2026-10-28 - Lake Quinsigamond Commission Meeting

00:44All set. Okay.

00:47Welcome to the Wednesday, October 28th,

00:502026, 700 p.m. uh Lake Quincigman

00:55Commission meeting.

00:59Uh

01:01I'm calling it to order now. And uh

01:05we'll have a few housekeeping uh uh

01:09motions to go through and then we have

01:11two public hearings. Uh the first uh

01:14motion to go through is re review and

01:16act on the acceptance of meeting

01:18minutes. Uh Mike, Mr. Secretary, which

01:21meeting minutes we have?

01:23>> I believe we take this as one one vote

01:25motion.

01:26>> Yeah.

01:26the the meeting minutes for July 29th,

01:30the special meeting minutes for August

01:3319th, and then the regular meeting

01:36minutes of August 26.

01:40>> Okay. Do we have a motion?

01:42>> I make a motion to approve the July

01:4429th, 2026,

01:46the August 19th, 2026, and the August

01:4926, 2026 meeting minutes as

01:53>> I'll second the motion.

01:54>> Second. Um, it's been seconded. We'll

01:57take a vote. Starting at the uh left end

02:00of the table.

02:01>> I I

02:03uh I wasn't a commissioner at the time.

02:06>> Okay. Abstain.

02:08>> I

02:09>> I

02:16Okay. I uh declare it was uh approved

02:20with uh

02:23of course uh the chair doesn't vote

02:25unless it's a tie. So there were one

02:28exception, no nazs, and seven approvals.

02:31So the minutes have been approved. Uh

02:33the next item three is review and

02:35approval of bills and expenses.

02:38>> Uh so no new bills or expenses to

02:40report.

02:41>> Okay, that was quick. Now, the first

02:44public hearing was advertised to begin

02:46at 7:10 p.m. We went through the first

02:49part of this meeting so quickly. We

02:51still have eight minutes to go in

02:55waiting. So, uh

02:59we can move on. Uh

03:03let's move on to the commissioner's

03:05reports. Uh since the chair can adjust

03:07the schedule, uh maybe we can quickly go

03:10through the commissioner reports

03:11starting down at the left hand of the

03:12table.

03:13>> Uh no, nothing to report.

03:17>> Oh, nothing to report.

03:19>> Nothing to report.

03:21>> Uh Mr. Chair, um I just want to

03:23reiterate to people that uh the planned

03:26draw down on Lake is to begin on

03:27November 1st. That's Sunday. Uh people

03:30ought to be aware relative to the

03:32vigarities of the bottom of the lakew

03:34segment that um there's shallow areas

03:37that they would have to go through to

03:39get their boat to a ramp. Uh

03:42the lake will be coming down. Excuse me.

03:45Probably uh daily. And um

03:49with the dry stretch we've had uh

03:53one may not anticipate for it to jump

03:56back up but just increasingly go down in

04:00depth. Besides that, Mr. chair in terms

04:03of looking [clears throat] out upon the

04:04water. Um it's nice to see the lake

04:07having gotten used for rowing events and

04:09there's a [clears throat] lot of

04:10waterfall around the u there's an eagle

04:13that's u perched regularly on a pine

04:16tree on the island where the uh

04:19previously there was a couple of eagles

04:21that nest for years. Swans are swimming

04:23about. There's a lot of transitionary uh

04:26Canada geese and ducks and the like. Um

04:30turbidity of the lake seems about

04:32typical at this time of the year. Um

04:35that's it. Mr. Chair,

04:36>> thank you. Mike Maddie.

04:39>> Uh nothing to report.

04:40>> Okay. Emma,

04:42>> nothing to report.

04:43>> Tim, uh the Shrewsbury Police Department

04:46has officially ended their patrol for

04:48the uh season. Um all the buoys have

04:50been removed from the lake. All our

04:52signage and our boat and jet ski were

04:55both removed yesterday.

04:56>> Okay. Thank you, Lieutenant Gulot.

04:59>> Uh, Worester has nothing to report and

05:01our B will be removed over the weekend.

05:04>> Okay. Thank you. Uh, since I reserve my

05:06comments at the end, I have four to

05:08make. Uh, first, the Massachusetts Fish

05:11and Wildlife's Natural Heritage

05:13Endangered Species Program required

05:16advanced approval for the next 5-year

05:18program for treating invasive weeds in

05:19Lakew Sigman has again been delayed. The

05:23present five-year approval ran out on

05:25October 24th, 2026. The National

05:28Heritage and Endangered Species Program

05:30is now saying approval will be in early

05:33November. But at the lake quinsean

05:36commission's request due to time

05:38constraints on implementing the drawdown

05:41they have approved this winter's lake

05:42drawdown which speaking to DCR which

05:46does this that DCR engineering division

05:49uh they informed me this afternoon that

05:52the draw down will begin this coming

05:54Monday uh November 2nd 2026 at 10:00

05:58a.m.

06:01Second item, the hydro raking of Sacred

06:03Lotus and Flint Pond has been completed.

06:06They also hydroaked the two new spots

06:08found this summer at no additional cost.

06:11The work was completed in three days,

06:13but the large amount of roots found

06:15required three times as many dumpsters

06:17to transfer them away from the lake.

06:20Third point, all the Lake Quincigamin

06:23Commission's 2026 and Viol projects are

06:26now complete. Hence, it is now time to

06:28begin working on the 2027 projects.

06:31Otherwise, the state's bureaucratic

06:33delays will push work past the weeds

06:35growing season next summer. And finally,

06:37the fourth point, all crew garders for

06:402026 are over. The last one, the

06:42Wormtown chase, was held uh last

06:45Saturday of October 24th. And the docks

06:48at the Donahghue Rowing Center will soon

06:50be removed for the lakes's winter drawd

06:52down. That's the only comments I had.

06:56And we still have three minutes left.

07:00Uh

07:02let's go to item nine. That'll probably

07:04be just at the right length. uh discuss

07:07and possibly take action on performing a

07:09draw down of Newton Pawn beginning the

07:12first week of November 2026.

07:15Any commissioners want to discuss that?

07:18I'll make a motion.

07:24>> I make a motion we approve.

07:29>> Second.

07:31>> Okay, the motion has been made. Uh it's

07:33been approved. I mean, it's been

07:35seconded. Now, do we want to vote on it?

07:37Again, starting on the left hand.

07:39>> I

07:40>> I

07:41>> I

07:42>> I

07:43>> I

07:44>> I

07:44>> I

07:45>> I

07:46>> Okay. Uh again, uh all eight

07:49commissioners voted. Uh so, the vote was

07:52unanimous. Uh uh eight eyes, no nays, no

07:56abstensions.

07:59We're moving through this quickly.

08:02Another

08:08shot.

08:09>> How about number eight?

08:10>> Do number eight.

08:11>> Do number eight.

08:11>> Yeah, let's do number eight. I guess

08:13that's the shortest. Looking the further

08:14down. Discuss and possibly take action

08:17on performing draw down of Lake Quinc

08:20Sigaman, Flint Pond, and Hubby Pond

08:22beginning the first week of November

08:242026.

08:29>> I move the question.

08:31>> Okay.

08:33Second.

08:34>> Second. All right, we'll take a vote on

08:36it then.

