2026-09-10 - Parks Recreation and Harbor Advisory Committee

01:38And we go.

01:40>> All right. This was a regularly

01:42scheduled meeting of the park recreation

01:44advisory committee on September 10th,

01:472026.

01:49Introduction

01:52left

01:57agenda.

01:59committee member

02:00>> Pamela Crop Anderson committee member

02:02>> Grace Wlette parks and recreation

02:04director and failing AV coordinator for

02:07this committee

02:08>> you agree that Furrow committee member

02:11Chelsea Smith recreation coordinator

02:14Susan Foon I'm the council leazison

02:18Brianna Fry community member

02:21>> okay we don't have the July do we

02:24>> they should have been in the calendar

02:26attachment

02:27I I had a copy. Okay, they were included

02:30in the calendar invite. My but I have

02:33copies. And here are the last.

02:50So the first thing we're going to do is

02:51use the minutes

03:10on the mission statement. He says at the

03:13at the end opportunities that promote

03:15lifelong employment well-being less

03:18while protecting shouldn't be lifelong

03:20employment and wellbeing.

03:23>> Okay. underneath

03:32>> over

03:35uh lifelong enjoyment and Yes.

04:02That's the spelling of my name. It's F R

04:04Y E.

04:08>> [clears throat]

04:09>> And my first name is spelled wrong.

04:11[laughter]

04:19>> Someone else

04:24exotic.

04:26>> Yeah.

04:28Have a

04:53Thanks.

04:57>> Oh, wait. Yeah.

04:58>> No, no, I thought you needed a second.

05:00Go ahead.

05:03>> Thank you.

05:05>> Uh, now we're going to talk about Little

05:07City Park.

05:08>> We are

05:10um something couple things. wanted we

05:13wanted to chat with you all this

05:15afternoon

05:17um at Little City and we

05:20that one specifically. So

05:24we have had

05:27requests and rightfully so to clean up

05:31uh some of the cracking that's happening

05:32in tennis courts. for history and

05:34context. Uh both the courts at Little

05:37City and at Hayford Park were

05:39resurfaced, repainted,

05:43I'm going to say in the neighborhood of

05:45sevenish years ago anyway. So the

05:48cracking that's happening is not

05:50uncommon. Uh so in the short term,

05:54what the crew will do in the next few

05:56weeks, the park maintenance crew will go

05:58and clean out uh and fill in um the

06:02cracks and repaint them and then we'll

06:06seek out uh some quotes to resurface

06:08them yet again. We'll be doing the same

06:11thing at Hayford. So, in the event that

06:13any of you all have heard that kind of

06:15thing about the condition over there, um

06:17yes, we're aware of it and addressing

06:20that this fall. Um we do get asked at um

06:26Little City

06:30um about pickle ball lines over there.

06:35Um we haven't been asked in a while. I

06:38should put that on the table. I don't

06:40know if you all heard pickle ball lines

06:42in the city of your travel. Um,

06:46recall that there are pickle ball courts

06:49at Williams outdoor courts at Williams

06:52Park. Uh, there are outdoor pickle ball

06:54courts at the high school and I believe

06:57at Cohen School.

07:00So, we've held off

07:02uh co-mingling pickle ball and tennis at

07:07Little City for the time being.

07:09uh feel like there's enough pickle ball

07:12opportunities outside currently, but so

07:16just so you know, holding up on that.

07:18Currently, outdoor tennis courts, Little

07:21City, Hayford, and the high school.

07:26Cohen, I'm not sure if it's both or not.

07:28I can't both or not. Uh Chel's going to

07:32talk to you a little bit about uh tennis

07:35programming we've been doing in Hayford

07:37as well as the high school that's been

07:39tremendously successful for us.

07:42The other little project that we're

07:44working on, uh yes, the swings at Little

07:47City are in tough shape as the safety

07:51area below them.

07:54We have some funding available to us

07:57within our current budget to uh replace

08:00and relocate a bay of swings and move

08:03the swings closer to the existing

08:07structure.

08:08Why are we that existing structure? Uh

08:14roughly we'll be replace a timeline.

08:16We're on a rotation again of replacing

08:19play structures. I believe that's

08:22probably at least three to four years

08:25down the line in that rotation as far as

08:27replacement. So at least for the time

08:30being replace the swings and relocate

08:32them closer to the structure

08:35uh and it will look a lot like uh the

08:37swings at Hayford uh Chapen as far as

08:41the framing and archival.

08:44We've been asked to consider at low city

08:49replacing or placing a half basketball

08:52court at at that park. There is not one

08:55there.

08:56>> You currently have half basketball

08:58courts at Stillwater Park, Banger

09:01Gardens,

09:06>> Fairmont. Thank you. Um I believe that's

09:11it. We have full-size quartz

09:15gardens has one but collected for years.

09:17>> Yeah. No, the gardens has one and and

09:20I'll come since you brought that up,

09:22I'll come back to that in a second. Um,

09:25so yes, as I said, Still Water, um,

09:28Garden, Banger Gardens, uh, Fairmont,

09:32um, I missed one again.

09:35I think that's all the half courts.

09:38So a half court could fit within the

09:42existing footprint of the current swing

09:45set locations

09:47and the logic would be if we were to

09:49pursue this was to locate that I half

09:52court in that spot. I share that with

09:55you tonight for thoughts, feedback,

09:59think it over and we'll bring it back

10:01next month.

10:03Staff feels like it could fit there

10:05fairly well. uh serve. I believe they're

10:08still using

10:10uh hoops at the edge of the street in

10:12the street on

10:16there. Help me out with the streets from

10:17Lynon down to Montgomery on each side of

10:21the city. One of the streets on each

10:23side of the city.

10:24>> Does Grant go by it? Uh

10:27>> Grant's the next one down.

10:34At any rate, um, but before we went too

10:37much further, wanted to get some

10:40feedback from you folks tonight. I don't

10:42know if you live over there. Um, it

10:45would fit over there. Um,

10:49orient the court in such a way that the

10:51basket would be

10:54parallel or up against, not literally up

10:57against, but on the same side as the

10:59tennis court. so that Aaron Shaws would

11:02actually get going to the fencing of the

11:03tennis court versus out streets in

11:06theory, but we're not that far down the

11:09road yet. Um,

11:12but again, wanted to share that with

11:13you. Um, we feel like public works

11:16public works has done a similar project

11:18for us as far as repairing a paved pad

11:22at parks rack uh where we had the old

11:26barn utilizing park works.

11:30um to assist with that. Trying to keep

11:33it as in-house as possible, not as

11:35in-house as possible. Uh we try and keep

11:39cost down, but yet uh able to add an

11:42amenity over there doesn't exist.

11:46>> Does Chapen have a basketball?

11:49>> Chapen does not. Uh, one time

11:54there was a tether ball

11:58circle over there on the Park View side.

12:02For those of you in the room that may be

12:04of a certain generation, I believe

12:06there's a waiting pool over there time.

12:09Um,

12:11but I don't believe basketball.

12:15And only reason we're bringing up at

12:16Little City because it's been brought up

12:18to us by residents over there to to

12:23consider.

12:24>> So you're moving a a swing set

12:27closer to another building. So what

12:30>> the play structure?

