2026-10-28 - Parks and Recreation Advisory Board

01:11Not sure

01:14you want to do first.

01:16>> Okay.

01:25>> First, you just hit the button and

01:27there's already

19:41Keep him down there.

19:42>> 40 seconds, man.

19:49>> The first time I've done that.

19:50>> I know.

19:51>> Good evening. Good evening. I'd like to

19:54uh call to order the October 28th, 2026

19:58Apex Parks and Recreation Advisory Board

20:01meeting. Uh as always, we like to start

20:03these meetings with a moment of

20:05invocation. So, if you would

20:17>> Thank you. Next is our pledge of

20:19allegiance.

20:24To the flag of the United States of

20:26America and to the republic for it

20:28stands one nation

20:32indivisible with liberty andice for all.

20:42Uh first up, we would like to take the

20:45moment to do the approval of the minute

20:48uh the meeting minutes from two meetings

20:50uh from the October, excuse me, August

20:5226, 2026 meeting

20:56and then also the September 30th, 2026

20:59meet uh meeting minutes. So if someone

21:03would uh we always get our meeting

21:05minutes in email. So there are not any

21:08dates or objections. Just need a motion

21:11for an approval.

21:13>> We're going to do two. Okay. So yeah,

21:15let's let's separate them due to uh for

21:17the August 26 meeting and the September

21:1930th meeting.

21:20>> I'll motion to approve the August 26,

21:222026 meeting minutes.

21:25>> Second.

21:27>> Uh it's been motioned and properly

21:29second. All in favor?

21:31>> I. Any opposed?

21:32>> Motion carried. Then the September 30th

21:35meeting.

21:36>> Make a motion to approve the September

21:3830th, 2026 meeting minutes.

21:40>> Second.

21:41>> Uh motion and properly second. All in

21:44favor?

21:45>> Any oppose? Motion carried.

21:48First up is the executive report and

21:50projects and program report.

21:53>> All right, I think we got a park

21:54planning up.

22:05Um, all right.

22:06>> Happy birthday.

22:07>> Happy birthday.

22:07>> Thank you.

22:10>> Someone said 27 looked good. I said,

22:11"No, it's actually 29." But [laughter]

22:15um anyway, uh so a while ago we came to

22:19you um after a request from some group

22:24or group groups and groups of people to

22:27uh

22:29open our parks earlier so that they

22:31could have access to them. And so we did

22:33a pilot project that ended in August.

22:36And uh last month just around the time

22:39of the meeting that we didn't have uh we

22:43uh

22:44went to town council and officially

22:46changed our hours of operation to allow

22:49them to be there um now an hour earlier

22:53and we piloted that program uh keeping

22:56our gates open. And so it's now our

22:58policy that our gates are left open in

23:01our parks um so we don't close and lock

23:03our gates anymore. F3

23:06>> that was part of the

23:09>> so um but that pilot worked. Um now of

23:12course as we get busier we're also being

23:14asked to look at now extending our park

23:16hours later into the evening. Um but

23:20there are further implications with that

23:22potentially related to staffing needs

23:25that we might have to have. Um so that's

23:28a bigger

23:30thing for us to work through as we um

23:33look at some other polic and things. Uh

23:35the other thing is um an email started

23:39out it went out I think Monday afternoon

23:42uh to people who had more recently been

23:44in contact. Um but we are planning to

23:48have a um agenda item on the December

23:519th agenda. That's their combined

23:54November December meeting. Um that will

23:58be a part of followup to numerous

24:02comments, complaints, requests, issues,

24:05um that we have gotten through numerous

24:08venues, emails, texts, um in-person

24:12visits, uh lots of things, uh uh work

24:15orders about all things pickle ball. Um

24:19so you may not have gotten something

24:21yet, Lisa. I was checking to see who was

24:23on the list, but since I knew we were

24:25coming tonight, I'm telling you now. Um,

24:27but the idea is that um we have four

24:30parks that we offer pickle ball

24:32outdoors. We also have indoor time at

24:34the community center and um we're trying

24:38to address a lot of um

24:44different aspects of what we're hearing.

24:47And in some cases we have opposing

24:50um groups of people who are impacted in

24:54different ways. And so, um, to try to

24:57address one without the other, um, for

24:59us to be able to get feedback and, um,

25:03in some ways potentially ask for some

25:06input and and addressing how we move

25:09forward with some of those things to

25:11balance, um, and to be in a sense good

25:14stewards of our facilities um, meeting

25:17the needs of our residents and being

25:19good neighbors. Um so we're preparing

25:22some of that and collecting data and um

25:25we'll present that and then have an

25:27opportunity. I'm not sure exactly how um

25:30but we want to coordinate so that if we

25:32have 20 or 100 people um that we have a

25:36productive opportunity for everyone to

25:40um provide input and and so um and speak

25:43and have a voice that we can hear and

25:45then try to assemble a path forward.

25:47That is as um [clears throat] again that

25:50is as beneficial to as many people in a

25:53positive way as we can be. So um those

25:55are our updates. time you hear more

25:57stuff about business going on. But

26:00>> so what she's saying is it would be

26:01important for everybody able

26:09to speak on both sides

26:12against certain certain aspects.

26:16>> And as you guys know, I'm always glad to

26:18be a resource always. Yeah.

26:22>> Um and we do have some I mean some of

26:24the requests that have come have we

26:26already have a projects lined up were

26:27just either in process so so there's a

26:30lot of information um and and we're

26:34trying to get out the the fundamental

26:36responses last week. It seemed like

26:39there was a concentrated effort at from

26:42numerous venues to get us the same

26:44message. Um and so um we were trying to

26:48respond to that but realized that we've

26:50been kind of collecting a lot of

26:52different topics, you know, lighting,

26:55noise, surfacing,

26:58how we have the lines, what courts we

27:00use, why we don't have, you know, and in

27:03in multiple parks and indoors. So we're

27:06trying to make sure that we're we get as

27:08many people at the table and address it

27:11holistically and and everyone's got

27:13great ideas. The problem is sometimes a

27:15great idea from one is not well received

27:17by the other and when we try to balance

27:20that we might have recommendations or

27:22suggestions but we also sometimes um we

27:26know that while we can gather as much

27:28information as we can there might be one

27:30viewpoint that no one that's really

27:31considered that ends up being the best

27:33solution. Um, so that's what we're going

27:36to do. And um, hopefully it's a it's a

27:39good start forward to to one share

27:42consistent information. That was one of

27:44the goals is to make sure that whatever

27:45we're sharing is, you know, it's not one

27:48person in one group responding to a

27:50walk-in and I'm over here sending an

27:52email and somebody else is responding to

27:53a work order and it's the same

27:55information, but it's not shared like

27:58consistently. And then people get

27:59different ideas and then they go sell

28:00tell somebody else and then it by the

28:02time it gets there it's a whole

28:04different story. So we're working on

28:06that together. But we'll be back. Thank

28:09you.

