2026-10-14 - Committee on Infrastructure

00:10Everybody, please 7:00 we're going to

00:13start.

00:16So I would like to call to order the

00:19meeting in the committee of

00:20infrastructure this being Wednesday

00:23October 14th at 7 p.m. in the automatic

00:26chamber and duly notice in two places

00:30including the city's websites in

00:31according with requirements of RSA 91-

00:35semicolon 2 Roman numeral 2. Uh will the

00:41clerk please call the role?

00:43>> Yes. Um, Alderman Paula Johnson

00:45>> present.

00:46>> Alderwoman Venjifila Smith is absent.

00:49>> Well, don't make her absent because I

00:51hear she is coming on her way. Okay, we

00:54will leave that open.

00:54>> Yeah, we'll leave it open.

00:56>> Alderman Richard Dow

00:58>> present.

00:59>> Uh, Alderman at large Alicia Greg is

01:01here. Alderman at large Michael O'Brien

01:03>> present.

01:04>> Okay, you have four. So, you have

01:05quorum. And then also in attendance, we

01:08have Alderman uh Patricia Cle and Tim

01:10Cummings, administrative service

01:12director.

01:13>> Okay.

01:15Uh

01:17now I'm going to open up the public

01:21hearing for the petition for street

01:24acceptance on Julie Juliana Avenue.

01:29So I will accept uh testimony in favor

01:33and testimony against. First, I would

01:36like to recognize attorney Pearlman to

01:39introduce this to us.

01:43>> Uh, Mr. Chairman, members of the uh,

01:44committee. Good evening. My name is Andy

01:46Pearlman. I'm an attorney with Pruner

01:48and Pearlman here in Nshawa. I'm

01:50representing uh, Raisin and Homes Elite

01:52owner of the uh, fee um to the Juliana

01:57Avenue. uh Resident Homes uh purchased

02:00this property in March of 2022

02:03and then subsequently took the um

02:05property through the subdivision process

02:07with the National Planning Board and uh

02:10as the road as approve as proposed and

02:13approved was built out, inspected along

02:16the way, inspected final inspections

02:18this past summer. Um the engineering

02:20team has signed off on uh the street

02:23acceptance. We've submitted our title

02:25opinion that attorney Leonard um has uh

02:28signed off on as well. So we believe we

02:30have a routine um street acceptance

02:32petition before you and we're looking

02:34for the positive recommendation back to

02:35the full board of alderman. Happy to

02:37answer any questions.

02:40>> Um any questions by members of the

02:42committee?

02:46>> Okay.

02:47>> Um total what's the guesstimation if I

02:50may? What are the value of the homes

02:53that are going in there and the

02:54potential of tax revenue?

02:57>> Uh well, I can't do a tax math uh off

02:59the top of my head because I'm a lawyer,

03:00not a numbers guy. Um but just on

03:04average, the homes um sold there are two

03:08left to close. Uh they come in

03:10approximately about a million dollars a

03:12home. Some a little bit less, some a

03:14little bit higher. That's the ballpark.

03:16And there are 22 home 20

03:19>> 19

03:20>> 19 homes 19 homes and then there was a

03:22separate subdivision that had three

03:24other um houses right next door but not

03:27part of this Julian Avenue.

03:30>> Okay. No, I didn't answer right there.

03:32Million dollars. Uh how many firemen you

03:35think will live there? [laughter]

03:37>> I think uh you don't have to answer

03:40>> plus their spouses.

03:42>> Yeah. All right. Thank you. Thank you.

03:45Thank you, attorney. Uh, I'll now open

03:48up the public hearing. Uh, and

03:53anybody that is in favor or opposed,

03:57come up. We didn't write start a list.

04:00When you come to the podium, please give

04:02your name and address and uh,

04:06>> just city. They just need to give their

04:08name and city.

04:09>> Yeah. Hopefully, you live in Asha. Um,

04:13okay. you just your name and city and uh

04:17so you come up when they call what is

04:20your point of view. So now I'll open up

04:23to testimony in favor.

04:27[sighs]

04:29Okay, seeing none,

04:32I will now open up testimony and

04:34opposition.

04:39Seeing none,

04:41I again open up testimony

04:45in favor.

04:48Seeing none,

04:52I'll now open up testimony in

04:54opposition.

04:57And again seeing none.

05:01So I will close the public hearing on

05:03the petition of street acceptance on

05:05Juliana Avenue and it's declared closed

05:09at 7:05 according to my citizen watch.

05:16Okay. I will now call to order the

05:19regular uh meeting at 7:05.

05:26I'll open up the microphone again to

05:29public comment. Anybody in the audience

05:32that wants to step forward one at a time

05:35for public comment?

05:39Seeing no takers, I'll close the public

05:42comment section. And now we're going to

05:45uh get to next discussion in our

05:48presentations.

05:50And we have an update on the Mohawk

05:52Tannery projects remediation and I'll

05:56refer to

05:59um administrative service director, Mr.

06:02Tim Cummings.