12:30>> Okay. And then so what is that space

12:33going to look like? I mean I I guess I

12:34don't know what the swing set situation.

12:35So is it going to be like kind of this

12:38dead grass area or I mean it would it be

12:40nice to put something on it so it just

12:42doesn't look like a vacated spot? Yes.

12:45>> Yeah. Will it look will it look odd if

12:48we just pluck that out of there and not

12:50do anything with that other than

12:51>> No, not necessarily. I mean, if we move

12:54the swing set, we would loan seated and

12:56just be more green space. Okay.

12:57>> Um,

12:59by adding the court, we'd have play

13:02structure, swing set, basketball court

13:04somewhat in a line on the tennis court

13:06end of the park. So, it doesn't take

13:08away from any existing green space. Y a

13:13lot of soccer out there too.

13:14>> Yeah. On the London Street

13:16>> end of the And we wouldn't impact that

13:18at all.

13:19>> So the existing green space is used

13:21primarily for those kinds of activities

13:23would stay in place.

13:26>> Most city used to have tether ball as

13:28well. Um but I think your other we have

13:30you have basketball courts at the dog

13:31park too.

13:32>> Thank you. Yes. At house center. So

13:34there are full courts as you mentioned

13:36at Pal Center up to Essex Woods uh next

13:38to Dacon Pool at Williams Park and at

13:41Hayford Park.

13:44To your statement earlier about the

13:45conditions at the gardens we have uh

13:48funding currently throughout rehab

13:50basketball courts. We

13:53public works will be doing the one at

13:55Still Water. They'll go to Gardens next

13:58Gardens next. uh still water that trying

14:01to uh straighten the the um basket up a

14:06little bit and repave the surface. It's

14:09getting incorporated into the street

14:11paving contract. So when the contract is

14:14paving the streets has some time that

14:16surface still on par.

14:20Same scenario played out when we did um

14:22had a line

14:30If if we want to bring it back, let me

14:32know. We can certainly bring it back.

14:33But um again,

14:36>> why don't we bring it back like that?

14:39>> Okay. Come up with a concept thing.

14:41>> Yeah.

14:41>> Okay. Yeah, for sure. For sure. Maybe

14:44start to develop some planner

14:46ideas of what it how it lay out over

14:48there.

14:49>> Go ahead.

14:49>> With the swing set, are you also getting

14:52a new swing set?

14:53>> Yes. I just got to say uh the fairmouth

14:56heart swing set the um the thing where

14:59you put the little infant in.

15:01>> Yeah.

15:02>> You put a baby in like the little bowl

15:04looking set.

15:06>> Well, the one fair has a added thing for

15:08the adult to also sit on the same swing

15:12with the infant.

15:13>> That is the best thing in the world.

15:15>> I appreciate that. Those are So I'm

15:18going to use a vendor specific name.

15:21They come by different names.

15:23Uh in that case they call an expression

15:25swing and [clears throat] that's exactly

15:26what's designed for.

15:27>> Yeah.

15:28>> Uh for adult and child to swing at the

15:31same time. We also have one in a

15:34>> um Yeah. That's from what we've heard. I

15:36appreciate the feedback.

15:38>> Yeah. And my parents came to visit and

15:40they'd never seen one ever in their life

15:42and they said this was the coolest thing

15:43that swing at the same time with their

15:46grandkid. Like

15:47>> we start to incorporate something here.

15:49They put you in.

15:55Yeah, we can come up with some just a

15:57quick sketch of what it might look like

15:58over there and bring it back to you next

15:59month for sure.

16:03Any other questions, comments?

16:07All right, we're going to move on to an

16:09update on Mansfield Stadium.

16:11>> So, I want to share with you and many or

16:13some of you may know already. I know

16:15council certainly is aware of this. Um

16:18it's been a

16:20busy summer at Mansfield.

16:24Usual activity aside, uh we had a couple

16:27ceremonies over the summer. Um we might

16:31have met in July. We met in July

16:32obviously with minutes. So I don't know

16:34if we can't even talk about it at that

16:37time. We had sort of a

16:40rededication, re-recognition

16:43[clears throat]

16:44of the stadium's name for Dave

16:46Mansfield's son, Shawn. Um, a plaque was

16:51was there and the plaque would be

16:53affixed in at the stadium. And

16:58recall, and for those of you that don't

17:00know, uh, the stadium is indeed named

17:02for Shant T. Mansfield. Sean was uh

17:06David Mansfield's son. Um passed away at

17:10an early age.

17:12Uh multiple schools district.

17:18Um so when the kings made the original

17:22gift to the city early on, it was going

17:25to be named David's son Sean.

17:29Another gentleman that is synonymous

17:31with the operation of Mansfield Stadium

17:33is Ron St. Pierre. Um we were talking

17:35about earlier when when Jer came in. Ron

17:38St. Pierre uh has been involved

17:42with activity youth uh here in Bangar

17:46for a long time. Was a former teacher at

17:49Banger High School coach and has been

17:54at Mansfield Stadium from the beginning.

17:56the management of Mansfield Stadium for

17:5830 plus years

18:01was through a management agreement with

18:03Westside Little League and David and Ron

18:07were the managers of Mans Stadium. The

18:10plane surface and much of the amenities

18:12at the stadium exist as they do today

18:16at the direction of Ron St. Gier.

18:19So during the commemoration we had in

18:22June which happened prior to the state

18:25class C

18:28uh high school game

18:30um discussion started about some sort of

18:34recognition for Ron and we came quickly

18:37to the field. So through the summer um

18:42went started the process council was uh

18:48very good very good at recognizing that

18:51the timeline and authorized through

18:54council order the naming of the field um

18:58at Mansfield City St. Pier. So now it

19:02will be known as Ronald J. St. Pierre

19:05Field at Mansfield Stadium. Uh sadly,

19:09Ron passed away soon after the council

19:13meeting when council authorized the

19:15order. So appreciative of

19:18uh being able to

19:21expedite that process. Um

19:25and and having council consider and

19:27approve that. Um having those two names

19:31forever associated with Mansfield

19:32Stadium uh and St. field at Mansfield

19:36Stadium is was important.

19:40If you didn't see it, it didn't it might

19:42still live out on the Mansfield Facebook

19:45page. Uh when we did the naming, we did

19:48the naming ceremony. I

19:50>> apolog

19:54Yeah,

19:56>> I think they've got it a link there. We

19:58did the naming ceremony for Ron um prior

20:02to a the one of the final games of the

20:09Northeast Regional

20:12St. Louis tournament that was has been

20:15hosted here since the World Series left.

20:17Um, I mentioned that specifically

20:20in behind was a variety of individuals

20:23who either uh worked in Mansfield or

20:27played a sport for Ron or Dave and the

20:30ages span generations and it certainly

20:35demonstrated the impact that Ron had.

20:37So,

20:38wanted to share that with this group

20:40specifically. We haven't met for a

20:41while. Um, Mansfield currently, we're

20:44fortunate to have a couple employees

20:46over there who are willing to say and

20:48manage the stadium for us. Both have

20:50worked with Ronn and Dave. Um, know how

20:54how things work over there

20:57or Troy and Adam. Um,

21:02Troy Leer and Adam. I always forget

21:04Adams. Um, yeah.

