2026-10-27 - Board of Aldermen

00:0127th, 2026 at 7:30 p.m. in the

00:04Aldermanic Chamber, which has been duly

00:06noticed in two places including the

00:08city's website in accordance with the

00:09requirements of an RSA 91A.

00:12The prayer tonight will be offered by

00:13City Clerk Dan Healy and Alderman Tibo

00:15will lead us in the pledge to the flag.

00:18>> Almighty God, we have the high honor and

00:20the serious duty to manage the affairs

00:23of our beloved city. Fill us, oh God,

00:25with a spirit of unity and understanding

00:28which enables us to face our multiple

00:30problems with serene mind, with justice

00:32and charity for all, so that any and all

00:35decisions made by us will always be for

00:38the betterment and greater happiness of

00:40all our fellow citizens. So help us,

00:42God. Amen.

00:44>> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the

00:47United States of America and to the

00:49republic for which it stands, one nation

00:52under God, indivisible, with liberty and

00:55justice for all.

01:04>> Let's start the meeting by taking a roll

01:06call attendance, please.

01:07>> Alderman Clemens.

01:08>> Here.

01:09>> Alderman Clee.

01:10>> Here.

01:11>> Alderman Ravan.

01:13>> Here.

01:14>> Alderwoman Smith.

01:17Alderman Tibo.

01:18>> Here.

01:19>> Alderman O'Brien.

01:21>> Present.

01:23>> Alderman Gregg.

01:24>> Here.

01:25>> Alderman Dowd.

01:26>> Present.

01:27>> Alderman Sullivan.

01:28>> Here.

01:30>> Alderman Sennett.

01:31>> Here.

01:32>> Alderman Johnson.

01:33>> Present.

01:35>> Alderwoman Kelly.

01:36>> Here.

01:37>> Alderman Morgan.

01:38>> Here.

01:39>> Alderman Lopez.

01:41>> Here.

01:42>> Alderman Wilshire.

01:43>> Here.

01:44>> 14 present, one absent.

01:46>> I did hear from Alde- Alderwoman Smith.

01:48She is not feeling well and will not be

01:49joining us this evening. Also joining us

01:52this evening is Corporation Counsel

01:54Steve Bolton.

01:55We will skip right down to

01:58Well, Well, mayor's on Zoom. Okay.

02:00>> That's weird.

02:02>> And Mayor Denches.

02:04Mayor, did you wish to address the board

02:05this evening?

02:06>> Yes, thank you, Madam President.

02:09Um

02:10first,

02:11while we're all here and while hopefully

02:12everybody listening will go out and vote

02:15on

02:17next Tuesday, a week from today. This

02:18is, of course, a very critical election

02:21and as usual, we want everyone to vote.

02:25Uh City Clerk Dan Healy and his staff,

02:27as well as all of our ward workers,

02:30uh

02:31are well organized and I'm sure we'll

02:33run a smooth election, so people should

02:35uh

02:36again, just go out and vote uh

02:38and express your preference

02:41uh

02:42through the voting process.

02:44But, Madam President, I also wanted to

02:46mention um

02:47026-002,

02:49which

02:50is the ordinance which authorizes people

02:54with disabilities to attend meetings by

02:57Zoom.

02:58Uh and do public comment.

03:01Um the reason I've sent uh this or

03:04brought this back to the board via this

03:07veto message

03:09is that

03:10uh

03:10the ordinance as written does not

03:13require a connection between the dis- or

03:16or relationship between the disability

03:19and the

03:20inability to attend a meeting.

03:22Now, the ADA under the ADA, there needs

03:24to be this kind of relationship. In

03:26other words, if a person

03:28you know,

03:29uh put had a particular disability which

03:31made it impossible for them to attend,

03:34they would, of course, be entitled to

03:37uh

03:38attend by Zoom.

03:39Uh but

03:41the example that Attorney Bolton has

03:43given,

03:44uh for example, if someone was disabled

03:46because of color blindness,

03:49that wouldn't neces- that wouldn't

03:51enable them to appear by Zoom because

03:53there would be nothing that prevents

03:54them from coming to the meeting in

03:56person.

03:57So, what I've done, and you see it uh

04:00attached to the message, is a

04:03a version that would incorporate include

04:05the same version was passed with a

04:06little bit additional language. That

04:09would um

04:10uh make the need for this relationship

04:13between the disability and

04:16uh

04:16an inability to attend clear.

04:19I understand there might be a couple of

04:20other um sort of technical amendments as

04:23well.

04:24Uh but I hope the board will

04:26uh consider the amendment I have

04:28suggested.

04:29Um and any others that come forth and in

04:32your

04:34uh

04:35your pleasure um uh

04:37pass an ordinance that I think more

04:39closely conforms with the ABA.

04:42Uh in any event uh that is all I have uh

04:45unless there are questions uh Madam

04:47President.

04:49>> Responsive to the remarks of the mayor.

04:51Any questions for the mayor?

04:53Seeing none.

04:55Recognition period.

04:57>> None.

04:57>> Reading minutes of previous meetings.

04:59There being no objection, I'll declare

05:00the minutes of the special and regular

05:02Board of Aldermen meetings of March

05:0424th, 2026 be accepted, placed on file,

05:06and the reading suspended.

05:08Communications requiring only procedural

05:10actions and written reports from

05:12liaisons.

05:13>> Communication has been received from

05:15Owen Flynn, General Counsel, John

05:17Flatley Company regarding request to

05:20purchase city-owned parcels.

05:22>> Without objection, I'll accept the

05:23communication and refer it to the

05:24Committee on Infrastructure.

05:26>> I object.

05:28>> Okay.

05:31So noted.

05:33>> Communication has been received from

05:35Mayor Jim Donchess regarding veto of

05:37O-26-002

05:41so that it can be amended and passed.

05:43And communication has been received from

05:46Lisa Foto, Director of Public Works,

05:48regarding referral from Board of

05:49Aldermen R-26-062.

05:54>> Seeing no objection, I'll accept the

05:55communications and place them on file.

05:57Period for public comment relative to

05:58items expected to be acted upon this

06:00evening. We have two people signed up.

06:03Laurie Ordelano.

06:15Lori Ordelano, Nashua. Um with regard to

06:18the uh amendment or the veto from the

06:20mayor on the um Zoom access, you know, I

06:23would like to see your NRO section

06:2650-11,

06:28which is article 5 grievance procedures

06:30for persons with disability adopted

06:32through ordinance O-21 O-29 amended,

06:36because in there it tells you that you

06:38have an appeal right to go to the mayor,

06:40but you have to appeal within 15 days,

06:42but it doesn't say when the mayor has to

06:44respond. And [clears throat] I think a

06:46date should be put in there that he has

06:47to respond within 15 days or 30 days.

06:51You know, I've been an advocate for the

06:52one individual that asked and wrote to

06:56have Zoom access.

06:58And I can't tell you how upsetting it

07:00has been for the senior citizen who has

07:02a legitimate disability.

07:04Um she filed an appeal on the 30th of

07:07September and to the mayor because she

07:10received two letters, essentially the

07:13last one a rejection, and she went to

07:15the mayor on appeal looking up this um

07:18NRO,

07:19and she never received a response.

07:22And I don't know when she's supposed to

07:23receive a response.

07:25And I can't tell you how hopping mad she

07:27is. You know, I'm not afraid to use

07:30vulgar language, but her expression

07:32towards the mayor on the phone was very

07:35vulgar and disgusted that she could not

07:38get him to respond.

07:40I think your ordinance needs more

07:42amending,

07:43and I think it was really grossly

07:45handled by the uh legal office,

07:47mishandled.

07:49Um I think that Fred Teeboom sent

07:51something into the board that was better

07:53written, and I really think that Ben

07:56Clements made a very honorable attempt,

07:59so did you, to try and fix everything,

08:02but you didn't have the support from

08:03legal that you deserved.

08:05And I think you need to define um what

08:09documentation is because that's a big

08:12confusing question for people. Are you

08:14diving into their protected rights and

08:17their HIPAA rights?

08:19Can they write documentation themselves?

08:21Remember, there's no legal analysis

08:23connected to this ordinance any longer.

08:26It changed a lot and nobody ordered

08:28legal to do the analysis. So, I think

08:31you have to define documentation. I also

08:34think you have to open it up beyond a

08:37Zoom access to the Board of Aldermen

08:39meeting, period. It should be opened to

08:42all meetings um of the Standing

08:44Committees of the Board or any meeting

08:47that has Zoom access. Give them the

08:49opportunity to be heard. It's not a big

08:52deal. Um so, I think there is more work

08:55to do and I got the impression from the

08:56mayor that there's some other uh things

08:58that are going to be offered and I hope

09:00that those are some of the things that

09:01are going to be offered. Regarding all

09:03of the spending um resolutions that came

09:06out last night and I was pretty vocal

09:07about not wanting to see any money spent

09:10on bonding. Um I think we got a real

09:13problem in our city when it comes to how

09:15our city government is run and I'd like

09:17to see a vote of no confidence for Tom

09:19Cummings [clears throat] and Alderman

09:21and um Attorney Bolton.

09:23This city has been led down the wrong

09:25path for a very long time.

09:27And um you are unable to hire in this

09:30city. Where do we stand a third of the

09:32way through the year when it comes to

09:34open positions and making people

09:37comfortable and making this a a nice

09:39work environment for people to come and

09:41work. I don't think it exists. And the

09:43shiny new penny philosophy of bonding

09:45everything up to, you know, $90 million

09:48that's happened needs to change. I say

09:51no to all of it. Open records and find a

09:53better management team. Thank you.

09:56>> Andy Perlman

10:02>> Madam President, members of members of

10:04Board Andy Perlman, Attorney with

10:06Prunier and Perlman uh here in Nashua.

10:08Uh I am here tonight on behalf of Razin

10:10and Homes and I am here for the petition

10:13to accept Juliana Avenue. It is teed up,

10:16ready to go, and I'm just here to answer

10:18answer any questions that the board may

10:19have.

10:21Thank you.

10:28>> Communications requiring final approval?

10:30>> None.

10:31>> Petitions?

10:32>> Petition for street acceptance, Juliana

10:34Avenue.

10:35>> Alderman Johnson?

10:36>> Yes, I'd like to make a motion to

10:38recommend granting of the petition for

10:40street acceptance, Julia Juliana Avenue.

10:44>> Not recommend.

10:47>> It's not a recommendation, it's final

10:49passage.

10:49>> Sorry.

10:50>> Just for clarification.

10:51>> to recommend on here to grant.

10:53>> It does.

10:54>> Oh, it's my It says that, okay. Sorry.

10:57I'll like to move to for final passage.

10:59>> Thank you.

11:01You've heard the motion, is there

11:02discussion on that motion?

11:05Seeing none, all those in favor say I.

11:07>> I.

11:08>> Opposed?

11:09That motion carries.

11:10>> [clears throat]

11:11>> Nominations, appointments, and

11:12elections.

11:14>> Appointment by the Board of Alderman,

11:15office of Deputy Treasurer, Deputy Tax

11:18Collector, Dalia [clears throat] Regas.

11:21Uh

11:23>> There being no objection, I'll accept

11:25the appointment by the Board of Alderman

11:26as read and refer them to the

11:29I refer the appointment to the Personnel

11:31Administrative Affairs Committee.

11:33>> And appointments by the Mayor, Arts

11:35Commission, Kathy Prevost, new

11:37appointment term to expire December

11:3922nd, 2029, 4 Hatch Street, Nashua, New

11:43Hampshire 03064.

11:45Citizens Advisory Commission, Lisa

11:48Terrangio, term to expire October 1st,

11:512029, 11 Berkeley Street, Nashua, New

11:54Hampshire 03060.

11:57And Jennifer Bishop, reappointment term

11:59to expire November 1st, 2029, 45 East

12:03Dunstable Road, Nashua, New Hampshire

12:0503060.

12:08>> There being no objection, I'll accept

12:09the appointments by the Mayor as read

12:10and refer them to the Personnel

12:12Administrative Affairs Committee.

12:14Reports of committees, they're being no

12:15objection, I will suspend the rules to

12:17allow for the oral report of the budget

12:19review committee meeting held Monday

12:21night, October 26th

12:23regarding proposed resolutions R-26-64

12:27amended, R-26-67,

12:29R-26-68, R-26-69, R-26-70, and R-26-71.

12:36Alderman Dowd.

12:37>> Yes, we had a budget review meeting last

12:39night after a public hearing on all of

12:41these and after

12:44a significant amount of discussion on

12:45each of them, all of these passed the

12:48the board. R- 26-064,

12:52R-26-067,

12:54R-26-068,

12:55R-26-069,

12:57R-26-070, and R-26-071

13:01all were recommended for final passage

13:03to the full board.

