2026-07-22 - Conservation Commission

00:05[music] All right. Good dem everyone.

00:07This is the July 22nd uh 2026

00:11open meeting of the Auburn Conservation

00:13Commission which is being operated as a

00:15hybrid format under chapter 22 of the

00:17acts of 2022.

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00:41conference room 1.

00:44All supporting materials for tonight's

00:46meeting uh are available on the town's

00:48website that we provide to the

00:50commissioners. The public is encouraged

00:52to follow along um using the posted

00:54agenda. My name is Michael Garland. I'm

00:56chairman of the commission. Before we

00:58begin, let me do a roll call of our

01:00members. Uh Megan Langley

01:03>> present.

01:04>> Michelle Kas

01:04>> here.

01:05>> Mark Swammo

01:06>> here. Ricky Risy

01:07>> here.

01:08>> And Marish is out today. And also last

01:10but not least, Matt Bitford

01:12>> here.

01:13>> All right. We don't have any uh public

01:15hearings tonight. We do have other

01:16matters on the agenda, however. But uh

01:19what I'd like to do is I'd like to start

01:21with five Fredell Street. Uh Mr. Koski

01:25is here and um this was um just as way

01:30of background, the applicant um had

01:34obtained in order conditions from us.

01:36Conditions at the site changed and the

01:38applicant is seeking to um to change

01:42those plans. So uh Mr. forasking to come

01:45before sir.

01:46>> Thank you. I I believe you can hear me

01:48from way also.

01:49>> Yeah, that's fine.

01:50>> Thank you again. The so yes the

01:53applicant reduced this

01:55the large addition which was on the

01:57house originally. If you have run around

02:00up here if you didn't see the original

02:02addition

02:05people didn't see it. So there there was

02:07the addition and there's the existing

02:09structure 1880 how structured torn and

02:13so the entire the addition which was

02:171479 has been removed from the project.

02:20They they ended up going with just the

02:23existing structure and put a a little

02:26porch on the front. The total garage

02:29that's in the back that was um initially

02:33they had we weren't going to keep it. So

02:35they're taking that out. Uh they're

02:37going to half of it restored, they

02:39restored everything. So I got there and

02:40they when they had demolished the the

02:42garage itself, uh the uh the problem

02:46with that I had with them was they left

02:48the floor in in the uh just a foot and a

02:50half footing. This is old time stuff, so

02:52there's no frost wall. So I had them

02:55come in. We ended up taking out all the

02:58concrete floor and the concrete

03:03footing. And now that's and that's all

03:05gravel in there. That's pvious. So

03:07that's a new imper new pvious where the

03:11proposed structure was that was

03:12permitted 1479 that's gone and that's u

03:17and there's a net increase of pvious on

03:20the property which was our original

03:24letter and I had wasn't here for two

03:26meetings and I I heard there was a

03:28problem clearly with that. So we we now

03:31have 549.5

03:34square ft reduction in impervious on the

03:36site. There was a a request to eliminate

03:39the Caltech unit. Uh there was some

03:42issues with that. We never had any

03:43problem. We didn't there's no evidence

03:45of problems around the structure as it

03:47is this original 1800. But we did add a

03:51diaphragm diaphragm and I that might be

03:53Zach Bless online. I did ask him to come

03:56in and explain his hydraologic

03:59calculations

04:01because just my explanation that we

04:03reduced it and we were hoping not to

04:05have to put any contact unit in. Instead

04:07the diaphragm which is a twoft

04:10crush stone bed outside of the structure

04:14uh drip strips sometimes they call those

04:16but that would take the roof run off and

04:19additionally put that back in the

04:21ground. This is an inkly soil in here.

04:23It's a glacial outwash soil. So it's a

04:26coarse the SCS or NRCS mapping is not

04:30accurate in this case. It is around us

04:32that the brook is there to that

04:34perennial stream but this is a glacial

04:36anash knob is what we have there. We've

04:39dug into it. It's of course gravel. And

04:42so what Mr. Glass did was add that

04:45additional

04:46infiltration around the structure which

04:50is shown on your revised plan dated 625

04:55or 4 24.

04:59>> That's the original date. Here we go

05:00with the revision 71226.

05:04Adjust infilotration measures. That

05:06would be here if you

05:07>> Right.

05:09>> Glenn, when was the last time you were

05:10out to the site? uh

05:16two weeks maybe.

05:17>> Okay. When we were there probably a

05:19month ago, maybe I think in June and um

05:23there are

05:26on the slope towards the brook uh there

05:30were a lot of rocks and it was just it

05:32was a very sort of rough condition.

05:33Clearly, it needed to be all that rocky

05:36material had to be removed

05:37>> and it was

05:38>> um So, what steps has the property owner

05:40made to stabilize that slope?

