2026-08-04 - Housing Authority

00:00Welcome to the Auburn Housing Authority

00:03uh board meeting of August 4th

00:07to order. And is anyone in the audience

00:10recording?

00:12Hearing none. Pledge of

00:13>> Allegiance, please.

00:18I pledge allegiance to the flag of the

00:20United States of America and to the

00:22republic for it stands one nation

00:27indivisibley

00:28and justice for all.

00:32>> Okay. First order is public comment.

00:36Yes.

00:50>> Good evening

00:52and congratulations. I'm thrilled to

00:55finally have a board that may listen to

00:58tenants. I moved to Pathog Village 15

01:01years ago. I applied for both state and

01:04federal. I was off at state and Gret

01:07graciously took it. Six and a half years

01:10ago, I applied for federal and was put

01:13on the waiting list. I get along with my

01:15neighbors. Don't smoke, don't drink or

01:17do drugs. Nor have I ever faced

01:20addiction. I have, however, learned to

01:23advocate for myself, a fact that upsets

01:26Miss Brennan. She has told fellow

01:29tenants she will never put me in

01:31federal. That is breaking the HIPPA law.

01:34She has told me within [clears throat]

01:36the last year, I will never get there.

01:38She has also said it during a televised

01:41meeting. I call that discrimination,

01:43which is also against the law. At

01:46various meetings, I have been called a

01:48liar and a bully.

01:51I have done my homework, talked to many

01:55about my situation, the heads of housing

01:57in Boston, a senator, and other housing

02:00directors. The one common thread is Miss

02:03Vernon is a difficult person. According

02:06to Abraham Mitnik

02:09in Boston, I was number 32 on the list

02:13over two years ago. Last year, housing

02:16had me at 53, but last month I'm now at

02:1959.

02:21Most people move forward, but Miss

02:23Brennan insists on moving me back. The

02:26directors from other towns meet with

02:28tenants when requested because that's

02:31their job. At package, we are not

02:34allowed to speak or meet with Miss

02:36Brennan.

02:38Betty is the housing mouthpiece and

02:40isn't a very nice person to speak with

02:42most of the time. In fact, she is so

02:45hostile some tenants refuse to speak to

02:48her at all. I am asking this board to

02:51look into veteran preference. When

02:54exactly was was it put in place? Why the

02:57need when the state side is already

03:00veterans pre preference? Plus, how did

03:04they decide how long I can legally be

03:07pushed back? I have a ton of respect for

03:10veterans. My grandfathers, my dad,

03:12brothers, sons, a grandson, and I have a

03:15niece who's been in the Air Force for

03:17eight years and just reupted again.

03:21um a husband who lived off base in

03:24Germany. But because the marriage didn't

03:26work out, Miss Brennan has kicked me to

03:28the curb. I am including a list of

03:31nonveterans that Lorie feels deserve

03:34federal and how has that been allowed.

03:38Miss Brennan likes to talk about trips,

03:42cookouts, parties, etc. in the past. I

03:46have no idea what she's talking about.

03:48Like I said, I've lived there 15 years

03:50and I haven't seen it. Over this time,

03:53we have lost our garden area, TV in the

03:56community room, open door access to said

03:59comm community room, no longer allowed

04:03kitchen use, emergency pools and

04:05apartments, removal of garbage

04:08disposals, doors on trash rooms are

04:12gone, which now allows flies and rodents

04:15access. We have many rules, but they're

04:18not the same for everyone. One of my

04:21doors has no guts in the lock area. And

04:25Miss Brennan had anti- duck plates that

04:28are useless. She had them installed

04:30years ago, and I told her then they were

04:33useless because the screws

04:36face out. Anybody can go up and unscrew

04:38those plates.

04:41Um, there's a tenant that can unscrew

04:44the plate, use a credit card, and she's

04:46in under 3 minutes. We just had a

04:49professional come to clean the hallways.

04:51He waxed right over the dirt. Would you

04:54pay for that service in your home? I

04:57know I'm asking for a lot, and change

05:00takes time. Having a few meetings at PB

05:03can be a start. This board needs to hear

05:05from the tenants without fear of

05:07retaliation.

05:09and most of them no longer drive. We may

05:13be older, may have disabilities, but we

05:16are still humans. We deserve

05:18transparency, honesty, empathy, and the

05:22use of common sense. Tenants are afraid

05:25to put in work orders or complain for

05:27the fear of eviction or being blackalled

05:31like me. The state tenant rep should be

05:33speaking up, but she can't know if she's

05:36not allowed to do her job. At the last

05:39meeting I attended, Miss Brennan came up

05:42to me after the camera shut off. She

05:45accused me of saying Ammani only got the

05:48job because she's black. That is a total

05:52baldfaced lie. That is not who I am.

05:55That is not how I think.

05:58It's a miserable vile lie. How low can

06:02she go? I know you probably can't help

06:05me out, but I pray you can make changes

06:08so future and other tenants don't have

06:10to put up with be put through hell and

06:13the hatred from this office. Thank you

06:16for your time. Please note, I will speak

06:18with any of you anytime oneonone if you

06:21need me to. And good luck to all of you.

06:24You have a huge job ahead of you.

06:28>> Thank you.

06:31add this into into the minutes. Thank

06:33you.

06:36Okay. Have approval of the June 2026

06:39minutes.

06:41Make a motion.

06:42>> That's okay. Are there any corrections,

06:44additions, deletions?

06:47Hearing none. All those in favor?

06:49>> I.

06:54>> Okay. Mr. Kane, you are up. So, let me

06:57just say I made this kind of little

06:59cheat sheet for us when we see these

07:03general ledger is um there's a program

07:06number at the top of each of the um

07:09>> sections. And so, this kind of just

07:11gives you I was a little confused. The

07:13program MA159

07:16um is the federal

07:17>> is the federal. Massachusetts also has

07:19an MA159, but this one is the federal

07:22program. So, I texted that off and wrote

07:24federal. Thank you. And this is, like I

07:27said, just a little cheat sheet. It's

07:28just easier when we're looking at the um

07:32>> yeah, so

07:33>> different sections.

07:34>> Sorry to finish off, but um couple

07:35things to note, right? So, three

07:37programs in Auburn, the 400-1 program,

07:40that is a makeup of if the housing

07:42authority has a 200-1 program, 667 for

07:46elderly, and 705 for family. Okay? That

07:49all gets rolled up in the 400-1 program.

07:51And that's a state program. Okay? The

07:53second program that's is also the state

07:55program is the 689 program which is

07:57usually for um through DDS uh which is

08:00for disabilities. Um that program 689-1

08:05and then the MA uh 159 is all the the

08:08federal. Okay, great. Any questions

08:10there?

08:11>> No.

08:12>> Would it help would it would it help on

08:14the treasures report? I've done this in

08:16the past for other ones where in

08:18parentheses next to the 400-1 I put

08:20state

08:21>> 6 a.m. and then on MA I put federal.

08:24Would that help?

08:25>> Yes.

08:26>> Perfect.

08:27>> Okay. Done.

08:32>> What else do you

08:34>> What would you like me to go over? I

08:35mean I I I feel like

08:36>> a bunch of questions for you if you

08:38don't mind.

08:38>> Can I dive into just the treasurer stuff

08:40and what's really important for

08:42everything? They will they will ask

08:43questions.

08:44>> So the biggest thing for the board that

08:45I just want to make sure we we go over

08:47right is obviously the treasurer's

08:49report gives you a nice highlight of

08:50where all the cash positions are. Okay,

08:52the cash positions are the book

08:54accounting book balances right that

08:57means if every single outstanding check

08:59clears that would be the cash balance on

09:02that account. Okay.

09:03>> So are you working on a cash or acrual

09:05basis?

09:06>> Cruel basis. Right. So that's why it's

09:08the book balance meaning meaning you

09:10know if someone goes and says hey let me

09:12go look at Webster 5 right now why

09:14doesn't it match the treasury report

09:15well there's probably you know 20

09:17outstanding checks

09:19>> that if they cleared and that's the

09:20balance okay any questions there on the

09:22on the

09:23>> the book balances of there okay the

09:26second section is really the uh tenants

09:28accounts receivable right so it

09:30highlights what was our rent role which

09:32is obviously the rent charged up to all

09:34the tenants by program Okay. Then

09:37obviously what's the receivable balance?

09:39What's the actual receivable balance

09:40across all the programs for all tenants?

09:43Any um how many units that were

09:45occupied? How many vacancies um for both

09:48programs?

09:50>> Okay, any questions there?

09:53Last section, which is really not um you

09:55know, on a scale to 1 to 10, it's it's a

09:57level one. Um the modernization, which

10:00is the state modernization uh program.

10:02Okay, that is when all all the state

10:04comes in and says, "Hey, we're going to

10:06have new roofs for Auburn Housing

10:08Authority and we're going to create a

10:09what's called the MOD project and Lori

10:11gets money in to then pay the vendors

10:14out." Okay. So, the the top line, which

10:16you see construction in progress, bills

10:18paid, not reimbursed, that would be

10:20anytime Lori cut a check to a vendor and

10:23we're still waiting for the state to get

10:25the money back. Okay. The vice versa is

10:29the bottom one which is the state paid

10:31us and Lori just has not cut a check to

10:34the actual construction um company

10:36usually and the reason why that amounts

10:38the two well I don't which report on

10:41which treasures report are we looking at

10:42>> May

10:42>> April May so let me go okay April May

10:46you'll see $28,000 there that was just a

10:48timing difference because I think Lori

10:51correct me wrong what was it steel what

10:53was the contractor steel

10:56I don't know there's there's a check for

10:57about $28,000 that Lori cut in um June

11:01June or July for that one. Okay.

11:03>> So,

11:03>> and I don't pay I have to wait till I

11:05get the invoice and all the supporting

11:07document in order to cut a check and

11:10then and then I have to make sure that

11:12the state has deposited the money into

11:16Bank of America before I cut the check.

