2026-10-15 - Zoning Board of Appeals

00:05[music]

00:05>> Evening everyone and welcome to the

00:06Thursday, October 15th, 2026 6:00 p.m.

00:10edition of the Auburn Zoning Board of

00:11Appeals. My name is Robert Tetro and as

00:13the chair I'm calling this meeting to

00:15order.

00:16Uh just let me get through my

00:18uh responsibilities here this evening

00:20quickly. So, if anybody has any

00:21electronic devices, if you could turn

00:23them down to either a silent or vibrate,

00:24we would appreciate that. Is anyone

00:26recording the meeting this evening?

00:28Okay, hearing none, seeing none. You are

00:30allowed to record, that's not a problem.

00:31You just have to declare yourself,

00:32that's part of that rule. So, as you can

00:34see we're missing a couple of people

00:36this evening. I was just notified that

00:37Vice Chair Marron would be stuck at his

00:39employment, so he's not going to be with

00:40us this evening. I was aware that uh Ms.

00:42Roach was not going to be here. She was

00:44not here last month, she won't be here

00:45this month, but she'll be rejoining us

00:47in November.

00:49Um and also I see that Ms. Bush is not

00:51with us this evening, so I'm going to

00:52bring Mr. Adamiak and Mr. Shea up as

00:54full voting members. Now, before we

00:56begin any of the hearings this evening,

00:57I just want to let you know since there

00:58is only four of us here,

01:00we have to have a super majority, which

01:02means all four have to vote in favor for

01:04it to pass.

01:05So, what I'm going to recommend doing is

01:06we're going to open the hearings, we'll

01:07hear them and as applicants, if you

01:10would like to continue it until next

01:12month, I would definitely give you that

01:13option.

01:14Uh

01:15generally speaking, I don't think you

01:16have to worry about anything, but I'm

01:17not going to speak on behalf of the

01:18board and again you you have feel as

01:20though it's necessary, you can wait

01:21until next month to get a decision, we

01:23can continue it.

01:25So,

01:25before I begin, uh I think we have

01:27everything taken care of. So, if you

01:29want to just join me in rise for the

01:30salute to the flag.

01:35I pledge allegiance to the flag of the

01:37United States of America and to the

01:38republic for which it stands, one nation

01:41under God, indivisible, with liberty and

01:43justice for all.

01:46Okay, thank you very much.

01:48So, our first hearing this evening is 14

01:51Rotary Road, map 22 parcel five ZBA

01:5426-17,

01:57requesting a special permit to extend,

01:59alter, change a pre-existing

02:01non-conforming structure under section

02:038.3.1.

02:05The applicant, Jeffrey Pike, seeks the

02:07zoning relief described as above for the

02:09property at 14 Rotary Road, which is

02:11located in the residential RB zoning

02:13district. Currently on the premises is a

02:16single-family dwelling. The applicant

02:18seeks to construct a 500 plus or minus

02:20576 square foot attached garage. Do I

02:23have a motion to open the hearing?

02:25>> Motion to open hearing.

02:26>> a second?

02:26>> Second.

02:26>> All in favor? Any opposed? Hearing none,

02:29seeing none. Is the applicant present?

02:31>> Yes.

02:31>> If you'd like to approach the lectern,

02:33please, sir, and give us an overview of

02:34what you'd like to accomplish.

02:38>> Okay. I'd I'd like to just construct the

02:39two-car garage attached to the building

02:42um and keep it in the same line that

02:43it's that the existing building is in.

02:46>> Okay. Um

02:49So, you're looking to build a 576 square

02:51foot garage. You're not going to be

02:53interfering with any setbacks or

02:54anything like that. Is that correct?

02:56>> No, no.

02:57>> Okay.

02:58And I have the plan at least submitted

03:00here.

03:05And do we have any abutters that would

03:06like to speak on this matter at all?

03:09Hearing none, seeing none. Okay, I'm

03:10going to turn it over and I guess we'll

03:12take it to you, Mr. Cussy, first. Any

03:13questions?

03:14>> Um

03:15I don't have any questions. Um

03:18It's staying in line with the existing

03:19building. Uh

03:21where it's located on that Rotary Road.

03:24It's not interfering with anything. Uh

03:26So,

03:27I have no questions. I'm I'm good.

03:30>> I noticed you mentioned that you had

03:31driven past this today.

03:32>> I did.

03:33>> And you're comfortable with the area?

03:34>> I am.

03:35>> Okay.

03:36>> Yeah, I am. So, it's uh yeah.

03:38It's not going to interrupt with anybody

03:40or anything, so.

03:42>> Okay. Mr. Damiac, sir, do you have any

03:44questions or concerns?

03:45>> Uh no questions or concerns. I I

03:47reviewed the materials that you had

03:48presented and uh they're It's

03:50straightforward.

03:53>> [snorts]

03:53>> No? Okay, wow. This is an easy one I

03:56feel like. I have no questions or

03:57concerns. I'm confident with it. It

03:59seems like a pretty cut and dry. You

04:00have a 60.7 ft

04:03um

04:05setback on one side. It's the other side

04:08it would be at least it doesn't really

04:09say but you got 188.4 to the rear. And

04:13you're going from basically what you

04:15have a 6.1 ft and a 5.8 ft in the

04:18existing home that's already there.

04:21And it doesn't appear as though you'd be

04:22extending any further into that at all.

04:24Is that correct?

04:24>> Correct.

04:25>> Okay.

04:27So, do I have a motion to close the

04:28public portion of the hearing then?

04:30>> I'll make a motion to close the the

04:31hearing.

04:31>> Do I have a second?

04:32>> Second.

04:32>> All in favor?

04:33>> I.

04:34>> All right, one more time around.

04:36Mr. Koski, any concerns or questions?

04:37>> None.

04:39>> None.

04:40>> No questions.

04:40>> Okay, do I have a motion on the I'm

04:42going to read this again one more time.

04:45On the

04:46first hearing which is 14 Rotary Road

04:48map 22 parcel 50 DBA 2617, a special

04:52permit to extend, alter, change a

04:54pre-existing non-conforming structure

04:56under section 8.3.1.

04:58Do I have a motion to approve, deny?

05:01>> I'll make a motion to approve.

05:03>> With standard conditions?

05:04>> With standard conditions.

05:05>> Do I have a second?

05:06>> Second.

05:06>> All right. Mr. Shay?

05:08>> I.

05:09>> Just to make sure. You approve? You

05:11approve?

05:12>> I vote to approve.

05:13>> That was easy. Okay.

05:15>> Yeah.

05:15>> Hey, [laughter] thank you.

05:16Thank you very much for that.

05:17>> Absolutely. Good luck. You can be in

05:18contact with the building inspectional

05:20department and they'll take care of the

05:21rest of your paperwork.

05:22>> I'll see you soon.

05:22>> Thank you.

05:23>> Do I have a motion to close the first

05:24hearing?

05:25>> Motion to close.

05:26>> Do I have a second?

