2026-09-15 - Fire Station Building Committee

00:05Good evening everyone. This is the town

00:07of Massachusetts

00:09uh fire station building committee

00:10meeting for September 15, 2026 on mute

00:14>> or 2026.

00:17Uh calling the meeting to order.

00:20>> Um first item on the agenda is uh public

00:24comment.

00:26We're tight in here. Nope. I don't see

00:29any public comments. And the second item

00:30is the review of the meeting minutes

00:32from August 11th meeting. Um they're

00:34sent out to everybody. Are there any

00:35questions, comments, concerns on those

00:38meeting minutes?

00:41>> All right, seeing none, I would take a

00:43motion to approve those meeting minutes.

00:46>> I move we approve the meeting minutes

00:47from August 11th, 2026.

00:50>> Second

00:52motion and a second. Um all those in

00:55favor?

00:56>> All opposed?

00:59approved.

01:01>> All right, next items up is the project

01:03updates. So, I guess left field, you're

01:06up first. Awesome. All right. Um, thanks

01:09for everyone. Thanks everyone for coming

01:11to walk the site earlier. I thought that

01:13was very helpful and I'm glad you all

01:15could uh see the progress that we're

01:16very proud of over here on site. Um, as

01:20you can see, lots of progress has

01:21happened the last month. It looks like a

01:23different site than it did in the middle

01:25of August when we first met or when we

01:27last met. Um so just to go over a a

01:32broad um progress update I guess of the

01:35of the site itself. Uh concrete B has

01:38continued to be installed. Uh steel is

01:41expected to be on site on Monday

01:43starting um erection then through the

01:46end of October. So you'll start seeing

01:49even more changes as that happens. Um

01:52the parking canopy, I think you saw the

01:54bases that were over there. That was one

01:56of those ad alternates that uh we were

01:59luckily uh uh able to install on site.

02:03So that's also starting uh as you saw on

02:06site as well. If you turn a couple pages

02:09in your packets, there is a 3we look

02:12ahead. Um, so you can kind of see what

02:14the next month or so will look like a

02:16little more detail that the contractors

02:18will be um, following. This is something

02:21that we have updated every single week

02:23during our job meetings on site um, stag

02:26construction provides this to us and we

02:28review it in detail uh, basically

02:31dayto-day to see and make sure that uh,

02:34we're holding them accountable to the to

02:35the dates they're setting.

02:38Um, yeah. So, MEP um in the walls is is

02:43continuing through the end of the month.

02:45Uh site drainage fields that you saw the

02:47big pit on Route 20 there that they're

02:50starting to do that. Um and all this is

02:52being QA QCD uh throughout the process.

02:55So, we're having um Yankee inspections

02:57on site pretty frequently to to take a

03:00peek at the compaction testing and all

03:02that good stuff prior to install.

03:09It's a quiet call.

03:12Um, next in the packet is the budget uh

03:16to date. This is to spend the date um

03:19including last month's um invoices. So,

03:24this is reflected from 91. So, this

03:26isn't including u the pay

03:30for which is brought to you. Actually,

03:33we should go over it. Uh what's on the

03:35next on the agenda? I'm sorry.

03:37I don't want to jump ahead on you.

03:40>> Oh, change. Okay.

03:42>> Okay. So, so we'll turn the page then.

03:44I'll go back to that in a second.

03:47>> So, as Chief alluded to when we were

03:49walking through the site, um there are a

03:51couple changes that we did review with

03:53the change order subcommittee last week.

03:56Um Joe, myself, Matt, his team, Stephen,

04:01um and Dave, we've all all looked at

04:04these change orders and uh we potential

04:07change orders and we brought them to the

04:08subcommittee last week. First up right

04:11here is PCO number three. This is the

04:14second half of that ledge that was found

04:16early on. Um I think it was back in June

04:18or July. Um originally we had brought

04:20the first half of it to you all after

04:22review and and vetting it. Um and we

04:25wanted a little more time on the second

04:27aspect of all all this ledge. So after

04:30review and uh a little coordination with

04:33Kasagna um we're bringing PCO number

04:36three which is the second amount of

04:38ledge uh to the committee for approval.

04:41Um and that is for $230,430.92.

04:49Um, and this was all checked thoroughly

04:52within the last two months to to make

04:55sure that you and the town is getting

04:57the best number possible.

04:59>> And Connor, this represents the last,

05:01>> correct? Yep.

05:07>> And then next up within the PCOS that

05:10are going forward as part of change

05:13order number two, um, it's quite a ways

05:16into the packet. I apologize that

05:17there's no numbers on the pages, but um

05:20this is for what Chief had alluded to

05:22earlier about the park in the abundant

05:25property against the Dunkin Donuts lot.

05:28So, this mainly um brings the grade down

05:33um mitigates the the water drainage on

05:36both sides of the properties, make sure

05:38that no one's getting more than the

05:40other and more than what we're

05:42accounting for in the underground

05:43drainage on our site as well. Um, it

05:46makes it very comfortable for both

05:47systems to work properly as well as

05:50allowing the public to use the parking

05:52place or the parking uh lot for the park

05:55itself and adding an additional spot in

05:57the in the meantime of that. Um, this

05:59will make a walkway that connects Dunkin

06:01Donuts to the park itself. Um, allowing

06:04fluency between the two lots

06:07uh for the public to use.

06:11And we had the civil engineer of record

06:14uh take a peek at this early on as well

06:16as the next door neighbor over at Dak

06:18Nolan which we had input from him as

06:20well. So both parties are happy with

06:23this and uh think it will benefit the

06:25project and the overall uh feel of the

06:28the space itself.

06:34So

06:38together, yeah, that would that would

06:40make change order number two if approved

06:42by the committee.

06:50And then if if approved here, I'll

06:53continue. If you go to the very last

06:56page, I can show you something.

06:59I put together a contingency log

07:01reflecting our change order one.

07:04Yeah, the very last page. So, just as a

07:07general update of kind of our our

07:10starting contingency and and where we

07:12started right off the bat, um this

07:15consists of our construction

07:16contingency, which we were lucky to keep

07:17at uh 1.2. um as well as the owner's

07:21contingency which would in fact be the

07:23bid savings that we we um were able to

07:27to thankfully have as well as the tariff

07:30allowance which we built into the budget

07:32that we have uh not yet dipped into. So

07:37um that makes that 4.6 number. So

07:40looking down, you can kind of see where

07:44change order one reflects against that

07:46contingency as well as if move forward

07:50with change order number two. You'll see

07:51that reflected as well in the in the

07:54lighter numbers. So you can get a full

07:56picture of kind of what we're looking at

07:59budget-wise that we can we're able to

08:04afford.

08:07Did they make did they make any changes

08:09to PC number two from what we presented?

08:14>> Yes.

08:17>> As well as uh site Yeah. site work. Yep.

08:20Yep.

08:21>> Awesome. And

08:23>> of course the chair con

08:2634,500 number for the change in the

08:29segment.

08:30>> Yep.

08:31Does that reflect the cost? And is there

08:34a savings for not having to build the

08:36retaining wall? Is that is that a

08:38combination of those two things? Is

08:39there a savings from taking was the

08:41retaining wall uh factored into the

08:45initial cost? How does that work?

08:46>> Oh, the initial design the breakout.

08:49>> Yeah, it should. Oh, let me see this

08:50real quick.

08:59Yeah, this is I'm looking at the

09:01breakdown. I'm sorry. I want to be

09:03clear. I won't answer you. Go ahead.

09:19>> So, if you go to

09:23Yeah, that

09:26>> Yeah, go to if you look at the change

09:29order pages, it should be an MRL page.

09:33>> Um, Yep. Yeah. Sorry, it's a small font.

