27Street.

1:07:29>> So why why couldn't you move the the the

1:07:32driveway s southerntherly and and

1:07:35incorporate that piece onto the new

1:07:37driveway, thus moving it out of the out

1:07:40of the um riverfront.

1:07:42That is

1:07:45I believe there is a question of um

1:07:51it's not proposed as a shared driveway.

1:07:54So, as has been explained to me, that

1:07:56would require some um

1:07:58>> well, if you started it where you want

1:08:01to start it right now, but then let it

1:08:04curve to the south and run along the

1:08:08property line, then it's um

1:08:13mostly out it's out of the riverfront

1:08:15most of the way. and and um by the time

1:08:20it gets to the 15 and 30 foot um

1:08:26encroachment

1:08:28um

1:08:32>> well there's that still that same area

1:08:34where you have to

1:08:35>> so I would I I would like you to look at

1:08:38and and work with the with the neighbor

1:08:40and since you're doing this project now

1:08:43and you should be able to relocate her

1:08:47driveway onto her property and move your

1:08:49driveway to the to the property line and

1:08:53move it out of

1:08:55the um the riverfront. You should look

1:08:58at that. I don't see why why you can't

1:09:01do that.

1:09:02>> Sure. That

1:09:05>> you have the room to do it.

1:09:07>> Sure. as so the other thing that did

1:09:09come up during the larger design process

1:09:13of this um and we can I can have the

1:09:15engineering looked at again so but we

1:09:19did consider that

1:09:22because I can see this being a problem

1:09:23later on going down the road then all of

1:09:26a sudden you're going to push it on the

1:09:28neighbor and saying okay now you need to

1:09:30move your driveway whereas you're

1:09:31developing this piece of property now

1:09:34now would be the time to solve the

1:09:38Yeah, I can have the the applicant look

1:09:41into that. I

1:09:43the intent is for this property to um

1:09:48be, you know, developed as a single

1:09:50family house and lived in and obviously

1:09:51that will have

1:09:52>> well of course

1:09:53>> restrictions.

1:09:54>> Well, of course, but then these people

1:09:56you sell the house and then it moves on

1:09:58and then somebody else buys it and this

1:09:59this person has their driveway there and

1:10:01they they're not privy to any of this.

1:10:03>> Sure. this. So, the easiest thing is to

1:10:06relocate the driveway, her driveway back

1:10:08onto her property. You move your

1:10:09driveway right next to the property

1:10:11line, moving out of the the the the

1:10:14riverfront and and you accomplish two

1:10:17things. You should look at that.

1:10:19>> Sure. Um the other thing I just wanted

1:10:21to add is in

1:10:25moving this

1:10:27you know much more farther to this lot

1:10:29line that requires that this radius

1:10:32right here be much tighter.

1:10:35Um so just for an access standpoint for

1:10:38you know

1:10:39>> you guys can design that it we we would

1:10:42like you to move it out of the

1:10:43riverfront as much as you can because

1:10:45you have the room to do it. I mean,

1:10:47we're not asking you to go an alternate

1:10:49route through another piece of property,

1:10:50which could cost you,00 feet of

1:10:53driveway. All we're doing is asking you

1:10:55to move it uh a few feet over towards

1:10:58the property line, alleviating this

1:11:00problem with the driveway that's

1:11:01encroaching on your property and and

1:11:05moving the driveway out of the

1:11:06riverfront. So, I think that's that's a

1:11:09that's a fair ask.

1:11:11>> Sure. I will uh certainly have that

1:11:13conversation with my applicant.

1:11:15So above all else, the riverfront is

1:11:18your primary concern. I just want to

1:11:20unless

1:11:21>> that's just one. Okay. So far, I mean,

1:11:23we haven't

1:11:23>> Sure. Sure.

1:11:25>> Diane, do you have any other [snorts]

1:11:27questions?

1:11:28>> Um,

1:11:31yeah. I mean, nobody wants a a driveway

1:11:33going through uh the 15 foot zone.

1:11:38Um

1:11:48uh so that is a concern. Um and then

1:11:50with the rain garden uh you mentioned

1:11:52putting in shrubs. Um there are number

1:11:56of shrubs that that do really well with

1:11:58wet feet. They like it. So um that would

1:12:02be great. That's a that's a really good

1:12:04idea.

1:12:05I can look at I can provide that for you

1:12:06guys for sure.

1:12:07>> You're putting in rip wrap outlets.

1:12:11>> Yes. That's just to catch the water as

1:12:16it as it you know is deposited and and

1:12:19moved um across the rain garden areas.

1:12:23>> Okay.

1:12:23>> So you know reduce u channelization and

1:12:26obviously

1:12:28catch some certain level of

1:12:30sedimentation.

1:12:37Can you explain the walls?

1:12:39>> Yep. The retaining walls.

1:12:52Due to the grades on the property, the

1:12:55driveway needs to be elevated up.

1:12:59So the driveway is going to be required

1:13:02to be supported by retaining walls. So

1:13:06for approximately

1:13:1350 to 60 ft on either side, retaining

1:13:16walls less than 4T in height are going

1:13:20to be proposed in order to add that

1:13:22structural stability. These will be

1:13:23retaining walls, but you do have a

1:13:25detailed drawing for on the second page

1:13:26of that which includes drainage channels

1:13:28in the blocks or the pre-cast sort of

1:13:30the stamped, you know, when it looks

1:13:31like the stone. It's those. So, they

1:13:33have drainage channels inside and

1:13:35they'll be built with a drainage column

1:13:37behind them to catch any any runoff. Um

1:13:40there's also a um a small culvert. This

1:13:43is not a wetland crossing, but a small

1:13:47culvert is proposed under that portion

1:13:50of the driveway just to relieve any

1:13:52flowage of drainage or to allow for the

1:13:55potential um traversal of animals or if

1:13:58there's any uh um turtles or frogs or

1:14:00anything that seek to access the the

1:14:03pond and wish to go there for for their

1:14:06uh life cycle. They can do so at grade

1:14:10level and not have to deal with the

1:14:11retaining wall.

