2026-10-06 - Common Council Public Works and Infrastructure Committee

05:34I'm joined by uh Helen, common counselor

05:38Helen Hudson, President Rita Pñama,

05:41myself, Commissioner Rob, uh Deputy

05:45Commissioner Kelly, and you are

05:48>> Sadia.

05:50Sadier. So, welcome. We are here to talk

05:52about uh let let uh service replacement

05:56which is the one that

05:59start from the homeowner to the street

06:02side. Right. I'm going to let you take

06:05that. But what's in front of us is we

06:07have a capital improvement

06:10um line here that is a $25 million and

06:14we want to talk about how is that going

06:16to be spent over the years over the

06:19year.

06:20look like there's one every year going

06:22forward. So, I'm going to let you have

06:24it. Take it.

06:25>> So, first I'm going to start out by

06:27saying this is a this is going to be a

06:30EPA mandate effective November 27

06:35calendar year November 27. This is going

06:37to be a EPA mandate where all the

06:40[clears throat] it's a national issue

06:42and you everyone's going to have a

06:4410-year window to replace all their

06:46service lines.

06:48So, it's it's like I said, it's a

06:50unfunded mandate, federal mandate. So,

06:53there's no federal funding at this time

06:55for for the service line replacements.

06:58Um, so it cities take on these

07:00responsibilities kind of on their own.

07:03Hopefully some help from our state

07:05partners and eventually hopefully the

07:07federal government steps in and gives us

07:09a hand. Um, we have uh right

07:12[clears throat] now we have an estimate

07:1516,000 known probably right around

07:1812,000 unknown anywhere up to possibly

07:2230,000 service lines. Um I'm going to

07:26let these guys go through the slideshow

07:28for you and uh present it to you and

07:30then I'll explain a little more after

07:31that.

07:35The city currently has um 16 or about

07:4043% of the lead or the surface line in

07:44the city is known to be lead surface

07:46lines. 33% is unknown and by 2027 when

07:50EPA mandates that um lead service line

07:54the city would need to replace we will

07:56have to consider the unknown as le

07:57service line until it was proven

08:00otherwise. So we will have to consider

08:02the 77% of the surface light in the

08:04series light.

08:13Okay.

08:17um 100% of um this um uh fund um capital

08:23fund will um be allocated to 100% will

08:28be allocated to the surface line

08:29replacements.

08:31Um

08:33and um due to the cost going up, we are

08:37estimating that about 13% of them or

08:41$13,000 will become um the capital that

08:44we is spent for for full surface line

08:48replacement coming up to up to 15K.

08:52Um

08:54so the city is um planning to replace

08:58about 1,900 full service lines for this

09:02um after this month.

09:05Um next

09:09>> up to up to 19

09:10>> 1900

09:1527.

09:15>> You want to go back to one more balance?

09:16Sorry.

09:19>> Yep. So, that's our goal. We're looking

09:21to bid early this coming year and

09:24starting construction right after we

09:25award.

09:27Then after that, we're going to have to

09:28keep reviewing

09:31going forward every year what our plan

09:33is going to be. Do you have an idea of

09:36how many of what you're planning to

09:38replace its homes and how many is sight

09:42complex sites which is more

09:44>> that just means if it's like on a hill

09:47or you know what it's not like you're an

09:49easy straight shot in.

09:51>> So so when you're replacing a service

09:52line there's a cost to it. We base it on

09:55short side and long side cost. So the

09:58water manes are either on the odd side

10:01of the street or the even side of the

10:02street. So on when a water man is on the

10:06odd side of the street, the homes on the

10:09odd side will be a little more cost

10:11friendly than the homes on the even side

10:14because it's a longer run of copper

10:16through the road.

10:17>> So there's there's a long side and a

10:19short side service. That's how we

10:21dictate what we're doing. And um we put

10:24these out to bid, it all comes in by

10:25like linear footage, um whether

10:28sidewalks got to be replaced, whether um

10:31>> so taking that in consideration, I mean

10:34ballpark figure of course with $25

10:37million you get to do 1500 homes

10:40>> about up to 1500 homes.

10:42>> Okay.

10:44>> Maybe more depending on you know um

10:47>> on those considerations,

10:49>> right? If we reach get to some of these

10:50homes on the unknown side and they have

10:54half service is already copper, it'll

10:56come in more costly. Um because there's

11:00a lot of unknowns in the city. Um like I

11:03said, this is um

11:05this is about a 500 to700 million

11:09project city. So $25 million doesn't

11:14touch what this is going to cost the

11:16city. And it's like I As of right now,

11:19it's an unfunded.

11:21>> So what once

11:24once you fix the ones that you can fix,

11:26right? So that will last for

11:31how long?

11:31>> Ever.

11:32>> Okay.

11:33>> We're we're we're sticking with copper

11:35because it's a known source. Um

11:37>> it's not that we need to go back, you

11:39know, once

11:40>> that's why some places are going with

11:42plastics. Um we're sticking with copper

11:45due to the fact that copper's been in

11:47the ground a long there's no, you know,

11:49risk hazard to copper. Um,

11:53right now there's no risk haz hazard to

11:55plastics, but 20 years from now or 40

11:57years from now or 50 years from now, we

11:59want to be in the same boat that we're

12:00in with the lead and we have to replace

12:02all the plastics. So, we're sticking

12:04with copper at this time. Um, and that's

12:07where we're doing all our service.

12:10>> Why 25 million? Why could it be? Why

12:14could it be?

12:17>> What was the deciding?

12:18>> So, so we're sticking with 25 million

12:20this year was the the first year we're

12:22stuck with 20. We're sticking with 25

12:24because the mandate doesn't start until

12:26next year. So, once that mandate comes

12:29out, we have a more idea of how many

12:32because we're doing investigations right

12:34now on what the unknowns are. So, we can

12:37try to limit what we don't know. So when

12:40we come up with this larger scale plan,

12:43we know when we need it, we're going to

12:44need more funding. The problem we're

12:46going to come across in the city of

12:48Syracuse right now, like I tell people

12:50all the time, we're in competition with

12:52everybody else. This region hasn't seen

12:54the growth in the development and the

12:56industry. I don't know how many with

12:58Micron the highway project, you know, 81

13:01project. We have a lot of things we're

13:02in competition. So getting contractors

13:05to do the work, could I spend $50

13:08million?

13:10I'm not sure on that. Especially the way

13:12>> it's about demand power.

13:14>> Especially the way New York State has

13:15procurement. So everything we get, we

13:18have to go out to bid with the lowest

13:20bidder gets the jobs. So we can't bring

13:24in 50 contractors into the city doing

13:26services.

