2026-09-15 - Conservation Commission

01:15[clears throat] Good evening. I'd like

01:17to call the meeting to order. Uh first

01:19item on the agenda is to review and

01:21approve minutes and we do not have any.

01:25The second item on the agenda is to sign

01:27bills.

01:28>> There's just one bill from the community

01:29advocate.

01:3711.

01:56Okay, we are um on to meetings and

01:59hearings.

02:01Bob, do you want to read this one

02:02because I've recused myself from this?

02:05>> It's going to be continuated continued

02:07public meeting regarding requested

02:09termination of applicability for the

02:11file of Mitchell drivetrain service of

02:13384 Harford Turnpike shoes brief the

02:16after the fact approval for removal of

02:18trees regrading and laying asphalt

02:21millings at 50 Clue Street. Is there

02:23somebody here from Mitchell drivetrain?

02:28We'll just hold this.

02:29>> Aaliyah, I was going to ask were we

02:32because we did briefly mention that um

02:36because he was having to do storm water

02:39for the permit, do you think it would be

02:42safe to issue a positive and just have

02:44him submit that NOI with the storm water

02:47or was that not part of his

02:51plan? I um because we had not heard from

02:55him, I I had not heard from him

02:56separately and we had not received

02:58updated uh storm water information.

03:00>> Okay.

03:00>> Um I can reach out to him this month and

03:04see if um [clears throat] let him know

03:06that that probably the the work that he

03:09is proposing or has already completed is

03:11something that's a little bit larger

03:13than a request for determination.

03:14>> Yeah. Um and that it might be speed the

03:18process up a little bit if he if he

03:20scooches forward with a notice of intent

03:22filing.

03:22>> Yeah.

03:22>> And then we can issue a positive at our

03:24next

03:25>> and then

03:25>> cycle them out.

03:26>> Yeah. Perfect.

03:27>> So okay.

03:30>> Uh but I guess continue for now.

03:33>> Yeah.

03:34>> In his absence.

03:37>> Okay.

03:39Okay. Okay. A new public hearing. Hereby

03:41notice is given in accordance with the

03:43provision of general laws chapter 131

03:45section 40 of the town of Shoesby

03:47wetland bylaws and regulations that

03:49David Batada behalf of Lake View Landing

03:53Trust 135 Elm Street Worcester Mass has

03:55filed a request for termination of

03:57adopability for a retaining wall repair

04:00190 South Sigma Nav. There's someone

04:03here from 190. Thank you Mr.

04:17Good [clears throat] evening.

04:18>> Good evening. I'm Joe Graham. I'm the

04:20engineer um that presented the the RDA

04:23to you tonight. Um the proposed plan at

04:26at the this condo association

04:29is to repair an existing retaining wall

04:33um and

04:36utilize the the current draw down of of

04:39the lake in order to do repairs to the

04:42existing retaining wall um that can be

04:45shown in the photos. The existing

04:46retaining wall has slumped a little bit

04:50into the lake and the goal is to repair

04:52that in kind reutilize as much of the

04:56existing rock as possible. Um, and we

05:00feel that this is a repair aspect of of

05:04the work and we're requesting

05:05determination of that. Um if not we will

05:08file a notice of intent but we will the

05:11goal here is to replace in kind the

05:14length of that retaining wall um to

05:17install um a silt boom obviously during

05:20that aspect of work to make sure that we

05:22are doing this work in accordance um and

05:25also

05:27um I think one of the questions had come

05:29up during review of whether or not there

05:32would be mortar in in the joints of the

05:35retaining wall. Um, we would like to

05:38we're proposing to utilize mortar for

05:41the structural integrity of that

05:43retaining wall so it does not slump. If

05:45you notice on one of the ladder

05:47pictures, it's uh somewhat slumped or

05:50you can see right where that green line

05:51is. Uh, yeah, right there you can see

05:53it's slumped into the lake a little and

05:56we want to utilize the a repair

06:00technique that would, you know, prevent

06:01that in the future. We obviously want to

06:04also be cognizant of the aesthetics of

06:06the wall and um and the the lake shore

06:10and

06:12we would um rake the mortar joints back

06:14so it would present itself as a drylaid

06:17um retaining wall to try to match in

06:19kind as as best as possible.

06:23Um so that's the anticipated scope of

06:25the work. Um, we plan on, you know, it's

06:28a lot of hand work by a mason to

06:31reinstall and to work with the existing

06:33stones, but we're looking to do that.

06:35Um, and instead of bringing new rock

06:38stones in and and creating a larger

06:41disturbance.

06:43Um we anticipate this work to to be

06:46done, you know, prior to, you know,

06:49obviously the getting closer to the end

06:51of the the good weather, but um this

06:54year, you know, um imminent upon

06:58approval um

07:01and we're happy to answer questions.

07:03>> So,

07:05how will you um

07:08treat the concrete slab that's above it?

07:11The concrete slab that is above it looks

07:13like it was a previous type of repair.

07:16Um, now it looks like it was somewhat of

07:19a stop gap for what could have been

07:22slumping and fines running behind the

07:23wall. We believe that um that concrete

07:28slab um has deteriorated and and should

07:32be removed and that the utilizing the

07:35the stones and the mortar and um

07:40that uh

07:42for for the wall um we'll render the we

07:45won't need to utilize a concrete slab on

07:48top. Um,

07:51>> so you're going to remove the concrete

07:52by hand,

07:54>> correct? Yes. This is uh a lot of hand

07:57work to to chip that area out.

07:59>> And then

08:00>> then you rebuild the the existing walled

08:03in kind.

08:04>> Correct.

08:04>> In its same location,

08:05>> the same footprint.

08:06>> How do we know that it's going to go

08:08back into the same area? How do we know

08:10it's not going to move out or do we have

08:12a survey of this?

08:13>> Yep. That'll be my job. I'm sorry. I'm

08:15I'm Robert O'Neal. um the licensed land

08:18surveyor for the project that we'll

08:20provide a before and after location of

08:22the wall.

08:24>> Okay.

08:28>> Um Emily,

08:30>> I do not have any questions for this

08:33project.

08:35>> The only question I have is you're

08:37taking all that cement out all the way

08:39back to the other wall, correct? It's

08:40all coming out. What's going to be put

08:42back in there to stop stuff from running

08:44into the lake after that's taken out?

08:46>> Yep. Um, as you can see, much of the

08:48stone that has slumped into the lake. We

08:50anticipate that the bulk of that would

08:53be able to be reused as um structure for

08:56the for the rock wall. If if not, um

09:00we're hoping to minimize right new new

09:02stone being put in. But we will uh in

09:05order to maintain the the level grade in

09:07that area, um we anticipate, you know,

09:11minor um new new stone to be installed,

09:14but

09:16Um

09:18not not significant amount I guess is if

09:22that answered your question. Sorry.

09:24>> Yes.

09:26>> How do you how do you anticipating

09:28getting all the materials to here?

09:30>> Um this will all be so previous repairs

09:32were um actually done on the the far end

09:36of of this photo where there we repaired

09:39the stairs and the landings. So

09:41everything will have to be hand

09:43wheelbarreled down that hill in that

09:45area and and put in. Um

09:49>> and and just to get back to your survey,

09:51Bob, do you have a a a pre an existing

09:55condition survey?

09:56>> Yes.

09:56>> Provided in this packet?

09:58>> I I don't know if Joel,

10:00>> we did not provide a

10:03existing condition survey, but we do

10:05have one um because we have some history

10:07in that this site. So we can provide

10:09that um as a post certainly can provide

10:12that.

10:12>> Okay. Um Diane,

10:15>> no I don't have any questions.

10:18>> What do you have any questions?

10:20>> Um yes. Yeah, I would recommend a

10:22special condition related to providing

10:24that preervey before the before work

10:27begins. Um and then I also had a

10:30question about um yeah, currently it is

10:32kind of slumped. Are you

10:36maintaining a bit of of an angle with

10:38the construction? Are you planning to

10:41prop it back straight?

10:42>> Correct. We are planning to prop it back

10:44as as straight as we, you know, possibly

10:46>> can get it. Are you anticipating that

10:47any additional uh back fill will be

10:50necessary to keep it?

10:52>> I don't think we're moving it that much.

10:54Um that would that would factor in.

10:57>> Okay. And then yeah, with the with the

10:59removal of a couple of inches of um that

11:03concrete on top, it sounds like there's

11:06the proposal of additional rocks going

11:08up there. But are you are you

11:10anticipating that you'll have that much

11:12rock material to make up for the what is

11:14it? Three or four inches of

11:16>> Yes. Uh throughout the the length of the

11:18wall, if further down in that that

11:20photo, I don't know if this one does it

11:22justice, some of that concrete has

11:23deteriorated and it's no longer, you

11:25know, three or four inches. is much less

11:27and as you can see right it's it's kind

11:29of undulating throughout that we want to

11:32maintain a level of grade so there's no

11:34tripping hazards or no hazards along the

11:36edge

11:37>> okay um I might also recommend a special

11:39condition related to if there is any

11:41excess that is going to be above the

11:43wall once the wall has been completed

11:44that it be removed from the site just so

11:46that it's not um over topping

11:49>> okay

11:52>> I think that's all for me

11:53>> um with with respect to removal of the

11:55concrete How much concrete are you going

11:57to remove? Cuz it's quite extensive.

12:00>> It is I mean it's about 3 and 1/2 ft

12:04wide by 4 in thick. It will it will take

12:07a it will it will take an effort to to

12:10remove that but um we will do do that by

12:13hand.

12:13>> So you're not removing that just looking

12:16at the pictures all the way back to the

12:17existing poured concrete wall where

12:20these where these chairs are sitting.

12:22You're not going to remove that?

12:24>> No. No. I'm sorry. So, it's just a

12:26there's a level cap of that concrete uh

12:29back near where the grills are and in

12:32the in the the chairs. That's more of a

12:34gravel stone area. It's there's a cap

12:37mostly on the wall.

12:38>> So, so where this this picture here, it

12:40shows shows the concrete pad going back

12:42to the um pound footing the the major

12:46wall. So, that's staying. You're not

12:49removing that,

12:50>> right? This is just solely on that

12:52retaining wall edge. So, one of the

12:55pictures shows the existing wall

12:57underneath that concrete cap. So, are

13:02you going to put the new wall in front

13:05of the concrete cap or where? Because

13:08the a concrete cap is should be the face

13:11of wall.

13:12>> Correct. Yes. Yes. That if I think I

13:15understand. Yes. That that concrete cap

13:18is will be that face of wall that same

13:21alignment. Um, but as I said, that that

13:26concrete cap goes back about threeish

13:29feet um from

13:34um from this photo you can see here. And

13:37we would be maintaining that front edge

13:39so we're not impeding on the lake, but

13:41um

13:43relaying and redefining that that wall.

13:46As you can see, it's severely slumped in

13:48that that area.

13:53I don't know if I

13:54>> So with the with the existing conditions

13:57plan then you're going to show

14:01a proposed plan and we should have a

14:03proposed plan and you should show the

14:05extent of where that cap is going to be

14:07disturbed the disturbance.

14:08>> Yep.

14:09>> So we should have the existing

14:10conditions plan the proposed and then an

14:14asbuilt.

14:16>> Yep.

14:17And the the asbuilt should meet the

14:20existing conditions plan pretty much. It

14:22shouldn't extend any more into the lake

14:24than than what the face of the wall.

14:26>> Correct.

14:29>> Um Aaliyah, do you do you want to wait

14:32to get the existing conditions planned

14:34next for next meeting or do you want to

14:37>> Yeah, that might be more feasible.

14:38>> Do you want to do this as an or do you

14:40think this is sign this is okay?

14:47Do we have do you feel comfortable with

14:49control and whatnot if we get this

14:51information?

14:56>> I think we do have an understanding of

14:59it. It does sound like it is anticipated

15:00that that a pre and post plan will be

15:03submitted um which is usually our

15:06biggest requirement for uh for these

15:08undertakings just to ensure that the

15:10wall is not you know moving into our

15:13resource areas. Um, I think it would

15:16make sense to

15:18either ex Yeah. Extend that extend this

15:21hearing until we receive one of those

15:23pre-plans or is just issue a um close it

15:26issue a positive determination or

15:27request an NOI. I don't know what the um

15:32I don't know if any other commissioners

15:34have any. I guess my thought is

15:38>> Emily. [clears throat]

15:39>> Yes. Sorry. Um, I guess I have I'm just

15:42looking at there is a proposed plan, but

15:45I'm not seeing um

15:48grades in the location of where the wall

15:51is being placed. So maybe that

15:53information could be helpful when um you

15:57know when an asbuilt comes in and to

15:59compare pre and post grading um because

16:04there is a zone a flood plane associated

16:08with Lake Quincig. I don't know what the

16:11uh that elevation is. Um that would be

16:14my only kind of hangup would be just

16:17ensuring that there's no changes to what

16:20would be considered bordering land

16:22subject to flooding.

16:26>> So yeah, in the at minimum it may be

16:29good to continue the hearing until we've

16:30received the existing conditions plan.

16:33um if you're able to add the flood plane

16:36elevation um to the plan just to ensure

16:38that the wall is currently meeting the

16:39flood plane elevation for the for the

16:41lake um and that any

16:44restoration is not going to further

16:46impede on that um

16:50>> right so there would be an existing

16:52conditions plan uh with elevations

16:56um a proposed wall plan limit of work

17:00shown wall cap disturb urbance

17:04>> and then an asbelt and with all the

17:07elevations and to show exactly where

17:09this is placed and it's got to got to be

17:12it's got to be built back in the exact

17:14same position that it is.

17:15>> Okay.

17:15>> So, can you come back to us next month

17:17with that?

17:19>> Yes. Yep.

17:20>> And then um we'll that's and if you have

17:24any questions in the meantime, just

17:25reach out to make sure we get all this

17:27information. Otherwise, I know you need

17:30time. The draw down is going to happen.

17:32um sometime in late late October,

17:35November. So,

17:36>> you should have time to get this to us

17:38so we can um so you can do your work.

17:41>> Yeah, I got most of that information

17:43right now. But yes, absolutely.

17:45>> Yeah. Put all the information you think

17:47we're we're asking for on that so we

17:49have it and um we can look back at it

17:53when you complete your work and make

17:54sure it's exactly what you said you were

17:56going to do.

17:57>> Okay.

17:57>> Okay.

17:58>> Definitely.

17:58>> All right. So, we're going to continue

18:00this till you're going to continue this

18:03till October 20th.

18:04>> Yes, please. Please.

18:05>> Okay.

18:06>> Thank you.

18:07>> Thanks so much.

18:08>> Thank you.

18:19>> Okay. Bet.

18:22>> Okay. Notice hereby given in causes with

18:25the provisions of general law chapter

18:27131 section 40 of the town of Shoesby

18:29wetland bylaws and regulations that

18:32Kirish Shawwami

18:34vendar sorry for killing that five oak

18:38metal circle Shrewsbury has filed

18:39[clears throat] a request for

18:40termination of

18:42the installation of a shed and fence at

18:44five oak metal circle here. Okay,

18:51>> good evening.

18:55Um

18:56I'm trying to install a

18:58>> Can you state your name and address

19:00please?

19:00>> My name is Krishna Swami Wanka Chaman

19:02and I'm a property owner of five work

19:04circle.

19:05Um what we're trying to do is to install

19:08a shed and then a partial um encumbrance

19:14of like my property of the fence for

19:16just to make my dog to play safe in the

19:19backyard. So there is already a flatten

19:22quite enough flattened u land that I

19:25have in backyard. So we are just

19:27installing

19:29tough shed fabricated by tough home home

19:32depot. So

19:35I'm just like asking because it's it's

19:37just in the proximity of the petlands

19:40that is there in my property but there

19:42is about like more than 28 to 30 ft in

19:45the the side that I'm trying to install

19:48which is um Yeah.

19:52>> So all you're doing is installing a

19:56shed? installing a shed and putting a

19:58fence around

19:59>> and a fence

20:00>> partial because I'm not my property goes

20:02all the way down to that in but I'm not

20:04putting a fence over all that.

20:06>> You're not doing any earth work. You're

20:08not doing any grading. You're not

20:10cutting any trees?

20:11>> No, not part of this one.

