2026-09-10 - Historic Preservation Commission

00:00that we approve the meeting minutes from

00:02August 13, 2026.

00:04>> Second.

00:08>> Yes.

00:09>> If you guys mind pausing just a minute.

00:20>> Matthew, you made the motion.

00:23>> Did I second it?

00:26>> He voted yes.

00:27>> I voted yes.

00:28>> I voted yes. Rebecca was about to vote.

00:30>> Yes.

00:31>> And I also vote. Yes.

00:35Okay. The next item of business is the

00:38adoption of findings and decision for 73

00:40Main Street and for 139 Main Street.

00:45And on this one, you weren't as

00:48>> No, I

00:51don't accept. You were I was okay. Uh,

00:55I'd like to move that we adopt the

00:58bindings and decisions for 73 Main

01:00Street and 139 Main Street.

01:02>> Second.

01:04>> Yes.

01:06[clears throat]

01:06>> Yeah.

01:08>> And I also vote yes.

01:10>> Passes. So, new business. We have in

01:13front of us a certificate of

01:14appropriateness for 217 York Street, NAF

01:17lot 055-011,

01:20St. John's Catholic Church historic

01:22sites applicant to St. Paul the Apostle

01:24Parish owner is the Roman Catholic

01:27bishop of Portland I believe before we

01:31kick this one off.

01:32>> Yes, I have a potential conflict on this

01:34one. Okay. I have worked with the

01:36applicants in preparation of this

01:39application in a professional manner

01:43and I have a direct financial stake in a

01:49sounds pretty clearcut and dry to me. Um

01:53commission members any comment?

01:56I would enter a motion that uh by

01:59associate member bike camp has a

02:03conflict of interest.

02:07>> I would like to make a motion that

02:09[laughter]

02:12um associate member has a conflict of

02:14interest and should be recused from this

02:17discussion.

02:20>> I second

02:22Yes. Yes.

02:26>> Oh, yes. We'll ask you to politely set

02:28out the room while we do handle this

02:30business and then we'll invite you back

02:31in.

02:31>> Y Thank you, sir.

02:40>> So, before we do start rolling, so you

02:42will need three affirmative votes in

02:44order for this to pass. So, you're able,

02:47you can either proceed now. We have

02:49three voting members present. You can

02:50vote or you could move to the next

02:54meeting.

02:54>> Oh, no. We're good.

02:56>> Fantastic.

02:57>> It's actually a simple majority now.

02:59>> Simple majority now. Okay. As I was

03:02>> fantastic. See, if I had the new notes

03:04in front of me. [laughter]

03:07>> So, okay. Well, then let's uh please

03:10whoever wants to present.

03:12>> Should we introduce both ourselves?

03:14>> Yes, please introduce both yourselves as

03:15we don't have a camera until we have

03:16minutes.

03:17>> Okay. I am Tim McKay. It's Ma Cy. I'm

03:20the facilities director here at St. Paul

03:22Fostal Parish.

03:24>> And I'm Ben who?

03:25>> Go ahead.

03:26>> I'm Ben Ray uh under facilities guy. I

03:30guess it's

03:31>> Yeah. Well, technically you're a sex

03:34>> at St. John's Catholic Church.

03:35>> Correct.

03:36>> Which is fancy church name for

03:38maintenance guy.

03:39>> Yes. [laughter]

03:44And so with you, I believe you guys have

03:47the application in.

03:50>> So we're actually looking to do more

03:53than what we're asking here, but part of

03:55what we're the biggest problem we're

03:58finding is we're losing some tinker

04:00property.

04:02So um the biggest change that we see

04:05from our understanding is replacing the

04:07slate is so maintenance. But what we're

04:10asking uh a couple of things we're

04:12asking is the first one is to install

04:14some u

04:16fall protection devices at the peak of

04:18the roof. [clears throat] Um and that's

04:21really to make the work safe for the

04:23phone. Um so if you look at uh our

04:28pictures

04:29these permanent anchors they kind of

04:32show you pretty much where does does

04:35Rebecca have a copy of this?

04:36>> I do. Yeah. So I'm looking at one called

04:39permanent anchors. So if you're looking

04:41AC of the roof, they're giving us an

04:44idea that they could cover with each

04:46anchor, they can cover what kind of

04:47area.

04:48>> Okay.

04:49>> Um so I believe it's 15 covers both the

04:53main roof and then the sub sub transit

04:57loops. Yeah.

04:59>> Uh the next shows kind of this isn't our

05:02roof, but it's it's another picture of a

05:04project similar to what we're looking

05:06at. And you can see one right here in

05:09the middle. Um, right here. You can see

05:12someone's tied off to this one.

05:14>> Rebecca, it's right here.

05:16>> Oh, she

05:19>> the one says permanent roof anchor.

05:20Correct. Yeah, correct. Halfway down,

05:22you'll see it's hard to see the actual

05:25anchor coming through the flashing, but

05:27you'll see the tie line going off to the

05:29right.

05:30>> There's a a dclipip there that that

05:32they're hooked in with.

05:34>> Okay. Um, but we're looking to put those

05:36across the main. Actually, it's very

05:38similar to this because they've got two

05:39transip roofs as well.

05:41>> Uh, so it's like a similar uh the

05:44picture on the right is really what it

05:46goes inside the roof, if you will, is

05:49how it gets mounted. That really you're

05:52never going to see, but what you're

05:53going to see is this piece. And I think

05:54it's about four. Well, that's two.

05:57That's just two and 116 center of the

06:00hole to the top of the roof, but it's

06:02going to be three or four inches

06:04sticking up when it's done.

06:06>> That's really not going to be all that

06:07visible from the imagine. It really

06:10shouldn't be. And

06:11>> it's going to be bronze, so as it ages,

06:14it should match in um one of the other

06:17things that is is replacing the copper

06:20flashing.

06:21uh

06:22>> the ridge cap in particular

06:23>> flashing that's that's across the top

06:25here.

06:26>> Um we do have a picture of that. Uh the

06:29next one that says ridge cap. Hopefully

06:31I've got it in the same order that you

06:33guys

06:33>> Yep.

06:34>> Um you can see that's one place we're

06:37losing some shingles along the ridge,

06:40but um we were told it was installed

06:43incor incorrectly and that they nailed

06:45through the base of it instead of doing

06:47hidden fasteners.

06:49>> Wow.

06:50So, that's one thing we're while we're

06:52up there, we're going to look to replace

06:53that. Um, which would be with copper.

06:57>> Okay.

06:58>> Um, the second item I believe that would

07:01be for uh for review is the uh snow

07:04rails. Um, one of the things that uh

07:09this gentleman pointed out was we have a

07:11copper roof u over the boiler. Actually,

07:14it's over our sacry, but boilers under

07:16that. a lot of snow comes off this this

07:19slate comes off quickly when it comes

07:21off.

07:22>> So there's a real potential to damage

07:25this cotton wool. Um so they've proposed

07:29some snow rails. I added on to that.

07:31There's another picture. I I really I

07:33just wrote snow rail.

07:35>> It's on the other side of the church.

07:37That's a sidewalk between the church and

07:38the rectory. You can't really see the

07:41rectory, but it's just coming off the

07:42picture. Um numerous one me for one. I

07:46know what's happened to Ben. It's

07:47happened to a couple of our priests.

07:48They come out that door just as the snow

07:50starts to come. Luckily, none of us have

07:53either we've gotten just by it or we're

07:57right in front of it, but no one's

07:58really gotten hit by it, which

08:01some storms it could really hurt us. Um,

08:04so I'm asking to see if we can at least

08:06go uh buttress to buttress, which is

08:08about 18 feet. Um, that one we will This

08:11one really you're not going to see. Um,

08:15this is

08:15>> it's hard to see that spot um

08:17>> because there's an apartment complex

08:18behind us. This one here we will see.

08:20>> Which one? Can you tell me which one you

08:22would see and which one? Sorry.

08:24>> I wrote down you're you're looking at a

08:26drone view on the top of the the whole

08:28ridge of the church with your left.

08:30>> Yep.

08:31>> Yeah. See where I kind of wrote.

08:33>> So, which one would you not see? The the

08:36other one.

08:37>> Yeah, the other one. Yeah,

08:38>> this one.

08:39>> Yeah, correct. Yep. Okay. Uh if we get

08:42to a picture, Rebecca, I'll I'll you'll

08:44be able to as we flip through you'll

08:47I'll I'll be able to tell you roughly

08:48where that is.

08:49>> Okay.

08:50>> I think [clears throat] so. Um so behind

08:53that is a picture of it's called it's

08:56made by Burger B.

08:59And it is made out of bronze. Um it

09:02tucks up underneath the slate. Like you

09:04put it in like a slate shingle. It tucks

09:07up underneath and then there's a couple

09:09of bronze bars. So, it's um it's

09:13visible, but I think it's very

09:14decorative.

09:16>> Um I I do like the looks of it. Um

09:19>> is the color similar to

09:22>> the color will age to a bronze.

09:24>> Okay.

09:27>> Yeah. Yeah. I I think it would take a

09:29few years to do that, but that's

09:32>> uh yeah, I I see that as, you know,

09:34almost really not that noticeable.

09:37>> So, here's a picture. There's another

09:38picture of a snow rail with the three

09:40rails on it.

09:42>> Um and more, this is this is really a

09:44request from us more for safety for our

09:47employees, you know, of anything.

09:49>> Um we've been kind of mowing about it

09:52the last couple years. What are we going

09:54to do? And then these guys came up with

09:56this and I was like, "Yeah, this is

09:58really what we need to put up there."

10:00>> And [clears throat] then the last one is

10:01the crosses.

10:03Um, and again, uh, we have there's a

10:07picture of one of them, the only one

10:09left. We've had two of them fall down.

10:11One came down, I believe, two years ago.

10:13The other one was probably

10:15>> I started working at the church in 2020

10:17and Ben was 2021, I think,

10:20>> 22. Uh, so this first cross came down

10:23before we were working. Um, so this

10:26they're just rotting. We believe they

10:28were part of the 1988 renovation when

10:31they did that. They did a lot of work at

10:32the church in 1988 and

10:34>> actually they installed the slate roof

10:35in the 80s

10:36>> and they they redid the slate. Um, so

10:39what uh we're proposing is to make this

10:42out of a

10:44make it out of mahogany so it last a

10:46little bit longer

10:47>> and then paint it. We do have the cross

10:51that came down is missing few pieces,

10:53but we have enough to put it back

10:55together. Really the same size

10:57>> to make it the exact same.

