2026-09-01 - Citizen Review Board

10:23from the citizen and the board members

10:25to the Tuesday September 1st 2026 uh c

10:29uh citizen review board. It is now 5:30

10:33um and the meeting is being held in the

10:35common council chambers. Um, like again,

10:39welcome everyone. And Peggy, can you do

10:41the uh attendance role?

10:47>> Hernand,

10:48>> he's excused.

10:51>> Here.

10:56>> Okay.

11:04>> She's excused.

11:09here. Okay. So, we are one shy of a

11:12quota. Um,

11:16>> no. Oh, I got it on the if you look on

11:18the agenda.

11:21Okay.

11:30>> Okay. So, um, we're gonna have to table

11:33the approval of the August m, uh,

11:35minutes because, uh, we don't have a

11:37quorum. So, that'll be, uh, table unless

11:40Harry shows up and then we can re, um,

11:44um, bring that back on the agenda. Um,

11:49so the first thing on the agenda is the

11:52update on the CRB um, pause. Uh as most

11:57of you know that we have decided to

12:01continue with the investigations.

12:03Um and then we had a um a request to

12:08board members that if any board member

12:11chose not to stay on the board, they

12:14needed to have their written resignation

12:16in by that Friday. Um and we have two

12:20letters of resignation. Um, one is, uh,

12:25Linda, uh, Bat and the second one is

12:29Michael Kern. Um, so what we're gonna

12:31have to do is that we'll have to work

12:33with the council uh, for replacement for

12:37those two uh, members that decided that

12:39they were going to drop off of the

12:40board. So, we are now down um, three

12:44members off of the full CR um, CBR C

12:49>> CRB board. Um the next thing on our

12:53agenda is the update on the insurance

12:55and I am happy to announce that as of

12:59today um the insurance policy went

13:02through so the board is now covered by

13:06the insurance. So uh so that's all taken

13:09care of. Um

13:14the next thing on is um the board

13:17members responsibility.

13:19Um, one of the things that we're going

13:21to try to do in the upcoming uh the rest

13:24of this year is to make sure that we

13:28keep tight reigns on attendance for

13:31board members. Um, we need to have all

13:33our board members attend all the

13:35meetings. Also, um, we're going to do a

13:39special training for the board members

13:41on institution instituting

13:44uh, events in their area. So, um, that

13:48was one of the things that's outlined by

13:50the legislation that board members need

13:52to hold an event in their area. So,

13:55we're going to do some training to help

13:56board members achieve those, uh, those

13:58goals. Um, the next thing on the agenda

14:02is the CRB administrative monthly

14:04report.

14:09>> Good afternoon everyone. Um, I would

14:12like to first take this time to uh to

14:15say thank you to the CRB staff and also

14:17to the board members for all that they

14:20have done, for showing up and standing

14:22strong throughout this process. It

14:24hasn't been an easy task, but I want you

14:26to know that your work did not go

14:28unnoticed and I thank you so much

14:30personally for your encouragement on the

14:32times that, you know, we felt a lot of

14:34discouragement and things, but thank you

14:37again for your encouragement and your

14:39support. truly it definitely impacted

14:41not just me but the office itself. So,

14:43thank you.

14:45Um

14:47I

14:49so on August the 12th um during our

14:52public meeting it was decided that CRB

14:54will resume um investigation. The first

14:57thing on the agenda before getting back

14:59to the investigation was getting the

15:00liability insurance which um our

15:03chairman just told you that we are all

15:04set now with the liability insurance. Um

15:07I am currently working on cases that are

15:10approaching their expiration dates and

15:12managing the cases that are um out of

15:15our scope of work um by getting the

15:18information and things together and

15:19sending them letters to let them know

15:20that it's not something that we actually

15:23handle within our scope of work. Um

15:25since August the 24th, I have already

15:27prepared um or I won't say prepared,

15:30I've prepped 10 cases uh with the hope

15:32of them being completed by our next

15:34month's meeting. Uh CRB continues to be

15:37active in the community during the month

15:39of August. We attended the meet and

15:41greet uh with the mayor and the chief.

15:44We attended CNY Jazz

15:47um summer concerts in Jubilee Park,

15:50Handover Square Music Fest, the Latino

15:53Fest in Clinton Square. On Fridays, we

15:56do uh boots on the ground, which we do

15:59outreach in the downtown area and the

16:02surrounding areas uh handing out

16:04brochures and information in regards to

16:06what the CRB does. Uh we had a DSA

16:09meeting and we also had our unified day.

16:12And so at this time, I am going to ask

16:15if Chris would come to the mic and he

16:18can tell you a little bit about the DSA

16:20meeting. And after him, I'm going to ask

16:22Adona to give a couple minutes on the

16:25unified day.

16:32So, I'm uh Chris Bro, the data analyst

16:35for the Citizen Review Board. Um I

16:38happen to know one of the members of the

16:39Democratic Socialist of America, the

16:41chapter here in Syracuse. Um and they

16:44were one of the organizations who were

16:46vocal about uh us continuing

16:48investigations. Um and we fig uh and

16:51Milia and I spoke and we figured that it

16:53would be good to set up those

16:54relationships um if there ever is a

16:56crisis in the future but also for any um

16:59events that are in the coming up. Thank

17:02you.