20:13>> Okay. Um Emily,

20:17>> um

20:18where what is the is the fence location

20:21the two or what is the fence location? I

20:25guess is

20:25>> the fence location is going to be um my

20:28property line on the left and going all

20:31the way back to that shed just behind

20:34that shed. So it's going to go against

20:36towards my my property. So,

20:40anything just behind the f fence is what

20:43I behind the shed is what is my fence is

20:46going to be along my property lines and

20:48then it goes back to my property. So

20:51that it just makes sure there is a safe

20:53um

20:55like safely encumber so that my dog can

20:58play without getting into any of the

21:00wooded area.

21:03How far away is the shed from the B or

21:07not the shed rather uh the fencing away

21:10from the BBW or is it

21:12>> I don't think I understand exactly where

21:16the fence will be on the Is it the south

21:20edge

21:22>> um

21:22>> that it's proposed?

21:24>> Yeah, the behind the shed you mean

21:28behind the shed?

21:30Uh

21:33on the

21:35So it's installed you're proposing to

21:37install it along the the rear property

21:39edge.

21:39>> Yes.

21:40>> Where else? In order to make a

21:42container.

21:43>> It's stopping right there like know

21:44where I I marked it there which is there

21:46is a quite enough of um my property line

21:50goes but I'm not using that because it's

21:53it's too much to fence it. I really

21:55don't need that area to be fenced. So,

21:57I'm basically like making sure the

22:00amount of uh place that I wanted to make

22:03my dog to play around. So, I just don't

22:04want it to go all the way down to that

22:06line, which is far into the woods. I

22:10don't want to go that way. That far.

22:11>> It's very difficult to We don't know

22:13what line you're referring to. So, are

22:14you going to be putting a fence between

22:16your neighbors in on your back property

22:19line?

22:19>> Only on the back for a for a

22:23for a like 80% of my property line.

22:27And there is a

22:28>> there is a survey being done.

22:31>> Can you can you walk up to the screen

22:32and just show us?

22:34>> Sure,

22:35>> please.

22:38>> So,

22:48>> okay.

22:50>> And my property goes all the way down to

22:52here.

22:52>> Right.

22:54So, the shed will be proposed on the

22:56exterior of the fence.

22:57>> Yeah.

22:58>> Okay.

22:59>> Or inside the fence?

23:00>> Inside the fence.

23:01>> Inside the fence.

23:02>> Inside. Because I'm going to come here.

23:05>> Okay.

23:05>> Yeah. Where else?

23:06>> You had indicated the fence was going to

23:08go up against the back of the house on

23:09that

23:10>> like here. So, the fence go like here

23:14and then come to here. So, that this

23:16this section is covered.

23:24Okay.

23:25>> So, can you provide us with a a plan

23:28showing exactly where the fence is going

23:30to go?

23:30>> Yeah, sure.

23:31>> We'll I don't know if Emily's

23:34comfortable or anybody else, but we can

23:36approve it conditionally.

23:38>> Yeah.

23:38>> Whether with you get bringing a plan to

23:41Leah showing just what you just showed

23:42us.

23:43>> Yeah. What?

23:44>> Right. That's what I wanted to

23:46>> Emily. Do we have more questions? I

23:49guess my only question would be how far

23:52off that fence is from the wetland

23:54itself.

23:56>> Uh about 15 to 20 ft.

23:59>> Okay. And then what type of fence will

24:03it be?

24:03>> Chain link.

24:04>> Chain link fence.

24:08I don't I guess maybe I don't know if

24:14the commission is comfortable with

24:16conditionally approving it. I kind of

24:18want to know where exactly it's going.

24:21Um like even just on a like a GIS like

24:27map.

24:27>> Yeah, I can provide them.

24:29>> Um so but that those were my questions I

24:33had.

24:36>> Yeah, I think I'd like to see like a

24:38actually plan where the fence is going

24:39to be and exactly how far if it's 15 20

24:41feet. I don't want to find out it's

24:43going to be 10 feet from the wetland.

24:44You know what I'm saying? You don't want

24:45>> Yeah, it is far away from It's

24:46definitely more than 20 ft from the

24:49wetland.

24:52>> Did you visit the site, Aaliyah?

24:54>> I Yeah, I was able to stop by the site

24:56this afternoon. I

24:58um it did look like some some dirt or

25:02earth work had been done. Why is the

25:04rear yard missing all of its grass?

25:06>> It was all um what would say like it's

25:09all um the moss was there. None of the

25:13grass was growing. So we just like know

25:15script the the layer and just put the

25:18>> Yeah. So with the proximity of that to

25:21the resource area that's something that

25:22that requires conservation commission

25:25approval. You can't disturb the earth

25:27without so that that probably would be

25:30something that that could be added to

25:31this. Um and that area should be a

25:35special condition might be associated

25:37with either stabilizing it.

25:40Um,

25:42>> yeah, I I anticipate that receding is

25:43probably part of the plan. Um, but

25:46stabilizing it with erosion control in

25:48the interim so that there's not

25:49>> Yeah.

25:50>> way to the resources.

25:51>> Yeah, he's going to do the hydro

25:52seeding. So,

25:54>> um, it also looks like maybe a stockpile

25:57of material was made up against the

25:59wetland. Do you have um like some of the

26:02that dirt

26:04was moved to the edge? Why the what

26:07happened was like know during last

26:09winter one of the tree fell down from

26:12the other side

26:14>> so we have to like know move all that

26:15stuff to the to the right side so so

26:18that because it's it's it was on behind

26:21my property a lot and it was causing a

26:24lot of and in order to lay the fence we

26:27have to move that dirt to the to the

26:29right side. Uh, it is currently located

26:32pretty in pretty close proximity to the

26:36resource area. So, I might recommend to

26:39the commission that that be removed.

26:41>> Um, that's stockpiling material, dirt or

26:45vegetative material in the wetland is

26:47not is not something that's approvable

26:49by the commission.

26:50>> I can move that to the front side of the

26:54>> Yeah, that would be removed. Yeah, it's

26:56it is a I'm not sure how high the pile

27:00is and how much it goes slopes down, but

27:02it is you can see the the green beyond

27:05the um that green, that really bright

27:09green is is resource area. So, it goes

27:12right down the slope.

27:14>> Was that something you use a machine to

27:16move back there? Did they use a machine

27:18to take that off and push it back?

27:19>> Yeah, they probably used a machine last.

27:22>> Oh,

27:23>> all right. So, no,

27:25>> we're going to need a plan um that shows

27:27the fence.

27:28>> Okay.

27:29>> We're going to need a plan that shows

27:31erosion control barrier.

27:32>> Okay.

27:33>> We're going to need some sort of

27:35restoration plan for removing the fill

27:37within the area.

27:39>> Yep.

27:40>> That was where it was placed.

27:42>> Yep.

27:42>> And um anything else?

27:45>> Do we have a 15 foot notice or

27:49>> We sure do.

27:50>> Yeah. So, maybe confirming that that 15

27:54feet hasn't been

27:56it looks like it's like right up against

27:59the wetland edge.

28:01>> Yeah, I I it

28:04>> yeah I I'm not especially good with

28:06distances but it but it is in pretty

28:08close proximity to the resource area. So

28:10I'm not sure if it does fall within the

28:1215 foot. I definitely would recommend a

28:14a condition related to removal of this

28:17material from

28:19>> Right. And I wouldn't want to see it

28:22planted with like lawn or

28:25>> Yeah.

28:26>> grass. It should have

28:30>> no disturb. It should be like

28:31naturalized.

28:34Yeah, let me see if

28:37>> we probably should get has the

28:40delineation of this wetland. Are there

28:42any wetlands flags or anything on this?

28:45>> Um, and

28:46>> there are not current wetland flags on

28:48on this this property was um let me see

28:53there was the construction of this house

28:55was completed in

28:57>> 2018.

28:58>> 2018. So there is a plan associated with

29:00the house at that point with the the

29:01wetland flagged at that point for this

29:03scale of work that would probably be

29:05sufficient. I'll share that instead for

29:08the commission to consider.

29:09>> Yeah, that red line is the where the

29:12fence is going in the previous photo.

29:15>> The red line. Oh yes. Yeah.

29:18Um

29:20okay. Yeah. We'll we'll go back to the

29:22the proposed fence line in a second. So

29:24there is Yeah. the

29:26the resource area goes to the is at the

29:29it's it kind of slopes off at the at the

29:32yard edge. So, there is kind of a

29:34defined where the yard is and where the

29:37resource area starts because it there's

29:39a pretty good slope that I'm not sure if

29:41that was constructed or if that was the

29:43way that it was, but um

29:46it does the elevation change does help

29:48in kind of delineating those two

29:50separate spaces. Um,

29:56>> when did we pass our bylaw?

29:59>> Uh, 2023.

30:02>> So, just this looking at this, we should

30:04have a a plan, a new plan showing the

30:08wetland delineation.

30:11It should show where this fill was

30:13placed.

30:14It should show where the fence is going

30:17to be installed

30:20and where the

30:23shed is going to be placed because it's

30:25it's very vague on what he submitted. We

30:28can't really tell and there were many

30:29questions especially with the fill

30:31that's been placed. We don't know how

30:32close it is. We don't know if it's in

30:34the 15. We don't know if it's in the 30.

30:36We we don't know. There's too many

30:38unknowns. So, we need we need that all

30:41those items answered. Yeah, we can

30:43finish that all that stuff

30:48>> before we can I think before we can act

30:50on that. Correct.

30:51>> I would tend to agree with that.

30:57>> Diane, do you have anything?

30:58>> No.

31:05>> All right. So, with that being said, if

31:08you ask for a continuence, you can get

31:10us that information for our next

31:11meeting.

31:12>> Okay?

31:12>> And then

31:14um provide it to Aaliyah ahead of time

31:16for review. That way, if she has any

31:19questions, you can get the appropriate

31:20information back to her prior to the

31:22next meeting, which is October 20th.

31:24>> Okay.

31:24>> Okay.

31:25>> Yeah.

31:26>> Thank you.

31:26>> Thank you.

31:27>> Thank you.

31:39Notice hereby given in accordance with

31:40the vision of general law chapter 131

31:43section 40 of the town of shoes we

31:45wetland bylaw regulations that lean and

31:48zella 245 winch street frame mass is

31:52file request for termination of

31:54applicability repair of a concrete

31:56retaining wall at 20 Tamarack Lane.

31:58Someone here

32:10Hi, I'm Leanne Manzella. This is Tony

32:12Lori, um our contractor.

32:16Um, we're here tonight to seek approval

32:19to take out a concrete wall that has

32:22already fallen into the lake, to

32:24establish a retaining wall to prevent

32:27further land from falling into the lake

32:30and eroding, and to possibly take down

32:33some trees that are um either dead or

32:36diseased within the buffer zone.

32:39Um, I do have some packets that I wanted

32:42to give you so you can see pictures that

32:46will certainly better explain

32:50the vision. And then there's also a

32:51packet for from the landscape. Thank

32:54you. And if you don't mind sharing the

32:56top one is the pictures that you could

32:58share.

33:01Thank you.

33:10If you'd start on page four,

33:14Page four shows the house with the scope

33:17of work that really needs to be done.

33:22As you can see, the 100-year-old wall is

33:26clearly not doing its job. And one of

33:29the trees in question um is on the far

33:32left side. It's a very You can It's very

33:34bare and brown and um

33:38dead.

33:42>> Okay.

33:42>> Page five and six shows closer pictures

33:46of the concrete wall that is in the

33:49water.

33:55and you'll see some pages um following

33:57that um where LEC was out December of uh

34:022023

34:04and um we had them out there to try to

34:08advise us on how to remove the concrete

34:10at that point. Um but there's se several

34:13pictures that I think you can clearly

34:14see with the water uh lowered um where

34:18they are falling in the water.

34:30Okay.

34:30>> Okay. Um I'm going to turn that over to

34:33you if you want to talk about the kind

34:35of work that um

34:37>> so I put that

34:38>> Yeah. Um I put together a package just

34:40to show the wallstone that I want to use

34:44and it's been used in uh a lot of lakes

34:46and rivers through the United States.

34:50It's locally made in Chabe, Mass. Um

34:53solid

34:55um six by

34:5816. So each block is about 2/3 of a

35:02square foot, 6 in in height. They weigh

35:05about 82 lbs each. And they're solid.

35:09There's no core inside that you have to

35:11fill with gravel, which has been the

35:14trend. Um

35:17that way with the water with the waves

35:18if the if it comes in land at all um the

35:22stone won't get absorb the water won't

35:24get absorbed into the stone. It'll go

35:26around it or through any of the gaps.

35:31Um

35:33the site will be excavated.

35:35There'll be um when the lakes drain

35:38down, we can we can use a machine to get

35:41right in the front to unload block and

35:44stone.

35:45Um, we'll have a mini excavator to

35:47excavate

35:49behind the face of the where the wall is

35:52going, probably five feet to give us

35:54enough room to work and to put in a silk

35:58fence or a waddle or whatever is um

36:02needed to retain the soil on the back of

36:03the slope.

36:06Um it's approximately three feet high

36:10with one block underneath the grade of

36:13the um the bed of the lake with

36:18landscape fabric and rip wrap on an

36:21angle down toward the water.

36:26Um

36:27geog grid

36:29is not recommended anything under four

36:32feet.

36:33um it may or may not be installed

36:37depending on um

36:41determination here like what you guys

36:43think we should do.

36:46>> Okay,

36:50>> Emily.

36:51Um

36:53I guess similarly to the previous

36:56application that we looked at, I think

36:59we need more information about existing

37:02elevations and

37:05where the high water mark is and

37:09it looks pretty the slope is pretty bare

37:13if this these are recent photos. So I'm

37:17assuming there's been erosion

37:20>> um into the lake. So, in the meantime,

37:23stabilizing the bank of that slope so

37:26that there's not further erosion into

37:29the lake. Um, these are some of my

37:34thoughts is that there might need to be

37:36a little bit more

37:38information on existing conditions.

37:43>> Okay, Bob.

37:46And besides putting a wall in, you there

37:47going to be drains in that to stop the

37:49>> Yes, there'll be a drain at the bottom

37:51and it'll um and it'll be curved at each

37:53end and where the curve comes out, the

37:55the 4-in pipe will be coming out in the

37:58and open-ended so it won't get clogged.

38:01>> Okay. And stone behind that also

38:03>> stone with landscape fabric and um

38:07uh at least three feet uh with um clean

38:11stone like washed wash stone behind it.

38:15and then fabric holding back the the uh

38:18soil that's there now.

38:21>> Okay, I agree with the elevation trying

38:23to figure out the difference the

38:24elevation what's going to come down but

38:25yes no other questions. Thank you.

38:27>> All right, so what we'd probably be

38:29looking for is a um an existing plan

38:33showing existing conditions where the

38:35existing wall is now where it fell into

38:38the lake all of that. We would like to

38:40see where that is on a plan, existing

38:43conditions plan by an engineer, by a

38:45surveyor.

38:46We'd like to see your proposed wall

38:50where that's going to be installed and

38:53elevations

38:55of that wall. If it's 3 ft, whatever the

38:58elevations are of the wall, and it

39:01should be designed by an engineer.

39:05We've had too many of these walls fail

39:08and fall into the lake a year or two

39:10later.

39:12And then the other and then we'd want an

39:15asbuilt condition too. So the asbuilt

39:17and the existing condition should mirror

39:19each other where the existing wall is

39:21and the new wall is going to be placed

39:23should be in the same location.

39:25>> Um and I noticed that you have on one of

39:27your plans regrading of the slope. What

39:30are those elevations of that

39:33regrade?

39:36What?

39:36>> What? What are they?

39:37>> We're going to I want to We want to see

39:39what the elevation. Are you taking that

39:40down or are you moving it? Are you

39:43making it level? How much earth work is

39:46going to be done with that?

39:48>> Okay. There's a there's an existing

39:51driveway that's coming out and I don't

39:54know if you can see it or not, but it

39:55kind of dips down and a lot of the

39:57material on the right hand side will get

40:00graded over toward the driveway area. So

40:02that grade will come down quite a bit.

40:05>> So

40:05>> you take you take out that asphalt.

40:07>> It's coming out.

40:09>> What What driveway are you talking

40:11about?

40:11>> To the left.

40:14>> I see. All right.

40:15>> Right here.

40:16>> Oh, that's right.

