2026-10-08 - Historic Preservation Commission

00:16Did you bring a gabble home with you?

00:19>> No, I've got a busted Xbox controller I

00:22can use, I guess. [laughter]

00:24>> Yeah,

00:26>> that'll work. Yeah, they don't hold up

00:28well to toddlers chewing on them. So,

00:38>> okay.

00:39>> They don't hold up well in a

00:40toddler-free household either, just so

00:42you know. [laughter]

00:44>> Okay. Well, it's 7 o'clock. Do we want

00:46to start? Is the applicant there?

00:49>> Yes.

00:50>> Yes.

00:51>> Okay. Um, I can't find the email that

00:55has my me the the uh script. So, if

00:58y'all are okay, we'll dispense with the

01:00script.

01:02>> We're good with it.

01:04>> Okay.

01:05>> Absolutely fine.

01:05>> I guess I shouldn't speak for you guys.

01:06>> Oh, yeah. It's fine. [laughter]

01:09>> Well, welcome to the uh October 8th,

01:132026 meeting of the City of Bangor

01:15Historic Preservation Commission. The

01:18first item on our agenda is old

01:19business, which would be the approval of

01:21the meeting minutes from September 24th,

01:232026.

01:26>> I'd like to move for us to adopt the

01:28meeting minutes from September 24th,

01:302026. They look great.

01:32>> Second the motion.

01:35>> Yes.

01:36>> Yes.

01:37>> And I also vote yes.

01:39Um the second item of old business is

01:41the adoption of findings and decision

01:43for 225 Cedar Street.

01:47I'd like to move first to adopt the

01:49finding decisions for um 225 Cedar

01:53Street from the previous meeting.

01:55>> Second the motion.

01:57>> Yes.

01:58>> Yes.

01:59>> And I will also vote yes. That concludes

02:02the old business on the agenda. So now

02:04we will move on to the new business

02:06which is a certificate of

02:08appropriateness for 28 West Broadway map

02:10lot 2265. The applicant is Blackstone

02:14Restoration and the homeowner is Stephen

02:17and Allison Fes. So, if the applicant

02:20would like to approach the podium, make

02:22sure the microphone lit green and give

02:24your presentation.

02:26>> Uh, Nate, before we do that,

02:28>> yes.

02:28>> Uh, I need to uh put forth a potential

02:31conflict of interest. Um, Blackstone

02:34Restoration rents a workshop space from

02:37me. I do not believe this is a conflict

02:40of interest as I have no financial

02:42holdings in the company or influence.

02:44They are a tenant. If they were not my

02:46tenant, then I would have someone else

02:48rent it. So, I do not think this is a

02:50conflict, but I did want to bring it

02:51forward as a potential for

02:53consideration.

02:55[snorts]

02:56>> Okay,

02:57Katie, any thoughts?

02:59>> I believe we've considered this before

03:01and found it to be not a conflict. Um,

03:03I'd like to move that it's not a

03:05conflict in this instance.

03:08And um I don't believe that Peter can

03:11second that. So um we'll just I'll

03:15second it and um go ahead and we'll vote

03:18I guess.

03:20>> I am voting yes that this is not a

03:22conflict.

03:23>> And I am also voting that this is not a

03:25conflict of interest.

03:28>> Thank you.

03:30>> Thank you, Peter.

03:31>> Thank you.

03:34All

03:38right. Good evening members of the

03:39commission, consultant Poland and staff.