08:37>> I I

08:40>> I

08:40>> I

08:41>> I

08:43>> I

08:43>> I.

08:44>> All eight commissioners voted I. There

08:47were no nazs, no abstensions. It's been

08:49approved.

08:51Now, we have less than a minute and so

08:54I'm going to move back to the original

08:57schedule of our agenda. Since by state

09:01law, we cannot begin a public hearing

09:03early, though we can delay its start.

09:12[snorts]

09:52Okay, it's now 7:10. We can hold the

09:55first of our two public hearings. But

09:57before we do that, I have to make some

10:00comments about the procedures for

10:02tonight's two public meetings. Uh I will

10:05just say this once, these procedures I'm

10:08going to mention will hold for both

10:10public hearings. Uh first, Massachusetts

10:14law strictly requires for all public

10:17hearings and meetings

10:19only one person speaks at a time. The

10:22chair determines who and their order of

10:25speaking. So if you want to speak, the

10:27chair has to you have to come up speak

10:30into the microphone so all the people on

10:33the Shrewsbury TV can hear you. Uh

10:37>> give their name and address, Mr. Chair.

10:39>> Yes. And as our vice chair just uh

10:41mentioned ahead of me that they have to

10:43give their name and address when they're

10:45there. Okay. Now, in both public

10:48hearings, we will follow the strong

10:50version of Robert's rules of order,

10:52which we've already been doing so far.

10:54The the basically the three rules are

10:57the chair controls the agenda and I only

11:01vote to break a tie. Two, the

11:04commissioners make the motions, discuss

11:06them, and vote on them. And three,

11:09voting on each motion gives three

11:11results. The eyes's, the nays, and the

11:13abstensions. Finally, third, and this is

11:17very important, and this is going to

11:19hold for both public meetings. In both

11:22of these public hearings, all I said

11:24meetings, I meant hearings. So, this is

11:26going to hold for both of these public

11:28hearings. All [snorts] public speakers

11:31are limited to five minutes. after they

11:34finish speaking, if a commissioner asks

11:36them a question, they get additional

11:38time for their answer. And now finally

11:41fourth under the first amendment's

11:44public forum document doctrine public

11:47hearings have the right to restrict

11:49speech to the subject matter on the

11:52published agenda which is widely

11:54recognized by courts as a valid

11:57constitutional restriction designed to

11:59ensure the orderly transition of public

12:02business. A speaker may be firmly

12:05instructed to return to the subject of

12:07the hearing if they begin to discuss an

12:09unrelated topic.

12:12Okay, time to move on to the first

12:14public hearing.

12:18The Lake Quinc Sigman Commission will

12:20hold a public hearing on Wednesday,

12:23October 28th, 2026 at 7:10 p.m. in the

12:27Shrewsbury Police Department training

12:29room to review and possibly take action

12:33in regards to the one-year removal from

12:36Lakewin Sigman of Mr. Marinhole Karduso

12:40of 39 Brook Street, Malboro, Mass.

12:47Second point here, the Shrewsbury Police

12:50Department has requested that Lakewin

12:52Sigamin Commission hold a public hearing

12:56on this issue. The public hearing has

12:59been advertised in the media for two

13:02weeks and the Shrewsbury Police

13:04Department sent Mr. Kuso a registered

13:07letter on this issue which he picked up

13:09at the Malboro Post Office on October

13:1214th, 2026.

13:16Finally, fourth, this public hearing

13:18will take place in three ordered

13:19sequential steps.

13:22First, the Shrewsbury Police Department

13:24will describe the serious legal

13:26violations that Mr. Croduso has

13:28committed this past summer that require

13:31the Shrewsbury Police Department to take

13:33these actions. Second, any members of

13:36the public wanting to address the

13:37Lakeland Sigleman Commission on this

13:39issue will get a chance to speak. Again,

13:42each speaker's time will be limited to 5

13:44minutes. Third, the Lake Quinsing

13:47Commissioners will then act on this

13:49issue, commenting on it if necessary,

13:52making necessary emotions, and voting on

13:54them. Okay. I now want to introduce the

13:58Shrewsbury Police Department to explain

14:00why they are forced to take this action.

14:03Good evening. I'm Officer Timothy

14:05Charland of Shbury Police Department

14:06located here at 106 Maple Lab in the

14:09town of Shbury. Um we are the Shbury

14:13Police Department is looking for a

14:14trespass on Mr. Cardoza for

14:17approximately one year uh due to the

14:19following uh incidents that we have uh

14:22transitioned with him. Starting on 66 of

14:2626 June 6, 2026, Mr. Cardoozo was denied

14:30entry into the lake by our traffic unit

14:32at the boat ramp due to multiple safety

14:34violations. On 69 June 9th, 2026, Mr.

14:39Cardooo Cardardoso violated noise and

14:42liquor ordinances. He was advised to

14:44lake vacate the lake. However, due to

14:47another incident on the lake when we

14:48were trespassing him from that evening,

14:51he was being escorted off the lake when

14:53we uh were encountered by a another

14:57negligent boat that subsequently or uh

15:01ended up in an arrest of OUI boating uh

15:04for a different individual. Uh Mr.

15:06Cardardo noticed this and remained on

15:09the lake violating our uh vacate order.

15:13On June 11th, 2026, Mr. Cardoso was

15:16removed from the lake for safety

15:17violations.

15:19On June 19th, 2026, Mr. Cardoso was

15:22pulling his boat and trailer with no

15:24registration plates attached.

15:28[clears throat] On August 9th, 2026, Mr.

15:30Cartoso was being extremely disorderly.

15:33He was disturbing the peace. He was

15:35hosting intoxicated people on his boat,

15:38numerous noise violations, and he was

15:40fined and [clears throat] removed from

15:41the lake that evening on 8:15 2026. Mr.

15:45Cardardozo again was being extremely

15:47disorderly. He was disturbing the peace,

15:49posting intoxicated people on his boat,

15:51violated noise ordinances, fined and

15:54removed from the lake. Uh these are also

15:56video and audio recorded as we are

15:58mandated by the police to have our body

16:00cams worn at the time on the police

16:03boat. And then finally on August 30th,

16:062026, Mr. Cardoso crashed his jet ski

16:09into another vessel. He then fled the

16:11scene of the crash. He was stopped by

16:13Shbury police. He was intoxicated. While

16:16awaiting environmental police, he fled

16:18the scene from police again.

16:22And that is the conclusion of our um

16:26issues this summer with Mr. Cardardoo.

16:28We are again requesting a one-year

16:30trespass from the Lake Quin Sig,

16:32including himself and the two vessels

16:34that I have attached below in the

16:36documentation from the waterways of Lake

16:39Quin Sigman.

16:42>> Thank you, Tim. Thank you. Uh

16:47now, are there any members of the public

16:49wanting to address the Lakewood Sigma

16:51Commission on this issue?

16:56Please come forward to the microphone.

17:00Uh, announce your name and address

17:02before beginning. You have five minutes.

17:07>> Yeah. Thanks.

17:09>> Good evening everybody. My name is

17:10Justinda D Cruz. Address 108 Jared Drive

17:14in Lello, Massachusetts.

17:17Just finishing writing here. So, I am

17:20actually an attorney. I was hired by Mr.