09:36Um, but it does break down. Yeah, it

09:39does break down the

09:42cost there associated with

09:44>> Right. But was there a retaining wall in

09:46the original design?

09:47>> I don't think there was a ret.

09:48>> No, it was braided down. It was going to

09:49be it kind of

09:50>> like agreed like that.

09:51>> Yeah,

09:53>> that

09:56>> it makes the park accessible as well as

09:59Dunkin Donuts from that parking lot

10:00accessible.

10:07Respect

10:09grand.

10:10>> No,

10:10>> it went down. The only the only thing

10:12that's different is the erosion came

10:14down $400 and they had the credit for

10:17the rip for a,000.

10:20>> So So it came Yeah, I think it came

10:21down. You're talking about the site

10:23work, right, Alex?

10:25>> Correct.

10:26>> Yeah. So that Yeah, that did drop

10:28originally was 38. I think it dropped.

10:31>> No, the

10:32>> 36 36 and change. Dropped two grand.

10:35>> The total from this act that we

10:37presented to the subcommittee was 36,000

10:40and change.

10:40>> Yep. This one's 34,000. The difference

10:43is

10:45breakdown. We added a credit for the rip

10:48wrap and then we reduce the erosion

10:51control by $400.

10:53Um, but we didn't touch the grading, the

10:56the concrete. So, I'm assuming that

10:57those are straightforward enough for the

11:00team to review and confirm if that's if

11:02Techon. Correct. And left field looked

11:04at that and said, "Yeah, those units

11:06make sense."

11:07>> Yep. Yep. Obviously, we don't have that

11:08information in front of us to verify,

11:10but um that was one of the things for

11:12the rest of the committee, the

11:14subcommittee want to make sure that the

11:16that the credits for the scope was

11:17reflected. I think that showing the

11:19ripoff credit that we have here.

11:23>> Yeah. Just so everyone has a comfort

11:24comfortability too, Dave is on site

11:26every day too. So it's along especially

11:29I mean like with everything but he'll

11:31he'll have eyes and be um recording and

11:35documenting all this work. So

11:38>> I think the question is have we

11:40accounted for things that were

11:42originally there? are we making sure

11:44we're not getting double charged for

11:46paving

11:48um and items like that in this like so I

11:51just we just need a a statement to the

11:53affirmative from you guys that that

11:56these numbers are

11:57>> y

11:58>> additional excuse me what we had in the

12:00original contract

12:02>> yeah I know on my from my team the civil

12:05engineer and and members of my team have

12:08all reviewed this in detail my comments

12:11and they've been since addressed

12:13Okay.

12:15>> Yeah, this was, as you know, working

12:17public. It didn't start at 30.

12:23>> It didn't start at

12:24>> I guess what I'm saying is because we're

12:26in a public meeting and we're addressing

12:27the entire committee. You need to

12:29restate that publicly that it's been

12:32looked at that you guys are good with.

12:34>> Yes. We're we're comfortable with this

12:35number. Yes.

12:36>> Yes. I want to make that clear. Yep.

12:39>> Yeah. left field and and tecton are both

12:41very comfortable.

12:43>> Sorry about that.

12:47>> And that was the same for the ledge one,

12:49right?

12:50>> As well. Yeah.

12:51>> Yeah. Same testing.

12:52>> Yes.

12:53>> Everything that happened for the first

12:54piece was done on the second.

12:56>> The the le the ledge is is a little

12:58different. There's a little because

12:59that's that's work that's been done. So

13:02that that utilizes utilized actual

13:05surveying of the in place material

13:08comparatively against the the actual

13:10civil cut and grade drawings and and

13:13what was actually exported from the

13:15site. So that's

13:16>> that's documented data. It's sort of

13:19irrefutable and that's why there's 87.

13:22>> Yes.

13:30Heather, did you have any because I was

13:32able to make the sub but you guys come

13:35to a decision on yes no?

13:38>> Yes.

13:40>> Yes.

13:41few questions we had that that

13:56I know we've talked about it

13:59what was going to be happening over

14:00there but I don't know that we've

14:02actually been run through

14:05what the full scope is in the

14:08presentation and stuff. I mean, I guess

14:09we, you know, probably not set up to do

14:11it tonight

14:12>> of

14:13>> this that change over there and what

14:17>> looking for the drama of probably what

14:20it is.

14:20>> Not that not that I'm looking for the

14:22community to approval, but just be nice

14:24to

14:24>> Yeah.

14:25>> understand the I mean, the ledge is the

14:26ledge. I mean, it's underground. Let me

14:27know if you hit something. But um it's

14:30just a

14:36do you um if you have it. Glenn, do you

14:39have your email on that computer?

14:41>> I'm not on Wi-Fi or anything.

14:44>> I was going to say if you were on Wi-Fi,

14:47you could bring it up on that. It's

14:48great.

14:48>> Can Dave print it up? Dave, in your

14:50office? Can you go print that? Yes, sir.

14:54>> Yeah. Let me We're looking for

14:56>> if you can forward it to me just so it's

14:58>> the latest cuz there's a few iterations.

15:00>> Yeah. I'm trying to get the right one.

15:02>> All right.

15:06>> Not the squiggly one.

15:16>> Uh could you

15:18>> can you Does that cast Can we cast to

15:20that wirelessly?

15:23>> No.

15:26It is.

15:29>> It might.

15:30>> Not that one.

15:32>> No, it's not.

15:33>> Oh, it might

15:36show up on the test.

15:39>> Okay. All right.

15:44>> I thought we were I thought we were

15:45green spontaneous.

15:50That's fine.

15:54>> Oh, no.

15:59>> Oh, it doesn't have the network on. So,

16:03>> this Yeah, it's only

16:06>> Yeah. Yeah.

16:07>> It was in a full

16:09>> Yeah. I'm going to set this to date real

16:11quick and we'll print it out so everyone

16:13can see too. Get a bit better

16:15visualization.

16:19Load

16:27it on here.

16:35>> Oh, you're connected to

16:38me. It could just

16:49>> give a thumbs up.

16:51>> Printing.

16:53>> Have you set her?

16:55>> I'm going to put it on a thumb drive

16:56right now. I'm going to give it to Glenn

16:59so he can put it up on the screen.

17:05So it's just called pages from you'll

17:08see it Auburn Duncan.

17:24The last one.

17:34Perfect.

17:36So, if you zoom up Yeah. to the upper

17:38right corner there. Go in.

17:40Hold on.

17:44Sorry.

18:11there.

18:13>> Excuse me. Could you delete?

18:15>> Thank you.

18:21>> Got it.

18:21>> So, this shows Yeah, this shows the

18:23walkway. There were two iterations that

18:24we had brought to the department and the

18:26design team. Um, one

18:30did not include the 1 ft mini retaining

18:33wall on each side of the walkway. Uh,

18:36and made little to no sense. It was more

18:38of like a snake shape going down. Um,

18:41this one's more of a straightforward,

18:44easy accessible, handicap accessible

18:46ramp that will go down to the parking

18:50lot next door as well as the additional

18:53uh parking spot. I think it's the one to

18:54the left all the way to the left. Do you

18:56see? that was added. Yep.

19:00So, before it was it was three regular

19:02and one handicap spot and now we're able

19:05to get four.

19:09>> And this walkway connects.

19:13>> Yeah. Which wasn't achievable in the

19:15original design. So, what this what this

19:17does, but what a majority of the cost is

19:19is is what you saw out there on site

19:21today. It's bringing that grade down

19:23from about eye level closer to uh to the

19:26adjoining grades that Drunk Donuts

19:28property is where good grades are going

19:30to be to the south of the plan.

19:36>> So

19:37we're also you also talked about those

19:39monuments being pushed back, correct?

