2026-10-08 - Affordable Housing Trust

00:19one. Good evening.

00:22This is the Affordable Housing Trust.

00:24Today is Thursday, October 8th at 700

00:27p.m. I am Martha Ganon, chairperson, and

00:30I would like to call the meeting to

00:32order. Our first um motion um point of

00:38business is to review and approve the

00:40minutes meeting minutes from last

00:42September 10th meeting. Did everybody

00:45have a chance to review them?

00:47>> Yeah, they look they look good to me. I

00:48didn't spot anything

00:49>> question comments changes. Okay. Can I

00:52get a motion to

00:54>> accept?

00:55>> I will motion to accept the minutes.

00:58>> Second.

00:59>> Okay.

00:59>> All those in favor?

01:00>> I

01:01>> I Okay. I'm just going to abstain since

01:03I was not present.

01:05>> I [clears throat] did watch a meeting

01:06though. You all did great.

01:08>> Second order of business is to review

01:10and sign bills.

01:12>> Uh no bills this evening.

01:13>> Okay.

01:15Um next board um board member comments.

01:21>> I just have a just a quick summary. We

01:25had a master plan steering committee

01:27meeting last month. Uh it was the

01:29kickoff meeting and it was very well

01:32attended. I think it's a really great

01:33diverse group of participants and we met

01:37with the consultant from Barrett

01:39planning group. We had the opportunity

01:41to introduce ourselves and then there

01:42was like icebreaker activities where we

01:45talked about like if you were to host

01:47someone in Shrewsbury for one day where

01:49would you take them? Right? So, we sort

01:50of started talking about like what are

01:51your favorite spaces in town and you

01:53know what kind of spaces do you think

01:54make shoes very unique and there were a

01:56ton of different answers and then some

01:58overlap and then um you know that was

02:00just a good way to start to think about

02:02the kinds of things we want to protect

02:04and what we value and what we want to

02:05incorporate into the master plan and um

02:08it was pretty clear that our assignment

02:10is to be ambassadors to the community to

02:13be able to broaden this the amount of

02:15people that can engage with the process

02:18and there is website right now that's

02:21live on the town website. There's like a

02:24separate page for the master plan and

02:25every month there will be a question

02:28that residents are encouraged to respond

02:31to and um they'll be archived so if you

02:34miss a month you can go back and and

02:37give your answer and that's part of the

02:38feedback that's being collected to help

02:40shape the master plan.

02:42>> Excellent.

02:43>> Yeah, we have our next meeting next week

02:44and I hope to continue updating this

02:46this group as we go along.

02:48>> Excellent. Great. Thank you, B.

02:50>> Okay.

02:51>> And I I do have um

02:54something to share with the committee or

02:56with the trust. Uh I've been working um

02:59with the town manager on a proposal that

03:01will eventually be voted on at town

03:03meeting to um have the town adopt a

03:06community impact fee on short-term

03:08rentals. And at this trust knows that

03:10I've um consistently brought up that we

03:13don't really have a consistent funding

03:15stream. And so trying to find different

03:16ways for us to get some resources to

03:21help support the programs that we offer.

03:22It's not it's not a ton of money, so I'm

03:25not going to say it. I'm not going to

03:26present it as if it would be like a a

03:27huge windfall, but um should generate

03:31maybe 10 to $13,000 a year if if we were

03:34to accept that at town meeting. So, um,

03:38something to look forward to for annual

03:40next year,

03:41>> right?

03:42>> Share that with the the

03:43>> This is a short-term rental meeting,

03:45like an Airbnb type of thing.

03:46>> Airbnb. Yeah. Got it.

03:47>> Yep.

03:49>> That's great.

03:49>> And I I figured uh there'd be more

03:51interest in the community out there for

03:54people to convert maybe their ADUs um

03:56into short-term rentals since that's a

03:58big push

03:59>> from the administration is for these

04:02short-term rentals. I'm sorry, for ADUs.

04:04>> Got it. So um

04:06>> and those funds would come directly to

04:09this trust or into a coffers from the

04:12town which could then be used by this

04:13trust.

04:14>> So yeah, it would still um still working

04:17on what that would look like, but it

04:19would come to us.

04:20>> Got it.

04:20>> Okay,

04:22great.

04:23>> We could use all our every penny.

04:25[snorts]

04:25>> Yeah, absolutely.

04:27>> If it goes back into the community,

04:28that's a good thing.

04:29>> Exactly. Exactly.

04:32Um, anybody else have anything they'd

04:34like to share? Okay. Okay. Moving on to

04:37our new business, the rental assistance

04:40program update. Yeah. So, I am uh, you

04:45know, I'm excited to share that on

04:47September 18th, um, we had the official

04:50contract was signed between, uh, the

04:53Shbury, the town of Shbury, and Metro

04:55West Collaborative Development for the

04:57rental assistance program. Um, Metro

05:00West has um their extensive experience

05:03um helping administer rental assistant

05:05programs in towns like Westboro,

05:06Lincoln, um Boxar, and Brookline. Um you

05:11know, we uh the planning department

05:12staff met with Metro West about a couple

05:15weeks ago to talk about, you know, a few

05:17things like the application process, um

05:19the outreach materials, and you know, um

05:22how the program and other program

05:25details. Um and so kind of from that

05:28meeting uh there was um the the

05:32application would be a twostep process.

05:35I know we talked about how um if uh

05:39people who are not eligible um how you

05:43know we want to be able to filter that

05:45out and make sure that they know as soon

05:47as possible that they're not eligible so

05:48that they can go and look for other

05:50sources of funding um for assistance.

05:53And so um the applicant you know

05:57suggested or the the contractor Metro

05:59West suggested that we have a two-part

06:02um a pre-application and then an

06:04application. Um so that was one of the

06:06things that we discussed and then uh we

06:09discussed uh the eligibility

06:12requirements. Um I know one of the

06:14eligib eligibility requirements most of

06:16them they were um okay with. I think the

06:18the one that brought up was having a

06:20six-month minimum residency status in

06:23Shrewsbury. Um that was a um requirement

06:27that could be seen as a barrier uh to

06:29many applicants because if for example

06:32the scenario that they brought up is if

06:34they live if they've been living for at

06:35least three months then they apply with

06:38this application period is about two

06:39months. So by the time they receive

06:41funds they'll be living for six months.

06:43>> And so that was something that they

06:44suggested. Um, and so they said, "Oh,

06:47okay. I'll bring that back to the

06:48trust." Um, and

06:52um, and so the timeline, so they're

06:54going to send us, they're sent us

06:56materials. So, we're going to review the

06:58materials um provide any feedback town

07:01staff um and then send it back to them

07:04and then they will provide us the final

07:06um uh you know by the like probably the

07:10third or fourth week of October uh we'll

07:12you know have all the application

07:14materials like the application and all

07:16the documents finalized and then I think

07:19we will want a special meeting at the

07:21end of October to kind of see um you

07:24know I'll I'll send after the finalized

07:27documents um are sent to staff. I'll

07:30send that to the trust if they have any

07:31comment and then hopefully at the end of

07:33October, we'll have a a final, you know,

07:36special meeting to just approve the

07:38application. Then the first week of of

07:40November, we want to have that um have

07:42the application uh ready uh and open to

07:46the public.

07:48Um, we do have uh two staff members from

07:52uh um from Metro West Collaborative

07:55Development, Alyssa and Stephanie. I'm

07:57just going to mute myself so they can

08:00hear me.

08:04All right.

08:07Um so yeah same think this uh meeting uh

08:11was gives the opportunity for the trust

08:12to kind of you know if you have any

08:14questions to them um you know they can

08:17give maybe quick introduction and then

08:18after that the trust you know um can

08:21answer or they can ask any some quick

08:24questions to them if that makes sense.

08:27>> Good. All right.

08:30So, uh, as Kal said, I am Alisa Gardner

08:32Tadris. I am the COO at Metro West CD,

08:36and we have administered many rental

08:39assistance programs. We're excited to be

08:40doing this in Shrewsbury and very

08:43excited to see that it's a year-long

08:44program with regular monthly assistance.

08:48>> Hi, I'm Stephanie Peterson. I'm housing

08:50programs manager at Metro SD. Um I do a

08:53lot of work with affordable home

08:55ownership assistance programs um such as

08:58as the one we will be working with with

09:00shoes and also municipal consulting.

09:05>> Thank you.

09:08>> Um

09:09does anybody have any questions they'd

09:11like?

09:12>> Um yes actually I guess I guess I can

09:14start. Um hi uh my name is Lucas

09:17Remington. I'm a member of the uh

09:18Shrewsbury Housing Trust as you probably

09:20uh figured out. Uh, I was wondering, um,

09:23how would you measure like a successful

09:25rental assistance program? Are you going

09:27to be looking at the impact on sort of

09:29individuals? Are you going to be looking

09:31more at the community impact in just

09:33trying to make things more affordable

09:34for people across the board? Um, is

09:36there like any internal I know we're

09:37going to be getting a a report to you

09:39from what I believe at the end of this

09:40about the uh sort of efficacy of the

09:42program and I was wondering how what

09:44your criteria is going to be to uh sort

09:45of determine whether or not you consider

09:47it to be successful or how successful it

09:48is.

09:51Well, I think I mean the first thing I

09:53mean it will be sort of what your goals

09:55are and what you would like to see, but

09:57obviously the idea is if if we can help

09:59people out for a year that they can um

10:02they need to be self-sustaining after

10:04that year. So a success would be that

10:06they can they can get caught up enough

10:07in their budget or this frees up enough

10:10stress that they can you do what they

10:12need to do to tweak their budget in

10:14other places so that after the year is

10:17up they can continue this on their own.

10:20>> Great. That sounds great.

