2026-09-03 - Library Trustees

00:05[music]

00:05This conference will now be recorded.

00:10>> Are we good?

00:10>> We're good.

00:11>> Okay,

00:12>> we're good.

00:12>> Uh, good evening. This is Mary Dorsy,

00:14chair of the Auburn Public Library Board

00:16of Trustees. I'm calling our AR Auburn

00:18Public Library Board of Trustees meeting

00:19to order at 6:30 p.m. on on Thursday,

00:22September uh 3rd, 2026. This is an open

00:26hybrid meeting of the Auburn Public

00:27Library Board of Trustees. It's being

00:29recorded by the Auburn Public Li in the

00:31Auburn Public Library Miam room. Please

00:34note that this meeting is being recorded

00:35by Aub Auburn cable vision. Is anyone

00:38else recording the meeting? The agenda

00:40for this meeting was posted on the

00:42Auburn Town website on Friday, August

00:4428th, 2026 that included the link and

00:47dialup information to access this

00:49meeting remotely. Permit me to confirm

00:51that members of this body and persons

00:53anticipated on the agenda are are

00:55present. Members, when I call your name,

00:56please respond in the affirmative. Matt

00:58To

00:59>> present.

00:59>> Erica Bree Soccer

01:00>> present.

01:01>> Vera Karine

01:02>> present.

01:02>> Nan Johnson

01:04>> present.

01:04>> Lindseay Baker

01:05>> present.

01:05>> And I'm Mary Dorsian present. Uh APL

01:08staff when I call your name please

01:10respond in the affirmative. Michael

01:11Zeller

01:12>> here.

01:13>> Molly Heler

01:14>> here.

01:14>> Awesome. Thank you. Uh we're going to

01:17move right to the beginning of the

01:19agenda um to review the minutes.

01:24>> Do we have minutes?

01:24>> Nope.

01:25>> We don't have Okay, we don't. Thank you.

01:27I'm sorry.

01:28>> No, no, no. You sent me something and I

01:29was in I was in a rush.

01:30>> Totally fine.

01:31>> So, we're going to table that for the

01:32next meeting. Um, the item number two,

01:36no public comment because I want to save

01:38that for number four as as a discussion

01:40item before we move forward. Uh, item

01:43number three, we're going to I need to a

01:47motion to vote to have Alex Castro from

01:50me, Taylor, and Costa take over the

01:52handling of the recent OML violation

01:55complaint. Do I have a motion?

01:57>> So moved.

01:58>> So moved is one. Do I second?

02:00>> Second.

02:00>> Going to do a roll call. Matt is yes.

02:03Erica,

02:03>> yes.

02:04>> Vera,

02:04>> yes.

02:05>> Nan,

02:05>> yes.

02:06>> Lindsay,

02:06>> yes.

02:07>> Mary, yes. So that's unanimous. Um item

02:10number four, uh public comment. I wanted

02:14to bring this up uh to discuss with the

02:17board that the the having a public

02:19comment is really a good faith effort to

02:22have a safe space and an opportunity for

02:24community input. and moving forward. And

02:27the last and we've had a few sessions

02:29where that wasn't the case that that um

02:33public comment was sort of utilized to

02:35say aha or gotcha. And I wanted to

02:37discuss with the board how we handle

02:39that moving forward. Are we still having

02:42open comment? Should should I as the

02:44chair um take the you know um pause it

02:49and ask the person not to continue? How

02:51do we move forward? because the

02:52intention of it is really a positive

02:55>> opportunity.

02:56>> So, I'm going to weigh in on this

02:57because there was actually a

02:58Massachusetts Supreme Court ruling on

03:00this. We cannot in any way censor public

03:03comment. To do so violates um article 19

03:07of the Massachusetts state constitution.

03:10>> We can have public comment. We can opt

03:12not to have public comment. We can put a

03:14time limit on it. We can ask people to

03:16sign up for public comment or what have

03:17you. Uh but that's it. people can say

03:20anything they want and it is expressly

03:22uh written in article 19 that they can

03:27>> redress wrongdoings done to them or air

03:30any grievances that they suffer

03:32>> in addition to all the good stuff. So by

03:34definition no safe space and no

03:36restrictions,

03:36>> right?

03:37>> Okay. Well, couldn't we ask that they uh

03:40send a request to have to be uh to make

03:45a public comment as what the topic is?

03:48>> Did you say to

03:49>> Yeah,

03:52>> I don't know honestly. So, South Burough

03:54was sued. That's what the ruling came

03:56out of and that's a 2023 ruling because

03:58they put some frameworks around a safe

04:01space, respectable conversation, what

04:03have you. and that was that apparently

04:06did not fly. So, I guess we could have

04:08people I don't know. We would have to

04:10ask town council if we could have people

04:12sign up in advance.

04:13>> Um, but I don't think that we can

04:15restrict it beyond that. And we

04:17certainly can't say, "Well, no, we're

04:19not going to recognize you because we

04:20don't like your content because that is

04:23in violation to the whole purpose of

04:25having public comment."

04:27If if the person were right ahead of

04:29time, [clears throat] there may be times

04:30when when uh the chair could ask

04:33somebody on the board who might know

04:34something about that topic or what

04:36happened or ask Mike or something else

04:38so that you can at least be prepared.

04:41>> I think I think the one the note is that

04:44during the public comment period, no one

04:45on the board is meant to respond to what

04:47is said during meeting. We can take a

04:49vote

04:50>> during meeting to move to a next meeting

04:53to discuss address whatever but we can

04:56easier.

04:56>> Yeah. And so I think it's more you do it

04:58after the fact to address anything that

05:01comes up. Um and that also gives time to

05:04make sure that we are above board in

05:06that response in that approach. So

05:08that's yeah I think that's the tactic.

05:10>> Okay. I'm fine with that.

05:12>> We don't need to have that open comment

05:13though. I just want to be very clear

05:15that's something that was requested from

05:17a member of the community so I added it

05:19but in prior um meetings we did not have

05:22open comment.

05:23>> So the other thing is we really haven't

05:26over all the years we really haven't had

05:27very many people that wanted to

05:30>> to come to the board to ask a question.

05:32I suppose if somebody said that they

05:34wanted to not not that night but some

05:37other ahead of time. So it so going back

05:41to your question before maybe not

05:44sending the comment but but in advance

05:46letting the chair know that they would

05:48like to come and have open comment.

05:49>> Yeah.