03:42My name is Matthew Whiteamp. I am here

03:44today in a professional capacity to

03:46represent represent Blackstone

03:48restoration Steven and Allison Freeze

03:50for the project proposed project at the

03:52George E. Thompson House at 28 West

03:54Broadway. It's a expansion of a

03:56previously approved project for the

03:58carriage house. for doing much of the

04:00same or proposing to do much of the same

04:03work. Um, a little bit about the

04:06background

04:07um of the house. It was um uh built by

04:13or was built for George E. Thompson. He

04:16was um a

04:19um proate or Ponoska County attorney. It

04:21was constructed um in the early um 20th

04:24century and it was um built by a very

04:27skil or is designed by very skilled

04:29architect Crocker Cra and has this

04:32beautiful

04:34um fenistrated facade with fan lights

04:37and ballistrates. It's an absolutely

04:38lovely house and it's survived very well

04:40over the um century plus that it's been

04:43standing. Um, but there are a couple

04:45problems with this um, structure. And

04:48this is my normal shiel. Um, mixed

04:50metals. When you mix all kinds of

04:53different metals, um, they react with

04:56each other and they corrode each other

04:57and then water gets in the building and

04:59it rots. And that's what's happening

05:02here. Um, it's currently steel and

05:04aluminum and the steel is corroding the

05:07aluminum on the hips. Water's getting

05:09in. It also has lead and that's

05:11corroding the steel and water's getting

05:14in in the gutters and we want to fix

05:17this and the way to do it was with

05:19redoing the metal on the entire building

05:22and we're proposing to use copper. Here

05:25are a couple of the problem areas where

05:27you can see the mixed metals reacting

05:29and the downspout outlet actually

05:32dropped out of this gutter and the water

05:36is pouring into the set. Um, and over

05:40the front facade, there's been attempts

05:43to repair the steel roof with um, EP

05:47dam, which is a rubber material, and

05:48those repairs have failed and water is

05:50getting in there as well. So, our

05:53proposal is to

05:56replace the steel gutters or the um,

05:59wood the wooden gutters that are lined

06:01with steel with copper. And I have an

06:04example for you guys. You want to be in

06:06my box here.

06:11It ends up being something like this. I

06:14can pass it around if anyone wants to

06:16see it.

06:19>> Sharp.

06:26>> We will not be replacing any of the

06:28wooden guns themselves. They appear to

06:30be in serviceable condition. If they do

06:33need to be replaced, they'll be replaced

06:35in kind. These are Douglas fur and

06:37they're made in Oregon and they're a

06:39lovely material to work with.

06:42Um, there are a couple areas of damaged

06:44carpentry.

06:46Where the arrows are on the PowerPoint

06:48presentation, and we're going to replace

06:50in kind with mahogany instead of the

06:53pine. The pine that's currently

06:55available is extremely soft and porous

06:58and doesn't last well in the main

07:00environment. So, we're going to replace

07:01it with sili commonly known as mahogany.

07:05I have two more samples for you guys.

07:08Having fun?

07:23>> You can feel the density and difference

07:25in the materials. It's very evident.

07:28Um, and if we're doing this work, um,

07:32our we just want it to last and it's so

07:36expensive to do that we should do it

07:38once. And for the metal, we're going to

07:41choose 20 oz copper, which has 20 ounces

07:44of weight per square foot. And I have a

07:46sample of that as well.

08:03I have a I have a um this is a lighter

08:06game.

08:13>> Yeah, that is that's 16 ounces per

08:15square foot. I thought I put the it's

08:16probably just buried in here to be

08:18honest.

08:19>> So, moving on. um replace all the copper

08:25uh or the steel gutter liners with

08:27copper and solder all the joints. And if

08:31we're doing that, we can't have steel

08:33valleys cuz they'll react with each

08:36other. So, we're proposing to replace

08:38all of those as well with 20 oz copper.

08:43And then the next logical step is to um

08:47replace some other things with copper.

08:49Um one of the um consultants's question

08:52was about the vent pipe. Um it is

08:56highlighted by the arrow there and this

08:59is what it will look like. It will be

09:01replaced by this instead of a rubber

09:03boot. The rubber deteriorates very

09:06quickly here. And this will last

09:08forever.

09:09I can pass this around if anyone wants

09:11to see it or they can come up later.

09:14All right.

09:20Um and the homeowners, the freezes have

09:23um done some beautiful landscaping to

09:24the property and ice is falling off the

09:28roof onto it and crushing their

09:30beautiful plantings. So they asked if we

09:33could put up um a snow retention system

09:36and they are called snow guards and they

09:40look

09:48this. And there'll be two courses of

09:50them every third slate to hold the snow

09:53onto the roof.

