2026-11-04 - Citizen Review Board

04:34I just

04:57I know.

05:17There has to be a specific

05:30because here

05:37I think

05:39>> Yeah. So I want people

05:59on

06:02records.

06:24There

06:36your best thing.

06:52>> That's me.

07:22was property.

08:07You've been very good.

08:30Are you

09:03Great job.

09:15But they said

09:24they know

09:39We don't want

09:57to give you my email. You can reach out

09:59to me with address.

10:23We'll

10:44continue.

10:55That's

11:20right.

11:30That's why

11:39they don't put nothing in there because

11:42they do complaint. Nobody can see it

11:45basically.

11:53That's basically

11:58how

12:01it is breaking the law.

12:06[clears throat]

12:13Break the lawrest.

12:18But

12:19before then.

12:59No,

13:04it doesn't

13:25All done.

14:00What it is?

14:26Yes. Send me the address.

16:25definitely pay the price.

16:29Yep.

17:17You can always

18:33You're right about that.

18:37Can't fix that.

20:44Last time I did that

22:22How you doing?

22:34There are vision

23:13behavior.

23:17I don't know why.

23:23>> They did what?

23:27>> Oh man. on our website it always shows

23:31um but

23:32>> can you call the office

23:38>> okay

23:44>> what is it dark outside

23:57>> that's

24:07All you have to

24:11Paul,

24:38how you

25:02Yeah, please do.

25:35This time I brought pins.

26:01Hey Chris, you want to see if it's up

26:04and on uh YouTube?

26:33Okay, good. Thank you.

26:47Usually they were here by now.

26:50>> That's a possibility.

26:52>> Warm weather to me.

26:53>> Yeah, warm weather always tend to drive

26:56people away.

27:06>> Thank you.

27:10Well, Donna, as a uh as a council

27:13member, why did they have all the

27:15streets blocked off so no one can park

27:16there but city officials? Cuz there's no

27:19parking on this side. There's no parking

27:22on that side.

27:26>> I mean, there's not a lot of parking

27:28down here, period.

27:32>> Yeah.

27:54Okay. [laughter]

27:55You think people forgot?

27:58>> Oh, well.

27:59>> Well, it's early still. We got a couple

28:01minutes.

28:02>> Um, I haven't got He sent me over Well,

28:05no. I'm not sure if he sent me over

28:06there. I got the information on it, but

28:08I haven't onboarded him yet. So, uh, I'm

28:11not sure if he's going to be here

28:12tonight or not.

28:14I um I saw Abraham last night and he

28:18said we said, "Oh, we'll see you

28:20tomorrow." So,

28:21>> and we saw

28:23>> Harry.

28:23>> Harry.

28:24>> Oh, yeah. Harry Harry, you know, he's

28:26going to be here.

28:27>> Yeah, we saw him last night. He's

28:29>> um Alisa is probably not going to be

28:31here.

28:31>> Oh, yeah. That's understandable. Her mom

28:35died.

28:40>> She's been through a lot.

28:41>> Yeah. Did you guys get that notification

28:44I sent out?

28:44>> Yeah.

28:45>> Okay.

28:45>> It's Friday, right?

28:46>> Okay.

28:47>> Uh I'm not sure. I love

28:58tough.

28:58>> Yeah. Losing your mama. It's a rough

29:01one.

29:09>> Yeah. Aren't [clears throat] there

29:10things you wish you asked your mother?

29:13[laughter]

29:17>> I was like, why didn't I ask her that?

29:20>> Do you want to tell her now?

29:22>> Yeah.

29:22>> I took the time and made

29:40Right.

29:41I want to know how to do that.

29:46>> You got to have vinegar, right? And

29:51>> but there's something else you use in

29:52there.

29:58>> All right.

30:08Right.

30:11Right.

30:17>> Man, you need to open like a restaurant

30:20or something.

30:27>> Good for you. I'm a cook, too. I get it.

30:32Although,

30:33>> I've noticed myself getting lazier and

30:35lazier

30:36about it.

30:44Ben, how are you?

30:54>> Tell me.

30:55>> But aren't we all relieved?

31:01>> Where? Yeah.

31:07I know. I got a message from somebody at

31:093:30 in the morning. I'm like, I can't

31:10believe all these people are still up.

31:12>> I know.

31:14>> People are excited.

31:15>> They are. They are. And I was happy to

31:17see that.

31:18>> It is exciting.

31:20>> Well, they threw us out of the mispa.

31:22>> I know. They got to go for you there,

31:25Diane.

31:26>> Huh?

31:27>> I didn't see you there.

31:29>> We were there. Did you see her? I saw

31:31you.

31:31>> I saw you.

31:33>> Yeah. I didn't see you.

31:35>> Yeah,

31:37>> we were sitting right up in We ended up

31:39sitting right up in front right in front

31:40of the TV.

31:41>> Right in front of the TV.

31:42>> Oh, okay.

31:44There was too many people there for me.

31:46>> There were too many people. It was uh

31:50>> there was a lot of people.

31:51>> The what?

31:51>> The palladium. There was a lot of people

31:53>> and it was too loud.

31:55>> Yeah.

31:56>> Too loud.

31:56>> Palladium.

31:57>> Yeah. I mean, they they had the black

32:00lights were there and they they were

32:01really good, but it it was too small a

32:05room for all that noise.

32:08>> There's only eight of us right now.

32:11>> Uh we do have a new board member. He

32:13hasn't been uh

32:15>> we miss Mike and we miss Linda.

32:20>> Okay. Okay.

32:29Abraham, how are you?

32:31>> Doing great covered from last evening.

32:35>> Um, Julie, do you uh do you have his

32:37token?

32:39His

32:43>> um

32:56I'm going to sneak one of these days

32:57into your office.

32:59>> Yeah. Like

33:02>> just just tell me next week. Next week

33:05I'm going next week.

33:31meeting. This is probably usually the

33:34last one.

33:37Review board meeting minutes. The

33:40minutes are usually the prior one.

35:20Okay, it is now 5:30. We're going to

35:22call the Citizen Review Board to uh to

35:26order. It's Wednesday, November 14,

35:282026.

35:30Uh November, I'm sorry, November 4th.

35:33I'm trying to get out of here early.

35:34November 4th. 2026. It is now 5:30 p.m.

35:39And um Peggy, can you call a roll order?

35:43>> Yep. Elise Baker is excused.

35:49>> Hernandez,

35:51>> not excused.

35:54>> Don Johnson

35:55>> here.

35:57>> Harry Pratt,

35:58>> he's supposed to be here.

35:59>> I know. Um me. Uh Samia is Absent.

36:06>> Absent.

36:07>> Octavia.

36:10>> Ibraham.

36:11>> Yeah. [clears throat]

36:13>> Okay.

36:16Uh, next thing on the agenda is updating

36:20uh about um board replacement. We do

36:23have a new board member. Um I got his

36:27information this week. Uh we still have

36:29to onboard him in order for them to come

36:32on to the board. So, at our next

36:34December meeting, uh we'll have another

36:36board member um on the the board. Um the

36:41next thing on the agenda is the approval

36:43of the October uh meeting minutes. Has

36:47everyone at Well, you know what?

36:49Unfortunately, we can't do that because

36:50we don't have quum.

36:52>> So, we'll have to table that until Harry

36:54gets here. Once Harry gets here, we'll

36:57be at quorum and then we can take a vote

36:59on that.

37:01>> Okay. Now, an update on the CRB pause.

37:07Uh, this week, um, I received

37:11correspondence,

37:12um, from core counsel and from the

37:15council that the CRB can not hire our

37:20own attorney, uh, to represent the CRB.

37:24as as everyone in the audience realizes

37:27that we decided that there was a

37:29conflict of interest having core counsel

37:32represent both the CRB, the police

37:35department and the city that our um

37:39fight was not being taken seriously. So

37:42we decided that we were going to go out

37:44and hire our own attorney.

37:47Uh at that point um we got to noticing

37:51that we there there is no conflict of

37:53interest having core council represents

37:56both the city, the police department and

37:59the CRB. However, we feel that that is

38:02not the case. So, um I did some uh had

38:07uh Chris do some research on um the

38:10legislation

38:12and um basically it says the

38:14determination by the board and or the

38:17city council that a conflict of interest

38:20exists. Core council will advise the CRB

38:24administrator and of the existing of

38:27such conflict and the need for the board

38:30to obtain outside counsel. the board may

38:33then seek and retain independent legal

38:36counsel. So, uh basically that says that

38:40um city court uh the uh city court uh

38:45can tell us that there's not a conflict

38:47and then we as a board can vote and say

38:50we're going to we think there's a

38:51conflict, we're going to go ahead and

38:52hire our own attorney. Um and so and I

38:56think we have the funds in place that we

38:58can do that. So

39:00the other thing that um we would like to

39:04see that we haven't seen from the core

39:07council council is that a um a statement

39:12saying what we can and cannot do. Uh we

39:15have been waiting for that and there has

39:17been no uh formal writing to let us know

39:22um where what is our position and what

39:25we can and cannot do. So

39:28um so that brings us to that.

39:31Okay.

39:40[clears throat]

39:40And that's on uh that's part of the

39:42update on the status of the outside

39:44firm. Um, one note to be had, we have

39:47found a firm in New York City um that we

39:51have contacted um that we're working

39:53with that um hopefully once we get this

39:56issue resolved um we'll have them on

39:59board and we'll be off and running

40:00again. So, okay. Um,

40:07so board activity, we're going to place

40:09that on hold because we're still trying

40:10to formulate a full board before we

40:12start assigning uh committees.

40:17Um, is there any old business that

40:19anyone uh has to bring up on the board?

40:24Okay. Um the next item is uh committee

40:28assignments and again those are on hold

40:30until we can get a full board in place

40:33and there is no committee reports. Um

40:39and so now we move into oh here's Harry.

40:45So we we now have quorum. So, we're

40:47going to go back to item um

40:49>> Hi,

40:49>> good evening.

40:51>> On has everyone had an opportunity to

40:54review the uh meeting uh minutes?

40:58>> Okay. [clears throat]

41:00So, we need to get a uh motion on the

41:02floor to uh adopt the October uh meeting

41:06minutes.

41:09>> I'll move it to um adopt the minutes of

41:12the October meeting.

41:14>> It has been moved. Can we get a second?

41:16>> Second.