10:58>> Yeah.

10:58>> Um we're not exactly sure how that

11:01there's got to be a pocket here. We

11:02don't know how deep it is

11:04>> until we go up there and look, but we

11:06know it's it's a 4x4 constructed cross.

11:09>> We can measure that. Uh so there's got

11:12to be some kind of a pocket there we can

11:13deal with, but um we won't know until we

11:16get there.

11:17>> Yep. So, we're going to paint it the

11:18same color, less the lykan that's

11:20growing on it now, and

11:23go from there. Um, and we'd put back all

11:26three. So, yeah. Yeah. Our our intent is

11:29to replace this one. If you go to the

11:32southwest view, you can see this one

11:33missing.

11:34>> So, we'd replace all three. We're going

11:36to do it because this one's coming. I

11:37mean, we're lucky. The the last one that

11:39came down was right near our walkway

11:42>> where they walk into the church. Oh. So,

11:44it came down. It actually came down

11:46during the day, too. Somebody came out

11:48and said, "Hey, cross."

11:49>> Yeah. I went outside and I looked to my

11:50left and there's the cross on the

11:52ground. I was like,

11:52>> but you know, we have people walk across

11:54this walkway and and the cross is this

11:57is it on this side. The cross is right

11:58above it.

11:59>> Um, so

12:01far the church good luck. [laughter]

12:04>> Yes. Yes.

12:05>> God's watching us.

12:07>> Um, so I don't know if we have that

12:11picture. No, we don't. where that the

12:14snow rail would go.

12:15>> Um, you can sort of see it in the

12:16southwest trans.

12:17>> Yeah.

12:19>> So, if you're looking at the southwest

12:21photo, there's that roof ridge to the

12:24left.

12:25>> 31

12:26>> in ours,

12:26>> Rebecca.

12:27>> Page 31.

12:29>> Yeah.

12:30>> Below the crosses.

12:32>> Yep. Southwest.

12:34>> There you go. So, if you look on the

12:36lower left of the picture, you'll see

12:38the buttresses a set of three. It would

12:40be between in that picture the second

12:43and third.

12:44>> Yeah.

12:45>> Yeah. Because if you look close enough,

12:47Rebecca, down at the bottom, you'll see

12:48a a black flat roof. You can just barely

12:51see it in this picture.

12:54>> And the issue with that flat roof

12:55>> that flat roof is the door we

12:57>> doesn't protrude far enough out to

12:59actually protect you from the snow load

13:00coming off the roof.

13:01>> Right.

13:02>> It does the rain, but not the snow.

13:04Exactly.

13:05>> So, what that facing? Is that facing

13:07that facing southwest?

13:10So that face is the rectory.

13:11>> The rectory

13:12>> rectory is available.

13:13>> I don't think I gave you

13:15>> a personal view. It's not a view that

13:16somebody would be seeing from the road.

13:18>> No. Um

13:21>> uh well,

13:22>> you'd see it a little bit from the road.

13:24>> Yeah.

13:25>> Yeah. Yeah. Because

13:26>> coming up street,

13:27>> you know, if you're over here on Boyd

13:29Street walking this way, you would see

13:30this section of the

13:32>> Okay.

13:32>> Yeah. This section is is is that other

13:35>> where the chimney is. You can barely see

13:37to get any photos whatsoever,

13:39>> which is really nice to have these drone

13:41pictures because we knew

13:43uh we knew we had shingles missing

13:46because we're finding them on the

13:47ground. We just didn't know. You can see

13:50there's some damage there.

13:52>> Um I think there's a couple missing

13:54here. So having these pictures have

13:56really been able to tell us, okay, this

13:57is where,

13:58>> you know,

13:58>> because you can't, you know, with

14:00binoculars, I can see most of this, but

14:02I can't see this area. Is that

14:05>> Tim? I think when you and Ben met with

14:07us for the preapp, you said there might

14:08be 30 or 40 shingles total across the

14:11whole

14:12>> I would say it's yeah, more towards the

14:1340. Michael, um, you know, when you even

14:15look in these pictures, you can find

14:17them. You know, you can see a couple

14:18right there. Especially on the other

14:21side, we've got some missing

14:22>> and there's sprinkles all over.

14:24>> Yeah,

14:24>> this valley on the other side has some

14:26right in here. You can see a couple

14:28broken.

14:29>> Yeah, the eaves of the church definitely

14:32a fair bit broken.

14:34>> So, you know, it's something we don't

14:36see a leak right now, but we want to be

14:38a little proactive and get there before

14:40we miss lose too many more.

14:42[clears throat]

14:42>> You know, every shingle, the one behind

14:44is the only thing keeping us a leak. Um,

14:47at least we don't we don't see any leaks

14:49right now.

14:51>> And as of right now, Matthew and we've

14:55had the preliminary contract to have

14:58them try and investigate what type of

14:59slate this is because it wasn't Monson.

15:02>> Um, surprisingly,

15:05>> um, so we're looking at different

15:07options for color matching.

15:11There's one out of Vermont. It's a

15:12really close one.

15:20>> You guys have any questions for us or

15:24we'll go with Mike's report.

15:26>> Okay. Yeah. Um and and um Tim and Ben,

15:29I've got a couple of questions and you

15:31can answer them as we get to those. But

15:33wanted to start with

15:35>> uh just a summary of the work then is

15:38for the installation of 15 roof anchors,

15:42>> three snow rails at two locations and

15:45three crosses at the gable peaks. A

15:48little bit of the history of St. John's.

15:50St. John's Catholic Church was designed

15:51by the renowned New York architect

15:54Patrick Keelley in the Gothic revival

15:56style was dedicated in 1856.

16:00Keely came to America from Ireland in

16:021841 designed many Catholic churches in

16:06Maine and New York including the

16:08Cathedral of the Immaculate Conception

16:09in Portland in 1868.

16:12Very important arch.

16:16Um so it's great to see that you

16:20maintaining this building and have been

16:22for years. Um

16:26questions that I had we that came up in

16:28the preapp when we met with you earlier

16:31was first of all I think the return of

16:33the wooden cross if you're replicating

16:35the originals sounds like you are to the

16:37church gables may be considered ordinary

16:40maintenance. Um that's a decision for

16:42the commission to decide but it appears

16:46that they're putting back what was

16:47there.

16:49No, that would

16:50>> that's our intent size. And I mean the

16:52material is going to change.

16:54>> Yeah.

16:55>> Mahogany will last longer. [laughter]

16:58>> I mean it has been

17:00>> what 38 years I think roughly since it

17:02went up there. But um if we can get 50

17:05years out of it that's even better

17:07>> because that's a tough place to get to.

17:09>> Yeah. Exactly. So

17:12I would say the commission may want to

17:14review that and if it's maintenance then

17:16that's just ordinary maintenance.

17:18[snorts] Next point was the new bronze

17:20anchors are at a regular spacing and

17:22will project about 4 in I think we all

17:24agree above the rolled copper roof cap.

17:28The regular spacing you see on the

17:30layout from the applicant they're spaced

17:32out equally so it doesn't have a

17:35dissimilar look. So the little 4 in that

17:38might rise above that copper rolled

17:41roof cap will be slightly visible but it

17:45will at least be everything about the

17:47church is laid out to modules. You can

17:50see these butresses everything is a

17:51modular layout. So I think across the

17:54ridge it'll look like it's always been.

17:57My question was how is the joint between

18:00the anchors and the ridge cap sealed? So

18:03there's a perimeter. These cut up

18:05through that copper cap. Um, and I don't

18:09know, Tim, if you ever been to talk to

18:12Matt or anybody about how they seal

18:14those,

18:15>> but

18:16>> how would uh, so a lot depends on what

18:20when we get there, how it best suits.

18:22They talked about soldering it in place

18:24if it's an option. If not, putting a

18:27sealant around it. Perhaps a mixture of

18:29both is going to be necessary. Um, I'm

18:32still questioning whether there can be a

18:34cap of some sort put onto these.

18:36>> Oh, okay.

18:37>> Um, the point is if if rainwater gets

18:40through that perimeter, it's going to

18:41affect the framing of the church. You

18:43certainly don't want that.

18:45[clears throat]

18:46>> So, it sounds like you're at least going

18:47to seal it

18:49>> or solder it.

18:50>> You can solder bronze to the cup.

18:53>> Um, and how are the snow guards

18:55anchored? I think you've answered that.

18:57Here's the half of that that goes

19:00underneath the slate up above it.

19:01>> It does.

19:02>> Okay.

19:03>> Essentially, it's a slate.

19:04>> It's like a slate shingle

19:06>> with the bronze on the end. I think the

19:08size

19:10is Yeah, they do give you uh

19:13>> Oh, yeah. The base plate material is is

19:15on the spec sheet.

19:16>> And did they say, Tim, what the material

19:18is? What the

19:19>> It's It's made out of bronze.

19:20>> Bronze. Okay. Yeah.

19:21>> Wow.

19:22>> Yeah. Yeah. They're probably pretty

19:24pricey. So it looks like there's little

19:26holes. If I look closely at the detail,

19:28there's holes that are

19:29>> Yeah, there's holes where you would put

19:30it in like a shingle.

19:31>> Okay. Underneath that would be covered

19:33with a slate shingle.

19:34>> Exactly.

19:34>> Yes. Okay. Yeah.

19:35>> So yeah, we'll have to remove shingles.

19:37Make sure it's an anchorable spot.

19:40>> And if we need to reinforce underside to

19:43make that be the case.

19:47>> And that's all I have.

19:50>> Okay. for you guys.

19:52>> Questions for the applicants in the

19:54commission.

20:01>> My very silly question is just because

20:03I'm struggling to orient myself on the

20:05roof.

20:06>> Actually, this is the best picture.