05:50>> I mean the MLC recommends public comment

05:53and we are all elected into our

05:54positions, right? So this is the

05:56opportunity for the community to come in

05:58and say whether they don't like how

06:00something with the library works or

06:02whether they particularly like it or

06:03whether they don't like how we're doing

06:04something. as as people elected by the

06:07community, we have to give them an

06:09opportunity to give us feedback even

06:11when it's not nice.

06:12>> That's just a part of it. And you know,

06:14as as as

06:16somebody with a background of public

06:18service, you know, people will come and

06:20they will yell at you. That's just part

06:21and parcel of the role.

06:23>> And we give them an opportunity to

06:25speak. We say thank you. If it's

06:27something that warrants further

06:28discussion, like an issue we can

06:29actually address versus just a general

06:33uh complaint that can't be helped, we

06:35can absolutely bring that up later.

06:38>> Yeah, I think what Lindsay said that

06:39works fine for me to do it that way or

06:42just not even have it on the

06:44>> the uh agenda. Either way is okay with

06:47me because if people want to, they'll

06:49ask,

06:50>> but it's it's all right. I don't know.

06:51I'm okay with

06:53>> Does the board want open comment?

06:55>> Absolutely. Yes.

06:56>> Okay. Very good. Any other comments

06:58about that?

07:00>> I I think just um sign having a sign up

07:02is complicated and I first I just think

07:05functionally that's going to prove

07:07difficult especially because there's

07:08different methods. We are online, we're

07:11in person. I I'm just worried that

07:13that's going to add like some a layer of

07:15complexity to it. To your point about

07:18we've had very few of these and yeah, I

07:21mean it is it's it it is what it is. We

07:23just have to take it.

07:24>> Okay. Well, again, we don't have to take

07:27it because like you said, Mary can or

07:30the chair can simply say that we'll

07:33>> take this consideration at the next

07:35meeting,

07:35>> right?

07:36>> If it gets hostile, I mean, there's no

07:37reason to tolerate host any kind of

07:39hostility if that

07:41>> No, we we we have to tolerate hostility.

07:43We literally have to

07:45>> No, we don't. We don't. I don't agree

07:46with that at all.

07:47>> That's okay. the Supreme Court ruled

07:49because the

07:51>> the whole thing and I was going to bring

07:52an article but I'll send you guys a

07:54link. The whole thing about Baron v.

07:55Kenda was that Baron came in and spoke

07:58at this meeting and accused the board

08:00she was speaking to of uh misallocating

08:04funds and called the chair Hitler. And

08:07that all wound its way through only for

08:09the Supreme Court to say that not only

08:10do we have freedom of speech, but it is

08:12specifically outlined and outlined in

08:14article 19 of the Massachusetts

08:16Constitution that constituents can and

08:19should come and speak what they want to

08:22say, air their grievances, and I mean,

08:24let's be real, most people in public

08:25comment come because they have an issue

08:27and not not a props for us. That's okay.

08:30Our role is to recognize the speaker and

08:33when they're done, we say thank you and

08:35that's it. And if they've said something

08:37that we can help, we take it back.

08:39Sometimes it's something, you know, we

08:41had a public comment once that said the

08:42the policy the role the way you book a a

08:46conference room wasn't working as

08:47advertised. Great. That's something that

08:49Mike can take back and work on. Or if

08:51it's something that is more policy

08:53driven or something that we've done,

08:54that's something we can address.

08:56>> Right. The piece that the piece that I

08:58differ and I very very starkly is

09:00hostility. This has to be a safe

09:03environment. It has every work

09:05environment that we're elected officials

09:06or appointed but this is an environment

09:09where we are we're coming to have uh to

09:12to exercise our roles not to be to be

09:16subjected to hostility from anyone or

09:18from each other for that matter which

09:20has never happened. So very the history

09:22of it is where we have to remember it

09:25comes all the way from revolutionary

09:27times [laughter] when unfortunately

09:29hostility was the only way to have your

09:31voice heard against right a a king at

09:34the time. Right? And so I mean it sounds

09:36corny to go all the way that far back

09:38and and I agree that bad faith comments

09:41are going to happen but let them stand

09:43for what they are as bad faith and and

09:44and we just have to let it roll. I mean

09:47it's it's just the nature of public

09:48service. watch watch the show um Parks

09:51and Wreck and you have a good laugh

09:53about how hard public comment can be.

09:55But it it's an unfortunate and

09:57uncomfortable reality and and I think we

10:00have we have options post meeting to

10:02follow up with town council to follow up

10:04with the town manager or to take a vote

10:06to to address it at a later meeting. And

10:09so I think as long as we are unified in

10:11our approach and how we support each

10:13other and make sure that we're you know

10:14we're doing things above boards, then

10:16you know that's that's just how it goes.

10:18[laughter] Very good. So,

10:20>> very good. So, we do we want to keep

10:22public comment as part of our agenda

10:24because I'm pleasure of the board.

10:26>> What we're going to do then is just

10:28simply thank a person for their comments

10:31>> instead of engaging in conversation.

10:33>> Right.

10:35>> Get back to them at different times with

10:38information.

10:38>> You're all set.

10:39>> Good.

10:40>> Anything else before we move to the next

10:41agenda item? Okay. Director's report.

10:44>> All right. Well, since [clears throat]

10:46uh since we we skipped a summer meeting

10:49in August, there's a lot Oh, no. It's

10:52nobody we decided that ahead of time.

10:54So, um there is a lot to talk about. Uh

10:57so, to get started, I thought I would

10:59just go through um the statistical

11:03sheet. So, in August, the Auburn Public

11:05Library welcomed 10,661

11:08visitors. We loan 10,337

11:12physical items. We loaned 2,775

11:16ebooks. We fulfilled 1,785

11:19holds. We hosted 82 events with 2,4882

11:24attendees. We loaned 166 museum passes.

11:28And we hosted 671 computer sessions uh

11:32for 548 hours. So, it was a very very

11:36busy summer for us. [laughter]

11:40Um, I also have uh the budget update if

11:44anybody has any questions about any of

11:46the the bill schedules. Um, I had Dave

11:49put together the little budget snapshot,

11:51too, so you can just see where all the

11:52funds are at the moment. Um, but if

11:56anybody has any questions, I'm happy to

11:58answer those.

11:59>> Yeah, what a total of $2,000 payments to

12:03SHI.

12:04That's um the we are replacing all of

12:07our staff computers and that's the

12:09vendor for that. So

12:10>> that was an odd odd name. I couldn't

12:12make a mention of it.

12:14>> Yeah. Yeah. That's one of the uh one of

12:16the vendors that the town

12:17>> 2000 how we just standing up. How's that

12:20cover?

12:21>> Um so we're we're replacing everything.