06:03>> Uh thank you, Mr. Chairman. For the

06:04record, Tim Cummings, director of

06:05administrative services. uh this evening

06:08uh we have the uh Thornike uh team here

06:12and and Michael Devon is going to come

06:13up in a second and provide you all with

06:16an update on the on the Mohawk Tannery

06:19project. If you recall uh a few months

06:22back, I believe this group asked that we

06:25uh reach out to to the uh development

06:28team and asked them to come before us to

06:31give us a project status update. I think

06:33for those of you who have driven the uh

06:36Veterans Memorial Parkway, you've

06:38certainly seen some dirt moving around

06:41and I know it has sparked some curiosity

06:44with uh not just you but with the

06:46general uh uh population and residents

06:49here in the in this community. So, it

06:51would be a good public service for us to

06:52just uh touch base on on this project

06:55because we're just approaching a year uh

06:58and and hearing a little bit from the

07:00development team as to as to what's

07:02occurred and what's planned on the

07:03horizon would would behoove us all. So,

07:05with that uh being said, Mr. Chairman,

07:07I'd like Michael to come up and if he

07:09could he could talk you through a little

07:11bit about uh what they what they've

07:12done.

07:13>> Absolutely.

07:13>> Thank you.

07:17>> Thank you, Director Cummings. Uh thank

07:18you chairman O'Brien and members of the

07:21board. Uh my name is Michael Devon. I

07:23work for Thorn uh development in

07:26multiple roles but for Mohawk Tano's

07:28project manager. Um and uh join with me

07:31tonight is Lloyd Geisinger u manager

07:34member manager of Bllelock Holdings. Uh

07:37if you recall uh Thorndikeke Development

07:39and Windrest Development are partners in

07:42uh Bllelock Holdings uh which is the

07:44remediation

07:46uh lead and ultimately the master

07:48development of the of the redevelopment.

07:50Uh Lloyd is president of Thorndike as

07:52well as manager of play. Uh in the back

07:55also is Mike Panessa. Mike's the

07:58day-to-day project manager on site uh at

08:00the at the Mohawk tannery. um and he he

08:04wanted to obviously be here as based on

08:06all the work that he's doing and uh the

08:08work that this board has done uh for us.

08:11Uh the Mohawk tenery site uh if you

08:14recall some members are new uh some of

08:16you have been working on it for 17 years

08:18plus. The Mohawkery site is a legacy

08:22site that was long contaminated. Um

08:25consisting of uh the Mohawk Tannery

08:27site, the Mo Fimbledorf factory. Um the

08:31Nashville River rungs along uh the

08:34project site. Um this photo is from

08:361970s. Uh as you can see the parkway

08:39which is uh to the north of the

08:42Fimbledor factory um is actually not

08:45constructed in this photo. Uh that being

08:47much later. Um the scary thing about

08:50this photo is the Tannery lagoons. Uh

08:53those lagoons are full of carcinogenic

08:55sludge sitting right along the Nasha

08:57River within the 100redyear flood plane.

08:59Um that combined with the uh

09:01carcinogenic materials that are all

09:03throughout the site uh being immediately

09:06adjacent to Little Florida and uh

09:08Fairmont Heights neighborhoods uh got

09:11the attention of the federal uh

09:12regulators in the form of the EPA as

09:14well as state regulators. Uh site was

09:16set shut down in 1984.

09:19Uh but uh through a a great partnership

09:22uh which began with this board um the

09:25board of alderman obviously were a

09:27tremendous uh help in and uh getting

09:30this project finally approved uh and

09:32ready to uh get remediated and

09:35redeveloped. Um the board uh time and

09:38time again approved resolutions,

09:40ordinances uh what this project needed

09:43to get over the hump. In addition, we

09:45had great partners. Uh, one Bernie plant

09:47with Wangrest forming the the two-headed

09:51duo of Lloyd and Bernie uh, which got

09:53the project underway. uh the governor's

09:57office in the state uh with Governor

09:59Cenounu and then govern Governor Ayat uh

10:02were tremendous helps uh both in terms

10:04of financing as well as uh their various

10:07entities and agencies helping out u the

10:10EPA uh and of course uh the mayor uh

10:13putting together his team of city

10:16staffers, three of which are here

10:17tonight uh director Cummings, Engineer

10:19Hudson, and I think director Sullivan

10:22had a little bit too as well, but we

10:24don't like to give him too much

10:26>> [laughter]

10:27>> Um, so

10:28>> you know him too.

10:29>> What's that?

10:30>> You know him too.

10:31>> We do know him. Yeah.

10:32>> Okay. [laughter]

10:34>> I say that in just

10:36>> No, I I did too. Um, but we won't let

10:39him know. Um, this is the site as it

10:41stands today. This is an aerial shot uh

10:44taken in September. As you can see, uh,

10:46a tremendous amount of work has occurred

10:48uh, thus far. You can see that the

10:50access and construction roads have been

10:52established. Um the construction

10:54trailers and and all the uh various

10:57headquarter elements are closest to the

10:59parkway. Um which which is on the left

11:02of your screen. Um as well as uh various

11:06work has already started. Um zooming in

11:09a little bit. Uh we have mobilized,

11:11we've prepared the site, we've cleared

11:13trees, we've improved those uh roads. Uh

11:16we have excavated and uh relocated a

11:20bunch of asbesus materials. uh setting

11:22the stage for its eventual uh placement

11:25in environmentally controlled manner. Uh

11:27we've installed uh the beginning parts

11:30of the containment wall. Uh the

11:32containment wall is a a vast secant

11:34system that is ultimately going to be

11:36capped uh with an impermeable cap and

11:38all the bad stuff is going to go inside

11:40there. Um and uh most notably for at

11:44least the neighborhood uh safety

11:46measures have been in place since day

11:47one. Uh that consists of internal safety

11:50uh for work zone safety for the workers

11:53but external uh safety with air monitors

11:55on the perimeter uh which monitor the

11:58air quality of the air that's

11:59circulating on the site. Uh depending on

12:02its levels it triggers various

12:04responses. Uh to date we haven't uh had

12:07any protocols that have escalated u into

12:10that realm. uh but we are tapped into

12:12the city's uh public uh safety network

12:15and the and the uh great people of that

12:17uh those organizations and we have uh an

12:20emergency protocol established uh and

12:22and ready to respond if needed.

