2026-10-29 - Homeless Services Gap Analysis Committee

00:32You guys like the light on or off?

00:37I guess care if the light's on or off.

00:39>> Oh.

00:39>> Oh.

00:40>> I like the light on, I thought.

00:44>> My eyes are too old for

00:45>> It's official.

00:46>> Yeah.

00:46>> Are you able to hear us?

00:47>> Yeah, some people don't like it cuz it's

00:49in the way.

00:50>> It's like under the counter light.

00:52>> It's mood lighting.

00:53>> It is, yeah.

00:54Oh, yeah, you're right. I should make

00:55sure

00:57Yeah, I'm not

00:58>> I'm excited it's convenient.

01:00>> Oh, finally.

01:02All right.

01:03So, I want to

01:05go ahead and call our meeting to order.

01:09I am not the chair,

01:11but we will take care of that.

01:13I'm Bobby Bagley, division director for

01:16the city of Nashua's Division of Public

01:18Health and Community Services,

01:19and I want to welcome everyone to our

01:23gap analysis committee meeting. This is

01:25our first meeting.

01:27Uh you do have the agenda before you.

01:30What I'll do is I will go ahead and act

01:33as if I'm the chair for this first

01:34meeting until we do our election.

01:36So, we our the meeting has been called

01:39to order already at 1:01 p.m.

01:42on this October 29th, and we're in the

01:45automatic chamber.

01:47The

01:48um

01:49agenda will go We'll do our committee

01:51roll call. We'll review the purpose of

01:53the gap analysis committee.

01:55We will also have some responsibilities

01:58of voting for committee chair, discuss

02:00if we want to have a co-chair, and then

02:03set up our meeting schedule, and that

02:04will pretty much be our meeting for

02:05today.

02:07And so, I will go ahead and do our roll

02:11call for committee members.

02:15Alicia Craig?

02:16>> Here.

02:19>> Tonya I'm I'm looking at these names are

02:20going to throw me off cuz these names

02:22are in front of the things. Tonya

02:23Nicely?

02:24>> Here.

02:25>> Uh Latonya Musiol?

02:27>> Here.

02:29>> Alderman Lopez?

02:30>> I'm here.

02:32>> Jane Goodman?

02:33>> Here.

02:34>> And Megan Karen?

02:35>> Here.

02:35>> And Bobby Bagley, I'm here as well.

02:38Everyone's here. Okay.

02:40So, we'll just uh review the purpose of

02:42the gap analysis committee.

02:44This is um

02:46a committee that has been outlined in

02:48the resolution, and the purpose of this

02:50committee is to conduct the

02:51comprehensive gap analysis of our

02:53current homeless services system.

02:56This committee will identify gaps and

02:58unmet needs in our emergency shelters,

03:01as well as mental health and substance

03:03use services,

03:05housing pathways, and street outreach.

03:08In addition, we will assess

03:09opportunities to strengthen coordination

03:11of our city's departments and nonprofit

03:14service providers.

03:16The committee will draw on

03:17evidence-based practices from other

03:19municipalities to inform our

03:21recommendations.

03:23We'll produce a formal document of

03:25recommendations to strengthen our

03:27homeless services responses, and we have

03:3090 days to get that work completed.

03:33Okay?

03:34>> May I ask a question?

03:36>> Yep.

03:37>> Maybe it's the same one. Um

03:39is it 90 days from when we did the

03:40ordinance, or 90 days from today?

03:41>> It will be 90 days from today.

03:44>> Okay.

03:44>> Thank you. That was my question, Tom.

03:46>> Same brain.

03:47>> All right.

03:48>> Clock starts.

03:49>> Yes.

03:51Okay, any questions

03:53uh or any additional comments needed for

03:58clear understanding of the purpose of of

04:00gap analysis.

04:03>> Mhm.

04:05Not the purpose, just the um

04:07execution. Um

04:09will we

04:10be planning to have public comment and

04:13do we want to record this and stream it

04:15or just have it

04:17non-verbatim?

04:19There usually you can either have

04:20minutes done verbatim and then record it

04:23and put it up on YouTube or we can have

04:26just someone taking informal notes and

04:28decisions are recorded.

04:30>> It is as far as I know it is being

04:31recorded and transcribed for people that

04:34can't come during the day. So, I think

04:35we will have um

04:37certainly designated times I would

04:39imagine. Of course, it's up to the

04:40entire committee to have public comment,

04:42but I think that's part of it. It's

04:43bringing the community in.

04:44>> Okay.

04:45>> And may I ask one other question related

04:47to that? Um

04:49this room, no offense, is not very cozy.

04:51It's hard to um have a working

04:53discussion. Is that but we have to do it

04:55in the Aldermanic Chamber? Is that

04:59>> So, I mean, it's up to the committee and

05:01we can have discussions on that. I do

05:03believe

05:04being here

05:05gives us a couple of benefits. Um the

05:07recording

05:09for one.

05:10Um and it it does allow for us to have

05:14public

05:15comment

05:16here as well. Um and so we thought this

05:20might be the best venue for our

05:23committee meetings, but again this is

05:24open discussion for the committee

05:26itself.

05:27>> Okay.

05:29>> I didn't know we had a phone in here.

05:32>> I think it's in the office.

05:35>> Any other discussion around the question

05:38um that Jane has just posed as far as

05:40where we meet?

05:43Alderman Lopez.

05:44>> Um yeah, I'm sorry. By By habit, I'm

05:46used to being called on. Um just um

05:50to review potential options um on the

05:52criteria you mentioned. We could have it

05:54upstairs where the Continuum meets.

05:56That's an even bigger room, but if

05:57you're on the stage it's smaller. Um we

06:00could have it in the conference room

06:01over here that is wired for video and

06:04and recording and stuff, but it's more

06:05complicated for city staff. Plus, if you

06:07have public comment, they're essentially

06:09sitting behind members, so that might be

06:11confusing. Um and then you could do it

06:13at the public health uh

06:15department where Board of Health meets,

06:17or even in the library room, but you

06:19might run into the same situation where

06:21this is oriented in a way that we can

06:22talk with each other, and then the

06:24public can observe, and then when we do

06:26public comment, they come right up to

06:27the mic. So, it's kind of wired better,

06:30I think.

06:31But, I just wanted to review some of the

06:32options.

06:34It's not out of character to have a

06:36smaller group meeting, though, cuz if

06:37you ever go to the Human Affairs

06:39Committee or Personnel like any of the

06:40committee meetings, most of them only

06:42have like four or five people on it, so

06:44you might have one person on one side.

06:48>> Well, if I can um interject with one

06:50idea, this room doesn't feel very cozy

06:53right now. It feels, but as we bring in

06:55um our partners and stuff to come in and

06:57talk about, you know, their spot, this

06:59will fill in, I think, pretty quickly.

07:01So, yeah.

07:02>> I just it In it's empty during the day.

07:04So, that's just one other thought for

07:07thought to think about. That doesn't

07:08make sense, but anyway, you know what

07:10I'm saying.

07:11>> No, I'm I'm

07:12perfectly fine with it, but again, it's

07:14just that distance like yeah, across the

07:17way. I'm not used to having that, but

07:19I'll um accommodate.

07:22>> Any other um comments? Tonya? Botonya?

07:27Megan?

07:28On the meeting space?

07:30>> No, wherever you would like, I will go.

07:33>> So, it's it's wherever we would like, we

07:35will go.

07:36>> Yeah, if there's a [laughter] change in

07:37flow, I'll flow.