41:17>> It has been moved and second. Any

41:19discussion?

41:21>> All in favor?

41:23>> I

41:23>> I

41:23>> I.

41:24>> Those who are opposed,

41:27those who are standing. Motion carry.

41:29The minutes are then now uh put into the

41:32records.

41:34This brings us to our session where we

41:37have public comment. Um Oh, I'm sorry.

41:43So, um, the the floor is open for public

41:48comment.

41:51>> Good evening, Donna Moore, County

41:53Council District 2. [clears throat]

41:55>> Can you read read that thing you read at

41:57the beginning? Um, that's in our charter

42:01about how this works.

42:03>> Okay. It says, "The corporate council

42:05shall advise and represent the CRB as it

42:08would other city departments and agency

42:11in accordance with the law department uh

42:13duties under section 5-1101

42:17of the city charter. Provided, however,

42:20that upon um the determination by the

42:23board or the council, the corporate

42:26council that a conflict of interest

42:28exists, depending on the facts and the

42:31circumstances of that particular matter,

42:33the core council will advise the CRB of

42:36the existence of such a conflict and the

42:40need for the board to obtain outside

42:42counsel. If such council is as deemed

42:45necessary by the board, the board may

42:48then seek and retain independent legal

42:50counsel provided however the uh

42:53compensation for such a legal service

42:55shall be established through the annual

42:58budgetary process as set forth in

43:00article five I mean article six of the

43:02city charter 1960 as amended.

43:05>> Thank you. I wasn't real clear the first

43:08time. I want to hear it again. Is

43:09[clears throat] it is it true that you

43:11guys had outside counsel prior?

43:14>> That is correct. We did have

43:15>> your outside counsel.

43:17>> Um I'm not sure who that was, but we

43:19have had outside counsel and we also

43:22used Bouquet and Hosting as outside

43:25counsel for the CRB as of now.

43:27>> So what issues have you used them for in

43:29the past?

43:31>> They were there when we had hearings.

43:33they would sit in and um give us any

43:37legal advice on where we could and

43:39couldn't go with the hearings.

43:41>> Okay. So, I'm just going to state this

43:43on the record. I believe there is a

43:45conflict of interest. I do not think,

43:47and no offense to our court counsel, but

43:49I do not think that you can uh

43:54fairly defend all three of those bodies.

43:58um the police, the [clears throat]

44:00police, the board, and the council all

44:03at once. I think it's a very much a

44:06conflict of interest. That is my

44:07personal opinion, and I wanted that on

44:09the record. Um

44:12and I hope that you guys are going to

44:13take steps to figure out how to move

44:15forward. I think what you're only asking

44:17for here is a declaratory judgment to

44:19find out if the Rochester law pertains

44:22to Syracuse. Correct.

44:23>> And that's what we've been waiting for

44:24for court counsel, and I have not

44:26received that as of yet. So, you're not

44:28fighting the city. You're asking the

44:30Rochester courts for a declaratory

44:32judgment. Does that law impact ours?

44:35Just for a little history for everybody

44:36in the room, in the past

44:39CRB has been sued by the PAB and went to

44:45the Rochester courts and the Rochester

44:47courts said that the way we operate our

44:49CRB is legal within limits and nothing

44:52has changed since then. If anybody takes

44:56the time to read the legal argument that

44:58was made against the Rochester

45:01PAB, it was very clear that the

45:04Rochester PAB was seeking judgment only

45:07upon that particular entity. So I

45:11understand what what some of the legal

45:14people are saying to us about the fact

45:17that it if it happens in the district,

45:19it's pertains to all of us. I think that

45:22we need to have a straight answer from

45:23the courts themselves. So, I just wanted

45:25to put that on the record and thank you

45:26for all you guys what you're doing.

45:27>> Thank you, Donna.

45:29>> Okay.

45:31Okay.

45:37Hi.

45:39>> Hello.

45:41Thank you for allowing me this

45:43opportunity to address this committee.

45:46My name is Tama Graves and I am here

45:49today because I believe accountability

45:53should not depend on who is being

45:55investigated.

45:56What department is involved or how

45:58difficult obtaining evidence becomes.

46:01[clears throat]

46:03I came to the CI civilian re board

46:06seeking answers about police conduct and

46:09the handling of my complaints.

46:12[clears throat]

46:12I reported my concerns because I

46:14believed there was a system in place to

46:16protect the public and independently

46:19review allegations of misconduct.

46:22But today, I find myself still asking

46:25questions.

46:27After sitting down with the civil war,

46:29Don Johnson, and having him review my

46:31files, I learned that the CRB is

46:34experiencing difficulty obtaining body

46:37cam footage necessary to properly

46:39examine my complaints.

46:44This raises a serious question, a

46:47serious concern.

46:49How can the public have confidence in

46:51independent oversight when the agency

46:54being complained about is also the

46:56agency that controls important evidence

47:00needed to investigate that complaint.

47:04The Syracuse Police Department is part

47:06of the very institution who conducts

47:11conducts. I am asking to have examined.

47:14The mayor office also has a

47:16responsibility to take concern about

47:18public accountability seriously.

47:24I want to know what safeguards exist to

47:28ensure that the investigations are

47:30independent and partial and not

47:33obstructed by the inst institutional

47:36barriers.

47:39If obtaining body cam footage is

47:42difficult, who is responsible making it

47:45available?

47:48What happens when the police department

47:50does not provide it?

47:53What authority does the civil review

47:55board have to obtain it? And what

47:57happens when the evidence needed to

47:59examine a complaint is controlled by the

48:02very department under review?

48:06I do not believe that a complaint should

48:08not become impossible to investigate

48:11simply because obtaining evidence is

48:14inconvenienced,

48:15complicated or disputed.

48:19If there are illegal restrictions

48:21preventing access to certain records, I

48:25want those restrictions identified and

48:27explained.

48:30I also want to know what lawful

48:33alternative exists to obtain the

48:35evidence or conduct a meaningful

48:37investigation.

48:41I am also concerned about the bias,

48:44unequal treatment, and whether my

48:46complaints received the attention they

48:48deserved when I initially brought them

48:50forward.

48:53My November 2022 complaint deserved

48:55attention when I submitted it. I should

48:58not have to return months or years later

49:01to still try to get someone to examine

49:03what happened.

49:06I believe that a timely investigation

49:08could have documented important

49:09evidence, addressed my concerns, and

49:12potentially prevented further harm.

49:15Instead, I have experienced prolonged

49:18uncertainties,

49:20frustrations, and the feelings that my

49:22voice do not matter.

49:25I want to make something clear. I am not

49:28asking this committee to take my words

49:31for everything. I am asking the

49:33committee to examine the records, locate

49:36the evidence, interview the witness,

49:39review the contact and documents

49:41findings.

49:43I want the following questions

49:45addressed. What happened to my original

49:48complaint?

49:50Was a complete investigation conducted?

49:53When the body cam footage was the body

49:56cam footage even requested?

49:59Which department or office have cussy of

50:02my records? If if the footage is

50:05unavailable, is there documentation

50:07explaining why?

50:10What other evidence has been reviewed?

50:14What authority does the civil review

50:16board have to obtain evidence when the

50:18police department does not provide it?

50:22What safeguards ensure the mayor office

50:24and the police department do not

50:26interfere with this independent

50:28oversight?

50:31What corrective action is available when

50:33complaints are not investigated

50:35properly?

50:37I am asking for transparency not

50:40excuses.

50:42I understand that an investigation can

50:44be complicated,

50:47but difficulty cannot become a permanent

50:49answer to legit legitimate questions

50:52about police conduct.

50:55I want my experience to mean something

50:57beyond my own circumstances.

51:00I want other residents to know that when

51:03they come forward, their complaint will

51:05not disappear into a file cabinet or

51:08become impossible to investigate.

51:11I should not have to fight this hard

51:15just to have my concerns even

51:17acknowledged.

51:19I I want you to see the person behind

51:22the paperwork. I am more than a

51:25complaint number.

51:27I am a human being who deserves to be

51:30heard, treated fairly, and respected.

51:35Behind every complaint is a real person,

51:39a real experience and consequences that

51:41can affect someone entire life.

51:46Public accountability cannot exist only

51:48on paper. It must assist in practice.

51:53If the system is responsible for

51:55reviewing complaints cannot obtain the

51:57evidence necessary to examine them, then

52:01we need to address that problem. We need

52:04transparency about the barriers,

52:07accountability for the process and

52:09meaningful answer for the people who

52:11come forward.

52:13I am standing here because I refuse to

52:16believe ordinary residents should have

52:18to a fewer protection simply because

52:20they do not have power or resources of a

52:23government institution.

52:26I am asking this committee, the mayor

52:29office and the Syracuse police

52:32department to take these concerns

52:34seriously. [clears throat] I want

52:37answers. I want investigation. I want

52:40transparency and I want accountability.

52:44I should not have to become an

52:45investigator myself just to get someone

52:48to investigate my complaint.

52:51Thank y'all for hearing me.

52:53>> Thank you.

52:54>> And you know what? We need more citizens

52:55like you stepping up to the mic to let

52:57the city know that we as a CRB need to

53:02have that ability to go in and

53:04investigate cases and figure out what's

53:07going on between the police board and

53:09the citizens of Syracuse. Thank you.

53:13[clears throat]

53:14>> Hello. Uh my name is Tammy Honeywell, a

53:16citizen of Syracuse. Um I want to back

53:20up what Donna said. I also agree that is

53:22a conflict of interest for corporation

53:24council to represent CRB among the city

53:27and the police department. Um I also

53:30think it's a conflict of interest for

53:32Boo Holstein to be the um entity that

53:36represents the CRB because Sue Katzoff

53:40um works in that office and anybody that

53:43works in that office underneath her

53:44there's going to be a conflict of

53:46interest. Um, it is also my

53:48understanding that because the police

53:51department is not complying with the

53:53investigations, the CRB has a right to

53:57take them to court, which is what you

54:00should be looking for outside counsel

54:02for, aside from the Rochester ruling. If

54:05they are not complying with your

54:07requests, you have a right to sue them.

54:09It's been done before and it can be done

54:11again. Um, you had stated earlier that

54:14there was a conversation about hiring an

54:16attorney out of New York City. Is that

54:18something the CRB has already discussed?

54:21>> That's what we have already discussed

54:22that.

54:22>> And when did you discuss that?