12:26Um moving ahead once once uh we we

12:29continue on uh after tonight uh we have

12:34uh five main uh objectives um obviously

12:38a variety of tasks uh daytoday but the

12:40five big uh wavetop items that we're

12:43going to be chasing uh very soon we will

12:46demolish the remainder of the old

12:48tannery if you look at the picture we

12:50have a number system um the the old

12:52tannery is depicted on number one uh the

12:55city has a long history with this old

12:57building. Uh there were multiple fires

12:59dating back many years ago uh that uh

13:02resulted in multiple responses and

13:04finally the city demolished part part of

13:06it but the foundation still remains and

13:08so that needs to be demolished. Uh we

13:11need to complete the containment wall uh

13:14in the in the entire system which is two

13:16and five. Um, since five is right next

13:18to two, uh, I'll just mention that, uh,

13:21at the end of this process, we'll have

13:23to put on an impermeable cap. Uh, that

13:26cap requires that the materials

13:28underneath to settle, um, before you put

13:31the cap on so you don't have dips and

13:32divots, uh, throughout throughout the

13:35cap. Um, more on that in a little bit.

13:38Um and then uh we of course have to

13:40clean up uh and excavate the remainder

13:43of the uh bad materials both the speus

13:46and the the tannery carcinogenic

13:48materials. Um and finally establish the

13:51the finish grade with the protective

13:52cover with the eye towards that finished

13:54grade being the grade for uh the

13:57redevelopment to start right away.

14:00Uh we have obviously had challenges. I'm

14:03sure 17 years ago if I told you um you

14:07know the tannery uh would get permitted

14:09you would you would you wouldn't be too

14:11surprised but you would be a little bit

14:12surprised but if I told you once

14:14permitted we'd run into some challenges

14:16you would say yeah of course that makes

14:18sense um it's a complex project um it

14:21has so far we've discovered additional

14:24uh contamination a whole uh a whole lot

14:28of asbestous was found that wasn't re uh

14:31uh tested and and discovered ahead of

14:34time. So that required an extensive work

14:36plan change um which then required all

14:40the various engineers and consultants to

14:42weigh in and of course the uh complex

14:45web of uh regulators with the EPA dees

14:48uh and their engineers from Sambornhead

14:51reviewing and the back and forth

14:52required. Um but we're still pushing

14:55ahead. Um with that uh as I mentioned

14:59the impermeable cap will go onto the

15:02containment cell um during a closeout

15:05period um for for the remediation.

15:08During that closeout period where the uh

15:10EPA and DS inspect every uh every aspect

15:14of the project and wait for the

15:17containment cell to settle uh we will uh

15:19begin our infrastructure work. We have

15:22an agreement from both of the regulators

15:24that this would be allowed at the front

15:25of the site uh which is closest to the

15:27Vera Memorial Parkway. Um which will

15:30allow us to uh develop the main access

15:34road uh put in the uh lay down the

15:37utilities that are necessary uh as well

15:39as uh uh and put put in a multimodal

15:43path um which more to fall on that as

15:46well. Um that all is possible because uh

15:50we have that great partnership allowing

15:53us to begin uh the the redevelopment

15:56while remediation is still occurring. Um

15:59and we're projecting this all to begin

16:01next summer hopefully. Um

16:05because we are coming before this board,

16:07it felt disingenuous not to give a

16:10preview. Uh but tonight isn't to talk

16:12about what's on the slide right now, but

16:15uh we are working with the city staff

16:17and we have now for a number of months

16:19on a uh a site plan change based on

16:22market conditions. uh big picture um the

16:26number of apartments will increase uh

16:29but the payment in Lou won't change the

16:33because we're going to more apartments

16:35that also means more affordable homes um

16:38as well as that multimmodal path that

16:40that [snorts] I mentioned

16:42um and ultimately this project uh

16:45matters a lot to us and to the city um

16:49and as you've heard time and again um

16:51what this project means for the city is

16:54more homes, a lot more. 546 homes. We

16:58already have 540 allocated for the

17:00firefighters. Um,

17:04and that will ultimately generate uh 4.5

17:07million uh in projected real estate tax

17:11revenue uh at full buildout. Um, as well

17:14as a private investment of $250 million.

17:18Um, in addition, uh, not only will the

17:21neighbors get a cleaned up neighborhood,

17:22but they'll also get public amenities

17:24such as a canoe and kayak launch, a

17:27riverwalk, a pedestrian bridge

17:29connecting this community and the

17:30surrounding neighborhoods to Mine Falls

17:32Park. Uh, as well once the containment

17:35cell is completed, uh, that will be a

17:37great recreational uh, passive

17:40recreational facility uh, with benches

17:42and walking paths and the like, uh, all

17:45open to the public, not just the

17:47community.

17:48With that, that that completes the the

17:50presentation part and obviously

17:52questions and answers. If if the chair

17:54would like

17:55>> I will open it up for questions, members

17:57of the board.