07:40>> I I do have a comment. I think

07:42um

07:43if I'm

07:45remembering correctly, upstairs in the

07:46third uh

07:48in the city hall auditorium, I think if

07:50we had the committee members on

07:53on the stage, and then if there were,

07:56you know, outside um

07:58entities coming to share their work,

08:00they we could set up a mic there. Um and

08:03then

08:04we do have the accommodations for

08:07public comment. I mean, you can make

08:08public comment anywhere, but it might be

08:10a a little easier in that space. So,

08:12that's just another consideration to do.

08:14It is it's we're closer together on the

08:16stage, but

08:18>> Yeah, just maybe that proximity.

08:21>> Just an observation. Um

08:24if you sat there, it's more cozy.

08:26>> [laughter]

08:28>> Latanya

08:29>> going to say I don't have a preference.

08:30I'm fine being in here.

08:32>> Okay.

08:32>> And we have people that are using the

08:34space now to attend so, I think that's

08:36good.

08:38>> And the reason why we have to finalize

08:40this is because once we post

08:42on the posting, it will identify where

08:44the meeting location will be and I would

08:46hope that we would have one location and

08:48we're not switching up with the posting

08:50cuz that'll confuse the public.

08:52>> Yeah.

08:52>> I will say

08:54in my previous experience working for

08:55the city,

08:57other people book conference spaces and

08:59I don't think a lot of people book this

09:00space. So, I would hate this space to be

09:03a barrier to having us meet.

09:04>> Sure.

09:05>> Okay.

09:07>> Okay, so what's the final decision?

09:09>> Do it here.

09:10>> Send it to the vice.

09:11>> So, we will meet here.

09:13Okay. All right. And

09:15the other

09:17um thing that we wanted to talk about is

09:19the timing. So, does this time work for

09:21everyone? So, we would be meeting on

09:22Thursdays at 1:00 p.m. here in the

09:25chamber.

09:26>> I looked at all my Thursdays. This is

09:27actually clear for me every week.

09:29>> I just need to check.

09:30>> I can make it clear where it's not.

09:34>> It'll be fine. I'll just move whatever

09:37if there happens to be something.

09:39>> Okay.

09:42All right. Any other questions about the

09:43meeting space?

09:46All right. The next agenda item is to

09:48vote for a committee chair and

09:52so, we can take some nominations for

09:53that.

10:01>> Does anybody want to do it?

10:04>> So,

10:06I would actually like to nominate Jane

10:07Goodman

10:08as the chair of the committee. So, um a

10:11sponsor of this resolution, I believe

10:12our findings um will carry the most

10:14weight if someone other than somebody

10:16who's usually sitting in this chamber

10:17does it. I think that um Jane brings

10:20brings exactly what the committee needs.

10:22I know that she's worked in public

10:23health, and she also works with one of

10:25our

10:26um partners. I think when we're looking

10:28at you know, parts of this like how the

10:30city is helping and taking our part, I

10:32think it helps and will carry more

10:34weight to have one of our partners as

10:35the chair of the committee.

10:38So, I'm proud to honor our proud to

10:40proud to nominate Jane Goodman as the

10:43chair.

10:45>> All right.

10:46Any other nominations or any other

10:47discussion on that nominee?

10:54All right. Any seconds on the nominee?

10:56>> I'll second it.

10:57I had the same idea independently, so I

11:00didn't actually ask Jane though, so I

11:02felt like I shouldn't do it without

11:03asking.

11:04>> All right. So, Jane, you've been

11:05nominated to be the um the chair of the

11:07committee and a second. Are you willing

11:10to accept that nomination?

11:12>> I'm willing to accept the nomination.

11:14>> All right. So, all in favor of Jane

11:16Goodman as a chair for our gap analysis

11:18committee, say I.

11:19>> I.

11:20>> I.

11:21>> Any opposed?

11:23Okay. So moved. I like saying that. So

11:26moved. All right.

11:27>> to say that next week?

11:30>> So, as the chair, you facilitate. Yes.

11:33>> Okay.

11:34>> Um and I guess

11:35>> taking notes.

11:36>> And I guess I guess I have another

11:37question. So, there's Robert's Rules of

11:39Order. There's a way that our aldermanic

11:42uh committee runs our runs committee

11:45meetings. Are these meetings to be run

11:47in that same fashion?

11:50>> Um I don't think it's prescribed that

11:52way.

11:53>> I would stick with Mason's because most

11:55of the subcommittees and committees of

11:56the alderman do it that way. Um I do

11:58think the um Board of Education does

12:00Robert's, but you can see one of the

12:02main differences that I've noticed is

12:05they always need a second for everything

12:06or it's a non-starter. With a small

12:07group, you won't always get that.

12:09>> Okay.

12:10>> Jane can speed run through some of the

12:12administrative things by saying without

12:14objection we accept communication if we

12:15have to do those things. So,

12:17I would say use Mason's and then if

12:20Jane, if you feel like you need coaching

12:21or anything Alicia and I are here, you

12:22know.

12:23>> So, can you please send us out Mason's

12:25so that we are all on the same page with

12:28Mason's? And is it Mason's rule of order

12:30just like how it is with Robert's Rules

12:32of Order?

12:33>> Cuz I'm used to Robert's Rules.

12:34>> I know, me too.

12:35>> Don't need all of this thing. You can

12:36use that.

12:37>> [laughter]

12:38>> Also, we all have that?

12:39>> It's not like

12:40>> Is there something online that we can

12:41take a look at?

12:42>> Yes.

12:42>> We can create a cheat sheet.

12:44>> Okay. So, we're going to ask So, as one

12:47of the committee members I'm going to

12:48ask that you guys create for those that

12:51usually work as a part of the automatic

12:54meeting processes, if you could create a

12:57cheat sheet for us so that we can follow

12:59Mason's rules while we're doing our

13:01committee meetings.

13:02>> Uh without necessarily volunteering her

13:04outside of my authority, we could also

13:06ask Donna to create a script which gives

13:08you that.

13:09>> Okay.

13:09>> And then it basically does the

13:12logistical like

13:14things you have to say.

13:15>> Yeah.

13:15>> But it doesn't it doesn't script what

13:16we're going to say or like who's going

13:18to vote for what or anything like that.

13:20>> Right. We just would like to be

13:21consistent.

13:22>> Okay.

13:22>> All right. So, Jane you're going to get

13:24the cheat sheet. We're all going to get

13:25that so we can read it so that we're all

13:27able to meet accordingly. Okay. So, now

13:30the other thing that we have on the

13:31agenda is to discuss whether or not we

13:33want to have a co-chair.

13:39Yes, Tonya.

13:40>> I just have a comment for that and

13:42because I'm the least experienced person

13:44here especially with things like this.

13:47If there's an opportunity to learn, I

13:49would like to have it and if Jane is

13:51willing I would like to be the co-chair

13:53and I can be available when you're

13:55available if that makes sense.

13:58>> Okay.

13:59Other discussion.

14:01>> I would just point out to Tonya. If

14:03you're the co-chair, that also means if

14:05there's a situation where Jane can't

14:07attend the meeting

14:07>> Mhm.

14:08>> then you have to be ready to do it. It

14:10doesn't mean you can't grab somebody and

14:11say can you help me with doing that, but

14:14you want to be ready.

14:16>> Oh, no, like co-chairing. Meaning

14:18>> Well, I like I understand that you're

14:20learning from the

14:21professionals, so I would be able to do

14:23it when it came time to. Okay. If Yeah.