17:22Cardos are not for purposes of this

17:24hearing today but for purposes of the

17:25criminal charges that were brought

17:26against him on August 30 or stemming

17:29from the incident that occurred on

17:30August 30th. Um the formal charges she

17:34the formal charges brought as a result

17:35of what occurred that day was OUI liquor

17:38uh pertaining to his [clears throat]

17:39operation of the boat unsafe operation

17:41of a motorboat um an operation violation

17:45of a motorboat intimidating a police

17:47officer and a miscellaneous common law

17:49violation. These are five separate

17:52distinct criminal charges. Um, I would

17:54note, I'm not sure if you folks are

17:55familiar with the criminal process. The

17:57first step is a magistrate's hearing.

17:59The purpose of that hearing is for the

18:00clerk magistrate to determine if there

18:02are sufficient facts to bring the case

18:04forward to an arraignment. Um, at that

18:06hearing, I did represent Mr. Cardoozo.

18:08There was an individual from the Mass

18:10Environmental Police and I do have

18:12documentation here showing that there

18:14was no probable cause found for any of

18:16these violations. So, at this time, uh,

18:18Mr. Chicago has no criminal records

18:20stemming from any of the incidents

18:21described by the police officer. I think

18:23it's kind of unfair to say that, you

18:25know, he was um under the influence when

18:27a judge or the judicial system has

18:30already determined that he was not. So

18:33um I cannot speak to any incident that

18:35occurred before August 30th. Um Mr.

18:38Cardo informed me that he did receive um

18:41violations in the past for being on the

18:42lake past a specific time that he that

18:45is allowed. Um, but again, I can't speak

18:47to any of the violations before August

18:4930th. However, I would note that

18:51everything that occurred on August 30th

18:52was found to have no probable cause. Mr.

18:54Cardoozo is a father of two young

18:56children. He I think they're three and

18:58eight. They love to go on the boat with

18:59their dad. He's married. He's been in

19:01this community for 20 plus years. He is

19:03a business owner and he has these two

19:05boats. Um, so I think you know a a year

19:08ban from the lake is a little excessive,

19:10especially given the fact that uh the

19:12judicial system already determined that

19:14none of these incidents occurred

19:15pertaining to what occurred on August

19:1630th. Um, I would also note that Mr.

19:19Cardo is not here today. I asked him to

19:21come with me. I'm doing this out of as a

19:24favor to him. You know, he's not paying

19:25me for this. I told him, you know, I

19:26don't think it's right. I'm going to go

19:28and speak to them. Um, he's not here

19:30today. He told me he does not feel

19:31welcome here. He does not feel welcome

19:33on the lake. He said I'll probably never

19:34go on the lake again. But I still felt

19:37it was important to bring it to

19:38everybody's attention that um the

19:40incidents described on August 30th, they

19:43were found no probable cause, no

19:44criminal record um for this individual.

19:47And I just hope that you take that into

19:48consideration.

19:50>> Thank you.

19:51>> Okay. Well, we thank you for updating

19:52the record so that we now know the full

19:54story.

19:55>> Of course.

19:56>> Is there anyone else who wants to speak?

20:00>> Okay. Now it's time for the lake

20:02commissioners to uh decide what they

20:05want to do.

20:06>> Do you guys want this?

20:10>> Give them to our secretary.

20:12>> Thank you.

20:25Is the uh Shbury officer here uh who

20:29filed this report willing to make a

20:31motion?

20:32>> Uh yes. I officer Charlotte on behalf of

20:34the Shoesbury Police Department make a

20:36motion for a one-year trespass to the

20:38waterways of Lake Quincigan for Mr.

20:40Cardoso and his two vessels.

20:45Do we have a second?

20:46>> Second.

20:49>> Okay, we've had a motion and a second.

20:51>> Is there any more discussion?

20:54>> I just had a clarifying question if

20:55that's okay. You had listed multiple

20:58incidents. I just want to be clear.

21:02Was the attorney talking about just one

21:04of those dates or all?

21:06>> My understanding was the date of the

21:0830th. She was just talking she

21:11Okay.

21:12Thank you.

21:16>> Okay, if there's no more discussion, we

21:18can take a vote.

21:19>> I

21:21Dean

21:22>> I Matt

21:24>> I

21:25>> Mike

21:26>> I Maddie

21:27>> I

21:30>> T

21:30>> I

21:32>> Okay, we have a unanimous decision eight

21:35votes to uh trespass Mr. Kuso. uh no

21:39nays and no abstensions. So I declare

21:44this public hearing is over and now it's

21:47time to move on to the second public

21:48hearing.

21:51Again I mentioned at the beginning uh

21:54how this is going to operate exactly the

21:56same as the first uh public hearing.

21:59Now, the second public hearing is

22:05the Lake Quinc Sigman Commission will

22:06hold a public hearing on Wednesday,

22:08October 28th, 2026 at 7:20 p.m. It's now

22:137:22, so 2 minutes late. That's

22:15perfectly fine. in the Shrewsbury Police

22:18Department training room to review and

22:20possibly take action on adopting a rule

22:24banning houseboats on Lakewin Sigman.

22:26This public hearing is to allow those on

22:28the sides of on both sides of this issue

22:33to expect their views on the pros and

22:35cons of allowing floating residential

22:37living quarters on the lake. Okay. Uh

22:42I have to interject here with some

22:45facts.

22:46mainly due to the fact that we had a

22:49short five minute Zoom meeting two weeks

22:52before this meeting to vote on getting

22:56the notices in the paper in the media

22:58that we would hold this public hearing

23:00which Massachusetts law requires and

23:03that was the sole subject but we had one

23:05individual call in and ask if he could

23:07speak and wanting to be polite we let

23:09him speak he brought up a subject which

23:13uh we didn't expect and We want to uh uh

23:18provide some data on that subject before

23:20we go on with the rest of this hearing.

23:23So due to public comments at the Lakewin

23:26Sigman uh commission special meeting on

23:28October 7, 2026 at 6 p.m. to schedule

23:32this public hearing, some known

23:34historical facts concerning Lakewin

23:36Sigman need to be mentioned.

23:41First, no floating stationary structures

23:44of any size or length or motorized

23:47vessels vessels of any nature used as

23:50floating residential structures i.e.

23:53Husboats presently exist on Lakewin

23:56Sigman

23:57or have existed on Lakewin Sigman in the

24:01recent past according to existing

24:03records. This fact is due to num

24:06numerous longestablished Massachusetts

24:09state laws. The first three relevant

24:12laws out of very many are briefly

24:15summarized below. The Massachusetts

24:17chapter 91 public waterfront act that

24:21residential docks, peers and accessary

24:25residential water dependent structures

24:28are to be open air, unenclosed and

24:30roofless. two much stronger rule on

24:34great pawns. on great pawns. The

24:37Massachusetts chapter 91 now wetland

24:40protection act that a roof alters

24:43rainfall distribution and restricts

24:46sunlight penetration to the lake bed

24:48underneath requiring local conservation

24:51commission boards to reject their use

24:53over water as this creates shadow shadow

24:57footprints that disrupt that disrupt

25:00shallow water ecological habitats.

25:03Finally, third, because the Commonwealth

25:06of Massachusetts owns the land below the

25:09natural low water mark of all great

25:12pawns in a public trust.

25:15It can prohibit building or stationing

25:18any permanent overhead floating

25:20structure and does so to prohibit

25:24squatters rights.