28:10>> Thank you.

28:13[laughter]

28:14>> Says who?

28:17>> Next up

28:19I just looked down and saw Park Gate

28:21update. Right. So no no but the the

28:24double on top of Park Gate like you

28:26Patriots fans, right? deflate gate, but

28:28it was actually a parking gate, right?

28:31[laughter]

28:32Kind of scams going on. Um, but uh

28:38>> uh chairman's report. I usually do not

28:40have anything for chairman's report, but

28:42my shoulders been getting tapped and

28:43I've been getting nudged ever since I've

28:45gotten into the room that it is a

28:47special someone's birthday. [laughter]

28:49And

28:51I apparently there Yeah. Yeah.

28:53Apparently, there is someone's birthday

28:54and it's been mentioned a couple times,

28:55but I did want to formally from the

28:57chairman's chair say happy birthday to

29:00you, Angela, from our team. Uh, thank

29:02you so much for your consistency and

29:04coming here and providing updates and,

29:06uh, giving us very detailed information

29:08about the business of this advisory

29:10board. So, thank you and a very special

29:12happy birthday to you today.

29:17[applause]

29:19>> Next up is uh, public comment. Again,

29:22another that we normally do not have

29:23anything for, but today we do have

29:25public comment. And so if there's uh

29:27Miss Barbara Collins,

29:35[laughter]

29:35>> yeah, so Miss Barbara Collins is here

29:38for public comment. Uh Miss Collins,

29:40thanks for being here. Um you have the

29:43microphone and there's a timer there.

29:45You have three minutes and you're very

29:46aware of the process.

29:47>> Am I am usually I'm at the council

29:49meetings. Okay. So it's a Barbara

29:52Collins. I live at 901 Norwood Lane.

29:54Apex, we've been here for 30 years in

29:56the same house, right? So we've seen

29:59Apex where it was like one restaurant

30:01downtown and you had to go everywhere

30:03else, right? And so we've seen how Apex

30:06has been charmed up. I'm happy to live

30:08here. And the most important thing I

30:09want to say to you is thanks. I use all

30:12those parts. I use them all the time.

30:15Not just when my kids are little, but

30:16then when my grandkids are little. And

30:18then there's also courts uh that they're

30:21still willing to go to, right? So where

30:23the uh it's is any um my kids loved it.

30:29They still love it. They go there all

30:30the time. But I want to ask you this

30:32about your board. Where are your shadow

30:35board members?

30:37Do you know what a shadow board member

30:38is? Anybody here have a teenager? Raise

30:41your hand.

30:42>> No. Anybody who's Okay. Currently in

30:44college. Raise your hand. Raise your

30:46hand. Okay. So at Duke when I started

30:49what I was doing I had six areas then

30:53seven announced to me by the provos

30:55because it was a new job. It had never

30:56been done before. No other university

30:58tried to do it and they gave me a

30:59two-year uh a two-year landing zone.

31:02Right? If you can do it in two years,

31:04we're good. So I wouldn't have to worry

31:05about taking the job, right?

31:07Essentially. So we pass that over in six

31:09weeks. And the reason is some of our

31:12work isn't that complicated, right? The

31:14complicated part is getting people like

31:16you to show up, not whether we can

31:18create the infrastructure for you to

31:20show up, right? So, yeah, let's create

31:22the infrastructure. That took six weeks.

31:24Let's fill a bunch of boards. That took

31:26six weeks and now we're on. So, we live

31:29in a world of chaos. And then when we

31:32vote on things and we agree on them and

31:33we have beautiful parks, we don't live

31:35in chaos, right? So, I think that you

31:39should do what we've done when I was at

31:41Carolina, but also at Duke. reach out to

31:44your college students who are still

31:46looking uh for things that they can do

31:49that are meaningful, impactful, and make

31:52a difference. And so if you had a chair

31:55right behind you, and that person also

31:59comes to the meetings and gives you

32:01their thoughts privately, that's like

32:04putting a young alumni on a board at

32:05Duke. And so by the time I was finished

32:07with that after 20 years, uh we had 26

32:10areas in my areas and 26

32:14boards.

32:16You got to keep a and they come to my uh

32:18first of all, they live there when they

32:20come for the meeting, right? So you come

32:21in Thursday night, it's dinner, dinner,

32:23board meeting, blah blah students, and

32:25out the door on Sunday. It's a hall,

32:27right? So how do you get people to do

32:29it? They do it with passion because you

32:32talk to the right people at the right

32:33time. But I also want you to educate the

32:36next generation. So if you could bring a

32:40college student, a high school student,

32:43uh, to shadow what you're doing, think

32:44of how meaningful that is for them, but

32:48also think about how meaningful it is

32:49for us to include more people in the

32:52process. I don't really care who they

32:54are or or what their motivations are.

32:57And as long as they can do what's

32:58required, that's it. Thank you. That's

33:01all.

33:03besides the wonderful name.

33:06>> Thank you, Miss Collins. We appreciate

33:08your input and your feedback.

33:11>> Right.

33:13>> Next up, we have our old business. Look

33:16like there's any of that and then we're

33:18on to new business, which we'll start

33:21with our item number one.

33:28>> Right. Good evening everybody. So the

33:30first new business item on the agenda is

33:34resoning um 26 CZ9 Prince Farms per

33:40consideration and possible

33:41recommendation.

33:42Uh the Prince Farm uh planned unit

33:45development resoning is a 48.48

33:49acre property comprising of four tracks

33:52on south side of South Salem Street and

33:56um Padstone Drive to the south. The

33:59applicant is proposing a maximum of 155

34:03single family detached and single family

34:06attached units as part of a resoning

34:08from rural agricultural to medium high

34:11density planned unit development um

34:14zoning district. This property is not

34:16within the parkland search area um

34:19identified in the master plan for parks

34:21recreation cultural resources greenways

34:24and open space. There are no proposed

34:26greenways within the project boundaries.

34:28Um on the bicycle and pedestrian systems

34:31plan map, the the project will construct

34:34a side path as part of the planned

34:36extension of James Street per um the

34:39transportation plan. For this CZ um

34:43deszoning request, the specific fee

34:45inlation

34:47rate will be determined by town council

34:50at the time of resoning approval. The

34:532026 rate is $4,3257

34:58per single family detached unit and

35:01$2,912.97

35:04per single family attached unit. Staff

35:07recommends a flu dedication for a

35:09maximum of 155 single family detached

35:13and single family attached units.

35:18questions, comments, feedback.

35:23>> If this is on the south side and you

35:26talk about having a um side path, is

35:29that side path going to be on the south

35:31side or is it going to be across the

35:33street from it?

35:34>> It's going to be going through. So,

35:36James Street. Oh, I shouldn't answer.

35:38[laughter]

35:39>> Oh, I love that. You know, Lisa, please.

35:41>> It's my my neighborhood envelops this.