1:14:14>> [clears throat]

1:14:14>> And this area is in within the 15 foot

1:14:18um no no build or no disturb zone.

1:14:22>> Yes. Yeah.

1:14:23>> So what mitigation have you um thought

1:14:26about giving back for this disturbance

1:14:29in this 15t no disturbance? Have you

1:14:33planned any mitigation within this um

1:14:36plan?

1:14:37>> That would be

1:14:39the extended cleanup of the property.

1:14:41Um, in many cases there are these uh

1:14:45sort of docks or or

1:14:49I don't know like fish agricultural

1:14:53structures

1:14:55>> pictures of those you can provide.

1:14:57>> Yep. They're in the notice of intent.

1:14:58>> Okay.

1:15:00>> So, we're looking to remove all of

1:15:02those. There there's a variety of them

1:15:04um sort of around the perimeter of this

1:15:06pond. We're just looking to kind of

1:15:07clean it up and make it. Frankly, it's

1:15:09a, you know, it is a man-made uh wetland

1:15:12pond feature, but we're considering it

1:15:13really naturalized at this point. And

1:15:15so, you know, given that, right, we're

1:15:18we're looking to remove any of the, you

1:15:21know, really what can be debris at this

1:15:24point. So, yeah.

1:15:28>> So, with with this, and I appreciate

1:15:31that with with the design of this wall,

1:15:34>> it says by others, and I know it's

1:15:35already walk design. Do you have a do

1:15:37you have a plan of that design? I see

1:15:40detail.

1:15:40>> Yeah. On the other detail.

1:15:42>> I see the details, but you should you

1:15:44should have a design

1:15:47of the exact wall top. I see you top of

1:15:50wall.

1:15:50>> Yeah, it's uh

1:15:52>> there should be something a little bit

1:15:53more than just a detail.

1:15:54>> It shows the block and the way it's

1:15:56going to be installed like the actual

1:15:58like construction level plans. Mhm.

1:16:01>> Um the any modification to that would

1:16:04just be things like, you know, they

1:16:06needed to add like this much more stone

1:16:08because they ran into some some

1:16:09>> Well, we would we want to know because

1:16:12the material here is probably not

1:16:14suitable. So, we would want to know any

1:16:15modifications that would be made that it

1:16:17should be on. It should be provided

1:16:19because we've had a lot of walls that

1:16:22fail.

1:16:23>> Sure. Yeah. We can

1:16:24>> I don't want this one to fail.

1:16:25>> Yeah, absolutely. We can we can look

1:16:26into that either through uh a condition

1:16:28on the order conditions to provide that

1:16:30should the contractor hypothetically

1:16:33need to do so. Um

1:16:35>> well you should provide us with that

1:16:36prior as part of the package.

1:16:38>> Sure. I can I can request that of the

1:16:40engineer if they're able to do so.

1:16:42>> Bob, do you have any questions?

1:16:45>> Um you said I just have a question. How

1:16:47much you going to have to raise? How

1:16:49much material you have to move in there

1:16:51and raise up that driveway? Is that

1:16:53because you have to run the sewer line

1:16:55in? You need to raise it up because

1:16:57obviously you down deep, you're going to

1:16:58be in the water um there. So, what is

1:17:00your plan to alleviate that problem?

1:17:03>> Yeah, we don't have a volume on that,

1:17:05but I can provide a a good enough figure

1:17:08on that for you um if you're requesting.

1:17:10So, uh, it's to raise it by, you know,

1:17:12approximately

1:17:143 or so feet in order to make the

1:17:16driveway level, not have sort of a

1:17:17precipitous hump which might be, uh,

1:17:20subject to, you know, some

1:17:24storm water or or, you know, runoff to a

1:17:27unacceptable velocity. So, it's really

1:17:29to add that stability and and to allow

1:17:31this property to be accessed without,

1:17:33you know, someone scraping their car or

1:17:36vehicle.

1:17:38>> Okay. And the other question I had, um,

1:17:40what are you going to put in so people

1:17:42when they're pushing the snow, they're

1:17:43not going to push the snow into the

1:17:44resource area? [snorts] Are you going to

1:17:46put some sort of a guardrail up there?

1:17:47Some posts? Yep.

1:17:48>> What's your plan for that?

1:17:50>> Yep. Yeah, there's going to be some uh

1:17:53wooden beam post. It's also going to be

1:17:55not entirely

1:17:57at grade. There's also a large T

1:18:01turnaround

1:18:03which is mostly out of the buffer zone

1:18:07and that I believe would be a suitable

1:18:10snow area if they uh choose to have a

1:18:12plow contractor. So there's a kind of a

1:18:14hammerhead turnaround up by the the side

1:18:18of the house and most of that is out of

1:18:20any buffer zone and I would say that's a

1:18:23suitable area.

1:18:24>> Okay. Yeah. I I'm in total agreement

1:18:26about moving the driveway if possible,

1:18:28getting it further away from the the

1:18:30resource area. So, um I think you should

1:18:33probably ask for um maybe continuence to

1:18:36get off the rest of the information, but

1:18:38that's um I'm curious about the

1:18:40questions coming up.

1:18:42>> They also have not received a D file

1:18:44number.