05:27>> Second.

05:28>> All in favor?

05:28>> I.

05:28>> I.

05:29>> Okay.

05:30So, we have to stay on time. It's 8:10.

05:35And we'll give Mr. Pike a minute to

05:37leave. But actually we don't even have

05:38they're not listed as times anymore

05:40which is convenient. They're only listed

05:41as numbers. So, that's actually great.

05:43Normally we'd have to wait 15 minutes in

05:44between. So, I'd would to hold you up

05:45for a few. So, I like this.

05:48So, our second hearing this evening is

05:5010 Rotary Road. It just happens to be on

05:51the same street. Map 22 parcel 3, ZBA

05:552618,

05:57seeking a variance for relief from the

05:58minimum required front yard setback

06:00section 5.4 and 9.5. Applicant Tony and

06:04Amy Defeudis

06:06seeking the zoning relief described as

06:07above for the property at 10 Rotary

06:09Road, which is located in the

06:10residential B RB zoning district.

06:13Presently on the premises is a

06:15single-family dwelling

06:17plus or minus 1245 square feet detached

06:19garage in the front yard of the property

06:21and to conduct associated site

06:23improvements. Do I have a motion to open

06:25hearing?

06:26>> Motion to open hearing.

06:27>> Do I have a second?

06:27>> Second.

06:29>> All in favor?

06:29>> I.

06:30>> I.

06:30>> Any opposed?

06:31Hearing none, seeing none, is the

06:32applicant here?

06:34>> Yes.

06:34>> Hi. If you'd like to approach the

06:35lectern and go over what your plans are

06:37and what you'd like to accomplish,

06:38please.

06:42>> So, if you're looking right at the the

06:44drawings in the front yard, I think you

06:46said attached. It'll be a detached

06:48garage construction, but right in the

06:50front of the yard, we'd like to put a

06:52three-car garage.

06:54Um we're making it so big so I can fit

06:55some boats and

06:57>> I like to get boats

06:58>> and toys, so I want to get all that

07:00stuff in. The reason I wanted to push it

07:02back or seeking relief from the frontage

07:05setback was right where the road turns.

07:08Um most of the garage would be in the

07:0930-foot

07:11um setback rule,

07:12but right where the road turns about

07:14halfway through where the garage would

07:16sit, it turns and it starts to get

07:17closer and closer where I believe I

07:19showed 17 foot six um roughly to the

07:23property line.

07:24Um so, I was hoping to be able to keep

07:27that cuz if I bring it closer to the

07:29house, it makes vehicle parking really

07:32hard in between the house. I'd have to

07:34um modify the driveway, the existing

07:37driveway,

07:38and anything I was going to store like

07:40boat trailers and things like that would

07:42have to go behind it. So, it would be

07:44visible from the street. So, my biggest

07:46concern is to get things in between the

07:48house and the garage so everything's not

07:50visible from the street.

07:51>> Okay.

07:53Do we have any abutters that would like

07:54to speak on this matter?

07:57Okay, hearing none, seeing none.

07:59Um I'll go around the the horn again. To

08:01you, Mr. Kussy.

08:02>> Yeah, um

08:04once again, I mean, it's a variance, um

08:06which is a little tougher than a special

08:08permit. Um

08:11yeah, I mean,

08:12I went by there today and I can see

08:14where you uh if you were to move it

08:16closer to the house, you're going to

08:17lose

08:18turnaround points and

08:21and access. So, uh

08:23once again, the road is uh it's not

08:25really interfering with anyone

08:27um

08:28by my feeling.

08:30Um

08:31so, I'm on the fence.

08:34I'm on board with it.

08:35>> Okay.

08:36>> I'm okay with it.

08:37>> And just so you're aware, too, last

08:38month we were notified by the town side

08:40that

08:42the threshold to approve a variance has

08:44been dropped a little bit. I think

08:45that's the best way to describe it. We

08:47discussed it at the last meeting. And

08:48really, they didn't change the standards

08:50as far as the four principles that we

08:52always use, but they did change the

08:54language as such that it would be

08:57less of a burden for the applicant to

08:58get a variance approved.

09:00Right. So, it's pretty a little bit

09:01easier now standards.

09:03>> that was a state

09:04>> Okay, I just wanted to make sure you

09:05were aware of that.

09:05>> So, this because of the location, um

09:08the road, um

09:09the road, that's that's you know, it's

09:11not going to interfere with anybody uh

09:13that I see. Uh so, that's my feeling

09:16with it.

09:16>> Okay. Mr. Adamiak.

09:19>> Uh so, just looking at the site plan, so

09:20it the garage will be in front of the

09:22house?

09:23>> It would be in front of the house,

09:24correct.

09:24>> And do you have a driveway going from

09:26the front of the house to the

09:28road at the

09:29>> Right now, yeah, it's a it's a C

09:31driveway that goes from one side in

09:33front of the house and then back out the

09:35other. And this would be right in the

09:36center of that.

09:37>> Oh, okay. Okay. I didn't I didn't see it

09:39on the um

09:40site plan, but uh

09:42yeah, it looks like you were where these

09:44houses are pretty like set back from

09:46main roads anyway. You're like your own

09:47little cul-de-sac back there. I'm

09:49actually surprised number 12 isn't here

09:52tonight

09:52>> [laughter]

09:53>> with a project because it seems like

09:55>> Right.

09:56>> the three of you would be in a row, but

09:57um I have no other questions. Thanks.

10:00>> Mr. Chaser?

10:02>> What are your plans with the garage?

10:04What are you going to use it for?

10:05>> So, it would be mine and her vehicle in

10:07the first two bays and then the boat and

10:10we have a small like a golf cart um

10:14recreational vehicle to go up and down

10:15the hills and that for that would go in

10:17the third bay.

10:19And that would be it. Just strictly

10:20personal.

10:24>> Good.

10:25>> And you know, I don't really have any

10:26questions. I'm looking at your plan here

10:28and I can see that you have Upper

10:29Stoneville Reservoir

10:30basically to the rear of the property,

10:32but I think obviously

10:34it's it's too close anyway, but you

10:35certainly don't want to block your view

10:36of the reservoir. I can understand that.

10:38And then you have this large front yard

10:40where again just for the record for the

10:42folks watching at home, you're looking

10:43at 48.5 ft to one side, you're looking

10:46at 55.8 ft to the other side and then

10:50anywhere from almost 17 at 17 6 and 3/4

10:54you got 30 ft and then 40 and 1/2 ft.

10:56So, again my concern if I had any would

10:59be Rotary Road and its view

11:02as people are traveling, you know,

11:04either way on it and I don't see really

11:05an issue with that at all at least from

11:06my point of view.

11:07>> Yeah, it's uh

11:09No, it's

11:10We're back far enough from the road I I

11:12believe. Yeah. I don't see any issues.

11:14>> All right. Okay. Um again, one more

11:17time. No abutters that are interested in

11:19speaking on this matter at all?

