2026-10-05 - Personnel and Administrative Affairs Committee

00:117 o'clock.

00:11>> Okay. Yeah, we're unmuted.

00:13>> We got nothing up there.

00:16>> Okay. I am going to call the meeting of

00:19the personnel administrative affairs

00:20committee uh to order. Today is Monday,

00:23October 5th, 2026. It is 7 p.m. and we

00:26are in the alder manic chamber. This has

00:28been duly noticed in two places,

00:30including the city's website, in

00:32accordance with the requirements of RSA

00:3391A colon 2,

00:36numeral 2. Uh, could the clerk please

00:39call the role?

00:41>> Alderman Thomas Lopez,

00:44Alderman Derek Tibo is here, Alderman

00:46Paula Johnson,

00:47>> present.

00:48>> Alderman at large, Ben Clemens, vice

00:49chair

00:50>> here.

00:50>> Alderman at large Kelly, chairwoman

00:53>> here.

00:54>> Uh, we have four. So, we have quorum. We

00:56also have in attendance uh Mayor Jim

00:58Donis, uh Director of Human Health and

01:01Human Services, uh Bobby Bagley, and

01:03Alderman at large Amber Morgan.

01:06Okay. Uh we'll start with public comment

01:09if anyone would like to speak.

01:22Lori Ordolano Nasha, I know you're going

01:24to take up the ordinance regarding um

01:26people with disabilities, I believe

01:27tonight. Um and this has been amended as

01:30of September 23rd. I have some questions

01:32that I'd like you to consider when you

01:34discuss it. Um I'm not a proponent of

01:36three business days being a requirement

01:38to contact um the Donogram to receive

01:42approval to be able to speak. that's not

01:45a requirement for anyone else. And I

01:47think 24 hours should be more than

01:48enough time. I also think that once a

01:50person is approved for ADA um Zoom

01:54access, that should be the end of it.

01:56They don't have to call every time they

01:58want to have access to a meeting. Um,

02:00the label for ADA Zoom access and link

02:03should be put on the board agenda and it

02:06should just be labeled ADA disabilities

02:08access for anyone who is um, uh, met the

02:11screening requirement and just put it

02:13out there and people can dial in who

02:15have the approval. Um, I don't think

02:17you're going to get a run on people

02:18being fraudsters putting on neck braces

02:21so that they can dial in to ask

02:22questions or talk to their board. I just

02:25don't see that as an issue and I don't

02:26see it as a fairness issue. I want to

02:28know what kind of documentation a person

02:30has to pro provide documenting their

02:33disability. This new copy says provides

02:36documentation. What is that? There's no

02:38definition of what that is. And now it

02:40appears that Donna Graham is going to be

02:42in charge of screening and not the ADA

02:44coordinator one. Is she becoming an ADA

02:47coordinator? What is the criteria for

02:49her to conduct the screening um to make

02:52certain that that documentation is

02:54acceptable? And what happens to the

02:56person's documentation once they give it

02:58to the city? It might have a doctor's

03:01name, personal confidential information.

03:03I have not seen the city handle

03:05confidential information well. Is it

03:07destroyed? Where is it kept? Who's

03:09responsible for these confidential

03:11documents? I would want to know where my

03:13documentation is being stored. Um

03:17I I So those are some of the questions

03:20that I have and I think that I'm hoping

03:22I thought legal was going to be here

03:24tonight to answer these questions. Um

03:26they should have been here tonight. I

03:28got a series of emails where uh the m uh

03:32a person who had requested um meetings

03:35regarding disabilities, Laura Calhoun.

03:38Um, I asked for where her email was sent

03:40and I got an email chain that showed

03:43that risk management Jenda Shane

03:45forwarded it to Donna Graham. Donna

03:47Graham wrote to Jenda Shane and said

03:50Lorie Wilshshire wants an opinion from

03:53Steve Steve um Bolton. That was on

03:56August 12th and that Steve Bolton was

03:59providing an opinion. Did he provide

04:01that opinion to just Lorie Wilshshire?

04:03Did he provide that? Do you all have

04:05that opinion? Is that opinion given to

04:07everyone? And you should because I don't

04:10think uh board president should have it

04:11and everyone else not have it. What was

04:13the opinion? And why is somebody not

04:16here to express what that opinion is?

04:18Because I think these questions uh you

04:20know, I want to see something passed. I

04:22think we have to get this moving. It's

04:24been 9 months and um the letter that

04:27Miss Cohen received from um the ADA

04:30compliance officer I thought was

04:32woefully inadequate and very poorly

04:34done. really I don't understand why the

04:37liability issue wasn't addressed in that

04:39letter by legal. I look forward to

04:41hearing your discussion. Thank you.

04:45>> Um communications.

04:48>> Um we have a communication from Alderman

04:50Paula Johnson uh regarding proposed

04:52amendment to ordinance 0-26-002.

04:57>> Leaning no objection, I will accept the

04:59communication and place it on file. Uh

05:01without objection, I would suspend the

05:03rules to allow for communication that

05:04was received after the agenda was

05:06prepared

05:07>> uh from office of corporation council

05:09regarding ordinance 0-26-002.

05:13>> Being no objection, I'll accept the

05:14communication and place it on file. We

05:17are going to go into interviews.

05:20Um first up, go ahead.

05:22>> Uh we have interviews for the homeless

05:23service services gap analysis committee.

05:26Uh Jane Goodman, new appointment to

05:28Quinsey Street, Nashville, New Hampshire

05:3003060.

05:31Uh Latana Mousoli, new appointment 3

05:34Crown Street, Nashville, New Hampshire

05:3503060. Uh Tanya Nicely,

05:39I think.

05:40>> Nicely new appointment 83 Major Drive,

05:43Nashville, New Hampshire 03060.

05:45>> Uh thank you. Uh we have Director Bagley

05:48here to speak about these potential

05:51appointees. I don't see Jane here, so

05:53hopefully she'll

05:54>> So Jane is on her way. Sorry. Good

05:56evening. Bobby Bagley, director for the

05:58Theresa Public Health and Community

06:00Services. And yes, I am here to speak on

06:02behalf of uh the candidates for the GAPS

06:07analysis and Jane Goodman is on her way.

06:10So u what I'd like to do is just speak

06:12to the two folks that are here right now

06:15and then um Jane will be here shortly.

06:18So um one of the candidates that is

06:22listed here is Latana Mucoli. Latana

06:25will sit in the seat of one of our

06:27service providers for an organization

06:29that currently provides services for

06:31individuals that have housing

06:32instability unhoused um as a

06:35representative from Family Promise. Lata

06:39has a master's degree in psychology from

06:41the Southern New Hampshire University

06:45has a bachelor's in psychology and has

06:48served with the city of Nasha.

06:51Welcome. didn't need to physically run

06:53here. [laughter]

06:57>> Um, demonstrate strong leadership

06:59skills. Um, is a former employee of the

07:03division of public health and community

07:04services housing services officer. Has a

07:08brings a great deal of experience to uh

07:11this particular gap analysis that needs

07:13to get done as far as having um

07:16experience with the research and data

07:17collection and looking at this for the

07:20past two years. Uh she has experience in

07:22quality assurance, budgeting and finance

07:25and management, strategic planning as a

07:27part of our strategic planning

07:28committee, um policy development, having

07:30spent time at the state house, uh

07:32defending and speaking on behalf of

07:35bills that are pertinent towards uh

07:36public health and will probably continue

07:38to do so with bills pertinent to uh

07:40housing and things that will impact

07:42families. Um she's also very active on

07:45committees and serves on the governor's

07:47council on housing stability, uh

07:49supportive housing, also serves on the

07:52subcommittee for the state as a co-chair

07:54for our greater Nashville continuum of

07:56care and is um on our public health

08:00advisory committee. Okay. So from a

08:03cadence perspective, let's have you

08:05introduce and then each candidate can

08:07just give their brief reasoning for

08:09wanting to be on this committee and then

08:10we'll have you go back introduce. then

08:13we'll open it up to the committee and

08:14the committee can direct a question to

08:16all of you or one of you. Um and I'll

08:18ask that you tell us which one.

08:20>> Okay. So, Lata.

08:22>> All right. Latana Muci. Um I am the

08:24executive director at Family Promise of

08:27Southern New Hampshire and our mission

08:29is to end homelessness one family at a

08:32time. Um I'm interested in being part of

08:34the gaps analysis committee because I am

08:36very passionate about ending

08:38homelessness in our community. Lifelong

08:40Nashville resident. Um, and I feel like

08:42all of my work experience is very

08:44connected to looking at what we're doing

08:46locally, statewide, and looking at the

08:49federal landscape for housing.

08:51>> Great. Thank you.

08:52>> Thank you.

08:53>> All right. Um, I will introduce Jane

08:55Goodman. Uh, Jane Goodman is currently

08:58the executive director for the natural

09:00soup kitchen and shelter. Jane Goodman

09:02has also been a part of the division of

09:04public health and community services.

09:05has experience with um this population

09:08group even more so now as the um

09:12director over at the national soup

09:14kitchen and shelter. Jane has experience

09:17as um executive director also worked in

09:20the public as a public health network

09:22strategist has been also um an adjunct

09:25instructor uh at Rivia University and

09:28was a program manager for the state. So

09:31she's worked at DHHS DHHS as a COPD No,

09:35that was Breathe New Hampshire.

09:36>> Oh, sorry. Breathe New Hampshire. Um, as

09:39the uh chronic obstructive pulmonary

09:42disease COPD program manager.

09:45So, strong advocacy skills there as

09:47well. Um, as far as community and civic

09:50leaderships, uh, has served on the board

09:52of directors or currently serves on the

09:54board of directors for Lampry

09:55Healthcare. Um, has been on the Hollis

09:58Brookline dollars for scholars as the

10:00president uh, in 20 from 2020 to 2023.

10:03served on the board of directors. Also

10:05served on the board of directors for the

10:06soup kitchen and shelter. Uh was an

10:08awesome auction chair at that time as

10:10well. Um also uh is on the board of

10:14directors for the temple. Beth Abram,

10:16which is one of our religious school uh

10:18in in Nasha, has been a Peacecore

10:21volunteer. Um and Jane has a master of

10:24science in public health and has a

10:26bachelor's of business administration um

10:29from the University of Michigan.

10:31>> Great. Jane, if you could speak to um

10:34your passion for being on this

10:37committee.

10:39>> Passion, that's um

10:42so um well, like Latana and um those

10:46around me, um our mission is to provide

10:50food and shelter um with dignity to

10:53individuals and families in need through

10:56direct services and partnerships. and

10:58we're always looking for ways to expand

11:02those services and to enhance what we

11:04can do, but also to stay within our own

11:07lane. Um, but we know that there's more

11:09need out there and um where to

11:12prioritize that need is really critical.

11:15So, I think this is a really critical

11:17step

11:19and I think um my exposure to um the

11:22homeless population

11:24and to the needs that we see every day

11:27at our shelter and at our pantry um will

11:31give me will hopefully add to the

11:33committee as some insight as to what's

11:35going on boots on the ground pretty much

11:37daily. And um yeah, I look forward to um

11:41being part of it.

