2026-09-02 - Commission on Cultural Development

00:21Now I'm terming coming up on the end of

00:24my second term, but I'm eligible to do

00:27one more term.

00:30The deadline if you're terming out the

00:32deadline is Friday for to apply.

00:36>> It's a really quick form.

00:40Hopefully they'll come back.

00:41>> Yes.

01:21So, we'll see.

01:22>> We are live.

01:23>> All right. Great. Hi, everybody.

01:27Welcome to September. Um,

01:30I'm so glad that I'm back here in

01:32person. This is much easier to do it in

01:34person, but what's over. Um, it's been a

01:37busy summer. So, let's start with

01:39meeting minutes. Does anybody have any

01:43questions? Do we have Sorry. Half

01:47thought. We have enough people here for

01:48a quorum, right? One, two, three, four,

01:51five. Great. Just barely. Um, cool. Many

01:55minutes. Any questions?

01:59>> How much is a corn?

02:02>> Four or five?

02:03>> Yeah, I think.

02:06Yeah.

02:06>> Yeah, cuz that was an issue for a while.

02:09>> Yeah. Um, okay.

02:13Uh, can I motion to approve?

02:17>> Seconded.

02:18>> All right. All in favor. All right.

02:20Thank you. Um,

02:25my report I

02:27don't have anything to report. All the

02:29things that I want to talk about are

02:31agenda. Well, let's skip right over

02:33that. Um, financial report.

02:37Um they still haven't loaded you said

02:40upstairs finance has uploaded the um

02:44>> it's a new budget but I mean everything

02:47is there so

02:48>> yeah thank you for including the whole

02:52with our things highlighted

02:55the lines

02:57>> there's a lot going on.

02:59>> Yeah.

03:00>> Yeah.

03:01>> Cool. Any questions about

03:04this year's budget?

03:08Obviously, we haven't spent anything

03:09yet.

03:11Cool. Great.

03:16Um, grant committee. Yes. So, we had a

03:20meeting um well a week and a half ago.

03:24Um our proposal is to

03:28uh double the limit for each of the

03:31different types of grants. Okay.

03:33>> So from what is it 1,500 for a single

03:37for an individual to a

03:41>> is it a thousand?

03:42>> I think for individual it was a

03:43thousand.

03:43>> Yep. To two.

03:44>> Okay.

03:45>> And then for the group the nonprofit

03:50group grants from 5,000 to 10,000. Okay.

03:54Uh

03:55we would also like to

03:59make some changes to the application and

04:01things like that, but we're not going to

04:03be able to do that for this grant cycle

04:06um because of the October grant cycle

04:11coming up right up. we need to get the

04:14application

04:16ready and on there and um start pushing

04:21that so that we get applications for it.

04:24So what our goal is um we are going to

04:29start looking at what some different

04:32other grant applications kind of look

04:34like some similar grant applications to

04:37see if there's anything additional that

04:38they're asking for that we're not. Um,

04:41but some of the things that we discussed

04:43were making sure that on the grant

04:47application specifically, it asks if

04:50they've submitted their followup from

04:52their previous grant at that they were

04:54approved for because sometimes we're

04:57losing that in the process. We want to

05:00make sure that not only have we received

05:02their follow-up grant or follow-up

05:05report, but that it's complete and that

05:07we've gotten the information that we're

05:09asking for. um and that it's come in,

05:12you know, in a timely manner and things

05:14like that. Um we want to make sure that

05:18we have the dollar amounts that the

05:20grants are for on the application

05:22because they're not. Um so

05:26like we were searching for numbers on

05:29the application site and having a little

05:32bit of a hard time finding it. So we

05:34want to make sure that that's very

05:35clear. Um, but yeah, we just want to

05:39kind of clarify things, but that's going

05:41to unfortunately have to be something

05:42for next year's grants, not even the

05:46spring grants, but like starting with

05:48the fall 2027 grants. Um, so that it's

05:52all equal, right, across the board. Um,

05:56yeah. So, that's where we are.

05:58>> Seems most fair. Did you all discuss

06:01Sorry. Um

06:04the so the doubling of the organization

06:07amounts

06:08>> very likely will mean that we will get

06:13applicants for more money applications

06:15for more money but we will likely then

06:17also still not be able to fully fund

06:20what we receive.

06:21>> Yep. Um there

06:23>> well the thought there was that our

06:26available funds have double doubled and

06:28so it makes sense to double the amount

06:30that we can give out. Um,

06:33[clears throat]

06:34and just like it has been in the past,

06:38if if the commission and and the council

06:43decides that we would rather grant more

06:46people with smaller amounts and that

06:48means we can't fully fund everybody,

06:51then that's the decision that we make.

06:53But if we decide that somebody grant

06:56application is

06:58something that we would like to see

07:00fully funded at a full $10,000 and that

07:03means that we can't fund others or

07:05because we have fewer applications then

07:08so be it. It would we would be following

07:10kind of the same guidelines that we've

07:12been following.

07:13>> Cool.

07:14>> Yeah. Any questions from anyone else?

07:17Um, I have an administrative request to

07:20be added to the application which is to

07:22submit a W9 if they

07:25>> if that hasn't been included in the past

07:27because I think with the most recent

07:29one, our finance department has been

07:31like if we don't have a most updated one

07:33on file, it's kind of an additional back

07:35and forth to get there.

07:36>> That makes sense. Do

07:39is that something? So, there were a

07:41couple of things that we weren't sure

07:42about.

07:44Can we make changes to the application

07:46without getting city coun without

07:49getting council approval

07:51or what is the approval process for

07:53making changes to the application?

07:55>> It depends on what you're making changes

07:56on. If it's like a major policy change

07:59then I would want to bring it to be you

08:01know the business and economic

08:02development committee. But it it kind of

08:04depends

08:05>> and the and as far as policy changes go,

08:08that is something that we need to make

08:10sure that we're talking about over the

08:11next couple months for 2027.

08:14Does city council want us to clarify

08:17what is and is not permissible to be

08:20requested? So for instance, the like

08:24and we and

08:26>> we just want it to be as clear as

08:28possible for the applicants and the uh

08:31organizations that are applying. If

08:33that's what council would like to do,

08:35then okay,

08:37>> we just need to make sure that we need

08:39to then that people know that so that

08:42they're not spending their time applying

08:43for something that city council isn't

08:46going to approve justed.