13:28Hopefully something down the road we can

13:30change the procurement method or we can

13:33set the price and bring in multiple

13:35contractors to spread it out through

13:37through local contractors. But right now

13:40the New York State procurement method is

13:42we have to have a project have amount

13:45we're willing to spend [clears throat]

13:46put out the project the bid and then the

13:49bidder comes in whoever's the lowest

13:51bidder gets the job as long as they are

13:53capable of doing.

13:55>> So with the amount of [clears throat]

13:59the amount of identified line which is

14:0216,000 right 12 unidentified

14:0716,000 going to 5,000.

14:10>> How many years do you think that

14:13>> Well,

14:15that's the plan we're coming. We only

14:17have 10 years. There is no there is no

14:20leeway. So, there is a you have to come

14:22up with a 10-year plan to replace all

14:24your known service lines. That's a EPA.

14:28That's the federal government saying we

14:30want all the service lines gone in 10

14:31years. Do I think Syracuse and parts of

14:35New York State's a fair shake or cities

14:37like Syracuse and Buffalo? The rest of

14:39the country, you know, you think about

14:41it in Florida and, you know, Arizona,

14:45they can work all year long replacing.

14:48We have a window. So, if we're going to

14:50have to replace, say, you know, 1,600

14:54service lines a year, we have a window

14:58from April to November to replace them.

15:02We we don't we can't replace in the

15:05winter months, especially when we're

15:07talking full service lines because

15:09that's digging in the road, you know, a

15:11lot of road disruption. And with our

15:13winters and our snow and our plow, we

15:16can't expose the water mans in February.

15:19So, so we have a window to work on. So,

15:21I asked that for for two two main

15:23reasons. One, it seems like in the last

15:27couple of years,

15:29the the price of quoting the quotes that

15:33we've received, we sent out RFPs and all

15:36of that seem like it get higher and

15:38higher, right? That's one, right? Which

15:41which for me and then and then the labor

15:44side of things is not getting easier.

15:46you know, the manpower is not getting

15:49easier in terms of the skill set and the

15:51technician that can actually seem like

15:54it's is closing in, right? And then we

15:58have this 10 year window

16:01where we have to complete this and then

16:03we are bonding for $25 million every

16:07year in which is it's not even a a

16:11quarter of what what we know that could

16:13be accomplished. Yet, we have EPA

16:17breathing on our neck saying you got

16:19your time is

16:22I asked that because I I don't I don't

16:23think putting $5 million will get us

16:25there.

16:28So like I said come next year the

16:31capital plan you may see that number

16:33change

16:35but the problem we're going to have is

16:36let's let's let's it would be

16:38irresponsible for us as a city to

16:40bankrupt our city and $700 million in

16:44service lines. I I don't even think we

16:46would be able to bond for that.

16:48>> I don't even think we'd be able to bond

16:50for this project.

16:51>> So, we're going to have to lobby. We're

16:53going to have to ask our our, you know,

16:56seek out our congressmen and our

16:57senators. And we need money. Syracuse,

17:01New York needs help. We're like, the

17:04only other city I can think in the

17:05region that's like us is probably

17:07Buffalo. Everyone else has more. They

17:10sell more water than they have service.

17:13We are not in that. situation and we

17:16have very affordable rates. If we if we

17:19we to pay for this, we would have to

17:22probably raise our water rates as much

17:24as

17:27>> we need a lot of help.

17:28>> So assume that we get to 10 year mark.

17:32What happened with the EPA?

17:35>> We're all going to figure that out. I

17:37mean, there's no there's no answers

17:39right now. You know, no one knows. All

17:42we know is it's a it's a federal mandate

17:44that it's na national mandate. It's not

17:47just a Syracuse problem. It's a country

17:50problem. Um Chicago has 400 and

17:53something thousand service lines, you

17:55know, le service. Florida has the most

17:58in the country, the state of Florida,

18:00you know, I think they have few million

18:04service. So, so this is a national

18:06problem. Everyone's looking for the same

18:09everyone needs help, you know, but I

18:11tell you that Syracuse is probably one

18:14of the cities that are in the worst

18:16situation because we sell we we we bring

18:19our water in, we sell it. We we we don't

18:22have we can't venture out and sell water

18:25to other places. We have our resource.

18:28It's ours and we're kind of handcuffed

18:31with what we sell. We have a specific

18:34plan, you know, because I I I know

18:37that's $25 million. I'm looking at the

18:39capital improve improvement proposal.

18:42You know, from 2027 to 2032, we have

18:46projected that every year we are going

18:48to bond for $25 million to be able to to

18:52to replace the the lines, right? Is

18:56there any other plan as opposed to what

18:59we got here that is there a written plan

19:01that we know

19:04>> we have a so we just set up a big round

19:05table with our you know a lot of our

19:08advocacy groups um we're working with

19:11them we're trying to get them to push

19:13for help because the only way to get

19:15through this is with state's got to help

19:17us

19:19we can't do this on our own it would be

19:21it's impossible quite honest it's

19:24impossible Syracuse.

19:27This is a mandate that we've never seen.

19:32>> I ask you a question, Commissioner. It's

19:33a little off different, but we're

19:36talking about to the lead services to

19:38the homes. Correct.

19:40>> Right.

19:40>> But what happens when you have

19:43businesses that's surrounding these

19:45homes?

19:46>> Do you replace their lead service too or

19:49No.

19:50>> So, so most businesses already have a

19:52copper service because lead lines were

19:55usually one inch or smaller. So most of

19:58your businesses that have fire

19:59protection and stuff like that already

20:01have a copper service. They're usually a

20:04two to four inch service line or most

20:06like restaurants businesses.

20:09They already have a larger, you know, so

20:12a lot of business.

20:14This is most resial.

20:17>> All the ones that's building now,

20:18they're building within that

20:20specification.

20:21>> Yeah. that's been outlawed since 70s.

20:25So there's no lead going into all the

20:28new builds, all the, you know, we're

20:30working with different groups to try to

20:32as you know, the land bank homes having

20:34their service lines replaced, you know,

20:37before they can put them back on the

20:38market. There's a lot of things.

20:40>> Who pays for that? The land bank?

20:42>> That's we're trying to work with them to

20:44see if they can make it part of their,

20:46you know, re rehabilitation of the home.

20:53All right. I I think I think the next uh

20:56question I had I may want to wait until

20:58you finish your

21:06Okay. So, um so we're we're also looking

21:10into how long how we're doing with the

21:12contractors and how many we can do a

21:14year. So, that's kind of something else

21:17we're looking We're we're also working

21:20with one of our consultants to come up

21:22with um how we prioritize who we choose

21:27next. So

21:29>> who's the consultant?

21:30>> That's GHD.

21:32>> SHD

21:33>> GHD.

21:35So we've we've said that our goal is to

21:37protect the children in neighborhoods

21:38with the highest health risk first.

