2026-10-14 - Conservation Commission

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00:05>> right. Good everyone. This is the

00:07October 14, 2026 open meeting of the

00:10urban conservation commission which is

00:11being operated as a hybrid format under

00:14chapter 22 of the act 2022. Uh the

00:18public can join the meeting the meeting

00:20remotely by

00:22the name

00:27James Bennett. No,

00:30shut him off.

00:33>> All right. As I was saying before, the

00:36public can join the meeting remotely by

00:38dialing 224-501-3412

00:43and then [clears throat] entering access

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00:49or you can join via computer at global I

00:52think this is wrong.

00:53global.going.com/join645782 go to

00:54meeting.com/join

00:56and I have 645782357.

01:00It's actually meet.go.com/arburn

01:05conference room

01:07one. So I apologize for that. Uh all

01:10supporting materials for tonight's

01:12meeting have been provided to the

01:13commissioners and they're available on

01:14the town's website. Public is encouraged

01:17to follow along using the agenda. My

01:19name is Michael Garland. I'm chairman of

01:21the commission. So before we begin, let

01:23me do a roll call of our members. Megan

01:25Langley

01:26>> here,

01:26>> Michelle Kas

01:27>> here,

01:28>> Mark Clammo

01:28>> here,

01:29>> Ricky Aris

01:30>> here,

01:30>> Mark Kish

01:31>> here,

01:31>> and uh Natalie Bickford

01:33>> here.

01:33>> All right. Um anyone that wants to speak

01:37tonight, there's a signup sheet um next

01:39to Matt Nat, and you need to sign in.

01:41Also, when if you do stand up and want

01:43to be heard, we need to know where

01:46you're living. Um please note the

01:49meeting is being recorded by our Table

01:50Television. So without further ado, the

01:53first matter on our agenda is a 7:00

01:56public hearing, 15 H Hearts Gravel Road.

01:59Is there a motion?

02:01>> So moved.

02:02>> Is there a second?

02:02>> Second.

02:03>> Okay. Any discussion? All those in favor

02:05say I.

02:06>> I.

02:07>> Post. It's a vote.

02:09>> Mr. Walsh. Good evening.

02:10>> Good evening.

02:12>> So, we had expected to see you here

02:14before now.

02:15>> I did too.

02:16>> I guess the planning board had other um

02:19ideas. Yeah, we had a few hurdles along

02:23the way, but they weren't significant

02:25but timely for sure.

02:27>> Good evening. Thank you. Good evening

02:29for

02:31>> being present and and listen to this. Uh

02:34I do have a small presentation if you

02:36want me to roll through it to refresh

02:37you. It's been quite some time,

02:39>> please.

02:45>> I thought that was background music for

02:47his presentation. Yeah, don't give me

02:49that.

02:51>> Sorry about that. Okay, whatever.

02:55>> Do you want to jump to a certain slide

02:57or not?

03:01>> Anyways, again, this is obviously hard

03:03gravel road. The intent is to install

03:05something similar to this, although it

03:07be a bit larger for sure, a gravel

03:09wetland for storm water treatment um at

03:12the facility.

03:13um they've been challenged on some of

03:16their um storm water discharge results

03:18at at times and this is really to

03:21satisfy their EPA general permit multis

03:24sector general permit

03:25>> okay

03:25>> uh for discharge and do the right thing

03:28so um some of the things historically

03:32that they've done on site I'll go this

03:34do this pretty quickly um many of which

03:36you have seen I suppose in the past um

03:39from routine sweeping of the yard and

03:42the active areas. Um maintenance of the

03:45storm drain system as you can expect. Uh

03:48best management practices include uh

03:50media filters, roof drainage. Um do you

03:53drain to media filters for zinc removal

03:55happens to be galvanized roofing and

03:57zinc is a uh is a parameter of concern.

04:01Proprietary um gravity separators and

04:04catch basin inlet uh [clears throat]

04:05filters are on site. uh an oil water a

04:0812,000galon oil water separator where

04:11all flow drains through it from either

04:13branch. There's two branches on site of

04:16uh storm drainage collection and it all

04:18goes through that in low flow conditions

04:20if it's a significant event at a certain

04:23point. Um it bypasses the old water

04:26separator but all initial flows go

04:29through it. Um anyways and addition uh

04:34covered bail storage which is uh just

04:36wrapping up in construction. Um that's

04:40really just to put their they

04:42essentially segregate recyclables

04:45obviously paper, cardboard, metals,

04:46metal cans, uh plastics and so forth. So

04:49bail them into 4x4 by 4 foot bales. And

04:53the idea was to keep that undercover. um

04:56especially in COVID and afterwards they

04:57had trouble scheduling enough trucks to

04:59ship out regularly and and rail too,

05:01maybe more severely and so it sits right

05:05here and it is literally just being

05:08completed. Um so that was to reduce the

05:11potential for exposure to wind rain so

05:13forth. So it's covered area.

05:16Um

05:17this is just some of the the uh routine

05:20uh maintenance that's done. Um obviously

05:23it's pretty significant at the site. um

05:25with all the pre-treatment that's within

05:27the system on either side of those two

05:29branches of drainage uh including oil

05:32water separator and the pond itself. So

05:34those are some of the things that are

05:36are cleaned on a regular basis

05:39and I don't see those things changing.

05:41You know the the gravel wetland um will

05:44be far more effective. I'm sure of that

05:47based on some of the others that we've

05:48constructed and their performance at

05:50similar sites. This just shows a little

05:52bit of a picture. This is the oil water

05:53separator 12,000galon underground

05:55structure. This is one of the media

05:57filters. So this is a distribution site.

05:59They sit below grade. Um so the roof

06:01drainage comes through there, spills out

06:04of the uh the perforated perforated

06:06openings and goes through several uh

06:09layers of media. They're fairly large uh

06:11filters. Um one on the north side and

06:14one on the south side to get both

06:15drainage areas. Um this is the existing

06:19uh pond here. The limitations there is

06:21there's no real restriction uh unlike a

06:24gravel wetland who it's it's constructed

06:27to be able to control flows through a

06:30series of uh we uh and orififices and so

06:32forth. So you uh you're able to uh

06:35retain flow and discharge at a slower

06:37rate over a period of time. And you can

06:39even stack water on it and still get

06:41treatment over time. That's one of the

06:44filters being constructed, media being

06:46placed in it. um bottom there. Um these

06:50are some of the expanded drainage areas.

06:52A pretty long trench drain we put in in

06:542020, I think it was. Um uh near the the

06:58exit of the facility. This is a

07:01pre-treatment system that's um it's an

07:04oil water separator as well, but it's

07:06pretty effective at dropping out

07:08sediment. So those are on we there's

07:10multiple on site. Um but they're pretty

07:13effective uh doing their job. And the

07:15benefit is if you did have a release of

07:17oil, which can happen with these trucks,

07:18especially with hydraulic oil, um we've

07:21got even more capacity than the 12,000

07:23gallons uh oil water separator catch it.

07:30Sorry about that.

07:33Uh they acquired a new sweeper last

07:35year. Um and I do see an improvement

07:38with it. It seems to uh have a positive

07:41effect on the results. And uh this is

07:43the bail storage area. Um this is just a

07:46picture from the other day. So they are

07:49um there's a there's a US associated

07:52with it to capture fire flows. But

07:54that's where the bail storage will be at

07:57least another area of bail storage. Um

08:00this shows a dry pond given the fact

08:03that it the existing pond pretty much

08:05acts as almost a dry pond because there

08:07not a lot of retention in it. Um we just

08:09looked at the two to show it show the

08:11difference and this is a subsurface

08:13gravel wetland um that we're

08:15constructing. So you can see these

08:16removal rates they get pretty high uh

08:20TSS total suspended solids um and it's a

08:23challenge on all these sites especially

08:24with as much traffic as they get uh and

08:27the materials they handle but 96% is is

08:29is pretty pretty high u in the realm of

08:33any type of type of treatment. But it's

08:35also very good at metals which is also a

08:38contaminant concern there. Uh zinc here

08:4160% but copper and uh and lead and

08:46aluminum and you got even higher when

08:48you look at the uh gravel wetland

08:51performance.

08:53Um this is just a cross-section simple

08:56cross-section. If you don't recall a for

08:58bay is where water comes in. Call it a

09:00for bay is a settling area to drop out

09:02initial sediment. It drives it down

09:05water [snorts] down through um the first

09:08cell. There's two there's always two

09:09cells in a gravel wetland. Um and

09:12they're basically identical, but it

09:13drives water down. And this is your

09:15treatment area. There's wetland soils,

09:17wetland plants, uh keystone layer, 24 in

09:20of gravel. Um it's anorobic and it's uh

09:25so so microbial environment develops

09:28pretty quickly and uh you get some

09:30filtration but you get really good

09:32treatment through here uh on those

09:34contaminants of concern. That plug flows

09:36through and it's all 3/4 in uh stone. So

09:40you have a tremendous amount of um area

09:42face area on this stone for microbes to

09:44to cling to and and thrive. And there's

09:47uptake in the plants too of certain

09:48pollutants. And so it does the same

09:50thing. And the nice thing too, it's

09:52pretty compact. Although this is a large

09:53one, it's still we're able to detain

09:55water [clears throat] above it and still

09:57filter it down through a portion of it

10:00um over time. So it's it's efficient in

10:02[clears throat] a lot of ways. And then

10:04out the outlet control structure which

10:06holds the elevation of the water at a

10:08constant uh level. So it supports the

10:10wetland soils and uh and plants. So

10:13you're able to maintain that uptake.

10:16Uh this is just yet another that was a

10:19UNH sketch. Sorry. That's right.

10:22Do it here. Skip that. Uh this just

10:27talks about compliance with state and

10:29local regulations. Uh

10:32uh wetland NOI obviously minor site plan

10:34is what we uh uh went through.