17:03>> Thank you.

17:09>> Hi, I'm Adona Wade. I'm the community

17:11engagement specialist for the CRB and I

17:14just want to talk to you guys a little

17:15bit about our unified day that we did in

17:17partnership with the Syracuse Police

17:18Department and Syracuse Fire Department.

17:21Um, so it was a day for [snorts] uh

17:23bringing together, you know, the local

17:25law enforcement and the special needs

17:27community just so that they can get

17:28acclimated to each other before a crisis

17:30ever happens. Um, we think that it

17:33helps, you know, create a great culture

17:36for our community um and just raises

17:38awareness for autism. We um had

17:41wristbands and gadgets. We had um

17:45fidgets and games, food of course, and

17:48it was just really good to have law

17:50enforcement interact with the special

17:51needs community in Syracuse and all of

17:54us be together and enjoy those times. We

17:56also made fun sensory stations and we

17:59had um community organizations like

18:02Endura come and help us out. So, we just

18:04want to extend a special thank you to

18:06everybody that was involved and that

18:08made it a really great day for the

18:09special needs community of Syracuse.

18:12>> Anything?

18:15>> Okay. Um,

18:18the next thing on the agenda is the uh

18:21committee report and we're still in the

18:23uh formation of getting those committees

18:26together. um because of so much influx

18:28we've had on the board, um things are

18:31moving along a little slow, but we're uh

18:34anticipating hopefully we'll have some

18:36of those committees up and going in the

18:38very near future. Um is there any we

18:42have no old business on the agenda for

18:46today? Um

18:48and then we also are working on

18:50community assign I mean committee

18:52assignments. Um

18:55and drafting and we're working on the

18:58drafting of the committee. Um

19:04we're going to plan on having a tenative

19:07meeting for um board members um in the

19:11very near future to um outline some of

19:14the things that need to change and where

19:16we need to go and how we need to achieve

19:18that and to get there. Um

19:22the next thing up on here is our data

19:24report and Chris is going to give the

19:26data report on the update on the right

19:28to know data and Chris if you can give a

19:31definition on what that up the right up

19:33the right to know data is.

19:36>> Yeah. So uh as a part of Mayor Walsh's

19:38executive order in 2020 um one of the

19:41things that he called for was uh what

19:43was called the right to know

19:44legislation. This was a piece of

19:46legislation that was passed in New York

19:47City that basically required police

19:50officers to um record demographic

19:53information and the reasons for a stop

19:55it for stops that traditionally weren't

19:57captured in other data sets. Um and so

20:00Syracuse passed something similar uh in

20:02in 2021 and um it was it was eventually

20:06put into uh practice uh in that same

20:08time frame. um as a part of of our job

20:12uh we sought to follow up on that um to

20:15see what data reporting practices we

20:17could find and also see what trends if

20:19any we could see in the data. Um with

20:22our initial look it became immediately

20:24obvious that the most glaring issue was

20:26the fact that um data releases had not

20:29been done since quarter 4 of 2024. Uh we

20:32highlighted this in our um report that

20:34we had released at the time and after

20:37this the Syracuse Police Department

20:39published all quarters of 2025, quarters

20:42one and two of 2026 data. The CRB began

20:45to work to analyze this new data and

20:47after opening these new spreadsheets, it

20:50was immediately obvious that identifying

20:53information of adults and children had

20:55been released alongside demographic

20:58information and [snorts] the other right

20:59to know information. The identifying

21:02information released in every new

21:04quarter release release was first and

21:06last names and date of birth of

21:08individuals involved in police

21:10interactions.

21:12Some of the new data releases also

21:14contained a more specific address of the

21:16incident and officers involved. After

21:19discovering this, we manually reviewed

21:20every past data release to ensure that

21:22this issue did not exist in other

21:24previous releases. if uh we became aware

21:27that all quarter releases from 2024 also

21:31contained the names and date of births

21:32of individuals involved in police

21:34interactions. Um none of the other types

21:37of information were included in the 2024

21:40um data.

21:42Um and this was missed by me personally

21:44during the original data analysis. I owe

21:47the public an explanation as to why this

21:49was not noted during my initial review

21:51of the right to know data. I only

21:52sampled a portion of the spreadsheets

21:54that were uh to ensure that they had

21:56common columns between them and no 2024

21:59spreadsheets had made it into this

22:00initial random sample. Um this

22:03essentially won't happen again. I'm

22:04going to manually review every

22:06spreadsheet uh to make sure if I'm doing

22:08this sort of um data operation in the

22:10future.

22:12Syracuse Police Department was made

22:13immediately aware of the identifying

22:15information that made it into public

22:17data releases. And following this, the

22:192025 and 2026 data releases were

22:22promptly taken down between 1 p.m. on

22:24July 13th and 12:00 p.m. on July 14th.