10:21>> Correct.

10:22>> Along those similar lines, do you

10:24measure in household served in funds

10:27deployed?

10:28>> Is it uh is it a head count? Is it is it

10:33um types of support they give? What are

10:36the I guess the raw metrics that I guess

10:38we would expect to see kind of at the

10:40end that say this is what we've done and

10:44this is what we can expect to hopefully

10:46continue to do.

10:48So, um, all the demographics will have,

10:51um, you know, the number of households.

10:54I mean, presumably like the money was

10:56presumed to go for 25 households at 500

10:59a month, but the calculation, they may

11:02not all need the 500 a month. That's the

11:04maximum amount. The idea of this rent

11:07assistance is is for households who are

11:09paying more than 30% of their income on

11:11rent because the definition of quote

11:13unquote affordable is not paying more

11:15than 30% of your gross income towards

11:18your rent or your housing expenses. So

11:20that would be rent plus utilities. Um

11:24so how many you know so it will be

11:26dollars spent how many households and

11:29then the breakdown of who's in that

11:30household the ages you know under 18

11:33over 55 number of household members

11:38um and then you know and any demographic

11:40information they're willing to share

11:42>> that we'll have that on a publication

11:45but it have to be optional. We can't

11:47require that they tell us things like

11:50>> their race and ethnicity and stuff like

11:52that, but if we have that information,

11:53we'll be collecting it. [clears throat]

11:56>> Yeah. And we also have a section on the

11:58application which will be share your

12:00story, which is also optional, but um

12:03you know, it's also an indicator of,

12:07you know, really being able to assess,

12:08you know, how just other details of the

12:12need for a particular household.

12:16Yeah.

12:17>> Hi, I'm Martha Ganon. Um, I'm the chair

12:20of the board. I have a question. So, if

12:24a household doesn't need the full $500,

12:28will you find another household, say

12:30they only need 200,

12:33would would it go to Would the $300 a

12:37month extra, would that go to another

12:39household or would that just remain in

12:41the trust? weird.

12:43>> Um, I would say for this pilot, uh,

12:46Martha, so right now we're doing 500

12:48like a a lump sum, like a a fixed $500.

12:52>> That's what I thought. Yeah. And I think

12:54part of the the pilot is to see what

12:56works and doesn't work. And I think, you

12:58know, um, if we want to have this a more

13:01if you want to have a a program, uh,

13:03more permanent program, uh, we can kind

13:06of tweak it to say, okay, based on maybe

13:08your income level or some sort of

13:09criteria that, uh, you, uh,

13:13>> um, you can maybe have you like the

13:16resist your the assistance to a

13:18household will be $300 instead of 500.

13:20So like the there can be a minimum of

13:22like 200 or 250 and then a maximum of

13:25500. I just I was just when she said,

13:27you know, the household if the household

13:29doesn't need it. I didn't know if that

13:30applied to our program. That's that

13:32question. That's all. I just didn't know

13:34if it was specific to this program or

13:36that's in general how they

13:38>> I apologize. No, that's all right. No,

13:40no, no, no worries.

13:41>> And I'm sorry I didn't introduce myself

13:42earlier. It was Ross Geller. I'm also a

13:44member on the affordable housing trust.

13:45Um, rolling right into it. Just a

13:47another quick question. I heard we

13:49recommended or there was a

13:50recommendation to do a pre-application

13:53and then an application. Um, filling out

13:56extra forms doesn't usually,

13:59no one likes to fill out extra forms.

14:01However, filling out a first form to

14:03find out if you should even fill out the

14:05second one, I understand. How easy are

14:08we making this or how easy do you make

14:10it for someone to fill out both forms

14:13because I don't want like nobody likes

14:15to go say to the pharmacy to get

14:16medication twice. They'd like to get it

14:18once, right? Nobody wants to really fill

14:20out two applications if it is a

14:22burdensome for them, especially if

14:24perhaps maybe they don't have uh access

14:27to get somewhere or access to even a

14:29computer if it's online.

14:31>> Well, that that is the reason for the

14:33two-part uh because the second part is a

14:36lot more burdensome if you will because

14:39that's where we need to confirm that

14:41they are indeed income eligible. So, we

14:42need a lot of documentation

14:45to verify that. The first the

14:47pre-application is just very basic. They

14:50self-certify. We we give them the

14:52maximum income and they you know certify

14:55that they're under that limit and they

14:58we ask for proof of residency. Um you

15:02know that they're a Shbury resident that

15:03they live where they say they live and

15:05um

15:07uh I think that that they they we ask

15:10for a government issued ID just so we

15:12can they prove who they are. And it

15:14doesn't have to be, you know, doesn't

15:17have to be a passport. It could be a

15:18passport from any country. It can be a

15:20license. It can be a state ID, but just

15:22something so we can verify who they are.

15:24And then assuming that the their

15:26self-certification says they're income

15:28eligible, then we'll give them the more

15:30detailed part two. But if they're if if

15:34they look at the income limits and

15:36they're not eligible, then that saves

15:38them from that more detailed part two.

15:40Would

15:42it make sense to do the verification or

15:45do a a soft verification after that

15:48pre-approval process so that they don't

15:51put something down

15:52>> that isn't completely accurate and then

15:55find out later they filled out all the

15:56forms and they actually weren't eligible

15:58at all?

16:02>> I don't think so. I think the

16:04pre-application is is sort of that soft

16:06verification. I mean, folks

16:08[clears throat]

16:09know, um,

16:12you know, we we really haven't had, like

16:13I said, we've done a lot of these, um,

16:15and this system seems to work really

16:18well. Um, because it's it's it's enough

16:22of a real application that they need to

16:24take it seriously and they can't just

16:25fill anything out, but it's not so

16:27burdensome that it would prevent anybody

16:29from applying.

16:31Where do you see the ones that do get

16:33stuck in the application get stuck the

16:37most? Thinking about where we need to

16:39provide the most support along that

16:40process.

16:42>> It would be for part two all the income

16:44information that we ask for. Um we we

16:47can work with town staff. I mean

16:49different towns have different

16:52thresholds for how much information we

16:54want to collect. Um, but things like how

16:58many payubs, how many bank accounts, uh,

17:00do we want? I mean, we often will ask

17:03for taxes, but that's actually more for

17:06household size than for, um, income

17:10because for income, we're looking

17:12forward, not backwards.

17:14>> Okay. So, it's really, you would say the

17:16documentation component is where they

17:17get stuck the most.

17:19>> Yeah. Yeah. And possibly with hardware

17:22issues as well. my, you know, my my

17:24scanner just broke. I don't have a

17:26computer. Um, so just,

17:28>> you know, having the resource to

17:31>> to copy those documents and get them to

17:33usable,

17:35>> if I'm hearing it correctly, it's it's

17:37obtaining the documentation and then

17:40it's generating a copy or scanning it

17:42in. Those are the two fault points.

17:46>> Yes. And we will I mean you know we will

17:49have paper versions for people who

17:50either don't like a computer or not

17:52comfortable with a computer but even a

17:54paper version of the application all the

17:56documents that are required to come with

17:57it

17:58>> they need to find right

18:00>> the bank papers the W2s that that kind

18:02of thing.

18:03>> Okay. Okay.

18:05>> Um what is the approximate time frame

18:08timeline of getting approved? I know a

18:11lot depends upon the person applying,

18:13but in the perfect world, how long does

18:15it take typically?

18:21>> Um, I guess it depends on how organized

18:23a person is. It can take anywhere from a

18:25couple days to a couple weeks.

18:27>> Okay.

18:29>> Yeah. Because there could be follow-up

18:30questions on something that was

18:32submitted or if there's missing

18:34documentation. I mean,

18:36you know, accidentally leaving something

18:38out is is not a basis for exclusion. So,

18:42we do follow up with folks if if we need

18:44clarification or additional documents.

18:50>> Can I ask

18:51>> what happens if the application's

18:53incomplete or the household is right on

18:56the border, right? Is it a yes no or is

18:58it a hey, they clearly have a need and

19:02they're right there. What happens? M

19:05>> I think we would I mean

19:08>> that turns into a slippery slope.

19:11>> So I think it depends on how right on

19:13the border they are. I mean we would

19:14obviously come to town staff and say

19:16here's this family.

19:19Um I mean the idea behind the twomonth

19:22open application period is we will sort

19:26of enroll people in the program as they

19:28as we can qualify them. We won't, you

19:31know, we're not going to, if we have,

19:33ideally, let's say we start, we open the

19:36program November 2nd and keep it open

19:38through the end of December,

19:40you know, as early as we can is if

19:43everybody if we have 25 people enrolled

19:45by then, we can just start the first

19:48rent check could go out in January.

19:52Um,

19:55so it

19:57I guess you know given that the the

20:00budget is 25 people at 500 a month. If

20:02we're not at 25 people at the end of the

20:04two-month period,

20:06then we'll come back to you and see how

20:09you want to handle it.

20:14>> Um, go ahead. No, go ahead. So for for

20:17individuals or families who may not

20:19qualify after they've filled out the

20:21application, are they provided with any

20:23resources that might help them um just

20:27seek assistance in other ways where they

20:29might qualify? Is there any sort of

20:31followup?

20:32>> I think Kushall mentioned that. Yeah.

20:34And that that's the idea is that

20:35hopefully we can point them to other

20:36resources to help make their budget go

20:38further. Um

20:43>> thank you.

20:45Okay. Um, so I know that at the end of

20:49the the sort of trial period that we

20:52have, you're going to be providing us

20:53with a report uh discussing sort of

20:55everything that went on in it and

20:57providing recommendations, etc., etc.