11:44All right. Um, and

11:48uh [sighs]

11:50I'm trying to pronounce your name the

11:51wrong way. TA

11:53>> TA Nley uh is also selected to be on the

11:56gap analysis committee. Um she brings

12:00experience from the lived experience um

12:05uh position here. She's a Nashville

12:07resident and a community organizer. I've

12:10known Tona for a number of years as a

12:12member of the um greater Nasha uh COC

12:17and has a voice for advocacy for uh the

12:20population.

12:22She has leadership and policy experience

12:25uh as a member of the voices of major

12:28drive resident council. You've seen TA

12:31here in the chamber speaking on behalf

12:33and advocacy advocating for um issues

12:36around housing around services as well.

12:39Um she's on the great granite state

12:41organizing project as a board member and

12:43a volunteer and has served in that role

12:45for over 10 years. Um she's also served

12:48on the board of statewide New Hampshire

12:50community organizing um

12:53group and met with city officials on

12:55affordable housing, fair wages, safe

12:57practices for the city's most vulnerable

13:00populations. Uh she is also um in her

13:05role on the greater national of care.

13:07She's been on that in that role for the

13:09past eight years and has participated

13:11with us in decision making and

13:13contributing to a perspective from her

13:14own lived experience

13:18and has direct service experience as

13:20well. So the connection of this this

13:24trio here um is the work that's done in

13:27the community. Uh TA has also been a

13:30staff and a volunteer at the National

13:31Soup Kitchen and Shelter, has been a

13:33volunteer with GR Nasha, has been a

13:35volunteer with the United Way, the

13:38Gloria Timmons Community Center, and the

13:40Nasha Conservative Commission. So

13:42there's been some connection to uh this

13:44work and understanding some of the

13:45issues with with regards to housing um

13:49and with regards to the homeless

13:50population.

13:51>> Great. Miss Nley.

13:53>> Hi, my name is Tony Eisley. Um

13:57I my passion and I'm here is because all

14:01people no matter what their monetary

14:05value is or their mental capacity,

14:08everybody deserves a safe, dry, warm

14:13place to sleep. Everybody deserves food

14:16to eat and everybody deserves to be

14:18treated with kindness. So my interest

14:21and my experiences

14:27are

14:30I don't I don't know how to articulate

14:33um because of my experiences.

14:36I feel like I'm just I'm never gonna

14:38stop until fairness is until there's

14:40fairness, until there's some justice,

14:43until there's actually people thinking

14:45about about others and not only um

14:49thinking about what they would do for

14:52somebody else, but actually advocating

14:54for people for where they are.

14:59>> Great.

15:00>> I'm so sorry. I'm horrible. And

15:02>> No, you're doing great. You're doing

15:04great. Oh goodness. [clears throat] I

15:07know my experience.

15:09I was the manager for the Little Free

15:11Farm Stand and I did community outreach

15:13for Grown Ashua for over three years. I

15:15spent a lot of time in the neighborhoods

15:18on that truck talking to people. I mean,

15:21that [snorts] that's the most thing I

15:22did at the soup kitchen. I spent most of

15:24my time talking with people. um my

15:28experiences through um through the grown

15:31national and through the interfaith and

15:32through the soup kitchen, they just

15:35literally pushed me to learn more. And

15:38I'm hoping that being a part of um this

15:41committee, I would like to share that

15:43knowledge, share those experiences,

15:46and um and share hopefully a different

15:49perspective that maybe you guys haven't

15:50thought of yet.

15:52>> Great.

15:53And if I could just close with the again

15:56the selection of uh these three

15:59wellrounded

16:02experienced um folks for this committee.

16:05All three of these individuals have done

16:06work with our greater Nashville

16:08continuum of care over the past few

16:10years if not longer. uh which again

16:12looks at what's happening right now um

16:14with regards to housing instability

16:17addressing strategies to address that

16:19looking at programming and then again

16:22having provided services in the

16:23community in this area I think that this

16:25selection of individuals is very strong

16:27for us to get the work done in this gap

16:29analysis we have 90 days to uh not only

16:33pull the data analyze the data look

16:37deeply at the situation but then also to

16:39pull together a report and these are

16:40folks that I will be will strongly help

16:43get that done.

16:44>> Great. Okay. Um I will open it up to

16:48questions from the committee.

16:51>> Alderman Tibo.

16:53>> Thank you, Madam Chair. Um so I'll start

16:56by saying I know all of you or of all of

16:58you as far as your work is. So I I think

17:01you know the as people I think you guys

17:05um are good candidates for this. So I

17:07don't have any problems with that. I

17:08mean, my first question is more of a

17:09general question before I ask a a

17:12targeted one. Um, it how big is this

17:15committee? I know we have two aldermen,

17:16Alderman Greg and Alderman Lopez. Dr.

17:19Baggley, I believe you're on it and then

17:21we'd have three more or how many more

17:23after this?

17:24>> So, there are

17:25>> Oh,

17:26>> is that it? Like,

17:27>> so there's seven um members of the

17:29committee. Okay. three of which are

17:31appointed by the mayor, which are these

17:33folks representing the community itself

17:36and then representing uh individuals

17:38that are uh working at service

17:40organizations that um serve this

17:43particular population that we're

17:45focusing on to get this information for

17:47the gap analysis.

17:48>> Okay, perfect. Thank you. And uh if I

17:50could follow up.

17:50>> Sure.

17:51>> So um this question is for Miss Mousi.

17:55Um, so

17:58you know that with you working for

18:00Director Baggley for the last couple

18:02years on the homeless issue, I thought

18:04you I've said it in here many, many

18:06times that I thought you guys have done

18:07an excellent job at at getting to where

18:09you are with the resources you have.

18:11Obviously, more resources would allow

18:13you to do more. More money would allow

18:14you to do more. I get all that. So, it's

18:16not always perfect because of that. Um,

18:19but I think you guys have done a really

18:20good job trying to get us to a better

18:22place, and I've always supported that.

18:24Um, thank you.

18:25>> When uh the gap analysis came out, I was

18:30shocked because I didn't think we had

18:32one. A need for a gap, right? So, um,

18:36and I voted that way.

18:39I wanted to get the two from human

18:41affairs, which would be the vice chair,

18:44which would be uh, Alderwoman Kelly and

18:46Alderman Lopez. Thankfully, Alderman

18:47Lopez got on the board. Um, I tried.

18:50Alderman Greg stopped that because I

18:53believe she wanted to be the second

18:54person on there. That's fine. But one of

18:58the reasons she stated, and this is

19:00where my question's going, is that the

19:02reason why she didn't want me to be able

19:04to put the human affairs people on there

19:06because I thought they had some of the

19:08biggest experience dealing with um this

19:11crisis board of, you know, on the board

19:12of the soup kitchen. Alderman Lopez, we

19:14know his history. Um so I thought that's

19:18would be a good compromise. It wasn't.

19:20The reason was that she said she wanted

19:23fresh faces with a different

19:24perspective. Now,

19:28Miss Mulli, you've been doing this for

19:31the last couple years and in theory, the

19:34reason why Alderman Greg believes we

19:36need a gap analysis because we have

19:37gaps. And so, you and Director Baggley

19:40have been doing this for the last few

19:41years. Director Begley even longer.

19:45So, the gaps are there. You guys were

19:47working on it. Didn't fill the gaps. So

19:49now I would put you back into some form

19:52of role of helping to close the gaps

19:55that we couldn't close before. Why

19:57wouldn't we want another fresh face in

19:59there instead of someone that's already

20:00been working on it? Cuz although Greg's

20:02intent was not to put people on there

20:04that already knew or worked on this

20:06crisis before. So why would I vote for

20:10you? Because I'm leaning not just

20:11because of that reason. Not because I

20:12don't think you have the experience. Not

20:14because I don't like you. I do. I think

20:15you do a great job. But because Alderman

20:17Greg said she wanted fresh faces,

20:19someone who wasn't working on this stuff

20:20before, that's why she's going to be on

20:22it. So, um, that's my question. Why

20:24would I I want to put you back into

20:27doing something uh on this outside of

20:29the role you do uh for your career?

20:32>> Sure. Thank you. Um, Latan Muci, um, I

20:35would say I I have a perspective from

20:39two different angles now. So, I think

20:41that that would be a huge benefit for

20:42the city. I have seen what the city is

20:45doing and what has worked, what hasn't

20:48worked. Um, I've talked to many of you

20:50that are in this room right now, as well

20:51as some of the folks that are missing um

20:53that have served as alderman. But I

20:55think right now in my role as executive

20:57director for Family Promise, I also get

20:59to see the side of the nonprofits. I get

21:01to see the side of limited capacity for

21:04supporting operations. Um, just the

21:07everchanging grant landscape and trying

21:09to figure out how to solve this problem

21:10with limited resources. Um, we also

21:13provide eviction prevention and

21:15diversion services. We're one of the

21:17only organizations that does this in

21:18NSHA. So, um, we work very closely with

21:22our local welfare office as well as the

21:24financial assistance network, which is a

21:26group of nonprofits that work together

21:28to help folks stay helpoused.

21:30Um, so I, you know, I have the

21:34blessing to to kind of be able to tackle

21:37this problem from all different angles.

21:40Um, I sit on the Governor's Council of

21:41Housing Stability, so I see what we're

21:43doing from a statewide perspective and

21:46kind of get the inside scoop to see what

21:48we're doing in terms of recommending

21:49legislation um, statewide and just

21:52getting to see what we're doing here

21:53locally. So, I think I am a fresh face

21:57to the point where you haven't had

21:59someone who's working in transitional

22:00housing that's serving all different

22:02types of family makeup, single fathers,

22:04grandparents, and their grandchildren,

22:06mothers, full intact families. Uh,

22:08Family Promise is a unique resource in

22:10NSHA and we're also a national

22:12affiliate. So, I think I can bring more

22:14to the table than just my experience as

22:16the housing services officer.

22:19>> Thank you. Followup. Uh, my follow-up

22:21question is, so

22:23why do we have gaps and why haven't they

22:25been closed already?

22:29>> That's a big question.

22:30>> Andor what are they?

22:31>> Yeah. Well, I'm hopeful that this

22:33committee will find out what they are. I

22:36think in my previous experience in

22:37working for the city and again to Tona's

22:40point just speaking with people and

22:42talking to people there is not a single

22:45place where people can go all of the

22:47time. We don't have anywhere where folks

22:49can go and have respit during the day.

22:52We do know that folks are experiencing

22:54voucher discrimination. We do know that

22:57folks are experiencing increasing rent

22:59costs and being pushed out of their

23:01homes with limited resources and other

23:03places to go. Um, I think there's a

23:06whole continuum of housing instability

23:08that's occurring not just in NSHA and

23:11the state of New Hampshire, nationally

23:12as well. Um, I think it's it's a bigger

23:16beast than we've been willing to admit

23:19or really look at. Um, I think, you

23:22know, we're always kind of looking at

23:23downstream, okay, this person is

23:25homeless. What did they do that got them

23:28here? We need to look at the system as a

23:30whole. We need to look at everything

23:32that led to their housing instability.