11:21Hearing none, seeing none. Do we have a

11:22motion to close the public portion of

11:23the hearing?

11:23>> Motion to close the hearing.

11:25>> Do I have a second?

11:26>> Second.

11:26>> All in favor?

11:27>> Aye.

11:27>> Okay, public portion is closed. One more

11:29time around, Mr. Cusick, do you have uh

11:31comments or concerns?

11:32>> No.

11:33>> Okay.

11:34Mr. Adamek.

11:35>> Given that it's a variance, is there

11:37anything in particular that we need to

11:38take into consideration when in our

11:40discussions or I don't I know that

11:43typically or one of the meetings we just

11:46talked about what the variance

11:47requirement is. I don't know if we need

11:49to discuss that.

11:51>> It's pretty straightforward. It's it's

11:53top I think

11:54>> it's changed but I can't remember what

11:55it is.

11:56>> topographical if I'm not mistaken which

11:58if you would agree.

12:01>> Yeah.

12:02>> I will read them in just for the record.

12:04>> The note of the state is giving relief

12:06so

12:07in this situation I think because of the

12:08location.

12:14>> I just want to make sure I find the

12:15right page here too. It's been a little

12:17bit.

12:30>> And that is a private road also so

12:32>> Right. Exactly. It's a private road.

12:34>> State highway is pretty much

12:40>> Hang on now. Now I can't find it of

12:42course because I'm

12:43under pressure trying to look for it.

12:45>> Yeah, we have

12:47wanted to get it out of the way here.

12:54Okay.

12:59>> So it falls under

13:01as we had mentioned 5.4 and 9.5.

13:05So I'll read through those first.

13:08Just to get them into the record.

13:24And it is one here to make sure

13:26everything is correct here.

13:27It's under HB.

13:30Or RB draft, excuse me. So, 5.4

13:33dimensional regulation tables.

13:38And 9.5.

13:41Or that first, actually.

13:531.3

14:00That's the table.

14:01Okay, 9.5. Our variance is here. It's

14:04page 102 if you're following along with

14:05me, or I apologize. So, the mandatory

14:07findings for a variance, before the

14:09grant of any variance from the

14:10requirements of this bylaw, the board of

14:12appeals must specify that it's owing to

14:15the circumstances related to the soil

14:16conditions, shape, or topography of the

14:18land, or structures, and especially

14:20affecting such land or structures, but

14:22not affecting generally the zoning

14:24district which it is located, or a

14:26literal enforcement of the provisions of

14:27this bylaw would involve substantial

14:30hardship, financial or otherwise, that

14:32desirable relief may be granted without

14:34substantial detriment to the public

14:36good, and without nullifying or

14:38substantially derogating from the intent

14:40and purpose of the bylaw.

14:41So, that's really it right there. We

14:43just have to make sure that it's owing

14:44to circumstances related to soil

14:45conditions, shape, topography of the

14:47land, and structures, and especially

14:50affecting such land or structures, not

14:51affecting generally the zoning district

14:53which it is located, a literal

14:55enforcement provisions of this bylaw

14:57would involve substantial hardship,

14:58financial or otherwise, and that

15:00desirable relief may be relief, excuse

15:02me, must be granted without substantial

15:04detriment to the public good, and

15:06without nullifying substantially or

15:07derogating from the intent and purpose

15:09of the bylaw. So, that's our standards,

15:11and I think we meet all of those.

15:12>> Yeah, the way the road turns,

15:14>> Right.

15:15>> and uh yeah, and it's not going to

15:17be in a any detriment to the uh

15:19neighborhood or safety uh

15:22conditions. There's nothing, so.

15:24>> Mhm.

15:24>> Yeah.

15:24>> I would agree. Okay, so with that being

15:27said, is that good for you, Mr.

15:28>> That's great. Thank you. I appreciate

15:29that. Thanks.

15:31>> Let me go ahead and read this back in

15:32again as we always do.

15:34So, do I have a motion on the second

15:37hearing this evening, 10 Rotary Road,

15:39map 22 parcel 3, ZBA 26-18, a variance

15:44for relief from the minimum required

15:45setback

15:47from the front yard setback, excuse me,

15:48section 5.4 and 9.5.

15:52>> Yeah, I'll make a motion to approve with

15:53standard conditions.

15:54>> Okay.

15:55>> Do I have a second?

15:56>> Second.

15:58>> I vote to approve.

16:00Good luck. You're all set.

16:01>> Thank you very much.

16:02>> Congratulations. You can contact the

16:03Department of Inspectional Services and

16:04they'll give you the paperwork and give

16:05you the next steps.

16:07Okay. Good luck.

16:09Do I have a motion to close the number

16:10the second hearing?

16:12>> Motion to close. Second here.

16:13>> Second here.

16:13>> Okay.

16:17Let me just shuffle some paperwork for a

16:18minute and we'll get the last one done.

16:40>> It's not like driving by.

16:42>> Okay.

16:43>> I take it you must be here for number

16:45three.

16:46>> [laughter]

16:46>> Okay.

16:48So, we have our third hearing this

16:50evening, 76 Church Street, map 48 parcel

16:53100 and 101,

16:55and Ridgewood Drive rear, map 40 parcel

16:5740, ZBA 26-19.

17:00They're seeking a variance for relief

17:01from the minimum parking requirement,

17:03section 6.3.2J,

17:05if you want to look that one up.

17:08Special permit to allow

17:10greater than 15% or 2,500 square feet of

17:13impervious surface on a lot within zone

17:15two of the aquifer and watershed

17:18protection overlay district sections

17:204.3.5.1

17:22and 9.3

17:24and a special permit to allow new

17:25construction in the flood plain overlay

17:27district section 4.1.7 and 9.3. The

17:31applicant, the Auburn Water District,

17:34seeks the zoning relief described as

17:35above for the property of 76 Church

17:38Street and Ridgewood Drive rear to

17:40construct a 3950

17:42square foot plus or minus water

17:44treatment facility adjacent to the

17:47existing well buildings and to conduct

17:49associated site improvements such as

17:51storm water upgrades, utility

17:53connections, and driveway improvements.

17:56Do I have a motion to open the hearing?

17:58>> Motion to open the hearing.

17:59>> And just so you are aware, we will have

18:01require three separate votes for this.

18:03We have a variance and two special

18:04permits. So, whichever way they go, they

18:07will be conducted in separate. So, is

18:09the applicant here?

18:11If you would like to approach the

18:12lectern,

18:13give us an overview of what you're going

18:14to discuss with us this evening. Now,

18:16can I just ask at the beginning, I'm

18:18also a butter. I wanted to make sure

18:19you're aware of that, so I would receive

18:21the butter's notices as well.

18:23But, I also received

18:25I had three conversations with three

18:27different neighbors in the last week or

18:29so, and I was kind of surprised that

18:31nobody really understood what P Fast

18:33chemicals were.

18:34So, would you mind beginning with a

18:36little bit of an explanation on what

18:37those are because this is also going to

18:39get replayed on the town

18:41uh YouTube channel, and a lot of people

18:43will probably have some questions that

18:44you might be able to answer.