11:18>> So, I'm we're not paying anything unless

11:21we get the money. And there's

11:24>> so there's sometimes of a a lag,

11:27>> right? And and obviously too is it's

11:29it's always best practice to do that.

11:30Even though I I've had numerous housing

11:32authorities where executive directors

11:34will call me personally and be like,

11:35"Hey, the contractor's hounding me. What

11:36should I do?" And I say, "Have we got

11:39the money?" And if the answer is no, you

11:40can't cut them to check.

11:41>> You can't cut the check. From a also

11:43cash flow uh um standpoint is, well, it

11:46can be cut in a $200,000 check. Well,

11:48granted, Auburn has reserves, but on

11:50smaller housing authorities, they can't

11:51cut $200,000 check when the checking

11:53account balance is 80 grand.

11:54>> Right.

11:55>> Right. So, just something to note.

11:56That's always best practice. Yeah.

11:58>> But we don't pay unless we have the

12:01money in the account to cover the check.

12:04>> Period.

12:04>> Okay.

12:05>> Right.

12:06>> So, the next stuff I hopefully you have

12:08like the little uh overview of the

12:10that's just and I'll I'll go over that,

12:12Kevin. I don't know if you you all have

12:14that, but

12:14>> this one here.

12:15>> Yeah, let's go over those. So this is

12:17this is the monthly expense report by

12:19program. In the top lefthand corner

12:21you'll see each program. Um which one do

12:24you have?

12:25>> You have So you want to do we want to

12:26start with 400-c. I think that's the

12:28most important if everybody can get

12:30there.

12:30>> Yeah.

12:31>> Paula good.

12:32>> I'm looking I've got uh I have what I

12:36brought with me and there's more here.

12:37Sorry. Don't don't treasure. Hang on.

12:41What was it?

12:43>> Said this. You got an extra

12:46>> It's the general ledger.

12:52>> Okay, you can take mine. Take

12:56>> this through the

12:58>> So, it's the 400-c or 400-1 program. C

13:02just means combined or consolidated.

13:05>> 400C program.

13:08>> Thank you. So

13:12the biggest thing as the board right

13:14about the state 400-1 or C program okay

13:18down in the right bottom hand corner we

13:21I do a little estimate of operating

13:23reserve okay for the 400-1 program the

13:28minimum operating reserve that a housing

13:30authority can have is 35%.

13:33Okay. You'll see at the close of the

13:35books in May.

13:36>> I wondered about that.

13:37>> Yeah, I got you. That's why I thought it

13:38was best to just go through this. Right.

13:40So, you'll see our my estimate reserve

13:42is at 68%,

13:44right? 69% at the close of the books of

13:46May. Okay. Which is a really good number

13:49to be at. Um budgeted, I believe we had

13:5157, so we're just above the budgeted

13:54percentage. Um which is obviously a good

13:57thing. But at the same time, you can

13:58also see the bottom box, which is do we

14:01have a surplus or deficit so far

14:03throughout the year for this program.

14:04And as you can see, we have about

14:06$69,000 surplus in that program. Okay.

14:09The second thing most important column I

14:11would say for the board is the second

14:14from the last. Okay, it's the variance

14:17favorable or unfavorable. Okay, and what

14:19that's telling you is on a prata basis

14:23through five months because Auburn's a

14:25calendar year, right?

14:27Are we over or under spent on any

14:30accounts? So, if you look at any of the

14:31columns and you see a negative, uh, you

14:34there's only one, which is the net

14:36metering credits, which is a year-end

14:39adjustment that we have to do from an

14:40accounting standpoint, um, to calculate

14:43how much net metering credits that

14:44Auburn earned for

14:46>> shelter, tenant,

14:48>> the shelter rent,

14:49>> that's that's just revenue. So, one

14:51thing to know for the board, remember in

14:53um anytime shelter rent changes, if

14:56shelter rent goes up, our subsidy goes

14:58down from the state.

14:59>> If shelter rent goes down, our subsidy

15:01goes up. So, I don't really spend too

15:04much time looking on that because as a

15:06board once again is we're going to get

15:08the money from the state whether whether

15:10it's more or less depending on obviously

15:12the rent collected.

15:13>> So, it's a fluid process.

15:15>> Correct.

15:15>> It fluctuates. It fluctuates every every

15:19when we prepare a budget I say what was

15:22the last 12 months rent roll

15:24>> right and then I I put an estimate in

15:26there and then usually at year end if

15:27the state changes some of the asset

15:29stuff on the rent calculations all those

15:32things that affect actually tenants

15:33rents well guess what I'm not going to

15:35be anywhere close to estimate but the

15:37once again is at the end of the day our

15:39overall revenue is going to be the exact

15:41same because once again is if I

15:43overestimated then we're going to get

15:45less subsidy. If I underestimated, we're

15:48going to get more subsidy from the city.

15:50>> Okay.

15:51>> Is there a historical pattern to that at

15:53all?

15:54>> It all depends on the tenants, right?

15:55And that their their actual rent their

15:57their income and obviously what they're

15:59getting charged for the rent, right? So,

16:01obviously, if there's there's other

16:03folks that have higher rent in the

16:06month, then obviously we're going to get

16:07lesser subsidy. But if the majority of

16:09the the tenants are on the low end, then

16:10obviously we're going to get a lot

16:11higher. Like on the state side, we have

16:14some tenants that are paying over $1,000

16:16a month based upon their income,

16:18>> but we also have a tenant paying $5 a

16:21month.

16:23>> Federal is capped, right?

16:24>> And federal is capped at $757, they

16:27don't pay any more than that. The

16:28federal government subsidizes

16:31>> that. But when you look at $5 a month,

16:36>> you need some people that actually

16:38>> are paying a good rent to offset the

16:40people that

16:41>> just don't have the money,

16:42>> right? And then once again is is it

16:44would be like, okay, well, if we have

16:4670% of tenants paying only $5, our

16:49subsidy would be a lot higher, right? So

16:51it's it's tough to differentiate because

16:54if Lori has three people that vacated

16:56and she has three new people coming in,

16:58well, what's their rent?

16:59>> Right. Right. Okay,

17:01>> I don't have any agenda in this

17:03question, but I'm thinking of private

17:05housing. I could see them juggling those

17:08tenants that they don't want lowpaying

17:11tenants. They would want higher paying

17:13tenants,

17:14>> but that doesn't get affected here

17:16because we get subsidized no matter

17:17what.

17:18>> You got it.

17:19>> Yes. No discrimination about people

17:22based on income. Nope.

17:23>> Okay. And then

17:25>> No, that's a very good question. Yes.

17:27Good for people to know that.

17:28>> Yeah. Okay. you want to ask the same

17:30thing. Thank you.

17:30>> Well, I need you to

17:32>> the next section, the next section I I

17:35would say for for the board's eyes too,

17:37right, which is kind of like rent. If

17:39you look at the utility section, just

17:41please remember on the state side,

17:43utilities are 100% reimbured through

17:45subsidy calculation.

17:47>> So, right, so if if utilities are

17:49overspent there, once again, as the

17:50board, I'm not too worried about that

17:53because we're going to get more subsidy,

17:54right? If it's underspent, that's

17:56obviously a great thing. We're saving

17:57taxpayers dollars, right? we're we're

17:59not spending up to the budget, but it's

18:00really the total admin, total

18:02maintenance, and total general. I would

18:04really key in on on what we're over or

18:06under spending on, right, as a board.

18:09Please remember, just something else to

18:10note as well. Let's say if we are under

18:13spent on let's I always pick on admin

18:16other 4190. It's line item 25 under

18:20expenses. Let's say we are over spent on

18:234190. Okay? But we're not. But I'm just

18:25going to say as an example, let's say

18:27we're over spent, but then we are

18:28underspent across travel and some admin

18:32salaries. Just remember uh that is

18:34totally fine, right? But it's also at

18:37the same time is maybe the board you

18:38might want to ask, hey, how come we're

18:40kind of over spent on admin other but

18:42overall if you look at total admin,

18:44we're underspent by 18,855, right?

18:46>> It would be nice to know what admin

18:48other encompasses as well.

18:50>> It's everything under the winch for

18:52EOHLC. That's their dumping ground. Uh

18:55for

18:57ah let's go. It's cable, internet,

19:02um

19:02>> that doesn't fall under the utility.

19:04>> Nope. Nope. Um any kind of meetings,

19:07dues, publications,

19:09um sheriff fees, uh you name it.

19:13Postage, postage, uh

19:16>> copier, copier charges.

19:18>> It's that's what they do. They throw it

19:20in there. The funniest the funniest part

19:22is that on the budget we actually have

19:24to do a detailed description of all the

19:27line items that roll up to admin others.

19:29>> Well, that was going to be another

19:30question. Do these line items all line

19:32up with the actual budget from the

19:34state? So, every

19:35>> Oh, yeah. Yep. So, if you look at the

19:37total budget column, that is the total

19:38budgeted numbers that we obviously the

19:40board approved

19:41>> and each one of these line items is

19:43what's on the state's budget.

19:45>> Yep. You got it. Correct. Correct. Okay.

19:48So why for instance under compensated

19:50absences is if we're working on an

19:52approval basis is there not no uh where

19:55is that included in

19:56>> great question right when you ready

19:58you're going to you're going to chuckle

19:59so we cannot EOHLC does not allow us to

20:04budget for compensated absences

20:07even though at year end we have

20:10>> no at year end year end we do the

20:13approval on all the approved sick time

20:15and vacation time and you'll see a

20:17number there at year end and the

20:19budget's going to be zero and you're

20:20going to see actual expense $5,000.

20:24>> Huh.

20:24>> So, uh,

20:25>> interesting.

20:26>> Yes. Yes. We we actually were on a call

20:28with the OLC a little while ago because

20:30they're revamping their system and that

20:31was one of the questions we said, can we

20:33actually put a budgeted number in there

20:34because one, it affects the operating

20:36reserve.

20:37>> Yeah.

20:37>> And two,

20:38>> two, it um is most likely sometimes it

20:41goes down, right? People leave, right?