40:17>> That's coming out. So So where it says

40:19regrade this entire slope, you taking

40:21Are you taking it down a foot, two feet,

40:25five feet?

40:25>> Yeah, probably two feet.

40:27>> We'd like to see exactly what those

40:29elevations are. Then what are you going

40:31to do to stabilize it? Are you what

40:34plantings are you going to put back? Is

40:36it going to be long? Is it going to be

40:38flowers? What are you going to do?

40:40>> Okay.

40:43>> And then I guess sorry.

40:45>> Well, can Diane Diane?

40:48>> So, um,

40:50actually the stabilizing it is really

40:52important if it's going to be graded

40:55like that. And so, you have to stabilize

40:57it right away,

40:58>> right? And um

41:01if you're putting in plants

41:04um like shrubs,

41:06shrubs would probably hold the soil

41:08pretty well. Um then you doing that this

41:12fall in like October, November would be

41:15a good idea.

41:17>> Okay.

41:18>> There's a whole planting list that is

41:20available.

41:23Um,

41:25could we stabil We could use like rip

41:27wrap too, right?

41:30>> You come back to us with one.

41:31>> Yeah. Well, we'll have the engineer come

41:33up with a design.

41:34>> I don't know if rip wrap. We probably

41:36want to see some some sort of plantings

41:38on that.

41:39>> Okay. I mean, we could stabilize it with

41:41um like a landscape mesh with maybe u

41:45hydra seed.

41:47come back to us with a with a plan that

41:49shows what you'd like to do and the

41:51board the commission will look at it.

41:54>> I think at the very least in the

41:56meantime it needs to be stabilized that

41:59>> so would you like to see like a waddle

42:01installed or a

42:02>> orion control blanket or a silk fence or

42:05something to that effect?

42:06>> Okay. So before you've even received a

42:08permit, it would be good to stabilize

42:10the existing slope just so that no um

42:14you know whatever dirt that is loose at

42:17this point in time there's some level of

42:19of stability. But if you're able to

42:21install either yeah like a blanket on

42:23top of the slope um or across the the

42:27entirety of the slope or if you're able

42:28to install uh a silt fence would be pref

42:31preferable over a waddle situation at

42:34the base.

42:35>> Yeah.

42:36>> Okay. Yeah, the installation of a of sil

42:39fence at the edge. Um, it might want to

42:42be installed behind the existing

42:46wall just so that it's not, you know,

42:48getting

42:48>> Well, there's no wall, so it's going to

42:50go right up against the bank.

42:53[snorts]

42:54>> What do you mean there's no wall?

42:55>> Well, the wall's falling over. Yeah, I

42:57Yeah, but behind where it is where it is

43:00laying just so that it's not in the

43:01water because it will it will any any

43:04continued wave action will tear it to

43:06shreds pretty quickly and it also won't

43:08be able to catch anything. So, just

43:10putting it um interior to the

43:14laid down wall.

43:16>> Have you done that before? Have you have

43:18you done what she's described?

43:20>> Yes, we have. Yeah.

43:20>> Okay. Y

43:25>> yeah. So that would be a temporary

43:27measure while we wait for the more Yeah.

43:33>> You have more to add question.

43:35>> Yes. Yeah. I

43:36>> one of the questions the trees are taken

43:38down on that side. Is that also going to

43:39be regraded? Are you going to tear those

43:41stumps out or you going to leave the

43:42actually the trees cut up a little bit?

43:44The dead trees. You're looking only a

43:46couple dead trees. You said three of

43:48them, right?

43:50There's one that's very obvious. Um,

43:53that one there.

43:54>> Yeah. Yeah.

43:55>> That should come down before it falls

43:58in.

44:00>> What were the other trees? You said two

44:02or three.

44:02>> I don't know if they're there.

44:05Once that comes down, there could be

44:07something behind it. And I just wanted

44:09to to leave that open um just in case it

44:11was the case.

44:17How uh would they propose to get in to

44:20access that tree? Because it's kind of

44:22you got to go over a lot of vegetation.

44:25>> It's a little it's a funky

44:27>> I do think when the lake is drained um

44:29there probably is enough room um there,

44:33you know, to stand it um you know and

44:36take it down in parts. I mean, I think a

44:39tree expert would, you know, be doing

44:41that, not me.

44:42>> Yeah.

44:46So, when you take down a tree, if if

44:49it's actually like down to a stem, it's

44:53not going to hold the soil very well.

44:56>> Um, at least the dead roots are holding

44:59the soil to a certain extent.

45:01So, uh, if if you had a way of a plan

45:05for stabilizing that

45:08while it's on route to becoming

45:10something else, that would be good. Are

45:12you like leaving it four or five feet

45:14high?

45:15>> Yeah.

45:16>> Okay.

45:22>> Okay. So, um if you don't do you have

45:25any more questions over there?

45:26>> No, I don't believe so.

45:27>> So, you know what we're looking for? Uh

45:31>> as an existing conditions plan,

45:34>> y

45:34>> proposed

45:36>> proposed wall plan and an asbelt with

45:41great with elevations.

45:44>> Well, the asbuilt will obviously be the

45:46a special condition for at the

45:48>> Well, we want them to come back. The

45:50asbelt will be at the end, but that's

45:52all part of it. And then come back um

45:55with grading a grading plan on that

45:58slope. how what elevation you're going

46:00to bring the slope down to, how you're

46:02going to stabilize it, and what

46:03plantings are you going to use.

46:07>> Okay.

46:13Anybody have any other questions? And

46:16we'll continue to October 20th.

46:18>> October 20th.

46:19>> Thank you.

46:20>> Thank you.

46:23>> Okay.

46:25We have a continued

46:27public hearing guiding the notice of

46:29intent uh by Madish Nest LLC 38

46:34Appaloosa Drive, Shrewsbury for the

46:35construction of a single family home and

46:38associates I work at 40 Westview Avenue.

46:43>> Hello.

46:43>> Hi, Mr. Chairman. I'm James Tetro from

46:45Expedited Engineering here representing

46:47Moish Nest LLC. uh and we were before

46:50you uh last month uh but unfortunately D

46:54did not have a file number assigned yet.

46:56Now they have just want to uh re uh

46:59refresh everybody's memory. Uh it's a

47:02lot of 27,000 square feet on the east

47:04side of West View A. Um the proposed

47:09house construction is pretty much the

47:10center of the lot. There are some 2:1

47:13slopes uh to be stabilized with an

47:15erosion control mat rated for use even

47:17on one. The nearest work to any wetlands

47:20which were flagged in July by Scott

47:22Jordan of Ecotech is 51 ft here. It's

47:26about 66 feet from I'd say the middle of

47:29the uh of of the backyard there. This

47:32property all slopes down from

47:35essentially from uh south to north uh

47:38from this butter toward that butter. Uh

47:41we did a a deep hole uh in the front

47:45here. Uh propose an infiltration

47:47structure to receive roof runoff and we

47:50propose uh uh trenches on the sides of

47:52the driveway to receive uh runoff from

47:55the driveway itself. Um

47:58I guess I'll try and answer any

48:00questions if there are any. I I think we

48:02were in pretty good shape at the last

48:04meeting, but um obviously just D hadn't

48:06given a a file assignment yet. Emily.

48:10>> Uh, I guess my one question would be did

48:13D have any comments?

48:15>> No, actually I should have pointed that

48:17out. They issued the uh assignment with

48:19no comments at all.

48:20>> Great,

48:21>> Bobby. No, no questions.

48:24>> Diane,

48:27>> um,

48:30uh, there was a question that was

48:31raised. Is possible, uh, to find a way

48:34to prevent future tree removal in the

48:3615t zone. Uh oh yeah. Um well, we're not

48:42actually anywhere in the 15 foot zone on

48:44this property. I [snorts] guess you're

48:46not.

48:46>> Um so maybe at the very corner of the

48:50property here,

48:51>> but otherwise 15t is not even intruding

48:54onto this land. So

48:56>> that's just not something we could

48:57really do.

48:59>> Great.

49:01We um had also had regarding tree

49:03removal. We had had a discussion about

49:05potentially walking the erosion control

49:06line to see if there were any additional

49:08trees that could be preserved.

49:09>> Yeah.

49:10>> Um and moved to the

49:12>> outside Yes. outside of the limit of

49:15disturbance. Um

49:17>> Yeah.

49:17>> But I think that would be something that

49:18would be feasible for town staff to do

49:21as a special condition with the

49:22applicant prior to this.

49:24>> And we would have no objections. And I

49:25have to say after the meeting last

49:27month, we had a very nice conversation

49:28with the abuters on this side, the Vegas

49:31uh who were very uh congenial about the

49:33the whole issue. And we what I said to

49:35them is what I'll say to you is is that

49:37one of the benefits of having an erosion

49:39control mat that can be used on slopes

49:41as steep as one to one is if you find a

49:43tree say there was a tree here uh that

49:46you could probably save if you move the

49:48limit just a little bit just a few feet

49:51>> that mat will still be adequate for it

49:53if if you know you can get out of

49:55altering a significant amount of the the

49:56roof structure.

49:58>> Yeah. Yeah. So, we would have no

50:00objection to trying to scout if there

50:02are some significant trees to to try and

50:05keep.

50:06>> Had there been a request to um

50:10change the erosion proposed erosion

50:12control line at all or had we resolved

50:14to that? I'm sorry if I

50:15>> um

50:17>> maybe we had talked about wrapping it

50:18and I think it went back up but I mean

50:20this drains to

50:22>> that way. Okay.

50:23>> Yeah.

50:24>> Okay. And when we would certainly expect

50:28a condition that um after installing the

50:30line, we would have to have it inspected

50:32by the commission's agent to determine

50:35if there's anything more needed to be

50:36done or if you know if it's up to snuff.

50:39>> Yeah, we would probably similarly go out

50:41for an um a storm water erosion control.

50:45Is this does this require us?

50:47>> Yes, it does. Uh we have a total

50:48alteration of 19,700 square feet.

50:51obviously way over the town's threshold

50:53of 5,000 for a storm water permit

50:55filing.

50:55>> Okay. Yeah. So, we can we'd be able to

50:58coordinate that ECB walk at the same

51:00time, but we'd probably I would probably

51:02be out there before then to determine

51:03where those trees can be preserved. Um

51:09I think that was it. We had also

51:12recommended a special condition related

51:14to um I think it was included on the

51:16plan but seeding the slope with um like

51:18a wildflower mix or a erosion control.

51:21>> It it it is on the plan actually. Yes.

51:23Um specifically the New England plants

51:25wildflower seed.

51:27>> Beautiful. Okay. Yeah. So I think just

51:30cementing that into

51:33time with a special condition related to

51:36making sure that that gets installed

51:38would be

51:38>> it. It makes perfect sense on this slope

51:40where it's two to one. It would be very

51:41hard to mow and if you can just have it

51:43be wild flowersowers and be pretty on it

51:45left on its own.

51:46>> Yeah,

51:47>> that that'd be the best.

51:49>> In fact, the ideal thing would be if it

51:52were not mowed at all.

51:53>> Well, right. That's

51:55>> and and if there's no intention to do

51:57that by a homeowner and it and he runs

51:59into the happy circumstance where it

52:00flowers and looks beautiful without his

52:02doing anything, that's that's the best.

52:04Yeah,

52:06>> I think that's all the comments I

52:08>> Anybody in the audience have any

52:10questions regarding this? Okay, any

52:12other questions or comments from the

52:14commission? Okay, we'll close this

52:16hearing.

52:21All right, we have a continued

52:23uh public hearing regarding a notice of

52:26uh intent filed by Sammy Ventriia, 119

52:30May Beth Street, Springfield, Mass for

52:32the construction of a single family

52:33home, driveway, utility connection,

52:36drainage systems, and associated site

52:37work at 255 Gulf Street.

52:41>> Good evening.

52:42>> Good evening. Sammy Ventilia, homeowner,

52:44255 Gulf Street.

52:52Go ahead. What do we got?

52:55>> Uh so this is the second meeting for uh

52:59our permit uh to continue forward. As

53:02you know, we abut wetlands behind us. Um

53:07so a couple things. So we do have an

53:09approved storm water management permit

53:11uh that was approved a couple weeks ago.

53:13Um I uh per our last meeting regarding

53:16the trees at the back of the the

53:18property uh on one of the documents I

53:20shared I have the letter from the

53:23arborist where they addressed each

53:25individual tree to come down which was a

53:27request at the last meeting. Uh so we

53:29provided that uh very detailed uh in

53:32terms of the reasoning for each tree.

53:34Uh, also regarding those trees coming

53:36down, uh, I believe Diane had asked, uh,

53:39to make sure that the trees inside of

53:41the 15 foot buffer are left with, I

53:44forget the term, the the higher cut. Um,

53:47so we'll be doing that. We'll also be

53:50replacing the trees coming down by

53:52replanting new trees with with native

53:54trees uh, as time goes on. So, the goal

53:58was really just to cut down the trees

53:59that are necessary just because as as

54:01you'll see in the arborous letter, uh

54:03they're just old, tall, and a danger to

54:07our property and the neighboring

54:08property.

54:11>> Okay,

54:13Emily.

54:14>> Um

54:16I don't believe I have any questions

54:19related to to this.

54:22>> Bobby,

54:23>> I have no questions.

54:25Diane,

54:35>> question.

54:37>> Oh, yeah.

54:38>> Um, I believe I do believe that the hard

54:41copy plans that you were reviewing in

54:43front of you are the outdated plans. So,

54:45a revised set was submitted with the uh

54:47revised location of the stone trench.

54:49One of the requests of the commission

54:50was that it be moved outside of the

54:5230-foot buffer zone. Um, so that has

54:54been relocated so that it kind of

54:55follows the edge where necessary, but

54:58has been entirely located outside of

54:59that buffer zone. Um,

55:02I

55:04I think that resolved most of the plan

55:07revisions requested by the commission.

55:09Um, the arborist report kind of resolved

55:12the rest of them related to the tree

55:13removal proposed.

55:14>> Yep.

55:15>> Um, it sounds like they were marked

55:16really well on site, so if you're able

55:18to scooch out there, you'll see

55:20well-numbered trees. I got the poison. I

55:23have to prove it.

55:24>> Yes.

55:25>> Yourself. Um, in terms of special

55:28conditions, I'd recommend a special

55:30condition related to replacing trees um

55:32on the property for the trees that are

55:34proposed to be removed. Um, and leaving

55:37the stumps high um where where feasible

55:41as well. Um, they had also the it sounds

55:45like there's a small outcropping of

55:46ledge present on site. I'd recommend a

55:48special condition related to um the It

55:52sounds like hammering was going to be

55:54sufficient. No blasting was proposed.

55:55>> Oh, no blasting. No.

55:57>> Yeah. Um that hammering

55:58>> and even the hammering was minimal.

56:00>> Okay. Yeah. So hammering where hammering

56:03is the approved method of ledge removal.

56:05If for some reason

56:08>> we find that that is not going to be

56:09suitable, the applicant should come back

56:11to the commission prior to doing any

56:14explosives.

56:16Um,

56:21uh, I would also recommend a special

56:23condition. We've received the the new

56:25copies of the plan. That's what we're

56:27looking at. The revised plan on on

56:30virtually. U, but receiving a hard copy

56:32of the revisioned revised plans would be

56:34something that I think would be

56:36sufficient after fully sufficient after

56:38the fact as a condition. Um,

56:44that's what I got so far. Okay. Any um

56:46any questions from the audience? Any

56:49questions or concerns from the

56:51commission? Okay. We'll close this

56:53hearing.

56:54>> Thank you.

57:03>> 92 Cherry.

57:12All right. It's going to be a new public

57:13hearing.

57:16Not by notice is hereby given in

57:19accordance with the provisions of

57:20general laws 131 section 40 be wetland

57:24bylaws and regulations

57:30>> silk and gregios Antonio 92 cherry

57:35street mass has filed not intent for

57:37construction of an ingground pool and

57:39associated site work at 92 cherry

57:41street.

57:42>> Good evening. How are you today? My name

57:44is Basilica Harry Antony. I am the owner

57:46of 92 Cherry Street in Shbury.