12:23We we purchased in kind of chunks of

12:26things just because um the

12:30uh what's the term I'm looking for? the

12:33the flow of computer parts is very

12:38challenging these days. So, we had to

12:39kind of order things when they were

12:41available. Um, so yeah, we've already

12:43replaced everything at the front desk

12:46and we're just waiting to replace stuff

12:48in the back. We've gotten uh new

12:50monitors. We have docks. I'm having all

12:52the staff transition to laptops.

12:55>> Um, they'll be docked laptops, so when

12:57you're at work, you can just hook them

12:58in and you'll have your screen and

13:00everything. But that way if people need

13:02to move around. So for example, we set

13:03up the the children's desk out in the

13:05children's room. Um now Andrea instead

13:08of having to like relog in and do

13:10everything, she can just unhook her

13:11laptop, go over there, sit down, hook it

13:14into the dock there.

13:15>> Um and then if people if she has to go

13:17do a program, if Talia has to go do some

13:20outreach stuff, um you know, if we uh

13:23when we redo the carpets and the the

13:25sprinkler system eventually, we'll have

13:27to close for a little while. We can go

13:29home and do everything. We can work

13:30remotely. We can work from home. So

13:33that's the just trying to plan ahead a

13:35little bit after having a horrible

13:37pandemic that completely changed the

13:39workflow of how public service

13:41functions.

13:45[clears throat]

13:48>> Any other questions about any specific

13:50budget item? I know this is a very thick

13:52packet because it's uh two two months

13:54worth instead of one. So, was this a

13:57major push for purchase in the first

13:59opening of our yearly budget?

14:02>> Um, not hugely so. No, not not out of uh

14:07I mean I wanted to buy all of the

14:08computer stuff because most of that is

14:10being paid for by capital funds. So, it

14:13was available July 1st. And just knowing

14:15the um challenges of getting computers

14:19and things, town it had been nudging me

14:21to kind of whenever you're ready, let's

14:23pull the trigger on this because even

14:25when they quoted us prices a few months

14:28ago, like things have have gone up

14:30significantly since then.

14:32>> Was that right? Everything

14:33>> Yeah.

14:34>> Yeah. But computer parts especially

14:36because everything is getting

14:38>> getting sucked up for the the AI data

14:40centers. So,

14:42>> and a number of the museum passes were

14:45were purchased as also.

14:47>> Yep. And and because the materials

14:50budget rolled over, [clears throat] we

14:51ordered a lot of new books and movies

14:53and things.

14:54>> And the CWM is that our yearly

14:57>> Yes. Yeah. That's that's like a 24.

14:59>> Yeah. 29.

15:00>> 29. Yeah. So, that's our yearly

15:02subscription fee to them.

15:04>> I think this was a major budget,

15:08>> I suppose. So,

15:10>> oh, good news about the laptops. Very

15:12cool.

15:14>> Yeah, I think it just that a couple of

15:16other libraries that I've worked at did

15:18that and it just helps to be a lot more

15:19flexible. When I used to do IT stuff and

15:22I I would teach classes, I could just

15:24take my laptop and hook to the the

15:26projector and things. So,

15:27>> right.

15:28>> I think that'll help everybody be a lot

15:30more flexible.

15:32>> And in case of inclement weather days,

15:35you guys can do the back end stuff.

15:36>> Yeah. Yep. Any other questions or

15:39comments?

15:42>> Um, so then as another part of the

15:44director's report, I'm going to call on

15:46Molly if she wouldn't mind coming over.

15:48Um, one [clears throat] of the few

15:49things that we've ordered, um, so I know

15:52I talked about this before because our

15:54budget has increased this year because

15:56we hired some more staff, we extended

15:58some folks hours. Um, that also means

16:00our materials budget has to increase to

16:03proportionally meet that. Um, and so one

16:05of the things that we had talked about

16:06at our manager meetings was getting some

16:09new databases, some new digital

16:11services. So Molly's taking care of that

16:13for us. So I asked her to just present a

16:15little update about some of the new

16:16services that we've acquired.

16:19>> So I gave a brochure for each of you

16:23that

16:24>> I saw it and I lost.

16:26>> Oh no.

16:26>> Oh no.

16:29question. I didn't think it was

16:30something.

16:31>> That was uh it's Canva courtesy of the

16:35Briden. It's very helpful. I like that.

16:40>> So, we uh added four new digital

16:43resources since the beginning of this

16:44fiscal year.

16:46>> Uh and they are all available on the

16:48libraries uh digital resources page,

16:50which is auburn library.org/digital.

16:54The first one is Mango, which is the

16:56language learning platform. Has 70

16:59languages, 21 ESL dialects. It includes

17:03Little Pin, the children's language uh

17:06learning, and then the American Sign

17:08Language add-on and can be used remotely

17:11with your library card. They also have

17:13an app you can download.

17:15The next one is Niche Academy. This is

17:18an online training platform with

17:20self-paced tutorials. Uh so it has

17:24how-tos on all the library apps and

17:26digital resources, computer basics,

17:29social media, cyber security, uh

17:31programs like Microsoft Office and Zoom,

17:33things like that. But patrons can view

17:36the whole catalog from there. And there

17:39are also embedded videos for a lot of

17:41these new resources right on that page.

17:45So if you go to the Mango section,

17:48there's a little link. You click on the

17:49video, it'll tell you how to use Mango.

17:52Okay. I'm get I'm getting this on my on

17:54my own email or whatever you call it.

17:58I'm getting it seems to like it's more

17:59library training at this at this point

18:01though.

18:02>> It it also has a a staff side. So there

18:05are a kind of um professional

18:07development

18:09do other things. There's not just

18:11library staff but

18:12>> there's yeah there's a patron side that

18:14has the the other kind of tech things

18:16and then there is a library side and

18:18there actually are some trustees ones in

18:20there. So, if you guys are interested in

18:22signing up, we can get you guys in

18:23there, too.

18:24>> Nice.

18:25>> Yeah. And, uh, it also lets us create

18:28our own tutorials. Um, so I've seen

18:30libraries do things like tie-ins to a

18:32craft program or like a how to use a

18:34device in the library or library of

18:36things. So, we'll we'll dig into that

18:38and start making some of those. The next

18:42one is Ancestry, uh, which I'm sure you

18:44know the genealogy platform. So, the

18:47Ancestry Library uh can be used in the

18:50library either on our computers or with

18:53your own device if you're connected to

18:54the library Wi-Fi. Uh and there's also

18:57Heritage Quest is the remote version.

19:01And the last one is the Consumer

19:03Reports, so the uh digital version of

19:06the magazine um which you can also

19:08access remotely with your library card.