05:42>> I had him go in there with they had a

05:44mini in here. We went in there and we

05:46took that rock up against the sill fence

05:47out. We replaced the silt fence. It's

05:50now nothing had gone past it, but it was

05:53down on the ground in in one area small,

05:56not the whole thing in an area. And so

05:58that material was removed with the mini

06:01uh pulled back and uh Did you see it?

06:04>> Yeah. Yeah, I did. Oh, yeah. I saw that.

06:06I'm the one that told him to do it

06:07before. He might be I never heard it

06:09from you guys. I goes, "What are you

06:10doing?"

06:11>> You know, fix it. Get it done.

06:12>> Right.

06:13>> So, no, I was on that right away. It was

06:15fixed few days. [clears throat]

06:16>> Okay.

06:17>> It was definitely after you had looked

06:18at it. I had heard something from a

06:20member that there was some question

06:22about silence not being up around, but

06:24but that was even after I had told him

06:26to fix this problem. As soon as I see a

06:28problem like that, it's automatic to the

06:31last thing I need is more problems.

06:33>> Sure.

06:33>> And never mind my clients. It's just me

06:35cuz I'm dealing with these problems.

06:38>> Whatever case it is,

06:39>> I I'm I'm on those immediately. And the

06:42other thing was they had pulled up the

06:44reason another reason I was there. They

06:45had saved an aelia for me, a pixster

06:48flower, which a native pink aelia that

06:50was up near the house. So that that went

06:51back to my house because it's native.

06:53It's a relative of clammy aelia, which

06:56is the white. This is the pink one. A

06:58little bit more upland

07:00that way.

07:00>> So that's all I I was there for that and

07:03um didn't keep an eye on them and

07:05unfortunately I didn't see it right

07:07away, but I did see the problem with the

07:09concrete and and I I asked them what you

07:12do with the floor. The floor that was

07:14then removed. The floor came out. I was

07:16there when they were loading it into a a

07:18truck that went to a concrete place up

07:20in Brookfield. Um

07:22>> I don't have any any other questions.

07:24Any questions from the board?

07:25>> Yes.

07:26So when he

07:29[clears throat] removed the the rock it

07:32cuz it wasn't just that rock like it

07:34seemed like that whole area behind the

07:37house

07:37>> to the back left.

07:38>> Yeah. To the back left

07:40>> like needed to be kind of like planned

07:42out like cuz it didn't seem like it very

07:44much would grow there.

07:46>> Oh, we we loomed it since then. We

07:47brought in a a triacal load of loom. So

07:50that rock was baloney. I mean we weren't

07:52finished. They weren't done. They

07:53clearly weren't done. The concrete went,

07:55the actual soil went away. It was too

07:58mounded up. I said, "This is going to be

08:00even if it's somebody's backyard at some

08:01point." No, there was actually a dome to

08:03it. The dome's gone. The concrete's

08:06gone. Uh we brought in loom. I I believe

08:10it was only I 20 yards for that that

08:13portion just there because I was there.

08:15That's um Jody Copek. That's a guy with

08:19a Jod name. But anyways, um he's one of

08:22the contracts though from Brookfields

08:23and I work with them. They they've got

08:25this in East Brookfield at uh Escape

08:27Estates. You might have worked with

08:29Cormier is whatever out of Sturbage. So

08:31it's it's at that at their pit up just

08:34north of Sturbage. They have a whole

08:36subdivision up there with nice organic

08:38material. It's good-looking material.

08:41It's not scabby loomy material.

08:43Scabloom, which is sometimes often with

08:45a lot more uh mineral in it. This is a

08:47rich loom. I made sure of that too

08:50because bringing stuff to my sites which

08:53is

08:54>> mostly mineral.

08:55>> Yeah. Yeah. So it should stabilize.

08:58>> It's stable now. And now um I'll be

09:01checking it again, but it's going to be

09:03the last thing that was just in the in

09:04the loom. There was some nuggets, but

09:07I'm it's going to be seated

09:09>> um if it hasn't already. But the point

09:11is the rocks come out. I'm I'm not

09:12overseeing the whole as long as my

09:14erosion control barrier is in and my

09:16purus is is correct which wasn't.

09:20>> Now it is.

09:21>> But what I'm saying is cuz that

09:26>> needs to be stabilized cuz it like that

09:29>> slope down to Yeah. See

09:32>> the top of the knob has been removed and

09:34now it's level with the back yard as

09:37you're walking through the back. It's

09:39level straight out and then it tapers

09:41off. put the erosion controls in until

09:43all grass is growing. They're not going

09:45to ask for compliance until that thing

09:47clearly is three mos and then we also

09:49removed the the oriental bittersweet on

09:52the other side. I had him go in with the

09:53mini. I was there. I chainsawed off the

09:56good size oriental. I chained off then

09:59we [clears throat] removed the root

10:00systems and all. That was at the very

10:03>> huh you hope you did,

10:04>> right? Some of it.