13:05>> Thank you. Confirmation of mayor's

13:07appointments.

13:07>> None.

13:08>> Unfinished business resolutions.

13:11>> Third reading of

13:13authorizing the mayor and city treasurer

13:15to issue bonds not to exceed $5,173,428

13:24for the purchase of capital equipment.

13:26>> Alderman Dowd.

13:27>> Yeah, I'd like to make a motion for

13:28final passage of R-26-064

13:32amended by roll call pursuant to charter

13:34sections 49 and 56B.

13:38>> You've heard the motion. Is there

13:39discussion?

13:42Seeing none, will the clerk call the

13:43roll, please?

13:44>> Alderman Clemens.

13:45>> Yes.

13:46>> Alderman Clee.

13:47>> Yes.

13:48>> Alderman Ravan.

13:49>> Yes.

13:51>> Alderman Tovo.

13:52>> Yes.

13:53>> Alderman O'Brien.

13:54>> Yes.

13:55>> Alderman Greg.

13:56>> Yes.

13:57>> Alderman Dowd.

13:58>> Yes.

13:59>> Alderman Sullivan.

14:00>> Yes.

14:02>> Alderman Sennett.

14:03>> Yes.

14:04>> Alderman Johnson.

14:05>> No.

14:06>> Alderwoman Kelley.

14:07>> Yes.

14:09>> Alderman Morgan.

14:10>> Yes.

14:12>> Alderman Lopez.

14:13>> Yes.

14:14>> [snorts and clears throat]

14:14>> Alderman Wilshire.

14:15>> Yes.

14:16>> 13 yes, one nay.

14:18>> That motion carries and resolution 2664

14:21is amended as as amended is declared

14:23duly adopted.

14:26>> Second reading of R-26-067

14:30authorizing the mayor and city treasurer

14:32to issue bonds not to exceed $3 million

14:35for design and other ancillary costs to

14:38renovate the Nashua Public Library.

14:40>> Alderman Thibault.

14:42>> I'd like to make a motion for final

14:44passage of R-26-067

14:47by roll call pursuant to charter

14:48sections 49 and 56-B.

14:52>> You've heard the motion. Is there

14:53discussion on that motion?

14:57Seeing none, will the clerk call the

14:58roll, please?

14:59>> Alderman Clemons.

15:00>> No.

15:02>> Alderman Cleary.

15:03>> Yes.

15:04>> Alderman Ravan.

15:06>> No.

15:08>> Alderman Tio.

15:09>> No.

15:10>> Alderman O'Brien.

15:12>> Yes.

15:14>> Alderman Gregg.

15:15>> Yes.

15:17>> Alderman Dowd.

15:18>> Yes.

15:20>> Alderman Sullivan.

15:22>> Yes.

15:24>> Alderman Senate.

15:25>> Yes.

15:27>> Alderman Johnson.

15:28>> No.

15:31>> Alderwoman Kelley.

15:32>> Yes.

15:34>> Alderman Morgan.

15:35>> Yes.

15:37>> Alderman Lopez.

15:38>> Yes.

15:41>> Alderman Wilshire.

15:42>> Yes.

15:43>> 10 yes, four nays.

15:45>> That motion carries and resolution 2667

15:48is declared duly adopted.

15:52>> Second reading of R-26-068

15:56authorizing the mayor and city treasurer

15:58to issue bonds not to exceed $1,500,000

16:02for design, construction, and equipping

16:04of a fire training facility.

16:07>> Alderman O'Brien.

16:08>> Thank you, Madam President. I'd like to

16:09make a motion for final passage of

16:11R-26-068

16:14by roll call pursuant to charter

16:16sections 49 and 56-B. And may I say very

16:21briefly to it.

16:23>> Yes.

16:24>> [clears throat]

16:25>> I hope that this passes because

16:28I hope that no fireman dies in the line

16:32of duty because we didn't give them the

16:34best training opportunity. Thank you.

16:38>> Further discussion, Alderman Johnson.

16:40>> Thank you very much. I'm just going to

16:42say what I said last night at the budget

16:44committee meeting.

16:45I cannot vote on the small amount of

16:48money because this is taking away from

16:50the big projects. Because when you take

16:51a look at the 20-year bonds and how much

16:54interest it has cost us, this is money

16:56that could have been done with other

16:57projects. So,

16:59this is why I'm not voting on the

17:01smaller project and on the bigger

17:03projects. Thank you.

17:05>> Further discussion, Alderman Sullivan.

17:07>> I'm going to support this tonight. I

17:08think that when you when you train,

17:11especially your your your front-line

17:13first responders,

17:15any training raises your floor on the

17:18staff. And I think given the past

17:21calendar year uh

17:23for National Fire and Rescue, it's been

17:25demonstrated that um

17:27a well-trained

17:29uh

17:30uh fire department uh saves lives and

17:32property. Thanks.

17:34>> Alderman Dowd.

17:35>> Yeah, just also want to point out that

17:37the existing training facility is is uh

17:40where we're building the new DPW

17:41building and if we don't pass this and

17:44develop the new training site, we won't

17:46have a training site for the firemen.

17:51>> Further discussion, Alderwoman Kelly.

17:53>> Uh thank you. Uh just wanted to

17:55reiterate last night I asked the

17:56question around these smaller bonds and

17:59the discussion um brought us back to the

18:01point that we are trying to do these

18:04initial design phases so we know more

18:07like pointedly what the full bond will

18:09cost. So, that's what we've done with a

18:11number one number of these that um

18:14number of these bonds. It's like

18:16actually isolating out a little piece of

18:18that to get more closely to the

18:22full amount.

18:25>> Further discussion?

18:28Seeing none, would the clerk call the

18:29roll, please?

18:30>> Alderman Clemens.

18:31>> Yes.

18:33>> Alderman Clay.

18:34>> Yes.

18:35>> Alderman Ravena.

18:36>> Yes.

18:38>> Alderman Teverow.

18:39>> Yeah.

18:40>> Alderman O'Brien.

18:41>> Yes.

18:43>> Alderman Gregg.

18:44>> Yes.

18:45>> Alderman Dowd.

18:46>> Yes.

18:48>> Alderman Sullivan.

18:49>> Yes.

18:50>> Alderman Sanat.

18:51>> Yes.

18:53>> Alderman Johnson.

18:54>> No.

18:55>> Alderman Kelly.

18:56>> Yes.

18:58>> [clears throat]

18:58>> Alderman Morgan.

18:59>> Yes.

19:01>> Alderman Lopez.

19:02>> Yes.

19:04>> Alderman Wilshire.

19:05>> Yes.

19:06>> 13 yes, one nay.

19:08>> The motion carries and resolution 2668

19:10is declared duly adopted.

19:12>> Second reading of R-26-069,

19:17authorizing [clears throat]

19:17the mayor and city treasurer to issue

19:20bonds not to exceed $1 million

19:22for design and other ancillary costs to

19:24replace the Pine Hill fire station.

19:27>> Alderman O'Brien.

19:28>> Thank you, Madam President. Uh,

19:31I'd like to make a motion for final

19:32passage of R-26-069

19:36by roll call pursuant to charter

19:38sections 49 and 56B.

19:42>> You've heard the motion. Is there

19:43discussion on that motion? Alderman

19:45Teverow.

19:45>> Thank you, Madam President. Um,

19:47I said it last night, uh, but I also

19:49want to, uh, s-

19:51just, uh, say one other thing about it.

19:54So, when I first ran for office, I met

19:56with the the fire union and talked about

19:58fire stations, and it said that we

20:01needed actually one more fire station

20:03than we have today. So, this isn't even

20:05going to get us to as many as we need

20:07for the city, but at least they'll get

20:08us a bigger fire station to cover that

20:11side of the city. We used to get, uh,

20:13help from the Little Meramec one that's,

20:15uh, off,

20:16uh, right right when you get into South

20:18Meramec, but they don't [clears throat]

20:19really help us anymore,

20:21um, as much as they used to. So, I

20:23think, um, it's it's critical that we do

20:26do this. Um, same thing with the next

20:27one. I So, I don't have to speak again.

20:29Just in deferred maintenance. I think,

20:31uh, you know, we have some old fire

20:32stations, especially on Hammer Street,

20:34and they need work. And we People live

20:36at these places, so we definitely have

20:37to, uh, it's not just a place to work,

20:40it's a place to to live for for the

20:41firefighters that support this city. So,

20:44I'm going to support both these, uh,

20:46both these pieces of legislation. Thank

20:48you.

20:49>> Further discussion?

20:51Alderman Ryan?

20:52>> Um, not only is this, uh, thank you,

20:55Madam President. Not only is this

20:58station larger, it's moved. That is, it

21:01will move from where it is on Pine Hill

21:05to the corner of Pine Hill and Sharon,

21:08and therefore allow easier access and

21:10faster access for the equipment to get

21:13to the necessary,

21:15uh,

21:16basically, all of the,

21:18um, easier, let's say, to to where it's

21:21necessary in Ward 1. So, uh, with

21:25Alderman Thibodeau, I

21:28significantly

21:29support this amendment.

21:33>> Further discussion? Alderman Johnson.

21:34>> Thank you very much. I just want to say

21:36when I came into the meeting tonight, I

21:38had a conversation with Chief Buxton and

21:40said to him, "It's not I'm against the

21:42firefighters or anything. It's this

21:44we're bonding small amounts of money."

21:47And for $1 million, that's $420,000

21:51of interest over 20 years that we could

21:52be using on other things. And when you

21:54start adding up all this interest over

21:56the 20 years, it's not that it's going

21:58to be $10 or $20 or $20,000. You're

22:02talking close to millions of dollars in

22:05interest. And that to me is that some of

22:08these issues should be in the budget

22:12that we're paying for them rather than

22:14bonding. Bonding is for the big

22:15projects, for the buildings.

22:18To do a fire station, to do a library,

22:20and to do a DPW garage, not for small

22:24projects like this because $420,000

22:28on both of this this bond and the next

22:30one, that's $840,000

22:33over 20 years.

22:35That's a lot of money.

22:36Thank you.

22:37Alderman Lopez.

22:39>> Um over the years I've heard a lot of

22:41criticism when we do bonding of large

22:42projects that we didn't have a plan or

22:44we didn't have a design or a study, we

22:46didn't know how much it would cost

22:47before we authorized the bond and I

22:49recall many many times trying to explain

22:51that that's usually part of the bonding

22:53process. Um and I think where we try to

22:56bond a smaller plan, if we had the

22:58money, then I would be 100% in favor of

23:01it, but I do recall earlier this year

23:03some controversy over the expanded size

23:05of the budget, the expenses passed down

23:08by the state, the immovable objects that

23:10we just can't do anything about like

23:11paying for people's health care. Um so

23:14as much as I would like to do this

23:16perfectly and wait for the perfect

23:17budget year, that summer season where we

23:20somehow have a million McLarens

23:22registered in a surplus much of money, I

23:24haven't seen it as long as I've been an

23:26alderman and this is an issue that has

23:28been long overdue. We have more and more

23:31people moving into Nashua, our

23:33population density is getting greater,

23:35you know, I have had a number of fires

23:37in Ward 4 particularly. Um we've even a

23:39building blow up on Amherst Street.

23:41There's a lot of things that are going

23:42on that our fire departments are taking

23:44on and the least we can do is make sure

23:45they have the right facilities and that

23:47we're we're keeping those up to date.

23:49And just as a an added um comment, um I

23:52particularly like the fact that they're

23:53coordinating with the the airport and

23:55making sure we'd be able to respond

23:57quickly there too because that's always

23:58been a question in my mind.

24:00What good is having a fire truck circle

24:02around the block while something, you

24:03know, major is happening. So um I will

24:06definitely be supporting this. Thank

24:07you.

24:09>> Further discussion?

24:11Seeing none.

24:13All those in

24:14uh roll call, please.

24:17>> Alderman Clemmons.

24:18>> Yes.

24:20>> Alderman Clay.

24:21>> Yes.

24:22>> Alderman Ruvin.

24:24>> Yes.

24:26>> Alderman Tuo.

24:27>> Yes.

24:29>> Alderman O'Brien.

24:30>> Yes.

24:31>> Alderman Greg.

24:32>> Yes.

24:34>> Alderman Dowd.

24:35>> Yes.

24:37>> Alderman Sullivan.

24:38>> Yes.

24:39>> Alderman Sennett.

24:40>> Yes.

24:42>> Alderman Johnson.

24:43>> No.

24:45>> Alderwoman Kelly.

24:46>> Yes.

24:47>> Alderman Morgan.

24:48>> Yes.

24:50>> Alderman Lopez.