22:28The 2024 data releases with identifying

22:30information remained up until some point

22:33between 1:00 p.m. on August 11th and

22:368:00 p.m. on August 13th. When the 2024

22:39data with identifying information was

22:42taken down, data releases without

22:44identifying information for uh for

22:46quarter 1 of 2024 through quarter 1 of

22:492026 was published. At this time, only

22:52quarter 2 of 2026 is meeting and missing

22:56and the CRB will publish an updated

22:58right to know report before the next

22:59board meeting and updated updated

23:02recommendation shall also be presented.

23:05Um this statement can be found on our

23:07website. um in in this meeting's uh

23:09section and thank you all for um hearing

23:12my update.

23:13>> Chris, before you sit down, I have a

23:14question. Did they say why they had the

23:17u date of births and stuff of the

23:18children and adults on there like that?

23:21>> Um from your explanation

23:23>> based on my uh my conversations with

23:26them and what I was able to see in the

23:27spreadsheet, it was essentially a

23:29database uh poll issue where they

23:31inadvertently included columns that

23:33weren't supposed to be included. And

23:35Chris, that has been corrected. Correct.

23:38>> Yes. At this time, there is no

23:40identifying information on the Syracuse

23:42Police Department website in the right

23:43to know data.

23:44>> What did they say they was doing with

23:46the information?

23:47>> Um,

23:47>> just collecting it.

23:50>> Yeah, it was just like um a public

23:54database of all of their data releases.

23:56Um, so they have this data privately on

23:58their servers. However, they

23:59inadvertently release the identifying

24:01information on their public website.

24:04>> Okay. Thank you.

24:05>> Is there any other questions from the

24:07board?

24:08>> N thanks, Chris.

24:10>> Thank you.

24:11>> Okay.

24:14Okay. Um we're going to go back to um

24:18since we we are at a quot a quorum now,

24:21we're going to go back to um ratifying

24:24the um August meeting uh minutes uh

24:28meeting minutes. Um, so I need to get a

24:31motion on the floor that uh has

24:33everybody read the uh minutes from

24:35August.

24:37Okay. Can I get a motion on the floor to

24:40adopt the uh August meeting minutes?

24:45>> It's been moved.

24:47>> Second motion.

24:47>> It's been It's been moved by Peggy,

24:49second by Elise. Uh any discussion?

24:54All in favor?

24:56>> I The motion carries. Uh August meeting,

24:59minute meetings are now official. Uh

25:02they're up on our website. The next

25:04thing on our agenda is um open

25:08discussion from the community. So we

25:12want to try to keep it to five minutes.

25:14So anyone who wants to approach the mic,

25:16please give us your name and the reason

25:18for um your uh discussion.

25:32Hi, my name is Peter McCarthy, uh,

25:34former CRB chair, and, uh, as most of

25:37you know, I've been several of us have

25:40been working together to advocate for

25:42the CRB to resume operations. We're very

25:45glad to hear that that's happening. Um,

25:49we uh I guess my my first and and yeah,

25:51we want to thank you for all the work

25:53that's that's gone into making that that

25:55happen. Um,

25:57first comment I or question is can you

26:00say anything more specific about when

26:03investigations and cases will actually

26:05start? I think I might have missed a

26:07word or two when you said something

26:09about starting next month, but

26:11>> no, we we resumed already into doing the

26:14investigations and as of right now I'm

26:16just prepping. were waiting for um the

26:19insurance to be in place. So, we are

26:23>> great. Thank Thank you very much. And

26:26the fact that you've got insurance

26:27should should help that. Um

26:33do you expect I understand we we've been

26:36informed that you got a letter. Well,

26:39when I when I um when we originally got

26:41the letter, um I reached out to the ACLU

26:44to have them uh respond to that letter

26:47because um the uh the union president uh

26:51doesn't have the legal authority to send

26:54us a letter. So, um that was sent over

26:56to the ACLU u to go ahead and to respond

27:00to that. So, and we're still waiting to

27:02hear back from them.

27:05>> Okay. Thank you. So, you're talking to

27:06the NYCLU's lawyers,

27:07>> correct?

27:08>> Great. Thank Thank you for that. Um,

27:16do you anticipate I I guess this is part

27:19of the same question. Do you anticipate

27:23difficulties in getting the information

27:25you're supposed to get from the police

27:26department for your investigations? And

27:30what will you do about that?

27:32So, um hopefully we won't end up in in

27:36in a tit fortat uh situation with the

27:40police department on uh securing data.

27:43We won't know that until we actually uh

27:46submit the uh request for the body cam

27:49and for the police report. At that

27:52point, um hopefully our legal counsel

27:55will be able to inform us on what we can

27:58and can't do at that point. And so, but

28:02right now, we're just going to go ahead

28:04with what we're supposed to be doing.

28:06>> Okay. So, one of our questions was in

28:09situations like that,

28:11it seems likely that you will need

28:13independent legal counsel. So, it sounds

28:15like you're you're counting on NYCLU to

28:18play that role at least in this

28:19situation.

28:20>> Right. In the interim, we're going to be

28:22heavily dependent upon them. And then uh

28:25as we uh able to secure other legal

28:28counsel then we'll be moving the uh

28:31burden off of them onto our own legal

28:33counsel.