10:05>> Well, we remove 80% of it and normally

10:08the commission in most of my cases

10:10there's a couple year. I just had an

10:12inspection with the town of Sturbage.

10:13It's a couple years to follow it up, but

10:15sure. We remove it and then oriental

10:18bittersweet. It's up to seven years with

10:19the with the seed in the ground.

10:20>> Oh, right. No, I know.

10:21>> Oh, no. It's a pain. It's a pain in the

10:23neck.

10:23>> Yeah, it really is.

10:24>> Yeah.

10:25>> Glossy buffalo on to all of them. I'm

10:27working on a gardener with Japanese

10:29snapping 4,000 square feet of the town

10:32for Walesville. He got all kinds of

10:34exotic stuff.

10:36So, is he waiting for us to see that to

10:39say yes on that or?

10:40>> No, he was waiting. This question

10:42originally the question kind of came up

10:44because there was a change in the plan

10:46and I read it's in the email that went

10:49on. Let's see it would be the uh June

10:51police attack revised plan. I believe

10:53it's the June 1st email to you and I

10:57said yes it it could be approved if you

10:59choose to vote under an amendment or

11:01under insignificant project change with

11:03an asbuilt

11:05>> which will reflect the final product at

11:07the end of the project.

11:09>> So it's a it's a major reduction in not

11:11having that bigger addition which is

11:13bigger than the existing house.

11:14>> So we wouldn't come back in front of you

11:16until

11:18>> until everything stabilized there.

11:20>> Right. But but the big question was do

11:22you want an amendment or are you going

11:24to take this as an asbuilt that that's

11:26why we originally came in discuss that?

11:28>> Yeah.

11:29>> Okay. So you'll let us know.

11:30>> Yeah. Absolutely.

11:31>> Yeah. And then and then if there it is

11:32whatever we'll notify the absor come

11:35back in give you the same plan and then

11:38we um so the but so that becomes it and

11:41then then we do it that record it and

11:43then it becomes uh what what we have to

11:44do.

11:45>> Okay.

11:46>> I appreciate your time on that.

11:47>> Thank you. Sorry for my uh informal

11:50look.

11:51>> It was a little rough out there in

11:53Abington.

11:54>> Yeah, the rain,

11:56>> but we got it done.

11:57>> 6 and 1/2 hours done. We'll just have to

12:01plant it out.

12:04Uh, somebody switch yours and stuff. I

12:06think this was mine on the

12:09>> uh That's it.

12:10>> Chris,

12:10>> thank you.

12:12>> Thank you. Good day.

12:25So, uh, I received a call. Actually, I

12:28got a text from

12:30uh a friend of mine who lives on Marian

12:33Avenue yesterday and he was talking

12:36about uh certain conditions on Marriott

12:40and then he contacted me again this

12:42morning, sent me some pictures which got

12:45my attention and so I went out there uh

12:47at about 8:00 and I took the pictures

12:49that I sent to you this uh later that uh

12:52this morning. So, um, apparently, and

12:57just by way of background, uh, the

13:00commission had granted, uh, the

13:02Department of Public Works basically a

13:04blanket order of conditions. Originally,

13:07that was granted in back in 2008, and

13:10then we've extended it, um, a few times.

13:15And apparently and looking at the email

13:17that uh that that sent to me um it looks

13:20like they actually came before us again

13:22and I think it was in February seeking

13:25another extension which I think we

13:28granted.

13:29>> Yeah, it was it was the meeting of

13:31December 11th, 2024 you guys. Um

13:34>> was it 2024? Cuz mine said 121126.

13:37So it's a meeting that hasn't happened

13:39yet.

13:40>> So was I made a typo.

13:42>> Was it 12 1124?

13:43>> It was 12124. Okay. And and you're

13:47saying that we granted

13:48>> Yeah, I I watched the that video of that

13:50section this morning and

13:51>> apparently we never issued the

13:53extension.

13:53>> I couldn't find any paperwork. I talked

13:55to people for DBW. They couldn't find

13:58anything. I looked on the registry eats.