54:24>> That was probably

54:27right after our last meeting.

54:28>> Okay. Cuz that's another instance of

54:31something that should be talked about in

54:32this meeting space that is not being uh

54:35decided on in front. It's open meetings

54:37law. So that should be discussed in this

54:39setting in front of citizens that are

54:41here for these meetings. This has been a

54:43recurring thing that we've seen where

54:44open meetings laws have been violated.

54:47>> Well, um to to to put some clarification

54:50on that, we did mention that in our last

54:53meeting that we're going to be looking

54:54for in an attorney. So it was discussed

54:57in open meeting law. So

54:58>> right, but the New York City attorney

55:00wasn't decided on during an open meeting

55:03with the public hearing. decided on any

55:05outside litigation yet. Who we're

55:06hiring, not hiring.

55:07>> According to Don, you have

55:09>> We have

55:09>> No, we're looking at those attorney

55:11options.

55:12>> Okay. Um, if you need support from the

55:15public to get somebody to approve you

55:18getting outside counsel, there are

55:20people who are willing to do make those

55:22steps because we believe the work here

55:24is important and it needs to be done and

55:26the police department needs to be

55:27complying with the requests for these

55:29investigations.

55:30Um, one last point that I'd like to

55:32mention is, um, in the September

55:36meeting, it was stated that attendance

55:39at these meetings was going to be, uh,

55:41looked at more carefully. You have one

55:43particular board member who has not been

55:45here to at any of the meetings that I've

55:47attended, and I've only missed last

55:50month since, I believe, June, and she

55:53still remains on the board. So, I would

55:55I would like to know what you're going

55:57to do about board members who are not

55:59participating in the process.

56:00>> Okay. Here's the way the process works.

56:03Um, we have to we don't have the

56:06authority or the power to take someone

56:08off of the board. That has to be through

56:11their representative to their um council

56:14person. So, we we send them a note

56:16saying this person hasn't showed up for

56:18x number of meeting and then they have

56:20to make a decision on whether or not

56:22they're going to take them off at the

56:23board. So,

56:24>> isn't it in your bylaws that if they

56:26miss three consecutive meetings, they

56:27can be removed?

56:29>> Yes, but it has then they has to be

56:31voted on by the council to have them

56:33removed off of there

56:33>> and have those stops been moved forward

56:35because there are citizens here that

56:38would be more than willing to be part of

56:40the board and actually do the work.

56:42>> Well, we have two two slots that are

56:43open. So, um, anyone who wants to, uh,

56:47join on the board, um, send us to your

56:49resume and, uh, get with your whoever

56:52represents your area about getting on

56:54the board.

56:55>> Okay.

56:55>> Thank you.

56:56>> Thank you.

56:56>> You're welcome.

57:05>> Hold on.

57:09Okay. I haven't been down here since

57:102019.

57:12long long time.

57:14>> Welcome, Bon.

57:15>> Long time back when the CRB actually had

57:19investigators and had money and had

57:21lawyers.

57:22So, members of the board and members of

57:25the community, today, November 4th,

57:282026, marks exactly 24 years since the

57:31Syracuse police killed my children's

57:33father, my husband. We just wasn't

57:35married. On November 4th, 2002, the

57:38Syracuse Police Department taught me and

57:40my children

57:42the last thing that happens when you

57:45come in contact with the police

57:46department, and that's either an arrest,

57:49incarceration, or death. Since 2002, I

57:53have been in multiple health mental

57:55health outpatient programs. Every doctor

57:58and therapist has reached the same exact

58:00conclusion. I suffer from separation,

58:03anxiety, and trauma. But because New

58:05York State does not classify police

58:07brutality as a mental health condition,

58:10there is no medical care for a mother

58:11and family left in this position. There

58:14is nowhere left for someone like me to

58:16seek justice except for the CRB.

58:1923 people have died in Syracuse at the

58:21hands of the Syracuse Police Department

58:23since November 4th, 2002. All 23 have

58:27been found justified.

58:30We would like to believe that law

58:31enforcement would always tell the truth,

58:33but the records show otherwise. The

58:35Syracuse Police Department and the

58:37Anadoga County District Attorney's

58:38Office claimed that Eric died from a

58:40drug overdose. Yet, inside the police

58:43department's own internal files, his

58:45case is documented as a homicide.

58:48Tomorrow, the New York State Attorney

58:51General is going to announce that my

58:53stepson, Alex Rivera, died from a drug

58:56overdose. Alex Rivera is the man who the

59:02police killed over on Tail Avenue.

59:09They claim Alex took a bag of fentanyl.

59:12[clears throat]

59:14I actually was inside the AG's office

59:17two days well Monday with Myra and

59:19Jamie, Alex's mother.

59:22And what they're saying is that he took

59:25a bag of fentanyl and then four hours

59:28later he died from a drug overdose. 15

59:31minutes after he came in contact with

59:32the police.

59:34So now I don't know what we're going to

59:36believe because if you take a bag of

59:37fentanyl you're going to die

59:39immediately. That's why you guys have

59:41all this opious crisis and everything

59:43because you guys have data.

59:47It is the same exact pattern as my

59:49children's father. They conducted a raid

59:51at his mother's house and arrested her

59:53at the same location. The Syracuse

59:55Police Department knew my baby father's

59:57name. It is captured on the video

59:58footage from 2003 that I have and that

1:00:02the citizen review board has.

1:00:05The deputies said Eric's name. Well, the

1:00:09sheriff the police department said

1:00:11Eric's name. So, the sheriff deputies on

1:00:14camera

1:00:16had uh wrote down Eric's name. The

1:00:20police department disappeared on 9:06

1:00:23off camera that I watched. Everybody

1:00:26don't watch. Everybody sends Felicia.

1:00:29So I don't understand why it took an

1:00:31hour and 6 minutes for the police

1:00:33department just to go in the back door

1:00:35when it's like 4m minute ride. But if

1:00:38they had their sirens on, they could

1:00:39immediately go there. And then like an

1:00:41hour later, an hour and 10 minutes

1:00:43later, Eric died.

1:00:48We had to search for him like a dog

1:00:50because Syracuse officers claimed at

1:00:52upstate an hour later that they forgot

1:00:54his name even though they just arrested

1:00:56his mother at the same scene. All his

1:00:58medical paperwork and the C I have it

1:01:01and again the CRB has it. Everybody sees

1:01:05Mr. X.

1:01:08You literally have a police department

1:01:10that is having your community search for

1:01:13their people like a dog and then we

1:01:16can't find them because your police

1:01:19department wants to be ignorant and not

1:01:21give them their name.

1:01:24Meaning I took it took me 12 hours to

1:01:27find my baby father. It's not cute

1:01:31having medical records with Mr. X as a

1:01:34name line crossed out with his real name

1:01:37handwritten after we had identified him.

1:01:42How can anyone expect this community to

1:01:44put complete trust into having the

1:01:46police complaints investigated by the

1:01:49same exact people who hurt us while

1:01:51claiming to protect and serve. Over the

1:01:53past 23 years, complaint logs and public

1:01:56media reports documented hundreds of

1:01:58citizens grievance filed against SPD

1:02:01officers. We cannot rely on the Syracuse

1:02:04Police Department to be the sole enity

1:02:07investigating complaints against itself.

1:02:09That leaves complaints exposed to

1:02:12harassment and converts victims into

1:02:14targets. [snorts] If we do not have an

1:02:16independent outside entity to formally

1:02:19investigate these complaints,

1:02:21who can we go to? The same people who

1:02:23abuse us. The same people who take away

1:02:25our last breath at November 13, 2013.

1:02:29This is why I don't understand and this

1:02:30is exactly why I'm here. On November 13,

1:02:342013, then citizen review board

1:02:36administrator Joseph Leari and I worked

1:02:38together on a by city ordinance law that

1:02:42was formerly enacted into the Syracuse

1:02:44charter. And that says that if you don't

1:02:49investigate my police complaints right,

1:02:52you're going to have to.

1:02:55So unless the city common counselors

1:02:58actually take that law out, you guys

1:03:01have no choice but to investigate cuz

1:03:04it's in the Syracuse charter. It's a

1:03:06law. So I don't even know why we're

1:03:08here.

1:03:10Do not even listen to Syra to Rochester

1:03:12or their lawyers. Again, they Rochester

1:03:13don't even have a law like that inside a

1:03:15charter for their city. And you guys are

1:03:19literally basing Syracuse residents

1:03:22complaints and and everything like that

1:03:25on another city that has our own issues.

1:03:28Are we forgetting that Syracuse Police

1:03:29Department has the highest police

1:03:31brutality complaints in this in this

1:03:34nation? Are we forgetting that? Why are

1:03:37we even having this discussion?

1:03:40Everybody has a city- elected official.

1:03:42Why are you guys not sitting there

1:03:43telling your city- elected officials to

1:03:45go across this hall and go talk to

1:03:47corporation council? Cuz I know in 2013,

1:03:50November of 2013, them minutes,

1:03:53everything I'm I'm in there. We passed

1:03:56that. So, you have no choice but to

1:03:59investigate it. Otherwise, we sue the

1:04:01city because at the end of the day, the

1:04:03city funds you.

1:04:05That's all I have to say.

1:04:07>> Thank you. Thank you.

1:04:12How y'all doing? Okay.

1:04:13>> I wasn't going to come because uh I be

1:04:16in a lot of places and sometimes I don't

1:04:18want to make it sound. I'm just raising

1:04:19noise. My name Kamar B. I'm going to

1:04:21give you a personal experience. Right.

1:04:23First off, right? You can't comprehend

1:04:26nothing if you don't know about it.

1:04:29Personal experience. 2018 the SBD ran on

1:04:31my house. They said I was at this time I

1:04:33was a known activist. hindsight even the

1:04:36judge I mean the uh mayor Ben Walsh even

1:04:39wrote a letter for my federal judge

1:04:41saying I'm an activist right first off

1:04:43the police running my house they saying

1:04:46I got sales I'm telling the judge I

1:04:47don't sell crack

1:04:49come out in federal court right no sales

1:04:53no nothing I'm citizen review board I'm

1:04:55writing them going back and forth with

1:04:57them in the [clears throat] mix of it

1:04:59right I might get a little emotional

1:05:00because this took away from my family

1:05:01for 60 months I'm telling the citizen

1:05:04review board. All you got to do is is so

1:05:07many drug investigations that's messed

1:05:08up in the city of Syracuse. The control

1:05:11by is not controlled. Somebody can right

1:05:13now say, "Yo, I just brought drugs off

1:05:14of Joe Blow." And then Joe Blow get

1:05:16charged. No wire, no video, no camera,

1:05:19no nothing. So I'm showing this to the

1:05:20CRV, right? Personal experience, right?