09:55And there's an area that's highlighted

09:57in yellow where there'll be three

09:58courses. They have a generator, backup

10:01generator. And we want to make sure

10:03nothing falls on it because they're very

10:04worried about it.

10:16Yep. You pull three slates out and it

10:18get stacked all back together.

10:22It's a really elegant

10:24way of doing things.

10:27Um,

10:31and then to conclude, um, we're going to

10:34replace the, um, the EPDM roof on the

10:37top, um, which has not been installed

10:40properly. And to, um, be able to conduct

10:44the other repairs, we need to kind of

10:46build up to it. And then it's ringed in

10:49steel as well. So, it'll be a black

10:52rubber roof just like it was. Um,

10:56we'll be adding two down spouts because

10:59the front of this building has sunk over

11:01time and water pools here and there'll

11:04be copper down spouts and all the other

11:06downspouts on the building will be paste

11:07replace.

11:22And those are also made of 20 oz copper.

11:26And that's a 32 oz copper gutter strap.

11:31Um, to do all this, we're going to have

11:33to remove the slate hips on the

11:36building. Um, just to be able to affect

11:40the repairs. Also, um, they were covered

11:45in on the main house with aluminum

11:48recently. And when they were installed,

11:51the contractor screwed through all the

11:53slates to do it, thus ruining them.

11:58So, we'll be removing the hips and ridge

12:02and unfortunately having to scrap most

12:04of that slate, but we will be replacing

12:07it with new slate that was cried in

12:09Quebec and

12:26The slate that is cori um there is in

12:28the same geological um formation from

12:31the Monson slate.

12:35It it is Monson. I have one

12:39right here.

12:50And that's the same slate that is on the

12:52build difference because it's patinaed

12:53over time,

12:56but

13:00that's as close as we can currently get

13:02to what was coron because there's no

13:03active slate quaries in Maine anymore.

13:08Um,

13:11and that concludes my presentation for

13:14the proposed work at 28 West Broadway.

13:16And if possible, I wanted to give you a

13:18little update on the carriage house that

13:21was previously approved by the

13:23commission. Um, the work was completed

13:27um in July of this year and you can see

13:29that the wooden gutters were added and

13:32the profile of the gutters changed

13:34almost none.

13:36um has the same copper down spouts and

13:38snow guards as the main block will have

13:41if approved.

13:57>> Okay, if that's all you've got, then we

14:00can hand it over to the consultant.

14:03>> Yes.

14:05Okay,

14:14>> Nathaniel, you okay?

14:16>> Yeah, I'm I've got uh I've got a

14:182-year-old demanding snacks. Apologize.

14:20>> Oh, that's that's very cute.

14:22>> Done that.

14:23>> Love it. [laughter]

14:25[clears throat]

14:26>> Apologies.

14:28>> No, it's wonderful. So, yeah. Um for for

14:33everybody's uh understanding CPA Crow

14:36was actually the founder of the firm

14:38that is now WBRC today.

14:42So uh Crow Lancaster did a lot of work

14:45in the turn of the century up till the

14:481920s and 30s. But this is a colonial

14:51revival house. Beautiful house as

14:53Matthew described it. And um you can see

14:58a lot of detailing work on this. the

15:00lanterns that are on the that you see on

15:03top of the rails. I don't think those

15:04are there anymore, are they? No. So over

15:07time, fine details maybe get lost, but

15:10the house really has maintained its

15:12integrity incredibly. So I think

15:15Matthew, you probably answered the

15:17questions, but I'll go back through them

15:19one more time. And first question was,

15:21what damaged carpentry will be repaired

15:23with the mahogany? And you pointed that

15:25out pretty clearly. um on the

15:28>> I suspect there will be more damaged

15:32carpentry as we investigate further.

15:34>> Yeah, it looked like excuse me, it

15:36looked like around the perimeter of the

15:38flat EPDM roof up there that there was

15:41actually some kind of a curb, some kind

15:43of a vertical curb. Is that covered in

15:46metal or is that painted [clears throat]

15:47wood or what is that?