08:48>> Right. I will say I if council wants us

08:51to do that, I'd like to have an actual

08:53discussion with council for agree. I

08:55think that that's something we have some

08:57arguments for why it's so broad. Um and

09:03that it sort of came up a little bit

09:05when we had the budget discussions, but

09:07it there wasn't a specific request to

09:10limit it at that point. Um and right

09:12happy to have the conversations with

09:13them but I do want to make sure that

09:15it's a conversation that our voice

09:18[clears throat] is at least.

09:19>> Yes.

09:20>> Yeah. I mean I think we should schedule

09:21it where if you are making some policy

09:24changes or and to have that discussion

09:27that we schedule it when you know a few

09:29of you can be at the meeting to have

09:32that conversation. Yeah, we actually had

09:34that conversation during our grant

09:36meeting because um there it's great we

09:40have very differing points of view um on

09:43different things and you know um so for

09:47instance Mariah is much more

09:48businessminded

09:50and less um she doesn't understand the

09:54performing arts as much and we were like

09:58talking right past each other um and and

10:02so I think that That's some of where the

10:04um the difference is for the counselors

10:08versus like what my stand on it would

10:11be. Um is that they're more

10:13businessminded and they look at uh

10:15lights as a capital expense

10:18>> and that that's not something that they

10:20feel this grant process should be used

10:23for. Whereas I see it as a a creative

10:27>> as a medium. It's a medium. So that's

10:30just

10:30>> performance.

10:31>> Right. So, so that's um definitely a

10:35conversation that I think would be good

10:38to have. I don't think it's something

10:41that we should shy away from having

10:43because if we shy away from having it

10:45and then somebody else applies for that

10:47and they get denied, I would feel awful

10:50if they could have applied for something

10:51else just they didn't know.

10:53>> Right.

10:55>> Okay. Yeah, the best way to break it

10:57down to somebody who doesn't have any

10:59experience in the art or music or

11:01production like is like a music concert,

11:03you have lights. If you take away the

11:05stage show lights,

11:07>> it's a totally different experience. You

11:09know what I mean? If you go to

11:10waterfront concerts and these business

11:12people go in the little suites and if

11:13you could break it down like that to

11:15them maybe that, you know, just find a

11:17relatable avenue because not everybody

11:20goes to the theater.

11:21>> You know what I mean? 100%. Yeah.

11:23>> And just sometimes, you know, like they

11:26don't think of it that way. I don't

11:27think of it

11:28>> in the way that they're thinking of it.

11:30And my brain just doesn't even go there.

11:32So, I think it's good to have those

11:34discussions amongst ourselves so that we

11:36can work through that and then present

11:38it in a way that hopefully will resonate

11:42with them.

11:43>> Yeah, that sounds great. Cool. Any other

11:47grant committee questions?

11:50excited about the increased amounts and

11:53excited to see what applications we

11:54have.

11:54>> Yes. Um, as far as adding the W9 request

11:59to the application. Is that something?

12:01But since they're going to want to do

12:02that at application because they have to

12:05give like a lot of tax information, but

12:08maybe at the award, you know, we just

12:11put it right in the application that you

12:14will be asked to provide a W9 if

12:17awarded, that kind of thing, just so

12:18they know

12:20>> it's coming. So,

12:21>> can we also then add a link to a blank

12:24current W9 form?

12:25>> Yeah.

12:26>> Yeah. To the state W9.

12:28>> Yeah. I mean a lot of independent

12:29contractors are used to the W thing so

12:32it's not a thumbs up.

12:36>> Yeah.

12:36>> But yeah,

12:37>> right here we can make it.

12:39>> Yeah, absolutely.

12:42>> Perfect.

12:43>> So we can add that as a um in the like

12:47important notes section perhaps. Um but

12:51they you know will need to provide that

12:55if awarded at the time of

12:59receipt.

13:01>> Perfect.

13:03Cool. All right. Um cultural asset

13:07committee's

13:09not here and we will talk about the

13:11strategy plan. So skip that for now.

13:15Let's talk about October. Got some

13:18things to do.

13:20Yeah. Yeah. It's right upon us. So, um

13:21you know, my fault for not knowing the

13:23reporting requirements. We were not able

13:25to meet this month because you know,

13:27>> I didn't know that either. So, I've been

13:30here a couple years either. Yeah. I did

13:32not know that. So, don't

13:34>> Yeah. So, you know, we had an important

13:36uh you know, lesson there that we need

13:38to be able to post our meetings ahead of

13:39time so there can be public notice. Got

13:41that all squared away, but we'll meet

13:43again next Friday morning 8:30. Uh and

13:47so in the interim, we do have a few

13:49things we want to try to hammer out uh

13:51with the whole group if we could. Most

13:53of it I think we can handle uh next

13:56week. Uh so, you know, I'd start by

13:58saying we we also pushed out the you

14:00know, deadline for um nominating someone

14:05through next Thursday for two reasons.

14:07One is why not and the other is what it

14:09looked like. Uh I was miscounting what

14:12we had, you know, the the form holds

14:14nominees from the past. I thought we

14:16were in the mid-30s. We're actually more

14:18like eight or nine. Uh strong people

14:20there, no doubt. But, you know,

14:21certainly the more the merit, right? So,

14:24the city pushed that out. Don't count on

14:26me as a social media influencer. I put

14:27it out on my, you know, through my

14:29Facebook and things. I haven't been able

14:31to get in touch with Betsy or um

14:34Mon'nique at the downtown Partnership.

14:36If anyone has a good line to that,

14:38>> no, I I'll reach out.

14:39>> It'd be great.

14:40>> I should see him next week actually, but

14:42if you want me to reach out before that,

14:43I can be great.

14:44>> Yeah. Yeah. that in the sooner the

14:46better and if you guys you know feel

14:48compelled please throw it out you know

14:50share the city link or something. Uh so

14:53um beyond that uh so the actual award

14:56itself you know in the past we've

14:58awarded uh you know something made by a

15:01local artist. We've uh used a variety of

15:04people having to work in wood over the

15:06last three years and uh we had a pretty

15:09nice idea presented by Ben and the

15:11committee. This is a little small to

15:13look at. Uh

15:14>> yeah, picture that's in there is

15:18>> pictures there are basically different

15:20ones to choose from.

15:21>> Yeah.

15:22>> Um basically we want to

15:26you know an artist that works in glass

15:28they're medium and these are pretty

15:30small. I could probably I don't know if

15:32in real time I could send you an email

15:33where you could pull it up on the screen

15:35but you know picture very nice hand

15:37blown glass.