21:07>> Sorry, Adam. [clears throat]

21:09um they're familiar with the operation

21:12or it's providing a good transition

21:15to transition the facility from that

21:17management agreement we had two three

21:19years ago. So wanted to share that with

21:22you all. Um so it will now be known as

21:25Ronald J. Pierre Field at Mansfield

21:28Stadium and we'll have signage and

21:31plaque for that. There's already a

21:32banner underneath the scoreboard at

21:34right field offense that indicates that.

21:39>> Yeah. And I just wanted to add that I

21:41played under Ron my final year of the

21:44league. Um and that field owes its

21:48appearance to Ron. He was there

21:53anytime they had a problem. If he was

21:55back at home, he'd come help them fix

21:58the problem. And he did everything. He

22:00mowed. He rad. You know, it wasn't just

22:05him telling other people what to do.

22:08To

22:09>> quantify the number of volunteer hours

22:11that both he and Dave had dedicated to

22:13that facility, it's

22:17it's numerous numerous. So

22:22both of them

22:25uh two years ago the Hall of Fame years

22:28ago were inducted in the main baseball

22:30hall of fame. They went in together

22:31which was great. So want to share that

22:34with you. Uh we haven't really met or

22:36talked about it. Mansfield Stadium is is

22:38quite amenity for us for the city. Um

22:43as far as the baseball experience,

22:45you're really not going to find a much

22:47better place in the state. you watch

22:50athletes come here from around the world

22:53when the World Series is here as well as

22:55around the country and and marvel at

22:56what they see there. It's it's a great

22:58thing to see.

23:00>> Right on Friday there

23:04game. I think it was a Legion game at 10

23:05in the morning with Turner. I heard one

23:07of the outfielders say that he didn't

23:09mind having get up at 4 in the morning.

23:11>> Yeah.

23:12>> To play on a field like that.

23:13>> Yeah. It's quite a facility. So, that's

23:17what we've been doing in Mansfield this

23:18summer. They'll be starting to wind down

23:21and we do have a lighting project we

23:23need to complete. Our goal is to still

23:26replace the lights in Mansfield this

23:27fall.

23:30So,

23:32that's what I have to share with the

23:34committee about Mansfield.

23:38They got an upcoming

23:41that uh game. We've got the U

23:46children with special needs to be able

23:47to play.

23:48>> Yes. Uh that happens

23:51not this coming Sunday but the following

23:54weekend I believe. Don't quote me on

23:56that timing.

24:00>> Any questions, comments?

24:05We'll move on to recreation program.

24:09>> Chelsea's here with us tonight. I think

24:11all of you have met Chelsea Smith, our

24:13recreation coordinator.

24:16She is here to share. It's been a busy

24:17summer for us. Um, it's been

24:21uh already starting to be a busy fall.

24:25Um,

24:27I'm going to say what I told her she

24:30didn't need to say to you, but I'm going

24:31to say it to you anyway. Um, as you all

24:34know, uh, facility space continues to be

24:38a challenge for us. So until we make it

24:40work. Um Chelsea has been a great

24:43addition to the the crew. Uh has fit

24:46right in quickly. So appreciate that.

24:49I'll be quiet and let Chelsea talk.

24:51>> It's definitely been busy, but I would

24:53say like good busy. Um

24:56I like it.

24:58Definitely keeps me on my toes. Never at

25:00dull moments. Um I have some flyers. We

25:03just got these out. I think they were

25:08Is it Monday or toothpick? Um, shout out

25:12to Wall Drip. Amazing.

25:16This is our fall and winter

25:19programs. Um, we have another amazing um

25:26staff working with me who helped put

25:28this flyer together. I can't take credit

25:30for how great it looks.

25:36Um, but this is some of our upcoming

25:39fall and winter programs. We're always

25:42adding to it. Um, but I did put together

25:45some numbers for summer that highlight

25:48some of the growth that we've had. So,

25:51we've had a lot of significant increases

25:55across all programs. Um, the Union

25:58Street Athletic Complex remains fully

26:01utilized with our youth and adult

26:05athletic events almost all times,

26:08whether I'm, you know, driving by in the

26:10middle of the day or driving by in the

26:12evening. Um, it's it's pretty incredible

26:16uh how many activities we have going on

26:19out there. Um, one that I'm particularly

26:23proud about is T-ball. So, when I first

26:27started here, I was told that T-ball

26:29would be my my baby. And I didn't quite

26:33understand what that meant until I I

26:36really got into it. And then I found out

26:38that in 2025, we only had seven kiddos

26:42registered for new ball,

26:44which is not even enough to to play a

26:47game. Yeah. Um,

26:51this year we had 71 kids. registered for

26:55two. So, pretty excited about that.

26:58There was a lot of small humans running

27:00around those fields, but I think they

27:02had a great time. It was definitely a

27:04good turnout. Um, I'm just going to

27:07start rattling off some numbers. Um,

27:09Aquazumba is very popular among adults.

27:13They get really into it. That takes

27:15place at Panko. Um, we had 35 people

27:18register for that. um our Bangor blast

27:22summer camp which is run by our uh our

27:27kids cave staff. Um we had 254 kids

27:31registered in that. So that is kids in

27:34grades K through six.

27:37Um we had youthguided canoe trips which

27:40is really cool. Um if anybody knows Jim

27:44Fehey, he's a wonderful man. um

27:47definitely brightened my day when I

27:49bring my kiddos. Today we're hi. I get

27:51to tee him in the mornings. Um he's also

27:54a main guide and we wanted to start

27:57taking advantage of that. Um just

28:01branching out with more of those types

28:04of programs. Um it was already

28:06established, but we wanted to

28:10advertise more and to just see what else

28:12we could do with that type of

28:14recreational programming. Um, so we also

28:17we made it as part of one of our

28:19excursions for the teen extreme camp,

28:22which is geared towards middle school

28:24kids. Um, so we had 13 uh participants

28:29in the youthg guided canoe trips which

28:31was double what we had last year. Um, we

28:34had a summer baton twirling camp which

28:36took place over a week. We had 21

28:38participants for that. We had a culinary

28:40camp which we wrote on our program page,

28:45you know, spots are limited, sign up

28:48now. And I kind of just thought that was

28:49like good advertising, you know, it

28:51filled up in like two days. It was

28:53incredible how fast that filled up. Um,

28:57it wasn't just advertising. It really

28:58does fill up fast. Um, adult softball,

29:02548

29:04adults love softball around here. I was

29:07warned about that when I took this job

29:08and I I don't think I took the warning

29:11seriously. Um I've since learned adults

29:15really like their softball in Bangor. Um

29:19men's draft league, which is also

29:21softball, but it was geared um it was

29:24it's done a little bit differently. Um

29:26if you ever played like fantasy

29:28football, it's kind of like that. Um but

29:31softball. So we had 68 participants for

29:33that. Easter main lacrosse. um 180

29:37participants for that Ram Track Club

29:40that is very popular um that had 109

29:45participants

29:47and then we had uh 46 participants in

29:52one of our newest programs which I'm uh

29:55super proud of uh summer cheer camp that

29:59is brand new to us and it was something

30:01that I had a lot of roadblocks um and

30:06was able to overcome

30:08was able to partner with middle school

30:11coaches and some high school staff. We

30:14utilized um high school varsity

30:16cheerleaders to volunteer and help out.