28:35Okay. Well, I want to I want to thank

28:37you again for uh restarting your

28:41investigations and uh making sure that

28:44you're living living up to what the law

28:46requires you to do. So, thanks a lot.

28:48>> Yep. You're welcome. Thank you.

28:50And the one thing uh and I'm sure all

28:54the board members will be attest to is

28:56that our responsibility is to be a

28:59leazison between the citizens of

29:02Syracuse and the police department to

29:04make sure that everything is going the

29:07way that it's supposed to be going. So,

29:10okay.

29:14Oh, one one other thing I'd like to add

29:16to that, Peter, is that um if we do end

29:19up in a situation where we're not being

29:22uh fully supported by the police

29:24department, what we're going to need is

29:27support from the citizens to to back us

29:29up either by writing letters or

29:32requesting foil information from there

29:34so we can get that information. So,

29:37thank you.

29:40>> Hello, my name is uh Tammy Honeywell. I

29:42am a resident of the city of Syracuse,

29:45part of the advocacy group for the CRB,

29:48and I'm also a member of the Syracuse

29:50Democratic Socialist of America. Um, I

29:52want to start by thanking the board

29:54members for restarting investigations.

29:57This is what we've been wanting for a

29:58while. So, I appreciate uh the courage

30:00to stand up to do this and I appreciate

30:02all of those who have remained on the

30:04board. I'd also like to thank the staff

30:06of the CRB for coming to our meeting to

30:09um engage in relationship building. We

30:12are here to support the CRB in any way

30:14that we can. Um, I will be contacting a

30:18few people to sit down and have

30:20conversations because we're also looking

30:22to start a public education campaign on

30:24the CRB to get the public more involved

30:27in what is going on. So, um, feel free

30:30to contact me and I'm willing to sit

30:32down with anybody and discuss how we can

30:34be help of help. So, thank you.

30:36>> Thank you very much. and and those are

30:38the things that we need from the general

30:40population from Syracuse is people

30:43stepping up and saying, "Hey, we're

30:44willing to put forth their time and the

30:46effort to help make sure this board and

30:49um the city of Syracuse remains safe and

30:52secure for everyone." Thank you.

30:58>> Hello, my name is Reginald Bradwell. Um,

31:03I um,

31:06yeah, my name is Reginald Bradwell.

31:09I don't know if I want to say I have a

31:10problem with the CRB or if I think it's

31:12a good thing, but I'll say this. Um,

31:16been to the uh, CRB's meetings before.

31:18Not meetings, but um, what are they

31:19called? Community gatherings.

31:22I did that. And if you Google my name

31:24with the CRB, you see that I didn't see

31:26none of y'all there. None of y'all

31:28there. None of y'all there. And this is

31:30during the Ranatada Rutherford era where

31:32nothing got done and she was over there

31:34with Anthony Herd who got caught doing

31:36XYZ downtown. We all remember that. Um

31:40but I I don't remember seeing none of y

31:41there. And then you say touching base

31:43with the community. Um I went through

31:45the CRB myself went through the CRB, had

31:48a problem with the police, didn't get a

31:49good result out of it. And I'm pretty

31:51sure you heard of my case before, have

31:52you not?

31:53>> Absolutely.

31:54>> All right then. So if the CRB did that

31:57to me and what I'm saying is what is it

32:01really doing for the community? It holds

32:03no power, holds no power, has no

32:05authority over not one police officer.

32:07It can't get a police officer fired.

32:09They can't do nothing. In actuality, it

32:11has no power. It just seems like a

32:14placeholding position to hold federal

32:16funding for whatever reason because they

32:20can't do nothing and then they're not

32:22really allowed to help somebody forward

32:25a case against the city. Like if you

32:27really wanted to sue the city, which I

32:29really don't. I don't want to sue my own

32:30city. I love it here. Um I just think

32:33that

32:35they don't even help you with that. It

32:37just seemed like it's a prolonged system

32:40for no reason. If somebody wanted to

32:42sue, what what authority or what

32:44authorification does the CRB give them?

32:47Nothing. Nothing. They don't give them

32:49no help. There's no, "Oh, yeah, we got

32:52this piece of paper stating that what?

32:54We can't do nothing to the police.

32:56Nothing happens." Like, I don't

32:58understand the position, but nobody

33:00explains it to me. Nobody. Like, they

33:03they have no power. They can't get a cop

33:05fired. And then, how about this? You say

33:08you were at the community meetings this

33:09summer on July 1st, 2026 of this year.

33:15They had a community meeting at Beth's

33:17Branch Library at the corner of Salena

33:20and Synica Turnpike. And I believe it

33:22was Chief of Police Mark Russ and Sharon

33:26Owens, our mayor. And I spoke like I'm

33:29speaking here. And I ended up getting

33:32arrested for no reason. And then the

33:35cops came in there. They didn't have no

33:37body cam on. None whatsoever. But I

33:40still get arrested. And we know part of

33:42policy and procedures that a cop's body

33:44cam is supposed to be on as soon as they

33:46show up. But it wasn't on. And then I

33:48get arrested, dumped downtown for no

33:51reason. Just to turn around and sit in

33:53front of Judge Thomas on what is that

33:55July 15th, I believe it was. I get in

33:58front of Judge Thomas just to get my

34:01charges dismissed. So, it just seems

34:03like at arraignment and then it really

34:05bothers me that this keeps happening and

34:07then you're like, "Yeah, come down and

34:09tell us." But what can you do? You can't

34:11do anything. Nobody's going to get

34:13fired. Nobody got fired before when I

34:15got arrested twice for no reason. Sat in

34:18jail for no reason. All right. And then

34:21I waited for the CRB to do their

34:23investigation, which took how long? You

34:25said you familiar with the case.