24:51>> Yes.

24:53>> Alderman Wilshire.

24:55>> Yes.

24:56>> 13 yes, one nay.

24:58>> The motion carries and resolution 2669

25:02is declared duly adopted.

25:04>> Second reading of R-26-070,

25:09authorizing the mayor and city treasurer

25:10to issue bonds not to exceed $1 million

25:14for deferred capital maintenance for of

25:16fire stations.

25:17>> Alderman O'Brien.

25:18>> Thank you, Madam President. I'd like to

25:20make the motion for final passage of

25:22R-26-070

25:25by roll call pursuant to chapter

25:28charter sections 49 and 56B.

25:33And may I speak briefly?

25:34>> Yes.

25:35>> These

25:37uh will encompass six buildings.

25:40Actually, make seven if you count the

25:42fire alarm office. They all have roofs

25:44that some of them, as you remember in

25:47past conversations, are leaking. Um

25:52There's hot top around the stations

25:54that's well worn.

25:56Uh when fire apparatus leave, there's a

25:58transient transient load of over 2 tons

26:02at times, you know, so uh a lot of

26:05things get very well used. And this is

26:08one of the first times, I think, that I

26:11remember that this amount of money is

26:14going to take care of these seven

26:16facilities. And it's about time.

26:19Because we have people living in them,

26:21and they're actually an asset to our

26:24community. So, I hope you all support

26:26>> for it.

26:26>> Thank you.

26:27>> Further discussion.

26:30Seeing none, uh

26:32will the clerk call the roll, please?

26:34>> Alderman Clemens

26:35>> Yes.

26:36>> Alderman Cleary

26:37>> Yes.

26:38>> Alderman Revan

26:39>> Yes.

26:41>> Alderman Teo

26:42>> Yes.

26:43>> Alderman O'Brien

26:44>> Yes.

26:46>> Alderman Greg

26:47>> Yes.

26:48>> Alderman Dowd

26:49>> Yes.

26:51>> Alderman Sullivan

26:52>> Yes.

26:54>> Alderman Sennett

26:55>> Yes.

26:56>> Alderman Johnson

26:57>> No.

26:59>> [clears throat]

26:59>> Alderwoman Kelly

27:00>> Yes.

27:02>> Alderman Morgan

27:03>> Yes.

27:05>> Alderman Lopez

27:06>> Yes.

27:08>> Alderman Wollschlager

27:09>> Yes.

27:10>> 13 yays, one nay.

27:12>> The motion carries and resolution 2670

27:14is declared duly adopted.

27:17>> Second reading of R-26-071

27:21authorizing the mayor and city treasurer

27:23to issue bonds not to exceed $9 million

27:26for the replacement and modernization of

27:28citywide enterprise resources planning

27:31ERP system.

27:33>> Alderman Greg

27:34Thank you. I'd like to make a motion for

27:36final passage of R-26-071

27:40by roll call pursuant to charter

27:41sections 49 and 56B.

27:45>> You've heard the motion.

27:47Discussion on that motion?

27:50Alderman Revan

27:52>> Thank you, Madam President. Um

27:55as I understand it, this will take

27:58um essentially a series of disconnected

28:01software and replace it by one coherent

28:06and cohesive system

28:08saving us time and money. And therefore,

28:12I will wholeheartedly

28:14support this resolution.

28:17>> Further discussion? Alderman Lopez

28:19>> Uh I just want to observe that one of

28:20the most persuasive things about the

28:21presentation because a $9 million bond

28:24right now with everything that's going

28:25on did kind of feel like a splash of

28:27water in the face.

28:29Um I know they've been working on it

28:30since last year saying we need to

28:31streamline this, but uh Mr. Gray was

28:33particularly persuasive because one of

28:35my concerns with the school

28:38department in the past has been how they

28:40allocate money, [clears throat] how it

28:42seems like it's constantly moving from

28:43place to place because they put too much

28:45over here and then they have to move it

28:47over there. It's a little bit

28:48aggravating to watch this all the time

28:49because we have no say over any of that,

28:51but having a unified system and

28:53organizing the efficiency of it

28:55is, I think, a very important step and

28:58I'm glad that we're taking this step and

29:00moving it forward to try to coordinate

29:02these different

29:03um

29:04resources. It is a big investment, but

29:06it's overdue and I do think we owe it to

29:09the taxpayers to use the money as

29:11effectively as possibly, not just, you

29:13know, cut corners, you know, responding

29:16to an incidental crisis or a momentary

29:18need without looking at the bigger

29:20picture. And I think some of the biggest

29:21efficiencies we've seen over the years

29:23are the more systemic changes

29:25that we've made, so I will be supporting

29:27this.

29:28>> Further discussion? Alderman Dowd.

29:30>> Yeah, I

29:32at points in time I've talked to people

29:34that use these current systems and

29:37there's massive inefficiencies and and

29:39problems using these systems and and

29:42this will resolve most of those problems

29:45and allow for much cleaner, more

29:48efficient, and effective system to run

29:51the city government and I think that's

29:53critically important and I think we need

29:55to support this.

30:00>> No further discussion? Mr. Clerk, call

30:02the roll, please.

30:04>> Alderman Clemens.

30:05>> Yes.

30:06>> Alderman Clay.

30:07>> Yes.

30:08>> Alderman Revan.

30:09>> Yes.

30:11>> Alderman Tibo.

30:12>> Yes.

30:12>> Alderman O'Brien.

30:14>> Yes.

30:15>> Alderman Gregg.

30:16>> Yes.

30:17>> Alderman Dowd.

30:18>> Yes.

30:19>> Alderman Sullivan.

30:20>> No.

30:22>> Alderman Sennett.

30:23>> No.

30:25>> Alderman Johnson.

30:26>> No.

30:28>> Alderwoman Kelly.

30:29>> Yes.

30:31>> Alderman Morgan.

30:32>> No.

30:35>> Alderman Lopez.

30:36>> Yes.

30:38>> Alderman Wilshire

30:39>> Yes.

30:40>> 10 years, four nays.

30:42>> That motion carries and resolution 2671

30:45is declared duly adopted.

30:48>> Second reading of R-26-075

30:52authorizing the mayor to enter into a

30:54second amended federal aid projects

30:56agreement with the state of New

30:57Hampshire in the town of Hudson for the

30:59purpose of rehabilitating the Taylor

31:02Falls and Veterans Bridges into

31:05into accept an additional

31:06231,941

31:10dollars and 29 cents for the project.

31:13>> Alderman Clee

31:14>> Uh thank you uh Madam President. I'd

31:16like to motion I'm sorry. Yes, I'd like

31:19to motion for final passage of R-26-075.

31:23I will No, I don't need roll call on

31:25this one. Thank you.

31:26>> You've heard the motion. Is there

31:27discussion on that motion?

31:30Seeing none, all those in favor say aye.

31:32>> Aye.

31:32>> Opposed?

31:33That motion carries and resolution 2675

31:36is declared duly adopted.

31:38>> Second reading of R-26-076

31:43relative to the acceptance of 45,180

31:46dollars from the United States

31:47Department of Justice into police grant

31:50activity 2025 Justice Assistance Grant

31:53multi-jurisdictional.

31:56>> Alderman Sennett

31:57>> Thank you, Madam President. I move for

31:58final passage of R-26-076.

32:02>> You've heard the motion. Is there

32:03discussion on that motion?

32:06Seeing none, all those in favor say aye.

32:08>> Aye.

32:09>> Opposed?

32:10That motion carries.

32:11Resolution 2676 is declared duly

32:14adopted.

32:16Unfinished business ordinances

32:19>> Second reading of O-26-024

32:23authorizing additional stop signs to

32:25make an all way stop at the intersection

32:28of French Street and Abbott Street.

32:30>> Alderman Clee

32:31>> Uh yes, thank you. I would like to make

32:33a motion for final passage of O-26-024.

32:37>> You've heard the motion. Discussion on

32:39that motion?

32:42Seeing none, all those in favor say I.

32:43>> I.

32:44>> Opposed? That motion carries and

32:46resolution 2624 is declared duly

32:48adopted.

32:51>> Third reading of O-26-002

32:55amended allowing electronic public

32:57comment for people with disabilities.

32:59>> Alderman Clements.

33:01>> Thank you. I move to reconsider O26-002

33:04amended by roll call.

33:07>> You've heard the motion.

33:09Will the clerk call Oh, I'm sorry.

33:10Alderman Teverow.

33:12>> Um yeah, thank you, Madam President. Um

33:14I was uh

33:16going to

33:17uh actually, I'm going to let it

33:18reconsider and then I'll I'll talk

33:19after.

33:20>> Okay. Motion is to reconsider.

33:25Clerk, call the roll, please.

33:27>> Alderman Clements.

33:28>> Yes.

33:29>> Alderman Clay.

33:30>> Yes.

33:31>> Alderman Roden.

33:33>> Yes.

33:34>> Alderman Teverow.

33:35>> Yes.

33:36>> Alderman O'Brien.

33:37>> Yes.

33:39>> Alderman Greg.

33:40>> Yes.

33:41>> Alderman Dowd.

33:42>> Yes.

33:44>> Alderman Sullivan.

33:45>> Yes.

33:46>> Alderman Sanborn.

33:47>> Yes.

33:49>> Alderman Johnson.

33:50>> Yes.

33:51>> Alderwoman Kelly.

33:53>> Yes.

33:55>> Alderman Morgan.

33:56>> Yes.

33:57>> Alderman Lopez.

33:58>> Yes.

34:00>> Alderman Wilshire.

34:01>> Yes.

34:01>> 14 yay, zero nays.

34:03>> That motion carries.

34:05Alderman Clements.

34:06>> Uh thank you, Madam President. Um

34:09I'm going to make a motion to amend

34:13ordinance 26002

34:16by replacing it with the copy that was

34:19put on everyone's desk

34:21this evening.

34:23And I'd like to speak to that if I

34:25could.

34:25>> Alderman Clements.

34:27>> Thank you.

34:28So,

34:30at the last Board of Alderman meeting,

34:34actually, I'm going to go back even

34:35further. At the Personnel and

34:37Administrative Affairs Committee,

34:39uh which happened last

34:43the beginning of October.

34:45Um

34:47Alderman Johnson had worked with

34:50uh the legal department

34:52and they gave us

34:55an amendment

34:57uh which is what we passed

35:00at the last

35:02Board of Aldermen meeting.

35:04Almost word for word

35:07with a couple of

35:09uh additions to it.

35:12For example, going from three business

35:14days to five.

35:17Uh having the risk management department

35:19determine the eligibility and adding an

35:20effective date. This is it. It's right

35:23here. This is what was given to us in

35:26personnel by legal.

35:29Um so we at the Board of Aldermen the

35:32last time, we we passed that.

35:36I get a call from the mayor concerned

35:39about it after we [snorts] passed it.

35:42That

35:43uh perhaps what we did was not

35:47uh what we intended.

35:50And so

35:52um

35:54they uh legal came up with a

35:58um

36:00small amendment to it and then upon

36:03further discussion with Alderman Johnson

36:07and

36:08um

36:10Alderman Gregg, we came up with

36:14what is in front of you tonight.

36:16Um and some of those things that are

36:19that were included

36:21in here that were different from the

36:24last uh time

36:27is

36:28>> [clears throat]

36:29>> what the mayor discussed, which is that

36:31the disability has to be relevant to not

36:35being able to uh come here in the

36:37chamber and participate.

36:40The second uh thing is section B,

36:45which is an approval period.

36:47Uh and the approval period shall remain

36:50in effect for 3 months from the date

36:52that it is granted.

36:54Um

36:55in addition to that,

36:58uh person does not need to resubmit

37:00documentation,

37:01uh but they do have to notify the

37:03Alderanic office each time they do want

37:05to participate.

37:08Um

37:10and then

37:11part of the other part of that is too is

37:13that

37:14after the 3 months is up, they can renew

37:16that

37:17uh with the risk uh department.

37:21Um

37:22the third thing is confidentiality,

37:24which we put in there

37:26uh obviously to make sure that any

37:28records are

37:29uh kept confidential.

37:31And then section D

37:33um

37:34is basically saying

37:36that anything that supersedes

37:39uh our

37:40uh law,

37:42you know, we will follow that. So, it it

37:45it reads nothing in this section limits

37:47any accommodation required under the

37:49Americans with Disability Act at any

37:52meeting of the city.

37:54So, this

37:56version that you see in front of you

37:60was run through the legal department as

38:02well

38:03and got its blessing and actually the

38:05way it's written was submitted to us by

38:08uh

38:09Attorney Clark.

38:11And so, it has run through the legal

38:13department.

38:14All of these things pass muster.