18:01>> Uh Alvin Clay,

18:02>> no, I'm sorry. You your your staff, your

18:04your members first. [clears throat]

18:06>> Uh so relative to the schedule that was

18:10originally proposed, where are you on

18:12the schedule and

18:14>> when do you see the

18:17all the material being in the coffer

18:19dams.

18:20>> Uh that's a good question. Uh I would

18:22say we're probably what three to six

18:25months

18:26>> end of next year we should just have the

18:30main.

18:31>> Okay. And end of next year we we'll have

18:33the site cleaned up there. Like I said

18:35with the discovery of the new

18:36contaminants that we were delayed with

18:38with um you know the regulatory

18:40approvals uh but overall we're we're

18:43we're not too far behind.

18:47Uh the chair, anybody else? Alderman

18:50Clay. Uh

18:51>> yes. Uh thank you. Um

18:54you said that you changed the

18:55configuration. I can see a definite

18:57change in the configuration, but um

19:00which which are going to be first? Will

19:02it be the apartments or the condos that

19:04will be built first or a little mix of

19:06each?

19:07>> Yeah, it it it's all being worked out.

19:11Um ideally, uh we would do everything at

19:14once, but we we can't. Um it depends on

19:16where we are in the conditions. Um in

19:18the in the package, you'll see you'll

19:20see a phasing plan,

19:22>> right?

19:22>> Um so I would just say just

19:24[clears throat] wait for that because we

19:25do have to work through things with the

19:27staff.

19:28>> Okay. Um may I

19:30>> your followup?

19:31>> Yes. It it's not a question so much as a

19:33comment, but I do remember originally

19:35this was going to be phased in. you

19:37would do. I thought it was going to be

19:38the condos first and then the um uh and

19:42then the apartments, but I know it's to

19:44be determined. I just um I I do

19:47understand that's necessarily changed. I

19:49mean I mean it'll it will depend on

19:52ultimate conditions once we get there,

19:53but

19:54>> Okay. Yeah. The only reason I asked the

19:56question was because you were talking

19:57about trying to get in the main roads

19:58and so on while you're still doing a

20:00little bit of the cleanup. That's why I

20:02was concerned as to which which were

20:04going to happen. We already have a plan

20:05in place from a financing standpoint to

20:07get the infrastructure work in uh while

20:10the remediation is happening. But

20:12because it's an active remediation site,

20:14right,

20:15>> we won't get con conventional uh

20:17financing from a construction lender,

20:19you know, a traditional bank. Um so that

20:22financing for um the initial

20:24infrastructure work is private money.

20:26Um, but that that then allows us once

20:29the remediation is actually signed off

20:31and we get uh the conventional uh

20:34construction financing to pull the

20:36building permit right away and not have

20:38to wait to do all that other

20:40infrastructure work.

20:41>> That makes sense. Just one real quick

20:42followup if I may. Um, so this is I

20:45guess my question. So you you will not

20:47be um doing occupancy while you're still

20:50doing the cleanup, correct? You're just

20:51going to be building during that time.

20:53No one will be Okay, that's all. Thank

20:55you. Appreciate it, Mr. Chairman,

20:57>> Alman Johnson,

20:58>> thank you. Where we're going to have 546

21:02homes,

21:03have we figured out the traffic? How

21:05much? Because I remember I think

21:07Alderman Dow mentioned that the last

21:09time. What is the traffic going to be

21:12like

21:13for the 500?

21:15>> We've done extensive traffic studies uh

21:17that have been peer- reviewviewed by the

21:18city staff. Yeah. uh and city

21:21consultants um Van NASA BHB um and and

21:25so I would be happy to send you those

21:26studies.

21:28>> May I continue?

21:29>> Can follow up?

21:30>> Yes. Thank you. Because I'm looking at

21:32the map and I'm seeing where it's coming

21:34on to Veterans Highway. Mhm.

21:36>> My concern is that because I remember

21:38Alderman Dow talked about whether or not

21:40there was going to be a traffic light

21:42because you can't merge people onto that

21:44Veterans Parkway, you know, not unless

21:46there's a light because I know West

21:48Holler Street with no light is a

21:50nightmare right now. And with 546

21:53apartments and how many cars are we

21:56going to be now putting on the road? Um,

21:59so I hope that in this plan we're going

22:02to have really take a good look at

22:05traffic merging from a development onto

22:09that parkway because people I mean you

22:11move right along on there. It's it's

22:13just a straight road and um I don't want

22:16to see any problems with accidents here

22:20coming from all of that.

22:21>> Yeah, we we we have plans for a traffic

22:23light. Those have been uh vetted and and

22:25reviewed by city engineering and their

22:27consultants.

22:28>> Okay. Thank you.

22:30>> Anybody else? Uh the chair does have one

22:33question.

22:34>> Yes, sir.

22:34>> Uh you mentioned some of the amenities

22:37and such as the kayak dock and

22:40everything.

22:41>> Is that only for the residents of this

22:44development or can the good people that

22:46have put up with the tannery over the

22:48years and I'm talking about little

22:50Florida,

22:51>> yes,

22:51>> that they could have access to such?

22:53>> Yes. All all the all of those amenities

22:55that I mentioned are open to the entire

22:57public. It's not just restricted to the

23:00neighborhood that we're building, uh,

23:01but the entire entire public, all of

23:03Nasha.

