2026-09-10 - Board of Aldermen

00:55I know what you did.

00:58I'm going to call a regular meeting of

01:00the board of alderman to order on

01:01Thursday, September 10th, 2026 at 7:30

01:04p.m. in the aldermanic chamber, which

01:06has been duly noticed in two places,

01:08including the city's website in

01:10accordance with the requirements of RSA

01:1291A. The prayer will be offered this

01:14evening by city clerk Dan Healey, and

01:16Alderman

01:18Roan will lead us in the pledge to the

01:19flag.

01:21Almighty God, we have the high honor and

01:23the serious duty to manage the affairs

01:26of our beloved city. Fill us, oh God,

01:29with a spirit of unity and

01:30understanding, which enables us to face

01:33our multiple problems with a serene

01:35mind, with justice and charity for all,

01:37so that any and all decisions made by us

01:40will always be for the betterment and

01:42greater happiness of all our fellow

01:45citizens. So help us God. Amen.

01:49I pledge algiance to the flag of the

01:52United States of America and to the

01:55republic for which it stands. One nation

01:58under God, indivisible, with liberty and

02:01justice for all.

02:09>> Let's start the meeting by taking a roll

02:11call attendance, please.

02:12>> Alderman Clemens,

02:13>> here.

02:15>> Alderman Cle,

02:16>> I am here. I am at home because I am

02:19ill. There is no one in the room with

02:21me.

02:23>> Alderman Ravan

02:24>> here.

02:26>> Aldwoman Smith.

02:30>> Alderman Tibo

02:31>> here.

02:32>> Alderman O'Brien.

02:35>> Alderman Greg

02:36>> here.

02:38>> Alderman Dow

02:39>> present.

02:41>> Alderman Sullivan

02:42>> here.

02:43>> Alderman Senate

02:44>> here.

02:46Alderman Johnson

02:47>> present.

02:49>> Alderwoman Kelly,

02:51>> I am here. I'm attending remotely due to

02:53childcare issues. I can hear everyone

02:56and no one is in the room with me.

02:59>> Alderman Morgan

03:00>> here.

03:03>> Alderman Lopez

03:04>> here.

03:05>> Alman Wilshshire

03:07>> here.

03:08>> 13 present, two absent.

03:10>> Thank you. Also joining us this evening

03:12is Mayor Jim Donas and Corporation

03:14Council Steve Bolton. Mayor, did you

03:16wish to address the board this evening?

03:17>> Yes. Thanks, Madam President. Um,

03:19>> first I want to thank Smith is here

03:22also. Sorry.

03:25>> Took me a moment to log in. Sorry.

03:28>> Thank you.

03:29>> Um, thank you. First, I wanted to thank

03:32Dan, city clerk Dan Healey and his staff

03:34for running another smooth election on

03:38primary daily Tuesday.

03:40Um

03:42he's always done a great job and this

03:44was just another example. Uh we did use

03:47the pole pads for the first time the the

03:49the um uh iPads or the uh for the first

03:53time for checkin.

03:56>> Yes.

03:56>> Second time.

03:58>> And um in wards one two and nine. And

04:02that seemed to go very well. So, as soon

04:04as we and that smooths out the check-in

04:07process for the for the the voters

04:10coming in uh and enables the city clerk

04:14staff to see uh you know in real time

04:18exactly what's happening with the number

04:20of people who voted and uh been checked

04:23in. So, as soon as we can get more of

04:26those uh pads, we will uh be be um

04:30distributing them to the other six wards

04:32where I'm sure they'll be just as

04:34successful. But if you ask um uh the

04:38city clerk what time he got up, which I

04:40just did, he got up at 3:00 a.m. at 2:00

04:42a.m. and returned home at 3:00 a.m. the

04:44next day. So, it's a pretty long day.

04:47And uh but I think we also should thank

04:49all the election day workers who uh

04:52sacrifice, you know, a lot of hours for

04:55very little pay. Uh they they of course

04:58are essential from moderators down to

05:00everyone who works in the polls.

05:03I did want to mention uh uh this item on

05:06the agenda, Madame President, and that

05:07is the multi-year contract uh being

05:10requested by the police department. Uh

05:12that [clears throat] is the first uh

05:14item under communications requiring

05:16final approval. Um this is a technology

05:21which I believe has been very successful

05:23for the police department and I think

05:25they would tell you that uh the body

05:27cameras which I believe we've had for

05:29about 5 years uh help the and improve

05:34smooth out the interactions between uh

05:37the police officer and the public uh for

05:40the protection of the police officer.

05:42Everything is documented. So no one can

05:44make false accusations about what a

05:46police officer said or did uh because

05:49these interactions are recorded uh and

05:53uh and retained so that they can uh be

05:58pulled up if necessary. And in terms of

06:01the public, um, at least what the police

06:05officers have told me is that it helps

06:07to calm the situation down because

06:10anyone who might be tempted to cause a

06:13ruckus uh in an interaction with the

06:16police um, you know, needs knows that

06:19they're on camera and therefore are

06:22deterred uh from

06:25creating a a problem that uh they might

06:28otherwise be inclined to do.

06:30Also, um, but we have been with a

06:33company the they've worked pretty well,

06:35but if you talk to the the the

06:38department and chief work is here, so he

06:40may intend to speak to this, but the

06:43current system we have has had some

06:45problems uh with retained recordings

06:48with equipment not working. So after a

06:51trial period of I think 3 months uh with

06:54the Axon system uh that is the premier

06:58company in the in the area. Um the

07:04uh police department is recommending

07:05that we go with them. Uh and um I'm sure

07:10their recommendation is solid in that

07:12respect. There would be an additional

07:14technology added and that is a drone

07:17technology which is being used down in

07:19Boston with the axon with the axon

07:22company. Uh there would be three drones

07:25available to respond to crime scenes to

07:28assist which can arrive almost

07:31immediately before you know a cruiser

07:34could get there can assist uh assessing

07:37the scene maybe follow a suspect all

07:39kinds of things that could be done with

07:40that. So, um that would be an added uh

07:44portion of the technology which I

07:46believe will help make a safe city which

07:48we already have um even safer.

07:53Finally, Madame President, I wanted to

07:54mention that we

07:57um received the bill from the county uh

08:00for the county tax which is now

08:0318,264,000.

08:05That's a check we have to send to the

08:07county. I mean, I don't know that a lot

08:10of people understand how the county

08:12works because it's kind of an obscure

08:15uh unit of government, but they are paid

08:18for by the cities and towns in the

08:20county and each city and town uh pays

08:24their proportionate share based upon the

08:26assessed value of the community. Uh our

08:29bill went from something in the 16

08:32millions up to 18 up to 18 million, a

08:3510% increase. And this I think focuses

08:40us on these the increased costs which we

08:43are really the skyrocketing costs that

08:46we are facing with respect to many of

08:48the things that city government is uh

08:52required to pay for. Now obviously we

08:55don't like paying a 10% increase in the

08:58county tax

08:59but they are probably hit with the same

09:01kind of things we are which is these

09:03rapidly escalating costs.

09:06um

09:07fuel, electricity, you know, if we look

09:10at the items that have insurance, if we

09:12look at the items that have uh gone up

09:14the most um in the current city budget

09:17for the current fiscal year, um you

09:20know, medical benefits, the cost of the

09:23employer share of health care went up,

09:25you know, $3.5 million, special ed up a

09:28million8, school transportation up a

09:31million7,

09:32out of district tuition for the for

09:35special ed students a million dollars

09:38and our non-medical insurance up a

09:41million and a half. Um these costs are

09:44skyrocketing across the board and um

09:47just look at the school department and

09:49their budget. They reduced positions by

09:5256 positions this year in an effort to

09:54save costs. uh and the budget still went

10:00up 6%. Because of these these special

10:04items that I've mentioned, these these

10:06basically fixed costs that are going up

10:08way way far, way beyond the rate of

10:10inflation.

10:12And um so I mean we here in the city are

10:15facing the same kind of uh cost

10:18escalations and uh that the families

10:22here in Nashville and across the country

10:23are facing with these rising costs.

10:25We're having trouble affording it just

10:27like everyone else. Uh the result here

10:30of course is the tax rate is going up

10:32far more than uh we want. Uh because we

10:36we as a unit here as a group were faced

10:39with a choice of either raising taxes or

10:41cutting services basically. And it

10:43seemed that our residents don't want

10:46less police protection, less fire, you

10:49know, you know, crummy schools or

10:51whatever. we can't really uh reduce the

10:54quality of services uh in

10:57we need would need to make a significant

11:00reduction in the quality of services to

11:02have a impact on the tax rate. So I just

11:05wanted to focus on that and you know the

11:08county the county bill uh and the cost

11:11that we are facing and I I think if

11:14people will look at their own budgets

11:16their own

11:18uh you know

11:20profit and their own uh checkbook uh

11:23they will and see how much costs are

11:25going up and bills are going up they

11:27will understand I believe what the city

11:29is also facing right along with them and

11:33um that's the conclusion of my remarks.

11:36Madam President,

11:38>> thank you, mayor. Response to the

11:39remarks by the mayor, Alderman Tibo.

11:41>> Thank you. Yeah, I want I also want to

11:43thank everybody that worked at the polls

11:44and uh uh our clerk uh Dan Healey. Um I

11:49got to go to all nine wards on election

11:51day. And I actually in my home ward got

11:54to see uh uh Clerk Healey in in his uh

11:57role making sure someone could vote that

11:59didn't have the right credentials and

12:00making sure they could vote. So uh that

12:02was great. Um, I also got to see

12:04Alderman O'Brien and Alderman Sullivan.

12:05They both voted. I know that for sure

12:07because that's what they were doing. Um,

12:09I get to see Alderman Sullivan say to

12:11me, "Oh, you got the John Sullivan

12:12haircut." I'm like, "Yeah,

12:14>> call it a big boy haircut." [laughter]

12:16>> Um, but but thank I mean those pole

12:18workers like like Clerk Healey, they

12:20work all all day and uh they do a

12:23tremendous amount of work and there was

12:24there's really no issues going going

12:26through the city and uh I really

12:28appreciate uh what they all do. So,

12:30thank you. Anyone else? Seeing no one

12:36Clemens.

12:37>> Thank you, Madam President. I'm going to

12:39move to take out of order the joint

12:41convention with Woodlon and Pinewood

12:43Cemeteries for the purpose of nominating

12:46two trustees by roll call.

12:48>> You've heard the motion. Would the clerk

12:50call the role, please?

12:51>> Alderman Clemens,

12:52>> yes.

12:53>> Alderman Cle,

12:54>> yes.

12:56>> Alderman Rean,

12:57>> yes. Aldwoman Smith.

13:05>> Alderman Tibo.

13:06>> Yes.

13:08>> Alderman Greg.

13:09>> Yes.

13:11>> Alderman Dow.

13:12>> Yes.

13:14>> Alderman Sullivan.

13:15>> Yes.

13:17>> Alderman Senate.

13:18>> Yes.

13:20>> Alderman Johnson.

13:21>> Yes.

13:23>> Aldwoman Kelly.

13:24>> Yes.

13:26>> Alderman Morgan.

13:27>> Yes.

13:29Alderman Lopez.

13:30>> Yes.

13:32>> Alderwoman Smith.

13:34>> Yes.

13:37>> Aldman Wilshshire.

13:38>> Yes. Yes.

13:39>> 14 yays. Zero nays.

13:41>> And that motion carries.

13:43>> Madam President, can I have a PI for a

13:44minute? Um, just so we're in compliance.

13:47Alderman Smith came in late, so she

13:48wasn't able to say if she's in a room

13:50and all that stuff that we're supposed

13:51to say. I just want to make sure we're

13:52compliant.

13:53>> Thank you.

13:54>> Thanks, Aldwoman Smith.

14:03Yes. So, u let me see if we get the

14:05right camera on here. Yeah. So, um yeah,

14:06unfortunately I was unable to be there.

14:09I have a elder parent that's ill and was

14:11trans trying to transport things from

14:13work. So, and I'm um alone here in the

14:15kitchen.

14:17>> And you can hear us just fine.

14:19>> And I can hear you. Yes.

14:20>> Thank you very much.

14:22>> Thank you.

14:29So, we have a joint convention with

14:30Woodlon and Pine Pinewood Cemeteries to

14:33nominate two trustees, Jamie Viverus and

14:36Jerry Rapuchi.

14:45Mr. Clerk,

14:47>> as for nominations.

14:48>> Oh, I'm sorry. I call for nominations at

14:51this time.

14:58Good evening. My name is Niles Jensen. I

15:01am chairman of Woodlon and Pinewood

15:03Cemeteries and I live at Fort Catalina

15:06Lane in Nshawa.

15:08This evening I'm here to nominate two

15:10trustees

15:12and

15:15we have uh both of both of them and I

15:20have Jamie Vos

15:23and Jerry Rapuchcci as nominees for

15:25positions of trustee and thank you very

15:28much for your time.

15:36Are there any further nominations?

15:40>> Seeing none, would the clerk call the

15:42role, please?

15:43>> Alderman Clemens.

15:45Uh Jamie Viveros

15:48and Jerry Rapui.

15:50>> Alderman Clay.

15:52>> Jamie Viveres and Jerry Rapuchi.

15:57>> Alderman Rean.

15:58>> Jamie Viveres and Jerry Rapuchi.

16:02Aldwoman Smith.

16:05>> Yes.

16:11>> Yes. You need to say the names of the

16:13people that you want to nominate.

16:16>> Um, no. None at this time. Sorry.

16:23>> Okay.

16:23>> Oh, wait a minute. The names that that

16:25we just have Jamie Rivera and Jerry

16:27Rapole. So, yes. Thank you.

16:31>> Alderman to

16:32>> Jamie Viveros and Jerry Rapuchi.

16:34>> Alderman Greg

16:36>> Jamie Viveros and Jerry Rapuchi.

16:39>> Alderman Dow

16:40>> Jamie Viveros and Jerry Rapuchcci.

16:43>> Alderman Sullivan.

16:44>> Jamie Viveros and Jerry Rapuchi.

16:48>> Alderman Senate.

16:49>> Jamie Viveros and Jerry Rapuchi.

16:52>> Alderman Johnson.

16:53>> Jamie Viveros and Jerry Ruchi.

16:57Alderwoman Kelly

16:59>> Vos and Rapui.

17:01>> Alderman Morgan.

17:02>> Jamie Viveros and Jerry Rapuchi.

17:06>> Alderman Lopez.

17:07>> Jamie Viveros and Jerry Rapuchi.

17:10>> Alderman Wilshshire.

17:12>> A Jamie Viveros and Alderman I mean

17:15Jerry Rapuchi.

17:17>> Trustee Aonovich. Was it to be

17:22>> trustee Columbbe

17:24>> Jamie

17:28Jerry

17:30>> Mayor Donis

17:32Jamie Viveras and Jerry Ruchi

17:37>> Trustee Farwell

17:40>> Jamie Viveres and Jeremy Ruchi

17:47>> Trustee Jensen

17:49Jamie Riveros and

17:53>> Trustee Mclofflin,

17:55>> Jared,

18:00>> Trustee Palondon,

18:01>> Jerry Mucci, and Jamie River.

18:07>> Trustee Whitney,

18:09>> Jamie River, and Jerry.

18:1421

18:16for Jamie Viveros and Gary Rapuchcci.

18:20>> Thank you. There is a clarification. I

18:23think uh Jamie Vero's term will expire

18:25in 2029. Is that right, Donna?

18:28>> That is correct.

18:29>> In 2029.

18:33That motion carries.

18:36Are Mr. Fiveros and Mr. Rafucci here for

18:38to be sworn in this evening?

18:47You [clears throat] go up front to see.

18:50Step right up.

19:01Raise your right hands, please. Do you

19:03each swear that you will faithfully and

19:06impartially discharge and perform all of

19:10the duties incumbent upon you as

19:13trustees on the board of trustees of the

19:16wood lawn and pinewood cemeteries

19:18according to the best of your abilities

19:20and agreeably to the rules and

19:22regulations of the city charter and the

19:25constitution laws of the state of New

19:27Hampshire. So help you God.

19:30>> Congratulations. Thank you.

19:33>> [applause]

19:40>> Recognition period?

19:42>> None.

19:42>> To close [clears throat] the convention.

19:44>> Reading minutes of previous meetings.

19:46>> None.

19:48>> Communications requiring only procedural

19:50[clears throat] actions and written

19:51reports from liaison. Communication has

19:54been received from Sam Dery, AICP

19:56planning manager, regarding referral

19:59from board of alderman on ordinance

20:010-26-022

20:03establishing the video display sign

20:05overlay district. Communication has been

20:08received from Jim Donas, mayor,

20:11regarding report on surplus and overlay

20:13fiscal year 2027.

20:15Communication has been received from Tim

20:17Cummings, director of administrative

20:19services, and Don Enright, CFO,

20:22regarding follow following up clarifying

20:25comments on R-26-053,

20:28and communication has been received from

20:30Alderman at large, Alicia Greg,

20:33regarding homeless services gap

20:34analysis.

20:37>> There being no objection, I'll accept

20:38the communications and place them on

20:40file. period for public comment relative

20:42to items expected to be acted upon this

20:44evening.

20:46We will start with Jane Goodman.

20:49So, you have three and a half minutes if

20:52you give your name and and address for

20:53the record, please.

20:54>> Um, sure. Do you want my work address? I

20:56don't want to.

20:57>> Sorry. Town and city.

20:58>> Town or city.

20:59>> Okay. So, I'm Jane Goodman. I'm the

21:02executive director of the Nasha Soup

21:03Kitchen and Shelter. I reside in Hollis,

21:06but I work in Nshawa. How's that?

21:08>> Does that work? Okay. So, I'm here to

21:11talk to you a little bit about the gap

21:12analysis that is on the table this

21:15evening, I believe. Um, I serve, as I

21:19mentioned, in the executive director of

21:21the Nashville Soup Kitchen and Shelter.

21:23I also serve on the continuum of care

21:25and I sit on the continuum of care

21:27executive committee. Um, I think well a

21:30gap analysis of homelessness services in

21:34NSHA could be a very useful exercise

21:37particularly if it's focused, timely,

21:40and ultimately leads to action. Those of

21:43us working within the continuum of care

21:44already know there are gaps in our

21:46system. The value of a formal analysis

21:50would be to help us better define and

21:51prioritize those gaps. An important part

21:54of that work should be developing a

21:56realistic inventory of the resources and

21:59services that already exist in our

22:01community, including their actual

22:03capacity to meet the need. We have a

22:06good understanding of the resources

22:08available. But simply identifying that a

22:10service or housing resource exists does

22:13not necessarily mean that it's

22:15accessible. If there is a one or

22:17two-year waiting list, significant

22:20eligibility restrictions, or simply not

22:22enough capacity, then we will still have

22:24a gap that needs to be addressed.

22:26From there, the analysis can help us ask

22:29the right questions. Where is the

22:31greatest need? Is it housing for older

22:34adults and people living on fixed

22:36incomes, people with disabilities, young

22:38adults, single men or single women,

22:41families? Are there services that are

22:44missing altogether or existing services

22:46that simply do not have enough capacity?

22:49There are many different populations

22:51experiencing homelessness and their

22:53needs are not all the same. A thoughtful

22:56gap analysis can give the city and

22:58community organizations better

23:00information to determine where limited

23:02resources will have the greatest impact.

23:05But I would offer two cautions. First,

23:08the process should not take so long that

23:11the study itself becomes the outcome. We

23:14already know that one of the most

23:15significant underlying gaps in NSHA is

23:18the availability of housing that is

23:20affordable and accessible to people with

23:22very low incomes, including seniors and

23:25others living on fixed incomes. We

23:27should continue working on solutions

23:29while this analysis is underway.

23:33Secondly, I hope the analysis looks not

23:35only at what services are needed, but at

23:38who is best positioned to provide them.

23:41When a gap is identified, the first

23:43question should not necessarily be what

23:45new program should the city create. It

23:48should also be, is there an organization

23:50in our community with the expertise,

23:52infrastructure, and experience to do

23:55this work if we invest in its capacity?

23:58The city has an important role to play

24:00in setting priorities, bringing partners

24:02together, identifying resources, and

24:05investing in solutions. Our nonprofit

24:08>> Seconds,

24:09>> our nonprofit and community partners

24:10bring decades of experience in

24:12delivering specialized services directly

24:14to people experiencing homelessness. If

24:17a gap analysis helps us develop a

24:19realistic picture of what is available,

24:21identify where capacity falls short,

24:24prioritize the most urgent needs, and

24:26direct resources toward organizations

24:28best equipped to address them. I think

24:30it could be a very worthwhile effort.

24:335 seconds to spare.

24:35>> Thank you, [laughter]

24:39Matt Gay.

24:50Hello, my name is Matthew Gotta. So, I

24:53just want to speak in support of the GAP

24:55study. I think it's a very good idea.

24:57Myself and some other DSA members had a

24:59great conversation with Alderman Greg

25:01about it, and we agree that we need all

25:03hands on deck for this. Um, on top of

25:07that, we at the DSA have also been going

25:09around and talking to some of the

25:10unhoused people um, around the city and

25:14I have some of their answers here

25:15because one thing to say that I know

25:17what's best, but I really wanted to hear

25:18it from the source of what people are

25:20feeling right now. And what I'm getting

25:23from the people on the street right now

25:25is that they're scared. They're pushed

25:27out to the margins of our city. And

25:31if something happens to them, whether it

25:33be an OD, um, domestic violence or

25:37anything like that, they're so far away

25:39from services and there's nobody there

25:41to, uh, help them because they've been

25:43pushed out to the margins because of the

25:45the camping ban and no suitable

25:46alternative that

25:49it's become a very untenable situation

25:51and we have people dying and we have

25:53people that we aren't able to treat

25:54properly because they've been pushed out

25:56to the margins. So, I support this

25:58because I think we need to find ways to

26:00address those gaps and we need to find

26:02ways to get people the help that they

26:04need and I don't want more people to OD

26:08out in the woods and I don't want more

26:09people to, you know, encounter things

26:12that we can't help them with because

26:13they're so far away from services.