57:51Um I'm here to um propose uh we are

57:54looking to put a small pool in our

57:57backyard and have a small patio and um

58:02complete some sight braiding as

58:04necessary. Some of the work in a buffer

58:07zone. So, Cornerstone from engineering

58:11um they did prepare a plan for us uh

58:14where the fences and the pool and also

58:19some of the side work will uh will be.

58:29>> So, can you just tell us what you're

58:32going to be doing? How where the patio

58:34is? How much material are are you going

58:36to remove material from the site? Is do

58:39you need to um bring material in for

58:42this?

58:44>> Um so can I just show you?

58:46>> Yes. So the pool will be uh right here

58:49which is just only this part on a buffer

58:52zone and then all this one will be

58:54fences uh right around the pool and also

58:58just because we are in a buffer zone and

59:01then also it's our um uh our neighbor

59:04property so we don't own that you know

59:06like side of it. So, we just wanted to

59:08make sure, you know, like there is no um

59:12like just to put like for privacy around

59:15the property. Um

59:20that's

59:21>> okay. All right. That um Emily,

59:25>> I do do not. It seems pretty

59:27straightforward to me.

59:30>> Bobby,

59:30>> no questions.

59:32>> Diane,

59:32>> no questions.

59:34Alia,

59:36>> um the larger Texas has proposed stairs

59:39and walkway. Is that

59:42>> is that just a aformational signage for

59:44the

59:45>> Okay, that those are all Yeah.

59:48>> So, all right. So, here is our deck and

59:50then here is our stairs. So, we just

59:53want to move these stairs to this side

59:55so we can just walk from our deck to

59:58the, you know, like to the pool. And

1:00:01we're just going to rotate this um these

1:00:04stairs to that side. So just kind of you

1:00:06know like it's a instead of like having

1:00:08more stairs on this side and having like

1:00:11the fences and like door it will put

1:00:14like a door to this side and just easier

1:00:19access.

1:00:20>> Yeah, absolutely. Okay. Yeah, there's

1:00:22just the the large label. So I wasn't

1:00:24sure if that was

1:00:24>> Yeah, I just um told them to put it

1:00:26there just in case. We don't know like

1:00:28when it's going to happen, but the pool

1:00:31we are hoping to put it um this fall if

1:00:34you know like if everything goes well.

1:00:36But the patio probably will not be able

1:00:38to completed this fall. It's just going

1:00:40to be very late for

1:00:42>> Okay. So the the patio is just proposed

1:00:44inside of that inner fence line at the

1:00:48All right. Okay.

1:00:49>> Um and then the there's a fence line

1:00:52proposed along the property line. the

1:00:54commission had um with the determination

1:00:56of applicability that was issued, we'

1:00:58requested that all of the um area within

1:01:01that 30 foot uh within the 30- foot

1:01:04buffer zone was restored with native

1:01:05vegetation. I don't know um if it would

1:01:09make sense to to possibly ex exclude

1:01:12that from the fence area just so there's

1:01:13not an uh an inclination to return it to

1:01:18yard area or if something else would be

1:01:22amendable to the commission to just make

1:01:24sure that that it remains vegetated as

1:01:26approved

1:01:28>> in any way you can just are you talking

1:01:30about the like all the way at the end

1:01:33>> um right up in this corner

1:01:37here. It It looks like a offense is

1:01:39proposed. Is that correct?

1:01:41>> Right here.

1:01:41>> Yeah.

1:01:42>> Okay.

1:01:42>> Yeah. So that the determination of

1:01:44applicability that was issued uh related

1:01:46to vegetating that area.

1:01:50>> Oh, right here. Right.

1:01:51>> Yeah.

1:01:51>> Yeah. Okay.

1:01:52>> So, um it it just within the 30 foot.

1:01:54So, it's just that one little clip of a

1:01:56corner.

1:01:56>> Oh, right here.

1:01:58>> Yes. Yeah. So, I I don't know.

1:02:03I guess it it could be up to the

1:02:04applicant too if if they would prefer to

1:02:06have that vegetated area within the

1:02:07fence line. Um and just with the

1:02:10understanding that they are going to

1:02:11keep it vegetated um if that would be

1:02:15preferable and feasible on your property

1:02:17or if it would just be easier to exclude

1:02:19it from the from the yard area.

1:02:22>> Um the only um thing why we wanted to

1:02:25put it is just to kind of um because we

1:02:28don't know what's happening with the

1:02:30other neighbors. So like uh their their

1:02:33plans is a lot so I am not sure. So it

1:02:36just a kind of you know like privacy I

1:02:38mean if they have you know like if they

1:02:41building a house behind us you know like

1:02:43it will be you know like very our house

1:02:45it will be just you know like kind of

1:02:48their cars walk like driving by our

1:02:50property. So that's how we wanted just

1:02:53to kind of you know like block it and

1:02:56kind of like more for privacy than

1:02:58anything else. But wherever you

1:03:00>> I understand that I understand the

1:03:01installation of the fence. I'm just

1:03:03saying with the fence located where it

1:03:05is, you will have a small corner that

1:03:06will be vegetated with native

1:03:07vegetation.

1:03:09>> Would you prefer that that be interior

1:03:11to your yard because it there might be

1:03:13an inclination to to mow it or include

1:03:15it in the yard area which would not be

1:03:18in line would not be in compliance with

1:03:20the order that you have or would it make

1:03:24more sense to move the fence? We can

1:03:26just move the fence wherever it for you

1:03:29is

1:03:30>> why don't

1:03:31>> whatever you propose.

1:03:32>> The easiest thing probably for us to

1:03:34describe is just move the fence to

1:03:36>> to 30 foot

1:03:38>> the along the 30 foot buffer.

1:03:39>> Okay.

1:03:40>> Okay. So we'll make that a condition so

1:03:41it's easily understood and we'll just

1:03:44move in that one section where it

1:03:46protrudes into the buffer. We'll move it

1:03:48out of the buffer.

1:03:49>> Okay.

1:03:49>> Okay. No problem at all. Thank you.

1:03:53>> Anything else? Uh yeah, I think that

1:03:55would that's it for me.

1:03:56>> Any questions from the audience? Any

1:03:58other questions from the commission?

1:04:00Okay, so we can close this.

1:04:03>> Thank you so much.

1:04:03>> Thank you.

1:04:04>> Thank you.

1:04:07>> All right, this next one um I'm going to

1:04:09um recuse myself from this.

1:04:12>> Have a great night. Thank you.

1:04:14>> [snorts]

1:04:17>> This be a continued public hearing

1:04:20regarding the notice of intent filed by

1:04:22Tom Corbett on behalf of Go Ventures

1:04:24Capital Group, one Merkantile Street,

1:04:26Sweet 630, Worester Mass, for the

1:04:29construction of a mixeduse development

1:04:30including 12,000 square ft of commercial

1:04:32development and two residential

1:04:34apartment buildings as well as

1:04:36associated parking, sidewalks, storm

1:04:39water infrastructure, utilities,

1:04:41landscaping and demolition. of existing

1:04:43infrastructure at 525 HP turnpike.

1:04:48>> Uh good evening. Tom Corbett with Go

1:04:50Venture Capital Group. Uh here with me

1:04:52tonight is Andrea Kendall with LEC to my

1:04:54left and just to her left is Jack

1:04:57Deninger with Fussen O'Neal. Uh both the

1:05:00design engineer and the environmental

1:05:04consultant for the project. Um so the

1:05:08last time we met was July 20th 21st

1:05:12maybe. Um we continued last month uh due

1:05:16to quorum and I think in the 21st of

1:05:20July we left with maybe a couple items

1:05:22that we needed to address, right? Um so

1:05:24we were still working through um the

1:05:27conservation restriction and what that

1:05:29looks like. Um give you a little update

1:05:32in a minute on that. Um and then there

1:05:34was a question around uh waiver requests

1:05:37uh related to what you guys would

1:05:38actually be voting on. Um so we've

1:05:41submitted um a memo in that regard uh

1:05:45that kind of outlined everything there.

1:05:47I believe it even gave in information on

1:05:50the uh replication area meeting the 2:1

1:05:54uh what have you. Um, and then I think

1:05:57there was still some outstanding

1:05:59questions around the hydraology of the

1:06:01vernal pool and we're prepared to talk

1:06:03about that tonight with you all. Um, so

1:06:06I think since the last time we'd met as

1:06:08well, um, we've submitted some

1:06:10materials. Um maybe a repeat here, but

1:06:14um we submitted the bylaw waiver

1:06:17request. Um and then a memo from LEC on

1:06:21the monitoring protocol for the wetland

1:06:23replication

1:06:24as well as a revised site plan, storm w

1:06:28um storm water drainage analysis,

1:06:31um [snorts] a revised landscaping plan

1:06:34as well. Um, and I think with that I

1:06:39will pass it to Andrea.

1:06:42[laughter]

1:06:44Um,

1:06:46I'll just quickly go over the the

1:06:48wetland um wetland restoration and

1:06:51replication monitoring protocol. This

1:06:54was um somewhat excerpted from the NOI

1:06:58narrative and then augmented a little

1:07:00bit um uh to be a little bit more

1:07:02complete. Uh this was submitted with the

1:07:06two MEPA per D request. Um so we thought

1:07:10we would submit it as well um to the

1:07:13conservation commission. In in general

1:07:16it it the intent of it is to comply with

1:07:19the provision uh regulations

1:07:23um this the state clean water act and

1:07:25the federal

1:07:27um clean water act as well. Um

1:07:31and ultimately it will comply with any

1:07:35conditions in this in the permits the

1:07:38order of conditions the water quality

1:07:40and the department of army permit. Um

1:07:45it will include [clears throat]

1:07:49uh uh analysis of the uh species

1:07:54composition and relative abundance of

1:07:56the vegetation. the vegetative cover and

1:07:59the percentage of non-native species. It

1:08:02will also identify um plant mortality

1:08:06and replanting efforts if that becomes

1:08:09necessary. We will document um um photo

1:08:13documentation of the wetland restoration

1:08:16replication area at at um kind of

1:08:18stationary points um pre-established

1:08:22and then document the soil and

1:08:24hydraologic data. um and go into detail

1:08:28with that. We'll also include the

1:08:31wetland determination form or forms as

1:08:34may be required. Um and then we'll

1:08:37provide a summary of the necessary

1:08:40maintenance activities. Generally, we

1:08:42anticipate um these monitoring efforts

1:08:45will occur for two years, perhaps less

1:08:48if everything um uh jump gets off to a

1:08:52good jump start. Um and then um Each

1:08:55year we'll be providing um these

1:08:57monitoring reports to the to the

1:08:59commission and to the each of the

1:09:01agencies as well until we uh meet that

1:09:04compliance recommendation. Are there any

1:09:06questions on that?

1:09:10>> Excuse me.

1:09:11>> Um in terms of the waiver request, I

1:09:14just wanted to go over with the

1:09:16commission um the [snorts] the the three

1:09:20waiver requests. One is for relief of

1:09:23work within the um 15 foot no

1:09:25disturbance zone. The other is for the

1:09:2730 foot no structures structure and then

1:09:30um relief from um actually impacting uh

1:09:35the BVW and the IBW. So as it relates to

1:09:39the 15 foot um and 30 foot um there are

1:09:45uh um two aspects of work that are

1:09:49unavoidable.

1:09:50um relates to the stream c the pond and

1:09:54wetland crossing and the um and

1:09:58associated impacts to the BPW and bank

1:10:02and and land underwater. Um there are no

1:10:05other alternatives um to access the

1:10:09upland portion of the site. Um and this

1:10:11qualifies as a limited project uh under

1:10:14the rags. Um and that uh no other

1:10:18aspects of the work um once we get over

1:10:22uh um over the the crossing is is within

1:10:26the any of those no disturb or structure

1:10:29setbacks. So this is the only the only

1:10:32uh portion of that. Um

1:10:37[clears throat]

1:10:38uh let's see

1:10:42and clearly we need to work adjacent to

1:10:45the wetland in order to establish the

1:10:47wetland replication area. So there's no

1:10:50choice in in that respect. The second is

1:10:54to permanently alter the BVW and IVW.

1:10:58stated, you know, these are uh the c the

1:11:00crossing um as it relates to the IVW.

1:11:04Um

1:11:06well, I'll go back to the BVW. The the

1:11:08the footprint of where the uh crossing

1:11:10is located represents the most narrow uh

1:11:13portion of the pond. It also um overlaps

1:11:17with the existing cart path. So, that

1:11:19was the uh the alignment that resulted

1:11:22in the least amount of impacts. Um we

1:11:24are under uh 5,000 square feet. So um uh

1:11:30so that complies with the with the

1:11:32bylaw. Um in terms of the IBW

1:11:37uh that impact um

1:11:42also results in the least amount of

1:11:44impacts to the project. So um through

1:11:46the ZBA the the client um uh uh got

1:11:52approval to increase the height of the

1:11:54buildings and with that they were able

1:11:57to concentrate the development within um

1:12:00the existing available upland area

1:12:02without utilizing a second crossing uh

1:12:05to get to um the the northernmost

1:12:08portion of the site. So that um by

1:12:11eliminating that that aspect of the

1:12:14project they were able to avoid um

1:12:17further impacts to the wetland and

1:12:18stream system. Um and then um the the

1:12:23resulting uh configuration of the

1:12:27building and all the other um uh

1:12:29associated parking and whatnot. So that

1:12:32impact was was unavoid that IBW impact

1:12:36was unavoidable. um we are providing 2

1:12:39to one um replication for both IVW and

1:12:43BVW in that single location adjacent to

1:12:46the pond. So um we we are complying with

1:12:51that on top of the um 10 point about

1:12:5410.9 acres of CR um as other appropriate

1:12:57mitigation for the project and that is

1:13:00summarized in detail in um

1:13:03in your letter.

1:13:06>> Yeah. And I'll pedal back a little bit

1:13:07to the CR um just to keep you privy. Uh

1:13:11we've been going through the MEEPA um

1:13:13process. We've had um the comment period

1:13:16extended. Um and that comment period

1:13:20ends on the 29th, I want to say. Um and

1:13:24we expect a certificate by October 9th.

1:13:27Um so through our discussions with MEPA,

1:13:29I think we were touching on this maybe

1:13:31at the last hearing. I can't remember if

1:13:32it was here or planning board. My

1:13:34apologies. So, I just want to make sure

1:13:35we're getting it out there. Um, there

1:13:37was a question as to how the open space

1:13:42was going to be um preserved and how

1:13:45long that was going to be preserved for.

1:13:47We had a discussion um that the

1:13:53open space restriction where we would be

1:13:56the holder of that land wasn't really

1:13:58suitable in the eyes of MEPA and EA um

1:14:01as far as longevity, right? because

1:14:03there's always that like 30-year mark

1:14:05where it can go back. Um, so we did

1:14:08agree to align our project with the CR

1:14:12utilizing the EA template. Um, so that

1:14:16we I did provide that at least I

1:14:18provided the template to Aaliyah um

1:14:20earlier maybe last month um just seeking

1:14:24any further input from the uh commission

1:14:26here on rules. I'm I assume that the EA

1:14:30template um is pretty suitable to the

1:14:32commission. Um but at the same time, if

1:14:34there was any further concerns uh that

1:14:37they saw that you guys saw um and would

1:14:40want included into that CR um happy to

1:14:43do so. Um so we're are ongoing uh drafts

1:14:47of that document. Um LEC has provided

1:14:51some input into that that I passed along

1:14:54to Aaliyah today that's been again

1:14:56further revised. that was all submitted

1:14:58to MEPA on Friday of last week. Um, so

1:15:02we'll have to go through the EA office

1:15:04and uh get that CR all squared away. In

1:15:08regard to the holder, I've been talking

1:15:12to Greater Worcester Land Trust, Colin

1:15:14Novik over there, and I've been talking

1:15:17to Sudbury Valley trustees. We haven't

1:15:19nailed down a holder as of yet. It's

1:15:22kind of a process. Um, they have board

1:15:24meetings that they have to flex this

1:15:25stuff to. Um so those those uh meetings

1:15:28are happening this month uh for both

1:15:30entities and we hope to solidify um a

1:15:34holder of the CR momentarily I guess. Um

1:15:37so outside of that um

1:15:43planning board went well last time they

1:15:46closed that hearing. We expect a

1:15:47decision on October 1st. Um mass dot not

1:15:53quite your preview but just keep you up

1:15:54to speed. [clears throat] NASDAQ um

1:15:56approved our ICE stage one uh for our

1:15:58intersection controls um progressing the

1:16:01project through further uh

1:16:03investigations into the control measures

1:16:05for that intersection that will be

1:16:07installed at the frontage. Um and I

1:16:11guess now we can talk through some

1:16:13vernal pool hydrarology. I know there's

1:16:15some questions out there just we've

1:16:17talked through it a little bit over

1:16:18time. We've been here nine months I

1:16:20think. Uh, so we just want to kind of u

1:16:24touch on that and how the roof drains

1:16:26and water is getting

1:16:28>> supposed to be going. We'll leave that

1:16:30to Jack.