23:34whether it was food insecurity, losing a

23:36job, the death of a family member whose

23:38income they were utilizing. Um, so I

23:41think there's gaps because it's a big

23:43problem and we've been focusing on the

23:44end user being homeless as opposed to

23:47looking at the whole system. I think

23:49that, you know, in my role previously

23:51working for the city, you know, the city

23:53was looking at what we could do to help

23:56solve the issue. It really does need to

23:58be a large community response and what

24:01do the nonprofits need from the city or

24:04other partners to be able to respond um

24:07in the way that we all have to respond

24:09to solve this problem.

24:10>> Thank you. One final question.

24:11>> I would love to hear the other two

24:12answer that question if you wouldn't

24:14mind.

24:15>> Uh yeah. Yeah, that's fine.

24:18[snorts]

24:18>> I think the question was what gaps do

24:21you think are exist and why haven't they

24:23been closed yet?

24:24>> What are the gaps and why haven't they

24:25been closed? Yes.

24:27>> Oh, I feel like that there's gaps

24:29because just like she said, every story

24:32is different. There there's not a

24:36[sighs] there's not a circular service

24:39for anyone individual because

24:41everybody's experience is so different.

24:44So in order like if if I wanted to go

24:48get help per se, I know that I have been

24:52homeless and I am in housing now and I I

24:55do suffer from from different traumatic

24:59things and I know that um I have a

25:02personal blocker with making phone calls

25:05because agencies or whatever they'll

25:08call me, they say things I and then I

25:11like repeat them back and then the

25:13agency is like that never happened. So,

25:17um I feel like there's weird little gaps

25:21like that that stop people from

25:23following through that we're just not

25:26aware of because again, there's so many

25:28different situations that lead someone

25:29to be homeless.

25:32You know, the the gaps are large. I've

25:34met so many people that have someone's

25:37been homeless just because they they

25:39aged out of their home and their parents

25:40kicked them out cuz they were 18 and

25:42they were like, "You're on your own now.

25:44Figure it out." And I've met I've I've

25:46met a couple who lost their home and

25:48they had full-time jobs because she got

25:51cancer and they spent every last bit of

25:54their savings, sold their house and all

25:56their assets. So again,

25:59you talk about gaps. Where aren't the

26:01gaps? Where is a service that can take

26:05an individual from being in these

26:08traumat traumatic life-changing

26:10experiences to getting them to a stable

26:13position

26:15because every single agency is doing a a

26:18piece of it, but we don't have the

26:20employees or even the mental capacity as

26:24agency people to to come in and and

26:28follow through with all of those

26:30individuals. So again, not having enough

26:33human beings in these agencies as

26:35employees even caring and following

26:37through with somebody is a gap in

26:39itself. And honestly, it's just

26:42disappointed for someone who has needed

26:44help because everything revolves around

26:47money. And unfortunately, we're the ones

26:50that don't freaking have any. And we're

26:52always begging like freaking

26:55[laughter] little one from David

26:57Copperfield, please let me have another.

26:59And it's traumatizing. So again, where

27:02aren't the gaps? Hopefully we can figure

27:04out the most important ones and honestly

27:07find a solution because we are going to

27:09have a group that has vast experiences

27:14and perspectives.

27:18>> These are two hard.

27:19>> If you guys could just say your name

27:20when you speak,

27:22it's okay.

27:23>> This is Jane Goodman. Um,

27:27so I I want to like complement both of

27:29these answers here and just add a little

27:31bit to that. So, you know, as Latana

27:34said, they serve a variety of people.

27:36There are so many different demographics

27:39of homeless and unhoused or lowincome

27:43folks um in many different situations.

27:47And I I have to say that no matter what

27:50we find in a gap analysis, there's no

27:52one-sizefits-all solution for um what we

27:57find. It's impossible. It it doesn't

28:00nothing is going to, as much as I'd love

28:03to work myself out of a job, nothing's

28:05going to completely solve homelessness.

28:08Um what we can do is look at where are

28:10our resources best spent so that we can

28:13help as many people as possible.

28:17And I think that, you know, you have

28:20gaps. Um I've heard Latana um speak

28:22before about um severe and persistent

28:25mental health issues. Um some of these

28:28people you just can't reach. And um

28:33we're not going to ever be able to have

28:36a band-aid or a solution for everyone.

28:38And that's the hardest part of this

28:40work. And I I go in that with wide eyes

28:43wide open that we can't help everyone

28:47because the there are just all these

28:49gaps that Tonia just mentioned. Um you

28:52know boundaries um among clients or

28:55boundaries, excuse me, barriers is the

28:56word I'm looking for. And so um

29:02you know the gaps are are huge. We have

29:04gaps for families. We have gaps for the

29:06elderly. We have um gaps for the

29:09mentally um impaired. Um it just goes uh

29:13and the youth and youth homelessness is

29:15a huge problem in our in our city and in

29:18our state. And so um you know we know

29:24anecdotally of course where the gap

29:26where the gaps are. Um, but to quantify

29:28them will be very important and then

29:30also to see well who's got something in

29:32place that maybe could be expanded as a

29:35result of that gap analysis.

29:39>> Just one final followup. So, um, and you

29:42may have just answer just in in those

29:44comments, but the one thing that that

29:47disturbs me here is that while we were

29:49debating the gap analysis,

29:51it's the first time I've heard people

29:52say we have huge and large gaps. Those

29:55are the two words I just heard. Um I

29:57thought we were much closer than that.

29:58So that makes me think that um we failed

30:01as a city to to close those gaps. I mean

30:04that those if they're big large gaps, we

30:07aren't doing our job then in my opinion.

30:09And it's too bad because I've always

30:10been on the side of I think the city's

30:12doing a good job with it, but it doesn't

30:14sound like it from what I hear because

30:16having small gaps I think is fine having

30:18because we then you can close those huge

30:20and large gaps is a different thing. So

30:23um I guess this could go to anyone. Um

30:26this question um do we think do we think

30:29the gap analysis this committee will be

30:31able to close those gaps

30:36>> that's this is Jane

30:37>> thank [laughter] you

30:38>> Jane Goodman [snorts] see I'm I'm

30:40behaving here um I don't think a gap

30:43analysis is going to close gaps it's

30:45going to expose the gaps and then we

30:47decide where do we which gaps do we look

30:49at to close after that so I I don't

30:53think that's the purpose of a gap

30:55analysis is to actually close the gaps.

30:57It's to expose them. Where are the

30:59biggest ones? Where are our biggest pain

31:00points in the city? And you know, when

31:03we talk about huge, as you just said, I

31:06mean, housing is the biggest gap. So,

31:09um, is Nasha doing that well? Um, as far

31:12as closing that gap because that's the

31:14biggest one.

31:16>> We know

31:16>> that that can be, um, some, you know,

31:20city self-reflection more than

31:22>> No, we know that. We know. I said that

31:23was the biggest gap to director Baggley.

31:25I know we already know it. So that's the

31:27thing. I'm like I feel like we know the

31:29big ones. So

31:30>> we should be working on that. That's

31:31what I think. But

31:34>> who am I?

31:34>> Lata Muci to just expand on that. Um

31:39you know I don't think any of these

31:41things are surprising. Even walking over

31:43here today there was an individual who

31:45appears to be living on the bench right

31:47in front of city hall. Um and that's

31:48just something that we commonly see. Um,

31:51and I think too, you know, a number of

31:54aldermen took a ride down to the

31:56encampment last year when we were in the

31:58process of debating on whether or not we

32:00were going to move forward with an

32:01ordinance that prohibits the camping.

32:03Um, and if you did go down there, you

32:05were probably seeing people of all walks

32:07of life. Um, individuals with assist of

32:10devices because they have mobility

32:12impairment, individuals suffering from

32:14severe and persistent mental illness.

32:16Um, there were some youth that were

32:18there. um and to specify 18 to 24 youth

32:21according to HUD um and just a number of

32:24individuals and we don't have enough

32:26interim sheltering solutions to support

32:29those folks that are experiencing

32:31homelessness. We knew that putting

32:33forward an ordinance wasn't going to

32:35house people. Um so those people are

32:37still here. They're just harder to find

32:39and harder to see except for the person

32:41that I saw today. um because people

32:43can't stay in the shadows forever,

32:45especially if all the services are

32:47essentially centrally located downtown.

32:49Folks with mobility issues have a harder

32:51time getting to and from those services.

32:54So, I don't think it should be shocking

32:55that some of our large gaps are we don't

32:58have a lot of sheltering options for

33:00folks with mobility issues. We don't

33:02have a lot of options for folks that are

33:04struggling with active substance use

33:06disorder. Um you know, we do have some

33:08low barrier options, but they're not no

33:10barrier. We know that folks um that have

33:12pets are limited to where they can go

33:14and often choose to stay outside. These

33:17are all things that, you know, during my

33:18time as housing services officer with

33:20the city, public health was explaining

33:22to the alderman and other committees. Um

33:24these are things that we discuss at the

33:26COC level, especially with a lot of the

33:28committee work we're doing. So, I think

33:30we we know what a lot of these gaps are.

33:32Um it's just kind of refining. And

33:34again, to Jane's point, a lot of this is

33:36anecdotal. It's kind of putting pen to

33:39paper, getting the data, and really

33:41seeing how many people need what, and um

33:44just really identifying that solution.

33:48>> Yep.

33:49>> Alden Johnson,

33:52>> thank you. Um I want to thank you all

33:54for coming in this evening. I think it's

33:57very enlightening um what you've been

33:59talking about. Um, one of the big issues

34:03with me and I hear when we talk about

34:05affordable housing, we build the houses

34:08as affordable, these apartments, but you

34:11know, most of it is not affordable.

34:13You're only doing what HUD says you can

34:15do. And most of it, like Nimco, I don't

34:18see where that's going to be affordable.

34:20I think that's a big gap here. Um, you

34:22know, we talk about there's a housing

34:24crisis in the state. I don't believe

34:26there is. I believe there's a housing

34:28crisis shortage on single family homes.

34:31I feel that there's more apartments

34:32being built all the time. But when you

34:34take a look at the cost of the

34:36apartments, 1,900, 2,000, 3,000. Who can

34:40afford that? Let's be realistic because

34:43a lot of it is we are not bringing the

34:45jobs into the city to make it

34:47affordable. I mean, Marramac is going to

34:49be opening up a big plant, which is

34:51going to be great because they're going

34:52to be bringing jobs in. So hopefully

34:55some of the homeless population that we

34:58can get them skilled and maybe they can

35:00get jobs there and get them

35:01transportation and that's what I think

35:03some of them can look at. But what I'm

35:05really curious about is I'd like to know

35:08what the state is going to be doing to

35:09help. I think that's a big piece here.