23:04>> Okay. Outstanding. Good. Uh, Alderman

23:08Klay,

23:09>> thank you. Just just one quick I

23:11clarification. I want to make sure that

23:12this is still on the table. Um, I I know

23:15Director Cummings is probably thinking I

23:18know she what she's going to ask. the

23:20the there was a discussion about a park

23:24um and my concern way back when was that

23:26those that would be walking through the

23:28area for the for whatever reasons to go

23:30over the bridge and and so on. Um that

23:33now is going to be open to the public.

23:35Correct. That's still on the table that

23:37that's open to the public.

23:38>> Good. I just want to make sure

23:40>> the entire uh we we've we've already

23:42established the various easements that

23:44the city has and that that whole area of

23:48amenities. Uh as you look on the screen

23:51here,

23:52>> um you can see where the parking lot

23:54that merges into a road that drops down

23:56closer to the river, right?

23:58>> Um that whole riverwalk, uh the the area

24:01that's depicted as a a playground, um

24:04the containment, uh systems, uh grass

24:08overlay, um the Riverwalk of course, and

24:11then the pedestrian bridge, that's all

24:13accessible for the public. um as well as

24:16the roads uh that are go into the

24:18community. Uh those are accessible to

24:21the public. Um and then the emergency

24:23access road. If you look uh from the

24:25project site up to um the Fairmont

24:29Heights area, you can see that access

24:32road. That's an emergency access road.

24:34>> Uh it will be gated um for the fire

24:36department. Uh but it will be accessible

24:39for people to walk down uh from that

24:41neighborhood. So they can just walk

24:42right from their neighborhood directly

24:44down to the riverwalk onto the

24:46pedestrian bridge.

24:47>> Just one quick followup if I may.

24:49>> Yes.

24:49>> Thank you. I appreciate

24:51>> um yes, I I and I appreciate the the

24:54gated um area into that because I know

24:56that was concerns of the neighbors that

24:58lived there that they would have too

24:59much traffic in there and I did know

25:01that there was going to be a light

25:02there. Um, but the um the clarification

25:05that I want to make for those that are

25:07listening is that um you guys will be

25:10building that pedestrian bridge, but the

25:12city is paying for that bridge.

25:14>> Correct. Yeah. The MDA um says that that

25:17the uh city will will reimburse $3

25:20million, but we will be uh in charge of

25:23of building,

25:23>> right, as part of your project. So, I

25:25No, I do appreciate that. Thank you.

25:29>> Doubt. Yeah. just um

25:33we were told that there would be an

25:35access road for that landlock property

25:40along the Veterans Memorial Parkway, but

25:44just south of the of your development.

25:46There was going to be an access road,

25:48>> correct?

25:49>> That will be open to that. So, it opens

25:51up that property.

25:52>> Um M Mr. Chairman, if you can go to

25:55slide eight.

25:56>> Eight. Yes, it is. Here we go.

26:00um that yellow um highlight that goes

26:03off to the left on on that screen or up

26:05up top, that's that access road to that

26:08uh property and and we in fact have that

26:10property under contract.

26:11>> Okay.

26:12>> Um and we have uh discussions ongoing

26:14with the city staff.

26:16>> And the other question I have is the

26:18forested land at the end of the

26:20property,

26:21>> the southern parcel. Yeah,

26:22>> that's going to be turned over to the

26:24city for recreational purposes. There's

26:28there's there's actually um in the MDA a

26:31provision that the city will make a

26:32determination. Oh, sorry. That's the um

26:36>> yeah, that's the

26:37>> Yeah, it will be an e. I'm sorry. I was

26:39confusing the two two lots. Um that the

26:41southern parcel will be an easement. Um

26:43the city the city had decided they had

26:46not wanted to take on that land. Uh but

26:49the city will have an easement for

26:51passive recreation such as walking

26:52trails.

26:54>> Okay. And

26:56when would that become accessible for

26:58that? Will that wait till after all the

27:00condominiums are built or the total

27:01buildout or

27:03>> um I don't remember the exact date from

27:05the phasing table, but there's a date

27:08specified in the phasing table, so I'd

27:09have to get back to you.

27:14>> Okay. Anybody else?

27:16Okay.

27:18I was a firefighter and I had a lot of

27:21fun with the Mohawk tannery. [snorts]

27:23[laughter]

27:25I'll probably die of cancer someday

27:27because of it.

27:28>> I don't want to hear that.

27:29>> But the thing is the people have long

27:32suffered in that community, little

27:35Florida. I remember the smells that were

27:38generated from the place. This is a step

27:41in the right direction for the city.

27:43It's also increasing

27:45apartments. you know that sound like

27:48they are within the affordability range

27:51but you can def argue what is affordable

27:54in today's economic climate but it's a

27:57step in the right direction so I

27:59compliment you and thank you for your

28:01presentation

28:03uh on this and seeing no further

28:06questions oh doubt

28:08>> yeah and and this was great we've been

28:11waiting for this and and perhaps we

28:14could set up periodic times when you

28:16come back give us future updates. Uh,

28:19>> you know, you can work it out with

28:20director Cummings on the timing, but uh,

28:24you know, this committee and the full

28:26board would like to stay a breast of all

28:28the changes as they're going through.

28:30>> Understood.

28:32>> We will do that.

28:33>> Yeah. This this could have been a

28:34hazardous material site for forever. I

28:38mean, what would be your end conclusion?