30:19Um so it was really cool to make that

30:21happen. Um we had all the other sports

30:24so it just didn't make sense that we

30:26didn't have cheer. Um also a little

30:29biased because I have a daughter that

30:30does cheer. Um, so I was really excited

30:33to make that happen. And then when we

30:35had that many, we maxed out, um, we

30:40couldn't take any more people in that

30:41program. So that was kind of it, the

30:44highlights that I wanted to give you for

30:46summer. Um, we also partnered with

30:48Bangor High School coaches and athletes

30:50to provide high quality youth sport

30:52experiences.

30:54One that was new um is a youth football

30:58clinic that was run by Bangore High

31:00School coaches and players. They

31:03enrolled 44 kids through us for free,

31:06which I thought was really cool. So,

31:07they reached out and said, "We want to

31:09do this, but we can't reach as many kids

31:12as you guys can. Can you help us?" And

31:14so we partnered with them and made that

31:16happen and was able to um get 44 kids um

31:21in grades three through five enrolled in

31:24a youth football clinic for free. Um

31:28some additional Bangor High School

31:30summer program.

31:32Uh for sports that are run through us is

31:35boy summer basketball that had 34

31:38participants, girls summer basketball

31:40that had 15. Um, swim fitter faster swim

31:45which is run by the swim coaches that

31:47had 11. Field hockey had 30. Uh, summer

31:51soccer for boys had 51. And summer

31:53soccer for girls had 33. 33 is actually

31:56pretty good for girls because they

31:58didn't have um their coach figured out

32:01until like the last month of summer. Um,

32:05so to get those numbers up there in such

32:07a short period of time was pretty

32:09impressive and they were able to make it

32:11work.

32:12>> Your lucky coach is persistent.

32:15>> She is passionate.

32:17>> Yes.

32:17>> Yes. He's probably watching.

32:21>> Yeah.

32:22>> She's using her son as a mascot.

32:25>> Yes. Watching him run back and forth

32:28with that flag at the games made me so

32:31happy.

32:32>> And he seemed to love it, too. So, I was

32:34there for it. It's great.

32:36>> Um, so Tracy chatted about this earlier.

32:40Um, and I think it's worth saying again,

32:43there's obviously like scheduling

32:44challenges and facility coordination

32:47that goes into some of the programs that

32:50we see here. Um, and some of the ones

32:52that I've listed off. So, Union Street

32:55Athletic Complex, um, it is one of our

32:58most heavily used facilities in the

33:00summer and fall. It's not just used by

33:03our programs. It's used by other

33:05community

33:07uh partners. Um so we're trying to

33:09balance field time and it's increasingly

33:11challenging um because you know we all

33:15rely on that space. But despite that

33:17scheduling strain, we do successfully

33:20accommodate this high volume of summer

33:22programming while we support those other

33:25community partners. Um but our programs

33:28just continue to grow. So, we're we're

33:31working on it. There's been a lot of

33:32phone calls and a lot of scheduling

33:34challenges. I think I was telling you I

33:36had like over a hundred emails that I

33:40was responding to this week and phone

33:42calls just with scheduling stuff. So,

33:45it's fun. Um, uh, looking ahead, our

33:48upcoming basketball season will require

33:50the majority of Angor school gyms.

33:54We appreciate them for sharing their

33:56space with us. Um, we also utilize the

34:00Eastern Main Community College gym in

34:02our own facility to support all youth

34:05practices and games. Um, when we were

34:08doing this flyer, I was like, "Okay, we

34:10just need to really worry about fall."

34:13And then it said fall and winter, and I

34:14was like, "No,

34:16I don't want to worry about winter yet."

34:18Like, I'm not there. Um, but you do

34:20really have to start planning ahead for

34:22that stuff. So looking ahead, um just

34:27we are very grateful to all of the

34:29places that share their spaces with us

34:32so that we can provide these programs to

34:35our community. Um so the coordination

34:37definitely highlights our commitment as

34:40a department to ensuring that every

34:42participant can have the space and

34:45opportunity during these seasons

34:48for soccer and basketball and field

34:51hockey. I said it, Leah.

34:55Um,

34:57so we've also gotten a lot of feedback

34:59from the community that I wanted to

35:00touch on, too. Um, so we heard some

35:04requests from residents um for social

35:08fun, lower impact adult sports. Super

35:11excited for this, too. We launched adult

35:13kickball

35:16which was uh honestly a huge success

35:19because we had about 45 days to launch

35:21it. Looking at our schedule and our

35:26field space and

35:29what we could navigate like softball

35:31ending, soccer starting and where we

35:35could fit it all. Uh and like the time

35:38that we could get the program live and

35:39get teams set up and all these things.

35:41It really took about we had like 45 days

35:44to make it happen which sounds like a

35:45lot. It's it's not that much time to but

35:48eight teams registered

35:50um which is pretty good for the first

35:52year and the amount of time that we had

35:54and the amount of people that have said

35:55to me I didn't know you had a kickball

35:57league I would have joined. So I

35:59anticipate next year will be double if

36:02not triple. Um we also just added an

36:05adult pickle ball clinic. If anybody is

36:07familiar with Coach Rich, she will be

36:10the one running that for us. Very

36:12excited about that. Um, and we'll be

36:14utilizing Easter Community Colleg's gym

36:17for that. We had a summer social line

36:20dancing program, which was a 2-hour

36:23social gathering for people to line

36:24dance. Um,

36:27and then we are working with Bayore High

36:30School teams to help facilitate youth

36:33days for their fall programs such as

36:35field hockey. um cheer and soccer.

36:40Um

36:42and then we have over 300 participants

36:45currently registered for false offer.

36:47Clearly soccer isn't.

36:50Yeah, pretty popular around here. Um

36:54this just got printed this week and was

36:57supposed to be distributed to schools

36:58this week. So I anticipate those numbers

37:01will jump again.

37:04um definitely shows strong community

37:06engagement. We're going to try to build

37:09on the summer cheerleading momentum and

37:11bring that program into winter sports.

37:14Uh had a meeting today to discuss what

37:17wreck cheer might look like for winter.

37:19So the summer one was like a camp um

37:24built out over four weeks and then we

37:26had a showcase at the end. Um, but we

37:28had a meeting today just to kind of see

37:31what opportunities might look like. Um,

37:34we're also introducing guided hikes. So,

37:37those are in the flyer. Pretty excited

37:39about that, too. I mean, if you spend

37:42any amount of time outdoors in Maine

37:44this time of year is beautiful. So,

37:46pretty cool to use the main guides for

37:49that. Um, and there's adult and youth

37:52ones. We heard from a few people who

37:55said, you know, they've always wanted to

37:56go hiking, but they didn't know where to

37:58start. They didn't know where to go or

38:00how to do it or whatever. And we have

38:02people that would love to to bring you.

38:05So, pretty excited about that. Um, we

38:08have the adult tennis program that's

38:09playing at Hayford right now. And most

38:11of the participants in that program are

38:13from our summer tennis program for

38:15adults.