35:12Um, so it doesn't all fall back on the

35:15cities and towns on the taxpayers here

35:18because I think the state has to step up

35:20to a little bit of this because it's not

35:22all us. I am concerned when I'm hearing

35:26people starting to sleep on the benches

35:27now. But, you know, that's it has been.

35:31And one of my I guess pet peeves with

35:34pets is and I've said to director

35:36Bagley, you know, when you and I read it

35:39last year on Next Door that a lot of

35:41people who have pets, we have no place

35:44for them to be housed. So they don't

35:46come in because they don't want to leave

35:47their animals behind.

35:49>> And I think that's an important piece

35:51because you can't get them off the

35:53street and give them some shelter if we

35:55don't have any place to put their

35:57animals. So, I don't know, maybe looking

35:59into fostering or maybe um the humane

36:03society might help out a little bit. So

36:05those are some ideas and I want to thank

36:06you because I think all listening to all

36:08three of you are bringing in a different

36:10perspective here and maybe we could

36:13start closing the gaps because you know

36:16when you work from this for the city you

36:18looked at it from a city point of view

36:20and now you're director of the front

36:22door agency so so your whole way of

36:25looking

36:26is totally different right now. So I

36:29think we can get a perspective from you

36:31from both ways. So, I you know, I'm

36:34going to be supporting all three of you

36:36because I think that we've got different

36:39perspectives.

36:40Um, and I think it might just come bring

36:44more to the table and give us an idea.

36:4690 days sounds like a long time, but

36:49before you know it, it's not going to be

36:51because it's going to land just around

36:53Christmas, I believe.

36:55And I look at all the stores now. It's

36:57starting to be beginning to look a lot

36:59like Christmas now. So, but I thank you

37:02for wanting to step up and help. Thank

37:04you.

37:06>> All right. Do you have any questions?

37:08Alderman Clemens.

37:09>> Thank you. I just want to state that uh

37:11for the for the record, thank you uh for

37:15uh stepping up and and agreeing to

37:18um give your time to this committee

37:21because I'm sure, you know, it it is a

37:24short period of time. There's probably

37:26going to be a lot of meetings, you know,

37:30put together in a in a quick fashion.

37:34Um, but I do think that you're all very

37:38suited for for the committee and to

37:41bring forward um, you know, what gaps

37:45you you might find. I think the city I

37:49think the problem

37:51that I find and that what um

37:56you know I I've seen over the years is

37:58that you know the city [sighs]

38:01does what it can. We've we've put some

38:04money towards this. It's never enough

38:06and then we get no little to no help

38:09from the state. We get some help from

38:11the from the federal government. Um, and

38:15it's, you know, it it's just a constant

38:18struggle for for us to keep up with. Um,

38:23so, you know, I I'm I'm all for

38:25identifying what those gaps are, at

38:28least on I guess on a piece of paper. I

38:30think we know what they are. Um, but I I

38:34honestly, you know, as far as the

38:38the solutions to these problems,

38:42we have to get more help from our uh

38:47from our folks up in conquered and and

38:49our in in Washington DC. Um, you know,

38:53there's I'm I'm fully in support of the

38:56um the resource center. I think it's the

38:59right way to go. um at least as far as a

39:04a place where people can go uh a

39:07centralized location to get help during

39:09the day. Um

39:12you know, but um

39:15I'll be interested to see what the

39:16committee comes out with and I think you

39:18will all uh do a very good job

39:21u with that and uh hopefully we'll be

39:24able to find some some solutions. So,

39:27um, but I agree the gaps are are big and

39:30we know that they are and so it's going

39:32to be uh it's going to be very hard to

39:34um

39:36to close them, but we should at least uh

39:38take take the time to to write them down

39:42and identify them.

39:44>> Did you want to speak? Did you want to

39:46respond?

39:47>> That's okay. Um Jane Goodman, I just

39:49wanted to respond to one thing that um

39:52was just mentioned by both of you about

39:54state support. So the individual

39:56agencies in the continuum of care do

39:58receive some state support depending on

40:01the agency. So we get something called

40:03state grant and aid and it's a per bed

40:06night calculation. It sounds very cold

40:09and icy um but it's basically one night

40:11of rest we get you know $27

40:15for example for that and then obviously

40:18that adds up. Um, we as an agency are

40:21reimbursed for 46 bed nights a night.

40:25However, we serve up to 70 people a

40:28night. So, you can see that the gap

40:29isn't really filled, but there is some

40:31state funding that does go towards

40:33certain agencies um within this area.

40:36So, the state does do a little bit. Um,

40:39but the advocacy

40:41toward the state and having them do more

40:44and increasing that bednight rate would

40:46be really helpful because anything we

40:48don't get from there, we have to fund

40:50raise.

40:52>> Alman Clemens.

40:53>> Yeah, thank you. And and it that just

40:56illustrates my my point is that the

40:58state is not doing nearly enough. Um

41:02it's it's just not it's they're sherking

41:05their responsibility as far as I'm

41:06concerned because the amount of money

41:08that and time and effort that this city

41:10is putting forward and I know Manchester

41:12is the same way. They may be doing

41:14things a little different

41:16is is not the energy just isn't the

41:20same. It's just not even if the dollars

41:22are more um the energy is not there. So

41:27>> Greg, do you want to join us in the

41:28horseshoe? Well, that's okay. I don't

41:31interrupt anything.

41:33>> Okay.

41:35>> I think you should come up here. It's

41:36your ordinance.

41:38[laughter]

41:41>> Yeah. Anyway, it's fine. They'll they'll

41:43just put a badge over your name. It's

41:44fine. [laughter]

41:46>> Um Okay.

41:49>> I have some questions. Um thank you all

41:51for being here and thank you for

41:52nominating people who are obviously very

41:55experienced um in in this um committee.

41:58So, I appreciate all of that and I think

42:00you will all be great appointees. Um,

42:04it's really interesting. I went to the

42:05stakeholder meeting that we had last

42:07week and just around the table, the

42:09conversations and things that I I mean,

42:11I've been doing this for 10 years.

42:12Things came up that I was like, "Oh, I

42:13didn't know that." Right. Uh, so that I

42:15think that the conversation being

42:16powerful, which is what you have been

42:18saying, I think it's really interesting.

42:20Um, but I I've always had kind of two

42:23concerns about this. And one was, you

42:25said it at the beginning, Lata, about,

42:27you know, we have limited capacity for I

42:30think you said something like mission

42:31critical needs. So, my worry has always

42:34been that we're going to put more on

42:35nonprofits plates to get this done in 90

42:37days um when they're already telling us

42:40they can't meet the needs. So, do you

42:41guys have ideas on how we can streamline

42:44or reduce the burden? because in order

42:45for this to be a holistic look, we're

42:47going to have to hear from all of the

42:49nonprofits who work in this space. Jane

42:51looks like she wants to answer first.

42:53>> Well, I think there's a lot of work

42:54that's already been done. You know,

42:55we're all we all sit on the continuum of

42:57care. We've collected this data. We have

43:00access to a lot of the data. So, I think

43:02um this kind of committee is really a

43:04divide and conquered. You know, who can

43:06look at the which gaps from certain

43:08angles. Um, you know, Tona just came up

43:11with a whole bunch of different gaps

43:12which are a little bit more um I don't

43:14even know how to use the word.

43:16>> Yeah, nuance. Sure, that'll work. Um,

43:19you know, not as solid as like, you

43:20know, well, we know that the elderly

43:22don't have enough housing or whatever it

43:24is. Um, but the barriers that folks

43:27have. So, that is also really important

43:29because if folks if we identify that one

43:32of the what the barriers are um to enter

43:35into the housing system and we're

43:37familiar with a lot of them, don't get

43:38me wrong. Um we can also add that to the

43:41report.

43:43>> Uh but I think it really is a divide and

43:45conquer kind of thing because I know

43:47personally, you know, it's almost 8:00.

43:51We've been at work all day. So,

43:55>> do you want to answer Latana? Latana

43:57Mioli. Um, I would also say just having

44:01a clear schedule of when we'll be

44:03meeting. Um, obviously as the executive

44:06director of a nonprofit, my schedule

44:08fills up quickly. So, if I can dedicate

44:10time to being here, I will absolutely

44:13prioritize doing that.

44:15>> Did you want to answer?

44:18>> No, I'm I'm just open and glad to be a

44:22participant. I I feel like I'm going to

44:24be like the disruptor card because I'm I

44:28am always of a mind um for intentional

44:32communities and mixing human beings and

44:36their financial situations to inevitably

44:39help their child each other and to um

44:42bring revenue back to said community. So

44:46be ready. [laughter]

44:48>> Yeah, I love that. Director Begley.

44:51>> Yes, Director Bagley. So, a part of the

44:54opportunity that we have with this is um

44:57I don't I'm going to account for that

44:59divide and conquer because we don't want

45:00to divide and conquer because that's

45:01what we've been doing. We've been doing

45:02it divided and so it's

45:06>> okay. Go ahead.

45:07>> It's um it's more or less of how do we

45:10bring the information um you know to the

45:12table in a timely manner. So pulling

45:15this together doesn't always mean that

45:16there has to be face-toface meetings all

45:18the time because um in one experience

45:20that I had with getting a report

45:22together, we had 30 days to get it

45:23together and there were five of us on

45:25the committee. Um we did not meet face

45:28to face. Um but what we did do was um

45:31pull together the data based on the

45:33information that that we need that we

45:34needed to provide. as it's already been

45:36stated, a lot of this data already

45:38exists in certain places and it'll be

45:40the the the point of gathering all of

45:43that data. Uh and then prioritizing

45:46um yes, the gaps are huge in that there

45:50are the the amount of the need is what

45:54makes the gap seem huge, but we know

45:56what the gaps are. There's probably like

45:59four gaps and then it's a matter of

46:02looking at um you know what assets that

46:05do we have already and then how are

46:08those assets not meeting or closing the

46:11gouts for um some of the circumstances

46:14or situation that many people are

46:16experiencing that leads to those nuanced

46:18incidences for individuals. Um in public

46:22health we tend to look at things not

46:23individually but as holistic as a as a

46:26whole. And so once we compile all that

46:28data that will help us. One of the

46:30things that we also do is we ask why why

46:34and then why again. So we need to

46:36understand why these gaps exist and then

46:39what are the ways that we can prioritize

46:41to narrow uh those gaps. The situation

46:44with homelessness and uh the housing um

46:48issues that have been going on, they've

46:49been going on for decades, right? And so

46:52a gap analysis is not going to end that.

46:54work has been done for decades as well

46:57at the national level. They came up with

46:5910 strategies to address closing these

47:01gaps. And so it's a matter of

47:04prioritizing what do we in the city of

47:06Nashville want to do once we identify

47:08and collect the data. How do we want to

47:09address and prioritize what we want to

47:11focus on? So I just wanted to add that.