35:43Oh,

35:44>> so I I am aware of the plan, but um

35:49>> right now James Street ends at Apex

35:52Peekway and that's where the new bridge

35:53that's going over the railroad tracks

35:55is. James Street will continue on. So

35:58it's the side path would be along the

35:59new James Street that goes that would go

36:01through the property, but it doesn't

36:03now. Right now it dead ends, but um the

36:06intention is that eventually it will

36:07have more connectivity, but James Street

36:09will extend.

36:12>> Thank you.

36:13One question um on South So if we have

36:16side path on James Street um along South

36:21Salem

36:22um I mean South Salem's got to be a

36:24primary collector, right? A major

36:26collector.

36:27>> They at minimum they have to have uh

36:30walks on both sides. Even if it's not

36:32side path still sidewalks. Okay. I was

36:35just

36:36>> Yeah.

36:36>> Just confirming

36:40other questions.

36:44So, we would just need a uh motion for

36:47the fe dedication for this project.

36:55>> I'll make a motion to um that we move

36:59forward to have a fee in lie in um a fee

37:03in lie of dedication for maximum of the

37:07155 units um at the 2026 rates.

37:14Second. It's been motioned and properly

37:16second. All in favor?

37:19>> Any oppose?

37:21>> Motion carried.

37:23>> And we're doing number two.

37:24>> Doing number two.

37:25>> Number two.

37:26>> This is for resoning 26 CZ13 elevation

37:29apartment multifamily per consideration

37:31and possible recommendation.

37:34The elevation apartment multifamily

37:36planned unit development is a 4.42 42

37:39acre property comprised of eight tracks

37:41on the south side of Center Street

37:44between Old Grove Lane and Investment

37:46Boulevard. The applicant is proposing

37:49maximum of 132 multifamily units as part

37:52of a reasonzoning from highdensity

37:55multifamily residential zoning and

37:58office and institutional zoning to a

38:00planned unit development zoning

38:02district. This property is not within

38:05the parkland search area as identified

38:07in the master plan for parks,

38:09recreation, cultural resources,

38:11greenways and open space. Um there is no

38:14proposed greenway within the project

38:16boundary on the bicycle and pedestrian

38:19system plan um map for this CZ

38:23reasonzoning request. The specific fee

38:25in lie of dedication rate will be

38:27determined by the council um at the time

38:29of reasonzoning approval. The 2026 rate

38:32is $2564.75

38:36per multifamily unit. Staff recommends

38:39fee in l of dedication for a maximum of

38:42132 multif family units.

38:45>> Thank you. Open it up for questions,

38:47comments. This is across the street from

38:50Sag Farm, right? I looked at the sheets

38:52earlier

38:54>> and there's side path um

38:57>> proposed on the north side of

38:59>> North Side Center.

39:05No other comments, questions, just need

39:07a motion for the uh elevation apartment.

39:14>> I'll make a motion to approve staff's

39:15recommendation of a fee in l of

39:17dedication for a maximum of 132

39:20multifamily units.

39:22>> Second motion and properly second. All

39:25in favor?

39:26>> I oppose.

39:28Motion carried. Thank you.

39:31>> So, we'll move on to a project update.

39:33>> Project update is next. All

39:34>> right. So, this one is for Apex

39:36Community Park playground renovation. Uh

39:39we have a consultant presentation today

39:41and a quick update on our land at water

39:43conservation fund grant uh that we are

39:45working on. So, staff and the consultant

39:48team from surface 678 uh we are making

39:51progress on the playground design and

39:53the pursuit of land and water

39:54conservation grant application. Surface

39:57678 continues to provide us excellent

39:59design services uh working in step with

40:02the staff to accomplish the robust

40:04requirement of the grant. Such

40:06requirements have included various

40:08community engagement opportunities,

40:10support from civic organizations and

40:13presentations to stakeholders.

40:15Individuals familiar with the needs of

40:17kids with varying levels levels of

40:20abilities um attended our focus group

40:22meetings that was held on September

40:2423rd. There was also an open house

40:27hosted on September 30th, 2026

40:30um that was intended to help residents

40:32learn about the project and provide

40:34feedback. Residents were also given an

40:37opportunity to fill out an online

40:39questionnaire survey. And finally, a

40:41recorded presentation was sent out to

40:43specialized recreation groups already

40:46engaged in the recreation division to

40:48provide additional input. The responses

40:50and observations from all the community

40:53engagement touch points are analyzed

40:55collectively and used um to guide the

40:58playground design and some those

40:59findings will be presented to you today.

41:02Um staff is working hard and continuing

41:04to fulfill the grant application that's

41:06due on November 2nd. So we are almost

41:08there to submit that one and we have our

41:11consultant here to present the project

41:13update for you all today. Um and I'll

41:15present Robert Pratt from Surface 678.

41:19Thank you.

41:29Thank you.

41:31All right. Right. Thanks everyone uh for

41:33the opportunity uh introduce myself. I'm

41:35Robert Pratt. I'm a partner and

41:36landscape architect with Surface 678.

41:39This is my colleague Lizzie.

41:40>> Hi.

41:43And uh you we've had the wonderful

41:45opportunity to work alongside Charlotta

41:46and Angela and her team their team on uh

41:49over the past couple of months

41:51developing uh the early concepts of the

41:53Apex Community Park. Uh this is the

41:55playground on the western side of that

41:57park. Um

42:00you know introductions we were going to

42:02go we've already given what has been she

42:04shared a grant application that is due

42:06next week. We in terms of project

42:09schedule we are ending and sort of

42:11completing our schematic design our

42:12concept design right now we'll be going

42:14through our design development phase

42:15over the next two to two and a half

42:17months and then after that we would be

42:19sort of into our construction

42:20documentation phase uh what I have next

42:23is a couple of slides that are going to

42:24kind of speak just give you an

42:25introduction to the project kind of talk

42:27at a high level about the concept

42:29development where we are right now so

42:31that you can kind of see the vision that

42:32we've been kind of working towards um

42:34and then just kind of open it up for any

42:36questions and feedback that you all uh

42:38have for us.

42:40Um in terms of context, um this is off

42:43the Laura Duncan entrance. Um so it's

42:46between ball fields one and two. Um it

42:48is a smaller playfield or sorry a

42:50smaller playground between those two

42:52playfields. It's somewhat secluded back

42:54uh to the south side of that existing

42:56restroom facility and storage fac and

42:58there's a storage room in there if

42:59you're familiar which you probably are

43:00with the site. Um, and then what you're

43:03going to see through here in these

43:04purple bars, uh, at the bottom right is

43:06just some of the feedback. So, Short I

43:08talked about our community engagement

43:09with the focus group, um, the open house

43:12and through that online survey, we've

43:13been getting some feedback. And so, what

43:15we've been doing is trying to listen to

43:16what families and and visitors and and

43:19and community members of Apex, you know,

43:21have to say about this park. And you

43:23know, some of the things that are coming

43:25to the forefront are the importance of

43:27shade, comfort, and seating, which you

43:29know, fortunately that park, if you're

43:31familiar with it, we have a lot of in

43:32terms of shade. And so, first and

43:34foremost, we're going to try to do our

43:35best to maintain that. Um, but again,

43:37just we're just trying to listen and

43:39hear and then kind of look through the

43:41lens as we think about the design

43:43approach to it. um look through the lens

43:45of the ultimate goal of this is to think

43:47about inclusivity uh sort of at a new

43:50level that's sort of fresh and and new

43:52and something unique to Apex.