15:38>> Yeah they are really like quality made

15:40and they have lots of different colors.

15:42Um, it could [clears throat] do custom

15:44colors inside of potentially if we

15:46needed it. That would probably be

15:48additional charge. But, um, I feel like

15:52these would be fine if we just pick one

15:53that we that we want to go with.

15:56>> Do you know how much the engraving cost?

15:58>> I don't know how much the engraving is

16:00off. I know it's less. Yes, I can. I can

16:02find out the stat

16:03>> because in the past we've spent $100 on

16:06the gift

16:08>> um which I think is a nice amount and

16:10they've all been engraved and I think

16:12that is kind of a really nice element

16:15the physical object.

16:17>> Um and if that I mean it looks like

16:20we've got $35 to play with here.

16:23>> If it falls under that would be awesome.

16:25If it puts us at 110, maybe that still

16:28is worth it inflation that it's a nice

16:31object that is specific to the sword.

16:33>> Yeah, I can definitely get that one.

16:35>> I love the idea also of the pumpkin up

16:37and over.

16:40>> Absolutely.

16:42>> I like the white ones with the colors

16:44inside it as opposed to like your

16:46traditional orange pumpkin. I like that.

16:48It looks cool.

16:50>> Yeah, I like that.

16:52>> Yeah. Yeah. just

16:55>> I don't know maybe it's hard to say like

16:57is traditional like traditional way to

17:00go it's hard to stay

17:01>> it's like but it's also like an arts

17:03award so you want to get a little funky

17:05with it so maybe something

17:07>> too I like

17:11>> yeah and you know what's in that picture

17:13might not be in stock next week when we

17:15try

17:16>> well we have to you know

17:18>> and an alternative on the engraving side

17:19Ben and I haven't talked about it is you

17:21know we get a nice piece of wood that's

17:23something lasers then work for under

17:25$35. It's only like it would sit on that

17:28piece of wood. They said the $100 are

17:30great for that.

17:31>> You know, we have alternatives. So, the

17:33idea was that other people would bring

17:35ideas to this meeting. We've also within

17:38the committee asked people to bring

17:39other ideas. Um you not to push this one

17:42on anyone, but I think quietly what what

17:45has happened is no one's come up with a

17:46better idea or one that's even worthy of

17:49putting up against it. Right. So I mean

17:51if there's not a lot of opposition

17:53then I think

17:56anyone

17:58feels

18:00>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Great idea. Sometimes

18:02the best idea presents itself and it

18:03doesn't need

18:05>> you know two or others to vote on.

18:06>> Yeah. And then the other is the

18:08horizontal logos that I've created for

18:12October. So they fit better on the uh

18:15banners the poll banners.

18:16>> Right. So the the middle one is the main

18:19logo, but there were different, you

18:21know, I was wearing color varants inside

18:23this.

18:24>> Yeah. So if there is still time, I think

18:27we essentially settled on some version

18:29of the middle one,

18:30>> but with with a tan or some kind of

18:32background and or no,

18:34>> I did did we just decide on that?

18:37>> Well, what we had decided on is that I

18:39was going to make a vertical

18:41>> logo. That's what we left off. And then

18:42I three options here.

18:45>> Gotcha. But that's where we left off.

18:47So, Gotcha.

18:48>> Um, if you if you don't like that one or

18:50you want one of these better or you just

18:51want me to change it a little bit,

18:52that's fine.

18:54>> Like the darker one. It's just

18:56personally. Yeah.

18:57>> Yeah.

18:58>> It just it pops out like to me.

19:01>> This is going to be I mean it'll be for

19:03our whatever we post online, but also

19:06for this banners if there's time to do

19:08that still this fall.

19:10>> Um, yeah. We're going to try to get a

19:11rush on it. Cool. Yeah. The logos.

19:14>> Does the city have

19:16guidelines or recommendations on what

19:17colors can be printed on those banners

19:19or what colors read the best?

19:21>> No, I mean there's it looks like you've

19:23got three here. Um, you know, if you

19:26tell me which one you prefer, we'll work

19:28with that.

19:29>> What other information needs to go on

19:31banners? Is it just October?

19:33>> Yeah, I think Yeah, that's like I like

19:37the middle one the most.

19:39>> I think I'm having a hard time with the

19:41edge of the tea.

19:42>> You don't like that? That was

19:43intentional. That was intentionally to

19:45break the box. Yeah, I did that

19:47intentionally. Um

19:49>> I don't know. I could see having issues

19:50with that though, too. But I don't even

19:52know if I love the box at all. Like

19:54that's just something I was putting on

19:56there to kind of like Okay. Well, we

19:58turned it because I did you see the

20:00other You saw the other version. So we

20:01we turned it and the box kind of stayed

20:03with it.

20:04>> Yeah. So it could get the the line on it

20:07could get narrow and it could also if

20:08you if you wanted to make it balance the

20:11T. It just it it it looks a little

20:13awkward because the T crossbar at the

20:15top goes a little extended past the

20:17bottom leg of the R. So it looks the R

20:20has like more like white space at the

20:22bottom because of that. I mean it's not

20:24the end of the world and I could just

20:26like you know hand move it over but

20:31that's what that is. I think that's why

20:33the one without the frame

20:35>> is because it's not breaking.

20:37>> It's more balanced.

20:38>> Yeah.

20:39>> I gravitate towards the one in the

20:40middle, too. My only concern is white,

20:42though. Um

20:44>> white I don't love for the banner. Yeah,

20:46I I prefer I would prefer the one on the

20:48left, honestly, for the banners.

20:50Personally,

20:50>> I really like the one on the left. I It

20:53looks very like um kind of art deco to

20:56me.

20:57>> Yeah.

20:57>> And but I do agree. I would want that

21:00Obar on the inside.

21:03>> Um only because like I understand your

21:06reasoning, but I think people are going

21:08to look at it and think it's a mistake.

21:10>> Yeah.

21:12>> Okay.

21:13>> Yeah. Can we see that?

21:15>> No problem. I'll send it on stunning.

21:17>> Or a version of this color without the

21:20frame.

21:21>> Oh, yeah. That's easy enough to

21:22experience.

21:23>> Yeah. Like it could be the pan

21:25background.

21:26>> Yeah. Just the one on the left for that

21:27one about the box.