26:16[clears throat] Um, and in my survey

26:18here, um, I also asked, um, what

26:22potential solutions could you see the

26:24city doing? And the main things were we

26:27need more affordable housing. But on top

26:29of that, they realize that if the city

26:31is strapped for cash, if the city feels

26:33like, you know, there's not enough

26:35funding for it or something like that,

26:37they would be happy with a situation

26:39where something like a parking lot is

26:41bought, they're able to set up there.

26:44It's heavily regulated, heavily

26:46monitored, and wouldn't cost the city a

26:48whole lot. and they'd be able to have

26:51accesses to services and be able to be

26:53in the city and it'd be watched over so

26:55we don't have a repeat of mine's falls.

26:57[snorts] So those were some of the

26:59things people were saying about that and

27:02again this is coming from their mouth.

27:04While I agree with a lot of it, this is

27:07what's coming from their mouth here. Um,

27:08and as far as the money situation, um, I

27:12I am disheartened to always hear from

27:14this board that we have problems with

27:16money in tackling this problem because

27:19in doing my research and looking at what

27:21the city is spending money on, we

27:23increased the police budget by over a

27:25million dollars last year um, when they

27:27didn't even ask for the million more

27:30dollars that we gave them. And it was

27:31also disheartening to hear our mayor

27:33talking about potentially giving drones

27:34to the police and potentially giving

27:37them more ways to crack down on people

27:39when the problem is not crime cuz we

27:43know that poverty begets crime. It's not

27:46the other way around. So instead of

27:47solving that problem of poverty, instead

27:50of solving that problem of why people

27:51are in the situation where they feel

27:53like they have to commit crime, it seems

27:54like the solution so far has been to get

27:56more police officers on this. So once

27:59again, I'm in support of the GAP study.

28:02I think we need all hands on deck. We

28:03need to figure out what gaps we have,

28:04but I would also encourage us to think

28:06bigger about how we solve the problem of

28:08housing insecurity and poverty in this

28:11city. Thank you.

28:12>> Thank you, Peter Li.

28:21>> Good evening. Uh my name is Peter Lai. I

28:23am uh resident of Andover, Mass and I am

28:26the president of Spectacle Live, which

28:27is the company that operates the uh

28:29National Center for the Arts. Uh and I'm

28:31here to speak in favor of the video

28:33displays, signs overlay district, and

28:35like to give you uh a few things of from

28:38our perspective as to how that uh is a

28:40benefit not only to the center uh but I

28:43believe to others in the downtown area.

28:45Um, first I'd like to thank you for the

28:46opportunity uh that we have as a my

28:49company and I and and my team uh to

28:51manage the city's performing arts

28:53center. It's been a great three and a

28:54half years so far and really appreciate

28:56the privilege of doing that. I think

28:58this ordinance is is well thought out.

29:00Uh I think it allows us to do um some

29:04things that we're not quite capable of

29:05doing at this point in terms of

29:07messaging and and maximizing the overall

29:09economic impact uh of the center. Um

29:13there uh we spend a lot of time and

29:16energy and dollars publicizing all of

29:18the events that happen at the Center for

29:20the Arts. Uh and that's done in a whole

29:22host of of ways. Uh one of the ways that

29:26uh this would allow us to enhance is is

29:28reaching folks downtown by uh further

29:30enabling the video board that's

29:31presently on the Center for the Arts. Um

29:34it also will enable us to uh assist

29:37those events that aren't the higher

29:39profile national tours that are out

29:40there. We do do a lot of events that are

29:42with the community and nonprofits and so

29:44forth. Those events typically have very

29:46restricted uh publicity budgets. They

29:49really struggle to be able to fully uh

29:52use the the digital board that's uh

29:54that's on the NCA to to uh to more

29:57effectively message would help those

29:59organizations as well. Um it would also

30:02help us to cross-pollinate uh the

30:04messaging that we're doing. people that

30:06are coming downtown for dinner that

30:07maybe aren't going to a show that night.

30:08They're they're they're seeing it. Um

30:11it's also something that we see as a

30:13standard in a lot of other venues that

30:15we uh that we compete against that have

30:18uh that type of an asset. Um we get a

30:20lot of requests from artists to be able

30:22to believe it or not some of these

30:23artists have big egos. They want their

30:25name on the side of the building when

30:26they pull up on their uh to perform that

30:29night. So that's another piece of the

30:30puzzle. Um, and as Mayor John just uh uh

30:34mentioned earlier, the rising costs and

30:35so forth, that's something that we at

30:37the center deal with, of course, with

30:38inflation and and all the insurance and

30:40everything else, uh, as do uh, many of

30:43our other businesses right down in the

30:45downtown neighborhood. So, allowing this

30:47to be yet another piece uh, of the

30:50puzzle for publicity and and bringing

30:52people into downtown NSHA uh, and and

30:55uh, having as many folks show up to

30:56events as possible uh, is is a huge

30:59benefit. So, I uh appreciate your

31:01consideration of the support of that.

31:03Thank you.

31:03>> Thank you,

31:05Rich Flannon.

31:11>> Good evening. Rich Landon from Pelum,

31:13New Hampshire. Um just my involvement

31:16with the center. Um I do chair the U

31:19National Center for the Arts Board of

31:20Trustees, which is a board of the cities

31:22as well as u the president of National

31:24Community of the Arts, which is the

31:25nonprofit that supports the center. um

31:28along with Pete Lai and the architect at

31:30the time, Ned Collier from ICON, the

31:32three of us went before the zoning board

31:34back in October of 22 and to seek

31:37variances both for the sign on the front

31:40of the building as well as there's some

31:42display small display signs in the

31:43windows if you're looking down from West

31:45Pearl Street. Um during that meeting,

31:48the West Pearl Street signs were given

31:50the variance to do what they currently

31:52do. um the variance for the front of the

31:54billing to do anything more than just

31:56three simple lines. Um it doesn't really

31:59give much of a message as Pete alluded

32:01to um was denied. Um and what I would

32:04like to do, this is from the minutes of

32:06that meeting. It's only like two

32:07sentences so I'll be quick. Um at the

32:10end after the vote was taken u then it

32:12says Mr. Lionel said that the board gets

32:14many requests for EMC's with graphics

32:16and most all of them put videos and

32:18graphics on them when while they're not

32:20allowed. He said that perhaps people can

32:22approach the board of alderman to change

32:24the ordinance with the respect of the

32:25capabilities of these signs as the board

32:27has to look at the spirit and the intent

32:29of the ordinance with these signs. So

32:32it's taken a long time since October of

32:3422. Um it opened in April of 23. Um it

32:38just there's been a lot of things we've

32:39worked closely with both uh MAD

32:41community development and we've worked

32:43with legal department to figure out what

32:45works best whether it's just for the

32:47center or does it have to be a little

32:49bit broader as what's before you folks

32:51tonight. Um so the ordinance is worded

32:55in that way after again a lot of work

32:57probably over a year's worth of work to

32:59try to see what's the best not just for

33:01the center but for the downtown and for

33:03Nashville and that's what's before you

33:04and I hope you all support it. Thank

33:06you.

33:07>> Thank you. Bob Keading.

33:17My name is Bob Keading from Nasher and

33:21I'm speaking uh in support of the

33:24homeless services gap analysis

33:26committee. Uh I like the previous

33:29speakers feel it's a it's a valuable

33:32idea. I was impressed by the uh both the

33:35uh the purpose the the scope uh and the

33:39process and the time frame to do it

33:41within uh 90 days. I think it offers an

33:44opportunity at various times. I think

33:46we've been at logger jammed about uh

33:50which way to go with our resources and I

33:53think this could have the potential to

33:55uh move us along uh and to be able to uh

33:59provide the services uh uh you know

34:02earlier. So I think that that uh that

34:05that alone is a very important thing. So

34:08I I'd hope that the uh um men will bring

34:12this forth and that we'll be able to

34:15move uh you know more rapidly um while

34:18at the same time not disrupting anything

34:20that we're doing at at the current uh

34:23time. So thank you.

34:25>> Thank you Eve Arnold.

34:37Hello, my name is Eve uh sorry, Eve

34:39Arnold. I am a resident of Ward 4 in

34:42Nshawa.

34:44First off, I want to start by saying

34:47I'm not just crav all the time. I

34:48believe in credit where credit is due. I

34:51was very heartened to see on the agenda

34:53that you all are going to be considering

34:56standing with Marramac in their

34:57opposition to ICE facilities to protect

35:00our neighbors around us. I think that's

35:02wonderful. I'm also very pleased to see

35:05that at a special meeting I was unable

35:06to attend that there has been some

35:08progress to move forward on funding a

35:11resource center which is in section 9B

35:14getting a final vote tonight. So, thank

35:16you for moving on those things.

35:19The last time that I was here to talk to

35:20you,

35:22I put forward that you probably don't

35:25want me to do your job and I don't want

35:27you to do mine, but I think that we can

35:29learn from each other. So I just wanted

35:32to bring you a couple of things to

35:33consider um from the engineering world

35:36as you move forward.

35:38The first one is that just like things

35:41go wrong out in everyday life, things go

35:44wrong in engineering all the time.

35:47There's a process that we follow once we

35:49identify that there's an issue called a

35:51corrective action. And along with that

35:53corrective action, the absolute first

35:56thing that you want to do is what's

35:58called containment. And what that

36:00basically is is stopping the bleeding.

36:03We have an issue. We can't get to the

36:06root of it. We can't fix it right away

36:08without a lot of in-depth analysis,

36:12but we can, you know, put a bandage on

36:14it and get us to the point where we're

36:16hobbling along

36:18until we can move forward.

36:21There is actual harm being done to our

36:23community as a result of the camping

36:25ban.

36:27And a great containment action would be

36:29while you move forward on these other

36:31steps to go ahead and repeal that ban so

36:34that we aren't prosecuting people for

36:37being in poverty. Everybody sleeps. Not

36:40everybody can afford a place to do so.

36:44The other thing that I wanted to point

36:45out to you all is that

36:48we're always looking for ways to improve

36:50just like I know that you are always

36:51looking for ways to improve your

36:53community.

36:54There's a very common continuous

36:56improvement framework that we use that's

36:58called deak and that's just an acronym

37:01for define measure analyze

37:05implement control

37:08and so when I look at the agenda and I

37:11see that you are moving forward with a

37:14proof of concept for

37:17the resource center.

37:20I'm glad that there's motion. However,

37:22we have skipped all the way to

37:24implementation without getting all of

37:27the necessary data to make datadriven

37:29decisions.

37:30>> Recording stopped.

37:32>> Okay. [laughter]

37:34Um, so I noticed that there has been an

37:38indefinite tableabling of the GAP study.

37:41The gap study is exactly the type of

37:43thing that we would be doing where we go

37:45out and we try and find information on

37:50what are the actual needs, what are the

37:52parameters, how are we going to scope

37:54this,

37:56listening to the community, listening to

37:58experts because none of us, well maybe

38:01one in the room are experts on the

38:04homelessness crisis in our community.

38:07So, I'm just asking that as you move

38:10forward, please do so thoughtfully and

38:13in a datadriven way. Thank you.

38:15>> Thank you,

38:17>> Latana Mousi.

38:30Good evening. My name is Latana Muci. I

38:33live on Al Street in Nshawa. It's nice

38:35to be here in a different capacity.

38:37Definitely a lot less intimidating. Um,

38:41I just wanted to come here and speak to

38:46the gap analysis and the resource center

38:49proof of concept. Um, I had worked for

38:52the city of NSHA beginning my career in

38:542024 and the discussions regarding the

38:57resource center were happening at that

39:00time. We are nearly three years in and

39:03we still do not have a designated per

39:05permanent location for the resource

39:07center to occur occur. Former President

39:10Barack Obama once stated, "The best way

39:12to not feel hopeless is to get up and do

39:14something." I share my work experiences

39:17and advocacy efforts with my children as

39:20we too have experienced housing

39:21instability. My sons are here tonight.

39:24Um, and one of my sons felt compelled to

39:27speak um, as to his feelings on

39:29homelessness in our community and how we

39:31should be responding. So, he'll be

39:33speaking shortly after I do. The

39:35resource center will not solve

39:37homelessness. It is a step forward,

39:39something actionable to help provide

39:41hope to those experiencing homelessness.

39:44As service providers, it is easy to

39:45start seeing the glasses half empty in a

39:48political environment that is actively

39:50stripping away rights, protections, and

39:52funding for the most vulnerable. We need

39:54hope, too. A gap analysis will look at

39:58different opportunities for the

40:00community to respond. I feel like in

40:03previous meetings, a lot of folks are

40:05looking at a resource center or a

40:08shelter or single room occupancy units.

40:11I think we should change or to and.

40:13There's multiple things that need to be

40:15done to address homelessness in our

40:16community. I had the opportunity to tour

40:19Manchester's engagement center with the

40:21governor's council on housing stability

40:23this week. Feedback from the council was

40:25overwhelmingly positive and questions

40:28were raised as to why other communities

40:29are not implementing similar supports.

40:32Manchester is utilizing one space to

40:34provide everything that Director Bagley

40:36has been asking for since 2024. and

40:39Manchester plans to eventually include

40:41single room occupancy units on site. It

40:44is interesting that Manchester's

40:45approach to homelessness isn't leading

40:47the conversations late lately, as I

40:50recall, they did back in the fall last

40:52year when we decided to pass an

40:55ordinance prohibiting camping on public

40:57property. One of the driving forces for

40:59a lot of conversations that this board

41:01had or previous members of the board was

41:04that we needed to take action and follow

41:06Manchester suit as they were addressing

41:09homelessness correctly.

41:12Why are we not looking at what they're

41:14doing now?

41:17We are approaching one year since

41:18Nasha's camping ban was passed. I

41:20remember sitting in meetings until after

41:22midnight. Many of you were here with me.

41:24Many of you voted in favor of the ban,

41:26but insisted that you were committed to

41:28supporting a resource center moving

41:29forward. We still do not have a

41:31location, though I'm excited to hear

41:33about the proof of concept that Director

41:34Bagley will be presenting.

41:36>> 30 seconds.

41:37>> Alderman Kelly Kelly's proposal to

41:39repeal camping was rejected. Alderman

41:41Greg's proposal for the gap analysis has

41:43been highly criticized.

41:46I want to sit here and just say as the

41:48executive director of a nonprofit

41:50organization, Family Promise is

41:52dedicated to working with the city in

41:55ending homelessness in our community.

41:56Whether it be through our prevention

41:58program, master leasing to bring folks

42:00to permanent housing solutions, or

42:02leveraging existing relationships with

42:04landlords, we are dedicated to

42:06supporting these efforts. Thank you.

42:09>> Thank you,

42:12Armelo Ramirez.

42:35Hello, my name is Carlo Ramirez. I live

42:38in Nashville and I just turned 8 years

42:40old. I feel like we should make a

42:42resource center so that people who are

42:43homeless can get help. The reason that I

42:45approve this message is so that

42:48everybody has a home and a place to

42:50live. The resource center is the first

42:52step to a place where people can be

42:55comfortable inside. People should not be

43:00stuck outside during the rain, snow or

43:03heat waves. A resource center with

43:05apartments will keep people safe from

43:08any dangers danger outside. Thank you

43:11for your time. Sincerely, Camila

43:13McMirez.

43:15>> Thank you.

43:21>> Mike Appleberg.

43:31So, I had no idea I was going to have to

43:33follow that.

43:35>> I I [laughter] do want to congratulate

43:37Latana Mucoli on wearing her Over the

43:39Edge t-shirt tonight. I think that's

43:41fantastic. I'm here tonight as the

43:43director of United Way of Greater Nasha

43:45to speak in support of the resource

43:46center specifically. Um,

43:50we at United Way have been actively

43:52involved in supporting the city's

43:53efforts at the warming station over the

43:56past couple of years by mobilizing

43:58volunteers to support the efforts of the

44:00public health department. Those

44:02volunteers have worked hand in hand with

44:04city staff to make clients feel

44:08comfortable and welcome and respected.

44:12It is our intention to support the

44:14efforts of the resource center in

44:16precisely the same way. Director Baggley

44:19and I have already had conversations

44:20about the volunteer needs that it might

44:22take to support the professional

44:24staffing of a resource center and we are

44:27prepared to fully mobilize whatever

44:29needs might be there for that purpose.

44:32Um, so rest assured that if there's a

44:35question of the staffing needs for the

44:37resource center, we will mobilize

44:40volunteers to support that work. Every

44:42single day at United Way, we have people

44:45from the community walk into our office,

44:47and I mean every day, asking the most

44:51basic of questions. Where do I find food

44:54in our community? Where can I apply for

44:58Medicaid? How do I get a ride somewhere?

45:02Where do I go for medical supports?

45:05Where do I go for any variety of

45:07different types of resources? The idea

45:09of a resource center is more than just

45:12about homelessness. It's about giving

45:14people the ability to become self-

45:17sustaining and self-sufficient over

45:18time. And after all, I believe at the

45:21end of the day, that's what we're really

45:22after in uplifting our community. So, I

45:25do encourage you to support the concept

45:28of a resource center.

45:31As was previously stated, this is not

45:34going to be the one and only solution to

45:37homelessness. It will, however, provide

45:39a pathway for many people to become

45:42self-sufficient, self- sustaining. Um,

45:44and many other solutions will also be

45:46required to fully um solve our problems

45:49of housing and security in our

45:50community. But this is an important tool

45:52which I believe we should act upon.

45:53Thank you very much for your support.

45:57>> John Blanchett.

46:04>> Hello. John Blanchett, Ward 4. Um I

46:07think what the gentleman just just said

46:09was great. I think that would be

46:10fantastic if there was a place where

46:12people who are homeless could um go and

46:15find answers to to their problems. Um so

46:18that that sounds great. Um I also

46:20support the gap study. Um, that also

46:23sounds excellent. Um, yeah, I think it's

46:26time we started to find answers for

46:27these problems. Uh, when I first heard

46:30about the camping ban, I thought, well,

46:32this is not an answer at all. This is

46:34just taking somebody who uh their life

46:38is not going so well and you're just

46:40making things worse. Um, so I yeah, I

46:43don't think the the camping van is an

46:45answer to anyone's problems. Um,

46:49you know, there there are all kinds of

46:51reasons why somebody becomes

46:53uh why somebody doesn't doesn't have a

46:55place to sleep. Um, and I for myself, I

46:59I spent uh two months like that. Um, but

47:02you know, you you get over it. You get

47:04past it.

47:06Um,

47:08yeah. Also, uh, my my friend Eve spoke

47:10briefly about ICE prisons. Um, so there

47:13are two main private prison companies

47:15that um staff these things. Uh, there's

47:19it's Core Civic and Geog Group. Um, so

47:24there there's only one bank that

47:26finances them and that's Citizens Bank

47:29and that's the bank of the town. Um, so

47:32I think we should have a conversation at

47:33some point of finding a different bank

47:35because Citizens Bank is not serving our

47:37needs by uh having clients that are

47:40known for uh forced labor and um torture

47:44and rape as these as these companies are

47:47actually known for. Um thank you.

47:51>> That concludes our public first public

47:53comment period.

47:56>> Communications requiring final approval.

47:59Communication has been received from

48:01Mayor Jim Donas regarding million-doll

48:04contract award police department bodywn

48:06cameras.

48:07>> Ultimate Cle.

48:09>> Thank you, madam. Sorry, Madam Chair. I

48:12motion to accept, place on file, and

48:14approve the purchase of Axon OSP 10

48:18premium hardware software bundle for

48:21bodywn fleet interview room cameras and

48:24digital e- evidence platforms with the

48:27Axon Enterprise Incorporated in the

48:30sorry uh in the

48:33sorry okay in the amount not to exceed

48:375,699,99983

48:413 that is $900,000

48:44per per year for yes year one $1,199.99

48:52900 I'm sorry I I apologize

48:55$1,199,999.96 [clears throat]

49:01subsequent years the Axon MSPA has been

49:05replaced with the current contract with

49:07a national PD source well piggyback

49:09agreement funding will through

49:11department 150 police department fund

49:15capital improvements/81

49:19capital outlay improvements by roll call

49:21please.

49:23>> You've heard the motion discussion.

49:25Alder member Van.

49:26>> Uh I notice in the invoices we were

49:29given that there is a line item that

49:31recurs that says Axon [clears throat]

49:34records draft AI assisted report

49:37writing. And I'd like to ask the chief

49:41if there's a if there are procedures in

49:43place to make sure that folks just don't

49:47do the AI and then not look at it.

49:53>> Sir, I overaw this.

49:55>> Can you come up to the microphone,

49:56please?

49:57>> Thank you very much.

49:58>> Thank you.

50:02>> So Brian Jeffrey oversaw this project.

50:04>> Thank you. uh with the AI assisted

50:06report writing it's their tools called

50:08draft one it's employed by agencies

50:10throughout the country and essentially

50:12what you have is it's not the AI that

50:15you would use like chat GPT which is

50:18like fantastical it's based on CAD

50:21integration with body camera footage and

50:24what the camera hears not what the

50:26camera sees

50:27>> right

50:27>> and it creates a draft template for the

50:29officer to work off of and anytime an

50:32officer would use a AI report. Uh the

50:36title of the report or the header of the

50:37report will indicate that it'll indicate

50:40that the officer reviewed the AI portion

50:43and made all the necessary edits.

50:49>> Is that sufficient answer your question?

50:52>> Thank you,

50:54>> Alderman.

50:56>> Uh yeah, thank you madam president. Um

50:58uh we absolutely need these. Um I think

51:01earlier it said that the drones would be

51:03there to to go after people or go after

51:05potential criminals that um I I think

51:09the technology alone with the the

51:10cameras and the drones are there to

51:12protect not just the c the cops but also

51:14there to protect the criminals.