15:49>> Um

15:49>> you know where I'm talking.

15:53>> Yeah.

15:55No, no, it was up where the e in this

15:58Yeah, in the tops the top of the roof.

16:02Uh, very Yeah. Okay. There. So, you see

16:06that perimeter? It looks like there's

16:08some kind of a perimeter raised curb

16:11around the outside.

16:13>> Currently, there's um some steel counter

16:16flashing.

16:17>> Is that okay to keep?

16:18>> It's going to be replaced with copper.

16:20We can Okay. because we're proposing to

16:22remove the EPDM roof and

16:25>> if that's removed, it's very simple to

16:27change,

16:27>> right? Okay. So, that'll have a cover of

16:29copper on it. Okay. The next question

16:32was about the vent pipe. Where is it

16:33being replaced? And you pointed that out

16:35pretty clearly. Um there's one up at the

16:38top flat section and it looks like

16:39there's one more back on be on the back

16:42of the house.

16:43>> Just the back one will be replaced with

16:45this styled.

16:46>> Okay.

16:48And the and the one up on the top on the

16:50flat roof won't

16:51>> it's a cast iron pipe and holds a um a

16:55EPDM boot

16:57>> like a boot. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. A boot.

17:01Uh what that is is it's kind of a

17:03witch's cap sort of thing. Um it's

17:06truncated and they usually have a base

17:08to it that you bring your

17:10>> top and is adhered to the

17:14member.

17:14>> Can you point out again where that is?

17:20that piece.

17:20>> Yeah, that

17:24>> I see it. Yeah. Okay.

17:28>> Okay. Thank you. That was and that's a

17:30German the product that you showed was

17:33that German copper vent pipe

17:34>> and that'll be in the slate field at the

17:36on the L of the building.

17:38>> And the other question was just about

17:40ridge slates. I know overlapping slates

17:42as you mentioned. Do you have them on

17:43the hip on the hips and on the ri the

17:46ridges?

17:48>> Uh my only question is is there metal

17:50underneath that

17:52>> step flashed with light?

17:53>> Okay. Yeah, that that was my question.

17:56>> And the reason why you're choosing not

17:58to use copper there. So if there's any

18:00irregularities,

18:01>> right,

18:02>> in the there's like a wood substrate on

18:04the ridge.

18:05>> Yeah.

18:05>> In the hips. If there's irregularity,

18:07the copper doesn't bend as nicely as the

18:09lead does.

18:10>> So it generally lays better. It's lead

18:12or lead coated copper. Okay. Lead

18:15>> sheet lead.

18:16>> Yep. Well, that's good to have it in the

18:18record.

18:20>> Good. That's those were the questions

18:21that I had.

18:28>> Okay. Does anyone on the council have

18:30questions for the applicant?

18:32>> Uh, yes, I do. Um, the steel gutters

18:35you're replacing, were these original to

18:37the house? Um, I believe they were steel

18:42originally. Any houses in Bangor were

18:45originally steel. Um, these appear to

18:47have been redone maybe in the last 30 or

18:5240 years.

18:53>> Okay,

18:53>> that's my best guess.

18:55>> Um, the next question, the EPDM, which

18:58is in that rectangular section on top,

19:00>> um, what would have been the original

19:03material there?

19:04>> It probably was soldered zinc.

19:06>> Okay.

19:07And the EPDM um obviously is a new

19:11material. Uh can you tell us a little

19:13bit about choice of that versus

19:16something else like copper?

19:18>> Well, it's cost cost mostly the

19:22installing the copper pans is very

19:24costly and timeconuming and with the

19:28cold winters and the increasingly hot

19:31main summers the expansion and

19:32contraction on the solder joints is

19:34becoming increasingly problematic. Mhm.

19:37>> want to risk failure. It's already been

19:39installed with EBTM.

19:42>> And you mentioned that the edging on it

19:44is steel. Is that being replaced with

19:46copper?

19:47>> Yes.