10:38Those are just some of the uh criteria

10:41that we met and uh

10:44compliance with federal regulations.

10:46These are currently the the parameters

10:49that they're subject to in the multis

10:51sector general permit. That's based on

10:53your industrial sector um their sector.

10:56These are are are the items uh chemical

10:59action demand TSS, aluminum, copper,

11:02lead, zinc and pH. Um, so those are the

11:06limits. Um, and so we expect them to

11:10have a uh a much easier time meeting

11:14those limits based on on this system on

11:16top of everything that's been installed

11:17in front of it.

11:20We've we've installed them in two very

11:23similar facilities, one in New

11:25Hampshire, one in Massachusetts, and

11:27both will perform very well. expect the

11:29same.

11:31Uh permit status, not just how this is

11:34up to date, but um obviously um

11:37conservation commission approval is

11:38pending. Um DPW um that took a fair

11:42amount of time back and forth mainly

11:44because of the easement and the easement

11:46was needed to cross the road.

11:48[clears throat]

11:48>> Um so that is pending. Um it is on the

11:52warrant. I'll skip over probably

11:53[laughter] how how to uh really see what

11:56is here. It has to be approved by the um

11:57by town meeting.

11:58>> Yeah. Select board vote, I guess. Uh

12:02October 27th. So that hopefully is the

12:05end of the road for permitting on this

12:07project.

12:08>> Okay.

12:08>> Um state permit and we obtained uh

12:11approval from uh D on the NI. So

12:14>> okay. Anyways, that that's the general u

12:19overview. This is the easement itself.

12:21Nothing flashy in it, but um this shows

12:24it kind of the outline of it in relation

12:27to the road and the uh gravel wetland.

12:30How long would it take to construct?

12:34>> It it's it's not a large footprint of a

12:37project, but it's it's challenging. It's

12:40a small footprint.

12:41>> Mhm.

12:41>> And [clears throat] uh I'd say

12:45four to six months.

12:46>> Really? Not long.

12:48>> Part of it depends on weather, right?

12:50>> Sure. You know, I think I think that's

12:53probably a safe bet. I think it can be

12:55done quicker,

12:56>> but I'd hate to sit here and say two or

12:58three months.

12:59>> So, you think that maybe uh construction

13:01won't start until the spring?

13:02>> I think it's likely.

13:03>> Okay.

13:04>> Yeah.

13:06>> Okay.

13:07And um aside from I mean, I remember

13:10your presentation uh in August and um

13:15it's fair to say that whatever you

13:17submitted to us has not changed. It's

13:18just that you had to go through the

13:20other boards to get your approvals. Is

13:22that fair?

13:22>> Yeah. So, we had third party review for

13:24planning board

13:26>> uh with Graves Engineering. Um that was

13:28that was a good process. I thought they

13:30added value to it, had good comments. Um

13:34yeah, that um DPW went back and forth a

13:36little bit, but most of it was about the

13:38easement and just timeline thing. Uh D

13:42wasn't much of an issue. Um but yeah,

13:46we'll I think if we're in a position if

13:48we're able to get approval tonight that

13:49we'll be set up for uh the the vote for

13:53the u for October 27th.

13:55>> Yeah. Okay. Very good. Uh I don't have

13:57any questions.

13:59>> Nope. I have questions about planning

14:00board.

14:01>> Okay. Any questions from the audience?

14:05There being none, is there a motion to

14:07close?

14:08>> Motion to close the public hearing for

14:1015 Hogs Gravel Road. Is there a second?

14:13>> I second.

14:14>> Is there any discussion? All those in

14:16favor say I.

14:17>> I.

14:18>> Opposed. It's a vote. All right, Mr.

14:20Walsh. Thank you very much. Thank you.

14:22Take care.

14:34The next item on our agenda is

14:37uh 14 road. Um, Sheriff Freman, a

14:41request for determination of

14:42applicability to construct an attached

14:44garage um at 14 Rotary Road. Is there a

14:47motion to open?

14:49>> So move.

14:49>> Is there a second?

14:50>> Second.

14:51>> Any discussion? All those in favor say

14:53I.

14:54>> I post the mot

14:57here. Whatever.

14:58>> Mr. Pike, why don't you join us here?

15:06Before we start, do we have any

15:08information on this 14? Do I have it in

15:10front of me?

15:11>> Uh, you should. I have I have

15:16it.

15:17>> Maybe you do.

15:19>> Oh, yep. Got it.

15:20>> Okay.

15:21>> I was looking for 14 different address

15:23on it. Thanks.

15:25>> Yeah, it's 185.

15:27>> Got it.

15:31>> Okay.

15:33So, always tell us what what you want to

15:35do. Okay. I just would like to construct

15:37a twocar garage attached to the house on

15:39the street side.

15:40>> Okay. [clears throat]

15:44>> Do you are you going to put a What kind

15:45of foundation going to have for that

15:47garage?

15:47>> It's not on grade.

15:48>> Um, no. It's going to be a full front

15:50wall.

15:50>> Okay. All right.

15:56And with the the excavated material,

15:58what are you going to do with it?

16:00>> The excess? Well, the excavated material

16:02for the um um for the foundation for the

16:05garage, what are you going to do with

16:07it? You going to basically just um um

16:10keep it on the property? You're going to

16:11excavate it and take it off site?

16:14>> Anything extra will be taken out then?

16:15Okay.

16:16>> Um anything until the foundation gets

16:18in, it'll be right outside of

16:23>> Okay. Clearly, you're on the other side

16:25of Stoneville. So, I mean, I think

16:28technically you're it it triggered

16:30jurisdiction because you're within 100

16:32ft, but

16:32>> correct.

16:33>> The work is all taking place on the

16:35other side of the house. So, all right.

16:38I don't have any um any other questions.

16:41>> I don't know.

16:42>> Um how So,

16:46how far exactly is like the closest area

16:49of the proposed work to the the edge of

16:53the reservoir? I think it's 85.

16:56>> Yeah, I measured 80 ft when I went out

16:58there.

17:04>> I mean, normally if it was on the other

17:07side, we'd insist [clears throat] on,

17:09excuse me, rush control measures, but

17:11again, the house itself is acting as a

17:13barrier,

17:13>> right? I plan on using like, you know,

17:16waddles, but to keep it even in the

17:18grassy area, so just

17:19>> Okay.

17:20>> Just be on the safe side.

17:21>> Very good. Um, any questions from the

17:24audience?

17:27>> Any questions for Megan?

17:28>> I was just going to say, so you said you

17:30will, you know, the excavated material

17:32that you, you know, remove for the

17:34foundation will be eventually taken off

17:36site. Um, like when you first have it

17:39removed, do you have like a specific

17:41area that you be like staging that at?

17:45>> It'll be right, you know, they typically

17:47dig out of the hole. They sit it right

17:49outside of the hall.

17:50>> Okay. It's within, you know, 5 ft of

17:52where

17:53>> Okay.

17:54>> And then I was going to put the waddles

17:56on, you know, give them a decent size

17:57area to even work in, you know, so it

17:59doesn't exceed that.

18:00>> But are you going to try to get it done

18:02uh this year?

18:03>> I'd like to, but time is of the essence.

18:06>> Understood.

18:08>> All right. Um I don't have any further

18:10questions. If there are no other

18:12questions either from the board or the

18:13audience, uh is there a motion to close?

18:17I

18:17>> move to close.

18:20Sorry. 185.

18:22>> Okay. Can you hear yourself?

18:25>> 14 Rotary Road.

18:26>> Okay.

18:27>> Second.

18:28>> All right. Any discussion? All those in

18:30favor say I.

18:31>> I.

18:32>> I. Vote.

18:34>> All right. Mr. CL will probably render

18:35us a decision this evening. So, thank

18:37you.

18:37>> Okay. All right. Thank you very much for

18:38your time.

18:41[clears throat] Perfect.

18:42>> Thank you. Thank you.

18:55All right. The next item on our agenda

18:58is 190 [snorts] Washington Street.

19:02Notice of intent to construct six

19:04commercial warehouse buildings

19:06uh with accessory offices.

19:09Is there a motion open?

19:10>> Motion. Uh still move.

19:12>> Is there a second?

19:13>> A second.

19:14>> Discussion. All those in favor say I.

19:17>> I post a vote.

19:19>> Is there anyone here on behalf of 190

19:21Washington Auburn LLMC?

19:24>> Yes. Uh this is Jim Bernardino with

19:26Turning Point Engineering.

19:28>> Uh good evening, sir.

19:30>> Good evening.

19:31>> You've been here before?

19:32>> Um

19:34I'm sorry.

19:36>> Been here before.

19:37>> Yeah, we've been here before. Uh I

19:39haven't done remote. Um, but uh I think

19:42we'll be able to work through it a

19:44little bit clumsy, but I'll shut the

19:46video off to make sure that uh we get

19:48the best feed possible. Um, let me give

19:51you just a a little recap of where we

19:53are. Um, I was in front of uh the

19:56commission probably about a year ago um

19:59for the abiding property right next door

20:01at 50 Washington Street. Um, and that

20:06was to remove some fill from this

20:09property, 190 Washington Street, um,

20:12which is, um, 190 Washington. Auburn LLC

20:15is the current owner of both of those

20:18properties.