19:11And the brochure also has some of the um

19:15resources that we have had for a while

19:18like Libby and Hoopla. Um a couple that

19:20I wanted to point out in the back side

19:23is the Boston Public Library e-card is a

19:27pretty cool feature. Anyone in

19:28Massachusetts can get a card and access

19:30all of their digital uh services, which

19:33they have like hundreds of them. It's

19:35pretty cool. And then the MBLC website

19:39also has some databases that they

19:41provide for the whole state.

19:42Encyclopedia Bratannica, American

19:44Ancestors, the Gale Academic Databases,

19:47few others like that. And then CW Mars

19:50provides novelist plus uh which is a

19:55reading like recommendation website. So

19:58you can find book recommendations by

20:00theme, genre, author, read alikes and

20:02curated lists.

20:04And all of this is on our website auburn

20:07library.org/digital

20:08and this brochure will be out.

20:12>> That's amazing.

20:13>> Exciting.

20:13>> Pretty excited.

20:14>> It is exciting.

20:16>> These are these are really good

20:18additions especially consumer reports.

20:20So exciting.

20:21>> Mango is good because it doesn't use AI

20:24for the language. So it's actually

20:27really good.

20:31Take

20:33a little froggy one. I've got

20:37>> Dogo. Mango will bother you.

20:39>> Mango's better.

20:40>> Mango's better.

20:42>> More advanced. I hope. Yeah.

20:46>> And it's wrong a lot.

20:48>> I I promised Molly she wouldn't have to

20:50sit at the table with [laughter] us for

20:52the whole meeting. So if anyone if

20:53anyone has any questions for her

20:55otherwise I'll Yeah.

20:56>> Thank you.

20:58>> We appreciate you. Um, so I have a

21:01couple other little uh updates that I

21:03wanted to go over and I know I know Nan

21:05knows about this because I talked about

21:06it at the Friends meeting and I I think

21:08I've talked about it with Lindsay too,

21:09but um I just wanted to mention so on

21:12August 10th uh an act regarding free

21:16expression was signed into law in

21:18Massachusetts. Um so in case anybody

21:20doesn't know what this is, um they've

21:23they passed these in a few other states.

21:25The goal of it, and I'm not going to go

21:27through the whole law, but it's

21:28basically to protect intellectual

21:30freedom um and librarians in

21:33Massachusetts from bad faith actors. Uh

21:36because as we all know, ALA tracks book

21:38challenges and things and they've gone

21:41through the roof in the last five or six

21:43years. Um and unfortunately, a lot of

21:45those are like

21:48interest groups. They're not even like

21:50it's not it used to be like parents

21:52would challenge books that were in the

21:53library or in the school where now it's

21:55it's mostly special interest groups some

21:58of whom are not even located in the

22:00states that are are challenging them. Um

22:03and they kind of try to like pick at

22:05libraries. Um so it's it establishes

22:10clear standards for challenging

22:11materials. Uh and it puts in place

22:14systems for tracking uh materials

22:17challenges. Um, specifically, I think

22:20for all of my staff and I, our favorite

22:22part is that it protects uh librarians

22:24from punitive legal measures as long as

22:27you're performing your job in in good

22:29faith. Um, because there have been laws

22:32passed in other states that that did

22:33criminalize certain aspects of just

22:36doing your job as a librarian. Um, so

22:39it's nice to not have to worry about

22:41going to jail for doing my job,

22:43>> right?

22:45>> Um, but this was a big deal. It's

22:47something that the MBLC and MLS has been

22:50really aggressively advocating for. Um

22:53there's been a lot a big push for this.

22:55Um like I said, a few other New England

22:57states have already passed very similar

22:59laws and it's just a very comforting

23:02thing to feel supported by the state

23:04government in that way.

23:07>> Very good news indeed.

23:08>> Yes. Yeah, very much so. Any other

23:11questions about that?

23:15Okay, that's that's my that's my report

23:17for this month.

23:19>> Wonderful.

23:21Um

23:23[cough]

23:26>> the next item on the agenda, did you

23:28want to talk about the the expanded uh

23:30Saturday hours?

23:30>> Yes. Yes. Um so as as everyone knows now

23:34we are now open 9 9 9:30 to 5 on uh on

23:39Saturdays which um that was uh something

23:42that was very hotly requested.

23:44>> How's how's it going? Good response to

23:47>> Yeah. Yeah. I I double checked the the

23:49attendance. It seems like we got round

23:51about 300 people per day. Um which is

23:54pretty much the same number that we get

23:56every day. Uh but bearing in mind that

23:58we're open three fewer hours on

24:00Saturday. So they they are definitely

24:03busy. We're getting the same amount of

24:05people but with a threehour shorter

24:08window. So um yeah, it's been very

24:11popular. Um

24:13>> I know the trustees didn't specifically

24:15vote on it, but we had talked about it

24:17so much and then the pieces kind of fell

24:19into place like right after the last

24:21board meeting and then we didn't have

24:23another one in in August. So, um I

24:26didn't want to wait too long to

24:27implement that, but um I don't know if

24:30the trustees wanted to make a vote of

24:31support or something like that or or

24:34just No, probably not.

24:37>> No. Exciting though.

24:38>> How about programming? Any programming

24:40on Saturdays?

24:41>> Yeah, we've been kind of quietly rolling

24:43that out. I mean, we are very shortly

24:46staffed on on Saturdays. Um and a little

24:50bit more so now. our new person got a

24:52full-time job, so she's leaving right

24:54away.

24:54>> Oh, no. [laughter]

24:56>> Um, but, um, we have been doing some of

25:00the weeks that, uh, say Andrea or

25:02Caitlyn have been scheduled for that

25:04Saturday, um, they've been doing like a

25:07a Saturday story time, which has gotten

25:09a very positive response because a lot

25:12of the story times people can't make it

25:13to because they're they're working. Um

25:17uh but it's it's a little bit limited by

25:20who's on staff that that weekend because

25:23it has to be somebody who's capable of

25:24running that program. Um but we are

25:28looking into scheduling some other other

25:30events on Saturday if we feel like we've

25:32got the staffing comp. Oops. That was a

25:35little weird. Lights all just went out.

25:37Um

25:38>> little electrical

25:41storm happening right now.

25:42>> Yeah, we're supposed to have some storms

25:44blow through. I just realized my

25:46>> we did we did actually lose power in the

25:48library earlier today. So

25:49>> not on the video.

25:51>> Oh no.

25:55>> So we have to pause.

25:56>> Okay. All right.

25:57>> And that's how we know.

26:00>> Okay. So we are back on.

26:03>> All right.