1:05:22I'm fighting my case. So as I'm fighting

1:05:24my case, it's COVID time. They got me on

1:05:27the phone with a lieutenant. I'm like,

1:05:29"Yo, this is He's talking about my

1:05:30adolescent days. He's he's reviewing my

1:05:33case. He's a a lieutenant and turn over

1:05:35fears, but he's going to be biased. He's

1:05:37he's silent with his his officers, his

1:05:39peers. He's saying, "Well, Kamar, well,

1:05:41you know, you didn't um in in 2005, you

1:05:44didn't get caught with crack." I'm like,

1:05:45"Shit, 2005, I was 21." And we we

1:05:48talking about today. So, now we going

1:05:50through this uh the the the citizen

1:05:52review board process and it's like, I

1:05:53don't know if any of you guys got a law

1:05:55background. I represented myself in

1:05:57court three times efficiently, federal

1:06:00court, like efficiently, my own motions.

1:06:02I do appeals right now still to this

1:06:04day. I help dudes get out of prison to

1:06:06this day. Y'all can't sit on no board if

1:06:08you don't know no law. That should be a

1:06:10number one requirement. No disrespect to

1:06:11y'all because y'all might not understand

1:06:13what's going on when it's in front of

1:06:15you. Somebody got a complaint. You can't

1:06:17I use this example and it's hard I I use

1:06:20it and it's it's I'm not going to use

1:06:22it. I'm not going to use it, but I'mma

1:06:23use the example. You can't It's hard to

1:06:26help someone you can't identify or don't

1:06:28really know what's illegal or not

1:06:29illegal. At the time, the lady was

1:06:31running the CRV. I'm going back and

1:06:33forth with her. Soon as I come home, I

1:06:34pull up on her wait to the office. Hey,

1:06:36what's going on? And she like, "Well,

1:06:38Kamar," and I'm trying to show her like

1:06:40how the injustice is lies. Y'all can't

1:06:42y'all There's a lot of people that's

1:06:44taking these positions. It it ain't it

1:06:45ain't in their heart. And even if you

1:06:47know you don't got the knowledge, stop

1:06:49everybody taking these titles just to

1:06:51take them in this city respectfully.

1:06:53That's why we ain't never going nowhere.

1:06:55So now when you vote the CRV, you

1:06:57playing with life, liberty, you talking

1:06:59about due process. I feel there should

1:07:00be some type of voting for the CRB

1:07:02board, not because elected official

1:07:04putting you on saying, "Yo, I vouched

1:07:06for them." No. What's your history? Have

1:07:08you ever been incarcerated? Have you

1:07:09ever been oppressed? Have you ever Do

1:07:11you know anything about law? Have you

1:07:13ever been part? Like what's that? So

1:07:15it's like it's never going to change cuz

1:07:16like it's like just a that's all this

1:07:18is. I'm telling you personal experience.

1:07:20I had them where I could have literally

1:07:21got a whole bunch of black men out. I'm

1:07:24It was in black and white. You can still

1:07:25go You can still go see it. When I go to

1:07:27the corporation council, they turn they

1:07:29turn they found their face up at me

1:07:30because they know I fight. I'm talking

1:07:32about it's in black and white. My name

1:07:34is Kamar Bolman. My case was a federal

1:07:36case. They come in my house. He said I

1:07:37got sales. I'm telling them I don't sell

1:07:39crack. The judge telling me, "Hey, Mr.

1:07:40Bowman, you sure you don't sell crack?"

1:07:41Like, "Judge, I don't sell crack." They

1:07:43lying. Then one day, 18 months later,

1:07:45the judge asking the county, my federal

1:07:47judge, "Yo, where's these crack sales at

1:07:49me?" I said, "Mr. Boltman had they never

1:07:51appeared. They like they never appeared.

1:07:53Like so it's like at the end of the day,

1:07:55like I said, I just saw it on Facebook.

1:07:57So I'm like, Allah just pushed me here.

1:07:59I wasn't going to come because I get

1:08:00emotional. Like this is a y'all

1:08:02playing with the wrong thing. This

1:08:03be affecting mad lives. Mad people

1:08:06getting no press in this city. And y'all

1:08:08just don't be on no board to be on no

1:08:09board. If you ain't going to make no

1:08:10change, if you ain't speaking for the

1:08:11people, get out of the way. Cuz

1:08:13respectfully, you got a group of men

1:08:15that just feel like they about to start

1:08:16getting people out the way. I already

1:08:17got to get them out the way. That

1:08:18And I'm one of them. People be in the

1:08:20way for now. Y'all playing on people

1:08:21life. I know people that's in jail right

1:08:23review board complaining about how their

1:08:25case illegal and ain't NOBODY GETTING

1:08:26BACK TO THEM. YOU GOT BLACK MEN,

1:08:28HISPANIC MEN AWAY FROM THEIR FAMILY cuz

1:08:30the CRB AIN'T DOING THEIR JOB.

1:08:33I'm on PRISON CALLS 10 15 HOURS A DAY.

1:08:35MY BROTHERS GOT 40 LIFE NATURAL LIFE. NO

1:08:38PAROLE. So I'm I feel it even though I'm

1:08:41out. I still I'm I still I'm in prison.

1:08:43Yo, bro, the CRB we sent that. They

1:08:45ain't get back to us. Why y'all ain't

1:08:47getting back to the people? But I

1:08:49understand that I understand that y'all

1:08:52might not comprehend law. I and I don't

1:08:54know. Maybe you guys do have a law

1:08:56background. Maybe you have been through

1:08:58the system. But respectfully, you can't

1:09:00put nobody on no board that don't you

1:09:02talking about law not easy. You can't

1:09:04put nobody on no board. No disrespect

1:09:06towards nobody. But if you ain't got no

1:09:08law background, you shouldn't be on this

1:09:10board because the police, they going to

1:09:12get y'all. How it go? They telling me

1:09:14that a lieutenant is was investigating

1:09:17my case. The first thing he said to me

1:09:19on the phone, I'm in Raybrook. I'm

1:09:20pre-trial. First thing he said on the

1:09:21phone with me is Kamar. What happened in

1:09:232005? We talking about 2018.

1:09:26I'm poking hoes and I'm telling him who

1:09:28the informant is. His name is Levon

1:09:29Johnson. Every time he came to try to

1:09:31buy crack off me, I didn't. They s they

1:09:33send him at me for a whole different

1:09:34reason. Know what I'm saying? But I'm

1:09:36trying to go through the CRV and it was

1:09:38no assistance. My mother's stressing my

1:09:40I'm missing my kids life and I'm a

1:09:42shifter in this community. Like a real

1:09:44shifter. I'mma shake this with the

1:09:46city behind me or not for the best way.

1:09:49So it's like y'all be y'all I don't know

1:09:51man. We got to fix this up. Like I said

1:09:53reason I came down because I saw on

1:09:54Facebook this bad though for real

1:09:56for real. And respectfully like if you

1:09:57don't know law you should get out of the

1:09:59way cuz y'all jamming the system up.

1:10:00That's what's wrong with this city.

1:10:02People will be in position know they

1:10:03can't respectfully knowing they can't

1:10:05handle these titles. That's why our city

1:10:07so Dr. It's so like uh elected none

1:10:11don't mean nothing unless you going to

1:10:12put the work in. It's it's just the same

1:10:15faces with different titles. You got

1:10:18that GOT TO STOP IN OUR CITY. And

1:10:19we we playing with life, y'all.

1:10:21And when y'all when y'all check go over

1:10:23to the corporation council and look at

1:10:24my complaint, y'all going to see his

1:10:26ballot for 40 something months on

1:10:28preach. Y'all, I'm telling the federal

1:10:30judge they got no crack sales on me,

1:10:31nothing. I'm telling them, yo, listen.

1:10:33Y'all can I'm telling the police, the

1:10:35SPD, I'm writing to the corporation. I

1:10:37told him, "Y'all can ping my phone. If

1:10:39you got me in the two second vicinity, a

1:10:41twominute vicinity of a sale, y'all can

1:10:44put me in jail for the for the maximum

1:10:45time, 120 months." Everything was they

1:10:49reverting back over the feds got your

1:10:50case. This is SPD investigation. That's

1:10:53another thing too the CRV got. But y'all

1:10:55might not know the law. When the case is

1:10:57illegal, let me tell you what the city

1:10:59do. They give the case to the feds. Like

1:11:02cuz now now now it's a different ball

1:11:05game. Now they trying to make Now is it

1:11:07and y'all got to understand this. When

1:11:09the cases be illegal, the SPD give it to

1:11:12THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. NOW THE FIGHT

1:11:14DIFFERENT. NOW THEY GOT you four hours

1:11:16away in New Jersey on pre-trial during

1:11:19CO and your mama can't come see you and

1:11:20she got cancer and nobody pick up the

1:11:22phone. The changes. That's what I'm

1:11:24saying. If y'all don't really So y'all

1:11:26like the dynamics is deeper than what

1:11:27y'all think. That's why the city jamming

1:11:29up like this.

1:11:30>> Okay.

1:11:31>> Yeah. Well, I want to thank you cuz uh

1:11:33we got to get some other people.

1:11:34>> And again, respectfully, can't nobody

1:11:36rush me on no mic when I'm talking about

1:11:38really change. I don't know your name,

1:11:40but you going to know my name. My name

1:11:41Kamar Lavoy Bowman. I listen, I don't

1:11:43respect it for nobody

1:11:44>> from the It can be Kathy Hok when we

1:11:47talking about something that serious.