21:41So we're really looking for equity and

21:44we're you know that's our main goal.

21:46>> How we're selecting the the plan.

21:49>> So the key ones are the childhood

21:51bloodled levels and concentrations of

21:54children under five. And then we go to

21:56social equity and look at household

21:58incomes and SNAP. And then we look at um

22:02the housing age and if there's elderly.

22:04So those are some of our criteria

22:07and then we use the how we're getting

22:09this information is mostly census and

22:11then we have some information from that

22:13um health department on county health

22:15department. Yep.

22:22So the prior prioritization tool that

22:24we're using, it takes 25 census

22:27indicators and it breaks them down by

22:29block groups and then they calculate uh

22:32it's called a vulner vulnerability

22:33score. So it ranks each black group and

22:37depending on their rank, that's how we

22:39would choose who would be the next up.

22:42So as as many as we can get black groups

22:45we can get to get to that 5 million

22:47number. That'll be the next phase and

22:49then the next the next lower

22:51vulnerability will get the ne phase two

22:53and it will keep going.

22:58Uh and then as far as

23:01what anyone can do now that if they're

23:04not in the next phase, you can check we

23:06have the lead service uh construction

23:08dashboard is up now on our website. So

23:10you can see where we're doing work now

23:13and where work has already been done.

23:15And then you can also look into like

23:16free water test kits and uh the picture

23:20>> orange the orange is as well

23:24>> the replacement is completed

23:26>> and the green scheduled. So, so the one

23:29you see on the east side that's real

23:31orange on the east side of Syracuse,

23:33that was all part of the pump station

23:35replacement projects like the um

23:38Guilford, Brook, Bradford Hill, West

23:41Minister, that was all part of the pump

23:43station projects. We replace the mains

23:45and the pump stations. They're aging and

23:48failing. So, they're all brand new pump

23:50stations and water manes and service

23:52lines and numb areas. That's why that's

23:54so important.

23:57We

23:57>> that didn't go off the prioritizing

23:59scale. That was due based on larger

24:02scale projects over the last three

24:04years, four years.

24:06>> We replace all the pump stations or

24:08>> all the pump stations are replaced. We

24:10have two left. Mosley's in design right

24:13now. It's it's being built. It's already

24:16the mains have been replaced. It's just

24:18waiting for the pump station to come in.

24:19That project just about be complete.

24:22>> Is that part of the 25 million or

24:24>> that's separate? That's a pump station

24:26project. And [snorts] then um we're in

24:29design for comtock pump station. That'll

24:31be our last pump station.

24:33pump station modernized, you know, up to

24:36date, which is well needed.

24:41>> I would get another 30 years out of

24:43them,

24:44>> probably some last

24:51that's, you know, people can go on and

24:54see where the construction's going on.

24:56This is what's already been given out.

24:57These are jobs that have already been

24:59contracted out. We'll be adding more to

25:02them soon when contracts three through

25:04seven go out. Um for lead service line

25:07replacements

25:10the letter to proceed was given out this

25:12morning. So the contracts start moving

25:15forward

25:17that's not part of this.

25:22We've been very proactive. We got ahead

25:24of the game.

25:27We've been replacing them all since

25:35I said this is a large scale project.

25:39Think about it. Service lines took

25:41probably 70 years to put them in the

25:42ground. We're looking to remove them

25:44all.

25:46And think about the infrastructure that

25:48has grown over, you know, the first 70

25:50years of the city. Half of the streets

25:52didn't have sidewalks, didn't have

25:54roads. service

26:01roads.

26:06>> And when you talk about roads being

26:08impacted, so does that mean the roads

26:11that we've already done are possibly

26:13going to be dug up again?

26:15>> Well, they're going to be dug up. Um,

26:17we'll wait. So, the roads that have been

26:19just done recently, we'll kind of push

26:21them back a little bit on the uh

26:24replacement so they we get longer life

26:26out of the road before we go back in and

26:28disrupt it. Um, but I would probably say

26:3295% of every single road in the city

26:35will be disrupted.

26:36>> What about the uh what about the policy

26:39of big ones? How is how does that work

26:41in conjunction?

26:43>> We big once just, you know, was kicked

26:45senior staff just kicked that back

26:46online. Um, we're working with them.

26:49We're trying to come up with our plan

26:51and build our So, what we're going to do

26:53is 10 year plan. So that's a EPA

26:56requirement. We have to give them a

26:5710-year plan. So when we introduce our

27:0010-year plan, we're hoping that design

27:02and construction, you know, street

27:03repair and the paving can piggy back off

27:06us, follow us through, and hopefully

27:09that does some cost reductions so

27:10[clears throat] we can go in, tear a

27:12street up, replace all the service

27:14signs, design and construction can come

27:16through, pave the road after we leave

27:18it, put sidewalks.

27:21>> When do we get to see this?

27:23that had that will be in the fall of

27:25next year. Has to has to be finished by

27:29November of 2027.

27:35That'll be I I'm I'm predicting that'll

27:38be done laterally because we're working

27:40on that. We have meetings

27:49this with the consultant you said.

27:51>> Y This is a large scale project. We

27:54don't we wouldn't the water department

27:57itself would never be able project.

28:00>> What what's the cost that we have put to

28:02this? Is there a cost

28:04>> or

28:04>> for the for the plan? Because it look

28:06>> we've already we've already

28:08>> started it. We've already,

28:11>> you know, came to council for it. I

28:12think it was like $900,000, I believe,

28:15>> to start the plan, building the plan.

28:17That was the first phase. phase one, you

28:20know, contracts one, two, three,

28:22contracts one through seven. They help

28:24design um they're managing, you know,

28:28they got field representation out there,

28:30making sure these people, you know,

28:32doing the service lines correct,

28:33checking the plumbers. They're going

28:35back now to work on the road. You know,

28:37uh we're really attacking them now on

28:40restoration, trying to get that

28:42completed by the, you know, before

28:44winter comes. So, we're really on them.

28:46My team has been out there, you know,

28:48holding them accountable, getting them

28:49back on certain areas. I know they had

28:52like four crews on it last month doing,

28:54you know, finishing up restoration,

28:56trying to catch up on that. Um, going

28:58forward in the winter, restoration

29:01slow down because they're doing service

29:03lines through the winter because in this

29:05phase, they can do them in the winter

29:06because it's the private sides only.

29:08They're not digging in the road. They're

29:09just curbing

29:12private sides. So, we'll try to keep

29:15that moving

29:16with our contractors. Um,

29:20like I said, this is a it's going to be

29:22an ongoing project.

29:25So, Oh, I'm sorry.

29:26>> Um, out of the 30,000, is that what you

29:29said, right? 30,000 up to 30,000.