25:26Hence, the Lake Quincigamin Commission

25:30is considering adding this rule to

25:32clearly inform lake users of the facts

25:35that are buried deep in these existing

25:37laws, not to dra drastically change or

25:41modify existing laws.

25:50Okay. Uh the next step is anybody want

25:55to particip anyone members of the public

25:57want to speak on this issue.

26:04Again, your name and address.

26:09>> Evening guys. Uh my name is Sully

26:11Roberts. I'm at 268 Southwind Sigman

26:13Avenue. Um I have provided full written

26:16testimony um which I had provided. I I

26:18hope the attachment worked in the email.

26:20Um and I I sent in two letters to kind

26:23of keep the topics separate um as you

26:25referenced chairman. Um so I just want

26:28to in the interest of time um kind of

26:30skip ahead

26:33but um with full acknowledgement of the

26:36legitimate threats posed by unregulated

26:38houseboats. I strongly me recommend that

26:41the use of evidence-based strategies for

26:43addressing any homelessness caused by

26:45any housebo clearances on Lake Quin

26:47Sigman. The US inter agency council on

26:50homelessness or USIC recommends that the

26:52process must be implemented in a humane

26:55and traumainformed way and the goal must

26:57be to connect every person to housing

26:59and services to help them overcome and

27:02avoid future experiences of

27:03homelessness. Nowhere can the need for

27:06dignity, respect, and trauma-informed

27:08services be stressed further than for

27:10the astonishingly high percentage of

27:12veterans who are homeless. 20% of the

27:15male homeless population in the United

27:16States and 5.3% of the total homeless

27:19adult population. In addition to

27:21connection with local housing and

27:23services, all veterans encountered as

27:25part of housebo clearances should be

27:27referred to the US Department of Veteran

27:29Affairs. The veteran services officers

27:31for Grafton, Shrewsbury, and Worcester

27:33and local veteran services nonprofits

27:35such as Project New Hope, Soldieron, and

27:38Veterans Inc. I recommend that the Lakew

27:40Quincigan Commission review U619

27:42strategies for communities to address

27:44encampments humanely and effectively,

27:46which itself contains a lot of uh

27:48multiple helpful resources and technical

27:50assistance on the recommended strategies

27:53um precisely for public bodies just like

27:55the Lakewin Sigman commission for

27:57incorporation into any housebo clearance

27:59policy and procedure. I am extremely

28:02heartened by the fact that chief among

28:03these strategies is something that you

28:06folks do on a continuous basis.

28:08establishing cross- agency multis-

28:10sector responses to issues that account

28:12for all of the constituents affected for

28:14housebo clearances. I suggest augmenting

28:16that response process by looping in

28:18local public health and housing agencies

28:20to address any people who may be

28:22displaced.

28:24Finally, please consider the fact that

28:26these house votes may encompass the

28:27entirety of occupants belongings,

28:30particularly for folks experiencing

28:31chronic homelessness. Clearances and

28:34evictions are a devastating loss of

28:36important medical records. documents

28:38needed to access benefits, military

28:40service records and medals, and

28:41priceless family momentos and photos.

28:44There should be a reasonable process for

28:46short-term storage of housebo documents

28:48belongings that allow them to claim

28:50reclaim their property without immediate

28:52fear of losing everything. I hope that

28:54this testimony aids in your

28:56deliberations and the continued

28:57protection of Lakewood Sigman and its

28:59waters. Please let me know if you folks

29:01have any questions.

29:06Thank you.

29:07>> Thank you very much for speaking. Is

29:08there anyone else present who wants to

29:10speak? Yes,

29:17>> please. Your name and address.

29:19>> I'm Paula Collins, 31 Flag Road,

29:21Shrewsbury. Um, I am uh wanted to talk

29:25not about what's covering a housebo, but

29:27in fact what might be coming out of the

29:29bottom of a housebo. I wanted to you to

29:31consider as you're thinking about this

29:32proposal where the surge waste would go

29:35if you were to allow these kind of

29:37vessels to be present especially as a

29:39long-term especially as a housing

29:41option. Um I believe um I am currently

29:44still looking at one that should have

29:45been removed already uh in my cove over

29:48on Flint Pond. Um and my concern is what

29:50is happening there if there's someone

29:52living there. I don't believe it's

29:53occupied. Um, and I do, you know,

29:56support if anybody is homeless that was

29:59happen to be living in one of these

30:00structures. I don't think that's what

30:01we're talking about at this moment. Um,

30:02but that that be considered as you're

30:04putting your policy together if someone

30:05was actually living there. But I believe

30:07the policy is to not even allow someone

30:09to come on to begin with. So, um, that

30:11should not be an issue. But my concern

30:13is absolutely the, you know, from a

30:15conservation perspective and the water

30:17quality is where is that surge going?

30:19because as far as I know at our ramps we

30:21do not have a storage dumping station

30:23like a campground. Thank you. Okay, we

30:26we thank you for uh your bringing this

30:29point to us and I just should mention in

30:31the published media we had additional

30:33laws that I didn't bother to just quote

30:35now pointing out that the the lake

30:38commission is extremely concerned and

30:40does have rules regarding the discharge

30:43from uh uh any sort of boat that

30:46someone's permanently living on as well

30:48as the problems of the health

30:50departments and others of Shrewsbury

30:52Worcester and Grafton of trying to

30:55maintain that the fact that these

30:58systems did not leak and uh what happens

31:02to a boat that removes those systems. We

31:05sort of understand from years of

31:07experience on the lake when when there's

31:10a drinking party there and there are no

31:12toilet facilities. You know what happens

31:13when the people uh need to go. So yes,

31:17that is a very serious point and and it

31:19has it is also cons considered under

31:22other Massachusetts laws and other lake

31:24commission laws. Uh finally, I believe

31:26we have someone who wants to speak to us

31:29online from from a great distance. Uh

31:32can the media people bring him up?

31:37>> Yes. Um hi, good evening everyone. I'm

31:41Paulo Martins, one Sergeant Island.

31:44Thanks so much for the opportunity to

31:46speak. I hope you can take into

31:49consideration my concerns about the

31:52range of this bin.

31:54And as you know, um I I had a boat that

31:58it was oversized 34 feet that was 4 feet

32:01over the limit. And I'm already working

32:04to to remove this boat out of my

32:07property. It's just taking long because

32:10um because of the size of the boat only

32:13few boat haulers are capable and at this

32:17time of the year is very difficult but I

32:19already have an appointment for November

32:212nd and I apologize for this delay

32:25and um and I actually had asked the

32:29lakemon commission before buying this

32:31boat and and I unfortunately have now a

32:35very large financial loss.

32:37But um I I my question now is um because

32:43I'm concerned that this rule is very p

32:46prescriptive

32:47like one size fits all and and it

32:52restricts individual liberties without a

32:54strong rationale and I think maybe this

32:57rule can be decided on a case by case

33:01basis. It has never been the liquid

33:03sigamon commission rule for many years

33:06and I think it restricts too much the

33:08freedom of taxpayers.

33:11Um I'm wondering if this banning of the

33:13house boat that you're proposing could

33:16be only for house boats that are for

33:19residential use or for boats with

33:21toilets. And I'm even wondering if I

33:24could buy or have a boat that is smaller

33:29like 25 feet boat with no toilet not for

33:34residential use. There are some platoon

33:37boats in the lake already that have the

33:39same type of roof. It's double decks.