19:41>> Yep. Yeah. Right. They were but they're

19:44um but so then it's a number of trees

19:47that are gone too as a result, right?

19:51one tree.

19:52>> Yeah, true.

19:58>> Yeah, we're trying our best to remain

20:00and keep whatever's

20:02growth is there there. Um,

20:06and I think the one tree that is getting

20:08pulled, we're going to go to the town

20:10and see if they can reuse it or put it

20:11on the site somewhere else here,

20:14relocate it.

20:30What's that? Is that the bike racks or

20:32something in this corner?

20:34>> What's that?

20:34>> Right here.

20:35>> Yeah,

20:37>> I know that's your transformer which

20:39bothers it. If it's like racks, right?

20:43>> I think so. Yeah.

20:55And I think there were also talks of

20:57adding a couple ballers in the back side

20:59of the transformer, too, so no one in

21:00the parking lot can drive up and over

21:03and hit it.

21:06So,

21:08I think we had an abundance of ballards

21:10on site that we were able to potentially

21:13use. I think there are a couple extras

21:16that we no longer need with the

21:19plantings and stuff that we have.

21:28Any questions?

21:30Questions?

21:41Okay.

21:43>> Yeah. Um, so I guess now we've got the

21:47change order two which has two PCOS in

21:50it. One for 230,430

21:5492 the other for 34,515

21:59for a total of uh 264,945

22:0492.

22:08So, with that out there reviewed here,

22:10um there's any other questions or

22:12comments or whatever, but uh I take a

22:16motion to approve this change order two.

22:21>> I'll make a motion to approve change

22:23order number two.

22:25Okay, there's a motion to approve change

22:27order number two. There's a second.

22:29>> A second.

22:30>> Okay, seconded. Um

22:34and okay, so we got a motion and a

22:36second for approve change order 2 for a

22:37total of 264 264,945

22:41and 92 cents. All those in favor?

22:45>> All those opposed.

22:47Approved.

22:49>> So yeah, if if you look at that last

22:51page of the packet, um our contingency

22:54is now reflected as the light gray

22:59uh number on the last number you see on

23:00that page there. So

23:05we um yep that's including both change

23:08orders

23:09which will be included in the next pay

23:11requisition. So you'll see that

23:13reflected there.

23:28All right. So pay requisition. Oh, I

23:31guess

23:32>> if I go back to the uh project budget

23:34now.

23:34>> Yep.

23:35>> Sheet that you have.

23:37>> I don't see

23:39change order one recognized under that.

23:42>> Let's see.

23:43>> Shouldn't that be in the spent the day?

23:46>> Yeah. Let me see.

23:51>> Yep, you are correct. So instead of

23:54using Yeah. Yep, you're corrected.

23:57So, it should be reflected. Um, I can

24:00certainly send a new one this afternoon.

24:04Um, with the reflected amount shown on

24:07that last page of the packet,

24:10I guess the contingency and then that

24:12will be added in as the spent the date

24:13total.

24:17>> No, no, no, no, no. He's talking total

24:21spent the date of the whole project.

24:26Then if you I don't know probably be

24:28easier if you if you noted you know

24:30change order by change order.

24:32>> Yep. Agreed.

24:33>> Keep them separated. See it.

24:34>> Yep.

24:35>> Absolutely. I can absolutely do that.

24:36Yeah. Different line items.

24:38>> Yep.

24:39>> Perfect. Yeah. That'll make it easy to

24:41follow as well.

24:52>> Yep. So, next month you'll start seeing

24:55them broken out, the ones that have been

24:58approved.

24:58>> Yep.

24:59>> into the budget.

25:08>> All right.

25:09>> Sorry. The stunt column is that approved

25:13requisitions or is that going to exclude

25:15the one that we've got

25:18for today? So, this one

25:21I believe to give you a picture, let me

25:24see. Pull it off my computer real quick.

25:26To give you a picture of what to expect

25:29with uh pay requisition and before I

25:33believe I put it in there for you to

25:36see.

25:37>> Let me just double check. I want to make

25:39sure before I

25:44>> do we want to see just so he's got clear

25:47direction on the contingency side

25:50when we say spent to date it's not going

25:52to necessarily reflect being built to

25:54date we're approving change

25:57my question too is

25:59>> what do we what do we want this column

26:01to be or do we need two columns

26:03>> a actual cash spend column and then a

26:08>> sort approved.

26:16>> Yeah.

26:21Right. Cuz we've incurred

26:24costs that we're going to, you know,

26:26vote on tonight. But, um, I wouldn't

26:30consider that spend yet, right? Well,

26:32for change order two, no, but change

26:33order one was in the last requisition,

26:35so that should that would show up in

26:37this one. But you're right, it probably

26:40make more sense to have a second column.

26:42>> So, to answer your question too, going

26:43back to pay requisition 4, this is not

26:45included uh pay 4 that is going for your

26:49approval tonight.

26:57So just so I understand too. So you're

27:00looking for um what's the concern?

27:02Sorry.

27:03>> I think mostly just that we have clarity

27:05as to what we're looking at in terms of

27:07is this you know when we say spent

27:10today.

27:10>> So this is this is I guess when we

27:12approve a change order we're allocating

27:14that to the budget from one budget area

27:16or the other. We haven't necessarily

27:18spent that money yet until we

27:20>> approve the requisition that includes

27:22that. So I

27:25>> committed

27:27column.

27:28>> Yeah. Or uh or we line it in the change

27:31orders in the contingency

27:34as uh you know like we take the 1.2 just

27:38subtract out the two change orders and

27:40list them as a separate line item under

27:42as part of the budget and then when we

27:45actually spend the money and and

27:48then it's spent then it would be in the

27:49spent column to offset what's in the

27:51budget.

27:52Does that make sense?

27:53>> Yeah. So instead,

27:54>> right, so you're going to split your

27:55contingency line item into change orders

27:58that are pulling pieces out of that

28:00contingency, but it all still adds up to

28:03the bottom total for the budget. Okay.

28:05>> Cuz that's budgeted, right? So like we

28:08just approved a change order that added

28:09to the budget, but we haven't spent that

28:11money. We haven't approved a requisition

28:12for

28:13>> No, we didn't add to the budget,

28:15>> right? We just reallocated.

28:17We sliced out of the uh

28:19>> the contingency budget and and moved it

28:21to change order to

28:23>> Yeah, I I can do a committed column.

28:25That's easy enough.

28:26>> Yeah.

28:26>> Or or just list it as part of the

28:27budget. I don't care.

28:29>> Okay.

28:30>> Cuz then you could offset it in the

28:31spent when it actually gets paid for.

28:34>> So prior to your next meeting, I'll send

28:35a couple versions to the committee or to

28:39whoever and

28:41>> to the chair and then you you make the

28:43decision what makes more sense.

28:44>> Okay. for that presentation.

28:48>> Mostly I just want to make sure that

28:49we're clear on where we are at each step

28:53of that so that we understand what these

28:55columns mean. Right? If we start putting

28:58budgeted change orders into spend, we

29:02could always change order them back out

29:03before we do the work.

29:05>> You know, somebody said, "Hey, we can't

29:07do it that way." Then we might, you

29:09know, have that change. That's not spent

29:11money yet. It's just allocated.

29:14Understood.

29:14>> Yep.

29:18>> And I guess just to put a cap on it, I'm

29:21okay that like requisition for not in

29:24the spent column because we haven't

29:25voted on it yet. Right. So then in the

29:27next iteration of this, we would update

29:29it with what we approved to spend today

29:32in reposition four.

29:33>> Understood. Yeah.

29:35>> Makes sense to me.

29:42makes sense.

29:46>> Any other comments on the uh budget

29:48sheets questions?

