2026-09-11 - Common Council Charter, Rules, Procedure, RFP and Intergovernmental Service Consolidation Committee

03:58Are they the 345 or what room?

04:02>> Uh they're no first, second, third.

04:04They're just about to turn

04:05>> or pardon me. Yeah. PreK.

04:08>> Our daughter's

04:10>> she's got she's in the same class.

04:16Right.

04:19>> New new principle new leadership team

04:21off there.

04:22>> She was the vice president.

04:27>> She's great.

04:28>> And the VP

04:31>> came from Clary.

04:33Spectacular.

04:35>> They're both named Kate. They both have

04:37blonde hair. They look pretty much

04:40>> same. [laughter]

04:42Not that that could make it confusing.

04:44>> No, not at all. Especially for a

04:465-year-old. It's like

04:48>> a lot

04:49are identical. And one of them used to

04:51wear glasses, but he doesn't anymore.

04:53And so like now regular teachers are

04:55like

04:56>> uh and they switch clothes

05:00>> all the benefits of being an identical

05:01twin, huh?

05:02>> Yeah. I figure one day it's going to

05:04dawn on them that they could just switch

05:05glasses, but we're not there yet. I

05:07don't think they

05:09>> So you're keeping them away from parent

05:11trap in the back or in the front?

05:13>> That would be a very bad

05:15anyone.

05:16>> Luckily, one of them has a birth mark,

05:17so they can never truly switch places.

05:19Sorry.

05:21>> You're good.

05:22>> Is it time?

05:23>> It's time.

05:25>> Good afternoon, everybody. Thank you for

05:27joining us. This meeting is to discuss

05:31charter changes.

05:33And uh thank you for uh councelor

05:36Patrona,

05:38Jones Rouser, Marty Nav, Corey Williams,

05:42and Hannah Eron Reford for joining us.

05:43Thank you, Evan uh Loving, our director

05:46of budget, for being here with us today.

05:48So, I'm just going to hand it to you so

05:50you can explain to us your plan.

05:52>> Great.

05:53>> And we'll ask questions after that.

05:54>> Sure. I'm going to cover a couple of

05:55things. So, I'll cover what's in the

05:57proposed charter changes. The the

05:59changes themselves, I think, are a lot

06:00of clarifications. Um,

06:03my thought behind this is that these are

06:05helping us set the stage for things that

06:07we're going to be working on over the

06:08next couple of years in order to

06:09actually improve the capital planning

06:11process and product. Um, so I'll touch

06:13on some of those as well. And I know

06:15I'll touch on the timing of the the

06:17capital planning, um, as well as a

06:20project that we're currently working on

06:21with API to help, um, make some more

06:23information available mid year. So, uh,

06:26to start, I'll start with the

06:27legislation since since that's what's

06:29before the council. Um, some simple

06:31things. So, currently our capital plan

06:34is really called capital program. Uh, I

06:36want to rename it to capital improvement

06:37plan. I know it's a small thing, but

06:39it's colloally called the CIP. it is

06:41truly meant to be a plan and so I think

06:45you know making that as a clarification

06:47um currently the charter requires six

06:50years for a capital plan uh it's

06:53challenging at times to project out plan

06:55you know projects that far in advance so

06:58my hope is to require a minimum of two

07:00years of projections for each project

07:03and up to a maximum of six so for

07:05example if we're doing lead servicement

07:07and we're confident in what our project

07:09plans are going to be six years out um

07:12then we we should put in six years of

07:14data. Uh if it's something that's

07:16smaller and we say we really only know

07:17what we're going to be doing on this

07:18project for two years. My purpose in

07:21this is I really want the information

07:22that's in the plan to be quality not

07:25quantity. So I don't want people putting

07:27in out years of three, four, five years

07:31and saying but I really have no idea. If

07:33we have no idea, I think we need to

07:34acknowledge what gaps we have and what

07:36we need to fill. Um, but make sure that

07:38we're focusing on quality information in

07:39the plan. Um, I want to the currently

07:43the charter requires that we project out

07:46three years post completion impact on

07:48operating. This is something we've been

07:50very inconsistent about. Full

07:52disclosure, I would I want to make sure

07:54that we are doing it. And again, I I

07:56hope I think realistically we can do

07:58that two years out. So, for example, if

07:59we're going to um do a project, let's

08:02say we're going to build a new parks

08:03facility, the plan should include this

08:06is the ex estimated impact on the

08:08operating budget for this for the two

08:10years following the completion of the

08:11project.