21:29>> I like the orange.

21:30>> Mhm.

21:31>> Yeah.

21:32>> And and red and like this whole color

21:35palette. And I like the art for in the

21:38bright orange.

21:40>> Yeah.

21:40>> Or maybe just get right into the box on

21:43>> then maybe that's what we

21:47>> And then there might be a little work to

21:48do on the exact aspect because we don't

21:51know the dimensions.

21:52>> Yeah. Yeah, but if we can just then

21:55>> if you can share the color.

21:56>> Yeah, we'll get you those. I mean, if

21:58you if I if we just get a good logo,

22:00maybe they they'll move it to

22:04do. Um

22:04>> and they can make a full bleed of the

22:06background. And it sounds like you don't

22:08need anything from us once we have

22:11>> a good

22:21time.

22:24>> Um I don't think we will have

22:28question.

22:29Um do we think we'll have time to update

22:33some of the print files?

22:36Yeah, we'll have

22:39>> the um and some sort of a a

22:45highlight thing. Um

22:49>> yeah, we can we can make everything

22:50consistent with the new font and

22:53>> um last year we printed um nominee like

22:57a program.

22:58>> No,

22:59>> we didn't do a program. Oh, we did do a

23:02list. I have those files that

23:03>> Yeah, we did. That's easy to update the

23:06colors on if you just send me the um hex

23:08codes for these colors.

23:09>> Send me the hex codes. Let me follow

23:11that real quick.

23:12>> Or whatever.

23:14>> Or just send a PDF. Is would that work

23:17too?

23:18>> Uh yeah,

23:20>> send a hex code if you want.

23:22>> Yeah, that would be great. Um, but yeah,

23:25we did we printed a list of all the

23:28nominees with their websites and a

23:30sentence about them so that it's more of

23:33a networking thing to hand out. Then

23:36also last year it was new, we did kind

23:39of a I'm a nominee paper award

23:43for those who were in the sidewalk arts

23:46festival like so.

23:50This year though, the sidewalk is still

23:52happening for our event,

23:54>> but we'll know the

23:55>> nominee.

23:59>> Yeah, we can get all

24:02them know where they compare.

24:04>> Sure.

24:04>> Cool.

24:05>> Yeah.

24:06>> Um the map

24:08file update is slightly more complicated

24:11because we have hired a designer to do

24:13that and I don't think I have the

24:14high-res file, but I can ask her again

24:17because she's now a fellow parent class.

24:20So, she did last year say that she would

24:22send me the high-risisk files and then

24:24she looked I will follow up. Um,

24:28>> it's not doesn't downtown too. So,

24:33>> yeah, but it's not branded.

24:34>> Okay.

24:35>> This one, this one was specific to arts

24:37locations.

24:38>> Okay.

24:39>> In downtown um like art businesses. I

24:42think one idea we have too for that's

24:44for next year is a mural map or like an

24:48art

24:49back up down, you know.

24:51>> I think that would be really um

24:53>> maybe that's something we can do after

24:55the new

24:56>> with the with the survey and the new

24:59arts plan. I think that would be really

25:01really cool and to add it to the kiosk

25:04be there so that you can like really

25:06just go to the phone and find I mean

25:08anything. Where's the theater? Where's

25:09this? You know this this this

25:11everything's right there. I think that

25:12would be really really cool. Yeah.

25:15>> All right. Lots of ideas for future

25:16meetings. Yeah. Um, let's get back to

25:19the rest of your question, right?

25:21>> No, no, those are all good things. Um,

25:23so, um, but one of those dove tales into

25:25a question for the group. I don't know

25:26what we're doing with the kiosks in

25:28Pinkering Square now, but we could

25:30potentially if they're empty, use them

25:32for Arttober, maybe put out a call to

25:35all arts organizations. They want to get

25:37something stuck in there. We do it.

25:39>> Yeah. Yeah. Just work through Beexing.

25:42>> She does a lot of the input for that

25:44kiosk. So,

25:46>> and so the ones um in Pickering Square

25:49that are new,

25:50>> the new electronic ones.

25:52>> Oh, so no, I was thinking more that

25:54you've asked this committee.

25:56>> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. You want to

25:59put things in there for Artober? I would

26:03recommend that.

26:03>> Is it because this the water district

26:05isn't doing anything right?

26:06>> Yeah. They haven't been able to get

26:08their stuff together projects going.

26:10>> Well, good. So, we'll sort out like a

26:12you know some kind of equitable way to

26:13make that call. you know, so that at

26:16least we feel like we put it out there

26:18in a lot of ways so no one comes to us

26:20on October 10th and says, "Why not me?"

26:23>> You know, you didn't submit. Uh so we

26:25can work on that next week. Um

26:28and I'm sure that dubtales with some of

26:30the other things you're thinking about

26:31for um uh uh later in the agenda. The

26:35last thing on on our side is jurors. We

26:38need uh you know, we'd like to have five

26:40total. Two are known. It would be last

26:43someone from Bang or Beautiful because

26:45they went up last year. Someone from the

26:47committee Kelly or Cal uh probably

26:51because probably what it would look like

26:54could be Sarah Benth. I don't know the

26:56reason I said that is I think one of it

26:58last year.

27:00>> Long story short,

27:02>> I think was voting member last year.

27:04>> So long story short, it's one committee

27:05member and it's last year's winner. So

27:07we really need three more. So, we're

27:09hoping to have a list of six names that

27:10we could start to approach next week.

27:12Uh, we had quite a few names

27:16>> from previous meetings. I didn't bring

27:18them with me. [clears throat] So, this

27:19is just a data dump of names hopefully

27:21from a variety of mediums, different

27:24companies or organizations or solo

27:28artists.

27:31You could ask um I could ask also on my

27:33email town um

27:37just recently their office space

27:46judge.

27:48>> Yeah,

27:48>> she was nominated last year.

27:50>> She's not currently.

27:52>> No, not yet.

27:53>> But not yet. So we'd have to eliminate

27:54any names for people to get nominated.

27:56>> That's a great name for the listing.

27:58>> Yeah. like well Cat Johnson's on

28:01Beautiful.

28:04>> Um

28:04>> yeah, have you reached out to Beautiful

28:06yet?

28:07>> Not yet, but I will.

28:08>> Okay.

28:09>> So, Rena Steinberg from the BSO would

28:12maybe be someone

28:15>> uh

28:16>> you know Jasmine who I run a lot about

28:21>> one of the two.