1:18:44>> No, that right. Um, I I think you I mean

1:18:49the pictures you provided are great that

1:18:50you're going to be removing the trash

1:18:52and debris, but I I think cuz you'll

1:18:54have to ask for a waiver of the 15t no

1:18:57disturb

1:18:59>> from the from our bylaw. We need to

1:19:01grant a waiver for that. So, um, usually

1:19:04when we do that, we ask for some

1:19:05enhancements.

1:19:06>> Sure. Right. Granted, you're going to

1:19:07remove the trash, but I think you should

1:19:09provide some additional plantings,

1:19:11wetlands plantings or or or something,

1:19:13and you should show that on the plan to

1:19:16enhance some of the wetlands area cuz

1:19:17some of this some of these pictures here

1:19:19look very barren, and there's maybe

1:19:21something you can do in an area that

1:19:22that could be enhanced.

1:19:24>> Sure. I can that definitely, you know,

1:19:26we can do the the shrubs and the rain

1:19:28garden.

1:19:28>> I I would like to see something on a

1:19:30plan, a planting plan, a schedule, and

1:19:32exactly where you're going to do it on

1:19:34the plan.

1:19:35>> Yep. and there'd be a monitoring time

1:19:37and and whatnot. It's almost like a

1:19:38replication, but you wouldn't have to do

1:19:40it within a close by the resource area.

1:19:43>> Is there an opportunity to I know you

1:19:44had noted that the former farm trail is

1:19:46kind of a grally situation. Is there any

1:19:49opportunity to um enhance that area? I

1:19:53know it kind of runs through a lot of

1:19:55the 30 and 15 foot. We've not looked at

1:19:58that due to that being frankly even much

1:20:01more closer and even in some cases part

1:20:04of the resource area.

1:20:05>> Yeah.

1:20:05>> So we're not

1:20:06>> Yeah. Probably where it's located within

1:20:07the resource area you would be

1:20:09disturbance but where it's located in

1:20:11that 15 foot that might be a good spot

1:20:12to

1:20:13>> um contend with with kind of mitigation

1:20:16of the

1:20:18>> you know you're you're improving 15 foot

1:20:21buffer zone area for 15oot buffer zone

1:20:24area. then it's more of a comparable

1:20:27>> Yeah.

1:20:28>> improvement.

1:20:30>> Do you have a preference on either side

1:20:32or a particular area that we can target

1:20:34just so I can get you something?

1:20:36Essentially what I'm going to look to do

1:20:38is I'm imagining sending over like a you

1:20:42know like a site improvement graphic

1:20:43which will have the plantings which will

1:20:45specify showing you know shrubs in rain

1:20:48garden and we'll specify you know like a

1:20:50chunk of this area like you know farm

1:20:53trail to be you know ra and and

1:20:56reativized. So, is there is there a

1:20:57particular area of that that you are

1:20:59>> Kenny? Would it make sense on the um

1:21:02Oh, good good god. What's happening

1:21:04here?

1:21:04>> I I would say

1:21:05>> the south

1:21:08[snorts]

1:21:09or the Yeah, the more I don't know this

1:21:11this side of the just because there

1:21:13obviously is other work occurring more

1:21:15there than on the north side, I guess,

1:21:18of the driveway, we'll say. Does that

1:21:23>> I would say probably

1:21:24>> makes

1:21:24>> sense

1:21:25>> somewhere

1:21:30on that trail on that gravel driveway

1:21:35just south of

1:21:37the with the basin area.

1:21:39>> Yeah. I kind of called the you know the

1:21:41bend of the driveway the the that was

1:21:44kind of where my hinge point was of

1:21:45north versus south. So there's the kind

1:21:47of the former farm trail to the north of

1:21:48the bend and then the former farm trail

1:21:50to the south of the bend.

1:21:52>> We can give you we can we

1:21:53[clears throat] can send you something

1:21:54that on your plan.

1:21:56>> I'll see if I can locate um uh I'll see

1:21:59if I can do it along the the uh wetland

1:22:02flags.

1:22:03>> It's a little correct. I was thinking

1:22:04>> probably yeah adjacent to like wetland

1:22:06flag 16 to

1:22:10>> yeah 12 area. Not necessarily all of I

1:22:14don't know how much that area. Yeah. So,

1:22:16so somewhere in between 16 to 12.

1:22:19>> Yeah.

1:22:19>> Wetland.

1:22:20>> And I'll do uh

1:22:22>> I believe it was uh 400 to 500 square ft

1:22:27of driveway proposed within the 15. So,

1:22:31I'll do more than a one one restored.

1:22:33You know, make it like 500 and some

1:22:35change, 600 square feet or something

1:22:36like that to at least hit that one to

1:22:38one.

1:22:41>> Okay. All right. Um

1:22:45you you're you you be I forget your

1:22:47name. I know you're the neighbor. If

1:22:48you'd like to come up and just talk a

1:22:49little bit and we'll just

1:22:50>> Hi, how are you?

1:22:52>> Tell us who you are.

1:22:53>> Hello. How are you?

1:22:54>> Good.

1:22:54>> Well, my name is Vasela Harry Antony and

1:22:57uh I am the neighbor of 92 Cherry

1:22:59Street. Uh we have met before. Um I was

1:23:04just here to observe the uh meeting just

1:23:07um we have been talking to um so my cons

1:23:14I don't have any concern it just I mean

1:23:16I have the propane tank so when I bought

1:23:19the house um so the previous owner

1:23:23actually had the whole land and then

1:23:26when I bought the house um that piece of

1:23:29where the driveway needs to go um it

1:23:34tend to be mine because it was all grass

1:23:37was all

1:23:39u you know showing and then actually

1:23:41when I wanted to put the pool previously

1:23:44before I bought the house I said well do

1:23:46you have any pool plan and then they

1:23:48told me yeah the pool plan should go

1:23:50like c where the driveway will go. So

1:23:54that piece um so and all of the sudden I

1:23:58find out um honestly a part of that

1:24:02grass I don't own it. Uh when um when

1:24:06the previous owner they kind of um share

1:24:11their their land when their parent

1:24:13passed away. Uh but yes so like in um

1:24:18part of that there is a propane tank

1:24:22right there. Is it in the ground?