14:29>> I I haven't really thought about any of

14:30like chair coach or much of this, so I

14:33need to digest this. I don't know um

14:37there are things about having a co-chair

14:39versus not. Um you know, we are under a

14:41time constraint, so sometimes having a

14:43co-chair creates a little bit more

14:45coordination issues. Um so, that's just

14:48off the top of my head regardless of who

14:50volunteers or wants to do it. It does

14:52often require even more coordination,

14:55and time is of the essence here. So, I

14:57just don't want to create a a committee

15:00that's going to get complicated. Um that

15:02being said,

15:04um

15:05>> Well, I was going to say if we're going

15:06to follow Mason's and stuff, we could

15:08have a clerk. And so, to help and sit up

15:11there that runs that kind of stuff, and

15:13I've I've done clerk for the alderman,

15:15so um that would be a fast thing, but I

15:17think all of us are going to be

15:20um

15:21helping Jane in the same way with all

15:23the different things, and we'll still

15:24you'll still be learning a lot of these

15:25things. So, I think there's still the

15:27opportunity to learn. Just the co-chair

15:29versus having like a clerk or something

15:31like that. It might make more sense to

15:32have a clerk who can run the time box

15:35and run the video and all that kind of

15:37stuff, so.

15:38>> So, I would say that I would like for us

15:41to structure this committee very similar

15:43to all the other committees that we

15:45have.

15:46And so, if it's the clerk instead of a

15:48co-chair, then I would change that from

15:50a co-chair to a clerk.

15:52Um and then I would nominate um Alicia

15:55to be the the clerk. And not not like

15:58any

15:59slight uh Tonya, but if there's

16:02quite a bit of responsibility that's in

16:04for that position, and we do have that

16:06time crunch cuz we're all going to be

16:08learning through this process. So, I

16:10appreciate the

16:12um your volunteering and wanting to step

16:14up to that. Um

16:16but if we have someone that's

16:17experienced running as the clerk, then I

16:19would like to make that nomination.

16:22And we can have discussion further

16:23discussion on that as well.

16:25>> So in addition to forming the clerk, we

16:27could form a vice chair, which doesn't

16:28necessarily sit up there and run things

16:30live, but she sit in where she is right

16:33now and it's pretty common in a ultimate

16:36committee, learn and then in the event

16:38that we need a backup chairperson, then

16:40the clerk is still there to help and

16:41support, but then we have a a backup

16:44chair. Yep. And that that does provide

16:46that sort of hierarchy that lets

16:48streamline communication. The clerk is

16:50or the chair is the chair. The vice

16:52chair is just, you know, there as a

16:53support.

16:56>> Other conversations or discussion?

16:58>> I I actually think that would I think

17:01that would be great. I think, you know,

17:02having um Tonya on here as a lived

17:06experience person is is a powerful

17:08position and I hope that it lets other

17:10people who have had this lived

17:12experience understand how important they

17:14are to this process.

17:15>> So I actually think that's an incredibly

17:17important role

17:18for Tonya.

17:19>> It's to show people that you guys give

17:21us an opportunity to learn and advance

17:23in our lives.

17:24>> All right.

17:25>> Okay.

17:26>> Yeah, I think that would actually is a

17:27really um that way um so if there is any

17:31prep or that we're not doing it all the

17:34time every week, but we're having that

17:37just and that'll be great.

17:38>> just so you

17:39>> Absolutely. I know you are.

17:42I've known you a long time, Tonya.

17:43>> [laughter]

17:44>> Okay.

17:45So

17:46it sounds like what we're what we will

17:48have is we will have a clerk

17:50um nomination of um

17:53Alicia Craig for our clerk and then

17:55we'll have a vice chair and we're

17:57nominating Tonya Nicely for the vice

17:59chair.

18:00Any other discussion on that? Tom?

18:03>> For protocol, we could just nominate

18:05them as a slate and then just vote all

18:06at once.

18:08>> Okay.

18:08>> So we don't have to do it twice. And it

18:10makes it easier. So I I just want to

18:12make that nomination by nominating yep,

18:14uh Alicia Greg as clerk and Tonya Nicely

18:17as vice chair.

18:19>> All right. Any other

18:21discussion on that?

18:23All in favor?

18:24>> I.

18:24>> I.

18:26All right, any opposed?

18:29All right, so moved. I like saying that.

18:32I need a gavel, so moved.

18:34>> [laughter]

18:34>> All right.

18:34>> At the end of the meeting, I'm just

18:35going to let you say so moved. That'll

18:37be like your line.

18:37>> I'm writing that down.

18:39>> Well, now now they're they're elected,

18:40they can just sit over there and do

18:41everything.

18:41>> Yes, so please take your positions.

18:45>> I'll change. I'm not going to move

18:46everything.

18:47>> All right, and so I'm going to turn this

18:50meeting over now to the chair, Jane

18:52Goodman,

18:53and our clerk. Now, where does our vice

18:55chair sit?

18:57>> She actually stays in her

18:58>> Okay. Vice chair.

19:00>> If she's not here, then she'll come up

19:01here.

19:02>> Okay.

19:03All right.

19:04>> You don't sit in that chair, that chair,

19:06or that chair and you're fine.

19:07>> All righty, so I'm turning it over and

19:09the last agenda item that we have on

19:11here, Jane, is for you to take us

19:13through a conversation on setting up a

19:15meeting schedule.

19:16>> Okay.

19:17>> Knowing that we have 90 days starting

19:19from today.

19:20>> So, what I think we should do, since

19:21this time does seem to work for

19:23everyone,

19:24um 1:00 p.m. on Thursdays, I will send

19:27out a a calendar invitation to everyone

19:30here, so that it's on your calendars. Um

19:33>> Oh, so okay, let me just I forgot one

19:35thing. So, um

19:38the administration of this committee

19:41will be done by public health, and so

19:43the person who'll be sending out the So,

19:45you'll So, Jane, you'll actually be

19:47working with

19:49um Jessica Connors, who is going to be

19:53our admin person, so she'll be taking

19:55our minutes, she'll be sending out the

19:58meeting notices, and she'll be and

20:00posting.

20:01Um and she'll be making sure that

20:02information goes out to the other

20:04partners and other folks that we want to

20:06come to the meeting, and so that will

20:07actually be done So, you'll be working

20:09with Jessica to do that.

20:10>> Sure. Oh, well, that's great. I have no

20:12help in my office, so this is like a

20:14luxury.

20:16So, thanks, Jess.

20:17>> And And another note, like while we're

20:19setting up the time, even though our

20:20first meeting will be next week, you

20:22don't have to have like the agenda right

20:24now. That can be just sent out like

20:27later on. You can like think about that

20:28for a minute how you're going to do

20:29that.

20:30>> Right. So, if we're Is everyone good

20:31though with the Thursday at 1:00 p.m.?

20:33It seems like a I know for me Thursdays

20:35are really a great time. I don't know

20:37why, don't tell anyone, but I don't have

20:39a lot of meetings on that day.

20:41Um and then we will have some little

20:43hiccups. We have Thanksgiving on the

20:45fourth Thursday of the month.

20:47Um we'll have the holidays. Um that'll

20:49be part of it. So, we'll either choose

20:51to reschedule those meetings, um perhaps

20:54for an alternate date, or I don't know

20:56that we'll Maybe those are meetings that

20:57we're able to skip because we'll be in

21:00the process of working and gathering

21:03data and um coming back and doing some

21:06discovery in between some of the

21:07meetings. So, I think it will be okay to

21:10not have like Thanksgiving and Christmas

21:13week or whatever. Um we still have

21:15plenty of Thursdays in there. And it's

21:18kind of a forced time also to allow us

21:20to come back to the group with what

21:22we've discovered, what we are bringing

21:24back.