20:43People use their stuff and sometimes

20:45most of the time goes up. Um, and we

20:47would like to budget that and I don't

20:49know if they incorporated that or not,

20:51but going to change that.

20:52>> Yeah. But in the in the old system, they

20:53will not allow us to put a number in

20:55there and that's why the the budget

20:56amount zero.

20:57>> And EOHLC is the state.

21:00>> Okay.

21:00>> Yep.

21:01>> Is there anything that you've seen,

21:02Michael, that you think is archaic in

21:05their system that you would like

21:06changed?

21:07>> Um,

21:08>> he needs to get paid. Don't ask

21:10question.

21:10>> Yeah. I'm not going to answer that. But

21:13uh they're working on a whole whole

21:14another new system. So which is good.

21:17>> Any questions remaining on the 400-1

21:19program, state program

21:22>> and again under you know like

21:24maintenance um labor materials and

21:25supply contract cost and then there's a

21:27fuel line item but there's nothing in

21:29the fuel line item. They have vehicles

21:31they have.

21:31>> So just remember that's utility fuel

21:33that would be like propane or like oil.

21:36>> What about under maintenance?

21:37>> It goes under the the slush fund for

21:39that is 4420. You got it. Wow.

21:42>> You got it. You got it.

21:44>> Okay.

21:45>> So, this isn't very transparent at all.

21:51>> Okay.

21:51>> What other questions?

21:53>> Moving on

21:54>> there. Okay. Let's go to the second

21:55program. Right. 68. Go back.

21:57>> Yeah. Go for it.

21:58>> One moment.

22:00>> 400C.

22:02All right. So, I asked that question. I

22:04asked that one.

22:06Oh, the tenant organization monies

22:10is that one. that one.

22:11>> Yeah. 1975.

22:14>> What is that money to do?

22:15>> So, we always budget that in there just

22:18in case there ever is a state tenant

22:20organization that does obviously

22:22organize and would ultimately pull money

22:24from that budget alignment on it.

22:26Obviously, uh

22:27>> or items such as

22:29>> well the tenant organization would have

22:30to organize, right? And then they would

22:32have to present I believe a full full

22:34budget to Lori. Um they have to get I

22:37think recognized by the state or EOHLC.

22:41Uh and then once they formally submit a

22:43budget to Lori and everything on what

22:45the seven or 1975 would be spent on then

22:48Lori would cut them a check the

22:49organization.

22:50>> Okay. And that's the that's the budget

22:52every year no matter what.

22:53>> 197. So it's it's $25 per state unit I

22:57believe.

22:59So that's where it comes up. So the

23:01budget guidelines come out from EOHLC.

23:03They tell us exactly how much the tenant

23:06organization can get paid per state

23:08unit.

23:08>> Absolutely.

23:11>> And we we talked about the collection

23:12loss. That's just tenants, not

23:15>> that's just write off. So that's that is

23:16ultimately a tenant has vacated. There's

23:19zero chance obviously the housing

23:21authority is going to actually get that

23:23money back and we ultimately have to

23:24write that off to get it off the

23:26receivable balance that sits in um uh

23:29the ledger PHA network software. Okay.

23:32Right.

23:32>> Yep.

23:33Extraordinary maintenance, non-

23:34capitalized.

23:36>> Yep. Extraordinary maintenance would be

23:37anything for like tree removals,

23:39apartment turnovers as needed. Equipment

23:41purchase non- capitalized would be like

23:43uh let's say the maintenance team needs

23:45a snowblower. Uh most of the time the

23:47the bulk of it is a like um appliances

23:50for uh apartments. Okay. So most of the

23:53time when we I budget, I usually budget

23:55anywhere from like5 to $6,000 for

23:57appliances as needed for turnovers. And

23:59so do the and what about capitalized is

24:02that that only comes up when there's

24:04some kind of a

24:05>> so that would be something no 7520 and

24:077540 are for capitalized equipment that

24:10would like a truck

24:11>> right zero zero

24:13>> correct we haven't budgeted anything

24:15>> okay because nothing is needed right at

24:18the moment what if you have a

24:19catastrophic failure truck breaks in

24:21nothing in the budget buying the truck

24:24>> we would make sure obviously one if we

24:26have the funds we would buy the truck

24:27and then we would do a budget revision

24:28to show that we bought the trunk.

24:30>> Okay. And where that money comes from?

24:32>> Well, we have Well, we have 69% of

24:34operating. You got it. You got it. You

24:36got it. Yep. So, so just just always

24:38remember as the board as things

24:40dynamically change, uh, Auburn has a

24:43December year end, we have all the way

24:45until October's board meeting to file a

24:49budget revision. So, anything that comes

24:51up out of the ordinary, right? One thing

24:53that we're going to talk about and I

24:54don't I don't think it applies to to

24:56Auburn yet, but um the LNI rates for

24:58maintenance folks went went drastically

25:01up this year and a lot of the smaller

25:03housing authorities I have to do a

25:04budget revision for because their

25:06salaries are went over way over what we

25:08budgeted. Okay. But just know what

25:11usually I do for December around

25:12September time frame. I look at all my

25:14December year ends and say, "Hey, do we

25:16need to get a budget revision?" Work

25:18with the executive director and say yes

25:20or no. And then we obviously would uh

25:22prepare a budget revision if needed to

25:23present to the board.

25:25>> And so um do you have like a

25:28[clears throat] a schedule for

25:30replacement on everything and when

25:32that's going to be coming up?

25:35>> Everything has a life. A refrigerator

25:37has a fiveyear life, right? A stove has

25:40a you know

25:41>> as of right now we're in good shape as

25:43far as our vehicles are concerned. We

25:45have four.

25:46>> Understood. But going forward, is there

25:49a some kind of a schedule for

25:52replacement based on life expectancy of

25:57trucks and

25:59stoves and refrigerators and all of that

26:01stuff? But it's never been done.

26:04>> That's never been done.

26:10>> Only because we've had the money to do

26:13what we needed to do. I mean when it

26:15came

26:15>> well you have money to do what you need

26:17to do except that exterior doors and

26:19windows are falling apart and you know

26:21>> I mean but you see my point so the

26:26scheduling things for replacement

26:29you know it's important right because

26:30then you're looking ahead you're saying

26:32okay I think I'm going to need this at

26:34this point and but that's never been

26:36done

26:40>> but that doesn't mean we can't going

26:42forward Well, absolutely. Um,

26:47but when I see the shape of some, like

26:48you say, some of the exterior doors and

26:50the, you know, window frames, you can

26:52put screwdrivers through the wood and

26:55>> where does that money go?

26:56>> That's my biggest beef right now. I want

26:59>> to see these people have it.

27:02>> No draft windows.

27:04>> Well, there was a weatherization. There

27:06was a weatherization grant that the city

27:08>> they've been we beating that horse to

27:10death

27:10>> put out and we ended up not getting

27:13windows

27:14>> they used it on the electric but that

27:15we're beating that horse to death. We're

27:17talking about going forward

27:20>> how are we um

27:21>> it's in the it's in the five-year plan.

27:24>> It's in the five-year plan.

27:25>> So you do have a plan.

27:29>> There is a fiveyear plan. Oh, good. All

27:31right.

27:31>> I just asked you that. You said no.

27:36Okay.

27:38>> Well, is the fiveyear plan relate to we

27:42just asked about

27:44>> um vehicles and appliances. Now, is are

27:48those in the five year?

27:50>> No, the the five-year plan for like the

27:52capitalization plan is usually just for

27:54obviously building.

27:56>> So, there is a difference.

27:57>> So, so like maintenance equipment is

27:59separate.

28:00>> Okay.

28:01And that is something that

28:05gohead.

28:08>> All right. Anything else on the 400-

28:10>> That were all my questions. Anybody

28:12else?

28:12>> Okay. 689, which is the hopefully the

28:15next one in your packet. Right. Once

28:17again, is a very small program. There's

28:19no minimum or maximum reserve. There's

28:22no subsidy. Okay. And once again, as as

28:25you can see, our reserves at the end of

28:27the last operating period were about

28:29$9,000. We're about around 13 right now

28:32with a small surplus. Once again,

28:34there's no minimum or maximum reserve.

28:35>> There is no

28:36>> no.

28:39>> And as you can see, the total revenue uh

28:41is only $27,000,

28:44>> right?

28:44>> Okay.

28:46>> So that's 400 and that's 689.

28:51>> Last one. Federal MA 159

28:53>> 159 the victims.

28:56>> So just so you know it and I don't I

28:58think HUD created that number. So

28:59anytime you send an email to HUD they're

29:02specific. You have to put NA 159 in

29:04there otherwise they get really mad at

29:06which is fine. I get it.

29:08>> But sometimes I always forget because I

29:09always do Auburn like I do Auburn for

29:11all my houses like Auburn all this and

29:14it's like oh for these ones I always get

29:15to put MA 159. And this looks identical

29:17to you know the one you just

29:20>> it's exactly the same schedule right

29:21it's exactly the same schedule obviously

29:23um the once again is there's no minimum

29:25or maximum reserve um and as you can see

29:28down at the bottom uh our estimated

29:31reserve is a really really healthy one

29:33at almost 1.2 two million.

29:37>> Got it.

29:38>> And can those reserves be used to um do

29:41some of the projects that were deferred

29:43due to the fact that that grant got

29:44eaten up by the electrical panels?

29:46>> No, the two different the electrical

29:48panels is on the state side

29:49>> is on the state side.

29:50>> This is federal money.

29:51>> Federal money. Yep. So that's that's

29:53your federal offer.

29:53>> That's why the federal exterior of the

29:55buildings are a little bit a little bit

29:56better shape than the state. Mhm.

30:00>> So, one thing I I I do know um across

30:03federal and state, the federal does fund

30:06all the programs a lot higher than the

30:08state.

30:08>> Definitely.

30:09>> Okay. Um just in general and that's how

30:11you can just tell by the operating,

30:12right?

30:14>> Yeah.