34:27How long did it take?

34:29>> I'm not sure.

34:30>> I still haven't got my results.

34:32because I'm not allowed to go into one

34:34place plaza because of the CRB and the

34:36Syracuse Board of Professional

34:38Standards. All right. I'm not allowed in

34:40that building because they won't let me

34:42in. And I would love to file a

34:44complaint. I'm surprised I made it in

34:46here today. So, I'm going to come back

34:48down here tomorrow likely file a notice

34:50of claim because the one thing all of

34:52y'all keep talking about is

34:54transparency.

34:55And I don't see no transparency. See, I

34:57can stand up here and be honest about

34:59what happened between me, the mayor, and

35:00the chief of police, right? I don't have

35:02a problem with standing on it. Actually

35:04got proof to back it up. But the fact

35:06that the matter is nothing's going to

35:08happen.

35:09>> Nothing.

35:10>> There there's multiple ways of of filing

35:12a complaint. Okay? You You don't have to

35:15stop down to the office to file a

35:17complaint.

35:17>> Why can't I?

35:18>> But but let me let me finish.

35:21>> I don't want to do it through the mail.

35:22I don't want to do it through email. I

35:23would love to just go down there and do

35:25it like I'm doing here face to face like

35:27when I come down here tomorrow and f

35:29follow file my notice of claim with

35:30Darian Bailey across the hall just

35:33because I want to see the transparency.

35:34I don't plan on suing my city but I want

35:37to hold people accountable because for

35:39some reason when I come here to get

35:41answers or where I go to community

35:43meetings to get answers everybody plays

35:45that hush puppy BS game. Fine, so be it.

35:48Everybody want to keep their job. Hell.

35:50Well, if I get you in front of a judge

35:52and put you on that stand, by all means,

35:54you best plead the fifth in and play

35:56dumb because I swear that that that's

35:58where I want to take this. Let's let's

36:00see the true transparency because I'm

36:02tired of this. We can't answer.

36:05>> Unfortunately, we only allow five

36:06minutes for president. So,

36:08>> let me let me let me address some if you

36:10don't mind. Reginal, I remember when you

36:12came before when we first started when

36:14you was having problems from before.

36:18You're right about everything you said

36:19and that's just the truth. We don't We

36:21didn't have the power. Um um let me let

36:23me explain. We don't have the power to

36:26get them fired. We don't have the power

36:28to do a lot of things. What we do have

36:30the power is to take your information

36:32and be able to give you information that

36:35you may need. We can't you can't sue

36:37through us cuz if you sue we we can't

36:39take your case anyways based on that.

36:42You have to wait. Listen. Let don't feel

36:44puzzled yet. The

36:45>> same people.

36:45>> Wait right wait. Let me give it out for

36:47you so you can understand cuz I agree

36:49with you wholeheartedly. That's why we

36:51wanted to stay on the board so that we

36:53can try to make these changes through

36:55these couple of years. You've been

36:56through and from from Rainet and you

36:59remember we had a down, we had to build

37:00it back up. So all those things have

37:02taken place. I've seen you complain from

37:04the beginning. I was there at one point

37:07in time when you were here. So I know

37:09what you're talking about. We're trying

37:11to reestablish. They try to shut us down

37:13so we can't even get the little get the

37:15little information that we try to get to

37:17try to help the citizens in every way.

37:20So therefore, we're reestablishing and

37:23you're right, we should be transparent

37:25to all of the city citizens because

37:28you're owed that we're do that also. But

37:31the point is we have to make some

37:33legislative changes in order for certain

37:35things to happen. We have to come

37:36together more if you're here more to

37:38help us. We want to know what the

37:40community want us to Oh, hey, Raj. Hold

37:43on, please. We want to know what the

37:45community, you people out here, what do

37:47you want us to do that you think can

37:50help make it better from the CRB? We'll

37:53work on the legislative changes through

37:55going through c certain protocols and

37:57procedures to get those changes made.

37:59There's people like Peter and all them

38:01who know how to to to get legislators

38:04and we got we got lawyers and

38:05everything. We can get that stuff

38:06changed, but we can't we can only stand

38:09for you in front of them, but you got to

38:12be able to stand and help make the

38:14change, too. So, you have not been

38:16treated fairly. I I can tell you that

38:18cuz I was there.

38:19>> You said you got two job openings.

38:21You're never off.

38:23>> We We're not getting paid for what we

38:24do.

38:25>> Yeah. I asked for the position for the

38:26head of the C office.

38:27>> We're not getting paid for. I asked for

38:29that position and y'all was doing it

38:30back in December and y'all voted upon

38:32that.