21:25>> Bobby?

21:26>> Oh, after you finish.

21:27>> Oh, I'm done.

21:28>> Oh. So, I just my question is when we as

21:31we're setting up the meeting schedule to

21:32for the the cadence. And so, are we

21:35proposing that we meet weekly? And do we

21:37need to meet weekly? And are we going to

21:40meet weekly in person?

21:42I guess that's a lot of questions in my

21:43little one other question is will there

21:45be

21:46>> [laughter]

21:46>> Will there be meetings that we'll

21:48schedule that we'll do I guess probably

21:50not.

21:51>> Well, I think what we should do because

21:53meetings are so hard to plan

21:55is put this on everyone's calendar.

21:57And if we come to the end of a meeting

21:59and say, "We're good. We don't need to

22:01meet next week because we all have tasks

22:03to do that are going to take at least 2

22:05weeks." Then we take that meeting off

22:07the calendar. Is that an okay thing to

22:10do by the city committee? Because we do

22:12that often with our own board meetings.

22:14Sometimes we meet you know, every month,

22:16but if there's really no crucial

22:19business to discuss, then we skip that

22:21meeting. But I think we should do that

22:23on an as-needed basis.

22:26Um Alderman Lopez.

22:27>> Yep, I think that's very wise

22:29considering we're about to go into the

22:30holiday season and there is the 90-day

22:32time limit. It's going to come faster

22:33than we think it is and there's a lot of

22:36activity that we want to be able to

22:37identify the gaps for. So, it's

22:39important enough to to schedule it once

22:41a week and if, you know, when we do have

22:44those gaps because of Thanksgiving, for

22:46example,

22:48um

22:48it's not going to be because anyone's on

22:49vacation, it's because everyone's trying

22:51to do their primary role. You know, I

22:52know the superintendent is going to be,

22:54you know, run over for the whole week on

22:55either side of it. So,

22:57um I think we should definitely plan for

22:59weekly and then if we somehow run

23:01through the content and by, you know,

23:04December, then sure, but we're looking

23:06at November already as our primary work

23:08time and we're going to lose one of

23:10those weeks. So, I would say we can we

23:12should start with the plan to do weekly

23:14and then if we have to modify the plan,

23:16it's better to say less than more.

23:19And ultimately, if we do lose crucial

23:22time because of Thanksgiving and because

23:24of um the Christmas holiday,

23:27um we can always Can we ask for a like a

23:302-week extension or is that not

23:32something that we're allowed to do or

23:34does it have to be Because these things

23:36happen, right? Someone You lose time

23:38because of holidays and they may be

23:40critical working time.

23:42>> I don't think I think it would actually

23:44take an amendment because it's an actual

23:46ordinance. So, I think what we would

23:47have to do then is look at Say we miss

23:50Thanksgiving week, but we have a lot of

23:51work to do. We might have to look at

23:53Tuesday and Thursday or 2 days the next

23:55week. So, I think that's how we adjust

23:57and the the report's just due within the

23:5990 days. So, there were some people that

24:01would get to get it much quicker, but I

24:03think we have a big task ahead of us.

24:04So, it could be that we have to maybe

24:07double up those 2 weeks cuz we

24:09I'm the way that I understand it, we

24:10would have to have an amendment to the

24:12ordinance in order to change that

24:13timing.

24:14>> That's

24:16That's my first

24:17um

24:18inkling.

24:19Um I

24:21I can't recall if it says 90 days or 90

24:23business days. I think it's 90 days.

24:26>> 90 days.

24:26>> Okay. Okay.

24:28All right. So, and we can also carry on

24:30with who's here. For example, I'm just

24:32pulling up my calendar.

24:35Oh.

24:36It looks like the Christmas holiday is

24:39on a Thursday. How do we do that?

24:41Thanksgiving and Christmas.

24:43And I guess that happens every year. I'm

24:45just not really in tune to that.

24:46>> Yeah, check out New Year's, too.

24:47>> And New Year's. Okay, so

24:49>> we should definitely do it weekly to

24:50start.

24:51>> Um yeah, so let's do that weekly and as

24:54I mean maybe even next week if folks can

24:55come up um with an alternative for those

24:59weeks, if there's something that would

25:00work out for them better during those

25:03weekdays.

25:04So, if there's a Tuesday before the

25:06holiday that would work out, let's just

25:08kind of get that on our calendars.

25:11Bobby.

25:11>> So, if we make a change to the schedule,

25:14what that require? So, again, I'm I want

25:16to make sure that we're doing this the

25:17same way that we would run the regular

25:19Board of Aldermen meeting. So, then

25:21what's the process for that?

25:23>> I think we have a a duty be because of

25:2691A for a 24-hour.

25:28Um however, I think as soon as I think

25:30we would know the week before because

25:32all of us have busy schedules to plan.

25:34So, I think it would be

25:36at least one alderman is studied like a

25:37week in advance to be aware of it. So,

25:39but I think we would know at that point,

25:41you know, within that week. But RSA the

25:44specific RSA says that we have to do it

25:46within 24 hours. So, we have time.

25:48>> Okay.

25:51Jay.

25:52>> Alderman Lopez.

25:53>> Sorry, I just raised my hand. I didn't

25:55know if you

25:55>> to say so moved. I like to say Alderman

25:57Lopez.

25:57>> That's fair. And if anyone has a title,

25:59um but we do you have to get a sign on

26:02there. You'll forget everybody's title.

26:04Um but the um

26:06I will second what uh Alderman Greg had

26:08pointed out. I chair the Human Affairs

26:09Committee and we do move our sessions

26:11around when we have to, like when either

26:13a Budget Committee needs it or it for a

26:15while we were on Mondays and for some

26:17reason every holiday hit us on Mondays.

26:19So, um actually I think we are back to

26:21Mondays again. So, we can move it

26:22around. Um

26:24there is a city ordinance for the Board

26:26of Aldermen that we have to do it one

26:28week in advance, but that doesn't apply

26:30to all of the other things. So, I think

26:32we're pretty safe in saying we need at

26:33least 24 hours notice for an agenda. The

26:36calendar item we should do as you're

26:37suggesting and try to figure it out well

26:39enough in advance that we can do it

26:41because we also need to book the room.

26:46>> My understanding is that we actually

26:47don't need to post an agenda.

26:49We just need to post the notice of the

26:51meeting.

26:52>> Okay.

26:52>> Um

26:53>> Who?

26:54>> It

26:55I'm not sure what you're referring to,

26:57Alderman Lopez. I I I wonder if it's

27:00aldermanic meetings that need a week in

27:02advance, but because this isn't an

27:04aldermanic or committee

27:05>> let me just restate that cuz I might

27:07have done it clumsy. The aldermen, the

27:08Board of Aldermen has a resolution that

27:11says we'll we'll give a week's notice so

27:13that, you know, because we're

27:15legislating and we're voting on things.

27:17>> Sure. Right.

27:17>> Committees don't need to do that the

27:19same way unless they're voting on

27:20things. This isn't a legislative

27:21committee, so you don't [clears throat]

27:23necessarily have to post your agenda. I

27:25would say we should at least have the

27:27scheduled time that it's going to

27:28happen.

27:29>> Yes.

27:30Yep.

27:34>> You do need to put your minutes up.

27:35>> All right. So, I'm going to ask that um

27:39we send out meeting invitations for the

27:41Thursday time

27:43minus those Thanksgiving and Christmas

27:45ones cuz that's unrealistic

27:47and that everyone look to see if the

27:49Tuesday before those holidays works for

27:52them and you can just let us know next

27:54week and then we can schedule those

27:56meetings as well.