26:03>> Um at 7:14 a little bit little bit of a

26:07power outage. Um the next item on the

26:10agenda we were going to discuss um you

26:12did you finish talking about library

26:14hours.

26:14>> We were just Yeah, I was just kind of

26:16updating everyone on that. I don't know

26:17if anybody had any other comments or

26:19questions or anything.

26:22>> So I don't think we need to vote on it

26:24because we've been asking for it for a

26:25long time and I'm really glad to hear

26:27that the community is so happy about it

26:28and that you were getting

26:30>> um say a more dense response

26:34[laughter]

26:35>> where popularity is indicated by

26:37density. Yeah. And it's only really been

26:40two months at this point. So

26:42>> huge. Huge. So programming policy.

26:46>> Oh, yes. [laughter]

26:48>> Well, Mary, are you going to move the

26:50>> I'm sorry. So policy votes as the next

26:53agenda item.

26:54>> Um, so everyone should have a copy of

26:56the the programming policy. I I sent it

26:59around. Um, so this is the one where we

27:01had been talking about before. This was

27:03originally kind of part of the

27:05collection development policy, but we

27:07felt like it didn't really belong there

27:09anymore and um but I know the trustees

27:11wanted to have its kind of its own

27:13policy. Um so we we broke it out. This

27:16was largely written by um Talia and

27:19Andrea. Uh I think it does a very good

27:22job of covering everything. And then um

27:25at the back I thought we'd do kind of

27:26like what we did with the um

27:29>> the uh materials challenge form. So

27:33>> um we're just the the vote would just be

27:35for the policy where the form we can

27:38kind of change it as as need be, but

27:40we'll have it you know be visible there.

27:43>> Great.

27:43>> Um does anyone have any questions about

27:45any of that?

27:48>> I had one on each page. Uh the line that

27:52starts with grandfunded programs may be

27:54subject to the regulations of the

27:55granter. Uh is is there some way to be

27:59able to say something about but

28:00following the above criteria?

28:04>> We could add we could add

28:06>> I I just wasn't sure. Yeah.

28:07>> Because a granter they still have to

28:10follow these.

28:12>> Yeah. We could we could add a little

28:13addendum in there that it would still um

28:16still adhere to library policy and best

28:19practices or something like that.

28:21>> A good addition.

28:22>> What if you added grant funded programs

28:24may be subject to additional regulations

28:27of the granter and that assumes all of

28:30the above points apply but maybe some

28:31extras as well.

28:33>> Yeah.

28:40Okay.

28:43>> Does anybody have any other comments?

28:46>> Nan, you had said you had other

28:47>> I know. I thought there was one. It was

28:49just a situation covering your yourself.

28:51I say that has that really happened and

28:53I I don't spot it now.

28:56>> Probably. [laughter] Again, I I don't

28:59like to write reactive policies, but it

29:01it does happen sometimes. [laughter]

29:04I just had a lot of other places where

29:06we like said that's

29:09>> Yeah, I know there were um

29:14>> Yeah, I mean there are a few things in

29:16here that we put in just because there

29:18were instances of that and we just want

29:19to make sure in in future that that's

29:21not the case.

29:23>> Well, you get a varied population so you

29:25get all kinds of situations and they do

29:28realize that.

29:29>> Nope. Fine. [clears throat]

29:32>> Okay. Yeah.

29:32>> Do you want to vote on that or do you

29:34want to go ahead with the appropriate

29:35use policy and then vote on both?

29:37>> Probably should be one or two.

29:39>> Okay. Very good. Okay. So, do I have a

29:41motion to accept the program programming

29:44policy?

29:46>> Motion. So, move. That's very good. And

29:48do I have a second?

29:50>> Thank you, Lindsay. I'm just going to do

29:52a quick roll call. Matt to Yes.

29:54>> Erica Briecker.

29:55>> Yep.

29:55>> Very.

29:56>> Yes.

29:57>> Nan Johnson,

29:58>> yes.

29:58>> Lind Lindsay Baker, and Mary [snorts]

30:00Corses, yes. unanimous.

30:04>> So,

30:04>> it's a good idea not to

30:06>> to vote on this,

30:08>> right?

30:09>> Because there are changes you could

30:10make.

30:11>> Yeah. Why would

30:12>> Yeah.

30:13>> Yeah. It just gives us a little bit more

30:14flexibility with the uh the form.

30:17>> Um so, yeah. So, the second policy we

30:19had is the appropriate library use

30:21policy.

30:22>> Um there was just a a small but

30:25important change that was made on this.

30:28Um, I I pulled the that line failure to

30:32comply with this or other library

30:33policies to put it at the end just to

30:35make it a little clearer. Uh, and I also

30:37expanded that slightly to explain how

30:41people can go about um, uh, contesting

30:46if they were subject to library. Uh we

30:49unfortunately did have an incident

30:52lately where things kind of had to

30:54escalate and when I spoke with town

30:56council they had recommended that we

30:59have as part of our policy uh an element

31:02where people could contest being banned

31:04or or anything like that. So um this is

31:09what I wrote up. I I thought it seemed

31:10like a fairly reasonable one. It was

31:13based off of what town council advised.

31:17If

31:17>> anybody has any questions about that,

31:19>> it is the way we used to do that. U seem

31:22to have more trouble over that for

31:24certain number of years for a number of

31:26incidents like that. And we did what

31:28town council said, but it was always

31:30that the trustees would have the final

31:32say on that.

31:33>> Yeah. Yeah.

31:35>> And I I really am glad that that's out

31:37of the first few lines.

31:40>> It said welcome before and then it said

31:42the ugliness along with it.

31:44>> [laughter]

31:45>> you have to say it's somewhere, right?

31:47>> But I think at the end is a good place.

31:49>> Yeah. Yeah. And that that way it also

31:51seems to encompass everything that came

31:53before. So

31:55>> um and with all the policies, you know,

31:57we wrote in a piece about how the staff

32:00>> have the ability in in the moment to

32:03make certain calls because

32:05>> um unfortunately

32:07disruptive behaviors don't tend to

32:09neatly map onto might hope they would.

32:12So

32:13>> people have to make interpretations.

32:16>> Yeah. Any other questions about that?

32:20>> Do I have a motion? A motion. Motion. Do

32:23I? Yes. Matt. A motion to accept. Um a

32:27second.

32:28>> Second.

32:28>> Second from Nan. I'm just going to do a

32:30roll call again. Matt Toad.

32:31>> Yes.

32:31>> Erica Grie Soccer.

32:32>> Yes.

32:33>> Ver Crane.

32:34>> Yes.

32:34>> Nan Johnson.