20:19Um

20:21the um

20:23that notice of intent allowed for the

20:26you know the transport of material from

20:28this 190 site over to the 50 Washington

20:33uh street site. Um we did receive a

20:38couple or a few years back from the

20:40commission a notice of intent to

20:42construct a pad ready site basically uh

20:46to establish an elevation for our future

20:49development. Now, um now we're here to

20:52talk with the commission um to

20:57um talk about the the site plan that is

21:01going to be actually implemented. Um

21:04before you is a um site plan that has uh

21:08six commercial buildings on it. Uh three

21:11of them are located within the 100t

21:14buffer zone. um 100% of the proposed

21:18development currently uh is being

21:21proposed within the limits of the

21:24um pad ready plan that was approved a

21:28couple of years ago. So, um that site

21:30has been active um to get to that pad

21:34ready site and uh Eastland Partners

21:37who's you know basically the parent

21:38company of the owner um is getting ready

21:42to you know move forward with the

21:44intended design should it be uh approved

21:47by the commission. Um the design had six

21:51buildings um that's being proposed with

21:54just over 75,000 square uh square ft of

21:57area. Um we've received a site plan

22:00approval on the planning building and um

22:06we've also previously received well we

22:09received a site plan amendment um which

22:12is um the plan in front of you. The

22:15original proposal was for a much larger

22:19120,000 square foot one large high bay

22:23warehouse, but um that's been modified

22:27to the proposal in front of you. Um the

22:29proposal actually uh results in just

22:33over a half an acre of less impervious

22:36than what was accounted for in the quote

22:39unquote pad ready site. So um the

22:42anticipated drainage that uh has been

22:45installed and being currently utilized

22:49on the site is appropriately sized for

22:51the um development moving forward. Um as

22:56mentioned before we are completely

22:58within the established limits of the pad

23:02ready approval that the commission uh

23:05issued a couple years back. Um what

23:08we've done is through the site plan

23:10process we had Graze Engineering um oh

23:13Graze engineering didn't um conduct a

23:16third party review but the DPW

23:18did uh conduct their review of the storm

23:21water and the site plans. Um it was such

23:24a minor change uh from the

23:28120,000 foot warehouse building that the

23:31U planning board previously reviewed.

23:33So, they didn't have that third-party

23:35review. Um, but they did have the DPW

23:38review. Um, and what was submitted to

23:42the commission was the final plans and

23:45drainage calculations and the like that

23:47responded to uh all of the DPW as well

23:51as the planning board's comments.

23:55Um you know as part of uh the site plan

23:58package um there's uh a drainage uh

24:02collection conveyance system uh water

24:04quality units um that'll be implemented

24:08prior to the discharge of an

24:09infiltration basin which will provide

24:11additional uh water quality and water

24:14treatment. Um we've uh included a uh

24:18operation and maintenance plan for the

24:19storm water as well as the overall site

24:22in general uh as part of the submission.

24:25Uh there is a comprehensive erosion and

24:28sediment control plan what was developed

24:31uh which mimics the uh ready site uh

24:36previously established for the uh for

24:38the property. Um again the limits of all

24:40the erosion control um meet and um

24:44approximate or they mimic the uh air uh

24:49erosion controls for the original pad

24:51ready site. Um you know track entrances

24:54for um truck deliveries stockpile areas

24:58and the like have all been incorporated

24:59into the plans as well as the

25:01construction details. Um I know um the

25:06snow storage is generally a concern. We

25:09do have a site plan um [laughter]

25:12multiple stalls uh snow storage dog pile

25:16areas throughout the site. And uh one

25:19other good um aspect is um we're greatly

25:23int um uh intensifying the landscaping

25:26that's on the property as well. Um we're

25:30increasing several shade trees and over

25:32100 shrubs and different plantings on

25:35the site that weren't originally

25:37approved. So that reduction in

25:40impervious area of about half an acre or

25:42so allowed us to increase um the

25:46landscaping that was on the site. Um

25:49there was no modifications necessary for

25:51the mason as I mentioned previously.

25:55um all the original assumptions made

25:57with the pad ready site are um are met

26:01or actually um below those thresholds

26:04that were established. Um so with that

26:08said um I'm glad to answer any questions

26:11or bring up a site plan. Uh I know the

26:14commission has uh the plans in front of

26:16them as well, but uh I'm more than open

26:18to questions and pulling up those plans

26:21if necessary.

26:25Well, um

26:28I I think it would benefit the

26:29commission to go and take a look. I

26:32mean, I think um many of us have been to

26:34the site over the past several years for

26:36those aspects of um of the property uh

26:40towards the back of the property away

26:41from Washington Street. Um, I mean, I

26:44for one will be pleased to see um the

26:48lot in front uh be developed if only to

26:52eliminate um the mounds of dirt that

26:54have been there for the last few years.

26:57Uh but I think it would it would benefit

27:00especially some of the newer members of

27:01the commission to take a look at the

27:03property. So, um would you have any

27:06objections, sir, to um continuing the

27:08public hearing two for two weeks so that

27:11we can get out there and take a look?

27:14>> No, there's no objections to that. Um we

27:17anticipated that the commission want

27:19sidewalk and from a matter of protocol,

27:24we still do not have the D file number

27:26as of today. Um so, we've been chasing

27:29that down. Hopefully we'll receive that

27:31within the twoe period before the next

27:33meeting.

27:33>> No, it's not.

27:35>> This is right. This is

27:38>> It's the next one down.

27:39>> Yeah.

27:39>> Okay.

27:39>> That's the one that's below the the

27:42grade of the street.

27:42>> Okay.

27:44>> Okay. Um any any questions from the

27:47board?

27:48>> That was

27:49>> so I I we had this across the planning

27:52board. We approved it and then like two

27:54weeks later I was like, "Oh, shoot. I

27:56should have said something then." So I'm

27:57going to say something now.

27:58>> Okay. So, I have this idea where I want

28:02to eliminate

28:05um

28:06how much

28:08impermeable surface area on as many

28:12locations that pop up in Auburn. Not

28:16saying to eliminate the parking, but

28:17make it more impermeable. So, maybe

28:20impermeable.

28:21>> You mean less impermeable?

28:22>> Uh less impermeable. So maybe make the

28:25whole center parking area

28:28uh paved with grass so that you know

28:31water can filter through that. I'm not

28:33sure if we can do that for our

28:35jurisdiction. Uh

28:36>> well I mean you know drainage I think is

28:39always a concern.

28:40>> Yeah.

28:40>> You know and especially where um you

28:43know this site uh borders on Washington

28:45Street. Um I mean that's something to

28:48consider. We may want to consider hiring

28:50a consultant on that issue. I think the

28:52first thing we should do is just go and

28:54take a look.

28:55>> Yep.

28:55>> And then depending on what we see and uh

28:58we can, you know, discuss other options.

29:01I think

29:05>> making any comments

29:07now.

29:09>> Okay. Any comments from the audience?

29:12You guys are very quiet tonight. I know

29:13that will [laughter] change.

29:16>> Okay. So, um, can I have a motion then

29:19to continue the public hearing for 190

29:21Washington Street to October 28th?

29:24>> I make a motion to move the public

29:26hearing from 190 Washington Street to

29:28October

29:3128th

29:32>> at 7 p.m.

29:34>> Yeah.

29:35>> Yeah. Okay.

29:36>> All right. Is there a second?

29:39>> A second.

29:40>> Is there any discussion? All those in

29:42favor say I.

29:43>> I. It's your vote.

29:46All right, sir. Um, thank you for

29:48joining us and um, you don't have to

29:50come out. Um, we have we have the plan.

29:53Um, several of us are very familiar with

29:55the property. So, um, we'll see you in

29:57two weeks.

29:58>> Thank you very much. We'll talk to you

29:59again in two weeks. All

30:00>> right. Very good. Thank you.

30:02>> Bye.

30:05>> Right.

30:11The next item on our agenda is

30:14uh 26 Riverside Drive. Uh Ted Olsen uh

30:18request for determination of

30:20applicability to remove the tree. Is

30:22there a motion open?

30:23>> Still moves.

30:24>> Is there a second?

30:26>> Second. Is there any discussion? All

30:29those in favor say I.

30:30>> I. I.

30:31>> Opposed. It's a vote. Is Mr. Olsen here?

30:34>> Yes, I am.

30:35>> Please join us, sir.

30:36>> Okay.

30:56So, you have a concern about um the

30:58trees that you or the I guess it's a

31:01tree with two trunks that um

31:04>> that's it. Yes.

31:05>> Picture of it, right? And it's

31:07>> uh probably about 20 ft u away from our

31:11house.

31:12>> Okay.

31:12>> And it stretches up over 125 ft tall.

31:16>> Okay.

31:17>> Very big tree.

31:19>> And uh does it appear to have signs of

31:21disease or is it decaying?

31:23>> You can look up and see uh dead

31:25branches, but uh

31:27>> it overall is not uh decaying.

31:31>> Okay.

31:33But you have concerns that in a heavy

31:35>> Well, you know, we just had the nor

31:36easter and it's on the northeast side of

31:40of the uh house.

31:42>> Okay.

31:43>> So, with the severe weather that has

31:45occurred across the country for a few

31:48years now, a severe northeast wind would

31:52bring the wood that would come loose

31:55from the top of the tree

31:58towards our house down onto the roof.

32:00And again, the trunks are very big and

32:03heavy.

32:04>> Okay.

32:06>> So, what would your plan be? Um, do you

32:08intend to um to use this um for wood

32:12stove your house?

32:14>> Yes. Okay. Yes. Right.

32:15>> I mean, I my first clue was the stack or

32:19wood next to it.

32:20>> Yeah, that's this year's wood.

32:21>> Okay.

32:22>> And uh that wood uh obviously oak has to

32:25dry for at least a year.

32:27>> Okay. So, I'd split that up and use that

32:30most likely for next year.

32:32>> Are you going to do this yourself or you

32:33going to hire someone?

32:34>> Hire someone. Okay.

32:36>> In fact, uh I've talked to Maple Tree

32:39Services that have done two other trees

32:41on the house. And the reason uh this

32:45project is even possible is they've

32:47brought a crane that was big enough to

32:52sit up on the road and stretch down to

32:55do the work on the tree. And I've never

32:57seen any other company with that type of

33:00crane. So I talked to them when they

33:03were on the street working on another uh

33:07tree taking it down and he worked up a

33:10quote for me then and it's Maple Tree

33:13Services is the name of the company.