30:14>> Um so, any questions? But same exact

30:16schedule, right? But obviously utilities

30:18don't get uh you know reimbured through

30:21subsidy, right? Whether rent roll goes

30:23up or down. um those things like the

30:25400-C don't really apply to this

30:27program, right? The the states giving

30:29Rory a operating um amount that she

30:32draws down on a on a monthly basis. Um

30:35and then obviously that that sits under

30:37line item 12 operating subsidy. I know

30:40it says EOHLC, but I use the same

30:42account for whether it's EOHLC or HUD.

30:45Okay,

30:48>> questions there.

30:58And the same thing on uh admin although

31:00there's

31:03a catch up again.

31:04>> Yep. Correct. Correct. At any point in

31:07time obviously the software um we we

31:10house obviously all the vendors and

31:11stuff. So at some point if you ever

31:13needed uh me to pull an Excel file down

31:15and sort or give it to you filter on the

31:18vendors.

31:19And so what about the tenant

31:21organization on that one? Um does is

31:24that just the stipen that gets paid out

31:26of that?

31:26>> I believe so. Right Lori that I don't

31:29>> and the rest of the money just sits

31:31there.

31:31>> Correct.

31:34>> So once there is a tenant organization,

31:37that's another one that they could be

31:39they could be drawing down that setting

31:41up a budget on that as well.

31:44>> That that I don't know on the federal

31:45side. I don't know if the federal needs

31:46to recognize the tenant organization

31:48like the state does.

31:49>> It's different.

31:50>> Sure, it's different, but yes, you could

31:52still draw on that money. Okay.

31:55>> What else, Wendy?

32:01>> While you're looking at that, I just

32:03want to say I don't know if Lori gave

32:04you this schedule. It's hard to read.

32:07>> Ready? Yes.

32:08>> It's It's terrible. I know. All I All

32:10you need to know is that this is just

32:12our mod schedule which is showing all

32:15the expenses paid on mod versus income

32:17coming in. That's it for the state side.

32:19>> So the modernization costs,

32:21>> correct? You're just going to you're

32:22going to see you're going to see how

32:23much Lori has paid out versus how much

32:25we've taken in on the mod grant side.

32:27That's all. And it's by by each mod

32:29project that's automatically in cap up

32:31track. Okay.

32:33So, and I apologize it's small, but

32:36there's a ton of mod projects open for

32:38Auburn, but once again is obviously we

32:41track them and uh once again the money

32:44comes in, money goes out and obviously I

32:46account for them across all the programs

32:50and then that gets rolled up on the

32:51treasures report where I kind of showed

32:52you what what uh is kind of outstanding

32:54whether the state um owes us or Auburn

32:57money or Lori needs to cut a vendor

32:59check. All right.

33:03What else?

33:04>> I think that's it. That's all the

33:07questions I have. Anybody else? Anyone

33:09else? Any questions?

33:13>> How many of them housing authorities do

33:15you work for?

33:17>> Uh, I do about 28 of them right now.

33:19We'll have about 31 um January.

33:25>> Yeah,

33:26>> you know what you're doing.

33:27>> Yeah, sure does. And they're all they're

33:30all run the same as far as the

33:33accounting piece of it.

33:36>> It's like a standard thing.

33:38>> The the one weird thing is I don't know

33:39if the board knows this, but all the

33:41housing authorities have different year

33:42ends

33:43>> throughout the year.

33:44>> So every quarter I'm doing year end

33:48stuff,

33:49>> right? Where it's not like, hey, I get

33:50barrageed like a tax season. You get

33:52barrageed for only two months.

33:54>> It's every quarter closed on.

33:55>> So they're not July and December. Oh,

33:59they're they're they're March, June,

34:00September, and December.

34:02>> Y

34:05>> what software are you using

34:07>> for

34:09>> all of us

34:09>> for our reports?

34:10>> Yeah.

34:11>> Oh, Excel.

34:12>> Excel.

34:12>> Yeah. And then the housing authority

34:14obviously has um PHA network we use uh

34:18and then Lori has her software as well.

34:21But yeah, so at any point please the

34:23board if you want something changed on

34:25the the month the the quarterly or

34:27monthly reports if you want something

34:29added right

34:30>> just let you know

34:31>> just let me know

34:32>> we'll put it in there

34:34>> and I submitted the uh June

34:38uh

34:39>> great

34:40>> I get that this afternoon

34:41>> great

34:43thank you very much Mr. King for joining

34:46us this evening and answering all of our

34:47questions and taking us through the

34:49paces. I think I I I learned a lot

34:52tonight.

34:52>> Yes. Thank you very much. Please

34:54anytime. Anytime. Um I crap I don't have

34:57a business card on me. Forgot to bring

34:59them. But uh Lori has my contact

35:01information. Betty has my contact

35:03information. Anytime you have any

35:05questions or anything that come up,

35:06please reach out.

35:08>> Thank you. That be great. Thank you so

35:09much. Perfect.

35:13>> All right.

35:15Report up officers. You don't have to

35:17hang around, you know. You want to go?

35:19Sure. You want to go?

35:20>> Sure.

35:21>> Oh, please call.

35:22>> Yeah.

35:23>> Thank you. [laughter] All right.

35:24Appreciate it. Okay. Everybody have a

35:25great night. Nice meeting everybody.

35:28>> I'll talk to you tomorrow.

35:29>> Yes, Lori.

35:31>> Thanks, Mark. Anytime. All right. The

35:33report of officers. Does anybody have

35:34anything they want to

35:40Yes. No. Maybe.

35:44Okay.

35:46All right. So, um the next item is the

35:50bylaw Zoom meeting which was happened on

35:53July 30th and unfortunately I missed it

35:55but

35:57Lori was kind enough to share the um

36:01PowerPoint presentation and the housing

36:03authority bylaw template. Um, and we're

36:07doing that because we haven't been able

36:08to locate the original bylaws. Um, still

36:12looking and so well, you know, it it

36:15actually works out well because they,

36:18you know, things have changed and they

36:19have

36:20>> participation

36:22remotely now. Um, that that has become

36:25part of it. And so this is not a bad

36:27thing. So, um, we need to get at least

36:31two of us together to I I thought with

36:34everybody having this, you could take it

36:36home, read through it, and if there's

36:37anything you'd like to see added or

36:39deleted from, um, from these bylaws. Um,

36:44and this was not the complete one. I I

36:47had sent one that I had kind of changed

36:49and put in the information, but I guess

36:51>> this one, this is the uh that model

36:54bylaws. Is that the one? Let me see.

36:57I I typed in the urban housing authority

36:59and all that in in the one. Yeah. See,

37:01now it's

37:03>> and I want

37:04>> Yeah.

37:05>> I'm going to send it to Donna Brown who

37:07did the workshop

37:09>> just to make sure that there isn't

37:10anything that we're missing.

37:12>> Well, this is the Well, that's why I say

37:15if we could take them back, everybody

37:16take a look at them, see if there's

37:18anything you'd like to add or delete or

37:21um you know, additions and deletions.

37:24And there were considerable changes to

37:27this whole thing,

37:28>> right?

37:28>> And that's why they had this training.

37:30>> Otherwise, they wouldn't be bothering.

37:32All of a sudden, we're getting by a lot

37:34training because it's a deal,

37:36>> right? So, if um two of us could get

37:38together and once you guys have all had

37:41a chance to look at it, maybe at the

37:42next meeting, we come back and then

37:44we'll um have a couple of people just go

37:47over it. We'll we'll give it to the

37:48attorney for review and then we'll bring

37:50it back and adopt it. Sound like a plan?

37:53>> Sounds like a plan.

37:54>> Right. So that takes care of the item

37:56number seven

37:59executive directory report the statement

38:00of accounts June 2026 and that will be

38:04signing the

38:06let's check for okay statement of

38:08accounts for items A and AP for June

38:112026. We were going to do June and July

38:13but Lori informed me that we just got

38:15July. So

38:16>> but July is had a chance to

38:18>> July is in here. You may have got she

38:20may have sent it to you.

38:22I get June,

38:23>> but June is here and July is here.

38:26>> Well, I got July this afternoon.

38:28>> Yeah, it came late.

38:29>> Yeah,

38:30>> he just did it today.

38:31>> So, we'll wait on the July one.

38:34>> Okay.

38:34>> So, till we all have a chance to review

38:36that and we can do the June uh today and

38:40we'll have to sign those.

38:42>> But at least you know July is here,

38:45>> right? So entertain a motion

38:48to sign the check registers. And if

38:52is there a motion?

38:54>> A motion.

38:55>> Second.

38:56>> Second.

38:57>> Uh any further discussion? I didn't have

38:58any questions on um the other thing too

39:03on the

39:06revolving. We did not get the backup

39:08documentation on that. And so I think on

39:12the revolving we're going to have to

39:14push that one off until July uh until

39:16our next meeting September because we

39:19did not have the backup documentation.

39:20All we got

39:21>> you want to hold both of them.

39:23>> All we got was the um Webster 5 print

39:26out and that doesn't really give us any

39:28information.

39:31So we could go

39:35we could do the consolidated

39:39and the development.

39:41>> I see. I don't know why.

39:42>> Well, it's it is the 689-1. So we can do

39:47one, two, three. We'll hold off on the

39:50revolving.

39:51Uh because when I did get the additional

39:54information, Lori, it happened to be

39:56July. I still didn't get the June.

39:59This is July.

40:02>> Okay.

40:03>> So, we'll put that under old business

40:05for next.

40:06>> Yeah.

40:07>> Revolving June 2026.

40:11>> So, do we have we have consolidated

40:15>> consolidated is the state.

40:16>> We have consolidated development and the

40:18689-1.

40:20Those are the three that we can vote on.

40:23>> Yeah, it is in this it is in this

40:25packet,

40:28>> right? But it wasn't

40:29>> it wasn't in that

40:30>> yet. Okay. So, we'll move that one

40:34revolving along until next month

40:37for approval. And right now, we can

40:40approve consolidated development in

40:42689-1.