28:22>> Sorry, what name did you say?

28:24>> Amy JRo.

28:25>> Oh,

28:25>> yeah. But she's also

28:29Yeah, she's great.

28:30>> Yeah, Emmy might be a good fit.

28:32>> I would maybe email them both together

28:34given that they're both currently at the

28:36symphony and see if either of them are

28:38interested so that it's clear we're not

28:40asking them both.

28:41>> They would be great. Uh

28:43>> who else did you say?

28:44>> I said Jasmine Horn. She run she does

28:46first Fridays with me. She runs Dream

28:47and Gold Jewelry and she'd be really

28:50she's very busy, but she will make time

28:51for things.

28:52>> Okay.

28:53>> Also a great idea.

28:54>> Yeah. And so maybe looking for two or

28:56three more names because not everyone's

28:57gonna be able

28:59>> from the library. Candy, she's a good

29:03>> I just emailed her right before this

29:05meeting started as I was sitting here.

29:07Um yeah, she does the curation of the

29:10library shows.

29:12>> Do I know her last name?

29:15>> Give me one second.

29:16>> Okay.

29:17>> Um Candace's last name. Remember in the

29:21other room?

29:23>> Yes. Like

29:23>> this happened to us when we were in the

29:26other room. We kept getting kicked out.

29:28>> I don't know how we texted though.

29:30>> Yeah. Oh,

29:31>> that's what I just said.

29:32>> Sorry, I missed that.

29:34>> Joyce D A N D I S

29:37>> and then J O Y C E.

29:40>> Okay. Maybe.

29:42>> Anybody know anybody at any of the dance

29:43companies or the ballet?

29:45>> I know

29:47photographs along the ballet. Yes. Um

29:50>> I am

29:51>> Michaelan

29:52>> at Thomas Dance.

29:55>> Oh great.

29:56>> Um Oh, but actually yeah.

29:58>> Um yeah, we could ask the owner of

30:01Thomas. Um or some of the board members

30:06of

30:08Ballet.

30:10>> Yes, that's easy.

30:13>> Yeah. Um

30:15because Rosemary and I are both

30:18there with

30:20um they're not all Bangor residents, but

30:23some of them are.

30:24>> I'm trying to get uh this.

30:26>> Okay.

30:26>> Uh Kelsey might be a great option.

30:29>> What about

30:29>> Oh, it looks like we're still on

30:31>> somebody from the Arts Society or the

30:33Tailman Museum. George King. He's a few

30:37jobs, I think. Or we could ask one of

30:40>> Michelle's really nice, too. I like last

30:43name but she works there. So she'd be a

30:47really good person to have it now. So

30:50last anymore

30:52said there's a new president um

30:56Jan Cook is her name and she might be a

30:59good person. She's new president

31:00society.

31:01>> Jan Cook.

31:02>> Yep.

31:03>> And their meeting is on the 15th. trying

31:05their best.

31:07>> I'll try to find like

31:09people,

31:10>> but I'll probably reach out to you on

31:11the Thomas side.

31:12>> Yeah.

31:13>> Um I'm sure I can find Candace at the

31:15library. Uh and a few others. So I might

31:17reach out to a few people for contact

31:19info, but I'll just see if I can find

31:20their website or

31:22>> Yeah. Great. So I think that's it. Uh

31:25everything else I think we can attack

31:26next week in our meeting. Any questions

31:29though for October committee?

31:30>> Can I just go over what I need to get

31:31done real quick before we Yeah.

31:33>> Okay. I just want to make sure I'm going

31:34to get rid of the box on this. I'm going

31:36to get the hex codes for the colors. I'm

31:38going to send it to everybody. And I'm

31:39going to also charge with the guy about

31:41it. Great. Get the price on this.

31:43>> Is that how it is? Great.

31:45>> I think that's that's it. Okay. That's

31:48enough, right? That's fine. Okay.

31:51>> Um that guy have a studio at Waterfall.

31:54>> No, he works at Waterfall. He's one of

31:56the directors of the blow blast blowing

31:58but his his gallery is outside of

32:00outside of waterfall on the outskirts of

32:03town. If you've been to mainly gallery

32:05and studio by any chance it's on route

32:07one on the way into Belfast like right

32:09outside Belfast proper but not in the

32:10downtown area but he is a glass prof

32:13teacher at warall arts. They just don't

32:15have a facility at his studio because

32:17there's a huge awesome glass blowing

32:19facility 20 miles down the road. Um,

32:22>> we'll need to account for a time to go

32:24pick up. I'm assuming he's not going to

32:26deliver.

32:27>> I won't deliver it. I can probably get

32:28it.

32:29>> Um, if someone can't, then let me know

32:31with enough notice. My sister has a

32:33studio at Waterfall. See her so

32:36>> Oh, she must know it. You must know

32:38Brian.

32:38>> Hand off. Um, but that

32:41>> Okay.

32:42>> And it sounds like he needs about two

32:43weeks notice.

32:44>> That's double check on the ingredient.

32:45>> I will check on I will get the I'll get

32:48everything locked down. And do we want

32:49to pull the trigger on it? Otherwise, do

32:51you want to tell them to go with it?

32:52>> Yeah, we can go with it.

32:53>> Okay, let's go with it. Which pumpkin

32:54did we want to go with? Want to go with

32:56the classic one?

32:57>> I like one of the white ones.

32:58>> One of the white ones.

33:01>> That's cool.

33:03>> Okay. Yeah, the white pumpkin.

33:04>> Um, if it's got the color speckles,

33:07>> the white.

33:09>> Um,

33:12>> yeah.

33:13>> This one top on the right.

33:16>> Yeah. Thank you.

33:19Um,

33:22>> great. We won't Oh, yeah. We don't We

33:25can just go for it because we're not

33:26going to the actual

33:28>> Yeah, we've done that in the past and we

33:30have to wait and have the name and that

33:34>> Let's just do that. That's great.

33:36>> Yeah.

33:36>> Cool. Okay.

33:38>> Any other questions?

33:42>> Yeah.

33:44>> All right. Great. I think we're done.

33:46>> All right. that updates.

33:49>> Um the arts and culture strategy plan

33:51RFP um is ready to go. So um we'll send

33:57that upstairs and they have to have

33:59legal review it. So it does take a

34:01little bit of time for it to get out the

34:03door, but it should get out the door in

34:04the next week or two.