08:13Um and then uh clarifying so the pro

08:17business practice has always been that

08:19the chart uh the CIP applies to the

08:22fiscal years, but that's actually not

08:23written down anywhere. And so I want to

08:25make sure that we clarify that these

08:28this plan aligns with the with the given

08:30fiscal years and and make it very clear

08:33when departments can come to the council

08:35for authorization for cash capital or

08:37bonding and align that with the uh July

08:401, June 30th time frame. And again,

08:42that's that's been the practice uh as as

08:45long as I'm aware. Um but I just want to

08:47make sure that since we're making

08:49changes that we're clarifying those. Any

08:51questions on the actual legislation or

08:53elements of those before I get into sort

08:56of a broader vision for improving

08:58capital planning?

08:59>> I think Evan, one thing that comes to

09:00mind is when we start we initiate a

09:03capital project with outside funding,

09:05whether it be grant funding or, you

09:07know, a one-time pot of money from

09:10whomever.

09:12>> Um,

09:13>> often those have

09:16challenges with financial

09:17sustainability. Um but that money never

09:19shows up in the capital plan. When we

09:22talk about projecting the cost of of

09:24capital projects out multiple years in

09:26the future, do we have any mechanism to

09:28communicate or estimate the

09:31sustainability of projects moving

09:34forward that come from one-time funding?

09:36>> We have the ability to do that. Again,

09:38as you mentioned, I don't think it's

09:39been the practice. So, in the plan now,

09:42we break down funding sources by year.

09:44My my thought on that would be you have

09:46a project you get let's say you get

09:47grant funding a million dollars for a

09:49project you know that this is going to

09:50be something you intend to do ongoing

09:52let's let's call housing okay we're

09:54going to do x amount of housing I don't

09:55know or sidewalks whatever it is and

09:57we're going to do it and then but long

09:59term the intent is to transition that um

10:03off grant funding but to continue to

10:04fund it that should be reflected in the

10:05plan say one or two years of grant

10:07funding and then borrowed cash um

10:10another thing I'll touch on later on is

10:13making sure we actually have a strategy

10:14for how we decide like what the funding

10:16mechanism is going to be if it's city

10:18money. Um but right now that's more

10:21informal than formalized and so uh

10:23ultimately that is what we need to do

10:25for each project and I think it's been

10:27hit or miss in terms of how successful

10:29we've been and I would say that's true

10:30on the operating budget as well. You

10:32know we have things that have been grant

10:33funded initially.

10:35I've been very focused on if we're

10:38funding something with grant money and

10:40we're going to want to continue it. the

10:42plan and strategy for funding it going

10:44forward and trying to think about that

10:46at the beginning and rather wait till

10:48you know you get towards that cliff and

10:50have to decide.

10:51>> So how far in advance do we know we're

10:53going to get a grant for X initiative

10:56for you to make that projection

10:59of when do we cut the grant and go into

11:01the into the budget?

11:02>> It's a fr it's a frustrating answer, but

11:03it it really does depend. Um, I think if

11:05you're talking about a grant that's

11:07going to be used to do something new, I

11:09think you you're going to have more of

11:10a, you know, time frame. Whereas, you

11:12know, obviously we have smaller grants

11:14all the time that come in, but they're

11:16not necessarily creating new offices

11:18within the budget, you know, new

11:20facilities that were going to have to be

11:22maintained. You know, we use grants to

11:24um complete, you know, smaller end

11:26projects all the time. When if you're

11:28talking about um I'm trying to think of

11:30a good example. If we were going to get

11:32a grant to build a brand new swimming

11:34pool, you know, we're going to have that

11:36that project's going to take a long

11:37time. So, we're going to have a lot of

11:38leeway to say, okay, we're going to have

11:40to build this, but we're also going to

11:41have to absorb staff operating costs,

11:44heating costs, you know, security costs.

11:47You know, that those bigger projects

11:48have a bigger timeline. So, you have you

11:50have more of an ability if you're

11:52focused on it to project them out.

11:56Smaller projects I wouldn't expect to

11:58have as big of an a long-term impact.

12:00For example, like if we got um a grant,

12:02someone wanted to give us a grant to put

12:04air conditioning to a facility, the

12:06operating impact is not going to be as

12:08substantial.