33:16>> Did they give you any time estimate on

33:18this how long it would take to cut them

33:20down?

33:21>> Uh they said about a half a day.

33:23>> Okay.

33:26So this

33:29where where are you seeing the dead

33:31branch? There's dead branches on this. I

33:34don't

33:35>> up higher. There's at least one dead

33:37branch.

33:38>> I don't think you can see it in the

33:39picture.

33:40>> No, when I went out to visit the site,

33:41there were like dead branches over

33:43overhead.

33:44>> It branches way out.

33:46>> Okay.

33:46>> Yeah. And again, um, it's, you know, we

33:52hate to lose the tree because it was

33:54there when we bought the house. It was a

33:56great big tree there. We don't like

33:59taking a treere's life away from it. But

34:03uh in lie of having thought about it for

34:06a few years and the potential danger if

34:08something did break loose and come

34:10toward the house, we made the decision

34:13when we saw the opportunity with the

34:16crane that would could do the job to

34:19take advantage of it to bring the tree

34:21down at this time.

34:22>> Okay. And again, it's it's a a heavy

34:25decision that we have because overall,

34:28we like the tree, but again, consider it

34:31a danger to the house and uh really

34:35don't want to have a big section of the

34:40top of the tree falling down on the

34:42house.

34:43>> That's that's understandable.

34:45>> Yes.

34:45>> Um Okay.

34:48Questions?

34:50Just maybe out of curiosity, do you have

34:52uh plans to replant something else in a

34:54similar area?

34:56[clears throat]

34:56>> Uh we had hadn't thought that far

35:00through it, but that's probably a good

35:01idea to put something else there to

35:05replace the tree and over time have it

35:08grow up again. And it would be 150 years

35:11for it to get as big as it is now. But

35:14uh but again, replacing a tree when you

35:18cut one down is a good idea.

35:20>> So we will do that.

35:23>> All right. Uh any comments from the

35:26audience?

35:28All right. Uh is there a motion to

35:30close?

35:31>> I motion to close 26 Riverside Drive.

35:35>> Okay. Is there a second?

35:37>> Second.

35:38>> Is there any discussion? All those in

35:40favor say I.

35:41>> I. I. opposed. It's a vote. All right,

35:44Mr. Olson, thank you for coming in. We

35:46will u most likely render a decision

35:48tonight.

35:48>> Okay, great. And now we'll be in touch.

35:51Okay, great. Thanks again.

35:52>> Thank you.

36:02>> Okay.

36:08[clears throat]

36:09Mhm.

36:11All

36:32right. The next item on our agenda is

36:35the town of Auburn. A request for

36:37determination applicability for

36:38vegetation management work around Auburn

36:40and Pond. Is there a motion open?

36:43>> Still moved.

36:44>> Uh is there a second?

36:46>> Second.

36:47>> Is there any discussion? All those in

36:49favor say I.

36:50>> I.

36:51>> Opposed is a vote.

36:53>> Is there someone on behalf of the town

36:55of Auburn that will make a presentation?

36:59>> Good evening, Mr. Chairman.

37:01>> Good evening, sir. How are you?

37:03>> Not too bad. Uh Steve Coleman, fire

37:05chief and uh assistant town manager. Uh

37:08good evening uh to the rest of the

37:10commission.

37:11>> Good evening.

37:15>> Would you like me to go right in, Mr.

37:17Chairman?

37:17>> Yes, please go ahead.

37:20>> Uh so thank you. um in an effort to have

37:23uh some continued improvement around the

37:24Auburn Pond area. Um and you know, as

37:28you know, over the last year, uh we've

37:30completed the work at Goddard Park,

37:32including uh the bridge that connects

37:34the library, uh the sidewalks that come

37:37from the uh the municipal parking lot on

37:39the Auburn Street side that heads into

37:41Goddard Park. Um all of that that work

37:44has been complete. So, in an effort to

37:46kind of continue and improve that area,

37:48uh the town has a desire to um do

37:50something with the vegetation and the

37:52brush around uh Auburn Pond. So, uh I

37:56did provide a couple of photos to Nat uh

37:59this afternoon. I don't know if you have

38:01those in front of you or not.

38:04>> Actually, we do. Yep.

38:07So those photos uh were actually taken

38:11uh from the municipal parking lot side

38:13on Auburn Street looking at Auburn Pond.

38:16Um the compon the pond is completely not

38:19visible uh from that area and you know

38:22being at the fire station every day uh

38:25you know especially in the summertime

38:26when the weather is nice uh between

38:28Gddard Park and that little grass area

38:30next to the municipal lot um it gets

38:33quite a bit of foot traffic. uh people

38:35come and have their lunch there. They

38:37put out a blanket in the grass. Uh it's

38:40often frequented by people who are

38:42fishing the pond.

38:44So there is a [laughter] desire again

38:46just kind of make the pond a little more

38:48visible um from the street, make it a

38:50little more of a centerpiece uh in the

38:52jewelry square area. Um so we are

38:55looking for the conservation uh

38:57commission's expertise in in how you

38:59would like us uh to go about that, any

39:02restrictions that you may have. But what

39:04we envision is uh on the Auburn Street

39:07side is to maybe uh plum that grass

39:10area, not only make the pond visible,

39:13but make it so you can walk, you know,

39:15right up to it. Maybe have some some rip

39:18wrap or, you know, some stone that that

39:21would create a 2 or three foot buffer

39:23between the grass uh and the pond, but

39:26to make the pond so it's accessible and

39:28walkable so you can you know see it,

39:31enjoy it, fish it. um those kind of

39:35things. So, we would be looking to do it

39:38basically right around the edge from

39:40where the fire station parking lot is

39:42around the Auburn street side and then

39:45the town of Auburn owns the entire

39:46parcel um which runs down Brotherton and

39:49then includes the library. So, we would

39:52be looking to essentially bring the

39:53vegetation down below the guard rail um

39:56just to make the pond visible in all

39:58areas that are owned by the town.

40:02Okay.

40:03Um,

40:05I mean, do you know what kind of brush

40:07is growing there? I guess my my concern

40:09or my question would be, so you cut it

40:13all down. U what is the likelihood that

40:16it's going to grow back within a year or

40:17two?

40:20>> Yeah. And, uh, Mr. Chairman, I I do not

40:23know what kind of uh, brush is there.

40:25That's, you know, obviously one of the

40:27reasons why we're we're looking to the

40:29conservation commission for your expect

40:32uh expertise. Um, you know, we we'd love

40:35to have uh you and some other commission

40:37members come out, take a look at the

40:39area, take a look at the vegetation

40:41that's there, um, and and provide us

40:44some guidance because, you know, we

40:46don't know and and in some areas where

40:49it's not necessarily possible to bring

40:51it down to ground level or clear it

40:52completely.

40:54um you know it would become regular

40:56maintenance as part of the parks

40:58department you know in in order to

41:00basically not let it get to the

41:02condition that it that it has now. I

41:04mean that that vegetation hasn't been

41:06been touched or or trimmed in decades.

41:10Um so we're we're looking for your

41:12guidance.

41:15>> Okay.

41:17My thoughts is I love the idea cuz I

41:20>> okay

41:20>> was thinking it looked pretty ratty and

41:22if somebody would actually step up and

41:25start taking care of it that would be

41:27great but

41:28>> it has to be done responsibly

41:29>> right I think there's definitely some

41:31opportunity there to I mean you know the

41:35the issues you're bringing up are

41:36primarily of like how people can use it

41:40more and can enjoy it. I think there's

41:43opportunities to balance

41:45benefits to, you know, wildlife and um

41:50with human uses of it and kind of making

41:53so it's more visually appealing, but

41:56then also there's some areas that maybe

41:58have a like

42:00some plants that would be more

42:01beneficial for wildlife. Um, I think

42:04there's I I don't see why there can't be

42:07some balancing of those uses, but yeah,

42:09I think, you know, we do need a lot more

42:11information about like what's there

42:13already. Maybe um

42:17I'm just thinking out loud here. This

42:19would be a an opportunity

42:23for our using our consulting funds or

42:26something like that potentially. I don't

42:28know. I'm just thinking out loud here.

42:29>> Well, I think the first thing we need to

42:31do is take a look.

42:32>> Take a look for sure. So, um, Chief,

42:34what I would suggest is that we, um, we

42:36continue this for, uh, for two weeks.

42:38Our next meeting is going to be on

42:39October 28th. Give us an opportunity to

42:42go down there. Um,

42:45there are apps that you can use, right?

42:47Aren't there apps that identify plant

42:48life?

42:49>> I naturalist is my favorite one.

42:52>> I figured it would be.

42:53>> And I have one, too.

42:54>> That's outstanding. So anyway, Ben,

42:56>> if I may, um I mean just looking at the

42:58picture, I do see um bittersweet,

43:02>> our lovely friend, our invasive. Would

43:04the town have any plans of treating

43:06invasives here?

43:08Well, see my my concern is that to the

43:11extent that there there is actually work

43:14being proposed like the chief mentioned

43:16rip wrap that goes beyond I think uh the

43:19scope of a negative determination of

43:21applicability and that may even turn

43:23into a notice of intent. So that's why I

43:25think we need to take a look uh figure

43:28out what's there and then um I think

43:31based on on what we can determine maybe

43:34in fact because we do have the funds

43:36maybe hire a consultant to make some

43:37recommendations. But why don't we first

43:40of all when we go out there and let's

43:41find out what's there first because as

43:43to your point that if if there's

43:45bittersweet there uh it's going to take

43:47a herculean effort to to make sure it

43:49doesn't come back if we cut it down cuz

43:51it takes more than just cutting it down

43:53to eradicate it. So So Chief is that

43:56agreeable to you? We'll continue this

43:58for two weeks to our meeting on October

44:0028th.