38:32>> But we don't call on that baby. You told

38:34me to do what?

38:35>> I told you to go have someone from your

38:38community to do it. Right. But they did

38:40not get you. Not us.

38:41>> Who didn't help me?

38:43>> I I gave you the source to go to. I

38:45can't make the change. It's one of the

38:47people your councils. They have to say

38:49that they want you to fight for their

38:52their um

38:53>> district. You have to go to what the

38:55councils on the council common council.

38:58All of those people are what caused us

39:00to come in here. you have to go put an

39:02application in downtown like everybody

39:04else did

39:05>> and I did

39:06>> and so therefore one of your council

39:08what district are you in the district

39:10that you are in and I'm in that district

39:12so you can't take my position

39:14>> uh not not to interrupt this but I think

39:17we're getting off on the subject matter

39:18but I just want him to so we we need to

39:20get back to to to the meeting and uh

39:24>> you understand though correct

39:26>> we're not pushing you off never pay

39:28attention I don't know more about this

39:29than most and it's It's funny to me.

39:31Y'all keep talking about y'all doing

39:32this for the community, but the

39:34community is never really involved. And

39:36like I said, July 1st. So, I'm going to

39:38be down to One Place Plaza tomorrow.

39:40Hopefully, I don't get the the arm guard

39:42grab me post thing and I'll be back down

39:45here to put on my notice of claim and

39:46then I'll be back down here. What is it?

39:48October 6. October 6. Yeah. I'll let you

39:51know how that goes. Okay.

39:53>> Okay. So, you don't want to know

39:54anything else, right? I'm

39:55>> good.

39:57Okay. Is there anyone else who wants to

39:59speak?

40:01Well, Peter,

40:03>> I'll be real quick. I just want to add

40:04something to this discussion. I

40:06appreciate what you were saying that

40:08there is a lot of frustration in the

40:10community,

40:11>> correct?

40:12>> That the CRB does not have the power to

40:14discipline police officers or to control

40:17what the police do. And there's a

40:19misconception that because of that, the

40:21CRB has no power. The CRB does have

40:24power. And as you said, the CRB can

40:26advocate for changes in training,

40:29supervision, discipline, and and how

40:32officers have evaluated and how they're

40:34supervised. Um,

40:36>> and I think the public needs to know

40:39that, as you just said, you need to hear

40:41from the citizens about what they what

40:43changes they want to see, right? And you

40:45have the responsibility in your

40:47quarterly and annual reports to develop

40:50recommendations based on your experience

40:53investigating.

40:54And it's not written anywhere. But I

40:57think you also have the responsibility

40:59to advocate for those recommendations,

41:01to go to the public safety committee, to

41:04go to the council, to go to city hall,

41:06to go to the chief, wherever it takes to

41:08push for those recommendations that

41:11you've developed through uh looking at

41:14your investigations and what's happening

41:16with people in the community like what

41:17we just heard from. So, I just want to

41:20strongly advocate that the CRB be more

41:22active that in that way once you get a

41:24handle on these cases.

41:26>> Yeah. Well, one one of the things that

41:28that the CRB is doing that that wasn't

41:30done before is that we're letting the

41:32data guide us on where things are go.

41:35That way it it it eliminates any

41:38personal uh preference or anything like

41:40that. The data tell us how many

41:42incidents are happening in this area, uh

41:45how many police officers in that area,

41:48what's the uh reoccurrence per per

41:51officer in those areas. The other thing

41:53is is that we gather the data um that

41:57anyone so if you're if you're complain

42:00if you're a plaintiff and you come to us

42:02and we do the investigation, you can

42:04always foil that information from the

42:06CRB. Now you have all that information

42:09compiled in one place. So if you need

42:11it, you have it and you can use it. So

42:14we're we're there to try to make sure

42:16that we have all the things that the

42:17citizens need without actually violating

42:20or crossing the line. So

42:22>> yeah, I'm going to give you two quick

42:25examples.

42:25>> Okay,

42:26>> when I was chair, we recommend we had

42:28been recommending for seven years that

42:31the use of force policy be revised. It

42:34actually came about as as a result of a

42:36lawsuit, but eventually did get done and

42:38that's huge. The second one was, and I

42:40don't know how this is worked out, but

42:43we were recommending based on problems

42:46we were hearing about, that there be an

42:49alternative to police response when

42:52there seemed to be a mental health issue

42:54involved and that police officers should

42:57have training, but there also should be

42:59other response to that. And I know they

43:01were working with an agency when I left

43:04to begin to make that happen. and I

43:05don't know how that's gone, but those

43:07are things that had something to do at

43:10least with pressure from the CRB making

43:13those recommendations. So, thank you for

43:15taking that seriously.

43:16>> Yeah. And the other thing is is that

43:18when we see an issue that is a personnel

43:21issue, um and because the mayor is the

43:24one who's over the police department, um

43:28we get that information over to her

43:30office and then uh they can address

43:33that. Also, one of the things that we do

43:36is that we have the committee that meets

43:38with the chief of police. So, a lot of

43:41times the things that we see, we're able

43:43to uh relate relay that to the chief.