20:58Um, I was wondering if for any previous

21:00communities, you also did sort of a

21:02follow-up study like maybe some some

21:05months to year after sort of working

21:07with those communities to see what the

21:10overall impacts on the communities were.

21:11It's possible that you haven't, but I

21:12would be very interested to sort of

21:14examine that if that's something you've

21:15done. I'm assuming that the sort of most

21:17common goal for this is to sort of allow

21:18for that self-sufficiency.

21:21I think that would be a a good thing to

21:22assess.

21:25>> Yeah. So, we haven't so

21:28we every other year we survey all of our

21:31clients that we serve in all our

21:32different programs [clears throat]

21:34>> and but we haven't done project specific

21:37surveys after a program ends. Although

21:40we're currently running a very similar

21:42program in Lexington and they want a

21:44follow-up survey when their program is

21:45over.

21:46>> Okay.

21:46>> But we're still running it, so it's not

21:48over yet.

21:49>> Okay. And is there any chance uh I I

21:52just I don't really know the timeline

21:53for it. Um is that something you'd be

21:56like releasing publicly or is that

21:57something we would need to ask them for

21:58if that's something we'd like to sort of

22:00examine?

22:04>> Um

22:06>> like I I I'm assuming it's something you

22:08couldn't just provide to us. I'm not

22:09sure if you have permission to do that.

22:12>> Exactly. I I either you could ask them

22:14directly or we could go to them and say

22:18>> Shrewber's been, you know, would like to

22:20see this information.

22:22>> Yeah.

22:22>> Um

22:23>> Okay, great. Yeah, that that would be

22:25awesome. We can talk about that at a

22:27later date.

22:29>> Um I have a question. What is just from

22:33your experience the success rate that um

22:36for families and people with this rental

22:38assistance? Does it help them get you

22:42know for the following year to get like

22:44on their feet

22:46um to be able to pay the rent on their

22:48own or do do people reapply for rental

22:51assistance with you?

22:55we've sort of seen I mean a lot of pro

22:58are timelmited or just run out of funds.

23:01So, um, but I think it definitely helps

23:06because you a lot of times, you know,

23:07these are folks who are really living

23:09paycheck to paycheck

23:10>> and so maybe they got in a car accident

23:14or they just have an older car that

23:15needed an expensive repair and so they

23:17fell behind and having the rent

23:19assistance allows them to get caught up

23:21and maybe pay off some credit card bills

23:24or, you know, get an, you know, get that

23:28car that they were just, you know,

23:30holding together with, you you know,

23:31chewing gum and scotch tape. Um, so I

23:34think I think it does help a lot. Um, in

23:38terms of the self-sufficiency,

23:41this the ongoing rental assistance

23:43programs, we have had people come off it

23:44because they no longer need it

23:46>> and that's really nice to see. Um,

23:50and we we also run rent a rears programs

23:54and that definitely helps people because

23:56they just need help getting caught up

23:58because they just don't have that

23:59savings account where they could tap

24:02into

24:04>> if they had that car repair or that

24:05medical expense or their child got sick

24:08and they had to take three weeks off of

24:09work, that kind of thing.

24:14I know this is a a pilot program at

24:1625,000. Um, in a renewal organizations

24:20and renewal towns that you've worked

24:22with, what is a typical amount that is

24:26carved out,

24:29>> the annual rent assistance program?

24:33>> Um, about 100,000.

24:40Um,

24:40>> and that helps roughly 20 households.

24:45>> Alyssa, I actually want to go back. I

24:46know Martha had a question that I

24:48actually but um if you kind of want to

24:50talk about um her question about uh like

24:54any uh communities that kind of do they

24:57don't have a fixed pro like um

24:59assistance, but they do kind of you know

25:01they have a minimum or they have it

25:03based on income. Are there any

25:04communities that is that you're

25:06currently serving that does that

25:10>> that I'm sorry I don't understand the

25:12question

25:13>> for like communities I think it was

25:15Lexington that you know there's not a

25:17fixed assistance but you know there's

25:19like a minimum assistance that's maybe

25:21$250 or it's based on their income level

25:24you know some people get $250 some get

25:26300 some get 350

25:28>> like a sliding scale

25:29>> a sliding scale

25:31>> right right so their minimum amount is

25:33$50.

25:34>> Oh.

25:35>> And they actually have no maximum.

25:38So the way that program is structured is

25:40sort of what I was explaining earlier,

25:43which is not how you're doing it. You

25:44just want the flat 500 a month to folks

25:46to matter if they need that amount or

25:48not. In Lexington, it's uh their program

25:52is making up the difference between 30%

25:54of their income and their housing

25:57expenses.

25:59>> Okay. Okay. So that could be minimum $50

26:03up to a couple thousand.

26:07>> Yeah. We also, you know, work with

26:09another municipality where their program

26:12it's it's a sliding scale, but it's

26:14capped at 500 and change. So it's not

26:17it's not fully getting to the point of

26:20making up the difference between 30% of

26:23household income and the rent, but it's

26:25still a sliding scale.

26:32Um, I guess another question I ha a

26:35question I have is um I guess towns like

26:37Shbury and Lexington with which are high

26:40have high area median incomes. Do you

26:43have um a hard well first part is do you

26:46have a hard time finding people um who

26:49are eligible and second maybe if the

26:52would you um would you recommend maybe

26:54opening the applicant pool like the the

26:56the income requirements to maybe 90 or

26:59100% of area median income because CPC

27:02funds are 100% but I was just um have

27:05you seen any communities that do that

27:06because they haven't had their applica

27:08applicant pool is maybe too small.

27:13>> Um, I would say in Lexington

27:17the applicant pool was small but not

27:19because of the income limit. I think

27:21they had capped the rents.

27:24Um and I think that um kept some people

27:27out but um

27:32can't I mean in any other program the

27:3580% AMI has has garnered enough

27:38interest. Um I think it's more how much

27:41rental housing is in town? How many

27:43renters do you have who are in need? Um,

27:49and I guess with a pilot program, I

27:50don't know how

27:52flexible you want to be as the program

27:54is running.

27:57>> Uh, are you willing to twe, you know,

28:00tweak it mid-stream or do you want to

28:01run it for a year and see how it went?

28:04Um because that's the other thing is if

28:07you know if a month into our application

28:09process we're not seeing that we're

28:10getting close to the 25 we could then

28:14you know since we have two months for

28:15that second month we can open it up to

28:17people of higher incomes or if that

28:19doesn't feel comfortable

28:22>> um you know we could

28:26and I you know we could structure you

28:27could prioritize folks at 80% but if

28:30>> if there's room include 100%. I mean

28:32that's really your call.

28:34>> Okay.

28:38>> With what we've proposed so far, what

28:40you've seen, do you feel like our going

28:42in proposition and limits is appropriate

28:45for the town of Shrewsbury?

28:49>> I think so. Yeah.

28:51>> Okay.

28:56>> All right. um as well as the sort of

28:58check-in period at the end based on what

28:59you were saying earlier, do you think it

29:01would make sense to have like quarterly

29:03or thrice yearly check-ins sort of

29:06discussing um sort of things you've

29:08noticed about the pilot program and

29:09giving us the chance to sort of give

29:11input and make adjustments if necessary?

29:13Um or would you recommend as you said

29:15before just running it all the way

29:17through, you know, completing the

29:18experiment and then just sort of

29:19returning with the results?

29:23>> Um I'm happy to check in if you would

29:25like it. I mean it is typical that folks

29:28want at least want some kind of like

29:30quarterly report to know how things are

29:32going. Um and we're happy to do that. We

29:36can do that you know informally

29:37verbally. We can submit something

29:39written to Kashall. I mean however um

29:42you know that's

29:44>> I think this program I think once it's

29:46up and running um seems like it'll be

29:50fairly straightforward.

29:52Um but

29:55um you know we can we can certainly give

29:58quarterly reports on how much money we

30:00spent to date, how many households

30:02started with us and are still with us,

30:04that kind of thing.

30:05>> I imagine you have some sort of format

30:07you use. I wouldn't

30:09>> Yeah, I wouldn't imagine that we need to

30:11reinvent too much. I think personally I

30:13think quarterly is fine and you would

30:14just call out to us earlier if there's

30:17either not enough funds or not enough

30:20applicants.

30:22Okay. Yeah, that works for me.

30:24>> So, if there's an issue that arises um

30:28with the rent, the landlord or the

30:30tenant, is that something you will

30:32handle or come back to the trust and let

30:35us know if if somebody has moved out,

30:37the tenant moves,

30:40something like that,

30:42>> right? So, we'll certainly let you know

30:43if someone drops out of the program for

30:45that kind of reason. the tenants and the

30:47partic the tenants and the landlords

30:50sign participation agreements and in

30:52those agreements they um

30:56basically it's a contract that says if

30:58something changes if somebody moves we

31:01need to know because the landlord can't

31:03keep collecting the $500 a month

31:06>> if a tenant doesn't live there anymore.

31:08>> Okay.

31:12>> Um I want to thank you both for for

31:14being here. Carlos Kirsty, I don't know

31:16if you can Can you see us, by the way?

31:19>> We can see you.

31:20>> You can see us. Okay, great. [laughter]

31:21I was unsure.

31:23>> I'm like I don't know what your your

31:25view is. Um, just thank you. We're

31:27really excited for us to launch this

31:30program and work in collaboration with

31:31you. Um, and appreciate the questions

31:34that my colleagues here have been

31:36asking. There's a lot of information

31:38that you require, of course, to run this

31:41program. I I was curious if you could

31:43just talk a bit about for the benefit of

31:45those watching and for us um how you

31:48protect folks's

31:51um data that you're collecting.