29:51>> Okay, you want to move uh to

29:54requisition? Yeah. So, pay requisition

29:57for um

30:01they went through a couple rounds of

30:03review with the designer and left field.

30:07um

30:08>> and was adjusted to reflect that. I do

30:10have the big full page. I don't know if

30:13you have one down there too as well, but

30:14Oh, here I'll pass that down to you.

30:18>> Um signed off on both myself and Steven

30:22from Techon. Um

30:25we feel very suitable for the progress

30:28on site

30:30and uh where we stand right now with

30:33materials and Dave has been looking at

30:36it and checking the certified payroll as

30:38well making sure that uh there's no

30:41stretches and

30:44false narratives on those.

30:47>> So we're just just over one million for

30:49the number one.

30:51Mhm.

30:52>> Yeah. Yeah. It's the bold.

30:54>> Yeah. Yeah.

30:55>> I have a second one if anyone needs

30:59>> um another request in the future. Can

31:02you just put that in the packet like a

31:05>> Do you want the cover sheet?

31:06>> Yeah. We don't need the detail, but

31:09>> it would be good to have

31:10>> like here's the number we're

31:12>> approving. Of course. Yeah, I can do the

31:14cover sheet. Yeah. I wasn't sure cuz I

31:16know some committees want the full thing

31:18and

31:19>> I think we had sent it out uh last month

31:22going out on the packet before

31:25>> Yeah.

31:25>> before the meeting.

31:26>> Yep. Yeah. And peruse it.

31:29>> Yep.

31:30>> You know, on their own and come up with

31:31questions on it. I can absolutely don't

31:32have to

31:33>> waste all the paper and have copies

31:35here. But

31:36>> the cover sheets would be in the

31:37package.

31:37>> Yeah. The copies are more for our

31:39record, too. We hold on to the hard

31:40copies so the town gets a

31:41>> W. Last time I think we we included the

31:43PDF of the

31:45>> Y

31:45>> in the uh package with the agenda as the

31:48meeting minutes.

31:49>> Yeah.

31:49>> Review.

31:52>> Yeah. I think that would be helpful. You

31:54can come to the meeting.

31:56>> If you have big box access too, you can

31:58see on there

32:00>> that's where I just

32:04>> Oh, you didn't?

32:05>> Oh, I did.

32:06>> I I got it, but I didn't sign it too

32:09much personal information. I don't have

32:12time. I don't have time.

32:13>> Tons of information.

32:14>> Yeah,

32:16>> you can get lost in it for hours to go

32:18check out Spanish and everything cuz I

32:19haven't seen.

32:21>> Yeah, Mark, let me know and I can I'll

32:23reach back out to Saga.

32:33>> I didn't feel a lot of energy stuff.

32:36>> Well, I wasn't. I just I was trying to

32:37do it between calls. I'm like, "Oh, too

32:40many questions.

32:41It just sat there and I never found time

32:44to go back to it.

32:46Um,

32:50right.

32:54Um, so I mean Okay.

33:04So, can you give

33:08I can be able to do a brief summary I

33:10guess overall? I mean, is there any uh

33:13big stored material items in here? Is

33:15this probably some steel and everything

33:21>> in this record?

33:22>> Yeah. So, so there's um not too much

33:25store material, a lot of ordered

33:27material. Um

33:29like I know Heather had a question about

33:31the um the plumbing

33:34materials too. They're all on site. Um a

33:37lot of this material is on site as we've

33:39seen like the underground retainage, all

33:41that good stuff.

33:42>> Um so it's all reflected there.

33:44>> If if you if there was stored materials

33:46on this, you would see in the back of

33:47the packet a number of insurance

33:50certificates and things like that and

33:51photo documents to ensure that um that

33:54it was provided. um or we wouldn't or we

33:57wouldn't approve it. Uh predominantly a

34:00lot of the work is in a lot of the

34:01underground site work in in masonry. Um

34:05you know a million dollars a month is

34:07sort of a light burn rate for a project

34:10of this size in the schedule, but that's

34:12because we have limited trades on site

34:14currently doing the work. So once you

34:17see steel arrive um and then you start

34:20to see more of the trades coming in to

34:21do a lot of the finish work and stuff

34:23like that after the walls are up, you'll

34:25start seeing that number um increase

34:27month by month. But um predominantly

34:31right now it's the site guy and the

34:32mason that that are carrying the balance

34:34of the work.

34:37>> Do you know what um what percentage of

34:39the schedule we are right now?

34:43>> Um rough roughly 20 % 15 some 15 or 20%.

34:48So they're they're building light behind

34:50on that but that's that's because that's

34:52going to ramp up as more trades come in

34:54and do more work.

34:55>> So just just rough numbers for the

34:57committee where that's showing by 15%

35:00built through 15% schedule.

35:06>> It says

35:09well the percentage you have to do your

35:11own math.

35:13No, but show the percentage at 15.57%.

35:17>> Pretty close.

35:18>> Yeah,

35:19>> great. Good math.

35:20>> Do that in your head.

35:21>> No,

35:25it's hiding it behind the TV. Nobody can

35:27see it.

35:28>> You should live.

35:32>> Um, any other questions, comments on the

35:35record

35:36from the team?

35:38Okay.

35:39>> All right.

35:39>> So, we have uh requisition number four

35:42in front of us. uh for $1 million

35:451,041

35:48954 and.71

35:5237.

35:54>> So I I will make a motion to approve

35:56requisition number four for a total of

35:591,41,954.37.

36:07I have a second. Um

36:10and okay, so we have a motion and a

36:14second to approve uh requisition number

36:16four. All those in favor?

36:19Those opposed? It's approved.

36:24>> Um okay. Do you have more Connor to

36:28present or is we on to

36:29>> No, I I don't know if Matt has anything

36:31to add. I know I kind of took the brunt

36:32of it.

36:33>> No, you did a great job.

36:34>> Awesome.

36:36guys.

36:36>> Yeah, we're very happy with the with the

36:38progress on site and we are holding the

36:41very uh tight and um accountable for

36:43their schedule. So,

36:45>> and I I will say to their credit,

36:47they've been holding their subs quite

36:49accountable as well. Been a party to a

36:51few of those phone calls and

36:53>> when they get gotten out of line,

36:54they've been straightened out pretty

36:56quickly. So, they've they definitely

36:57have the town's best interest and

37:00they've been a great partner thus far.

37:01>> No, they're I mean, it shows with their

37:03their site as well. and they keep a nice

37:06orderly clean site and stuff. It's nice

37:08to see u you know coming in and out with

37:11a lot of different project sites at

37:12different times and it's good to see

37:13this out here. Helps keep the uh the

37:16attitudes of everybody on site as well

37:18going good for it. So it's nice to see.

37:21>> Um was there other we're not on a tour

37:26for some discussions

37:28we didn't have a item for it. I don't

37:31know if kind of worth bringing that up,

37:32but um

37:36yeah, we can yeah maint maint.

37:45>> Yeah, we'll move this into my OPM

37:47update. Yeah. So, Chief and I would like

37:49to

37:51>> Yeah.

37:54presentation.

38:00>> So, what we have here is showing the

38:02station prior to any of the value

38:05engineering reductions. So this is

38:07showing a bay bay width and map

38:09certainly correct me if I'm wrong. This

38:10is showing a bay width of 24 ft at the

38:13time is what you see here is the jacks

38:17uh our current lifts that we have

38:20>> and you can see how it fits around the

38:22truck. So, just to paint a picture, and

38:26Glen, I don't know if you want to pull

38:27the cut sheet up what those jacks look

38:28like, but if you imagine a pallet jack,

38:31you've got a

38:32>> you got tines essentially, which are

38:34those four um linear bits coming off of

38:36those jacks and then there's sort of a

38:38hydraulic pump assembly and then it it

38:41lifts like a like a jack on your car.