20:08[laughter]

20:09>> This is the one we probably should have

20:11given you, but um you see this uh

20:14Rebecca, I'm looking at the uh the notes

20:17from Mike, the two pages. Oh,

20:21>> the sunny one.

20:22>> Exactly. Yeah. Okay. So, if you look at

20:25that one, um, you can count the

20:28buttresses. One, two, three. Between

20:30three and four is where we're looking.

20:33So, you can see the small roof at the

20:34bottom. That's the entrance door into

20:36the basement of the church.

20:38>> Okay.

20:39>> So, we're looking to put it above that.

20:41And we thought about putting it from

20:42buttress to buttress because it sort of

20:44looked like,

20:46>> right? And I don't know how high up it

20:49goes. It probably goes like two or three

20:51feet up, but I don't know that for sure.

20:53But that's basically where we'd be

20:55putting it.

20:56>> And it's 18 feet from Butress.

20:58>> It's about 18 feet, I think, from

20:59Butress to

21:00>> It's pretty big. It's huge.

21:02>> It is very big.

21:03>> You ever want to come up and get a Dory?

21:05No.

21:05>> Yeah, it's a big church.

21:08>> Not as big as the one they built in

21:09Portland. It's even bigger.

21:12>> All right.

21:13>> Bangor was a big church. Right.

21:17And so that's the rectory side. That

21:19side right there.

21:19>> Yeah. Yeah. The rectory is actually you

21:21can just see the rectory right there.

21:22It's quite

21:23>> Okay. And where the chimney is, this

21:25picture, that is the same one that you

21:27had that picture up here with the snow

21:29rail.

21:31>> Yes. That's actually on the back side.

21:33Okay.

21:34>> Okay.

21:34>> That's that's in

21:37pictures.

21:39>> I don't know if that's

21:41>> this picture. This is that spot. This is

21:43where that snow.

21:44>> Yeah. I'm sorry. It's here in

21:48>> what I was

21:53you can't really see that at all.

21:56>> Technically, we could put that up and no

21:57one's even going to know there.

21:59>> I think Rebecca has a question.

22:00>> I'm sorry. I think Sorry, Katie. I think

22:02that you'll see if I'm if I'm orienting

22:05myself correctly with the church because

22:06I do know this church.

22:09I think that you would see it a little

22:10bit from York Street. Is that correct?

22:13>> Correct. Yes. Okay.

22:14>> Yeah.

22:15>> Yeah.

22:16>> The one on the uh right side of the

22:18church. You will.

22:19>> Right. Okay.

22:20>> Yep.

22:23>> I'm pretty impressed that with a bad

22:25install that roof still lasted 40 years.

22:32>> Pretty impressive.

22:35>> We definitely lost some shingles from

22:38>> And those come down in a hurry.

22:40>> Yeah,

22:40>> those are scary.

22:43All right. So, what would this look

22:45like, uh, Mike, if we did decide that

22:50all of this except for the snow rail is

22:52just ordinary maintenance?

22:55>> The only one maintenance would be the

22:57cross or cross replacement,

22:59>> I think. Yeah, that's what I would say.

23:01I think the crosses were

23:03>> there. They're replacing them verbatim.

23:05>> Yeah. So that's maintenance as far as

23:08I'm concerned, but the commission needs

23:10to review that item. I think I referred

23:13to it. When you look at your ordinance,

23:15it's 14810 A1.

23:18So if you agree that's maintenance or

23:20however you want to act on it, I just I

23:21would see it motion

23:25or can I make an executive decision?

23:27>> Um I think you would need to motion on

23:29that.

23:30>> Okay. I'd like to make a motion that the

23:32replacement of the crosses is ordinary

23:34maintenance and does not need to be

23:36considered by the commission.

23:44>> I second.

23:46>> Yes.

23:48>> Yes.

23:50>> I also Yes.

23:51>> Okay. So, we will consider that

23:53maintenance.

23:54>> Okay. Um,

23:56>> so that leaves us

23:59>> so

24:01good question.

24:02>> Oh, sorry. [laughter]

24:04>> Um, you're pretty confident, Mike, that

24:07this isn't going to be really all that

24:08the actual anchor is going to be all

24:10that visible from street level.

24:12>> About four inches.

24:13>> Yeah, I'm just trying to think four

24:14inches.

24:15>> Four inches

24:15>> from a long ways away is probably

24:18about 100.

24:21>> Yeah. And the good news is that it's on

24:23a very regular space. So it actually

24:26feel like it's been thought out.

24:28>> Well, and like they said, Pat

24:31everything.

24:32>> And the hope with this being a permanent

24:34installation is that we can then

24:36maintain the rest of it for years to

24:38come and you don't have to do this

24:39again.

24:40>> Yeah. No, that

24:42>> very for worker safety.

24:45>> Well, it gets difficult for a worker to

24:47get up there. Yeah,

24:48>> we don't have it in the picture, but the

24:51on the opposite side of this building is

24:54a roof hatch and I think it's in one of

24:57the drone pictures. So, this is how they

24:58went in the old days. They came out.

25:02>> It's on the opposite side here. And I

25:05don't know what they did. They swung

25:06around with a piece of rope. But

25:08>> is that the tiny

25:09>> Yeah, that tiny little door. Yeah, I've

25:11had my head up through there. That's

25:13>> You can come out,

25:14>> Rebecca. That's page 33. the tiny box on

25:17the top of the roof.

25:18>> Yeah, that's a

25:19>> I was wondering I was wondering what

25:21that was.

25:22>> Yeah,

25:23>> you can get out that.

25:24>> No, thank you. [laughter]

25:29>> I wish you likes the idea of us getting

25:30out there.

25:32>> That is so

25:36>> Yeah. Okay. I I don't have any

25:39questions. I think this all makes sense

25:41to me.

25:43>> Do you have any question? My only other

25:45question is you said that the one of the

25:47ways that you might uh deal with making

25:49sure that the anchors don't allow in

25:52water was to maybe put caps over them.

25:54Is that what would those like?

25:56>> Um they talked about creating a sleeve,

25:59>> a flashing cap.

26:00>> Yeah, a flashing cap essentially.

26:03>> Sure.

26:04>> However, in today's world, 3D printing

26:07is pretty phenomenal. So if we

26:10>> Yeah.

26:11weather

26:12>> Well, no. You can 3D come up with a

26:14design and then send it out to a metal

26:15shop and they'll relegate it.

26:17>> You can also uh

26:18>> put ice and water shield on the inside

26:20underneath this cap.

26:22>> Exactly.

26:22>> So you don't you can you can wrap it in

26:24ice and water shield so it it comes

26:27around your anchor on the inside

26:29underneath your flashing. Take that to

26:32about an inch from your flashing so it

26:34goes over the shingle

26:36>> and then your your because that's

26:38actually one of the concerns of folks in

26:40the church. You know, we're going to

26:41make sure We got 15 holes in our roof

26:44now. So, no, we'll make sure it doesn't

26:47>> And if anything, we'll do overkill.

26:49[laughter]

26:49>> Yeah.

26:51Okay,

26:54do you have anything else?

26:56>> Nope.

26:57>> Okay. So, did I close the questions for

27:02the applicants and go in commission

27:05discussion?

27:12They've answered all of my questions. I

27:14don't think that uh caps would increase

27:17the profile more. And I'm just imagining

27:20trying to see a bird on that roof.

27:24>> It's pretty big.

27:26>> Yeah. Yeah. Pretty big. It's far up

27:28there.

27:30>> I think you'd be more likely to notice

27:31snow rails

27:33the cabs, but

27:34>> Yeah. But that's that makes a lot of

27:37sense to me for safety.

27:38>> Yeah. Can't just keep counting on luck.

27:44[laughter]

27:47>> Can I actually pose one question to you

27:49with the crosses?

27:50>> Sure.

27:51>> If we were to put a bird deterrent on

27:53top of those, is that an issue

27:56because I do see birds land on them,

27:58i.e. eagles and such.

28:00>> Um, which is pretty cool at the same

28:02time.

28:04>> Yeah, [clears throat]

28:05I have a great photo of it.

28:07Is

28:07>> there an issue with having them there?

28:10>> I'm just thinking

28:11>> eagles are okay, just not pigeons. But

28:13we haven't had a lot of pigeons on that

28:14side of town. I don't know why, but we

28:16don't see

28:17>> the eagles came back.

28:19>> We have bats and stuff, but we don't

28:21really see a lot of pigs over there.

28:23>> The nixelite like you probably have here

28:25on city hall is like a spiky thing.

28:27>> Yes,

28:28>> it goes on. It's probably looks like

28:29porcupine.

28:31They're probably three inches long to

28:33keep any bird comfortably sitting

28:36something.

28:36>> We do actually have to have them in the

28:38bell tower.

28:39>> Exactly.

28:39>> It I would just say is if they're not

28:42visible because it could be distracting.

28:45>> Yeah. I was trying to picture one of

28:47those those crosses on there covered in

28:50spikes which

28:52>> crosses covered in spikes but

28:54>> I don't think that's the vibe that the

28:57>> church is going for or whatever. So like

29:00wast like that either.

29:02>> No.

29:04[laughter]

29:04>> I mean I know it's a functional thing,

29:07>> but I think if it's I think like Mark

29:08said, if it's not visible, it's probably

29:10not an issue.

29:12>> Yeah.

29:13>> So we can see what it looks like when

29:14it's up there.

29:15>> Yeah.

29:16>> But no, we haven't had pigeons for a

29:19while that I've seen.

29:20>> Well, we have the crows and seagulls and

29:22eagles land on it.

29:23>> Yeah.

29:28You got people worried about osprey

29:29trying to nest up there.

29:30>> Oh jeez.

29:32>> Yeah, that'd be fun.

29:33>> What is the original? Do you know? It's

29:35a type of wood, but do you know what

29:37kind of wood?

29:38>> It looks like it might be just a

29:40>> spruce

29:41>> or a hemlock or hemlock.

29:43>> I was going to say it doesn't even look

29:44like it was pressure treated.

29:45>> No.

29:46>> No, it doesn't.

29:47>> No. The the the piece that we have on

29:49the ground

29:50>> um it looks kind of like a hemlock type

29:54of wood. It looks

29:55>> Yeah. Um,

29:57>> mahogany will last.