29:32>> Are those old residential or is it

29:36>> What's that?

29:36>> Are they all residential? They they are

29:40I would say 99.9% of us.

29:45>> I'm gonna let you finish with your

29:46slide, but I'm going back when you said

29:48this is a 500 to 700 million project.

29:51Well, listening to what you're saying,

29:54it's actually going to be a little a lot

29:56more than that once we dig up the roads

29:58because that has to be included in that

30:00price as well, right?

30:02>> Well, most of this these prices are with

30:07road restoration. you know, fixing our

30:09cuts. We're hoping to reduce some of the

30:11cost by so instead of a $15,000 service

30:16line, dropping it, reducing it to a

30:19$10,000 service line, if our, you know,

30:22our team can come behind and pave and do

30:24sidewalks.

30:25This is if we just start going through

30:27and having to do all the restoration.

30:30These are the prices.

30:35>> So, so in a sense, Speaking of that,

30:39really to be effective, there has to be

30:42a centralized coordination between EPW

30:46and you guys engineering, right? That

30:50has to happen. So, what does that do to

30:52the census track? Because it seemed like

30:54if you look at over there, like it

30:56seemed like Brighton neighborhood,

30:57right? Is it am I right with that? A lot

31:01of yellow.

31:02>> The greens. Yep. them are um homes that

31:05are already in contracts one through

31:07>> the valley coming Yeah. Right.

31:10>> Right.

31:10>> Seem like Right. So with that if if if

31:13there's a assume that there's a lot of

31:15work going on in the east side, right?

31:17In which that census track may not be a

31:20priority on the lead list. But however,

31:23it's it's there's a lot of work going

31:25on, but instead to go invest time over

31:28here, you know, and then come back later

31:31and where the cost is going to be $5,000

31:34more. It makes sense to go that way,

31:36right? In which

31:38the

31:39So that's not

31:40>> you can look at it that way.

31:42>> Yeah.

31:43>> But as a health

31:45>> the public don't want to hear that. They

31:47don't want us replacing service lines by

31:49census track by roads. They want us

31:51replacing service lines by health

31:52concerns. You know what I mean? They

31:54want us to replacing service lines in

31:56neighborhoods that high have high

31:57elevations of life, you know, and

31:59children. They want us to replace

32:01neighborhoods in homes that are

32:05>> in the neighborhoods. Wouldn't that go

32:07by census track?

32:09>> Wouldn't that go by census track?

32:11>> It's kind of all similar.

32:13>> So, so if if if so, so I I guess what

32:16I'm trying to go with with this is if

32:19the dip once policy is as is, right? And

32:24that's work being done. And to be

32:26efficient to to to be openly

32:28transparent, right? That's work being

32:30done say on the east side, massive work,

32:33right? And then all those residential

32:36still need their

32:38>> service line

32:38>> their service line replaced, right? So

32:41you're going to let them close that off

32:42and then come back after they have done

32:46>> because because I I'm just trying to

32:48>> So we're hoping that when we go into

32:50this larger scale plan, we they follow

32:54us.

32:55>> Okay. So it's not the other way around.

32:57>> We can't follow them.

32:58>> Okay?

32:59>> They have to follow us.

33:00>> Okay?

33:01>> We make that decision.

33:03We have a 10-year plan that has to be

33:05given to the EPA. Our plan can't sway.

33:09Our plan can't we can't veer. We We

33:11don't have the the openness to say,

33:14"Well, we're changing our plan this

33:15week." We have to give them a plan EPA

33:18mandate. Say, "This is a 10-year plan to

33:20replace all the service lines." Okay.

33:22This is where we're going. Phase one,

33:24two, three, four, five, six, seven. And

33:27I wish you as a as a city that that will

33:29be the the plan to put the water

33:31department in front rather than all

33:33these projects going on everywhere to be

33:36financially conservative.

33:38>> And I get that.

33:39>> That's not what the EPA is saying.

33:41Federal government.

33:41>> No, no, I get it. Commissioner, I get

33:43it. I get it.

33:44>> Yeah, we would like it to go that way. I

33:45don't know that everyone agrees with

33:46>> who made that decision then because

33:48economically, financially, it sound like

33:50it it would make sense.

33:51>> And I think I think we're all on that

33:53same page. I think that's why dig one

33:55started back up. They're kind of waiting

33:57for our plan so they can start moving

34:00forward with their I think it's all

34:02we're in all coordination with that.

34:03That's that ball has already been

34:05started. You know,

34:07>> we're all on the same plane.

34:08>> Yeah. Because I think,

34:09>> you know, and we've already been working

34:11side by side with, you know, um street

34:14repair and they've called me and said,

34:16"Hey, we're going and tearing this road

34:18up. You know, can you get over there and

34:20do the service lines now?" if you're on

34:21it's part of your plan and we've gone

34:23over that you know we've broken off and

34:25went and tackled that through some

34:27different financial means through our

34:30general you know service so we've we've

34:33worked you know Hampton Road was one

34:35paving that it's all le service line

34:40>> um so so we've been coordinating

34:44you know when this larger scale out it's

34:46going to be more we're going to lay our

34:48plan out give it to them Hopefully they

34:51can start building their plan,

34:54you know, by rate, you know, how they

34:55rate the roads, what needs to be paid,

34:57what needs to be done. They can start

34:59following.

34:59>> That should be a priority. Right.

35:01>> Right. That and that's that's that's

35:03really where I'm trying to go with it

35:05that that it it makes sense that way.

35:07>> It does.

35:08>> Right. Makes sense that way. And I'm

35:09wondering who who pull a trigger on that

35:11to say this is this is the direction

35:13we're going.

35:14>> The senior staff is pulling the trigger

35:16on that. They're already aware of that.

35:17They're already looking [clears throat]

35:19into that. They're already helping

35:21manage that. We're having meetings on

35:24that. Okay.

35:24>> We just haven't came up with our 10ear

35:26plan.

35:28That's going to be the bigger plan

35:29that's in that's in work right now. And

35:31like I said, that's a [clears throat]

35:33that's a EPA mandate that we have to

35:35give that and we're using this scale

35:39that we got the 25 censuses indicators

35:42to build that plan. So when we go in

35:44front of our, you know, our advocacy

35:46groups and stuff, they're on board with

35:48us, you know, by the neighborhoods we're

35:50tacking

35:53with the Senate association. You know,

35:55we talk to them. Someone's got to be

35:57first and someone's got to be last. You

35:59know what I mean? And they they're

36:00understanding. We're going to attack the

36:03neighborhoods.

36:05They have the

36:07some of the houses.

36:08>> Yeah. And and with that have we had how

36:11many conversation have we had with the

36:13especially the

36:16south side where bright neighborhood

36:18where there's a lot of lead services.