1:16:30>> Yeah. So I just want to high level give

1:16:32you a quick overview of the storm water

1:16:34management in case that hasn't been

1:16:36discussed in in too much detail. Um, but

1:16:39in existing conditions along the

1:16:40frontage of Route 20, the storm water

1:16:42runoff from the existing site is able to

1:16:44either flow overland to Route 20 or to

1:16:47the pond untreated. proposed conditions

1:16:50again where that commercial building

1:16:51will be in the parking lot associated

1:16:52with it. We'll be collecting that storm

1:16:54water, treating it with water quality

1:16:56units, sending it to subsurface

1:16:58detention, and then discharging it

1:16:59towards the pond for water quality and

1:17:02uh peak flow attenuation. As for the

1:17:05residential buildings up at the top of

1:17:07the hill, again, the existing condition,

1:17:09storm water flows um either to the north

1:17:11or towards the east to adjacent wetland

1:17:14resource areas. In proposed conditions,

1:17:16we're collecting all of the storm water

1:17:18runoff in the parking lots, treating

1:17:20that in water quality units similar to

1:17:22the commercial building, sending it to

1:17:24subsurface detention for peak flow

1:17:26attenuation, and discharging it towards

1:17:28the wetlands. Um, it's worth noting that

1:17:30we're proposing detention for this site

1:17:32in particular uh because of the presence

1:17:35of surficial rock extensively throughout

1:17:37the site. We also performed 20 storm

1:17:40water test pits on the site and all 20

1:17:42test pits um had shallow bedrock. Uh

1:17:46that is um within the Massachusetts

1:17:49stormwater handbook that is noted as

1:17:51something that um you you can propose

1:17:54detention in lie of infiltration due to

1:17:58surficial rock and shallow bedrock.

1:18:00Infilt infiltration and groundwater

1:18:02recharge is not practical in sites such

1:18:05as that. as it relates to the vernal

1:18:07pool. Um, so we have segmented the

1:18:10parking area that's adjacent to it to

1:18:13stay uh to to not discharge towards the

1:18:16vernal pool. So like I said, the storm

1:18:18water will be collected in rather than

1:18:19being able to flow towards the vernal

1:18:21pool. We're treating that, detaining it,

1:18:22and sending it further downstream. The

1:18:24storm water runoff that will be going to

1:18:26the vernal pool is either from roof

1:18:28areas or existing adjacent um vegetated

1:18:31areas. So the buildings are essentially

1:18:33serving as a barrier uh to the vernal

1:18:36pool. Um the vernal pool itself um our

1:18:42portion of the storm water runoff from

1:18:44our site is only a small portion of the

1:18:47contributing drainage area. Um in fact a

1:18:50good portion of the receiving drainage

1:18:52area for that vernal pool is in the land

1:18:55located as part of the conservation

1:18:56restriction that is being proposed as

1:18:58part of this project. There's also an

1:19:00intermittent stream that connects on the

1:19:02west side of that vernal pool um and

1:19:04goes to the upland wetland resource

1:19:06areas and upgradient land that does flow

1:19:10towards or flow into that intermittent

1:19:13stream and into the vernal pool. Um the

1:19:15vernal pool itself also has another

1:19:18intermittent stream that leaves it uh

1:19:20which then conveys storm water runoff uh

1:19:22to the north of our site and then back

1:19:24around between uh the the freightard

1:19:27property and into the pond interior to

1:19:30our site. So I um and I guess one final

1:19:34thing on the on the um hydraology for

1:19:38the vernal pool itself within our

1:19:40smaller portion of that um area that we

1:19:43are disturbing as it relates to its

1:19:45larger watershed area. We've designed

1:19:48that area to match the proposed

1:19:50conditions to match the two-year volume

1:19:53two-year storm event volume. um the

1:19:56proposed

1:19:58peak flow volume going to that is the

1:20:01same as the existing peak flow volume

1:20:03going to that for the two-year design

1:20:04storm. Um so again segmenting it from

1:20:08the paved areas and then also matching

1:20:11the peak flows for the or the peak

1:20:13volumes for the two-year event for our

1:20:14smaller contributing portion of the

1:20:17runoff area.

1:20:21What if there I mean how [clears throat]

1:20:24often do we now have two year storm

1:20:27events?

1:20:30>> I know that technically it's every two

1:20:31years

1:20:32>> on average but in reality how often do

1:20:36we now have that?

1:20:38>> I don't know if I can properly answer

1:20:41that question. I don't know if there's

1:20:42any factual I what we we could do is

1:20:45look at the

1:20:46>> So the two-year storm is how many

1:20:48inches? The two-year storm is a 3.24

1:20:50inch storm event, I believe, is what it

1:20:52is for this for the Noah rainfall data

1:20:54for our property,

1:20:56>> which is a pretty significant uh

1:20:58rainfall event.

1:20:59>> It is. They're happening more

1:21:00frequently.

1:21:01>> Yeah, they sure are. I agree. Yeah. The

1:21:03two years becoming more of like a

1:21:05monthly.

1:21:05>> Yeah. And actually oftentimes

1:21:07communities are now um ad adopting like

1:21:10higher percentile storm rainfall event

1:21:12into like their local bylaw. So to your

1:21:14point with with climate change it's it's

1:21:17certainly happening more frequently

1:21:19actual actually to the amount that it is

1:21:21that's hard to say. Um there are rain

1:21:24gauges that you can you know see over

1:21:26historic periods of time and see how

1:21:27often maybe that threshold has been hit

1:21:29can be can be found but yeah it it does

1:21:33appear that way. Yeah, and I think it's

1:21:36worth noting um the goal is to maintain

1:21:39that water level uh within the vernal

1:21:41pool. Um in short of us having complete

1:21:44elevations, we know that there's an

1:21:46inflow from the northern vernal pool uh

1:21:49evidenced by the intermittent stream and

1:21:52then we know that there's a natural

1:21:54outfall uh with this vernal pool

1:21:57evidenced by the intermittent stream.

1:22:00So, trying to balance that um conveyance

1:22:03of water. Uh we're not going to meet

1:22:05anything over the 2-year event. Uh but

1:22:08at that point, we're talking six, seven

1:22:10inch rain event um where it's naturally

1:22:13going going to overflow uh out of the

1:22:16vernal pool.

1:22:19Emily.

1:22:23>> So the

1:22:26thought process behind maintaining the

1:22:29hydraology is that the

1:22:33area of development

1:22:36doesn't contribute as much to the

1:22:38hydraology as the portion which will be

1:22:42ultimately conserved.

1:22:44>> Yeah. So I'd say for our portion of the

1:22:47site, the portion that we're disturbing,

1:22:50right outside of the overall watershed

1:22:52limits for that vernal pool, the portion

1:22:54that we're disturbing, we're trying to

1:22:56for the two-year storm event, we're

1:22:57trying to say the existing volume based

1:23:00on, you know, our storm water

1:23:01calculations is the same amount of

1:23:04volume of runoff as proposed conditions

1:23:07for just our portion of the site. The

1:23:09remaining portion that does discharge

1:23:11and drain into the vernal pool, we are

1:23:13not we are not touching. And there's

1:23:14even areas outside of our property that

1:23:17are discharging to it to it. But to the

1:23:20conservation restricted land again that

1:23:22also helps the benefit there is it's

1:23:25we're not developing that portion and

1:23:27that portion is maintaining ex existing

1:23:30state.

1:23:32So in terms of what we are need to

1:23:34disturb as part of our project, we are

1:23:36maintaining or we're we're matching I

1:23:38shouldn't say maintaining we're matching

1:23:39the two-year volume uh of runoff

1:23:44going to the vernal pool

1:23:47>> on the portion that's being developed.

1:23:49>> Yes, exactly. Which is right a segment

1:23:52of the larger receiving. So we ran a a

1:23:55USGS stream stats report for that

1:23:57contributing drainage area which the

1:23:59portion of our developed limits is a

1:24:01fraction of what the larger overall

1:24:04wershed boundary for that vernal pool is

1:24:06based on the USGS stream stats output

1:24:11>> somewhere around 10%.

1:24:13roughly.

1:24:16>> Um, and then I guess I don't know in

1:24:21July did we go over the overall

1:24:24landscaping

1:24:26plan or was that something that came

1:24:29along in August that we didn't get to

1:24:31discuss?

1:24:31>> Um, you've had landscaping plan. We just

1:24:34updated it. So, our updated landscape

1:24:36plan that was submitted back in August,

1:24:38maybe on the 10th. Um,

1:24:39>> yeah, I think that's what I was looking

1:24:41at. It's the most up-to-date one I have.

1:24:43>> Yeah. So, this one here is based on

1:24:46[clears throat] a redesign of the

1:24:47commercial building out front.

1:24:49>> Um, so through the planning board

1:24:51discussions, we increased our commercial

1:24:53space. We made the footprint of the

1:24:55building smaller and went up a story.

1:24:58Um, so that kind of created a redesign

1:25:00in the landscape around the parking and

1:25:02what have you. Um, with that.

1:25:05>> Okay. Um [snorts]

1:25:11um

1:25:13I guess I don't necessarily have

1:25:15questions. I guess I have reservations

1:25:18about

1:25:20ultimately this development not having

1:25:23adverse effects on the vernal pool. I

1:25:25know that you guys have done a

1:25:26substantial amount of leg work to kind

1:25:28of

1:25:30justify the take that it will not

1:25:34ultimately have adverse effects. Um,

1:25:39just putting it out there that it is I'm

1:25:42still concerned about, you know, how the

1:25:44proximity of the development to the the

1:25:47vernal pool. Um, and I know that, you

1:25:52know, I guess I

1:25:56would love to see like a bit a larger

1:26:00vegetated buffer, but at this point it's

1:26:02I don't know if, you know, I feel like

1:26:04we've we've talked about it at at

1:26:06length. Um

1:26:09I am of the opinion that I would like to

1:26:13wait until uh the MEEPA comment period

1:26:17is over and the certificate is issued. I

1:26:21also would like to look at the planning

1:26:23board's decision. Um and then I um and

1:26:28in between that time frame um I had some

1:26:33conditions that I think could be

1:26:36beneficial that I'd like to submit to

1:26:38you all for review um related to pres

1:26:42how that 15 foot barrier will be

1:26:45preserved as far as the tree health and

1:26:49um

1:26:51just preserving the robustness of that

1:26:53area to the maximum extent that we can.

1:26:57Um, but those are my thoughts um

1:27:02on on the the project at hand.

1:27:07>> Couple questions I had. Um, you still

1:27:09have the access coming through the

1:27:11church property, correct? You can get

1:27:12into that prop. See, actually, is that

1:27:14something you're going to you plan on I

1:27:15said you said you had no access to the

1:27:17other side. You do have the access. You

1:27:19can do a lot of your work right through

1:27:20the church parking lot. What are you

1:27:22taking stuff out, getting machinery in

1:27:24there? Yeah. Doing that side of stuff.

1:27:26>> Yeah. So, so we've been in discussion

1:27:28with Yes to your to the question of the

1:27:30emergency access that's going to be

1:27:32installed. That's an agreement with us

1:27:34and the church um shown here on the

1:27:36plan.

1:27:38>> I guess not that one very well.

1:27:39[laughter]

1:27:40>> Maybe not the highlight the landscaping,

1:27:42but

1:27:43>> yeah, it's uh

1:27:44>> I think it is in Is it included? Is this

1:27:46it? Right. Um

1:27:47>> you can see the hatched area.

1:27:48>> Got really zoomed very quickly. You see

1:27:50the hatched area next to that big uh

1:27:52what is that? A QCO tree or something?

1:27:54>> Yes, right here.

1:27:55>> I can't see your mouse.

1:27:56>> Oh, my mouse disappeared. Okay,

1:27:58[clears throat] cool.

1:27:58>> Yeah, right there in that corner closest

1:28:00to the church. So, that's where the

1:28:01access will be. That's a natural

1:28:04>> kind of match and grade um for proposed

1:28:07and existing conditions. Um so with that

1:28:11um we've been continually accessing the

1:28:14site to the the rear of the site from

1:28:16the church today um to do these

1:28:18prospective borings and uh test pits. So

1:28:21we have a pretty good relationship with

1:28:23Steve at the church and he's very easy

1:28:25to work with in that regard to get um

1:28:28equipment in and out of our site without

1:28:30crossing um currently.

1:28:32>> Okay. So the access I'm saying when

1:28:34you're doing a lot of the access you're

1:28:36gonna have you said you were gonna have

1:28:37a problem with the access you couldn't

1:28:38get you can actually set up do a lot of

1:28:40your access in the upper part of that

1:28:42property on the other side of the stream

1:28:45and above side the pond the wetlands

1:28:47like I said I still want to see a bridge

1:28:49that's not raised over there which I

1:28:50understand you can't you don't want to

1:28:51do you can't do it

1:28:53>> yeah we just can't do the bridge it's

1:28:55like another $2 million delta

1:28:57>> yeah but I mean it's going to preserve I

1:28:59think there's going to be a lot of

1:28:59damage done

1:29:00>> so

1:29:02even If we did do a bridge, we're still

1:29:04excavating that whole entire cart path

1:29:08because there's a force main sewer line

1:29:10under there as well. Um, and it's

1:29:12actually

1:29:14So, what we're doing is in increasing

1:29:17the or I guess enhancing the the

1:29:21culverted portion of that roadway now um

1:29:24and raising it up. There's no like

1:29:27there's no pond really on the up the up

1:29:30gradient side um of the cart path. I

1:29:34know the delineation kind of shows

1:29:35otherwise when the water was impounded

1:29:38um due to the beaver dam, but if you

1:29:40went out there today, it's like a

1:29:42stream. So there's no like equalizing

1:29:44portion of this pond and this culvert.

1:29:46That's not ever how it was designed. Um,

1:29:49so I guess I don't see the benefit of a

1:29:51bridge um long term with the impacts um

1:29:56that we have to do regardless of a

1:29:58bridge installation. The means and

1:30:00methods to get there are the same

1:30:03just a cost of massive amount of money.

1:30:07>> That was the first question. And second

1:30:08one is that rock are you going to be

1:30:10blasting in there?

1:30:11>> Oh yeah.

1:30:12>> Are you going to have to actually do

1:30:13blasting in that property?

1:30:15>> Uh we don't believe that we were going

1:30:16to. So this is predominantly a fill. Um

1:30:19so we don't have too many areas of large

1:30:21cut involving rock. We've minimized that

1:30:24um to the greatest extent that we

1:30:26possibly could by doing all these

1:30:27exploratory holes and finding how deep

1:30:30it is to really balance our

1:30:32>> our earth work in the sense of in

1:30:34relation to rock. So we've trying to

1:30:37avoid rock as best as we can throughout

1:30:39this whole design process over the last

1:30:41nine months. And we've brought

1:30:42elevations up a couple times over. The

1:30:45northernmost corner furthest away from

1:30:47the vernal pool is where the rock really

1:30:49excavation piece is up along the church

1:30:52property line which is more relative to

1:30:55um the driveway um than anything. Um and

1:30:58it's all pretty well weathered. Uh we

1:31:01don't anticipate blasting.

1:31:02>> Okay.

1:31:03>> My concern if you have to do blasting in

1:31:05here potentially you're going to

1:31:06actually drop down.

1:31:08>> All it's going to take is one fracture

1:31:09and you're going to drop down vert pool.

1:31:10going to lose all that water potentially

1:31:12down lower. That's my concern. If you

1:31:14start doing blast and you guys are going

1:31:16to do more damage, so that's why I

1:31:18wanted to make sure that wasn't going to

1:31:19happen.

1:31:20>> Yeah, it's not our intent to blast at

1:31:22this time. I think if we have to visit

1:31:23that, we clearly need to come back to

1:31:25you all. Um that is our understanding.