47:14And again, all of these folks here, I

47:16know that they're not fresh faces, but

47:18they are fresh faces. Jane's only been

47:20at the [laughter]

47:23>> Excuse you. Jane's been at the soup

47:25kitchen for has it what is it three

47:26years?

47:26>> Three years.

47:27>> Three years. That's not a long, you know

47:29what I mean? That's enough time to kind

47:31of like get an understanding of what's

47:32going on and now do something. It takes

47:35a year first to get acclimated, then a

47:37second year to say, "Okay, this is what

47:38I'm going to do and a third year to

47:39actually implement and do."

47:40>> So, that's a fresh face for me even

47:43though she's been around. Tona has been

47:45around with the Greater Nashville

47:47continuum of care for a while. has got

47:49her footing and I want to say that

47:51strong advocacy leg limb and voice in

47:54the past three years and Latonia has

47:57been around for a while even though

47:59she's young but in these different

48:01places where she's been it's all still

48:03been fairly fresh and so these are fresh

48:06faces as far as I'm concerned having

48:07been in public health for decades these

48:10are new innovative thinkers and when we

48:13pull this together and then we got our

48:15new alderman here you can't get any

48:17fresher or newer, you know, with the

48:19folks that are going to be on this

48:21committee and pulling all of this

48:22information together with some

48:24innovative thought in it. But the gaps

48:26analysis really is just to identify,

48:29pull together the data to say these are

48:31the primary gaps that we're seeing in

48:33this community and then coming up with

48:35strategies for how we might address

48:36them.

48:37>> Okay.

48:37>> We've been doing it for years, but this

48:39is in a different way, but I think it's

48:42going to be helpful for us.

48:43>> I have a couple more questions and then

48:44I'll have you.

48:45>> Sure. Yeah. Because we should be

48:46interviewing them, right? That's the not

48:47alderman other alderman we should be

48:49interviewing them.

48:50>> Um so one of the other things that came

48:52up in the stakeholder conversation we

48:54were just talking around this like

48:55there's so even at that table people

48:57were like this is such a microcosm of

48:59the organizations who work within this

49:02space at the stakeholder meeting and so

49:04that has been you know brought to me

49:06it's like will this be lopsided because

49:07we only have three people and they're

49:08all you know they're all in this section

49:10of it. Um so my question is how do we

49:14make sure that doesn't happen and how

49:16will you call other organizations in so

49:18that the report doesn't have you know a

49:20specific lens based on the people who

49:22are on the committee.

49:24Uh, Latana Mioli, I think looking at

49:27again, not reinventing the wheel,

49:29looking at a lot of the work that we've

49:31been doing at the COC level, it involves

49:34multiple stakeholders. We have people

49:36from the business community, we have

49:38nonprofits, we have legislators, you

49:40know, we have a a very diverse

49:42faith-based um, organizations. We have a

49:44very diverse continuum of care. And

49:46we're very fortunate in the fact that we

49:48have a lot of active community members

49:50trying to work on these issues. Um, and

49:53I think that, um, Jane, Tona, and myself

49:56are very well connected to these

49:59individuals. So, we know, okay, if we

50:01have a question about, um, unsheltered

50:04homelessness, we're going to the soup

50:06kitchen, we're going to public health,

50:07we're going to the day cafe, those folks

50:10have the most interactions with that

50:12population. Um, so I think there is some

50:14strength in the fact that we've been in

50:16the community for a while doing some of

50:18this work because we know the players to

50:20call to the table. Um once we we have

50:23the data identified that we're looking

50:25to to gather.

50:28>> Good. Um okay. My last question is for

50:33each of you to let me know what you

50:34think a win looks like.

50:42>> Go ahead.

50:44>> Sure. I'll go first. Uh Lata Mousoli. I

50:47think a win looks like um again to

50:50Director Baggley's point, we haven't

50:53looked at homelessness like this um

50:56before, you know, just really having

50:58like legislators at the table, city

51:01officials, nonprofits, and other

51:03stakeholders. It's really like pulling

51:05pulling a group of experts that are

51:07constantly working in this field

51:09together um to look at the data that we

51:11have. And we're very lucky that we have

51:14robust data. I think it's just a little

51:15bit of everywhere. So, it's kind of

51:17pulling it in together. Um, so I think a

51:19win for me looks like producing a report

51:21that truly identifies the gaps. Um, and

51:25again utilizes the voices of those

51:28working in this space of folks that are

51:30living in this space and in such great

51:32need. Um, I think a report would just

51:35really reflect the hard work that we've

51:37been doing and just again collecting all

51:40the data in one uniform place.

51:43Um, Tony and Eisley, I I think a win for

51:46for me would be for us to be able to

51:52present this information in a way that

51:55was um very clear in understanding where

51:59the gaps are. And I I feel like

52:05the unity of the city with the agencies

52:08in their ability to work together and

52:11possibly problem solve something new. I

52:14think that would be a win for me. And to

52:17actually see um spaces created where an

52:21individual can sleep overnight and not

52:24be harassed or even part of um the

52:28resource center. Having a place where

52:30people can just go and lounge and and be

52:33people. I think that would be a win. And

52:36also to

52:38creatively

52:40problem solve something so that you we

52:44weren't always in a position where we

52:47were giving, giving, giving. I would

52:50like for us to create a solution that

52:52includes the people that are actually in

52:55need to help with the solution and not

52:58always leave them with their hand out

53:00and not being part of their own solution

53:03because it's very dehumanizing to not be

53:06a part of that. And I and I know I'm I

53:10personally hate it when people treat you

53:13like poop because they you know what I

53:15mean? they see you're in need and it it

53:18makes you feel less. So being a part of

53:20that solution and being able to either

53:23physically help or or being able to

53:25contribute in a way of um in that I feel

53:29like is very important. So that would be

53:31a win also.

53:34Uh, Jane Goodman,

53:37I think what I would love to see and

53:39would be a win is that we come out with

53:41a little bit of a road map and the road

53:45map kind of tells us where we should be

53:47turning our attention to next. And the

53:49road map isn't just for the city. We all

53:52work in this space. We need to know

53:54where to turn our attention next as

53:56well. And we need that validated. So for

53:59us as a win for us as an agency, I'm

54:02representing only one agency be like,

54:05"Oh, this makes sense based on all of

54:08this stuff that we looked at." Um you're

54:10making a really um

54:13critical decision about where you're

54:16going to invest your um minimal

54:18resources that you have because we all

54:20know that there's more we could all be

54:22doing or there's more that we need to

54:25have done. So I I kind of look forward

54:28to to me a win would be to have that

54:30clear concise roadmap that again not

54:32just for the city but for all these

54:34agencies that are you know trying to

54:36take a little piece of that puzzle.

54:39>> Great. Um

54:42I love you Lata but we actually did a

54:44plan to end homelessness in 20 2007. It

54:48has a gaps needs analysis in it. Um and

54:51it has a lot of these strategies that

54:53we're probably going to put in this

54:55report. I'm happy to share it with you

54:56guys. Um, but yeah, we we did do it and

54:59I think my concern has always been that

55:00we did it and then there wasn't

55:02implementation or going back to and

55:05making sure that that plan is being

55:06implemented. So that's why I've always

55:08been like I think this is a great

55:11conversation to have. We need to look at

55:12where the gaps are right now, but then

55:15we have actually follow the action plan.

55:18So, um, Alderman Greg, did you want to

55:20speak?

55:21>> No, I'm good. Thank you.

55:24Alderman Morgan, did you have any

55:25questions for the interviews?

55:26>> Um, no. I just wanted to commend uh all

55:29of you, but specifically TA. Um,

55:34we are so excited for your input um for

55:38your lived experience, but for being

55:40brave enough to come out and and speak

55:43to that and to give a voice to somebody

55:46um who has also lived uh lived

55:49homelessness. It is it's not easy. It's

55:53not easy to smile and and say, "I've

55:54been through that." But it's even harder

55:56to step up and say, "I'm going to tell

55:58you every single one of the ridiculously

56:01tiny little things that does make it

56:04hard." And that perpetuates the

56:05homelessness. It may not fix it, but it

56:08could be the difference of an extra week

56:11or an extra month in those nuances. So,

56:13I commend you for for raising your hand

56:15and stepping up and into uh that role.

56:18>> Thank you so much. Any additional

56:21questions from the committee? Okay.

56:23Thank you so much for coming in. We'll

56:24be taking up your nominations in just a

56:27moment.

56:30>> Oh, my favorite part.

56:33>> Applications to license hawkers,

56:34pedallers, itinerant, vendors, license.

56:36>> Uh, there is none.

56:37>> Appointments by the mayor.

56:39>> I would like to ask if we could break

56:41these up. Um it always seems like when

56:43we put everybody together that that

56:46means we're all going to vote the same

56:47way and I don't want to vote no to

56:49everybody or yes to every like you know

56:51what I'm saying. So um I'll read them uh

56:54one at a time. So I'd like to make a

56:55motion to recommend the following

56:56appointment to the arts commission.

56:58Charles Emmens with a term to expire

57:00July 30th 2029.

57:02>> It is a reappoint. Correct.

57:03>> It is a reappointment. Yep.

57:06>> Any discussion?

57:07>> All those in favor say I.

57:09>> I.

57:10>> Any oppose? That motion carries.

57:13>> Okay. I'd like to recommend the

57:14reappointment to the business and

57:16industrial development authority, Carl

57:17Andred, with a term to expire September

57:1913th. Uh that should be 2028, not 3038.

57:23Uh 3028, but um that would be a long

57:26time for Mr. Andred. Um yeah, to

57:28recommend that.

57:30>> You've heard the motion. Any discussion?

57:32All those in favor?

57:33>> I. Any oppose?

57:35I'd like to recommend the reappointment

57:37to the electric aggregation committee,

57:39Frank Tease, with a term to expire

57:41August 31st, 2028.

57:44>> Discussion. All those in favor?

57:46>> I

57:46>> I.

57:46>> Any opposed?

57:48>> Um, I'd like to break these three out

57:50separately as well. Um, I'd like to

57:52recommend the following new appointment

57:53to the homeless services gap analysis

57:55committee. Uh, Jane Goodman. It has no

57:58like expiry or

57:59>> Well, it's 90 days. Okay. So, and Jane,

58:01so Jane Goodman

58:03>> discussion.

58:05All those in favor?

58:06>> I

58:08>> opposed. That motion carries.

58:10>> Uh, Laton, I'd like to recommend the

58:12following new appointment to the

58:12Homeless Services Gap Analysis

58:15Committee, Latona Mousoli.

58:18>> Any discussion? All those in favor?

58:21>> I.

58:22>> I.

58:24>> Any opposed?

58:25>> Nay.

58:26>> Motion carries.

58:29Um I'd like to recommend the following

58:30new appointment to the homeless services

58:32gap analysis committee. Uh TA uh Nisley

58:37>> heard the motion. Any discussion? All

58:40those in favor?

58:41>> I. Any opposed?

58:43>> That motion carries.

58:46>> Unfinished business?

58:47>> None.

58:47>> New business resolutions?