14:00>> All right. Well, that's fine. I mean,

14:01and I believe if we grant the extension,

14:03then we granted it. Um the the problem I

14:06have and um and I I think it's a

14:10substantial problem is that you know

14:12when we issue we basically told the town

14:15as long as you comply with the

14:17provisions and the order of conditions

14:19for your your town projects you don't

14:20have to come before us. So, um, and

14:24again, as I mentioned, um, in my email,

14:27uh, the director of DPW,

14:30uh, until about, I don't know how long

14:32Bill Coil has been gone, maybe four or

14:33five years, but, uh, we never had any

14:36issues or problems. Um, as if any of

14:39you, uh, takes Saw Street, that whole

14:41street, they're doing ma a massive uh,

14:43so reconstruction.

14:45Um, and and and I actually, that's the

14:48way I come home from my office. and um

14:52and they there were no erosion control

14:55measures ever put in place until today.

14:58Uh they're supposed to post the D file

15:00number which they didn't do. Um

15:03and so

15:05the feeling that I have and then if you

15:07looked at the pictures you saw the

15:09amount of of sediment that have washed

15:12down on Harbor A and on Marian Avenue.

15:16So which which I think if a rush control

15:19measures have been put in place

15:20originally would have been prevented. So

15:23I have a bone to pick with the DPW

15:26because it's it's pretty clear based on

15:27what I saw that they did have not

15:29complied with the order conditions that

15:31we granted to them. And then uh as I was

15:35on Church Street uh before this meeting

15:38it appears they replacing sidewalks and

15:40it's the same thing. There are a number

15:42of catch basins. There's a a perennial

15:44stream uh near the bottom of Church and

15:47and Route 12.

15:49No straw waddles, nothing nothing um put

15:52in place to prevent uh any potential uh

15:56material from getting into the stream.

15:58So um

16:02I have one of two thoughts about this.

16:05Um my well maybe more than that. I don't

16:08know if abortion control measures were

16:10not put in place as a cost-saving

16:12measure or just um out of ignorance of

16:16what the order conditions says.

16:20Um I have actually um

16:24um we uh Nat and I worked on an

16:26enforcement order. I spoke to um the

16:30contractor who was running the project

16:32who said in effect, "Well, just tell us

16:34where to put in the erosion control

16:36measures and I'll be happy to do it."

16:37It's not my job. It should have been

16:39done at the very beginning of the

16:40project. And I mean, they've been

16:42working on South Street now for what, 3

16:44weeks or probably longer

16:45>> longer than that, I think.

16:47>> And I think the project here is

16:48completion. They actually were doing

16:50asphalt reclamation today. The street is

16:52now down to basically um gravel for

16:55ground. and I imagine they'll be

16:57repaving it in the next few days. But um

17:01so it appears um based on uh my

17:04complaint and I had sent cop uh as I

17:06think you saw I sent copies of um of the

17:09email to uh Darlene and also to Dar

17:13Beckio our our town manager. It appears

17:16that they did go back and they put in

17:18straw waddles. My thought however is

17:21that this is something that they should

17:23have done in the beginning. we shouldn't

17:25have to remind them to do uh things that

17:29are set forth in plain language in the

17:31order of conditions. And um

17:36I mean it comes down to a matter of

17:38trust. So um my thought was is that um

17:44if we revoke the order of conditions

17:46that we gave them, they'll have to file

17:47a notice of intent or at least at a

17:49minimum a request for determination for

17:52any other projects that they have. And

17:56um

18:00I was I just really surprised in all

18:03honesty that um that they didn't follow

18:05the order conditions because again as I

18:07indicated before this had never been an

18:09issue before and I'm just kind of

18:11dumbfounded why they didn't follow the

18:14the order conditions. So, I would be

18:17happy to hear from members of the

18:19commission about uh what you think about

18:21this and what sort of action or course

18:23of action you believe we should take to

18:26prevent this from happening again.

18:29>> Who took over for for

18:31>> Joanna Puit. Joanna has appeared before

18:34the commission. She's been a town

18:35employee for a number of years.

18:37>> So, she understands the rules.

18:39>> She should understand the rules. She's

18:40the director of the DPW.

18:43>> So, yeah, I think that would revoke it.

18:47your thoughts. Totally agree,

18:49>> Megan.

18:51>> Um, I would support that if someone

18:53makes that motion. I also

18:58I mean, so we did we did enter sorry

19:01issue an order uh a

19:04>> an extension.

19:06>> Sorry,

19:06>> that's okay.

19:07>> Uh an enforcement order.

19:08>> It's going to go out. In fact, uh after

19:10we finish our discussion, uh Matt, we'll

19:12pass it around. I'm going to ask you to

19:14sign it.

19:16I mean my other thought is in the

19:19enforcement or like required that they

19:21come in here and discuss it.

19:22>> That's next meeting.

19:24>> Okay. Um with us to make sure that it's

19:27understood. Um

19:31I mean I think that's that's the

19:32minimum. So I mean I would support

19:35>> Okay. I guess we should just think about

19:38how that might affect any future

19:43dealings we have.