1:31:27Um right now it is our intent to hammer.

1:31:29Uh we've gotten proposals on on that

1:31:33work already. Um and included hammering

1:31:36only.

1:31:37>> Okay. based upon what we've found on

1:31:39site so far. Okay,

1:31:43I'm all set. Anything else?

1:31:48>> Uh, will there be signage, you know,

1:31:51wetland resource area, no dumping, that

1:31:54kind of stuff?

1:31:55>> That's on the plan.

1:31:56>> It's on the plan.

1:31:57>> Mhm. Yeah. So, we made those changes

1:31:59back in what, July? Maybe.

1:32:01>> Sounds about right.

1:32:02>> Yeah. We added some um low salt and no

1:32:06dumping wetland areas um along the back

1:32:09side of the parking lot for the

1:32:12commercial um and as well as at the end

1:32:14of the fire access lanes uh to the on

1:32:19the sides of the buildings.

1:32:21>> So I just want to say that the concerns

1:32:23that Emily voiced I have them as well.

1:32:28>> Okay.

1:32:30Um it might be beneficial to also

1:32:34include signage at the rear of the

1:32:36buildings um less related well related

1:32:39to the to the resource areas but also to

1:32:41the fact that it will be conser a

1:32:42conservation restricted area

1:32:44>> so that folks are aware of

1:32:46>> kind of where that starts and and um

1:32:49>> yeah I think um

1:32:50>> of that I've dealt with Colin in the

1:32:53past and I believe they like to put like

1:32:55medallions on the trees. Yeah.

1:32:57>> Yeah. Yeah. I don't I don't think we'd

1:32:59need to have in terms of a special

1:33:01condition. I don't I think that would be

1:33:04kind of up to whatever the the grtor

1:33:07grantee situation, whatever they would

1:33:09be amendable to. Um but just yeah having

1:33:11it

1:33:12>> agreed

1:33:13>> as something that is um considered to to

1:33:15whatever their language would recommend

1:33:18in terms of yeah conservation area or

1:33:20wetland area or and any any of very

1:33:24important rules like no dumping or

1:33:25something that should be mentioned on

1:33:27that.

1:33:29Um

1:33:32yeah, there would probably be additional

1:33:34special conditions related to the

1:33:35conservation restriction and just making

1:33:37sure that we're receiving the um rules

1:33:40and regulations associated with that and

1:33:42the the kind the yeah what the

1:33:48what the future relationship will be to

1:33:50maintain that conservation restriction

1:33:52with the you know the holder of it and

1:33:54making sure that that tenants of this um

1:33:57building are being kind to their

1:33:59conservation area um or the you know the

1:34:02keepers of the building are also being

1:34:04kind um and being kind neighbors to that

1:34:07area. Um

1:34:10>> yeah and I think I'll add if I could

1:34:11sorry um in that regard to the tenants

1:34:15um with many of our projects we have a

1:34:17very extensive info packet um things of

1:34:20that nature um that would be including

1:34:23kind of the sensitivities of the site in

1:34:25general um it will relate down to all

1:34:28the way to the commercial um operations

1:34:30as well. So it's pretty extensive in the

1:34:32way that we put things forward and our

1:34:35policies that we have.

1:34:36>> Awesome. Yeah. And yeah, something like

1:34:38a similar um something that might want

1:34:40to be included in something in a packet

1:34:42like that or in um in the order as a

1:34:45special condition or an addendum to the

1:34:46order would be the operation and

1:34:48maintenance plan for um obviously the

1:34:51the

1:34:53storm water infrastructure because those

1:34:55have a standard operation and

1:34:56maintenance plan. Just also any

1:34:58operation and maintenance that would be

1:34:59included in you know um general trash

1:35:02pickup along along resource edges and

1:35:06property edges and um yeah any other

1:35:09similar operation and maintenance that

1:35:10would that would keep the resource areas

1:35:14sp and span

1:35:15>> most definitely

1:35:17was an area for like going to sound kind

1:35:19of strange but the animal for like the

1:35:21dogs and everything going to be

1:35:23contained so I'm not having spreading

1:35:25stuff around the whole

1:35:27Yeah.

1:35:27>> Yes. And in regard to dog poop, I don't

1:35:30know if you were here at that meeting,

1:35:32we have a very strict policy. We DNA

1:35:35test every dog and animal that's on

1:35:37site. Um, so if we do find dog feces on

1:35:41site, which our property manager is on

1:35:43it, and they so they receive a fine. I

1:35:46forget the amount off the top of my

1:35:48head. I will say a hundred bucks. It's

1:35:50probably more. Um, but as soon as they

1:35:52receive that first fine, we never have

1:35:53offenders again. So they're they're

1:35:56trained in a sense to uh pick up their

1:35:58dogs poop pretty

1:35:59>> is there an area you have like a fenced

1:36:00in area you're going to have for the

1:36:01dogs be able to go or not?

1:36:03>> Uh we don't have a fenced in area for

1:36:05the dogs. No.

1:36:06>> Okay.

1:36:06>> No

1:36:08I know that's been some additions on

1:36:09some of the other places in town of

1:36:11having the dog

1:36:13>> area for that but that's

1:36:14>> becomes smelly. Um

1:36:16>> oh yeah it does we have that on our

1:36:18Brook Street project in in Worcester. um

1:36:21it becomes messy. Um and the runoff from

1:36:24that is not so pleasant either. So

1:36:27that's where we we uh poop uh pick up

1:36:30the poop kind of thing.

1:36:32>> Okay.

1:36:32>> Yeah.

1:36:35>> Anything else?

1:36:36>> No, I think that's

1:36:37>> we be asking for a continuence for next

1:36:39month.

1:36:40>> Uh uh if we need to, I guess. Um

1:36:43>> well, you have to we're waiting to get

1:36:45back from the planning board and some

1:36:46other things. Correct.

1:36:47>> Yeah, planning board meeting is closed.

1:36:49>> Yeah. I want to read the decision. I

1:36:51want to see the certificate and um I

1:36:54have proposed uh conditions that I can

1:36:59provide to you prior to our next

1:37:02meeting.

1:37:02>> That sounds good. I will uh ask for a

1:37:04continuence to October 20th.

1:37:06>> Thank you.

1:37:07>> Thank you.

1:37:08>> Thank you.

1:37:09>> Does anyone anyone else have any

1:37:11questions in the audience?

1:37:13>> Thank you.

1:37:26Okay, we have a continued public hearing

1:37:29regarding notice of intent filed by PGM

1:37:31realy Holdings LLC 421 Washington Street

1:37:35Auburn Mass for the demolition of

1:37:37existing building and structures and

1:37:38construction of a car dealership service

1:37:41center wetland crossing and pocket area

1:37:43957 Boston turnpike. There's someone

1:37:46here for that. I think they are joining

1:37:48us on the line.

1:37:51>> Good evening.

1:37:53>> Good evening. Brian Mar here with Marti

1:37:55Engineering.

1:37:57Um, so last time we were in front of you

1:38:00guys was at your August meeting. Um, at

1:38:04that meeting there was there was one

1:38:07outstanding item that Graves Engineering

1:38:09had asked for additional detail

1:38:12uh and clarification on the proposed

1:38:15culvert uh for the project.

1:38:18And the only reason at that time at the

1:38:20August 18th meeting we hadn't uploaded

1:38:22it yet to the town uh website was we

1:38:26were just waiting on comments from Mass

1:38:28DOT. Um, we wanted to make sure when we

1:38:31uploaded the plans that, you know, there

1:38:34weren't any potential

1:38:36modifications masked out required that

1:38:38would have impacted any any buffer zone

1:38:41um impact. So, um,

1:38:45so we did upload the plans back on

1:38:47September 1st. There were no changes

1:38:49mass DOT required that impacted

1:38:51wetlands. Uh, so the additional

1:38:55information that Graves had asked for on

1:38:57the culvert are on that plan.

1:39:00Uh it's basically sheet 22. Um Grace

1:39:04wanted us to note all of the details of

1:39:08the covered dimensions just to ensure

1:39:10that we were meeting the stream crossing

1:39:12standards [clears throat] which we are

1:39:15um which we actually significantly

1:39:17exceed what's required by the mass

1:39:20stream crossing standards. So uh that

1:39:22details on the plan now uh it's been

1:39:25uploaded. It's in your possession. So

1:39:27there was really no other items that

1:39:29were required. Um the stream crossing

1:39:32standards require that the width of the

1:39:34cauldron be 1.2 times the bank full

1:39:37width. Um let me I can if I can share

1:39:41the screen I can just show you the

1:39:42detail.

1:39:43>> Yes. Let me give you sharing rights. I

1:39:46don't um I I don't get

1:39:50um

1:39:53notification always that that things

1:39:55have been uploaded to open gov. So, I

1:39:56did not realize that they that you had

1:39:59supplied

1:40:01um new plans there. Um

1:40:04>> Okay.

1:40:06>> Sorry. Let me Why can't I make you a

1:40:09host?

1:40:19>> Okay. You should be able to share that

1:40:21out your co-host. Um,

1:40:27>> yeah,

1:40:31>> it does look like those were just

1:40:32uploaded uh yesterday by

1:40:37Yeah, on September 14. Let me see if

1:40:39anything else was uploaded.

1:40:48So if you can see the screen here, the

1:40:50color detail shows it's a 4 foot by 20

1:40:53foot culvert. Um

1:40:56the stream crossing stands require 1.2

1:40:59times a bank full width which is 84 in.

1:41:02Uh so 101 in would be required which is

1:41:06just over 8 feet. Uh we're providing a

1:41:0820 foot wide culvert. Um and then the

1:41:12openness ratio

1:41:14is the end area divided by the length.

1:41:16So with a 4x 20 culvert it's an open or

1:41:20end area of 80 square feet. Uh then

1:41:23divided by the length of 33 feet we have

1:41:25a 2.42 ratio and only82 is required. So

1:41:30it's significantly larger than what is

1:41:32required. So we do uh exceed the mass

1:41:35stream crossing standards. So, um, so

1:41:40that is the only deal, like I said, that

1:41:42was outstanding and I believe at the at

1:41:44the meeting last month, uh, the

1:41:46commission,

1:41:49um, just stated that they wouldn't be

1:41:50able to close the hearing and vote on it

1:41:52until, uh, this detail was provided and

1:41:54the plan was uploaded to the town. So,

1:42:00>> so yeah, so we have received that. We

1:42:02also had had there was a question

1:42:03related to the um material that has been

1:42:07filled in the area by the crossing.

1:42:11There's like um

1:42:14was that either added to the plans or um

1:42:21yeah I guess would the applicant be

1:42:22amendable to removing that material as

1:42:24it is?

1:42:26>> Yes.

1:42:27>> Yeah. I think the the area was we

1:42:29absolutely conditioned that the area I

1:42:31believe you were talking was

1:42:33>> was up in this vicinity over here.

1:42:35>> Uh there's also there's significant

1:42:38material downstream of the crossing.

1:42:42>> Yeah. Right. Right along there you can

1:42:45Yeah.

1:42:46>> Yeah.

1:42:46>> Yeah.

1:42:48We we we would be amendable to cleaning

1:42:50up whatever we need to clean up for that

1:42:52site. We're going to be

1:42:54>> um pulling back. You can see the the

1:42:57existing uh limit of what was out there

1:43:01now is we're pulling back was like I

1:43:04guess we're pulling back the limit of

1:43:06what was previously

1:43:09um used as their staging area for

1:43:12landscape materials.

1:43:15>> Um so let me see if I can

1:43:18make it a little clearer for you.

1:43:29And so basically the tree line that you

1:43:31see back here is what's existing and

1:43:34there's landscape materials all the way

1:43:35back through here. We're pulling that

1:43:37back. It'll all be vegetated as well as

1:43:39on this side. So you know we're

1:43:42absolutely agreeable to any condition

1:43:43about about removing that material.

1:43:48Yeah, I'd recommend any special

1:43:50conditions related to that in terms of

1:43:52um

1:43:54we might want to see uh monitoring of

1:43:56the restoration of that area just to

1:43:58ensure that that they are seeing that

1:44:00all the material is removed and that a

1:44:02um that there's getting significant

1:44:05vegetation growth back in that area. um

1:44:08especially where it is getting close to

1:44:10the to the zero and 15 and 30 that they

1:44:14are seeing native vegetation returned

1:44:16there.

1:44:18>> Okay.

1:44:19>> Yep. Um okay. Uh Emily.

1:44:25>> Um

1:44:27so the work Aaliyah I guess my question

1:44:33um is within the buffer zone

1:44:38only or there resource areas. Oh I guess

1:44:41there would be resource area impacts

1:44:43associated with the crossing.

1:44:45>> It did. Yeah, there are there are we

1:44:47obviously resource area impacts proposed

1:44:49with the with the expansion of the

1:44:51crossing. Um

1:44:54it would s it does seem that that

1:44:56material was um this was all included in

1:45:00um

1:45:02ecoteex report as well. They had they

1:45:04had detailed um Mr. Machete just so that

1:45:06you are are able to follow along. Um,

1:45:10>> yes,

1:45:10>> they had that

1:45:11>> it had been noted that there were

1:45:13>> it probably was a large pile of fill

1:45:15that was kind of pushed towards the

1:45:17stream and then the stream plowed

1:45:18through it. So, there's uh piles of

1:45:22sandyish material, fill material located

1:45:25on both sides of the stream um that

1:45:30yeah would would need to be removed. So

1:45:32it

1:45:35and then yeah seeing restoration of

1:45:36those areas would be it's it is an act a

1:45:40pretty active stream channel and with

1:45:41the installation of the wider culvert it

1:45:45it will be able to do its thing a little

1:45:48easier. Um, but making sure that

1:45:51>> is there specific restoration protocol

1:45:55that they've put forth or

1:45:58>> I don't know if they've um submitted a

1:46:01rest like a restoration plan for that

1:46:03area or a um have you guys included

1:46:06something for how the covert will be

1:46:09installed so that water is like the how

1:46:12the stream will be impacted during the

1:46:14installation of the culvert. Yeah, I

1:46:16mean it it is an intermittent stream, so

1:46:18it's not a it's not a very active, you

1:46:21know, stream that's continuously

1:46:24flowing. Um,

1:46:25>> okay.

1:46:25>> You know, our wetland consultant will

1:46:27certainly be on site for this and if you

1:46:29condition that, you know, we can put

1:46:31forth reporting. Uh, there's not a

1:46:33construction sequencing

1:46:37um, you know, detailed on the in the

1:46:40plan set. Um but we do have restoration

1:46:44plantings uh as part of this impact.

1:46:48It's a very small wetland impact we have

1:46:50but the landscaping plans do show the

1:46:52the wetland mitigation plantings um you

1:46:56know around I guess at the base or kind

1:46:58of around the base of the culbert at the

1:47:00bottom of the slope. We're proposing it.

1:47:03>> Okay.

1:47:05How will you how do you plan to uh

1:47:08remove

1:47:10uh the stuff that was left behind that

1:47:13you have inherited?

1:47:16>> Um well I guess I guess I mean during

1:47:19construction once they're in there you

1:47:21know they'll they'll be

1:47:22>> with like or with hand shovels. How do

1:47:25you intend to do that?

1:47:28>> Uh I guess likely the extent of it it's

1:47:31it's all within and right up against our

1:47:33limit work. I mean building the roadway

1:47:35through it or expanding the roadway,

1:47:37building the culvert, we'll have we'll

1:47:39have machinery that will be able to work

1:47:41from uh you know the proposed crossing

1:47:44to reach in and remove it. Um you know

1:47:47and and wherever hand works required

1:47:49it'll be hand work and if like I said if

1:47:52if you know you want to condition it

1:47:54that you know the wetland consultants on

1:47:56site when this work takes place you know

1:47:58we'd certainly be available to that.

1:48:03Um, Bob, do you have any questions?

1:48:04>> No, I have no questions.

1:48:06>> Uh, Diane, do you have any more?

1:48:09>> No.

1:48:11>> Emily, do you have any more questions?

1:48:13>> I do not.

1:48:15>> Anybody [clears throat] from the

1:48:15audience?

1:48:18Aaliyah, do you have anything else?