38:43that that lever in those blocks is shown

38:46in the up position, but in order to jack

38:48the vehicle up, you got to be able to

38:50get that jack down and and prime that

38:52that hydraulic line. Um, and in in and

38:56in addition to that, you also have to be

38:58able to maneuver these jacks in and

39:00swing them in to to the vehicle. So, the

39:03original design prior to value

39:05engineering, it all it all fit. It all

39:08just sort of made it in there. It was

39:09sort of purpose-built space for that. Um

39:12during value engineering, one of the

39:13line items that we approved was reducing

39:17about 950 square ft out of the building

39:20to suck everything in um to to reduce

39:23costs by it was in the order that one

39:26line item alone was in the order

39:27magnitude of of above $700,000 in

39:31reduced costs. And one of those

39:33sacrifices that we made was reducing the

39:35mechanic's bay down to about 18 ft wide.

39:39So, we we we sucked it in quite a bit um

39:42in order to reduce cost. This is where a

39:44lot of that square footage um came from.

39:47And and this is what what Glenn has

39:49brought up now is the new plan. The plan

39:52that we have now, the way the building

39:53is laid out, and you can see where those

39:55jacks are uh on the side of the vehicle,

39:57that is an actual um rectangle of the

40:00actual vehicle size. And that handle is

40:03is sort of right up against the wall.

40:05So, it wouldn't give you the room to

40:06sort of swing that down. it it it pump

40:08that hydraulic line to charge it.

40:17So the these are the proposed lifts that

40:19we're looking at. The system is a sizzle

40:22lift style and I'm going to kind of go

40:25through the next ones quick and we can

40:26go back cuz we actually have pictures so

40:28you can see visual of what they look

40:29like. But this is essentially what it is

40:31is it's a trench that goes the length

40:34the the designated length here. I think

40:36it's like almost 43 ft maybe. Off the

40:39top of my head, I think it's 34 in in

40:42the ground and then a cassette. They

40:45call it a cassette. They bring it in,

40:47they crane it in, and they lower it down

40:48into the ground. And it's one whole

40:50solid system.

40:53And these lifts live in lifts are in

40:56that and they move back and forth based

40:58on the vehicle. Um, and it's it's

41:01operated. It has a remote control that

41:02it can operate from it, but it actually

41:04has a pedestal that goes with it. And so

41:07this is proposed showing where it would

41:08be. So the back end would be back here

41:11um on the south side of the the plan and

41:14then the the front ends would be towards

41:16the north side.

41:18And this these lifts allow us to lift

41:21the ladder truck that we have. Currently

41:23we don't have any lifts. Uh currently

41:26the lifts that we have will not lift the

41:28ladder truck unless we had two

41:30additional lifts. um for so we can't

41:33currently we don't lift that ladder

41:35truck.

41:36This is just showing the schematics the

41:38design of the actual system and over it.

41:41So it's not an open trench at all.

41:43Everything's closed. There's metal on

41:44it. It it moves so you don't have the

41:46ability to fall in and when nobody's

41:48using it. It's completely solid across

41:50it. You can use it like any other uh

41:53bay. These are just showing the

41:55different designs

41:57uh showing the depth of what it is. It's

42:00basically you make a form, a little

42:02foundation for it and then it just sits

42:04inside and you'll get a better um

42:07picture of it. This is the pedestal

42:10and then afterwards if you want me to go

42:12back, let me know. So, we actually took

42:13one of our trucks, the Shrewbury DPW has

42:16the system. So, we took the engine down

42:18and we wanted to see does it work? Does

42:20it fit? Our mechanic wanted to make sure

42:22that it fit underneath that it didn't

42:24hit our on spots. We have some special

42:26equipment underneath unlike other

42:28trucks. So, it it fits great. Um, it

42:32worked nice. That's it up in the air.

42:36That's what it looks like from the

42:37front. So, it's kind of a narrow

42:39platform. You can see down below you can

42:41see the the cassette is actually, you

42:44know, covered so you can't fall in

42:45there.

42:47Um, that's the back end of the truck.

42:52It's just up close. One of the scissor

42:54lifts

42:56lifts the truck to about 60 in. So

42:59Shrewsbury was nice enough to give us

43:00some pictures of when they built theirs.

43:03And this is how they built it. They

43:04formed it out. You can see it, the

43:07concrete all around. Um probably put

43:10this in the wrong order, but but here's

43:12the here's the forms for it. It does

43:15have some conduit, a few pieces of

43:17conduit that run to it so that you can

43:19run uh some electrical to it, as well as

43:22there is a drain in the bottom of it

43:24that goes to the oil water separator. Um

43:28Techron has already looked at and how to

43:30how to connect that all in.

43:34That's what it looks like when it's all

43:35done before the cassette goes in.

43:38That's what the cassette looks like. Um

43:41the one Shrewsbury has.

43:45That's it with the truck up. So you can

43:47see you can walk all around it. You

43:49don't see you don't fall in.

43:55That's what it would look like. Um,

43:57that's not Shere's wearing. That's just

43:59off of the uh manufacturer's website,

44:02but that's what it would look like. All

44:04installed with the lifts down in the

44:07ground so that you don't see anything.

44:10So, this is different. It's not a pit

44:12system at all. It's just a trench with a

44:14cassette wall, one unit that goes in.

44:17And if you ever have a problem, you can

44:20always take it out and put a new one in.

44:23Um, and that's just to give you an

44:24example of what they can do.

44:28I know I kind of flew through it fast.

44:30You want to go back to anything? See

44:32anything?

44:32>> Can you go back to like the drawings?

44:34>> Sure.

44:34>> The um the very beginning you had

44:37>> the drawings of the station on these

44:39drawings.

44:39>> The drawings of the station.

44:41>> Okay.

44:41>> So now, how's that going to affect your

44:44trench drain? The

44:45>> trench drain goes away in this in this

44:48bay itself. So the the the unit the the

44:53lift unit has its own internal drainage

44:55system. There's a sump pit in there that

44:57we can connect to the oil water

44:59separator. So we will we will be

45:02eliminating the trench drain from this

45:04and just utilizing that sump pit drain

45:07here. We don't we're not dealing with as

45:08much water volume as we do in the in the

45:10more active bays since this is just a

45:12mechanics bay. So we're we're okay with

45:14that. The unfortunate thing is that the

45:16trench drain the the the bodies are all

45:19sitting here on site.

45:21>> But at least we won't have to install

45:23that in and all the concrete work. It's

45:24a labor intensive install,

45:26>> right? So you'll end up with some credit

45:27for the install of this correct

45:30>> some of the stuff to offset.

45:32>> Yeah.

45:34>> Yeah. The other thing we're we're

45:35looking through right now that the one

45:36thing that we haven't fully resolved is

45:37what we need to do with the radiant

45:39heating area. So what we're we're

45:42calcing out right now to make sure that

45:44we can generate the right amount of heat

45:46based on the current design by just

45:47eliminating that section of tubing or we

45:50may end up just increase uh reducing the

45:52spacing of the the radiant tubing in

45:54this area if we need to increase the

45:56volume. But there would probably be

45:57another credit associated with the

46:00radiant in slab as well. And the other

46:02thing we're looking at is the

46:03electrical. That would be an increase

46:05because we have to change add that in.

46:07Um, and it's between 208 or 440. And

46:11we're looking uh tomorrow, Tecton will

46:14get the electrical requirements for

46:16this. And then they're going to look

46:17through and send it off to their to

46:19CDES, right?