19:45>> At least until they understand, you

19:47know, like until she's like and we're

19:49saying contractor like who is the

19:51contractor?

19:52>> It was J Lynch.

19:55>> Like Lynch absolutely knows what they

19:56have to do.

19:57>> Well, they they do. the willingness of

20:00the superintendent to do it when I spoke

20:02to him suggests to me that they did know

20:05they had to do it. So, I mean, I I have

20:08to believe if you if you delegate the

20:10work to um to an outside contractor, but

20:13you're not sort of checking in or

20:15supervising the work, then that's

20:17strikes me as a derelction of duty.

20:19>> That is a direct election of

20:20>> seriously. You know,

20:22>> um

20:23>> I feel the same way. I think it should

20:24have been done right from the

20:26>> it's a it's you know what and it's a

20:27it's a kind of a no-brainer from my

20:29point of view. You know, it's um I mean

20:32the fact that they were able to to put

20:34in straw waddles um you know between

20:37this morning and when I came home from

20:39uh from my office this afternoon tells

20:41me they could have done this at the very

20:43beginning and they should have.

20:45>> Yeah.

20:46>> I have people that won't work 50 feet

20:48away from my water without a permit from

20:51this board.

20:52>> Mhm. Yeah. So, um anyway, that's those

20:56are my thoughts. Uh if someone wants to

20:58make a motion, have at it.

21:04>> I am not confident enough to make that

21:05motion.

21:06>> Yeah, I was going to say I make a motion

21:08that we

21:11um

21:11>> basically revoke the order conditions.

21:14>> Revoke the order of conditions at least

21:16until which time we're confident that

21:19the town is working with us as opposed

21:21to against us. or we're hiring

21:24contractors

21:26um that they completely understand, you

21:30know, that they're supposed to be

21:32protecting or adhering to conservation's

21:38rules

21:38>> and bylaws.

21:40>> Is there a second? A second.

21:42>> Okay. Is there any further discussion?

21:46>> There being none,

21:46>> I'm sorry. I do have some further

21:48discussion just just on that.

21:51Um

21:53I don't know if we need to make that

21:55more pointed. So we're sending the order

21:57of conditions. You said until which time

21:59that they understand. But

22:02>> I think you revoke the order.

22:03>> Okay. Good. Just revoke the order,

22:04>> you know. And then um and which means

22:06that

22:07>> they will have to

22:08>> they'll have to file with us.

22:10>> Okay.

22:10>> You know, and if they say, well, why why

22:12are you doing it? We'll say South

22:14Street. We'll say Church Street,

22:16>> you know. And I mean again, uh it's

22:18we're not I'm my view is that we're not

22:21trying to be punitive here. We're trying

22:23to um to um advise them that this is

22:27something they they asked for. They

22:29agreed to it and they didn't comply with

22:31it. So if you look at it as being like a

22:33contractual relationship, they breached

22:35the contract. Will this and or the um

22:40enforcement order prevent them from

22:43being able to continue with the paving

22:46>> that they're doing?

22:47>> Okay.

22:47>> No, it won't.

22:49>> I have another question though.

22:50>> Go ahead.

22:51>> Say they don't do that. Say they don't

22:53get the proper permits. What?

22:55>> Then we we we will issue enforcement or

22:58we can stop projects.

23:00>> Okay.

23:00>> So, I mean, I think this is uh intended

23:03to send a message. Um, and again, um, I

23:07I do want Joanna Pacquin to appear at

23:10our next meeting on August 12th. I and

23:14I'd like to hear I'd like to hear if

23:16there's an explanation for this. In my

23:18opinion, there isn't. So, uh, and I

23:21could be wrong, you know, but I think

23:23it's pretty clear. I really do. That's

23:27why I'm surprised they didn't do it.

23:30>> Was the um, were they contracted through

23:32the town through the DPW? Obviously,

23:34>> I presume I mean I don't know the

23:36contractual

23:36>> wonder they you know could have been a

23:39miscommunication of shouldn't the DPW

23:42have done that but I know what you're

23:43saying Mike but you know I've been in

23:46>> I don't I don't know you know it seems

23:48to me

23:49>> [clears throat]

23:49>> um

23:52and I I don't know what their process is

23:54but there's nothing preventing them from

23:56handing them a copy of the conditions

23:58and say make sure you comply with this

24:00you know the the blanket owner also

24:02requires them to keep a copy of their

24:03air conditions on site. Do I think they

24:06they have one? I don't. So, you know,

24:10>> I mean, I think they um I think they cut

24:12corners here. Um

24:15so, uh we'll find but hopefully we'll

24:17get a straight answer when we, you know,

24:19at our next meeting. So, there was a

24:21motion. There was a second from Mark.