1:11:48Listen to me cuz I ain't see you rush no

1:11:50female off this mic. So you ain't going

1:11:51to rush me off this mic. Again, my

1:11:53people No, no, MY PEOPLE GETTING NO

1:11:55PRESSURE. I GOT NO PRESS BY THIS. I

1:11:57ain't This ain't NO THIRD PARTY. I GOT

1:11:59TO TAKEN AWAY FROM MY FAMILY AND kids

1:12:01when I was shifting the community. I'm

1:12:03the first one talking financial literacy

1:12:05for the youth. I can go get 30 40 dudes

1:12:08off a block right now, put them in one

1:12:09room and figure out how to dead the

1:12:11beef. I can do that with my assistance

1:12:13with my team. So you ain't going you

1:12:14ain't cut them females off. Don't cut me

1:12:16off. I don't take nothing from nobody

1:12:18respectfully. Respectfully ask anybody

1:12:21about me. And when it come to freedom,

1:12:23life, liberty, and our people getting

1:12:25oppressed, that's a whole another story.

1:12:28I'm real as it get. I ain't faking. I

1:12:30ain't doing none of that. If you think

1:12:31you going to disrespect me, it ain't

1:12:32going to happen. On the mic, off the

1:12:35mic, lieutenant here, the feds here. It

1:12:37ain't going to happen. They have to bury

1:12:38me before I let somebody make me be

1:12:40mute. Especially when it's about our

1:12:42people, not me, our people. How many

1:12:45people call your phone from jail talking

1:12:46about the CRB ain't doing their job? How

1:12:49many? How many? I go, I gotta hear this.

1:12:53Yo, Brody, what up? They ain't this is

1:12:55this illegal. They ain't responding

1:12:57back. MY PEOPLES, I'M in tune. I ain't

1:12:59going nowhere. I'mma have $78 million.

1:13:02I'm gonna be in the prison chilling with

1:13:03my childhood friends cuz we brothers. I

1:13:05ain't turning my back on nothing. But

1:13:07again, I saw her live and I'm coming to

1:13:09check. Y'all, y'all got to fix this,

1:13:10bro. Y'all can't y'all can't keep

1:13:12letting these people do us like this.

1:13:13And it ain't nothing about no race, no

1:13:15nothing. But the black and the

1:13:16minorities get no press. We don't know

1:13:18law. We don't know nothing when it come

1:13:20to the law. And that's just

1:13:22systemically. So now when we going

1:13:24through a system, we seeing they PUT THE

1:13:26BLACK FACES IN THEIR ASS AND THAT

1:13:27JUST THROWING THE people off. BUT I SEE

1:13:29THROUGH all that. My whole life I have.

1:13:32And again, respectfully, I don't know

1:13:33who you is, but don't never cut no grown

1:13:35man off when you talking. You better off

1:13:36cutting off a woman cuz she going to

1:13:37accept it. This man ain't. But again,

1:13:40y'all, we going to fix this. I'm on

1:13:41board. Whatever y'all need, whoever with

1:13:43the movement, I'm going to give y'all

1:13:44laws. I ain't going to talk. I'm going

1:13:46to put it in black and white. And I'm

1:13:47going to show you what I can do. And

1:13:48y'all just take it and y'all fight. But

1:13:50it's deeper than that. Allow me

1:13:51brothers. I got in jail crying about

1:13:53money, but I got a lot.

1:13:54>> All right. Thank you.

1:14:10[clears throat]

1:14:12>> I'm Dr. El Michael Odexi.

1:14:15I'm going

1:14:17speak um

1:14:21behalf of as a community leader and

1:14:23activist as well as a parent and and a a

1:14:26person that has worked with the CRB as

1:14:29Yolan as um

1:14:32Yavon has stated and the boat right

1:14:37I don't think that anyone on the that's

1:14:39sitting here has a legal background or

1:14:41is an attorney that's at the

1:14:45and most of you have been uh selected or

1:14:49chosen by the common council to come in.

1:14:53Um we are

1:14:56hurting in the city of Syracuse. I moved

1:14:58back about 12 years ago and the city of

1:15:02Syracuse is really hurting whether

1:15:04you're white, black, green or polka dot

1:15:06but it seems like the polka dot, the

1:15:08green and the people of color are being

1:15:11hurt the most. So when you do a walls

1:15:15with people and those of you that don't

1:15:17know what a walls is is a dance and you

1:15:18do a circle and you send them back out

1:15:20the door and everything's okay and pat

1:15:22them on the head. We have to understand

1:15:25that if the CRB during Joey Laari's time

1:15:30was able to access an attorney and use

1:15:34my information and others because I'm

1:15:36the person that Frank Fowler was found

1:15:39to be in misconduct and impersonating a

1:15:42police officer in the town of Gettis

1:15:44because you're not a Syracuse police

1:15:46officer in the town of Get unless you're

1:15:47pursuing someone. All right, so they

1:15:50sued. They sued. The CRB sued

1:15:53and it became we were looking for money.

1:15:57We didn't even know that the CRB had

1:15:58used our files. All right.

1:16:02And it had somewhat of a bite. Every

1:16:05case that I worked on with Joey, it was

1:16:08uh successfully won. Every single one of

1:16:12them. All right. So, as each one of you

1:16:15are handpicked and are here, um, there

1:16:18is a former board member that's sitting

1:16:20here now, and he loved to cut people off

1:16:23because they didn't want to hear from

1:16:24us. And Mr. vote rights back here. And I

1:16:28just want to kind of piggyback on

1:16:30something he said and I know Yvon and I

1:16:34know the different ones. Not one time

1:16:36were they cut off, but when you get a

1:16:39man that speaks with authority and and

1:16:41not to take back, you get some women

1:16:43that they'll throw some hot grits on you

1:16:44if you if you go too far. All right?

1:16:47Because they go they're going to get

1:16:47their point across. But it seems like

1:16:49when men are standing up talking, then

1:16:51it's all of a sudden we get cut. I know

1:16:53it's time shorting short. Uh excuse me.

1:16:55I know it's not enough time to have a

1:16:57lengthy conversation, but this is very

1:16:59serious. People like me can't get on

1:17:01this board because I'm outspoken. But

1:17:05people that have been incarcerated, as

1:17:07he said, I I went to prison. I had no no

1:17:10criminal history, nothing. I was just

1:17:12Dr. Dexter and I just had to go to

1:17:14silence me.

1:17:16All right. And it was proven by the

1:17:18state of New York that I was never

1:17:19supposed to be in prison. This CRB had

1:17:22somewhat of a bite during Joy Learn. The

1:17:25last administration was unequivocally

1:17:28uneducated in the area. Can I use that

1:17:31word or make that statement? The current

1:17:35director now is a is a question or

1:17:37executive. There's a question mark. My

1:17:40godmother Louise Po Dexter who was a

1:17:42community activist in this city for

1:17:45decades was murdered at upstate

1:17:48hospital. There's no need to sign ma'am.

1:17:50I'm going to say what I got to say. I'm

1:17:51not going to preach a Baptist sermon.

1:17:53I'm saying to you is that she received a

1:17:55letter from this CRB and also one from

1:17:58Mr. Cecil saying that they would do an

1:18:01investigation.

1:18:02That investigation never happened. I

1:18:04still have those letters and your your

1:18:08current

1:18:09director executive was over the records

1:18:12that disappeared in the police

1:18:14department. Now, Miss Tanahan Hill is a

1:18:17wonderful person and so forth and so on,

1:18:19but there's a question mark whether the

1:18:21validity or there's a conflict of

1:18:23interest that the police department is

1:18:24now running the CRB. So, we can get

1:18:27someone from New York City, we can go to

1:18:29Saturn and get an attorney. You can go

1:18:31wherever, but it needs to be from the

1:18:34people. This CRB when I came along and I

1:18:37understood it's supposed to be

1:18:38self-sufficient. You're actually

1:18:39supposed to receive salary. I know that

1:18:41every one of you sitting around this

1:18:42table except for Miss Tanny Hill does

1:18:44not receive a salary to be here. That's

1:18:47why some of these other people aren't

1:18:48showing up probably.

1:18:50But I do know when records disappear in

1:18:52the records department and then we say

1:18:54that oh Dr. Dex is not qualified but I

1:18:56got a legal background.

1:18:59I've successfully

1:19:01worked with people in the state of

1:19:02Florida, Georgia, Alabama, all the way

1:19:05up Mason Dixon line till I get here and

1:19:06I meet Foul Frank and all of a sudden I

1:19:08get to be public enemy number one. His

1:19:10statement, not mine.

1:19:13All right. So, all I'm saying to you is

1:19:16that maybe Miss Tanah Hill could do a

1:19:18great job and maybe she will do a great

1:19:19job. But my question mark is where's

1:19:21Louise Point Dexter's records that

1:19:24disappeared and they were there but

1:19:26they're not there. So then we get to the

1:19:28police department thinking that people

1:19:30of color is just we're just ignorant

1:19:33people. All right, disadvantaged whites.

1:19:36We're just, you know, ignorant people

1:19:39when a rookie says that the detective

1:19:41told them to handle the whole entire

1:19:43case. And then on body cam,

1:19:48they're saying that, oh, there's a

1:19:49there's a record. Here's a here's a

1:19:51number for the the incident. And then

1:19:55they lie and say, oh, that's Dr. Dexter,

1:19:57he doesn't need to have anything

1:19:58investigated. That's what this CRB does.

1:20:01And and I chew my food more than one

1:20:03time. It tastes better the second time.

1:20:05So if you're here just because somebody

1:20:06appointed you and we're not looking at

1:20:09cases in the proper manner, that's a

1:20:12serious issue. But to say you got to go

1:20:13to New York City to get a lawyer, Joy

1:20:16got one right here. He was pretty good.

1:20:19But then he had the rest of us behind

1:20:21him in order to make it successful. So,

1:20:24what we're trying to do now is have uh

1:20:28you know, when a group is singing and

1:20:29all of a sudden Otis wants to be the the

1:20:32leader and and anybody coming to hear

1:20:33Otis, you make a whole another citizen

1:20:37review board 2.0 outside of here and

1:20:40then we get rid of all y'all. Y' can go

1:20:42and plant color greens and and and

1:20:43tulips and then we will fund it. We will

1:20:47get a lawyer

1:20:49for you or for us to be able to

1:20:52represent us. All I'm saying to you

1:20:54right now is that there needs to be not

1:20:56this CRB. It needs to be something else

1:20:58in place. If we're saying this, doing

1:21:01this dance and we're saying, "Oh, we're

1:21:02going to New York City. We're still

1:21:04looking into it." All those are

1:21:05filibuster movements. But I want to know

1:21:07where those records went. And I plan on

1:21:10finding out where those records went.

1:21:12All right. But right now, neither one of

1:21:16the investigations ever happened.