46:20>> Yep. send it to vents. It makes sure

46:22that in this mechanical room that's over

46:24over here that it can actually uh

46:28sustain the electric without having to

46:30take it from somewhere else.

46:39But in your current setup with the four

46:41jacks or if your four six, can one

46:44person do that or do you need multiple

46:46people doing it?

46:47>> In the current setup, one person can do

46:49it. Just takes a little longer. This

46:51this does have a feature where it

46:52actually you program each truck um the

46:55wheel bases in and because of the way

46:57you park you park it all the back wheels

46:59end up on this one spot you it'll know

47:02what truck it is. You just say it's uh

47:04you know engine 3, engine four, whatever

47:06it is it automatically will adjust to

47:08the proper wheel bases for you and it

47:10will make it easier for the mechanic. or

47:13you can manually disable button. But if

47:15you go through and take a little time

47:16and pre-program every truck, it'll save

47:19save them a bunch of time setting up the

47:21jacks.

47:23>> And you have a free walking path around

47:25the entire vehicle instead of four jacks

47:27that you have to

47:28>> work around.

47:30>> Were you planning on adding

47:33>> six tickets to get to six jacks for the

47:35ladder truck or

47:36>> We did not have that.

47:38>> That wasn't

47:39>> that was not enough. And we have the the

47:41four exist already at West Street,

47:43>> right?

47:49>> This might be a dumb question. You check

47:52heights. We have the clearances.

47:54>> We do have that the max. Yep, we do have

47:56the clearance. Yep, we did check that.

48:00>> Yep. I mean, I think, you know, moving

48:03forward, I know like any other committee

48:05members, it's it's unfortunate that we

48:07look at it in those other jacks or whats

48:09do not fit. However, we're moving

48:12forward with a brand new building. And I

48:14I just see this system here. We've done

48:16a lot of research to find a system that

48:18was was good. Wasn't a pit like we we

48:22told you from the beginning, we weren't

48:23going to do a pit. We don't have any

48:24intentions of doing a pit. This system

48:27for the narrowess of the bays works the

48:30best for us. We, you know, we looked at

48:32the post jacks, but the postjack sticks

48:34out. That's always up above. This here

48:36gives us the best benefit for the bay to

48:39be able to utilize it in various ways

48:42without being confined to something. So,

48:45it's a brand new station. Uh, it's set

48:47up for the mechanics bay already with

48:50everything else. All the supporting

48:51spaces are there. I just look at we need

48:54to do something for it. Um that's my

48:57opinion as committee member

49:02>> to the chair to chief to talk about what

49:04costs talking approximately. So

49:08approximate cost the the jacks

49:10themselves uh just over $270,000 for the

49:15jacks. Um there's the additional

49:18formwork um the digging, the electrical.

49:24So we're still trying to get those

49:25prices and for the purposes of the

49:27committee tonight. This is a five to six

49:31month order once we do lower order

49:33something and move forward. And I know

49:35Castana is looking to see which

49:37direction we're going because they have

49:38to move forward and we don't want to

49:39hold the project schedule up. So we'd be

49:43proposing not to exceed 450,000. We

49:46don't think it's going to go above

49:48450,000, but talking with both Castia,

49:51talking with Tecton, talking with left

49:54field, we we don't want to have to come

49:56back to the committee for something. But

50:00that's the number that we're throwing

50:02out tonight is not to exceed $450,000.

50:06I

50:08don't think it will, but we don't have

50:09the hard numbers. So at the same time,

50:12we don't want to hold as a construction

50:13project either.

50:16>> What's your timeline on getting

50:18everything together to make a decision

50:21move forward?

50:23I guess that's we are eating up over

50:27more than I mean that I know it's an

50:29upset number but it's more than 50% of

50:31the total savings VE savings that we

50:35were realizing from shrinking the

50:36building which gets us back to why

50:39wasn't something like this picked up

50:40earlier. shrinking the building's one

50:42thing, but the mechanics pay everybody

50:44kind of knew what it

50:46was the design team. We uh you know the

50:49the trucks are the trucks and you knew

50:51you had to have working space around it.

50:53I don't know how we get down to such a

50:55narrow space than it was. But

50:59um but yeah, no, I would feel more

51:02comfortable having the full numbers

51:03because I don't I mean it's a a big

51:05chunk. Um I don't know. It's not going

51:09to stop the steel. It's not going to

51:10stop, you know, it's going to stop your

51:12slapping grade and everything, but um in

51:15that area, but they're not going to

51:16afford the one.

51:17>> No, they want to do some underground

51:19plumbing work and stuff.

51:21>> Well, it's going to need the

51:22underground, you know, for electrical

51:23and it's going to need underground

51:24plumbing and stuff. Um

51:31I don't know if you know how that

51:32affects the schedule at all.

51:35>> Um I don't know. uh we we would we would

51:38have to ask them how they can either

51:41resequence around it or if it has an

51:43impact. Um

51:48so I don't I don't have an answer to

51:49that, but it certainly it certainly

51:51could. Um

51:52>> I I know Jared and Jeff uh over at

51:54Cagma, they both made it pretty clear

51:56that um the longer we wait, the more

52:01this may uh the cost may go up depending

52:05on the the work that gets done on site

52:07because the more progress they make on

52:10site, the more underground stuff like

52:12Glenn's saying that they that they do

52:14install, um it's just more of a change

52:17down the road.

52:21Well, I would expect

52:24know they also have

52:26>> they don't have to do that area either.

52:28I mean at the end of the building

52:30>> they they only

52:30>> but I get on a schedule set to so

52:33>> it's their drainage probably going out

52:35to the to the uh well water separator

52:38that's biggest the site guys are on the

52:41site right now that group know

52:43eventually

52:49>> the chair the answer the question okay

52:51is this 208 or the 446

52:54>> uh it looks like they can do either

52:56>> so we're we're confirming confirming. We

52:59had the the lift.

53:01>> We don't know where the building

53:02>> we had the lift the lift company in this

53:04morning. We actually were walk the

53:06building. We had them lay it out where

53:08they thought the best place for the

53:10pedestal was and then we just did

53:13discuss the electrical at that time.

53:15They said they can do either one. So,

53:17we're trying to figure out what's best.

53:20That information that takes care of our

53:22our supply voltage. And now we're coming

53:25into the distribution of the panels.

53:27Hey, can those panels handle uh the

53:31additional pay or do we need another

53:33distribution panel off of our main pay

53:36to to handle that?

53:38>> And that's that's some of the

53:39information that we're waiting to get

53:41back from Tecton once we send them.

53:43>> Okay.

53:44>> The uh electrical mix.

53:45>> So we would have that before we come to

53:49make a decision.

53:51I'd hate to make a decision, okay, on on

53:53the tracks and all that and then, oh, by

53:55the way, okay, we're going to put panels

53:56in,

53:56>> right?

53:57>> Well, that part of that that's part of

53:59that 450 number already, right?

54:03>> Or it's outside of it. It's just,

54:08>> but you're then you're pregnant at that

54:11point. Nothing you can do about it. So,

54:13I don't want to, you know, let's

54:15>> Well, I mean, you would need all that

54:16before you would

54:17>> Yeah.

54:19Chief,

54:20>> Miss Chen, um the committee's not able

54:22to take a position on this tonight

54:23anyway because this change order is not

54:26on the agenda. So, you're not able to

54:28take a vote on it tonight anyway. We

54:29wanted to just bring this to your

54:30attention. Um I agree with everything

54:33that the committee has said. Um I would

54:36rather get all of the answers, you know,

54:39to these questions. Um, and I would like

54:42to come up with a with a full price

54:44including the credits that we're going

54:46to get for the things that are not going

54:48to have to be done. So, that's offset.