24:23Are there any further questions or uh

24:25any items of discussion?

24:29>> There being none, all those in favor say

24:31I.

24:31>> I. Opposed. It's a vote. All right.

24:36So, we'll work out what we need to do.

24:38And then with respect to the enforcement

24:40order, um is there a motion tuition

24:43enforcement order to the Department of

24:44Public Works for um South Street?

24:49>> Motion to issue an enforcement order for

24:51the to the Department of Public Works on

24:53South Street.

24:54>> Is there a second?

24:55>> A second.

24:56>> Is there any further discussion?

24:58>> All those in favor say I.

24:59>> I. I.

25:01>> Opposed? It's a vote. All right,

25:02everyone. Thank you.

25:10Um, we have a couple of other things to

25:13do.

25:14>> Sil fences.

25:15>> We Yeah.

25:17So,

25:21I like the idea of a of a silk fence

25:23with chicken wire.

25:25Where is this from like China?

25:28>> This is from Google. I don't know where

25:30it actually comes from. I see that's I'm

25:33thinking no that's probably not from um

25:36you know from you know Massachusetts.

25:38>> Yeah, I have a handful of random erosion

25:41controls in my mind. So I just for

25:44>> I mean I could see a situation where

25:46like a wire reinforced S fence would be

25:49would be called for um on certain sites.

25:52>> Yeah.

25:52>> You know um I mean I think it's again I

25:56think it's a good idea. I think it's

25:58something that we can maybe keep in our

26:00back pocket and depending on

26:02um

26:05on the project that's being proposed.

26:07>> We just order it with the

26:10>> I I think so. And in fact, that probably

26:12requires um us to make this a special

26:15condition. So, why don't we do this? Why

26:17don't we um I will work on on on

26:21language for an additional special

26:23condition and I will circulate it. So

26:25maybe we can take it up our at our

26:26meeting on August 12th if that's great.

26:30>> Okay.

26:31>> Okay. And then

26:33the native plant trust.

26:36>> This is interesting. It is.

26:37>> Yay them.

26:38>> So Hannah reached out to me. Um they

26:41want to do a little survey on a part of

26:44the town property. She was able to

26:45provide me with a map of the property in

26:47hand.

26:47>> Okay.

26:48>> And a location of where

26:51was it some sort of roodendrin is

26:53present. Um I asked her some follow-up

26:55questions like are you planning on

26:56leaving anything behind? How many people

26:58are going to be there?

26:59>> Are they going to take samples or

27:00>> there she said that only only collect

27:03some seeds. Um but they don't plan on

27:05leaving anything behind. Not even

27:07flagging. They were going to go out with

27:08a couple of botists. Um, but essentially

27:11they just wanted permission to do it and

27:13I figured it'd be best to bring it for

27:14you guys. See what you guys

27:16>> had to say.

27:16>> Did they say when they want to do it?

27:18>> Uh, not

27:20no like strict date. I think it was

27:22going to be sometime this season.

27:25>> Okay.

27:25>> Probably before fall.

27:27>> Okay. I mean, as long as they give

27:29someone notice in the town that they're

27:31they're doing this, I don't have a

27:32problem with it.

27:34>> I don't either. But do we need to be

27:36worried about like if you get fall down,

27:38get hurt, get eaten by something, wild

27:40boar?

27:41>> As far as I know, there are no wild

27:42boaring.

27:43>> Okay.

27:44>> No crocodiles.

27:45>> Good. Okay.

27:46>> As far as I know.

27:47>> All right.

27:47>> Um,

27:50>> just wild squirrels.

27:51>> I But I'm not a wildlife biologist.

27:54>> Yeah, I know. But like a lot of moose.

27:56>> I mean, they do lots of field surveys

27:58like this. Like they do a ton of They

28:00must have their own insurance cover.

28:03Okay. I see moose around here. You've

28:05seen moose and no I think

28:09>> I would just think they're accepting a

28:10certain amount of bears.

28:13>> Like if we just say yes but you serve

28:15the rest.

28:16>> I mean I don't think we need them to

28:17sign a waiver of liability. My god, you

28:20know. Yeah. Indemnify us and we get

28:22eaten by a bear.

28:23>> Okay. Well, I appreciate your concern.

28:24>> Just blank it. Blank it.

28:26>> Okay.

28:27>> I've had a I've had a weird week. So,

28:29>> do we do we even need to like do a

28:30motion on this?

28:32Yeah, why not? Let's do a motion.

28:34>> I move to let the

28:38native plant trust people go and look

28:41for the great what is it? Great

28:45rodendron.

28:47>> Rose bay rodend

28:48>> rodendron on the property.

28:51>> As long as they give us notice prior

28:53notice.

