2026-10-13 - Common Council Study Session

01:59Mhm.

03:54>> Mhm.

04:46>> [laughter]

04:54>> Good afternoon. Hello, hello, hello.

04:58Hola, hola. Can you hear me? Oh, okay.

05:02Good afternoon. It is 12:00. We're going

05:04to start our story session.

05:06We can share this one if you want.

05:10All right. So, Counselor Cardwell.

05:13>> Thank you, Madam President. Blessings to

05:14all today. I have item

05:17A

05:18and

05:20it's ready. And also, while I'm here, uh

05:23Madam President, items 10 and 11 are

05:25also ready. Thank you.

05:26>> Okay, thank you.

05:28I'm going to go back to item nine.

05:30That's going to be withdrawn. Yes? Okay.

05:34Uh

05:34uh Counselor Meacham, who's taking?

05:37>> That's me. Thank you. Madam President,

05:39Counselor Meacham has items 12 through

05:4019.

05:42He is going to uh hold 16, 17, and 18

05:46for further information.

05:48And the rest are ready 12 through 15 and

05:5119 are ready.

05:53Oh, and 20, I'm sorry.

05:55>> Thank you. Goes uh Counselor Arambula.

05:58>> Thank you, Madam President. I have items

06:0021 through 23. All are ready.

06:05>> Excellent. Counselor Hudson.

06:08>> Yes, ma'am. I have 24 through 26 and I'm

06:11going to call them ready.

06:13>> Thank you. And then you have also the

06:1627th.

06:16>> Absolutely. And I have 27 and that one

06:19all counselors have signed on to. So,

06:21I'm going to call that one ready as

06:24>> Thank you. Counselor Moore.

06:26>> Thank you, Madam President. I have items

06:2728 through 31 and they are all ready.

06:33>> Okay.

06:34And that will be 32, right? 28 through

06:3632.

06:37>> 28 through 32.

06:38>> Okay. Thank you. Counselor Williams.

06:40Who's taking Counselor Williams?

06:42>> I have those two. Um Counselor Williams

06:43has 33 through 39. Uh 33 will have

06:47executive session after this

06:50uh as well as 34.

06:5335, 36, 37, 38, and 39 are ready.

07:00>> Thank you. Counselor Jones-Blair.

07:02>> Thank you, Madam President. I have items

07:0440 and 41.

07:06Um I believe both items are ready.

07:10>> [clears throat]

07:11>> Thank you. Counselor Montanez.

07:13>> Thank you, President Paniagua. I have 42

07:15through 47. Uh

07:1742 is ready. 43 is ready.

07:20Um Counselor Nava, you're okay with 44

07:23and 45? Or 44 is your 44 is you and then

07:28uh 46 is you. You're okay with both of

07:30those?

07:31Okay.

07:32>> You you bypassed 45.

07:33>> Yeah, 45 Counselor Williams is okay with

07:3545 and then uh 47 will be ready.

07:38>> Okay, 46. We I that.

07:40>> 46 is good. 47 will have executive

07:42session after this.

07:43>> Okay.

07:44>> Helene, you wanted to say something to

07:46the chair.

07:47When I let's go back to

07:5045.

07:59Oh, I get the pleasure of having a

08:01deputy mayor.

08:04>> Noah Garcia, director of zoning.

08:06>> Okay, director of zoning. So, on 45, do

08:10we know specifically that they have

08:12their liquor license?

08:14>> Uh last we spoke with the applicant, the

08:16liquor license was still in the works.

08:18>> Still in the works.

08:19>> Yes.

08:21>> So, we're going to approve this without

08:23them having a liquor license?

08:25>> It's uh the liquor license is

08:26conditional on him getting the location.

08:30So,

08:32I did talk to him. I guess the place

08:34it's the garage that's on Beach Street

08:36across from the American Legion.

08:38>> This

08:39>> It's a Beach

08:40>> It's a

08:40>> Street address, but it's actually on

08:41Dell. Yeah, it's on the rear of the

08:43property.

08:43>> It holds 12 to 14

08:45>> sorry. I'm on the wrong one. 44. 44. Do

08:47they have their liquor license?