51:16Criminals have rights too. So this uh

51:19will help them if if they think the

51:20police are doing something or if the

51:21police think the uh the person that

51:24they're they're arresting or chasing or

51:26talking to is also so I think that the

51:28technology is good. I think it protects

51:29everyone. It It could obviously maybe

51:31protect the victim as well of of what's

51:34going on after the police get there. So,

51:36I think it's good. I mean, we have the

51:37cameras now. They're used all over the

51:39country. Uh I think it's helpful and I

51:41think it's an expense that um we should

51:44be covering.

51:46>> Alderman Senate.

51:47>> Uh thank you, Madam President. I I had a

51:49question through you to the um to any of

51:51the members of the uh National Police

51:52who are here. uh looking through the um

51:55the hardware and the software bundles.

51:57Um and I bring this up just because I I

51:59know it's a a topic of interest

52:02throughout the community lately. I do

52:03see that there are um packages in here

52:07for um it looks like at least nine uh

52:10polemounted uh solar powered cameras. Uh

52:13there's also software packages for

52:15ALPRS. Is this something that residents

52:18of Nashville can expect to see uh

52:20deployed throughout the community?

52:28So, the concept with the ALPRS in the

52:31cruisers is so these aren't like the

52:34flock cameras that are uh constantly in

52:38the news throughout the country. So, in

52:40New Hampshire, we're allowed to use ALPR

52:42with a limited retention period. So,

52:45cruisers driving down the street, ALPR

52:47is active. It will scan license plates

52:49within the view of the camera. It will

52:52trigger a query through the mobile data

52:54terminal with the spot system at the

52:56state. And if uh you run my plate and my

53:00plates clean, no hit is going to be

53:01generated. If you run my plate and I'm a

53:03wanted person, suspeded license, stolen

53:05vehicle, uh a hit will be triggered on

53:08the officer's mobile data terminal. They

53:11will then confirm that hit through

53:12dispatch and then initiate a motor

53:14vehicle stop if appropriate. That data

53:17gets immediately purged after three

53:19minutes. So unlike some other systems

53:22that are deployed throughout the

53:23country, there isn't a searchable

53:25database. So license plates that are

53:27captured through ALPR aren't cataloged

53:30and then able to be searched for days,

53:34weeks, months after the fact. As far as

53:36the cameras go, uh the concept behind

53:38those is for them to be an investigative

53:40tool. We use cameras currently in the

53:42city. They just don't have ALPR

53:44technology, so they require uh humans to

53:47sit there and watch them. So with that

53:50technology, say we are looking for a

53:53subject involved in a homicide and we

53:55have a license plate for their vehicle,

53:57we can enter that into the system, we

53:59can put that in an area that's maybe in

54:01the vicinity of his residence and the

54:04camera will give us an alert when that

54:06car proceeds in the area. Every other

54:09car in the area, the the camera will

54:11read the plate, but nothing will

54:12trigger. There's nothing that's retained

54:14and there's nothing that's searchable.

54:16>> Thank you. Anyone

54:19else? Alderman Lopez.

54:22>> Um, I just want to comment on a couple

54:23of things that I've heard. Um, I've kind

54:26of heard from the community a little bit

54:27about, you know, oh, we're investing in

54:28body cams and doing all that. And it was

54:31commented earlier tonight, um, that the

54:34it helps people, you know, deescalate

54:36from a crisis because they know they're

54:38on camera. I would also point out that

54:40for the public, it is also reassuring to

54:42know that the police are recording what

54:43they see. Um, it's usually the first

54:45thing that people who are involved and

54:47might have unclear recollections of an

54:49event ask for because when you're in

54:51crisis, you are pumped full of

54:53adrenaline. You don't remember

54:53everything that happened. You know, your

54:56recollection might vary. Um, so it is a

54:59useful tool both for the police and then

55:01also for uh citizens. Um, to the points

55:04that were just made about, you know,

55:05vehicle recognition and scanning, I

55:07typically hear either with respect to

55:09the police that they're profiling and

55:11typ casting, you're looking for trouble,

55:13or they're not doing anything and

55:14they're not not active. You have an

55:16active device which is scanning and

55:18saying, "Oh, there's one right there.

55:20There's something you should look at.

55:21This is associated with this crime."

55:22They would be doing that instead of

55:24either of the other things that people

55:25dislike. Um, so I will support both of

55:28those. And finally, I just want to point

55:30out that the drones um we already have

55:33at least two very advanced drones and

55:36they've been instrumentable instrumental

55:38most

55:39multiple times this year alone in

55:41finding missing persons or people who

55:43are um runaways. So they aren't just

55:46used for I mean certainly they're used

55:48for investigating crime, but they would

55:50probably be the first look to for some a

55:52child is missing in mine falls. So there

55:54are other uses for these things and

55:56there's a lot of different roles the

55:57police perform.

56:00>> Anyone else?

56:03>> So you've heard the motion. Seeing no

56:06further discussion, would the clerk

56:08please call the role?

56:10>> Alderman Clemens?

56:11>> Yes.

56:12>> Alderman Cle?

56:13>> Yes.

56:15>> Alderman Rean,

56:16>> yes.

56:18>> Aldwoman Smith,

56:20>> yes.

56:22Alderman Tibo,

56:23>> yes.

56:24>> Alderman Greg,

56:25>> yes.

56:26>> Alderman Dow,

56:28>> yes.

56:28>> Alderman Sullivan,

56:30>> yes.

56:31>> Alderman Senate,

56:33>> yes.

56:34>> Alderman Johnson,

56:36>> yes.

56:37>> Alderwoman Kelly,

56:39>> yes.

56:41>> Alderman Morgan,

56:42>> yes.

56:43>> Alderman Lopez,

56:44>> yes.

56:46>> Alman Wilshshire,

56:47>> yes.

56:47>> 14 yay, zero nays. That motion carries.

56:51>> Communication has been received from

56:53Mayor Jim Donas regarding multi-year

56:56contract award [clears throat] special

56:57event permitting software.

57:00>> Alderman Sullivan. Madame President, I'd

57:02like to make a motion to accept place on

57:04file and approve a three-year contract

57:06for the purchase of professional

57:08licensed software for special event

57:11planning with event approvals

57:12incorporated in the amount not to exceed

57:15$117,000,

57:17$39,000 annually. Funding will be

57:21through department 120 technology

57:23maintenance fund general fund 54

57:26property services by roll call.

57:29>> You've heard the motion. Is there

57:30discussion on that motion?

57:34>> Um, I can't see who that is.

57:36>> Alman Clay. Alderman Clay.

57:39Uh, thank you, Madam President. I just

57:40kind of wanted to add um for the public

57:43that's listening um when they came

57:45forward and discussed this particular

57:47software, I'm strongly in favor of it

57:49because what it does is it helps to um

57:52and and I think someone like um um uh

57:55the the great alderman from Ward Core uh

57:58who does a lot of functions and so on,

58:00it helps to streamline it. You go in,

58:03you request it, it automatically sends

58:04the messages much like it does it does

58:07now, but there's a way of tracking who

58:09has already done the approvals, who has

58:11um looked at this. So you it's easier to

58:14track. It's easier to so that last

58:16minute we're not trying to run around

58:18and um take care of things. As a person

58:20who has also done an event, I really am

58:23am pleased to see this um this software

58:26put forward because it is our our city

58:29staff. There's a lot of people that have

58:31to approve every single event that

58:33happens in the city. Thank you.

58:36>> Further discussion.

58:39>> Seeing none, will the clerk call the

58:40role, please?

58:42>> Alderman Clemens,

58:43>> yes.

58:44>> Alderman Clay,

58:46>> yes.

58:47>> Alderman Rean,

58:48>> yes.

58:49>> Alderwoman Smith,

58:51>> yes.

58:53>> Alderman,

58:54>> yes.

58:55>> Alderman Greg,

58:56>> yes.

58:58Alderman Dow,

58:59>> yes.

59:00>> Alderman Sullivan,

59:01>> yes.

59:02>> Alderman Senate,

59:03>> yes.

59:04>> Alderman Johnson,

59:05>> no.

59:08>> Aldwoman Kelly,

59:09>> yes.

59:11>> Alderman Morgan,

59:12>> yes.

59:14>> Alderman Lopez,

59:16>> yes.

59:17>> Alderman Wilshshire,

59:18>> yes.

59:19>> 13 yays, one nay.

59:21>> That motion carries.

59:23Communication has been received from

59:25Mayor Jim Donas regarding

59:26[clears throat] multi-year contract

59:28award landfill gas telemetry monitoring

59:31project portal.

59:33>> Alderman Greg.

59:34>> Thank you, Madam President. I'd like to

59:36um make a motion to accept, place on

59:38file, and approve a contract with

59:40Sandborn Head and Associates for fiscal

59:43year 27 through fiscal year 29 landfill

59:46gas telemetry monitoring and support in

59:49the amount not to exceed $87,000

59:52$87,750.

59:54Funding will be through department 168

59:57solid waste fund solid waste fund 53

1:00:01professional and technical services. By

1:00:03roll call, please. You've heard the

1:00:05motion. Is there discussion on that

1:00:06motion?

1:00:09>> Seeing none, would the clerk call the

1:00:11role?

1:00:12>> Alderman Clemens,

1:00:13>> yes.

1:00:14>> Alderman Clay,

1:00:16>> yes.

1:00:17>> Alderman Rean,

1:00:19>> yes.

1:00:20>> Aldwoman Smith,

1:00:23>> yes.

1:00:24>> Alderman,

1:00:26>> yes.

1:00:27>> Alderman Greg,

1:00:28>> yes.

1:00:30>> Alderman Dow,

1:00:31>> yes. Alderman Sullivan,

1:00:33>> yes.

1:00:34>> Alderman Senate,

1:00:35>> yes.

1:00:37>> Alderman Johnson,

1:00:38>> yes.

1:00:39[clears throat]

1:00:40>> Alderwoman Kelly,

1:00:41>> yes.

1:00:43>> Alderman Morgan,

1:00:44>> yes.

1:00:46>> Alderman Lopez,

1:00:47>> yes.

1:00:48>> Alman Wilshshire,

1:00:49>> yes.

1:00:50>> 14 naysay, zero nays.

1:00:52>> That motion carries.

1:00:54Communication has been received from

1:00:56Mayor Jim Donress regarding multi-year

1:00:58contract award collection system flow

1:01:01monitoring.

1:01:03>> Alman Sullivan.

1:01:04>> Madame President, I'd like to make a

1:01:06motion to accept, place on file, and

1:01:07approve amendment number one with ADS

1:01:10Environmental Services LLC

1:01:13for the flow monitoring of the

1:01:16collection system in the amount not to

1:01:17exceed $46,500.

1:01:21That's $28,700

1:01:23in fiscal year 27, $8,900

1:01:27fiscal year 28, and

1:01:30uh oh, fiscical year 28 and 29 per year.

1:01:34Funding will be through department 169,

1:01:36wastewater fund, wastewater fund 53,

1:01:39professional and technical services by

1:01:41roll call.

1:01:43>> You've heard the motion. Is there

1:01:44discussion on that motion?

1:01:48>> Seeing none, would the clerk please call

1:01:50the role?

1:01:51Alderman Clemens,

1:01:52>> yes.

1:01:53>> Alderman Cle,

1:01:54>> yes.

1:01:56>> Alderman Rean,

1:01:57>> yes.

1:01:59>> Alderwoman Smith,

1:02:01>> yes.

1:02:02>> Alderman Thibo,

1:02:03>> yes.

1:02:04>> Alderman Greg,

1:02:06>> yes.

1:02:06>> Alderman Dow,

1:02:08>> yes.

1:02:09>> Alderman Selvin,

1:02:10>> yes.

1:02:11>> Alderman Senate,

1:02:12>> yes.

1:02:13>> Alderman Johnson,

1:02:14>> yes.

1:02:16>> Alderwoman Kelly,

1:02:17>> yes.

1:02:19Alderman Morgan,

1:02:20>> yes.

1:02:21>> Alderman Lopez,

1:02:22>> yes.

1:02:23>> Alman Wilshshire,

1:02:24>> yes.

1:02:25>> 14 yay, zero nays.

1:02:27>> And that motion carries.

1:02:28>> Communication has been received from

1:02:30Bobby D. Baggley, director, regarding

1:02:33approval of license agreement for

1:02:35resource center proof of concept.

1:02:37>> Alderman Clemens.

1:02:39>> Thank you, Madam President. I move to

1:02:41approve a license agreement with Harbor

1:02:43for the purpose of implementing a proof

1:02:45of concept for resource center by roll

1:02:47call. You've heard the motion. Is there

1:02:49discussion on that motion? Alderman

1:02:51Tibo.

1:02:52>> Thank you, Madam President. Yeah, I I

1:02:53think this is a a great uh step in the

1:02:57right direction. So, I know some of you

1:02:58earlier said that there was people that

1:03:00said we're and or some people are and

1:03:03or. I am definitely on the side of and

1:03:05and and um I think you know when we put

1:03:08the camping ban my and a few others said

1:03:12specifically we need the next step. The

1:03:15next step is the resource center because

1:03:16that's what uh director Bagley is

1:03:18telling us. Um I didn't listen to my

1:03:21gut. I listened to other people and I

1:03:23did not vote for the resource center the

1:03:24last time and if I would have we would

1:03:26be uh on the on that way while be doing

1:03:29this proof of concept at the same time

1:03:31which would have been fantastic. I am

1:03:33glad that director Bagley has thought

1:03:34outside the box while looking for a

1:03:36different resource center plot of land

1:03:38um and put this in place and I am 100%

1:03:40for it.

1:03:43>> Thank you. Alderman Kelly. Alderwoman

1:03:45Kelly.

1:03:50>> Thank you. I need to unmute myself

1:03:51before I speak. Um I am unable to vote

1:03:55on this due to a work conflict.

1:03:59>> Okay.

1:04:01Further discussion. Alderman Lopez.

1:04:02>> Um I just want to express my support for

1:04:04this as well. Um I would kick myself if

1:04:06I didn't just sort of float the idea

1:04:08that the Peggy Gilmore Center used to be

1:04:10also located at 45 High Street. So if we

1:04:12were looking for transitional housing

1:04:14locations, then it's already been done

1:04:15there. But I am very pleased that

1:04:18director Baggley has pushed this forward

1:04:19that Harbor is willing to host and

1:04:22navigate. They have a good uh track

1:04:24record of being able to connect people

1:04:26to resources of this manner. And as

1:04:29their leadership in the continuum shows,

1:04:31they're a hub for the community. So if

1:04:32we want all these organizations to be

1:04:34involved, we want to make this an

1:04:35effective resource center where partners

1:04:37are coming literally to the table and

1:04:39presenting the resources that people

1:04:41need. Harbor Care is a great place for

1:04:42it to be.

1:04:45>> Further discussion?

1:04:47Seeing none, will the clerk call the

1:04:48role, please?

1:04:49>> Alderman Clemens,

1:04:50>> yes.

1:04:51>> Alderman Cle,

1:04:53>> yes.

1:04:54>> Alderman Rean,

1:04:55>> yes.

1:04:56>> Aldwoman Smith,

1:04:58>> yes.

1:05:00>> Alderman,

1:05:01>> yes.

1:05:02>> Alderman Greg,

1:05:03>> yes.

1:05:04>> Alderman Dow,

1:05:06>> yes.

1:05:07>> Alderman Sullivan,

1:05:08>> yes. Alderman Senate,

1:05:10>> yes.

1:05:11>> Alderman Johnson,

1:05:13>> yes.

1:05:14>> Aldwoman Kelly,

1:05:16>> abstension.

1:05:19>> Alderman Morgan, [clears throat]

1:05:21>> yes.

1:05:22>> Alderman Lopez,

1:05:24>> yes.

1:05:25>> Alman Wilshshire,

1:05:26>> yes.

1:05:27>> 13 yays in one abstension. Zero nays,

1:05:30one abstension.

1:05:32>> That motion carries.

1:05:34>> Petitions.

1:05:36Petition for street acceptance Juliana

1:05:38Avenue.

1:05:39>> There being no objection, I'll accept

1:05:41the communic accept the petition for

1:05:43street acceptance. Refer it to the

1:05:44committee on infrastructure. Wow. And

1:05:47schedule a public hearing for Wednesday,

1:05:49October 14th, 2026 in the almatic

1:05:52chamber at 7 p.m. Nominations,

1:05:54appointments, and elections.

1:05:56>> Arts Commission Charles Eman's reappoint

1:05:59term to expire July 30th, 2029. Eight

1:06:03Strawberry Bank Road, unit number four,

1:06:05Nashville, New Hampshire 03062.

1:06:08Business and Industrial Development

1:06:10Authority, Carl Andred. Reappoint term

1:06:12to expire September 13th, 2028. 12

1:06:16Mountain Laurel's Drive, Nashville, New

1:06:18Hampshire, 03062.

1:06:21Electric Aggregation Committee, Frank

1:06:23Te's reappoint term to expire August

1:06:2631st, 2028, 93 conquered Street,

1:06:29Nashville, New Hampshire 03060.

1:06:32There being no objection, I'll accept

1:06:34the appointments by the mayor as read

1:06:35and refer them to the personnel

1:06:37administrative affairs committee.

1:06:38Reports of committee.

1:06:40>> None.

1:06:40>> Confirmation of mayor's appointments.

1:06:42>> None.

1:06:43>> Unfinished business resolutions.

1:06:45>> Second reading of R-26-053

1:06:49amending the special revenue fund for

1:06:51road and highway expenditures by

1:06:53increasing the annual funding amount for

1:06:55motor vehicle permit fees from $1

1:06:58million to $2 million.

1:07:00>> Alman Dow.

1:07:01>> Yeah. I'd like to make a motion for

1:07:02final passage of R 26053 by roll call.

1:07:06I' like to speak to it briefly.

1:07:07>> All doubt. [clears throat]

1:07:09>> This action is not taken every year. It

1:07:11says I think it's 2015 the last time we

1:07:13did that. We're anticipating the

1:07:16revenues to cover this in the FY27

1:07:18budget. And this money goes to have the

1:07:22special uh highway expenditures covered

1:07:24in the special revenue fund so that we

1:07:26can pay the debt service.

1:07:32Further discussion.

1:07:34Alman Sullivan.

1:07:35>> Thank you, Madam President. I was

1:07:37watching the uh meeting, the budget

1:07:39meeting where this was discussed and uh

1:07:42there was an open question. I did see

1:07:44that CFO Enight was in the room and I

1:07:47would like to ask her a question through

1:07:49you to her, please.

1:07:52>> Sure.

1:07:52>> Thank you.

1:07:53>> I don't think she's here. I think

1:07:54>> she just

1:07:56she was here. I think she stepped out.

1:07:58>> She walked out.

1:07:59She knew I was going to. [laughter]

1:08:01>> That's it. That's it. Run away.

1:08:10>> Okay,

1:08:11>> it's fine.

1:08:12>> Okay, thank you.

1:08:13>> Yep.

1:08:14>> Here she comes.

1:08:14>> There she comes.

1:08:15>> If you ask the question, we'll try to

1:08:17get it answered.

1:08:17>> Oh, there she is.

1:08:18>> Yeah.

1:08:20>> CFO Enright.

1:08:25>> Thank you, CFO Enright. Uh, I was

1:08:27watching the meeting earlier and there

1:08:28was open a question about the last 3

1:08:30years of motor vehicle registration

1:08:32revenue. Wasn't sure I didn't see any

1:08:35communication to a followup. I

1:08:37understand you were on vacation. I don't

1:08:39know if you had those numbers available

1:08:42tonight.

1:08:43>> Um,

1:08:45Don Enright, CFO, let me understand the

1:08:48question. The last three years of motor

1:08:52vehicle revenue, I do not have that with

1:08:54me tonight. I can um look it up and

1:08:57probably get you that information while

1:08:58we're here.

1:08:59>> Thank you very much.

1:09:00>> You're welcome.

1:09:02>> Further discussion.

1:09:05>> Seeing none, would the clerk call the

1:09:07role, please?

1:09:08>> Alderman Clemens,

1:09:09>> yes.

1:09:10>> Alderman Cle,

1:09:12>> yes.

1:09:13>> Alderman Raan,

1:09:15>> yes.

1:09:16>> Aldwoman Smith,

1:09:18>> yes.

1:09:19>> Alderman,

1:09:20>> yes.

1:09:22>> Aldwin Greg,

1:09:23>> yes. Alderman Dow,

1:09:25>> yes.

1:09:26>> Alderman Sullivan,

1:09:28>> yes.

1:09:29>> Alderman Senate,

1:09:30>> yes.

1:09:31>> Alderman Johnson,

1:09:32>> yes.

1:09:34>> Aldwoman Kelly,

1:09:35>> yes.

1:09:36>> Alderman Morgan,

1:09:38>> yes.

1:09:39>> Alderman Lopez,

1:09:40>> yes.

1:09:41>> Alman Wilshshire,

1:09:42>> yes.

1:09:43>> 14 yays, zero nays.

1:09:45>> And that motion carries.

1:09:48Resolution 2653 is declared duly

1:09:51adopted.

1:09:52Second reading of R-26-054

1:09:56authorizing Penetruck Corporation to

1:09:58renew and extend its line of credit with

1:10:00TD Bank NA.

1:10:03>> Alman Cle.

1:10:04>> Uh thank you, Madame President. I motion

1:10:07for final passage of R26-054

1:10:11by roll call, please.

1:10:13>> Any question? [clears throat]

1:10:15Discussion on that motion?

1:10:19Seeing none, would the clerk please call

1:10:20the role?

1:10:22>> Alderman Clemens,

1:10:23>> yes.

1:10:24>> Alderman Clay,

1:10:26>> yes.

1:10:27>> Alderman Rean,

1:10:28>> residual,

1:10:28>> yes.

1:10:29>> Alderwoman Smith,

1:10:31>> yes.

1:10:33>> Alderman,

1:10:34>> yes.

1:10:35>> Alderman Greg,

1:10:36>> yes.