1:48:20>> Um,

1:48:21just some recommended some additional

1:48:24recommended special conditions, but we

1:48:25can get into that upon closing if that's

1:48:28>> okay.

1:48:29>> Recommendation.

1:48:30>> All right. So, um, if we don't have any

1:48:32more questions, uh, I guess we can, uh,

1:48:34close this hearing.

1:48:39>> Okay.

1:48:41>> Thank you.

1:48:41>> Thank you. Thank you.

1:48:43>> All right. We have a continued public

1:48:45hearing regarding notice of intent filed

1:48:47by Sam Adams on behalf of Spectacular

1:48:50LLC, 378 Maple Lab, Shbury for the

1:48:53construction of eight commercial retail

1:48:56buildings, five residential use

1:48:58buildings, associated drives, parking

1:49:00areas, and utilities at 331 335 Maple

1:49:03Avenue. Is there anybody here for this

1:49:04hearing?

1:49:08I did want to note that I saw them

1:49:10earlier this evening at their um they

1:49:12had a remote consultation for the MEPA

1:49:14process. Um so they

1:49:18are um their comment period will end on

1:49:22October 20 or good god September 25th.

1:49:25Um they're anticipating a uh decision

1:49:28thingy in early October. Um,

1:49:32if there are any comments or questions

1:49:34that you would like to submit to the

1:49:36MEPA process, feel free to um, reach out

1:49:38to me. I can direct them to them. Um,

1:49:42other than that, I have not heard any

1:49:44updates from this project.

1:49:47>> Okay. Okay.

1:49:50So, we'll see them next month, I would

1:49:52assume. All right. New and old business.

1:49:56discuss and sign orders of conditions

1:49:58and

1:50:00um IDAS and we did not get through any

1:50:02IDAS tonight. So, our first closed

1:50:08uh meeting hearing was 40 Westview A.

1:50:11Somebody like to make a motion on 40

1:50:12Westview A.

1:50:16>> Do we have any special conditions for

1:50:18this one or is just

1:50:20>> I would recommend special conditions

1:50:22related to God. Sorry, let me find that

1:50:25sheet of paper. Um, where I wrote them

1:50:28down. Where are we? When are we? There

1:50:31we are. I would recommend special

1:50:33conditions related to a the wild wild

1:50:36flower mix proposed on the slopes. Um

1:50:39and then also a uh prior to the

1:50:42installation of the erosion control that

1:50:45um town staff walk the site with the

1:50:47property um owner or contractor to um

1:50:51see if additional if if additional trees

1:50:54can be excluded from the limit of

1:50:55disturbance.

1:50:57>> So may you like to make uh glue that in

1:50:59a motion? I would make a motion that we

1:51:02issue an order of conditions for D file

1:51:05number 285205040

1:51:07Westview Avenue with uh the described

1:51:11um as described by Aaliyah

1:51:16special conditions.

1:51:17>> Is there a second?

1:51:18>> Second.

1:51:19>> All in favor? I. All right. On to um 255

1:51:25Gulf Street. Somebody like to make a

1:51:28motion? Those

1:51:32uh do we have special conditions for

1:51:34that one or

1:51:35>> Yeah, it was um special condition on

1:51:37this one. The Gulf was a 15t buffer

1:51:39zone. Trees we left cut about 8 ft above

1:51:42if possible. We want restoration of the

1:51:46trees.

1:51:48Um the wall make sure the wall was moved

1:51:50out of 30 buffer zone which sounds like

1:51:52they put on their plan.

1:51:53>> Yep.

1:51:54>> And if any for any reason the hammer is

1:51:56not working on the rock and they have to

1:51:58blast it to come back to us. Yep. Yep.

1:52:00And that hammering was approved as the

1:52:02method for ledge removal.

1:52:05>> I make a motion that we issue an order

1:52:08of conditions for D file number 2852049

1:52:13with the um for 255 G Street with the

1:52:18special conditions as described by Bob.

1:52:22>> Is there a second?

1:52:23>> Second.

1:52:23>> All in favor?

1:52:24>> I. All right. Uh, somebody like to make

1:52:28a motion that we issue an order of

1:52:30conditions for 92 Cherry.

1:52:36>> Okay. The conditions on this one,

1:52:38>> um, this one was related to moving the

1:52:40fence to along the 30 foot buffer.

1:52:43>> Yeah, we stored on native vegetation in

1:52:46an area and then to move the fence

1:52:48outside the 30 buffer zone that we gave.

1:52:50>> Yep. That was the only one I had.

1:52:53Make a motion that we issue an order of

1:52:56conditions for D file number 285205192

1:53:02Cherry Street with the aformentioned

1:53:06special conditions.

1:53:07>> Is there a second? Second. All in favor?

1:53:11>> I. All right. And then

1:53:16>> we did we issue

1:53:17>> we had

1:53:18>> we issued one for 957 Boston turn.

1:53:22>> Right. So, would somebody like to make a

1:53:24motion regarding 957 Boston Turnpike?

1:53:27>> Um,

1:53:28>> I had some recommended special

1:53:30conditions related to this one. Um we uh

1:53:33we may the commission may want to

1:53:35consider um uh similar condition to 525

1:53:40Hartford Turnpike in that the salting be

1:53:43minimum or minimized um especially in uh

1:53:47along the crossing um and within the 100

1:53:51foot buffer zone.

1:53:53Um that the work on the Culver crossing

1:53:57should be conducted during dry

1:53:59conditions.

1:54:00um and any dewatering

1:54:05if dewatering would be necessary that a

1:54:09plan for that be submitted to the

1:54:10commission prior to it.

1:54:14Um

1:54:15I would recommend a restoration

1:54:17monitoring period

1:54:19to ensure that it would be similar to

1:54:21what we require for replication

1:54:24um which is three years of monitoring

1:54:26and a 75% success rate.

1:54:29Um, we might also, the commission might

1:54:31also consider having a wetland scientist

1:54:34on site during um removal of material

1:54:37and restoration of those areas.

1:54:41Uh, and then lastly, h I would recommend

1:54:45a special condition related to removing

1:54:47material within the resource area and

1:54:49within any upper upland within that 15t

1:54:52buffer by hand.

1:54:55Uh, just so that there's minimal

1:54:56disturbance to those areas.

1:55:01That's it for me, Bob.

1:55:04>> All right, we have a motion.

1:55:07>> Make a motion that we issue an order of

1:55:11conditions for DP file number

1:55:122852046-957

1:55:15Boston Turnpike with the special

1:55:18conditions as described by Aaliyah.

1:55:20>> Second.

1:55:21>> All those in favor?

1:55:23>> I

1:55:23>> I Okay. um on to uh discuss and sign

1:55:27certificate of compliance.

1:55:29>> Let me see what I've got. Okay, pass

1:55:32those down. Where did I put those? Okay,

1:55:36that's the confusing.

1:55:44I would recommend the issuance of the

1:55:47certificates of compliance for uh

1:55:48285-1663.

1:55:51That's for six Cheryl Drive. This wasn't

1:55:54uh the the applicant is requesting an

1:55:55invalid certificate of compliance. Um it

1:55:58sounds like this was a proposal for the

1:56:00construction of a single family home and

1:56:02the uh applicant filed a second order,

1:56:07second notice of intent that work was

1:56:09completed under. Um so it was like a

1:56:11slightly different proposal. Uh for some

1:56:14reason it was not close out during that

1:56:17process. Um so there this this no work

1:56:21was completed under this order. Um so

1:56:26that would be 285-1663

1:56:29for an invalid certificate. And then the

1:56:32second uh certificate of compliance I

1:56:34would recommend the issuance of is

1:56:35285-1665.

1:56:37That's for 19 Jackson Street. This was

1:56:40also the construction of a single family

1:56:42home. Um they have completed the single

1:56:44family home. Um, and it uh was

1:56:48constructed to the plans. I included

1:56:50some images on um the

1:56:55Google Drive of that home and it

1:57:01being stable. It's been several

1:57:02obviously several years since that was

1:57:04constructed. So, it's very very stable.

1:57:06>> Did we get a aselt plan for it?

1:57:09>> Yes. Yep.

1:57:12We also received a narrative from the

1:57:15>> engineer. Yeah.

1:57:16>> Certifying.

1:57:19>> I'll make a motion that we issue an

1:57:22invalid certificate of compliance for DP

1:57:25file number 28516636

1:57:29Cheryl Drive.

1:57:31>> Second.

1:57:32>> All those in favor?

1:57:36>> You got two or you have one?

1:57:37>> We've got 162.

1:57:39>> Okay. Let me give you one for 1665.

1:57:42>> All right. Somebody make a motion on one

1:57:441665.

1:57:47>> Make a motion that we issue a

1:57:49certificate of compliance for D file

1:57:52number 285166519

1:57:54Jackson Street as a complete

1:57:57certificate.

1:57:58>> Second.

1:57:58>> All those in favor?

1:58:00>> I.

1:58:04>> Moving into updates. I had um I met with

1:58:09uh the property owner and surveyor for

1:58:1147 Lear Street North um this afternoon

1:58:14to discuss

1:58:16um next steps and kind of walk the

1:58:20surveyor through um what why the

1:58:24enforcement order was issued and what

1:58:25needs to happen. um he is putting

1:58:28together a surveyed plan of what was

1:58:32existing conditions and what is what is

1:58:35existing conditions. So what what the

1:58:38existing conditions were prior to the

1:58:39installation of the new retaining wall

1:58:42further into the lake than was approved.

1:58:44Um and then he'll also submit a plan of

1:58:47the where the current retaining wall is

1:58:49so that we can kind of determine what

1:58:51kind of impacts have been had.

1:58:53[clears throat]

1:58:53Um I we we talked pretty extensively

1:58:57about what the next steps are going to

1:58:58be and I did make it clear that the

1:59:00expectation from the commission is that

1:59:02the wall be removed. Um

1:59:06so

1:59:09they'll yeah they'll be doing

1:59:12he wasn't sure if he would be doing some

1:59:14of that work under the enforcement order

1:59:15or if he would be filing a new notice of

1:59:16intent [clears throat] like

1:59:19stabilization and and final form

1:59:21situation.

1:59:22Please have them come to the next

1:59:24meeting.

1:59:24>> Yes. Yeah. They [clears throat] prepared

1:59:26to have

1:59:26>> they need to come to the next meeting

1:59:28and they need to be prepared to give us

1:59:31a plan to show how they're going to

1:59:33remove the wall and restore it to the

1:59:35conditions that were approved under the

1:59:37original order.

1:59:38>> Yes. Yeah.

1:59:39>> So that's

1:59:39>> Yeah. The surveyor is prepared to come

1:59:42it Yes. had was was provided the next

1:59:44meeting date and is prepared to present

1:59:46at that point in time with the previous

1:59:48existing conditions and the current

1:59:50existing conditions. The conditions that

1:59:52were approved under the existing order

1:59:54are what are what we approved.

1:59:56>> Yes, it does not seem so the the plan

2:00:00that was approved under the order of

2:00:02conditions um did not approve obviously

2:00:05we did not approve work on the retaining

2:00:07wall that is adjacent to the to the to

2:00:10the pond. Um so it was there is the

2:00:14wetland delineation line on those plans

2:00:16but there is not the retaining wall that

2:00:20was existing. So they are going to

2:00:22submit a plan of where

2:00:24of where the retaining wall was.

2:00:26>> There was no retaining wall existing.

2:00:28>> There was a small like there's yeah

2:00:30there was a small um

2:00:32>> not in the water.

2:00:34Let me see if I can get um

2:00:40which address is this?

2:00:42>> This is 47 Lear Street North.

2:00:44>> There was one out of the water probably

2:00:47back about 8 or 10 feet. This is in the

2:00:49water. There was nothing

2:00:51>> and they filled in and they filled in,

2:00:53>> right?

2:00:54>> Sorry, one sec. Let me share my screen.

2:00:56>> There's a lot of stuff that washed into

2:00:57the lake.

2:01:00So, this is in um April of 2024. There

2:01:04is an existing small wall along it was

2:01:07like a like probably like a cinder block

2:01:09size modular block if that would be

2:01:12considered a modular I don't know a

2:01:14cinder block size block wall along the

2:01:17water's edge. Um that is that you can

2:01:19see there was also it seems like some

2:01:21small stair situation going on. Um then

2:01:25we go to

2:01:28Um let's go just back to April of this

2:01:30year. We can see obviously it has

2:01:34>> out. Yeah. And the wall has gotten

2:01:37larger. It is. So it was previously that

2:01:39kind of you know concrete cinder block

2:01:41sized block. Now it is something more

2:01:43similar to like those I don't know 3x4s.

2:01:46Is that what they're

2:01:47>> that that size? So

2:01:49>> PCL walls at least three. It looks like

2:01:51it was in it looks like um I also

2:01:54included some images of that in the let

2:01:56me see if I can go to those images

2:01:58because it might be helpful in terms of

2:02:01there was one picture that

2:02:03>> is that stabilized pretty good down here

2:02:05now but we had because the banking

2:02:07because it was pretty much they dug it

2:02:09all up when he went down with a machine

2:02:10they built the whole road in here to get

2:02:12down here from the the banking. So, they

2:02:14have installed a silt fence along along

2:02:17the edge of the new existing retaining

2:02:20wall. Um, it definitely could use some

2:02:23maintenance at this point in time and

2:02:24could be extended. Um, it looks like it

2:02:27had been um shifted slightly. So,

2:02:33>> So, with the enforcement order, did you

2:02:35tell them to remove this wall?

2:02:39>> Yes. Yeah, I had um

2:02:43I think it

2:02:46this point becau be because there is so

2:02:50much backfill located on site. The

2:02:53concern with just yinking the wall was

2:02:55that fill would then make its way into

2:02:57the resource area. I that neither

2:03:01situation is something that we want to

2:03:03see. We don't want to see the wall in

2:03:04the water. We don't want to see

2:03:06additional fill just yonked into the

2:03:07resource area. Um, so I had requested

2:03:12that they just kind of like cease and

2:03:14desist until they talked to us about

2:03:17what their plan was to remove the wall

2:03:20and remove the fill so that it's not

2:03:23we're not replacing one issue of the

2:03:25wall being located in the resource area

2:03:27with a with the issue of material loosey

2:03:31goosey being located in the resource

2:03:33area.

2:03:34So, we have to understand that they'll

2:03:36be at the next meeting here in front of

2:03:39us. Yes,

2:03:39>> they will be here.

2:03:40>> Yes, Dave.

2:03:43>> Okay. And they should be have a plan

2:03:46>> provided to us to remove that wall.

2:03:48>> Yes.

2:03:49>> Okay. That's all we want to see.

2:03:51>> Yeah. As just a Yeah. Just an aside that

2:03:54you can see I'm you can see my lovely

2:03:56little fees. I am standing in front of

2:03:58the you can see the small block wall

2:04:01that was um

2:04:04>> yeah is it's kind of a a reddish bricky

2:04:07color and then obviously the the new

2:04:09wall is located in front of that. Um, so

2:04:13it

2:04:13>> so they didn't take out the old

2:04:15>> They did. Yeah, I think they stabilized

2:04:17the old wall by installing a new wall,

2:04:21which is that the issue is that you're

2:04:23now 3 feet more into the resource area,

2:04:26>> but they've also dug that banking out

2:04:27and made a road down there that wasn't

2:04:29there before.

2:04:30>> Yes. Yeah. It's [sighs]

2:04:31>> made that bank unstable.

2:04:34>> Si similarly, that was another thing

2:04:36that we discussed is that additional

2:04:37material was brought in. It had when the

2:04:40commission approved the PL there wasn't

2:04:43when the commission approved this

2:04:44project there really wasn't any

2:04:48throughout our extensive discussions

2:04:49with the applicant there was no there

2:04:52was not extensive work proposed down

2:04:54there. Um, so there wasn't really

2:04:58>> correct

2:04:58>> when we approved there wasn't a need to

2:05:00install a ramp to get down to the lower

2:05:02level with a large vehicle like with a

2:05:04large piece of machinery and there was

2:05:06no need to install that much fill. Um

2:05:09I'm not really sure uh where the dis you

2:05:12know obviously disconnect occurred but

2:05:14twixed the issuance of our order and

2:05:16none of that work being approved and

2:05:18where we are currently with addition of

2:05:20Phil and the addition of a retaining

2:05:23wall that should not be there. Um

2:05:26so that it was also

2:05:29the applicant would like to remove that

2:05:30material. Um,

2:05:34but I I I

2:05:37also told them to pause on that until

2:05:39they talk with you guys just so that

2:05:41it's it's kind of a concerted effort and

2:05:45not a we're going to remove the material

2:05:47and then put the material back there if

2:05:49if they're going to propose additional

2:05:50work in the future.