40:46Take a motion. Make a motion to accept

40:50and approve consolidated development

40:53689-1. Somebody make that motion. Make

40:55that motion. Second.

40:59>> Motion's been made and second. Are there

41:00any questions on any of the um uh checks

41:04or anything um

41:07associated with those reports?

41:11Okay. Hearing none. All those in favor?

41:15>> I.

41:24Did you want us to sign those now?

41:26>> They're right here if you want to sign

41:28them.

41:29>> We're not going to sign is the

41:31We all Yeah. Sorry. 689-1

41:44development

41:54consolidated

41:56question. No,

41:59I'm just trying to um

42:01>> put aside what we're doing next month.

42:03>> You have

42:08>> we'll send them all out again whatever

42:10doesn't get done so that we're

42:15>> so that we're starting here and then

42:18going forward.

42:27And on this one, Lori, I got the July

42:30statement and the June receipts.

42:36>> But on the July statement, are the two

42:40charges related to those two receipts?

42:46>> We'll try that again. the next month.

42:51>> I got to make sure that this stuff gets

42:54done not at the first of the month. We

42:56got a cuz with the people coming in and

42:59the phone it was very distracting and I

43:02think we got all

43:07but we have it all.

43:45While we're signing, did you want to

43:46give us an update on the apartment

43:48availability in the tenant? Sure.

43:52>> Yep. Um, apartment availability. As of

43:55right now, we have one vacant apartment

43:58at Packer Village in the front.

44:01>> What's the front? Federal or state?

44:02>> Federal uh state.

44:04>> We have one in the in the state section.

44:07And then

44:08at Pine Brook Port, we had uh we had one

44:14two-bedroom that was vacant and that was

44:17recorded at the last meeting. That

44:19apartment has gone to a transfer. Uh a

44:23woman her she needs the twobedroom cuz

44:26her son moved out. So she went from a

44:30three down to a two. So she took that

44:33apartment. So now I'm going to have

44:34>> Now you have a threebedroom. Now, I'm

44:36going to have a threebedroom down at

44:37Pine Brook Court available.

44:40So, that'll take a couple weeks for her

44:43to move out and then we have time to

44:46redo it and then get somebody else in.

44:48>> And when that happens, we under the old

44:52business, we have asked to see what is

44:55empty.

44:56>> Yes.

44:57>> And and we can do that.

44:59>> We when?

45:00>> Anytime.

45:01>> Okay. We got to go to the bank and get

45:04We got to We've got things we got to do,

45:06but Kevin hasn't seen You haven't seen

45:08Have you seen?

45:10>> No. No.

45:11>> No.

45:11>> So, let's get Let us know and we'll have

45:14maintenance show you because we do have

45:16some vacant apartments.

45:17>> Let's get a date

45:19>> on the uh

45:20>> and things have been kind of messed up

45:22because maintenance has take a time off.

45:24I think

45:25>> pretty soon they're going to be filled

45:26again,

45:27>> right?

45:27>> And so, we need to get in there now,

45:29>> right?

45:30>> Okay. you let me know because I've never

45:32seen any of the family housing either.

45:34I've seen the um up here, one of these

45:38up here, but

45:42>> so that's all that's all you have is the

45:45>> Oh, and one today. Uh

45:49>> this one,

45:50>> one of the elderly residents actually

45:52moved out.

45:54>> So I have one of

45:55>> out of Stoneville.

45:58And so there's a handicap apartment

46:00available.

46:03>> Well, we got the keys today.

46:05>> First floor.

46:06>> First floor.

46:08>> Daughter would love that.

46:10>> First floor.

46:14So,

46:16>> and it's a disabled,

46:18please.

46:19>> Disable.

46:20>> Disabled.

46:22>> Disabled.

46:23>> Thank you. So, there's actually three

46:26then.

46:27state and package art one threebedroom

46:30in the next three weeks you said and

46:32then the first floor of the stone bill

46:37>> they generally give us a month

46:40>> and I am

46:46>> yes

46:54all All right,

46:59another one here.

47:07Now, Wendy, on the um

47:11>> on these registers, we had voted in the

47:14past after

47:16the um Jeffrey Driscoll came in and did

47:18the training that we weren't going to be

47:20signing these. We actually voted not to

47:23sign them. But now in fact we are going

47:25to sign them.

47:28>> When was the vote taken to not sign

47:30this?

47:30>> Last year

47:32>> it was like two weeks after we seen the

47:34lawyer.

47:35>> Yep.

47:38>> And what was the thinking behind that? I

47:40don't remember. I do remember that

47:41>> he said because it was budgeted and

47:44>> Oh, right. Right. That's right. Yes.

47:46Yes. So that technically we don't have

47:49to

47:50>> but it's and we voted not to based upon

47:53what he said during that training.

47:56>> We still have to be able to see that

47:58>> you're still going to get the copies.

48:00It's just whether you sign it or not.

48:01>> Yeah.

48:02>> But that was the agreement. You're still

48:04going to get the paper.

48:16double checking

48:17>> um

48:17>> through the chair if possible too.

48:22>> Are any none of these units are federal

48:25that are that have availability?

48:27>> There's two

48:28>> two federal and one state.

48:30>> Yep.

48:30>> Okay. I'd like to see the difference

48:33with the door frames with the windows

48:35because we have a a difference in

48:38maintenance with the two.

48:39>> And you have a difference in age.

48:41>> Okay. The ones in the state were built

48:42in the 70s.

48:44>> So Honeybrook court is federal and the

48:48one here is a federal one as well.

48:52>> So this was built in the 80s

48:55and the others were built in the '9s. So

48:58you you're

49:00>> Yep.

49:00>> There's a difference

49:02>> in age,

49:04but you let us know when you want to see

49:05it. And now that we have some vacant,

49:10>> well, we have to wait for the prime

49:12report person to move out, right?

49:17>> I mean, if you went in this week, you

49:18could go in before she actually even

49:20moved in.

49:22>> Oh, okay. To the two bedroom instead of

49:24the three bedroom. Okay.

49:26>> So, this week

49:27>> if you want. Okay.

49:28>> Should we coordinate that? I have

49:30availability on um Friday this week

49:35on Friday.

49:37>> But I mean maintenance can just show it

49:41to you.

49:43>> Yeah. But don't we have to uh coordinate

49:47>> well with maintenance? Will he just pull

49:50up and say, "Hey, maintenance."

49:52>> Just let them know.

49:54>> Just let you know that maintenance.

49:57I can do something Friday if it's early

49:59in the morning.

50:00>> I have nothing Friday. I can

50:02>> I got a wedding. I'll leave you.

50:04>> I could do it Friday morning, but it

50:06would have to be early cuz my

50:07>> Well, they're here at 7.

50:09>> We'll see what time of funeral is.

50:11>> And we'll just let the resident know

50:13that. Oh, by the way, the board wants to

50:14see the unit.

50:16>> Yep.

50:17>> Weddings and funeral.

50:19>> Yeah.

50:26But it's a good time to get a time.

50:35>> That's 10:00 on Friday. So I could pop

50:37in here at

50:38>> 9. Good.

50:40>> Nine times. Good.

50:41>> Say 9:00 Friday morning.

50:43>> 9:00 Friday morning. Be here in the

50:44parking lot

50:47>> or go to I'm not sure.

50:50>> I would go there

50:51>> cuz the maintenance is always all over.

50:54And

50:55>> where's Pine Brook Port?

50:58>> Down the bottom here.

51:01>> If you follow Stone Doll all the way

51:02out, you land in Pine Brook.

51:05It's off of

51:07Marie Street.

51:08>> Marie Street right next to that little

51:12package like a store. Tra.

51:20>> You going to look too? All right.

51:22>> Used to be a package store. I thought I

51:23knew every pack of the time

51:27>> back in the day.

51:29>> You probably didn't go in, Kevin. You

51:31just

51:31>> We a little older.

51:35>> Um, so the uh time statements, we're

51:39going to get our act together with that

51:41going forward. That's been kind of a

51:44>> And my time sheets also,

51:45>> like I said, and the uh time sheets, but

51:48that that should happen every month.

51:50>> Yep. So July would be on August 4th and

51:54uh so every month we want to see those

51:57um and the fuel logs.

51:58>> We've discussed monthly fuel logs for

52:00all of the vehicles. Right now there are

52:02no

52:03>> logs that show when the vehicle is

52:04filled up, what the mileage was and that

52:06kind of thing. And I think that's

52:08important to go along with the credit

52:10card slips.

52:11>> Yeah.

52:11>> And you got to get that every month.

52:13Every month. And then there's no issue.

52:17>> Correct.

52:19And those that you can expect all of

52:21this stuff including the general ledger

52:23to be on the agenda every month. So this

52:26is

52:27>> every

52:27>> this is going to be every month,

52:30>> right? Yep.

52:33>> And I went on the NARO website and the

52:36refresher courses for public housing

52:38managers. Is there anything there that

52:40interested you?

52:42Well, tomorrow I go to Worcester housing

52:45for uh repositioning of HUD

52:50properties. So that from 10 to 2 they're

52:53having a training at Worester Housing.

52:56So I am going to that and it's a federal

53:00training. Then there were other

53:02trainings that we did sign up for

53:05>> and I'm going to I figure if I go to the

53:08training and they give us a handout then

53:10I can just copy the handouts and give

53:13them to the board.

53:14>> That would be great.

53:14>> And that way you can see where I've

53:17been, what we've taken and you have the

53:20resources.

53:23>> Okay.

53:24>> Sure.

53:26>> Okay. And then the um executive director

53:29annual review. Um this hasn't happened

53:32in a while and um I think we're well

53:36we're also you know new to this that

53:39it's um this will be a good

53:43um

53:44exercise for us as we learn about you in

53:49your role and what you're working on.

53:52and we're looking at all the financial

53:54management, stakeholder communication,

53:56strategic planning, what's going on for

53:59uh grant funding and things of that

54:02nature. So, this um I found this on the

54:06EOHLC website and uh Lori had graciously

54:10provided me with her last uh review

54:13which was 2017.