28:40Would this still be classified as a

28:42brownfield? Well, it is actually it's

28:45dual classified um both with the EPA and

28:49dees. Um the it's a dees brownfield site

28:54and then an EPA not super fun site but a

28:57removal action site. So,

28:59>> so no digging after we're done, you

29:02know,

29:02>> there will be a bunch of restrictions uh

29:05a a uh laid down and so those rules will

29:09be established and then there's a third

29:11party environmental uh firm that will be

29:14um the trustees of the containment cell.

29:17Uh they're a national company. They have

29:19a great reputation of managing these

29:21types of containment sites. um yeah

29:24containment sites and so they would uh

29:27oversee the administration of those

29:29rules regulations.

29:30>> So they'll oversee it also with the

29:33communications with the city but you

29:36will be the first door knocked on.

29:39Correct.

29:39>> Well me personally, yes. One of the

29:42other functions is director of community

29:43relations. So I'll be the first phone

29:45call.

29:46>> Okay. Very good.

29:48>> And then Matt will probably be my

29:49second. I evidently have spurned another

29:52question from Alderman Johnson.

29:54>> Thank you. Where it's a DEA and NPA

29:57site, does it ever leak? Do you ever

30:00have any problems with leakage that

30:03[laughter]

30:04>> um leakage? Uh no, the goal is not to

30:07have leakage. I mean,

30:08>> have you ever had problems that you had

30:09to go back and do any additional?

30:11>> Well, this is our first uh remediation

30:13site. Um but you know, we

30:15>> EVA

30:16>> EVA remediation site. Sorry, thanks for

30:18the clarification. Um, this is our first

30:20EPA remediation site, but we're a

30:22construction company, uh, real estate

30:24development company. If it leaks, we'll

30:26fix it.

30:28But the goal is not to

30:30>> I I understand, but sometimes things

30:32happen. You know, the ground shifts and

30:34the earth settles.

30:35>> No, from from that standpoint, um, there

30:37are as included in the restrictions,

30:41there are also environmental controls.

30:42There is regular testing that has to

30:44occur so that those things are monitored

30:46long-term in peruity uh so that you can

30:50monitor the results of the groundwater

30:52uh things like that so you can figure

30:53out um if a problem is happening

30:56subsurface [snorts]

30:57um and then respond accordingly.

30:59>> Okay. Thank you very much.

31:00>> Okay.

31:00>> Thank you.

31:01>> Any other further questions? [snorts]

31:04Okay. Seeing none. Again, thank you sir.

31:07>> Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Okay.

31:08>> If I may approach, I have a USB uh

31:11connector in there.

31:12>> Yeah.

31:13>> You got to shut this down first. Can you

31:15Can you save it to the

31:16>> um You don't have to shut it down. You

31:18just have to pull up.

31:19>> Just pull it. Yeah. The top.

31:21>> Did you save it on the desktop for

31:22Donna?

31:22>> Thank you. Yes, it's on the desktop.

31:24>> Okay. Thank you.

31:25>> Okay. Bring up [snorts] the next.

31:28>> Yeah. Just

31:29>> Okay.

31:30>> What other things?

31:31>> Yes.

31:32>> Are we going to get a copy of this?

31:33>> Yeah.

31:34>> Yeah. It's going to uh sir you you're

31:37giving us we have it on the desk.

31:40>> Yeah, it's on the desktop. That's what

31:41he just said.

31:41>> It will be able for our administrative

31:44assistant

31:45>> to receive it.

31:46>> So, will you follow up with that,

31:48Director Cummings? No problem.

31:49>> I appreciate it. Thank you.

31:51>> I'll send the presentation and the

31:52following questions.

31:53>> Yeah. Okay. We'll include that within

31:55the minutes of the meeting.

31:56>> Sounds great.

31:57>> Again, thank you.

31:59>> Okay.

31:59>> That's why he put it on the desktop, Mr.

32:01Chairman.

32:02>> Yeah. Okay.

32:03>> All right.

32:04[snorts]

32:05Now we're going to get into

32:08communications.

32:10>> Um

32:13we have a communication from

32:16um

32:18>> Wayne Husband.

32:18>> Wayne Husband, senior traffic engineer

32:21um for the division of public works

32:22support of pending legislation

32:26[snorts]

32:26>> of uh 026-24.

32:29There being no objection, I will accept

32:32the communication and place it on file.

32:35Now, we're getting into unfinished

32:37business. What's before us this evening?

32:40>> Um, we have 026-024

32:43authorizing additional stop signs to

32:45make an all-way stop at the intersection

32:47of French Street and Abbott Street.

32:49Would you like me to make the motion?

32:50>> Yes. Will you please make the motion?

32:52>> I'd like to make the motion to recommend

32:53final passage.

32:55>> Okay. And uh this is the prime sponsor

32:58is Alderman Clay. Alderman Clay, give

33:01you an opportunity to explain.

33:02>> Thank you. Um this this um particular

33:06area as you can see, French Street goes

33:08alongside Mount Pleasant and Abbott

33:11Street is right behind Mount Pleasant.