31:54>> So we um if it's submitted online, it's

31:58all secure. We have like we have a

32:01secure database. Um if you submit it to

32:04us on paper, we will put it into our

32:08secure database and then we shred it. uh

32:11any documents with you know personal

32:13identificate identifying information tax

32:16forms bank statements all that gets if

32:18if we have physical copies of that it

32:20will get shredded

32:22>> that's very helpful

32:24>> okay and then I I think just my last

32:26question and this maybe it's a high

32:28level um

32:30could you speak to some of the

32:32challenges that you've faced in other

32:35communities that you've administered

32:37similar programs

32:40like this or are there any challenges?

32:44>> I guess

32:45>> I think the biggest challenge is the

32:46document collection.

32:47>> Yeah, that's really um because it is a

32:51lot of information but we do need it

32:53because um unfortunately there are

32:56fraudsters out there and we try to be

32:59very diligent to make sure that this

33:00money is going to real people who really

33:03live in town whose landlord is really

33:05their landlord. Um, and there's kind of

33:08no shortcut.

33:10>> Um, you know, because that's that's an

33:14unfortunate reality that we have seen.

33:16Um, but that that's probably the biggest

33:18challenge. But we work with folks. We'll

33:20call them. We'll help them. We'll, you

33:22know,

33:23>> do as much as we can to help them submit

33:26the documentation that we need.

33:30>> That's excellent to hear that. Um,

33:32effectively the the application is the

33:35barrier to entry, which makes sense. Um,

33:38when you do come across said fraudsters,

33:41which I expect you do quite often, um,

33:43is there a list or is there uh, do you

33:48flag it, I guess, so that we can be on

33:50the lookout for other programs that we

33:52have across town of the same

33:53individuals?

33:55>> Uh, we're happy to share that list with

33:57you. Yeah, I mean, we flag it. we see,

34:00you know, it's surprisingly no matter

34:02what our rent assistance program is,

34:04whatever town they're in, they use their

34:06same name. [laughter] So,

34:09they're not the brightest.

34:13[laughter and gasps]

34:14So, and we also make sure like if

34:17somebody says they're renting an

34:19individual home versus an apartment,

34:23>> um,

34:24>> it could be legitimate, but that that

34:27rent check will go to the owner of

34:28record. It's not going to go to whoever

34:30they claim is a property manager,

34:32>> but we will

34:34>> cross reference your, you know,

34:36assessor's database to confirm that the

34:38owner is the owner. and things seem

34:40fishy, that's that's the kind of thing

34:41it gets flagged and that's the kind of

34:45situations they they try to pull.

34:48>> Yeah. And we're and we're perfectly

34:50happy to pass that along to the town. Um

34:53we we definitely flag it internally

34:55because we've seen

34:57the same folks apply to different towns.

35:00So,

35:01>> right. Yeah, I would think it um I don't

35:04want to create more work for you, but I

35:06think it would be helpful as we think

35:07about the programs that we're putting in

35:09place and the programs that we want to

35:11put in place. Um so that we start to

35:14have that list.

35:16Um

35:17>> yeah, I mean fortunately it's not it's

35:18not too it's not terribly long, so

35:21that's the good news. But it is there

35:23are, you know, I don't know, 10 15

35:26people out there whose names we keep

35:27seeing

35:28>> repeat offenders. [laughter] Yep.

35:31Um I have a question for um when doing

35:34the application process if somebody is

35:37of dis if

35:40the language are there going to be

35:41people that could help with different

35:43languages.

35:45>> Yes. Yeah. We have we use um Boost Lingo

35:49>> which is a um translation service. We

35:52also have an in-house um staff member

35:55who speaks Spanish.

35:57>> Okay.

35:59Um I guess to add to that point um the

36:03this is uh so um Metro West

36:06Collaborative they worked in Westboro

36:07for the Westboro rental assistance

36:09program through the rent Westboro

36:10affordable housing trust and um they h

36:12they worked with someone from Westboro

36:15Family Services and so I did reach out

36:17to this week to um Shbury Youth and

36:21Family Services. So at some point this

36:22month I hope to you know um get them and

36:26have a collaboration if that's possible

36:28to like have that added verification.

36:31Well one part is to help them you know

36:33help any people you know uh uh any

36:36residents with the applications and also

36:38that two part is to they might have you

36:40know connections with the community as

36:42Beth has mentioned and so to make sure

36:44that these are real people living in the

36:45community.

36:46>> Yeah that's the other thing.

36:47>> Yeah that's there was another group too

36:48that you had mentioned in the last

36:50meeting I forgot.

36:50>> Oh St. St. Human Services. They are the

36:53food pantry in town.

36:55>> Yeah. So, Melissa, are you familiar with

36:58the Shrewsbury Youth and Family Services

36:59as well as St. An's here in town?

37:02>> I'm not, but I'm happy to meet them and

37:05work with them because that it is very

37:06useful. I think I mean when I when I

37:09were talking earlier I mean that that

37:12was the kind of thing I had mentioned is

37:13very helpful to have a service agency

37:16involved and somebody who's you know

37:18boots on the ground in town who would

37:20know these families and can also refer

37:22them to the program. Yeah, I think

37:24you'll have similar um individuals and

37:26households that that have similar needs

37:28and there are hyper both are hyper local

37:30organizations which

37:33>> we would hope would generate the proper

37:35outreach and getting the funds to the

37:37proper families.

37:42>> Any other questions, thoughts, comments?

37:44>> Thank you, Michelle.

37:45>> Thank you so much for being here.

37:47>> Thank you, ladies. Thank you very much.

37:48We really appreciate it um you taking

37:51the time tonight and we look forward to

37:53continuing this partnership.

37:57>> Very nice meeting you all.

37:59>> Thank you. Thank you so much.

38:01>> Have a great evening.

38:02>> You too. Thank you.

38:04>> Bye.

38:04>> Bye.

38:07>> Excellent.

38:11>> Okay. Next, we're going to the

38:13affordable home.

38:15>> Repair program. um

38:17>> the the discuss the date.

38:19>> Oh, yeah.

38:19>> Sorry. Okay. So, we need to discuss the

38:22date for the special meeting.

38:24>> Yeah. So, um I think kind of I I don't

38:28know if you So, the email I sent out was

38:30that assuming that we have all the

38:33documents ready by the end of October.

38:35Um, I was looking at either October 27th

38:41or 28th for that availability. Like this

38:46would be a quick 10-minute meeting, I

38:48think, unless I'll probably send an

38:50email unless we want to have a longer

38:52conversation. But, um, I will share the

38:54documents, the finalized documents in

38:56advance so that at the meeting if we

38:58have anything, we can bring that up. Um,

39:00and can always, you know, email me back

39:02right before the meeting if you have any

39:03comments. But the idea is to have that

39:06so by the next week we can have the the

39:10application uh open to the public if

39:12that uh makes sense to the trust.

39:16>> Yeah,

39:17>> I'm available.

39:18>> Um yeah. Okay. So, right now I'll

39:20definitely check in again with the with

39:23all of you, but I'm looking for October

39:2627th. That's Tuesday at 6 PM. Um I will

39:29there is a select board meeting. I'm

39:31just looking at that right now. So, um,

39:36if that could be even earlier, I could

39:38do that. Maybe I'll look that 5:30 or 6

39:41depending on how the trust um feels

39:43about that. I don't anticipate this to

39:45be a too um too long of a meeting. Um,

39:48so yeah, I would just

39:50>> Okay.

39:51>> Can be on the 27th.

39:52>> On the 27th. Okay. soccer practice

39:56>> and I'm the coach unfortunately

39:58[laughter]

40:03>> either are you look you're looking for

40:04feedback either [laughter]

40:07>> but it's okay if you don't know

40:08immediately

40:09>> yeah as long as it's you know there's

40:11enough buffer time if

40:13>> if we do the Tuesday if there's enough

40:15buffer time between meetings that'll be

40:17great

40:18>> um but if Wednesday works best for

40:20everyone else that works for me so

40:22>> 27th works works better for me. If I do

40:25the 28th, I have to be done by 5:45.

40:29>> Okay.

40:29>> Because I have something at 6.

40:31>> I would actually also appreciate it if

40:32we could do it earlier on either of

40:34those days.

40:35>> Same.

40:36>> Okay.

40:36>> I'm available earlier on Tuesday.

40:39>> Okay.

40:40>> Is it like 5:00?

40:41>> That's fine. I work from home. I can get

40:43down here. No problem.

40:45>> And this will be a virtual. This will

40:46not Sorry. So, I wanted to emphasize

40:48this won't be in person meeting. So that

40:50um if you can I can accommodate

40:52everyone. This will be virtual.

40:54>> Okay. Totally changes.

40:55>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

40:56>> Yeah.

40:57>> Yeah. 5:00. Great. For you

40:59>> virtually at 5:00 that works for

41:00>> Yeah, it works for me.

41:02>> Yeah. The because the idea is this would

41:04be uh only for uh voting on the

41:07application and the rental assistance

41:09program. So we wouldn't have anything

41:10else on the agenda.

41:11>> Great. And this would be via Zoom.

41:14>> Uh Google Meets is what usually the

41:16town. So that's honestly better for me.

41:18Great. Sure.

41:22>> Okay. So, I guess I don't

41:24>> I think we just decided at 5:00 on the

41:2627th.

41:27>> Is there official vote that the trust

41:28needs to

41:29>> Do we need to do that?

41:30>> I don't think you need to vote to set up

41:32a meeting.

41:32>> Okay.

41:33>> I don't think I don't think that needs

41:34to

41:34>> Okay. All right. So, we've done the 27th

41:38at 5:00 p.m.

41:39>> Okay. And you'll send out our links. So,

41:43we'll be all set there. Wonderful. All

41:45right. Now we can move on to the

41:48affordable home repair program update.