12:08>> So, if something was to impact

12:12to a bigger project, let's say, and it's

12:14like a last minute thing that we got and

12:16we got approved, how do you handle that

12:20when you in your in the projection that

12:21we're making? So, is does that do we

12:23change that or

12:24>> we would we would change it? We would

12:26change it. We would incorporate it if

12:28you're talking specifically about the

12:29capital side, we would incorporate into

12:31the into the following year's plan. So,

12:33let's say we did get a state

12:36representative got us a big grant all of

12:37a sudden in the in during budget time

12:39for for a big project and they want

12:41we're going to start it right away.

12:42>> Um, we would incorporate that into the

12:44next plan because it's not something we

12:45are not going back and amending the

12:47plan, you know, years. That's not

12:50something that we are doing. We are

12:52monitoring capital projects and one of

12:53the things I'll talk about at the end is

12:55um a project that we've started working

12:56on with API to come up with a way to

12:58monitor those things mid year. I don't

13:00know if that'll take the form of a

13:01dashboard but somehow giving insight

13:04into where are these specific projects,

13:06how much money's been allocated to them,

13:08how much money's been spent, what's the

13:09status. Uh I don't think that's

13:11something I would envision longterm

13:12living in the plan. And I still think

13:14the plan will come out once a year and

13:15be somewhat static, but we need a

13:17dynamic way to manage capital projects

13:19that we don't have across the city right

13:21now.

13:22>> Evan, this might be a off a little bit

13:25off subject question, but

13:27>> Okay.

13:27>> Um I'm looking and it says um you want

13:30to change it from um six years to a

13:33minimum of two, maximum of six.

13:35>> Yeah. But do is there um plans because

13:39like when I ask different departments,

13:41what year is this neighborhood going to

13:43get sidewalks, they really don't know.

13:46So [clears throat] is there over do are

13:48the departments working on getting

13:49master plans so that when we're asked

13:52those questions by constituents, we can

13:54say you're scheduled for four years from

13:56now. I mean, is that it topic a part of

13:59this? Because it seems like it would it

14:01would fit well with it.

14:03>> It is. And I'm I'm hoping this In my in

14:06my mind, the capital plan should be both

14:09a the central resource for what what our

14:11plans are over the next six years, but

14:14it also needs to be a management tool in

14:16that it creates a funnel where the

14:19information that's in there is expected

14:20to answer those questions. So, um, one

14:23thing you'll see kind of as we go down,

14:26I want to incorporate a lot of a lot

14:28more data into the capital plan,

14:30including, um, timelines, benchmarks,

14:33actually have it be a planning document

14:34as opposed to just, quite frankly, a

14:36list of projects. Um, and so that that

14:39is something we're going to incorporate.

14:41It's probably going to take

14:42realistically, it's going to take us a

14:44few years to do that across the entire

14:45city. My hope for this year is to pick a

14:47couple of key projects and and do do

14:50them almost as like a pilot or examples

14:52of how we're going to have the plan

14:53going forward. Um, but it's something we

14:56do. It's just not consistent. And so I'm

14:58hoping this can be the funnel in order

14:59to facilitate that.

15:01>> I I think that would be so that would

15:03[clears throat] be such a benefit to

15:05everybody, you know, because even though

15:07we might say we're going to do 200

15:08sidewalks this year, 200 next year, we

15:11don't know, at least we don't know where

15:13you're doing them.

15:14>> Sure. So having that in the plan I think

15:16would be so helpful to all of us

15:17>> and I think it would be it'd be helpful

15:19obviously to decision makers. It's

15:20helpful to the public to say this is

15:22what the city's goals are. Obviously the

15:24city's goals do change. You know our

15:25financial conditions change a lot. So

15:27each year I think we have to not only

15:29have a plan but we also have to be able

15:31to acknowledge when things have changed.

15:33You know similar to what we're trying to

15:34do with the operating budget. If

15:35something is going to fluctuate for

15:37whatever reason I think we need to both

15:38acknowledge it and explain like what

15:40what what the change was and what

15:42necessitated us to do something

15:43different. Um, that brings me to one of

15:46the points that's going to be really

15:47important to me is incorporating

15:49previous year information into the plan.

15:51So, currently, if you want to know what

15:54was what was allocated for a project

15:56last year, you need to, as I often do,

15:59literally carry two plans with you.