44:01>> Absolutely, Mr. Chairman. And if uh

44:03yourself or other members of the

44:05commission want to reach out uh to me, I

44:07I can make myself available to meet uh

44:10any commission members out there so we

44:11can uh walk the site and and have a

44:14conversation.

44:14>> Well, I mean it, you know, I think we

44:16can do that on our own. Um we know where

44:18it is. Uh you know, it's not private

44:21property, so I think that shouldn't be

44:22an issue. No, I

44:24>> just making myself available if if the

44:26commission uh you know, felt the need.

44:28>> Appreciate that. So 705

44:32Uh

44:33>> maybe 710.

44:37>> I make the motion to move the meeting

44:38for 396

44:41Southbridge Street to October 28th at

44:447:10.

44:45>> Is there a second?

44:47>> I second.

44:48>> Any discussion?

44:50All those in favor say I.

44:51>> I. I.

44:52>> Post the vote. All right, Chief. Thank

44:54you very much.

44:55>> Thank you. Have a good evening. You too.

45:01Okay.

45:09Okay.

45:11The next item on our agenda is 76 Church

45:15Street and Richwood Drive. The applicant

45:18is the Warp Water Condition. Excuse me.

45:20[clears throat] I know some intent to

45:22develop um a water treatment facility

45:25for PAS removal. Is there a motion to

45:27open? Still moved.

45:29>> Um, is there a second?

45:32>> Second.

45:32>> Any discussion? All those in favor say

45:35I.

45:35>> I.

45:36>> I. Oppos.

45:38>> Who's here on behalf of the board of

45:40districts?

45:43>> So, good evening. Um, we have a couple

45:45of representatives on the call. Um,

45:48>> okay.

45:49>> Uh, a couple of representatives from

45:50Tatan Howard. We're the engineer on the

45:52project. Um, we are working with the

45:55Auburn Water District as the applicant

45:57and I think I spotted Greg who just took

46:00a seat at the table. So, um,

46:02[clears throat]

46:03Greg Wood, superintendent of the Auburn

46:05Water District. Um, my name is Katie

46:08Carrera. I'm a project manager at Ted

46:09and Howard um, with with the engineer.

46:12We also have Juliet Burch on the call

46:14with Ten Howard as well.

46:17So, uh, thank you for the commission to

46:19h for having us tonight.

46:21I was going to kind of if it's okay with

46:23with you ragging with commission, I was

46:25going to kind of give a brief overview

46:26of the project. Um

46:29>> and then hand it over to Julia in a

46:31couple minutes. She can kind of run

46:32through a little bit more of the

46:32specifics on our storm water design. Um

46:36would it be helpful to everyone? We can

46:38pull up a site plan on the screen as

46:41kind of a visual aid.

46:43>> Sure.

46:44>> We have it open so might as well if if

46:47you want to share that. Julia

46:51Yes, it looks like I do need permission

46:53to share, but Oh,

46:58>> if we can figure out the tech on that,

47:00I'll absolutely share the screen.

47:03Looks like something's happened.

47:06need you present.

47:09>> Um so while it's been brought up on the

47:11screen um just to give the commission an

47:14overview of the project this is the

47:16proposed church street uh POS water

47:19treatment facility project with the

47:21Auburn Water District. Um this proposed

47:25treatment facility um perfect thank you

47:29is being constructed at the site of the

47:32existing Church Street Wells. Um there's

47:35Church Street, wells one, two, and three

47:38at this 76 Church Street parcel. Um

47:42there's wells one and two. Well 3 is

47:44actually across the street um right next

47:46to the water district office at 75

47:49Church Street. Um if anyone's aware of

47:53the site, there is kind of an open space

47:55right now between the well one and the

47:57well two building. That is where we're

48:00proposing to construct this new

48:01treatment facility.

48:03Yep. Um, so each well right now is

48:06located within their own individual well

48:08pump buildings.

48:10There is some chemical feed that's

48:13currently added to the raw water from

48:15the wells within the treatment or within

48:17the well pump buildings.

48:20What we are doing with the new treatment

48:22facility is um POS removal. So this site

48:27of the church street wells does have

48:29elevated levels of PO and POS above the

48:33national EPA maximum contaminant limit.

48:37So we are constructing POS removal at

48:40the site which ultimately consists of

48:43filtration. Um [clears throat]

48:46so the new facility is going to be

48:49housing four filters that are being used

48:53for POS removal. Those filters are

48:55filled with a carbon media. Um it's a

49:00it's about 3,950

49:03square ft um for that new building

49:07along with the PAS removal filters.

49:10We're going to be moving any of the

49:12chemical feed equipment into [laughter]

49:14that new facility as well just to

49:16streamline. Um so all treatment now

49:19would exist inside of this new treatment

49:21facility building.

49:23raw water from each of the three wells

49:25will be routed to the the new facility

49:28now and then finished water discharged

49:30into the water district system um at

49:33this spot.

49:36So that facility will hold the filters,

49:38the the Paso filters, the the chemical

49:41feed equipment like I mentioned. Um

49:44there's a bathroom in that new facility,

49:47an electrical room, uh water piping,

49:50apparences, pumps, instrumentation,

49:54electrical equipment,

49:56HVAC, um sprinklers,

50:00and and that's that's the purpose of the

50:03facility. Um, as far as site work, um,

50:09so most of the construction will be

50:11happening on that 76 Church Street

50:13parcel. It does bleed into the, um,

50:17parcel north of there, which I, uh,

50:19believe is the rear the Rear Ridgewood

50:21Drive parcel.

50:24Um, the water district owns all three of

50:26those parcels. 76 Church Street, the

50:29Rita Ridgewood Drive, and that small

50:32parcel that's just east of 76. Yeah,

50:35it's all contained right in there west

50:36of that the Dark Brook.

50:39Um, so as far as site improvements go,

50:44um, we are extending

50:47existing driveway onto the site. That

50:50darker gray area that you see is a paved

50:53driveway. It's now going to kind of wrap

50:55around the north side of that well one

50:57building. Um, and then from there it's

51:00going to open up into a gravel driveway

51:02that surrounds the new treatment

51:04facility building.

51:07Um, beyond the new or extended paved

51:10driveway and the gravel driveway around

51:12the facility. Um, everything else is to

51:16remain grass area. So, anything that's

51:18disturbed during construction outside of

51:21the driveway areas will be long seated.

51:25Um,

51:27I mentioned we do have that brook on the

51:28the east side of the site, Dark Brook,

51:31that does run Yep. north to south right

51:34there. So um because of the existence of

51:37the brook there we do have some work uh

51:41within the 100 foot buffer zone of the

51:45resource area wetland zone site.

51:48Um we also do have some work included

51:50within the 200t riverfront area because

51:53of that brook.

51:56Um we do show proposed erosion control

52:00on site as well. It's

52:02a little bit hard to see on the site

52:03plan. Admittedly, there are a lot of

52:05lines. Um, but we are proposing to uh

52:09install silt fence and straw waddle for

52:12roach control. It's my understanding

52:14though that's what the commission

52:15typically uses. Um, and right now we

52:19have the roach control kind of lining

52:21the western, northern and and eastern

52:24sides of the construction area um to

52:27catch any

52:29any sediment. Um during construction,

52:33we don't have any endangered species on

52:35site, no vernal pools. Um

52:40and another kind of big aspect of our

52:43design is our storm water design. Um

52:47Juliet was pretty heavily involved in in

52:48the storm water aspect. So I'll throw it

52:50over to you Juliet for a couple couple

52:52minutes of a specific discussion of

52:56storm water.

52:58>> Thank you Katie. Um yeah, so as Katie

53:02mentioned, the dark brook runs to the

53:04east of the site and with the original

53:08grading of the site, uh runoff from

53:10storm water would flow northeast towards

53:14the brook. Um so we really wanted to

53:17keep that uh natural flow in mind with

53:22um our proposed design. Um there's also

53:26uh groundwater is relatively shallow

53:29here. So that was also a considering

53:31factor. Uh ultimately we created a a

53:36two-part system. So the first part of

53:40the system is um going to be capturing

53:42all of the runoff from the new proposed

53:46water treatment facility. Um it's a

53:48non-metal roof and that's going to be

53:51just captured with um gutter systems and

53:55directed into a buried uh drywall in the

53:59driveway which is outlined here. Um the

54:02rest of the site runoff will be uh

54:06directed northward. So the whole site is

54:08going to be graded so that the southern

54:11side is slightly higher than the

54:14northern side. Um, and there will be

54:16pre-cast concrete BMS placed on the

54:19western and southern sides of the gravel

54:22driveway and then an asphalt um built up

54:25to the east of the paved driveway which

54:28will direct the storm water all to the

54:31northern side of the site. They'll be

54:34captured by a uh three- foot wide

54:37concrete swale

54:39and they are directed um sloping on the

54:43east side to the west and on the west

54:45side to the east towards the center to

54:47this 16-in um HDPE pipe. Um from there

54:53it's going to be directed to a

54:56hydrodnamic separator to remove uh

55:00suspended solids and then from there

55:02into a buried CMP

55:05um infiltration chamber system. The

55:08basis of design was using contact

55:10devices um their cascade separators and

55:14their 36-in perforated CMP um

55:18infiltration

55:20devices. Um and those are sized to

55:25handle flows up to the 20ear storm in

55:27accordance with mass D regulations. Um

55:30beyond that there is an overflow

55:35installed to the east of the uh

55:37infiltration system which will discharge

55:40into a rip wrap channel to prevent um

55:43scour and then directed to the dark

55:46brook.

55:49Perfect.

55:52Thanks, Julia. Yeah, that's kind of our

55:54high level look at the project. Um,

55:57opening it up to any additional comments

56:00from from Greg or any questions from

56:01from the commission.