54:50>> Um, again, we just wanted to bring this

54:51to your attention. We wanted to kind of

54:53kind of prime you with it, but I think

54:56>> when we come back, um, you know, I think

54:58there is a time crunch. I don't think

54:59that time crunch is like imminent in the

55:01next in the next week, you know, or two.

55:04>> But I would like to in the next three

55:05weeks

55:06>> I would like to have, you know, I would

55:07like to be able to present you the full

55:10>> what are the what are the electrical

55:12issues? What are the offsets from from

55:14the things that we're not doing. Um that

55:17way you kind of have the full scope and

55:19we won't have to do an up to price. We

55:21have the

55:21>> Yeah,

55:22>> we have the exact number

55:23>> and that should go through the chambers

55:25meeting when you have all that and we

55:27could have a meeting there and then have

55:28something

55:30>> to present at the next I mean we're

55:32talking four weeks. Is that really

55:35do we have we have four weeks?

55:38>> We'll have to check with you know

55:40tomorrow and and see if you know we need

55:42to

55:43>> I know he was on us boat trying to get

55:45this

55:45>> I'm sure he was because I'm the project

55:48manager too.

55:51I guess

55:51>> right.

55:52>> It's not like they're ready to rebar.

55:54>> Yeah, I I didn't see I didn't see

55:56flooring going in yet there. So, at that

55:58point,

55:59>> we think we got it.

56:00>> Yeah, you got some big variables. I

56:01mean, the electrical is one, the

56:04heating's the other. I mean, we can't if

56:05we have to supplement it other than um

56:09you know, in flooror heating and stuff,

56:10that's going to you know, add other

56:12costs

56:13>> and everything. So good.

56:15>> Yeah. But looking at the drawing, I

56:17don't I feel like we could put radiant

56:20around it.

56:21>> I I don't I don't suspect it's going to

56:24be a big deal.

56:25>> Like there's plenty of room for rad.

56:27>> The one thing they talked about was

56:29narrowing up the radiant in that area to

56:32get more heat out of it. I don't know.

56:34I'm not in that trade, but that that

56:36sounded good.

56:40>> They can't they can't put too close to

56:42each other. So keep

56:45>> Yeah, there's a sign.

56:47>> Sure was a full meeting before it all.

56:48Yeah,

56:49>> through the chair. I guess I guess

56:50whenever you come back with just I would

56:53ask that you come back with this might

56:55be the ideal. Um is there another

56:58alternative? You know, different I don't

57:00know. Is there another alternative out

57:02there? This this looks like the ideal.

57:03Um and I would also present that you

57:06know the lists that were purchased for

57:08the engines aren't that old. Um what

57:12what is your intent for those just so

57:14taxpayers know that you intend to move

57:16them what the DPW they're going to be

57:18used for plows and other other purposes

57:20because there's there's more costs

57:22beyond this and you know I think a

57:24little bit of a pit master we talked we

57:26save for $700,000 to they lost $950T and

57:29now we're really only coming out of this

57:33maybe even at the end of this I don't

57:35know we're not going to expect those but

57:38less than 950 ft

57:41So I guess I'm just asking for full a

57:43full all option presentation when we get

57:45to this before we make a decision. One

57:47one thing we've been it would be nice to

57:49have for the next meeting as well is

57:51that reduction gave us an advantage on

57:55the north side of the site. So what

57:57would be the disadvantage if we had kept

58:00that?

58:02>> You wouldn't have the drive.

58:03>> Yeah, we wouldn't have the access drive.

58:05>> Okay. Yeah, that was the other thing

58:08that triggered the building solved and

58:09keep drive

58:11>> around it. So, I just as part of that

58:15when you think about all the cost

58:16benefit analysis, right? That

58:18>> plans always had those drive around it.

58:20May not have been two two-way, but it

58:21was always a driveway around there.

58:24>> Just coming around the end of the

58:25building.

58:26>> No, it it wouldn't there was no driveway

58:28originally

58:31that came later.

58:37So the point there G if we if it was a

58:40750,000 here 700 plus thousands here

58:43it's that plus

58:44>> cost of the room

58:45>> the cost of the room right

58:50>> through the chair

58:52um just to kind of follow up on what Mr.

58:55Kennedy said and and I

58:59I understand the cut like I understand

59:01the global context like right this this

59:04isn't ideal. So the jacks that were

59:08purchased through ambulance receipts for

59:11the rescue department, you know, that

59:13was for that situation. The plan, as

59:16everybody knows, that's why we weren't

59:17going to do a pit. We were going to

59:19utilize that. Everybody in this room has

59:22been here since the beginning, right? We

59:24didn't know whether or not this project

59:25was even going to fly with the voters,

59:27and you all did a very good job of value

59:30engineering and cutting and trimming and

59:33and trying to get a reasonable number.

59:35We're fortunate, extremely fortunate

59:37that we came in with the number that we

59:39did and we're looking at, you know, 4.2

59:42million, you know, under budget and I'm

59:45certainly not I'm not looking to and I

59:48and I certainly don't expect that the

59:49committee is looking like, oh great, we

59:51got 4.2, let's spend the 4.2. But I'd be

59:55remiss if I didn't say that from the

59:58very beginning, I think everyone around

1:00:01this table has been on the same page in

1:00:04terms of we just have to make sure that

1:00:07we don't make the same mistakes in the

1:00:09past of, you know, not funding something

1:00:12in the interest to save a dollar. You

1:00:15know, it's I equate it to it's the

1:00:17$3,000 decision in 1964 not to upgrade

1:00:20the steel. This is not ideal. This is

1:00:24not we did not expect to be in this

1:00:27situation. I understand the question of

1:00:28the chairman how how this wasn't caught.

1:00:31I'll be honest with this chairman. I

1:00:33asked that question of tacton today,

1:00:35right? And I'm not going to speak from

1:00:38that, but I'll tell you what his answer

1:00:39was when we were in the phase of cutting

1:00:42the building and val value engineering

1:00:43and get to it getting to a square

1:00:45footage that the committee wanted.

1:00:48He was honest and at least said the

1:00:50jacks of the apparat of the fleet bay

1:00:53was not at the top of my list in terms

1:00:55of when I'm trying to get a square

1:00:57footage that the committee looks in in

1:01:00order to put a project before.

1:01:03You know, sorry, but that was his

1:01:06answer. Sorry, but I wasn't thinking

1:01:07about the fleet jacks when we're when

1:01:10we're trying to value engineer and

1:01:11square square building. I think that we

1:01:13should just be fortunate that we got the

1:01:15numbers we did. We have the flexibility.

1:01:17We're certainly not looking to to chew

1:01:19that up, but my guess isn't this isn't

1:01:22going to be the only thing, you know,

1:01:24I'm not I don't think that that myself,

1:01:28I'm certainly not, you know, the changes

1:01:31that I envision that we're going to come

1:01:32to this committee with over the course

1:01:34of this project are going to be these

1:01:36type of unexpected projects that we say

1:01:39we we didn't we didn't know that this

1:01:42was going to happen, right? We're not

1:01:43going to come in and change and say,

1:01:44"Well, we got extra money, so we should

1:01:46upgrade the flooring or we should

1:01:48upgrade this." Right? The change orders,

1:01:50I think, are on those unexpected things.