43:56Uh in terms of existing conditions uh

43:58you may be familiar with it. We've kind

44:00of condensed this into a couple of

44:01images and just some circulation diagram

44:03in the upper left. Uh but again, it's a

44:06pretty confined play space um just south

44:09of that existing restroom and storage

44:11facility nestled between the two ball

44:12fields. Uh we'll be doing a deep dive in

44:15terms of accessibility. So we're looking

44:16at what are the existing slope

44:18conditions. There are some challenges in

44:19terms of accessibility both from some of

44:21the from the standpoint of some of the

44:23the actual there's two parking um

44:27parking lots nearby that have small

44:30amounts of accessible parking but they

44:31do need some improvements and some code

44:34uh code compliant renovation. And then

44:36we'll be looking at circulation paths to

44:38improve that and also just you know

44:40making sure that we're promoting uh

44:42accessible circulation uh throughout the

44:44site uh not only to the facility but

44:47also within some of the other adjacent

44:48amenities uh within the park.

44:51Uh here you but you can see on these

44:53images the importance of shade. We are

44:54nestled into some pines and hardwoods.

44:57It's really a wonderful spot. Um, you

44:59know, first and foremost, a lot of what

45:01we hear about when we talk about

45:02playground spaces is providing that

45:04comfort and that shade, which is

45:05sometimes difficult to deliver early on

45:07in that. And so, here we're trying to do

45:09everything in our power to kind of

45:11leverage that as a as an in place

45:12amenity to our advantage.

45:16Um, as we've been working through

45:17initial concept design, um, again, the

45:21goal here is to think about inclusivity

45:23as an overarching element. We're

45:24thinking about accessibility. So, we're

45:26thinking about, you know, uh

45:30a wide ranging a wide range of what that

45:32really means. Uh we want everybody,

45:35every age group, every ability level to

45:37feel like they're welcome and they have

45:38an equitable experience here. And so,

45:40what we've thought about is sort of

45:42through these three sort of we'll call

45:43these sort of three concentric circles.

45:46Overall, uh accessibility encompasses

45:48everything. And some key questions we've

45:50been talking with specialists through

45:52our also past experience uh in terms of

45:54how we're thinking about accessibility

45:55and inclusivity in these spaces. These

45:57are some key questions that we just kind

45:59of ask ourselves and kind of make sure

46:00that we're putting ourselves in the

46:02shoes of everybody that might experience

46:03this space.

46:06Um if you're familiar with the site, uh

46:09so we're going to talk a little bit

46:10about sports and then the idea of

46:12recreation and how the two kind of

46:13overlap here. um unique to Apex was it's

46:16a wonderful amenity that's recently been

46:19developed just north of this project

46:21site in this park is the roller ring

46:22hockey where the Carolina Hurricanes did

46:25have a role in that and there's been a

46:26connection developed within that

46:28community um and there's a there's a

46:30community there in the sled hockey

46:32program where there are family members

46:35that would that can provide input and

46:37feedback and and they have a a personal

46:40connection to the idea of inclusivity

46:42and how it applies to uh how people can

46:45experience a space like that. And so

46:47what we wanted to do was kind of think

46:48about creating something un every play

46:50space within within uh and playground

46:52within Apex has something unique about

46:54it. And so here we're trying to think

46:56about, you know, how do we do that for

46:57this space? How does it set itself

46:59apart? Create an identity for it within

47:01the community. And so we kind of

47:03compared the idea of play, you know, to

47:06the idea of sports and how those two

47:08connect. And so this is a a very literal

47:10overlay of thinking about a you know a

47:12hockey rink and how the the game uh the

47:16game works, how the team functions and

47:18so but it really applies to any sport.

47:21Um and then any act activity as well. So

47:24you know you have this sort of defensive

47:25zone where you're a bit more passive.