1:21:21That little gal now is over there at the

1:21:22school board. She about bride as a box

1:21:25of rocks. You you can quote me on that.

1:21:26Y'all got me on YouTube. Bless her

1:21:28little heart. She has some place in

1:21:29heaven with Hillary Clinton.

1:21:32She did not do her job, but she was paid

1:21:34all those years. Now we have people

1:21:36that's here and you're talking about

1:21:38Rochester and I was there whenever this

1:21:42law was put in there. You don't have to

1:21:44piggy back off the Rochester. Y'all too

1:21:45scared. I'm I'm going to do like my

1:21:47nephews that were just killed not too

1:21:48long ago. I'm play Sharon Owens real

1:21:49quick. I might get in trouble for saying

1:21:51this, but I'm not. If y'all scared of

1:21:54Sharon and she's running you all and and

1:21:56and the common counselor, not all of

1:21:58them, maybe some of them running you or

1:22:00you you should go outside the box like

1:22:02Joey did. He went around them and some

1:22:05counselors will help and aid you, but I

1:22:08mean cutting people off and then hearing

1:22:10them because right now I'm I came

1:22:12because I saw Yvon's post. All right, I

1:22:15guess it switched from Thursday to

1:22:16Wednesday nights. I don't know. But my

1:22:19point in saying all what I said is that

1:22:23investigate investigations are not

1:22:25happening. So why go get a lawyer?

1:22:29You might need to get a lawyer to

1:22:30dismantle.

1:22:33So my question is where is the records

1:22:37right now and the investigation and the

1:22:40[clears throat] followup that never

1:22:41happened? She died in 2023 or she was

1:22:43murdered in 2023.

1:22:45Affixiated

1:22:47in the hospital

1:22:52was never looked at. Never ever. You and

1:22:55I spoke about it.

1:22:57Okay. And and so where is where's that

1:23:01at?

1:23:02Cuz what I'm getting ready to do is sue

1:23:04the the CRB. Now I got a couple of I got

1:23:07a couple of pennies.

1:23:14We're talking.

1:23:21>> I'm I'm aware of that. Well, I'll talk

1:23:22I'll talk with you in a second. So, I

1:23:24understand that you have certain

1:23:27counselors that were running on that

1:23:29with the with the police, uh, sitting

1:23:31down with the police, uh, trying to

1:23:34control the CRB. Dr. Chawwaka or

1:23:36whatever his name is was over there

1:23:37sitting down talking playing us. When I

1:23:41say us, us in the community, white,

1:23:43black, green, playing us and giving the

1:23:45police whatever. Right now, the police

1:23:47are are running the CRB and they're

1:23:50running their uh internal affairs or

1:23:54whatever they call it over there.

1:23:55They're running both places. So, that's

1:23:56why that you will never get anything

1:23:58from them. Body footage. I got body

1:24:01footage and I'm looking at the lady

1:24:03lying. But we still haven't seen now. We

1:24:05see her and Louise on there talking, but

1:24:08nothing has been done. And you can't use

1:24:10Rochester.

1:24:12That has nothing to do with here. Unless

1:24:14a federal judge does a junction across

1:24:16New York State and says, "Okay, well,

1:24:19nobody can use it."

1:24:23Did anyone say that to you that that a

1:24:25federal judge said that? I'm asking the

1:24:27question.

1:24:30>> Nope. I know you're scared to answer

1:24:31right now cuz I said sue it. But what

1:24:34you said what now?

1:24:34>> Nope.

1:24:35>> You were just slow. So I didn't know if

1:24:37you were going to answer it or not. So

1:24:38no federal judges told you that. So why

1:24:40aren't we doing investigations? Why

1:24:42aren't we looking into calling people

1:24:44where uh what was that gal's name that

1:24:47was here? Uh it was a former

1:24:51Rette. Yeah. Rolford.

1:24:54>> Vote Rafford. Vote for the name. You

1:24:56know,

1:24:56>> the city's position is no investigations

1:24:59go forward until the Rochester decisions

1:25:04>> decided. So, but but

1:25:07>> you can come to

1:25:08>> there's no there's no timetable on that.

1:25:10Their position is they're not giving us

1:25:12body cam footage. They're not giving us

1:25:15police reports. That came directly from

1:25:16the police chief.

1:25:18>> There's you can't get in touch with. But

1:25:19go ahead. I'm not talking about you. I'm

1:25:21talking about even the community you

1:25:21can't get in touch with. police chief

1:25:23has responded to the board when we

1:25:24formally asked for body cam

1:25:26>> police [clears throat] reports.

1:25:28Stonewall, they're not giving it up

1:25:29until that case is resolved to whatever

1:25:32they think is appropriate.

1:25:34>> Okay.

1:25:35>> So, the only remedy here, the only

1:25:37remedy [clears throat] here at this

1:25:38point is seeking

1:25:41outside counsel to subpoena body cam and

1:25:45police reports. Now, if you can get your

1:25:48police reports and your body cams,

1:25:50please forward us those records because

1:25:53the city's position right now.

1:25:55>> What is not we're doing nothing,

1:25:57>> right? But you got someone,

1:25:58>> not the board's position. We voted on

1:25:59the floor that we're continuing

1:26:01investigations.

1:26:02>> But you have an executive that's being

1:26:04investigated right now because that was

1:26:06her watch. She was a she was over the

1:26:08records department.

1:26:10>> So, she should I mean, when you go down

1:26:12there, they get mad when you even

1:26:13mention a name.

1:26:13>> I'm not sure what Can you expand on

1:26:15that? Well, I can I'll be I'll do more

1:26:17than that. I'd expound on it for you.

1:26:19All right. When you mention Miss Tanny

1:26:21Hill's name in records during her tenure

1:26:24and the police department, nobody wants

1:26:27to talk other than use profanity. You

1:26:29can't get a record.

1:26:31>> I'm just telling you, the chief has

1:26:33blocked our access to Axon

1:26:35and police reports.

1:26:36>> Okay. So, what I'm saying to you is

1:26:38that's something that Sharon Owens and

1:26:39that [snorts] police chief that she

1:26:41handpicked who also is involved with

1:26:43Louise passing because he called her on

1:26:45the phone. I got the recording saying he

1:26:47was going to investigate then use you

1:26:48all to investigate and now he's a police

1:26:50chief.

1:26:51>> I can only tell you what we received

1:26:53from the chief and that is no body cam,

1:26:56no police records. We we we requested

1:26:58that.

1:26:59>> How much money does the CRB have in

1:27:00their in their uh in their little war

1:27:02chest?

1:27:03>> Uh ideally we would need more above

1:27:06>> No. No. What is it?

1:27:07>> Cuz you got community people here.

1:27:09Whether they they like me or not, I you

1:27:11know, I I I'm just saying to you that we

1:27:13might be able to get a couple of a

1:27:15couple of dollars together. We might be

1:27:16able to do like some of the people

1:27:17standing on the corner talking about

1:27:18they need money and they riding off in

1:27:20the Lexus. We might be able to help get

1:27:21some money to help fund which will give

1:27:23traction with the news.

1:27:25>> Yeah.

1:27:26>> You understand? And so, so, so how much

1:27:28do you have? I mean, you can get back

1:27:29with me on it.

1:27:30>> Yeah. We'll get

1:27:31>> Don't play Dawn now. Don't get back with

1:27:32me for a year now.

1:27:33>> Don and I All right.

1:27:36Well, you know,

1:27:37>> do you know how much is in there? That's

1:27:39my question.

1:27:40>> Here's the thing.

1:27:41>> Well, how much is in the in the account?

1:27:43>> I would have to look.

1:27:44>> Okay. So, you want to get back with me

1:27:45on that?

1:27:46>> I will get back with you on that.

1:27:47>> Okay.

1:27:48>> I actually I'll get back with you

1:27:49tomorrow on that.

1:27:50>> Now, here's the thing is nothing would

1:27:53push this forward faster than citizens

1:27:56suing the CRB.

1:27:58>> Oh, I know that. Thank you for for

1:28:00reiterating that. I I already know that.

1:28:01Appreciate you trying to share. No, no,

1:28:03but I'm saying when you're saying that,

1:28:04you know, to bring a suit against the

1:28:06CRB, that would

1:28:08>> I'm doing against the indiv. Excuse me

1:28:09for cutting you off. I'm going to let

1:28:10you finish.

1:28:11>> That would definitely help the our

1:28:12cause.

1:28:13>> Yeah. But I want to do it, of course, on

1:28:14individuals is on the board. That makes

1:28:17it more even effective because now you

1:28:18personally are are not blanketed. You

1:28:21you have you have to ask some questions.

1:28:22Go when you when you go down, you got to

1:28:24raise that hand up and say, "Well, I got

1:28:26rid of this record. Oh, I I I I didn't

1:28:29investigate this because I chose not to

1:28:31because oh yella Dr. Dexter came in, you

1:28:34you have to answer certain questions. So

1:28:36when you make it personal, I already

1:28:39said that, but I want to know how much

1:28:40you had so we could kind of push you

1:28:42along. You would have to go to New York

1:28:43City. I think Brian hot dogs taste

1:28:46better than the other ones anyway.

1:28:50>> Okay.

1:28:50>> Okay. How many people are on the board

1:28:53now?

1:28:55>> There's a total of

1:28:57like live people that come.

1:29:00>> There's always a quorum.

1:29:01>> There's only two vacancies.

1:29:02>> Yeah, there's two vacancies. Well, no,

1:29:03there's only one vacancy now

1:29:05>> cuz we do have a new board. Oh, this

1:29:07>> Well, they're not sworn in. So, they're

1:29:08not on

1:29:09>> Yeah, they're not on the board.

1:29:10>> You just said on record that you had two

1:29:12open seats. Was I only person heard

1:29:14that?

1:29:17>> Well, we have one open seat.

1:29:18>> But you only have one. You don't have

1:29:20two.

1:29:20>> So, you misspoke saying it was two.

1:29:23>> And they're just not sworn in.

1:29:26sworn in.

1:29:26>> I'm sorry, Miss T. You were saying

1:29:28>> there's two to one is sworn in. So,

1:29:31there's still vacancy.

1:29:32>> All right. So, that part wasn't actually

1:29:34given.

1:29:35>> Okay.

