2026-09-21 - Infrastructure Committee

01:13Good morning.

01:15Good evening everyone.

01:17Tonight is the regularly scheduled

01:19construction committee meeting. It is

01:21September 21st and it is 6:26.

01:25And

01:26uh the first business of order tonight

01:28will be to um

01:29replace um that committee member that's

01:32um

01:33not on the committee tonight. And I'd

01:35like to ask Council Miller if he would

01:37like to be on the committee.

01:41>> Yes, am I audible to the committee?

01:43>> No, you're not.

01:44>> I don't I thought I was.

01:46>> Okay, can you hear me?

01:47>> I will.

01:47>> Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

01:48>> I'll second that.

01:52>> Um

01:53uh committee members that are present

01:55tonight are uh Council Dean, Council

01:58Beck,

01:59um Counselor has stepped out. I expect

02:01that he won't return. Counselor will be

02:05included in this meeting.

02:07Counselor will be joining us and

02:10I am counselor and I am chair.

02:13First item up tonight I believe will be

02:16the downtown snow removal plan

02:18with Jeff Cranson.

02:21>> Hello David engineers.

02:24Um

02:25Most of these are actually rather folks

02:27to talk about so

02:28downtown snow removal plan is

02:31Anya

02:32and David

02:33public works here

02:35to try and help that if we need to but I

02:36think Anya is going to kick it off and

02:38if there are any questions we can

02:40>> So um

02:42Planning an issue with this proposal

02:43because this came from our public

02:45outreach committee and we worked with

02:47public works to develop this plan. But

02:50basically one of the issues we've heard

02:52about from several people is

02:55with snow removal downtown there's

02:57issues with parking being banned for

02:59several days at a time and it can impact

03:02residents and businesses and one of the

03:04solutions that came out of that outreach

03:05was splitting downtown into zones. So

03:08parking would be banned in one zone

03:10while snow was removed there and people

03:12could park in the other and vice versa.

03:14Um so public works drafted a map of how

03:17that would look, what zone boundaries

03:19would be. That was the map included in

03:21the packet and

03:24I think I don't know if the signs are

03:26out yet. The signs would be placed

03:27around downtown showing

03:30you know which streets are in which

03:32zones.

03:33>> Yeah

03:34David director of public works. The

03:36signs are not out yet but waiting for

03:37this meeting to happen to get you guys

03:39approval or thoughts on this process.

03:42When we should get the approval we'll

03:44have the signs made and we'll get them

03:45up before the first snow falls.

03:47And the 60 to 80 signs that we'll be

03:49putting up. I'd like to emphasize the

03:52emphasis is on west or east and not red

03:54or green. Uh so there'll be two triggers

03:57for people to be able to look and see a

03:59color or read the word west and east

04:01zone on what's going to be after street

04:03parking for that night.

04:05>> And um David Horn will be doing a public

04:08outreach campaign about, you know, the

04:10new system and letting people know ahead

04:12of the storm season which zones are

04:14affected and what not.

04:16Um

04:17Are there any questions on that?

04:20Just come to us with any questions.

04:21Counselor Beck?

04:22>> Sure. Um I guess as part of the

04:24education process, two things. One is it

04:26possible to do something on the radio as

04:29well? I know before that they were

04:30having different staff members go down

04:32and be on the radio and talk about

04:33things in the city. I mean this being a

04:35big change, is it possible to get

04:37something out through the radio that

04:39way?

04:40Um and then the other suggestion was,

04:42can we do something on the website to

04:44have it, you know, like Bangor

04:45Maine.gov/snowremoval

04:47or downtown snow removal plan something.

04:50So that people can point people to the

04:51map quickly and easily.

04:53>> Yeah. We We have a snow section on our

04:56webpage and just for everybody's

04:58knowledge here, I'm getting ready to do

04:59a podcast and first podcast is going to

05:01be on paving, second's going to be on

05:03winter operations and part of the zoning

05:06will be part of that podcast that we're

05:07going to put together. So

05:11>> We can definitely talk to David Horn

05:12about um

05:13the radio story and making things

05:15accessible and stuff on the website.

05:19Any other questions? Counselor Lanigan?

05:21>> A very, very specific question regarding

05:24uh Franklin Street and just how it like

05:26what was the decision behind the like

05:28having it maybe jut out to

05:32>> The one-way street.