18:46Thank you.

18:48Do I have a motion to open the hearing?

18:49Just want to make sure I did that.

18:50>> Uh yeah, motion to open the hearing.

18:51>> Second.

18:52>> Second.

18:52>> All in favor?

18:53>> Aye.

18:53>> Okay. Just want to make sure I did that

18:55already.

19:02Thank you.

19:11Oop.

19:18>> Perfect.

19:20This is just a site plan.

19:23So,

19:24thank you for having us tonight. Katie

19:27Carr with Tata and Howard. So, Tata and

19:28Howard is the engineer on the project.

19:30So, we're working with the Upper Water

19:32District who's the applicant on this

19:33project. We also have Matt Tibbetts with

19:35Tata and Howard.

19:36>> Hello.

19:37>> Um so, yeah, we're happy to give you

19:38guys a bit of a background on the

19:39project, why we're doing it, what the

19:41purpose of the facility is. Um but yes,

19:45it is ultimately So, this is the Church

19:46Street PFAS water treatment facility. Um

19:50so, the purpose of this facility is to

19:52remove PFAS from the water.

19:54It is um

19:56a hot topic right now. Um I am

19:58surprised, you know,

20:00seems like everyone these days hears

20:01about it. Um

20:03there essentially are six PFAS compounds

20:08that are found in

20:10many areas of life, drinking water being

20:12one of them.

20:13If it gets into the ground, it can get

20:15into our drinking water.

20:16Um

20:18MassDEP has set a limit on There's six

20:22PFAS compounds. I can't pronounce them

20:24all. They are long names. But MassDEP

20:26has a limit on the summation of the six

20:29PFAS compounds.

20:31Their limit is 20 parts per trillion.

20:33I guess just to bring it back a step.

20:35You might have also heard it called the

20:36forever chemical.

20:38That is because the compounds the PFAS

20:40compounds can't break down. Um

20:43so, the goal is to ultimately remove it

20:46from the water. Um it's it's

20:50it can have cancerous effects. Um it's

20:52not good in high levels. We're kind of

20:54in a shifting spot right now where the

20:56state Massachusetts has their own

20:59regulations for PFAS. And like I said,

21:01the 20 parts per trillion is

21:03it's a very small amount, a few grains

21:04of sand in an Olympic-size watering

21:07pool. Um the national standard is

21:10actually less than that. So, EPA has a

21:13maximum contaminant level of four parts

21:15per trillion for two of the PFOs

21:18compounds, PFOA and PFOS. Um

21:22So, right now at this location, the

21:24Church Street wells for the water

21:25district, they have PFOA and PFOS levels

21:29above the national EPA uh contaminant

21:32level of four parts per trillion.

21:35>> Can I interrupt for 1 second? I'm sorry.

21:36I just want to make sure you said four

21:38parts per trillion, correct? Because

21:40normally the standard is I I worked in

21:41the biotech industry and I understand a

21:43little bit of this stuff, not quite to

21:44your level, but normally this is parts

21:46per billion, correct? So, we're talking

21:48about parts per trillion now. Just so

21:50everybody understands how

21:52strict these standards are. Go ahead. I

21:54apologize.

21:55>> They're Yes, they're very strict in the

21:58drinking water world. Um they're not as

22:00strict in everything else. You You can

22:03find these in nonstick cookware. Um if

22:06you go to the grocery store and

22:08buy a cake, you know how it comes on

22:10that kind of like that black plastic

22:13that's clean like that that has PFOs

22:16that's regulated by a different

22:17government entity. So, there's there's

22:19different levels here, but it is very

22:20strict when it comes to drinking water.

22:22Um and yeah, the national uh level is

22:25more strict than the Massachusetts

22:26level.

22:28Massachusetts might take on that that

22:29level itself soon. Um

22:33So, that's kind of where we're at with

22:35PFOs. This site specifically is above

22:38that EPA maximum contaminant level. So,

22:40the district is required to

22:43construct treatment to remove PFOs from

22:46the site.

22:47>> And can I just ask too, for the folks at

22:49home really also, are these considered I

22:51know they're forever chemicals, and

22:52which means they don't break down and

22:53once they're inside you, they're inside

22:55you, they stay there. But are they

22:56considered carcinogens technically?

22:59>> I don't know if they would fall under

23:01the

23:01You're testing me. I don't know if they

23:02would fall under the category of

23:03carcinogens, but I know they can have

23:06carcinogenic effects. I so.

23:10>> Okay.

23:10>> There are multiple

23:12it's

23:13also depends younger folks it's a little

23:16bit more dangerous to have higher

23:17levels. We we worry about babies. Um

23:22but but yeah, it's it's it's the big one

23:24right now.

23:25>> Sure.

23:27>> So, it's it's a concern everywhere. It's

23:29concerning here in Mass. Um and it's

23:32just it is a requirement for for these

23:35folks to get that out of the water if it

23:37is above the

23:38um

23:40either contaminant level national or

23:42state.

23:43So,

23:45that's the purpose of the facility is

23:47PFOs removal. Um

23:49right now at the site there's three

23:52existing wells, Church Street wells 1,

23:532, and 3. Um

23:55if you're familiar with the site, wells

23:571 and 2 are on that 76 Church Street

23:59parcel. Well 3 is actually across the

24:01street. It's right next to the water

24:03district's office, which is actually I

24:05guess right around the corner.

24:06Um

24:07those wells are in their own individual

24:10well pump buildings. So, there's like

24:12three little buildings. Um and those

24:15buildings also contains just some

24:16chemical feed addition right now. And

24:18that's the extent of treatment at the

24:19site right now.

24:21Um

24:22so, this new facility is being proposed

24:25to remove PFOs. That is the ultimate

24:27goal of the facility.

24:29Since we are constructing this new

24:30building on site, we're also going to be

24:32moving the chemical feed from the

24:34individual buildings into this new

24:36building now and just we're going to

24:37have all the treatment in this one new

24:39building. It's going to streamline it.

24:41Um

24:43Also, if you've seen the site between

24:45the existing well 1 and well 2 pump

24:47buildings,

24:48um there is some empty space right now

24:50that is kind of just used for storage.

24:52That the new building's going to go

24:53right there in the middle of the two

24:54buildings um where there's where there's

24:57the empty space, it it does need to be

24:59central to the three wells.

25:01Three wells are now going to be rerouted

25:03with piping through the new treatment

25:05facility and then ultimately into the

25:07water mains in the street to feed the

25:09water district. Um

25:12So, that new facility will contain uh

25:16the way we remove PFAS typically is

25:18through filtration. So,

25:21it's large filters filled with a carbon

25:23media.

25:24Um and that's how we remove the the

25:26PFAS. So, there's going to be four

25:29carbon filtration vessels within this

25:31new building.

25:32Um

25:34There's going to be separate room for

25:35chemical storage and chemical feed. Like

25:37I said, all the chemicals are moving

25:38over to this new room now.