29:59>> That's what we're thinking.

30:00>> And you can see that it rotted right out

30:01at the base.

30:03>> Yes,

30:03>> it rotted just just as it was going

30:05through the roof. It It's really dry

30:07rotted there. And that's the wind just

30:08took it down one day.

30:10>> Yeah. The only thing I would worry about

30:11with the spikes is just visually what it

30:14might look like.

30:16>> Yeah. And we probably won't do it. I was

30:18just curious of the question.

30:22Okay. Any other comments, Rebecca or

30:27>> good?

30:28I think I'm good. So, I will close the

30:30commission discussion. Do we have any

30:32members of the public on that would like

30:34to ask questions?

30:37>> I stop sharing.

30:42>> No. Okay. A public comment. Anybody in

30:45the hallway? And uh then I think I would

30:47entertain the motion that I can come

30:49through and find our

31:02motion

31:04and I'm assuming Anya it's like always

31:06green applies yellow we believe not

31:10applicable with motion

31:12so I think I would entertain a motion

31:14that's procedural background is met

31:18>> um I would like to make a motion that

31:21the procedural background is met uh for

31:24the requirements of this project.

31:28>> I second.

31:30>> Yes. Yes.

31:33>> I also vote yes. Okay. So I guess K

31:36you're going to [laughter]

31:38>> make all the motions. So we'll what

31:41we'll do is we'll make a motion for part

31:42one

31:43>> and then when we get to part two, you

31:46can make the motion that the specific

31:48parts and part two and part three are

31:52not applicable to this application.

31:54>> Okay.

31:55>> And then we'll make a motion.

31:59>> Excellent.

32:00I'd like to make the motion that the

32:02commission finds that based on exhibits

32:041 through two, the application satisfies

32:06historic preservation code 148-9A,

32:10requiring that any alteration of the

32:11historic structure will preserve or

32:14enhance his its historical and

32:16architectural character.

32:19[snorts]

32:19>> I second.

32:21>> Yes. [clears throat]

32:23>> Yes.

32:24>> So, yes. I'd like to move that uh the

32:29commission considers um part two section

32:331 5 6 7 8 and part three 1 2 and three

32:39as not necessary for the determination

32:42of this particular project.

32:45>> I second.

32:48>> Yes.

32:49>> Yes.

32:51>> Yes.

32:52>> Excellent. I'd like to move that part

32:55two part two. The commission finds that

32:58based on exhibits one through two, the

33:00application satisfies historic

33:01preservation code 148-9B2B,

33:05requiring that rehabilitation work does

33:07not destroy the distinguishing qualities

33:09nor character

33:11of the structure and its environment.

33:15>> I second

33:18>> and yes.

33:19>> Yes.

33:20>> Yes.

33:22I'd like to move that only done part

33:25two, right? Part two, part uh number

33:28three, the commission finds that based

33:30on exhibits one through two, the

33:32application satisfies the historic

33:34preservation code 148-9B2C,

33:37requiring that while repair is

33:39preferable to replacement in the event

33:40that replacement of deteriorated

33:43architectural features is necessary, the

33:46feature being replaced in color, design,

33:48texture, and other visual qualities and

33:50were economically feasible materials.

33:54Um

33:57I second.

33:59Sorry.

34:00>> I vote yes.

34:02>> Yes.

34:03>> I also vote yes.

34:06>> Um part two number four. The commission

34:09finds that based on exhibits 1 through

34:11two. The application satisfies historic

34:13preservation code 148-9B2D

34:18requiring that distinctive stylistic

34:20features or examples of skilled

34:22craftsmanship which characterize

34:23historic structures not damaged or

34:25destroyed wherever possible.

34:27>> I second

34:29>> yes

34:30>> yes

34:32>> yes.

34:33>> Um part two number nine. The commission

34:36finds that based on exhibits 1 through

34:38two, the application satisfies historic

34:41preservation code 148-9B2I,

34:45requiring that where wherever possible,

34:47all alterations to structures shall be

34:48done in such a manner that if they were

34:50to be removed in the future, the

34:52essential form and integrity of the

34:53original structure would be unimpaired.

34:56>> I second.

34:59>> Yes.

35:00>> Yes.

35:02>> Yes.

35:03And I move the decision as well.

35:06>> Yes.

35:08>> And therefore, I'd move that the

35:10commission finds that based on the

35:11findings of parts one through two of

35:13section four in this document, the

35:15project meets the requirements of a cert

35:17certificate of appropriateness and

35:19thereby therefore grants a certificate

35:22of appropriateness for the proposed

35:24project.

35:26>> I second.

35:28>> Yes.

35:29>> Yes.

35:30>> And I vote yes.

35:32So the project passes 30.

35:38>> Thank you very much for coming from the

35:41chair.

35:42>> Thank you.

35:43>> Good job. Pillow application. Thank you.

35:47>> A good experience.

35:53[laughter]

35:59>> That's right.

36:03Thank you very much.

36:04>> Welcome back.

36:06>> It says we have to start within a year

36:08though, right?

36:09>> Yeah.

36:11>> Depending on whether

36:14>> Yeah.

36:19>> This is our first step.

36:26>> Yes. Yeah.

36:28>> Yeah. Don't want to get in. Brousawi had

36:30some next door but it didn't match. They

36:32we still have some in the directory

36:34that was inside. They added on I don't

36:36know when they added on roof on the roof

36:38on the roof

36:38>> maybe about 40 years ago but they put a

36:40gable into it and they left a slate

36:42there

36:45right here

36:46>> different size.

36:47>> It doesn't match

36:49match somebody in Bangor I'm sure

36:50because it would have the house was

36:52originally 1880s.

36:54>> Yeah.

36:55>> It was like 30 years after the church

36:56>> list that on marketplace or something.

36:58>> Yeah. Thank you very much.

37:00>> All right. Thank you.

37:01>> As a person with a slate roof, it's

37:03awful.

37:09>> There should be like a place where slate

37:12is coming off a roof anywhere in Maine

37:14can kind of be saved, salvaged.

37:18>> Yeah.

37:20>> Vermont.

37:21>> Goes back to Vermont.

37:23>> Yeah, there's a guy

37:26redistributes it. Yeah.

37:28>> Is there a place in um Auburn that takes

37:31historic building materials?

37:32>> There's architecture. There's one in

37:34Connecticut that's huge.

37:35>> The place in Mos.

37:39>> Oh yeah, that's another one in Portland.

37:40There's one in like or

37:43>> I think the one was the one in Portland.

37:45>> The one in Portland.

37:50If you need some Italian brackets or

37:52something for your kitchen, you go in

37:54there

37:56[clears throat] and find them. But every

37:58kitchen needs every kitchen.

38:02[clears throat]

38:02>> All right, you guys ready to do this?

38:05>> Y

38:06>> I wish

38:10you can email presentation.

38:14>> What's that?

38:14>> Can you email the presentation out?

38:16Yeah, anyone any and you commissioners

38:18can get copy of it, I would suspect

38:21through Matthew.

38:22>> Um, so how do we do the There's a mouse

38:27someplace.

38:28>> Do you want the mouse?

38:29>> Uh, maybe. I don't know, but

38:38Right. So, for those of you that

38:41remember, we did character defining

38:42features of Bangor's residences. the

38:45houses and we based it pretty strongly

38:48on the architectural styles which we're

38:50going to do here as well. And my point

38:54about that is if there's anything that's

38:57affecting what are considered the

38:58character features of each one of these

39:00styles, there's something that affects

39:02that that's serious. That's a big

39:06change. Okay,

39:09so start with this one. um back when

39:12Epic Sports used to be downtown. You all

39:14remember that. They had a nice presence

39:17there. That building is still there.

39:18It's a very tough building. Um was the

39:21WT Grants Downtown Department Store. Uh

39:25originally

39:26um I had worked on this building

39:29upstairs when the University of Maine

39:31moved in. We basically made um space for

39:35them, open office space on the upper

39:37floors of this building. But um

39:41so downtown on major arterials we have

39:44uh merkantile, business, hotels,

39:47churches, civic buildings, theaters, all

39:50of those are considered commercial.

39:52Anything that's not residential say

39:54commercial. So,

39:59our Bangor house, one of the most

40:01important commercial buildings in

40:02Bangalore, once graced the cover of the

40:05National Park Service, Secretary of the

40:07Interior standards for the treatment of

40:09disturbed properties. That was wonderful

40:12to see that kind of presence nationally.

40:16People would say, "Oh, what a lovely

40:17building." And it has been restored

40:19largely to uh what it was originally.

40:23The building was um just so you're aware

40:27it was designed by Boston architect

40:28Isaiah Rogers on 1830 the date of this

40:32one 1833

40:35and uh some other pieces of this

40:39building like the porticle that you see

40:41right here were attributed more to

40:44Charles Bryant. Charles Bryant being the

40:47architect that we talked about in the

40:49residential section about his signature

40:52which was columns with wreaths above it.

40:55So when you see that you're probably

40:57looking at something that involved

40:59Charles Bryant.

41:02This is an important example of a what's

41:04considered a grand hotel. Um, and it

41:09pretty much followed Isaiah Rogers

41:11design pattern that he did a couple

41:14years prior to this for a hotel called

41:17the Tmont in Boston. Very simple. I got

41:20to point out something though that

41:21architecturally is just amazing. What he

41:24did here was the joint of these two

41:28faces are not 90 degrees together. The

41:31streets are spled. So in order to cover

41:34that up, if you will, in order to make

41:36that controllable visually, was that

41:38they come together just to one sharp

41:40point, you would have realized pretty

41:42quickly that they were not 90 degrees.