05:35>> Okay.

05:36>> Simple answer.

05:37>> [laughter]

05:38>> It's just the direction of travel and

05:40how how that works. So

05:41>> Okay. And the only reason I ask is Uh,

05:45for for the most part that the district

05:47is fairly like standard, like uh pretty

05:49easy to uh

05:51understand. I

05:52>> It was a creek. It was the boundary

05:54basically east and west of the creek,

05:55so.

05:56>> Yeah, and and

05:57And I'm and I'm sure you guys are going

05:59to be doing

06:01a decent job getting PSAs out there. Um,

06:04I I can already tell though that there

06:07are going to be citizens that are going

06:10to say, "Oh, I thought the east was okay

06:13to park this evening." So, I I I guess

06:16my question is like how are we going to

06:19reduce the amount of

06:21issues that we'll have with citizens

06:23that just are still new to the process

06:26and they're trying to understand the new

06:30parking requirements.

06:32>> Uh, well, we've made those efforts

06:33already. I mailed out 18,000 mailers to

06:35get people to sign up for alerts and

06:38notifications, and 500 people have

06:40signed up for it out of 18,000. So, if

06:42we get more of a push for people to sign

06:44up and

06:45get those notifications, they'll know

06:47what's what's happening.

06:49Uh, Dave Warren does a good job putting

06:50stuff out. I put stuff as a splash

06:52screen on my website. And the amount of

06:55signs we're going to put up uh, you

06:57know, we'll clearly define the street

06:59uh,

07:00as a western and east zone.

07:02>> And we also have that um sign out here

07:04in the triangle. [clears throat] I think

07:06a lot of people see that. We can talk to

07:08them.

07:08>> They do. And I I definitely hear from my

07:12circle of

07:13community that like just some of them

07:16received those mailers and

07:18um, I just want us to be prepared for

07:21citizens that are going to be agitated.

07:23That that that's all I'm really

07:26um putting out there because it doesn't

07:27matter how good our PSAs are, someone is

07:30going to not hear the news.

07:32>> Well, yeah, it's hard these days

07:34especially with so many ways.

07:37It's almost like it's a good thing and a

07:39bad thing the number we find out about

07:40things, but not everybody pays attention

07:42final thing but

07:43we'll try our best.

07:45>> Yeah.

07:46I guess that's really all I have on on

07:48this.

07:49>> Once we begin, once we learn the

07:51boundaries and we are familiar with east

07:53and west

07:54zoning

07:56would there be any other implications

07:57for using these zones other than snow

07:59removal?

08:00Is there anything that we would, you

08:01know,

08:03maybe just

08:04come to

08:06think of the city's put like that so

08:08that it's not so foreign or is it only

08:10really for snow removal? Think of any

08:12other

08:12>> At the inception it's snow removal but I

08:14mean sky's the limit on what you can use

08:16it for for different things that are

08:18going on so

08:19>> I just feel like we'll probably forget

08:20about it once the spring comes then, you

08:22know.

08:23>> [clears throat]

08:23>> And we'll have another PSA and

08:26make sure people know again that

08:28parking bans are coming.

08:30>> And yeah, we will have the signs that

08:32they're following on the streets so

08:33they'll be there year round.

08:34>> Yes, they're just little signs that will

08:36go on existing signposts already so

08:38they're not something we're going to go

08:40put up and take down and put up and take

08:41down. They'll be they'll be there.

08:43They're

08:43I don't know, 4 by 6 signs.

08:45>> So maybe during parades we would

08:48say you could park on the east side or

08:50the west side.

08:51Potentially there could be some other

08:53Yeah.

08:54uses. Potentially. Well, we won't know

08:56until we get there.

08:57>> [laughter]

09:00>> Very good. [clears throat] Well, thank

09:01you for that information. Anyone else

09:03have any

09:04questions or comments?

09:08Thank you. Talk fast. Thank you.

09:10>> Yeah,

09:11we got the idea from 2-day screen.

09:15>> Thank you.

09:18Next on the agenda we have the Finch

09:20Street Forest Management Plan.

09:22>> The developer I don't have to do

09:23anything so I'm just going to read it.

09:25Steve Bennett, you can go over it.

09:29>> Okay. Avis has joined us now.

09:31>> Good evening.