25:40Um there will be a bathroom in the new

25:42facility. There's a separate electrical

25:45room in the new facility.

25:47Pumps, water piping,

25:49valves, appurtenances, electrical

25:51equipment, um

25:54HVAC equipment, and there's sprinklers

25:55in the new building as well.

25:59And

26:01in addition to the building itself,

26:02there is um you know, good amount of

26:04site work. There's There is a lot of

26:06infrastructure to put in.

26:07Um there's a good amount of water piping

26:09we need to install just to connect those

26:11wells now to the new facility and then

26:12back out into the street. So, a lot of

26:14the work on site is going to be

26:16installing water mains, installing

26:17piping,

26:19um

26:20we are modifying, extending the existing

26:24driveway.

26:25Uh right now, there's kind of a short

26:28paved driveway that has a really harsh

26:31turning angle onto the site. Um it's

26:34really not well suited for large

26:37vehicles, including fire trucks. And

26:39they also need a large vehicle to be

26:41able to get onto site for chemical

26:43deliveries.

26:44So, we're extending that paved driveway

26:48up north just to kind of wrap around

26:49that north side of the well one

26:51building. And it's going to have a much

26:53wider turning radius. These trucks can

26:55get on site with without making a

26:56five-point turn.

26:58Um

26:59and then as that driveway kind of opens

27:01up onto the site, it's going to be a

27:02gravel driveway all around that new

27:04building.

27:06Um we be beyond the the paved driveway

27:09and then the gravel driveway around the

27:11building, everything else besides that

27:13is just going to remain grass. So,

27:15anything that's disturbed during

27:16construction will be loam and seeded at

27:18the end.

27:20Um

27:21there is stormwater design um included

27:24as well. You'll see some areas. We do

27:27have a a buried con- a corrugated metal

27:30pipe infiltration system on site

27:33for infiltrating and treating

27:34stormwater.

27:35Um

27:36we

27:38are submitting a notice of intent

27:39through conservation commission

27:41um and MassDEP and a land disturbance

27:44permit through the DPW as well.

27:48We do have the Dark Brook on site. The

27:50Dark Brook runs on the the eastern

27:52border of this site. Um so, because that

27:55Brook is there, we do fall within the

27:59town's um aquifer or sorry, um

28:03flood plain overlay district.

28:05Um so, because we are constructing a new

28:07building within that overlay district,

28:09that does trigger the requirement for

28:10the special permit um which is why

28:12that's on there.

28:14Because this is a well site, we are also

28:17within the um aquifer and watershed

28:20protection district. We're in the zone

28:22two um district for that. And the

28:25building itself is almost 4,000 square

28:28feet. So, we do meet that um greater

28:30than 2,500 square feet uh construction

28:33within the aquifer and watershed

28:35protection overlay district.

28:39As far as the requested variance goes,

28:42so we do um

28:46under section six of the zoning bylaws,

28:50um 6.3 for parking uses,

28:53this facility doesn't quite fall

28:55perfectly within um a a

28:58parking use type here, but I think we we

29:01classified it as an industrial facility.

29:03Um so, the bylaw states that an

29:06industrial facility must have

29:08um one space for each 2,000 square feet

29:11of net floor area

29:12plus

29:14um one space per employee on the largest

29:16shift.

29:18However, this facility is not an

29:20occupied facility. Water District

29:23personnel are not going to be staying

29:24here. There's not an office here.

29:26There's not a lab. Um

29:28so, what will be happening is operators

29:31with the district will be visiting the

29:32site once or twice a day just to check

29:35on operations of the facility. They're

29:37not going to be staying there.

29:38Um

29:39there's really not

29:41uh

29:42the the largest shift um with, you know,

29:44the space per employee on the largest

29:46shift

29:47um

29:48doesn't quite apply here, we think, just

29:50because of that reason.

29:52Also, with this being 76 Church Street,

29:54it is right across the street from the

29:56Water District office at 75 Church

29:58Street. The Water District office is

30:00where personnel, you know, stay

30:03throughout the day. Um they have parking

30:05there. So, the thought being they do

30:07have the parking right across the street

30:08at the Water District office, and also

30:09they're not going to be staying at this

30:11facility full-time. They're just going

30:12to be poking in to check on things.

30:15So, that is the basis of our request

30:18um for a variance for the parking

30:20requirement.

30:23Uh

30:24>> So, you're actually going to have a less

30:26parking, is that what you're saying?

30:27>> Less parking at this new facility. So,

30:30there's not currently any dedicated

30:31parking spots on the site now.

30:33>> Right.

30:33>> Um we're just not proposing any new

30:36dedicated parking spots. We

30:38There are There's ample room for

30:40employees to be able to park on the

30:42site. We just don't have any dedicated

30:43spots. Um Um, but there's none there's

30:46none there now on site.

30:48>> Okay.

30:50Um, well, we certainly don't have any

30:52about it cuz we're the only ones in the

30:53room, but I have to ask anyway to make

30:55sure that nobody wants to cut me any

30:56comments on that. Uh,

30:58I think we've covered at least the part

31:00about the variance for now. So, if if

31:03you are comfortable with everything, I

31:04can go around and ask the members of the

31:06board if they have any questions and

31:07then we can kind of bring it back to you

31:08if you'd like.

31:09>> I Yeah.

31:10>> Do you have any other questions or

31:11concerns, sir?

31:11>> I don't. I'm good with the So, this is

31:14on the parking.

31:16>> So, we can discuss all of it, but yeah,

31:17this is on the parking for now.

31:18>> So, I don't have any questions on the

31:20parking. Yeah.

31:21>> Mr. Dean.

31:21>> Questions on the parking.

31:22>> Mr. Chair.

31:23>> Good with it.

31:24>> Okay. So, I think for the parking, I

31:26don't really have any questions on it. I

31:28just like to maybe since we you've

31:29already covered it and rather than go

31:31back to it later. So, this is basically

31:33a high-pressure filtration facility if

31:35I'm not making a mistake, correct?

31:36>> That's correct.

31:37>> And it's going to be media filters and

31:39that media will at some point be changed

31:42out, I'm assuming.

31:43>> That's correct.

31:43>> And so, is that considered a hazardous

31:45material once it's dirty?

31:47>> So, that

31:47>> to call it dirty.

31:48>> Yes, that is completely taken off site

31:51and that it that media, once it's spent,

31:54which

31:55we won't really have a good idea of how

31:57often it does get spent until it's up

31:59and running. Um, but once that media is

32:01spent, it gets hauled off site and

32:03burned.

32:04Um, so, there are MassDEP approved

32:06locations that can handle that. So, it

32:09has to go to one of those approved

32:10facilities. It's not dumped on site or

32:12anything, it's taken off site.

32:13>> And you had mentioned chemicals that

32:15would be on site.

32:16>> Yes.

32:16>> Can you just touch on those a little

32:18bit, what they are? Are they water

32:19treatment chemicals, I'm assuming?