41:52>> All right. So um at the September uh

41:55meeting uh u I provided the trust the

41:58finalized uh recapture agreement. So

42:00that was a document um that states that

42:03if residents move out of their house

42:04within five years of receiving the funds

42:07um uh they will have to return um a

42:10portion of the funds. Um I did I know

42:13there was um a discussion there was

42:16discussion last meeting about you know

42:18um situations that you know if the

42:21homeowner passes away or if the

42:23homeowner has to move due to

42:24extenduating circumstances. I did reach

42:27out to um uh Habitat for Humanity just

42:31to ask you know what is their policy in

42:33other towns and they they said that

42:36because it's it's been a rare occurrence

42:38you know um majority of the times people

42:40have uh stayed or you know aged in place

42:42if it's if they're seniors and so um

42:45they've treated it as a case-byase basis

42:48um I definitely can go back to town

42:50council if uh you know the trust feels

42:52that there should be maybe some type of

42:54standard you know set I mean at least in

42:56the recapture agreement because the

42:58recapture agreement is specific to each

43:01uh uh property. So I guess the way we

43:04can at least my suggestion we can

43:05structure is to have the recapture

43:07agreement specific to you know um a

43:11person. Of course we can't really I

43:13guess the the catch is we can't really

43:15predict you know what would happen. So

43:17maybe I can, you know, I'll get this to

43:20count council and maybe have their

43:22opinion on what could be something um

43:24that could capture different scenarios.

43:27>> Can recapture agreements? I don't know.

43:29Not a legal person be person and

43:32residents. So it's it is individual and

43:34the address. The idea with the Worcester

43:38Registry of Deeds is to have that um to

43:41have um it could be the person under

43:44address, but the idea is to have it tied

43:47so that there is um some sort of

43:49documentation that again they do have to

43:51pay back

43:52>> um if they move. Um

43:54>> yeah, I'm thinking of the time where we

43:56start and then two months later

43:58something happens

43:59>> and it doesn't get caught. we have some

44:01recourse that says

44:03>> this no longer was that individual at

44:05this address. So, you know, we have the

44:08ability to call back if you

44:10>> I think so one of the email that I've uh

44:12talked to so they said they have their

44:14own attorney. So, you know, for

44:16situations like this, which are rare

44:17that they've mentioned that um we could

44:20work with their attorney and with our

44:21town council to have some type of

44:23additional documentation that um

44:25provided, you know, that they okay, they

44:28um

44:29uh you know, either a portion of the

44:31fund. So, I guess at least their

44:33response is that it would be you know, a

44:35specific based on the situation.

44:37>> Um and that was their answer. So,

44:41>> it seems reasonable. I would expect

44:42that. This doesn't happen often, but we

44:45would want to make sure we have

44:46something that points and says, "Yeah,

44:48that that doesn't fly or that something

44:51happened. We need to recapture the

44:53funds."

44:56>> Well, they have to sign the recapture

44:58agreement

44:59>> when

45:01I'm talking more about the clawback, I

45:02guess.

45:02>> The clawback.

45:03>> Yeah.

45:04>> We want I mean, we want to avoid that,

45:06right? But if we had to, we want to be

45:08able to say like definitively, no, like

45:10this this is not the agreement that was

45:12in place. It is void. Therefore,

45:19did they not going off of that topic,

45:23did they mention anything about trusts,

45:26homes that are in trusts and

45:28eligibility?

45:30>> Uh, no. I can reach back to them. But

45:33that was the email that they answered

45:34was we treat it as a specific case.

45:37>> Well, I'm thinking more that you said

45:39recapture is per address, right?

45:42>> When a home is in a trust versus by

45:45owned by a person,

45:47>> there's different

45:50tax components to that.

45:52>> Okay.

45:52>> And so they may simply not be eligible

45:55if it's in a trust. I don't know. But I

45:57would imagine there's different

45:58eligibility criteria in those cases.

46:01Okay.

46:03>> Yeah, I can get back to them on that

46:04specific question. Okay. Yeah.

46:09>> I was going to say we'll have to look

46:11see if we have any if somebody applies

46:14in that situation.

46:18>> I mean, they may very well still need

46:19the funds of course, right? We want to

46:20be able to if if they need it and

46:23they're the right family unit, we should

46:25absolutely find a way to get them.

46:26>> But they have to be a resident. So, the

46:28person

46:29>> Yeah. But you could have a a revocable

46:31living trust and still live at your

46:32home,

46:33>> right?

46:35>> Well, my parents have it, but I'm the

46:36owner. Like, I'm the trust, so I

46:38technically own their house, so they

46:40couldn't have that done because

46:42>> bingo. Right. They

46:43>> That's what I'm thinking about the same

46:45time. Right.

46:46>> Right.

46:48>> Unfortunately, I'm going through some of

46:49this myself trying to think through it

46:51the right way.

46:52>> Okay. All right. Definitely something I

46:54would need to bring up in town council

46:57because yeah, it's that that is not

47:00Yeah, it's not in the recapture

47:01agreement or in the um our uh letter of

47:05agreement. So definitely something that

47:07we need to bring up with town council.

47:10>> Okay.

47:14Um, and so let me just so I have this

47:18signed document that I can share with

47:22all of you. [snorts]

47:42Can all of you see that? I can zoom in

47:45if it's too small.

47:46>> I'm all right.

47:51>> This is the material. Right.

47:56>> It should be signed. She's wearing

47:58letter.

48:00>> It was uploaded.

48:02Okay. Um so

48:05uh I think kind of so this was the

48:07second iteration so or the second

48:10revised um or the it was the second

48:13revision so this was the finalized

48:14version um after we provided comments

48:17with town council um uh with town

48:21council any recommendations I think

48:24again I'll just slowly go through this

48:27um and then again so the term agreement

48:30will run from October 1st through

48:31September started 2027.

48:34Um,

48:38she's very affordable housing trust. We

48:40did put in um the AMI in this. So, it's

48:45good to know. Um,

48:50I think most of it was at least for uh

48:54members who were who are aware the

48:56who've seen the previous versions. Um

48:58the major uh revisions were um that the

49:03town council added that the trust will

49:05not be liable for any of the work that

49:07is done because we are simply uh a

49:09funding mechanism for uh for residents.

49:14So that was um

49:15>> where does liability then lie?

49:18>> Just go down. Um

49:20>> I I could just read, right?

49:23>> Yeah. Let's see.

49:33Yeah, it doesn't actually explicitly say

49:35it. You [snorts] remember?

49:44>> So it says liability builders risk and

49:46work compensation insurance policies.

49:48>> Yeah. Shberry. [clears throat]

49:50Yeah. So over here the Shbury affordable

49:53housing trust um

49:57>> so Habitat

49:58>> would have those and then any volunteers

50:01would have to sign a waiver

50:02>> right

50:02>> there affordable housing trust will not

50:04be responsible for managing or

50:06controlling sorry

50:14uh um

50:17uh for managing or controlling the home

50:19improvement projects in the shoes before

50:20the high trust have no about liability

50:22for the work performed. So that was um

50:25something important that town council um

50:29added

50:34and so um yes so we have this

50:38documentation this letter of agreement

50:41um we have it signed they sent it to us

50:43and then I do uh we can again we can

50:47discuss this a bit more and then after

50:48that I can have you sign yeah okay any

50:51other

50:54Any other questions?

50:56Um, I have a question

51:01and it's something that

51:04was in the back of the habitat thing.

51:08The the age 60 does does the minimum p

51:13does the person need to be at least 60

51:15years old? So this is in their

51:18application that they sent to um the

51:21trust that they that they use. So I've

51:23uploaded that to the drive.

51:25>> Um so I did reach out to them. So they

51:28have they just sent me today a revised

51:30one that they've removed that.

51:31>> They did remove it. Okay.

51:33>> Removed that. Um so uh that application

51:38that is also there for trust members if

51:40they've reviewed that but in kind of it

51:43basically kind of goes through um it is

51:45a a little bit similar to the rental

51:47assistance program application um uh in

51:52in the sense that so there is there is

51:54the way that this application works is

51:56there is an interest form that uh

51:59residents have to fill out and that's

52:01kind of the pre-application

52:03uh form. what way, you know, they

52:05determine their eligibility and then

52:07they move on to the to the application

52:09and so that we're able to again the goal

52:12is to save people time and you know not

52:15um if they're not eligible have them

52:17apply for something that they you know

52:19hear a month later that they're not

52:20eligible for. Um and so that is on their

52:23website. Um, so that will be part of uh

52:26what we're sharing uh to um to

52:30residents.

52:33>> It's pretty straightforward.

52:36It's just collecting the data.

52:41>> Um okay, I'll do it after

52:47>> questions.

52:49>> Yeah, I think I just have I have two

52:50questions. Um just going back to the

52:52recapture agreement.

52:54>> Mhm.

52:54>> Um

52:57in the eligibility for this program um

53:02one of the

53:04>> criteria

53:06um refers to incomeroucing property.

53:09>> Um I I don't know how to word my

53:11question. I I guess I was thinking about

53:14if

53:17someone gets a repair and then a few

53:20years down the line they either add an

53:23ADU or they do something with their

53:26property where it then becomes an

53:27incomeroucing

53:29property. Would that also be in the

53:32recapture agreement or is that is that

53:34in there?