1:10:38>> Alderman Dow,

1:10:39>> yes.

1:10:40>> Alderman Sullivan,

1:10:42>> yes.

1:10:43>> Alderman Senate,

1:10:44>> yes.

1:10:46>> Alderman Johnson,

1:10:47>> yes. Alwoman Kelly,

1:10:50>> yes.

1:10:51>> Alman Morgan,

1:10:52>> yes.

1:10:53>> Alderman Lopez,

1:10:54>> yes.

1:10:55>> Alman Wilshshire,

1:10:56>> yes.

1:10:58>> 14 yays, zero nays.

1:10:59>> That motion carries and resolution 2654

1:11:02is declared duly adopted. Second reading

1:11:05of R-26-055

1:11:08relative to the transfer of $9,100 from

1:11:11the department 123 assessing account

1:11:1453142

1:11:16consulting services in 76,000 from

1:11:20department 162 street lighting account

1:11:23541000

1:11:25electricity for [clears throat] a total

1:11:27of 85,100

1:11:30into department 159 hydrants fire

1:11:33protection ction account 54835

1:11:36hydrant fees.

1:11:37>> Alderman Senate.

1:11:38>> Thank you, Madam President. I move for

1:11:40final passage of R26055

1:11:43by roll call.

1:11:45>> You've heard the motion. Is there

1:11:46discussion on that motion?

1:11:50>> Seeing none, will the clerk please call

1:11:52the [clears throat] role?

1:11:53>> Alderman Clemens?

1:11:54>> Yes.

1:11:55>> Alderman Cle?

1:11:57>> Yes.

1:11:58>> Alderman Rean?

1:11:59>> Yes.

1:12:00>> Aldwoman Smith,

1:12:02>> yes.

1:12:04Alman Tibo,

1:12:05>> yes.

1:12:06>> Alderman Greg,

1:12:07>> yes.

1:12:08>> Alderman Dow,

1:12:09>> yes.

1:12:10>> Alderman Sullivan,

1:12:12>> yes.

1:12:13>> Alderman Senate,

1:12:14>> yes.

1:12:16>> Alderman Johnson,

1:12:17>> no.

1:12:18>> Alderwoman Kelly,

1:12:20>> yes.

1:12:22>> Alman Morgan,

1:12:23>> yes.

1:12:25>> Alman Lopez,

1:12:26>> yes.

1:12:27>> Alman Wilshshire,

1:12:28>> yes.

1:12:29>> 13 yays, one nay. That motion carries

1:12:32and resolution 2655 is declared duly

1:12:34adopted.

1:12:35>> Second reading of R-26-056

1:12:39relative to the transfer of 10,500 from

1:12:42Department 157 citywide communications

1:12:46account 70150

1:12:48contingency negotiations to department

1:12:51157 citywide communications accounting

1:12:54classification 51 salaries and wages.

1:12:58>> Hold them doubted. Motion for final

1:13:00passage of R 26056 by roll call. Like to

1:13:02speak to it briefly.

1:13:03>> Almond.

1:13:04>> This is a standard action that we take

1:13:06when we're getting into negotiations

1:13:08with different uh bargaining units. We

1:13:10put the money we expect to spend in a

1:13:12contingency account and then when the

1:13:15when the motion is approved for the

1:13:17increases, the money gets transferred

1:13:19into salaries and wages.

1:13:23>> Further discussion?

1:13:26Seeing none, would the clerk please call

1:13:27the role?

1:13:29>> Alderman Clemens,

1:13:31>> yes.

1:13:31>> Alderman Cle,

1:13:33>> yes.

1:13:34>> Alderman Rean,

1:13:36>> yes.

1:13:37>> Alderwoman Smith,

1:13:39>> yes.

1:13:40>> Alderman Tibo,

1:13:42>> yes.

1:13:42>> Alderman Greg,

1:13:43>> yes.

1:13:45>> Alderman Dow,

1:13:46>> yes.

1:13:47>> Alderman Selvin,

1:13:48>> yes.

1:13:49>> Alderman Senate,

1:13:51>> yes.

1:13:52>> Alderman Johnson,

1:13:53>> yes. Aldwoman Kelly,

1:13:56>> yes.

1:13:58>> Alderman Morgan,

1:13:59>> yes.

1:14:00>> Alderman Lopez,

1:14:01>> yes.

1:14:02>> Alderman Wilshshire,

1:14:04>> yes.

1:14:04>> 14 yays, zero nays.

1:14:06>> That motion carries and resolution 2656

1:14:09is declared duly adopted. Unfinished

1:14:11business ordinances.

1:14:13>> Second reading of O-26-022

1:14:16establishing the video display signs

1:14:18overlay district.

1:14:20>> Alderman Morgan.

1:14:22>> Thank you, Madam President. and I'd like

1:14:23to make a motion for final passage of

1:14:25O-26-022

1:14:28by roll call and I'd like to speak to it

1:14:30if I may.

1:14:31>> Morgan,

1:14:31>> thank you. Um, so as we heard from

1:14:34previous comments or by public comment,

1:14:38this went before zoning as we would

1:14:40assume it would. Zoning said go to the

1:14:43board of alderman. Uh, so they did and

1:14:46then it got sent to two committees which

1:14:48I sat on both and was there for both

1:14:50discussions. So for planning, it went

1:14:53before planning and they did not

1:14:55recommend final passage because they

1:14:56said go to zoning

1:14:58and then it came before planning and

1:15:00economic development that heard both of

1:15:02those and said sure final passage we

1:15:05recommend please go before the board of

1:15:07alderman. Um so I'm asking for your

1:15:09support in this this evening. Um because

1:15:13apparently the buck stops with us which

1:15:14we realize and somebody needs to take

1:15:17responsibility for this. Everyone else

1:15:19is pointing fingers and doesn't want it.

1:15:20So, here it is and I ask for your

1:15:22support. Thank you,

1:15:24>> Alderman Tibo.

1:15:25>> Yeah, thank you, Madam President. Um,

1:15:28yeah, it came to my committee, the

1:15:29Planning and Economic Development

1:15:30Committee, because it has to go to

1:15:31committee before it comes here. So, um,

1:15:33and we uh gave it uh a glowing

1:15:36recommendation to come before the board.

1:15:38We discussed it. I thought it was a good

1:15:39discussion. We talked about the historic

1:15:41value of the neighborhood and what it

1:15:43could be consequences and maybe what it

1:15:46couldn't. But I think our our members

1:15:47and they can certainly speak for

1:15:48themselves. I see Alman Cle has her hand

1:15:50up too that we determined that uh you

1:15:53know to a certain extent we have to move

1:15:55forward a little bit and uh this would

1:15:57help uh some economic development in

1:16:00that area. So that's that's why we gave

1:16:01it a uh an approval and so um I'm going

1:16:04to support it tonight.

1:16:06>> Alderman Clay.

1:16:08>> Uh thank you u Madame President. Um I I

1:16:12want to echo e echo my two um colleagues

1:16:15comments. The the truth is that this

1:16:19needs some action. Um we tried to do it

1:16:22with just a single entity of um the um

1:16:26the NCA the national center for the arts

1:16:29and as was told the zoning said I don't

1:16:33think we have enough clarification.

1:16:35We want it from the uh board of

1:16:37alderman. it got bounced back to the

1:16:39board of alderman. Um, legislation was

1:16:42created. Planning board said, you know,

1:16:44I I don't think that this is something

1:16:46we should do. I think we don't need

1:16:48legislation. I think the zoning board

1:16:50can take care of it when we already knew

1:16:52that the zoning board said no. Um, I'm

1:16:55not going to say that it necessarily got

1:16:57a a glowing recommendation as my as a

1:17:00previous speaker had said. I had a lot

1:17:02of hesitations. We have seen some um

1:17:04emails and so on from people. Yes, there

1:17:07are potential um pitfalls in this. There

1:17:11are potential um you know um unwanted

1:17:14things that could happen. I think we

1:17:16have to kind of take a wait and see. If

1:17:18it does happen, then we need to tighten

1:17:20this up. I would have loved to seen it

1:17:22just for um an arts type of um of

1:17:27business because really this is what it

1:17:29was meant for to to promote what's kind

1:17:31of happening there in the theater and so

1:17:34on. Um, but it would have been just too

1:17:37much considering that we would have had

1:17:39residents and and businesses saying,

1:17:40"Well, you're only giving special

1:17:42exemption for the city." We tried to get

1:17:45a special exemption for that one

1:17:47particular building through the normal

1:17:49process. We did not, you know, say give

1:17:52it a blessing from the city and say,

1:17:53"Okay, done. It doesn't matter because

1:17:54it's city property." Um, we went through

1:17:57the entire uh process. So, we've done it

1:18:01right. We're trying not to say, okay,

1:18:02just this one business, um, we, you

1:18:05know, kind of made it a little bit

1:18:06broader. There are potential pitfalls,

1:18:09unintended consequences, and so on, but

1:18:12we can't stop this process from

1:18:14happening. So, I I gave it a thumbs up

1:18:17with hesitation, but um, I think we do

1:18:20need to put this forward. Thank you,

1:18:23>> Alderman Sullivan.

1:18:24>> Thank you. U, I didn't support this in

1:18:26committee. Uh I did hear the word

1:18:29unintended consequences thrown about

1:18:31quite a bit. Uh then theater of the mind

1:18:34takes takes hold and and I thought uh I

1:18:37can't support that. Uh my colleague who

1:18:40just spoke mentioned an email that was

1:18:43sent earlier in the week and and that

1:18:45gentleman did crystallize a lot of the

1:18:47points. Uh he talked about residents

1:18:50downtown. He talked about distractions

1:18:52while eating, but he also made some

1:18:55suggestions about what we could do

1:18:56instead. Uh so, uh I want to thank him

1:19:01for for writing in and helping me kind

1:19:03of put into words what I was feeling as

1:19:06far as uh unintended consequences. So, I

1:19:08can't support this tonight. Thank you

1:19:10very much,

1:19:12>> Alderman Raban.

1:19:14>> Um

1:19:15thank you, Alderman Sullivan. I think I

1:19:17received the same email and I am on the

1:19:21side of non-support simply because I I

1:19:24do consider this a slippery slope which

1:19:27is too slippery right now and I can't

1:19:30support it uh because of unintended

1:19:34consequences. Thank you

1:19:36>> Alderman Lopez.

1:19:37>> Um I just wanted to comment or observe I

1:19:39hope my colleague uh in using the term

1:19:41glowing recommendation was using a pun

1:19:44because it is video display. Um, and I

1:19:46did read the email and I plan to support

1:19:48this.

1:19:50>> Alderman Senate.

1:19:52>> Thank you, Madam President. Um, I do not

1:19:55believe I'll be supporting this this

1:19:57evening. Um, at the risk of sounding

1:19:59narrow-minded. Um, you know, a a lot of

1:20:04broad um assumptions could be made about

1:20:07unintended consequences. Um, prior to uh

1:20:12putting down my roots in Ward 7, I lived

1:20:14in uh Cangate off of Amherst Street for

1:20:17um the first three three years of my

1:20:19home ownership. Um where at the uh

1:20:24entrance to my complex um at the time a

1:20:27mortgage lender was located

1:20:30>> who greeted me with signs that were

1:20:33protected by right. um uh spouting

1:20:38profanity that thank goodness my child

1:20:40couldn't read at the time. Um

1:20:43and I

1:20:45business on Main Street is very

1:20:48transient in nature and all it takes is

1:20:51one bad actor for this to blow up in our

1:20:53face and I

1:20:56I I dealt with that for far too long to

1:20:58be able to put something in place like

1:21:01this. I [clears throat] I'm a little

1:21:03frustrated at the [cough] at the

1:21:06unwillingness to look at this by a case

1:21:08by case uh situation. It brings to mind

1:21:12um

1:21:13it brings to mind the discussions that

1:21:16were had and dragged out at the um

1:21:21regarding the signage at the um the new

1:21:24public works facility where originally

1:21:27an electronic sign was desired and

1:21:29eventually a compromise was reached and

1:21:31I know different different avenues were

1:21:34pursued here to try and um work around

1:21:37that to get that in by right because it

1:21:40was something that the city needed to

1:21:42do. And I I don't

1:21:46fully comprehend why this can't be

1:21:48treated on a case- by case situation um

1:21:51and why it has to be a blanket overlay.

1:21:54So at this time I will not be supporting

1:21:55that. Thank you.

1:21:57>> Alman D.

1:21:59Yeah, I I fully believe that over the

1:22:02years we've tightened the legislation up

1:22:05significantly since the original signs

1:22:07that we had issues with. And I think

1:22:11that that the performing arts center

1:22:15will treat this sign in a professional

1:22:18manner and it it's indicated from from

1:22:23them that this will uh improve their

1:22:26their ability to per have performances

1:22:30and and and

1:22:32meet the requirements of the people that

1:22:34are performing there. I think they'll do

1:22:36a great job with the sign and uh I think

1:22:40that we need to support this since we

1:22:42established and owned the building and

1:22:45brought the performing arts center

1:22:47downtown. I I think that we need to

1:22:50continue to support it.

1:22:53>> Alman Clemens.

1:22:54>> Uh thank you um Madame President. I uh

1:22:58will be supporting this this evening. Um

1:23:01I think that uh you know time marches on

1:23:06and we have to recognize the fact that

1:23:11you know there are different ways uh to

1:23:14advertise now. Um,

1:23:17video displays are uh one of them and I

1:23:22think that we should give the business

1:23:24community downtown the ability to um to

1:23:28use that.

1:23:30And the ordinance goes into very

1:23:33specific rules about the size um where

1:23:38they can be u located

1:23:42um on the building and and different

1:23:45things like that which we discussed at

1:23:47the uh committee. And so, you know, I I

1:23:50don't I guess

1:23:54if you want to say that the unintended

1:23:56consequence could be somebody exercising

1:23:58their freedom of speech, that's

1:24:00absolutely correct.

1:24:02But it depends on, I guess,

1:24:06what side of that coin you fall on,

1:24:08right? So, um I'm not afraid of freedom

1:24:13of speech. Uh I'm going to be supporting

1:24:15this. I think that um it's going to be

1:24:19good for the performing arts center. I

1:24:21think it's also going to be good uh

1:24:23potentially for other businesses uh

1:24:26downtown and uh I will be supporting it.

1:24:29>> Alman Morgan.

1:24:31>> Thank you, Madam President. I just

1:24:32wanted to add one more thing about this

1:24:34legislation that I love is that it does

1:24:39not play favorites. Whereas spotzoning

1:24:42can can look that way. It can look like

1:24:44favoritism. we can especially on a city-

1:24:46owned property. Um whereas this says,

1:24:49you know what, we're going to do what's

1:24:50good for one, we're going going to do

1:24:52for all. And so it allows the broader

1:24:56district area to also have those

1:24:58benefits. Um so,

1:25:01thank you, Madam President.

1:25:03>> Further discussion?

1:25:07>> Seeing none, would the clerk call the

1:25:08role, please?

1:25:10>> Alderman Clemens,

1:25:11>> yes. Alderman Cle.

1:25:14>> Yes.

1:25:15>> Alderman Rean,

1:25:17>> no.

1:25:18>> Aldwoman Smith,

1:25:24>> Alderwoman Smith.

1:25:28>> Sorry, took a moment to unmute. Yes.

1:25:33>> Alderman Tibo.

1:25:34>> Yes.

1:25:37>> Alderman Greg.

1:25:38>> Yes.

1:25:40>> Alderman Dow. Yes.

1:25:42>> Alderman Sullivan.

1:25:44>> No.

1:25:45>> Alderman Senate.

1:25:46>> No.

1:25:48>> Alderman Johnson.

1:25:49>> No.

1:25:51>> Aldwoman Kelly.

1:25:53>> No.

1:25:55>> Alderman Morgan.

1:25:56>> Yes.

1:25:58>> Alderman Lopez.

1:26:00>> Yes.

1:26:01>> Alman Wilshshire.

1:26:03>> Yes.

1:26:04>> Nine yays. Five nays.

1:26:06>> That motion carries. And ordinance

1:26:112622 is declared duly adopted.

1:26:28Unfinished business at the previous

1:26:30meeting. Alderman Greg.

1:26:33>> Um, thank you, Madam President. I'd like

1:26:34to make a motion to remove from the

1:26:36table resolution R26 um-49 by roll call

1:26:41and I'd like to have a brief statement.

1:26:43>> Greg,

1:26:44>> um I just wanted to thank my colleagues

1:26:45for extending me the courtesy of holding

1:26:48this until I could be in the room. Thank

1:26:50you.

1:26:55>> Okay. The motion is to remove from the

1:26:57table. Any further discussion on that?

1:27:00It's

1:27:00>> non-debatable.

1:27:01>> It's non-debatable. I knew that. Would

1:27:04the clerk call the role, please?

1:27:06>> Alderman Clemens,

1:27:08>> yes.

1:27:08>> Alderman Cle,

1:27:10>> yes.

1:27:11>> Alderman Rean,

1:27:13>> yes.

1:27:14>> Aldwoman Smith,

1:27:16>> yes.

1:27:18>> Alderman,

1:27:19>> yes.

1:27:20>> Alderman Greg,

1:27:21>> yes.

1:27:22>> Alderman Dow,

1:27:23>> yes.

1:27:24>> Alderman Sullivan,

1:27:26>> yes.

1:27:27>> Alderman Senate,

1:27:28>> yes.

1:27:29>> Alderman Johnson,

1:27:30>> yes. Aldwoman Kelly,

1:27:33>> yes.

1:27:35>> Alderman Morgan,

1:27:36>> yes.

1:27:37>> Alderman Lopez,

1:27:38>> yes.

1:27:40>> Alvin Wilshshire,

1:27:41>> yes.

1:27:41>> 14 yay, zero nays.

1:27:43>> That motion carries.

1:27:50>> Alderman Greg.

1:27:51>> Um, thank you, Madam President. I'd like

1:27:53to make a motion for final passage of

1:27:56R2649

1:27:57by roll call, and I'd like to speak to

1:27:59that, please.

1:28:00>> Greg,

1:28:01>> thank you. My colleagues have the

1:28:02details in front of them, so I'll be

1:28:04brief. This resolution asks that Nasha

1:28:06do something we have not formally done

1:28:08in recent history. Develop a strategic

1:28:10plan for how this city responds to

1:28:12homelessness, not a reaction to the next

1:28:14crisis of blueprint. One that helps

1:28:17guide the decisions of this board,

1:28:19future boards, future directors, and

1:28:21future administrators. Um, I've heard a

1:28:24lot of the concerns that were brought up

1:28:25in committee, and so I just wanted to

1:28:27address a couple of those. um one that

1:28:30this would slow down the efforts.

1:28:31There's nothing in this legislation that

1:28:33would slow down any efforts that we are

1:28:35currently doing. As a matter of fact,

1:28:37this legislation is designed to work

1:28:39alongside things that are already being

1:28:41done. Um that includes

1:28:45um any other legislation. I know that I

1:28:47have some colleagues that have thought

1:28:49about having an ad hoc committee or

1:28:51anything and hopefully this gives a

1:28:53foundation for all of that. It also

1:28:55helps organize the work that's being

1:28:57done in the city. I have also heard a

1:28:59concern about the 90 days that we could

1:29:01maybe do it sooner. The good news is

1:29:03that this is that this legislation is

1:29:05written to be within 90 days, which

1:29:07means if we can get it done in 30 days,

1:29:09that's fantastic. Um or even 15, but it

1:29:12has to be done within 90 days. Um, I

1:29:15know that there were some concerns about

1:29:17whether or not Director Bagley was in

1:29:19support of this and she said clearly at

1:29:22our August 25th meeting that a gap

1:29:24analysis would help refine current

1:29:26efforts to fit the widest uh applicable

1:29:29population. She also talked about how

1:29:32the resource center that we are all in

1:29:34support of would not be a um a fixall to

1:29:37this. So, I think this is important to

1:29:39have a conversation where we're bringing

1:29:42everybody to the table. the COC, all of

1:29:45our partners have a lot of information

1:29:47that we just don't have. And currently,

1:29:50we're making policy and funding

1:29:52decisions without all the information. I

1:29:54think it's time to bring it in this

1:29:55horseshoe, including with someone with

1:29:57lived experience, our police, and bring

1:29:59everybody to the to the table so we can

1:30:01get to the bottom of where we are in

1:30:04this city and what we really need.

1:30:08>> Mr. Clerk, did you have a

1:30:10>> Yes. Um, I I failed to do the third

1:30:13reading. So, third reading of R-26-049,

1:30:18establishing a homeless services gap

1:30:20analysis committee.

1:30:22>> Thank you, Alderman Clemens.

1:30:24>> Thank you. Uh, I want to just thank the

1:30:27uh prime sponsor of this uh legislation

1:30:31uh for clarifying uh some of those

1:30:34previous points. Um, and uh, you know, I

1:30:40was originally for this. I was concerned

1:30:42that it was going to hamper the movement

1:30:45of the resource center. Um,

1:30:48I'm glad that it, you know, it's been

1:30:51made clear that is going to complement

1:30:54that and as a result, uh, I will support

1:30:56it.

1:30:58>> Alderwoman Kelly.

1:31:01Uh, thank you and I appreciate

1:31:03everyone's conversation around this. Um,

1:31:06I have a motion to amend. Um, so under

1:31:11section D, I would like to make the I'm

1:31:15going to read it in full. It'll be

1:31:16easier for everyone to hear. So I would

1:31:18like it to reflect the committee shall

1:31:20deliver its gaps analysis report and

1:31:22formal recommendations to the mayor and

1:31:24board of alderman including a clearly

1:31:26defined timeline for recommended actions

1:31:29an in-depth plan for monitoring our

1:31:31progress as a city and a detailed

1:31:33financial scope including cost sharing

1:31:36recommendations and initial budget for

1:31:38timeritical recommended actions. I'd

1:31:41also like to strike upon delivery of its

1:31:44report. The committee shall disband and

1:31:46I'd like to speak to it.