41:45So they're off by about 10 degrees. And

41:47so what he did very cleverly was develop

41:50this bay that you see, this arched bay

41:54on the outside corner, and did the same

41:56thing in Boston on the Tmont. So just

42:01the sort of things that you see in

42:02buildings like this. This building was

42:04restored in the early 80s. I think they

42:07actually put back the chimneys that you

42:09see up there. Those were gone from the

42:11building. They um the one thing they did

42:14not return was you do not have these

42:17windows up here returned into the upper

42:19attic space. But window patterns were

42:22six over six. There's a lot of

42:24distinguishing characteristics of this

42:26building. the base being a a stone base

42:30that elevates the brick portion up above

42:32it. Very important details. I don't know

42:36if you're all aware, but right across

42:38the street here in the parking lot for

42:40the um for the Zilman Art Museum

42:44was downtown Sears and Robuck. And Sears

42:48and Robuck uh

42:50did a very unusual design here in

42:53downtown. This photograph is probably

42:55from the 40s, I guess, back when it was

42:59two-way traffic. So, anybody trying to

43:02pull onto this street knows about some

43:04of the issues with that. You can see it

43:06was two-way traffic. Um, the rest of

43:09these buildings that are up beyond these

43:12from this point on are pretty much

43:14intact.

43:16Uh and so as commercial buildings, you

43:19see this kind of um amalgam of buildings

43:23that feature certain things similar to

43:26one another. Um often times after the

43:29great fire, most of the buildings that

43:31went back in downtown were brick and

43:33masonry because they didn't want to

43:35return to frame buildings that burned up

43:38so easily.

43:40So that's what we have today. So uh and

43:43in the very distance over here you can

43:45see um

43:48building that is nine central I think or

43:52uh 9 state 6 state street 6 state street

43:54the one with Caroline own

43:58so buck um when this building came away

44:01and got torn out of here it developed

44:03that big front courtyard that parking

44:05lot you see there today so I'll read

44:08this um in your ordinance basically says

44:11rehabilitation work shall not destroy

44:13the distinguishing qualities nor

44:15character of the structure and its

44:17environment. What that could mean for a

44:19building like this which is called the

44:21curve block uh important wiler design

44:26um is what they've done is they've

44:28carried and maintained the important

44:31relationships of the windows within the

44:34openings. So, what you're seeing here is

44:37um this is really powerful contribution

44:40elements to the architecture of the

44:42building, the arch tops. Uh so, if they

44:45were to come back in and said, you know,

44:47we've got an application, we really

44:49wanted to use some of these other

44:50windows. They're just square and we're

44:52just going to fill in the top of that.

44:55The commission may take issue with that

44:57because this is really clearly a

44:58distinguishing element. it shows a

45:00higher level of quality

45:03put into the building or we might want

45:06to take these corner uh brackets off

45:08because there's so much work for us to

45:09maintain. I'll never forget when this

45:11application did come in years ago, they

45:14said we're going to do something on the

45:16rooftop and it won't be visible from

45:18anywhere.

45:19>> So, I guess I fooled them with this

45:22photograph, but this is a really

45:24important building. The commercial

45:25buildings in the downtown, especially

45:27the ones done by Maner, have all kinds

45:29of brick patterning. So, if you look

45:31really closely, you're going to see all

45:33you don't have to go too far to find a

45:36change in what he did with brick. What

45:38he did with brick was just incredible.

45:41Um, pushing it in, pushing it out, and

45:43making these wonderful details.

45:47Character defining features. a prominent

45:49or distinctive aspect, quality or

45:51characteristic of a historic property

45:53that contributes significantly to its

45:55physical character. Structures, objects,

45:58vegetation, spatial relationships,

46:00views, furnishings, decorative details

46:02and materials may be such features.

46:06Um, this was actually a demolition

46:09project right here is an important

46:11Wilford Manser building.

46:16Um, this was called the superintendent's

46:18house. Back when the waterworks was in

46:20operation, superintendent's house and

46:22office were in this building. Um,

46:27the commission denied twice denied the

46:30demolition of this building, citing that

46:32it was an important historic building as

46:35a as a shingle style building. and uh

46:40they the applicant went to the board of

46:42appeals and got approved to tear it

46:45down. So that building is no longer

46:46there.

46:49But what you see here

46:51in terms of characteristics of a

46:53building like this, you see all sorts of

46:55these arch top windows. It's really

46:57reflecting a little bit of a what's

46:59called a Romanesque Roman curve top

47:03window. So, uh, even though it's a heavy

47:06industrial building and this is the gate

47:08house that's out here, still sitting

47:10there today. This was remnants of the

47:13dam that used to be there,

47:16[clears throat] but is no longer.

47:18So, that was last owned um by Shaw is

47:22still currently owned by Shaw House. Um,

47:25and if you don't know the story of it,

47:27um, this was actually a generator wing

47:31right here. Water would rush in

47:32underneath this and it would power

47:34turbines and the turbines generated

47:37electricity. It was used originally in

47:39the trolley car system in Bangalore.

47:43So these were elevated. There was a

47:45flood plane elevation issue where they

47:47had to actually elevate these. So the

47:49occupancies within this bu part of the

47:51building um were for units for uh

47:57apartments if you will that were

47:58generated along this way. There's a

48:01giant pump that existed right about here

48:03inside the building. It's called the

48:05Dean pump. It was one of the first in

48:06the nation. Really powerful water pump.

48:10Uh that's still there that was retained

48:12inside the building. So

48:16So what we have what you have available

48:18for yourself uh to do research on any of

48:22the applicants that are coming in again

48:24is the karma forms. Um, we've done I

48:28think about 500 structures so far uh all

48:31over the city. You can go to MHPC

48:35from MHPC. You go to quick links karma

48:37forms and you'll bring up this

48:39information um which tells a great deal

48:41about each individual building

48:43especially commercial buildings. So I've

48:45kind of highlighted some of the things

48:46that we would note on a building like

48:49the telephone exchange building. Um it's

48:52art deco and modern um in in its

48:55architecture. The tower building uh done

48:58with brick has pressed metal. There's a

49:01stone entrance uh and stone base to the

49:04building and then brick up above it. The

49:07date when it was built, 1931.

49:10All sorts of good information there.

49:13>> Um [clears throat]

49:14just wanted to jump in real quick. Matt

49:16has been working with our GIS guy, John

49:18Miller, to um actually put these on our

49:21parcel viewer.

49:22>> Fabulous.

49:22>> So now when you click on a parcel,

49:26>> that's great.

49:26>> It came up for the on hill house I was

49:28looking at today.

49:29>> Great.

49:30>> Really good job. I didn't know that.

49:33>> It's super duper.

49:35>> Yeah.

49:37good information for like especially for

49:39people that maybe buy historic

49:41properties and don't realize it and

49:44might just learn something.

49:45>> Yeah. And even the houses that aren't

49:47designated yet that we have done surveys

49:49for. That would be cool.

49:50>> Yeah. Very valuable. Thank you. That's

49:52great work.

49:53>> Yeah.

49:54>> Well, um, in downtown Bangar was a

49:56department store freezes, which people

49:59that remember the store really loved it.

50:01It's a good store. Um, but I think an

50:04important thing that I wanted to point

50:05out here was building got reused for uh

50:09elderly housing on the upper floors and

50:11then of course the discovery museum and

50:13other things commercial on the ground

50:14floor. That's actually a pretty static

50:17model in the downtown commercial uh

50:20storefront and commercial on the ground

50:21floor residential

50:23that works pretty well. Um

50:27but I wanted to point out up here the

50:29can the um parapet was very unique. This

50:33is stamped metal and a really important

50:36character defining feature of that

50:37building. Had that been lost something

50:40big would have been lost from the

50:41architecture of the building. It was

50:43retained. One thing I noticed too is the

50:46architects when they did this building

50:47over, I think it was Lewis and mom out

50:49of Bucksport, they actually added

50:51another corners right here, which is an

50:53interesting idea because it increases

50:55the base of the building and actually

50:58makes and they change color the base to

51:01the upper part. So it looks more like

51:03this on the left here now. But I thought

51:05it was wonderful that they were able to

51:07retain that.

51:09So, [clears throat]

51:12I can send you all or I'll send it

51:14through Matthew and Anya, this

51:17illustration, which is one that I did

51:19years ago, but it basically points out

51:21all of the really important parts. So,

51:24when you speak about what's going on the

51:26side of a downtown building, this will

51:29give you a pretty good uh description of

51:31what those pieces are and what makes up

51:33the building's elements.

51:36So

51:38to me, one of the most important parts

51:40happens below the sign band from this

51:43point on down

51:46to the ground floor

51:48is where change really can happen in the

51:52downtown. We've had many applications

51:53that come in that want to modify their

51:55storefronts. Um a few maybe even return

51:58it back to what the storefronts look

52:00like more originally. uh which brings it

52:03back in line visually with what was

52:05there. Um to point out a couple of key

52:08parts of what makes up the storefront.

52:10This whole thing is considered a

52:12storefront from this cornis above the

52:14sign all the way down to the ground.

52:17This is the storefront of the building

52:19and it's often treated quite differently

52:21than anything above the building. This

52:23happens to be another Wolfford Manser

52:25building. And what he did here was just

52:27so very amazing. His

52:32boy, I would love bringing this guy up.

52:34He changes the angle here, which is

52:36really quite interesting. He breaks the

52:39building on this line right here, and

52:42had he come out square, I don't think it

52:44would have had the same result. Very

52:47clever. Um, he just about matches what

52:49happens on this side. The guy was in

52:52love with arches as you can see.

52:54Whenever he could make an arch out of

52:56something, he would do it. And in this

52:58case, it's it's a very substantial

53:01series of arches here and then smaller

53:03arches above it and then in the corners

53:05even arches up here make up the brackets

53:09of the arch. So he will sometimes break

53:12brick. If you look closely when you go

53:14to this by this building again, you'll

53:16see that the perimeters right here are

53:18what we call articulated masonry where

53:20he's basically cracked the brick and

53:22exposed the broken surface of it to give

53:25up shadow. So very clever. What he was

53:28doing with brick was just amazing. So

53:32sometimes we'll have applicants come in

53:33and I'm not sure they fully understand

53:35the importance of the sign band, but

53:37that was always intended to be to

53:39identify the building um between the

53:42cornice and a storefront glass would be

53:45a section and a flat band and we've seen

53:47it on a couple of applications that have

53:49come in. Um you saw it on the what was

53:52considered the Boston button store one

53:54um that one still retain this band.