09:35to start.

09:36Good

09:39Good evening, Park. It's evening about

09:41two forest management plans. First one I

09:43will touch on is forest management plan

09:46for Prentice Woods.

09:48For those of you who are in Maine have

09:50to be familiar with the layout of

09:53Prentice Woods. It is located adjacent

09:55to Bangor High School on the north side

09:58of Grand View Avenue.

10:00Um, in our research within the Forestry

10:03Division, um, the last time a forest

10:05management plan was

10:07prepared and put into practice

10:10was in 1965

10:13by my predecessor,

10:15um, Thurl Harry.

10:17Um, since then, um, it has been a tandem

10:20effort by Parks and Recreation and, um,

10:25Public Works Forestry Division to manage

10:27the parcel for a number of goals. Um,

10:31those six management objectives remain

10:35fairly consistent throughout Parks and

10:37Rec's, um,

10:38properties that have large forested

10:41acreage. Um, Prentice Wood

10:45Woods in total has 25 acres proper

10:48within the bounds described and

10:51belonging to

10:53Parks and Rec. Um, however, locally

10:57and a lot of the trails actually go on

11:00to school department property, part of

11:02the high school. There's a large red

11:04pine plantation.

11:06So, this forest management plan also

11:08includes those forested acreages. I

11:10think they are [snorts]

11:12known to be part of Prentice Wood.

11:15Um,

11:16that brings it up to 40 acre

11:19for Prentice Woods and other forested

11:22properties, we have the same six

11:24management

11:25objectives given to us and worked up

11:29with Parks and Recreation Director Tracy

11:31Willette and his staff. And those six

11:34objectives are to provide safe

11:36recreational opportunities for the

11:38citizens of Bangor,

11:40improve tree quality and forest health,

11:43protect local waters, cultural

11:45artifacts, and wildlife habitats,

11:48demonstrate good forest management,

11:50provide educational opportunities, and

11:53improve access.

11:55Uh we've laid out a number of goals

11:58within this particular plan

12:00as ways to enhance

12:02the property, and um we'll work in

12:05tandem with Parks and Recreation to

12:08source funding and split up the work

12:10efforts we have laid out in order to

12:12manage the forest.

12:17>> Do we have any questions?

12:25I guess it's just informational at this

12:27point. You don't need anything from us.

12:30>> No.

12:30>> And I think you're up next as well.

12:33>> Yes. Um in addition to Prentice Woods,

12:37we are moving on to Brown Woods, which

12:39is also a Parks and Recreation property

12:42managed in tandem with uh

12:44the Forestry Division uh

12:46works.

12:48Brown Wood is located about midway on

12:51Ohio Street just past Finson Road

12:54um outbound. Um it shares the same six

12:58management objectives just the same as

13:01as other forested properties that uh

13:05Parks and Rec and Forestry Division

13:07manages.

13:08Um Brown Woods is approximately 25

13:11acres, um

13:13and we were able to find all four corner

13:16pins and pretty stout boundary evidence

13:20on the properties, so we

13:22we have a very good idea of where the

13:23property lines lie within that.

13:26Um the recommendations for Brown Woods

13:29would involve

13:32kind of rehabbing the parking lot and

13:34doing some trail and infrastructure

13:37improvement within the interior of Brown

13:40Woods.

13:41Um,

13:42and typically both Brown Woods and

13:44Prentice Woods, we are not interested in

13:49commercial timber management. They're

13:51recreational properties. We are just

13:53merely going to manage the forest for

13:56aesthetics, forest health, and then

13:59the safety of recreators

14:02um, on those properties.

14:05>> Any questions?

14:08I have a question. Um, I didn't see any

14:11um,

14:12cost estimated cost. Is it too early to

14:15know? Do we know?

14:16>> It It is too early to know until we we

14:19have developed a work plan, but I have

14:22not yet prepared an estimate um, because

14:25the work we do with Parks and Rec is

14:27already part of my existing

14:30um, in-house payroll budget. Um, I don't

14:33have

14:36estimates for for these improvements.

14:39>> Okay.

14:42And on that subject,

14:43we have some tree donations.

14:45>> Yes. What What again?

14:47Um, I have a I have a number of tree

14:50donations to speak about this evening.