38:17Um, oh, and then another one that came

38:20from listening to the community is, um,

38:23we have a soccer program called Mighty

38:26Mits. And so it's a partnership with

38:28UMain. So they send us some,

38:31uh, college uh, University of Maine

38:34players, and they volunteer and hang out

38:37with itty bitty soccer players that are

38:41age 2 to five. Um, super.

38:44>> It's quite a sight. It's quite a sight.

38:46It's super cute. The little soccer balls

38:48are like it's adorable. Also had to pump

38:51up a lot of the balls. [laughter]

38:55>> So, we cap it at 100 and I was thinking

38:58like, okay, that seems overzealous. We

39:00actually have a weight list now. That's

39:02it's a lot. And then this week and last

39:04week, I've taken a lot of phone calls

39:05from people saying, is there any way

39:07that you can like extend that? Can you

39:10let more people in? And I don't like

39:12saying no to people, but we also I mean

39:14that's a lot of small humans running

39:16around. So

39:18>> at some point you do have to say no. But

39:21um had a great conversation with Tracy

39:23and we're going to pull a program from

39:25the archives um that was called Little

39:28Wrecky's and it introduced kids of that

39:32age to different programs. So different

39:34sports programs like basketball for a

39:37couple weeks, soccer for a couple weeks,

39:39uh volleyball, hockey, lacrosse, you you

39:42get to like choose the sports. Um so

39:44they just get like a brief introduction

39:47to it. They get to play it for a little

39:48bit and then they move on to the next

39:50one. And yeah, and it's geared towards

39:52prek kids. Um and that way as they get a

39:56little bit older, old enough for some of

39:57the other ones you see in the flyer, um

40:00they've already got a taste of it. And I

40:02was kind of surprised when I was talking

40:04to some of these parents. They're like,

40:06"Okay, well, if this is whole, what's

40:07your next prek age program that you have

40:11coming up?" And it

40:13I don't think we have anything. I don't

40:15like that. So, let's make it happen. Um,

40:17and that's what I like about what my job

40:21is is connecting community members with

40:23what they're hoping to do. And we got a

40:25lot of phone calls about the weight list

40:28for Mighty Might. And then I got looking

40:30at other programs and there's definitely

40:32a need there. So I'm excited about that.

40:36Um at least for that early childhood

40:38recreation before T-ball begins again.

40:41Um so yeah, definitely a busy summer,

40:44but uh fall looks like it's pretty busy

40:46as well and definitely um a lot of

40:50involvement from the community and a lot

40:52of support. That's pretty much it.

40:54>> Adult kickball is really popular. Have

40:57you thought about maybe You're having

40:59dodgeball.

41:00>> I've talked about that. Yes. I mean, who

41:03doesn't love throwing things at people?

41:08>> Dodge.

41:10>> Yes. Um, so in that discussion, we

41:13talked about um, Fusion, I believe, used

41:17to have it. Um, so we would just want to

41:19chat with them and see like what their

41:20plans were um, if they wanted to. Um, so

41:24yeah, we are chatting about it and we

41:26don't want to like step on toes and um,

41:29maybe there's a partnership possibility

41:31there. Um, yeah, I'm all for it.

41:36>> Are you saying you want to put a team in

41:38and throw some things at people?

41:41>> I guess.

41:42>> All right.

41:44>> The secret [laughter]

41:46stay back. You let your teammates get

41:48>> and then you

41:49>> you just find what you're good at.

41:51Either you can catch.

41:54>> All right.

41:56>> Any other questions about

42:00>> or any other ideas? Send them my way.

42:05>> Is you guys ever done floor hockey for

42:07kids?

42:10>> Uh, not off the top of my head. the

42:15we did when the program that Chelsea

42:17referenced number years ago with that

42:19group but uh and then

42:22the the kids cave

42:25uh participants will do it as kind of an

42:28activity but nothing structure like what

42:31she's described

42:33um and again just come back to space

42:36space

42:38um

42:40having said that and and you heard it in

42:42Chelsea

42:44um think you heard a few times the words

42:46new

42:48uh more participants. So certainly

42:51having her and addition of Chelsea to

42:54the crew has made our programming a bit

42:57more dynamic and broad. So this diverse

43:01programming happening and appreciate the

43:03effort that Chelsea puts

43:12>> the learn how to row program that they

43:15there was just a day thing on the on the

43:17river. I don't know that was how parks

43:20and reckless like

43:21>> that wasn't us. Uh, and honestly, I

43:25don't know who that

43:27>> was specifically. Uh,

43:35>> okay.

43:35>> Yeah.

43:36>> So, yes, that's

43:39the fourth.

43:40>> Yeah,

43:42>> that was part of the um

43:45the learning best of the uh

43:49Harvey Gamage. That right? They did come

43:52up.

43:53>> Yeah, they came up and part of that

43:55visit was indeed what you're describing

43:58>> because I did it and it was great. I

44:00loved it. My family, we all did it and I

44:02thought it was like a Sunday morning.

44:04Yeah. Yeah. And the guy said,

44:06>> you know, we'd love to have start a

44:07team. I don't know if they talked to you

44:09about it, but the guy said, "We even

44:11probably donate a boat, but I don't know

44:14what that involves."

44:15>> So, that was a positive experience.

44:16>> Yeah, it was great. Okay. And they they

44:19taught us how to row. They had some

44:20people from Belfast come up and I think

44:23the guy might have been from Bowdenham.

44:27>> Yeah, he was really good. It was

44:29>> really cool that you did that.

44:30>> Yeah, that is

44:30>> it was so much fun.

44:32>> That's good to hear because

44:34>> full cander

44:36a the initial route that they were going

44:38to use for that.

44:41Yeah. They won't come back.

44:44They'll be down beyond 395 and they'll

44:45be in Oregon before they know it. And so

44:48they shed the loop up. Yeah.

44:50>> Uh so that's good to hear that it was a

44:51good experience because I agree I that

44:53would be a

44:55Chelsea referenced our our travel camp

44:58for our middle schoolers uh for example

45:00that group on a day to bring them up

45:02here. So I'm I appreciate that. That's

45:04good to hear.

45:04>> Yeah.

45:05>> And actually um you bringing that up

45:08another really exciting adventure that I

45:11got to set up for the team camp was

45:15sailing. Um they got to go on a like a

45:19private sailing trip um out of Rockport.

45:24>> Yeah.

45:25>> Yeah. Um it was just an incredible

45:27experience for them. I mean, none of

45:29them had ever been on a a boat like that

45:33before. Just

45:36just putting like a lot of thought into

45:38the adventures that they were going on.

45:41um and planting seeds and how like one

45:44experience can like how do I pull this

45:48forward in the future and it sounds like

45:50this experience is like how do I get to

45:52do this again so that's it was good

45:54family there were some younger you know

45:56not not probably teenagers and 20s too

45:58and older people it was like

46:02>> you don't mind

46:03>> no you can keep it

46:07>> that's good to hear I wasn't quite sure

46:09how that would go out And the boat was

46:10very stable, so that was good.

46:12>> Never had a boat like that.

46:13>> That's a good question.