38:17Um

38:19so, I'm asking us to please

38:22uh

38:24vote for this this evening so that we

38:25can move on

38:27and have people

38:29who are disabled be able to participate

38:32in public comment.

38:33Thank you.

38:35>> I saw Alderman Tibo first.

38:37>> Thank you, Madam President. Um

38:41you know, I've been against this the

38:42whole time voting no. I I truly believe

38:45the ADA already covers this and we

38:46should be following that instead of

38:49wasting so much time on this legislation

38:51when the ADA already tells us prescribes

38:53to us what we we should do. We should

38:55allow it. We should allow it in every

38:56meeting.

38:57That has Zoom. That's what we should be

38:60doing.

39:00So, I'm against it. Honestly tonight

39:04I [snorts] was just going to vote yes on

39:05this because, you know,

39:08at least,

39:09you know, some specifics were put in

39:11here.

39:12You know, it it it started out with good

39:15intentions by Alderman Johnson and just

39:16got convoluted with more cooks in the

39:18kitchen, people trying to help her make

39:21legislation that was just so messy by

39:23the time we voted on it last time that

39:24Alderman Clemmons thankfully at least

39:26made it simpler. And and now we've we've

39:29made it even more specific to what it

39:30should be. So, if it stays like this,

39:32I'll I'll vote yes, but if we start

39:34adding all kinds more of amendments that

39:35I don't think we need, then I'm not

39:37going to I'm not going to vote for it at

39:39that point. Not that Not that my vote

39:40matters on this one, but that's that's

39:42how I look at it.

39:44>> Alderman Burnett and then Alderman

39:45Sullivan. [clears throat]

39:46>> Thank you, Madam President. Um

39:48through you to the maker of the motion.

39:50Um

39:51I understand that primarily the

39:54intent of this amendment is to

39:57tie an individual's disability to their

40:00ability to participate in

40:02um in person public comment.

40:06My concern there as it spirals out of

40:08the

40:09numerous discussions that we've had

40:11about this is,

40:13you know, it it was floated at one point

40:15that an individual who requested an

40:17accommodation was offered a ride share

40:19service

40:20to pick them up. I will

40:23withhold my comments regarding the vast

40:26concerns I have regarding the viability

40:28of that.

40:29I want to be sure that by passing this

40:32and tying

40:34the restriction to their ability to get

40:37here that we are not creating a backdoor

40:39to offer that in lieu of a um

40:44an opportunity to participate in remote

40:46uh, public comment.

40:50>> May I respond?

40:51>> Yes.

40:52>> So, I I I can't tell you what risk is

40:55going to do and obviously every

40:57situation is different.

40:59However, this makes it pretty clear

41:03that if somebody has a disability that

41:05makes it hard for them to get here for

41:07whatever reason under the law

41:10that Zoom

41:12is our preferred

41:14uh, or electron whatever whether it's

41:16Zoom whatever is our electric is our

41:18preferred method

41:20of getting that person to be able to

41:22participate in public comment. I mean,

41:24that that's the whole purpose of this

41:25and some of the other

41:27uh,

41:28things that were added were added

41:31um,

41:31you know, to make to make it easier for

41:33those people to not have to keep

41:35reapplying every time, you know, making

41:37sure that the process was more uh,

41:40straightforward and also directed

41:43to say this is what it what it's going

41:45to be, you know, I didn't want to get

41:46into the specifics of what is and what

41:48isn't because I that I don't think the

41:51Board of Aldermen should be involved in

41:53I because the ADA changes so often, we

41:57should let the risk department do that.

41:59Um, so I I think if we vote for this and

42:03we vote for this with a pretty

42:04overwhelming

42:06sense that it it's going to be very

42:08clear

42:10that if somebody has a disability that

42:12makes it hard for them to get here for

42:14whatever reason

42:16that Zoom should be offered.

42:18So, my hope

42:20is that we don't see somebody getting

42:23offered a taxi to get to get here. That

42:26that would be my hope and if I find out

42:28that that does happen, I I'm going to be

42:30very disappointed.

42:32And then maybe we do have to change it.

42:34>> Alderman Senate.

42:35>> Uh, thank you Madam President and thank

42:36you Alderman Clemens for um, addressing

42:38that concern. I

42:40you essentially spoke out what my

42:43concerns were and my shared sentiment

42:45towards this. So, with that in mind, um,

42:48I I will uh, I I guess I would say

42:50apprehensively support that with those

42:53concerns Uh, still lingering. Thank you.

42:56>> Alderman Sullivan.

42:57>> Thank you. More of a procedural

42:58question. Since this ordinance was

43:00vetoed

43:01and we did we're now reconsidering it,

43:03do we need to take a vote to override

43:05the veto before we amend it?

43:10>> No.

43:10>> Okay.

43:11>> The there is a procedure laid out in the

43:14ordinances and so far you've followed

43:17the procedure.

43:18>> Perfect.

43:19Thank you.

43:19>> Alderman Lopez.

43:21>> I would just ask if it would be possible

43:23maybe in February or March to have risk

43:26present to the personnel and

43:27administrative affairs committee just

43:28updating us how this is going, how often

43:30it's used, any ways we if there are

43:33concerns like this, we will probably

43:35hear about them from constituents. I I

43:38do believe it's easier to just say,

43:39"Okay, it looks like you should use Zoom

43:42rather than let me figure out where the

43:44budget for a a ride share or all that

43:46stuff is going to come from." But I I

43:47mean, I have the same concerns, too. For

43:49all I know, someone's going to say,

43:51"Sign up for the the um

43:54national transit." So, I would like to

43:56check in on it because this is

43:59a little bit more involved than we've

44:00done in the past. So, is it possible to

44:02just make that known that we would like

44:04that kind of a and I guess through the

44:06president to the chair, is that

44:07something that's welcome at that

44:08committee?

44:10>> Oh, my committee for you, yeah.

44:11>> Sorry, I was like, wait,

44:12who, me?

44:13Um

44:14I guess if it passes, sure.

44:18I'll set.

44:19>> Yep, that was just my comment.

44:20>> Okay.

44:22Alderman Reilly.

44:23>> Thank you. I wasn't here for the

44:24discussion on this.

44:25Um

44:27I have said this in the committee and I

44:28have not been supportive of this from

44:30the beginning. I think it is a solution

44:32um in search of a problem and it's

44:34creating actually more undue hardship

44:36for people with disabilities who now

44:37have to go get a letter. They have to go

44:39through these five steps, then someone

44:41at risk has to decide if a migraine is

44:43considered a disability that would allow

44:46allow you or not allow you to get here

44:47in Zoom.

44:48We should just go if we agree with Zoom,

44:51we should just go Zoom links all the

44:53time. Then Donna doesn't have to do it

44:54every she gets a 5-day thing. We don't

44:56have to look at all these renewals.

44:57All of these things. The other things

44:59that have been said around this that

45:00have

45:01really struck me,

45:03ADA

45:04compliance, you don't have to tell them

45:06what your disability is.

45:08And we're asking people to disclose

45:10their disability and get a doctor's

45:12note. You could just have to request the

45:14disability.

45:16Um and I've I've talked to people about

45:17it. Please let me know if I'm incorrect

45:19on that, but they don't have to

45:21>> Okay. I'll look it up, but okay.

45:23Um

45:27I think we're making it harder than it

45:29needs to be, and we're putting in a lot

45:31of steps that are going to cost us a lot

45:32of administrative time.

45:34And I appreciate Ms. Graham and all the

45:36work she does, but I don't want to make

45:38her work any harder. So, if we want

45:40this, I've always been a proponent of

45:41Zoom, we should just have Zoom.

45:45Alderman Dow?

45:47>> Yes, um

45:49I'm ready to support the new legislation

45:52as it's on our desk as written, um

45:55yeah, cuz I think it's been fully vetted

45:57by legal, but if any other amendments

46:00are added that aren't vetted by legal, I

46:02won't support.

46:05>> Alderman Johnson?

46:06>> Thank you.

46:07I'd like to thank Alderman Clemens,

46:09Alderman Greg for the all the help

46:13with this. It started out, you're right,

46:15with good intentions. I had the RSA

46:18there because it outlined basically ADA

46:21Title 2, but we got stuck on the word

46:23walking.

46:25Mobility. Health. Health and mobility

46:27can go together.

46:29And if you read ADA Title 2, it says

46:32they you can request documentation,

46:35and you do not have to, if I'm correct

46:37here, you do not have to tell say

46:39exactly what the disability is. It's

46:42just basically saying, "My patient has a

46:44medical condition." Boom, done.

46:47It's just clean, and it keeps everything

46:49clean amongst us, and we're following

46:51ADA Title 2.

46:53I did this because

46:56I guess when it started with me when I

46:58helped write the ordinance

47:00for married couple to be able to have

47:03that elderly tax exempt. And I broke the

47:05kneecap and I couldn't come in and I

47:07wanted a Zoom to speak on it and I

47:10couldn't come in and I vowed that if I

47:12won that I was going to try to get this

47:14passed. Because there's other people out

47:17there, not just one person, there's

47:19many. There might be five people in the

47:22whole lifetime of this, but if you want

47:24to open this up for everybody, this is a

47:27good start to see if it works.

47:29And then you can build upon that. And so

47:32I'm going to thank all my colleagues if

47:34they vote for this. This wasn't just

47:35about me, this was two or three other

47:37aldermen helping me and the community

47:40stepping in because former alderman Fred

47:42Teeboom

47:44wrote

47:45um an amendment that was basically like

47:47the one that was submitted and I have to

47:49thank him also. And so you see when a

47:52board works together and the community

47:54works together, we can get things passed

47:56and that will help the people in the

47:58community. Thank you.

48:01>> Alderman Teeboom.

48:02>> Thank you, Madam President. I'm so glad

48:04that people are working together in this

48:05chamber. That's that's good news. Um the

48:08thing that I

48:10So, I get the whole disability thing,

48:13but

48:14isn't that discriminating against a

48:16single father or a single mother that's

48:17at home and has to watch their kid? We

48:20do it. Chamber does it. I can probably

48:23tell you a bunch of us that Well, not me

48:24cuz I don't ever Zoom, but the people

48:26that Zoom, they're doing child care. So,

48:29why do we allow

48:30aldermen to do it? We don't let the

48:32public do that either. So, someone can't

48:35get here cuz they're they're watching

48:36their 3-year-old or their 6-year-old.

48:38Why Why is that any

48:41It's important for them to to do public

48:42comment. We don't allow that. So, to

48:44Alderman Kelly's point,

48:47whatever we do here, we're

48:48discriminating. So, just open it up to

48:49everybody. And I know single parents,

48:52they don't get the ADA. They don't have

48:53their own protection under the law,

48:55right? But it's the it's it's the same

48:58thing. They want to speak, they can't

49:00come in either. So, I I I'm along with

49:03with Alderman Kelly. Do it for everyone.

49:06And do it in every meeting. Why are we

49:07only to Miss Orlando's point, why are we

49:09just doing it in this meeting?

49:11Well, you know, we should do it in every

49:13meeting we have Zoom in. And that's

49:14that's it. And I I don't I don't get why

49:16we're just trying to make a little niche

49:18when we could do it for everybody.

49:21>> Alderman Morgan.

49:22>> Thank you, Madam Chair. Um

49:25I would like to ask my colleagues who

49:26think that Zoom should be open to

49:28everyone, which I do agree,

49:30make the motion.

49:32>> Mhm.

49:34Thank you. So, I'm going to Alderman

49:35Clay.

49:36>> Uh thank you. Um

49:39I think that this is a good start. And

49:42to the comment about why don't we open

49:43it up to every committee, technically,

49:46it is.

49:48I said from the beginning I didn't think

49:49we needed this because the ADA

49:52regulations already say this. However, I

49:55I I understand what my colleagues say.

49:57This puts us on record of supporting it

50:01and so on.

50:02Um

50:03So, the bottom line is if someone

50:05requests [clears throat]

50:06to any committee, whether it be

50:09you know, um a ZBA or whether it be

50:12within the Board of Aldermen and our our

50:14committees,

50:15um they have to be allowed to do it. I

50:17don't know what's going to happen when

50:19it comes to a a meeting that doesn't

50:21have that access and that capability,

50:23but

50:24in the meantime,

50:26we do have to offer something

50:28to all meetings. So,

50:30I just want to make that comment.

50:32>> Alderman Teibel.

50:33>> Thank you, Madam President. So, um if we

50:36have to do it, but it's not specified in

50:37this, then we should do it. So, I want

50:39to make an amendment to add all

50:41committees, not just the Board of

50:42Aldermen meeting.

50:50>> It's your Do you want to make an

50:51amendment?