53:36>> That is a good question. I would look

53:38into that because that's a very specific

53:41um instance because under zoning ADUs

53:44can have separate ownership. So um if a

53:48situation that they build an ADU and

53:50they sell it, that's technically not a

53:52part of their uh home anymore. And ADUs

53:55actually have separate addresses. So the

53:58assessors when um for anyone watching if

54:01they're interested in building IDUs in

54:03Shrewbury um the assessors first assign

54:06a separate address you know so unit one

54:08or unit two or like even you know um a

54:12new like for for example like Green

54:15Street you know if we have 13 Green

54:18Street is the address and you're doing

54:19ADU it'll be like 13 Green Street unit

54:21one or you know so like some type of

54:24marker that it's separate because um

54:27ADUs also even if you're attached ADUs

54:30we treat them as separate units okay and

54:32separate so they have their whole so um

54:36I would check back to that but I don't

54:39um

54:40>> that means that the recapture agreement

54:41would have a different address

54:42>> right

54:43>> yeah okay

54:44>> so

54:45that's a good question I will I'll look

54:47back into that yeah

54:49>> oh that that information is helpful

54:50though

54:51>> I don't think I fully realized it that

54:52way so

54:53>> well that could bring up another problem

54:56[laughter]

54:59because if I get my house fixed, who

55:03says now a year later, say one of the

55:08people who lived in the house passed

55:10away and they need the other person

55:12needs to rent a room

55:15to help with the income. I mean, it's

55:18already been fixed, but we wouldn't go

55:20after somebody, you know, and now it's

55:22an incomeroucing property.

55:28define incomeroucing property though.

55:30Are we talking about like this is a

55:31place that they're not living in and

55:33it's rented out? Like maybe that's the

55:34issue. Like what's the definition of

55:36income producing? You're living in a

55:38three family home and you're renting two

55:40floors of it or you took on a roommate

55:42because you can't afford your mortgage

55:44payment or whatever. Like

55:46>> right

55:46>> maybe that's what we need is definition

55:48or some clarity around what actually is

55:50income.

55:51>> Okay, that would be a question for town

55:53council also. It's entirely possible

55:55there's already a definition of that

55:56that exists.

55:57>> Yeah. I mean looking excuse me perhaps

56:01that only applies for when they apply to

56:03the program. I mean because nobody can

56:04foresee the future, right?

56:06>> So we I mean should they be penalized

56:08because something happened to them three

56:10years down the road when they were

56:13having the repairs done and legitimately

56:16qualified for it.

56:20>> Yeah. I mean from what I've seen income

56:23producing is at least for my

56:25interpretation of that was if they own

56:28the property um and then you know they

56:32because it's for it's primarily for

56:33homeowners

56:35>> um and then they might uh you know might

56:38but might not live there full-time you

56:40know and so this kind of be multiple if

56:43they're own multiple properties um that

56:47could be at least that was my

56:48interpretation but I can go back and see

56:50what the definition or what habitat, you

56:53know, what they see as income, you know,

56:55income uh

56:57producing and then I can go to town

56:59council again.

57:00>> Okay.

57:00>> Okay.

57:02>> I mean, it can go down the rabbit hole.

57:05>> Yeah.

57:06>> If it's a two family or that they

57:08wouldn't qualify right off the bat,

57:09probably, right? So,

57:12>> all right.

57:14We'll see what town council says.

57:18And I think my other question is

57:20probably more for Habitat um because in

57:23their application they they say that

57:25this is not for emergency repairs. Do

57:27they refer people if there are emergency

57:30repairs needed?

57:31>> That's correct. I think the trust we can

57:33we have you know we can refer people and

57:35Havit can refer people like there there

57:37are state programs um uh that you know

57:42provide um you know there you know the

57:44funding is uh you know sometimes limited

57:47because you know they're competing with

57:49uh people from other towns but um

57:52the idea is that you know there's I

57:54forget the there was a memo I did a few

57:57months ago kind of looking at what

57:59options the trust could do um And so I

58:02will look back that look look at look

58:04back at that memo. Um but there is a

58:07state uh run program. I believe the

58:09senior center um had them last week or

58:13if you there's this is our cap solutions

58:15that does home repairs and accessibility

58:19for people with disabilities

58:21um or uh seniors.

58:23>> So there are existing state programs out

58:25there but not many local programs. And

58:27and they also do mention that if they

58:30don't qualify for this program, it's

58:32somewhere in here. Um they will if the

58:36applicant wants, they can refer them to

58:38other programs as well to help.

58:40>> Um one other question on this um it says

58:44if applying for a vet repair program,

58:48that's a specific different program than

58:50what we have.

58:51>> That is okay. All right. So, we don't

58:54need to know that.

59:01Okay. Any other thoughts, comments,

59:04questions?

59:05>> Nope. None for me,

59:07>> Christian. Okay.

59:12That's my agenda.

59:14>> Okay. So, now we vote to sign the letter

59:16of agreement.

59:19>> I make that motion to sign the

59:21agreement.

59:22>> Can I get a second? I will second it.

59:24>> All those in favor?

59:25>> I

59:29got to the meeting.

59:31>> Yeah, that's fine.

59:33>> Okay. And uh review and discuss outreach

59:36strategies and community outreach forum.

59:39>> All right. So, um I know I talked about

59:43this at the September meeting, but I'll

59:45talk a little bit about that. So, um

59:48committee, you know, the plan is to kind

59:50of post a flyer. um you know with the in

59:54town offices you know around uh you know

59:57different the clerk's office the

59:59assessors where people mostly visit um

1:00:01also the senior center um as well as you

1:00:05know the fire department uh the library

1:00:08and other you know town uh buildings uh

1:00:12we will also use social media to reach

1:00:14out to people you know um the town has a

1:00:16Facebook page you know the senior center

1:00:18has a Facebook page uh We uh we also

1:00:22have a newsletter through the town uh

1:00:24through our town manager's office so we

1:00:26can uh uh push that out. So um on that

1:00:31note, I last week I met with uh Renee uh

1:00:34the outreach coordinator from the senior

1:00:36center um and so uh the best and so kind

1:00:41of talked about, you know, what would be

1:00:43the best time to have um an outreach

1:00:45session. And so she suggested that it

1:00:48would be the morning right before um

1:00:51lunchtime. That's when the most people

1:00:52do come around lunch and then they

1:00:54probably leave around, you know, the

1:00:56early afternoon around 3:00 um or late

1:00:59afternoon. Um and so uh kind of based on

1:01:03her, you know, um recommendations, I I

1:01:06booked uh October 20th um from 10:30 to

1:01:0911:30. And so we will have um uh a

1:01:14community outreach session. the you know

1:01:16Habitat for Humanity are the the project

1:01:18manager Norma will be able will be

1:01:20available. So the plan for that meeting

1:01:23on the 20th is um to have a quick 20

1:01:26minute presentation from Habitat kind of

1:01:29detailing the program eligibility

1:01:31requirements um and you know key details

1:01:34of the program. uh I would you know um

1:01:38kind of provide a quick 10-minute uh

1:01:40summary of what the trust involvement is

1:01:42and our role in this program and then

1:01:45have another you know 20 to 25 minutes

1:01:47for questions. Um I think that's the

1:01:50idea. I did also create a little flyer

1:01:56um if you can see this.

1:01:58>> Beautiful.

1:01:59[laughter]

1:02:00>> I don't have the colored one but

1:02:03>> you have DVD for that. No, I actually

1:02:05use Canva.

1:02:06>> I was very proud of myself. I was like I

1:02:09Canva is actually this tool. Yeah, it's

1:02:12a really good tool for like a lot of um

1:02:14a lot of town staff use it for any

1:02:16there's a lot of like uh templates that

1:02:19you can use. So I was like, "Oh, it's

1:02:20the fall." So I found like a nice fall

1:02:22template

1:02:23>> and then put the town and then Habitat

1:02:25for Humanities logo on it. So I was I

1:02:28was finding something too simple. I

1:02:30didn't want to because I think it was

1:02:31over. I tend to overthink sometimes on

1:02:33these type of things,

1:02:34>> but I was like, I'll just keep it

1:02:36simple.

1:02:36>> Yeah, I think it's a good choice. It

1:02:37looks good.

1:02:38>> Yeah. So, this is going to be um I sent

1:02:40it to Renee. So, this is from the senior

1:02:43center and this will also be um this

1:02:45will be um uh on the newsletter from the

1:02:49town or town manager's office next week.

1:02:51So,

1:02:52>> excellent.

1:02:52>> Uh yeah, spread the word, post on on

1:02:55social media, I think, to get that

1:02:57maximum engagement. Do you need any

1:03:00presence from this trust? Uh

1:03:02>> um I think in the email if uh you know

1:03:05trust members are definitely welcome to

1:03:06come. I did uh put um a calendar invite.

1:03:10So whoever is available um definitely uh

1:03:14uh feel free to uh come again come join

1:03:17us. I think it's if the trust I think

1:03:19it's a good you know opportunity for us.

1:03:21I think it'll be our first public forum

1:03:24since, you know, we've had the action

1:03:26plan in 2024, 2023. So, I think it'll be

1:03:30a good opportunity for us to meet uh

1:03:32members of the public and talk about

1:03:34also our work as a trust and what we're,

1:03:36you know, planning for the next few

1:03:38months.

1:03:39>> I'm planning to be there. [laughter]

1:03:41>> All right. Yeah. I think the idea is if

1:03:44there more than three trust members, I

1:03:46have to post an agenda according to open

1:03:48meeting law. So, I think that was um if

1:03:50you would I think I'll just I'll

1:03:53probably send an email closer to that so

1:03:54that I can get a good head count and

1:03:56then post the agenda so I'm not

1:03:57violating open meeting law.

1:03:59>> Excellent.

1:03:59>> Perfect.

1:04:03>> Okay. Um

1:04:05>> will it be recorded?

1:04:08>> I don't believe so. Um I if we want a

1:04:12recording I can I haven't had that

1:04:14conversation with Renee. Um we can do

1:04:16that. Um, uh, I'll just if the trust

1:04:19wants that, we can do that if that's

1:04:21something.