32:20>> Correct. Yep, there So, right now, the

32:23district uses um, potassium hydroxide,

32:25which is KOH, um, sodium hypochlorite

32:28for disinfection and then there's also a

32:30phosphate blend for corrosion control.

32:32Um, the KOH is for pH adjustment. They

32:35use those chemicals now.

32:37They're going to be using the same

32:38chemicals with the new facility.

32:40We will have them in a separate chemical

32:42room. It's going to be its own room with

32:44a door and its own ventilation. It kind

32:45of helps things out.

32:47Um

32:48the quantity of KOH that we have cuz KOH

32:52is considered a corrosive material. That

32:54does trigger requirement for us for fire

32:56protection. So, we do need to sprinkler

32:58the building because of that. Um so,

33:01that is kind of the one effect it has on

33:02the new facility. Um but, it is It's the

33:05same chemicals they're using now.

33:07It you know, it has to meet MassDEP

33:09approved

33:10sizing containment. There needs to be

33:12certain containment. It's like 110% of

33:14the volume of actual chemical storage.

33:17Um

33:18>> So, the first one's a water softener,

33:20basically, right?

33:21>> Yeah.

33:22>> Yes.

33:22>> Right. I'm familiar with that. I used

33:23sodium hydroxide in one of my past

33:26careers.

33:26>> Yep.

33:27>> Um the second one is bleach, basically.

33:30>> Chlorine, a disinfectant.

33:31>> or less, yep. Chlorine, yep. And then,

33:33the third one, again, I'm sorry.

33:35>> It's a phosphate. It's a poly It's a

33:37orthopolyphosphate blend.

33:39>> Okay.

33:39>> It helps with corrosion control. So, it

33:41kind of lines the inside of the water

33:42pipes to help

33:43>> Sure.

33:44>> prevent corrosion of the interior pipes.

33:46>> Okay.

33:47And uh again, from my familiarity with

33:49these, they're going to be probably in

33:5055-gallon plastic drums, most likely.

33:54>> Now, you're testing me. So, um

33:56the KOH is the the larger chemical is a

33:59larger quantity of the chemical.

34:01We There's bulk tanks where the majority

34:03of it gets stored and then there's a day

34:04tank and you have to transfer from the

34:06bulk tank to the day tank every day.

34:08Um KOH, we have two 1,000-gallon bulk

34:12tanks, I believe.

34:14>> 1,000 and 150.

34:15>> Okay.

34:16>> Sure. I'm familiar with those, too.

34:17>> Yep. Yep. And those will have a like a

34:19chemical fill station. So, when those

34:21bulk tanks get empty, they'll have a

34:23chemical fill truck come on site and

34:25fill it from the fill port.

34:27Um hypochlorite and phosphate are not as

34:29much quantity.

34:31Hypochlorite might be the bulk. Well, so

34:34we have drums, drum storage for

34:35hypochlorite and phosphate.

34:37>> That's what I thought. Usually they're

34:38pumped in the drum

34:39the top is opened, the pipe get the the

34:42siphon goes into it, it gets screwed on,

34:44and then it gets pumped in as required

34:45basically, and then they get changed out

34:47depending on like you said, it really

34:48depends on how often it gets used up.

34:50>> That's right.

34:51>> When it goes out they change the drum.

34:53>> Or water more chemicals. Um but yeah,

34:55because the hypochlorite and phosphate

34:56are not as high of a necessary quantity,

34:58those are stored in drums for both. I

35:00think you're I think it is 55 gallons.

35:02>> For the for the sodium hypochlorite,

35:04yeah.

35:04>> Okay.

35:04>> And you had mentioned the thousand liter

35:06drums. So, would there be a fork truck

35:09on site? I'm just curious. Is that how

35:10they're going to unload and load it cuz

35:11it had I know from the plant that I

35:13worked in that had this, it was

35:15basically it was an we used acid that

35:16was basically to control the pH of the

35:18outgoing water flow.

35:19>> Okay.

35:20>> So, we would bring it in through fork

35:22truck, bring it into the basement of the

35:23facility,

35:25make sure it was safely transported, and

35:26then bring the empties out. So, is there

35:28going to be some kind of a procedure

35:29like that? I would assume.

35:30>> So, for the large KOH bulk tanks, those

35:32stay in there. That

35:34>> Ah, okay.

35:34>> During construction we do need to bring

35:35them on site with something, some kind

35:37of equipment to to set them, but once

35:38they're there, they're there unless they

35:40fail. Those get filled through a port.

35:42There's a going to be a port on the

35:44exterior of the building where a a

35:46chemical

35:47fill truck can

35:49connect to the port and fill it up that

35:50way. So, they don't need to replace

35:52those bulk tanks when they get out.

35:53>> So, this is basically tanker transfer,

35:55if you will.

35:56>> Yep.

35:56>> Right. Okay, that's I I prefer that

35:58truthfully. I think it's a safer

36:00process. I'm familiar with that as well,

36:02and it's

36:03it it's the cleanest and most safest way

36:05to do it. The tanker pulls up, it's like

36:06filling a gas station. Tanker fills up,

36:09they put the hose to it, it goes in the

36:10facility, they pump out as much as they

36:12need based on the delivery requirement,

36:15and then they can break that down and

36:16and move on. You have a lot higher risk

36:19of spill or incident take place if you

36:22have a fork truck when you're moving a

36:23thousand liter tank around, you know.

36:25So, I just again, these questions are

36:28for the board but also for the folks are

36:29going to be watching this at home cuz I

36:31have a lot of curiosity about it, so.

36:33>> Go right ahead, please, sir.

36:35>> You had made mention that

36:37when the filters get dirty, they would

36:39have to be changed out

36:41and it would be considered

36:44hazardous material.

36:47>> Yes.

36:47>> And that's correct?

36:48>> Yes. Um so, there's a couple of

36:50distinctions. Um one so, those filters

36:54do the P FOS is absorbed to the carbon

36:56media. So, when I say the carbon media

36:58is spent that's what that's when the

37:01media has to be hauled offsite and and

37:04sent to an approved facility.

37:06It does it's a filter, right? So, same

37:08with like our water filters at home, it

37:10will accumulate sediment on top of the

37:12media through normal flows through the

37:15facility. So, those filters

37:18couple times a year maybe will have to

37:20be backwashed.

37:21>> Mhm.

37:21>> Um

37:23so, in that case water is just the flow

37:25is reversed. It goes from the bottom up

37:27to the top and we just basically

37:28backwash the water. Um just to get any

37:30built up sediment on top out of the

37:32filter. So, we do have um a holding tank

37:36for the spent wash water.

37:38Backwashed. Um

37:40and that holding tank anytime a filter

37:43is backwashed, that backwash water will

37:44go into the holding tank and then from

37:46there water in the holding tank is

37:48pumped into the sewer in the street.

37:50So, that's not a dirty filter. Um that's

37:54just a backwash process, but

37:56>> No, but what what I'm getting at is

37:59when the filter gets dirty, you would

38:01made mention that it's considered a

38:04hazardous material and would have to

38:06be taken offsite.