1:29:35>> So, you know, we I just heard two some

1:29:37you said put your resumes in. I didn't

1:29:39know that was even a thing. So, anyhow,

1:29:40I don't want to take up any more time

1:29:42because I know she has a rebuttal. I

1:29:43just want to make sure that you all

1:29:45aware that it's just not tonight with

1:29:48me. You know, I'm gonna go into private

1:29:51practice so I can shut the city down

1:29:53again with the 15,000 people and see if

1:29:55we can get some people to sit in the

1:29:56street on State Street and no judge and

1:29:58nobody can go go home. We got to go back

1:30:00to that. No justice, no peace.

1:30:04>> Thank you.

1:30:07[clears throat]

1:30:07>> So, I just So, I'm going to put my phone

1:30:10up there. You guys could take a picture

1:30:11so that way you guys could look up this

1:30:13charter law. But within the city's

1:30:17Syracuse city charter and revised

1:30:19general ordinance, this law is codified

1:30:21under, you guys could take a picture,

1:30:23look it up, the core directive, the

1:30:26ordinance explicitly mandates that the

1:30:28CRB shall hear, investigate, and review

1:30:31complaints and recommend actions

1:30:33regarding police misconduct. You guys

1:30:36have 60 days. I know I helped Joseph

1:30:39Leari with this. If I was to go ahead

1:30:42and file a police complaint right now,

1:30:44regardless what the mayor and the chief

1:30:47of police says, I have a lawsuit because

1:30:51this is in the city charter telling you

1:30:54guys to go ahead and investigate the

1:30:57complaints. I don't care what a chief of

1:30:59police says and I don't care what Sharon

1:31:01says. And I did endorse her in the first

1:31:04place. The fact that this is a charter

1:31:06law that supersedes anything than

1:31:09anybody saying, "Well, we're going to

1:31:11wait on Rochester." We could literally

1:31:13sue you guys for not investigating these

1:31:16complaints.

1:31:17>> So, just that way you guys know this.

1:31:21>> Are we having we already have that?

1:31:23>> Why are we having this conversation

1:31:24then? If it's a This is what I don't

1:31:26understand.

1:31:27>> They're blocking us. They're blocking.

1:31:29>> But they're not blocking you. No,

1:31:31they're not. Because legally you guys

1:31:33have if there's a if there's a law

1:31:36>> and

1:31:37>> doesn't mean they're following the law.

1:31:39>> So why you guys ain't suing them?

1:31:41>> Right.

1:31:41>> We're looking into legal rec.

1:31:43>> No. Why? So I was here when Joey sat

1:31:45there and got the lawyer. I was here.

1:31:46>> The energy is right there.

1:31:48>> Listen, I was here with Felicia since

1:31:50day one with Felicia since November

1:31:52since February 3rd, 2003. I have went

1:31:55through every CRB president. I have HAD

1:31:59MY VIDEO ALTERED. I HAD TO HAVE Reette

1:32:02sign my name, Anukica Plane, dated

1:32:06February of 2017 for a 2002 incident.

1:32:12That is how I got my hearing and won my

1:32:14hearing.

1:32:17THIS IS A LAW. YOU GUYS TELL US. NO,

1:32:20EVERYBODY TELLS US TO LISTEN TO the law

1:32:21otherwise we get in trouble.

1:32:23>> Absolutely.

1:32:23>> So, what is the problem? THIS IS A LAW.

1:32:25OTHERWISE, I'm going to tell everybody

1:32:27in Syracuse to go ahead and go sue you

1:32:29guys. It would be a class action

1:32:30lawsuit. It would be devastating to the

1:32:33city of Syracuse.

1:32:34>> And and that's sometimes that's what

1:32:36need

1:32:41>> got to control it.

1:32:44>> I'm I'm going give you the law.

1:32:47>> I'm going give you

1:32:49that supposed to do. So when you engage

1:32:53and when you come up with these excuses,

1:32:55this is what happened to me.

1:32:57I I'll give y'all law. But this what I'm

1:32:59saying this what I'm this what I'm

1:33:01saying about understanding not having a

1:33:03criminal background, right? If a if if a

1:33:05somebody who's making a complaint, if

1:33:07they're a defendant, right, you use the

1:33:09attorney as the vehicle to get the

1:33:11discovery. Um CPL 25.10,

1:33:15the prosecutor got to turn over

1:33:18evidence, the discovery to the

1:33:20defendant. So now if the CRV can't get

1:33:23it from the from the from the police

1:33:25chief or whatever that is, I ain't got

1:33:27no issue with them. You use the vehicle

1:33:29of the the attorney the attorney that's

1:33:32representing someone who got a se who

1:33:34got a claim with the CRB. So now y'all

1:33:37got the same discovery. And so y'all can

1:33:39know this, right? Off personal, you can

1:33:41off of off of personal experience and

1:33:43other experience of of people I know.

1:33:46Sometimes the CRV get information from

1:33:49the whoever they get the information for

1:33:51from and it's redacted. I that's what I

1:33:54went through with Reette. Reette like I

1:33:55can't read certain stuff. I got I got a

1:33:58multi-million dollar lawsuit against the

1:33:59county right now. That's what my case

1:34:01stand over. I'm I'm the one I'm the

1:34:03Bridget Dor situation. They start trial

1:34:06in January. The county got to give me

1:34:07four or five million or or we going to

1:34:10trial. This is a live case right now.

1:34:12This this what my case them stem over.

1:34:13So I I I I'm put on the record because

1:34:15my lawyer say I can speak about it if I

1:34:17want to now but it's deep with me. So

1:34:19I'm giving y'all an avenue where y got

1:34:21to understand. All you got to use is the

1:34:22discovery. If they got if it's a

1:34:24defendant, contact the lawyer. And then

1:34:27when you get the discovery, y'all going

1:34:28to have it in for not going to be

1:34:29redacted. Nothing going to be hidden.

1:34:31Cuz when Reette was going through my

1:34:33situation, she's saying, "Camar, I can't

1:34:34see everything." I'm telling her, I'm

1:34:36representing myself in federal court.

1:34:38This is what I have for you. And I'm

1:34:40sending it to her and she telling me it

1:34:42ain't balancing out. So she don't as in

1:34:45her position, she don't know if I'm

1:34:47giving her altered

1:34:49material or if the material is

1:34:50authentic. She don't know if the

1:34:52material she getting from whoever she

1:34:54get her material from if that was

1:34:55altered. But again, I'm giving y'all cuz

1:34:57we want to talk about how to cuz I got

1:34:59here a little emotional. So, we going to

1:35:01talk about using a legal vehicle. If,

1:35:03again, on record, y'all, if the person

1:35:05who got the claim with you guys, if they

1:35:08have a lawyer, all you got to do is

1:35:10under law get the discovery from them.

1:35:11Now, you guys can work. So, now you're

1:35:13being proactive. I don't know if you

1:35:15guys ever tried that, but if anybody got

1:35:16a CRB, and we should put that out there

1:35:18in the public, too. If you got a CRB

1:35:20claim and they won't give you your

1:35:21information, just get it, use the

1:35:23vehicle. Now, you're going to have the

1:35:24full discovery because under law 25.10,

1:35:2610. They have to give the discovery

1:35:28between 20 and uh 35 or 45 days. That's

1:35:31all I want to say, y'all. So, we can try

1:35:32to cuz I I might get emotional, but I

1:35:35like solutions. I think that's the best

1:35:36solution for now. I don't always believe

1:35:38in suing and I be suing stuff and

1:35:40sometimes it ain't worth sometimes it

1:35:41ain't worth it because you know why it

1:35:43ain't worth it sometimes. We don't want

1:35:44to make the CRB inactive. Now, more

1:35:47people getting no press. So, let's try

1:35:49to give them away a ton of what we can

1:35:50work with them. And again y'all, if the

1:35:53if the person got arrested, this

1:35:54discovery too and then y'all going to be

1:35:57able to work something out from there.

1:35:58>> Okay. Thank you.

1:36:00>> Okay. Can u is there anyone

1:36:04though that they get retaliated against

1:36:08that's what's happening with me. I filed

1:36:09a complaint. Excuse me.

1:36:11>> Could we also give others opportunity to

1:36:13speak?

1:36:14>> 2023. Nobody answered that complaint. So

1:36:18you know what happened? They did it

1:36:20again. Oh, I filed another complaint.

1:36:23You know what happened? They did it

1:36:24again. I filed another complaint. Now

1:36:26they beating my ass. They dragging me

1:36:28out of my home.

1:36:31Nothing's happening. They just see the

1:36:33complaint. They know what's in there.

1:36:35Now I have this. That's what I'm

1:36:37elaborating in is that a innocent person

1:36:40like me is getting beat assaulted by the

1:36:43same officers that took a oath to serve

1:36:46and protect because they done got

1:36:47comfortable because nobody is doing

1:36:49anything about it. So now we as

1:36:52community need to feel okay about coming

1:36:55because now they scared what's happening

1:36:57to me is going to happen to them too.

1:37:00>> Okay. Thank you.

1:37:01>> Yeah. We'll take one more comment.

1:37:09Um, sorry. I just have so many thoughts.

1:37:12Um,

1:37:14so sounds like the blocker here is the

1:37:17police leadership

1:37:20specifically.

1:37:21Have you guys talked to Mayor Owens at

1:37:23all about this?

1:37:27>> No response.

1:37:28>> No response. Okay, cool. Um, so

1:37:33police and mayor are kind of blockers

1:37:37here then. Um, I do think

1:37:42this group's been around for a long time

1:37:45as time changes, technology changes,

1:37:48access to information, resources, how we

1:37:51decide to structure our

1:37:54operational systems and stuff stuff

1:37:58really should change with it.

1:38:00If the current system is not quick

1:38:02enough,

1:38:04dissolve. Sue yourselves. Get us to sue

1:38:07you. Sue the police. Be aggressive with

1:38:11something. I get that you're looking for

1:38:14outside counsel. I think what a lot of

1:38:18people are trying to say, any lawyer

1:38:22would honestly be helpful at this point.

1:38:24So, like the closest person, most

1:38:26willing person, most knowledgeable

1:38:28person in the city should be your go-to

1:38:32here. Um, and not outside of it. That

1:38:35gets you, I don't know, give you like a

1:38:38week to operate. Um,

1:38:42and

1:38:44you're saying, "Okay, sue the police

1:38:47ourselves."