50:52>> to specify the exact wording and where

50:54it goes, and

50:56all cuz I don't know what that

51:01>> Does it even say Board of Aldermen in

51:02here?

51:03>> Yeah, it's under 12 there.

51:04>> Yep. Yeah, a lot of cool lines down in

51:0612.

51:08All right, so

51:10I want to change that to any person with

51:12disabilities defined in the Americans

51:14with Disabilities Act, which disability

51:16interferes with his or her participation

51:18in in-person public comment, which

51:20interference can be overcome by

51:22electronic communication may

51:23electronically participate in public

51:25comment at all.

51:28Uh Board of Aldermen meeting days.

51:30So it replaces Board of Aldermen

51:32meetings that have Zoom.

51:34Because some some meetings don't have

51:36Zoom.

51:37>> If I may.

51:39>> Yes.

51:42>> Where this is where it's order of

51:44business, that's order of business for

51:47full Board of Aldermen meeting.

51:50And the public comment, if you look at

51:52C,

51:53where it says public comment allowed in

51:55sub-sections A and B above, A and B

51:59above refer to the two public comment

52:03periods at regular meetings of the Board

52:05of Aldermen.

52:07There's a whole separate section, which

52:09I don't know off the top of my head,

52:11that talks about the procedure in

52:13committee meetings.

52:15So

52:16>> All right, we'll just have to draw up

52:16>> putting that in number 12

52:20would make no sense.

52:22>> Yeah, I got you. So we'll just have to

52:24make another total legislation fix for

52:26that one, that's all. It's fine.

52:28>> We'd be happy to write it, but you know,

52:30on the fly it's somewhat difficult.

52:33>> All right, I'll send an email.

52:35>> Are you going to withdraw your motion?

52:36>> I will draw it. We'll get it done for

52:37everything. And uh full Board too. I

52:39mean

52:40full access for everyone. We'll do that

52:42as well.

52:44>> Alderman Sullivan.

52:44>> I was only going to offer

52:46that I think this is a great place to

52:48start.

52:48>> Mhm.

52:49>> And let's see how it goes.

52:52And we, you know, this this Board is in

52:54place for another uh calendar year

52:57beyond this one. Let's see how it goes.

53:00If it uh if if uh if some If of my

53:02colleagues wants to make an amendment to

53:04to refine this, to make it better, let's

53:07go for it, but let's get started

53:09and see how it goes.

53:12>> Alderman Tibo.

53:13>> Thank you, Madam President.

53:15Why? Like

53:17why? We we don't do that with

53:18everything. So, we've had it before.

53:21It's not like it's brand new. It's not

53:22like it's something we've never done.

53:23We've had Zoom in this chamber.

53:25And uh so, I I don't see why we we

53:28wouldn't Are we open to everybody or

53:30we're not open to everybody? Like it

53:32just

53:33I I don't get it. I don't know why we

53:35would uh just do one segment of the

53:37population when we have the technology

53:39to do all of it. And I know there's some

53:41people in the room that didn't want to

53:42see Zoom go away and are now just doing

53:44it for disabilities. It It should be

53:46done for everyone. Simple as that.

53:49>> Alderman Sennett.

53:50>> Thank you, Madam President. Through you

53:51to Corporation Counsel. Um

53:54would it be most prudent to um

53:56dispose of any uh amendments or votes um

53:59around this legislation before making a

54:01motion that does not specifically uh

54:04amend or address the final passage of

54:06this legislation?

54:09>> What?

54:12>> I guess I don't fully understand. I

54:14mean, the the the board should do what

54:16it thinks is best. It's not up to me

54:19necessarily to tell you what's

54:22the best procedure for you to follow.

54:25I do like to point out when amendments

54:28are being made in a way that's going to

54:31make

54:32the codification

54:34incomprehensible that you may not want

54:37to do that, but it's

54:39I I can't tell you whether you should

54:41vote on the amendment

54:45or not vote on the amendment or have

54:47further discussion or

54:50vote on this amendment and propose other

54:52amendments. I mean, that's that's up to

54:55you, folks.

54:56>> Madam President. Um

54:58with that in mind, I'll I'll um

55:00toss some fuel on the fire. I'll make a

55:02motion if I'm out of order. I

55:05um

55:06I will seed to corporation council uh

55:08Bolton.

55:10Um, I'd like to make a motion to reverse

55:13the Board of Aldermen's uh August 9th,

55:152022 decision which terminated public

55:19access to Zoom meetings.

55:27And I'll speak to it if it would help.

55:29Um,

55:31a couple of people have said put it out

55:33on the floor, make the motion to open it

55:35up to everybody. Um,

55:38August 9th, 2022 is when this board um

55:42made a motion to approve terminating

55:44public access to Zoom meetings.

55:46Um, [clears throat]

55:48I I hope I worded this as best I could

55:51that I'd like to reverse this decision

55:53and open up public access to Zoom

55:55meetings again.

55:57>> I hate to do this, but

55:59>> But that's okay.

56:00>> That's not an amendment to this

56:02ordinance.

56:02>> Well, that's why it has to be a

56:04different thing.

56:05>> Okay.

56:06>> I I'll I'll throw my motion hold it till

56:09it's more appropriate. Thank you.

56:12>> Alderman Down.

56:13>> Yes, I agree with Alderman Sullivan.

56:17It took a long time to get to where

56:19we're at tonight.

56:21This is the first step.

56:23Let's pass the legislation as we have it

56:26on our desk

56:29and see how it works.

56:31We need to tweak it later, we can.

56:34As far as the other meetings go,

56:37everything that's done at committee

56:38meetings comes to the full board for

56:40final passage. That gives them an

56:42opportunity to comment on it.

56:44Um, it's not like they can participate

56:47in the discussion as we go through the

56:49thing. They have a comment period at

56:51beginning

56:52and the end of committee meetings

56:54and

56:56um

56:57I think that we ought to just take this

56:59step first

57:02and see where it goes.

57:05>> Alderman Tibault.

57:06>> Thank you, Madam President. I I mean

57:08honestly, to be to be honest and and and

57:11it's fine that Aldermen Dow wants to

57:13just start with a smaller piece. That

57:14that's a good opinion. But using the

57:17fact that

57:18it comes to the Board of Aldermen

57:19anyway, then we shouldn't even allow

57:21public comment in the committees then at

57:22all, right? Because if they get to speak

57:25here in the committee, they should have

57:26the same right to speak and zoom in the

57:28committee.

57:29Um

57:31Why? Just cuz it comes from the board,

57:32then they can zoom in then? Maybe they

57:33want to speak before it gets to to the

57:35Board of Aldermen. We should give the

57:37same rights we give in every meeting

57:39equally.

57:41I I don't know why that's a difficult

57:43thing. I would I would think people

57:44would want the same rights for people

57:45who are disabled in all committee

57:47meetings, not just one. That makes no

57:49sense. But but whatever.

57:59>> Motion to amend.

58:00>> Okay.

58:02It's a crystal on a motion to amend.

58:04>> Motion to amend, yeah.

58:06>> Crystal on the amend. The motion is to

58:08amend.

58:09Roll call.

58:11What is the amendment?

58:14>> Uh the amendment is replacing the

58:16>> The the whole this that's on our desk.

58:18>> Replacing it with this. Yes. Yep.

58:19>> to make sure.

58:20Yep.

58:22Alderwoman Kelly. I have a couple

58:24questions through you to corporation

58:25counsel, perhaps, if that's appropriate.

58:28>> Yes.

58:29>> I think the previous version specified

58:32what documentation was. This doesn't.

58:35Didn't it say a letter from your doctor?

58:38It just says documentation.

58:40Is that clear enough?

58:43>> I don't think any version ever said a

58:45letter from the doctor.

58:47>> This one does.

58:48>> wrong. I don't have everything in front

58:50of me, but

58:52I don't remember anything ever saying a

58:54letter from a doctor.

58:57>> What's in front of us says provides

58:58documentation, but doesn't clarify what

59:00documentation is.

59:02>> Documentation means written

59:06papers that substantiate the position

59:09that the person is [clears throat]

59:11asserting.

59:13And whatever that is, whatever that

59:16is necessary to be convincing, that's

59:18documentation.

59:20>> I have a second question.

59:22>> Okay.

59:23>> Um

59:25The risk department shall notify the

59:27person of the determination in writing

59:28before the requested meeting.

59:31Does that Is that email or are we

59:33sending out snail mail? Cuz that does We

59:35do sometimes do snail mail.

59:39>> I'm not hearing you.

59:41>> I wanted to know about the writing in

59:43writing. Cuz we literally will send

59:45letters to people saying, "Hey, come to

59:48our personnel meeting."

59:50>> In writing means in writing. If the

59:52person sends something in the mail,

59:55they'll be responded to in the mail. If

59:57they send something by email, I presume

59:59they'll be responded to by email.

1:00:02>> Okay.

1:00:03>> Um

1:00:04I I mean, it just All it says is in

1:00:07writing. So, if

1:00:10it will be in writing.

1:00:11>> Okay.

1:00:15Councilman Klein, uh thank you, and I

1:00:17apologize for talking here, but uh

1:00:20um

1:00:22when I go to the state house to get um a

1:00:26um

1:00:27a disability license plate or

1:00:31they determine what the documentation

1:00:33is. There's a form that I have to bring

1:00:34to my doctor. They sign it and do the

1:00:37appropriate checks.

1:00:38I don't think we should say what that

1:00:40documentation is. Risk management is

1:00:42making the decision. Let them determine

1:00:45what they think is necessary and so on.

1:00:47And if it's a form like they use in the

1:00:49state house, so be it. I just don't

1:00:51think we should become that. I

1:00:53understand what you're saying, but I

1:00:54just don't think we should become that

1:00:56prescriptive of it. I think that we

1:00:57should let risk management um decide

1:01:00what is the best form. They may use the

1:01:03state's form. That's their

1:01:05able for them to do it. Granted, that's

1:01:07for walking disability, so they would

1:01:08probably have to amend it, but I don't

1:01:11think we should be so prescriptive as to

1:01:13say that you need to have

1:01:15um

1:01:16that type of thing. They know what

1:01:18documentation they need.

1:01:20>> Alderman Clements

1:01:21>> Yeah, to to follow up on the previous

1:01:23comment, too, that was the problem with

1:01:25the first iteration of this ordinance.

1:01:28Was that it wasn't inclusive enough.

1:01:31>> Mhm.

1:01:33>> This language makes it inclusive enough

1:01:36to include everybody.

1:01:41>> Further discussion on the amendment.

1:01:47All those in favor say I.

1:01:48>> I.

1:01:49>> I.

1:01:49>> Roll call, please.

1:01:50>> Oh, she did ask.

1:01:51>> Yes, for roll call. My bad. Okay. Clerk,

1:01:54call the roll, please.

1:01:55>> Alderman Clements

1:01:56>> Yes.

1:01:58>> Alderman Cleary

1:01:59>> Yes.

1:02:00>> Alderman Revelle

1:02:02>> Yes.

1:02:03>> Alderman Tunney

1:02:04>> No.

1:02:06>> Alderman O'Brien

1:02:07>> Yes.

1:02:09>> Alderman Greg

1:02:10>> Yes.

1:02:11>> Alderman Dowell

1:02:12>> Yes.

1:02:13>> Alderman Sullivan

1:02:14>> Yes.

1:02:16>> Alderman Burnett

1:02:17>> Yes.

1:02:19>> Alderman Johnson

1:02:20>> Yes.

1:02:23>> Alderwoman Kelly

1:02:24>> No.

1:02:26>> Alderman Morgan

1:02:27>> Yes.

1:02:29>> Alderman Lopez

1:02:30>> Yes.

1:02:32>> Alderman Waguespack

1:02:33>> Yes.

1:02:34>> 12 yeas, two nays.

1:02:36>> The motion carries.

1:02:38>> Now, we need

1:02:41>> Alderman Clements

1:02:42>> Motion

1:02:43uh

1:02:45for O2026-002

1:02:47as newly amended for final passage.

1:02:50>> Roll call.

1:02:53Alderwoman Kelly

1:02:56>> I just want to

1:02:58I'm not going to support this, which I'm

1:03:00sure it's not surprising to everybody,

1:03:01but I just want to put out there that

1:03:03the reason I asked all of my questions

1:03:05is because I think there's a lot of

1:03:06ambiguities here, and mark my words, we

1:03:08are going to get sued for this. I just

1:03:11know we are. I just know someone's going

1:03:13to say, "I'm a single parent. I can't do

1:03:15this now." I would rather us just do

1:03:16Zoom for everybody.

1:03:18It just so many rabbit holes. So, that

1:03:21is my that has been my concern from the

1:03:23beginning and it continues to be.