58:49>> None.

58:49>> New business ordinances?

58:51>> None. But somebody might want to take

58:53something off the table.

58:54>> Tabled in committee.

58:56I'd like to make a motion to take off

58:58the table uh 0-26-002.

59:03I'd like to speak on it.

59:05>> Can you speak on the table or anything

59:07from the table?

59:08>> No,

59:09>> it's not debatable.

59:10>> Um,

59:12>> all those in favor?

59:13>> I.

59:14>> Any opposed?

59:16>> Alderman Johnson. Well, actually, I

59:18guess you have to make the motion.

59:19>> Uh, yes. Uh, I want to make a motion to

59:23uh

59:24recommend final passage for O-26-002

59:28allowing electronic public comment for

59:30people with walking disabilities.

59:32>> All right. Discussion, Alderman Johnson.

59:34>> Thank you. And our last meeting, what

59:38was this? September 9th, I think this

59:40was a hair raising discussion.

59:43So, I said I would go back and sit down

59:46with Attorney Clark and rewrite this.

59:50And I made it very simple. Um, I did get

59:54an email from Miss Calhoun and she's

59:57talking about the way it was before. Um,

1:00:01and but she wrote the original

1:00:05legislation, the ordinance did cover

1:00:07everything, but people didn't like that

1:00:09word walking. and it did cover, you

1:00:12know, debilitating conditions, lung

1:00:15problems, all that. Um, and I just took

1:00:18it from the RSA. I thought it would be

1:00:20simple and easy, you know, but obviously

1:00:22it wasn't. So, it now reads, "Any person

1:00:26with a disability as defined in

1:00:28Americans with Disabilities Act C 42 US

1:00:32Code 12102 may electronically

1:00:36participate in public comment at a full

1:00:38board of alderman meeting. If at least

1:00:41three business days prior to the

1:00:43upcoming meeting, the person notifies

1:00:46the board of alderman's office of their

1:00:48intent to participate in the public

1:00:50comment at a specific full board of

1:00:52alderman meeting and provides

1:00:54documentation of their disability.

1:00:57Well, people don't like that, but when I

1:01:00was even on the board of education and

1:01:02we had to wear the mask, I had to show

1:01:04documentation why I couldn't wear the

1:01:06mask. Didn't talk about my medical

1:01:08condition. There was one letter that

1:01:09did, but it sat in the superintendent's

1:01:11office, but I showed that I had just

1:01:14said medically I couldn't do it. Um, and

1:01:17I don't feel that you should um have to

1:01:20provide anything. Um, there are

1:01:22different levels of disabilities. I

1:01:25mean, people wouldn't think that I have

1:01:26a disability. I have severe case of

1:01:28fibromyalgia

1:01:30um with other debilitating problems with

1:01:32it. And when I'm super stressed, I think

1:01:35every muscle in my body is just going to

1:01:37collapse on me and I get so tight. Um,

1:01:40then we have people with breathing

1:01:42problems who have oxygen. And that's you

1:01:44could see that. Um, and we're asking 3

1:01:47days prior so we could set it up. And

1:01:50then I believe it's going to go to the

1:01:53disabilities office, ADA, and that's

1:01:56going to be um with um Ross. Um, and so

1:02:02they'll make the final determination.

1:02:05When you come in here and you start

1:02:06saying that this isn't good enough, I

1:02:09don't want this, then you know what? It

1:02:11spoils everything for people who cannot

1:02:13come in here. This is a first step. It

1:02:16might not be the best, but it's under

1:02:18ADA.

1:02:19And I did look everything up and I

1:02:22thought I brought it in. 42 US Code 121

1:02:26defines disability as a physical or

1:02:29mental impairment. So that covers

1:02:30everything right then and there that

1:02:33substantially limits one or more major

1:02:35life activities. So says it there. A

1:02:39record of such an impairment or being

1:02:41regarded as having such an impairment.

1:02:43This is from the federal US code. You

1:02:46can't get any better from there. So I've

1:02:49tried to do this. I'm being criticized

1:02:52by a couple of people. But where were

1:02:54these people two years ago almost when I

1:02:56asked to please be able to remote

1:03:00because I broke my kneecap which was

1:03:02visible. It wasn't the fibromyalgia. It

1:03:06was physical that I had a brace on my

1:03:08knee that I couldn't walk and I was

1:03:11denied. And so now I'm trying to help

1:03:13and I'm trying to get this ordinance so

1:03:17it will pass. And people are saying we

1:03:19want it open to everybody. Well, you

1:03:21know what? If we can't get this passed

1:03:23from people who physically cannot come

1:03:25in here, how are we going to open it up

1:03:26for everybody to come in here?

1:03:29And it is a law. And when we don't do

1:03:32this, we are discriminating against

1:03:34people who have a disability. And next

1:03:37April, right now it is closed in caption

1:03:41for the hearing impaired. And next year,

1:03:44by April 15th, I believe 2027, it's

1:03:48going to be for the visually impaired.

1:03:50And you know what? If we don't have this

1:03:52done, we're going to be in violation of

1:03:54ADA title two with the Americans with

1:03:57Disabilities Act. So, this is a small

1:04:00piece to start to perfection to make it

1:04:04to perfection. Am I using the right

1:04:06words? I don't know. But I'm trying to

1:04:09get this done and I understand that

1:04:11there's problems. But I won't be yelled

1:04:14at anymore on the phone. I won't be

1:04:17talked down to because the people who

1:04:20are doing this to me and I'm sorry. I

1:04:23normally don't do this, but where were

1:04:25they when I couldn't physically walk?

1:04:28They weren't there for me. At least I'm

1:04:30trying to do this now. And that's what

1:04:34my speech is tonight. Thank you.

1:04:37>> She amen.

1:04:39>> Oh, yeah. You had to make the motion to

1:04:40amend. [clears throat and laughter]

1:04:42>> Do you want to make the motion to amend?

1:04:44>> Yes. I'm sorry. I'd like to make a

1:04:46motion to amend this or what I just read

1:04:49into the record.

1:04:51>> The motion is to amend. Discussion.

1:04:56>> All those in favor?

1:04:57>> I

1:04:58>> Well, I I do have something. I'm sorry.

1:05:00>> Alman Clemens.

1:05:01>> Um

1:05:03I'm just I noticed I I you had mentioned

1:05:06that um

1:05:10that the determination was going to be.

1:05:13So that's where I'm my question is on on

1:05:16the amendment is who is making the

1:05:18determination. So from the way I read it

1:05:22um

1:05:24the person notifies the board of

1:05:26alderman's office of the intent to

1:05:28participate

1:05:29they provide the documentation to there

1:05:32but then the

1:05:34is there anything beyond that like what

1:05:37what's the next step? Is it Donna or

1:05:40who?

1:05:42Alderman Johnson.

1:05:43>> Yeah, it goes to Donna, but I believe it

1:05:46has to go to um risk management because

1:05:50they they deal with ADA.

1:05:53>> So, do we need to

1:05:54>> Clemens?

1:05:55>> Yeah. Should we I'm wondering if we

1:05:57should add a sentence at the end of this

1:05:59that that just says um

1:06:02the risk department shall determine

1:06:04eligibility. Yeah,

1:06:09>> Alman Johnson,

1:06:10>> I don't have a problem with that.

1:06:13>> So, the last sentence would be are we

1:06:16further amending?

1:06:18>> Yeah, the the So, the last sentence

1:06:20would read the risk department shall

1:06:22determine eligibility.

1:06:24>> Okay,

1:06:25let's vote on that motion.

1:06:28>> If you listen, you want to speak to the

1:06:30motion first. Go ahead. Um, no, just

1:06:32point of clarification or point of

1:06:34order.

1:06:35>> Um,

1:06:38I have a question. Do you if we were to

1:06:43make a a additional amendment? You have

1:06:46to approve it one at a time or do you do

1:06:47them all as whole?

1:06:49>> We can do them however we want.

1:06:50>> We we should we should do this one and

1:06:52then

1:06:53>> Yeah, just for

1:06:54>> it'll keep it cleaner. I agree.

1:06:57>> Okay. So, we have the Clemens amendment.

1:07:00All those in favor?

1:07:02>> I I Any oppos? Okay. So before us is 12

1:07:06is the what was written plus his

1:07:08sentence.

1:07:11>> Alderman Morgan.

1:07:12>> Uh thank you for allowing me to speak to

1:07:14this. Um

1:07:17I would suggest um at the well the the

1:07:22end on the current pink before the

1:07:23amendment was made um the word

1:07:25temporary. So, their disability or

1:07:28temporary disability? Um, because some

1:07:30people um unless you think that

1:07:33disability covers both, but I was hoping

1:07:35to ask legal that question.

1:07:38>> I could wait till the full board on

1:07:39that.

1:07:41>> Yeah, I don't know enough about that.

1:07:43>> A broken leg is something that would be

1:07:44temporary.

1:07:45>> Alman Clemens,

1:07:47>> does the US code

1:07:50>> define temporary

1:07:50>> define that? Because

1:07:53we are mentioning that. I don't know if

1:07:56it does or not.

1:07:57>> I mean, you can get a plate if you are

1:07:59temporarily disabled. I know because I

1:08:01had one.

1:08:02>> I will uh I'll ask legal before our full

1:08:06board meeting.

1:08:06>> Okay.

1:08:07>> Okay. Thank you,

1:08:07>> Alman. Craig,

1:08:08>> um from my understanding of legal um

1:08:10ease because it doesn't specify

1:08:12permanent disability. That doesn't mean

1:08:15that it doesn't exclude temporary. It

1:08:17just disability. It can be permanent or

1:08:19temporary.

1:08:20>> Great.

1:08:22>> Um Alderman Johnson,

1:08:23>> thank you. I agree because it does not

1:08:26define. So if let's say you break your

1:08:29leg and you only need that plaque in and

1:08:31I hate to go back to that but that's

1:08:33that's what's going to happen then they

1:08:35will give you a temporary one but you're

1:08:37still entitled to have that disability

1:08:40and able to park close or whatever.

1:08:43>> So I don't have a problem even if it's

1:08:46temporary in here because if you're

1:08:48disabled even for six months you're

1:08:49disabled for six months or a year. Yeah.

1:08:53>> So, I have a question. Um, and it was

1:08:55one that was brought up during public

1:08:56comment. Does the ADA outline what

1:09:00documents are appropriate to identify

1:09:04your disability?

1:09:07>> Um, go ahead, Alman Johnson.

1:09:08>> Yes, I did copy the paper today and I

1:09:12forgot to bring it in, but I did read um

1:09:15that they you can ask for a letter, I

1:09:17believe, but we can ask legal on that

1:09:20for the full board. Um

1:09:22>> because I believe they I did read that

1:09:25you can be asked to show a letter, but

1:09:28you don't have to give the condition. It

1:09:30would just say that you have a medical

1:09:31condition and that you just need to be

1:09:34able to um remote in. I don't care about

1:09:37people's condition. I don't want to know

1:09:38what the medical condition is. It's just

1:09:41that it allows people to remote in.