1:01:52And I guess the point of of this is just

1:01:55to say, I just want the committee to

1:01:57recognize that there there have been a

1:02:00couple of change orders that never came

1:02:02to this committee because I nixed them

1:02:05and I said, "We're not no, I'm not we're

1:02:09not bringing that to the committee." So,

1:02:11that's happening. So, I can assure you

1:02:13that that the change orders that are

1:02:15coming to this table, they are being

1:02:17vetted before they even come to this

1:02:19table or to the change order committee

1:02:21and they're what we perceive to be

1:02:24necessary changes that are going to make

1:02:26the building functional. No one at this

1:02:27table wants to cut the ribbon on this

1:02:29thing, walk away, and they say, "Uh, we

1:02:32we should have done that." And then

1:02:33that's not going to be, you know, so we

1:02:36have the money to do it. I don't I don't

1:02:38want to, you know, we certainly don't

1:02:39want to blow nut money needlessly. you

1:02:41have to have the answers to your

1:02:43questions. We we'll get you those. I'm

1:02:44more comfortable in in a firm price than

1:02:47an upto number. Um, so I'll get you

1:02:49that. But I I I'd just be remiss to say

1:02:52that like it it's easy to say why wasn't

1:02:55this thought of, but also everybody knew

1:02:58what the charge was and we were trying

1:03:00to get to a certain price point. Like we

1:03:02everybody was really focused on trimming

1:03:04square footage at one point and

1:03:06unfortunately this is this is a

1:03:08consequence to that. It's not, in my

1:03:10opinion, a huge consequence, but it's a

1:03:12it's a consequence.

1:03:15>> I guess the one thing that I would say

1:03:18is that I think we're all in agreement

1:03:19that that we need to find a solution for

1:03:22this. The intention is that there's a

1:03:24mechanics bay that could rent the ladder

1:03:26truck. That was I think always the the

1:03:29design here. So, if this is, you know,

1:03:32the best solution, let's get the pricing

1:03:34on it so we can talk about it. If there

1:03:36are alternatives to that, I don't know

1:03:38what they would be, but I think it's

1:03:41worth

1:03:41>> I look at them. I can put some together.

1:03:43>> Yeah, I think it's worth saying, hey,

1:03:45here's all the ones that we rejected.

1:03:47You know, I from my standpoint, you

1:03:50know, price notwithstanding, this is

1:03:52probably the

1:03:54solution we should have gone with at the

1:03:55beginning, but obviously we're trying to

1:03:57um trim some things out and and we add

1:04:00the, you know, the portable lifts. Um,

1:04:03so yeah, I I don't know what the

1:04:04alternatives would be. we should at

1:04:06least be able to go through the list and

1:04:07say, "Yeah, that one was garbage." And,

1:04:09you know, we don't want to build like an

1:04:11overhead crane system or something, you

1:04:13know, ridiculous when there's a, you

1:04:17know, a purpose-built solution here.

1:04:18That's obviously,

1:04:21you know, working for other other

1:04:23places, right? So,

1:04:26but yeah, we need to get the the actual

1:04:29number and and I think some sense of I

1:04:31know that I know that they're going to

1:04:32be like, "Oh, we have to have it

1:04:33yesterday, right?" But like let's get a

1:04:35realistic on the plan of like when do we

1:04:38really have to make this decision before

1:04:40we're starting to impact in meaningful

1:04:43ways like work that we we need to make a

1:04:45decision to do one or the other right

1:04:47like that you know they build a wall put

1:04:49some steel over it they can leave a dirt

1:04:50floor there while they go do all the

1:04:52other stuff for a couple weeks right I

1:04:53mean the 3-week lookout doesn't have

1:04:56anything going on over there anyways so

1:04:59that to me says we have three weeks um

1:05:02which means we could probably squeeze

1:05:05one more week and have that decision at

1:05:07the October meeting

1:05:09or we you know or we have to think about

1:05:12meeting a week earlier. I guess that's a

1:05:16another option too, right?

1:05:19And as we get that information too, I'll

1:05:21be sharing that with the with the chief

1:05:23of subcommittee as well so you can get

1:05:25your eyes on that.

1:05:29Well, I counter too. I think we you need

1:05:31to have a uh we need a potential change

1:05:34order log out there because we have

1:05:38previously we were talking about the um

1:05:41intersection control if we have to

1:05:44upgrade to the glance system or

1:05:45something and want to look at that. You

1:05:48know, that's another big piece of number

1:05:50that's out there.

1:05:51>> As we get numbers, Yep. I can I can put

1:05:53that together. Well, even if we have

1:05:55ballparks on, you know, we had some

1:05:57ballparks on it before and stuff, you

1:06:00know, what could be the impact or

1:06:02something, but I mean, if we're still

1:06:03pursuing that, then we should have it

1:06:05out there as a something that we're

1:06:06still pursuing and need to keep in mind

1:06:09that could be a cost that we're looking

1:06:11at also spending on something else.

1:06:14>> Yep. I'll add that to the bottom of that

1:06:16contingency log that you have there.

1:06:18>> The the burying the cable, for example,

1:06:20should be on that. We should start

1:06:22tracking that and see

1:06:25we may not have a good idea what the

1:06:26number is, but we should be able to at

1:06:28least get a really rough number. Um cuz

1:06:31we're going to have to start weighing

1:06:32some of that future stuff against

1:06:35current when we make these decisions.

1:06:37>> Yes. Prior.

1:06:39>> Yeah.

1:06:40>> Uh through the chair, just an update on

1:06:42the preeemption. Um last week, uh we

1:06:45installed

1:06:46uh two demo units in our vehicles. Um,

1:06:49>> so starting last week, uh, we're testing

1:06:52the state's, uh, preeemption system in

1:06:55our vehicles. So that just occurred last

1:06:56week.

1:07:08All right. Any other comments, questions

1:07:10on that stuff? Um,

1:07:15PCON, do we did you want to do it?

1:07:18You're all set. All set.

1:07:19>> Okay. Um

1:07:22so, uh if there's nothing else, we can

1:07:24move on to the next agenda item, which

1:07:25is another public comment session, which

1:07:28nobody showed up for. So, on to um so

1:07:33right now the projected next meeting is

1:07:34the October 13th. Um that's we'll be

1:07:38back at Leon

1:07:41Park or that time for that one back in

1:07:44our regular digs. Um, so if there's

1:07:47nothing else, I would uh entertain a

1:07:49motion to adjourn.

1:07:50>> 13.

1:07:51>> You want to mentally hold the sixth

1:07:55case because we'd have time.

1:07:57>> Well, except for we have to the the

1:07:59second week works for getting the

1:08:01requisition through to get so

1:08:03>> I I agree with through the chair. I

1:08:06agree with you, Greg. I don't think a

1:08:07week is going to bust the, you know, I

1:08:09think I I think

1:08:11>> I think if we find out, we talked about

1:08:14castagna and we find out something

1:08:15different, we can come back.

1:08:17>> Well, I guess what I'm saying is is we

1:08:19would have time if we found out to

1:08:22potentially meet the week before that.

1:08:25>> We'd have time to get an agenda out and

1:08:26get it all posted, right? So, I think

1:08:28just

1:08:30plan on the 13th, but know that we might

1:08:33need to move it up a week is all I'm

1:08:35suggesting. Yeah, we can have the

1:08:37payback ready for then too as well.

1:08:39>> Or can it can just be a specific meeting

1:08:41just for this?

1:08:42>> Yeah.

1:08:43>> Yep. Absolutely.

1:08:45>> So, uh I would I would be surprised if

1:08:47it if within 3 weeks we're going to be

1:08:49able to get directives to the

1:08:50contractor. The contractor will move to

1:08:53work with all of the subs that are

1:08:54involved in this to get pricing and and

1:08:56have settled prices back over three

1:08:57weeks. I think that's might be it's

1:09:00probably breach.

1:09:01>> Is four weeks realistic?

1:09:03>> Four weeks is realistic. Yeah.

1:09:06So that was three and then we'll have it

1:09:16back.

1:09:18>> Yeah.

1:09:20Um so if there's nothing else I'll make

1:09:23motion

1:09:25second.