27:57Um

27:58and that way we're just kind of we know

28:00we're being cognizant of a holiday

28:02schedule. Um I know I'll be away between

28:06um

28:07whenever through New Year's. So, I will

28:09have one that I will have to miss and my

28:12vice chair will be taking over. So,

28:13that's great.

28:15So, uh we have time to plan for that. Um

28:18so, is everyone good with that?

28:21All right. So, I just have a question

28:23then for committee members. Um we're not

28:25really starting the work so much today,

28:28but

28:29um what is your vision for what what

28:31we're going to have at the end of this,

28:34um,

28:34besides a report. You know, what what

28:37are the burning things that you feel

28:39that we need to unearth without any

28:41preconceived notions of I mean, I have

28:44my ideas of services or subgroups and

28:47populations within the city that are

28:49missing services and that end up

28:52unhoused.

28:54But that being said, you all have your

28:55own vision as well. So, I'm just

28:58wondering at the end of at the end of 90

29:00days, what it what's on your vision

29:02board?

29:04Or how are you going to use it in your

29:06own work?

29:10Bobby.

29:10>> So, I hadn't envisioned that because

29:12that wasn't the purpose of the

29:15committee. So,

29:16I guess my brain was just focused on

29:19what's our purpose for the committee,

29:23um, and then at the end coming up with

29:24that report that addresses the things

29:27that are in the resolution.

29:28>> Mhm. But my question really is

29:30Yes.

29:31>> No, I'm going to

29:32>> Yeah.

29:32>> your question. You asked about what was

29:34my vision board. I don't I don't have

29:36one.

29:36>> And but maybe maybe you can come up with

29:38one because it's like, yes, here's the

29:40report, you know, Director Bagley.

29:42Here's Here's your report. Is that going

29:44to help you in any way to continue your

29:47work or LaTonya, has it going to

29:48continue to help you do your work? So,

29:51those are the kind of things I want us

29:52to have in mind because if we create

29:54something that's not going to help some

29:56of the providers within the city, then

29:58we failed. So, Tom. I mean, Alderman

30:02Lopez.

30:02>> Thank you. Um, a lot of the, um, debate

30:05around this committee and in fact the

30:07the part of it that, um, Alderman Greg

30:09[clears throat] and I had to navigate

30:10was,

30:11um,

30:12in my my opinion, is terminology,

30:15um, and then awareness. So, in the Human

30:18Affairs Committee, I pretty regularly

30:19try to bring in people to present so

30:21that there's not only awareness in the

30:23public of, say, what is public health

30:25doing regarding bed bugs, what are the

30:28the criteria or or things,

30:30but then also so that the aldermen who

30:32are approached by constituents also are

30:35educated on the matter and like formally

30:37done so. So, as Alderman, I would take

30:39from this committee information that's

30:41being brought here. I think it's going

30:42to inform my ability to represent

30:44people, to pass information on.

30:46If there is legislation that needs to be

30:47crafted, I think Alderman Greg and I

30:49will be working on that and I will have

30:50an understanding of where that's coming

30:52from and the ability to advocate for it

30:54based on what we discuss.

30:57And I think so that's the terminology

30:59and the presentation part. But I think

31:01also the idea of the gap I would very

31:04much like to see people who are able to

31:06talk about the gaps that are

31:08uncomfortable to talk about. An example

31:10being an individual who says

31:12Okay, I have nowhere to go during the

31:13day and then, you know, as an Alderman,

31:15I'm just like, oh, you could go to the

31:17the resource center, you can go to the,

31:20you know, the warming station here and

31:21whatever. And then that person's like, I

31:23am banned from both of those. So, there

31:26isn't somebody to navigate and

31:28one-on-one make a place for that. To my

31:30knowledge, that would be a gap. And this

31:32is hypothetical because having worked in

31:34the nonprofits, I think there is

31:36probably like, well, if you absolutely

31:38can't go to either fixed location, then

31:41maybe we connect you with a a case

31:44technician at public health and they get

31:47you into the senior center or Hearts or

31:49something. So, I think any problem can

31:51be solved, but just because I think that

31:53doesn't mean everybody knows that. So, I

31:56think that's partly where the gap

31:57analysis

31:59is helpful because we can identify the

32:01perceived gaps.

32:03>> Um Alderman Greg.

32:05>> Thank you. So, I think obviously I wrote

32:07the legislation, so I had something in

32:09mind, but I think for me there were a

32:11few parts of it. One, I want us to

32:13understand as a city like for the

32:15Alderman and city hall, how we can

32:19better partner. This is such a huge

32:20problem. It's worldwide and we have a

32:23lot of partners in this city. So,

32:25looking at having a really comprehensive

32:27analysis

32:28where we can see what everybody's doing

32:30and not just what our partners are

32:31doing, but how our police are

32:33interacting with this, how Humane

32:34Society is interacting. Like all these

32:37different pieces that come together, we

32:38need somebody looking over the whole

32:40thing saying, "How is this all working

32:42together?" Um not to manage, but to just

32:45understand it more. So, when we are

32:47passing laws, when we have, you know,

32:49legislated um

32:51motions on funding and stuff, we we're

32:53better educated on that and we have real

32:55data to look at that we can say, you

32:57know, at the end of the study, "This is

32:59what we found." Also, there are those

33:01gaps, you know, right off the bat I know

33:03our elderly and medically fragile, those

33:05are two gaps that that I can without,

33:08you know, speaking to more than five

33:09partners know that we have a bit of a

33:11situation there. And the other part that

33:14I think is probably the most important

33:15part that this committee can bring to

33:18the community and to City Hall is that

33:21remembering that, you know, when our

33:22taxpayers feel like we're using their

33:24tax dollars or um

33:26we're talking about numbers in this hall

33:28that we're not talking about numbers. We

33:29are talking about people for reasons

33:32that we don't know are in the situation

33:34that they're in and and many of us could

33:36be very close to that situation. And

33:38bringing that human element back into

33:40this so that we understand that yes, we

33:42are talking about other people's dollars

33:44and we are trying to keep people from

33:46being homeless, but we are talking about

33:48people when we do this and keeping that

33:50human element in. That's a high goal for

33:52mine.

33:56>> Can I ask a question?

33:57>> Yes, hi Megan.

33:58>> It's actually um

33:59to the author of the uh legislation

34:02because as I'm reading it um

34:04number four is to produce formal

34:07recommendations to strengthen the city's

34:09homeless services response.

34:11>> Yes.

34:12>> And so, your definition of city

34:14>> Mhm.

34:15>> is it

34:16city with a capital C, so City Hall or

34:19the community?

34:20>> I think it's more like

34:23my definition was more City Hall as far

34:25as working with the partners as far as

34:27legislation or funding or that kind of

34:29>> Okay, I just wanted to clarify. Thank

34:31you, that's helpful.

34:32>> That is a good clarification.

34:34>> I just want to observe I read something

34:36that could be just before I was an

34:38alderman where Mayor Lozeau

34:40noted in a comment where I said the city

34:43needs to do more and I think of the city

34:46as a community but the city is also an

34:48entity and organization.

34:49So, it is worth saying which one are we

34:52focusing on here.

34:53>> True.

34:54And it could be both. That could switch.

34:55I mean, I guess that's up for

34:56interpretation.

34:57>> Right. I certainly don't have all the

34:59answers.

34:59>> Because the recommendation is to the

35:01board and the alderman.

35:02>> Yeah.