54:17So, you can see it's it's a little bit

54:19overdue.

54:21And then we had co and

54:22>> and the

54:23>> it didn't make sense.

54:26>> The last review it was probably 50 pages

54:32long and

54:34um wasn't really a lot of relevant

54:37information. So that's why I'm not

54:39looking to something new to try to

54:42>> make it more brief and um sorry and

54:46concise and cover the um the items that

54:49we really should be looking at as a

54:50board from the financial perspective

54:51because that's really our role. So

54:53>> and I need to know what I'm being

54:54evaluated on and if it's clear and to

54:57the point

54:58>> Absolutely. So right um

55:01>> you all got one of these in your packet.

55:02>> Yep.

55:03>> Okay. Because I'd have extra copies if

55:05you didn't get one. Am

55:09I looking for

55:12this like regulatory

55:14one?

55:18>> Do you have one in your bracket?

55:21>> I thought it looked better.

55:24>> You had them in those. Yeah, it's a lot

55:26more precise.

55:28>> All right. Well, I brought extra copies

55:30in case.

55:31>> So, that going forward, that's going to

55:32be something we're going to be working

55:34on. Um and we'll come up with uh

55:36specific uh questions under each one of

55:41you know audit audit results is easy

55:44because we we look at the performance

55:46measure review um

55:49uh the capital improvement plans which

55:51we just talked about a little bit

55:52tonight

55:55uh stakeholder communication and the

55:57public perception and so there's you

55:59know I think it touched on the the basic

56:01areas of the position

56:03>> it was much better than what we had.

56:06Um,

56:08and then the policy review subcommittee,

56:11we wanted to look at some dates and we I

56:13think Marty, you said Sundays are a good

56:16day for you.

56:17>> Yes.

56:18>> Okay. Um,

56:20so do the Sundays in September 9:13,

56:239:20 or 27 work? I think we could plow

56:26through it in a couple of hours.

56:28>> I'll be away the 9th to the 15th. and

56:32then to the 15th. So it would either be

56:35the 20th or the 27th.

56:36>> Yes.

56:37>> Okay.

56:37>> So that should work.

56:38>> Why don't Why don't we block both of

56:40those off and then if we need that extra

56:42day then we can Okay. All right. Great.

56:45>> Um

56:47>> I'm not going to be around the 27th.

56:52>> Well, if you could participate on the

56:5420th and then if there's any lingering

56:57things, we'll use the 27th.

57:01But you can't have more than two.

57:03>> We can have more than two. We can have

57:05all of us if we want to. We have to post

57:07it as a public meeting and we have to

57:09meet,

57:09>> right?

57:10>> So that people can join us if they would

57:12like to.

57:13>> Yeah.

57:21So September 20th and September 27th as

57:24a backup if we need more time.

57:26>> Great. And what's a good time Anybody

57:31>> for Sunday?

57:33>> You said after church, right?

57:36>> 12 1 1:00

57:43the plan.

57:46>> Exterior doors, access control, cameras.

57:48What What's What are we doing with that?

57:51Any Have any weatherization or other

57:55grants been identified? Um,

57:59no. They're still working on the current

58:02capital plan cleanup. Like they're going

58:04to be doing a a roadway at Auburn

58:08Heights that was part of the they had

58:11items already targeted that are in

58:13process. So now it's just cleaning up

58:15those

58:17>> other and then we'll be doing a new plan

58:22that's coming up.

58:23>> Okay. because I got some photos of

58:25exterior windows that are it's um

58:28>> really bad

58:29>> shocking

58:31>> really. It's the it's the state section

58:35of

58:37the elderly de you know the elderly that

58:39it's their windows that they're their

58:42original

58:45>> it's bad.

58:47>> Yikes.

58:49>> But they chose to do the breakup panels

58:52instead of weatherization.

58:56Yeah, that should have been the other

58:57way around.

58:58>> I know. Well, the electrical pain was a

59:00fire hazard.

59:01>> It was a fire. It was a safety issue.

59:04>> And that's why

59:07>> and huge money. Huge money.

59:10[clears throat]

59:10>> Why can't they do

59:12>> chew gum walk at the same time?

59:15>> Because the pot of money and you figure

59:17it they have to share the money with

59:20Feeasant Court. I was going to say it's

59:22all

59:22>> and Auburn Heights.

59:24>> So they give us one amount of money but

59:26it it covers three developments, not

59:29just the village.

59:30>> That's the problem.

59:32>> My question

59:34the only that that brings to mind for

59:36me,

59:38where have we been for the last 20 years

59:40with expecting to get these things?

59:44>> They have a plan. There's a plan.

59:46There's a fiveyear plan for it.

59:48>> A fiveyear plan 20 years ago. No, they

59:50do it every We have a fiveyear plan.

59:52>> It's a rolling fiveyear plan.

59:54>> Yes.

59:54>> Oh, it's a rolling

59:56>> a rolling fiveyear plan. But why are

59:58these windows looking like they're ready

59:59to fall out of the building?

1:00:00>> Well, they did some of the windows, but

1:00:02they only did like one building of eight

1:00:04units.

1:00:06>> That's the thing.

1:00:07>> Is there a reason why?

1:00:08>> Because of the money.

1:00:09>> Because of the money.

1:00:10>> They did one building has new windows.

1:00:14It's in the 70s

1:00:17and the rest of it got kicked to the

1:00:19curb.

1:00:21>> Court has new windows. All right. Well,

1:00:23there are um grants available. Like I

1:00:25said, weatherization grants. There's a

1:00:27whole bunch of money out there. We have

1:00:29to go after it. We're not going to we

1:00:31can't sit back any longer and wait for

1:00:32them to hand us the money because it's

1:00:34not happening.

1:00:35>> And it's gone on entirely too long.

1:00:37>> Oh, we got to get those grants in.

1:00:40>> Yeah. and fuel.

1:00:43>> It's important to be on top of the

1:00:45timelines on the weatherization grants.

1:00:48So, that should be something that's

1:00:49being tracked and, you know, kept in

1:00:51your uh Google calendar or wherever you

1:00:54keep your information that there are

1:00:56certain d, you know, deadlines and

1:00:58timelines for these grants.

1:01:02And it's really important that we stay

1:01:03on top of that now because clearly

1:01:06>> it's gone on too long.

1:01:07>> Yeah.

1:01:08>> These windows look like they're going to

1:01:09fall out of the building. Mhm.

1:01:12>> And that doesn't help with feeding

1:01:13costs, you know, pooling costs, any of

1:01:17it.

1:01:19>> And it doesn't help the morale either.

1:01:22>> No.

1:01:24No. And the other thing is the uh grant

1:01:26applications for activities director has

1:01:28money available there too. I'd love to

1:01:30see that happen because right now

1:01:32there's nothing going on with attendance

1:01:33at all. um that all fell by the wayside

1:01:36under with the understanding that co co

1:01:38came and yes it blew up a lot of things

1:01:41but it's time to get back on it

1:01:42>> but they're not going to the senior

1:01:43center either. I just heard that they're

1:01:46not going and but Packach Village

1:01:49they're right next to the senior center.

1:01:51>> Well then there's clearly there's a

1:01:52program that's what I heard. I don't

1:01:54>> Is access an issue though because it I

1:01:57thought I heard access

1:01:59was an issue

1:02:01>> getting in and out or is there a pass or

1:02:04>> Well, I I think it has a lot to do with

1:02:06programming, right? So, if you have a a

1:02:09dynamic activities director that is

1:02:12doing programs that people actually want

1:02:14to attend and programs they want to

1:02:17participate in, then you have a vibrant

1:02:19senior center and so that probably goes

1:02:22to it as well. But doesn't that come

1:02:24into the budget? Because then she would

1:02:25have to hire someone.

1:02:28>> That's why there's grants out there for

1:02:29that. There's a quarter of a million

1:02:32dollars sitting out there for activities

1:02:34director. And it's a part-time position.

1:02:35It wouldn't be uh you know, it wouldn't

1:02:37be a full-time position on staff, be a

1:02:40part-time position, somebody to

1:02:42coordinate um and in in working with the

1:02:45tenant organization as well. Uh a lot

1:02:48can happen. Um, and that's why, like I

1:02:51said, I did a lot of research and uh did

1:02:54to look at what other tenant

1:02:56organizations were doing and and uh it

1:02:58really does help build the community.

1:03:00And

1:03:00>> is this only for the senior center like

1:03:04>> No, this would be well the community

1:03:06room get things going

1:03:08>> because there's so much always happening

1:03:09at present court. That's why I'm

1:03:11confused on what's going on with the

1:03:13other events.

1:03:14>> There's nothing going on with the

1:03:15community room, right?

1:03:17No, we used to have a a group of people

1:03:19that played cards, elderly people that

1:03:22played cards every day, all day long,

1:03:24but they're they're passing away. So,

1:03:26that kind of ended. And then when they

1:03:29started doing the breaker thing, they

1:03:30were using the community room for

1:03:32storage. So, that kind of

1:03:36made people feel uncomfortable. So, it's

1:03:39like the community room is available.

1:03:41This community room is available. Does

1:03:43the tenants know that?

1:03:47>> Is there like a pass key to get in

1:03:49there?

1:03:49>> Yeah, like

1:03:51for the laundry, right?

1:03:54>> Okay. So, they have a pass key to get

1:03:55in.

1:03:55>> They have a key.

1:03:57>> The residents have a key to this room.

1:03:58>> Okay.

1:04:00>> Someone who is an activities coordinator

1:04:02that could look at all of these and

1:04:04figure out different things to, you

1:04:06know,

1:04:07>> do a survey, find out what people want

1:04:08to do. Do they want to do yoga, chair

1:04:11yoga? Do they want to play bingo? They

1:04:12want to have uh privilege tournaments.

1:04:14What do what do they want to do? Um and

1:04:17then things like in the summertime maybe

1:04:20uh you a barbecue, everybody brings

1:04:22their own meat and brings a dish.