46:21>> Does um the city have like a boner

46:24program for like snowshoes or bikes

46:28or something?

46:28>> Not currently. I will tell you that

46:33uh we've had a fair amb discussion with

46:35the greater Bangor uh rural economies

46:40recreate recreation communities rural

46:43economies something like that GVR one of

46:46the things we are trying to implement

46:49somewhere is indeed a gearshare type

46:52program

46:53um

46:55where we land with that often is who's

46:58going to host it where you going host

46:59it, who's going to manage that? Uh, but

47:03a gearshare program, just something for

47:05you just to try. Uh, bike specifically,

47:08uh, with the number of trails just here

47:10in Bangor that you can bike and if

47:13you're a visitor here, how do you do

47:15that without having to buy Rando bring

47:18it with you? So, nothing yet. And well,

47:22a number of years ago, we used to do a

47:24crosscountry rental program

47:27uh through

47:30it was I can't remember the name of the

47:32organization that funded it, but that's

47:34exactly what we did. We rented out cross

47:36country skis for

47:38but nothing currently, but it is still

47:40on the table to try and do something.

47:47Anything else?

47:50All right. Um,

47:54you will give us a

47:56guess brief rundown of things that are

47:59in prog.

48:01>> Um, so I think on there we talked about

48:04Cascade Park. Uh, yes, unfortunately the

48:07pool has and the fountain hasn't been

48:09operating all summer long. I don't know

48:10that I've shared with you and if I have

48:12and repeat myself I apologize but we had

48:16run into some pretty significant leaking

48:18and mechanical issues at cascade. Where

48:20we're at currently is getting an

48:23estimate from a pool contractor to

48:29repair

48:31rehab what is over there. recall

48:34[snorts] from the original um plan and

48:39master plan that RS Leonard did for us

48:42two years ago, three now. Uh was trying

48:47to maintain as much of the original

48:50stonework

48:52vegetation as possible. Uh, so we're

48:55still doing that, but we were losing

48:58water pretty significantly out of the

49:00pool as well as somewhere in the

49:03plumbing and we can't find it. Uh,

49:06thousands of gallons of water. First

49:08time we tried to fire it up. Um, last

49:11summer we tried to run it for events. As

49:14you all know, it's a big wedding

49:15destination and we couldn't even do that

49:17without the pool losing at least a foot

49:20of water uh, through the course of an

49:22eight hour day. So couldn't run the

49:24fountain and that's where it's at. So I

49:27wanted to share with you that our

49:28engineering department is working up a

49:30plan for mechanical building getting

49:33cost estimates of what it will be to

49:36start to fix the pool, the plumbing and

49:41and the fountain cascade.

49:44So at some point council may hear from

49:48us. Um it's like a lot of things. it

49:51it's it's aging infrastructure and I

49:54know council hears this for a variety of

49:56things around the city. Uh where this is

49:59where we're at with Cascade. Um just

50:02wanted you to know that it's not a

50:04matter of us not turning it on. Yes,

50:06we're not turning off not because and we

50:08weren't able to this summer and until we

50:10get it fixed likely won't be able to but

50:12we're trying to get some solid estimates

50:16of what it's going to be to actually fix

50:18uh the mechanics and cascade

50:22>> question.

50:24What happens? Does the water just

50:27disappear or does it like go out into

50:29the park or something? Is it?

50:31>> So, what I can tell you, it does not

50:34appear at the surface.

50:37So, we're not entirely sure where it

50:40goes. Uh, the plumbing, the original

50:42plumbing, well, so recall Cascade Park,

50:48uh, late 30s at least.

50:53Looked a lot different back then. We

50:56suspect the plumbing is deep in the

50:59ground up the hill to a point where you

51:02can't sensor it to know where it goes.

51:05Um, we suspect there's also another leak

51:08that actually drains it into storm water

51:11system, but we can't there's not a way

51:15to narrow it down that's not multiple

51:18leaks either in the pool and or the

51:20plumbing. So, we've struggled to locate

51:22the leaks. Um, we might be able to at

51:26some point. Uh, but that's where we've

51:29left off. It doesn't appear at the

51:31surface, so we can't It's not one of

51:34those things. Although, there it is

51:35bubbling up over there. We'll fix that

51:37pipe. Uh, and there is

51:41fair suspicion that the original

51:43plumbing is pretty deep in the ground.

51:46>> Does go into the storm water system.

51:48Would it die?

51:50>> We can. We'll try that. um likely try

51:53that in the falls if that need is

51:56around. The other issue we run into now

51:59is existing pumps. The we're having a

52:03hard time keeping up with the leaking of

52:06the in ground

52:09uh pit where the pumps are located. It

52:12uh constantly takes on water. Constantly

52:15takes on water.

52:17So

52:20>> why that's not

52:22Well, [clears throat]

52:22in all cand share with you all here. Um,

52:27and I'll go back to what we tried last

52:29summer to at least have it run for

52:32events over there. Uh,

52:36we're as frustrated as anybody. Cascade

52:39Park is a signature park for this city

52:41and we want to do whatever we can to

52:44ensure that it stays that way. Hence why

52:47we did the master plan when we did.

52:50There are some great ideas we're going

52:51to take out of that master plan to

52:53incorporate into Cascade so it'll last

52:55another 50 to 75 years at least. So it's

52:59not lost on us at all.

53:01>> It's hard to believe that I think they

53:03reid the whole thing. I think Marshall

53:05Frankle

53:07that was after it was like 55 56 years

53:10old.

53:10>> Yep.

53:11>> And now it's been almost 40 years.

53:13>> That's correct. That's correct. Uh that

53:16was in 1988.

53:19Do you have a timeline on when Yeah.

53:22>> So, there are very few pool contractors

53:25around um

53:26>> the whole the whole park on when

53:28something

53:29>> Well, specific tonight. No, what we'd

53:32like to do and we can report back to you

53:34when I have a better we have a better

53:35idea of that once we get some more solid

53:38estimates to start to develop a plan of

53:41placement. So, it's going to be costly.

53:44There's no doubt about everything is

53:45costly. It's going to be costly. Uh but

53:48without knowing that information first

53:50doesn't to assign a timeline to it

53:52>> is tough to do

53:54>> and you are pursuing a national

53:56register.

53:56>> Yes. Which might get you

53:59>> some money.

53:59>> And there's grant funding out there. All

54:01of that. Uh so we'll pursue any of those

54:03resources for sure.

54:04>> So is that you have something?

54:06>> Is it concrete? It's the

54:08>> the pool.

54:09>> Yeah.

54:10>> Pool is a combination of stone.

54:13I only chuckle because we had a similar

54:15issue in the early 2000s and we were

54:18stumped as to what to do. Uh we actually

54:23coated the pool with truck bed liner.

54:26>> Okay.

54:27>> Was actually So the black that you see

54:30in the pool now is sprayed on truck bed

54:33liner that lasted we did that in 03.

54:40Uh we've tried patching that

54:43uh and weren't able to make leaks with

54:46that. So, I'm trying to answer

54:48questions. Stones and concrete

54:51um

54:53and bedliner.