35:03>> There's a lot of nuance there. So, what

35:04but I just wanted to make sure that

35:07you know, I think many of us in the room

35:12this can go in circles for forever and I

35:14think that's why we're here, right? To

35:16try to

35:17get us on a a straight path.

35:19Um, so I just wanted to to clarify that

35:22before moving forward. So, thank you.

35:23That was that's helpful.

35:25Right. Thank you, Tonya.

35:26>> Hi. I

35:27Where is she getting that question from?

35:29Is there like a a secret bylaws that we

35:31didn't

35:32>> No, the resolution.

35:33>> It's in the resolution.

35:35So, I pulled it up on my phone.

35:37>> Yeah.

35:37>> So, I'm sorry. I should have brought a

35:39copy of the resolution. I put it in the

35:41email that was sent out

35:43>> Oh, okay.

35:44>> um, for folks and so Oh, sorry. Jane?

35:47May I speak?

35:49>> [laughter]

35:49>> Director Bagley, you have the floor.

35:52So, yeah. So, um, we'll make sure that

35:55that gets sent out. So, Tonya, it's it's

35:57from it's straight from the resolution

35:58and then the part that I read um, was

36:02also from the resolution just not

36:03numbered.

36:04>> Okay.

36:05>> Yeah.

36:05>> Um

36:05>> And then

36:07>> Sorry. Um, I don't want to cut you off.

36:08I just wanted to follow up.

36:10>> No, I was just going to share my

36:11bright-eyed and bushy-tailed like gold

36:13beacon.

36:15>> No, he's already shared his comment.

36:16>> Yeah, go ahead. Come on, Tonya.

36:18>> Um

36:19I'm coming from a position where

36:23I have

36:24been homeless, volunteered at shelters,

36:28and um, have been a a part of some of

36:31the committees that some of you are from

36:35to help alleviate homelessness. And one

36:40of the things that um, I know would be

36:44my big goal would be for not only to

36:48have a basis of a resource center where

36:52we're not, you know, referring people

36:54out where we would where we would

36:56actually be able to sit someone down,

36:57help them go ahead and fill out the

37:00paperwork for whatever it was, you know,

37:02in that comfortable environment where

37:04they don't have to, you know, go to to

37:06other agencies and also be able to

37:10provide just overnight emergency shelter

37:13and some transitional housing.

37:16And I Yeah, that would be my bright

37:18bright idea. And also just for

37:22um hopefully saving some time. We had a

37:25um email with a lot of questions on it

37:28and that will help with our gap

37:31analysis. And I know that I've been with

37:33the Granite State Organizing Project and

37:35we have been taking information from all

37:38of the HMIS already and from the pit

37:42counts. And I do have a tiny little bit

37:46of data if everybody would like some on

37:49the amount of um shelter beds and other

37:51things just in one spot cuz I know

37:53>> what we'll do is gather that all in one

37:55spot. So, if that's

37:57we'll talk about that next steps of like

37:59what if you do have things that we're

38:01getting it all sent in one spot and then

38:03it gets sent out all together or those

38:05may be

38:07um those pieces

38:08I mean, that's a good segue, but let's

38:10let's go back.

38:11>> And we only have a short amount of time.

38:13>> short amount of time, but we also have

38:15to go in a process. So, I ideally we

38:18were

38:19not trying to get to the solution right

38:21now.

38:22But we are trying to get to the vision

38:25we have to what how is that going to

38:26help how is it going to help you?

38:28>> would be the questions that LaTonya put

38:31>> Oh, yes.

38:32>> in the email that said we needed base

38:34counts. These are the base counts. I

38:36went through the email and answered

38:38those questions from said HMIS and pit

38:41counts. I just wanted to

38:43save us time.

38:44>> So, so if you could submit that, Tonya,

38:47to um

38:48to Jess, right? And then we can get it

38:51out to everybody before the next

38:53meeting. So, thank you.

38:54>> You're welcome. I'm like, no, let's not

38:56Again, because of all those groups

38:58>> understand and a lot of

39:00us

39:01>> A lot of us have a lot of access to

39:03different data, so that might be our

39:05action item

39:06right now for next week to get some of

39:09whatever

39:11collated data you have in a format, get

39:15it over to Jess, so that then we can

39:18send it out before the next meeting, and

39:20we can start really in our next meeting

39:23kind of looking at that, and then where

39:25do we ask those next questions? So, what

39:27do we have that will show us, and then

39:29we can go to what do we need? What else

39:31do we need to discover? How does that

39:33sound for folks? So, any data that you

39:35may have, any reports, I know we run our

39:38own HMIS.

39:40Everyone has their own kind of we can

39:42get the HIC from um Harbor Care.

39:46I think we have Was that in your

39:48questions? I saw all your questions.

39:50>> Yeah, it looks like Tonya has it right

39:51here.

39:52>> Okay, so great job.

39:53>> Um as a point of clarification, the HIC

39:56is the Housing Inventory Chart. Just

39:58because we are probably going to be

40:00showing this to the public, I will

40:02constantly try to get acronyms

40:03un-acronymed.

40:05>> Yes, and I think to your point, Tom, I

40:06appreciate Altman Lopez, I appreciate

40:08that because um one thing I wrote down

40:11right away is the whole terminology. I

40:13know I give my own board a glossary of

40:14terms. So, I think we'd be doing a big

40:17service to anyone that reads this report

40:19is having that glossary of terms, the

40:21acronyms, the things we talk about. Um I

40:24used to joke with Bobby, you know, I had

40:26a whole set of acronyms at Public

40:28Health, and I had to learn a whole new

40:29set when I went into housing and and

40:31food insecurity. So, um I think that's

40:34like a great point, um and to start

40:36pulling some of that um together. Um in

40:40fact, maybe those two things

40:42um folks could do

40:44um this week so that Jess can send them

40:47out is any kind of um

40:50terminology that you think you use

40:53consistently that you're assuming

40:55everyone knows, just jot them down and

40:57maybe bring them for next week so we

40:59make sure that our glossary is full. So

41:01again, HIC,

41:03um we should have that in our

41:06in our glossary.

41:08As well as HMIS and PIT and all of those

41:12fun terms, but

41:17>> I don't think the time is going to allow

41:19>> Um

41:19>> Alderman Ravan.

41:20>> Alderman Ravan.

41:22>> Thank you.

41:23Um

41:24I I very much agree with Alderman Greg

41:28that this this

41:31committee's primary purpose is to talk

41:34about people

41:35and the and the effect that our gap

41:39analysis will will affect the people

41:42that are in need. I I agree with that.

41:46But

41:47also

41:49the policy makers that we're that this

41:52gap analysis is is going to be used by

41:55are going to be are going to be making

41:57their decision based on hard data.

42:01That is numbers.

42:03Those numbers are connected to people

42:05and I understand that and I and I

42:07understand that they are first and

42:09foremost what we're doing.

42:11But I would I would urge the committee

42:14to understand that every

42:20every item of the report that we produce

42:23as a committee needs to be based in hard

42:26data.

42:27In other words, it's

42:29words like some do not allow the the

42:33policy makers that we want to influence

42:36to actually make an informed decision.

42:40So I would urge everyone to base their

42:43their final conclusions based on hard

42:46data and to put that in the report,

42:48please, because it will help the Board

42:50of Aldermen and the city as well

42:53make informed decisions. Thank you.

42:58>> Alderman Lopez.

42:59>> So there's some data complexities that

43:01we can probably just keep in mind as we

43:02go.

43:03Um and I think everybody probably is

43:05already aware of these. I'm just saying

43:06the obvious.