33:13Um there are a lot of uh children

33:15walking through this and currently

33:17there's actually one stop sign that's

33:19there but going through and trying to

33:22find the legislation that created that

33:24stop sign. It doesn't seem to exist. Um

33:26so to fix that, this legislation not

33:30only fixes that one stop sign that's

33:32there, but it also um allows for an all

33:35stop sign. Um, sadly, you would think

33:39that people on Abbott Street aren't

33:41going to be flying through because it's

33:42a very narrow street and it and it has

33:44some odd little turns because there is

33:47um drop up and parking behind behind the

33:50school, but there is a lot of um so a

33:53number of teachers had reached out to me

33:54as well as parents and asked if we

33:57couldn't uh put this hallway um stop

34:00sign in and um it did go through public

34:03works. U Mr. husband um looked at his so

34:06on and you saw his his documentation

34:08that he actually put in this as well. So

34:12I'm happy to answer any questions, but I

34:13don't think that this is really

34:15controversial.

34:16[snorts]

34:16>> All right. Thank you, Alderman Greg.

34:18>> Um thank you, Mr. Chair. I don't have

34:20any questions, but I will say that I've

34:22been in that area frequently and

34:25[snorts] almost got buzzed by a car once

34:27trying to walk across the street there.

34:28So, I think this is actually um a really

34:30good addition to that area because um

34:33people do fly through there and just

34:35with all of the foot traffic, it's a

34:36smart thing to uh make sure that our

34:38drivers are slowing down and stopping.

34:41>> Okay, very [snorts] good. We are graced

34:44this evening with

34:47Engineer Hudson. Do you have anything of

34:50value for us? I like you. [laughter]

34:54Outstanding. Okay,

34:56>> Mr. Chairman. Uh, all right. Any other f

35:00further questions?

35:02>> Uh, do you have a question on your own?

35:04>> No, I just I wanted to add another

35:06comment. Um, prior to me putting this

35:09legislation in, um, a couple of those

35:11that were affiliated with the school and

35:14I as well as director um, Sullivan

35:18walked around this area to to look at a

35:20number of things that needed to get done

35:22and this one bubbled to the top more.

35:24There are two or three more items that

35:26may come forward, but this was the um

35:29the primary one that there were some

35:30concerns about. So, I just want to let

35:32you know that uh Director Sullivan also

35:34had a hand in this, too. So, thank you.

35:37>> Okay. Very good. [snorts]

35:39All right. Any other further questions?

35:41Okay. Seeing none, I'll call for the

35:43vote. All those in favor signify by

35:46saying I. Oppos.

35:48>> Motion carries.

35:51New business resolutions.

35:54>> None.

35:56>> New business ordinances.

35:58>> None.

35:59>> And petitions.

36:01>> I would like to make a motion to

36:03recommend granting the petition for

36:05street acceptance on Juliana Avenue.

36:08>> All righty. Uh

36:11you we're not going to see much, but uh

36:14can we move this up to Gley Park area?

36:18And I'm going to give the opportunity to

36:22uh

36:22>> just go up Conquered Street.

36:23>> Yeah, just go up Conquered Street. Yeah.

36:25>> Yeah. Yeah.

36:26>> Pass air. There we go.

36:28>> Yeah. Uh

36:29>> I was like, "Oh, it's actually

36:30>> Attorney Pearlman, do you want another

36:32stab at the mic?"

36:33>> Okay.

36:34>> Deduce.

36:35>> Go up, Bartlett.

36:37>> A little bit further.

36:37>> Bartlett is No, down.

36:39>> Bartlett isn't right to your left yet.

36:41>> Yeah.

36:41>> Go all the way to the end.

36:42>> The end. Yeah. Y right there. All right.

36:44>> Yep. That's where Julian is.

36:46>> Nice.

36:48Well, Mr. Chairman, um, members, uh,

36:51you'll be happy to know that council

36:52really doesn't have a lot to add at this

36:54point.

36:56>> It's pretty straightforward, uh,

36:57petition.

36:58>> Thank you.

36:59>> Okay,

37:00>> great.

37:00>> Very good.

37:02Uh,

37:04any other further questions? Alderman

37:06Clay.

37:07>> Um, not so much a question. This is my

37:10ward. Um, as you can tell, it's right up

37:11the street from the one I just had. Um

37:13the the um the benefits to the residents

37:17there is that now there's city trash as

37:19well as if I'm please if I'm not

37:22speaking properly Mr. Johnson correct me

37:24as well as um there's trash pickup and

37:27then the cities will be plowing the

37:28streets. It also allows the opportunity

37:31of those neighbors who live in the area

37:34because it's no longer a private road.

37:37They can walk through that area. Um,

37:40it's there's not an opening to Gley

37:42Park, but those who who live on Bartlett

37:44or or so on and so forth. So, it kind of

37:47adds to them. It it helps those that

37:49live in that area, but it also adds to

37:50the benefit of those that live outside.

37:53Um, and I I think it's a um a good step

37:56for us to do. Thank you.

37:57>> Great.

37:58>> Okay. Seeing no other further questions,

38:00I'll call for the vote. All those in

38:03favor signify by saying I.

38:06>> Oppos.

38:08Motion carries.

38:10>> You're welcome, Mr. Pruninger. Uh,

38:15[laughter]

38:16>> did I say I'm sorry?

38:18>> He's gone. [laughter]

38:19>> Just keep going. Thank you.

38:23>> It's been a long day. [laughter]

38:26>> Byebye.

38:26>> Thank uh table and committee. Nobody

38:30announced anything pending that uh

38:32remove anything from the table. So,

38:34we'll skip right over to general

38:37discussion. Anybody have anything else

38:40they want to repine to?