38:08Um

38:10who is going to be in charge of changing

38:13these filters? Okay, is it somebody from

38:15the water department? Is it a private

38:18concern that comes in? Is it somebody

38:20that's going to be

38:22what do you all have met trained to do

38:25this?

38:25>> No, when I said it's not a hazardous

38:28material. It's just a P fast. So the

38:30state won't let P fast go back into the

38:32ground. It's not a hazardous material. I

38:35if I said that word I I didn't mean the

38:36hazardous.

38:38It's just it has it's going to have P

38:39fast built up in that media. So we can't

38:42dispose of the P fast cuz I'm adding to

38:44the problem.

38:46Yeah, yeah, I get that.

38:48>> Worked in that field.

38:50So the bell went off and the light came

38:53on. Who's going to who's going to change

38:55all this stuff?

38:56>> Yeah, and it will be the water district

38:58in charge of coordinating disposal of

39:00that spent media, but it would have to

39:02be a disposal company that's approved

39:04through the state.

39:05>> So just again, I think I can add for the

39:07folks watching at home and people are

39:09going to watch this on the replay. This

39:11is basically what it comes down to is a

39:13giant pool filter if you will because

39:15you're going to have a media inside the

39:16filtration tanks. As you said it can be

39:18backwashed just like a pool filter at

39:20home and if it needs to be, you know,

39:22sometimes the pool filter can last the

39:24whole summer and you don't change it

39:25out. Sometimes it gets dirty and you

39:26have problems and then they got to they

39:28got to change it and that comes through

39:29with different types of testing

39:30materials and different types of

39:32observations. Correct?

39:34>> Correct. Yeah, it's a good analogy.

39:36>> I just wanted so again a lot of people

39:38have pools in town they'll understand

39:40what we're talking about. Makes it a

39:41little bit easier to understand.

39:43Okay, um

39:46>> So what's the same Oh, excuse me.

39:47>> No, go right ahead.

39:48>> Is this the same facility that they're

39:50building down in the sand pit? Are you

39:52involved in that?

39:52>> No, is that's the South Street? So they

39:55Okay, so we're not involved in that, but

39:57we do know that that's going on. That's

39:58that that facility is for P fast

40:01removal, but also iron and manganese

40:03removal. So they have a couple of

40:05different filters at that facility.

40:07>> I just happened to see the building the

40:08other day. I was like

40:09>> Yeah, that one's under construction now.

40:11Then this new building is actually going

40:13to like the exterior of it is going to

40:14mimic how that new facility is going to

40:16look. So the X series is going to look

40:17the same at this building.

40:22>> Okay, I think we've covered those. Mr.

40:23Damiac, do you have any questions or

40:24concerns just on that particular matter?

40:26>> I don't, no.

40:27>> Okay. So, can we just touch briefly uh

40:29just to make sure we understand so the

40:31impervious surface is basically the

40:33footprint of the building. Is Is that

40:35correct?

40:37>> Yes, the building um but the driveway

40:39we're also adding impervious area with

40:40the extended driveway. Um so, the 3,950

40:45sq ft number, that is the building

40:48size. Yes.

40:50>> And then the impervious surface

40:51remaining is the upgrading of the

40:52driveway. Again, I Again, living right

40:55down there now, I see what happens and

40:56they go in there and it's not a problem,

40:57but you do have the brook that runs

40:59through. I see occasionally the state

41:01DEP goes in there and takes water

41:03samples. They park there as well. Uh we

41:05had some recent with the um

41:07road resurfacing, we had some

41:09construction vehicles parked in that

41:11similar area. So, that's the area that's

41:13going to get tired and the rest you said

41:14is going to be gravel. Is that correct?

41:16>> Yeah, so it's the same spot that

41:17connects to the street as where the

41:19existing It's just going to extend.

41:21Right now, it kind of loops in

41:23right before that well one building.

41:25Now, it's going to go through the back

41:26of it. So, it is going to be a larger

41:28driveway with more pavement because of

41:29that. Um but right now, the the great

41:33the ground around that area right now is

41:36like a sandy kind of gravel and it is

41:39going to just stay. It's going to be

41:41improved gravel area around the building

41:43itself.

41:45>> So, that's good there and then we have

41:46the flood plain overlay district which

41:48we are already aware of because we deal

41:49with that anyway and it's because it's

41:51in zone two aquifer.

41:52>> Right.

41:52>> And they're going to be building a

41:53building for the purpose of It's

41:56building a building in the zone two

41:57aquifer to protect the zone two aquifer.

41:59Right? If you want to look at it like

42:00that, right? I think that'd be the best

42:02way to describe it.

42:03>> Yeah, I agree.

42:04>> [laughter]

42:05>> Okay. Uh anything else you want to add

42:07before I close the public portion of the

42:08hearing?

42:10>> Um no, nothing on our end unless there's

42:12any other questions.

42:14That sums it up.

42:15>> Any other further questions?

42:16>> I don't have any, do you?

42:17>> Okay. So, do I have a motion to close

42:18the public portion of the hearing?

42:19>> Motion to close the public hearing.

42:21>> Will I have a second?

42:21>> Second.

42:22>> All in favor? Aye. Okay, I'll just go

42:24around one more time. I think they did a

42:25pretty good job of explaining it. I

42:26think we have a good grasp for the folks

42:28at home that to me

42:32it seems like a no-brainer, even though

42:33we have to go and cover everything,

42:35because we're going to have a building

42:36that's going to be filtering our water

42:37and improving our water

42:38>> Right.

42:39>> and three wells down there. And just so

42:41we're clear there, if you're driving

42:43down Church Street or coming up past the

42:45water department, it's across the

42:46street. It's where that green fenced-in

42:48area is. There's two pump buildings

42:50there, and the third is over behind the

42:52building. It's a you if you were to take

42:54that road into the back of the driving

42:55range.

42:56>> Right.

42:56>> So, those are the three pump buildings

42:58they're referring to that will get tied

42:59in.

43:00So, do you have any questions or

43:01concerns about that at all?

43:02>> all right. I think it's an improvement

43:03to the

43:04existing buildings and property. So.

43:06>> Absolutely. I agree.

43:09>> Yeah, no, I mean, it's it's for the it's

43:11for the public good, and I and I know

43:13that in your materials and what you've

43:14said before, you've you've filed a

43:16notice of intent with the Auburn

43:18Conservation Commission, and then

43:19there's a land disturbance permit

43:21involved, so there's other processes

43:23involved here, too. Other over sites.

43:25>> Correct.

43:26>> Jay?

43:27>> I'm good.