53:57That's an important thing. The other

53:59thing to notice is many of our downtown

54:02commercial buildings have recessed

54:04entrances. Um that's complicating today

54:08because ADA access into the building is

54:11compromised or can be compromised. You

54:13can retain those those uh first of all

54:16the reason that they did it was to

54:18double their uh display area. You have a

54:22display window in the front, but then

54:23also you would you run an angled glass

54:26wall in to the doors and you continue

54:29your display around them. Those are

54:31elevated. You remember we talked about

54:33the bulkhead. The bulkhead is this

54:35section down here, which usually frames

54:38up and pushes up all of the display

54:40elements for visibility. And many of our

54:45downtown buildings also use these

54:47bulkheads to access access the basements

54:50when they used to run coal down to the

54:52lower levels. So they may have prismatic

54:54glass in them. Nowadays many of them

54:56have been uh boarded over. You don't see

54:59them so much.

55:02Um this brief is available. Uh I think

55:05you guys know that the National Park

55:07Service has these preservation briefs. U

55:10they are very helpful. This is just a

55:12cover of uh preservation brief number 11

55:15which talks about storefronts and what

55:17the important elements of those are and

55:19how to bring it back. So looking at the

55:23Nicholls block. Oh by the way that's

55:25another Manserville.

55:27Um you see what he did here again large

55:30arches here um radiating rip patterns

55:34and then picking up. This is just

55:36incredible articulation. You don't see

55:38that.

55:40Matter of fact, you don't see any of

55:41this detail in any modern buildings

55:44today. But what he did here that was

55:47important is that he also continues the

55:50spring line. The spring line is where

55:52the arch begins. He carries the spring

55:54line across all the bars of the windows.

55:57So they're broken up into a module that

56:00that aligns itself with that very

56:02logically. Um, but I wanted you to see

56:04the storefront here. This was all

56:06covered up. Um, I was actually involved

56:09in this project and we bank was in here

56:11for a while and they basically stuck

56:13some big plywood things over this and

56:15nobody knew what was back there but I

56:17had an idea that Manser had started to

56:21use cast iron more so. So about this

56:24period 1889

56:26he would have used cast iron columns

56:29which you see here and then he would

56:32have had cast iron beams here. So cast

56:35iron was just becoming very

56:37possible a new material uh about the

56:40turn of the century or just a few years

56:42before. So you see starting to see that

56:44influence in the downtown either their

56:47stone uh pilasters or columns or their

56:51caston. So here we're able to maintain

56:54the recessed doors and still make them

56:56accessible. When a person gets up to a

56:58certain place you can they can push the

57:00button and the door will open in not

57:03out. Um, so good example of again what's

57:07important character defining features on

57:09this building uh are the storefront that

57:12was returned pretty much to the way it

57:14originally looked. But here's you guys

57:17had a couple months ago you had an

57:19application for the Boston Button store.

57:21You remember that? That was this

57:23building right here was it's where the

57:26um Happy Endings Shop is now.

57:28>> Yeah. They had come in for I think they

57:31were doing some work across here and

57:35what we recommended was that they

57:37maintain the same coloration. You can

57:39see they painted black columns and they

57:42came all the way up and included the

57:43corners above the sign band. So you the

57:46commission said that's important to keep

57:50do that. So now when you look at it

57:52you'll see that that's all integrated.

57:54You've got the columns painted in the

57:56same color as the uh as the coins and

57:59the bed above it. So, here's what early

58:02the very earliest forms of storefront

58:05were more like large windows. And so,

58:08what you're seeing here is pretty much

58:11just a large window. And there was

58:13framing systems that you could order.

58:15This was 1903 or so. Um, so you could

58:20send away for these pieces and you could

58:22put together, you know, a storefront in

58:25wood. So wood was uh the common

58:28material. They knew what they were

58:29trying to do was to get displays. This

58:31has a recessed entrance, by the way,

58:33which is kind of modern that time. This

58:36building, by the way, um, you look at it

58:38today actually added in time another

58:42floor above this. So you have one, two,

58:45three, you have fourstory building.

58:48And they kept this cornice line right

58:51here and Maner did some new arches up

58:54above it. So it's now a fourstory

58:56building. Interesting. Um

59:00after the wooden um the the storefront

59:04systems that came up after that which

59:07were more uh in keeping that we see

59:10today and considered modern. Around

59:131905, Conair came up with a metal

59:17clamped

59:18uh storefront system that we see and

59:22still see in some of the downtown

59:24buildings. It's a very fine perimeter

59:26metal. Um and the store storefront glass

59:30set into that. Uh this was considered

59:33modern storefront design.

59:35>> Was that a regional thing or is that

59:38>> nationally? nationally and and uh

59:41components and parts for buildings could

59:44be ordered and in this case Coner which

59:47I think was in Michigan um and they may

59:49still be there today. There's still a

59:51large supplier of of aluminum. This may

59:55be Conair right here that was used in

59:57this project. So over here on the left

1:00:00you kind of see the these are the parts

1:00:01of a commercial building in the downtown

1:00:04building. Here is the storefront again

1:00:06happening below the storefront cornice.

1:00:09You often times have another cornice at

1:00:11the top of the building. Matthew, how

1:00:14did we get rid of that?

1:00:15>> If you hover over the green part, the

1:00:18>> Oh, yeah.

1:00:21>> All right.

1:00:22>> Maybe I would have pressed.

1:00:23>> There we go. Thank you. So, this is what

1:00:26we see in the downtown. It's very much

1:00:28like this. Um, but one thing that's

1:00:30important to notice is this is really a

1:00:33a way to architecturally align things so

1:00:37they balance with transom windows. You

1:00:40have lower display windows. You have

1:00:42higher transom lights which bring light

1:00:44into the interior of the shop which was

1:00:47usually rather deep.

1:00:49Standard module for commercial buildings

1:00:51is basically a 12 foot width module and

1:00:55a 60 foot depth. So in a 60oot depth,

1:00:58you have to charge light off the

1:01:00ceilings to get out of the back. So

1:01:02transoms were important. So they would

1:01:04run that glass up as high as they could.

1:01:05The doors are usually around seven. So

1:01:08we're adding about another 3 ft. So

1:01:09you're at about 10 ft at this point. If

1:01:11you want to see what that looks like,

1:01:13any of the buildings that this is a good

1:01:16example right here. So 7 feet of the

1:01:19three feet to the transoms. But the

1:01:21transoms are important. um is the reason

1:01:24that I'm mentioning those is if they're

1:01:26looking to take those away that would

1:01:28reduce the character defined features of

1:01:31this building to tell you that it was a

1:01:33historic commercial building. Again, the

1:01:35bulkheads in Bangor, these bulkheads

1:01:38when they would frame up to to display

1:01:40kick the display up few feet, these were

1:01:43often times used. They either provided

1:01:46prismatic glass which was light into the

1:01:48basement so they had a little cutout and

1:01:50that light would go down or they would

1:01:52be panels that could come off and uh you

1:01:56could they could send the coal down

1:01:58there. So 1840 to 1880 the cast iron

1:02:01storefronts were really coming into

1:02:03popular use. Um

1:02:07Louis Morrison owns a building up here

1:02:09at the end of on Columbia Street. This

1:02:12is a beautiful building. If you look at

1:02:14it today, this is the one last bay of

1:02:18what was a continuation of and repeating

1:02:22that same form all the way down to the

1:02:25next street which is the one that's in

1:02:27whatever that cross street I think it is

1:02:29in front of the Baptist church. So all

1:02:32the way down that was all taken out in

1:02:34the co- building which was you at your

1:02:36last meeting you did a ice cream shop on

1:02:39the corner of the coal building on Main

1:02:41Street. This is the co- building but

1:02:46sorry um but you can see very clearly

1:02:49here the use of cast iron. These are

1:02:51cast iron formed columns here. uh a

1:02:55return. This was all maintained in the

1:02:57original building and this very thin

1:03:00development that you see right here

1:03:02maintaining the glass is very close to

1:03:04what the original cont.

1:03:07So it was a system it was becoming more

1:03:09scientific and and more control from the

1:03:12nation and

1:03:15I [clears throat] think if you look

1:03:15closely here you can see what was

1:03:17probably

1:03:19light provided down into the basement.

1:03:22That's important that if that exists,

1:03:24that's an important character if I'm

1:03:25future to try to keep. So the commercial

1:03:28building architectural styles that we're

1:03:30going to talk about briefly, I'm not

1:03:32going to spend a lot of time. Um, but in

1:03:35downtown Bangor, we have such an

1:03:37incredible mix. You pretty much have

1:03:40most of the these styles covered. So in

1:03:43Bangor, if you look at the uh detailing

1:03:45of the uh opera house, the Bangor opera

1:03:50house, it's an Egyptian revival

1:03:51building. Egyptian revival was not

1:03:53uncommon for theater buildings from the

1:03:55west coast all the way to the east

1:03:57coast. So look closely and you're going

1:04:00to see these wonderful little pylon

1:04:02details like you see here. You're going

1:04:04to see all sorts of really wonderful

1:04:06details that carry all the way up down

1:04:08the building. They've done a pretty good

1:04:09job of keeping this one here. again is

1:04:12important very important um can uh

1:04:15parapit detailing at the top then in

1:04:18formed metal so Egyptian revival you

1:04:21don't see a lot of that so starting in

1:04:23the beginning periods of Bangor's

1:04:25development the federal period um

1:04:28buildings from the early 1830s

1:04:30uh going up or even older there are

1:04:33simplified massing the massing means the

1:04:36bulk of the building the ship the pieces

1:04:39that put it together. There's

1:04:41symmetrical openings as you can see

1:04:43here. A pattern of symmetrical openings.

1:04:46Double hung windows were common on this

1:04:48building which was done down below. Uh

1:04:51se seminary uh might have been housing

1:04:54for students like in an overflow called

1:04:57the louder house 1831 just about the

1:04:59same time as main hall. And what you're

1:05:02seeing here is a projection. This was

1:05:05actually done for fire protection. Still

1:05:07done today where they extend the

1:05:09construction the demising walls between

1:05:11units goes up through the roof a few

1:05:14feet. And what we have here at the very

1:05:16end is what's called a parapited gable.

1:05:20So whenever the gable at the end extends

1:05:22above the roof, that's considered a

1:05:24parapited gable. You don't see that a

1:05:26lot either.