32:35>> Yes. [clears throat]

32:36>> Lindsey Baker.

32:36>> Yes. Mary of course. Yes.

32:38Um, next item on the agenda is a

32:41discussion and possible vote on using

32:43trust funds to pay for the library staff

32:45team building event.

32:46>> Um, so this is really uh we've been

32:49talking about trying to do kind of a a

32:52staff team building morale boosting

32:55event basically since I've come on board

32:57and logistics just keep tripping

32:59everything up. Um, but it's been

33:01something that I've I felt very strongly

33:03about. I I know the staff are certainly

33:05enthusiastic about it. Um, and so we did

33:07write it into the strategic plan and the

33:10action plan for this year that we were

33:11going to try to do that. Um, so I'm just

33:13bringing this forward. I have other

33:15funds that that I can use as part of

33:17state aid or something if I need to pay

33:19for anything. Um, but I wanted to see if

33:21the trustees would be open to it. Uh so

33:24what we are planning and don't laugh

33:27um we have reached out to good picking

33:31farm uh and they are gonna bring some

33:34baby goats to the library to just

33:36>> I love baby goats. I want to come

33:39>> you can come [laughter] you can come if

33:40you want baby goats.

33:42>> Um so they're going to bring some baby

33:44goats to the library. Staff this will be

33:46after hours. Uh staff will be able to

33:48have their family there if they want.

33:51Um, and we'll just have like an hour or

33:53so socializing with each other and and

33:56just stress reduction with with the baby

33:59goats.

34:00>> Um,

34:01so, uh, the the cost for the goats and

34:05for travel is um, uh, $425.

34:11I thought another 75 for some light

34:14refreshments. So,

34:16>> make it an even 500. Uh again, I'm just

34:19bringing this to the trustees to see if

34:21it's something they would consider as as

34:24like a kind of a treat for the staff. Um

34:27if you don't feel it's appropriate to

34:29use trust funds for that, that's totally

34:30fine. I can just use state

34:32>> only if the trust fund were designated

34:34to some restriction. That was the only

34:37point I

34:38>> You wouldn't do that. So

34:39>> yeah,

34:41>> any comments, questions? You know, it's

34:44interesting because I've thought about

34:46how the trust funds could occasionally

34:48be used for

34:50staff development.

34:52>> Yeah.

34:52>> And that that's

34:56this is just as important as that.

34:58>> I think so.

34:59>> Yeah.

34:59>> And so

35:00>> I think so.

35:01>> I would have any opposition to that.

35:03What does the treasurer say?

35:04>> Yeah. I mean to to my knowledge none of

35:07the funds and trust have

35:10>> any restrictions

35:11>> any documented restriction that we've

35:13been able to on earth based on how old

35:16some of them are um you know I think

35:18that when it was given the most I think

35:21the newest one is the norm card um but

35:24even that one was at the discretion of

35:26the board at the time from the articles

35:28that I found and just that it was you

35:31know to be generally used for you know

35:33the benefit of the library. Basically,

35:34it was very broad. So, I yep, to add

35:37that context, I don't think we have any

35:39specific restrictions in any of these.

35:41Um, and yeah, I would agree with Matt

35:43that it feels like it it fits within the

35:46boundaries of, you know, it it aligns

35:48with the strategic plan. I think I think

35:50if it targets the strategic plan and we

35:52can make a contribution, then that I

35:54feel like that's where the the funds and

35:55trust should be put. And certainly team

35:58building is like critical. [laughter]

36:00I think the staff deserves.

36:04>> So, so while I think that the staff

36:06deserves goats and folks Nan, um

36:09[laughter]

36:09>> I think that that's important. I also I

36:12I wonder if if there is another funding

36:15option for that, but not another funding

36:17option for something else you want,

36:20>> right? Because we're always a good

36:22resource for if the library needs some

36:24something. Yeah.

36:25>> But it does not fall into your existing

36:28budget structure. So you can't draw

36:30those funds, but we can assist. And so

36:31I'm just thinking,

36:33>> you know, from a practical matter, uh,

36:35but you would know better. So we kind of

36:37rely on you to look ahead and see how

36:41that how that should play out.

36:42>> Um, no pressure.

36:43>> Yeah. No, no. So obvious obviously uh

36:46this isn't something that I can quite

36:49pay out of like our municipally

36:51appropriated funds. It doesn't that

36:53stuff is a little more um

36:55>> restricted.

36:55>> Restricted. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we

36:57do have a big staff development fund

36:59this year, but I know that's going to go

37:01towards

37:01>> go this way.

37:02>> Yeah. That's going to go towards

37:04conference. Yeah.

37:05>> Um

37:07so, the other option we have is is state

37:10aid. We get state aid from um

37:13Massachusetts and you know, we have a

37:16decent amount of that saved up and that

37:17money is totally free. No restrictions

37:21as to what we can use it for. We can do

37:23literally anything with it. um outside

37:26of like really buck wild stuff but has

37:29to have something to do with the

37:30library. Um

37:32>> this is a nice

37:35support.

37:36>> Yes, I will come.

37:38>> They must have a little

37:42goats are very [laughter]

37:44>> they put newspaper down. They have a

37:46little

37:48>> weeding out back [laughter]

37:50swarming in the pond out there.

37:53So, do I have a motion to approve this

37:56measure?

37:57>> I'll make the motion.

37:58>> All right. Do I [laughter] have a

37:59second?

38:01>> All right. And I'm going to do a quick

38:03roll call on this. Matt,

38:05>> yes.

38:06>> Erica, yes.

38:06>> Kira,

38:07>> yes.

38:07>> Nan,

38:08>> yes.

38:08>> Lindsay,

38:09>> yes.

38:09>> Mary, yes. Very good. Very fun. Very

38:12fun.

38:12>> I'm sure all the staff will appreciate

38:14that.

38:14>> We want pictures.

38:16>> I think it was actually Molly's idea,

38:17right? The baby goats. Was that your

38:19[laughter]

38:23What was Dave's?

38:25>> Okay, item nine. Oh, sorry.

38:27>> Oh, I was just gonna I was just going to

38:28say we don't have a date yet. It's

38:29probably because I wanted to hash out

38:31the financial angle first. Um, it will

38:33likely be towards the end of this month

38:36or the beginning of next month.

38:37>> Did they come from North?

38:39>> Oh, you know,

38:41>> that might

38:42go.

38:43>> I don't remember where. I did look into

38:45this fun. I don't remember exactly where

38:47it's located.

38:48>> Um,

38:50>> okay. So, item nine, uh, discussion of

38:52the library Halloween event on October

38:5429th.