43:07Um you might look at a gross population

43:09and say, "Well, 84% of our unsheltered

43:13and this is completely made up, not

43:15real. But in the scenario, 84% of our

43:18our population is over 60, so we should

43:21target homeless interventions on that

43:23population." But you would also want to

43:25look at whether those 14% remaining are

43:28homeless longer, are having more trouble

43:31accessing resources, and even if the

43:34focus is on the city with a capital C,

43:37what is the impact that they have?

43:38Because it may be that individuals in

43:41the smaller population occupy occupy

43:44downtown more often and, you know,

43:46result in increased police calls or

43:49concerned citizens or or that type of

43:51things. Data isn't going to just be

43:53numbers taken without context. Um so

43:56that's something that we need to to keep

43:57in mind. I think the way that we would

43:59present that and and identify how those

44:03gaps actually what the shape of those

44:04gaps are is by having those different

44:06stakeholders. Alderman Greg has

44:07mentioned the police a couple of times

44:09as partners. And well, in the nonprofit

44:13um sphere, we may look at individuals as

44:17and population demographics, we also do

44:18want to look at that impact on the city.

44:20And I think out of complete fairness, we

44:23should invite the city to present on

44:25overall in the budget, where exactly is

44:27our funding being directed? Because you

44:30can look at things like the public

44:31health budget, the opioid abatement

44:33fund. You can also look at things like

44:35uh the community development block grant

44:37that is

44:38um managed through um the Human Affairs

44:41Committee. You can look at the mayor's

44:43um

44:45uh additional funding uh that he puts

44:48into the budget. Those are things that

44:50the city should probably say, "How much

44:51do we spend on different areas?" That's

44:54data, too, and that does help with gaps.

44:56>> Yep. The Housing Trust Fund, just to add

44:58that to that. Um

44:59Can I switch talk? Are you done?

45:01>> Nope.

45:02>> Yep. Okay.

45:03>> please.

45:03>> Okay. Um Latanya, do you have a vision

45:05at all? I mean, not to put you on the

45:07spot, but I'd love to hear from you

45:08given your experience.

45:11Um what kind of vision you feel like you

45:13want to come out of this?

45:16>> Um I'm trying to be optimistic.

45:19I feel like I've been in this circle

45:21before and data has been presented and,

45:24you know, quite frankly, the data didn't

45:26feel like it mattered when decisions

45:28were made um by the legislators around

45:30the table. So, I'm hopeful that we're

45:32not just going through this exercise to

45:34produce a report to say that we did the

45:36report. I I really hope that there's

45:39some meaningful action that's taken

45:40after the recommendations are made and

45:43the gaps are identified. Um and whether

45:45that and I think it needs to happen in

45:46combination with the nonprofits.

45:49Um you know, especially now in my

45:50position, as an executive director, I

45:53understand the capacity limitations that

45:55my organization has and I want to be

45:57transparent throughout this process

45:59about that. And I hope that the

46:01nonprofits that we bring to the table

46:03can do the same thing. You know, I can

46:05say that we're ending family

46:06homelessness, but I'm I'm answering

46:08calls and there's families I can't help.

46:10Um and I want to be transparent about

46:11the reasons why I can't assist some of

46:13those folks. So, I'm hopeful that that's

46:15something that comes out of this. Um and

46:17then again, that meaningful action of um

46:19whether it be city dollars, of course,

46:22we we love that. Um city policies um and

46:26even like as a nonprofit, I'd be willing

46:30to adjust some of my internal policies

46:33as well if that becomes a barrier um as

46:36long as it's not going up against the

46:38mission that we have. Um so, I think

46:40that there needs to be an openness from

46:41everybody um to kind of make those

46:43changes because it's not completely on

46:46the city to make policies and and put

46:47the money forward. I think that we have

46:49a lot of great nonprofits doing a lot of

46:51great work and we're still seeing people

46:53fall through the cracks and I think that

46:54policy changes need to be made um at

46:57each level.

46:58Thank you.

47:00Director Beckley?

47:01>> Yes, I just would like to um

47:04address Alderman Ravi Rav

47:06Ravin?

47:06>> Ravin.

47:07>> Ravins' comment about the data and um

47:11when we are collecting data, there's the

47:14quantitative data, which is the

47:16numerical data, and then there's also

47:18the qualitative data. So, I'm hoping

47:20that we're going to have the inclusive

47:23collection of data

47:24>> Um and I also appreciate Alderman

47:26Lopez's comments around even looking at

47:29some of the budgetary components of this

47:31as well. When we look at this um

47:34opportunity that we have with a gap

47:36analysis, it does allow for us to take a

47:39deeper dive into looking at the

47:42uh where we find ourselves um within our

47:45community and the way that this

47:46resolution was written up allows for us

47:49to address all of those different

47:50components, the pathways, um our

47:52outreach, um strengthening our

47:54coordination with our city departments,

47:57and I'm glad that you did clarify what

47:58you meant by city cuz when I look at

48:00city, I looked at look at it as a

48:02collective. I don't just look at it as

48:04the city as the municipal departments,

48:07but that it is as a whole the system.

48:10And so, I always look at us as a a

48:12systems approach to addressing the needs

48:15um you know, that are put before us. And

48:17so, it includes all of the um the

48:21variables that

48:23will address this issue and that will

48:25feed um our understanding of where the

48:27gaps are. And so, both the qualitative

48:29and the quantitative components are

48:30going to be really, really important.

48:35>> Are there any other comments?

48:39Dreams, hopes?

48:42>> Alderman Grant

48:43>> I just wanted to say how much I

48:44appreciate all of you who have um

48:46stepped up to serve on this committee

48:48and everybody that's going out there

48:49that's going to help with this. I think

48:51it's a

48:52a really important thing for us all to

48:53do, and I just appreciate you all. Thank

48:55you.

48:57So, can I just ask some things to um be

49:00done before next week because it sounds

49:02like we already have some. Thank you,

49:04Tonya, for assembling those numbers

49:06already.

49:07Um Alderman Lopez, um since you brought

49:10it up, I think it's a great idea to know

49:11where all and maybe um Meg, you can

49:13assist in this. Um to know where what is

49:16the city doing funding-wise,

49:19program-wise that touches this issue.

49:22It's not necessarily going to be um

49:25it may be adjacent to it. So, you

49:27mentioned um the Community Development

49:29Block Grant, for example. That's

49:31something that we're a beneficiary of

49:33and many other nonprofits. Um so, that's

49:36kind of adjacent, not necessarily

49:38full-on, but it definitely supports the

49:40nonprofits. The Housing Trust Fund. I'm

49:42sure there's more that you can think of

49:44and I would know that you have a more

49:46extensive knowledge of that. So, if we

49:48could have that understanding at our

49:50next meeting, if we could just assemble

49:52a list, um get it to Jess. Um Alderman

49:56Lopez.

49:56>> Just as a response, um I can get data.

49:59It will be very comprehensive, so what I

50:00would suggest is we pick one of the

50:02meetings that we have scheduled and have

50:03the director Cummings present on it. As

50:06the chief, he oversees all those

50:08different departments.

50:09>> Okay.

50:16Any

50:16>> I think

50:17>> Sorry, did you Okay.

50:19>> No, I mean I I think there's a lot of

50:21nuance to it, so it depends on what you

50:22mean dollars, right? Because are we

50:24talking about resources? Are we talking

50:26about

50:27funding to nonprofits, personnel, um

50:32programs? So, there's

50:34a lot of There's a lot of nuance to it.