1:31:48>> Alderwoman Kelly.

1:31:50>> All right. So, it's been a bit since we

1:31:52talked about this. I had similar

1:31:53concerns about it holding up the work on

1:31:56the resource center. Obviously, we have

1:31:58um movement on that both in the proof of

1:32:00action or proof of concept as well as um

1:32:04a full recommendation from this board to

1:32:06move forward um with the HUD pulling

1:32:10together the plan for HUD. Um so I

1:32:12appreciate everyone for that. Um I had a

1:32:15couple of reasons for these

1:32:17recommendations um and amendments and

1:32:21one is something that actually uh was

1:32:24said in public comment. I actually have

1:32:26on my desk something that I got from um

1:32:30welfare, city welfare. There was a

1:32:33report written in 2007. Um it is a

1:32:3610-year plan to end homelessness. And I

1:32:39could read you excerpts from this that

1:32:41sounds exactly like where we are right

1:32:42now. Um not to say that everyone in this

1:32:45city hasn't been trying to move the

1:32:46needle forward, but there's so much

1:32:49against us in terms of economic factors,

1:32:52all those things. Um, so I'm I I still

1:32:55have concern that this is going to be

1:32:56written and put on a shelf and nothing

1:32:58will happen. So I think that putting

1:32:59this language in it gives us

1:33:01opportunities to both really look at it

1:33:04um make sure that we're monitoring how

1:33:06we're moving on it if we get this data

1:33:08um and then

1:33:10as Miss Goodman who is the executive

1:33:13director of Soup Kitchen said um she

1:33:15said

1:33:18if we invest in its capacity that's what

1:33:20she said and I think that's been my

1:33:22other concern is that we're going to

1:33:24take this we're going to write it it's

1:33:26going to be great and then if we're not

1:33:27willing to look at it critically from a

1:33:30funding and action standpoint. It's just

1:33:32going to sit there. So those are my

1:33:35suggestions. I I'm not against doing

1:33:38this. I just want to make sure that we

1:33:40do it and then we have a way of

1:33:41implementing it. The second piece about

1:33:44removing upon delivery of a certain

1:33:46report the committee shall disband. I am

1:33:48concerned that if they disband

1:33:49completely or we don't have some way of

1:33:51handing it off to someone that the same

1:33:53thing will happen. It gets put on a

1:33:55shelf. there's nobody monitoring this

1:33:5710-year plan. Now, 19 years later, um we

1:34:01still have homelessness. So, those are

1:34:03those are my suggestions and I would be

1:34:05interested to hear my colleagues

1:34:06thoughts.

1:34:08>> Okay, that was quite an amendment. Um

1:34:12>> do you want me to drop it in the chat?

1:34:15>> Would that be helpful?

1:34:16>> No, because we can't see the chat.

1:34:18>> I'm sure

1:34:20>> I'll email it to Donna.

1:34:21>> Thank you,

1:34:23>> Alderman Tibo. Thank you. Um, thank you,

1:34:27Madam President. So, I got a lot to say

1:34:28on this one. Um, so can that be amended

1:34:32one more time?

1:34:34>> Yes.

1:34:34>> Okay. Thank you. Um, so, all right. So,

1:34:37I have some things to say about it. Um,

1:34:38one thing I'm I'm I'm extremely

1:34:40disappointed about it is we had this in

1:34:43committee. We failed it in committee. We

1:34:46didn't have this presentation. Like, we

1:34:49didn't have people come and talk. like

1:34:52it it took it failing before we got any

1:34:55kind of plan for it and before we had

1:34:57people come and talk to it and before

1:35:00politicking was able to go around and

1:35:02get people on board with it. So um so

1:35:05that's disappointing because then we

1:35:06have to bring it up off the table after

1:35:08it failed to then work through it in

1:35:11this chamber instead of doing it in

1:35:12committee. So that's one thing I wasn't

1:35:14I wasn't extremely happy about with it.

1:35:16The other thing is by saying that we

1:35:19don't have a gap analysis now is saying

1:35:21that director Bagley who has been

1:35:23working on this since I've been here

1:35:24five years hasn't been doing you know

1:35:27somebody said earlier about data will

1:35:29tell me that director Bagley doesn't

1:35:31have data on this stuff. If that's true

1:35:35then we're not

1:35:37um we're not uh trusting our director of

1:35:41health that she's done this job. And

1:35:43when I talked to her about this earlier,

1:35:45she wasn't really in for it. And I think

1:35:47the maker of the motion had

1:35:49conversations with her and I think she

1:35:52said it last time in the meeting, but it

1:35:53wasn't very

1:35:56a strong Yes. Um because I think it

1:35:58makes the city look bad. It makes the

1:35:59city look bad.

1:36:00>> This is on the amendment. We're talking

1:36:03on the amendment right now.

1:36:04>> Oh, you called on me. I didn't have I I

1:36:05raised my hand before she made the

1:36:07amendment. So, you can we can go on the

1:36:09amendment as long as you come back to

1:36:10me.

1:36:10>> I'll come back.

1:36:11>> I got a lot to say on this. I'll come

1:36:13back to you, Alman Morgan.

1:36:16>> Um, I have a question for the maker of

1:36:19the amendment.

1:36:21>> Okay. Um, would you consider

1:36:26pausing this until

1:36:31basically this the

1:36:34the committee comes back with

1:36:35recommendations and then at that point

1:36:37finite uh that language and maybe make

1:36:40any amendments at that point needed for

1:36:43changing of chairs or not disbanding,

1:36:45disbanding, etc. Instead of making it

1:36:47tonight when the committee hasn't had a

1:36:49chance to actually meet yet.

1:36:53No, I think we have to have a detailed

1:36:58what do we want out of this?

1:37:03>> Okay, Alman Senate,

1:37:06>> I I'll hold my comments. They're more on

1:37:08the legislation this whole not on the

1:37:09amendment.

1:37:11>> Greg.

1:37:11>> Um, thank you, Madam President. Um it's

1:37:14the first I've heard of the amendment

1:37:15which is obviously fine but I am

1:37:18concerned about um this is first of all

1:37:21this is a committee that was designed to

1:37:23be um short so that we can jumpstart the

1:37:26next steps. It is very likely that the

1:37:30committee will have a recommendation

1:37:32that we have something like an ad hoc

1:37:34committee or that a future committee

1:37:36come along. This is certainly also not a

1:37:38stop but this is a committee that is not

1:37:40funded in any way. we don't have any

1:37:42kind of funding with it. So to not have

1:37:44an end I think would also um you know

1:37:47put a few things in jeopardy. We're

1:37:48asking a lot of the people that will

1:37:51will be on this committee. It will be

1:37:52very intensive within those 90 days. Um

1:37:55we're bringing a lot of people to the

1:37:56table. So I think that um I I respect

1:38:00the idea that we need to move on but I

1:38:02don't think that any of us I think there

1:38:04is a deep desire on this uh horseshoe to

1:38:07to help and to find answers and you know

1:38:11I don't think that this will ever be a

1:38:13stop but I do think that this is

1:38:14building a foundation for strategic

1:38:17planning and that we will probably see a

1:38:19recommendation for a committee but also

1:38:21knowing of a standing committee or an ad

1:38:23hoc committee but I know that in the

1:38:25past this has been brought up on a

1:38:27previous board and it did not pass. So,

1:38:29we need to do something that gives us

1:38:32kind of that that baseline to work from.

1:38:34So, I respect that idea and I I think

1:38:37that that's, you know, we don't have to

1:38:39have that in the legislation to know

1:38:41that we're continuing to move that

1:38:42forward.

1:38:45>> Alman Clay,

1:38:50>> thank you, Madam President. Um, to the

1:38:52maker of the motion, um, my my

1:38:55apologies. I I I want to hear what you

1:38:58said something about financial

1:39:00>> Do you want me to repeat it?

1:39:02>> Just a just a portion if you don't mind

1:39:04just a portion about the expectations of

1:39:07of the financial issue to that.

1:39:11>> Alderman Kelly all

1:39:13>> I'm just going to read it again slowly.

1:39:14I did send it to Donna.

1:39:16So I asked for a clearly defined

1:39:18timeline, an in-depth plan for

1:39:20monitoring our progress and a detailed

1:39:22financial scope including cost sharing

1:39:24recommendations and an initial budget

1:39:26for time critical recommended actions.

1:39:30>> Okay. May I continue madam president?

1:39:32>> Yes.

1:39:34>> Thank you. Then my question is going to

1:39:36be

1:39:38I don't know so much as my it's not my

1:39:39question so much as my comment. I

1:39:41believe my concern and my comment is

1:39:44that for this group to create a a budget

1:39:48means that they would be taking on the

1:39:50responsibility of um agreeing to the the

1:39:54dollars. And when we're looking at a

1:39:5690-day

1:39:58um plan and and I know that there were

1:40:00concerns from uh the the personnel

1:40:03committee that that did hear this um was

1:40:05that this would go on and on forever um

1:40:08and that the um the the concern would be

1:40:11that nothing would get done out of it.

1:40:14My feeling is while I do agree that it

1:40:16would nice to have all of those aspects

1:40:19of it, my fear is that this is going to

1:40:21delay the committee and they're not

1:40:23going to be able to get it done in 90

1:40:24days. It's going to be intensive enough

1:40:26to really look as to what each of them

1:40:28brings to the table. Looking at the

1:40:30overlaps, looking at um creating that

1:40:34that list of what is really needed, see

1:40:36who is not doing what? Um and then kind

1:40:39of going with the recommendations and

1:40:41then let this board decide, okay, now we

1:40:43have this, what are the next steps. I

1:40:45don't want to keep doing committee by

1:40:47committee by committee. I do want to

1:40:49have all of those things that were

1:40:50mentioned, but I'm afraid that if we put

1:40:52too much burden on this committee, it

1:40:54will implode and we will get nothing. We

1:40:56will kind of defeat the purpose of this

1:40:58committee, which is to kind of give us

1:41:00whether we whether some of us, not me

1:41:03personally, but some of the committee

1:41:05members know exactly where those gaps

1:41:07are. I think for the sake of the public,

1:41:10they need to know what this group that

1:41:12will be um created of all of those um

1:41:16outside entities, including people who

1:41:18have lived experience um you know, will

1:41:22be able to bring to the table to to to

1:41:24speak to all the things that we hear the

1:41:25public saying. What we need, we know

1:41:28that we need housing, but the truth is

1:41:30we cannot build unlike what some people

1:41:31may think, we cannot build houses for

1:41:33everybody. So, we need to look at what

1:41:36are the gaps, what each of those

1:41:38entities uh can bring and um I think to

1:41:41say to them, well, what part of this

1:41:43budget or what are this financial are

1:41:44you willing to bear in a 90-day period?

1:41:47I think that's a lot to ask. I do

1:41:49respect the maker of that motion and I

1:41:52don't disagree that we need all of those

1:41:53aspects, but I don't think we

1:41:55necessarily need it within this first

1:41:57gap analysis. So, thank you, Madam

1:41:59President.

1:42:00>> I have a list. Alderman Dow.

1:42:02>> Yeah. Yeah.

1:42:03>> Could I respond, please? Personal

1:42:04privilege.

1:42:07>> Uh I just called on Alman Doubt. We can

1:42:10get back to you, Alderman Kelly.

1:42:12>> Yeah. I I can't support that amendment

1:42:15for a couple of reasons. One,

1:42:18it sounds like we're establishing

1:42:20another

1:42:22uh full-time committee,

1:42:25which I don't think

1:42:28we should do. When we get done with the

1:42:29gap analysis, I think the information

1:42:32should either go to the board of health

1:42:34for action or if they want to go to a

1:42:38committee existing committee we have on

1:42:40the board of alderman. Fine.

1:42:41Establishing another committee is just

1:42:44the baserbating the issue. The other

1:42:47thing is it sounded to me like they

1:42:48wanted um exact actions and budgets

1:42:53coming out of that meeting. That is not

1:42:55the place for that to be established.

1:42:57The gap committee, as I understood it in

1:43:00support, is looking at at where the

1:43:04holes are in us as a city supporting the

1:43:07homeless. It doesn't mean we have to

1:43:10have a resolution on all of those gaps,

1:43:13but it's going to point them out. And

1:43:15then it works with the other activity

1:43:17that we passed tonight for the resource

1:43:20center. and it will help them look at

1:43:24what the temporary resource center can

1:43:26fill and what's left and then working

1:43:29with the board of health, you know, this

1:43:31full board can look at ways to solve the

1:43:34issues that resolve beyond that. I I

1:43:37just think we're convoluting this issue

1:43:40far too severely by this amendment and

1:43:43there's no way that I can support it.

1:43:47>> Aldman Lopez.

1:43:48>> Um, so I also can't support this. Um I

1:43:51think I will be more supportive of the

1:43:54initial uh resolution as is being taken

1:43:56off the table um for reasons I can go

1:43:59into when we discuss that. But this

1:44:00seems like it is

1:44:03trying to do something that the original

1:44:05um gap analysis wasn't trying to do. I

1:44:08think as it was presented repeatedly,

1:44:10this was meant to be a um immediate and

1:44:13proactive response and some of the

1:44:16requirements that would be proposed

1:44:17here, including keeping it as a standing

1:44:19committee, including um attempting to do

1:44:21a financial analysis, that is going to

1:44:23be timeconuming unless the information

1:44:26is largely going to be if the meeting if

1:44:29the the data that is being asked for for

1:44:31financial costs or projections or

1:44:33anything like that is to be reasonable,

1:44:36it's going to take some time to actually

1:44:37put that together and it's going to take

1:44:38time for the organizations that are

1:44:40operating to fully present what things

1:44:43cost. We have gone back and forth on

1:44:45this committee on this board multiple

1:44:47times over how much basic things cost

1:44:50such as the resource uh center, the

1:44:52warming station. So trying to do that

1:44:55again with a smaller subcommittee

1:44:58at first in a 90-day period, but then

1:45:00with a recommendation and a report

1:45:01coming out that then the committee has

1:45:02to continue to work on to me doesn't

1:45:05seem feasible. It seems like it would be

1:45:07pulling a lot of resources from the

1:45:09nonprofit community who now have to

1:45:12participate and engage in this situation

1:45:14in order to make sure that the city's

1:45:16designating any resources available.

1:45:18They have to put resources into

1:45:20supporting this committee in a much more

1:45:22meaningful way instead of working at the

1:45:25height of their their necessary work

1:45:27when the weather's colder and when you

1:45:29know people are most you know visibly

1:45:31present and in need. So I think as it

1:45:34was initially presented I had some

1:45:36concerns but those concerns are much

1:45:38more reduced now. Uh but I think this

1:45:41amendment would probably exacerbate

1:45:42those. And then finally I would point

1:45:44out at the human affairs committee we

1:45:46have been covering a lot of programs

1:45:48that present on their capacity present

1:45:50on their gaps present on their needs. I

1:45:53don't know why we would have to create

1:45:54another committee to substitute that.

1:45:57This was always presented as something

1:45:58that doesn't do that at all. It focuses

1:46:00on the gap analysis.

1:46:03>> [clears throat]

1:46:04>> Alman Senate,

1:46:05>> I'm all set.

1:46:06>> You're all set. Alderwoman Kelly.

1:46:13>> Oh, the time has passed.

1:46:17>> I didn't hear what she said. Time has

1:46:19passed.

1:46:20>> Okay.

1:46:22All right.

1:46:24Seeing no further discussion,

1:46:29the motion is to amend.

1:46:32The clerk call the role, please.

1:46:34>> Alderman Clemens,

1:46:35>> no.

1:46:36>> Alderman Clay,

1:46:39>> no.

1:46:41>> Alderman Rean,

1:46:43>> no.

1:46:44>> Aldwoman Smith,

1:46:46>> no.

1:46:49>> Alderman Tibo,

1:46:50>> yes.

1:46:53>> Alderman Greg,

1:46:54>> no.

1:46:56>> Alderman Dow,

1:46:57>> no.

1:46:59Alderman Seldon,

1:47:00>> no.

1:47:02>> Alderman Sennet,

1:47:03>> no.

1:47:05>> Alderman Johnson,

1:47:06>> no.

1:47:08>> Aldwoman Kelly,

1:47:09>> yes.

1:47:11>> Alderman Morgan,

1:47:12>> no.

1:47:15>> Alderman Lopez,

1:47:16>> no.

1:47:18>> Alderman Wilshshire,

1:47:19>> no.

1:47:21>> Two yays, 12 nays.

1:47:23>> And that motion fails.

1:47:27Alderman Morgan. Oh, I'm sorry. Alder,

1:47:30he had his

1:47:30>> promised him. Oh, you did.

1:47:32>> That's why I wanted to continue to

1:47:34>> I did promise him I'd come back to him.

1:47:36>> Thank you, Madam President. Um,

1:47:38>> you're welcome.

1:47:39>> So, again, back to the having it in

1:47:42committee. Again, if we would have had

1:47:43this detail in committee, it pro sounds

1:47:45like it would have passed. Um, outside

1:47:47of my vote, it would have passed and

1:47:49we'd already be doing it instead of

1:47:51being pushed out another 30 days. So,

1:47:54um, so you know that I mean, is it

1:47:57important? We should have had it done

1:47:58already. Um, it looks like this is going

1:48:00to pass regardless of what I say. Um,

1:48:02looks like everybody's changed their

1:48:04mind or decided they were always on on

1:48:06board with it. Um, but my worry is one,

1:48:0990 days. It's a long time. I'm about

1:48:11action. I want things done. I don't want

1:48:13to wait for things. We know the gaps.

1:48:15The biggest gap is homeless. I mean, uh,

1:48:17housing. Housing is the biggest gap. We

1:48:19know that. Um, affordable housing for

1:48:22people that need it. Um, that's the gap.

1:48:24When I talked to Director Bagley, that's

1:48:26what she told me and that's what

1:48:27everybody's saying and that's what the

1:48:28the biggest gap is. If we don't know the

1:48:30gaps when they've been working on this

1:48:32and the nonprofits have been working on

1:48:33this for so long and the human affairs

1:48:35committee, then I guess city's at fault.

1:48:39We're all at fault and all the the

1:48:40nonprofits are at fault. And that's not

1:48:43in my opinion what that's not the case.

1:48:45I think they're doing the best they can.

1:48:47They're working as hard as they can.

1:48:48They come to us for support whether it's

1:48:50financial or legislative. Um I just

1:48:53think and and you know I heard the maker

1:48:56of the motion say earlier before the

1:48:58meeting started that this is going to be

1:48:59intensive. Well intensive to me sounds

1:49:02like that's work. And if you have people

1:49:04working in these committees or working

1:49:07on this

1:49:08they're not doing their job. These

1:49:10nonprofit people have a full-time job.

1:49:12Director Bagley has a full-time job.

1:49:15take her away from this and she's taking

1:49:16being taken away from working on housing

1:49:18or working on the resource center or

1:49:20working on the uh Harbor Homes in

1:49:23between uh resource center. So, you

1:49:26know, I just I just don't think that

1:49:28this is something that we should be

1:49:30doing. I think uh it because I don't

1:49:33think it's going to help. If I thought

1:49:34it was going to help the homeless, I

1:49:36would be on board with it. I just don't

1:49:38think it's going to help. Um, I think

1:49:40there's other things we should be doing

1:49:42out there and I I just it's um I think

1:49:47in some ways performative and I I don't

1:49:49I'm worried what Alderman Kelly said,

1:49:51Alderwoman Kelly said that it's going to

1:49:52sit the the report's going to sit on a

1:49:54shelf after and we're not going to do

1:49:55anything with it. The whole goal is to

1:49:58get data that we're going to act on. We

1:50:00have data now that we're probably not

1:50:01acting on. So that's concerning to me.

1:50:04Um, you know, I want something tangible

1:50:07that we can do right now to help the

1:50:09crisis that we have. Um, like I said

1:50:12before, I'm an and and and person, not

1:50:14an andor. Let's start with the resource

1:50:16center. Let's start with a temporary

1:50:17resource center. We have a warming

1:50:19station that's going to be opened

1:50:20earlier than we've ever opened it

1:50:22before. Um, those are all steps in the

1:50:25right direction. Then we got to start

1:50:26thinking about what the next step is.

1:50:28The gap analysis is probably going to

1:50:30tell us that. We probably already know

1:50:31what that next step is. I'm sure

1:50:32Director Bagley knows. I'm sure she has

1:50:33a plan. Um, I do want to make a motion

1:50:36though. So, my motion would be the same

1:50:40exact motion. The only difference is in

1:50:42the motion there's two alder manic uh

1:50:45appointees on this committee or this

1:50:47board analysis or whatever we want to

1:50:49call it. I want to put those two

1:50:51aldermanic uh liaison or people or

1:50:54whatever they are to be the chair and

1:50:56the vice chair of the human affairs

1:50:57committee because they know what's going

1:51:00on with the nonprofits. they are more in

1:51:02tune with the homeless crisis than

1:51:04probably any of us here are. And I think

1:51:06the I would also put in that that the

1:51:09chair of this this gap analysis should

1:51:11be the chair of the human affairs

1:51:12committee. Again, I think they have the

1:51:14most knowledge of the nonprofits in the

1:51:17city and what's going on within the

1:51:19crisis here. I trust both of them know

1:51:22what what's what uh would their

1:51:24knowledge would help this committee

1:51:26faster than people who are not up to

1:51:28speed on what's going on in the city.

1:51:30just like Director Baggley will because

1:51:31she knows what's going on. So that's my

1:51:34that's my motion.

1:51:38>> That's quite a motion.

1:51:40>> Only adding to small changes.

1:51:43>> Okay.

1:51:44>> All right.

1:51:46>> Alman Greg,

1:51:46>> can we have the motion clarified? Just

1:51:49just

1:51:49>> I'd like it clarified as well.