38:55>> I don't get it actually come at the

38:56right time. [laughter]

38:59>> Yeah, this should be a quick one. So,

39:00just like last year, we're going to do a

39:02big uh trick-or-treating in the library

39:05event. Um, Andrea planned that last year

39:08and we had an enormous enormous turnout.

39:10It was like lines out the door. Um, I

39:13know Vera and Matt were here. Was Am I

39:16forgetting anybody else?

39:17>> Me. I was here.

39:18>> You were here. Okay. Sorry. I wrote down

39:20the wrong thing. [laughter]

39:22>> Oh, that's right. Yeah, you you were

39:24here as a as a participant dressed for

39:26the event.

39:27>> Participated.

39:27>> I Yeah, I do still have I think I used

39:29that picture for um uh a meeting

39:32recently promoting library services. Um

39:35so, it's going to be 5:30 to 7:30. Uh

39:38you you just need to show up. We'll have

39:40tables set up. We'll have treats on the

39:41table. Uh costumes are definitely

39:44encouraged.

39:45>> Uh this year we're trying to make it a

39:47lot bigger. I know Andrea

39:48>> outside as well.

39:49>> Yeah, Andrea has all I I think last year

39:51it like rained too. So, um so Andrea has

39:54also reached out to a lot of the other

39:56town departments. I've already talked

39:57with the town manager's office. So, I

39:59think we'll likely have police, fire,

40:02town manager. It's going to be a really

40:03nice little community hub event.

40:06>> Community hub. Nice.

40:07>> Now, my phone will tell me to be there

40:09on the right day. [laughter]

40:10>> So, yeah, if anybody needs a reminder,

40:12it's October 29th, 5:30 to 7:30.

40:16>> That's excellent.

40:17Um this next item came from Erica. Uh we

40:20uh patrons have the discussion on how

40:24patrons can donate to the library

40:26particularly funds rather than books. So

40:28can you enlight us?

40:30>> Um yeah so

40:34probably the probably the best way to do

40:36it if people want to donate funds that

40:38will help the library is actually to

40:40donate to the friends. Okay. That is the

40:42easiest way to do it. You can just write

40:44a check to the friends. You can give

40:45them cash. you can put it right in their

40:47little box out in the the foyer. Um,

40:51people can donate directly to the

40:54library if they want. Um, they would

40:56have to make a check out to the town of

40:58Auburn and then I just have to go and

41:02Did you want to say something?

41:02>> Yeah, with the gift stuff, we've gone

41:04through a policy on that somewhere

41:07>> and it was to for any major gift that

41:11would go to the board of trustees.

41:13>> Yeah.

41:14uh because we can do the same thing that

41:17the friends do uh without having to go

41:20through the town on that

41:21>> or it goes to the general budget if they

41:23if we can't designate it. It will not go

41:26through the library budget. It will go

41:28into the town budget. Yeah.

41:29>> So I Yeah, I think

41:30>> when they designate it to the board of

41:32trustees of the library then that's

41:36where the bigger they the last one was

41:38normal card so it's been years ago

41:41>> but the bigger ones came through the

41:42board of trustees. Now I know that the

41:47one that went to the friends that was

41:49big,

41:51it came in a very big hurry. Uh and it

41:54had to be done before the end of the

41:57month of December

41:59and the best way of dealing with it at

42:01that time was through the friends.

42:03>> Yeah.

42:04>> But uh those major gifts usually have

42:07come through the board of trustees and

42:08then they're in a trust fund.

42:11>> Yeah. Something like that. If somebody

42:13wanted to donate a massive amount, you

42:15know, several thousand dollars or

42:17something like that, we can do it that

42:18way. If it's like, you know, 50 bucks or

42:20a hundred bucks, it's probably easier to

42:22go through the the friends.

42:23>> Yeah, that's correct. Because otherwise,

42:25you'd have to go through the town

42:27accepting it and all the rest of that.

42:29But it's true. You're right.

42:32>> Yeah. Yeah. So, for for larger

42:34donations, it's worth the extra leg

42:36work, but for a smaller one, it's

42:38>> Yeah. And the one of the reasons for

42:40that that the town has always taken that

42:43money and invested it with their

42:46>> uh ledger.

42:47>> Yeah. And so it's really had excellent

42:51returns.

42:53>> Yeah. No, that's a that's a good point.

42:55>> I'll look for that uh policy. I've got

42:58it someplace.

42:59>> Yeah. And and hopefully I mean I know

43:00we're going to talk about it a little

43:01bit at the end of the meeting.

43:02Hopefully, we'll have some opportunities

43:04to start developing a foundation in

43:06which case people can donate directly to

43:08that, but that's a little ways off.

43:11>> Great.

43:12>> Very good. So, item 11, vote to

43:15authorize library closure on Saturday,

43:17December 26th.

43:19>> Yes. Uh this this was uh hotly requested

43:22by the staff. Um I've already talked to

43:25the town manager about it. She's signed

43:27off on it. Um, I it's it's a Saturday,

43:30so the day after Christmas, I suspect it

43:33would be very very quiet that day.

43:35Anyways, I think this would be a a nice

43:37treat to the the staff not forcing three

43:39or four of them to come in the day after

43:41Christmas.

43:42>> Right.

43:43>> Do I have a motion?

43:44>> Yeah.

43:45>> Motion.

43:46>> Do I have a second?

43:48>> Second.

43:48>> Oh, that was like a race. [laughter]

43:52>> So, we'll do a roll call on that. to

43:54close the library on December 26th. It

43:57will be Matt Toad. Yes.

43:58>> Erica Briecker.

43:59>> Yes.

44:00>> Ver Crane. Yes.

44:01>> Nan Johnson.

44:02>> Absolutely.

44:03>> Lindseay Baker. Yes.

44:04>> Mary Dorsey. Absolutely. I agree. Uh

44:07item number 12, update on the library

44:09branding project. I see you got us this

44:11really cool packet.

44:12>> Yeah. So, this was provided by our our

44:14consultant, Jennifer Gily, who we we had

44:17uh opted to do this project for us. Um,

44:21I don't know if you want to add

44:22anything, Lindsay, or if you we we uh we

44:25sat down with her. So, this is kind of

44:26her first draft of the project. She came

44:28up with these three different models.

44:30Um, Lindsay, Nan, and I as well as Molly

44:34and Andrea took some time to look things

44:37over. Um, most of us met with her. I'm

44:39sorry, Nan, that we couldn't make it

44:41work for your schedule.

44:42>> Um, but we met with her few weeks ago to

44:45kind of go over things and give some

44:47feedback and some thoughts on things.