1:24:24>> In the ground.

1:24:26>> Um,

1:24:26>> is it still in use?

1:24:28>> Yeah, it's I mean it's ours,

1:24:32you know, like when we put

1:24:34>> Mhm.

1:24:35>> Um,

1:24:38pretty much that's all. I mean um it's

1:24:41kind of I mean I

1:24:44makes I mean

1:24:46well like someone building like a

1:24:48driveway behind without you know like

1:24:51knowing before. So but I I don't as long

1:24:55as you know like there is like privacy

1:24:57fences and stuff. So

1:24:59>> yeah I

1:25:01>> I understand here we are for the wetland

1:25:03and the buffer zone. Um,

1:25:06>> right. Just with something of yours

1:25:08being on somebody else's property is not

1:25:10a good thing. I mean, it they sell this

1:25:14to somebody else, they could just say,

1:25:16"Okay, move it." I mean, so I would say

1:25:18you should work together with your the

1:25:21the developer and get this resolved

1:25:24where your your tank, your driveway

1:25:27should be on your property. So I I

1:25:31that's just my thought and I don't know

1:25:32how we can

1:25:34>> how we can um agree to something that's

1:25:39on you have something on somebody else's

1:25:40property. I mean

1:25:42>> he owned it before.

1:25:43>> Well, he owned it before. So the pre the

1:25:46my um the previous owner owned the the

1:25:50other land. So like he did wherever he

1:25:52wanted because he he owned the the whole

1:25:55property.

1:25:55>> Yeah. Well, once the lots were divided,

1:25:57that's that that's where the problem

1:25:59started. The now the property that you

1:26:02own, you do not own the propane tank

1:26:05where your your your propane tank is not

1:26:07located on your property and part of

1:26:08your driveway is not located on your

1:26:10property.

1:26:10>> But I was, you know, that was related to

1:26:13to whatever, you know, deed choices were

1:26:16made to create that lot. But

1:26:19>> it sounds like part of this process

1:26:21needs to be clarifying

1:26:23>> what in the heck is going on out there.

1:26:25So, what what we're asking this

1:26:27gentleman here to do is work with you

1:26:29and move his driveway out of the out of

1:26:32the

1:26:33>> river

1:26:33>> riverfront area.

1:26:36Push your driveway to your property as

1:26:38part of this.

1:26:40>> Uh only one piece.

1:26:43>> It should be to your on your side and

1:26:46then he could move his drive he's going

1:26:48to move his driveway over to the

1:26:49property lane. So, he's out of the

1:26:50riverfront. Now, if your propane tank is

1:26:52there, it's probably going to have to be

1:26:54moved to your property. That's what I

1:26:56would suggest.

1:26:57>> Where is the propane tank?

1:26:58>> Right here,

1:27:00>> right there.

1:27:01>> So, that's that's kind of

1:27:02>> Is that correct, Doug? Is that the

1:27:04propane tank that's located on the plan

1:27:06set?

1:27:06>> No, it's on the survey site plan. The

1:27:08So, this is

1:27:10>> Is that the is that the that propane

1:27:12tank that's indicated on that plan set?

1:27:14>> I probably

1:27:16>> Yeah, I would say. Yeah, if you're able

1:27:18to provide clarification that that is so

1:27:21>> whether or not that is their propane

1:27:23tank,

1:27:23>> I would say I mean it most almost

1:27:25certainly must be then it looks like

1:27:26it's about 10 ft a little less 8 to 9.

1:27:29>> So this all this needs to should be

1:27:31worked out.

1:27:33>> Yeah, this isn't it's not really a

1:27:34conservation commission matter. Yeah,

1:27:36it's it's

1:27:37>> but it's going to be a problem.

1:27:38>> Just a little bit messy.

1:27:39>> It's messy.

1:27:40>> May I speak?

1:27:41>> And it is in the river. It is in the

1:27:43riverfront and it is

1:27:46>> it's near the river.

1:27:47>> All right. Yes, you may. What's your

1:27:49name?

1:27:49>> My name is Joanne Hubard. I live at 93

1:27:51across the street from

1:27:53>> this site. Um I just had a concern about

1:27:59so many trees being taken down in this

1:28:01area. It's all wooded. Um the other

1:28:06because the other issue is that um the

1:28:08same family has taken down three

1:28:13this house, this house and another house

1:28:15and then there was a barrier of trees

1:28:18that I didn't realize they owned that

1:28:20piece of land from Cherry Street back

1:28:22towards their land uh their big farm.

1:28:26Um, and they've they took down

1:28:3030, 40, maybe 50 trees cuz they made a

1:28:33roadway in and have been building a

1:28:36house on that site. I think it's like

1:28:39103 maybe. I don't know the number.

1:28:42>> And um it's it's a bit at an angle. Um I

1:28:47I thought maybe they were going to build

1:28:48a couple of houses there because it's um

1:28:51so they took down probably 40 or 50 tall

1:28:53oaks um to make this road road and now

1:28:58they're building a house there and it

1:29:00would I thought that driveway is already

1:29:02there now. So maybe they would come

1:29:04around the back the other way instead.