1:05:29Again, we talked about this one Greek

1:05:30revival style. This is pure Greek

1:05:33revival. The whole building is free

1:05:35revival. If you look closely, you're

1:05:36going to see what look like pilasters on

1:05:38the outer edges and then a freeze band

1:05:41up above. We talked about that in the

1:05:43residential ones. The freeze band of the

1:05:45intab is made up of these components and

1:05:48that you're seeing them built right

1:05:50here. So that appears to be supporting

1:05:53it. It's just a suggestion of uh

1:05:57support. And this is really classical.

1:06:00This is Dora columns. Um what we found

1:06:03when we tore up the one tore apart the

1:06:05ones on the hillhouse which was recently

1:06:08restored up the street the historic

1:06:11hillhouse was their Dora columns like

1:06:13this. Each one of those curves or

1:06:16scolops every two is a separate stave

1:06:20that joins the next stage. So they're

1:06:22cut on a slight angle to fit together

1:06:25tightly. And inside they're hollow.

1:06:28Inside they actually have a at the

1:06:31bottom they have a block that they all

1:06:33nail to. In the middle there's a block

1:06:36to nail to. And at the top there's one.

1:06:38It's incredible that they could mill

1:06:40this out to such high precision. And you

1:06:42see they're tapered. Imagine considering

1:06:44the taper and the joining those pieces.

1:06:48It's just an incredible amount of work

1:06:50that was able to be done in wood which

1:06:52is quite

1:06:53>> the hills the the historical design.

1:06:56>> Yeah. Yeah. We just restored the portico

1:06:59on that and had to take all the columns

1:07:02down.

1:07:03So Queen an we don't have a lot of Queen

1:07:05Anne commercial buildings but here's one

1:07:07on Main Street across from Nevada House.

1:07:10Um Queen Anne has these lovely um

1:07:13nothing symmetrical. Previous styles are

1:07:15very symmetrical. This is purposely not

1:07:18symmetrical. They will join unique

1:07:21massings of the building like turrets

1:07:23coming into the corner of a hip roof.

1:07:26They're just going for it. And it has

1:07:29lovely pattern work, you know, that goes

1:07:31on across the buildings. This is all

1:07:34critical stuff to the definition of the

1:07:36character defining features of this sort

1:07:38of building. um geometric shapes, big

1:07:41arches, panel work, really quite lovely.

1:07:46Um Richardsonian Romanesque is um is

1:07:50what you're seeing here. Romanesque

1:07:52style that was based on HH Richardson

1:07:54who was a very famous national architect

1:07:57and he was promoting this style and many

1:08:00of his buildings were done in stone um

1:08:03uh and brick. And so what you're seeing

1:08:05is this is a the influence of Romanesque

1:08:09um on buildings like ours Nichols block

1:08:12in the downtown. There is stone work

1:08:15here. Uh oftent times it's very heavily

1:08:17rusticated woman buildings. So you see

1:08:21artshaped features, elaborate cornises

1:08:23like you see here. You see detailed

1:08:25brick uh cladding on the building

1:08:29of 1892.

1:08:31By the way, that was one of the few

1:08:32survivors of the great fire. Fire burned

1:08:35all around it. And actually, if you see

1:08:38the photographs taken right after the

1:08:40fire, many of the windows in the back,

1:08:43many of these front windows were all

1:08:44busted out where embers had come into

1:08:46the building, but they were able to keep

1:08:48it, you know, from catching on fire.

1:08:50>> So, the way the story goes,

1:08:53um, I know you're getting tired of

1:08:56seeing the answers work, but I can't

1:08:58help it. Here, here. He's done something

1:09:01magnificent up at the seminary campus.

1:09:04This was the gymnasium,

1:09:071894. Look at the amount of brick work

1:09:10that's done here. If you ever get a

1:09:12chance, just pull into the parking lot

1:09:14there and just walk around this building

1:09:16and look at what was done because it's

1:09:18amazing. It's stunning. So, they've done

1:09:21some changes in the windows over time.

1:09:24I'm not sure if they came to the

1:09:25commission for this. Some of this may be

1:09:27original. Um, some of it may not be, but

1:09:31again, we have products that are going

1:09:33to last a long time. Slate, copper,

1:09:35brick, all [snorts] weathering pretty

1:09:37good. This building 1897, so he's busy

1:09:40in that period. Did the host five

1:09:42firehouse up there on State Street.

1:09:45Again, a very detailed uh Romanesque

1:09:48style building with a tower. This the

1:09:52bell tower.

1:09:54Very interesting.

1:09:56[clears throat]

1:09:57take up a collection for this one after

1:09:59the meetings.

1:10:00>> Yes, please.

1:10:02>> We all want this to be saved and there's

1:10:05some hope that they're working towards

1:10:07that. That's all I'll say. Mains

1:10:08people's fund is something they're

1:10:10trying to seek money for. So, there's

1:10:12hope that could be saved. This one is an

1:10:15Italian building. You see paired

1:10:18windows, paired arch windows, you see

1:10:20paired brackets. Um, all of this speaks

1:10:24about an Italian building.

1:10:26um emphasis is on the massing o um over

1:10:30verticality. By that what they mean is

1:10:32each one of these tower sections are

1:10:34broken up into discrete mass pieces that

1:10:39all fit together. They architect wanted

1:10:41you to see that and study that and just

1:10:44be amazed by it. There is a twin to this

1:10:47building almost a verbatim twin. The

1:10:49architect John Towel um did another one

1:10:52in Portsmith. on their historic downtown

1:10:55square and

1:10:57>> is almost exactly like this. Did it

1:11:00about two years later. So in the

1:11:02downtown Bangor in the section called

1:11:04West Market, we have Second Empire

1:11:07buildings all in a row that were saved.

1:11:10Um thank goodness they were saved. Um

1:11:13important buildings. Um you'll see

1:11:15mansar roofs on these. Um window hoods

1:11:18are pretty common. You see the hoods

1:11:20above the windows articulated. Um, a lot

1:11:24of detail goes into these buildings.

1:11:25Detailed slate roofs. These are slate

1:11:27that usually have geometric patterns to

1:11:29them. That's the Phoenix in in the

1:11:32middle brackets at the upper corners. A

1:11:35lot of very detailed work. Um, this

1:11:38actually was not copper originally. This

1:11:40was slate, believe it or not. The early

1:11:43photographs of that

1:11:45very important group of buildings right

1:11:47here in the downtown. So, we've had

1:11:50applicants come in and do things to

1:11:52their storefronts.

1:11:54um not making them any worse, but

1:11:56they're certainly not trying to get back

1:11:58to what they would originally look like.

1:12:01Because to find the when when you as a

1:12:04commission review these, you might if

1:12:06the applicant doesn't provide it, you

1:12:08might want to search out what the

1:12:10original storefronts look like before

1:12:13and maybe share that with the applicant

1:12:16to see if they um understand the

1:12:19importance of things. Um, this style

1:12:22called neocclassical really is powerful.

1:12:25It's um the sort of thing like a

1:12:27courthouse building like this. When

1:12:29you're walking in here and you're

1:12:30looking up at this architecture above

1:12:33you, you know, serious business is going

1:12:36on in this building. That's what it's

1:12:38telling you. This is a serious building

1:12:41and uh very powerful, very wellmade. Um

1:12:46again and articulated in such a way that

1:12:49any changes they did the commissioners

1:12:52did change the windows here. They went

1:12:54to a modern window but they kept the

1:12:57exact pattern of the windows. So they

1:13:00had transoms above these operable

1:13:02casements. They maintained that around

1:13:04the whole building and they didn't mess

1:13:06with these ones up here which are rather

1:13:08important. So we have a stone base

1:13:11basically to to this this front uh arch

1:13:15uh gave top strongly symmetrical these

1:13:19buildings are. The Bangalore Savings

1:13:20Bank is a good example of the historic

1:13:23building of uh a neocclassical building.

1:13:27They basically threw everything at it.

1:13:29They've got classical shapes here um

1:13:32based on early and ancient um Greek

1:13:35designs

1:13:37with these pediments over the windows.

1:13:39The detailing of those a lot of detail

1:13:42for a very small building.

1:13:45This is unique, very unique building in

1:13:48Bangor. Um it's prairie style, basically

1:13:51based on the architecture of Frank,

1:13:53right?

1:13:54um his prairie homes

1:13:57which [clears throat] were low and they

1:13:58were stretched out. They were designed

1:14:00to merge with the landscape. He was

1:14:03trying to develop patterns of uh that

1:14:06would repeat the horizontal lines which

1:14:09you see strongly articulated here um

1:14:12that basically anchor it to the ground.

1:14:16So you may have a hipped roof, you have

1:14:18deep overhangs like this. This was

1:14:20designed as a um Bangar railway and

1:14:24electric substation. So in 1911, this

1:14:26was really designed as an electrical

1:14:29substation. And you look at what the

1:14:31architect did was actually these are

1:14:33actually components as part of the

1:14:35electrical systems in the building. And

1:14:38what he did here was on the sockets, he

1:14:41picks up this rather interesting pattern

1:14:43which maybe speaks a little bit about

1:14:45what was going on in the building. You

1:14:47know, I that's just my take on it.

1:14:52>> This is a building that's come to the

1:14:54commission a couple years ago down here.

1:14:56They had some work that they repaired on

1:14:58a flat roof section. Um they did a good

1:15:00job. So, whoever's keeping this building

1:15:03has been actually doing a fairly good

1:15:05job. This is um a later style deco. This

1:15:10is a Deco building on the left. That's

1:15:12the telephone exchange building. And you

1:15:14had within the last what year or two

1:15:17um that AC's transportation building

1:15:20came in up on Broadway that was

1:15:22designated now uh listed on the National

1:15:25Register. Um the difference is that Deco

1:15:30has a vertical emphasis, the height and

1:15:32the tallness and the tower and modern uh

1:15:36is more of a horizontal emphasis. So you

1:15:39kind of see that in the differences

1:15:40between these two buildings. But look at

1:15:42the entry detail. Again, this just bores

1:15:46me. Every time I go by here, I see

1:15:48something. It's an amazing group of um

1:15:52pieces that make up this deco entrance.