33:42And regarding the reason that you said

33:44to protect the lake environment because

33:46of the shade, it's not very strong

33:50on scientific basis for that. It's maybe

33:53it's overrated. I don't think it's no

33:56different than having a boat under a

33:59boat leaf with a canopy. The level of

34:02shade it will be the same. Are we going

34:04to b are we going to ban like a boat

34:07leaf with canopy as well? So it might

34:10have huge implications and not sure if

34:13the impact of the height and shape of

34:15the roof roof on the lake mic

34:18environment is is less than having a

34:22million of gallons of sewage that comes

34:24into the lake every year. As we all know

34:27it has been um

34:30happening every year and we we don't

34:33find a solution for that. Also many

34:36gallons of herbicide that are used on

34:38the lake in Sigamon for plant control,

34:41algo control. This is not selected and

34:44this poison kills many types of algae

34:48and plants and it's not selected.

34:51There are also many tons of salt and ice

34:54melter for roads, ice, snow control that

34:58is washed out in the lake every year has

35:01a huge impact on the lake micro

35:04environment and nobody cares about it.

35:06many pounds of lawn fertilizer and weed

35:09and bug control that are washed out on

35:11the lake every year from the backyards

35:15that are washed out on the lake and not

35:17less drops of gas and oil on the lake

35:21has huge effect as well. So um also

35:26outside boats can carry the risk of

35:28bringing invasive species and I think

35:31particular if you have a small boat that

35:34are not used for residential use that

35:36has no toilet. There is not a a big

35:40reason to be banned from the lake and I

35:43hope that you uh consider this points of

35:46not having

35:48but selected. Thank you so much and

35:50appreciate for your time and for your

35:52service. Thank you. Uh, Mr. Martens,

35:58is there anybody else who wants to

36:00speak?

36:02>> No.

36:04Okay. Then, uh, we open this up to the

36:06commissioners. Do they have any

36:08questions they want to ask or

36:11what do they want to do? Yes, Mike.

36:14>> Mr. [clears throat] Mr. Chair, um

36:17I have a lot of concerns in terms of

36:21allowing hospitals or vessels of any

36:23nature um uses floating residential

36:26units. Um the vagarities of the lake um

36:30and it's

36:32particularly narrow in a lot of

36:33stretches. Um I think would constrict

36:37the lake further in terms of narrowing

36:39it. uh most concerned in the terms in

36:42terms of the fact that there's no pump

36:44out on the lake. So uh people could talk

36:47all they want about

36:49having a sealed uh toilet on such a

36:53vessel, but uh mother nature calls

36:56people going to have to relieve

36:56themselves. Um um the lake has had

36:59enough insults from sewage as it is um

37:02over the years. Uh everybody knows about

37:04that. Um

37:06and um

37:08I I would like to make a motion, Mr.

37:10Chair, that we could discuss uh the

37:13motion would be that house boats or

37:14vessels of any nature used as floating

37:17residential units or dwelling structures

37:21are prohibited in Lake Sigman, including

37:23both vessels with motors and floating

37:25stationary structures of any size or

37:28length. Um I'd like to hear from fellow

37:32commissioners as to whether they might

37:35be uh agreeable to such a motion and as

37:37to whether someone would second it and

37:39thus then vote on it. Thank you, Mr.

37:41Chair.

37:42>> You're welcome.

37:43>> I would second that motion.

37:44>> The motion is seconded. Is there any

37:47further comments on it?

37:49>> Um I did have a comment.

37:52Uh this is drawing inspiration from

37:56chapter 91. Is that correct? I'm not

37:58sure that we have the legal authority to

38:01uphold

38:03chapter 91 jurisdiction.

38:08>> Not being a lawyer, I cannot really.

38:12>> For the record, I'm

38:14>> comment positive or negative. I I I I do

38:17understand what you're saying and I do

38:20understand your concern, but I do not

38:22have the training or background to

38:24comment on it. you know, either a

38:26positive or negative firm conclusion.

38:29>> Okay.

38:31>> I believe, Mr. Chair, the Lakewood

38:34Simmon Commission does have the

38:35authority to uh adopt such a rule.

38:40>> Oh, sure. I just I I meant chapter 91

38:42jurisdiction specifically, whether or

38:44not we have the legal authority to apply

38:46or uphold that.

38:48>> Well, general, right, right, Mr. Chair,

38:50we

38:50>> definitely have the legal authority.

38:52>> I mean, I I Mr. Chair, I believe your

38:54wording is consistent. is what you're

38:56saying with chapter 91. So it mimics

38:58what chapter 91 would do. I think the

39:00lake commission itself is is forming its

39:03own rule which it can do.

39:09Also it seems like with the housebo it

39:12could also fall outside the 91 where as

39:15was already proposed there was no

39:17there's never been a housebo on the

39:18lake. Part of the commission is to

39:20protect the integrity of the lake. um

39:23house boats open to residential

39:26um people living overnight. So

39:30this it may not even have to fall on

39:34chapter 91 in terms of protecting a lot

39:36of other structures. Um so I think it's

39:38reasonable to vote on it and using this

39:41wording um just as a a protection to the

39:45lake. Yes, I I agree wholeheartedly with

39:48you on that that uh we certainly can do

39:51that and it certainly makes it much

39:54easier for people such as Mr. Paulo

39:57Martins to quickly look at the short

39:59little list on our website of what the

40:01late rules are to determine what he can

40:04do ahead of time rather than having to

40:07depend on uh getting deeply buried into

40:11Massachusetts chapter 91 laws. Yeah, I

40:14feel like if we focus on chapter 91,

40:17anybody can come from whether docks,

40:19lifts, everything and it could be

40:21challenged

40:23interpreted many many ways where this

40:25would make it very clear. Yes, this the

40:27whole point of this is to make it very

40:29clear uh uh to to prevent people from

40:33getting involved in horrible complex

40:35situations where they end up having to

40:37either pay to remove things that they

40:40moved in ahead of time or have legal

40:44fights where they have to pay lawyers.

40:45We we want to just make sure that all of

40:47the lake users clearly know what is

40:50allowed and is not allowed. And we have

40:53the authority, is my understanding, to

40:56uh create new rules on the lake to make

41:00the lake uh available for the largest

41:03number of people who want to use it.

41:06>> Any further comments?

41:08>> Yes, Mr. Chair. Um I just want to

41:11confirm something and correct me if I'm

41:13wrong. We currently have a bylaw or in

41:17regards to anchoring a normal vessel

41:20overnight

41:23in the waterways like staying

41:25residentially for one night. Is that

41:27currently one of the bylaws or am I

41:29>> It doesn't spring to my mind.

41:33>> I I was pretty sure there was something

41:35about staying over.

41:39>> Yeah. According to my when you rule read

41:41the rules, it has to be a morbo

41:44boat.

41:45>> Correct. Not anchored out in the middle.

41:47>> Yeah.

41:48>> Right. Okay.

41:49>> Including docks and boats from what I

41:50read.