1:51:51>> Yeah. So there's there's on it, it tells

1:51:52you exactly who's on the if you look at

1:51:54the the paperwork that she has, it has

1:51:58two people that are coming from this

1:51:59board to be on that gap analysis. My

1:52:02motion is to instead of just saying two

1:52:03aldermen, I want the chair of the human

1:52:06affairs and the vice chair of the human

1:52:08affairs committee as those two

1:52:11appointees.

1:52:12>> That's your motion.

1:52:12>> That's my motion.

1:52:13>> Okay.

1:52:15>> I think it also had the chair of the

1:52:18>> Oh, yeah. Human Affairs Committee be the

1:52:20chair of the gap analysis.

1:52:22>> That is true.

1:52:22>> Committee.

1:52:26>> Okay.

1:52:27>> Thank you.

1:52:28>> You're welcome. Holdman Greg.

1:52:30>> Um I would like to thank my colleague

1:52:32for that um idea on how to do this. I

1:52:35think that it's not always important

1:52:36like who's been, you know, doing the

1:52:39most work on this or whatever getting to

1:52:42what we're trying to get to. It would be

1:52:44helpful to have people who are maybe not

1:52:47biased one way or the other that are

1:52:49coming in this. Sometimes fresh eyes are

1:52:51some of the better eyes. This doesn't

1:52:53mean that those people can't come and

1:52:55have input on that. But we need we're

1:52:57we're having people come in. We're

1:52:59having a lived experience person. We are

1:53:02having um some people from our partners.

1:53:05We're having public health. all of this

1:53:08I think to designate something like it's

1:53:10going to have to be this chair or this

1:53:12vice chair that would be work that

1:53:14they're doing in that committee already

1:53:16and we've not finished it yet. It's not

1:53:19ever been done. So I think to say all of

1:53:21a sudden we're going to demand that they

1:53:23do this um I think is not only

1:53:26unreasonable but I think it's not really

1:53:28thinking through where we've been and

1:53:30what we're doing. So this is this is

1:53:33looking at this in a very unbiased way

1:53:36to get new information to figure out

1:53:38where it's not only gap analysis of

1:53:42where um we don't have services. It's

1:53:44also gaps in communication. It's very

1:53:47important that the alderman understand

1:53:49what the city is understanding,

1:53:51understands what the partners are

1:53:53understanding. And I think the best

1:53:55example of that is we talk a lot about

1:53:57director Bagley and you know how

1:54:00respected she is and we all agree on

1:54:02that. My second vote on this board when

1:54:05I first came on was to reconsider a

1:54:08camping ban that none of our partners

1:54:10supported and and director Bagley did

1:54:13not support. So, you know, we can't be

1:54:16choosy on when we decide that we're

1:54:18going to trust people or not trust

1:54:20people. I think it's very important to

1:54:23just have facts and deal with this from

1:54:25a matter of fact and how we can best

1:54:29help this city by moving it forward.

1:54:35>> Alman Morgan.

1:54:37>> Um mine was before the motion was made

1:54:40so I'll wait.

1:54:41>> Okay.

1:54:43>> Aldman women I have a list here. Alman

1:54:45Senate

1:54:46>> I still just want to speak to the

1:54:48legislation as is. [laughter]

1:54:50She's on my list. Okay. Um, Alderman

1:54:52Clemens,

1:54:54>> I I don't have any on the amendment.

1:54:58>> On the amendment.

1:54:59>> Alderman Clay.

1:55:04>> Thank you, Madam President. Um, I do

1:55:05want to speak to the amendment. Um,

1:55:07while I 100% respect both the chair and

1:55:10the vice chair of human affairs, to say

1:55:13that they're the only two that would

1:55:14have that kind of information, I think

1:55:16is being shortsighted. Um, I can speak

1:55:19to the fact that um both not appointed

1:55:23but both um approved and voted on by the

1:55:27um the uh the GNC

1:55:30um executive committee are myself and um

1:55:34Alderman Greg. So we could say that the

1:55:38two of us would be more and I'm not

1:55:40putting my name forward. Please

1:55:41understand that. I'm not saying that. So

1:55:43there, you know, you can't just say the

1:55:45human affairs committee um has has more

1:55:48knowledge um than myself or Alderman

1:55:51Greg who also are working with these

1:55:53nonprofits and and sitting in in the

1:55:55executive committee meetings knowing

1:55:57about the HUD funding as as well as do

1:56:00the the chair and the vice chair of

1:56:02human affairs. So um I I don't think we

1:56:05should be that prescriptive. I think we

1:56:07should leave it to the um um the

1:56:10president and and perhaps at that time,

1:56:13you know, maybe there'd be one, you

1:56:15know, one person from the human affairs

1:56:17and maybe one person from the um the GNC

1:56:21executive council that's an that's an

1:56:23alderman because again, these two people

1:56:25would have this intimate um knowledge.

1:56:28So, um I would I would rather not be as

1:56:32prescriptive as to say those two

1:56:34positions. Um, I think it should be um a

1:56:37a you know, put up to the the the

1:56:41president. We're being too p

1:56:43prescriptive in doing it this way or

1:56:45restrictive, I should say. Thank you,

1:56:47>> Alderman Lopez.

1:56:48>> Um, so first I would say if the

1:56:50president asked me to chair something,

1:56:51then I would be honored to do it. But um

1:56:54if this board decides not to vote

1:56:56specifically for this amendment because

1:56:58it includes me being includes me being

1:57:01chaired, I wouldn't take it personally

1:57:02and it wouldn't necessarily affect how I

1:57:04I vote for it myself. Um what I would

1:57:07point out to the um maker of the

1:57:09original I think the intent of the

1:57:11original gap analysis might have been

1:57:14not to have the alderman take such a

1:57:16overt role because we could have done

1:57:18this through the human affairs

1:57:19committee. It just needed people to come

1:57:22and say, you know, attend the

1:57:24presentations we have been doing or

1:57:26specifically say, can you do these? Um,

1:57:28I know Alderman Sullivan um has reached

1:57:30out and said, can we have a specific

1:57:32item on the human affairs agenda? Um, I

1:57:34think he was looking for a titled item.

1:57:36I'm not entirely clear. I don't want to

1:57:38speak for him, but we can do that work

1:57:40in committee through the human affairs

1:57:41committee lens. But the value of the gap

1:57:44analysis as I see it is maybe for

1:57:46alderman to learn to listen a little bit

1:57:48to what some of these experts are saying

1:57:51and with respect to my colleague who I

1:57:53appreciate the respect that was sent my

1:57:56way and uh to the chair of the human

1:57:58affairs committee. We're not the ones

1:58:00that need to be persuaded or educated.

1:58:02it may literally be better for some of

1:58:04the aldermen who don't have as much

1:58:05experience or have their own

1:58:07preconceived notions to be the ones who

1:58:10take the lead on this particular thing.

1:58:11It certainly doesn't mean that I'm not

1:58:12going to attend whenever I can um or be

1:58:15directly involved. Um but I think it is

1:58:17worth pointing out that it might be a

1:58:19time for fresh eyes particularly not

1:58:21just the aldermanic eyes but allowing

1:58:23the community and our professionals to

1:58:25speak a little bit more with the voice.

1:58:27So it may be a reasonable scenario to

1:58:30contemplate where alderman don't chair

1:58:31the committee. Maybe the committee

1:58:34elects its own or maybe the president

1:58:36chooses from the appointees.

1:58:40>> Alderman doubt.

1:58:42>> Yeah, I definitely have nothing against

1:58:44the chair.

1:58:46Um, and I I think perhaps those two

1:58:49people should be on the committee, but I

1:58:52think since we're establishing an

1:58:54outside committee to do this, I think

1:58:56the committee itself ought to pick who's

1:58:58the chair and the vice chair at the

1:59:00first meeting. The chair of human

1:59:01affairs can call the first meeting and

1:59:03then have a vote. and maybe it's

1:59:06director Bagley, maybe it's one of the

1:59:08nonprofits or or combination of because

1:59:11uh all too often if we have an alderman

1:59:14that's chairing these committees,

1:59:17they feel like we're running the show

1:59:20and and and

1:59:22maybe put too much undo influence on

1:59:25things. So I think to me it would be

1:59:28better off if the committee picked who

1:59:30they wanted to have as chair and vice

1:59:31chair.

1:59:32>> Alderman Tibo. Yeah, thank you, Madam

1:59:34President. Um, so I will strike the who

1:59:36the chair is of the the board uh as far

1:59:39as that goes, but I want to continue to

1:59:40keep um the vice chair and chair of

1:59:43human affairs on that and to say, you

1:59:45know, the maker of the motion literally

1:59:47said, "Oh, they're already doing that

1:59:48work in that committee." Then why are we

1:59:49doing the gap analysis if they're

1:59:51already doing that work in the

1:59:52committee? Um they bring nonprofits in

1:59:54there all the time. And I alope would

1:59:56probably tell you the rest of us don't

1:59:57go. It's just their committee usually.

2:00:00So obviously we're not paying attention

2:00:01to it. I watch it after the fact. Um

2:00:04because I try to watch all the

2:00:06committees after because I want to know

2:00:07what's going on even if I'm not in the

2:00:09committee. Um because we need to because

2:00:11we're voting on things that are in those

2:00:13committees and it's important. Um and so

2:00:16they're doing the good work in there.

2:00:18And I do think that somebody should have

2:00:19some knowledge if they're trying to put

2:00:21a gap analysis together. I would hope

2:00:24that we would want somebody that has

2:00:26some knowledge of what's going on so

2:00:27they can add value to that committee.

2:00:29And I I I agree to Alderman Cle's point.

2:00:33They are not the only people that know

2:00:35anything about the homeless crisis. I I

2:00:36will I will give that as the Yeah, I get

2:00:39that. But I also think being on the

2:00:42human affairs committee and being in

2:00:43those roles and being in those roles for

2:00:45many years now, at least being in that

2:00:47committee, I think they are strong

2:00:49advocate for what we're trying to gain

2:00:51by this thing. And if the maker of the

2:00:55motion doesn't think that they belong on

2:00:57that committee or they shouldn't be on

2:00:58that committee, then I think maybe we're

2:01:00doing this for the wrong reason because

2:01:02I think that they have that kind of

2:01:04knowledge that would really help. Um,

2:01:07you know, Alderman Lopez lives in the

2:01:09area where we probably have the most

2:01:10homeless and he talks to them and he

2:01:12engages and he knows what's going on and

2:01:16um it's not just cuz I I love the man,

2:01:18but I I he knows what he's doing and I

2:01:20think it's important. So, if this

2:01:22doesn't pass, I hope the the president

2:01:24is able to put him on there, but I would

2:01:26like to see him and and the vice chair

2:01:29um in this and I I know maker of the

2:01:31motion is doing a great job. I'm sure

2:01:33I'm going to lose this one, too, but I I

2:01:35think it's important that we put the

2:01:36right people on there. So,

2:01:38>> so you're amending your motion

2:01:39>> just to take the part off that they have

2:01:41to be one of the aldermans has to be the

2:01:43chair. They can create their own chair.

2:01:45That's fine. That makes sense.

2:01:50Alman Cle.

2:01:55>> Thank you, Madam President. And I and I

2:01:57um I applaud my colleague for striking

2:01:59that. Um I think that's too

2:02:01prescriptive. Then it comes in sounding

2:02:03like the um the city is running the show

2:02:06again. And we don't we really don't want

2:02:09that to happen. We want these nonprofits

2:02:11to do that and let whoever's on this

2:02:13committee pick who'll be the chair and

2:02:15the vice chair. Um, I also don't think

2:02:18necessarily um that we're we're going to

2:02:20look at it and say that um the two

2:02:23people that are on the human affairs

2:02:24committee are the um the ones that

2:02:27should um necessarily be on it. I served

2:02:30on the human affairs committee for six

2:02:32years. I know the president has served

2:02:34on it and chaired it for many many

2:02:36years. There are a lot of us who do have

2:02:38expertise from human affairs as well as

2:02:42other committees. Again, I'm not putting

2:02:43my name forward. I'm just saying is that

2:02:46I think we're being too um prescriptive

2:02:49if we put in this legislation that some

2:02:53that one or both of those people should

2:02:55be on. I think the president should make

2:02:57that decision. I believe in her. I trust

2:03:00her to make the right decision. She

2:03:02knows the strengths within the

2:03:03aldermanic chamber and I don't think

2:03:06that we as a group should be that

2:03:08prescriptive. So, thank you.

2:03:11>> Alderwoman Kelly.

2:03:13Uh, thank you. Did I come off mute at

2:03:16this time? I'm getting good tonight.

2:03:18Sorry. Um,

2:03:21I think this is a fine amendment. I

2:03:23think there's been really interesting

2:03:24conversation around like who should be

2:03:26on this, but I think if we've done

2:03:28nothing but demonstrate why this work

2:03:30should be done in committee and my

2:03:32biggest issues with some of this when it

2:03:34originally came through too was the

2:03:36membership. If we're talking about

2:03:39weighing it one way or another because a

2:03:40board of alderman is chairing or the I

2:03:42mean we only have we have two members of

2:03:44the board of the alderman and only two

2:03:46members from the nonprofit homeless

2:03:48service providers. So it's it's very

2:03:51heavily weighted in government. So I'm

2:03:54just going to leave my comments there.

2:03:55The membership of it was never something

2:03:57that sat well with me. I'm probably not

2:03:59going to support this with the amendment

2:04:00or without the amendment. But I think

2:04:02that there was a longer discussion that

2:04:05needed to be had in committee. I was

2:04:08willing to table it at the full board

2:04:09because so many of the sponsors were not

2:04:12able to come to our committee. But this

2:04:14is why something like this does happen

2:04:16in committee so we can really have some

2:04:17in-depth conversations and not make you

2:04:20know from the hip decisions.

2:04:26>> Okay. So further discussion.

2:04:30So we have we have the amendment uh

2:04:33Alderman Tivo's amendment

2:04:37to add I mean to make the two appointees

2:04:40from the board be the human affairs

2:04:43committee chair and vice chair.

2:04:49>> The clerk call the role on that minute.

2:04:52>> Alderman Clemens.

2:04:54>> Yes.

2:04:55>> Alderman Clay.

2:04:57>> No.

2:04:58Alderman Rean,

2:05:00>> no.

2:05:02>> Aldwoman Smith,

2:05:04>> no.

2:05:06>> Alderman Tibo,

2:05:07>> yes.

2:05:09>> Alderman Greg,

2:05:10>> no.

2:05:11>> Alderman Dow,

2:05:12>> no.

2:05:14>> Alderman Sullivan,

2:05:15>> no.

2:05:16>> Alderman Senate,

2:05:17>> no.

2:05:19>> Alderman Johnson,

2:05:20>> no.

2:05:21>> Alderwoman Kelly,

2:05:23>> yes.

2:05:27Alderman Morgan,

2:05:28>> no.

2:05:32>> Alderman Lopez,

2:05:33>> yes.

2:05:35[laughter]

2:05:37>> Alderman Wilshshire,

2:05:38>> no.

2:05:41>> Four yays, 10 nays.

2:05:43>> That motion fails. So

2:05:47>> now we have before us the uh Kelly

2:05:50amendment.

2:05:51>> Oh,

2:05:52>> no. No,

2:05:53>> that failed. Regular.

2:05:54>> Okay, my bad.

2:05:55>> Final passage. Final passage.

2:05:59Alderman Morgan. Thank you.

2:06:04>> Uh I want to thank my colleagues for all

2:06:06of the discussion. Um [clears throat]

2:06:07and to point out a couple things that

2:06:08were already said. Um sure the

2:06:12conversation happened in the committee.

2:06:14Um to what extent

2:06:17they didn't get the information that

2:06:18they needed and now we're having the

2:06:20discussion. So to point fingers and say,

2:06:22"Well, we should have had this con this

2:06:24conversation then. Who cares? we're

2:06:26having it now. Um,

2:06:29and it's a worthy conversation. It's a

2:06:31forwardthinking piece of legislation

2:06:34that is in parallel with all the other

2:06:38things that we're talking about doing.

2:06:40This is the exact piece of paper of what

2:06:44the and looks like.

2:06:46This is carrying that forward so that

2:06:49whatever the outcome is of our resource

2:06:53center um trial comes out to be. This is

2:06:57going to be in parallel with that to be

2:06:59able to have pun not intended

2:07:03to my colleague who said fresh and new

2:07:05eyes or better eyes. My colleague and I

2:07:08both kind of laughed because our vision

2:07:10is not great. However,

2:07:12um bringing in

2:07:15unfustrated people, people who are

2:07:18saying, you know what, I don't know

2:07:20everything and I'm going to listen.

2:07:22Whether it's myself or it's Alderman

2:07:26Johnson, etc. Like the more people that

2:07:29believe in it, the more people that are

2:07:31sitting there and having the

2:07:32conversation is a value to every single

2:07:34person. Um, so I'm going to cut myself

2:07:36short there. And because I want to see

2:07:39it happen and we keep having these

2:07:41conversations instead of moving forward

2:07:43with the piece of legislation, we're

2:07:45having petty conversations over when

2:07:47somebody should or shouldn't have said

2:07:49something, instead of holding our own

2:07:51feet to the fire and saying, "Yes, let's

2:07:53move forward." So, I'll be happy and

2:07:56honored to support this piece of

2:07:57legislation from my colleague

2:08:00>> Alderman Senate.

2:08:02>> Thank you, Madam President. Um it was

2:08:04pointed out earlier tonight in the

2:08:06conversation that um you know we've uh

2:08:09we've kind of gotten over the hurdle of

2:08:11this is going to slow things down

2:08:12because uh just earlier tonight we

2:08:16approved the agreement with Harbor for

2:08:18the proof of concept and just last week

2:08:20we uh authorized director Bagley to uh

2:08:24continue her pursuit and her application

2:08:26of federal funding to stand up a

2:08:28resource center. With all that in mind,

2:08:31I thought that this was a great idea and

2:08:35the right time a month ago. I only think

2:08:38that it's the better time and a better

2:08:40idea now that we have those wheels to

2:08:44the pavement.

2:08:46We now have the opportunity while

2:08:49something is being stood up. Um, if if I

2:08:51understood the Harborare plan correctly,

2:08:54that's intended to open this month. Um,

2:08:58we're working live now. I think that's a

2:09:00great time to be doing the gap analysis

2:09:02to identify shortcomings, identifying

2:09:05strengths, generating a report within 90

2:09:07days while that activity is actively

2:09:11happening at Harborare and being able to

2:09:14utilize live case studies to implement

2:09:17shortcomings to bolster strengths and

2:09:21lead us to a point where at the end of

2:09:24the I guess I guess you'd call it the

2:09:26case study or the proof of concept

2:09:29You know, once we have a site identified

2:09:31and approved by this board, hopefully

2:09:33one day, we've got a stronger machine

2:09:35that we can put into place and implement

2:09:37as our long-term resource center.

2:09:41I if this wasn't a good idea a month

2:09:44ago, I it certainly is now because the

2:09:46wheels are rolling. We want progress. We

2:09:50want study. We can do pro We can do

2:09:53progress and a study. There's your end

2:09:55right there. we we can walk and chew

2:09:58bubble gum and this is our opportunity

2:10:00to do that. So, I'm definitely going to

2:10:03support this as written. Um,

2:10:06as somebody who had a uh piece of

2:10:08legislation kicked back to a committee

2:10:10after being fully approved at that

2:10:12committee uh just a couple of months

2:10:14ago, I I have to agree with my colleague

2:10:16at large who just said, "So what?" You

2:10:18know, we we do the work at committee and

2:10:21sometimes we find that there's more work

2:10:22to do and so we're doing it now.

2:10:24um

2:10:27that I'll have the conversation wherever

2:10:29it needs to happen. I'm fine with that.

2:10:31Thank you.

2:10:32>> You're welcome, Alderman Greg.

2:10:35>> Oh, um thank you, Madam President. So, I

2:10:37just wanted to clarify a couple things.

2:10:39I think um intent is important and in

2:10:42signing a tent that intent that is not

2:10:44um uh accurate is is also important to

2:10:48acknowledge. And the reason that you

2:10:50have more information now probably than

2:10:52the committee did. First of all, I was

2:10:54dealing with a family emergency that

2:10:55day. So, but also I was a little

2:10:57surprised with the kickback that I heard

2:11:00um that that day in committee. Um was

2:11:03not expecting that. I since then have

2:11:05had more conversations to see are we off

2:11:08base, are we on base it was suggested in

2:11:11committee to come to the board with no

2:11:13recommendation or to table in committee.

2:11:15Instead, they chose to um indefinitely

2:11:17postpone. and I respect their decision

2:11:19on that, but I think more conversations

2:11:21have to happen. So, in the meantime, the

2:11:23continuum of care did ask me to do a

2:11:26presentation when I did that. Director

2:11:28Bagley um was impressed with the

2:11:30presentation and said, "You know what?

2:11:31The board needs to see this. They need

2:11:33to see this." So, I just adjusted it

2:11:35rather than it be for providers for the

2:11:37board. So, that's why everybody has that

2:11:39in front of them and everybody at home

2:11:41can see that online. So this is just

2:11:43about more information because the

2:11:45intent is to help our city to give us a

2:11:48strategic plan. Um this is not

2:11:50performative. This is good governance.

2:11:52And so when we are making policy

2:11:55decisions like let's say the camping ban

2:11:57or we are making funding decisions like

2:11:59a resource center that's very very

2:12:00expensive. It helps if we have some kind

2:12:03of factual things. I know that there is

2:12:06a lot of of data out there. We don't

2:12:08have it in one place. We don't have it

2:12:11where any of us can really access or we

2:12:13know what's going on. Um, this is the

2:12:16best way that I could think of to get us

2:12:18on this board before we make rash

2:12:20decisions on people's lives, the best

2:12:24information that we can have because the

2:12:26more data we have and the more

2:12:27information we have, the better

2:12:29decisions we're going to make for our

2:12:31unfortunate um citizens that we have

2:12:34here and also for um our taxpayers and

2:12:38what their investment is doing. I think

2:12:39it's a great way to show them what their

2:12:41investment is actually working towards.