56:03>> Any questions?

56:05>> I have no questions. No, they did a good

56:08job. Um, it's a tight little site. Um

56:10we're trying to made the building as

56:12small as possible, but it's uh it is a

56:14big site because of the size of the

56:16filters and the the backwash basins and

56:19triggered a lot of storm water

56:21management um of the surface water

56:23runoff. So uh they did a good job and

56:25now we're getting we're moving down the

56:27path to get this uh ready for bid. Okay.

56:30>> And with the approval process with the

56:31towns.

56:32>> So what is the maintenance schedule for

56:34the PAS filters?

56:38there the the filters are going to have

56:40lead lag. So we'll have redundancy. So

56:42once um the concentration of the PEOS

56:46within the the GAC filters exceeds that

56:49will be taken offline a secondary backup

56:52unit will be put off and then we will

56:54regenerate have sorry have that removed

56:56from site and new uh filter media put

56:59back in.

56:59>> And what what are the filters made out

57:01of if you know

57:03>> the filters themselves are 12t diameter

57:06steel um vessels. Okay.

57:10>> Yeah.

57:11>> Um and then the the GAC gets taken off

57:14site for thermal destruction by the by

57:16the vendor.

57:17>> Okay.

57:17>> And we don't know what that change out

57:19frequency is because every site's

57:21different. Um so it could it could be

57:23every once a year. It could be every few

57:25years. We really don't know um because

57:28each site's water chemistry is a little

57:29different how the GAC filters.

57:31>> I mean are there any studies that talk

57:33about the success or the removal rate um

57:35of the filters? Is it 85% 90%.

57:40>> Oh, it'll be zero. Yeah. I mean, the

57:42currently the the standard for the PO

57:44and POS is four parts per trillion.

57:46>> Okay.

57:46>> And that's why we have to we we're

57:49currently in the teens. So, since we're

57:50above the four, we have to basically

57:52have that down to zero.

57:54>> Understood.

57:54>> Okay. Uh I'd like to take a look.

57:59>> Think makes sense.

58:00>> I would too. But I will say

58:03>> we can't

58:04>> as you was already here for 15 horse

58:06gravel road. Would that gravel wetland

58:10filtration work for something like this?

58:14Uh I'll let Juliet take care of that. I

58:16don't I don't know if they were here for

58:17that part.

58:18>> No, they're still there.

58:19>> They were

58:20>> I don't know if they were here for

58:21>> they probably just I was just just an

58:24idea.

58:24>> I don't know if that site's big enough

58:26for that. Yeah, because because the

58:27reason we'd like this to be underground

58:28is so we can utilize the site just just

58:31from accessing it with deliveries of

58:33chemicals and um we currently store some

58:35pipes over there. So we we'd like to

58:38have the storm water infiltration

58:39covered and we wouldn't have that

58:41ability with the the gravel wetland.

58:45>> Probably that would be the answer.

58:46>> Yeah.

58:48>> Okay. Any other questions from the

58:51commission?

58:53Any questions from the audience? None of

58:55this one, right? Okay. Um, so, all

58:58right. In that case, can I have a motion

58:59to continue the public hearing for um,

59:04>> Yep. Uh, I make a motion to continue the

59:07public hearing to October 28th for uh,

59:1276 Church Street.

59:14>> Okay. Um,

59:15>> at 10 at 7:15.

59:18>> Yeah. When we say 7:15.

59:20>> Okay. Is there a second?

59:22>> A second.

59:23>> Is there any discussion?

59:25All those in favor say I.

59:27>> I.

59:28>> Opposed. It's a vote. All right. Uh,

59:31thank you very much for your

59:32presentation. Um, I think we're going to

59:34try to make certainly we'll make site

59:35watch between now and our next van on

59:38the 28th depending on the availability

59:40of the commissioners and uh, we'll see

59:43you in two weeks.

59:44>> Please reach out to me. That is a fenced

59:46in area. It's secure because of our our

59:48our water supply wells. So, we need

59:50permission.

59:51>> I'll be happy to open up and walk you

59:53through it. It's a very small site, but

59:55he will be back. I would prefer if you

59:57let me know that

59:58>> you don't want us to jump the fence. In

59:58other words,

59:59>> sorry.

59:59>> You don't want us to jump the fence.

1:00:01>> No, I'd like to see that. [laughter]

1:00:03>> I'm not.

1:00:05>> So, all right. We'll we'll be in touch

1:00:07when we want to go out there.

1:00:08>> Yeah. Okay. Thank you very much,

1:00:09everybody. Have a good night.

1:00:11>> Thank you.

1:00:11>> Thank you. Thank you. Have a good night.

1:00:16>> You can leave the game.

1:00:17>> Okay.

1:00:17>> Just leave the

1:00:19>> I don't think so.

1:00:19>> I don't think that's

1:00:21okay. Um all right

1:00:25and relax the next.

1:00:26>> Okay.

1:00:30So for other business

1:00:34we have received the kind of um drainage

1:00:37detail for the rock for that temporary

1:00:40um erosion control

1:00:43uh from greenhouse engineering. So, I've

1:00:46had my superiors look at it and they

1:00:47want the commission to take a look

1:00:49before sending it off to um 47 Rock and

1:00:52Road for them to implement.

1:00:54>> Oh, in

1:00:54>> case you guys had any comment.

1:00:56>> So, in this

1:00:57>> Yes.

1:00:58>> Okay. So, I think these gentlemen are

1:01:00here uh for that. Um you probably also

1:01:03would like to know where um D is on

1:01:06their review

1:01:08and I can tell you um apparently Mr.

1:01:11Marinus has finally submitted all the

1:01:13materials that D wanted and so um my

1:01:17understanding is that it everything that

1:01:20D needs to review they have. Um the

1:01:23review is not complete yet. Um they say

1:01:25will be done soon.

1:01:29>> Did she respond to you after your

1:01:31request this morning?

1:01:32>> Yes, she responded almost immediately

1:01:34after saying it could

1:01:35>> I can even read it to you because I got

1:01:36a copy.

1:01:37>> Yes, you you were CC on that.

1:01:38>> You'll bear with me. Yes, this is what

1:01:40it said. Um it say this is from Brianna

1:01:42Wiggle. Hi Net Mass DP just received all

1:01:45requested information on Friday, October

1:01:479, 2026. We are still conducting our

1:01:50review. Once a determination has been

1:01:52made, all parties will be informed. If

1:01:54you have any questions, please reach out

1:01:56to me. Thank you. So, um again, if

1:02:00you're looking for some indication when

1:02:02that review is going to be completed,

1:02:04it's not in that email.

1:02:05>> Yeah, that was the question. But I mean,

1:02:07I would imagine um it shouldn't take too

1:02:10long. I'd like to think that they've

1:02:11been kind of reviewing it.

1:02:13>> This is now wood. Um

1:02:16>> okay. My thought is that um it shouldn't

1:02:19take that much longer because hopefully

1:02:21they've they've been doing doing a

1:02:23periodic review and as she's had

1:02:25questions, she's contacted Mike Marinus

1:02:27who's provided her with additional

1:02:28information. So

1:02:31that's all I can say to you gentlemen.

1:02:34I think the I think the the light is at

1:02:36the end of the tunnel.

1:02:38>> Moving forward, just very quickly, um,

1:02:40winter is right around the corner.

1:02:42>> That's right.

1:02:43>> There were some conditions in your

1:02:46report that

1:02:47>> in our order of conditions.

1:02:49>> Yeah.

1:02:49>> Which you appealed.

1:02:51>> Snow re

1:02:53snow removal.

1:02:54>> Right.

1:02:55>> We had we had to do that

1:02:57>> to get on to stay in the project. We

1:03:00well we normally put in um a specific a

1:03:04specific condition of no um snow storage

1:03:07within 100 ft of the welds. That's

1:03:08standard and we use that on many of our

1:03:10projects. Um and I I think to your point

1:03:14um I think that's something they would

1:03:16have to comply with um this winter as

1:03:18well. I tend to believe and again I

1:03:21might be wrong but I think their DP's

1:03:23review is going to and their decision is

1:03:25going to be made before [clears throat]

1:03:27the onset of winter. I mean, I like to

1:03:29think it'll we'll have something by

1:03:31November, you know, that's in a couple

1:03:33weeks, but hopefully something soon,

1:03:36>> you know, hope.

1:03:37>> And I I would tend to think that if for

1:03:38some reason they are if um if they are

1:03:42storing

1:03:44snow within 100 ft of the wellland, I

1:03:46think that would be give us grounds to,

1:03:49you know, bring an enforcement order

1:03:50against him.

1:03:52>> So,

1:03:54any other questions?

1:03:55>> I do. Um Tim Dailyaly, by the way.

1:03:57>> Hi, Tim. Um,

1:03:59so how is that going to work with the D

1:04:02and you folks?

1:04:04>> Well, D is going to tell us whether or

1:04:05not they're going to sustain your

1:04:06appeal, your appeal of our order of

1:04:08conditions. So, I don't know what

1:04:10they're going to do. I really don't. You

1:04:12know, they uh and just so you know, they

1:04:14have not um the their their review is

1:04:18totally independent of what we've done.

1:04:20I mean basically they're um they have

1:04:23not they have not included us in their

1:04:26decision-m

1:04:28uh I mean I'm not even sure they

1:04:30included us in their factf finding

1:04:31really you know I think they've um they

1:04:34had a request for additional information

1:04:36which they I think Marinus uh provided

1:04:39and that's really it. So to to to answer

1:04:41your question, I don't know what they're

1:04:43going to do. You know, I'm not sure. And

1:04:45I guess we'll, you know, we'll all find

1:04:47out at the same time.

1:04:51Okay.

1:04:53All right. Anything else?

1:04:56>> Okay.

1:04:58>> Well, thank you for coming.