1:03:28>> Motion is for final passage as amended.

1:03:30Will the clerk call the roll, please?

1:03:31>> Alderman Clemens.

1:03:32>> Yes.

1:03:33>> Alderman Clay.

1:03:34>> Yes.

1:03:35>> Alderman Reardon.

1:03:36>> No.

1:03:38>> Alderman Teo.

1:03:39>> No.

1:03:41>> Alderman O'Brien.

1:03:42>> Yes.

1:03:45>> Alderman Greg.

1:03:46>> Yes.

1:03:49>> Alderman Dowd.

1:03:50>> Yes.

1:03:52>> Alderman Sullivan.

1:03:53>> Yes.

1:03:55>> Alderman Sonnett.

1:03:56>> Yes.

1:03:58>> Alderman Johnson.

1:03:59>> Yes.

1:04:02>> Alderwoman Kelly.

1:04:03>> No.

1:04:06>> Alderman Morgan.

1:04:07>> Yes.

1:04:09>> Alderman Lopez.

1:04:10>> Yes.

1:04:12>> Alderman Wilshire.

1:04:13>> Yes.

1:04:13>> 11 yes, three nays.

1:04:15>> That motion carries and ordinance 26002

1:04:18is duly adopted as amended.

1:04:23Alderman Reardon.

1:04:27>> Thank you, Madam President. I'd like to

1:04:29make a motion to remove from the table

1:04:32R-26062.

1:04:36>> Is there a second to the motion?

1:04:37Is there discussion on that?

1:04:40All those in favor say aye.

1:04:42>> Aye.

1:04:43>> All those opposed? Motion carries.

1:04:47>> Third reading of R-26-062

1:04:51authorizing the mayor and city treasurer

1:04:53to issue bonds not to exceed $2 million

1:04:56for various improvements at the solid

1:04:58waste department Four Hills Landfill.

1:05:01>> Alderman Reardon.

1:05:05>> Thank you, Madam President. I'd like to

1:05:07make a motion for final passage of

1:05:10R-26062

1:05:12by roll call, please.

1:05:15>> You've heard the motion. Discussion.

1:05:17>> Alderman O'Brien, we didn't vote on

1:05:19taking it table.

1:05:20>> Yes, we did.

1:05:21>> We did.

1:05:21>> Yes, we did. We did.

1:05:23>> Yes, we did.

1:05:24>> Yeah, we just did a five-voice vote.

1:05:26>> Was I there? Sorry, I was

1:05:27>> I was here.

1:05:28You were here.

1:05:30>> [laughter]

1:05:32>> Yep, we did.

1:05:34>> Any further discussion?

1:05:36>> Yes.

1:05:40>> Will the clerk call the roll, please?

1:05:42>> Alderman Clemens.

1:05:43>> Yes.

1:05:44>> Alderman Clee.

1:05:45>> Yes.

1:05:46>> Alderman Revand.

1:05:48>> Yes.

1:05:49>> Alderman Theo.

1:05:50>> No.

1:05:52>> Alderman O'Brien.

1:05:53>> Yes.

1:05:55>> Alderman Gregg.

1:05:56>> Yes.

1:05:57>> Alderman Dowd.

1:05:58>> Yes.

1:05:59>> Alderman Sullivan.

1:06:00>> No.

1:06:02>> Alderman Senate.

1:06:03>> Yes.

1:06:05>> Alderman Johnson.

1:06:06>> No.

1:06:07>> Alderwoman Kelly.

1:06:08>> Yes.

1:06:10>> Alderman Morgan.

1:06:11>> Yes.

1:06:13>> Alderman Lopez.

1:06:14>> Yes.

1:06:16>> Alderman Wilshire.

1:06:17>> Yes.

1:06:17>> 11 yes, three nays.

1:06:19>> That motion carries and resolution 2662

1:06:22is declared duly adopted. New business

1:06:24resolutions.

1:06:26>> First reading of R-26-077

1:06:31relative to the supplemental

1:06:32appropriation

1:06:33of $146,716.94

1:06:38of fiscal year 2027 unanticipated

1:06:41revenue into fund number 7024

1:06:45opioid abatement expendable trust fund.

1:06:49>> Additional sponsors?

1:06:51Alderman Clee, Alderman O'Brien,

1:06:53Alderman Gregg, Alderman Dowd, Alderman

1:06:56Senate, Alderwoman Kelly, Alderman

1:06:58Morgan, Alderman Lopez,

1:07:01and myself.

1:07:02Given that's first reading, I'll assign

1:07:04that to the Budget Review Committee and

1:07:05schedule a special Board of Aldermen

1:07:07public hearing on Monday, November 23rd,

1:07:102026 in the Aldermanic Chamber at 7:00

1:07:12p.m.

1:07:13>> First reading of R-26-078

1:07:18authorizing the mayor to enter into

1:07:20first amendment to High Street Garage

1:07:22Lease with Nashua Apartment Ventures

1:07:24LLC.

1:07:25>> Additional sponsors?

1:07:27Alderman O'Brien, Alderman Gregg,

1:07:29Alderman Dowd, Alderman Morgan.

1:07:32Given its first reading, I'll assign

1:07:33that to the Finance Committee.

1:07:35>> First reading of R-26-079,

1:07:39authorizing the mayor to enter into

1:07:41School Street Parking Garage Lease

1:07:43with Nashua Apartment Ventures LLC.

1:07:46>> Additional sponsors?

1:07:48Alderman O'Brien, Alderman Gregg,

1:07:50Alderman Dowd, Alderman Morgan. Given

1:07:52its first reading, I'll assign that to

1:07:54the Finance Committee.

1:07:57New business ordinances.

1:07:59>> First reading of O-26-027,

1:08:02amendment to parking permits, High

1:08:04Street Garage.

1:08:05>> Additional sponsors? Alderman O'Brien,

1:08:08Alderman Gregg,

1:08:09Alderman Dowd, and Alderman Morgan.

1:08:12Given its first reading, I'll assign

1:08:13that to the Personnel Administrative

1:08:15Affairs Committee.

1:08:17>> First reading of O-26-028,

1:08:20amendment to parking permits, School

1:08:22Street Parking Garage.

1:08:24>> Additional sponsors?

1:08:25Alderman O'Brien, Alderman Gregg,

1:08:27Alderman Dowd, Alderman Morgan. Given

1:08:29its first reading, I'll assign that to

1:08:31the Personnel Administrative Affairs

1:08:32Committee.

1:08:33Period for general public comment. We

1:08:35have two people signed up. Patrice Noel.

1:08:42>> Can everybody hear me?

1:08:43>> Yes.

1:08:44>> Yes.

1:08:44>> Um I've spoken a couple times before.

1:08:46>> I Yeah, your name and town

1:08:48>> My name is Patrice Noel.

1:08:50>> Town of residence?

1:08:51>> Pardon me?

1:08:52>> Town of residence?

1:08:53>> I live in Nashua.

1:08:54>> Okay. Thank you.

1:08:56>> And I'm going to tell you guys all this

1:08:57again. I am still homeless. I am 71

1:09:00years old, and there is no excuse for

1:09:02that. And with regards to Zoom meetings,

1:09:06I wouldn't qualify that cuz I'm not

1:09:08handicapped, but I will tell you I am I

1:09:10am without food today so I could afford

1:09:11to buy gas to get here to speak.

1:09:15Does anybody here know how many homeless

1:09:17people there are in the city?

1:09:19Are there any statistics any statistics

1:09:20statistics that are kept how many

1:09:22adults, how many children?

1:09:24No. Okay.

1:09:27Um

1:09:30And the reason I'm homeless

1:09:32has to do with elder abuse. And I

1:09:33reported it to the police, I reported it

1:09:35to the state, and nobody has done

1:09:37anything. More than one incident. This

1:09:40was at the Mary Sweeney Home on Pearl

1:09:42Street. I was evicted when the manager

1:09:45got on the witness stand and committed

1:09:47perjury.

1:09:48So, since then I've been homeless.

1:09:50I'm on approximately 20 waiting lists.

1:09:54The wait list times are

1:09:56anywhere from 2 years to 11 years, which

1:09:59is ridiculous.

1:10:01I've been couch surfing.

1:10:04Um

1:10:07See what else do I got here.

1:10:10I've also gotten reports from other

1:10:12people who are having housing issues.

1:10:14I've heard some comments from people who

1:10:16lived at some of natural housing

1:10:18buildings who say that they've seen

1:10:20apartments there that have been vacant

1:10:21for 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 months. More than one

1:10:25apartment at a time, and then that is

1:10:27ridiculous. They should not be vacant

1:10:29for more than 2 weeks.

1:10:31When you have people living on the

1:10:32street.

1:10:35I also got another complaint from

1:10:37another homeless person who saw them

1:10:39doing the murals on the garages. I don't

1:10:41know where the funding came for that. I

1:10:42did not have time to research that. But

1:10:45this person is also living on the

1:10:46street, and more often than not can't

1:10:48even get a bed at the overnight shelter.

1:10:52Paint versus

1:10:54a mural versus a bed for a homeless

1:10:57person? Give me a break.

1:11:01Um

1:11:07I am going to report the charity.

1:11:10I've spoken to the Attorney General's

1:11:12office and the police department. Police

1:11:14department, as I said, I'm going to say

1:11:16again, they've done nothing about the

1:11:17abuse.

1:11:18The state agency has done nothing about

1:11:21the abuse. You leave a message and they

1:11:23never call you back.

1:11:25Um

1:11:26>> 20 seconds.

1:11:28The

1:11:31And I know there are some empty empty

1:11:33buildings that could be used for

1:11:34overnight shelters. I know you do a

1:11:35warming shelter in the winter, but

1:11:37that's not enough. That's a band-aid. An

1:11:39overnight shelter is a band-aid. These

1:11:41people need a first a place to live.

1:11:43Second, they need social services,

1:11:45counseling

1:11:46Time is up.

1:11:47>> [clears throat]

1:11:50>> And if anybody has any questions, they

1:11:52can come see me.

1:11:54Lori Ortolano

1:12:06Lori Ortolano, Nashua. I'm always

1:12:08enlightened when I listen to the

1:12:09discussion regarding this Zoom issue. Um

1:12:13You know, as far as documentation raised

1:12:15by Shoshanna Kelly, whether it email or

1:12:17mail, just she made a good point.

1:12:20Because risk management told the person

1:12:23who applied that the letter has to be

1:12:25mailed to her. And then proceeded after

1:12:28it didn't send it to her to email her

1:12:31another letter.

1:12:32Okay, but she waited snail mail.

1:12:35And they told her that's the only way

1:12:36they can send it to her is through the

1:12:38US Postal Service.

1:12:41I don't know what that's about. I can

1:12:43tell you her concerns about suits,

1:12:45they're real.

1:12:46Because the New Hampshire Commission on

1:12:48Human Rights took this person's

1:12:50complaint, took all the paperwork,

1:12:51responded back in two days, and said,

1:12:54"You have more than enough information

1:12:56for us to go after the city." It's

1:12:57coming into the city now. It's been

1:13:00notarized, stamped, and it's coming in

1:13:02for review.

1:13:04Okay, as far as leaving risk management

1:13:06up to decide

1:13:08what documentation is right

1:13:11um

1:13:13um what documentation is correct

1:13:16What does that mean? Because the person

1:13:18who applied

1:13:20wrote, "You know, I can't walk anymore.

1:13:23I can't sit for long periods of time."

1:13:25This is a person you knew who came to

1:13:27this chamber that the city, I would

1:13:29expect risk management knew is very

1:13:31active. Was here giving public comment

1:13:34for years. Has not been around for over

1:13:36what, 18 months? Maybe 2 years?

1:13:39Still files lots of right to knows,

1:13:41believe it or not, more than me.

1:13:43Still writes a lot of articles, very

1:13:45civic-minded.

1:13:47Why wasn't she credible when she said,

1:13:50"I can't walk anymore

1:13:52and I can't come sit out here anymore?"

1:13:55Um why wasn't she credible? You don't

1:13:57even see her in the city hall building

1:13:59anymore.

1:14:01Risk management said, "No. Take an Uber

1:14:05and we'll put a seat cushion down for

1:14:07you."

1:14:08That was their decision for this person.

1:14:11So, when attorney Bolton says, "Let's

1:14:13let risk management figure out," I have

1:14:16no confidence that they're capable of

1:14:19doing that.

1:14:20There's a game, an artsy little game

1:14:22going on here with legal. When they

1:14:25don't want to say the words "medical

1:14:28record" or "get a doctor's note," they

1:14:30say it can be anything.