41:51>> Yeah. So, that uh just brings up that my

41:54question is we're we're strictly looking

41:57at people that are using boats for

42:00residential purposes in the future. And

42:02this does not just for people listening

42:05that this does not automatically mean if

42:07their boat has a sleeping quarters and a

42:10toilet in it that they can't be on the

42:12lake. This is just for long-term

42:14residential. Am I on the same page here?

42:20>> I believe you are.

42:21>> Okay. All right. Very good.

42:26But if that bylaw uh is in fact in there

42:28about that, that would also cover in

42:32theory house votes if they were floating

42:35up [clears throat] amongst certain

42:37areas.

42:38>> Yes. Any further comments

42:41>> through the chair? I I want to thank

42:43everybody for their comments, but I

42:44especially want to ask you, did somebody

42:47that was a veteran, was that the person

42:49that was supposed to be living on that

42:50house only because you mentioned that?

42:52>> Not that I'm aware of. Well, I just it

42:55it veterans and homelessness are so

42:58closely aligned that there's usually

43:00just something to cover.

43:01>> Okay. Thank you.

43:05>> Okay. Any any further comments? Um,

43:08would it be useful to specify in the

43:11language a number of days or nights just

43:16to make it like very clear

43:19that [clears throat] it's not, oh, it's

43:20okay for two days versus no days.

43:24Mike Liberty and I reviewed uh the laws

43:27and house votes on a number of other

43:29states and in particular uh not just

43:32state laws such as New York, New Jersey,

43:34Tennessee, but also uh uh other large

43:37lakes and other states and the laws and

43:40uh the point only point I'm making here

43:43is uh they did go into great detail

43:48about uh if there was a house vote it

43:52had to be located in commercial dock had

43:54to be moved every 24 hours. It uh and on

43:58and on and on and all sort of

44:00restrictions about how often it had to

44:02be moved and and how long it could stay

44:04in a point before they had squatters

44:06right over the lake bottom just made the

44:09law so long and complex that we decided

44:13to make this one very very short and

44:16compact. uh saying since we don't have

44:19any house votes, people living in alum

44:22now that uh just let everybody know that

44:25it would be illegal uh to start doing

44:28that from this point on.

44:33Uh my my personal feeling is that the

44:36more we try to add special

44:41requirements such as anchorage times and

44:43where they can anchor and same is going

44:46for uh pumpouts, which we don't have any

44:48pump outs in the lake and how often and

44:50there there are some states and and

44:52counties that require the people to

44:54leave the boat for uh a number of hours

44:56every single day. So, it's not a

44:58residential living quarters. It gets

45:01very very complex, but worse yet

45:03provides all new sort of openings for

45:06someone to question it in in various

45:09ways to see if they can find a loophole.

45:13Any

45:18further comments?

45:21>> Okay, then I guess we have to take a

45:23vote on Mike's motion.

45:24>> I

45:26>> I

45:28I

45:31>> I

45:32>> No.

45:33>> I I Okay. Uh it's not a tie vote. I

45:38can't vote. We had eight people vote.

45:40One day, seven uh eyes. The motion is

45:44passed.

45:49Okay, that concludes uh the second

45:52public hearing part of this meeting and

45:56now we can go back to the regular part

45:58of the meeting. We have done number

46:01four, the first public meeting, number

46:04five, the second public meeting. That

46:07leads us down to six, public

46:10participation.

46:12Is there anybody who wants to get uh

46:15make comments? This is now the public

46:18hearings are over. This is a regular

46:20meeting where public participation is

46:22allowed. Uh any member of the public who

46:25wants to come forward and speak for

46:26three minutes can come forward and

46:28speak. Do we have anyone who wants to?

46:33>> All good. No one. Okay.

46:367 8 and 9 we did waiting for the 710 to

46:40arrive. Uh now we come to one of the

46:45more common items here but a very long

46:48and complex one is item 10 discuss and

46:52possibly take action on the quincigan

46:54rowing association's 2027

46:57spring rowing schedule. This will be

47:00presented by Tad Gumulus of the QR.

47:11>> Good evening. I'm Thag Mulan with the

47:12Quinton Rowing Association. I have

47:14copies of the schedule. If you don't

47:16have them in front of you, do you want

47:17some?

47:25So, uh, what we're we have next year

47:28actually is, um, a shorter schedule than

47:30we typically have. Uh, we're starting a

47:33little later and we are, in fact, ending

47:35the weekend before Memorial Day. Um, so

47:39on [clears throat] that list in front of

47:39you, you see several weekends beginning

47:42April 3rd going all the way to May 22nd.

47:45um with you can see the yellow

47:47highlighted ramp closures are the larger

47:50riata days, the the championship riatas

47:53um that take uh a little more time, a

47:56little more uh effort. Um and just to go

47:59over stuff we discussed previous this

48:01fall, uh after if you uh vote on this

48:05and approve it, we do end up bringing it

48:07forward to the fishing and boating

48:09access, get their approval. We go

48:12through environmental police get their

48:14approval and as needed uh uh DCR uh if

48:20we're hosting regata out of their

48:22facilities or not.

48:25[clears throat]

48:28>> Yes. Yes. Excuse me. Parks and wreck as

48:30well. Yes.

48:35>> I might ask questions.

48:37>> Yes, you may. um relative to um

48:42our procedure u Mr. Secretary of they

48:46made application in terms of permits

48:48>> all applications complete what they're

48:51proposing.

48:56>> We have an understanding. Let me

48:58articulate as we said it before that u

49:01people who uh live on the race course at

49:04the north end of the lake want to

49:06proceed say south of the Route 9 bridge

49:09that at wake speed they're able to do it

49:11on the Shbury side of the lake.

49:13Yes, absolutely.

49:14>> Yes, understood.

49:16>> Thank you.

49:18>> Okay, just a question. Uh let's see. Uh

49:21the New England rowing championships,

49:23they've got the ramp closed. The uh the

49:27National Invitational Rowing

49:28Championships, you got the ramps closed.

49:31The men's sprints, you got the ramps

49:33closed. And then the neuro practice and

49:36and

49:38uh Bugatti, you got them closed for the

49:41uh high school kids. uh back on April

49:4324th. Uh that's not a a named regard why

49:48you want the ramp closed that day.

49:50>> So it's not well it specifically is the

49:52new MAC championship. Uh so the new MAC

49:54conference holds their championship that

49:56day. Yes. Correct.

49:57>> The name was

49:58>> Yeah. No. Right. Correct.

50:00>> Okay. I I understand. Thank you.

50:05>> Okay. Any more questions or comments?

50:08>> Who's the CU?

50:10Say again.

50:11>> CU Clark University.

50:18>> Just a question. Is this different much

50:21from the last couple years?

50:23>> No. No. It's very similar to what we've

50:25done. Um

50:27>> with ramp my question is is um we have a

50:30ramp closure um every Saturday and

50:33Sunday for the month of May

50:35>> on the weekend.

50:37>> Okay. And and so what we do is we also

50:39um I believe part of uh your rules we

50:42have a large uh banner in on in front of

50:45the boat ramp that says all the days

50:46that

50:47>> Right.

50:47>> Yeah.

50:52>> Any other comments?

50:56>> I make a motion we we approve the uh

50:59races as submitted.

51:01>> Do we have a second?

51:02>> Second.

51:04>> Okay, we have a motion and A second on

51:08it. Do we want to vote on it?