34:05>> Okay. Um,

34:06>> and once it does, I'll send an email out

34:08to everybody so they can link to it to

34:11send it to, you know, post it to your

34:13socials, LinkedIn, whatever to get that

34:17word out, too.

34:18>> That sounds great. And obviously the the

34:21deadline will be posted there,

34:23>> right? Yeah. Yeah.

34:25>> Cool. We need to I think we need to

34:29start reaching out to Oh, wait.

34:31Actually, question.

34:33um the steering committee that we will

34:36form.

34:37>> Yeah.

34:38>> Will the steering committee be part of

34:40the potential interview process for who

34:43gets hired through this RFP?

34:45>> I don't recommend it only because it

34:49just becomes,

34:52you know, like if you have the more

34:54people the more difficult the decision

34:56is type of thing. So, I think it's

34:58important to have somebody from the

35:00commission there. If you wanted to have

35:02another person, I think that's fine. Um,

35:05but you know, to have, you know, like an

35:08eight person

35:09>> Yeah.

35:09>> committee for it's a small contract. So,

35:12yeah,

35:12>> sounds good. Um,

35:16so then we'll need to form the steering

35:18committee for when they start.

35:20>> Yeah.

35:20>> I'm assuming there's going to be like

35:22>> a monthline from when it gets posted to

35:25when the applications are due. probably

35:27another

35:28>> several weeks of interviews and

35:30contracting and

35:31>> right

35:32>> um paper signing all that stuff. So

35:34we're probably looking at a January

35:37>> start for this work. Right.

35:38>> Great. Um so that's

35:42um I don't think we have to then decide

35:45today who we might want to ask. I don't

35:47think we have to start outreach yet.

35:50>> No, I don't think so. But I think maybe

35:52next month.

35:53>> Yeah,

35:53>> we start. Yeah. Um so think about

35:57whether you want to be part of that

35:59process. Um I do think we should have

36:03obviously we need representation of the

36:04steering committee from this commission.

36:06Um and the cultural asset committee will

36:09be the first step but anybody can be on

36:12the cultural asset committee. Um does

36:14not have to be Cal. In fact I think it

36:16should be spread out a little bit for

36:18workload. Um and this is going to be a

36:21big project. So, the more people we can

36:24have involved in this, I think the

36:26better

36:26>> from our commission to help.

36:31Um,

36:33any questions?

36:36I'm willing to help. I think it's a

36:38really positive thing for the city. I'm

36:39very excited for it and I'm probably the

36:42freest of anybody. So, put me to work.

36:45I'm I'm definitely looking forward to

36:47it. And Kaylee, put in your packet the

36:49>> I saw.

36:52>> Yeah, it was fun.

36:53>> Thank you.

36:54>> And we're gonna do it again at the

36:56farmer marketmber

36:58September.

36:59>> Yeah. So if anybody is at the farmers

37:02market over

37:04>> So then what's

37:07happening with all of these?

37:09>> Well, these are the kinds of things that

37:10we'll give a consultant to say this is

37:12what we've heard from the general

37:14public. I mean, obviously you as

37:17commissioners will impart, you know,

37:19some of the things you'd like to see,

37:21but this would be part of that.

37:25>> It'll jam five checks, four checks.

37:28>> Well, I have a few questions. Um, sorry.

37:32So, you know, I had a flurry of emails

37:34yesterday. Sorry for that. Um, but I did

37:36send a couple of thoughts on the R&P

37:38along, which I know are just the

37:40thoughts of one person. any of those

37:42make sense or those things to

37:43incorporate or not incorporate?

37:45>> Yeah, I'm trying to remember the

37:46different points, but I was going to

37:48make a couple of edits before it went

37:51finally went upstairs. So,

37:53>> yeah.

37:53>> Um, but I think the steering committee I

37:56think we talked about that. So, are you

37:58okay with that now?

38:00>> Did I did I miss an email or something

38:02coming? know you had a question about

38:04this.

38:04>> I I did which was um you know whether it

38:07maybe made sense to make it 9 or 11

38:10versus seven when think of all the

38:12constituents we have.

38:13>> Yeah. Or no

38:14>> I think I you know I think it's up to

38:16you guys but you know seven's always a

38:19good comfortable number but if you want

38:20to go to 11 nothing that's going to

38:22happen. Okay.

38:23>> Yeah.

38:25>> And at what point um would you want to

38:27engage beyond the farmers market and

38:30other things to you know start asking

38:33BSO

38:34um other artists in the community PTC

38:37the

38:37>> that'll be part of the process.

38:38>> That'll happen in the process.

38:40>> That's in the process.

38:41>> Okay. I I saw that it was in the process

38:43for sure. So sorry if I'm being clear. I

38:45just knew you're doing some outreach

38:46ahead of time. So

38:48>> yeah, this is just outreach, just

38:49general outreach I like to do every

38:51year. We like to be at the art show. We

38:53like to go out to farmers market.

38:56>> Gotcha.

38:57>> Yeah.

38:58>> Yeah. I want to make sure we don't do

39:01too much of this work before someone is

39:03hired so that they don't feel like we've

39:06done some work and they have to sort of

39:08figure out

39:09>> I follow you. Yeah.

39:10>> The work, you know, like I want the

39:12person coming in to do this work gets

39:14hired to have a say in how it gets done,

39:16what they their ideas. I mean, I think I

39:19did this to kind of get people excited

39:21about doing the project. Yeah. You know,

39:23to say, "Hey, this is going to influence

39:26this project that the commission's told

39:28me."

39:28>> Yeah.

39:29>> We don't want us to do that.

39:30>> Oh, no. That is totally fine. I was just

39:33saying the outreach to individual

39:36organizations and gathering input more

39:39specifically, I think, should be led by

39:41the person.

39:43>> That makes perfect sense to me. And you

39:45have a lot, you know, has more

39:46experience than I do. just wanted to

39:48make sure we weren't missing and like

39:49all in the guise of like you'd never

39:51want to stumble out of the gate and then

39:53you know not get the best possible

39:54outcome and something we're not because

39:56those things happen once the consultant

39:58is hired. It's not you know you don't do

40:00a lot of community outreach to start

40:02asking questions ahead of time and that

40:04you know this stuff is great. Okay. So

40:06um by design

40:08>> other pe other voices come in once that

40:10gets inside and so Okay. Excellent.

40:13That's good to know.

40:14>> Oh yeah excited.