14:52Uh, the first tree donation I'm I'm

14:55going to speak about is a joint donation

14:58from Maine Audubon and a local nonprofit

15:02Bangor Beautiful. Um, this proposal for

15:06donation was made possible by the Maine

15:08Forest Service Project Canopy Grant

15:10Program. Um, the grant program also

15:14allowed the City of Bangor to develop a

15:181-acre tree nursery on the Finson Road.

15:21Um

15:23funds from the Project Canopy grant were

15:25used to construct that um

15:28tree nursery out on the Finson Road, and

15:31that will be staffed by volunteers, and

15:33we have a number of our trees within

15:36that nursery waiting to be outplanted

15:39this fall.

15:41For this particular planting donation

15:45proposal, um Maine Audubon and Bangor

15:47Beautiful is proposing the donation and

15:50installation labor of 25 trees.

15:54These 25 trees will be going within the

15:58Abbott Square parking lot where those

16:00Bangor farmers market is being held.

16:03Um of those 25 trees, the planting

16:06proposal included 10 trees within the

16:10center medians of the Abbott Square

16:14parking lot.

16:16As of the time of this meeting, uh the

16:19city does not have funds to install

16:22those center medians. Um currently, what

16:25is in place now is just a paved parking

16:28lot with painted dividers as a median

16:31with um white posts.

16:33Uh the proposal from

16:36Bangor Beautiful was to develop a raised

16:40median which we could plant. Um at this

16:43time, uh

16:45city departments and divisions do not

16:47have the funds allocated to create those

16:51medians, so these tree donations will be

16:54held at the city nursery

16:57until funding for that particular

17:00project

17:02has been found, so.

17:05Um the total value of those 25 trees is

17:08$3,140.

17:12>> Okay.

17:13Um any questions?

17:17I'll go back.

17:18>> In the event that that unable to find

17:21quality of whatever trees, you can find

17:23a new location for them?

17:24>> Yes. Yeah.

17:25Um we do a number of of out-planting. I

17:27believe this

17:29this fall we're planting a little over

17:3170 trees, and then in the springtime

17:34closer to 50 or 60.

17:41>> Any other questions?

17:44Nobody?

17:45>> When we lose a tree in a neighborhood,

17:48does the property owner have any input

17:50as to what kind of tree is replaced?

17:53>> Yes. Yes. Um typically, if the property

17:56owner has interest, I provide them with

17:58an approved planting list.

18:00Um our

18:02planning division and my forestry

18:04technician has prepared a suggested

18:08replanting list, and this replanting

18:11list contains everything from perennial,

18:14shrubs,

18:16flowers, grasses, all the way up to

18:19large canopy trees, and um this list is

18:23prepared in a way where we are able to

18:26replant and have suggestions from

18:29residents that would have us installing

18:31a right tree in a right place. Um I'm

18:34sure we're all familiar with with very

18:36large tree somewhere it probably should

18:38not be planted and has been pruned such

18:41that it does not have an appropriate

18:43shape and so.

18:45>> Thank you.

18:47Thank you.

18:49Do you need [clears throat] an action on

18:51the list to accept

18:53the nomination? Do I have a motion?

18:54>> So moved.

18:55>> Second.

18:58>> Any done?

19:00Okay.

19:01Here we go. We need

19:02to find motion to accept the free

19:04donation as we said we can't plant them

19:06right now.

19:07>> We'll find a new home.

19:10>> I thought that's what happened.

19:12All right, so moved to accept this

19:14discussion.

19:17>> Oh, we have a couple.

19:19Sorry, we have two more tree donations

19:21to talk about. Sorry.

19:22>> Oh, sorry about that.

19:23>> No problem.

19:26Um

19:27Second tree donation is also from Maine

19:29Audubon. He's extra three trees will be

19:33housed within the nursery until we find

19:35a suitable location to outplant them. Um

19:38these three trees have a value of $790.

19:45>> Do we need a motion to accept these

19:47gifts?

19:48>> So moved. Second.

19:51>> Okay, do we need another motion?

19:53>> We do. Um

19:55This This has been a very busy fall um

19:58for suggested tree donations. Um City

20:01Bangor Orchard Division were contacted

20:03by ReTree US. Um they are a nonprofit

20:09um

20:10pretty much orchard planting

20:13uh group who has reached out to Fruit

20:16Street School and they have come up with

20:19an agreement with Principal Richard

20:21Fournier and an orchard caretaker, one

20:24of the teachers or Otis. Um and have a

20:28proposal to plant uh 10 fruit-bearing

20:32trees and then care for those

20:34fruit-bearing trees.