1:04:24>> They tried to do that around the 4th of

1:04:26July here. And there were three people

1:04:29that were really pushing to have it

1:04:31done. They couldn't get anybody to get

1:04:33the dis.

1:04:34>> Well, it's just because it doesn't

1:04:35happen once, you know, it's not

1:04:38something that you give up on, right?

1:04:40You want to you want to get people uh

1:04:42engaged and again build

1:04:44>> I think getting a a director would

1:04:48activities director would go long way

1:04:51>> in generating interest.

1:04:53>> Sure. I mean

1:04:54>> I think there's a training I think I

1:04:55mentioned before my mom's out in Golden

1:04:57Heights out

1:04:59>> and every month they have a newsletter

1:05:00and I mean it's all kinds of stuff

1:05:02that's going on

1:05:03>> and it's they're dynamic and they're

1:05:05doing fun stuff, you know. Yeah.

1:05:07>> Uh the the um Brookside nursing home

1:05:11comes in and does an ice cream social

1:05:13and uh they have a a couple of

1:05:15hairdressers that come in and we'll do

1:05:17hair for people and Oh yeah. There's all

1:05:19kinds of

1:05:20>> And that's as important as a medical

1:05:22appointment.

1:05:22>> That is for most.

1:05:25>> Yeah, absolutely. It's as important as a

1:05:27medical appointment, right?

1:05:28>> The chair yoga stops falls.

1:05:32Balance is really important. We have we

1:05:34have a woman in our building who um we

1:05:37have things every week. People from

1:05:39Verizon, the Auburn Police Department's

1:05:40there in two weeks. Um there's a lot I

1:05:44follow the Grafton Housing Authority on

1:05:46Facebook and I I question

1:05:50some of this, but they have an ex they

1:05:52just had an extraordinary picnic, but it

1:05:54was private money. They got merchants in

1:05:58town, and she on Facebook thanked them

1:06:00all. But it was quite an event

1:06:03>> from my understanding when I took the

1:06:05the um LHA training

1:06:08um a couple months ago.

1:06:11Someone asked a question going back to

1:06:14what Wendy was saying. It was about

1:06:17they kind of compared it. It was like

1:06:18you have a budget and then if you apply

1:06:21for the grants depending on how much you

1:06:24want and depending on how much they

1:06:26could approve. But they do look at the

1:06:29budget. If they see that the budget is

1:06:31over a certain amount, they're like

1:06:33look, they're basically looking at it as

1:06:35if all right, you guys have the money

1:06:36for that, but what what do you guys are

1:06:38spending the rest of the money on?

1:06:40>> Mhm.

1:06:41>> That's what the training was about that

1:06:43I took like 3 months ago. So

1:06:44>> So you mean like the reserve that we're

1:06:46seeing on the state

1:06:47>> budget? Yeah. So

1:06:50say say save say save say save say save

1:06:51say save say save say save say save say

1:06:51save say save say save say if glory

1:06:53tomorrow she tries to apply to some of

1:06:55these grants

1:06:56>> and it I don't know the grants are very

1:07:00iffy especially with a lot

1:07:02>> you know the the world right now you

1:07:05don't get

1:07:05>> but if you don't that's what I was

1:07:07thinking if you don't apply get anything

1:07:09either.

1:07:10>> Yeah

1:07:10>> but they are going to just warning they

1:07:12are going to look at what is coming yeah

1:07:15>> they're going to look at that off the

1:07:16bat.

1:07:17>> Absolutely. Absolutely. And that's why I

1:07:19was surprised to hear that the you know

1:07:22that budget is budget is so fluid

1:07:24because

1:07:25>> typically my experience is that if you

1:07:28don't use that budget it goes away.

1:07:30>> It goes away.

1:07:31>> That's what they used to do.

1:07:32>> If you if you were hold on a surplus,

1:07:35>> they would go in and capture that money

1:07:37back.

1:07:37>> And how much of that reserve is is are

1:07:39you able to use for other things?

1:07:43>> As long as you stay above the 35%. How

1:07:45much of that? But you're limited as to

1:07:47what you can use as it for.

1:07:49>> And can you provide us with a list of

1:07:50the things that you can use that for?

1:07:52>> We can ask Mike.

1:07:53>> Mike.

1:07:53>> Okay.

1:07:54>> That Yeah.

1:07:55>> I wish we had asked him while he was

1:07:57here.

1:07:59>> Yeah. Yeah.

1:08:00>> But right now,

1:08:03Stoneville Heights, we need to look at

1:08:06the parking lot. We need to look at the

1:08:09doors.

1:08:10>> The windows have been done. The roofs

1:08:12have been done. The siding has been

1:08:14done.

1:08:15>> Exterior doors,

1:08:17access control, right? Isn't that Is

1:08:21that more important than the driveway?

1:08:25>> We got to get the driveway

1:08:28sealed.

1:08:28>> Yeah.

1:08:29>> We've got to actually get it fixed in a

1:08:32lot of places. Then we got to look at

1:08:33the sidewalks because of the trip

1:08:35hazards. You can only use that

1:08:38>> the sealant so many times. And then the

1:08:41water level is changing the

1:08:44>> So we I want to eliminate any trip

1:08:47hazards that we have. So we're going

1:08:49then we have some like out this first

1:08:51building. It's too far where there's a

1:08:54long sidewalk and there's not a cut

1:08:56through.

1:08:57>> So I want to put cut through so that

1:08:59>> it's easier for

1:09:00>> it's easier for the residents to

1:09:02actually get in and out of buildings.

1:09:04Like if an ambulance comes

1:09:06>> they have better accessibility. Then we

1:09:09had one tenant drove through a building.

1:09:12>> He went right up over the curb twice.

1:09:15>> Right up over the curb twice and went

1:09:18into a building.

1:09:20>> Yeah. So I want to get the

1:09:23>> Okay. So the

1:09:24>> barricades.

1:09:27>> No.

1:09:29[laughter]

1:09:30>> Tripping hazards.

1:09:33>> So we do have some things that we need.

1:09:37All right. We're going to just we're

1:09:38going to keep the exterior doors, access

1:09:40control, and cameras on this.

1:09:42>> Absolutely.

1:09:42>> Um just to keep it, you know,

1:09:45>> and we have replaced doors as the

1:09:48inspection showed which doors failed.

1:09:51>> So, we have been doing doors right

1:09:53along.

1:09:54>> Do these doors now have um again, I'll

1:09:58go back to what I experienced down in

1:09:59Webster. My mother walks up with a fob.

1:10:02She hit puts the fob on and the door

1:10:04opens automatically for him.

1:10:06You're asking if they have it.

1:10:08>> We don't like that. We have nothing like

1:10:10that.

1:10:10>> We have nothing like that.

1:10:12>> Okay. That's that should be a goal

1:10:14because you've got people coming in.

1:10:16They've got bags. They're, you know,

1:10:18they're trying to hold that door open.

1:10:20They're, you know, struggling to get

1:10:22>> That's a good point.

1:10:24>> You don't have plates door open.

1:10:27>> Plus, it's it's um it's

1:10:30accessible.

1:10:31It's goes to accessibility.

1:10:35>> Yeah.

1:10:37But as a door is failing, we've been

1:10:40kind of like

1:10:43going by the inspections as to where the

1:10:45problems were. And we have replaced

1:10:48doors, but

1:10:51>> right

1:10:51>> without looking at if we could replace

1:10:53it with a door that opens by itself.

1:10:57Yeah,

1:10:58>> we're revealing the door that all goes

1:11:00with the access control.

1:11:02>> Well, yeah, those exterior doors are all

1:11:05>> and even

1:11:06>> so going forward we can put that up.

1:11:08>> Focus on that.

1:11:09>> It's not even that. It's the tubs

1:11:12like

1:11:14we have tubs that the elderly can't

1:11:16>> it's too hard

1:11:17>> get in. So, we're having

1:11:19>> cutting the tubs.

1:11:20>> We're cutting the tubs and we've been

1:11:22doing that. We did four recently. You'll

1:11:24see it on the bath works is they're

1:11:27cutting the tubs. So, we have on next

1:11:30Tuesday we have four more that are being

1:11:33cut out, you know, as we go along so

1:11:36that it's not

1:11:37>> overwhelming to the residents, but the

1:11:39ones that we've done been very happy

1:11:41with it. And we've done them at

1:11:42Packachog Village, too.

1:11:44>> The back of PB has the cutouts already.

1:11:48that development pattern,

1:11:50>> but Stoneville and the front didn't.

1:11:53>> So that's in progress.

1:11:55>> So that's in progress.

1:11:57>> And there's money for that.

1:11:58>> And there's money for that. But you'll

1:12:00you'll see like backwards. It's like,

1:12:02you know, and I'm kind of like,

1:12:03>> yeah, I saw that a lot of that on the

1:12:05register.

1:12:05>> Yeah.

1:12:06>> Right. New business. Anybody have any

1:12:07new business?

1:12:12Any member items?

1:12:16Not one.

1:12:18Public comment on the agenda agenda

1:12:20related items. Anyone?

1:12:23>> Yes. Yes. I'm sorry. Let me get this.

1:12:27Um,

1:12:29>> you My name is Maria

1:12:32and I live attend Village. Um, I've been

1:12:35a resident there since September of last

1:12:39year. And um I had a question as to what

1:12:45is

1:12:55I took so many notes. I'm sorry I can't

1:12:58find it. I just want to say it the right

1:13:00way. What is the tenant

1:13:10availability? Um

1:13:13you you have an organization that all

1:13:16the tenants can belong to. What is that

1:13:19all about? I've never heard of that and

1:13:21I was interested in finding out. um the

1:13:24state and um federal representatives on

1:13:27the board, which Rose is the federal

1:13:29representative and Mani is the state

1:13:32representative and the state likes to

1:13:35see um in federal uh an engaged

1:13:42community that that are living in in in

1:13:44this housing

1:13:46that that they

1:13:49can come to Ammani and they can say,

1:13:51"I'm having Um this uh can you please

1:13:56bring this to the board? So it acts like

1:13:59a liaison

1:14:01um between the tenants and the board.