36:20So, so we've had conversations with

36:24we got this big round table going now

36:26with all the advocacy groups involved

36:28and we're all we sit there we go over

36:30you know we haven't got our plan out

36:32there yet so we haven't done yet um but

36:36I can tell you this the north side's

36:37probably

36:40you know you're talking butternut street

36:42Josephine Peter North that's one of the

36:45oldest neighborhoods in the city they

36:47have a lot

36:51Franklin by Franklin school by you know

36:54Albert

36:56that area. So that you put like a line.

36:59So if you looked at that map you took

37:01the north side and drove a line right

37:02down the city

37:05the west side of the city you know

37:08northwest south you know you went right

37:10downward 81 the middle of 81.

37:13Most of your lead service lines, a high

37:16amount of your service lines are going

37:17to be on the

37:20north, west, south,

37:25east,

37:26west.

37:31That's your

37:34and we're tackling them, you know, with

37:36the 25 million, you know, building a

37:39plan on neighborhoods.

37:43Every neighborhood needs them done.

37:44Don't get me wrong. I wish I could

37:46remove them all tomorrow, but there's

37:47going to be a first.

37:50Trying to do it as fair as possible.

37:52>> Well, given the plan, when you come back

37:53to us in November, you should have a

37:56concrete almost concrete dollar amount.

37:58>> We should what [clears throat] we think

38:00and we should have a map of it to tell

38:03you what areas we're going into when,

38:05what year, what, and all that.

38:08You know, the end of the day, it all

38:10depends on what We have no funding.

38:14There's no project. You know what I

38:16mean? So, that's huge for us to start

38:18trying to reach out to all the people

38:20that, you know, we need help.

38:23>> Funding. What does the EPA do? Do they

38:25find us? Do they What do they do?

38:27>> I don't know if the EPA knows yet. I

38:29don't know. I don't know if they know. I

38:32don't know. You know, I I don't No one

38:35knows what's going. Like I said, this is

38:38a this is a mandate. The whole country's

38:40kind of shocked. I know. in courts right

38:42now. The AWA is fighting the mandate.

38:45You know, they're they're they're taking

38:47the UK to court, trying to get it

38:49extended. You know, they agree service

38:51lines should all be replaced. You know,

38:53everyone's in total agreeances, but is a

38:5610-year window for cities like Syracuse,

38:58Buffalo, some of the cities that have

39:00the most amount of service lines with

39:02the least amount of resources. Is it

39:04feasible? I mean, that's the scary part.

39:07really feasible for us in a window

39:10they're g

39:12so so this is solely to state and local

39:16municipality the the federal hasn't

39:20poured any money for this nonfunded

39:24no federal

39:28>> and hopefully it will change you know

39:30what I mean hopefully they they know

39:32something changes vote

39:34>> because we're going to need the help

39:36we're going to need help. I mean, I'm

39:37I'm just being honest. This is this kind

39:40of a project would bankrupt,

39:43you know, and this is what we're going

39:44to try not to do. We're, you know, we're

39:46reaching out to all our resources. We're

39:48asking for as much help as we come up

39:50with a plan, you know, senators, try to

39:54get resources from the state to help us,

39:57especially city.

40:00>> I get it. But we can't bond our way out

40:02of stuff because right now we're bonding

40:04for other

40:06And then to say that you're coming and

40:08want to bond for 25 million this year,

40:10then maybe next year you might want to

40:12bond for 50 million. So we have to

40:14really really take a look at our bonding

40:17capacity as well.

40:18>> Fully agree. Um that's why we started

40:20out with just the 25 million. You know

40:22what I mean? This keeps our project

40:24going which is an EPA requirement for us

40:26because we had the exance. So we're

40:29looking just to keep moving slowly until

40:31we can something bigger comes down the

40:34roads. But we had a we had a grant. I I

40:37don't remember the amount. I think it

40:38was like $2.5 million.

40:39>> I asked about that grant,

40:40>> right?

40:41>> 22 million

40:42>> 22$22 million.

40:43>> Still spending that.

40:44>> Still spending.

40:44>> That's phase one.

40:46>> Okay.

40:47>> Contracts one through seven.

40:48>> When is that projected to to run out?

40:51>> That they're expecting that project to

40:54be done by spring,

40:57>> early summer, spring, early summer of

41:002027. That project will be done. That'll

41:02be 3,000 homes, lead free homes in the

41:05city. Um, we just uh got another grant

41:09for

41:13>> million from EPA.

41:15>> From EPA. So EPA is doing something, but

41:17it's not

41:19>> this was thankful to Schumer Jill Brad.

41:23They got us this little grant. We're

41:24using it for lead service line

41:26replacements. Um, and we're also applied

41:29just for a $10 million grant through the

41:31state for service.

41:35So, so we're we're getting everything we

41:38can. The more they can give us, the more

41:39we keep moving and and you got to

41:42remember we're trying to expedite this,

41:45keep this moving

41:47because when the whole country has to do

41:48this, no one knows what the cost is.

41:52>> Everything is going to skyrocket.

41:54>> This is so so my opinion is the city the

41:57last 30 years spent nothing when it

42:00should have been spending nothing. Now

42:02it's catching up to us. I mean our

42:04infrastructure is not a day younger. I

42:07mean we have valves and mains in this

42:10city that should have been replaced 20

42:12years ago.

42:14Our water system is not getting and

42:16that's why we're also going to ask the

42:18bond for 12 million for our main and our

42:21valve replacement which we do every

42:23year. Um

42:24>> so this is in addition to the This is

42:27this is just

42:28>> we've got to address the valves,

42:30>> right? This is, you know,

42:33water system has been neglected for a

42:36long time. It's been maintained.

42:40We don't have we don't pay a lot for our

42:42water services here. We have very

42:44affordable water, which is great,

42:47but we're not keeping up. I mean, we we

42:50we still have stuff in the ground. all

42:53the efforts they're doing, we still have

42:55somewhere around 25 service.

42:58>> We have a lot,

42:59>> right? We have a lot.

43:01>> The water department has a lot of stuff

43:03that needs to be done. As you see, we

43:04had a sanitary survey. They gave us a

43:07whole list. You know, I think it was 90

43:11discrepancies,

43:14from leaky valves to, you know, our

43:17conduits, our gay houses, our there's

43:19just stuff that needs to be done.

43:23feel like we keep pausing, Kelly. And

43:25>> yeah,

43:27but uh I I want to I want to first go

43:30back maybe for those that are listening

43:32as well and talk about the census track

43:34which is one of the detain determining

43:37factor as to what get replaced. What are

43:40the metrics around census track that

43:43that that dictate which census track?

43:47>> Go back to the go back one.