1:09:45>> Um so I'm going to I mean I think these

1:09:48edits make it more palatable. I was

1:09:50worried about a lot of things like

1:09:51someone with a not a walking disability

1:09:54saying, "Well, I wasn't included." That

1:09:56kind of thing. Um I

1:09:59I do struggle with the fact that our

1:10:01current policy does meet ADA. That I'm

1:10:05still there and that I feel like this

1:10:07piece of legislation isn't about whether

1:10:09we are complying with ADA. I asked legal

1:10:11directly and they said what we do

1:10:13currently complies with federal and

1:10:14state laws. um and this would neither

1:10:17violate it nor is required in order to

1:10:20comply with it. So I think this piece of

1:10:21legislation is about whether or not we

1:10:23want Zoom participation for people and

1:10:25we had that conversation and I lost. I

1:10:28wanted it. Um so I think that I just

1:10:30want to couch it that way that if I no

1:10:32vote on it, it has nothing to do with

1:10:34the disabilities. It's it's about the

1:10:37coordination of the Zoom and us being

1:10:41whether this is fair or not being held

1:10:42to a higher standard. You can't go to

1:10:44schoolboard meetings on Zoom. You

1:10:45cannot. They do not have the technical

1:10:46ability, but they're still in

1:10:48compliance. So to put it as a compliance

1:10:50issue isn't we are complying. It's do we

1:10:54want to allow an a deeper level of

1:10:57access through Zoom which we many of us

1:10:59in this chamber live through. Alderman

1:11:02Johnson.

1:11:03>> Thank you.

1:11:04the school district in order to allow

1:11:09Zoom or phone calling it would be it

1:11:12would not be reasonable because of the

1:11:14cost factor. It has to be reasonable

1:11:16accommodation under the law. So in order

1:11:18for them to do it because again Mrs.

1:11:20Brown and myself wanted it done but it

1:11:23was not reasonable the cost. We already

1:11:27have it implemented in here because you

1:11:29did it during CO. When we did it during

1:11:31CO, we bought the Zoom time and we

1:11:34didn't have it all the time. So whatever

1:11:36the district did, it was only open for

1:11:38those periods of time and once CO was

1:11:41done and we went back in that was the

1:11:43end of it. But we have it here. The

1:11:45planning board allows everybody to

1:11:48remote in to zoom in. So we do it in one

1:11:51department and one set of meetings but

1:11:54other ones we don't. So the question is

1:11:57is that is it all or is it nothing or do

1:12:00we at least allow people who are unable

1:12:04to come out to these meetings to let

1:12:07them participate because they are still

1:12:10part of the public and they want to

1:12:13participate. It could be 10 people,

1:12:15could be two people, we don't know but

1:12:17we're not giving them that opportunity.

1:12:19So, I cleaned it up, took everything

1:12:20out, and just made it ADA compliant.

1:12:23That's it. We don't have to have

1:12:25legislation. We could just do it without

1:12:28the legislation and just say, "We're

1:12:30going to remote it for people who are

1:12:33disabled or open it to everybody." But I

1:12:36figured I would just start it this way

1:12:38and see how it works. Small pieces at a

1:12:42time. Thank you,

1:12:45>> Alderman Morgan.

1:12:46>> Thank you, um, Madam Chair. And again, I

1:12:49appreciate the committee allowing me to

1:12:51come and speak. Um, I want to commend

1:12:54all of you for um considering this piece

1:12:58of legislation. Um, I will say at the

1:13:01beginning I thought that walking

1:13:02disability wasn't enough and um but I

1:13:06after speaking uh with my colleague I

1:13:10understand the intent was to start. we

1:13:12needed something and I am now happy that

1:13:16this piece of legislation is is whole

1:13:20and it is going to cover that. Um I

1:13:22think it's a beautiful start. Um and I

1:13:25brought my site cane here for you guys

1:13:27to see. Do I always use it? No. But the

1:13:31reason I brought it

1:13:34was for exactly what we was mentioned

1:13:36earlier. Um proof is different things to

1:13:39different people. For some people that

1:13:40could be a a walker. For some people

1:13:43it's a handicap placard. Um

1:13:46I could I have a 13page document that

1:13:50talks about the complexity of um my rare

1:13:54eye disorder.

1:13:55No offense to our city's team, but

1:13:58they're not going to understand what

1:14:00that 13-page document is. I had to send

1:14:02it to the state office and the state

1:14:03office hired some outside agency expert

1:14:06to then say, "Yes, this is a qualified

1:14:08disability." Um, so I love that this

1:14:12piece of legislation is here. Um, it is

1:14:15also blind awareness month, so it's

1:14:17really perfect timing. Um, and the only

1:14:21thing that

1:14:23discourages me is something that isn't

1:14:26on here, which is the amount of times

1:14:28that somebody would have to require or

1:14:30document their disability. Um, I'll get

1:14:34that clarification from our ADA

1:14:35compliance team on what that does look

1:14:37like, or I shouldn't say team. we have

1:14:38one person um and just to make sure that

1:14:41once somebody does file that that's it.

1:14:43They don't have to keep having that

1:14:45burden of proof. Um and the only second

1:14:48thing that um worries me is since we do

1:14:52only have one person, what happens if

1:14:54they go on vacation or they're sick or

1:14:56they move on and they get a new job and

1:14:57in that time period we don't have a

1:14:59qualified person to make um that

1:15:02assessment. So that is my only concern.

1:15:05Otherwise, I'm really excited to vote

1:15:07for this at at the full board and

1:15:09appreciate all of you in taking this

1:15:12step forward and allowing more of our

1:15:14citizens to take part in a way that

1:15:17where they can. Thank you,

1:15:20>> Alderman Clemens and then

1:15:22>> Yep. Thank you. Um yeah, so um

1:15:27very good points that were brought up uh

1:15:30by my colleague all the large. Um, I

1:15:35think I I I do want to consider one more

1:15:38amendment. Um, and it's a start date.

1:15:42The only reason is because if we go to

1:15:45the next board meeting and we pass this,

1:15:48then they have two weeks to implement

1:15:50it, right? And that could be problematic

1:15:53in the sense that

1:15:55Donna has to coordinate with

1:15:59the camera team, it

1:16:03risk.

1:16:05So my my suggestion is that we put a

1:16:08start date on this. Uh, and the start

1:16:11date that I would suggest would would

1:16:13just be November 15th, which would get

1:16:16us

1:16:19>> the it wouldn't start till the it would

1:16:22start the second

1:16:24um

1:16:26full board meeting in November.

1:16:30that I think gives gives our city teams

1:16:34time to coordinate how this is going to

1:16:36work and come up with a plan for how

1:16:38it's going to work because quite frankly

1:16:41I don't want to get into the weeds of

1:16:42that right so let them get together

1:16:46coordinate how they want to do it and

1:16:48then that gives them time um so I'm

1:16:51going to make a further amendment

1:16:54uh to say that this ordinance shall uh

1:16:58take effect on November 15th

1:17:002026.

1:17:02>> Alman Johnson,

1:17:03>> I totally agree.

1:17:05>> Okay.

1:17:05>> It gives them 30 days to implement it

1:17:07and I think that's perfect.

1:17:09>> Okay. You heard the amendment.

1:17:10>> Just want to make sure you're okay with

1:17:11it.

1:17:12>> Yep.

1:17:13>> Heard the amendment. All those in favor?

1:17:14>> I. Any opposed? Okay.

1:17:18Um, any additional discussion? Alderman

1:17:21Tibo? Sorry, I knew you were in line.

1:17:22>> Oh, yeah. Um, that's all right. I' I've

1:17:24been against Zoom for a long time, even

1:17:27with the alderman. Uh, I haven't used

1:17:28Zoom once this year. I've used it like

1:17:31maybe twice in my five years and it's

1:17:33because I was didn't want to get

1:17:34Alderman Jetty sick cuz he's 80 years

1:17:36old. Um, outside of that, I've not used

1:17:38it. I feel it's often a crutch for

1:17:40people. So, I'm going to be consistent

1:17:42and I don't think we should have Zoom at

1:17:44all. So, doesn't matter who the person

1:17:46is.

1:17:47So,

1:17:51>> any additional discussion?

1:17:57Motion on the floor is to recommend

1:17:59final passage.

1:18:00>> This for the any the whole amendment or

1:18:02is this as amended? Okay.

1:18:04>> Yeah. As amended.

1:18:05>> As amended

1:18:06>> 85 times.

1:18:08>> Do you want to read what it is? Do you

1:18:10have the sentences?

1:18:12>> Um I'd like to make a motion or the

1:18:14motion on the table is allowing

1:18:16electronic public comment for people

1:18:17with walking disabilities. um amended

1:18:20with adding at the end the risk

1:18:22department should or shall determine

1:18:24eligibility and the start date is

1:18:27November 15, 2026.

1:18:31>> Okay,

1:18:34[sighs]

1:18:36>> you've heard the motion. All those in

1:18:38favor?

1:18:39>> I.

1:18:40>> All those opposed? Nay.

1:18:42>> Motion fails. make a motion to send with

1:18:45no recommendation to the board because I

1:18:47don't want it to keep sitting at the

1:18:48committee.

1:18:52>> Okay.

1:18:52>> Okay.

1:18:53>> Who passed it?

1:18:55>> We

1:18:57>> division

1:19:002000.

1:19:01>> Correct. So that fails. Uh but now we're

1:19:04making a motion to send it with no

1:19:06recommendation. All right. All those in

1:19:08favor?

1:19:08>> I I Any opposed?

1:19:11>> Okay. That motion carries.

1:19:17I gotta get to my last page here. Do we

1:19:19have anything else? That's not coming

1:19:20off the table. That's not coming off the

1:19:22table. Are we down to public comment?

1:19:26>> Yep.

1:19:26>> Public comment.

1:19:36>> [snorts]

1:19:41>> Lori Oralado Nashua. Um, you know, you

1:19:45mentioned that you got a legal letter uh

1:19:47for late um information to the packet. I

1:19:51wrote to legal today. First of all, the

1:19:53ordinance doesn't have page two on it.

1:19:55Who signed it? What's the analysis?

1:19:58Okay, that's number one. I want to know

1:19:59what the ordinance says for analysis.

1:20:02Number two, if attorney Bolton sent a

1:20:04letter to the board, it should have been

1:20:05available here at the table. I came here

1:20:07to address it. I don't even know what

1:20:09the letter says or what his

1:20:11communication is about. There were a lot

1:20:13of questions asked in here that I think

1:20:15an attorney needed to be here on the

1:20:17question raised on whether what does

1:20:19title 2 ADA requirement for doc require

1:20:22for documentation. Actually, they

1:20:24require none. They don't state that you

1:20:26need documentation at all.

1:20:28>> Um they make that no requirement. They

1:20:31don't prohibit you from requesting it,

1:20:33but they don't make it a requirement.