2:05:53I just didn't want like a bunch of

2:05:54instability occurring. Yeah, that

2:05:56message they need to come back to us and

2:05:58and show us a plan to restore it back to

2:06:01what was approved.

2:06:02>> Yes.

2:06:03>> So, they need to understand that

2:06:04completely because

2:06:06>> um this has been happening way too much

2:06:09and we have people here volunteering

2:06:12their time and we issues the these

2:06:14orders of conditions and nothing's

2:06:16enforced.

2:06:17>> Yeah.

2:06:17>> So, if they they need to come back and

2:06:20it needs to be enforced and they need to

2:06:21do what they said they were going to do

2:06:24in the original order. Mhm.

2:06:25>> So we expect them here next meeting.

2:06:27>> Okay.

2:06:27>> Is there a possibility we can make them

2:06:29start from scratch since they did all

2:06:31this excessive work start all the stuff

2:06:33that we already looked approved make

2:06:35them re apply for it seemed they've done

2:06:38so much.

2:06:39>> So yeah that kind of that was one

2:06:44that is definitely a route forward

2:06:46especially if they are if they would

2:06:49like to propose additional work that

2:06:51would be permittable. Obviously, this is

2:06:53in violation and would not be

2:06:54permittable because it is further into

2:06:56the resource area than can be permitted.

2:06:58If they wanted to

2:07:01receive a permit for work that would be

2:07:05permitted, um they it wouldn't at this

2:07:09stage it wouldn't make sense to they

2:07:12currently have an open order. It would

2:07:15not make sense to file an an amendment

2:07:17for that order because um

2:07:19>> No, this is above and beyond an

2:07:21amendment. This could be a new

2:07:23application.

2:07:24>> Exactly. And so Yes. Yeah. And I had I

2:07:26had described that to the applicant

2:07:28today as well of this is, you know, this

2:07:30is beyond the existing limit of

2:07:32disturbance. This is beyond what can be

2:07:34conducted under an amended order. So it

2:07:36might just be something that it would

2:07:37make sense to close out the existing

2:07:39order and start fresh with Yeah. with

2:07:42>> I I wouldn't start fresh. I would I

2:07:44would want this removed and I would want

2:07:45it restored to original condition.

2:07:48>> First.

2:07:48>> Yeah.

2:07:49>> Then if they want to start over from

2:07:50square one, fine. But this needs to be

2:07:52removed and restored to the original

2:07:54condition.

2:07:55>> Mhm. Agreed.

2:07:56>> First.

2:07:56>> Yeah.

2:07:57>> And this is happening way too much.

2:07:59>> Mhm.

2:08:00>> So the the removal of the wall and the

2:08:04excess material could be conducted under

2:08:06this enforcement order. 100%

2:08:08>> to resolve that and then a new notice of

2:08:10intent could be filed for the

2:08:12>> whatever

2:08:13>> potential future work.

2:08:14>> Yeah.

2:08:14>> Whatever they want to do. But

2:08:15>> okay, perfect. I will update the um

2:08:20surveyor and applicant and I will let

2:08:22them know. Um he is anticipating coming

2:08:24to our next meeting.

2:08:28>> All right. Um 101 North Sig. [snorts]

2:08:32Um I think I had that I did not have an

2:08:36update for that one. Um I had received

2:08:39the I had received a response to the

2:08:41enforcement order from the applicant. Um

2:08:44that is available for review but I had

2:08:47not heard from them since then. So I

2:08:49will be um reaching out to D again and

2:08:53then also following up with the property

2:08:55owner to see if

2:08:56>> Yeah, please. I mean this has been going

2:08:58on for many many years. It's

2:09:01They have not responded to any of our

2:09:03concerns. They have not restored the

2:09:05area. They have not they've done more

2:09:07work in excess of what was approved. Um

2:09:10this is another example of people not um

2:09:13>> listening

2:09:14>> following the the order.

2:09:16>> Exactly.

2:09:16>> So um I I really would like you to reach

2:09:18out to D and get their opinion and see

2:09:20if they have some enforcement on this as

2:09:22well.

2:09:23>> Yeah. and and would like to know what

2:09:25that would mean next year,

2:09:26>> especially if there's this like history

2:09:29of non-compliance. D has the ability to

2:09:32leverage fines. So like that might be

2:09:34enough to get these people to be like,

2:09:37"Oh, this is something that we

2:09:39>> are I don't know, you're forced to deal

2:09:41with now. Yeah, you are facing

2:09:44>> like large penalties." But I don't know

2:09:46what the the story is with this this

2:09:50like ridiculous.

2:09:51>> Yeah, it does seem that

2:09:53Similar orders of conditions are issued

2:09:55every time. It is just for the

2:09:57reconstruction of the retaining wall and

2:09:59then there's continued failures

2:10:00obviously off of those constructions. So

2:10:03>> So will they be can you ask them to come

2:10:05to the next meeting as well?

2:10:06>> Yes.

2:10:06>> Thank you.

2:10:08>> When was that response that AI

2:10:11generated?

2:10:13um um

2:10:16I think in

2:10:19late July they provided that but I've

2:10:22not heard from them since then. I' I've

2:10:25emailed them back um after that response

2:10:28and have not heard since then. So um

2:10:31>> AI response

2:10:33>> well it was 27 pages and and pretty

2:10:35repetitive. So I don't want to presume

2:10:38that but

2:10:40>> and

2:10:40>> I'll presume.

2:10:41>> And you when you're speaking with D, can

2:10:44you provide them with all your

2:10:45correspondence that goes back many years

2:10:47with Absolutely. with these with this

2:10:48applicant or this person and then you

2:10:50know tell them we're at

2:10:52>> Yeah, I'll kind of lay out the full

2:10:55situation.

2:10:55>> They're not responding to anything we do

2:10:57and it's been an ongoing issue.

2:10:59>> Yeah, we've we've issued fines before

2:11:00and they just haven't responded to those

2:11:02either.

2:11:02>> And it's impacting neighbors. It's

2:11:04impacting the resource area. Yeah. And

2:11:06this has been going on for years and

2:11:07years and years.

2:11:08>> Yes.

2:11:10Um and then lastly, we have an update

2:11:12from well, I have two updates. The the

2:11:15updated agenda also includes um the I'll

2:11:19I'll need a motion from you guys

2:11:20regarding a um I'm just going to I'm

2:11:23going to pop them in front of you just

2:11:25Mike and then um we'll go back to 33 to

2:11:2869 Green Street. The uh

2:11:31Diane can probably speak to this a

2:11:33little bit more, but in front of this uh

2:11:35community preservation committee at this

2:11:36time is a request for funding for a 300

2:11:40tree um for 300 for Shrewsberry's 300th

2:11:44anniversary. Um this has been a project

2:11:48that's been in the works for a couple of

2:11:50months. It will include a lot of town

2:11:52departments. It will include a lot of

2:11:53[snorts] um different groups within the

2:11:55town including Dian's um climate action

2:11:58group Tipping Point as well as um

2:12:00volunteers from across the town.

2:12:03Um and it will the the proposal right

2:12:07now is a pilot project within um Dean

2:12:09Park and Maple A fields uh just to get a

2:12:13a a foot in the water in terms of um

2:12:17figuring out what it takes to plant

2:12:19several trees on town properties and

2:12:22then then slow launching into 300 old

2:12:25trees.

2:12:26>> Did I miss any details?

2:12:27>> Uh this pilot project is only 50 trees.

2:12:31you go,

2:12:32>> which is significant enough.

2:12:33>> Yeah.

2:12:34>> Um and they would like they would

2:12:37probably like a letter of support from

2:12:39the conservation commission. Um I don't

2:12:41know if we would be amendable to

2:12:43>> Yeah,

2:12:43>> absolutely.

2:12:44>> One of the areas we're looking at right

2:12:45now is along Dean Park pond. Um,

2:12:50we haven't met with enough people to

2:12:54know what we can do, but the uh the west

2:12:57side of the pond um has some trees in

2:13:02some places. Some of them are really

2:13:03significant and phenomenal, but a lot of

2:13:07a lot of it is just simply grass right

2:13:09up to the bank. Um, and so whatever we

2:13:13could do with trees that that could help

2:13:15with that, we'd love to do.

2:13:17>> Excellent. Would somebody like to make a

2:13:19motion with regards to these trees?

2:13:23>> Uh, a motion for the letter of support

2:13:27for the pilot project. Is that what

2:13:29we're looking for?

2:13:30>> Yes, sir.

2:13:30>> Second.

2:13:31>> All those in favor? I

2:13:33>> Very good. Very good.

2:13:36>> Uh, okay. Then your update for 3369.

2:13:40>> Yes, we should have um we have Mike

2:13:42here. Um, I'm wondering if was Scott

2:13:46able to make it this evening? And there

2:13:48he is. He magically appears from my

2:13:50peripheral vision.

2:13:52>> I will stop sharing so they can talk.

2:13:56>> Good evening. I can give a quick update

2:13:59if you'd like. Uh just for the record,

2:14:00Scott Morrison from BHB.

2:14:02>> I was on site back in uh late August,

2:14:06evaluated the three areas, the impact

2:14:08areas that had occurred. They went in,

2:14:11cleaned all that material up. Um some of

2:14:14the natural vegetation's already

2:14:15starting to sprout back. I would

2:14:17anticipate later this fall once the

2:14:20leaves fall I would anticipate you know

2:14:22kind of those areas wouldn't even be

2:14:24visible at that point.

2:14:27I also conducted a site inspection on

2:14:29Monday um yesterday of this week took

2:14:33some photos that slope that we had

2:14:36reported had been seated stabilized with

2:14:39erosion control mat the grass is all

2:14:41growing all through that. Um so there's

2:14:44significant growth there. They've

2:14:46extended that further around the back.

2:14:50Um I think if you go

2:14:53>> keep going

2:14:56>> green everywhere as far as the I can

2:14:58see.

2:14:59>> Yeah. So if you go to the the next one,

2:15:01it'll show how green it is from the

2:15:03street. So if you look there, that whole

2:15:06slope, you know, was seated, stabilized,

2:15:09matted, got some significant growth. If

2:15:12you roll back one slide, they've

2:15:14continued to to expand that around that

2:15:18slope that's got grass kind of poking up

2:15:20through there. I would anticipate given

2:15:22the weather and conditions, this area by

2:15:25the end of next, you know, by next month

2:15:27will be look similar to the other photo.

2:15:31Um, I did walk the lower section along

2:15:34the erosion control barrier. There were

2:15:35no evidence of any further breaching.

2:15:39Those slopes have, as you can see,

2:15:41really kind of filled in with

2:15:43vegetation.

2:15:44>> What's that rip wrap?

2:15:46>> The rip wraps at the That's the outlet

2:15:48of the storm water basin.

2:15:50>> Okay.

2:15:51>> Um

2:15:51>> is this um the one that had the failure?

2:15:54>> Yes, that is.

2:15:55>> Is this has the rip wrap been replaced

2:15:57here?

2:15:58>> Not yet.

2:15:58>> Okay.

2:15:59>> So, is that going to stay or come out or

2:16:02is that the design? I guess I'm having

2:16:05Yeah,

2:16:06>> that that is part of the permanent uh

2:16:10design for the project.

2:16:11>> Um it's been contaminated basically, so

2:16:14it needs to be removed and replaced.

2:16:16>> Okay.

2:16:17>> Um along with the outlet structure

2:16:19itself.

2:16:20>> Okay.

2:16:21>> Um that should be happening this fall.

2:16:24>> Okay.

2:16:26>> I should tell you that that structure is

2:16:29no longer connected to the pond. that's

2:16:31been disconnected so that it can't do

2:16:33what it did in that one storm that we

2:16:35had.

2:16:36>> Right.

2:16:38>> Oh, I appreciate your efforts. It, you

2:16:41know, it it it looks much better than

2:16:42what it did. You can see the the growth

2:16:46all over. It's it's looking much better

2:16:48and we appreciate your efforts.

2:16:51>> And they've they started to pave the

2:16:53driveways. Um that's was gone going I

2:16:57think this week.

2:16:58>> Some pictures of that. Um,

2:17:00>> and then into next week they anticipate

2:17:03solding around those houses. So as you

2:17:06you know by the end of next week you'll

2:17:08have significant

2:17:09>> this is the entry as you come into the

2:17:11site for the town houses on the right

2:17:13hand side um with the first two

2:17:17buildings buildings now have been paved.

2:17:19And this uh photo to the right is the

2:17:23right side of the first unit uh along

2:17:25Green Street with the rip wrap and the

2:17:27the grass. And um so sod will be placed

2:17:32between the house and that um swale that

2:17:35you see at the bottom of the slope and

2:17:38that will be fully stabilized at that

2:17:40time.

2:17:43>> The only thing holding that up is is

2:17:45power. They can't power sprinklers or

2:17:48anything like that. without having

2:17:49power. So, they don't want to plant the

2:17:51side before they can sprinkle it.

2:17:55>> All right.

2:17:56All right, everybody. Well, thank you

2:17:59for your updates.

2:18:00>> Yeah. The only thing I was just going to

2:18:01suggest which I I mentioned is that if

2:18:04we can rather than appear next next

2:18:07month if we can just simply provide

2:18:09another update. Um presumably that would

2:18:13be kind of the closing update before we

2:18:15get into the winter months where you

2:18:16know I think as much as possible will be

2:18:18stabilized at that point. If the

2:18:20commission's amendable we can simply

2:18:21just provide

2:18:22>> you already amendable to that.

2:18:23>> Yeah, I think that's fine as long as we

2:18:25get an update and nothing. Yeah, just

2:18:27[snorts] keep providing these updates

2:18:28with the pictures and and whatnot as as

2:18:31much as you can and um to Aaliyah and

2:18:35it's nice to see this um so it gives us

2:18:37something to go back and work on.

2:18:39>> Absolutely.

2:18:39>> All right. Fair enough.

2:18:40>> Yeah, I think that would be good. Yeah.

2:18:42If um if you're able to provide in the

2:18:45next update as well if you know

2:18:47depending on how winter is how quickly

2:18:50winter decides to set in this year. um

2:18:53either in the next update or the

2:18:54following update just how how the site

2:18:56is being prepared for winter so that it

2:18:58it can kind of keep itself contained

2:19:02through the winter season.

2:19:04>> Yeah, I would say just continue the

2:19:06updates up until as long as you can

2:19:08before snow flies. Then if snow flies

2:19:11and there's nothing then come spring,

2:19:12you know, just start them again just so

2:19:15we have something.

2:19:16>> Sure.

2:19:20>> Okay. Well, thank you.

2:19:20>> Perfect. Thank you very much.

2:19:22>> Thank you.

2:19:24>> Anything else to come before us tonight?

2:19:26>> Um

2:19:28I The Spirit of Shrewsbury will be held

2:19:31on um

2:19:33>> 26th.

2:19:34>> The 206th

2:19:36>> can confirm. Yes, the 26th. Um if you

2:19:38guys I I will be there if you guys want

2:19:41to come hang out.

2:19:43>> Is it a Saturday?

2:19:44>> It is a Saturday. It will be held.

2:19:47>> Actually, I don't know where it'll be.

2:19:49Where it will be held?

2:19:50>> Uh

2:19:51Oh, I don't think they're doing it at

2:19:53St. John's again. That was a problem. I

2:19:56think they're going back

2:19:58>> to Oak Meadow. Oak. Yeah. Oak Middle,

2:20:00not Oak Meadow. Oak Middle.

2:20:02>> So setup is like starting at 8 or 7:30

2:20:06or 8, but the the whole thing is 10 to

2:20:093.

2:20:09>> Yes. Yeah. Yeah. See, it'll be on

2:20:12October or September. Good. 26. Okay.

2:20:15I'm going to stop talking.

2:20:16>> Is there a motion to adjurnn?

2:20:18>> Motion to adjurnn.

2:20:19>> Second.

2:20:19>> Second. I all in favor I All right.