43:28>> Okay. I would I agree, and the only

43:30thing I would just advise you on from

43:32I've lived down there for almost 35

43:34years now, and what I can tell you is

43:37the Mass Pike is they're plowing the

43:39snow, or sometimes it could be a

43:42combination of snow, water, ice, it gets

43:45thrown over the guardrails down in that

43:47direction. So, it just and I've seen it

43:49personally lots and lots of times. So,

43:52it just might be something in terms of

43:53the plan,

43:54um, you know, in terms of the building,

43:56it's something you might be aware need

43:57to be aware of, because you I would hate

43:59to see a really nice building built down

44:01there, and all of a sudden they starting

44:02to throw slush and and

44:05chemically treated snow melting on top

44:07of all that area down there, so just so

44:09you're aware.

44:10Um so if I have no other concerns and we

44:13have no other issues with the discussion

44:15part of it, what I'll do is break this

44:16down into three votes.

44:18So the first one is 76 Church Street,

44:21map 48, parcel 100 and 101, and

44:24Ridgewood Drive rear, map 40, parcel 40,

44:27ZBA 26-19.

44:29The first is for a variance relief from

44:31the minimum parking requirement section

44:336.3.2.j.

44:36Do I have a motion on the variance?

44:38>> Yeah, I'll make a motion to approve with

44:40standard conditions.

44:41>> Do I have a second?

44:42>> Second.

44:43>> Okay. And uh all in favor? All right.

44:46Any opposed? Hearing none, seeing none,

44:47that's all set. And we have the same 76

44:50Church Street that I've already read,

44:52and I'll save you from having to listen

44:54to me reading it again.

44:56A special permit to allow greater than

44:5815% or 2,500 square feet of impervious

45:01surface on a lot with zone two of the

45:04aquifer and watershed protection overlay

45:06district section 4.3.5.1

45:09and 9.3. And for the record, that would

45:11be the footprint of the building and the

45:13improvement of the driveway going into

45:16it,

45:17and it would not include the gravel

45:19driveway. But so we are a granting a a

45:22greater than 15% impervious surface for

45:24the overall project. Do I have a motion

45:27on that first special permit?

45:29>> Yeah, I'll make a motion to approve with

45:30a

45:31standard second.

45:32>> Second.

45:34>> And all in favor? All right.

45:36Any opposed? None. And I vote, for the

45:38record, to approve. Uh third vote this

45:41evening, which would be the second

45:42special permit, again 76 Church Street,

45:45to allow new construction in the flood

45:47plain overlay district section 4.1.7 and

45:509.3. Do I have a motion on the second

45:53special permit?

45:54>> Yeah, I'll make a motion to approve.

45:56>> And do I have a second?

45:57>> Second.

45:58>> All in favor? All right. Any opposed?

46:00Hearing none, seeing none, and I vote to

46:02approve. So, you're all set. Good luck.

46:04We appreciate it. The only thing I think

46:06I could ask is, do you have a time frame

46:08on when they might start and when they

46:09might finish?

46:11>> Yes, uh estimated, but yes. Um so, we're

46:14probably going to go out to bid early

46:16next year. Um so, construction will

46:18likely start around the summer of next

46:20year, 2027. Um ideally about a year and

46:24a half of construction.

46:26>> Oh, okay.

46:29Okay.

46:30>> What was that?

46:31>> We're going to have better water.

46:33>> You'll have better water.

46:34>> [laughter]

46:34>> You're getting She's guaranteeing that.

46:37>> I'm excited to see that, and I think

46:39it's going to be a great improvement for

46:40the town overall.

46:41>> Yeah, absolutely.

46:42>> Excellent. Thank you very much for your

46:43presentation. I'm sorry about that.

46:44>> Thank you.

46:45>> Yeah, thanks for the science lesson. I

46:46appreciate it.

46:47>> Yeah.

46:47>> Do I have a motion to close the third

46:49hearing this evening?

46:50>> I'll make a motion to close.

46:52>> All in favor?

46:53>> Aye.

46:53>> Aye. Second. Do I have a second?

46:54>> Second.

46:54>> All in favor?

46:55>> Aye.

46:56>> Aye. Thank you very much. So, uh three

46:58hearings for this evening are closed.

47:00Uh the next thing we have any discussion

47:03Any discussion from the town side?

47:05Hearing none, seeing none. Uh we have

47:07the minutes from 9/17/2026.

47:10Um

47:11what I would like to do with that, if I

47:12could, is make a motion to continue that

47:15until next month because we have Mr.

47:16Maron who's not here. Um Ms. Bush was

47:20also here for You weren't here.

47:22>> Right.

47:22>> So, that I think it might be easier if

47:23we just let the minutes continue to next

47:25month,

47:26if that's okay. So, I do a motion to

47:27continue this the minutes until next

47:29month.

47:30>> I'll make a motion to continue till next

47:31month.

47:32>> Do I have a second?

47:33>> Second.

47:33>> All in favor?

47:34>> Aye.

47:34>> Aye. Excellent. And our next meeting is

47:3711/19/2026.

47:39So, that's going to be November 19th,

47:41and as I spoke earlier, um just for the

47:43record, I will not be here next month. I

47:45was invited to speak at a fundraising

47:47event for the Friends of the Auburn

47:49Public Library to support the library.

47:52So, what they're going to talk about is

47:54it's It's like a stories from the stage.

47:57And what they do is they've they've

47:59selected five people and they invited us

48:01to go in there and tell an off-the-cuff

48:0320-minute story that might be

48:05inspirational. It could be family

48:07history. It could be something that you

48:09did. I did hear that I I don't want to

48:11spoil any surprises, but I did hear

48:14about two or three of the

48:16speakers that are coming in and a they

48:18sound really interesting.

48:20>> Huh.

48:20>> There's um

48:22I I'll say is there's an expedition

48:24involved, which is pretty cool. There's

48:26uh some town history involved, which I

48:28also think is pretty cool. And I'm not

48:30going to spoil anything. And I don't

48:31even know what I'm picking yet, so I'm

48:33stuck.

48:34>> [laughter]

48:34>> So, um

48:36if you're interested, that is November

48:3719th at 6:00 p.m. That will be at the

48:40Patchogue Church and it's for sponsored

48:43by the Friends of the Auburn Public

48:44Library and it's to support the public

48:46library. So, if anybody's interested in

48:49attending that, you can contact either

48:50the Friends of the Auburn Public Library

48:53or the library themselves and you can

48:55get tickets or I'm sure they would

48:56probably allow you possibly to pay the

48:59night of the event, but there will be

49:01refreshments, snacks, and drinks. So,

49:03they would like to get a head count of

49:05people that would be interested in

49:06attending, so they can at least know

49:08what type of hors d'oeuvres and what

49:09types of

49:10>> Can't be here yet. You're too

49:12>> I know, unfortunately. I know

49:14>> [laughter]

49:14>> I'm putting a plug in for the folks at

49:15home, too.

49:16>> Yeah.

49:17It's

49:18>> So, do I have a motion to adjourn?

49:20>> Motion to adjourn.

49:21>> Do I have a second?

49:21>> Second.

49:22>> All in favor.

49:23>> Aye.

49:23>> Aye.

49:23>> Excellent.

49:29>> [music]