28:53>> As long as they get prior notice.

28:55>> Okay. Second.

28:56>> Any discussion? Um, they did say they

28:59would provide us with a report.

29:03>> Sweet.

29:03>> So, excellent.

29:04>> Just as long as that they do that.

29:06>> Okay.

29:07>> Yeah.

29:07>> So, as long as they comply with what

29:09they say, they're going to do in their

29:11email July 8th.

29:13>> Okay. Sweet.

29:14>> Uh, all those in favor say I.

29:16>> I.

29:17>> Opposed. It's a vote. Okay.

29:22>> Moving right along.

29:23>> Moving right along. And then we have um

29:26minutes.

29:30>> I have no changes for the minutes.

29:32>> Did you read them?

29:33>> Yes.

29:33>> Excellent.

29:35>> That means we don't pass.

29:36>> No, it's not true. And I don't want

29:39anyone to have the uh impression that I

29:41don't read the minutes. I do read the

29:43minutes.

29:46>> Oh, I'm sorry. This is I guess this is a

29:49discussion item, but um

29:50>> yes,

29:51>> this just reminded me. Did anybody Did

29:53Triton Storage ever get back to say

29:56anything about

29:59>> I haven't heard anything.

29:59>> I haven't seen any activity there in a

30:01while.

30:02>> Yeah.

30:02>> So, I don't know what is going on there.

30:04>> Is Trident Storage partnering with that

30:08field across the street from Honda?

30:12Are they

30:13>> They're on the corner of Old Common and

30:16uh 20. Yeah, I don't know. But I don't

30:18know if there was like if there was a

30:19trade of soil or something at some

30:22point. I can't remember.

30:24>> I'm not aware of that.

30:25>> Okay. Just curious.

30:28>> Um I think I remember what you're

30:29talking about.

30:29>> It was something about crossing and then

30:31they were sharing to do something about

30:34the area.

30:34>> I remember that.

30:35>> I just didn't know.

30:37>> Uh if there are no changes, is there a

30:39motion uh to accept the meeting minutes

30:41for June 24th? I'm sorry. Why do I have

30:45June 24th? Do we have to delay 8

30:47minutes?

30:49>> Did you delay 8 minutes?

30:50>> I'm not sure I do. Hold on.

30:54>> We actually approved that 8 minutes.

30:56Never mind.

30:56>> I'll fix that.

30:58>> So, this is July.

30:59>> That's July.

31:00>> Okay.

31:00>> Actually, I don't have July. July.

31:02>> This is July 8th.

31:03>> Yeah,

31:04>> I'll make the correction for the date.

31:06>> Thank you.

31:07>> Oh,

31:08>> that is July 8th.

31:11>> Okay. You're trying to

31:12>> What's going on?

31:13>> This is trickery.

31:15>> There's trickery. She's trying to keep

31:16us on our toes.

31:17>> So, this one that says July June 24th,

31:19just

31:22>> that's a correction.

31:23>> Yeah, that is a correction.

31:24>> Yeah.

31:24>> Okay. So, is there a motion to accept

31:27the measure for

31:28>> July

31:28>> July 8th, 2026 as amended?

31:31>> Still moved.

31:32>> Okay. Is there a second?

31:33>> I'll second.

31:34>> Any discussion? All those in favor say

31:36I.

31:37>> I. I.

31:38>> Opposed? It's a vote. And then with

31:42respect to five Fredell Street. So it

31:45seems like Mr. Kvoski, we have we have

31:47two options as presented by Mr.

31:49Gravoski. We either um

31:53have have the applicant and the owner

31:55come in to amend the order of conditions

31:57or we agree to accept the revised plan

32:00as the asbel plan.

32:04So what um is the board's feeling about

32:07that?

32:09I'm okay with agreeing for the asphalts

32:13with the revised plan. Um

32:16>> yeah, I mean,

32:17>> but I think I also would like to go out

32:18there and get photographic proof as

32:20well.

32:21>> Well, absolutely. And and again, as Mr.

32:24Gravas pointed out, um at some point

32:26they'll have once all the work is done,

32:28they'll have to apply to us for a

32:30certificate of compliance. So, but yeah,

32:32I think we can go out there and maybe

32:33give it go in August or maybe September.

32:37Um,

32:41any other thoughts? Any any strong

32:43feeling about having them come in um

32:46with a formal request to amend their air

32:48conditions?

32:49>> Okay.

32:50>> I I think that we need that seated as

32:52soon as possible to stabilize.

32:53>> He said it was

32:54>> He said it wasn't seated.

32:55>> Oh, he said it wasn't.

32:57>> Yeah, he said it was not like That's

32:59what I heard, right?