47:27There might be a little bit more

47:28timidity to it. You're kind of you're

47:30protecting yourself. You're a bit more

47:31reserved but it's a very important role

47:33and it's kind of how you introduce

47:34yourself to the space. And there's this

47:36idea of neutrality where you're sort of

47:38in the middle. It's where you start to

47:39kind of test the waters, explore a

47:41little bit, push your boundaries a

47:42little bit. And then the opposite end of

47:44that defense is the attack. You're

47:46you're you're the offensive player. Um

47:48and all of this is very comprehensive to

47:51create, you know, how a team functions,

47:52how a space comes together, uh how a

47:54playfield operates, and how and how the

47:57game works. And so on that on that

47:59activity or on that, excuse me, on that

48:00attacking zone, we're thinking about

48:02challenge and adventure. So what we want

48:04to think about is applying that to the

48:06idea and the sense of experience and

48:08play for everybody. So while we're

48:10thinking about designing a space that

48:11appeals to all ages, all abilities, um

48:15physical, intellectual, um really across

48:18the board, and then we're trying to

48:19think about how we can create moments to

48:21challenge and develop those base

48:23fundamental skills at an early age and

48:25then carry that all the way up through

48:28uh the different age groups that we

48:29would invite and welcome to experience

48:31this space. Uh, so that's that's sort of

48:33the the literal and then what you're

48:35going to see here is just there's a lot

48:36of words and there's a lot of lines. I

48:38reckon I'm not expecting anybody to read

48:39this, but what we're talking about is

48:42identifying play opportunities and the

48:43idea of creating opportunities for

48:45movement and challenge and exploration,

48:47development of senses, social play,

48:49cooperative play. So, we're building all

48:51these skill sets at a young age. And

48:53then we're identifying some of the

48:54challenges that some that some members

48:56of society face more so than others. and

48:59then how can we think about a design

49:01response and then what are the

49:03developmental considerations and so what

49:05this is representing is that there's a

49:07lot of interconnectedness here there's

49:09different layers of this but we're

49:11trying to build a cohesive response to

49:13where if I design a space I want it to

49:16help facilitate um anybody that wants to

49:19experience it they all have a way to do

49:21it in their own way and a unique way um

49:24and they're challenged and it it it it

49:27uh it fosters a sense of development

49:30Uh we mentioned community engagement. Um

49:33and so these are some of those key

49:35questions that we've gotten feedback

49:37from. Um ultimately we had pretty you

49:40know we we had um on our online survey

49:43alone we had 360 plus reviews. We had

49:46responses of nearly 1500. Um but some of

49:50the key takeaways are that people are

49:51looking for a variety of play. They

49:53don't want the same thing. They don't

49:54want the same thing at every different

49:56site. They want uniqueness. They want uh

49:58they want to be able to experience a

49:59place a space in their own way too. Um

50:03inclusive participation. Um so I want to

50:05be able to you know they want to be able

50:08to experience a space with their

50:09friends, with their family, uh with

50:13other other children they might meet and

50:14not have known before that. Um and then

50:18the idea of just giving everybody a

50:20voice. Some of the things that we really

50:22consistently heard were the importance

50:24of shade, shade, shade. Over and over

50:26we're hearing the idea of comfort. So

50:29it's a lot of these are responses coming

50:31from parents, but as a parent it's like

50:32it's much more enjoyable if I can think

50:34about creating comfort for this, you

50:36know, a comfortable environment for the

50:37parent so that I can be a caretaker to

50:39my kid. I don't feel like I'm rushed

50:41because it's it, you know, make it

50:42inviting for everybody. So some of the

50:45key takeaways we're walking away from

50:46this with are we're going to do

50:48everything in our power to retain those

50:49trees, leverage that shade. We're going

50:51to also think about how do we pull that

50:54through sort of the center of that

50:55space. So it is a pretty confined space

50:57right now. What you'll see on this

50:58diagram in a minute when we look at the

51:00concept is that we're trying to think

51:01about maximizing that footprint. So

51:04don't think about an isolated space with

51:06unused space around it. We're trying to

51:07create a an expansive experience,

51:10maximize the space and the opportunity

51:12at our hands. Um we're going to retain

51:15as much as we can. We're going to

51:17renovate. Uh we want to make sure that

51:19we have open sight lines and we want to

51:21have secure boundaries. Um when we're

51:22thinking about uh certain developmental

51:25conditions, you know, creating a sense

51:27of boundary. Um and open sight lines

51:30promotes security. It promotes comfort.

51:32Everybody feels welcome within that

51:34space.

51:36Um these are going to be I'll go through

51:38these really quick, but these are just a

51:39variety of different image types and

51:40these are just to start to kind of get

51:42the wheels turning and how we're

51:43thinking about different play elements.

51:44And then on the left, these are just

51:46skill sets. And what we're trying to

51:47identify is as we think about movement

51:50and different play apparatus and

51:51different play sequences, you know, how

51:53we're fostering that sense of

51:54development. And as I as I go through

51:56these, what you'll see is there are some

51:58repeat elements or repeat typologies of

52:00play. And what we're recognizing and

52:01what the chart previously recognized is

52:03that if we do this right and we and we

52:05work with the right specialists and the

52:06right equipment providers and we think

52:08about the space and the topography and

52:09how we create we use color and

52:12materiality uh we're able to appeal to

52:14everyone and create uh sort of crossf

52:17functional uh pieces uh of play where

52:20it's it's it's creating challenge, it's

52:22fostering development, and it's it's

52:23building all these different skill sets

52:25in one without really even thinking

52:27about it.

52:29Um, so I'm just going to keep going

52:31through these.

52:34Um, but again, yeah, and how let me get

52:38So it's it's movement. We also want to

52:40think about control. So as we think

52:41about younger generations, we want to

52:43build that sense. We want to create

52:45challenges where they're gaining balance

52:46and core stability. Uh, they're, you

52:49know, they're working on fine motor

52:50skills. Um, we also want to think about

52:53um how people can navigate this the

52:55space. So how are they working their way

52:57through the equipment? what's their

52:58spatial awareness um creating obstacles

53:00but also in inherently building in ways

53:03in which they can overcome them. And

53:05then we want to think about how people

53:07connect not only to themselves and their

53:09surroundings but also how they build

53:11community within their group of friends,

53:13their group of family.

53:16So where we are right now, this is a

53:17bubble diagram. Um if I were to show my

53:22but the current footprint is about right

53:25there. And so I mentioned we're trying

53:27to expand that. We're really trying to

53:28we're not encroaching on that exterior

53:30sort of woodland edge, but we are trying

53:32to maximize the footprint of what the

53:34space could be. We don't necessarily

53:36want, you know, there it's still nestled

53:38in the site, but we want to create a

53:39sense of identity. A lot what we what we

53:41heard is when we were talking about this

53:43in the open house, we had to pause and

53:45really tell people how to even like

53:47where are we even in Apex? They a lot of

53:49people don't even realize this

53:50playground exists. And so, you know,

53:52we're thinking about, well, how can we

53:54create some verticality to it, some some

53:56interest, some moments. So, as we think

53:58about some of the play equipment that

53:59we'll talk about here in a minute, you

54:01know, we want this experience to start

54:04from the sense you the moment you arrive

54:06in the space. We don't want, you know,

54:07so as when you leave your car, there's

54:10moments of engagement. There's

54:11opportunities to initially engage.

54:13There's that there's moments that spark

54:15your interest. And there's so that's

54:17what, you know, these little blue dots

54:18that you kind of see along that pathway.

54:20These are, you know, activity boards,

54:22places where you can pause and reflect

54:24and they're engaging moments that kind

54:26of draw you into the space. Um, thinking

54:28about the spectator zone. So, again,

54:30it's kind of a literal overlay of kind

54:31of a playfield and how you, you know,

54:33there are spectators, there are

54:34caretakers that are there watching the

54:36activity. So, we're thinking not only

54:38about how people are playing in the

54:39space, but how everyone there is

54:40experiencing it. And so, there's this

54:42perimeter edge at which I can always

54:44have eyes on my child. Um, and then as

54:48you enter the space, you kind of enter

54:49that passive space. So, you're kind of

54:50like, you know, you're in more of a

54:52defense. There's a there's a there's a a

54:54calmness to how you're kind of playing.

54:56Then there's this sort of center space,

54:58which is that neutral zone where you're

54:59starting to explore a bit more. Um, one

55:02thing that's unique to the site that we

55:04want to leverage is there is a

55:05topography change. So, there's about

55:06five or five feet of grade from one side

55:08to the other. We're not looking to

55:09necessarily level the entire thing off.

55:11I think that presents unique

55:12opportunities where we can think about

55:14inclusivity and accessibility. So we can

55:17as we think about the attacking zone or

55:19the more um adventurous components of

55:22play, we can sort of situate those in

55:24the back and there's going to be more

55:26vertical aspect of those. So they're

55:27going to be taller towers, different

55:29elements that kind of peique your

55:30interest the second you moment the

55:31moment and the second you walk into the

55:32site. And then the idea, we have a

55:34section here in a minute that will kind

55:35of show how we're utilizing that grade

55:37change so that we can allow people that

55:39might be in a wheelchair to kind of get

55:41up in the air and experience some of

55:42those upper elevations of the site. So

55:45again, what we're talking about here is

55:46creating connectiv connectivity

55:48recognizing that people are arriving at

55:50the space from a variety of different um

55:52positions. Whether I have a sibling on

55:54the ball field, whether I came just for

55:55the park and I'm in one parking lot or

55:57the other, everybody has an equitable

55:59experience how they approach it. And

56:01there's a variety of ways in which I can

56:02experience the site depending upon

56:04whatever wherever I am. You know, if I'm

56:07if I'm a timid and a bit more shy or

56:09whether my kid just wants to run out and

56:11climb the highest thing and jump off the

56:12highest thing possible.