2:12:46>> Next, I have Alderman Sullivan.

2:12:48>> Thank you very much. I I wanted to say

2:12:50about

2:12:52policy to your point and I think good

2:12:54policy

2:12:55it's a journey and I think that uh

2:12:58success rarely follows a straight line

2:13:01and I think it's important that you know

2:13:04when we talk about making good policy

2:13:06where it goes what matters is the

2:13:09outcome

2:13:11and to put a time stamp on this I

2:13:15remember I was listening I believe it

2:13:16was the human affairs committee

2:13:19uh I believe it was mid to late July

2:13:23when when there was a discussion around

2:13:25that. So we're coming up on 60 days

2:13:28because I know that there was some

2:13:29concern about the 90 days of the of the

2:13:31committee that was mid to late July.

2:13:35We're now almost in mid September. Um so

2:13:39here we are. Uh we have a proof of

2:13:43concept that that's moving forward. So

2:13:45to borrow uh from the young woman who

2:13:47was an engineer tonight, we have a

2:13:48prototype

2:13:50uh that that's being enacted which is

2:13:52great. I think what this does to borrow

2:13:55a not an engineer but they use the term

2:14:00form fit and function and I think this

2:14:04committee this this study will help us

2:14:07get what we're looking for just right.

2:14:11So maybe we need more square footage,

2:14:13maybe we need less, maybe we need more

2:14:15of this, less of that. Instead of just

2:14:17running at it, uh let's let's go there

2:14:21with a direction uh that's specific,

2:14:24it's measurable, it's achievable, um and

2:14:26all those great things. So I'll be

2:14:28supporting it. Thanks.

2:14:30>> Welcome, Alderman Clay.

2:14:35>> Thank you, Madam President. Um I I I

2:14:37want to say basically what what my last

2:14:40two colleagues have said are absolutely

2:14:42correct and um just to make a

2:14:44correction. It was a personnel committee

2:14:46not human affairs I believe. I could be

2:14:48wrong too. Um but in but in any case um

2:14:52you know I I think we do we do need to

2:14:54move forward. I think we're already

2:14:55working on the the proof of of of

2:14:58concept um as far as that with with

2:15:01Harbor Care. We're also one of the

2:15:04criticisms we had when we looked at 14

2:15:0714 Malberry Street was not just on the

2:15:10cost of the building and so on, but it

2:15:12was, you know, um what are the needs?

2:15:15How do you know what the needs are?

2:15:17While there are a lot of greater minds

2:15:19than mine that actually did know what

2:15:21the the the needs are, including certain

2:15:23alderman that are on this this board um

2:15:27do absolutely probably know where the

2:15:29gaps are and so on. But this is going to

2:15:32show all of us for those of us who don't

2:15:35know where all the gaps are, you know,

2:15:37based on what the nonprofits are saying.

2:15:41The nonprofits are going to say, "I do

2:15:42A, B, C, and D." And another one's going

2:15:44to say, "Well, I also do A, B, E, and

2:15:47F." So, we're going to see where the

2:15:49overlaps are. We're going to see what

2:15:52falls through those cracks, who can't

2:15:54follow what. And and I can tell you as a

2:15:56person who did the some HUD training um

2:16:00through the GNCOC executive committee um

2:16:04Nashville does have gaps. We do have we

2:16:07have gaps in policy. We um not not the

2:16:11city necessarily but the COC itself. Um

2:16:15and and I don't mean that as a negative

2:16:17because they too have to operate getting

2:16:21grant funding. they have to follow the

2:16:24um the rules and regulations of that

2:16:26which might mean that some of that

2:16:29funding does not cover some of these

2:16:31what we may find or may not find are

2:16:34gaps and then you know maybe the city

2:16:36has to kick in but I can't ask the

2:16:39taxpayers to blanketly believe me

2:16:42because we're learning more and more

2:16:44that they're have a lot of the wise you

2:16:46know and I mean this nothing against any

2:16:48of our constituents or the residents but

2:16:51you know, I do the same thing. Sometimes

2:16:53we're like a three-year-old child. Why?

2:16:56But why? But why? And those are good

2:16:59questions. It may be a simple word of

2:17:01why, but we need to answer that and we

2:17:03need to have the data to back it up. As

2:17:04my my last colleague, the last speaker

2:17:07um just just said, um I believe in

2:17:11working in committee too, which is why

2:17:13even last night I went to a committee

2:17:15that I'm not a member of so that you

2:17:18know we could talk so I could be part of

2:17:20that conversation, but I don't get to

2:17:22vote in that committee. So that doesn't

2:17:24mean that when certain legislation may

2:17:26come forward that I'm not going to say,

2:17:30you know, I I want a change in that or I

2:17:33wouldn't, but um or that I disagree with

2:17:36this and have more conversation because

2:17:38I'm not on that committee. Um and as one

2:17:41of the speakers said, sometimes you have

2:17:44to watch it on the um you know, the

2:17:46replay, so to speak. So um I think this

2:17:50helps move the ball forward. It's not

2:17:52the complete answer, but it's going to

2:17:54start to answer some of those why and

2:17:57how comes and where can we help. So, I I

2:18:00hope that uh um the the members of the

2:18:04board will put this forward. So, thank

2:18:06you,

2:18:07>> Alderman Lopez.

2:18:09>> So, I informally refer to this as the

2:18:11Susi maneuver, but there is a point in

2:18:14parliamentary procedure where basically

2:18:15you can be on the prevailing side of a

2:18:17vote and then move to reconsider. So, it

2:18:19is worth pointing out that sometimes in

2:18:21a committee where you go with the

2:18:23prevailing vote, it may be because you

2:18:25were trying to leave the back door open

2:18:26so that if more information became

2:18:28available or a change came about, it

2:18:31could be brought back. Um, so an

2:18:33indefinite postponement isn't really

2:18:35indefinite. Um, to that point, a lot of

2:18:39things have changed since we looked at

2:18:40this in just the last couple of weeks.

2:18:42we are picking up momentum and a lot of

2:18:45the concerns that I had were the doubts

2:18:47that people might have that they could

2:18:49more easily say well let's not move on

2:18:51this now because we have the study going

2:18:54that was what my concerns were initially

2:18:56I met with the maker of the mot of this

2:18:58uh proposed or maker of the motion um I

2:19:02met with uh Alderman Greg she expressed

2:19:04to me more detailed we had a very long

2:19:07conversation about what her intention

2:19:08was and that the intention wasn't to

2:19:10distract it was to enhance the

2:19:11conversation that was being had and I

2:19:14went into that committee meeting

2:19:15intending to support it and then I

2:19:17started to hear from my colleagues

2:19:18literally well this will give us a

2:19:20chance to look at information before we

2:19:22make decisions and from the perspective

2:19:25in that moment not knowing that we would

2:19:26have a demonstration project not knowing

2:19:29that we would have had a special

2:19:31aldermanic meeting that would you know

2:19:33move the needle much forward get

2:19:35everybody to actually commit for this

2:19:37things have changed since then and I

2:19:39don't just credit one side or the other

2:19:41I think I would certainly credit

2:19:42director Bagley and the mayor for

2:19:44pushing forward on the demonstration

2:19:46project. I would credit alderman Kelly

2:19:48for pushing for the special board of

2:19:50alderman meeting where we specifically

2:19:52tackled this issue. Alderman uh

2:19:54President Wilshshire for having it. I

2:19:55think we have all in our own ways tried

2:19:57to do what we could to approach this

2:20:00issue. And for people who might look to

2:20:04me for experience, I will say the gap is

2:20:07a moving target. It's always like you're

2:20:09trying to throw a dart at the dart board

2:20:11from a train moving one direction where

2:20:12the other one is moving too. Sometimes

2:20:14we have more substance abuse uh

2:20:16treatment programs. Sometimes we have

2:20:18less. Sometimes we have uh all kinds of

2:20:20affordable housing. Sometimes the

2:20:22affordable housing is being operated by

2:20:24people who you know aren't necessarily

2:20:26doing it above board. There are a lot of

2:20:28different things that can be going on.

2:20:30Even the housing which everyone

2:20:31unilaterally says we need more housing.

2:20:33That's definitely what's going on. was a

2:20:35study or study done earlier this week

2:20:37that nationally something like 13% of

2:20:39affordable housing is actually

2:20:40available. It's just not accessible for

2:20:43different reasons to people who are

2:20:44unsheltered. So a gap study does make

2:20:47sense and we have made progress where we

2:20:49can actually start taking a uh enough

2:20:52perspective to say okay what's our next

2:20:53move and how strategic can we be with

2:20:55it. Um so I intend to support the gap uh

2:20:59study committee. Um a lot of the

2:21:01concerns that I have haven't gone away.

2:21:04I still think we need to be very careful

2:21:05not to make perfect be the enemy of the

2:21:08good. But I also think having, you know,

2:21:11I'm going to lean into the the visual

2:21:13metaphors a little tonight. Even a blind

2:21:15squirrel can find a nut because it might

2:21:17be looking a different way. So there is

2:21:19value in a fresh viewpoint even if the

2:21:21person doesn't necessarily have the same

2:21:23background that other people might have.

2:21:25It doesn't mean that their their

2:21:28modality of interpretation isn't going

2:21:29to be valid and isn't going to yield

2:21:31something that was new and unique. And I

2:21:34don't think there's any nonprofits today

2:21:35that would say, "Oh, we don't want new

2:21:37solutions." So, if there's there's new

2:21:39resources, new ideas, and new even um

2:21:44stakeholders that could be brought to

2:21:46the table with this, then I'm in favor

2:21:47of it.

2:21:49I would caution as one final note though

2:21:52that um the timing can be a blessing and

2:21:54a curse because right now we're likely

2:21:56to have the most easily accessible

2:21:58number of people presenting. This is why

2:22:00the point in time count is always done

2:22:02at the end of January because in theory

2:22:04everybody's in shelters or closer to

2:22:07service areas. But we also struggled

2:22:10with the point in time count for years

2:22:12because we kept sending out volunteers

2:22:13to go do it during the daytime when no

2:22:15one was there. So, we have to meet

2:22:17people where they are, not where we

2:22:19think they're going to be or where we we

2:22:21hope they'll be. So, this may just be

2:22:23the first of many, many cuts, but at

2:22:26least it's a starting point. And so, I

2:22:27will support it.

2:22:29>> Alderman Tibo.

2:22:30>> Thank you, Madam Chair. Um, so I mean, I

2:22:33just get concerned with we're drawing up

2:22:35six sigma diagrams while people are out

2:22:36there starving. Like, that just to me is

2:22:39is

2:22:40I wish we were doing more right now in

2:22:43some way. Um, new solutions. I hope

2:22:45there are some new solutions out there

2:22:47just because I feel like the whole

2:22:49country's been struggling with this for

2:22:50a long time. It's just not NSHA and um I

2:22:53don't know why we don't have new

2:22:55solutions from other areas of the

2:22:56country that may work here. Um sounds

2:22:58like it's a diff obviously a complex and

2:23:02difficult situation that doesn't lead to

2:23:04easy solutions or else we would have

2:23:07them and other places would have them.

2:23:09Um,

2:23:11you know, I'm still not going to support

2:23:12this, but you know, I I do take offense

2:23:15to the whole committee thing. Sorry, new

2:23:18people. Um, you know, we have committees

2:23:20for a reason. I get that people who are

2:23:23proposing legislation can't always make

2:23:24it. Well, usually what we do is we table

2:23:26it. And even if the person does doesn't

2:23:29show up, we say, "Oh, the maker of the

2:23:30motion is not here. We should probably

2:23:31table it." Or if they can ask, we'll

2:23:33table it and we'll do it next month.

2:23:35it's not. Um, and so I and maybe that

2:23:39person has more information and then we

2:23:41can have a robust discussion about it

2:23:42instead of being here till, you know,

2:23:44midnight talking about it when we have

2:23:45all this other stuff to go through as

2:23:47well. So, I'm not opposed to working in

2:23:49this. I mean, you know, Alderman Senate

2:23:50said it great. He sent we sent something

2:23:53back that he wasn't happy with, but it

2:23:54came back and I thought I didn't support

2:23:56it, but then I supported it when it came

2:23:58back because he found a way to make it a

2:24:00better uh legislation that was palatable

2:24:03to the most people to get it passed. And

2:24:05I think sometimes that's the way you do

2:24:06it. And I I'm on board with that. But

2:24:09the committee work is important. If it's

2:24:10not, then we shouldn't have committees.

2:24:12Just come here, you know, three times a

2:24:14week and we'll just work on whatever is

2:24:15on the on the thing. But that's not what

2:24:17our our our ordinances and charter says.

2:24:19We have to work in things in committee.

2:24:21best we can and if we can't, we table

2:24:22them till the next time we can meet.

2:24:24That's it. It's not that difficult.

2:24:26We're all trying, we're all

2:24:27well-meaning, trying to get stuff passed

2:24:29that's helping people out there. At

2:24:31least I think we are. Um, we all want

2:24:33the same things, but you know, sometimes

2:24:36people go about it different ways. I'm

2:24:38sorry, but I think we should be doing

2:24:40more action right now and not waiting 90

2:24:42days to to do something. But I'm not

2:24:44supporting this. I know I'm going to

2:24:46lose, but it doesn't matter.

2:24:48>> Clemens. Thank you, Madam President. Um,

2:24:52I will just reiterate what I said at the

2:24:54beginning of this conversation, which

2:24:56was that uh in committee I voted for

2:25:01indefinite postponement because my fear

2:25:05was that this was going to be something

2:25:08that was going to interfere with the

2:25:11moving forward of um the resource center

2:25:15and that we were looking for information

2:25:17for that specifically. uh that is not

2:25:20the case. It's clearly not the case.

2:25:22We've moved forward on various pieces of

2:25:25that over the last meeting and this one.

2:25:27Um so, you know, and then so from that

2:25:32perspective, I think, you know, I again

2:25:36was originally one of the co-sponsors of

2:25:37this. I I agree with it. Um, and the

2:25:42other the the last part of it is is

2:25:44that, you know, it if something were to

2:25:47come along within the 90 days that

2:25:50that's going to be some kind of magic

2:25:51bullet, which I don't think is going to

2:25:53happen, but if it did, it would behoove

2:25:55all of us to to to do that regardless of

2:25:59what this committee is doing. Right? So

2:26:03again, I think um

2:26:07[clears throat]

2:26:08this isn't going to harm anything. And

2:26:11sometimes you have to look at things

2:26:12from that perspective like and I and I

2:26:15do that often um with legislation that I

2:26:19might be on the fence about and I look

2:26:22at it of well is this really going to

2:26:24harm anything? And initially I thought

2:26:26maybe it could. Um, but I I don't see

2:26:29that happening now. And at the very

2:26:32least, it's not going to harm anything.

2:26:33And what I do believe is that it is

2:26:35going to help and move a couple of uh

2:26:38pieces forward. So, for those reasons, I

2:26:41I will be supporting it uh this evening.

2:26:49Okay.

2:26:52Motion is for final passage. My roll

2:26:55call. Would the clerk please call the

2:26:57role?

2:26:58>> Alderman Clemens,

2:26:59>> yes.

2:27:00>> Alderman Cle,

2:27:02>> yes.

2:27:03>> Alderman Rean,

2:27:05>> yes.

2:27:07>> Aldwoman Smith,

2:27:09>> yes.

2:27:11>> Alderman Thibo,

2:27:12>> no.

2:27:15>> Alderman Greg,

2:27:16>> yes.

2:27:19>> Alderman Dow,

2:27:20>> yes.

2:27:24Alderman Sullivan,

2:27:25>> yes.

2:27:27>> Alderman Senate,

2:27:29>> yes.

2:27:30>> Alderman Johnson,

2:27:32>> yes.

2:27:33>> For the record, Aldwoman Kelly left the

2:27:35meeting at 9:43.

2:27:38Alderman Morgan,

2:27:40>> yes.

2:27:41>> Alderman Lopez,

2:27:42>> yes.

2:27:44>> Alderman Wilshshire,

2:27:46>> yes.

2:27:46>> 12 yays, one nay.

2:27:48>> That motion carries. And resolution 2649

2:27:52is declared duly adopted.

2:27:54New business resolutions.

2:27:56>> First reading of R-26-057

2:28:01approving the borrowing of an additional

2:28:03345,000

2:28:05from the Clean Water State Revolving

2:28:07Fund for the Four Hills Landfill PAS Lee

2:28:12removal in destruction pilot test

2:28:15project. Additional sponsors.

2:28:19Alderman Revan. Alderman Dow.

2:28:22Given its first reading, I'll Oh, I'm

2:28:24sorry. Alderman Cle. Alderman Cle. Given

2:28:28his first reading, I'll assign it to the

2:28:30budget review committee, the board of

2:28:31public works, and schedule a special

2:28:33board of alderman public hearing on

2:28:35Monday, September 28th, 2026 in the

2:28:37almanic chamber at 7 p.m.

2:28:40New business ordinances. First reading

2:28:43of O-26-024

2:28:45authorizing additional stop signs to

2:28:48make an all-way stop sign at the

2:28:50intersection of French Street and Abbott

2:28:52Street.

2:28:52>> Additional sponsors, Alderman Greg,

2:28:55Alderman Dow, Alderman Senate, Alderman

2:28:57Lopez,

2:29:00Alderman Smith

2:29:02given his first reading. I'll assign

2:29:03that to the committee on infrastructure

2:29:05and the city engineer.

2:29:08Period. for general public comment. We

2:29:10have two people signed up this evening.

2:29:13Lori Ordolano,

2:29:22Lori Oralano, Nshawa. I want to talk

2:29:25about the um legislation that was

2:29:27proposed for Zoom access for people with

2:29:29disabilities. Um I was at the meeting

2:29:31last night and I was pretty wholly

2:29:33disappointed with what I witnessed and

2:29:35what went down.

2:29:36You know, Paula Johnson proposed this

2:29:38leg legislation and she got stonewalled

2:29:41the whole way through. Um the concept

2:29:44that the personnel and administrative

2:29:46affairs committee would tell her, "You

2:29:48can't take something off the table

2:29:50because you got to go through the chair

2:29:51first." It was absurd. There was

2:29:53unnecessary delay in that. This

2:29:56legislation has been on the table or

2:29:58been brought forward for 7 months. Okay,

2:30:01I just listened to John Sullivan say

2:30:03policyy's a journey. This never got a

2:30:05policy journey. It never really got

2:30:07addressed properly. I heard Derek Tipo

2:30:10say, "I'm impatient. I don't want to

2:30:12wait three months for something to get

2:30:13done." This has been 7 months and it

2:30:16never got done because it wasn't treated

2:30:18with any respect. Last night, I was

2:30:21stunned at the end of the meeting when

2:30:22Ben Clemens opened a comment up for

2:30:24Attorney Bolton after I spoke. The

2:30:27meeting was essentially over to ask him

2:30:29what he thought and he said that Dory

2:30:31and he had talked and they didn't

2:30:32support Paula's legislation. They didn't

2:30:35think it was right. Well, what the hell?

2:30:38She went in and had meetings with them.

2:30:41She spoke with her. Dory signed her name

2:30:44to the legislation. There was no memo.

2:30:46And I read the letters that came in the

2:30:48analysis that said from Dory Clark, I'm

2:30:50concerned about your legislation. I

2:30:52don't think it's broad enough. This was

2:30:55a total flop. My question is for the two

2:30:57people that have submitted letters to

2:30:59the ADA compliance officer in this city,

2:31:01Ross Dugis, what happens to them. The

2:31:04one of them has been on the table 30

2:31:06days. Can they get access to Zoom? Do

2:31:09you need to have an ordinance in the

2:31:11city to allow Zoom access? I don't think

2:31:13so because I think you have federal law.

2:31:15So, I think they ought to be acted on

2:31:16and get their Zoom access right now. You

2:31:19guys go back and figure out. But at this

2:31:21point, I see too much axe grinding with

2:31:24m one member of the board who tries to

2:31:26do something, Miss Johnson, who gets

2:31:28stonewalled and delayed and pushed out

2:31:31with BS stuff from every different

2:31:34person because she's not liked and she's

2:31:36there's an there's an axe to grind with

2:31:38attorney Bolton with her. So, I hope

2:31:40that Amber Morgan or one of you other

2:31:42people can pick up this legislation. I

2:31:45would happily support you doing it. Go

2:31:47in and meet with them. I wouldn't

2:31:48recommend Dory Clark. Try to pull this

2:31:51off the table. Get it written broadly

2:31:53enough using federal title 2

2:31:55regulations. Get it labeled and put out

2:31:58there. I looked at this because I

2:32:00thought this was really a nobrainer. I

2:32:02really did. I mean, I follow right to

2:32:05know, you know, New Hampshire. I follow

2:32:06what's going on in Massachusetts. They

2:32:09have opened Zoom meetings for people

2:32:11with disabilities for five years. It

2:32:14It's been going on forever. I think have

2:32:16Dory Clark have attorney Bolton contact

2:32:19Massachusetts to find out how they do

2:32:21it. But I am frustrated and I just want

2:32:24somebody to tell me what happens to the

2:32:26people who signed up who went through

2:32:29the ADA officer. Now, what happens to

2:32:31them? Do they have to go file a lawsuit

2:32:33to get it? Why can't we service them?

2:32:35>> Times up.

2:32:37Thank you.

2:32:39Remarks by members of the board. I'm

2:32:40going to start over here. Did

2:32:42>> uh do we have somebody else speaking?

2:32:44>> Uh we do, but he's not here.

2:32:46>> Oh, sorry.

2:32:47>> Sorry. No, that's that's fine.

2:32:48>> Um yes. Thank you, um Madame President.

2:32:51So, I want to start uh this evening.

2:32:55Well, first I will just say I have no

2:32:58hard feelings with Alderman Johnson, so

2:33:00I don't know where where that came from.