16:01That's not going to be the way it is in

16:02the future. The the current plan will

16:04also incorporate past year's data. So,

16:07you'll be able to see like this is what

16:08we plan to do for sidewalks last year.

16:09This is what we're planning to do this

16:11year. and you'll be able to see them

16:12side by side similar to how you do in

16:13the operating budget and understand okay

16:15this is this is what's changed and why

16:18>> that's great [snorts]

16:21um any other questions before I kind of

16:23move on

16:25>> okay and I'll cover so I'll cover a

16:27couple things that I may have already

16:28covered but um there's some there's some

16:30basic things and some more difficult

16:33things that I want to accomplish with

16:34the plan um you know from from basic

16:36perspective uh we're going to start

16:38incorporating a narrative that just

16:39explains what the plan is and and why we

16:42use it. Um, you know, right now I

16:44actually including this little packet,

16:45but the very last page is is page one.

16:48Page one of the plan is just a chart

16:51with the with the numbers on it. Um, and

16:53I don't think that's necessarily

16:55welcoming people and having them say, I

16:57can pick up this document and really

16:58understand it. My hope is that anybody

17:00in the city, you know, residents,

17:02anybody could pick it up and say, I can

17:04read through this and understand, you

17:05know, what the plan is.

17:06>> This is how it is right now, right?

17:07>> That's how it is. Like that's page one

17:09right now. And so when you see it next

17:11year, the upcoming plan will actually

17:13include more detail explaining what the

17:15plan is, what the purpose is, what our

17:17vision is for the plan,

17:17>> and what the numbers are

17:19>> and what the numbers are. And the

17:20numbers are important, but the numbers

17:22by themselves don't really tell you

17:24anything. You shouldn't you shouldn't

17:25need to work here to understand the

17:27capital plan. You know, you should be

17:29able to pick it up and understand it

17:31from itself. Um, we do have a a comment

17:33from County Legislator Romeo in the

17:36audience pointing out that the county's

17:38capital plan is actually fairly well

17:40laid out and has a great template that

17:42you might want to take a peek at.

17:44[laughter]

17:48>> I love good ideas.