1:29:07They wouldn't be near any of the

1:29:08wetland. Um, and it would just make the

1:29:12driveway goound go behind those other

1:29:13two houses that have um fences

1:29:18and all the trees in their backyards are

1:29:21already taken down pretty much to the

1:29:23fences. So, it' be a lot less tree loss

1:29:27um and a road that's already there

1:29:29versus worrying about the wetland

1:29:31encroachment

1:29:33>> um and that kind of thing. I know it's a

1:29:35whole re kind of a re [clears throat]

1:29:36thought.

1:29:36>> Sure. I can provide some clarification

1:29:37though. that it's sort of a mirrorshaped

1:29:40lot which looks like a alternate kind of

1:29:43hockey sticker flag that was sold as a

1:29:45lot to a separate individual. My clients

1:29:48no longer own that. They're not the ones

1:29:49who are performing that work

1:29:51>> and no per my um investigation into this

1:29:54larger collection of properties that was

1:29:56found to not have been within the buffer

1:29:58zone to any sort of resource area.

1:30:00>> So I have no knowledge of that nor do my

1:30:03clients of the actual activities

1:30:05occurring on that property. So I

1:30:08can't have any. I just don't

1:30:09>> You're not building that house?

1:30:10>> No.

1:30:11>> I see.

1:30:12>> Unfortunately, because that's a lot of

1:30:14trees taken down. When they came, they

1:30:16just clearcut the whole stretch,

1:30:18probably 50.

1:30:20>> Unfortunately, we we only control 100 ft

1:30:22from the buffer zone from the from the

1:30:24wetlands resource area. So,

1:30:26>> we try to do the best we can with that

1:30:28and we're trying to do the best we can

1:30:29with this one right now to mitigate any

1:30:31any of this. So, um I would definitely

1:30:36Do you have any more questions?

1:30:37>> No.

1:30:38>> You're all set. I would definitely um

1:30:40ask if you could get together with your

1:30:42neighbor with the neighbor and and work

1:30:44out a deal to get things rectified with

1:30:46what's on this property. It's not her

1:30:49fault, not your fault, but it should be

1:30:50worked out prior.

1:30:52>> Yeah. I'll I'll have the conversation

1:30:54with my client

1:30:55>> and then move your driveway over to get

1:30:57it out of the riverfront

1:30:58>> and those other things that we had asked

1:31:00with with the mitigation. Sure.

1:31:03>> Okay. Thank you.

1:31:05>> Awesome. All right.

1:31:06>> Um I did just have one more note related

1:31:08to Yeah. Um somewhat related to the tree

1:31:11clearing is um just it it was unclear on

1:31:14the planet where the limit of clearing

1:31:15is um

1:31:17>> if you're able to establish um I know

1:31:21yeah probably the

1:31:23>> just Yeah. If you're able to provide

1:31:24>> Yeah. The there's a stone wall running

1:31:28through the back of this property. Mhm.

1:31:30>> All of that is scheduled to remain

1:31:32forested.

1:31:33>> Okay.

1:31:34>> Um I can see if I can provide some

1:31:36additional detail as to the immediate

1:31:38perimeter of the house, but I can tell

1:31:40you that the whole back area is looking

1:31:43remain forest. That's probably the best

1:31:45forested portion. It's you know more

1:31:46upwards like hill pretty good age oaks

1:31:49up there and those are those are

1:31:50looking.

1:31:51>> Okay. Yeah. if there's any any trees

1:31:52located within the buffer zone obviously

1:31:54that are that are you know

1:31:56>> specimen trees and are of high value if

1:31:58there's a way to keep them um that would

1:32:01be preferable uh but yeah just able to

1:32:04>> um

1:32:06>> you know

1:32:07>> yeah there are some larger pines but

1:32:09those are more so around the perimeter

1:32:11of the pond like over here a lot of

1:32:13what's supposed to be cleared are kind

1:32:15of the younger like black cherry a lot

1:32:17of the things that kind of you know grow

1:32:19up relatively quickly are the early kind

1:32:21of pioneers your species. Um, but I can

1:32:23I can absolutely look into that a bit

1:32:25more for you guys. Most certainly.

1:32:27>> Okay.

1:32:28>> I think that's all the the comments I

1:32:29had.

1:32:30>> All right. Um, so you'll be asking

1:32:32you'll have to ask for a continuence.

1:32:34Yep.

1:32:34>> November 17th.

1:32:36>> Absolutely. I'd like to request a

1:32:37continuence to the November 17th

1:32:39meeting.

1:32:39>> Doug, you kind of got to have an outline

1:32:43of what we'd like to see.

1:32:44>> Yep. And we're hoping that you come back

1:32:45with something very close to what we

1:32:47requested. It doesn't seem too

1:32:49unreasonable. And hopefully you can work

1:32:51with the

1:32:52>> sure your butter and work that out.

1:32:55>> All right. Absolutely. I mean, you're

1:32:56going to be working there, so it should

1:32:57be fairly simple.

1:32:58>> Sure. Um, just while I'm here, is there

1:33:01any additional questions or information

1:33:03I would like to request of the engineer

1:33:05as far as any other details? Just uh

1:33:07>> Let me run through my my short list.

1:33:10Sure. um removing the the commission had

1:33:12noted if there's a possibility of

1:33:14removing the driveway from the

1:33:15riverfront area,

1:33:16>> establishing that limit of clearing um

1:33:18for vegetation within the uh buffer

1:33:21zone.