1:04:22>> Yeah. I guess I'm I mean I'd be

1:04:24interested in what everyone else thinks,

1:04:25but just thinking about folks who might

1:04:27not be able to make that specific time

1:04:28and date.

1:04:30>> If we could capture it in some way so

1:04:32that we can still get the information

1:04:33out.

1:04:35>> Okay. That's okay. I'll look into that

1:04:37if that's possible.

1:04:39>> Yeah. because I think with the senior

1:04:41center there is that um

1:04:45we we know we've got done a couple of

1:04:47community events that there is like a

1:04:49projector um that they have there but I

1:04:51don't know how

1:04:53>> um maybe I can work with Shbury Media

1:04:55Connection to see if that's possible. So

1:04:57yeah,

1:04:57>> one one alternative to that as well is

1:05:01just writing up a a quick sort of bolded

1:05:03list of questions and such that were

1:05:05asked afterwards so we could distribute

1:05:07if that's not possible. But I agree with

1:05:09Carlos. If it wouldn't be difficult to

1:05:10do, then I think that would be a good

1:05:11good idea.

1:05:12>> Okay.

1:05:13>> I'm not sure that they would watch a 20

1:05:16minute presentation afterwards more so

1:05:19than they would like, okay, here's what

1:05:20it was. Here's what it does.

1:05:22>> A quick summary.

1:05:23>> Here's how I apply if if it's what I

1:05:26need.

1:05:27>> But we do have um seniors that watch the

1:05:30cable,

1:05:31>> right? I think they would watch.

1:05:32>> Yeah. And they do watch

1:05:34>> Yeah.

1:05:34>> the community. They do.

1:05:36>> Okay. I'll definitely

1:05:39>> I'll definitely look into that and see

1:05:40if that's possible to have it in the

1:05:41senior center like the the connections

1:05:44to be able to record that. So,

1:05:46>> okay. And even when Tanner, it's Tanner

1:05:48that will send it out. Um he could

1:05:51always maybe put a little tagline, watch

1:05:54for question and answers or you know,

1:05:56watch the um presentation

1:05:59and then they could watch it even if it

1:06:01was just

1:06:02>> I mean meetings happen at the senior

1:06:03center. I would think it's okay to

1:06:05record the presentation. You should be

1:06:07able to do it.

1:06:08>> Yeah, I'll definitely I'll check with

1:06:09the So, I'll check with the senior

1:06:11center and then with Sher Media

1:06:12Connection if that's something that we

1:06:14can do.

1:06:14>> Thanks.

1:06:15>> Thank you.

1:06:16>> Thank you. Okay.

1:06:17>> All right. Um,

1:06:20where are we discussing topics forum?

1:06:24>> Okay. Affordable housing trust October

1:06:2720 26 regional forum.

1:06:30>> All right. So

1:06:32um

1:06:34at the September meeting I mentioned

1:06:37that um I and the chair Martha we

1:06:40attended the a conference with MHP in

1:06:43Worcester in June. Um and so from that

1:06:47uh at that uh conference we had an

1:06:49affordable housing trust breakfast where

1:06:51it was an opportunity for um different

1:06:54affordable housing trusts in

1:06:55Massachusetts to meet and talk about you

1:06:58know and share what are you know what

1:07:00has been working has not been working

1:07:02and also you know what programs are

1:07:04doing and so I thought this would be and

1:07:08a follow-up to that I thought it'd be a

1:07:09good idea to have something you know

1:07:12with our central Massachusetts and

1:07:14neighboring communities to kind of um

1:07:17have, you know, community preservation

1:07:19committees and affordable housing trust,

1:07:21you know, the two, you know, committees

1:07:22that work in affordable housing to kind

1:07:24of meet because it is housing is a

1:07:26regional issue. And so um uh the and the

1:07:31goal was to convene you know affordable

1:07:32housing trusts and share information and

1:07:35um hopefully you know maybe we can like

1:07:38find out oh what are some affordable

1:07:41nonprofit affordable housing developers

1:07:43within central Massachusetts

1:07:46um you know maybe gain some contacts

1:07:48from different towns. So, I think that

1:07:50was kind of the um the idea behind this.

1:07:53And so, the date that was decided was

1:07:55October 14th, Wednesday. And this will

1:07:58be located in Auburn at the Mary D.

1:07:59Stone Apartments, a mixed income senior

1:08:02housing development. Um that was a date

1:08:05that was when the developer would be

1:08:06available. And so kind of the agenda

1:08:09would be um you know we would have the

1:08:13tour uh we would come back maybe that

1:08:15would probably last like an hour and

1:08:17then we would come back for food. There

1:08:19will be pro free pizza provided you know

1:08:22drinks and then introductions. Um any

1:08:25additional questions of you know from uh

1:08:29of the developers from the trusts you

1:08:31know we'll probably talk about the

1:08:33basics of affordable housing trusts and

1:08:35what they do. Um what are you know what

1:08:38are some of the things that we're

1:08:39working on? Um trusts what are some you

1:08:43know things that trusts are working on

1:08:45and what you know what what's working

1:08:46not working um questions like you know

1:08:50do you see um apartment like this

1:08:52possible in your community? Do we have

1:08:54something similar? How did our community

1:08:56support this? And then that conversation

1:08:59kind of continue um and it should be and

1:09:02I guess the the timing is from 5:30 to

1:09:057:30. So, um I created an invite. So, if

1:09:08the trust members are available, um I

1:09:11think it would be a great opportunity to

1:09:14attend that uh round table.

1:09:19>> Um

1:09:21unfortunately, I can't make it, but one

1:09:24of the topics of interest I think would

1:09:27be maybe worth having a discussion about

1:09:29is how the other trusts are being

1:09:31funded.

1:09:35besides just CPC and if there's creative

1:09:38ways.

1:09:39>> Yeah, I I agree. That's one of the

1:09:41number one issues I wanted to talk

1:09:43about. I also want to ask a little bit

1:09:45about because I know in in Shrewsbury,

1:09:47one of the the difficulties with uh

1:09:49developing new housing has been the um

1:09:51sort of infrastructure load and access

1:09:52to services and stuff like that. And

1:09:54that's something I I would be really

1:09:55interested to talk to other trusts about

1:09:57see how their councils are addressing

1:09:58those issues.

1:10:08Anybody else have any input?

1:10:10>> Yeah, I mean I mean I'll I'll probably

1:10:12I'll try my best to make an appearance.

1:10:13>> That'd be great.

1:10:14>> At least for the pizza. [laughter]

1:10:17>> I will be at master plan steering

1:10:18committee that night.

1:10:19>> That's right.

1:10:20>> I can see if my wife could take the kids

1:10:22at night. It is a tutor evening.

1:10:25>> Yeah. If it's just me, please give me

1:10:27all the questions you want. I will ask

1:10:28every single one of them.

1:10:32>> [snorts]

1:10:32>> It's on my calendar.

1:10:33>> Okay, great.

1:10:34>> Great.

1:10:34>> I'll see you there. I will definitely

1:10:36I'll send out another email um you know

1:10:38maybe a few days before a week before

1:10:40just confirming if I can attend or not.

1:10:42So,

1:10:43>> so if there's more again more than two

1:10:45people I have to post an agenda.

1:10:47[laughter]

1:10:48>> Okay.

1:10:50>> Okay. Can vacant town own land

1:10:54feasibility analysis update?

1:10:57>> All right. So um so the trust we've been

1:11:01working over the past you know the

1:11:03course of two years to basically analyze

1:11:06a vacant town on land uh for the purpose

1:11:09of building affordable housing on this

1:11:10vac uh on this land you know this is

1:11:12something that trusts uh all over

1:11:15Massachusetts are doing uh because they

1:11:17founded that this is the easiest to do

1:11:19there there's a study have to find I

1:11:22think it was be interesting but like you

1:11:23know thousands of parcels across

1:11:25Massachusetts have are you know are

1:11:27vacant and town owned

1:11:28that could, you know, help solve the

1:11:30affordability and the housing crisis

1:11:32that Massachusetts has. Um, and so the

1:11:35trust we narrowed, we've done we

1:11:37narrowed down a few different parcels

1:11:39after eliminating parcels that either uh

1:11:42constituted um constituted significant

1:11:44were a significant portion of wetlands

1:11:47or were deemed as open space as part of

1:11:49any subdivisions. Uh we had CMRPC uh the

1:11:53central Massachusetts Regional Planning

1:11:55Commission assist us in this process. Um

1:11:58and we uh kind of narrowed down the list

1:12:00of parcels to about five different

1:12:02parcels. Um and we had criteria that we

1:12:06uh used to further narrow down parcels

1:12:09you know access you know to

1:12:11transportation you know the size of the

1:12:13parcel

1:12:15um you know any you know uh location of

1:12:19schools. So that was kind of something

1:12:20that was used to kind of uh have

1:12:24ultimately uh you know uh narrowed down

1:12:27to a single parcel and that was and we

1:12:30um

1:12:32ultimately decided on 210 North Quinc

1:12:34Sigamund Avenue. And so right now I am

1:12:39uh looking or working closely um using

1:12:43uh MHP has a devel as a guide book on

1:12:47how to develop uh housing on public

1:12:49land. So they have kind of a um a

1:12:52checklist of what to do in a feasibility

1:12:54analysis. And so I think the idea is so

1:12:57I started a draft feasibility analysis

1:13:00um a few weeks ago kind of this will

1:13:03look at we're going to look at the deed.