17:53>> Yeah, just take a peek at Oh,

17:54>> absolutely. And I have I've looked at

17:56the capital the county's capital plan

17:57and their budget. So, I think it'll be I

17:59think there'll be a lot of good ideas

18:00that we can borrow from them. Um,

18:04I want, like I said, I want to

18:05incorporate some prior prior year

18:08authorizations and spends. You know, I

18:10think the council often has questions

18:11about, well, how much money have we

18:13authorized for this particular project

18:14or a similar project or

18:16>> something recently, so that should be

18:18incorporated in the plan so it can be a

18:19reference. Um I want to make sure that

18:22we have consistency in projects you know

18:24project naming conventions project

18:26numbering so that way you know there's

18:28no confusion between uh digital

18:30modernization and modernizing digital

18:34infrastructure if those two things are

18:35the same project they should have the

18:36same name and if they're different

18:37projects we should distinguish them um

18:41uh and same with descriptions you know I

18:43want to make sure that the descriptions

18:44allow an audience to understand um you

18:47know what what's going on with the

18:49project Uh, I also want to make sure

18:50there's better alignment with the CIP,

18:52the budget, grants management, which is

18:54something that we are currently working

18:56on. Janet and her team, um, and Jen have

18:59been working very hard on grants

19:01management. Um, and also just non-

19:04capital projects. So, or or non- city

19:06projects. If we're, for example, if

19:07we're going to do some infrastructure

19:09work related to where they're working on

19:1081, for example, like we should note

19:12that in the plan that that's the reason

19:14that we're we're doing those making

19:16those changes. Um, as I mentioned, it's

19:19going to take a little while for us to

19:20do this. It's not something that, you

19:22know, when you get a capital plan on

19:25time this year in December, maybe even

19:27early. No promises, but maybe early. Uh,

19:31my hope what this my hope for the my

19:32first capital plan was it wasn't the

19:34last day of the year, but then it ended

19:35up being the last day of the year. So, I

19:36figure if it's December 30th, we'll be

19:38doing better. Um, it will not have all

19:41of these things in it uh right away. So

19:44for year one, we are going to start um

19:47we we as you all approved um we have

19:50some grant funding from Bloomberg to

19:52work with a consultant who's helping us

19:54do some of the backend that's going to

19:55allow us to incorporate these things

19:56over time. Um I am going to have a new

19:59introductory narrative, you know, again

20:01to explain what the plan is and also

20:04our, you know, vision long term for what

20:05the plan hopefully will be. Um, and then

20:09I want to take certain projects and

20:12start building out as examples like more

20:15historical data, project timelines,

20:17things like that. With the hope being

20:19that when we're done with this process

20:21in two or three plans, we'll have it for

20:24every single project. But in the

20:26meantime, making sure that we're being

20:27mindful of internal capacity and also

20:30making sure that we don't make any

20:31wholesale changes and say, "Oops, we

20:33really this actually wasn't effective or

20:35we don't like how this turned out." So I

20:37want to make sure we're being

20:38incremental. Um my hope is

20:40>> so we would also have the flexibility

20:41because to keep up with the timelines we

20:43think a project is going to hold then it

20:46doesn't. So do you have the flexibility

20:49to

20:50>> Yeah. So we yeah we will we'll have

20:52flexibility in terms of how we implement

20:54planning changes so that way we make

20:55sure that we are confident in our

20:58methodology before we you know try and

21:00do it citywide. Um

21:03I mentioned uh working with API on you

21:07know some some I don't want to call it

21:09live tracking because it wouldn't be

21:10live but something that's more periodic

21:12where someone could say hey what's the

21:13status of this you know parks facilities

21:15improvement project midy year and they

21:17could say this is how much money's

21:18authorized this is how much money's been

21:20spent this is you know its status and

21:22trying to have some standardization

21:23around that um you had asked about

21:26timing for the capital plan itself so we

21:28actually have already launched our

21:30capital planning time time for the year.

21:32We've asked departments um to get us

21:35back their projects, their proposed

21:37projects by the end of uh the beginning

21:39of next month. We're going to review

21:41them. We're going to pick some projects.

21:43Again, to use as kind of examples for

21:45what the future of the plan will look

21:47like. Um the other thing that I want to

21:49make sure that we're doing long term, I

21:51mentioned aligning the capital plan with

21:52the budget. Currently, the amount of

21:56projects that are in the capital plan

21:57are not realistic. If we completed

22:00everything in the capital plan, it would

22:02not be sustainable on the finance side.

22:04So, while I don't necessarily think that

22:07there'll be a hard cap, I do think there

22:09has to be a balancing of what's in the

22:12plan reasonably balances with our

22:14expectations on the operating budget.

22:16So, you know, for example, I think this

22:18year the general fund capital plan was

22:21like $90 million, but if we borrowed $90

22:24million

22:25in one year, you would have other

22:27financial challenges. and it's not

22:29consistent with our with our um actual

22:32spend. And so I would like to bring

22:34those two things into alignment. It just

22:36again we'll be moving through this

22:39incrementally, but over time I would

22:41like to make sure those things are very

22:43close together

22:55with determining those things.

22:57>> Absolutely. right now.

22:59>> Yeah,

23:00>> right now. Um, as you all know, we often

23:02authorize projects. They may or may not

23:04be completed or cost as much. Um,

23:08>> so we need to be able to have that

23:09information more readily available so

23:11that way as we do plan multi-year, you

23:13know, if you say because it can go in

23:15either direction, right? You can say,

23:16"Oh, wow. We've historically

23:18underspent our authorization, which I

23:20think is is true and great, but it can

23:23it can go the other way. If that's your

23:24expectation, but then somehow you're all

23:26of a sudden spending 90 or 95% of your

23:28authorization, but you're still in the

23:30in your mindset, oh no, we're going to

23:31underspend. You're going to have a

23:33problem pretty quickly. You know, and

23:34these are things

23:37I think on the capital side, it's

23:38unlikely that you're going to have a

23:39one-year problem. Obviously, big things

23:41do come up. You know, parking garages

23:43need work. Um there there are big

23:45projects like and and that's normal like

23:47that's that's what you know people think

23:49about a financing your own personal life

23:50like you don't buy a house every year

23:52most likely for most people or a car

23:54every year for most people and then you

23:56have a lot of other little things that

23:57are kind of in the interim.

23:59So it's not something where I say well

24:01if if you miss on one year it's going to

24:04be a disaster but if you miss a couple

24:05years in a row it could become a serious

24:07problem. And so to me, we, you know, I

24:09want to have a handle on it to make sure

24:11that we're um not ending up in a

24:13situation where we're having to look

24:15back and say, "What happened?" We're

24:16looking forward and saying, "What do we

24:17want to happen?"