1:33:22>> Um uh if there's a possibility of

1:33:24improving the former farm trail with

1:33:26those plantings in relation to the 15oot

1:33:28buffer restoration. Um and then

1:33:31providing an approximate volume of the

1:33:33fill proposed um with the installation

1:33:36of that driveway and that 3-foot lift

1:33:39>> and look at doing doing some type of

1:33:42enhancement from wetland flag 12 to

1:33:44wetland uh 16 or so.

1:33:46>> Yes. Sorry. Let me add that as a note

1:33:48related to the former farm trail

1:33:50improvement wetland flag 12 to 16.

1:33:53>> I I got that

1:33:54>> area. Perfect.

1:33:56>> That's all I had.

1:33:56>> Do you have anything else, Bob?

1:33:59No, I'm all set. Thank you.

1:34:01>> Thank you.

1:34:02>> So, we'll continue this to November

1:34:0417th.

1:34:04>> Thank you, everybody.

1:34:06>> Okay. We have a um continued public

1:34:09hearing

1:34:10regarding notice of intent filed by Sam

1:34:12Adams on behalf of Spectacular LLC 378

1:34:16Maple A Shoosbury for the construction

1:34:18of eight commercial retail buildings,

1:34:20five residential use buildings,

1:34:22associated access drives, parking areas,

1:34:24and utilities at 331 335 Maple Lab. This

1:34:28applicant um uh emailed in at the final

1:34:31hour to request a continuence to uh not

1:34:34the November meeting but the December

1:34:35meeting.

1:34:36>> This meeting has been continued till

1:34:39December

1:34:40>> 15

1:34:40>> 15th.

1:34:41>> Thank you.

1:34:41>> Thank you.

1:34:42>> Have a good day.

1:34:45>> Okay. How many RDAs do we have?

1:34:49>> All right. So the only thing we have all

1:34:50those RDAs that we already voted for and

1:34:52then we have um everything else has been

1:34:56continued.

1:34:58>> New and old business. Two,

1:35:01three,

1:35:01>> right?

1:35:02>> Four, five,

1:35:05six,

1:35:07seven.

1:35:09>> So we we already voted on those. So

1:35:11we're all set. We just need to sign

1:35:12those.

1:35:13>> Yes.

1:35:13>> Correct.

1:35:14>> And then Sorry.

1:35:15>> While we're signing these, we can

1:35:17>> I will Yep. chop chop jump into next

1:35:20things. Um there is not I I don't

1:35:23recommend the signing of any of the

1:35:24certificates of compliance this evening.

1:35:26Um I've not re I've either not received

1:35:28uh information related to those orders

1:35:30um or um they're just not they're not

1:35:33ready for the certificates of

1:35:34compliance. Um

1:35:37so that is kind of the sum of

1:35:38certificates of compliance. Um, I'm

1:35:41wondering if

1:35:45Come on, Pumpkin.

1:35:53>> Alia, do you need me to stop up there

1:35:54next week and sign those?

1:35:56>> Yes, please.

1:35:59>> Um,

1:35:59>> I was just going to suggest that.

1:36:01>> Yes. For in terms of updates, um, I have

1:36:05been elected as representative of all of

1:36:07the updates this evening. uh 47 Lear

1:36:09Street North I don't believe is um

1:36:12present. Dave uh Saddowski was the is

1:36:15the surveyor for that property. Um he

1:36:18was putting together. So 47 Lar Street

1:36:20North had received an enforcement order

1:36:22for the installation of a uh retaining

1:36:24wall in uh in Lakewin Sigman. Um as well

1:36:28as the kind of uh a lack of maintained

1:36:31erosion control and a lack of stable

1:36:33slopes on the site. Um we performed a

1:36:36site visit uh in September uh and had

1:36:39planned to have a plan ready for uh the

1:36:42October meeting kind of detailing the

1:36:47what were the existing conditions and

1:36:49what are now the existing conditions on

1:36:51site uh to kind of determine how much

1:36:53impact to the resource area has been

1:36:54had. Um Dave I think uh had a couple of

1:36:58other projects so he's not able to come

1:37:00tonight. Um and I've not received that

1:37:02plan but I I anticipate receiving that

1:37:04for our November meeting.

1:37:08Um 101 North Quinc Sigman A. We

1:37:11performed a site visit in early October

1:37:14at that site um and kind of established

1:37:17the so 101 North Quincigan Avenue

1:37:19received an enforcement order for the

1:37:21installation of uh for the concern of

1:37:25retaining walls uh not being stable and

1:37:28withstanding um construction uh as well

1:37:32as the instability across the site um

1:37:35and the the failure to maintain erosion

1:37:37controls as well. Um we did a we

1:37:41conducted a site visit with them. Uh

1:37:43myself, Ken and Bob uh attended that in

1:37:48early October uh to kind of establish

1:37:50what action items are um necessary were

1:37:55necessarily immediately and what kind of

1:37:57the longer term plan is. Um the

1:38:00immediate action item that needed to be

1:38:02taken was stability on site. So the

1:38:04applicant has established um has

1:38:06installed additional erosion controls on

1:38:08site um including morafi

1:38:11>> and so which is like a blanket I guess

1:38:15on top of the soil.

1:38:17>> Fabric

1:38:18>> a what now?

1:38:20>> It's a fabric. It's a geotech.

1:38:22[laughter]

1:38:22>> So a little blanket.

1:38:25>> A blanket.

1:38:26>> A blanket. [laughter]

1:38:28A geotech blanket for uh the the site as

1:38:31well. They've also installed silt fence.

1:38:33Um I might request additionally some

1:38:36waddles along inst to be installed along

1:38:38the edges. Um because if the silt fence

1:38:40is not entrenched along those edges,

1:38:42it's not doing anything. Um there are

1:38:45some images included in uh the drive for

1:38:47your consideration there. Um in the

1:38:50longer term, they have been having

1:38:54uh it sounds like delays have been

1:38:56caused by the the when during part of

1:39:00construction.