20:36Um in addition to the cost for the

20:39trees, the um

20:41ReTree US has also offered a yearly

20:46maintenance stipend for

20:48um for Otis to care for those trees um

20:52$1,000 per year for supplies

20:56and other efforts to care for those

20:58trees.

21:00>> Okay.

21:01>> [clears throat]

21:01>> Um

21:02Do we need a motion to accept those

21:04trees as well as the donation?

21:06>> Yes. So moved.

21:07>> Okay, I'm sorry. I didn't

21:09>> There's

21:10>> It says 2000 or 6000.

21:13Is that for 2 years?

21:15>> Uh

21:19>> Well, that's fine before just

21:22>> I don't have to verify that with the

21:24registry as far as the yearly

21:26maintenance.

21:29Do you have that on you?

21:30>> I don't have it on me.

21:31>> Yes.

21:33>> How's this?

21:34>> Okay, so Well

21:36I'm so glad.

21:37>> I didn't have a question to ask you. I

21:38was just out of curiosity the the fruit

21:39that these trees bear, do they just give

21:41it to the kids with the school lunches

21:43or what do they do with the fruit?

21:44>> Um that I actually do not know. Um this

21:48was more or less something that was

21:50organized

21:52through Fruit Street School and then

21:55they reached out to forestry division

21:57for some supplies and identified them

21:59that it did need to go to a

22:01infrastructure prior to being accepted

22:04in the city.

22:07>> Any other questions?

22:10So um

22:11I'm just wondering if we need to table

22:12this until we get verification of the

22:14amount of money because um

22:19We don't know if that's for 1 year or 2

22:21years.

22:26And I don't see what I can see. Oh, it

22:28says offers a yearly maintenance stipend

22:31of 1000, but it doesn't clarify in that

22:34commentary as to

22:36and when to

22:39You can get back to us with that.

22:45I'm so glad you have any other

22:46questions.

22:49>> He's going.

22:50>> Sorry about that.

23:04Now we have the fire pond.

23:05>> Yeah.

23:07>> I wrote my name but it's actually only

23:08we're going to talk about that.

23:16>> Um

23:18So, we're bringing a proposal to council

23:21um

23:22that it be city policy that we um accept

23:26maintenance of fire ponds in

23:28subdivisions where a public right-of-way

23:30is also proposed. And um we did discuss

23:33this extensively with staff and um our

23:36reason is that

23:39for multiple reasons um these fire ponds

23:41need to be constructed in a certain way

23:43and if they're not maintained long-term

23:45that can pose a risk to the people

23:47living in that subdivision.

23:49Um and on top of that if something were

23:51to happen to these homes, it could

23:53increase insurance rates for people in

23:56the rest of the city.

23:57Um and a lot of times these homeowners

23:59associations

24:01or um developers themselves don't have

24:03the expertise to maintain these over

24:05time. Um and fire advised that if they

24:09are constructed properly, which um they

24:12should be because fire's going to have

24:14to inspect these anyway, um the

24:15maintenance needs should be pretty low

24:17long-term. It shouldn't cost a lot. Um

24:20and so they didn't they thought they

24:22could cover maintenance out of their

24:23regular budget. Um

24:25and we don't really see, you know, a ton

24:27of these um

24:29subdivisions going in anyway, so um and

24:32the other thing too is that when

24:34somebody's on public water and they have

24:37to build a new hydrant city accepts

24:39maintenance responsibility for those

24:40hydrants as well. So it would kind of be

24:42a similar situation just in the rural

24:44area.

24:45Um

24:47we did have the and I brought this to

24:49you before for that open space with the

24:51TNT uh Roseledge subdivision on Pushaw

24:53Road. They are constructing a fire pond

24:56on the open space that was being deeded

24:59to the city and they requested that the

25:00city

25:01take care of the maintenance on that

25:02fire pond long term. So, this policy did

25:05that.

25:08Do you want to add anything to that?

25:10>> Uh

25:12I mean we you talked about we we met

25:14with uh

25:15our safety there.