19:47>> Okay. And lifetime for the EPDM. I'm

19:50just curious. I mean, I'm not objecting

19:52to the material. I'm curious as to what

19:55projected lifetime would be for that

19:56material. Do we know

19:57>> with maintenance? I think 30 or 40 years

20:01>> and probably easily replaced.

20:05Um, another question I have is you

20:10talking about the corrosion issue and

20:12the the various metals. Um, what is uh

20:16copper's nemesis?

20:18>> Everything.

20:20>> Okay.

20:21>> It's highly reactive.

20:22>> So I guess the the question is the

20:24copper is soldered with lead. I presume

20:26that that is a lasting process and there

20:29is not an electrolytic.

20:30>> They're the most similar of the two.

20:32>> Okay. And the the solder that's used is

20:34a mix of 50% lead and 50% tin.

20:38>> Okay. And and so that is not a reactive

20:41situation. Okay. Um and also similar

20:45question with bronze and copper. Uh

20:48bronze has a significant amount of

20:49copper in it I think. Does it not? Is

20:51that then

20:53>> it doesn't react to bronze and copper? I

20:56think bronze is

20:59correct me if I'm wrong. It's either

21:01bronze, copper and tin or copper and

21:04>> copper and tin. I think

21:06>> I think it's copper and tin. I just

21:08mentioned that the snow guards are

21:10looked at. The guard itself appears to

21:12be bronze and the and the bracket

21:13appears to be copper. So, no issue

21:16there.

21:17>> How um effective are the snow guards? I

21:20mean, putting them up there um

21:24do they I mean what what what is the

21:27tipping point for that? a certain degree

21:29of snow on top that they don't hold or

21:33>> um you know you there's two feet of snow

21:35and it piles up much higher than the

21:38guards the top it it meters it in its

21:40fall

21:41>> I see okay

21:43>> instead of having you know two tons of

21:45snow fall off you have you

21:46>> gota

21:48>> I see the patent date on the uh uh

21:51bronze snow guard is 1923 I think are

21:55snow guards were they they used earlier

21:58And I mean historically iterations like

22:01the Thomas A house has some very early

22:04cast iron versions.

22:06>> Um there actually on the carriage house

22:09there are some existent

22:13they're essentially copper wire

22:15>> and [clears throat] it hooks under the

22:17slate and has a little twist

22:19>> and those are very those have been used

22:21for a very long time. Mhm.

22:24>> But the expansion and contraction under

22:26the slate above it

22:29>> breaks the slate above it generally

22:32>> kind makes a mess or the expansion

22:35contraction works against the edge of

22:37the slate where it's rough.

22:39>> Mhm.

22:39>> And erodess the spiral that's supposed

22:42to hold the snow. M

22:45um Mike mentioned that uh the finials in

22:49that original picture appear to have

22:51been lost on the ballastrade. Um I think

22:55they are a wonderful uh uh ornament u

23:00any any way to convince the homeowners

23:02to replace them.

23:03>> They're fastidious so there is a chance.

23:07>> I too would like to see them back. I

23:09think they're absolutely lovely.

23:10>> I do too. It just adds this extra level

23:12of ornament that this building has. Um,

23:15and I know it's not necessarily on

23:17topic. Um, but there's a beautiful

23:20stained glass window on the back of this

23:22house. If you're ever driving down West

23:24Broadway, turn left. It projects from

23:26the building in this kind of al cove

23:29>> that's stepped under it. It's stunning.

23:32>> We should have taken a picture, put that

23:34in our slide, but I didn't think far

23:36enough ahead.

23:38>> Uh, 20 ounce copper. um choice of that.

23:42Um the copper is going to last a very

23:45long time. 20 ounce is thicker than what

23:48you passed around to the 16. Is there

23:51industry standard for that?

23:53>> Um we just live in an more extreme

23:55environment and the difference in cost

23:58between the 16 and 20 ounces isn't

24:00demonstrable. So

24:02>> I always give the council to go with the

24:04best material you possibly can.

24:07Any estimate of how long all the copper

24:10is going to last?