1:20:35Their preference is that you interview,

1:20:37call, um, speak to somebody and make and

1:20:40make a determination without requiring

1:20:42any documentation at all. Now, given all

1:20:45this discussion here tonight, I'm

1:20:47wondering why the ADA coordinator

1:20:49rejected the citizen who asked for um,

1:20:52Zoom access. What was the reason that

1:20:55the the person didn't come back and say,

1:20:56"You need documentation?" A matter of

1:20:58fact, Jen Deay and Risk Management said,

1:21:00"We don't need this board to do

1:21:03anything. We don't need them to write

1:21:05legislation." And yet, Jen Deay emails

1:21:09Donna Graham. Lorie Wilshshire says,

1:21:11"Because she says, I want Lorie

1:21:13Wilshshire to weigh in." If your agency

1:21:15didn't need the legislative body, why

1:21:17are you going to her? And then she says,

1:21:19"I want a legal opinion which isn't

1:21:21shared with the public." So, this

1:21:24individual has been rejected for no

1:21:26reason. It's not as though Risk said,

1:21:28"Hey, we need a letter. We need

1:21:30documentation. We'd like to interview

1:21:32you. We'd like to call you, get a few

1:21:34more specifics." Nothing. It was just

1:21:37no. And what didn't exist 10 days ago

1:21:41that exists now,

1:21:42>> one minute

1:21:42>> for to be able to do this, even on a

1:21:45split vote. The reasons for you not

1:21:47voting for it were not so much that you

1:21:50was specifically Shauna because you

1:21:52didn't agree with it. there was some

1:21:53specific issue and Derek is just opposed

1:21:56to Zoom alto together um for anyone. So

1:22:00he wouldn't do it for somebody with a

1:22:02disability. I think that creates a

1:22:03liability for the city. Where's legal on

1:22:05this? I don't understand why they're not

1:22:08here to say whether there's an issue.

1:22:11>> 30 seconds.

1:22:12>> It's just and as far as u Miss Johnson,

1:22:15you're where were people five years ago?

1:22:17Where were people five years ago with me

1:22:19on assessing? That's not a fair

1:22:22question. People didn't know and they

1:22:24didn't come out. I came out because

1:22:26there's an ordinance and because a

1:22:28friend of mine actually wrote for

1:22:30assistance and I said I'd help speak to

1:22:32it because she can't be here, which is

1:22:34what you told people to do. I'm I'm This

1:22:37legislation is not great and I can tell

1:22:40you this individual is going to request

1:22:42to zoom to a standing committee meeting

1:22:44and is going to get rejected and that's

1:22:46going to be a liability issue.

1:22:48>> Thank you.

1:22:50general discussion.

1:22:53I'm actually going to respond because I

1:22:55want to clarify my no recommendation

1:22:58vote. One of the reasons I wanted to do

1:23:01that is because legal will be at the

1:23:02full board meeting. Um, and some of

1:23:04these questions might be able to be

1:23:06answered between now and then. Um, and

1:23:08it has sat in this committee for a very

1:23:10long time. Um, so I think that I have

1:23:12similar questions. I have consum similar

1:23:14concerns about what liabilities it puts

1:23:16us at in terms of if we are the ones

1:23:19determining

1:23:20what documentation or what what

1:23:22constitutes a liability, are we just

1:23:24opening ourselves up to even more and

1:23:27more lawsuits. So,

1:23:29>> thank you.

1:23:30>> Um, anyone else?

1:23:33>> Yeah, I'd like to say something.

1:23:34>> Alderman Johnson,

1:23:36>> you know, I sit and I read this. I sat

1:23:39down with attorney Clark and we went

1:23:41over this. Um,

1:23:44I thought maybe legal would be here

1:23:46tonight too to answer questions. Um, and

1:23:50I when I asked this to be on the agenda,

1:23:53I did it the appropriate way through

1:23:57Miss Graham to have her contact

1:24:01you alone. Um, so then this way would be

1:24:05on the agenda appropriately. So, there

1:24:07wouldn't be any questions. Um, and I

1:24:11don't understand why legal isn't here to

1:24:13answer these questions. I'd like to see

1:24:15this passed. I'd like to see people who

1:24:18are disabled have this opportunity to to

1:24:21ask questions, to give their opinions.

1:24:25Um, and we the longer this goes on, the

1:24:28more and more we're denying them their

1:24:31rights under ADA. And I guess what

1:24:34bothers me more than anything is that

1:24:38when people say, you know, we proclaim

1:24:40that love has hate has no place. We love

1:24:44everybody except we can't love a person

1:24:46with a disability. And you know, when I

1:24:50asked to come in here and I went through

1:24:53Ross,

1:24:55I was denied. He went to the state

1:24:57department of transportation to get an

1:24:59answer. and he was told I would suggest

1:25:01that you allow her to part to

1:25:03participate by remote. I was never given

1:25:06that opportunity because I helped write

1:25:08that ordinance for married couples in

1:25:12order for them to have that exempt the

1:25:15elderly exempt and I wanted to come in

1:25:17that night and speak but I couldn't I

1:25:18couldn't walk. So, I don't know how many

1:25:22of you have had that problem, a

1:25:24disability where you can't walk or you

1:25:26can't do anything, but and I understand

1:25:29the pain factor, but it's denying people

1:25:32who live in this city, who pay taxes,

1:25:35who pay our stipens,

1:25:38no right to be able to come in here

1:25:42and to give us their opinion. Yes, they

1:25:43can email. Yes, they could do that. But

1:25:47you know oneto one even over a monitor

1:25:50is totally different than an email

1:25:53because you take it as communication

1:25:55from so and so and you don't read it and

1:25:57we don't get to listen to them and then

1:26:00make a comment later on and maybe answer

1:26:02their questions. So there's a

1:26:04difference. So I just wanted to bring

1:26:06that up, you know, and I really Yeah,

1:26:10I'm gonna I'm not going to say another

1:26:12word. Thank [snorts] you. Really, Alman

1:26:15Tbo?

1:26:16>> Again, I I take always take super

1:26:17offense when you say the world we don't

1:26:20care about disabilities because we're

1:26:22not allowing Zoom access. We increased

1:26:24the disabled credit a couple years ago.

1:26:27So, we do care. I do. My wife has

1:26:29leukemia. I got bad I can't feel my feet

1:26:32at all. So, I have uh neuropathy. So, I

1:26:36understand people with disabilities

1:26:38100%. So, I always take offense when you

1:26:40say you guys don't care about

1:26:41disabilities. You guys don't read the

1:26:43letters. If you don't read a letter that

1:26:45comes in from a constituent, whether

1:26:46it's mine or whether it's Alderman Gregs

1:26:49or Alderman Clemens, I read that. If you

1:26:51don't read it, you're a bad alderman.

1:26:53It's simple as that. So, we allow people

1:26:57to say what they want to us. Okay? So,

1:27:00it isn't in front of the cameras that

1:27:02three people are watching at home. So,

1:27:04what? They could still send it to us. We

1:27:06can read it and we know what they think.

1:27:09I think that's important. So, don't say

1:27:12we don't read stuff when you don't know

1:27:13who's reading and who's not. I read

1:27:15everything that comes into me. Do I

1:27:17understand everything? No, not all the

1:27:19time. Because when we get something from

1:27:20legal, I have to make sure I I read it

1:27:21over and over again. But when I get

1:27:23something from a constituent, I read it.

1:27:25And if I have to respond to them, I do.

1:27:27I respond probably more than anyone. I

1:27:28respond to Lilia Orano, even though she

1:27:30sues me. And she never takes my

1:27:33responses back to her, even when I

1:27:34answer question well. She doesn't take

1:27:36them well. So, I do read and I do try to

1:27:39be a good alderman. So don't you know

1:27:41you're accusing us just generally of not

1:27:44reading stuff one and you're accusing us

1:27:46of not caring about people with

1:27:47disabilities. That's absolutely not

1:27:49true. Don't generalize. I don't

1:27:51generalize with you. People that you

1:27:54support have have maybe some hatred

1:27:57towards people. I don't say everybody

1:27:59does. You do too because you're part of

1:28:01that party. I don't say that. I don't

1:28:03accuse you of that cuz it's a

1:28:05generalization.

1:28:06And so why would you accuse us of not

1:28:08caring about disabilities? because I

1:28:10don't want Zoom access. I don't want it

1:28:11for someone who doesn't have a

1:28:12disability. I don't want it for the

1:28:14alderman. How about that? So, talk to

1:28:17that

1:28:19remarks.

1:28:21>> I have a remark.

1:28:23>> Alderman Johnson,

1:28:24>> thank you. When I said read it, I meant

1:28:27reading it into the record here. So,

1:28:29we're like if they were on the monitor

1:28:32that we would read their email so

1:28:34everybody could hear what their opinion

1:28:35is. That's number one. Number two, I get

1:28:39it with people who are disabled. You

1:28:41have a disability, but you know what? We

1:28:44are denying people the right to be able

1:28:47to. You don't like remote. I wrote an

1:28:51ordinance that if you're remoting that

1:28:54you have to stay, your face has to be

1:28:56shown there so we know that you're

1:28:58actually in the room and you're part of

1:29:01the meeting. Okay.

1:29:04But I couldn't care less about my party.

1:29:07I'm not I'm not pay allegiance to

1:29:09anybody anymore any parties. So just the

1:29:13way it is.

1:29:15I've had it.

1:29:18Do you have a motion?

1:29:18>> Nope. Can I do one more remarks separate

1:29:21from that?

1:29:21>> You are technically in remarks. Alderman

1:29:23>> talk. Yeah. Separate from that. Um so I

1:29:25just want to say it was a beautiful day

1:29:27on Saturday. I went down to the

1:29:28multicultural festival and uh spent some

1:29:30time down there with my daughter. It was

1:29:32it was a great event. Um, and I just

1:29:35wanted to mention that that I know they

1:29:36had to postpone it because of the rain

1:29:38the week before and um, but it was nice

1:29:41first time down at the Riverside for the

1:29:42the multicultural festival. So, I just

1:29:44wanted to mention that and uh, leave

1:29:47with something positive.

1:29:50>> I'll follow on with that and say that I

1:29:53did not make it to the multicultural

1:29:55because I had previous engagement, but

1:29:56on Sunday I got to participate in the

1:29:59NAMI walk. Uh there were over a thousand

1:30:01people there talking about mental health

1:30:02and suicide prevention and um it was

1:30:05just really great to be around people

1:30:06and to continue that theme of like you

1:30:09are not alone. There are a lot of people

1:30:11whose stories um can connect and we can

1:30:13we can all help each other. So that was

1:30:16a lovely piece of my weekend and I'm

1:30:19looking for a motion. Alderman Clemens

1:30:22>> motion to adjurnn.

1:30:24>> All those in favor?

1:30:25>> I.

1:30:26>> Any opposed?

1:30:27>> I'm not opposed. I just didn't say I. We

1:30:30are turned at 8:31. Thank you everyone.

1:30:33>> All right, it's turned off.

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