1:05:00>> You want us to stay just so you won't

1:05:02feel [laughter]

1:05:04for the rest of the show? We could wait

1:05:06until the 28th.

1:05:07>> I'm fine. I'm fine. Thanks a lot for

1:05:09that. So, I'm sorry. What who wants us

1:05:12to do what with this?

1:05:13>> So, I sent this over to Paul and he

1:05:15wanted you guys to take a look and if

1:05:17you had any comments before sending it

1:05:19over to Rock Monroe to be recommended.

1:05:22>> No, I mean, you know, Mr. Walsh, who was

1:05:24here earlier, um he's familiar with the

1:05:27site. I I have the utmost respect for

1:05:29his um his expertise and so it looks

1:05:32good to me.

1:05:32>> Yep. Is it I just naively asked is this

1:05:37obvious from this and how this should be

1:05:39implemented based on this? I mean it's

1:05:42not is this all that's going to be sent

1:05:44over because it's not really showing

1:05:46like okay where does this go or is that

1:05:49supposed to be obvious? It's not obvious

1:05:50to me but that's me.

1:05:52>> It's not obvious to me either.

1:05:53>> Yeah.

1:05:54>> And does it go along without order of

1:05:56conditions or does it go along what

1:05:58>> Well, technically the order of

1:05:59conditions is not appealing. This is

1:06:01intended to address the issues of um

1:06:05[clears throat] of um water going down

1:06:08the raceway. So I think in and and to

1:06:11that extent it this is understood or Mr.

1:06:13Marinus understand that this is intended

1:06:15to deal with that that issue.

1:06:17>> But like where does it go

1:06:19>> to where the water is sheeting down

1:06:22>> to where they currently have like a silt

1:06:24fence that is kind of like blocking the

1:06:27kind of intermediate stream that

1:06:28>> and that will be like communicated along

1:06:30with this. I'm just I'm just trying to

1:06:33make sure that

1:06:34>> when this is sent over

1:06:37there

1:06:38>> that

1:06:39>> there's one particular area they're

1:06:41having problems with right now. Yes.

1:06:43Right.

1:06:43>> Yes.

1:06:44>> They've been maintaining what little um

1:06:46silt fence they have, but it's been so

1:06:48much water is conveyed over there, it

1:06:50just overwhelms the one silt fence.

1:06:53>> Like, will there be a narrative with

1:06:54this that says, you know,

1:06:57>> well, we can give them one.

1:06:59>> I'm just for clarity.

1:07:03>> [clears throat]

1:07:04>> So, it seems to me that the narrative

1:07:06that would accompany this would be the

1:07:09installation of this um erosion control

1:07:12detail along the raceway in those areas

1:07:15which have been overwhelmed by by runoff

1:07:19um and previous storms.

1:07:22How's that sound?

1:07:25Okay. Well, they're shaking their heads,

1:07:27so I guess they like it. Um yeah, I mean

1:07:30I think something along along those

1:07:32lines. I think we can do that in the

1:07:33form of a letter to Mr. Marinus.

1:07:36>> Okay.

1:07:37>> And I hope

1:07:37>> downgradient side the sentiment

1:07:40and

1:07:41>> they they're aware of the area. So

1:07:42>> yeah, it says it right here.

1:07:44>> So they should understand.

1:07:46>> Okay.

1:07:46>> And if they don't then they you know we

1:07:49get involved again. So gentlemen, we

1:07:51will take care of this though. We'll

1:07:53make sure they get this and that they

1:07:54understand the copy of that. It's posted

1:07:57on the chat website, but you can steal

1:07:58mine for now.

1:08:01>> Okay. Thank you.

1:08:03>> You're welcome.

1:08:04>> So, I I have one last question.

1:08:06>> You sure?

1:08:08>> I'm sorry, Tim.

1:08:09>> No, no, no.

1:08:12All the information.

1:08:13>> Go ahead, Tim. What is it?

1:08:14>> We um how do we discuss what he wrote

1:08:17back if we don't agree with it?

1:08:20>> Um then, sir, you you can always contact

1:08:24council for that.

1:08:25>> Yeah.

1:08:27Seriously? Yeah. Really? I mean, I I'm

1:08:29first of all, I'm not sure even what

1:08:31you're asking when you say if you

1:08:32disagree with I'm not sure what you're

1:08:35disagreeing with. So, um I mean I in all

1:08:38seriousness when the decision is

1:08:40rendered um will we have a hearing on

1:08:43that? We may have a hearing on that. I

1:08:45just can't say because I haven't seen

1:08:46it. I don't know what they're going to

1:08:47do.

1:08:47>> Right. So I think um and and frankly if

1:08:51you are dissatisfa with their decision

1:08:54um you know we can't we cannot give you

1:08:58advice. I mean we are we are really

1:09:00impartial. We're the um sort of the

1:09:03referee I guess here and we you know we

1:09:05apply the law um as we understand it the

1:09:08best way we think it applies and um if

1:09:11you're grieved by that you know you have

1:09:14other recourse I guess.

1:09:17Okay,

1:09:18>> perfect. All right. Thank you.

1:09:20>> All right. You're welcome.

1:09:24>> Have a great night.

1:09:25>> You, too.

1:09:32>> Okay.

1:09:34>> Um,

1:09:38try to get us out of here.

1:09:40>> Um, okay. The second item for discussion

1:09:42is the the environmental consultants

1:09:45proposal for the South Street erosion

1:09:47review report. So Nat, you want to tell

1:09:49us about that?

1:09:50>> Yes. So I reached out to Sean Callahan.

1:09:52Um he was able to one not have a

1:09:55conflict of interest and he was able to

1:09:57provide this company report um for what

1:10:00he'd be able to do and importantly how

1:10:03much it cost. Um so I wanted to get get

1:10:05y'all's approval on this before we sign

1:10:07it off.

1:10:08>> Okay. Now, who will actually sign on

1:10:10behalf of um the town? Will that be um

1:10:14the town manager?

1:10:15>> Yeah.

1:10:16>> Yeah. That'd be

1:10:17>> okay. Um you know, I've reviewed it. Um

1:10:22I mean, I'll be interested to see what

1:10:24the findings are. So, um,

1:10:28uh, I would ask for a motion to, I

1:10:31guess, approve the proposal by view

1:10:34design to, um, look at South Street and

1:10:38determine, uh, if any erosion has

1:10:40occurred because of the activity of

1:10:42Lynch and constructing or redoing the

1:10:46road on South Street.

1:10:49>> Can I still move that?

1:10:51>> And also Church Street.

1:10:53>> Yeah. when I was communicating with him,

1:10:55it was um confirmed that it was both

1:10:57church and south.

1:10:58>> Sir, question.

1:10:59>> Still moved.

1:11:00>> Yeah.

1:11:01>> Motion.

1:11:02>> Yeah. Okay. So, all right.

1:11:03>> I'll second that. [clears throat]

1:11:04>> Is there any discussion?

1:11:06>> Uh all those in favor say I.

1:11:07>> I. I.

1:11:08>> Opposed.

1:11:09>> I. It's a vote. All right. Great.

1:11:13>> And then failing a rush control

1:11:16barriers.

1:11:17>> Is this the one that's across the street

1:11:19from 190 Washington?

1:11:21>> Yes. So that is 50 Washington Street. I

1:11:23thought it was 150.

1:11:24>> No, that is that is it's 190 and then

1:11:27immediately 50.

1:11:28>> So 50 is the area well below the rate of

1:11:31>> I've always thought that was 150. That's

1:11:33why

1:11:34>> and so um I don't know when they leveled

1:11:36it out. It's been what maybe a few weeks

1:11:39>> they've been working on it. Um but one

1:11:40of the abutters of this property reached

1:11:42out to me with concerns of Ro. She

1:11:44showed me she showed me a video.

1:11:45Unfortunately she couldn't send it over

1:11:46to me but it was water sheeting down

1:11:48just going right underneath that silk

1:11:50fence. There is it's the sentiment's all

1:11:53>> it is right there.

1:11:54>> Yeah, I I was able to go out there soon

1:11:56afterwards and you can see that it's

1:11:57just kind of like floating there. Um

1:11:59>> we've had not with 50 Washington Street

1:12:01but at 190 we've had issues

1:12:02>> Yeah.

1:12:03>> with the rush control measures failing

1:12:05or not being maintained. So um um having

1:12:09said that, is there a motion to issue uh

1:12:11an enforcement order?

1:12:13>> I move to issue an enforcement order for

1:12:1550 Washington Street.

1:12:17>> Second.

1:12:18>> Okay. Is there any discussion?

1:12:22>> [clears throat]

1:12:22>> All those in favor say I. I.

1:12:25>> Opposed. It's a vote. So I think in in

1:12:28terms of the order, we want them to um

1:12:31to reestablish the erosion controls uh

1:12:34ASAP

1:12:36and [clears throat] we want them to

1:12:37provide us with photographic evidence.

1:12:39They've done so. And we want that I want

1:12:41that done by the 28th. I don't want to

1:12:43wait on this.

1:12:45And if they have any questions, they

1:12:46know who to contact. Mhm.

1:12:48>> Could we add the chicken wire or the

1:12:52>> Oh, yeah.

1:12:52>> to it. Is it Does that make the motion

1:12:55or

1:12:56>> Well, it doesn't

1:12:58>> cuz they're going to be there for the

1:13:00order, right?

1:13:01>> We already The problem is that we amend.

1:13:05>> So, I think the answer is no.

1:13:07>> Got it.

1:13:07>> But I think proactively we could do it,

1:13:09but not retroactively.

1:13:11>> But I like your I like your thinking on

1:13:13that and I think that's something we're

1:13:14going to do

1:13:15>> especially on that one because there's

1:13:16all those stones all around it. That's

1:13:18just going to keeping

1:13:20>> That's a very steep slope, too. So, you

1:13:21got that. Okay. Um, meeting minutes.