1:15:55And it continues on all the way into the

1:15:57building. And I've not been in the

1:15:59lobby, but people say you got to go to

1:16:00the lobby because they carry the deco

1:16:03style.

1:16:05So, there's a lot of really important

1:16:09pieces here that if you affect, you're

1:16:12going to have a serious impact on the

1:16:14character defining features that tell

1:16:15you what this building is. And they did

1:16:18replace their windows. I think within

1:16:20the last 20 years or so, they came to

1:16:22the commission. They put back windows

1:16:24almost exactly like the windows that

1:16:26were there.

1:16:28They've [clears throat] been to the

1:16:28commission because of all of this

1:16:32uh antenna work that goes up on the

1:16:34roof. Every time they make a

1:16:36modification or expand that, they come

1:16:38to the commission for that. I don't

1:16:41think that that really has a lot of

1:16:44influence over this, but that's the

1:16:45commission's decision.

1:16:49And then what we consider just modern

1:16:51modern from uh as international style

1:16:54that came from Europe in the 1920s

1:16:571930s. Um so this building that's sad

1:17:02building up on State Street. Um was

1:17:04probably once a really attractive

1:17:07building.

1:17:10Um,

1:17:12and and the inside. I've been through

1:17:14this building inside lately and it's too

1:17:18bad because some of the detailing inside

1:17:20really feels quite quite interesting.

1:17:24So, they used a Roman brick here. Next

1:17:26time you go by, if you look closely at

1:17:28the size of these bricks, they're like

1:17:30stretched way out. They're very flat and

1:17:32they're wrong. And the intent there was

1:17:34to again for layering to make it feel

1:17:36like it um stacked up and and merged to

1:17:39the ground a bit better. So this is

1:17:42modern. This is called curtain wall. All

1:17:44of this work that you see here is

1:17:47curtain wall. This building the Molton

1:17:49Library up on Union Street. This is all

1:17:51curtain wall. Curtain wall systems are

1:17:54now and they're still used today in

1:17:56modern buildings. Curtain walls are

1:17:58basically systems that go from the roof

1:18:01line down to the first floor and they

1:18:03basically lay in in sections and they're

1:18:06modular. So you get a very modular look

1:18:08to the building. You get something that

1:18:10has patterns to it that look modular.

1:18:13Um,

1:18:15I think if somebody came in and wanted

1:18:17to put in some double hung windows here

1:18:19or something like that, you might say,

1:18:21uh, that's going to impact the character

1:18:23defining features of the building. And

1:18:26modern uh, also can look uh, very much

1:18:30like this building in the downtown,

1:18:32which is a powerful expression is a

1:18:34structural expression. They wanted you

1:18:36to see how the building is structured.

1:18:38They carry all of the structure and the

1:18:40frame lines out to the outer edges and

1:18:43then they fill it in with glass which is

1:18:46a Eden Tarbel building.

1:18:50>> And that is it.

1:18:53Exhausting.

1:18:54>> You're not going to talk about an

1:18:56excellent example of brutalist

1:18:58architecture.

1:18:58>> Oh, I should. [laughter]

1:19:00We should have some brutalist in here.

1:19:02Um, but I think the point is using the

1:19:06styles if they go contrary to what we

1:19:09would consider this is defining that

1:19:11style of building that's can be serious.

1:19:15um little bits and pieces and changes

1:19:18here and there you might argue can go

1:19:20one way or another, but they're doing

1:19:22things like changing window forms

1:19:24significantly and especially a lot of

1:19:26stress here was on storefronts. So, you

1:19:28understand what storefronts are supposed

1:19:30to do, how they're supposed to look. And

1:19:33um right down the street here, the Pearl

1:19:35building was being worked on. We've all

1:19:37seen work going on in that. They're

1:19:39basically gutting that building.

1:19:42So, you see like uh they're they've got

1:19:44uh shoots coming out of the side of the

1:19:46building and they're dropping materials

1:19:48down. Um they will be coming eventually

1:19:51to the commission and I'm real anxious

1:19:53to see what they're going to do with

1:19:54their storefronts because that building

1:19:56had really unique storefronts to it.

1:20:00>> Yeah. Once upon a time. So, that's all I

1:20:04got for you.

1:20:06>> Thanks. Yeah.

1:20:07>> I have one question. I don't know if you

1:20:09know, but um the prairie style building

1:20:12in Bangor. Um do you know what's inside

1:20:16of it?

1:20:18>> I I've not been in it, Rebecca. I

1:20:22>> It might be nice if we could find a way

1:20:24to get in there or see if they would let

1:20:27>> I suspect it's equipment. Electrical.

1:20:30It's probably electrical equipment

1:20:32still.

1:20:32>> Okay.

1:20:33>> I don't know that. But I think that's

1:20:35still it. I guess we could

1:20:38It's maintained so well. I just It's

1:20:41impressive if it's just electrical

1:20:43equipment.

1:20:44>> Truly, it is. Truly.

1:20:47>> What's that?

1:20:48>> It's so

1:20:49>> Yeah. Well, just beyond it is also the I

1:20:52think it's called the Thomas building

1:20:54where Thomas Rods used to be made. The

1:20:56fly rod. The world famous fly rods. So,

1:20:58you look at that one. Just beyond it,

1:21:00Rebecca. Up on the hill going up the

1:21:02hill.

1:21:04That one has all the kit and actually in

1:21:07wooden storefronts um transom windows,

1:21:10you know, display windows, all pretty

1:21:12much original buildings.

1:21:14>> I think they've been to the commission

1:21:16maybe once or twice in in the past for

1:21:19some very minor changes. That's where

1:21:21one loop is now.

1:21:23>> Yeah.

1:21:25So yeah, there's I mean the distinction

1:21:27is Bangra has a lot of unique buildings,

1:21:30commercial buildings, and we didn't get

1:21:32into churches here at all, but um all

1:21:35the churches would be considered more

1:21:37commercial.

1:21:40>> So yeah.

1:21:41>> Awesome.

1:21:43>> Well, keep up the good work you guys.

1:21:46>> Thank you. That was very awesome.

1:21:48>> Thank you. But those are so helpful.

1:21:50Yeah, might all make sense when you get

1:21:54a certain application to come in.

1:21:57>> Yeah, it us language to use.

1:22:01>> Again, I will say that the

1:22:03pre-application meetings that we've been

1:22:05having

1:22:06>> have been beneficial.

1:22:08>> Yeah,

1:22:08>> that applicant who came tonight, I think

1:22:11were they benefited quite a bit from the

1:22:13pre.

1:22:14>> Awesome.

1:22:16And sometimes applicants, you got to

1:22:18picture, I mean, they think they're

1:22:19coming to this really stubborn board

1:22:21who's got to inspect what they want to

1:22:23do with their project. And sometimes a

1:22:27preapp will settle that out, you know

1:22:29what I mean? and make them feel

1:22:30comfortable that, you know, this is a

1:22:32process and it you're going to be fine.

1:22:37No one's gonna

1:22:38>> it's not your project necessarily.

1:22:41But

1:22:43so anyway, take a look at buildings now

1:22:45that you know a little bit more about

1:22:47commercial buildings. Take a look at

1:22:48them and you can see the components how

1:22:50they're built. It's really quite quite

1:22:54sensible and we have some beautiful

1:22:56buildings in the town. We're very lucky.

1:23:00>> Uh do you know the one that I know you

1:23:02know it because it's right beside the um

1:23:04high school John Bapt High School and it

1:23:06used to be in credential building I

1:23:09think.

1:23:10>> Yes. Yes.

1:23:11>> That is my dad pointed out that that's

1:23:14so interesting because

1:23:15>> the um what do you call it when you um

1:23:19put the bricks together like the

1:23:21horizontal one color and the vertical's

1:23:24another color. And and and to add to

1:23:27that, Rebecca, they actually raaked out

1:23:29the horizontal joints. So they're

1:23:32recessed. The the mortar is recessed

1:23:35about a half inch or 3/4. Wow.

1:23:37>> So look,

1:23:38>> do you know where she's talking? It's a

1:23:40one-story brick building. Has some

1:23:42lovely narrow windows with arch top on

1:23:44them.

1:23:45>> Just is on Cooper Milikin was a very

1:23:48talented local architect. He did that

1:23:50building.

1:23:50>> Wow.

1:23:51>> That was original location of Sean

1:23:53House,

1:23:53>> was it?

1:23:54>> Yeah. Okay.

1:23:56>> That's on the same side as John Bats,

1:23:58but the right on the other side.

1:24:00>> It's up at the corner. Yeah. Corner.

1:24:03>> Yeah. I think it's um it's it's like B

1:24:07uh some real estate company now.

1:24:10>> Something

1:24:12halfway. Yeah.

1:24:14>> Yeah.

1:24:15>> So, I mean, modern buildings, modern 50

1:24:18years and older now can be considered

1:24:20for National Park Service listing.

1:24:23>> So,

1:24:24I can

1:24:25>> this building down here, the last

1:24:26building we closed with, could be

1:24:29considered an important,

1:24:31you know, historic building.

1:24:34>> Speaks about the time.

1:24:36One of the things we're losing quickly

1:24:38in the nation are these wonderful gas

1:24:41stations. The gas stations that were

1:24:43done with porcelain panels and stuff

1:24:46like that.

1:24:47>> So, times they're tearing that stuff all

1:24:49apart. But there's Sweats Garage up on

1:24:53State Street up near the hospital has

1:24:55maintained all of that stuff. They even

1:24:57have the red double band going. I'm

1:24:59like, please just save that because it's

1:25:02so unique.

1:25:02>> There was a little building station in

1:25:04Searsport that they

1:25:06>> they bulldozed Jamaica.

1:25:09>> Did that you had like this drive-thru

1:25:11little port?

1:25:13>> I kind of remember that. Yeah.

1:25:15>> I'd imagine the abatement that they have

1:25:17to do for the filling stations.

1:25:18Probably.

1:25:19>> Probably. Oh, yeah.

1:25:22>> That's true.

1:25:25>> That's true.

1:25:30>> Thank you.

1:25:32>> Glad to do it. That concludes our new

1:25:35business. Unless anybody has anything to

1:25:36add once. Okay. So, my one hour party.

1:25:45So if you

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