24:12>> A very long longer than I will.

24:14[laughter]

24:16>> Wonderful. Thank you. I have no other

24:18questions.

24:21>> Um,

24:22silly question. It says steel valleys.

24:26Is that just the dips in between each

24:28connecting part?

24:30>> Light it in the next slide.

24:32>> Hey, very cool. Um my other question is

24:38um we're not going to see any difference

24:39between the mahogany and the pine

24:41because the white trim. Is that correct?

24:43>> It'll be painted to match the building.

24:45>> Fabulous. And then the big difference is

24:47going to be right now it looks like all

24:49the down spouts are painted to match the

24:51house on the trim and the parts and the

24:53so it's going to be copper framing that

24:55front.

24:56>> Yes.

24:56>> Pop out and then uh the sides and the

24:59corners.

24:59>> Correct.

25:01the the kind of beautiful copper color

25:04against the gray of this building. It

25:06would be really lovely.

25:07>> Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's all. Just

25:09wanted to note that that's a big change

25:11and that it's going to look very cool

25:14>> and they will patina over time. They'll

25:17kind of turn brown and then eventually

25:19var degrees.

25:23>> I think that's all my questions.

25:26>> Okay. Um, I don't really have any

25:29questions for Mr. White Camp. So, if no

25:32one else has any questions, we can turn

25:33it over to council discussion or

25:35commission discussion. I mean, excuse

25:36me.

25:40>> Discuss.

25:42[laughter]

25:43>> I mean, I think it's a very

25:44well-considered plan, extremely well

25:47presented. um uh would that we would all

25:51have the uh ability and resources to

25:56restore our historic buildings in this

25:58manner.

25:59Um I I'm pleased to see that there are

26:04homeowners that are doing that. I think

26:06it's a resource we should consider on

26:09the HPC in terms of uh recruiting folks

26:12from

26:14applications like this that have the uh

26:17understanding and passion to do this to

26:19be included somehow in the public uh

26:22move towards restoration and

26:24preservation.

26:31>> Okay.

26:33Anything else before before we go to

26:34public? Anyone in the public?

26:37>> Um, I think my only note is that I think

26:40that

26:42the copper um downspouts is really going

26:46to make it look even more beautifully

26:48symmetrical.

26:50I And I I know that's something that we

26:53talked about as one of the aspects of

26:54this type of house.

26:57>> Yeah. So, that's all that's my only

27:00comment.

27:02Okay.

27:04So, that will wrap up commission

27:06discussion. Do we have anyone in the

27:08public or anyone in the audience?

27:11>> Not here. Is there anybody online?

27:15>> There's no one online either.

27:16>> There's no one online either.

27:18>> Okay.

27:21>> So, with that, I believe we could uh put

27:24this to a motion.

27:29I would like to start the motions

27:30regarding this application and first uh

27:33move that we strike from the document

27:37the yellow uh highlighted sections which

27:40are not applicable to this particular

27:43application.

27:43>> Um before you get to that yeah

27:45procedural background.

27:46>> Oh you want to do that first. Okay. Um

27:49then I would like to move that the

27:51procedural background that the

27:52application being deemed complete

27:55October 8th 2026 and that the propos

27:57proposed project is a certificate of

27:59appropriateness and that the applicant

28:01has paid all the applicable fields fees

28:03is correct and

28:06>> I'd like to second that motion.

28:10>> Yes.

28:10>> Yes.

28:11>> Yes.

28:14And to move ahead then um I I move that

28:18the commission finds it based on

28:19exhibits one to three. Actually one

28:22through three not one two and three.

28:23Well actually it would be all that. Yes.

28:25The application satisfied a historic

28:27preservation code 148-9A

28:30requiring that any alteration of the

28:32historic structure will preserve or

28:34enhance its historical and architectural

28:36character.

28:37>> Seconded.

28:40>> Yes.

28:41>> Yes.

28:42>> Yes.

28:44I would now like to move in part two

28:46that the yellow highlighted areas in the

28:49document be uh stricken as they are not

28:52applicable

28:53>> and for part three.