50:37I mean, I'm I'm happy to to take that

50:38on. It's

50:40>> Yeah, I think even with the nuance, it's

50:41important for us to understand like

50:43Again, it's a because it is a gap

50:45analysis. So, what's being done right

50:46now?

50:48What else do we need and how can we pull

50:50this together? So, I think we would It's

50:52part of the baseline of some of these

50:53numbers that um Tonya pulled together.

50:56Baseline of

50:57the

50:58the state of the city, so to speak. And

50:59we know that but this is just within

51:01homelessness services.

51:04Homelessness and I want to say housing

51:06because, you know, we obviously have

51:08shelter, we have all different kinds of

51:10housing, which we can get through the

51:13housing inventory.

51:16Um are there any other pieces of data

51:19that folks can pull

51:21um

51:22for next week that they, you know, that

51:25are on the tip and then we can

51:28see what else we need.

51:30>> If I can make a suggestion, it might be

51:33good for um since you just got the chair

51:35position

51:36>> know

51:36>> to take a take and think about

51:39structurally and next week we talk about

51:41the structure of how we want these to

51:42[clears throat] run

51:43um versus like, you know, what the

51:46comments going to be and that kind of

51:47stuff, but I it would probably be best

51:49for you to

51:50we get a boat on that like all day long

51:52>> Sure, of course.

51:53>> but it's probably as the chair it's your

51:55>> I'm just very ambitious sometimes.

51:57>> able to do that, yeah. And and really

51:59talk about that structure next week and

52:00how we want to um

52:02>> Move the work forward.

52:03>> after you think about it, yeah.

52:04>> But if there just certain easy, not

52:06easy, but things that we have already

52:09it's good to for all of us to have them

52:11in hand cuz it helps orient us to what

52:13we're looking at as a challenge. So, if

52:15there are those things and then next

52:17week we can talk more about, you know,

52:20who do we want to have people come in to

52:21talk to us? Do we, you know, those kind

52:24of Do we want to have a presentation

52:26from um Director Sullivan, those kind of

52:28things.

52:29>> But I just again, I don't want to waste

52:31time. The information that I can give

52:34you literally right now if you need it.

52:36Um

52:37I have the point in time count. I have

52:40housing inventory counts. I have

52:42collection system performance metrics,

52:45articles on homeless data, cost

52:47effective housing solutions, fact sheet

52:50for cost effective for homelessness,

52:52true cost of homelessness, some studies

52:54for other related things, and we have

52:57different comparative project costs and

53:00other um research articles. So

53:03>> If you're going to send that, please to

53:05Jess and then we can get that

53:06disseminated.

53:08And Jess, did you have a comment?

53:09>> Yes, sorry. Can I just have a

53:10clarification? Um for the minutes, who

53:12is going to create the cheat sheet about

53:14running the meetings?

53:16>> Was that Donna Graham?

53:17>> Donna Graham.

53:18>> We're going to ask Yeah, administration.

53:19[clears throat]

53:21>> Administrative office.

53:22>> Um

53:23Would it be an idea to coordinate with

53:25Donna, too, to see if she can make the

53:26script?

53:27She does them all the time, so she'll

53:28just show you how to do it and then you

53:29can give them to James.

53:31>> That's helpful.

53:32>> Thank you.

53:33>> Any other clarifications?

53:35>> Um and I just want to make sure, so

53:37everybody is going to send me all of the

53:39data. Everybody is going to tell me if

53:41the Tuesdays before the holidays work

53:43for them.

53:44Um and that's about all I have.

53:46>> Okay.

53:47So, I think if we do all of those things

53:49just in the interim, talk about the

53:50structure next week, but um if if

53:55those things can be disseminated before

53:56our next meeting, it's it's almost like

53:59a leveling of the playing field, kind of

54:00like so people's knowledge is similar or

54:03we've all read the same things. And

54:05also, we're going to send out the

54:06ordinance again, too. Thank you.

54:08>> Thank you.

54:09>> Um even though I think, Bobby, you did

54:11send it out, but we'll just have it all

54:13in one place. I know that's helpful for

54:15me to have things all in one spot.

54:17>> I just have another clarifying question

54:20about the budget numbers, cuz now I'm

54:22like, "Hmm. Are we looking for proactive

54:27or reactive?"

54:29>> Or both?

54:29>> I would say both, right?

54:31>> Okay.

54:31>> Uh yeah, I would like to work with you

54:33on that, cuz I had already an idea of

54:35primary, secondary, and ancillary. Like,

54:37DPW cleaning up sites is ancillary, but

54:40primary is public health.

54:42>> Right.

54:43>> Okay.

54:43>> Great.

54:44>> I think that's Yeah. I think What What

54:47do we say? Both and?

54:49>> [laughter]

54:49>> And and.

54:51So.

54:52Latonia.

54:53>> Latanya.

54:53>> And I think in considering the budget,

54:55just some of the other things that I had

54:57looked at previously were

55:00the library. They're spending a lot of

55:01money in responding to this.

55:04Of course, PD with the additional um

55:07monitoring on Main Street from earlier

55:09this year.

55:11Um and just making sure we're including

55:12those as well.

55:18>> Um and on a final note, we have some

55:20observers in the room. Do you all have

55:22any things on your vision board of what

55:24you're hoping this will I know vision

55:27board you like oh that's so public

55:28health.

55:30>> [laughter]

55:30>> Do you have anything on your on your

55:32list? Like there's a reason that you

55:34came today. So beyond that, is there

55:36something that um you all can provide

55:39for this committee

55:40um as we look at it um like those costs

55:44for example that LaTanya was just

55:45mentioning for um the police department

55:48extra patrol, fire department fire

55:50hazards, those kind of things. So I

55:52didn't know if there was anything that

55:54you would like to um be able to

55:56contribute to this um on kind of a

55:59systems level

56:01of what you are seeing in the trends.

56:03Can we have them answer first, please?

56:05>> Yeah, but for a point of clarification,

56:07the microphones won't pick them up over

56:08there.

56:09>> Oh.

56:09>> So they have to come up to the mic to

56:10speak.

56:10>> We Yeah, we're not having any public

56:12comments.

56:14We're not having So just think about it.

56:16>> [laughter]

56:17>> As I put you on the spot. I'm a new

56:19chair. I've only been doing this for 45

56:20minutes. So

56:22>> [laughter]

56:22>> So I don't know the rules.

56:24>> I'm glad you're here.

56:25>> Did anyone

56:26>> But please come again. But I would ask I

56:28would ask that um if you do return, it's

56:31think think about those things that you

56:33can bring um to this committee about

56:36some of the concerns. And I've course

56:38heard um both of you really um in my

56:40prior work um speak to these issues. And

56:43it's really important because that

56:44affects again um as Alderman Lopez said

56:47and you know and um LaTanya just said

56:50the city budgets and how we respond to

56:53this. And I think it's fascinating

56:55that's the proactive versus the reactive

56:58because um I think in this situation we

57:01do a lot of reactive and I think all to

57:03the point of this is so that we can

57:05become proactive. So I I we can have

57:08that kind of this is a response and that

57:10came in our budget but this is stuff

57:12we've planned for and then that's a gap

57:15in of itself that we will probably

57:16identify. So,

57:18um any other points of discussion that

57:20you would like to have before we

57:22adjourn?

57:25All right. So, um

57:27may I ask for a motion? Motion to

57:29adjourn? Wait, hold on.

57:30Oh, Alderman Okay, second. Well, I want

57:33to

57:34So moved.

57:35>> [laughter]

57:36>> I Good thing I can read lips, Bobby.

57:39That's the best line of the whole day.

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