08:54>> 648 Burnett, yes. Uh they have a

08:57They've gotten it. Again, conditional on

08:59the zoning approval.

09:02>> Okay.

09:05Uh so,

09:06we can approve of the state approval

09:08liquor license without a

09:11>> Yeah.

09:11>> a definite status?

09:12>> Yeah, so you can start the application

09:14process before you obtain zoning

09:16approval, which is typical. We see it

09:18really often.

09:22>> I know that's the like the horse horse

09:24before the cart cart before the horse,

09:26so whatever.

09:27>> You guys going to start

09:30you know, doing these things with bars.

09:31I think you all should do a little bit

09:33more

09:34have a little bit more conversation

09:35about it because bars don't normally

09:37come in front of us.

09:38>> No,

09:39that's been my whole argument.

09:43What is When did they start coming from?

09:45>> We haven't seen a bar

09:46>> was going to say only.

09:48Oh, I got to hear right, cuz before it

09:50wasn't a topic.

09:51>> So, the 648 Burnett Avenue is not set on

09:54stone, that it's a maybe.

09:56>> The pending from what what you're

09:58saying, right?

09:58>> Is that what you're saying?

10:00>> That's what I heard from the applicant

10:01last I spoke to them. It was about 2

10:03weeks after you guys held it last time.

10:08>> You want to say?

10:09>> I mean, my my understanding of the

10:11process is that in order to apply for a

10:13bar liquor license

10:15>> have an address?

10:16>> Well, but you can do a provisional

10:18address. You just need to make sure that

10:19it's again, the properly zoned and that

10:22you have your um qualifications, you

10:25have you pass the background check and

10:27things like that.

10:28>> It's not provisional, so the liquor

10:30authority won't give you a license

10:31unless you have a location. They don't

10:32just give you a random

10:34>> Right. What I'm saying is that you can

10:35start the process.

10:36>> Yeah, it's That's why it's conditional

10:38on getting the approval of the building

10:40before they give them a license. So, if

10:41we were to say no to the building, then

10:43the license goes back and they do not

10:44have it.

10:45>> Correct.

10:46>> Right.

10:47>> So, this is going to be something that's

10:48coming in front of the council all the

10:49time now? Like with uh because this is

10:52new, okay?

10:53>> When they require special use permits.

10:55>> I'm because the only reason why I'm

10:56asking is because I want to know how to

10:57handle it, you know, um coming because

11:01So, the liquor license had to be up uh

11:03the liquor license when they do apply

11:05>> Apply for liquor license, they file

11:06something with the clerk. They file the

11:08application with the clerk's office as

11:09required.

11:10>> And so, I just want to know what process

11:13what where do y'all want me to clarify

11:16or

11:16>> We asked this during the committee

11:17meeting, and Counselor Hudson, correct

11:19me if I misunderstood, but my

11:20understanding was that

11:23whenever it requires a special use

11:24permit outside of a district where there

11:26would be a bar. So, like Armory Square

11:27bars don't come in front of us, because

11:29those are already in a district that's

11:31approved. So, an MX

11:335 is already approved for a bar, so we

11:34don't get those.

11:35>> Yeah, so those approvals are

11:36administrative. And then in the MX3 and

11:38MX4 zone districts, they require the

11:40special use permit.

11:41>> But based on the zoning of a building

11:43in, let's say, on Valley Drive, if it's

11:46inside of a neighborhood, we that would

11:47need a special use permit, and those

11:49would always come to us now under

11:50rezone.

11:51>> Um a residential area probably wouldn't

11:53have a bar permitted as a use, so it

11:56would be a a separate process. It

11:58wouldn't come before you if they got a

12:00variance or something like that, but

12:01>> Okay. Okay. So, because some of these

12:03are residential areas, like the Burnett

12:05Avenue, people living

12:06Like a

12:07>> That's what I was saying. That's what I

12:08was saying. Like they are the state.

12:09They They look at various things, so

12:12um

12:13so the state is not going to look at the

12:14variance. Oh, we're going to approve it

12:16before the state look at the variance

12:18just to get the address. I'm kind of

12:20confused.

12:20>> No, no, no. The state will sign off when

12:22we sign off. I know what you're saying.

12:23Like they've done everything else.