56:15So concept, we kind of take that from a

56:17bubble diagram to a concept. This is

56:18kind of what that starts to look like.

56:20Um where we start to articulate some

56:22form and some play selection. So again,

56:24you know, moments of p, you know,

56:26moments that kind of peique your

56:27interest as you're walking in. uh sort

56:29of you know more passive play components

56:32as you get into sort of the blue zone

56:33that green zone is a bit more where

56:36there's a neutrality to it. You're

56:37starting to explore you know things are

56:39test different play components are kind

56:40of testing your ability and then

56:42utilizing that grade change to create

56:44connectivity. So I can walk around the

56:46site or I can slide right down the hill.

56:48I can climb up and down it. It also

56:50gives us an opportunity to kind of pull

56:51some softscape. So we recognize there's

56:53trees here but trees mature out and so

56:55we're trying to pull trees in too. Um,

56:58nothing. You know, we also want to be

57:00mindful of the maintenance. So,

57:01everything that's proposed here would be

57:03very maintainable. Uh, but we're

57:05thinking about, you know, as trees

57:06mature out, we'll be we'll be planting

57:08newer trees that will provide that shade

57:09for the generations to come. And then

57:11the bigger components that, you know,

57:13there's sort of a destination piece.

57:14It's a it's an identifying element. It's

57:16something that you recognize as you're

57:18arriving in the park. And then just a

57:21quick cross-section. Again, we're very

57:23in concept here, but on the left side,

57:25you can see that existing facility. This

57:27is how we're just leveraging that five

57:28to six foot topography change to create

57:30bridging elements and really kind of

57:31pull visitors through. You can go up and

57:34down. You can go all around. Uh again,

57:37it's very it's diagrammatic. It's

57:38conceptual, but it's intended to kind of

57:40show how we're thinking about that

57:41vertical expression and creating

57:43something that's unique um that doesn't

57:46exist today like in this location. So,

57:49I'll pause there. I know I was probably

57:51a little longwinded and I apologize, but

57:52I'll open it [clears throat] up for any

57:53questions or anything that you have.

57:56Thank you for all that. I appreciate you

57:57thinking about the different zones like

57:59the defense having that passive

58:00personality. Um, and so it doesn't

58:03matter where someone is in terms of like

58:06their, you know, courage or lack of fear

58:09factor versus fear factor. So I I can

58:11appreciate that. When you're talking

58:13about the vertical verticality, you you

58:15mentioned like accessibility despite

58:16that. So this is something that this is

58:19all inclusive despite you know there

58:21might be a personality difference but no

58:24matter what your physical ability is you

58:26could still achieve access all the way

58:28through.

58:29>> Yeah sorry no that's okay.

58:30>> Yeah the idea is to maximize that. So

58:32you know I'll go back to the plan. Are

58:35you able to see my cursor? Mhm.

58:37>> Um so on the so the idea is that you've

58:39got the high point is the building but

58:41yes you're the idea is that we can we

58:43can create by playing with that

58:44topography if we have a taller feature

58:46and it's multi level. We're using those

58:48higher elevations to create connections.

58:51So you have a path that gets you around

58:53that allows everybody excessively to

58:55traverse and get throughout any space on

58:57here. Um we would try you know to

59:00maximize your access to as many levels

59:02as we can of different towers or play

59:04equipment or whatever we're thinking.

59:06Um, you know, there might be some very

59:08upper levels where not, you know, you

59:10might not be able to get like a

59:11wheelchair to the very top of every

59:12single piece, but the idea is that you

59:14can they can essentially access and

59:17integrate and and work and and and um

59:20and collaborate with their their, you

59:23know, others out there uh on every

59:25feature that's out here. So, yeah, we're

59:27we're trying to promote that you have an

59:29accessible means to get to any feature

59:31out here.

59:33And then in terms of the um I mean you

59:35talked about expanding the footprint

59:36which is great to really maximize the

59:38space. Has there been any thought given

59:40to like the actual perimeter safety

59:42perimeter for allowing a little more

59:45independence as a you know as a

59:47caregiver and stepping back and

59:49>> feeling safe.

59:50>> Yeah I think we've talked that at a high

59:52level. We haven't really defined like am

59:54I going to you know are there edges

59:55where I need to think about a fenced

59:56barrier or something. There probably are

59:58areas where we want to think about some

59:59element and some barrier. I think the

1:00:02woods are kind of doing that to a

1:00:03certain extent. Um, but I know there

1:00:06are, you know, there are some, you know,

1:00:08there are some developmental conditions

1:00:09where having that sense of boundary,

1:00:10even if it's not on every edge, it does,

1:00:13you know, it does, and this is what

1:00:16we're in having these conversations with

1:00:19the um the focus group where we've got

1:00:21people that come and they have they've

1:00:23got kids or grandkids that have had some

1:00:26of these uh different conditions that

1:00:27we're talking about. then um you know

1:00:30they're able to give us that insight in

1:00:32terms of like what what promotes that

1:00:34sense of security. Um it doesn't

1:00:36necessarily mean you have to secure

1:00:37every every boundary but I think there

1:00:39are edges where we'll want to think

1:00:40about you know possible boundaries. It

1:00:43could be a fence you know I've done

1:00:44these where it's not even like a metal

1:00:46fence. It could be like a split it's

1:00:47just some kind of sense of barrier that

1:00:49just says like I'm supposed to go there

1:00:50I'm not supposed to go there.

1:00:52>> That's good especially for someone that

1:00:54has more than one child and is trying to

1:00:57manage all of that. It's helpful. They

1:00:58feel safe. So, I'm going to this park or

1:01:00Hunter Street's a good example. It's

1:01:02smaller. It's contained. And people feel

1:01:03like, okay, I can step back for a second

1:01:05and let my kids play because at a

1:01:06minimum, you know, they're not going to

1:01:08leave the area. So, that's that's

1:01:11>> Well, you're right. It already has that

1:01:13sense of I mean, distance from the road.

1:01:15>> Um, and then the woods, it does feel

1:01:17like you have just more of a net around

1:01:21it.

1:01:21>> Feels like naturally it's in our face.

1:01:23>> Sort of a natural boundary.

1:01:24>> Yeah. And the topography like helps

1:01:26also.