1:13:04What does the deed say? Um any you know

1:13:07any uh uh plans on the land uh any

1:13:10topography issues, any presence of

1:13:12wetlands, you know, physical

1:13:13characteristics, uh zoning, um you know,

1:13:17important things like that. Um any

1:13:18easements. So kind of things that could

1:13:21be barriers to development. And then al

1:13:24along with things like okay, if uh we do

1:13:27not um if we take zoning out of the

1:13:29picture, what is a realistic uh number

1:13:31of units that we could actually build

1:13:32over there? Um and so kind of these type

1:13:35of questions and um kind of develop that

1:13:40within the feasibility analysis. Um and

1:13:42if we kind of do the idea is you know by

1:13:46the end of October uh mid November I

1:13:50want to have like a draft ready for the

1:13:52trust to review and um and our timeline

1:13:56if we do if we do require you know um

1:14:00additional analysis we can work with

1:14:02CMRPC or MHP for um this eligibility I

1:14:07mean this feasibility analysis. Um we

1:14:10could also maybe uh present to select

1:14:13board you know after you know uh with

1:14:16the draft uh feasibility analysis that

1:14:18you know this is the um kind of uh

1:14:22process that the trust has taken and

1:14:24this is uh you know the information

1:14:25about this parcel we want to move

1:14:27forward because ide so the process would

1:14:29be is if we want to move forward this

1:14:31parcel we would have to dispose of it at

1:14:34town meeting town meeting would have to

1:14:35vote for to use this as uh to transfer

1:14:40the um the type of uh use to have it for

1:14:44housing because right now it's just town

1:14:46on vacant land. Um so that's under

1:14:48Massachusetts General Law Chapter 30B.

1:14:51That's the entire process for a

1:14:52disposition of public land. Um

1:14:57yeah so at the um November meeting I

1:15:02hope to have an update to you um a draft

1:15:06uh uh feasibility analysis and um I'll

1:15:09share that with you. So if we have any

1:15:10feedback that'll be you know a big

1:15:12discussion at the November meeting

1:15:13that's what I anticipate

1:15:15>> assuming all goes well um timeline to

1:15:21occupancy

1:15:24>> time to occupancy it'll be it's pretty

1:15:26because this is town owned land we have

1:15:29to first dispose of it in town meeting

1:15:31>> and then once we dispose of it at town

1:15:33meeting we have to set on an RFP the

1:15:36trust we're going to develop an RFP um

1:15:39to kind of hire and we will get

1:15:41different proposals. So, we'll send out

1:15:43the RFP and we'll get different

1:15:44proposals from different developers and

1:15:47what their idea um of what could be

1:15:51developed on that land and then the

1:15:53trust will vote to uh on an idea and

1:15:57then from there um you know

1:16:00pre-development so a little bit of the

1:16:03feasibility analysis and then maybe some

1:16:05surveys that we'll do. So from now if we

1:16:08work on it this might at least to maybe

1:16:11start of permitting

1:16:13>> like 2 to 3 years in Massachusetts it is

1:16:17uh you know building housing is a very

1:16:19time consuming process. So, especially

1:16:22affordable housing. Um,

1:16:24>> the nature of my question is

1:16:27this could if we could, and this may be

1:16:30the pipe dream, if we could have

1:16:32occupancy by 2030, we could count it in

1:16:34the 2030 census, which keeps us um I

1:16:38think we're just hit that 10% threshold

1:16:40and we'd like to stay there because that

1:16:41unlocks other possible funings and

1:16:44abilities for us.

1:16:45>> Yeah, I think that would be a goal that

1:16:47the trust can align to. I think that's a

1:16:49really that could be a realistic goal

1:16:51that we can align ourselves that yeah

1:16:54given the time we want a 2030 so that we

1:16:57can have at least maintain that 10%

1:17:00affordability

1:17:01>> right

1:17:04>> it may be the pipe dream but it would be

1:17:06really nice to be able to put the

1:17:08feather in the cap on that one

1:17:11>> would

1:17:15have a question unrelated to that. But

1:17:19Elizabeth Street, did any did we

1:17:23>> ever Can we try to get maybe get an

1:17:25update within the next few months? Okay.

1:17:27About what's going on with Elizabeth

1:17:28Street? I know

1:17:30>> from I think Carlos when he attended

1:17:32their was it in May or March earlier

1:17:35this earlier this year you attended

1:17:36their meeting and they are actively

1:17:39working with MHP on that. So um so I

1:17:45think I can reach back out to them but

1:17:47they're still in the planning phase. I

1:17:49think they are uh the probably the

1:17:52funding mechanisms is what they're

1:17:54trying to figure out because there has

1:17:56been a little bit of a der of funding at

1:18:00the federal level um and then at the

1:18:02state level. So they might you know come

1:18:05to CPC for funding or looking at other

1:18:08sources to build that housing. though I

1:18:11will reach back to them

1:18:12>> just

1:18:13>> I know because

1:18:14>> we did fund

1:18:16things for them. Um so just

1:18:19>> because again we could work with them as

1:18:21well if that would you know.

1:18:25>> Okay. All right. Um the November 12th

1:18:29affordable housing trust meeting.

1:18:32All right. So I think why I brought this

1:18:36kind of two different reasons. So I

1:18:39guess in November 12th we're going to

1:18:41have is the is the next master plan

1:18:44steering committee. So um and that's at

1:18:477 o'clock and that kind of you know that

1:18:50clashes with that. So they might they

1:18:52will probably require this bigger room

1:18:54and so um uh we kind of either move it.

1:18:59So, we were thinking of I was thinking

1:19:00of moving it earlier um to maybe also

1:19:03accommodate a uh a possible outreach

1:19:07meeting that either we want to do with

1:19:08the rental assistance program or the

1:19:10affordable home repair program. Um kind

1:19:13of that was the major reason. Um it's

1:19:17kind of two-prong reason. Uh because I

1:19:19also probably I I support the master

1:19:22plan committee too. So, kind of

1:19:24[clears throat]

1:19:24>> balancing those two things. And so, um,

1:19:28I was thinking about either, you know,

1:19:30having at 5:30 or 6 o'clock depending on

1:19:33the start time of the affordable housing

1:19:34trust meeting depending on, you know,

1:19:36what uh what the trust uh is uh able to

1:19:40do, trust members are able to do.

1:19:43>> Both times would work for me. I think

1:19:445:30 would be easier for you. So, I'm

1:19:46inclined to support that.

1:19:50>> Wide open for me. So, whatever works

1:19:52best for the trust.

1:19:55I'm open.

1:19:58>> Me as well.

1:20:00>> Whatever you decide.

1:20:01>> Okay. All right. So, um I will kind of

1:20:05look back just have it I will have that

1:20:07um uh the time uh I will hold that time

1:20:12for now on the calendar that is reserved

1:20:15for 5:30. Um and then you know if

1:20:19everything we followed the timeline for

1:20:21the rental assistance program maybe have

1:20:24um a community uh session at that time

1:20:27you know starting or starting early so

1:20:29that we're able to capture people um and

1:20:31then use that time where all trust

1:20:33members anyways present for that to have

1:20:35that meeting.

1:20:37>> Okay, perfect. Sounds great. Wonderful.

1:20:40>> I'll look Yeah. So I'll look into having

1:20:42it either in the police um uh uh the um

1:20:48police station or in senior center to

1:20:50have that you know that we have if we

1:20:52you know having a public meeting that we

1:20:54want we may need to advertise that in

1:20:56community advocate and then have a place

1:20:59where people can actually you know sit

1:21:01and ask questions because conference

1:21:03room A is a little bit too small.

1:21:04[laughter]

1:21:05>> Probably sure.

1:21:07>> Okay. All right.

1:21:09>> Keep the door open.

1:21:11Everyone file in one at a time.

1:21:13>> Sure, please start.

1:21:14>> Okay. Um,

1:21:16>> so I guess we'll

1:21:17>> So we can move moving on to the

1:21:18correspondence in the email,

1:21:20>> I think. So I think technically we do

1:21:22have to vote.

1:21:22>> Oh, do we have to vote to change

1:21:24>> only because it's a regularly scheduled

1:21:25meeting at 7 o'clock. So okay, the

1:21:28>> motion to change the meeting on November

1:21:3012th to either 5:30 or 6 o'clock.

1:21:34>> Seconded.

1:21:35>> All those in favor? I

1:21:37>> I

1:21:40>> Okay.

1:21:42>> All right. And now we can move to

1:21:43correspondence.

1:21:45Um so this email um this uh individual

1:21:50did reach out to the affordable housing

1:21:52trust email and I did I don't know I

1:21:55might I think I copied all members of

1:21:57the trust to that email but they have uh

1:22:00you know there are a lot of uh different

1:22:02um you know issues going on with that

1:22:05their property and so I did forward that

1:22:07to Habitat for Humanity so they are

1:22:09actively reviewing that. I can get an

1:22:11update in the next couple weeks from

1:22:13them if there is um any any um update on

1:22:19that if they're able to get into the

1:22:20program because

1:22:22>> I think earlier this year or in the

1:22:25summer there were about three people who

1:22:28were you know who uh submitted interest

1:22:31forms like the initial uh form you know

1:22:35I mean interest form to you know to be

1:22:37in the program. So, they might actively

1:22:39be reviewing uh possibly be reviewing

1:22:42this or other properties from Jewsberry.

1:22:45So,

1:22:46>> yeah.

1:22:46>> Great.

1:22:47>> Good. Thank you for doing that.

1:22:48>> Yeah.

1:22:48>> Thank you. [snorts]

1:22:50>> Okay. Can I get a motion to adjurnn?

1:22:53>> I will motion to adjurnn.

1:22:55>> A second.

1:22:56>> Okay.

1:22:56>> Second.

1:22:57>> All those in favor? Hi.

1:22:58>> Hi.

1:22:58>> Hi.