12:24>> But at the same time,

12:26um

12:27if it's within a 500-ft

12:29within the 500-ft rule

12:31>> Let's say that is an exception.

12:32>> Yeah, let's say if this this is the

12:33case, you know, um we're approving

12:36something that's within the 500-ft rule

12:38that the state have not

12:39>> No, no, no. No, the state would have

12:41looked at that already. They would have

12:42caught it already. Yeah.

12:44Yeah, so again, this is the they've done

12:46everything else. Like you can't have a

12:47felon operating one of these, for

12:48instance, or things like that. And as

12:50long as you pass that and come here and

12:53we say this is okay for the special use

12:56permit, then you get your liquor

12:57license.

12:58>> Okay, so all that legal

12:59>> is done before.

13:03>> But what we should probably with all the

13:05new changes in zones, we we need to have

13:07a meeting so we can all be clear on how

13:09all this works, but thanks.

13:11>> It was a very helpful meeting last week.

13:12I mean, I felt that what the

13:14clarification on the process for rezone

13:16was helpful for me to know.

13:17>> Mhm.

13:19>> Yeah, we'll set something up in the

13:20future.

13:21>> We'll we'll be reaching out. Okay.

13:22>> Okay.

13:23>> Thank you.

13:23>> Thank you.

13:25>> And right, so motion to go on

13:27Are we all set?

13:28>> Yes.

13:29>> Okay, motion to go on executive session.

13:31>> What's wrong?

13:31>> We have another item. We have a waiver

13:33item.

13:33>> What what what?

13:34>> 48

13:34>> We have a waiver item.

13:36>> Oh, I'm sorry.

13:38>> All right.

13:39>> I'm looking in the wrong book.

13:40>> It's yeah.

13:41>> Okay, counselor Jones-Roundsaville.

13:43>> Yeah, I have um I'll be introducing item

13:4548. Um so, hopefully

13:48>> Yeah, we're full.

13:49>> Did

13:50We People signed up last week.

13:52>> Yeah, yeah, yeah, we're all we're all

13:53full.

13:53100%.

13:54>> And before we go to executive session,

13:56um Deputy Mayor, could you please come?

13:59Thank you.

14:05So, I know

14:07with negotiation, I know we got we

14:10we took care of one part of the unions

14:12in negotiation.

14:13How are we looking so far? What's up

14:15next?

14:16>> Okay, we have uh CSEA this Friday, and

14:19then I believe the date with Local 400

14:21for the next mediation session

14:23I think is the 20th.

14:26So, that's the next date that we would

14:27meet with a mediator too.

14:29>> CSEA and then Local What Local

14:30>> Local 400. That's the

14:33And 1773, we're also in mediation. I

14:35don't have that date off the top of my

14:36head, but I can get it for you.

14:38>> Okay. And we haven't This was This is

14:40the first time we've met since

14:43you met with them.

14:44>> We have had one mediation session with

14:461773.

14:48>> Are we still here?

14:49>> So, we are

14:51I think if we're able to reach an

14:52agreement with Local 400, we'll be a

14:54little bit closer with 1773.

14:59>> Um I know because it's unions, con-

15:02contractual, some information you're not

15:04privy to tell us, but

15:05>> Sure.

15:06>> I think, Joe, if we could possibly have

15:09[clears throat]

15:09an executive executive session to ask

15:12specific information

15:15about the uh

15:17Yes.

15:19Yeah, no, it doesn't have to do Well, I

15:21mean

15:23Do we want to do that today?

15:24>> Can we add it on today? And cuz it's

15:26just a couple questions and

15:28Yeah, we got time. We It's

15:31It's about the union. It's early.

15:34You have time.

15:34>> I mean, I I have time. I might not have

15:37all the answers right today, but I can

15:38get back to you.

15:39>> Right. So, at least we can get some

15:41dialogue.

15:41>> Absolutely.

15:42>> So, it's a

15:45Yes, okay.

15:47Okay.

15:48>> So, one more time, motion to go on

15:50executive session to get legal advice on

15:52item 47, 30, and 31. And we're adding on

15:56to the agenda and

15:59Okay.

16:00>> Thank you.

16:02>> All in favor.

16:03>> Aye.

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