1:39:01Um it has been a fun-filled time

1:39:03throughout construction with uh utility

1:39:06spaghetti. Um there was uh the sewer

1:39:11main that's located on the site along

1:39:13Lake Quincy. There was a sewer lateral

1:39:15that fed the abuing property um that was

1:39:18affected during construction and now

1:39:20they have um found an electrical conduit

1:39:23that seems to feed the other prop the

1:39:24other abuing property on the other side.

1:39:27Um, so it sounds like there's been a

1:39:28delay related to like how to contend

1:39:32with that and how to either remove it or

1:39:35work around it. Um,

1:39:38Ken noted that it is located on this

1:39:40property. So, it it can be worked around

1:39:43because it is located on the property.

1:39:45Um,

1:39:47and it sounded like there was

1:39:52some proposed revisions

1:39:55to the final landscaping form um at 101

1:40:00North Quincig. So they are um they were

1:40:03advised that a request to amend the

1:40:04order of conditions would be required

1:40:06for any changes to um yeah what that

1:40:10final landscaping or final

1:40:12permeability will look like if it's

1:40:14going to be a patio or a instead of the

1:40:17proposed um vegetation there. Um

1:40:23they should also be in front of us in

1:40:25our November meeting to provide an

1:40:26update. Um the last one is 33 to69 Green

1:40:31Street. Um they have resolved their

1:40:33enforcement order on site um and have

1:40:36provided an update. Uh Scott from BHB

1:40:40provided an update for the site. Um

1:40:43they're continued to h they're

1:40:44continuing to increase the amount of

1:40:46area that is stabilized on site and have

1:40:48done a pretty good job keeping up with

1:40:50that. Um now that they've kind of gotten

1:40:52back to back to square one.

1:40:55Um Scott did not know any obser

1:40:58observations of um sediment or material

1:41:02beyond the erosion control.

1:41:04Um

1:41:06I did note that there's you know some

1:41:08continued trash that's kind of

1:41:10accumulated along the slopes that needs

1:41:11to be removed. Um

1:41:15but they should be they should be

1:41:16getting ready to kind of close up the

1:41:19site for uh winter soon. So, um I'll

1:41:22probably head out there either later

1:41:23this week or sometime next week to to

1:41:25see how it how it's how it's looking out

1:41:28there. Um these are also besides that

1:41:32there's the wetland replication reports

1:41:33that we received. Um these are also in

1:41:36the drives if you would like to read

1:41:37them more thoroughly. Um we received two

1:41:40wetland replication reports related to

1:41:42projects um at 8 Highland Hill Drive um

1:41:46and 124 Memorial Drive. Uh 8 Highland

1:41:49Hill

1:41:51has been uh planted and they they submit

1:41:55so they submitted their first monitoring

1:41:56report for uh the planting of those of

1:41:59those plants. That was the it was the

1:42:01construction of a single family home.

1:42:02They had a crossing of a BVW. Um so they

1:42:05were doing uh replication for that area.

1:42:08Um they also did some uh invasive

1:42:12species removal on site. So it's uh kind

1:42:15of been an improvement to the area.

1:42:17Uh 124 Memorial Drive was the um

1:42:22that had been the construction of the

1:42:24tennis court without permit. Um they

1:42:27have just they've prepped the area that

1:42:29was the rep they've yes they've prepped

1:42:31the replication area um and probably

1:42:34have received the plans by now. I talked

1:42:35to them a couple of weeks ago. So I

1:42:37believe they were planting the following

1:42:39day after I saw them. Um they so yeah

1:42:43they'll they did their whole they have

1:42:46done their whole planting and we'll

1:42:47probably submit a report in the spring

1:42:49as a Yep. the plants survived win like

1:42:52what survived winter and what's kind of

1:42:54ready to get into the growing season. Um

1:42:57they did have a proposal to change where

1:43:00they're doing a section of their rep of

1:43:02their restor or replication. Uh let me

1:43:05see if I can show us a if I do have a a

1:43:09picture of that yet.

1:43:14updates.

1:43:18This one. No. Was it this one?

1:43:23No.

1:43:28Let me share my screen.

1:43:34So, originally that is so itty bitty

1:43:36teeny tiny and useless to us. So

1:43:39originally the commission had approved

1:43:40there's a larger um this is this is it's

1:43:43hard to conceptualize but we can see the

1:43:45the tennis court um is indicated on the

1:43:48plan um there's this kind of green

1:43:51section and then the blue section to the

1:43:53south between those is where the tennis

1:43:55court is located uh right up against the

1:43:57edge of the wetland. Uh to the north of

1:43:59this section is uh the the larger

1:44:01replication area. um they were having

1:44:04trouble. There was they in order to

1:44:07access the blue section, they were going

1:44:10to have to cross onto the neighbor's

1:44:11property. Um and it's a very well-veated

1:44:14area uh to begin with. So removal of

1:44:16vegetation, removal of they have like

1:44:18fully grown trees there. So it didn't

1:44:20necessarily make sense to um remove the

1:44:23fully grown trees to do restoration. Um

1:44:27so in lie of that they're proposing to

1:44:29um enhance this that that green section.