43:53So we're using key criteria are health

43:56exposures children with blood level

43:58levels concentrated children under five

44:00years old. So we're using that we're

44:03using um median household income SNAP

44:06participant rate. So neighborhoods that

44:08are you know lower income that are using

44:11SNAP. Um and then lead densities

44:14neighborhoods that are just flooded with

44:16lead service lines. um which are usually

44:19your older neighborhoods. You know, been

44:21like I said, I could draw you a map

44:23right now just out of my head by the

44:25neighborhoods I know being in the city,

44:27living in the city my whole life, I know

44:28the neighborhoods that have the older

44:32housing,

44:35you know, just they need they need help.

44:38>> So, so, so besides children, if there's

44:40a neighborhood that is concentrated by

44:44elderly resident also that also take up

44:47That's in there.

44:49>> Okay.

44:49>> Y that's in there.

44:52>> Age, income, and density, right?

44:56>> Yep. Okay.

44:57>> Blood, childhood blood levels. So,

44:59neighborhoods that have the highest

45:01concentrated elevated blood levels,

45:04lead, you know, blood levels in their

45:07children. We're tackling them.

45:10>> When you say 38,000 connection records

45:13on GHD portal, what does that mean?

45:17It's in your systems inventory.

45:19>> So, we're Yeah, we're also looking at

45:21the inventory of what the lines are

45:24>> and our whole inventory. So, we have

45:2638,000 records. 38,000 homes.

45:31>> So, so we're looking at our records of

45:34what neighborhoods. So, we don't want to

45:36so we don't want to go and just do one

45:38here, one there. We're tackling whole

45:41blocks or cluster

45:43>> clusters. So that way when we come

45:45through we're not going back there.

45:48>> You know what I mean? So that's how

45:49we're tackling this

45:52>> and then then the bloodline is

45:53determined by the county. Right.

45:55>> Right. Okay.

45:56>> County health department.

45:57>> Okay.

46:00>> You want to go ahead and finish?

46:02>> You were kind of at the end. Um the

46:05other the only other thing is there is

46:07another map on our website that shows

46:08you what your service line is. You can

46:11click on your anyone's address. you can

46:13see what we have on our records. So, we

46:16would really like people to go out and

46:17if you have a gray if you're a gray dot

46:19and you're an unknown, if you can follow

46:22the steps, the more we know, the better

46:25our plan will be. So, we're urging

46:27people to let us know what their service

46:30line is. If you're you're an unknown,

46:33let us know.

46:34>> Is there a tool kit out there?

46:35>> There's a whole tool kit tells you

46:36exactly what to do to do step by step.

46:38>> Yep.

46:39>> Okay.

46:40>> What about the water testing? Is that

46:42still going on?

46:43>> Do that every six months.

46:44>> And the brittleles that we're getting

46:46distributed the water filters.

46:48>> So water filters get distributed soon as

46:50we replace your service line. That is

46:53becoming a November 27 mandate as well.

46:56We're being proactive in doing it ahead

46:58of time. So when we replace your service

47:00line, we give you a filter with an extra

47:02cartridge.

47:05When you disrupt the service line, take

47:07it apart, particles could break off

47:10system. the method we do it minimizes

47:13that. We're not cutting the line,

47:15disconnecting it, removing it all

47:17together. Um, but we still give a f and

47:19anyone that feels that they have any

47:22concerns can come into the water

47:23department and ask for we will run your

47:27address, make sure you have a lead

47:28service line and we will accommodate

47:31meet the criteria. What about the

47:33concept like uh like like the one with

47:36sidewalk where at some point, you know,

47:39people were the the line was so bad. I

47:42mean, the sidewalk was bad,

47:44[clears throat] they decided to replace

47:45it themselves and they got credit from

47:49the city. Is that that that can that

47:52concept also be transferred over for

47:55those that are able to replace their

47:57line and it's bad and they can't wait

47:59for the city to come?

48:00>> So, there's no credit right now,

48:01>> right? Um but we have had conversations

48:04with people that are interested in

48:05replacing their own. So if they replace

48:08their private side service line, the

48:10city will come in and replace the public

48:12side immediately. So if they go and they

48:15hire, you know, contractor to come in

48:17because a lot of the smaller contractors

48:19in the city will replace individual

48:21homes. They'll replace their private

48:23side and then we'll come in the city

48:26themselves, not our contract,

48:28>> will come in and replace the public. So,

48:30so soon as you learn of that, you go and

48:32take care of public.

48:33>> You call us, you say, I, you know, I had

48:35my private side replaced. I'm looking to

48:37get my public,

48:38>> we'll come out, we replace the public

48:40side,

48:41>> and that's no cost. Okay. And what's the

48:43what's what's the uh estimated cost of a

48:45private in case

48:47>> like $6,000?

48:48>> $6,000.

48:50>> And And maybe it could be cheaper, you

48:52know, if you find a a smaller company

48:54looking to do it. No, one of the smaller

48:56guys, you know, I I don't know. You know

48:58what I mean?

48:59There's a lot of factors. The length of

49:01the service, you know, if it's not a

49:03very long run, it's cheaper than real.

49:06>> And the private start from the house

49:08itself to what? To the curb.

49:10>> The curb stop.

49:11>> Okay. And then in the middle of the

49:12street, that's when you come in. And

49:14>> so the curb stop in the middle of your

49:15yard, which is usually in our in the

49:17city right away.

49:18>> Okay. You're

49:19>> the private side is from that curb stop

49:21right there where the sidewalk is right

49:22to your meter. Okay. Right to the meter.

49:24>> That is private.

49:25>> Okay. The public side is from that curb

49:27stop to the main

49:28>> to the main. Okay. So if if we're having

49:30an issue with manpower right now to do

49:33the plan that you want to do and then we

49:35have private residents doing you know

49:39doing this work

49:42what are the odds of that being you know

49:44done on a

49:46like coordinating that then I mean you

49:49would have to take people from the work

49:51that you're doing through your plan to

49:53be able to come do the private

49:54residencies. So, so the plan is

49:57contractors because they do from the

50:00main to the meter. So, so all our

50:03service plans have been contracted out

50:05because we don't have the internal

50:06resources,

50:08>> right?

50:09>> But if someone was to go replace their

50:11private side, we have the resources to

50:14send one of our crews over.

50:16>> So, we do have that resource.

50:17>> We would do that. We wouldn't contract

50:18that out. We would have one of our crews

50:21go over, dig a hole in the road, dig a

50:24hole in the curb stop, and they shoot

50:25like a missile just like the contractors

50:27would through the road

50:28>> and then they tie in and then so it's

50:30only a small hole in the road, small.