28:54>> Oh, for part three as well through the

28:56rest of the document that would be parts

28:57two and three.

28:59>> I would like to second that.

29:02>> Yes.

29:03>> Yes.

29:04>> Yes.

29:06And moving forward then I would like to

29:09move under part two number two

29:13that the commission finds it based on

29:14exhibits 1-3 the application satisfies

29:18historic preservation code 148-9B

29:212B requiring that rehabilitation work

29:23does not destroy the distinguishing

29:25qualities nor the character of the

29:27structure and its environment.

29:29>> Seconded.

29:31>> Yes.

29:31>> Yes.

29:32>> Yes.

29:34I would like to move that under part two

29:37number three the commission finds it

29:39based on exhibits 1-3 the application

29:42satisfies historic preservation code

29:44148-2B2C

29:46requiring that while repair is

29:48preferable to replacement in the event

29:50that replacement of a deteriorated uh

29:53architectural features is necessary the

29:55feature being replaced in color design

29:57texture and other visual qualities and

29:59where economically and technically

30:01feasible materials

30:03>> seconded

30:04Yes.

30:05>> Yes.

30:06>> Yes.

30:08>> I'd like to further move in and uh part

30:10two number four uh the commission finds

30:14that based on exhibits 1-3 the

30:15application satisfies historic

30:17preservation code 148-2B2D

30:21requiring that distinctive stylistic

30:23features or examples of skilled

30:25craftsmanship which characterize

30:27historic structures is not damaged or

30:29destroyed when wherever possible.

30:32Seconded and yes.

30:34>> Yes.

30:35>> Yes.

30:37>> Further move under part two number nine.

30:39The commission finds based on exhibits

30:411-3. The application satisfies historic

30:44preservation code 148-2B2I

30:48requiring that whenever possible all

30:50alterations to structures shall be done

30:51in such a manner that if they were to be

30:53removed in the future, the essential

30:55form and integrity of the original

30:57structure would be unimpaired.

30:59>> Seconded. Yes. Yes.

31:02>> Yes. With the note that it's 148-9B

31:062I. I think you said 140 1482B.

31:10>> Oh, excuse me. [clears throat]

31:13And moving forward to uh what is listed

31:18as uh Roman numeral five the decision.

31:23I move that the commission finds that

31:25based on the findings in parts 1-2 of

31:28section four of this document, the

31:30project meets the requirements for a

31:32certificate of appropriateness and

31:33therefore grants a certificate of

31:35appropriateness for the proposed

31:36project.

31:38>> Seconded.

31:39>> Yes.

31:39>> Yes.

31:40>> And I also vote yes.

31:44So, with that, the motion passes,

31:48and I believe that concludes the uh

31:52review of uh 28 West Broadway.

31:56Thank you.

31:58>> Fabulous.

31:58>> Thank you. [snorts]

32:00>> And I believe that concludes everything

32:02on our agenda, unless there was any new

32:05business or other business that anyone

32:08wanted to add.

32:09Um, the only thing I want to add is this

32:12might have been sent when your packets

32:14were sent, but just to share the word

32:16with anyone you know that might be

32:17interested in applying for HBC because

32:19we will have two vacancies. I think one

32:21is the associate member. Could be wrong,

32:24but definitely one regular member

32:25vacancy next year. So,

32:29>> what's the time frame for application?

32:33>> Anytime probably

32:35>> deadline

32:35>> as soon as possible. Um, I don't know if

32:39they have a deadline at this point. Um,

32:43yeah, if you want to, you know, start in

32:45the new year, then it needs to be soon.

32:48>> Just curious, when a new member comes on

32:52and they take an alternate position,

32:54does that can the alternate then be

32:56advanced to a full regular?

32:58>> I think the alternate might have to

33:00apply specifically to be a regular

33:02member.

33:02>> That is correct. That's what I did.

33:05>> Yes.

33:10Okay.

33:12Well, not hearing any other new

33:15business, I move to the meeting.

33:20You can't hear it, but I go with my

33:22computer desk. [laughter]

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