1:13:58Uh, okay. I'm getting ahead of myself,

1:14:00but

1:14:02it won't be. So page one, two, three,

1:14:06four, page five where it talks about um

1:14:10the motion for the enforcement for 510

1:14:12[snorts] Washington Street

1:14:15and I wrote it says here I stated or

1:14:17noted the commission cannot hire Mr.

1:14:19Rockwood due to bias. I it's not bias,

1:14:22it's conflict of interest.

1:14:23>> Conflict of interest. I can change that

1:14:24real quick.

1:14:27>> What makes it bias?

1:14:29Well, if I mean I think he has

1:14:32>> technically he's in a butter.

1:14:33>> Yeah, that's right. But I'm not sure.

1:14:35You can be in a butter um and not be

1:14:39biased towards a project. He has a

1:14:40conflict of interest because there

1:14:41there's an appearance where he he lives

1:14:44near there that you might have a bias.

1:14:46Do you understand the difference?

1:14:48>> No.

1:14:49>> So I think um yeah, it's a conflict of

1:14:51interest or pot even potential conflict

1:14:54of interest is even better.

1:15:14And aside from that, I have no other

1:15:16changes.

1:15:24Um

1:15:26motion to accept the meeting minutes for

1:15:28September 23rd, 2026.

1:15:30>> As amended.

1:15:32>> As amended.

1:15:33>> Is there a second?

1:15:34>> I second.

1:15:35>> Any discussion? All those in favor say

1:15:37I.

1:15:38>> I.

1:15:39>> I.

1:15:39>> Opposed. It's a vote. All right.

1:15:42[clears throat]

1:15:42>> So, we have some requests of

1:15:44determination applicability that I think

1:15:46we can dispose of fairly quickly.

1:15:49Um for 14 Rotary Road, Jeff Creek Pike.

1:15:53Is there a motion?

1:15:56>> Negative is a termination.

1:15:57>> Okay.

1:15:58>> With erosion and sedimentation.

1:16:01>> Exactly.

1:16:01>> Around stock.

1:16:02>> Very good.

1:16:04>> Yeah. Is there a second?

1:16:05>> I second.

1:16:06>> Is there any discussion?

1:16:08>> All those in favor say I.

1:16:10>> I.

1:16:10>> I. I.

1:16:11>> Post it. Okay. for

1:16:1526 [clears throat] Riverside Drive. Um

1:16:18Ted Olson uh the tree that he wants to

1:16:20remove. Is there a motion?

1:16:21>> I make a motion to issue a negative

1:16:24determination for 26 Riverside

1:16:28Drive.

1:16:29>> Okay. Is there a second?

1:16:31>> Second. Okay. Any discussion?

1:16:35All those in favor say I.

1:16:36>> I. I.

1:16:37>> Opposed. It's a vote. Okay. With respect

1:16:41to um we're going to we've continued the

1:16:45public hearing for 190 Washington

1:16:46Street, for uh 369 South Bridge, for 76

1:16:52Church Street, and then for the order

1:16:56conditions for 15 Harts Gravel Road, my

1:16:59preference would be to um we have 21

1:17:02days to issue the decision unless

1:17:04there's um a strong objection. My

1:17:07preference would be to continue this to

1:17:08our next hearing. Is he looking for that

1:17:11though for the meeting for the 27th?

1:17:13>> Actually, he is. So, delay that order.

1:17:16Be bully that suggestion.

1:17:18>> All right.

1:17:19>> All right. [clears throat] So, who wants

1:17:20to who wants to hear this?

1:17:22>> Could we have a a vote for me to be

1:17:24chair again? [laughter]

1:17:30>> Sure.

1:17:32>> Sa dance.

1:17:33>> Power.

1:17:33>> I like the power. You're going You're

1:17:35doing this for 15 minutes.

1:17:37>> Are you No. Are you serious? I'm so

1:17:39serious.

1:17:40>> Okay.

1:17:41>> You're really you're really good at it.

1:17:42>> Thank you.

1:17:43>> Well, I've been doing it with fitters.

1:17:46>> Um, [clears throat]

1:17:47you know, if you want to propose the

1:17:49motion or have someone propose the

1:17:51motion, have

1:17:54>> I make a motion to

1:17:57have Ricky Risme as chairman for

1:18:00conservation commission. Is that how it

1:18:02works? No.

1:18:03>> Temporary.

1:18:04>> Temporary. Temporary chairman

1:18:06>> for for the sole purpose. It's like a

1:18:08crude det sole purpose of um a

1:18:11determination regarding 15 hearts

1:18:13scramble road.

1:18:14>> Still moved.

1:18:15>> Yeah.

1:18:16>> So, so

1:18:18moved. So moved.

1:18:19>> That's still moved.

1:18:20>> So moved.

1:18:21>> Okay. Is there a second?

1:18:22>> I'll second that.

1:18:24>> Is there any discussion?

1:18:26>> All those in favor say I.

1:18:27>> I.

1:18:28>> I. Post. It's a vote.

1:18:30>> Okay.

1:18:31>> All right. Ricky, you're a temporary

1:18:32chairman.

1:18:33>> Okay. Good.

1:18:35>> So, Mike, [clears throat] you got no

1:18:37nope. You got to fill the shoes now. You

1:18:38have to say.

1:18:40>> Come on.

1:18:42>> You got to walk the walk and talk the

1:18:43talk.

1:18:43>> What's the What's the

1:18:45>> a vote?

1:18:46>> Can I have a motion for 15 Hard Scrabble

1:18:50Road?

1:18:51>> Uh I'll make a motion for 15 Hard

1:18:53Scrabble Road. Our standard conditions

1:18:56plus our the following

1:18:59special conditions. If I can find my

1:19:01special conditions. Thank you.

1:19:03>> You're welcome.

1:19:04>> Okay. So standard order plus the

1:19:07following crash conditions one two three

1:19:13um

1:19:16five

1:19:17I don't know if there's any rip wrap. I

1:19:20don't think so. Um 8 9

1:19:2911

1:19:3513

1:19:39and I would actually amend 13 to be uh

1:19:43uh semianually

1:19:45or more often as um called for by the

1:19:48applicant.

1:19:57Uh 15.

1:20:09Uh 20

1:20:1924.

1:20:31Uh 27. Although we probably won't have

1:20:33to do that.

1:20:41And that'll do it.

1:20:48>> Ricky.

1:20:49>> Um,

1:20:50>> I made my motion.

1:20:51>> Yes.

1:20:52>> What's the next step?

1:20:53>> I don't remember.

1:20:54>> Um,

1:20:56all those in favor?

1:20:57>> No.

1:20:58>> No. No.

1:20:58>> Oh. Is there a second?

1:21:01>> No. The vote.

1:21:02>> Is there a second?

1:21:03>> Is there a second? Someone second.

1:21:06>> I'll second it.

1:21:07>> Mark Beu.

1:21:09>> All those All those in favor?

1:21:11>> I I

1:21:13>> All right. It's a vote.

1:21:14>> Okay.

1:21:15>> Perfect.

1:21:16>> Okay.

1:21:16>> I make a motion to

1:21:19>> Oh,

1:21:19>> reinstate Mark uh Mike as head chairman

1:21:24for his foreseeable future.

1:21:27>> Um,

1:21:29>> you know, we're gonna have to come up

1:21:30with a script so that it's not so

1:21:31awkward. Okay.

1:21:33>> All right. [clears throat] Is there a

1:21:34second to Go ahead.

1:21:36>> Is there a second?

1:21:37>> A second.

1:21:38>> Yes.

1:21:38>> Second.

1:21:39>> They must think we're idiots. Um,

1:21:41>> all those in favor?

1:21:42>> I

1:21:43>> I

1:21:44>> All right. It's a vote.

1:21:45>> Yay.

1:21:46>> Okay. All right. Uh, thank you for

1:21:48reinstating me.

1:21:51>> I was really concerned there for a

1:21:53minute.

1:21:53>> Actually, I don't have the thing, but

1:21:57um,

1:21:59can we check the rip thing on that? I

1:22:01should have said that before. I don't

1:22:03think there's rip wrap.

1:22:04>> No.

1:22:04>> In the wetlands,

1:22:05>> the alcohol of the uh pipes through

1:22:08these.

1:22:08>> I think that there is.

1:22:09>> I think there is.

1:22:10>> And if there is, then there has to be an

1:22:12additional condition which is

1:22:17>> the four pipes.

1:22:19>> Oh, they come across the road.

1:22:22All right.

1:22:24>> Okay. Hold on.

1:22:26Uh number seven then.

1:22:29[clears throat]

1:22:32Right. So,

1:22:34>> can I make the

1:22:36>> Yeah, you can. Please, please.

1:22:38>> I make Wait, sorry. Which was what was

1:22:41the

1:22:42>> It's 15 Hearts Gravel Road.

1:22:44>> No, sorry. What's the the item that the

1:22:46special condition?

1:22:47>> It's number seven.

1:22:48>> Number seven.

1:22:49>> Yeah.

1:22:50>> Okay. I make a motion to amend the order

1:22:54of conditions for 15 Hard Scrabble Road

1:22:57to add special condition number seven.

1:23:00>> Perfect. Second.

1:23:02>> Okay. Is there any discussion? All those

1:23:04in favor say I.

1:23:05>> I. Opposed. It's a vote. All right. Is

1:23:08there a motion to adjurnn?

1:23:10>> Move to adjourn.

1:23:11>> Is there a second?

1:23:13>> I second.

1:23:13>> Second. Is there any discussion? There

1:23:15never is. All those in favor say I.

1:23:17>> I.

1:23:18>> Post vote. All right, everyone. Thank

1:23:20you very much. All right.

1:23:22>> Thank you, Ricky.