50:34>> There is some education then going out

50:36that you know, one will not happen

50:38without the other,

50:40>> right? Because you know how people could

50:41be sometimes they just

50:43>> launch themselves into something that

50:45they can't you know

50:47>> potentially fix

50:49>> right

50:49>> and it's fair it's fair to say that you

50:51know [clears throat] some of the places

50:54where there's a lot of that service line

50:58good number of them are rental

50:59properties

51:01right good number are rental properties

51:03in which I don't know if the landlord or

51:06at least are aware of that part that you

51:10know if if they are to help the health

51:13of their tenants

51:14>> that there is that option where they

51:17could replace this

51:19>> paying five to seven thou five to $7,000

51:23>> private side and then have the city take

51:25care of the other part which you know is

51:28hefty at first but the health benefit of

51:30that so much more right I don't know if

51:33that to madam president point I don't

51:35know if the education is there

51:37>> we are education on that.

51:40>> Um,

51:41>> I think that's important. I mean, for

51:42your own, you know,

51:46ability to do the work.

51:48>> So, so the so, so

51:51I want to

51:54>> they the problem in the city of Syracuse

51:57is not the water.

52:00>> Yeah. It's the pipes, right?

52:03>> So, we we we add a corrosion control or

52:08water which coats the water mitigates

52:11any kind of leading

52:14water. [clears throat] Run your water in

52:15the morning

52:19problem we have in Syracuse, New York is

52:20the landlords not taking care of their

52:22properties and paying them by mitigation

52:24the houses. That's where we're getting

52:26led to. So to so to get these landlords

52:29to replace their service line at a

52:31$7,000 cost when they won't paint their

52:33property is the problem we have in this

52:35area.

52:37>> Commissioner, you're absolutely right.

52:38You know, I I think that's a point

52:40where,

52:41>> you know,

52:41>> we need to hold the landlords

52:43accountable, right?

52:44>> We're looking into that,

52:45>> right? So that that is one element. The

52:47other piece is the availability, right?

52:50The availability versus a person taking

52:53advant taking advantage of the

52:54availability. [clears throat]

52:55Our job is to make sure that people are

52:58aware that there's education. They know

53:00right now whether they take initiative

53:04to address it. That's that's a separate

53:06conversation. Right.

53:07>> Right. But we make sure that they they

53:10know what's up. Right.

53:11>> And and actually a quick question about

53:13that too. So it can't just be any

53:16contractor they choose to work with.

53:18Does it have to be in some kind of list

53:20from the city? those contractors that

53:22would

53:22>> it has to be as long as they have a

53:24licensed plumber hooking the meter. They

53:27have to have a

53:28>> but if they draw the permits then that

53:30>> they have to have a license,

53:32>> right? They just can't have their body

53:33coming.

53:35They have to have a license.

53:36>> And then when you put in the the side

53:38the public side, do you check who who

53:41put it in?

53:42>> We'll get when they apply for the permit

53:45for us to do it, we'll know who did

53:46their

53:47>> Okay. Okay.

53:49Okay.

53:49>> Right. They'll know. We'll know who did

53:51that. And most

53:53>> private

53:56It's a lot. It's a big task. And we, you

54:01know, one thing the city's doing which

54:03is very smart is we're doing we're

54:06mandating like all our contractors

54:08trenchless.

54:10So we're not going in with heavy

54:11equipment and just carrying up from the

54:13foundation of your house.

54:16So we're we're requiring trenches for

54:19all our service.

54:20So, you know, you kind of just big

54:23couple small holes and you run a bullet.

54:27So, less disruption

54:31back home.

54:38I have a question, but it's not it's

54:41regarding this, but not regarding this.

54:43In a 30,000 block of burn butter,

54:47JJ Lane had dug [clears throat] up the

54:50service and they had left all of the

54:53debris there and the dirt there and they

54:55were told to remove it and they did

54:58remove it. They just grind it up. What

55:01are we doing about [clears throat]

55:03>> that would be more so so

55:06I've reached out to them numerous times

55:08told it had to be removed. They told me

55:11it was removed. I haven't been over to

55:12the site.

55:13>> No need.

55:14>> That is

55:17>> that is a code and the owner

55:21They leased the property from the owner

55:25and the owner let them do whatever they

55:27wanted city. I can't force them. There's

55:31nothing I can do to them for doing that.

55:34That would be more of a codes verse the

55:37owner of the property saying it needs to

55:39be. So codes would have to go out. You

55:43know, I reached out to them as them

55:45doing work for us saying but I know

55:48they're using that aging site for other

55:50construction for the 81 project they're

55:52doing for the 15th ward work they were

55:54doing there dumping stuff there from

55:56that has nothing to do with the city so

55:58they're just using that as their so what

56:00they did was they leased it as their

56:03staging area which is fine staging area

56:06is putting your you know materials your

56:10shoring your equipment they turned it

56:13into their landfill areas which is not

56:17what they were

56:18>> I hate bring you in on this, but is

56:20there something that we can do about

56:22that?

56:25>> Zoom out.

56:30>> Talking about JJ Lane and how they um

56:33used a site on Bern Bernett for their

56:36staging area and they left all of the

56:39debris and the dirt and stuff there and

56:40they were told to move it.

56:43>> The codes has to go after the homeowner.

56:47I mean the property owner that's I've

56:49been in contact with codes on that with

56:51Jake and I'm saying that you know go

56:54after the property owner property owner

56:56leased them the property which I don't

57:00know if it's legal or not for they paid

57:03this property use this

57:06property owner in the city that has to

57:08be

57:13>> all right. So then what I can do is

57:14follow up with Jake. Is that what you're

57:15saying right now?

57:16>> Yeah. Definitely. I can I can give him a

57:17call to reiterate everything that Rob

57:19just said.

57:19>> Yeah. Instead of them just spreading it,

57:21they they were supposed to remove it,

57:23>> right? There's actually another property

57:25we just dealt with on Midland.

57:27>> Yeah.

57:28>> That they

57:30got that one taken care of. So,

57:32>> not to defend them, I could tell you

57:33this because I seen the invoice. They

57:35removed like 200 something loads out of

57:38it. So, they did remove a lot of it. I

57:40mean,

57:40>> I know, Commissioner, you said they

57:42removed a lot, but I mean, they didn't

57:44all right.

57:47Speaking of uh JJ Lane, how ho how is

57:51the Iwaza project?

57:54>> It's all good. Good to go.

57:56>> So I can tell you we went from the

57:59Gilbert A area was struggling to reach

58:0316 PSI 18 PSI water pressure. We put

58:08pumps in all them homes on the Gilbert A

58:10hillside over the last few years.

58:12They've been struggling for the last 10

58:14years with water pressure over there.

58:16They're at right now they reached 30 PSI

58:18this morning. So definitely had a huge

58:22impact on giving them water pressure. Um

58:25we have another

58:26>> from 16 to 30.