1:44:32Um it's approximately the same amount of

1:44:36square footage. Um currently located

1:44:38there is additional like rocks and

1:44:40concrete and debris. Um as well as a

1:44:43number of invasive species including

1:44:44tree of heaven uh multifllora rose and

1:44:46some loose strife. Um it's right along

1:44:49the wetland edge. So it would it would

1:44:51be a nice enhancement um to to work

1:44:55there instead of the area where it's

1:44:57pretty well vegetated um and they have a

1:44:59little more access there. So uh they're

1:45:01anticipating

1:45:03uh they they were thinking they would be

1:45:05able to do um some very some targeted uh

1:45:09invasive species removal this fall in

1:45:11terms of like hand pulling um and

1:45:13potentially um like uh uh cut and

1:45:18dabbing. That's what it's called. Uh

1:45:21herbicide application on just the tree

1:45:23of heaven.

1:45:24>> Um I'm not sure what's what uh

1:45:28>> they will

1:45:28>> but they paint it onto the slate.

1:45:30>> Yeah. Yeah. So you cut you for tree of

1:45:32heaven you typically you'll cut the cut

1:45:34the stump and then you just put the

1:45:36herbicide. It's called cut and dab

1:45:38because you cut the stump and then dab

1:45:40on uh the herbicide and then it gets

1:45:42sucked into the stump of the tree. um

1:45:45which prevents uh tree of heaven has a

1:45:48tendency of kind of hydraying out. So if

1:45:50you cut it, it will stressfully produce

1:45:52more uh side shoots. Um so the

1:45:56installation the yeah the installation

1:45:58of the uh herbicide on that stump

1:46:00prevents it from doing that. Um the

1:46:03other ones are pretty straightforward

1:46:04removals that it's multifllora rose and

1:46:06loose strife are hand pullable. Um so

1:46:09they were going to do that this fall and

1:46:10then plant that area instead in the

1:46:12spring if it would be amendable to the

1:46:14commission.

1:46:15So, they're doing the cut and dab. Is

1:46:18that the word that you use?

1:46:19>> Yeah. I said dab. Yeah.

1:46:21>> Paint. Whatever.

1:46:21>> Yeah.

1:46:22>> Um they're doing that. They've already

1:46:24done that, right?

1:46:26>> Um I'm I'll have to get an update to

1:46:28able to do it in the fall.

1:46:29>> At this point, they're they may be too

1:46:32late because

1:46:33>> Yeah, we had wanted to kind of separate

1:46:35out the timeline in terms of like

1:46:37>> September to October. So yeah, I they

1:46:40hadn't wanted to do it they didn't want

1:46:41to do the herbicide application in the

1:46:43springtime just so that you have some

1:46:45time for the existing invasive

1:46:48vegetation to kind of die out and uh

1:46:51disperse any remaining herbicide and not

1:46:53impact any future plantings that would

1:46:55be installed in the springtime. Um so

1:46:57they were hoping to do it this fall.

1:46:59I'll have to check back in to see if

1:47:00that was actually

1:47:01>> If they wait too long then the the the

1:47:04vascular system is no longer pulling

1:47:06sugars down into the root so it doesn't

1:47:08work. Yeah.

1:47:09Okay. I will confirm whether or not

1:47:11those have been removed um yeah before

1:47:13we get into those really cold days or

1:47:15they just need to wait until springtime.

1:47:19>> Would that um is that would that be

1:47:21amendable to the commission to have to

1:47:22kind of substitute those areas?

1:47:24>> I believe that's fine.

1:47:25>> I will let the

1:47:27good Bob

1:47:28>> I'm good with that.

1:47:29>> Okay.

1:47:30>> Perfect.

1:47:30>> Um just just one question with regards

1:47:32to um Leah Street.

1:47:34>> Yes. I mean, we've been after them for a

1:47:37while to come in to this.

1:47:38>> Yeah.

1:47:39>> Have you I know you've been sending them

1:47:41correspondence and asking them to come

1:47:43in.

1:47:44>> Can you do that again?

1:47:45>> Yeah.

1:47:46>> And um if they don't come into the next

1:47:48meeting, I mean, just refer them to the

1:47:51D for

1:47:52>> similar. Yeah.

1:47:53>> Some action. I mean, because they've

1:47:57>> they totally they totally ignored

1:48:00dis disregarded the order of condition

1:48:02that was approved.

1:48:03>> Yeah. They built the wall in the lake

1:48:06and they were supposed to take it out

1:48:09and they have not come in to do any

1:48:11remediation. They haven't put the

1:48:13erosion control up. They haven't done

1:48:15anything.

1:48:15>> No.

1:48:16>> So, I would send them a letter stating

1:48:17that if if you could

1:48:19>> and then copy the D on it and then just

1:48:22let's get this rolling because

1:48:25now it's going to be winter and it's

1:48:27going to snow and then

1:48:29>> Yeah. Yeah. Well, I I hopefully the the

1:48:32draw down will help in terms of this.

1:48:34They were saying it had contributed last

1:48:37year to to the I don't know.

1:48:40>> Well, they they if they had come in,

1:48:43they probably would have had an amend

1:48:44something amended or we I know we issued

1:48:47them an enforcement order to remove the

1:48:48wall and they haven't. I mean, yeah,

1:48:50they should have come in.

1:48:51>> Yeah.

1:48:52>> I don't know what else to do.

1:48:54>> And also all the dirt, the extra dirt

1:48:56they put in and build that road.

1:48:57>> Correct.

1:48:58>> Yeah,

1:48:58>> absolutely.

1:49:04Okay,

1:49:07I think that's all I have.

1:49:10>> Anything else from anybody? Would

1:49:13somebody like to make a motion to

1:49:14adjurnn?

1:49:16>> So moved.

1:49:18>> Seconded.

1:49:19>> All those in favor?

1:49:20>> I I

1:49:22>> myself I we are journ Thank you. Thanks,

1:49:25Bob. Bye. See you.