1:14:32It's vague because they know they don't

1:14:35want to put themselves in the crosshair

1:14:37of a liability by specifying that it has

1:14:40to be a medical record. Because I think

1:14:42once again, Shoshana Kelly or somebody

1:14:45said, "Does it have to be medical?" And

1:14:48um or it doesn't have to be, you don't

1:14:49have to say. And I think attorney Bolton

1:14:51jumped on that and said, "You're wrong."

1:14:53But now I think she's right.

1:14:56Because you don't want to specify that.

1:14:58I'm

1:15:00you know, it's proper to open it up,

1:15:03this let's wait and see. that. Get

1:15:05everyone into Zoom, John Sullivan.

1:15:08>> Just do it.

1:15:10Because you're going to get served and

1:15:12it's coming your way soon.

1:15:14Thanks for nothing. And I was her

1:15:16advocate and I'm filing with the New

1:15:18Hampshire Commission on human rights,

1:15:20too, on her behalf. Because I came out

1:15:22here and I watched it all and it was

1:15:24terrible.

1:15:30>> Okay, that that concludes our meeting.

1:15:33Remarks by members of the board.

1:15:37Alderman Clements.

1:15:38>> Thank you, madam

1:15:39president. I just wanted to

1:15:42comment that

1:15:45um

1:15:46Forgive me for going back into my notes

1:15:48here.

1:15:49Um

1:15:51I voted no

1:15:53on the

1:15:55uh

1:15:57library bond

1:15:59uh because I am disappointed with the

1:16:04I'm disappointed with the negotiations

1:16:06and the progress that is being made

1:16:09there. And um so I withheld my

1:16:13my vote on uh

1:16:16that project because I believe that

1:16:19uh there needs to be some

1:16:21fairness

1:16:23uh to the employees

1:16:26uh on by the city.

1:16:28So I just wanted to explain that. I

1:16:30actually support the project.

1:16:32I think it's going to be a good uh thing

1:16:34for the city.

1:16:36Um

1:16:37but at this time

1:16:39I felt that you know, this board should

1:16:42have put some leverage

1:16:44on uh

1:16:45on them to to for the city to negotiate

1:16:48more fairly.

1:16:50Thank you.

1:16:51>> May I respond?

1:16:53>> You may.

1:16:53>> I'm the head negotiator.

1:16:56Nothing has been done unfairly. And you

1:16:58don't know you haven't been at any of

1:17:00those sessions. You don't know what went

1:17:02on. It's all been fair. It's all been

1:17:05legal.

1:17:07>> Well, I wish you would do a better job.

1:17:10>> You don't know what kind of job. You

1:17:11have no idea. Frankly, sir, you don't

1:17:14know what you're talking about.

1:17:16>> Okay.

1:17:18Well, that's my opinion, sir.

1:17:22Uh I can May I continue?

1:17:24>> Sure.

1:17:25>> Now that because I want I now I want to

1:17:28respond to that.

1:17:29Um

1:17:32I know what I know.

1:17:35And I know when I talk to

1:17:37the employees that they are very

1:17:39unhappy.

1:17:41And you know, it it just seems to me

1:17:44that

1:17:45it's it's a shame that things are

1:17:47dragging on the way that they are.

1:17:50And it's a small unit. And I just wish

1:17:54uh that

1:17:56you know, again, that things were going

1:17:59in a better direction.

1:18:00So, I'm going to leave it at that.

1:18:04>> Alderman Tibo.

1:18:06>> Thank you, Madam President. I mean, I I

1:18:07echo the words of Alderman Clemons. I

1:18:10you know, over 100 days, four

1:18:11mediations.

1:18:13I'll leave I'll leave that at that, but

1:18:14that was why my vote was that way. Um

1:18:17it's at an impasse, so it's not we're

1:18:19not going against the fair labor

1:18:20standards by by saying anything about

1:18:23it, but I'm not going to go any deeper

1:18:24than that, but that was why my vote was

1:18:25that way. I'm pro-library. I want the

1:18:27library to be built. Um but I feel like

1:18:29it's our right at times to to vote the

1:18:32way we want to vote. And not to be

1:18:33shamed for our vote and and uh

1:18:36you know, I'm trying to do what's right

1:18:37by people in the city, people that work

1:18:38at the library, that maybe live in my

1:18:40ward.

1:18:41Um and so, you know, we have

1:18:42constituents we have to answer for.

1:18:44Um and uh bless you.

1:18:47Uh also, I want to speak on So, I went

1:18:50to the couple of us were at the Chamber

1:18:52of Commerce uh debate this morning or

1:18:54forum this morning uh between Governor

1:18:56Ayotte and uh Cindy Warmington. And uh

1:18:59you would think the you know, when they

1:19:01asked about, you know, what's the

1:19:02biggest

1:19:04area of what needed for the state or for

1:19:06the city of Nashua, you know,

1:19:08unfortunately, Zoom didn't come up, but

1:19:11housing did.

1:19:13And what I was so annoyed by is the fact

1:19:16that

1:19:18Mohawk Tannery and

1:19:21um

1:19:24was

1:19:25she dropped that that three times.

1:19:28And

1:19:30that she took credit for the governor

1:19:32took credit for for doing that. And

1:19:34being part of that. And to be be

1:19:37she dropped the ceremonial shovel into

1:19:38the ground.

1:19:40And this board, and the board before

1:19:42that, and boards before that, and the

1:19:44mayor

1:19:45have been working on getting Mohawk

1:19:47Tannery in the shape that it's in, where

1:19:49it's getting cleaned up, and we're

1:19:50getting up housing there. Not a two-term

1:19:53governor. And I'm sorry, you can't take

1:19:55credit for something that the city of

1:19:56Nashua, all the employees in this city,

1:20:00have worked so hard

1:20:02to to uh

1:20:04to to put together over the years. And

1:20:05it's been hard because if we we were

1:20:06able to do it, it would have been done

1:20:0740 years ago.

1:20:09It's been a long, long process. People

1:20:11like citizens like Sandy Belknap, who's

1:20:13been so involved in trying to get this

1:20:14done.

1:20:16You can't take credit for that, I'm

1:20:17sorry. I know when we talked about

1:20:19housing and how short we are in housing

1:20:20in the city and of the state, you want

1:20:23to show that as an example of something

1:20:24you're doing.

1:20:25Just being the governor when something

1:20:27starts does not say you've done

1:20:30something for it.

1:20:31And uh so I was I was very disappointed

1:20:34She also dropped Maynard Manor, which

1:20:36again, I don't think she's done anything

1:20:38with.

1:20:39Um again, it's the good people of the

1:20:40city of Nashua. And I would never take

1:20:42credit. It's like me taking credit for

1:20:44doing the Performing Arts Center or

1:20:45McCarthy Middle School. I wasn't on the

1:20:47board then. So why would I take credit

1:20:49for it? I had nothing to do with it.

1:20:51And so I was very disappointed in that.

1:20:54Next week you have a chance to vote.

1:20:55Vote the right way. Vote your

1:20:57conscience.

1:20:58Um

1:20:59we need housing in this city.

1:21:01And if we have the same legislature that

1:21:04has at-will

1:21:06at-will evictions

1:21:07and other items that that keep people

1:21:09from living in this city, including the

1:21:11the the speaker we had tonight,

1:21:14then we should not be voting the same

1:21:15way. Property taxes have been in the

1:21:17same party for 10 years, five terms.

1:21:22Property taxes in this city keep going

1:21:23up. That's got to tell you something.

1:21:25It's going in the wrong direction. So

1:21:27why not change it? So vote next week.

1:21:30Everybody needs to come out. We need a

1:21:31big turnout. Please vote.

1:21:34Thank you.

1:21:35>> Alderman Gregoire.

1:21:36>> Um thank you, Madam President. I just

1:21:38wanted to express, you know, we have

1:21:39gotten a lot of emails about the library

1:21:41and I think a lot of people are

1:21:43concerned about where that's going,

1:21:45obviously. And I just wanted to express

1:21:46my support for our library workers. We

1:21:49don't have anything to do with that

1:21:50contract position, but I certainly

1:21:52support our hardworking um library uh

1:21:56well, library workers. There's a lot of

1:21:57workers in there. But anyway, um they

1:21:59have dealt with not only, you know, the

1:22:01typical uh things that you see, but um

1:22:04you know, atypical things even in that

1:22:06library, too. And I think we everyone on

1:22:08this board is passionate and supportive

1:22:11of them. Um I also wanted to uh say that

1:22:14I'm happy that we have made it a

1:22:16priority that we want to see um our uh

1:22:20constituents be able to spoken word if

1:22:22they cannot physically get here, and

1:22:24that's a great first step in that. I

1:22:26also want to thank everybody at this

1:22:27Horseshoe for their passion. I think a

1:22:29lot of times um we can uh have

1:22:31disagreements and stuff, but this is

1:22:33really uh truly a passionate board

1:22:35that's working for whatever their view

1:22:37of the betterment of the city is, and I

1:22:39appreciate that. So, and I also want to

1:22:41plug that please go vote. Your voice is

1:22:43your biggest testament to whether or not

1:22:46you agree or don't agree with how the

1:22:47state's being run, and even if you only

1:22:50know one thing to vote for, vote for

1:22:52that one thing because it matters, and

1:22:54everybody out there's voice matters.

1:22:55Thank you.

1:22:57>> Alderman Senate.

1:22:58>> Thank you, Madam President. I want to uh

1:23:01certainly um

1:23:03join in uh um with my colleagues in

1:23:06encouraging everybody to go out uh next

1:23:08Tuesday and

1:23:10uh vote. We have very

1:23:13wide open uh polling hours uh here in

1:23:16Nashua, which I think is a benefit to

1:23:18everybody. Um maybe not necessarily the

1:23:21uh

1:23:22poll workers who you don't see it, but

1:23:25they're already um hard at work

1:23:27preparing for uh

1:23:2914 plus hours on the clock next week

1:23:33um

1:23:34counting ballots, sorting supplies, um

1:23:36getting stuck in elevators, um

1:23:39>> [laughter]

1:23:40>> and um

1:23:41their work is really a um

1:23:45a a testament to Nashua because I I feel

1:23:48like in all nine wards, uh our elections

1:23:51tend to run very smoothly. That's a

1:23:52testament to the leadership of our city

1:23:54clerk.

1:23:55Um we have a really good system here,

1:23:57and

1:23:58I certainly want to encourage everybody

1:24:00to um

1:24:02to go vote next week.

1:24:04Uh to that end, um

1:24:06I don't usually like to make a

1:24:08spectacle, but this uh gargantuan pin on

1:24:11my lapel

1:24:13uh tonight comes from uh the Secretary

1:24:15of State

1:24:16who has been um implementing a program

1:24:19>> [clears throat]

1:24:19>> uh titled Vote in Honor of a Veteran.

1:24:23Um

1:24:24in the spirit of next week's uh

1:24:26election, uh folks who have offered

1:24:29testimony um

1:24:30about veterans that have uh

1:24:34served our country um so that we can

1:24:36continue to come out every couple of

1:24:39years and

1:24:40cast our votes um

1:24:42have received this pin. I think they're

1:24:44still issuing them, so if you wanted to

1:24:46visit the Secretary of State's uh

1:24:48site and get your own, it's a lot larger

1:24:51than I anticipated it being, but

1:24:53nevertheless, I I was happy to share

1:24:55with the Secretary of State um

1:24:57>> [clears throat]

1:24:58>> my story about a um a World War II and

1:25:01Korean veteran who after his service

1:25:03came home

1:25:05and um

1:25:06and served the town of Arlington,

1:25:08Massachusetts as a town registrar and a

1:25:12long-time town meeting member uh

1:25:16by the name of Frederick Joseph Sennett

1:25:18the uh the second, Jr.

1:25:23Uh in that spirit, too, and as we talk

1:25:26about the library,

1:25:27I'd like to um I'd like to commend the

1:25:30Friends of the Nashua Public Library who

1:25:32held an incredible event this weekend.

1:25:35Um

1:25:35every year Nashua uh the Friends of the

1:25:37Nashua Public Library hold their Nashua

1:25:39Reads.

1:25:40Uh they select a book,

1:25:42get numerous copies for the library to

1:25:44um have and to share.

1:25:46Uh this year's book was titled uh

1:25:48Property of the Revolution. Uh it's by

1:25:51Anna Hibra Flaster,

1:25:52who is a uh a woman who at the

1:25:56age of uh 6 to 8 uh escaped uh Cuba with

1:26:01her family in the early days

1:26:03of um

1:26:04Fidel Castro's um revolution, if you

1:26:07will,

1:26:08and settled here in Nashua, New

1:26:10Hampshire, uh right on Amherst Street.