58:28>> It was sometimes it was dropping to 11

58:29PSI. So it's up now the low point is

58:34like 22 PSI like the high usage during

58:36the day gets down to like 22 and then

58:39the the high pressure It's up to like 30

58:44which is like something we haven't seen

58:46there in a long time. And we have

58:49another valve that's broken closed on

58:51salina and load eye being replaced right

58:54now that we believe will add a little

58:55more pressure. So So like I said the

58:59money we're asking for valve replacement

59:01main replacement we have about 70 broken

59:03valves in the city large valves. That

59:07means 16 or larger 16 inch in diameter.

59:11are all transmission.

59:13>> What happened on Iowa that that that

59:16ended up broken? What happened over

59:17there?

59:18>> That broke 20 something years ago near

59:21the sky bridge. It broke.

59:24>> Are you talking about Park Street?

59:26>> Yeah.

59:26>> Oh, so

59:28contractor was removing the valve out of

59:30the hole. Our valve that was broken

59:32closed, which was a 24 inch gate valve

59:36that was broken closed for no one knows

59:38how long. Definitely a minimum of five

59:41years. Um, it was broken closed. So, it

59:45was in the ground. It's closed. Broken

59:48closed. So, it wouldn't open. So, it

59:49wasn't letting the water through.

59:51>> So, it was like taking like an artery

59:53and cutting it off. Water doesn't flow,

59:56which hurts the north side. So, we were

59:59replacing that valve. Contractor was.

1:00:01And when they were lifting it out,

1:00:03moving it, get it out of the hole, the

1:00:05chain broke. When it did, it dropped on

1:00:07the county water. which was two feet

1:00:10away from the city cracked their water.

1:00:13They repaired that.

1:00:17>> But that's all online. That's all up in

1:00:19operation. That's fully.

1:00:20>> It's online. So, but who I mean because

1:00:23this is just my concern, right? We're

1:00:25paying all of these contractors to do

1:00:27all this work. So, when the contractor

1:00:30dropped the valve, so who's responsible?

1:00:34>> They are.

1:00:34>> JJ Lane.

1:00:35>> They JJ Lane fixed it. I know they fixed

1:00:38it, but all of that water that I saw

1:00:42flying up in the air.

1:00:43>> That was all from Aqua's water.

1:00:45>> Aqua did a

1:00:48incident report on site and would

1:00:51they'll build JJ.

1:00:52>> Okay. That's what I want. JJ Lang is

1:00:54going to be responsible.

1:00:55>> City has no bearing on that. That would

1:00:58that's JJ Lane's insurance. Got to cover

1:01:00any cost on it.

1:01:02>> That was a lot of water.

1:01:03>> Yeah, that was in defense to

1:01:07city and JJ Lane. That's because the

1:01:09county couldn't get their water out. So,

1:01:11they're in the same boat as us. They

1:01:13turned a million valves and couldn't get

1:01:14it down because their valves haven't

1:01:16been operating years. You know, normally

1:01:19it was a two gate shut. You come, you

1:01:21shut one valve, you shut another valve,

1:01:23water stops. They shut them valves,

1:01:25water still didn't stop. Got to keep

1:01:27going back chasing valves. That's why it

1:01:30ran so long. because they couldn't get

1:01:33their valves

1:01:35situation.

1:01:37>> Do you have any additional information

1:01:40now that we're on JJ lane about all of

1:01:43the you know that they've been fixing in

1:01:45let's say the communities but then they

1:01:47leave unattended all behind in front of

1:01:50people's homes.

1:01:51>> So that's what we're concentrating on

1:01:53now with them is catching up on the

1:01:56restoration. We have teams out there

1:01:57with them right now going over that.

1:02:00We're holding our partners accountable

1:02:02in investigating these jobs and making

1:02:05sure the restoration's complete. You

1:02:08know, we know November's coming,

1:02:09winter's coming. Things got to be

1:02:11buttoned up. Um so we're really tackling

1:02:13that right now. That's why we held

1:02:16contracts

1:02:18>> um four, five, six. We held them

1:02:21>> instead of giving them out until they're

1:02:23completing this project.

1:02:25>> And then we're giving out the next phase

1:02:27for them to continue.

1:02:30Commissioner, can you can you um I ask

1:02:32this a lot from different departments,

1:02:34but can you give me me um speaking for

1:02:37me a number of how much we've actually

1:02:40invested in JJ Lane over the course of

1:02:43this year?

1:02:44>> Yeah, I can get them numbers for you.

1:02:50>> So, speaking of of

1:02:55>> we invest in JJ these numbers, that's

1:02:57because they

1:03:00Understood.

1:03:00>> They come in the lowest. I mean, that's

1:03:02how they get them. They're just They

1:03:03come in the lowest and

1:03:06>> New York State.

1:03:25So, so historically in terms of

1:03:29making sure that the contractors put

1:03:31back

1:03:33um the places that they were doing

1:03:36business in as they were right. Do we

1:03:38have staff in the city that follow them

1:03:42to make sure that they [laughter] that

1:03:45>> they just don't feel that nobody's

1:03:47looking and they can do whatever they

1:03:48want?

1:03:48>> That's part of that thousand dollar with

1:03:50GHC for this project. They have on-site

1:03:53representation.

1:03:55They have engineers out there following

1:03:57them calling them back, giving them list

1:03:59every day. You know, you missed this.

1:04:01This needs to be, you know, that you you

1:04:04back filled these holes. Now they've

1:04:06sank and you got to go back. So, so

1:04:08there's people out there every day

1:04:10>> chasing these guys.

1:04:11>> These are engineer from the engineering

1:04:13department.

1:04:13>> They have a field that's out there. as

1:04:16well as we have a construction manager B

1:04:18R B R B R B R B R B R B R B R B R B Ryan

1:04:18Messi who's out there every single day

1:04:21chasing them down figuring out. So what

1:04:24happened was you know we had an

1:04:27exceedence EPA exceedence on our sample

1:04:30back in 24

1:04:35and we had a requirement to replace a

1:04:39certain amount of service EPA.

1:04:42So we were and we had like a year

1:04:43window.

1:04:45So they went out just started blazing

1:04:51can't do restoration.

1:04:53So come springtime still moving forward

1:04:55to replacements fell behind on

1:04:58restoration. So we're chasing them now.

1:05:03>> Well any other question.

1:05:06>> Anything else?

1:05:07>> No. Well I want to thank everybody here

1:05:10and Thank you all for participating.

1:05:13This will conclude our meeting.

1:05:15>> Thank you. And we would expect a letter

1:05:17soon, right?

1:05:18>> Yep. That'll be in next

1:05:19>> next agenda. Okay. Excellent.

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