1:01:28>> [clears throat]

1:01:29>> um as as uh board members, we get to um

1:01:34view a lot of these things through

1:01:36different lenses, right? So, um you and

1:01:39this is one of the reasons why I sit on

1:01:41this board. Uh my education is in

1:01:43kinesiology and in education. I'm also a

1:01:46strength and conditioning specialist. I

1:01:48coach a lot of the youth right here in

1:01:50Apex through our parks and wreck. This

1:01:52is what I want to see, right? instead of

1:01:55just the playgrounds that keep kids

1:01:56busy. I'm looking for functional

1:01:58movements and you're saying a lot of the

1:02:00great things. Um so I just want to echo

1:02:03thank you for all the hard work and uh

1:02:05all the effort um capacity right

1:02:08improving quality um accessibility

1:02:12um these all sound great. So um with

1:02:17this construction will will there be any

1:02:19closures? Are we going to have to close

1:02:21anything off during this construction

1:02:23process?

1:02:24>> Um, I think it would be pretty I think

1:02:26it would

1:02:28it's not I haven't really looked through

1:02:29it in detail through that lens yet, but

1:02:31I think it's pretty isolated. Um, like I

1:02:34mentioned, we would be doing some

1:02:35circulation

1:02:36uh improvements and connectivity. We'll

1:02:39be doing minor improvements to the

1:02:40accessible parking in both lots that are

1:02:42east and west of this. So, there'll be

1:02:44partial closures, but the majority of

1:02:46those lots will remain effectively open.

1:02:48>> Okay. Um, and then I think we would just

1:02:50need to think about and work close with

1:02:52parks and wreck on like where we want

1:02:53to, you know, we want to be mindful of

1:02:55safety. I don't want to like sort of

1:02:57push it too. I want to I want to set a

1:02:58comfortable boundary in which the

1:03:00contractor could eventually work. Um,

1:03:02probably without pushing and pulling on

1:03:04a boundary too much because um, but I

1:03:06think it's a pretty I mean, if you're

1:03:08looking at the image that's on the

1:03:10screen right now, it's probably not much

1:03:12broader than that red line that we

1:03:15really need to think about. Um, so we

1:03:17would try to, you know, the fields I

1:03:19think would still be operational. I

1:03:21think for much of it, I think we could

1:03:23keep the restroom operational. There

1:03:24might be times where we have to

1:03:25partially close one side of it because

1:03:27it kind of sits up on a high point. The

1:03:29idea is we're kind of bringing grade up

1:03:30to it. Um, and so that, you know, at the

1:03:33restroom I can kind of walk out into the

1:03:34play space. I'm not immediately going

1:03:36downstairs. So I think if we had any

1:03:38closures, they would be kind of partial

1:03:40and short short term. is just based on

1:03:42tonight we're looking at 287

1:03:45new residential units, right? So closing

1:03:49or roping stuff off seems a bit

1:03:52counterproductive. So thank you for

1:03:54that.

1:03:55>> I think yeah, we would I mean we we

1:03:57worked on a lot of part we yeah we we're

1:03:58familiar we know where you're coming

1:03:59from. We've wor you know working with

1:04:01multi municipalities we're aware that

1:04:03nobody wants to have closure. It all it

1:04:05creates a headache for everyone, right?

1:04:07So we'll certainly work closely with

1:04:10you.

1:04:12you mentioned um removing some mature

1:04:15trees. Is is that something?

1:04:17>> Uh no. The idea is that well we're

1:04:19trying to maximize the number that we're

1:04:21able to retain. So we're trying to

1:04:22maximize retaining all of them. If we

1:04:25have to remove any it would be very

1:04:27minimal and we would be selective about

1:04:29the species and we would look closely

1:04:30with the caliber size. We've done a

1:04:32survey. We are looking closely at you

1:04:34know where we can save. We're like like

1:04:36I said, we're trying to save as many.

1:04:37We're trying to plant new ones. um if we

1:04:39have to take any it's going to be very

1:04:40isolated and it's just going to be for

1:04:42us to probably adjust the grade to make

1:04:44accessibility or make some of those

1:04:46those you know make that grade work like

1:04:48we've been talking about. It's very

1:04:49minimal.

1:04:50>> I'm glad you've been addressing uh

1:04:51repeatedly how valuable the shade is

1:04:54there. Um that's one of the favorite

1:04:56parks um because of all of those mature

1:05:00trees providing shade no matter what

1:05:02time of day. Um, speaking as someone

1:05:04who's used those parks multiple times,

1:05:06um, from the ages of five to about 13,

1:05:09they're playing baseball. So those that

1:05:13specific, we we like to call it kind of

1:05:15like a hidden gem playground is for

1:05:18those siblings who are there essentially

1:05:22for hours and hours at a time. So, I

1:05:25appreciate that you are doing all this

1:05:28research and realizing that in addition

1:05:30to having the hockey um you know aspects

1:05:33of it, those little kids there are

1:05:36really there for baseball. Um so, you

1:05:38know, for the most part, anything that

1:05:40could be a part of the baseball training

1:05:43because the littles all just want to be

1:05:45just like their bigs.

1:05:47>> And I I actually I've coached my son on

1:05:48that ball field to the west um for about

1:05:50three years running. So, I've seen on a

1:05:53week night how it works. You know, I've

1:05:55seen how many

1:05:57>> visitors are out here on a Saturday from

1:05:599:00 am to, you know, 2 p.m.

1:06:01>> So, I know how it functions. I know

1:06:02exactly what you're talking about. And

1:06:03so, we definitely recognize that. And if

1:06:05you actually look at the age group, uh,

1:06:07it was interesting like the two to five.

1:06:10uh sorry bouncing around but like our

1:06:13age group

1:06:14>> you know that two to five and the

1:06:15younger end of the five to 12 is that

1:06:17peak and so that it's their older

1:06:19siblings are playing ball and they're

1:06:21here to you know

1:06:22>> well I'm glad that you have firsthand

1:06:24experience because as you know those two

1:06:26spark parking spaces are already maxed

1:06:29out um you know people are parking along

1:06:32the streets um you know so if we're

1:06:35going to lose more parking spaces

1:06:37because of the um you you know,

1:06:40handicap, which you know, of course, I

1:06:42know that that is a requirement and

1:06:43something we need to do, but what's

1:06:46going to happen in that congestion?

1:06:49What's going to happen with the overflow

1:06:50that is already overflowing and traffic?