24:18>> Yeah.

24:22>> You know, in terms of the changes, I'

24:24I'd just like to say that Evan has

24:27incorporated a lot of the feedback that

24:29I've I've been wishing for and asking

24:31for over time. and not only that, but

24:33gone above and beyond what my vision

24:37was. And so, I want to commend you and

24:38your team for being able to put this

24:41together and and bring it to the

24:42council. I think it'll be a really big

24:46and important thing for the city in

24:48terms of our financial planning long

24:49term.

24:50>> I appreciate that. And I will say, you

24:52know, as I mentioned, like we are going

24:53to be working on this. We are to some

24:55degree in city government, I think

24:56you're always building the plane while

24:57you fly it a little bit. Like we're

24:59obviously we're still operating. and

25:00we're still doing capital projects.

25:02Nothing's going to pause because we're

25:05making changes. So, I'm always open to

25:07feedback, you know. So, if we if we do

25:09something and it's or is not working,

25:10you know, please make sure of

25:12communication is always open. Um, I do

25:14not think it's just going to be perfect

25:16the first time. Um, so we will be

25:18working on it and, you know, obviously I

25:19appreciate the support and I I

25:20appreciate this is something I think

25:21will be helpful, but if for some reason,

25:23you know, there are things that are not

25:25working, you know, reach out to me and

25:27you know, right now I kind of have a

25:28three-year plan. If I'm lucky enough to

25:29have a fourth year, then we can come up

25:30with a four to eight year plan. Uh, and

25:33so, um, again, always open to making

25:35changes and seeing what we can do. I

25:38want to say, Evan, I think what we want

25:40to do is try to do project simplify to

25:42make it simpler where people

25:45constituents can understand

25:48what we are doing because sometimes you

25:50go multiple pages and and it's hard for

25:53us to explain when you know like last

25:54night's meeting I'm trying to explain

25:56things to constituents of what we're

25:58doing and [clears throat] sometimes it

26:00just like falls in deaf ears or some

26:02people will just want to be all the want

26:05wants to know all the nooks and

26:07crannies. I don't have the answers and I

26:09think you do too. I can't bring city

26:10hall to a meeting but you know I think

26:13we make it simplified people understand

26:16what our projects are doing and that's

26:19very important though.

26:20>> Yeah. I think one of my hopes is

26:23obviously constituent service is very

26:25important. Um I started my career in a

26:27constituent service role. My hope is if

26:29someone has a question about a project

26:30that the project description in the plan

26:32will actually be a real resource. Like

26:34right now if somebody asked me about a

26:35capital project I probably wouldn't

26:37point them to the capital plan currently

26:39you [snorts] know I probably point them

26:40to some other resource which we do have

26:41obviously there's information on the

26:42website there's departments that have

26:44information but I would hope that this

26:46would be an augmentation to that and be

26:49another resource where you could say

26:50yeah go in the capital plan and look at

26:52the project for uh Bernett Park or you

26:55know whatever you're interested in and

26:57you'll have some quality meaningful

26:59information. The other thing I don't

27:01think I mentioned explicitly

27:03in doing planning and timelines, I want

27:05to make sure that we're particular

27:07focused amongst other things on

27:09procurement timelines. So if somebody

27:12says I know I'm going to need a vendor

27:13and I know I'm going to need them in the

27:16second quarter of the year, it's like

27:17okay well then you need this much leeway

27:19and this is when you need to be going

27:20out for a bid or an RFP. And that will

27:22help on the procurement side to say hey

27:25>> absolutely

27:26>> department you know you said you want

27:28this project to start at this time then

27:30your procurement needs to start roughly

27:32this time let's work together and I

27:34think it's something that can be an

27:35accountability mechanism on both sides

27:37and just something that helps us get

27:39even more clarity in terms of what we

27:41need to be doing because I I've heard

27:43maybe from every single person at this

27:44table um the frustration in not having

27:47the procurement piece always in place

27:49ahead of time. So, and I've heard that

27:51from the departments as well.

28:00>> Anybody else?

28:02>> Are we all set?

28:04>> I will not be here on Monday. So,

28:06>> okay.

28:07>> It's okay.

28:09>> Thank you.

28:10>> Well, thank you very much.

28:11>> Thank you.

28:12>> Thank you everybody for joining. Meeting

28:14a journey.

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