54:56>> I was just thinking it was concrete. So,

54:58then if it doesn't have water in it,

55:00it's more likely to crack right over the

55:02winter or something or

55:04>> But it doesn't hold water. So, you

55:06>> Yeah. No. And we used to leave it would

55:08not hold water anyway through the course

55:11of the winter,

55:11>> but it eventually evaporate or ease out

55:13and then we clean out in the spring.

55:15>> Um, but we'll get a handle on what we

55:18need to do. Uh, the plan is to bring

55:20everything out to back to the surface,

55:23incorporate a mechanical building, a

55:25couple of restrooms. Um, so that's what

55:28engineering is working on.

55:31uh the community garden parking lot. Uh

55:33we were approved for funding to finally

55:36redo and bring some sort of order to the

55:40parking area in front of the community

55:41garden. Uh I believe I've shared with

55:45this group before that the community

55:46garden is in the neighborhood of 300

55:48raised beds.

55:50You go on to Google Earth and take a

55:53shot of it. It's pretty impressive. Um

55:56so it to actually create a defined

56:00parking area uh repave

56:03or or repave the perimeter road and

56:08create some actual

56:10um

56:12shoots and and areas for soils so that

56:16they're not comingling in all the same

56:18pile. Um

56:20the community garden um

56:24that was started back in 2010 or 11 and

56:27neighbor of 30 beds. Uh fast forward to

56:3020 26 and and we get asked to create

56:34more and often have a waiting list with

56:36that.

56:38>> You anticipate maybe more demand from

56:41that new

56:43apartment complex that's going in there.

56:46>> Possible. Possible. So part of this

56:49project will hopefully once we define

56:53and clean out some vegetation certain

56:55areas will allow for some expansion in

56:57the back of the property. Uh recall that

57:01where the garden is now was a former

57:03Naval Reserve property. We try to make

57:06sure everything stays on the surface.

57:08Um, and then there's a stretch of city

57:10own property between the Garden and

57:14Milford Avenue extension, which is the

57:17street that leads into Mary Snow. Um,

57:19that's the geography out there is quite

57:22a bit more challenging. Uh, but yeah,

57:25that's very possible. Very possible.

57:31>> Yeah. Has that soil ever been tested for

57:35PAS? [laughter]

57:38>> You asked. So actually there was some

57:40testing done over there for something

57:42else and I have not heard that that has

57:46come back positive for that. Uh I will

57:49tell you that we have

57:52surfaced that site with at least 18

57:56inches of soil since we've been over

57:58there um to create the beds. Um the

58:02gardens we still follow uh I'm going to

58:06refer to the acronym and you can ask

58:08what stand for and I'm going to stumble

58:10through it. So it's called MAFA main

58:13organic farmers.

58:17>> There you go. So we still use their

58:20principles and policies when it comes to

58:22how we handle

58:25soils and uh what you can use in your

58:28bed garden bed.

58:30We've been doing that since beginning.

58:37There's a few things we're working on.

58:38We already talked about lights and among

58:41other projects, but those are three that

58:45one of the things that keep us busy.

58:48>> Science.

58:49>> So, Uain

58:51uh if you I believe they came to this

58:53group over a year ago,

58:57give or take.

58:59So the signs are out is what I wanted to

59:01share with you and and since we first

59:04placed them uh the main students had a

59:06chance to or professor even had a chance

59:09to review we might have to relocate some

59:12and we still need to create the concrete

59:16bases to add three more but and actually

59:19there's going to be swing frame

59:23pages you don't need under that but um

59:27Nine of them are out. Um, it's been a

59:30pretty cool project. Uh, they replaced

59:32some existing signs that have been there

59:34over 20 plus years. Some had

59:37disappeared. Um, some were in varying

59:40degrees of disrepair. The ones that were

59:42salvageable, we tried to keep and try to

59:44rehab them. But on those pages you have

59:46in front of you are the nine that went

59:48out with the location on that street

59:51branch. Um,

59:54Professor Rean Bach brought

59:56approximately 30 of his current students

59:59down

1:00:00uh to gather around the sign that go

1:00:05broad street park or we know and they

1:00:08check the third of four. Um, the

1:00:12messaging and the information on these

1:00:14signs was part of a municipal

1:00:19government history class and I that's a

1:00:22paraphrase of what this class entirely

1:00:25but essentially this was a capstone

1:00:27project for those students and it was

1:00:29interesting to work with them. They

1:00:31worked with

1:00:33his Historical Society. Um, the Bang

1:00:37Public Library was hugely helpful with

1:00:39this. Um, there's some great historical

1:00:41information on there. Uh, and it's it

1:00:45talks about events on the stream um, and

1:00:48some of the history throughout the

1:00:49stream. So, they're out

1:00:52um, in the location that you see

1:00:54pictured there. Uh this was also

1:00:57presented to the business economic

1:01:00development committee as well. I think

1:01:02they came to full counsel but um it's

1:01:05been a great project. Been a great

1:01:06project.

1:01:13It was interesting to watch some of the

1:01:15students. So these are seniors. Um,

1:01:20and

1:01:22it's interesting. They get on campus and

1:01:24that tends to be their world. Um, you'll

1:01:27appreciate this from some of you. Um,

1:01:31I've never been downtown backer before.

1:01:33How long have you been here?

1:01:35>> Conversely,

1:01:37um, the sign at Broad Street uh, talked

1:01:42about the story of

1:01:44Eson Gomez.

1:01:46Um

1:01:48I'll get the pronunciation wrong

1:01:52of that. Uh that student was actually

1:01:56from Fall River, Mass. Uh she came back

1:02:00to talk about her sign uh to the

1:02:02students that day. Drove up here the day

1:02:05before and wanted to be here for that.

1:02:07That was pretty impressive. That was

1:02:08pretty impressive. So

1:02:11want to share with you that had been

1:02:13done. There's still some framing to do.

1:02:14As you can see, we got to repaint some

1:02:16of the bases, and we do need to add uh

1:02:19three more bases along the route, but

1:02:23they're out. Uh it's been about a year

1:02:25in the works, and it's good to get those

1:02:27done.

1:02:31That's what I got.

1:02:32>> Um I saw where the council did some

1:02:35designation of some parks as historic

1:02:38something or other. What is that

1:02:41about? What it do?

1:02:45I know T and Park was one of them, but I

1:02:47can't remember the other one.

1:02:49>> Uh off the top of my head as well.

1:02:53>> Um that was a designation

1:02:56uh that planning had coordinated um

1:02:59essentially designates those because of

1:03:02the history of the parks um as it wasn't

1:03:06a national it was not a national

1:03:08register. I believe it's a local

1:03:10designation if I recall.

1:03:14I'm looking at you and you're looking at

1:03:15me,

1:03:15>> you know, and like

1:03:18that was what like a month or two ago.

1:03:20That's like completely gone out of my

1:03:21head. I barely remember what we

1:03:23discussed [laughter] last night.

1:03:24>> I can certainly we can start with four.

1:03:26>> Yeah, I I can I can come back with that.

1:03:28>> I read the

1:03:30>> I can come back with more information on

1:03:32that though.

1:03:34>> Okay. Does anybody else

1:03:35>> It wasn't controversial, so I don't

1:03:37remember it as much.