40:15>> Great.

40:15>> Yeah. Really excited. Thank you. some

40:17really good ideas too from the public.

40:20>> Yeah. Like

40:22>> people were really excited too.

40:23>> I know. Well, I get I think people want

40:27people positive change and I think that

40:30everything.

40:34>> Yes. Awesome.

40:35>> After this and they're both like busting

40:38because a lot of people support

40:56just be

40:56>> self.

41:06Um, something we were just kind of

41:08talking about on a staff level is

41:10targeting the West Market Square area

41:12and Broad Street area to increase

41:14pedestrian traffic and community

41:16engagement during Arctober. So, we put a

41:18couple of questions in the packet and

41:20just want some general feedback of like

41:22what type of installation in that area

41:24might help further increase foot traffic

41:27or could something be physically

41:30procured within our limitations? That is

41:33some type of art installation in that

41:34area. and also like getting a pulse on

41:37what pre-existing events we already have

41:39that seem to generate a lot of foot

41:41traffic in that spot of town.

41:47I think to the last question I think the

41:49pan group does a lot gets a lot of

41:51people there

41:54>> Thursday night

41:55>> Thursday

41:57they get a lot of people

41:58>> I was thinking about when I read it

42:00about the fish that they brought that

42:02the downtown partnership the fish

42:04>> that they put in front of the library

42:06remember and that was really cool I

42:08don't know if it's still available if

42:09the artist still has it around the area

42:12>> that

42:14I came out like I came out of my

42:18>> [laughter]

42:26>> is that like an idea maybe to have a

42:29shortterm installation of these bars

42:31like that

42:34>> West Market Square

42:37is there are there plans for the street

42:39to be turned into a pedestrian street?

42:43No, we're just like what how can we

42:45activate that space more

42:48>> um you know just to a lot of people

42:51gravitate towards towards that area

42:53normally but it would be great to just

42:55have that space more active

42:57>> um I think

42:58>> for that month or

43:00>> well yeah I mean at beginning you know

43:03October but it would be great to have

43:05some some things going there throughout

43:06the summer I know Betsy does a lot it's

43:09like we could augment that a little bit

43:11more Yeah, I was just gonna say I think

43:14we should work with Betsy

43:15>> just Yeah, just just before that. No,

43:16she and I have talked about this. So,

43:17she about

43:19>> she's also the one who made the fish

43:21connection the first might know

43:24>> Yeah.

43:24>> where that fish is or if there's maybe

43:27another animal

43:29>> that that artist,

43:30>> right?

43:32>> Actually, I also working on like we're

43:34trying we're working with um that

43:37company that does the you know the

43:39immersive Van Go exhibit.

43:42that was trying to do something

43:44something like that here.

43:48That would be awesome.

43:49>> Yeah. So, we got a bunch of stuff going

43:53on.

43:54>> That would be very very cool.

43:57>> Another idea for that is to put up a

43:59stage for the kids. Like there is a

44:01stage at the sidewalk art festival that

44:03the younger kids were playing at. And

44:05there was a lot of people that stopped

44:07watching those kids. But I mean, and it

44:09wasn't a big like PA system or anything,

44:11you know, but just a small stage for

44:12like a little kids battle of bands or

44:14whatever down in that space would bring

44:17people over to that end. And

44:19>> yeah,

44:19>> I don't know, just an idea that wouldn't

44:22be expensive. I mean, they bring their

44:24own equipment and

44:27>> Yeah. Yeah. And related to that, um, you

44:29know, some of the best ideas are stolen.

44:32We were in a small city in Canada

44:34similar size to Bangor and they had a a

44:36real small stage that couldn't have fit

44:38more or two people on it. It was like an

44:40open mic space. Yeah. It was sponsored

44:43and it you know I'm sure there was some

44:44vetting process to get a slot to do it

44:47but it was pretty neat. It was a space

44:49like West Markets where

44:51>> stood [clears throat] out to me as

44:52something interesting.

44:53>> Yeah.

44:55>> Yeah. I want to play music.

44:56>> That would be wicked cool.

44:58I have dreams of DJing on top of the

45:00parking garage, but we're

45:04talking about

45:09>> I can go up there, but I can't have

45:10people.

45:19>> Yeah, that'd be

45:22>> Yeah, I'd love to be able to figure that

45:24out. Yeah.

45:25>> Haven't really thought about that as

45:27much yet. And first Friday is wrapping

45:29up in October for the year.

45:31>> So maybe something to think about for

45:32next year.

45:33>> Yeah. I mean, I think some of these are

45:34bigger ideas.

45:35>> Yeah.

45:35>> Yeah. I'm happy to like those kind

45:39[clears throat] of things. Yeah, for

45:40sure. You know, the artwork is ready to

45:43grow. Ready to do.

45:44>> Yeah. Then paper and square is good for

45:46big art. Um like music things pretty

45:49adjacent to that space.

45:51>> Yep.

45:52And right as the panels end up with

45:56something at some point, um there's just

46:00going to be a little space. I

46:02>> do think

46:04>> it's fairly true because I mean you can

46:06kind of see one broad

46:11when I'm moving like right about

46:17>> to do that.

46:20>> We also

46:23time

46:32warehouse

46:34of art.

46:43They're just sitting in a warehouse.

46:59I also take going,

47:07>> but I would like for it to be like

47:09allowed and encouraged.

47:11>> Is there a city orienting busing here in

47:14the city?

47:14>> No, I don't actually bus because I've

47:16never out there waiting.

47:18>> Yeah,

47:18>> but I don't think so. There's that guy

47:20who's always in Pickering Square

47:22catwalling.

47:22>> Yeah, it's always

47:25guitar.

47:27>> Yeah. So, I don't think so. But

47:30>> I would like again it's one of those

47:32things if I got in trouble like

47:34>> or ask for forgiveness rather than

47:36permission

47:37>> because Tracy and I uh Tracy that parks

47:40and rec director and I talked about

47:41doing you know maybe as part of this

47:44sort of result of the strategy is that

47:47there is a sort of a busking plan. You

47:50know that there's somebody in this spot

47:52and then this spot this you know just to

47:54kind of coordinate it even a little bit.

47:56Yeah.

47:57>> Yeah.

48:02>> Or even like bigger cities, they have

48:05the gold. They got to have a golden ret.

48:09[laughter]

48:21>> Yes.

48:23>> Yes. That would be really cool. And they

48:25could also Basket makes somebody love

48:27you.