1:38:49Sounds like you're trying to do that,

1:38:51too. I'm assuming. Um,

1:38:57could we instead use the free time you

1:39:00now have to organize and mobilize and be

1:39:05loud and protest and go yell in front of

1:39:07buildings and put letter to the editors

1:39:11out there and put all of our directional

1:39:14help guide our anger where it needs to

1:39:17go. Provide us a system.

1:39:21What are you guys doing right now

1:39:24with your time without having the

1:39:27ability to get anything?

1:39:31I'm not trying to be accusatory. I'm

1:39:33just like if you guys don't know because

1:39:36like I'm literally I've been at a place

1:39:39for 10 over 10 years. I am learning and

1:39:42building and documenting and getting

1:39:44alignment every like I'm doing it all

1:39:46every single day. And I know it's hard.

1:39:48If you guys need help with that, there's

1:39:50so many people here that were here or

1:39:53not here that would be so down to

1:39:55probably volunteer a few hours a week to

1:39:58guide and structure and consult and help

1:40:01accelerate what you're doing so we can

1:40:03get things back on track and get the

1:40:04city

1:40:06actually

1:40:08working with its people in a way that we

1:40:11all, you know, already agreed upon. Um,

1:40:15and I am not about I try to approach my

1:40:21problem solving eagleless. I I just like

1:40:25figuring out how to move forward and

1:40:27there are so many things we can do here.

1:40:30And um I guess my last thing is how can

1:40:35we best understand what you guys are

1:40:37doing or what you will be doing to help

1:40:41us

1:40:43direct ourselves

1:40:46like

1:40:47you're you're saying stuff here that we

1:40:49can do. Can you guys like post on the

1:40:51website or the social medias or

1:40:52something and give us a little direct?

1:40:55you did that last time with the news

1:40:57articles and and when it was blocked

1:40:59before before you guys started back up.

1:41:01So, it'd be cool to just see

1:41:04not like just a littleformational.

1:41:07>> Okay. So, you're saying that we uh you

1:41:09would like for us to post more

1:41:10information on social media.

1:41:12>> I I just want to know what's going on

1:41:14like what is being worked on? What could

1:41:16we be doing? We have these sessions

1:41:19we're showing up for. I I'm How can I be

1:41:23plugged in, understand? give more

1:41:25advice.

1:41:30>> What are you all doing with your

1:41:32>> Yeah. Like what's going on right now?

1:41:34Like what's being worked towards other

1:41:36than looking for a lawyer?

1:41:38>> We're still taking in cases.

1:41:40Um so even though we can't request uh or

1:41:44get body cam and police reports, we're

1:41:46still taking in reports. Customers uh

1:41:49clients are still coming into the CRB.

1:41:51We're running as normal. The only thing

1:41:53that that's that has stopped is us

1:41:56getting body cam and police records. And

1:41:59that's why we're looking at getting

1:42:00outside counsel so that we can sue and

1:42:03get in the subpoena to get those that

1:42:05information. [clears throat]

1:42:07So,

1:42:10>> well, now we're waiting to uh

1:42:14whether or not

1:42:15>> funding was already decided upon.

1:42:19So, we're we're sitting waiting on the

1:42:21council uh to say

1:42:24>> council.

1:42:25>> No. No.

1:42:26>> City council.

1:42:27>> City council.

1:42:28>> Say whether or not you can get a lawyer.

1:42:30>> We already decided. No, we've already

1:42:32decided that you guys got approval.

1:42:35>> We don't got approval. Remember, were

1:42:37you here when we first started?

1:42:39>> Court council said that we cannot get an

1:42:41outside attorney because there is no

1:42:43conflict of interest.

1:42:49They can tell you that. I know.

1:42:51They can tell you anything. They can

1:42:53tell you the sky is blue, but

1:42:56>> I think that's frustrated. People are

1:42:59frustrated out here. I know people would

1:43:01say anything to you like I was

1:43:03instructed that you would take your

1:43:04time.

1:43:05>> Like I was instructed and my mom was

1:43:07instructed that there was a police

1:43:08report and then it disappeared and then

1:43:11all of a sudden we asked it became a

1:43:12problem. So, we're frustrated just like

1:43:15you throwing your hands up. But, you

1:43:18know, they never no one never went this

1:43:21this board never went to the um

1:43:25counselors or any one of those

1:43:28outlets, mayor, whoever, corporate

1:43:30counsel to get approval to go get an

1:43:32attorney.

1:43:33>> Yeah, Joey did it.

1:43:34>> And I can show you that in black and

1:43:36white. I can show I'll have my secretary

1:43:38bring it down here tonight just so you

1:43:40can see because you've been really

1:43:40agitated. They don't know who you are,

1:43:42who appointed you, but we don't need

1:43:43people on the board that's agitated when

1:43:45we are agitated out here and we can't be

1:43:47heard. We already have a mayor that

1:43:49doesn't

1:43:50speak director. You don't know your

1:43:51name. Right.

1:43:53>> Well, you know what?

1:43:55We're we're not making any progress. So,

1:43:57if I can get a motion to

1:44:01answer

1:44:04that

1:44:06city council, have you gotten a date

1:44:08from city council like

1:44:13Let me address it Ivon please. So U corp

1:44:16council has told them they could not

1:44:20hire an outside lawyer. They have also

1:44:22told the common council we could not

1:44:24approve the money for an outside lawyer.

1:44:26We sought a second opinion from our own

1:44:29personal lawyer who also said we agree

1:44:32with corp counsel you cannot allow them

1:44:34because they all believe that this

1:44:36ruling in Rochester takes precedence

1:44:39over our law. Because when something is

1:44:42passed in a district like the fourth

1:44:44district, then they're saying that when

1:44:47it's passed in that district, it applies

1:44:48to all municipalities within the fourth

1:44:51district, which Syracuse resides in the

1:44:53fourth district. That's where we're

1:44:55holding up right now. It's not their

1:44:56fault.

1:44:57>> Um it's it's just where we are right

1:44:59now.

1:45:01>> We are the only city that has a by city

1:45:06ordinance law in our city charter.

1:45:08>> Correct. began to see her be a director.

1:45:13>> No matter who is telling you that is

1:45:16something I work with, you know what

1:45:19makes me mad is that we're we're having

1:45:21this conversation 24 years after. Why

1:45:23are we having this conversation? We're

1:45:26during the past 24 years, me and my kids

1:45:29have had our asses. I've done had a

1:45:31video alter that I gave to the CRB. I

1:45:34done had a CRB president sign my name on

1:45:38a complaint. That's why my complaint has

1:45:40a 03 date and a 17 date. I was

1:45:43incarcerated in Jamesville.

1:45:47The fact that all of this is going on

1:45:49and 23 people died not by the sheriff's

1:45:53department. Only five people have died

1:45:55at the hands of the sheriff's

1:45:56department. 23 have died by the hands of

1:45:58the Syracuse Police Department. And you

1:46:00mean to tell me that out of 24 years,

1:46:04you guys, this is the best you guys can

1:46:05come up with? Are you serious? I have

1:46:08went from went from Felicia having

1:46:11investigators come into my house, Evette

1:46:14Henderson.

1:46:16We had that. We were able to go ahead

1:46:19and buy

1:46:21the other investigators. We was able to

1:46:23go ahead and buy a lawyer. Well, rent

1:46:25out a lawyer. What is going on? Why is

1:46:28the CRB it keep going down

1:46:31down? And I've been quiet. Literally,

1:46:35I'm not going to be quiet no more. You

1:46:36know why? because that is a bill. If you

1:46:39guys look in the media, Joseph said,

1:46:42"We're going to do this bill so that way

1:46:44we can reinvestigate cases." And the

1:46:46very first one is Eric Guerrero. And

1:46:49that is because I got my New York City

1:46:51hearing

1:46:52>> in 2005.

1:46:54And the fact that none of you CRB

1:46:57judges, not y'all,

1:46:59>> but the ones in 2005 never came to a

1:47:02determination. That's why I had my other

1:47:04one in 2018.

1:47:06Especially when Rene signed my name.

1:47:09I'll sue. Everybody knows me and I

1:47:11[clears throat] came down here

1:47:12corporation copy. That's how I got the

1:47:15January 11th court for I mean date from

1:47:17my hearing. What is the issue? Why why

1:47:20we was up here but now we down here. So

1:47:23we WAS UP HERE BEFORE BLACK LIVES Matter

1:47:25and George Floyd and all that. WE HAD

1:47:27ALL OF THIS UP here and now since we get

1:47:30slowly getting our rights now we down

1:47:32here. What is the issue? Are you guys

1:47:35telling the city common counselors that

1:47:38us citizens can literally take out class

1:47:41action lawsuits if our cases are and I

1:47:44love the CRV. I'm always down with the

1:47:46CRV. I need the CRV.

1:47:50But the fact that everybody's playing

1:47:52this this little sick game is NOT FUNNY.

1:47:56YOU GUYS REALLY HAVE BLACK MEN THAT ARE

1:47:58LOSING their names to this this stupid

1:48:01Syracuse Police DEPARTMENT AND IT'S LIKE

1:48:03Y'ALL DON'T CARE CUZ Y'ALL AIN'T THE ONE

1:48:05WHO'S LOOKING FOR that man. I know I did

1:48:08and I know other people have.

1:48:11Stop listening to them cuz it's GOING TO

1:48:13BE LOOKING BAD for you cuz if I put

1:48:16inside a complaint and y'all don't

1:48:18investigate it, I'm suing and then I'm

1:48:20GOING TO INSTRUCT THE OTHER ONES OF

1:48:22SYRACUSE TO GO FIND JESSE RYDER AND WE

1:48:25ALL GOING TO here soon and we still

1:48:27going to have the CRB.

1:48:29>> Yeah. So, okay. Um, I want to get a

1:48:32motion on the floor to adjurnn.

1:48:36>> Motion.

1:48:36>> A motion on the floor to adjurnn.

1:48:41>> What?

1:48:42>> Yeah. To adjourn. Yeah.

1:48:44>> Oh, you have to say I make a motion.

1:48:46>> Make a motion to adjurnn, Don.

1:48:47>> Okay. Do we have a second?

1:48:49>> Second.

1:48:50>> We have a motion on the floor uh to

1:48:52adjurnn. And we have a second. All in

1:48:54favor? I I

1:48:56>> those opposed

1:48:58meeting adjourned. Thank you everyone

1:49:00for coming.

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