1:14:06>> Just going to pause.

1:14:08>> What's the lady's name in the email? Um

1:14:14>> I forgot her name. when I gave you

1:14:16>> no uh

1:14:19I forgot her name, but she told me I was

1:14:21advised that I'm not the state

1:14:23representative because I am a tenant.

1:14:25I'm just the vice chairman. That's what

1:14:28I was told. I just have to look through

1:14:30my phone. So,

1:14:31>> you were appointed by the select board

1:14:35to be the state tenant representative.

1:14:39We're required to have a state tenant

1:14:43representative and we're also required

1:14:45to have a federal

1:14:48>> tenant

1:14:49>> representative. Right.

1:14:50>> Rosie was actually elected by the town.

1:14:54Correct.

1:14:54>> So, she serves a dual role. She acts as

1:14:58the federal tenant representative

1:15:00because she's a federal tenant, but

1:15:02she's also been elected by the town like

1:15:05you and Wendy have. Mhm.

1:15:08>> So, she's in a different situation.

1:15:11Amaya was appointed by the board of

1:15:13select.

1:15:13>> So, the state um person told you this.

1:15:17>> That's I have to look in my email. I

1:15:19forgot her name.

1:15:19>> I think you're talking about two

1:15:21different things different things.

1:15:22There's a you can form the residents can

1:15:25form a tenant organization, but it's

1:15:28something that they do themselves.

1:15:32>> Yes. with the direction with some

1:15:34direction from the housing authority but

1:15:36the housing authority doesn't run it.

1:15:39>> No, it doesn't.

1:15:40>> It's kind of like Terry kind of like

1:15:42FASA.

1:15:44>> I know what you're saying, but nothing

1:15:46ever gets done.

1:15:47>> All right. But with fast reps, neither

1:15:50one of them

1:15:53>> tells tenants in federal

1:15:57>> stop.

1:15:59Please.

1:16:00the tenant organization is we're able to

1:16:05bring things to the representative so

1:16:08the representative can act as a liaison

1:16:10to the board and a strong tenant

1:16:13organization can be a very good thing in

1:16:16a lot of ways helps to build community

1:16:19lets people get to know one another um

1:16:22but also works on things that affect the

1:16:27people that live in the housing

1:16:30like it's it's a lot of work like

1:16:34sorry

1:16:36it it's not an easy thing to get

1:16:38together but it's doable and most

1:16:41>> most housing authorities across the

1:16:43state I like I said I I I

1:16:46did a lot of research and there are some

1:16:48very good tenant organizations and they

1:16:52do a lot of wonderful things and it's

1:16:53not just coming with complaints to the

1:16:56board it's it's you know, building, like

1:16:59I said, building community, doing things

1:17:01to help their community, like we have

1:17:03the Auburn Youth and Family Services.

1:17:05Say you had a group of of women that

1:17:06like to knit and they wanted to do hats

1:17:08and mittens for the kids at the Auburn

1:17:10Youth and Family Services. They get

1:17:12together and do things like that. And so

1:17:14it, like I say, building a community

1:17:16>> and I think also we talked about how

1:17:19those picnic and social gatherings have

1:17:21lapsed since co. I think if you had an

1:17:23active tenant organization, but I think

1:17:27I may be incorrect. Our understanding

1:17:29that Ammani was the state

1:17:32>> that's what the selectman understood

1:17:34when they appointed you.

1:17:37>> We'll try to get clarification on that.

1:17:39>> Yeah. Whoever if you can find the name

1:17:41of that person that told you.

1:17:42>> Yeah. If you can find the email that

1:17:44would be very helpful.

1:17:46>> So is it safe to assume that right now

1:17:49you do not have a tenant authorization?

1:17:51We do not.

1:17:52>> We do not.

1:17:53>> Do you have been here? We haven't had

1:17:55one.

1:17:56>> Do you know if there is

1:17:58>> I've been here since

1:17:59>> 19 years.

1:18:00>> How many?

1:18:01>> 19 years. I've been here 19 years.

1:18:05>> 2007.

1:18:06>> 19 years.

1:18:09>> So it it's definitely doable if people

1:18:13if you can get people together to try to

1:18:15build some momentum.

1:18:17um it it could be a really good thing

1:18:20>> for everybody.

1:18:22>> So, how how can I learn and get more

1:18:26information about this?

1:18:28>> There's a lot of information on the

1:18:30Executive Office of Housing and Livable

1:18:34Communities, the EOHLC

1:18:38website. It's also you can read about

1:18:41the um the actual Massachusetts general

1:18:45law. I think it's what is it? 76 CMR.

1:18:49Um, so it's it's in the Massachusetts

1:18:51general laws as well,

1:18:53MGLC,

1:18:59but it doesn't prohibit them until they

1:19:02get more direction or more structure

1:19:05from starting a casual group.

1:19:07>> Right.

1:19:08>> I would I would, you know, uh, build

1:19:11momentum.

1:19:12>> Yeah.

1:19:14And it's a good way to meet people.

1:19:16>> It is.

1:19:17>> Yeah. Just September.

1:19:19>> And again with, you know, if we had an

1:19:21activities director and then you get

1:19:23things going and you know, you know how

1:19:25things trips.

1:19:26>> Yeah. And we did bus trips.

1:19:28>> It's like a snowball. It will keep

1:19:29building.

1:19:29>> I think people whether it's covert or

1:19:32whatever. I I just see a lack of

1:19:34interest and I think maybe some feeling

1:19:38things aren't going to change. So we

1:19:40need to get it going again. And I think

1:19:43as people have lost their licenses,

1:19:46>> Yeah.

1:19:46>> they're they feel really housebound.

1:19:48>> Yeah.

1:19:50>> And but they can still go to the senior

1:19:52center because the senior center was

1:19:53right next door and the bus would come

1:19:56get them.

1:19:57>> That's true.

1:19:58>> But you're going to

1:20:00>> the senior center up there at Patrick

1:20:03Village is modelist.

1:20:05>> So you're using that. I have in the past

1:20:08and life got really crazy and a lot of

1:20:11things happened and I haven't been over

1:20:13there but when I first got here I had

1:20:17knee placements at the top of my

1:20:20>> it was housebound or whatever and when I

1:20:25was marvelous marvelous I can't say

1:20:28enough about the hut it was from HUD

1:20:31they do a great job

1:20:32>> I'm talking about date.

1:20:36>> I have to look through my I don't know

1:20:38if that's

1:20:38>> If you could find that that would be

1:20:39great.

1:20:40>> Flashlights.

1:20:41>> My understanding um from everything I

1:20:44read because I did read the

1:20:45Massachusetts general law. Thank you. Um

1:20:48and the select were under the impression

1:20:50when they appointed you that it would be

1:20:52as the state senate representative. So

1:20:54we'll just look for some clarification

1:20:56on that.

1:20:58>> Thank you.

1:20:59>> And on the LTO we can look.

1:21:03So

1:21:03>> after I get on the art,

1:21:07you had another question.

1:21:08>> I actually had another question as well,

1:21:10but I don't think this is the time where

1:21:12you give me another opportunity.

1:21:13>> Absolutely. You can come to every one of

1:21:15the meetings. There's public comment in

1:21:17the beginning and there's also public

1:21:19comment in the end.

1:21:20>> Oh, good.

1:21:20>> And the public comment in the end has to

1:21:22do with all of the agenda items that we

1:21:24cover and you can ask questions about

1:21:25anything that we covered.

1:21:26>> Okay, great. So you'll have that again

1:21:29>> every every meeting

1:21:30>> or you can call the office

1:21:33Thank you.

1:21:35>> Okay. Discussion to set the next meeting

1:21:37date and adjourn. So that will be

1:21:42looks like September. Wow. No. Yeah.

1:21:45September 1st.

1:21:47>> Labor Day is the Oh, the second Tuesday.

1:21:50>> Second Tuesday.

1:21:51>> No,

1:21:54>> that was the first Tuesday.

1:21:56>> It's the first Tuesday.

1:21:57>> First Tuesday.

1:21:59>> Okay. So it is it's Sep

1:22:02the kids start school on Wednesdays

1:22:06>> on the second

1:22:06>> on the third.

1:22:09>> Oh okay that's Thursday.

1:22:10>> I don't know why.

1:22:10>> No the Wednesday. So it is the

1:22:12secondary. Yes.

1:22:13>> I thought we had already decided that

1:22:16date. Anyway, it makes you decide I'm

1:22:19available either of those dates.

1:22:21>> Yes. The first Tuesday of the month.

1:22:22>> Okay.

1:22:24So that will be September 1st, 2026 at

1:22:275:30 p.m.

1:22:33>> So wish to make a motion to adjourn.

1:22:40>> Yeah, that's right.

1:22:43>> No second public comment is only on

1:22:46agenda items. I'm going to give you my

1:22:48card if you want.

1:22:53You can't talk to me.

1:22:55>> I can't do this now.

1:22:57>> No.

1:22:57>> Or the board.

1:22:59>> Was it a question related to the agenda?

1:23:02>> Um, it's it's a question relating to

1:23:08Pat. Does that come

1:23:10>> that would come in under the first

1:23:12public comment? This one is only related

1:23:14to the agenda items.

1:23:17>> Come. Please come.

1:23:19>> September 1st. September 1st.

1:23:21>> Okay.

1:23:22>> And I'll ask for public comment. It's

1:23:24like the second thing we do after well

1:23:26after the pledge of allegiance.

1:23:28>> Then we go right into public comment. So

1:23:31you can formulate your questions and

1:23:33come on back.

1:23:34>> I would Okay. Thank you very much.

1:23:36>> You're welcome. You're welcome. Thanks

1:23:38for coming.

1:23:39>> All right. Can we have a motion to

1:23:40adjourn?

1:23:41>> Motion.

1:23:42Second.

1:23:43>> All those in favor? I

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