33:00>> I thought I thought he said it wasated.

33:02I thought he said it may be seated, but

33:05that the the fill was down and that that

33:08was done, but it was not seated.

33:11>> I mean, cuz they've reduced the scope of

33:12the job a lot, too.

33:13>> Well, they did.

33:14>> They'd be building there for a few

33:15months.

33:16>> Yeah. Going to be seated.

33:17>> Going to be more sight work.

33:19>> It's not seated.

33:22What we could do is we could condition

33:25uh accepting the revised plan as the as

33:28bill give a deadline to seed um that

33:32area seed that slope.

33:34>> I think that's a great idea.

33:36>> Uh what's some reasonable time by time

33:38of our next meeting

33:39>> tomorrow?

33:40>> Yeah, I was going to say two weeks.

33:42[laughter]

33:42>> Okay.

33:43>> Yeah, he can make calls tonight. I'm

33:45sure he'll get a lot of people.

33:46>> Oh,

33:47>> what do you Well, what do you think

33:48about a date? I mean, do you want to

33:49make it August 1st? That gives him less

33:51than that gives him a little over a week

33:53to do it.

33:54>> I mean,

33:54>> do you want to extend it to our next

33:56meeting?

33:57>> I'd say extend it to the next meeting.

33:59He should be able to get it seated by

34:01our next meeting.

34:02>> Okay. So, what we can do is we can

34:04actually um So, I guess I'll need a

34:07motion um to that effect.

34:10Michelle,

34:12>> are so are we

34:14>> will condition accepting the revised

34:17plan as the asbel plan provided that the

34:20applicant um actually provide us

34:23evidence that the the slope has been

34:25seated by the time of our next meeting

34:28on August 12th. And that's her motion.

34:31>> Yeah, that's my motion right there.

34:33>> So, is there a second?

34:34>> Second.

34:35>> Is there any discussion?

34:37>> All those in favor say I.

34:38>> I. I

34:40>> to vote. All right.

34:42Um, what's left?

34:45Oh, we need to sign the enforcement.

34:47What we pass around the whole thing or

34:49just the signature page? Um, so

34:53>> I did read your email. I thought you

34:54meant you sent me another one. Thought

34:56you meant I was special. So, [laughter]

35:01>> Sean, you are special. You're special to

35:03every one of us.

35:07Does that require uh joint pig when this

35:09show up at our meeting?

35:12>> Uh what I'd like you to do is to revise

35:15it and have her show up.

35:16>> Okay. The signature page is just a blank

35:18one. I can have you guys sign this and

35:20I'll revise that for me.

35:21>> Let's do that cuz I think we're in town

35:23to an explanation.

35:27>> I missed the last site visit of five for

35:30so I might pay them a visit.

35:32>> Yes, you know where it is.

35:33>> Yeah, I'll take some pictures.

35:36Yeah. Trying to think what

35:38>> we were there was just really um it was

35:40you know the um the slab for the garage

35:42at Baron Loop was just really really

35:44rocky there.

35:45>> Yeah.

35:45>> You know it was kind of

35:46>> should be all cleaned up and graded from

35:48what I'm think

35:48>> that's what he was saying.

35:49>> That's what he's saying.

35:51>> I wonder I wonder did they do the deck

35:52edition when you guys were there?

35:54>> It was a small front deck.

35:56>> Yeah. It wasn't much.

35:57>> No. Yeah.

35:58>> Yeah. I would imagine that the

35:59construction almost done. The whole

36:01project got down to

36:03>> Yeah.

36:03>> A deck. is landscaping at that point.

36:06Yep.

36:09>> Rock.

36:10>> Yeah.

36:13>> That was a small pulpit they had to work

36:15with.

36:16>> Yeah,

36:16>> it really was. Yeah.

36:18>> I wonder if they ran out of money.

36:26>> That's a wet area down there.

36:29>> Really wet.

36:29>> Oh, it is. That's that flood zone, too,

36:31isn't it? Mhm.

36:32>> Is it just one a whole bunch of stuff?

36:34>> Yeah, just the last page.

36:35>> My kids used to play baseball. There's a

36:37field further away. Well, they used to

36:39be,

36:40>> right? A papus and stuff. They let the

36:42little kids play now like te-ball and

36:44stuff.

36:44>> Uhhuh. That was

36:46>> 20 years ago, right?

36:56>> Just one, right?

36:57>> Yeah. Yeah.

37:00Is there any uh new business?

37:03>> I think this is the newest business we

37:05have.

37:06>> Oh, yeah. Um is in that case, is there a

37:09motion to adjurnn?

37:10>> I move to adjourn.

37:12>> Second.

37:14All those in favor say I. I. I.

37:17>> To vote.

37:23>> [music]