38:42>> No.

38:43>> Okay. I would just like to take myself

38:46my personal opinion, but

38:50I was always fearful that nobody was got

38:53to touch with a 10-ft pole of Mohawk

38:57tannery property.

39:00We are very fortunate that this private

39:02developer has come in and has

39:06mitigated the site doing it properly by

39:10federal EPA guidelines and everything

39:12else like that.

39:14I remember when I was fighting those

39:16fires, we had no clue that I know of of

39:22who the exact owner was and where his

39:25whereabouts were. And that all has

39:28seemed to be resolved. So this

39:31particularly for our good friends who

39:32live in the little Florida area who had

39:35put up with that its vacancy, they put

39:39up with it when it was an operational

39:41plant. This is a a nice step in the

39:44right direction. And again, the city

39:47reaped the benefit of affordable

39:49housing, which is I know it's a goal for

39:52all of us.

39:53>> Alderman Cle.

39:54>> Thank you. I I'm glad you brought that

39:55up. Uh Mr. chairman because I did go to

39:57many of those meetings. Um, and there

39:59was a lot of give and take and these

40:01developers have been incredible and

40:03listening to the the neighbors and so

40:06on. Um, there was originally a lot of

40:08discussion about transporting the

40:11material off the property, which would

40:13have been a nightmare. All of that toxic

40:15waste would have been coming through our

40:16city streets and through little Florida

40:18and so on. um this containment. Um to um

40:22add to uh um information for those that

40:25haven't been here, these containments

40:26have these very incredible um

40:30non-permeable um devices. They they're

40:34these poles, so to speak. I'm just I

40:37know I'm I'm saying it wrong, that are

40:38so close together and they lock in um

40:41that the material cannot um get and

40:43they're very very deep and thick, much

40:46better than it is. And then the cap that

40:47will go on it. It was absolutely

40:49amazing. As he said that they would just

40:50be putting a temporary cap on while

40:52they're working on it and so on. They

40:54they moved all the stuff from the fimble

40:56doors to to this area. The neighbors

40:59were very they wanted something done,

41:02but they also did not want this toxic

41:05waste coming through their property. and

41:07and I think that um you know Bllelock um

41:11the two individuals that are are part of

41:13that listened and talked to the people

41:16and um those that live in the area are

41:18very pleased with what what's being

41:21done. So I agree with you u Mr. Chairman

41:24to your to your comments about it's nice

41:26to see this be developed. It's one of

41:28one of the largest pieces of undeveloped

41:31land. Um, and to your answer, the um the

41:34person who owns the property is passed.

41:38Um, and this property was sitting there

41:40with no taxes being paid. They had to

41:42search for the family and so on. It

41:44became quite quite the um an issue. Um,

41:48but Blac and um, Director Cummings and

41:51Director Sullivan have done such a

41:53phenomenal job in trying to get what's

41:55best for the city as well as what's good

41:57for them. So, thank you.

41:59Uh, Alderman Johnson.

42:01>> Thank you. I'm sure you remember

42:03Alderman O'Brien. Probably you. Alderman

42:06Dow, the smell that was used to go after

42:09off the eggs.

42:10>> It was a pleasant aroma.

42:11>> No, no, but I remember when I was on the

42:14board, when I first got on the board as

42:15an alderman at large, I would attend

42:17those um meetings, neighborhood

42:20meetings. We had the EPA, we had them

42:22here. I was on the phone with them

42:24constantly. And then it was asked maybe

42:26if the Fed wouldn't do it, could the

42:28city do it? and I said, "No, that you

42:30don't want the city to do it because of

42:32the liability factor. Let the feds come

42:35in and clean it up." And then nothing

42:37really developed. Um, I'm not crazy

42:39about this big project. I think, you

42:42know, me, it's a big project. I would

42:44like to have seen a smaller project

42:45there, probably more open land, but I'm

42:48glad it's finally getting cleaned up and

42:51that the toxins aren't going to be

42:53airborne anymore. They're going to be

42:55contained. And also the the lagoon over

42:59there. I mean I and I remember when that

43:01water would flood over there when the

43:03heavy rains came and the ramp fakes at

43:06six would be washed out and then you got

43:08the smell. I mean, what more could you

43:10ask for in the morning, you know, when

43:12you're going there,

43:13>> wake up,

43:14>> you know, and I would take my son to my

43:17oldest son to the preschool there, um,

43:19Shalom preschool, and so you get the

43:21that smell in the morning, you know, but

43:25I'm glad that we're cleaning this up so

43:27it becomes a safe area.

43:29>> So,

43:29>> that was back when the Nashville River

43:31would [clears throat] change colors

43:32occasionally with the printing company

43:35in Pero, I think, you know.

43:37>> Yeah. Yeah.

43:38>> So glad those days are over, huh?

43:42>> Better days.

43:43>> Better days. Yes, indeedy.

43:46>> Uh, I'm going to combine this without

43:48objection to remarks by alderman if

43:51anybody got anything else that they

43:53want. Okay, I'll open it up to public

43:55comment. Seeing nobody here, I'll close

43:59public comment. And so now we're on to

44:03adjournment. Uh, all in doubt,

44:06>> like to make a motion to adjurnn.

44:09>> Okay. Uh, all those in favor to adjourn

44:12signify by saying I. I.

44:15>> Opposed.

44:16>> Motion carries. And we're adjourned at

44:187:44.

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