48:31>> Do you guys remember the tuba guy?

48:32>> Oh, he was a tuba

48:34>> walking around playing a tuba, right?

48:36>> I missed that entirely.

48:37>> It was awesome.

48:40>> I had a trumpet that I can't play. Well,

48:42I

48:43>> So, we don't know whether there's like a

48:44city permit to be a busker or anything.

48:46>> It looks for busking you have to do an

48:48event permit.

48:49>> Okay.

48:50>> Okay.

48:51>> And it's like a $25 upright.

48:53>> So, that might be a project for the

48:54future. work on like you know a way to

48:57allow that with that's a little easier.

49:00>> Yeah,

49:02>> we can fight with a busk in October

49:05though. I suppose

49:06>> maybe there could be a

49:09cultural grant

49:12>> where we pay bus.

49:15>> Oh.

49:15>> Oh, good idea. Bus for a year like once

49:19a week and

49:21>> and then you just get stone. Yeah. And

49:23I'm sure Three months.

49:25>> We're doing it for a year. They'd

49:26probably give us a some sort of deal,

49:28right?

49:30>> Yeah.

49:31>> Do it for less.

49:32>> No, that's cool.

49:34>> But a broader idea to make that a more

49:36vibrant space with more arts culture

49:40here

49:41going that's going near there, but not

49:43quite in Pickering Square. It's over by

49:45the bank just

49:49>> so you can see it from that

49:51intersection. Not quite when you're

49:54driving. Not when you're in West Market

49:56Square, but

49:56>> I know

50:00>> that is going up in the next few weeks.

50:03>> Very exciting.

50:05>> Um I think their opening for it is

50:07September 26th.

50:09>> Yeah,

50:09>> I think Saturday

50:12>> I will be there. Science. Um

50:17before I go through events things for

50:20you know greater public good um any

50:23final thoughts?

50:25>> It just occurred to me that the because

50:28the grants are due October 1st we need

50:31to start making sure that the word goes

50:34out about grants. Um, and I don't recall

50:40how how we are get we've been getting

50:43that information out.

50:45>> We usually ask um Dave to do something

50:48in the um city's Facebook page,

50:51>> social media

50:52>> and the website

50:54>> Facebook

50:54>> and then people can share it

50:58to share it.

50:59>> I I think I also in the spring I think I

51:02sent an email. I was going to say

51:04previous applicants.

51:05>> We had an email I think that I want to

51:08do that again and I think I'm also this

51:11weekend gonna do that for previous

51:13nominees.

51:15Hey, the forms help him,

51:17>> right?

51:19>> Let's do some direct outreach.

51:21>> Um that usually gets us more

51:26>> the words response.

51:30Um so if you know anybody who should be

51:32nominated you you all can nominate

51:34people um you can also selfnominate

51:38little bit of conflict of interest to

51:40nominate yourself

51:43but um you can send a link to a friend

51:46and say hey please nominate me that's

51:49fine um I would love to get at least 20

51:54arts award nominations you signed next

51:56Thursday we're at 10 now we got on

51:59today.

52:00>> Okay. Well, one of those is a test that

52:02I I put in.

52:04>> I wanted to make sure the um

52:06>> essay part was coming.

52:07>> Yes.

52:08>> So, you'll take care of reaching out to

52:10Dave about submitting putting something

52:13on social media.

52:15>> Yeah. Is there any particular language

52:18you might have that you want included

52:20with that or

52:21>> um included with like updating the

52:23website and

52:24>> can we

52:27see what was sent out last year?

52:30I can have to do some dating, but I

52:34>> if we can see what was sent out last

52:36year, maybe we can update it with like,

52:38>> you know, we have more money. [laughter]

52:42>> We should for sure

52:44>> so that we can highlight that. That

52:46would be great. And then um

52:49I will send you like those small changes

52:53to the application. I'll copy. Do I

52:56should I copy the entire commission

52:58on those changes or do I just need to

53:01because it's it's literally just like

53:03>> Yeah,

53:04>> perfect. I will send those over um

53:07tomorrow.

53:10>> Great. I'm just taking a really quick

53:13look at

53:15the Instagram to see if I can find

53:32Sorry, one second.

53:50parking.

53:51Um,

53:54all right. I'm not finding it,

53:58but

54:00I was supposed We've also made our own

54:02in the past. We do have a cool stuff

54:05also.

54:07There we go.

54:09Um, cool.

54:12Um,

54:16if you like scary things,

54:17>> go see the Witch Theater. Um, first

54:20Friday is this Friday just with lots of

54:23fun things happening in town. Um,

54:27anything else happening over the next

54:30few weeks

54:32that anybody likes music in the park?

54:34I'm playing in Hayford Park every

54:37Thursday. We're having DJs and a crowd.

54:39We've had about 20 30 people turn up

54:41pretty regularly for the past seasons.

54:43We're going to start doing them again in

54:45the fall.

54:46I'm a part of six to eight. It's over on

54:49Union Street. It overlooks the baseball

54:51field and the water park.

54:52>> Yeah. Yeah. Lighting.

54:54>> No, Thursday. Thursday 63rd.

54:57>> Yeah. Thursday 6 to 8. Yeah.

55:01>> Like a skateboard competition coming up

55:03over there for the kids.

55:04>> I don't know because we play like way up

55:06at the top of the hill. So like we're

55:07like I can't even see the skateboard.

55:10>> I was really excited about that.

55:12>> Skateboard parks down low.

55:15What else is I'm DJing at Patty Murphy's

55:18on the 26th?

55:21>> Golden Pond opens next week. Yes.

55:31>> Yep. And then the mural opens at the end

55:33of September.

55:36>> I have a solo show at Rock that opens

55:38not in September but in October.

55:40>> Do you fantastic? [clears throat]

55:43Congratulations.

55:44>> And then the AIGA other board that I'm

55:47on poster shows at the library in

55:50October, November. That opening is

55:51October 8th.

55:53>> The Declaration of Independence is going

55:55to be at the

55:56>> library the 17th to the 19th.

55:59>> Okay.

56:00>> Then the you have to get a ticket in

56:02advance, but it's free. They're just

56:04trying to pull up.

56:06>> Yeah.

56:06>> We make sure they know how many people

56:08will be there.

56:09>> All right. Yep.

56:10>> Great.

56:10>> Awesome. Hopefully we'll see what's

56:12going on.

```*