2:33:02But anyway, uh but I I do want to say um

2:33:07I want to thank the city clerk for a

2:33:10wonderful election run. Um you know, we

2:33:13had um it was a success by all means.

2:33:18Um, and uh, I want to thank the

2:33:20hardworking uh, poll workers out there

2:33:24um, who worked a long 14 plus hour day

2:33:29and uh, and of course thank everybody

2:33:31who came out to vote. It's uh, super

2:33:33important and um, you know, hopefully

2:33:37um, you all and you all come out again

2:33:40in November and bring some friends with

2:33:42you as well. Um,

2:33:45one one other thing too I I wanted to um

2:33:53actually

2:33:55it slipped my mind. So I will leave that

2:33:57at that and we've had a long enough

2:33:59meeting. Good night [laughter]

2:34:02>> Alderman Tibo. Oh I'm sorry I missed

2:34:05somebody. Alderman Cle.

2:34:10>> Thank you Madam President. Um, I I too

2:34:13want to say I have no issues with um um

2:34:16Alderman Johnson. Um I've enjoyed

2:34:18working with her. She and I um have

2:34:20worked on legislation that she uh I and

2:34:24um Alderman Clemens will be sponsoring.

2:34:27Um we're waiting for the state to make

2:34:28up their mind as to what's going to

2:34:30happen before we can move further on

2:34:32certain certain aspects of it. But we've

2:34:34had a lot of meetings. Um she's even

2:34:36said how much she's enjoyed working um

2:34:39um with me as as I have with her. So, um

2:34:42I I don't think that should be put out

2:34:44that way that we don't just because we

2:34:45don't always agree with each other

2:34:47doesn't mean that we don't like each

2:34:48other or that we have any other issues

2:34:50with each other. I think that's a

2:34:52fallacy that being put forward um

2:34:54erroneously. Um I too want to uh thank

2:34:57all the election workers. I stayed at

2:35:00the polls in W 3 until the final count

2:35:03was done and they completely had broken

2:35:05everything up. They had done everything.

2:35:07they they got all their paperwork

2:35:09together and so on. And I knew that that

2:35:11was not the end of the night. I knew

2:35:13that that paperwork and so on had to be

2:35:15brought to um our city clerk and um I

2:35:18know our city clerk was truly working on

2:35:22um just complete adrenaline. Uh I spoke

2:35:25to him through the night and uh was

2:35:28amazed still at how much energy he had

2:35:30at uh like 8 8:30 at night and he needed

2:35:34to go back to uh city hall to start

2:35:37receiving numbers and and so on. So um

2:35:40but all of the workers, those that were

2:35:42elected to work the uh polls as well as

2:35:45those who volunteered to work at the

2:35:46polls, I am grateful to all of them. And

2:35:49I can say word three went through very

2:35:51smoothly and it was an amazing crew and

2:35:54I've heard the same thing about about

2:35:56all of that. I also want to clarify um

2:35:59that the this legislation that was

2:36:02talked about in public comment, it did

2:36:04not always get tabled um because of the

2:36:09committee's questions or so on. It was

2:36:12voluntarily tabled by the maker of that

2:36:14um as well as this last one. And I think

2:36:17that when it comes back this next time,

2:36:20um it may be more palatable and that

2:36:22it's going to be more broader um to

2:36:24those who have true disabilities um and

2:36:27not just certain disabilities. So um I I

2:36:31will still have anxiety about it because

2:36:33of of I feel that it's going to go

2:36:35broader, but that's a conversation for

2:36:37another day. Um thank you, Madam

2:36:39President.

2:36:40>> Alderman Tele.

2:36:41>> Thank you, Madam President. Um, I want

2:36:43to defend Alderman Alderwoman Kelly

2:36:45because she's not on the call here to

2:36:47defend herself. So, um, the personnel

2:36:50committee did not tell somebody that

2:36:52they could not bring something up.

2:36:54>> Correct.

2:36:54>> Uh, or that we wouldn't listen, we

2:36:59put it on the table ourselves. We voted.

2:37:02It wasn't told that they couldn't do it.

2:37:03We voted that way. And looking back on

2:37:05it, Alderman Clemens said it last night

2:37:07and I I might agree with that too, that,

2:37:09you know, in the future we probably

2:37:10should just talk about it whether we

2:37:12have the information we need or not and

2:37:14then table it afterwards and then we can

2:37:16go go back to it. That's probably the

2:37:17right way to do it. But no one said you

2:37:19could not do that. So I want to make

2:37:22that clear. Although woman Kelly did not

2:37:24say that, but we ask for courtesy

2:37:26whenever you're chairing a committee if

2:37:28you're going to take something off the

2:37:29table. It's helpful to know ahead of

2:37:31time so we can prepare for it or we can

2:37:33bring in corporation counsel if we need

2:37:34to or a guest speaker from the city that

2:37:36can help us determine something so we

2:37:38don't have to keep tableabling

2:37:39something. So it was just asking a

2:37:41courtesy. It wasn't saying you couldn't

2:37:43do it. Um so that was just wrong. Um and

2:37:46then to Alderman Cle's point a couple of

2:37:48times she did put it back last night for

2:37:50instance she put it back on the table to

2:37:51get it. So there's a little bit of both

2:37:53there. It was put back on the table but

2:37:54we did deny it at one point and we put

2:37:57it back on the table. So, um, I just

2:37:59wanted to clear that up and make it

2:38:01sound like that that that was not what

2:38:03we were doing. Um, the other thing I

2:38:05just wanted to mention is is I want to

2:38:07make sure that we're not breaking quorum

2:38:09rules by going and talking about

2:38:10legislation to more than whatever our

2:38:12quorum is. Seven, I guess, eight. Um, I

2:38:15feel like a lot of people are having

2:38:17conversations about legislation and even

2:38:18Alderman Lopez said it tonight. I

2:38:20haven't sat down with Alderman Greg. I

2:38:22want to be careful we're not breaking

2:38:23rules. And I know we talked earlier

2:38:24about who cares about committees and

2:38:26this and that. We have rules in the

2:38:27chamber and we should be following what

2:38:28what they are. We can't just come in

2:38:30here and start doing different things.

2:38:32Um I mean I talked to one person about

2:38:34the legislation last night that said

2:38:35they were going to vote my way and voted

2:38:36the other way. So it you know I didn't

2:38:38vote I didn't go to eight people though

2:38:40or seven people or even five people. I

2:38:42went to one um and I just asked what

2:38:44they were doing. I did not ask to

2:38:45discuss the legislation. So I just want

2:38:47to make sure we're clear on that we're

2:38:49doing the right things because we're

2:38:51going to get ourselves in trouble with

2:38:52the the RSA and and the right to know.

2:38:54So that's it. Thanks.

2:38:56>> Y

2:38:58>> Alderman Greg.

2:38:58>> Um thank you and I just wanted to thank

2:39:00all of my colleagues tonight for the um

2:39:03passionate conversation and I think it

2:39:05shows really how much care this board

2:39:07has for our city. I think um all of us

2:39:10were elected to be here. We all

2:39:12represent a bunch of people. And so, you

2:39:15know, hearing the different opinions

2:39:16that just fine-tunes exactly what we're

2:39:18doing. It fine-tunes legislation. It

2:39:20fine-tunes our direction. And I think

2:39:22it's really important especially when we

2:39:24disagree because when we're disagreeing

2:39:26we're finding those pieces that oh we

2:39:28can work on that better. Um you know

2:39:30even in committee that's sometimes what

2:39:32comes out of committee with legislation

2:39:34is that well I I hadn't really thought

2:39:36of that and you know you go back and

2:39:38think about that we're all human. So I

2:39:40just wanted to say thank you to Mike. Of

2:39:42course, I have to thank Dan Haley, Clerk

2:39:44Haley, um because I don't want to not

2:39:47thank you too for the election uh

2:39:49running so smoothly. But also, I want to

2:39:51thank each of my um colleagues in here

2:39:53for your work, for your dedication to

2:39:55this city and for the spirited

2:39:57discussions that we get to have. I think

2:39:59that's when we're doing our best policy

2:40:01work. So, thank you.

2:40:04>> Sullivan,

2:40:06>> thank you. Uh to city clerk Healey, uh I

2:40:09don't use this word often, but flawless.

2:40:12I thought Tuesday was flawless.

2:40:15Nice job. Five stars. Um so well done. I

2:40:20thought, uh the poll pads were great. Uh

2:40:23really cruised through. So uh congrats

2:40:26and um and kudos to you. Um I think that

2:40:30uh tonight we we talked about uh what

2:40:33happens in committee and what doesn't

2:40:34happen in committee. I was watching uh

2:40:37the committee last night uh I wasn't

2:40:40aware that uh the or that that ordinance

2:40:42has has been sitting there for seven

2:40:45months.

2:40:47I understand I did say earlier that good

2:40:50policy is a journey but I don't think we

2:40:53wanted to starve to death on that

2:40:54journey. I just think that's a long time

2:40:57uh for that to happen. But as long as

2:41:00something good comes out of it I guess

2:41:04that's fine. Um, and then I'll wrap by

2:41:08uh saying that tomorrow

2:41:11uh pause for a second. Uh 25 years ago

2:41:14was a dark day in our country. And um

2:41:16it's interesting that two of my children

2:41:19were not even born uh when that

2:41:21happened. So to explain to them, to show

2:41:25them to uh you know they they didn't

2:41:28know a world before

2:41:31uh 911 2001. So, it is interesting to

2:41:35kind of see it through their eyes and uh

2:41:38witness the horror uh and how frightened

2:41:42everybody was and how united we were on

2:41:45September 12th. And it's a shame where

2:41:48we are today, but um take tomorrow to

2:41:51pause for a second and um

2:41:55>> yeah, I'll just leave it there. Thank

2:41:56you,

2:41:57>> Alman. Well, thank you, Madam President.

2:42:00Um I I certainly want to join the chorus

2:42:03of voices. is uh thanking our city clerk

2:42:05Dan Healey for his um his tireless work

2:42:10uh yesterday and and really with all our

2:42:11elections. Um I know I'm not the only

2:42:14alderman uh sitting here who has done a

2:42:17multitude of those, but it's a long day.

2:42:20Um I want to give a special shout out to

2:42:22the uh the crew at W 7. Um

2:42:26W 7 doesn't usually turn out too many

2:42:29voters. We we beat a couple wards, but

2:42:31um but immaculate work as always um to

2:42:36Judy and the whole team over there. Um

2:42:39they're doing really good things. I went

2:42:41in to vote later than I typically vote

2:42:43during the day. I didn't get in until

2:42:45after 7:00

2:42:47when and I expected to see a lot of long

2:42:49and tired faces and there was still a

2:42:51lot of energy in the room. So, um,

2:42:54they've got a dedicated group and

2:42:55they're doing good things. And like

2:42:57always, it was very smooth in and out.

2:43:00So, um, keep up the good work. Um, and

2:43:04you as well, uh, City Clerk Healey, I

2:43:06know W 7 finished up at about 11:45 on

2:43:10Tuesday night, which, um, having done

2:43:13the 2018 midterm and not getting home

2:43:15till 1:30 in the morning, I was a little

2:43:17jealous of, but, [snorts]

2:43:19>> good on them. That just means they've

2:43:20improved since I've been there. So,

2:43:22>> [laughter]

2:43:23>> Um and yeah, um to Alderman Sullivan's

2:43:27point, you know, it's it's [cough]

2:43:30kind of surreal to think that it's been

2:43:3225 years, um since the attacks on

2:43:34America in 2001.

2:43:36Um

2:43:38I was in high school [laughter]

2:43:40and certainly nobody thought I'd be

2:43:42sitting here, but um uh definitely take

2:43:45a moment. I I believe there is a

2:43:48ceremony at the um East Hall Street um

2:43:51fire station to I believe it's at 9:00

2:43:53a.m. Uh if anybody's interested in

2:43:56seeing that. I know they do a nice uh

2:43:59somber recognition every year. So that's

2:44:02all we've got tonight. Thank you,

2:44:03>> Alman Johnson.

2:44:05>> Thank you very much. I've been pretty

2:44:06quiet tonight. Um I have to say this was

2:44:09kind of a hard day for me things. Um

2:44:11first of all, I'd like to thank uh Mr.

2:44:14Healey for um great job. Ward five, I

2:44:18love when I go in there get I have like

2:44:19a welcoming committee, you know, when I

2:44:21go in there. Everybody's great. Um thank

2:44:24all the candidates who ran. I know I

2:44:27wrote myself in for state rep. I figured

2:44:29what the heck, [laughter] you know. Not

2:44:31that I want to be a state. I just

2:44:32figured what the heck I'm It was like

2:44:34the first time I'm not on the ballot

2:44:36[laughter] for state rep. So I did that.

2:44:39Um, I just want to say to people, you

2:44:41know, when we're in committee and we

2:44:42have discussions, we can agree to

2:44:44disagree and we walk out, you know, and

2:44:47that's where you kind of get a little

2:44:48bit heated, you know, in the comm

2:44:50because you're you're fighting for

2:44:51something you believe in and then when

2:44:54it's open and done with, you know, you

2:44:56agree to disagree and you walk out and

2:44:58and you you respect everybody again. Um,

2:45:03I'm not happy with some of the comments

2:45:05that was said about my um, ordinance. I

2:45:09will be meeting with Attorney Clark on

2:45:12Monday and I'm going to sit down and go

2:45:14over the whole ADA title two and make

2:45:17sure it's referenced correctly.

2:45:20Okay, it has been in committee longer

2:45:22than it should be, but I tabled it

2:45:25because I figured it's better than to

2:45:26have it indefinitely postponed. I did

2:45:29come in and take it off the table

2:45:30because I had additional information. I

2:45:32laid it right back on the table and then

2:45:34we're waiting for the legal opinion. And

2:45:37I figured with the legal opinion that

2:45:38would have been it. And I do apologize.

2:45:41It's not like something didn't happen in

2:45:43my life, you know, [snorts] five weeks

2:45:44ago. So, I'm kind of like a little bit

2:45:47behind the eightball trying to get

2:45:49caught up on life here. Um, I would like

2:45:52to also thank everybody again for all

2:45:53the condolence cards and all the prayers

2:45:56and everything. And this community has

2:45:58just been great um to me. And I mean I'm

2:46:02sure Alderman Clemens feels the same

2:46:04way. And he checks up on me when I see

2:46:06him. How are you doing? I go one day at

2:46:08a time. I know what he says.

2:46:10>> And I just want to end with this. Where

2:46:12was I on 911 25 years ago? I was sitting

2:46:15on the board of education. I was at the

2:46:18Bavo dealer lovering Babo and someone

2:46:21said to me, "Oh, a plane is going

2:46:23through the World Trade Center." Well,

2:46:25as we all hear my accent, I'm from New

2:46:27York. I grew up in that area. I've been

2:46:29in the world was in the World Trade

2:46:31Center several times and the restaurant

2:46:33at the top. And I don't like heights in

2:46:35a building like that. And my comments

2:46:37were, "They don't go through the

2:46:39building. They go around." And then when

2:46:41I realized what was happening, I ran

2:46:44over to the school district. I asked for

2:46:47my youngest one to be removed from

2:46:49elementary school. And I think I asked

2:46:51for my u middle son in middle school.

2:46:53The oldest one I think was in high

2:46:55school. You probably know what grade

2:46:56were you in all the

2:46:58>> I I had I was actually in college at

2:46:59that time.

2:46:59>> Oh, college. Well, maybe it was, you

2:47:01know, you're around the same age as my

2:47:03oldest one, my middle one. We keep

2:47:04talking about that. And I remember

2:47:08um Mr. Giuliano saying to me, the

2:47:10superintendent, you can't take your kids

2:47:12out of school. What is what are people

2:47:15going to think? You're on the board of

2:47:16ed. And I turned to him and I said, my

2:47:19kids are safer with me than any place

2:47:21else. I'd like to end with that and say

2:47:23my condolences still to everybody who

2:47:26lost family members on 9/11. It was such

2:47:28a tragedy for this country and I hope we

2:47:30learn from that. Thank you,

2:47:33>> Alman Morgan.

2:47:35>> Thank you, Madam Chair. Um I too would

2:47:37like to thank our city clerk and all the

2:47:40poll workers and all the candidates um

2:47:42that were brave enough to to come

2:47:44forward and put their names on the

2:47:46ballot whether they got the desired

2:47:49outcome that they want or did not. Um,

2:47:51and also to echo my support for Alderman

2:47:54Johnson's legislation. Um, when you

2:47:57first proposed it, it was a no-brainer

2:47:59to me, and I still feel like it's a

2:48:02no-brainer. Um I did watch some of the

2:48:06comments from uh yesterday's uh meeting

2:48:10and just wanted to reiterate that

2:48:14what happened in 2020 with COVID and and

2:48:16the tech and the zoom and the learning

2:48:18curve and all of that. Um that was six

2:48:20years ago. Tech is so much different

2:48:21than it than it was then. Um and I know

2:48:25that my colleague has already worked

2:48:27with our ID department and already has a

2:48:30solution for that. Um, so whatever you

2:48:33need, happy to support and and make that

2:48:35happen. Um, and that is it. Have a good

2:48:38night.

2:48:40>> Alderman Lopez.

2:48:41>> Um, so first I wanted to thank the mayor

2:48:43for his efforts to reduce the budget by

2:48:45shortening these meetings, just cranking

2:48:47the air conditioning up at night so we

2:48:48get out faster. Really subtle, but I

2:48:50noticed it. [clears throat] Um, I wanted

2:48:52to thank the poll workers at Ward 4. Um,

2:48:54we had a a a larger than average

2:48:56turnout, which was great. Um, so I want

2:48:58to thank all the voters for showing up,

2:48:59too. Um, I also want to thank our our W

2:49:01four resident, uh, Paige, uh, Bushman

2:49:04for running. Um, she didn't win a race.

2:49:06Um, and I I personally support her

2:49:09opponent, but I really respect the

2:49:12willingness to follow your convictions

2:49:14to the extent they're willing to take on

2:49:15a campaign of that magnitude. Um, it

2:49:18takes the kind of a lot of courage and a

2:49:20lot of uh fortitude, I think, to think

2:49:22of yourself as running on that that

2:49:23stage. Um, and she did. So, I think

2:49:26regardless of the outcome, nobody can

2:49:28take that away from her. Um, and then,

2:49:30uh, finally, I want to acknowledge Art

2:49:32City. Um, it was

2:49:34stirring as an idea around the block

2:49:36party. I first started hearing about it.

2:49:38Um, I was aware of, uh, Corey, who is

2:49:41known by the artist's name Quest 9. Um,

2:49:44she did the murals up at the end of the

2:49:45library, walk by the library. Um, and

2:49:47now she's overseen murals that have

2:49:49basically re um, renovated, I guess, um,

2:49:53many of the buildings on the uh, on the

2:49:56rail trail. So, I encourage my fellow

2:49:57alderman to go take a look at the

2:49:59diversity, the talent, the quality. Um,

2:50:01it was a tremendous experience seeing an

2:50:04a real art festival, mural festival

2:50:06spreading throughout the tree streets.

2:50:07It's something we worked for years uh to

2:50:10build uh a positive street art and never

2:50:12quite accomplished in that particular

2:50:14way. And it's something that I was

2:50:15working for years uh in the Tree Streets

2:50:17block party to try to build that kind of

2:50:19local amenity for residents to feel

2:50:21proud. And she knocked it out of the

2:50:24park the first year. And I know that

2:50:25came from the heart. I know that she put

2:50:28a lot of herself into that um both

2:50:31literally and financially. Um she's a

2:50:34gifted artist and a great leader and I

2:50:35think I'm really proud to have her in

2:50:36our communities. Thank you.

2:50:39>> I'd like to uh just say that I remember

2:50:41911 as a tragedy obviously, but unlike

2:50:46Alderman Sullivan, my son had just

2:50:49dropped him off a week earlier in

2:50:51Washington DC, two blocks from the

2:50:53Pentagon.

2:50:55So that was um that was his first um you

2:50:59know first year of college and uh it was

2:51:02it was rough. Um I would also like to

2:51:05thank Cler Healey and all the ward

2:51:08workers and pole workers for all the

2:51:09hard work they did. Um it was a great

2:51:13job as always. And I would also like to

2:51:16mention my relationship with Alderman

2:51:18Johnson. [laughter]

2:51:20We don't agree on a lot of things, but I

2:51:23respect her

2:51:25>> and that's what it's really about. We We

2:51:26don't have to agree on everything to

2:51:28show respect. So, okay. Committee

2:51:32announcements.

2:51:34>> Alman Tebo.

2:51:35>> Yeah. PEDC is canceled next week.

2:51:39>> All doubt.

2:51:40>> Joint special is next Monday at North at

2:51:425:30.

2:51:45>> That's it.

2:51:48Okay. Alderman Clemens.

2:51:51>> Motion to adjourn by roll call.

2:51:53>> Motion to adjourn. Would the clerk

2:51:55please call the role?

2:51:56>> Alderman Clemens.

2:51:58>> Yes.

2:51:58>> Alderman Cle.

2:52:00>> Yes.

2:52:02>> Alderman Rean,

2:52:04>> yes.

2:52:04>> Aldwoman Smith,

2:52:07>> yes.

2:52:08>> Alderman,

2:52:09>> no.

2:52:12>> Alderman Greg,

2:52:13>> yes. Please.

2:52:14>> Alderman Dow,

2:52:16>> yes. Alderman Sullivan.

2:52:18>> Yes, sir.

2:52:19>> Alderman Senate,

2:52:20>> oh yes.

2:52:21>> Alderman Johnson,

2:52:22>> yes.

2:52:23>> Alderman Morgan,

2:52:25>> yes.

2:52:26>> Alderman Lopez,

2:52:27>> no.

2:52:29>> Alderman Wilshshire,

2:52:30>> yes.

2:52:31>> 11 yays, two nays.

2:52:34>> Motion carries and we are journed at

2:52:3610:23 p.m. Thanks for a great meeting

2:52:38everyone.

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