51:10>> I

51:11>> I

51:12>> I

51:12>> I

51:13>> I

51:14>> I

51:15>> I

51:16Okay, it's been moved approved

51:19unanimously as there were no nazs and no

51:22exceptions.

51:23>> Thank you.

51:24>> Thank you.

51:29Item 11,

51:32>> update on new dock application for 262

51:35South Quinn Signal Manav from Shrewsbury

51:38Conservation Commission.

51:40>> U Mr. Chair, I believe um the applicant

51:43responded to our agent and said that

51:46there would be no work on shore.

51:49Um so the conservation commission would

51:52have no issue with that part of the

51:54application. Um,

51:57>> so we're all set.

51:59>> So, we're all set. And I guess I we

52:01should check uh with the secretary. Has

52:04the the problem with the uh the check uh

52:09and that wasn't cashable been solved?

52:11>> Well, I haven't acted on that. I was

52:13waiting on, you know, the decision from

52:16the board and then I can approach Mr.

52:19>> Okay. So if we we can uh approve this uh

52:24uh uh on the condition that the uh the

52:26check that's approved will pay

52:28>> and we schedule most likely visit

52:32efforts and I thought it's going to be

52:33installed this year but I'll try to get

52:34with Mr. Martin and see what plans are

52:37when he's going to install it.

52:39[clears throat]

52:41>> Mr. Chair, do we know what the dock is

52:42made of and how it's going to be

52:45anchored and whatnot? Maybe perhaps we

52:47should have a little bit of information

52:48on that for ourselves.

52:50>> Yes.

52:51>> Other than that, I mean, I I think it's

52:53fine to have in the block. We just need

52:54a little bit more information.

52:56>> Yeah. Yeah. Yes. To my knowledge, we

52:58have no information whatsoever on the

53:00block.

53:00>> Just dimensions.

53:02>> Just the dimensions, but nothing about

53:03his materials.

53:06So, uh we if we make a motion to

53:08approve, we can either make a motion to

53:10approve this subject to that information

53:12uh being given to us and uh and it being

53:16positive or we can uh uh wait till we

53:19get that information before we make a

53:21motion and vote on

53:24>> perhaps Mr. Chair, it would be best to

53:26see the total package. That way we know

53:29exactly what's going in there before we

53:31vote on this. I mean, I don't think

53:32he'll be putting it in until spring

53:34anyway. So, it's it's not like we're

53:35impeding his his ability to use the

53:37lake.

53:38>> Yes, it would certainly be easier next

53:40meeting to once we have that information

53:42to simply approve the dock than to

53:44somehow have to go backwards and get

53:46into the discussion about the material

53:47not being appropriate.

53:50>> Okay,

53:51>> Mr. Chair, just to be clear, so you want

53:53me to send him a position what we're

53:56looking for?

53:58to be clear. Both items, the the check

54:01has to be cleared and we need uh a

54:04description of the the dock, its

54:06materials, what it's made of, and any

54:09further information if uh identical

54:12docks have been used in other waters.

54:16>> One, i.e. if it's floating, if it's

54:18fixed, you know, is it is it setting on

54:22the bottom on on Yeah.

54:24>> Okay.

54:26Uh so it's a complete description of the

54:29document

54:31up. Okay. Uh number 12 update on removal

54:36of oversight vessel from Flint Pawn

54:38Shrewsbury Police Department.

54:42Um I don't have anything further. Um

54:46Lieutenant Caviston still that's

54:48handling that. Um but as Mr. Martin said

54:51stated in his testimony on the hearing

54:55uh it sounded like he indicated that the

54:57vessel is going to be removed on uh

55:00November 2nd and I would uh one just

55:04question on whether or not that's the

55:07water's going to be drawn by then or you

55:08think it'll be after that. Well, the

55:10actually the uh the DC uh uh Department

55:14of Conservation Recreation uh their

55:17engineering division is going to start

55:19lowering the water by 6 in at 10:00 a.m.

55:21on November 2nd.

55:23>> Okay. So, that should not affect uh even

55:26though it is Flint Pond where both the

55:28dams located and the house boats

55:29located. Uh that 6 in shouldn't affect

55:32the removal operation. So, I I would

55:35recommend that since if he has an

55:37appointment and it is late in the season

55:39to get it out and it probably is

55:41difficult to find someone to move a

55:43large house boat that we give him the

55:46time of November 2nd to have it removed

55:50and um further check in on November 3rd

55:53and then um I can touch base with my uh

55:58ranking officials on how they would like

56:00to proceed if the vessel is still on the

56:02lake.

56:04Okay,

56:06cut that, Mike.

56:08All right. Uh, number 13, update from

56:12Wister Lakes and Pawns, Katy Mil.

56:25Good evening. My name is Katie Lying

56:27[clears throat] and I'm the lakes and

56:28ponds coordinator for the city of

56:29Worcester. Um great to see a couple

56:32couple new faces all couple days. Um so

56:35for some updates from our program, we do

56:38water quality monitoring and some lake

56:40management and public outreach. If

56:42you're not familiar with the lakes and

56:43ponds program, our final monitoring day

56:46was today. So my colleague Nick Pagan

56:48was out on the lake um collecting

56:51nutrient uh samples and temperature and

56:55salt oxygen as well. Um, so we completed

56:5924 sampling days over the course of the

57:02season and if you're interested in

57:04learning about the results, those will

57:06be published in our annual reports and

57:08we also present them at our annual state

57:10of the lakes event held each winter. Um,

57:14the we might be changing up the format

57:15slightly and I will be um absolutely

57:18promoting it to the commission. Hope to

57:20see many of there many of you there. Uh

57:23this past Saturday was also our final um

57:27WCMC monitoring event, which is our

57:30volunteer cyobacteria monitoring

57:32program. So this year we had volunteers

57:34sampling at Lake Park and Flint Pond. Um

57:38over the course of the season,

57:39cyanobacteria was typically rated as low

57:42or or very low at both sites. Um which

57:45is pretty consistent with previous

57:47results.

57:49Next, and um nearly finally um Project

57:53Blue Worester is an initiative that's um

57:56the city of Worcester has been leading

57:57to identify and understand sources of

58:00pollution, primarily phosphorus, and

58:03design solutions to address it. Um the

58:06result of this plan will um or the this

58:10plan will result in us being eligible to

58:12apply for grant funding to implement

58:14some of the the projects. And we are

58:17excited to invite everyone um

58:19commissioners and everyone in the public

58:21to attend a public meeting to review the

58:24draft final version of the plan. So

58:26that's coming up this uh next Wednesday,

58:30November 4th at 7 o'clock. Um it'll be

58:33about an hour and a half over at the

58:34Western Marine Corps League or there is

58:37also Zoom participation possible. So, if

58:41you're interested in attending um either

58:44either modality, you can go to

58:46worcesterma.govbluespace

58:50and under the project blue section,

58:53you'll see a link to register for the

58:55Lake Quin Sigman meeting. Um and once

58:57you fill out the registration form, I'll

58:59email you um the initial meeting

59:02materials and the Zoom link and all all

59:04the information. You can also fill out

59:06the form if you can't make it and you

59:09but you just want to receive a copy of

59:11the draft final report as well because

59:14we'll be collecting written public

59:16comment um for a couple weeks after the

59:18meeting too. Um so happy to have any

59:22input. Um I'm looking forward to

59:24updating you on its implementation over

59:25the next coming years as well.