44:50um she workshopped it a little bit more

44:52and so hopefully right now she's um

44:56workshopping things. She's going to come

44:57back with what will hopefully be a more

44:59finalized uh design. I don't know if you

45:03want to add anything, Lindsay.

45:04>> Yeah, I would say so the the discussion

45:07centered around um sort of the so so if

45:12you look at the packet there's three

45:13concepts that she's got on the cover.

45:15There's concept one is this kind of

45:17launching curiosity. Concept two is

45:19mission discovery which you can see is

45:21sort of based around the building or the

45:23you know assemblance of of a building

45:25and launching up from that and then the

45:27last is this kind of concept of library

45:29launchpad. Um the first concept you know

45:32if you flip through you can see in the

45:34packet that it's sort of this soft muted

45:38colors um some really whimsical choices

45:42for more of the youth programming.

45:44There's some aliens and um you know a

45:47more cartoonish look to some of this.

45:50>> Um and it's nice because she also did a

45:54little bit of AI generation of what the

45:56color schemes and and imagery might look

45:58like in a future building. So each of

46:01the three packets or each of the three

46:03sections has, you know, kind of gives

46:06you an idea of what we could do

46:08eventually if we do redo the building

46:10and and have new colors. Um the I will

46:13say that the feedback um on the middle

46:15one was mostly that we didn't want to

46:18center any logos around the building

46:20because the not too long from now focus

46:23that we have a new building someday.

46:26>> Um though we did not note that that

46:28could be interesting um for a future

46:30foundation logo [laughter]

46:32>> launching off from the current building.

46:34Um and so where we kind of all landed

46:37was on the third proposal. So that's

46:41they're unfortunately not numbered, but

46:43you know the last maybe six pages. Yeah,

46:45the last six pages or so of the the file

46:48um you know I think we agreed that the

46:51clean lines of the logo, you know, it's

46:53not that dissimilar from the the first

46:56um section with the book launching off a

46:58rocket. Um but we agreed that the kind

47:01of clean lines um the more bold colors

47:04would be very accessible um for online

47:08content website and things. Um and so we

47:11basically asked that she just maybe

47:13incorporate some more of the the greens

47:16and the natural colors to soften it just

47:19a little bit because it we were worried

47:20about it skewing too close for

47:22planetarium.

47:24>> [laughter]

47:24>> Um, and so she took she's going to take

47:27all of that feedback um, and and kind of

47:30rework and blend some of the concepts

47:32primarily from the first and third

47:34concepts to give us, you know, what we

47:37then hopefully can do a you know, take a

47:39vote on and and you know, of course, get

47:41final feedback if we have it. Um, but

47:44yeah, it was it was great. Molly brought

47:46a really great perspective on the

47:47technology side and made sure it was

47:49accessible on the website and usable

47:51sort of in online, you know, campaigns

47:54and things. Andrea um actually pushed

47:57hard that we get away from too much

47:59cartoony because she was worried about

48:01the emphasis always being so on the

48:04youth side of things. Um though we did

48:06all agree that we really like the aliens

48:08and so if she could bring those into the

48:10final proposal, we'd be really happy

48:12with that um for for the youth

48:14programming. Um, but you know, we did

48:16that around a lot of ideas for her to

48:18eventually arrive at and I think we all

48:20agree that the the rocket is is the

48:23biggest claim to fame and it just makes

48:26sense to continue that thread. Um,

48:28especially if maybe someday we can, you

48:30know, make a slightly nicer version of

48:33what's on the walls here in a in a

48:35permanent way and have, you know, a

48:36Goddard space in in the in the library.

48:40So, um it it seems right to stick to a

48:44the rocket. Um and so, yeah. So, you

48:46know, I think final version center on

48:49the third package here. Um but expect

48:52that there will be some some softer

48:54colors incorporated to kind of tie in

48:57the greens and things. So, yeah.

48:59>> Good. Good.

49:01>> Lots of good work.

49:02>> It really is.

49:03>> Yeah, she did a fantastic job. I think I

49:06[clears throat] think we were all very

49:07pleased with visas like a first step.

49:11>> Agreed.

49:13>> Uh the next item on the agenda update on

49:15discussion of an APL foundation.

49:18>> Yeah. So, um I know we we've kind of

49:21kicked this around before and I I think

49:23we just probably need to find some dates

49:25that work for people, right?

49:26>> Um I was hoping to talk to uh Pria and

49:29some of the Shrewsbury people um

49:31recently. Unfortunately, she's been out

49:33of the country on vacation for the last

49:35little bit. But I thought um in the

49:38interest of expediency at this point,

49:40maybe just reaching out to her and some

49:42of the foundation folks, getting them to

49:44pick like three or four dates, then

49:47coming back to you all, seeing what what

49:50dates would work for you all, and and

49:53just kind of picking one there. Um since

49:55it would be just anformational meeting,

49:57it wouldn't be beholden to open meeting

49:59law. So we could all just either meet

50:01here or wherever. Um we could even do a

50:04a virtual thing if if that was easier

50:06for people and just kind of get some

50:09feedback from from all of them and

50:12>> go from there.

50:14>> That sounds good.

50:16>> All right. So I can I can reach out to

50:18her as soon as she's back in the US.

50:21>> Okay. Very good. Um the lastly what we

50:25agreed upon when people were pretty

50:27supportive to our next meeting being

50:29October 1st at 6:30 for another month.

50:32>> Okay. Um do I any other comments before

50:35I adjourn the meeting?

50:38>> Anything happening with Foundation?

50:41>> So we have um Andrea Dory and I have a

50:44meeting with them on October 5th. Okay.

50:47So that is that is um that's one of the

50:49reasons why I wanted to at least get the

50:51foundation conversation started so when

50:53I meet with them I can say

50:55>> we've had this conversation uh because

50:57what I want to make sure um Andrea and I

50:59met with some folks from the state

51:00recently to get a little more info about

51:03the state grant program that they're

51:05starting again. So I just want to make

51:07sure I've got all my ducks in a row when

51:09I go to talk to them as far as like

51:12other funding sources that we'll

51:13hopefully be drawing from.

51:16>> Thank you. Yeah,

51:17>> good question.

51:19>> Um, do I have a motion tojourn?

51:22>> So moved.

51:23>> Very good. Do I have a second?

51:27>> Second.

51:27>> Second. Was that I heard a whisper from

51:29Matt and a well spoke loudly from you.

51:32>> Okay, so Matt's got the second. Um,

51:34thank you everyone. We're closing the

51:36meeting at 7:39

51:38p.m.

51:39>> Thank you.

51:44>> [music]