43:46So, we're we're trying to make sure that

43:48all the avenues are open up that uh we

43:51have open communication with everybody.

43:53So,

43:53>> so the police liaison committee is

43:55operating.

43:56>> Yes. Great. Yes.

43:57>> But since we've been through this

43:59process here, we have not met. So, I'm

44:01just making that very clear. and we

44:03didn't stop it

44:06and we have not invited me then.

44:10>> Well, it may they met. So,

44:13>> okay,

44:14>> I haven't met and I'm on a committee.

44:16[laughter] So,

44:17>> thank thank you for that. One other

44:18thing that came up in our meetings that

44:20I that I got to bug you about open

44:22meetings law. Um the responsibility to

44:25have discussions in in front of the

44:27public is required and secret

44:30conferences unless there is a

44:32justification to go into executive

44:34session which for normal business

44:36there's not. Um that shouldn't be

44:39happening. So we'll keep bugging you

44:41about that. Absolutely. We don't do

44:42that. And that's what we want you to

44:43stay on top of us. But also, Robert uh

44:47um Peter rather, these things that you

44:50guys work to put in place based on the

44:52mental health and based on the use of

44:54force, those things are still in place.

44:56We still you try to utilize and make

44:59sure those things are still subjected to

45:02um challenge, you know, making sure that

45:04that is done. So, we're not we didn't

45:06let it go or nothing. We just

45:08>> we have to keep going back in it.

45:10There's been so many issues with trying

45:12to fix everything that you can't tap

45:15into every issue all at once.

45:17>> I remember believe. Yes, we do. And I

45:20just want to the main point is that

45:23>> people the the word out there is the CRB

45:27has no teeth.

45:28>> You know that.

45:29>> Yeah, it's been there. when he was here.

45:31>> For people to hear that the C CB is

45:35advocating for changes based on what

45:38they see, based on what people tell

45:40them, that's a huge message.

45:42>> People need to hear that.

45:44>> Absolutely.

45:44>> Yeah.

45:44>> Thank you.

45:45>> Thank you. What is one some of the

45:47things if we were to ask today, what are

45:49some of the things that you would like

45:50the CRB to try to direct or help with?

45:54And everyone came up with something.

45:55They can give it to us on a piece of

45:56paper. they can speak it and we can work

45:59towards that if that's going to make our

46:00community a better community plus what

46:03we're trying to work on ourselves. So

46:05get in your minds and your heart and

46:06your head what would make it a little

46:08bit better if we did it for you and we

46:10can when we sit around meet about stuff

46:13in our committees we can put that in

46:15there and address those issues if you

46:17would like that done as a community

46:20>> and we're open for that.

46:21>> Right. Thank you very much. Thank you.

46:23Is there any other uh public comment?

46:30My name is [clears throat] Zarin Thomas.

46:31I'm just a citizen. Um, so you just

46:35asked like what can you guys do? Um, one

46:37thing that I noticed consistently with

46:39SPD is that they send like 8 n 10 police

46:42officers on the scene for one one person

46:45or one situation. That amount of people

46:47showing up in itself I feel is excessive

46:49force. um especially when most people

46:52aren't like

46:55that thrilled for that amount of people

46:56to be there. Um as well, I think they

46:59need a bigger emphasis on their

47:01deescalation technique. I think that SPD

47:04has a tendency to get pushy first rather

47:07than um try to calm the situation down.

47:09Um but that was it.

47:11>> Okay.

47:11>> Okay. Thank you.

47:12>> And those are those are definitely some

47:14of the things that we look at when we're

47:17reviewing the cases. Um, is there is

47:20there overkill on the number of officers

47:22showing up? Um, could that be handled a

47:25different way? And those are some of the

47:26things that we make adjust uh

47:28suggestions for. Donna,

47:31>> good evening. Uh, Donna Moore. I'm a

47:33common counselor and head of the public

47:35safety committee. Um, I just wanted to

47:37thank you guys for sticking with this.

47:40This has been a very frustrating uh few

47:43months for you, for me, for a lot of

47:45people. So, thank you for sticking with

47:47it. Um, and I just want to reiterate the

47:50support you have from myself and from

47:53the common council for you guys to

47:54continue forward. I do want to clear

47:57clarify one thing. We cannot hand down

48:00discipline to police officers. That is a

48:02negotiated contractual

48:05item that we have no power over and we

48:07cannot do it. So, I want to be very

48:09clear with that gentleman that spoke

48:12wanting to know why we can't do that. We

48:13can't do it.

48:14>> Right. Absolutely.

48:15>> We would be violating law if we did

48:16that. So, I want to be very clear about

48:18that, but there are other things we can

48:20do. Um, strengthening relationships with

48:22our police department, um, which you

48:24guys are doing a great job of getting

48:25out in the community and doing events.

48:27That's a great thing. Um, the

48:29investigations going forward is very

48:31important, I think, because people need

48:33to know there's some accountability,

48:35that somebody besides a police

48:36department is looking at their case and

48:38at least saying there's nothing here or

48:41there's something here and then

48:43addressing that. So, I want to thank you

48:44for doing that work and thank you for

48:46your perseverance and I'm here to

48:47support you in whatever way I can. Okay.