1:26:13And

1:26:14Property of the Revolution uh tells her

1:26:16story about um

1:26:19leaving her home and finding a new one

1:26:21here in our city. I

1:26:24could not have been happier to be there.

1:26:26Her She

1:26:28gave a wonderful presentation sharing

1:26:30stories of um

1:26:33uh leaving behind family, uh some that

1:26:36she may never see again,

1:26:38and um and coming here with her family

1:26:40and finding a new home. So, I I

1:26:43certainly recommend that book to

1:26:44anybody. I thank the

1:26:46the Friends of the Nashua Public Library

1:26:47and the folks at the Public Library

1:26:49uh for putting that on. I feel that all

1:26:52rolls into the um the spirit of this

1:26:55month and a very important election

1:26:56ahead of us. Um

1:27:00the world we live in is different from

1:27:01the world beyond our borders, and uh we

1:27:04should be thankful for that. So,

1:27:06everybody go vote, go read a good book,

1:27:09and uh patronize the Nashua Public

1:27:11Library cuz we've got a really good one.

1:27:12Thank you.

1:27:14>> Alderman Johnson.

1:27:15>> Thank you very much. I want to thank

1:27:16everybody again for voting for the

1:27:18ordinance and being able to allow people

1:27:20who are disabled um to zoom. It's a

1:27:23start. It might not be perfect, but it's

1:27:25a start right now. Also, I know Veterans

1:27:29Day is coming up, and we all should

1:27:31thank our veterans for what they've done

1:27:33for our this country and all other

1:27:35countries that we've sent them over to

1:27:37protect the borders.

1:27:39Um I want to just comment on the

1:27:42library,

1:27:43and I don't I really don't want to say

1:27:45very much. Um if you've never sat on a

1:27:48negotiating team, that's a hell of a

1:27:50thing to sit on. It and I've done it

1:27:52being on the board of Ed the last time.

1:27:55You know, it really is a give and take

1:27:56and you don't always come out

1:27:58everybody's not always happy. I've read

1:28:00a lot of the emails

1:28:02from

1:28:03um the employees and their friends um

1:28:07and supporters.

1:28:08I'm

1:28:10But, it sounds like they're not getting

1:28:12paid, which they are getting paid. They

1:28:14still get their salaries in the middle

1:28:15of negotiation and they just haven't

1:28:17gotten what they wanted at this point in

1:28:19time.

1:28:20But, it's really not at our point in

1:28:22time that we should really be sitting

1:28:24here and talking about the negotiations.

1:28:26Even if they're at an impasse,

1:28:28we don't know what both sides are

1:28:30talking about and that's why even when I

1:28:32was on the negotiating teams, if there

1:28:34was impasses or anything, I never talked

1:28:36about it because you don't know what's

1:28:38going to happen in arbitration or

1:28:40whatever the next step is going to be.

1:28:43So,

1:28:44being a Libra, I weigh both sides of the

1:28:47scale here, the scale of justice. I

1:28:49would just say what we need to do is

1:28:51just sit back, see what happens before

1:28:54because a contract is coming before us

1:28:56eventually anyway.

1:28:58And so, with that, I want to say I look

1:29:00forward to being the Veterans Day

1:29:02parade. Um it's going to be very special

1:29:05meaning for me this year, even more so.

1:29:08And um thank you for everybody again.

1:29:11>> Alderman Kelly.

1:29:12I hate to be the like 18th person to say

1:29:15vote on Tuesday, but please vote on

1:29:16Tuesday. Um I know it's going to be a

1:29:18long night and I appreciate our clerk um

1:29:21and all of the people that make the

1:29:23polls work. Uh we have a very robust

1:29:26schedule, so people can get out before

1:29:27work, after work. Um and I just I hope

1:29:30that everybody shows up and and does

1:29:33this thing called democracy. Um I think

1:29:35it's going to be an important day. So,

1:29:37um

1:29:38I'm going to close my note on the Zoom

1:29:41thing.

1:29:42Um

1:29:43it was previously said

1:29:45uh that this was a step and that you

1:29:47know, every voice matters and we are

1:29:49passionate in this in this chamber and I

1:29:51was passionate when we rolled this back.

1:29:53And I was passionate because I felt

1:29:57as [clears throat] hard as it was during

1:29:59COVID, it gave anybody who wanted to

1:30:01speak to us the opportunity to do so.

1:30:04And if we are allowing if we're past all

1:30:06those barriers, we talked about it. I

1:30:07remember the barriers were oh,

1:30:09implementation and time and you know,

1:30:12administration and we had people if

1:30:13we're past all those barriers, then we

1:30:16should open it up to everybody because

1:30:17what we're saying now is we're actually

1:30:19gatekeeping that people who should speak

1:30:20to us have to have a disability if they

1:30:22want to use Zoom.

1:30:24And I think that the woman who spoke,

1:30:25Patrice, who said she had to choose

1:30:27between food and gas, I think she should

1:30:29be have the same right to talk to us via

1:30:31Zoom if that makes it better for her.

1:30:33And I think if a parent who can't get

1:30:35here because their kid that you know, is

1:30:38is unable to sit in that seat wants to

1:30:40talk to us, then they should be able to

1:30:41talk to us. And so if we are past the

1:30:44Zoom thing, I am happily and I will

1:30:45bring it forward at the next board

1:30:47meeting, then we should do Zoom for all.

1:30:50Thank you.

1:30:51>> Alderman Morgan.

1:30:53>> Thank you, Madam Chair.

1:30:54Um,

1:30:55I did want to say that while I did vote

1:30:58for the library to go through, um, I

1:31:01initially wasn't going to

1:31:03uh for reasons my my colleagues have all

1:31:06expressed. Um

1:31:09but I remembered some really smart

1:31:11people in this chamber have said we can

1:31:13walk and chew bubble gum at the same

1:31:14time. And so uh I voted for the library

1:31:18because I supported it and I didn't want

1:31:20to see this project

1:31:22um hit any delays unnecessarily. But I

1:31:26want to commend our

1:31:29constituents that have reached out to us

1:31:30in support of the library. Uh

1:31:33I have seen more emails for this one

1:31:36topic than any

1:31:39ever. And well, it's only been 10

1:31:42months, but still.

1:31:43Um it is an overwhelming support and and

1:31:46I hope that they know that and that they

1:31:47feel that and know that uh the support

1:31:50from this chamber

1:31:51is there despite voting yes or no for

1:31:55for different things. So, I hope that

1:31:58their negotiations continue

1:32:01um and come back to us with a favorable

1:32:03and fair result.

1:32:05Uh

1:32:05one thing I didn't hear anybody say,

1:32:07trick-or-treating is Saturday.

1:32:09Um it is 6:00 to 8:00.

1:32:11And also going back to voting, if you

1:32:14have employees or teams, please give

1:32:17them the time to vote. Give Encourage

1:32:20them. Just because they work here in

1:32:21Nashua, doesn't mean that they live here

1:32:23in Nashua. Please give them the extra

1:32:25time whether it's in the morning or

1:32:26getting out early or whatever it may be

1:32:28to be able to make that plan and to be

1:32:31able to go. And a thank you to all of

1:32:33our poll workers. It is

1:32:36you're the ones that make it happen. So,

1:32:38thank you very much.

1:32:40>> Alderman Lopez.

1:32:41>> Um so, I'm going to uh plus one the

1:32:43don't forget to vote. I also point out

1:32:45there are items on the ballot that

1:32:47aren't just who you're voting for. So,

1:32:48make sure you're looking at your ballots

1:32:50ahead of time, getting familiar with the

1:32:52different um

1:32:53items that are being proposed. If you

1:32:54don't understand [clears throat] it and

1:32:55you don't necessarily want something to

1:32:57change, then make that vote. But, make

1:32:59sure that you know there is more on the

1:33:01ballot than just who's going to be in

1:33:02which office.

1:33:04Um regarding the library, I appreciate

1:33:06the library and I I value the staff

1:33:08immensely. Um I support a favorable

1:33:11resolution to that. I would also just

1:33:13want to express that

1:33:14Attorney Bolton is a good negotiator and

1:33:17as was previously stated by um one of

1:33:19our colleagues, we all get passionate on

1:33:22a cause, but we're all trying to work

1:33:24towards the same goal, which is the

1:33:26betterment of the city. Um and I don't

1:33:28doubt Attorney Bolton's connection to

1:33:31the library, the library staff, or his

1:33:32commitment to the city. So, I'm

1:33:34confident that a resolution will be

1:33:36reached. Um and I appreciate the

1:33:37attention of the public to this issue

1:33:40because I think where the public gets

1:33:41involved, we do get a better resolution.

1:33:44Um

1:33:45finally, I would like to express um

1:33:47condolences to the family and um

1:33:50co-workers of Carol Farmer. She worked

1:33:53at um Greater Nashua Mental Health um I

1:33:56think for 40 years um and recently

1:33:58passed. Um When you have somebody who's

1:34:01been such an part of institution, she

1:34:04connects with a lot of people, she

1:34:05touches a lot of lives. And I know this

1:34:07particular time of year is a time of joy

1:34:09because there's so many celebrations,

1:34:10but it's also a time of struggle for a

1:34:12lot of people who are looking at who's

1:34:14missing from the table. So,

1:34:16I just wanted to express that

1:34:19and other than that, I have a happy

1:34:20Halloween.

1:34:23>> I too want to express my condolences to

1:34:25the family of Carol Farmer. She was

1:34:28she was quite a quite a lady. She did a

1:34:29lot of good work with mental health here

1:34:32in our city. So, she'll be missed.

1:34:35The library

1:34:38The library is a long overdue for the

1:34:40for the love it's it's going to get um

1:34:43and I look forward to that happening.

1:34:47I also hope that the

1:34:49um

1:34:50contract comes in soon and that's

1:34:52favorable.

1:34:55Committee announcements.

1:34:58Alderman Bryan.

1:34:59>> Uh thank you, Madam President.

1:35:01Uh tomorrow, Wednesday, October 28th,

1:35:056:00 p.m. here in the Aldermanic Chamber

1:35:08will be a joint meeting of the library

1:35:10trustees and the committee of

1:35:12infrastructure.

1:35:15Uh

1:35:16at 6:00 p.m.

1:35:18Now, at 7:00 p.m. we were supposed to

1:35:20have a regular meeting of the committee

1:35:22of infrastructure. However, no new items

1:35:25have been added on the agenda. So, I am

1:35:28canceling that. So, it's just going to

1:35:30be

1:35:31the meeting with the trustees at 6:00

1:35:34p.m. Thank you.

1:35:36>> Other committee announcements?

1:35:38Seeing none.

1:35:41>> [clears throat]

1:35:42>> Alderman Sullivan.

1:35:43>> I would like to make a motion that the

1:35:45Board of Aldermen go into a non-public

1:35:47session by roll call pursuant to RSA

1:35:4991-A {colon} 3 Roman numeral 2 E

1:35:54consideration or negotiation of pending

1:35:56claims or litigation

1:35:58which has been threatened in writing or

1:36:01filed by or against the public body or

1:36:05any submission sub- subdivision thereof,

1:36:09or by

1:36:11or against any member thereof because of

1:36:13his or her membership in such public

1:36:16body

1:36:17until the claim or litigation has been

1:36:19fully adjudicated

1:36:21or otherwise settled. Any application

1:36:23filed for tax abatement pursuant to law

1:36:26with any body

1:36:28or board shall not constitute a

1:36:30threatened or filed litigation against

1:36:32any public body

1:36:34for the purposes of this subparagraph.

1:36:40>> I second.

1:36:41>> Okay.

1:36:43Mr. Clerk, please call the roll.

1:36:44>> Alderman Clements.

1:36:45>> Yes.

1:36:47>> Alderman Cleary.

1:36:48>> Yes.

1:36:49>> Alderman Revan.

1:36:50>> Yes.

1:36:52>> Alderman Tibo.

1:36:53>> Yes.

1:36:54>> Alderman O'Brien.

1:36:55>> Yes.

1:36:57>> Alderman Griggs.

1:36:58>> Yes.

1:36:59>> Alderman Dowd.

1:37:00>> Yes.

1:37:01>> Alderman Sullivan.

1:37:02>> Yes.

1:37:03>> Alderman Sennett.

1:37:04>> Yes.

1:37:05>> Alderman Johnson.

1:37:06>> Yes.

1:37:07>> Alderwoman Kelly.

1:37:08>> Yes.

1:37:10>> Alderman Morgan.

1:37:11>> Yes.

1:37:12>> Alderman Lopez.

1:37:13>> Yes.

1:37:14>> Alderman Wiltshire.

1:37:15>> Yes.

1:37:15>> 14 yay, zero nay.

1:37:17>> And that motion carries.

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