1:06:54>> Yeah, we're I I I don't know if the

1:06:56we're not necessarily looking to expand

1:06:57with this particular project. One thing

1:06:59we are looking at in the upper left

1:07:01diagram is we're analyzing some of the

1:07:03connectivity. So as part of this, we are

1:07:05at least conceptually studying how those

1:07:08connections can be improved and thought

1:07:10about. So even if it doesn't get

1:07:12necessarily constructed with this

1:07:14project, there's a vision for how we can

1:07:15think about. So I know, you know, I

1:07:17firsthand I know that north parking lot

1:07:19north of the drive fills up too

1:07:21>> and there's sort of like a mob of people

1:07:22walking to the fields to the south

1:07:25>> or going across the lot to the east. So

1:07:26I know there's a lot happening at that

1:07:28intersection but we are looking about

1:07:30you know how can we promote

1:07:31accessibility but also just the

1:07:32circulation paths to make more to

1:07:35improve the safety at you know where we

1:07:37need we're going to have to have

1:07:38crossing but we want to improve those

1:07:40and think about you know how people are

1:07:42moving out of

1:07:42>> great

1:07:43>> we are definitely looking at that at

1:07:44least at a concept level so that there's

1:07:47a vision forward moving forward

1:07:48>> thank you

1:07:51>> I just really appreciate um how much

1:07:53time that you all your team has spent on

1:07:57um exploring the purpose behind

1:07:59everything that you could be proposing

1:08:01and how it can kind of serve who you are

1:08:03serving. So I I really appreciate that

1:08:06um service just just for for

1:08:08specifically for this community. Um I

1:08:12hate to ask the question, do we have a

1:08:14budget? Do we have a cost estimate kind

1:08:16of where where do we sit relative to the

1:08:19grant application? Is that a

1:08:23addition to a budget that's been

1:08:24earmarked or kind of where Yeah, just

1:08:27because I want I want this to to happen.

1:08:30>> Yeah. So, the the master plan or the

1:08:32concept plan level estimate that we have

1:08:34right now that we are presenting uh for

1:08:38the grant purposes is $1.5 million

1:08:41where we are looking at 750K in the

1:08:45grant and then 750k from the town

1:08:48commitment.

1:08:52Thank you.

1:08:54>> Actually, that's lower than I thought it

1:08:56was going to be. So, [laughter]

1:08:58>> I may have missed this. I apologize.

1:09:00>> Is there an age group that's being

1:09:01considered for this playground?

1:09:03>> Um, it's really going to be zero. I

1:09:05mean, I would say 0 to 12, right? It's

1:09:07kind of our target age, but um well, I

1:09:09would say it's not our target age. It's

1:09:11when we think about play equipment and

1:09:13you know, they sort of fall within a

1:09:14range. I think most of it's going to hit

1:09:16that 0 to 12 range. But I think in terms

1:09:19of how we're designing for it to be

1:09:21experienced, I think a lot of these

1:09:22elements would be fun for the idea is to

1:09:24I don't really have a design zone per

1:09:26age that we're in there's sort of this

1:09:29kids of all ages kind of interacting

1:09:32together. Uh kids of all abilities kind

1:09:34of interacting together. It's sort of

1:09:35like go where you feel most comfortable

1:09:37is kind of the approach here. But if you

1:09:40were to put an age range on on

1:09:42equipment, it's probably that full that

1:09:43full spectrum of like 0 to 12. Um, but I

1:09:46think a lot of this is going to surpass

1:09:48that. I think you'll find kids, older

1:09:52some older kids, you know, jumping

1:09:53around equipment with their younger

1:09:54siblings, maybe even parents, too.

1:09:56>> That's why I was asking u with my

1:09:58background in strength and conditioning.

1:10:00I see

1:10:02um

1:10:04I see the words balance, coordination,

1:10:06sensory needs, right? Shared play. Uh

1:10:09but as a kinesiologist um you know a lot

1:10:12of my research shows that once we get to

1:10:14a certain age we're looking at the body

1:10:16as a kinetic chain. We're looking at

1:10:18movement patterns push pull squat hinge

1:10:20carry rotate stuff like that. So I'm

1:10:22curious to um kind of uh cater to a

1:10:27broader

1:10:28>> uh point,

1:10:29>> right? So and I understand the

1:10:31liabilities and you know a lot of that

1:10:33that comes with that but to be sure

1:10:35because I've you know I've been in this

1:10:37business for a long time there's a lot

1:10:38of uh parks that are strategically just

1:10:41for strength conditioning. There's no

1:10:44free weight so the liability is

1:10:45decreased a little bit. So just as a

1:10:48personal, you know, who um uses and uh

1:10:52uses the parks and lives in the

1:10:53community, I would love to see something

1:10:55like that if not on this one in the

1:10:56future. Just taking that under

1:10:58consideration, you know, kind of what

1:10:59age group would uh would benefit from

1:11:03this as as opposed to, you know, betting

1:11:05the younger kids of course benefiting

1:11:07from something like this.

1:11:09>> I think that's a good point. I think I

1:11:11mean one thing I know there are elements

1:11:13in here that are going to promote

1:11:14balance where you know it there's a lot

1:11:16of these simple elements that are that

1:11:18that do like there's climbing skills

1:11:20there's there's ropes and things that

1:11:22that really I I can get on and it's

1:11:25challenging right there's balance and

1:11:26coordination a lot of it is like how

1:11:28much do you want to test yourself and so

1:11:30a lot of those pieces I don't think

1:11:31there's a defining age limit on and so I

1:11:33think it will be I think we will find

1:11:35user groups extending up in the year

1:11:37>> I worry about the bigger kids

1:11:40on the little kid equipment and then it

1:11:48>> appreciate your comment about the large

1:11:50the larger range for age groups. Um at a

1:11:54ACP we also have the elevate fitness

1:11:56course that's right across the

1:11:59>> street and so that caters to that older

1:12:02age group if we want to consider that as

1:12:04an extension of this playground. Good

1:12:06>> point.

1:12:11I would also make the point too, I think

1:12:13I mentioned this in our last meeting in

1:12:14August, but in a case like this with the

1:12:17playground that's inclusive and that's

1:12:18the goal for accessibility, age is a

1:12:21little bit less of a consideration. It's

1:12:23more so like ability level and

1:12:25accessibility and things like that too.

1:12:27So you might have someone that's 22

1:12:29that's interacting with an 8-year-old on

1:12:32the same piece of equipment just for

1:12:33example.

1:12:37>> Thank you. appreciate it and I just want

1:12:38to echo some of the sentiments of

1:12:40appreciation for how intentional you all

1:12:42are about the benefits of you know the

1:12:44users of the park and you didn't say it

1:12:46outwardly but things I heard of it

1:12:49promotes teamwork right people working

1:12:50together and ultimately promotes

1:12:52confidence for the kids too after

1:12:54because of challenge right so you

1:12:55overcome the challenge here comes the

1:12:57confidence from that you know that that

1:12:59benefactor of the experience so thank

1:13:01you so much and if there are any other

1:13:04comments or questions would appreciate

1:13:06the update appreciate Thank you. Thank

1:13:08you everybody for your comments and

1:13:09time. Thank you. Thank

1:13:12>> nothing else. Uh we just need a motion

1:13:14to adjourn.

1:13:17>> Second.

1:13:18>> Motion improperly second. All in favor?

1:13:21>> Motion carried. Meeting adjourn.

1:13:26>> Yeah. Yeah.

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