48:50>> Thank you.

48:51>> And and I um I think I speak for the the

48:53rest of the board. We're very

48:55appreciative for the council standing

48:57behind us. So, anyone else?

49:02>> Yeah, Kevin River. Um I appreciate all

49:05of you starting up again. Um it's it's

49:07very encouraging and exciting to see and

49:10I it's awesome and I feel like the fact

49:12that there has been p push back shows

49:15that there is teeth to the board. Um and

49:18I think the strength is in that data

49:20collection and I'm encouraged that

49:22you're looking at trends in the data.

49:24I'm wondering with community events, do

49:26you have um like uh demonstrate or um I

49:30can't think of the word but basically

49:32presentations on the data? Uh that would

49:34be something really interesting to to

49:35see. and I feel like that'd be a great

49:37way to to give those trends out to the

49:39community. So, I'd love to see that, but

49:41it's it's exciting that this is

49:42happening. So, thank you for that.

49:44>> Thank you. Well, and one of the things

49:45that we do, we do have it on the

49:47website. Um, we'll have to figure out

49:50how to do like a mini uh data session.

49:54Um, uh, the problem is a lot of people

49:57don't understand data. So, um, but like

50:02I said, we certainly have it on the

50:03website and at any point if anyone has a

50:06question about the data, definitely feel

50:09free to give us a call. I mean, we have

50:11an open door policy that uh we're here

50:15to serve the public and we're here to

50:17make sure that everyone's questions are

50:19being answered. So, any other uh

50:22>> Can I say something to him? um the uh

50:25stuff that's done in the events and

50:27everything, it's a lot of it is geared

50:29at trying to show young people what to

50:32do or what not to do when they're uh

50:34approached by policemen in a way. So, we

50:37give out cards, we give out information

50:39on cards that shows um if you're

50:42approached and are you supposed show

50:44your ID, you're supposed to this that.

50:45So, we have like little cards like that

50:47that also shows young people in

50:49different areas um how to respond to

50:53police safety.

50:55>> And and not only do we reach out for the

50:56young young kids in in in in this

50:59community, we also reach out for those

51:01who are dis who have disability. We

51:04reach out to those who have mental

51:05issues. We reach out to those who uh

51:08have drug addiction. Um, and that's what

51:11our uh boots on the ground on Friday is

51:13all about is reaching out to those

51:15individuals, making sure they understand

51:17their rights as citizens. Uh, and we get

51:20that out to them and we uh hopefully

51:23that make that's going to make a

51:24difference on uh reducing the number of

51:26incidents between the citizens and the

51:28police. So Chris, you getting ready to

51:31say something?

51:34Yeah, just to uh I'm Chris Pier, data

51:36analyst for the CRB. And just to close

51:37out our discussion about um the the

51:40policy impact that the the CRB has had

51:42based on our recommendations, um the use

51:44of force policy that the the Syracuse

51:46Police Department now operates under is

51:48now essentially in line with um

51:52Stanford's recommendations from their

51:54their criminal justice um research

51:56center. Um, if you go through all of the

51:59the places that they recommend that the

52:01the use of force policy touch on, uh,

52:03based on my analysis of the recommended

52:05policy, Syracuse Police Department

52:06fulfills, um, all but one item, and I

52:09can't recall at the top of my head what

52:10that one item is. Um, and then also um,

52:13going back to um, the foil requests, um,

52:17I know that when when I have handled

52:19foil requests, um, I essentially send

52:22over the whole case file. um everything

52:24that we have um we we try to be fully

52:27transparent if citizens request um their

52:29case files from us. Um so I just wanted

52:31to speak on that as my personal

52:32experience handling requests. Thank you.

52:36>> Any other uh

52:45>> come to the mic so they can record it.

52:48Um, I think the data sessions would be a

52:50really good way to get the data as part

52:52of the boots on the ground. And I think

52:54that can really encourage people to want

52:56to um interact. So the website's great,

52:59but it can feel a little more passive,

53:00like go to this website, whereas putting

53:03it out there actively, I think it would

53:05be cool. So I like the data session

53:07idea.

53:08>> Okay. Thank you. Any other Okay, if no

53:12other um

53:16questions from the floor, um we have no

53:18cases to go into uh executive session.

53:21Need to get a motion on the floor to

53:23adjourn the meeting.

53:29>> I need to I need to get a motion on the

53:31floor to adjoin the meeting. Motion.

53:38>> Motion to adjurnn.

53:39>> Motion to adjurnn. Yeah.

53:40>> Okay. There's been a motion on the floor

53:43to adjourn the meeting. Can I get a

53:45second?

53:47It's been moved and second. Um any

53:49discussion?

53:51All in favor?

53:53>> I

53:53>> I those opposed.

53:56Meetings adjourned. Thank you guys for

53:58coming out. Thank you. And remember that

53:59the office is always open for anyone who

54:02wants to come over and ask any

54:03questions.

54:06[clears throat]

54:06>> Abraham, thanks for showing up.

54:14>> Yeah, you sure can.

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