1:03:39>> Anything else from anybody?

1:03:41Uh

1:03:43we want to meet second Thursday next

1:03:45month,

1:03:46>> October.

1:03:47>> Yep.

1:03:48>> So what I've heard uh we'll come back

1:03:50with some

1:03:52uh little more information about uh what

1:03:54we're doing in Little City.

1:03:56>> So that be but what I'm hearing thus far

1:03:59is

1:04:00keep moving it to have that discussion

1:04:03kind of move the concept forward. In the

1:04:05meantime, if you hear from folks in that

1:04:07neighborhood that absolutely don't want

1:04:09that here, then please let us know. to

1:04:11car that time, but we did not want to

1:04:14move forward until at least have a

1:04:16conversation

1:04:22just because it's been a couple of

1:04:23months. Um,

1:04:25are you where are you at with uh like

1:04:31coming back to the council with anything

1:04:33of a rec center? What would you like us

1:04:35to? [laughter]

1:04:39>> I I don't know. I mean, like I I I think

1:04:42there was definitely an appetite for uh

1:04:46and you know, I don't want to speak, you

1:04:48know, for the council, but there's there

1:04:50I mean, there's support for it. I I

1:04:52think we were

1:04:53>> that's encouraging to hear because

1:04:55>> like I think we just you know we were

1:04:57just really looking again not speaking

1:04:59for the whole council because but um

1:05:02like we all agree that it's needed.

1:05:05>> Um so that wasn't the question. And I it

1:05:08was just really like how how much we

1:05:12thought that the taxpayers would be

1:05:14willing to absorb and you know in

1:05:16getting a um something on the ballot

1:05:20that we thought was going to be

1:05:22successful. Um that was really it. So, I

1:05:25think like and I know we've had a lot of

1:05:27conversations and then there's been some

1:05:29conversations about potentially even

1:05:32having um

1:05:35and and again, I don't know if this is

1:05:36going to happen, but maybe having a um

1:05:41actually I better not say that. I I

1:05:43>> Oh, no. You're out there now.

1:05:44>> Sorry, but there are some things that we

1:05:46discussed in executive session sometimes

1:05:48and I can't remember.

1:05:49>> No, that's if you haven't discussed

1:05:51session, you should know. Yeah, you're

1:05:52>> No. and I can't remember if it was so I

1:05:53don't want to say it out loud because I

1:05:55I don't remember honestly if it was but

1:05:57um

1:05:59anyway I I guess I just in general I was

1:06:01asking like I I I think you know

1:06:03whenever you're ready to bring something

1:06:05back but I think um at least the

1:06:07impression that I got is that we would

1:06:09be looking for either

1:06:12um you know something a little bit

1:06:15scaled back or if there's any um you

1:06:19know anything been done to secure like

1:06:21any kind

1:06:22um other funding like grants or anything

1:06:25and I I know there was a grant that you

1:06:27had applied for. Have you heard anything

1:06:28about that?

1:06:29>> We had applied for congressionally

1:06:32direct spending which we did not hear

1:06:34back

1:06:36um from Senator King's office. Yeah.

1:06:39>> Um

1:06:41when we last spoke to the council at a

1:06:44workshop, we had started to break out

1:06:46the project to discuss and we alluded to

1:06:50it here today to discuss why we landed

1:06:54at the concept we did based on what

1:06:56we're already doing. So we're certainly

1:06:59happy to continue that conversation.

1:07:02answer your question about additional

1:07:04funding. Um it's kind of a catch in that

1:07:08to ask for any substantial funding, we

1:07:11need to know we have a positive path

1:07:13going forward. So until a question gets

1:07:16developed,

1:07:18we're kind of at a tough spot uh to

1:07:21really secure additional funding

1:07:23[clears throat]

1:07:24uh and have anybody willing to say yeah,

1:07:27we'll do it without knowing if indeed it

1:07:29will happen. to answer your question, we

1:07:32could we can certainly come back at any

1:07:34time uh to update you the council on

1:07:37where we're at and happy to do that. I I

1:07:41guess I would just say at least from my

1:07:42perspective, I'd be looking for like,

1:07:47you know, not just the same kind of the

1:07:48same thing, but sort of either scaled

1:07:50back or or something, you know, if

1:07:52there's been any revisions kind of like

1:07:55we

1:07:56>> we talked about,

1:07:57>> we can start to compare it and think

1:08:00about then if it needs revised, what

1:08:03impact that has on what we're already

1:08:05doing. Um, I it might be helpful for you

1:08:09all to know that if we scale it back,

1:08:12we're going to be right where we're at

1:08:14or can we phase it? Um,

1:08:19we can start to look at that and prepare

1:08:21a presentation for you all. We're coming

1:08:23up on November, so the timing of that,

1:08:28>> right? I mean, but that way we'd be out

1:08:30ahead of it like to try to get something

1:08:32on a ballot for next year. That's just

1:08:34my thought. Like I'd hate to see it fall

1:08:36off the radar because that building's

1:08:38not healing itself. [laughter]

1:08:39>> It barely feeling itself. And I

1:08:41appreciate you bringing it up. Uh

1:08:43because it's good to know a where you're

1:08:45at individually and b the council as a

1:08:48whole.

1:08:48>> And like that obviously that's just my

1:08:51perspective, but like you know where we

1:08:54landed on that was never that we didn't

1:08:57want it to happen. It was just kind of

1:09:00um balancing, you know, like what we

1:09:02thought the taxpayers would be willing

1:09:05to absorb. And and we did hear a lot

1:09:07from people on both sides of that issue.

1:09:10Um you know, people who were really in

1:09:13favor of it and and weren't too happy

1:09:15with us obviously. Um [laughter] that

1:09:17always happens, you know, on anything

1:09:19that's sort of high-profile. But, you

1:09:22know, then other people who were like,

1:09:23"This is just too much for us as

1:09:25taxpayers, especially when, you know,

1:09:27everything else is going up." So, like,

1:09:30but you know, I I don't think there was

1:09:32one of us that thought we didn't need a

1:09:34new rep.

1:09:35>> So, perhaps we and we had school

1:09:37committee coming in behind us. I started

1:09:38to hear him out.

1:09:39>> Um,

1:09:41>> we start to work on at least an update

1:09:44with you all for workshop in October.

1:09:47>> Okay.

1:09:47>> Does that work?

1:09:48>> Yeah. Yeah.

1:09:48>> Okay.

1:09:49>> Thank you for bringing out. It's good to

1:09:50hear that all is not lost this current

1:09:54council because we're going to start

1:09:56crack open so arena here pretty soon and

1:09:58I'd like all of you to cross your

1:09:59fingers

1:10:00>> and obviously we're going to have a new

1:10:03council on the second month too and who

1:10:05knows where they're going to land. It

1:10:07could be you know they could feel

1:10:09differently than the current council

1:10:10too. So

1:10:11>> yeah and I thank you. I just don't get

1:10:14>> Yeah. Um, so second Thursday in October,

1:10:18I heard the chair say

1:10:19>> October 8th.

1:10:23>> Make that a plan. Chair. Yep. Okay,

1:10:27we're out of time. Thank you all for

1:10:29coming out.

1:10:30>> Thank you.

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