59:28And finally, um, this likely was covered

59:31last time, but just since I wasn't able

59:33to make the September meeting, I just

59:34wanted to publicly thank Barbara Kickham

59:36for her many years of service as the

59:38president of the watershed association.

59:40Um, so the watershed association has

59:43been a fantastic partner and very

59:45grateful for for their support and um

59:48hope that many additional members of the

59:51Quinn Sigman community will be

59:52interested in continuing to partner as

59:54well. So, thank you very much.

1:00:00questions.

1:00:02>> Good job.

1:00:03>> Yeah, good job.

1:00:05>> Thank you. Good job for doing the hard

1:00:07stuff up here, too. Appreciate it.

1:00:09>> Uh, moving on. Any correspondence to

1:00:12review? Mike,

1:00:15>> you chairman if you want to review any

1:00:25notarily ological order here, but um one

1:00:29came in from 44 old case regarding uh

1:00:35uh pine needles being raped into the

1:00:38lake. Uh

1:00:39>> yes, I saw that one. And unfortunately,

1:00:42she wanted us to say something to her

1:00:46neighbor who raked them in, but she did

1:00:48not inform us who her neighbor was.

1:01:02Um, the next one was a report of some

1:01:05hunting on Oak Island came in earlier in

1:01:08the month.

1:01:09>> Yes,

1:01:10>> I don't know where that

1:01:11>> this is the second time apparently those

1:01:14people who have constructed some sort of

1:01:17blind on Oak Island and duck hunting

1:01:20there has come in. The first complaint

1:01:22was they were shuing everybody who was

1:01:24trying to go by in their boat saying

1:01:25they were chasing the ducks away. Uh uh

1:01:29I referred this matter to Lieutenant

1:01:31Cavison and he said he was looking into

1:01:33it on the first instance but um I think

1:01:37we I should make a point of notifying

1:01:39him about now the second complaint about

1:01:42the same situation. Apparently, there

1:01:45was also some third complaint about that

1:01:48duck blind that uh was made, but there

1:01:50was no information by who and when.

1:01:53>> Okay,

1:01:54very good. Um I I think I just made a

1:01:56mistake when I mentioned 44 road as the

1:02:00raking pine needles. That's actually off

1:02:03the south segment. Uh the 44hole fate

1:02:06was in regards to um just talk questions

1:02:10handled already.

1:02:11>> Miss Mr. Alisandro. No, no, this is this

1:02:14is number 44

1:02:1710 128 whatever. Um,

1:02:20we do have the old faith uh road

1:02:23correspondence. That's if you wanted to

1:02:26expand on that. There was an email that

1:02:28came in today that I sent out on a

1:02:30separate cover.

1:02:30>> Right. I saw a copy of that and I

1:02:33invited him to come to the meeting and

1:02:35please explain uh all of the parts that

1:02:39were left out of his various emails so

1:02:41the commissioners could really

1:02:43understand what's going on. Uh is he

1:02:46here tonight?

1:02:48Apparently no. I Yeah, you know that

1:02:53um

1:02:55the dad is sent in his the other

1:02:57correspondent was his uh race schedule.

1:03:012027

1:03:02>> and then two emails from Kelly Roberts

1:03:06on speaker tonight where he spoke about

1:03:07house votes

1:03:08>> and then there was another uh copy of

1:03:11his he had some comments regarding the

1:03:13September L2C meeting testimony given

1:03:16there.

1:03:16>> Um those are the items that were

1:03:18correspondents from the last meeting

1:03:23>> I plan on responding to him as soon as I

1:03:25can get to it regards the second letter

1:03:27he did not speak about tonight. Okay.

1:03:31and Alejandro

1:03:33on old page.

1:03:36>> Uh to me,

1:03:39similar to when I asked you to review

1:03:41all emails and we finally went through

1:03:43and saw how many there were since July,

1:03:45>> right?

1:03:45>> And and trying to that to to put them in

1:03:48some sequence other than just temporal

1:03:50order to to to make sense. Uh, I think

1:03:54the only thing we can possibly do is ask

1:03:56him to please. Now, according to his

1:04:00email, I came in at 4:30 this afternoon

1:04:02with a couple of documents from the

1:04:04court filing. At least I was able to

1:04:06pick up from that that the court has

1:04:08finally ruled on it. But the the bottom

1:04:12line is he has to come to us and explain

1:04:15the complete story of what's going on.

1:04:18all these peacemail emails just

1:04:21basically left me more confused each

1:04:23time I get a new one.

1:04:25>> I think we might need a um I mentioned

1:04:28this I suggest this before certified

1:04:30block

1:04:32>> maybe post decision.

1:04:34>> Yes, that was one of the documents

1:04:37>> that was one of the documents he sent.

1:04:38It wasn't certified but it was a chicken

1:04:41before the egg. You know,

1:04:43>> it was the pot plan that the judge used

1:04:45to to make his

1:04:50Okay, that's all of the correspondence.

1:04:53Uh, now it's time to set the next

1:04:56meeting day. It turns out the last

1:04:59Tuesday in November is the 25th, which

1:05:02is the night before Thanksgiving. That

1:05:04has, I think, problems. But the next

1:05:07Wednesday, December 2nd, would be very

1:05:11appropriate, particularly if we want to

1:05:14cancel the December meeting as we

1:05:16normally do and start the new year off

1:05:18in January.

1:05:20Any thoughts by the commissioners on

1:05:22>> I would agree, Mr. Chair, the Wednesday

1:05:24is December 2nd, probably most

1:05:26appropriate.

1:05:29>> Can we get this Wednesday?

1:05:32>> I can put in

1:05:34>> Okay, Tim can put in for

1:05:36So, should we tenatively then vote for

1:05:41if we can get it to have the meeting in

1:05:43this room on December 2nd, 2026?

1:05:49>> Uh, should we have a motion for that?

1:05:51>> That will also forego the December

1:05:53meeting.

1:05:54>> That will also forego the December.

1:05:55Correct.

1:06:00>> You want to make a motion for the date?

1:06:02Make a motion that the next meeting of

1:06:03the Lakeland Silver Commission be on

1:06:05December uh 2nd, Wednesday at 7 PM as

1:06:09this room might be available for the

1:06:11commission's business.

1:06:12>> Okay. Thank you. A second.

1:06:14>> Second.

1:06:15>> Second. Should we take a vote on it?

1:06:19>> I I

1:06:22>> I

1:06:23>> I.

1:06:26Okay. All eight people voted I. So I

1:06:28declare that this was approved

1:06:30unanimously. There are no may votes and

1:06:32no abstensions now. We need a final

1:06:35motion on item 16 to join. Do we have a

1:06:38meeting? A note a motion.

1:06:42>> Make a motion, Mr. Chair, that we

1:06:44adjourn our meeting for today.

1:06:45>> A second.

1:06:46>> Second.

1:06:47>> Let's take a vote on it.

1:06:48>> I I

1:06:50>> I

1:06:51>> I

1:06:51>> I

1:06:52>> I

1:06:54declare that the motion to adjourn was

1:06:56unanimous. All eight votes were I. Thank

1:06:59you [clears throat] all both to the

1:07:01public and to the commissioners.

1:07:05[clears throat]

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