25:17They were they're on board with this.

25:20And I think same with our storm water

25:22manager and engineering, so.

25:24>> Yeah, and that's the same policy that we

25:25use for storm water treatment. The city

25:28accepts responsibility for that as well,

25:29so.

25:31Are there any questions?

25:32>> I have a question.

25:34I know you're not talking about this,

25:35but I noticed it said that we didn't

25:37have an easement for the one on Pushaw

25:40Road. Are we going to get an easement? I

25:41mean it's difficult to do maintenance if

25:44we can't get to it.

25:45>> That was a different subdivision. So,

25:47the one on Pushaw is

25:48it's going to be a public road, so we're

25:50going to have access to that.

25:51>> Okay. Did we get permit did we get an

25:54easement on the one that was shown here?

25:57The 22 residential lots on Pushaw Road.

25:59>> That's the Rose Ledge one. We have it's

26:01a public road, so we don't need an

26:02easement. I think this was referring to

26:04a different development that was a long

26:06time ago.

26:08>> The 21?

26:09>> Yeah.

26:10The city never got an easement for that.

26:12>> We never got one?

26:12>> No.

26:13>> Do we need one?

26:14>> If they wanted us to maintain it.

26:16>> We're not maintaining it.

26:17>> We're not maintaining it.

26:17>> It's good. I just wanted to make sure of

26:19it.

26:21>> Do you

26:21think you want to

26:22>> Yes, I had a question just regarding the

26:25fire pond itself. Would that be used if

26:28additional water was needed above a

26:29tanker truck?

26:31Is that

26:32Is that our piece of it?

26:33Just for the way first just working with

26:35>> Yeah, so instead of hooking up to the

26:36hydrant like out front, they hook up to

26:38like a forestry hydrant coming from the

26:39pond. So, there's an active water source

26:41right at the fire.

26:42>> It said for emergency use. So, would

26:45that be their first source to go to this

26:47fire pond or would they have another

26:48source as the secondary use?

26:50>> Um

26:51I don't know. I don't know. I'm not I'm

26:53not sure but I'm pretty sure it would be

26:55I think when they say emergency use it

26:56just you know active fire team they know

26:59>> I just wondered it's not

27:01I'm sure it would be the primary because

27:03this is

27:04the fire pump is so that areas more

27:07rural areas would get the yeah.

27:11>> No if they don't have access to hydrant

27:13or pond or they have like these

27:16mixture ponds that they set up in the

27:18roadway and then they they keep filling

27:19that up. So that just replaces

27:22lot easier.

27:26>> Any other questions?

27:29So

27:31you have a few minutes to review so

27:33you have a few minutes to if

27:35when the neighbors

27:38Is there any any general consensus or do

27:41you don't need a vote for you

27:43I don't know I think we probably should

27:45have vote.

27:46>> I think too

27:48I just got to ask a question first. I'm

27:49just curious.

27:51Now if we're they're not deeding the

27:54pond to us or are they?

27:56>> No I'm just curious as to who paid taxes

27:58on the pond.

28:00Um the development

28:02>> where the pond is and the Roseledge paid

28:05on the open space they deeded to the

28:07city.

28:08So we don't we don't get any on that

28:10one. Okay.

28:12But we potentially could on some of

28:13them.

28:14>> Yeah

28:15there's a natural way.

28:16>> Okay.

28:20So do you want to have a motion for the

28:22city to accept responsibility to

28:24maintain this fire pump?

28:26>> So moved.

28:27>> Seconded.

28:30Did you get it?

28:34Thank you.

28:40The

28:41last topic is it

28:42presentation

28:44>> Yeah we have a a

28:45street renaming

28:47um,

28:48on the agenda.

28:50And I'm going to have my GIS

28:52administrator, who's also our addressing

28:54administrator, John Miller, come up.

28:56Um, these are These are actually pretty

28:58simple

28:59renaming,

29:01um, issues, but, uh,

29:03John can

29:04talk about why we want to do it.

29:06>> Sure.

29:08Which one are we starting with?

29:09>> Uh,

29:11which one? I don't know which one we're

29:12going to do.

29:13>> Pleasant View Pleasant View Ave.

29:15>> Pleasant

29:16Pleasant View [clears throat]

29:17Pleasant View Ave. or Pleasant View

29:19>> Okay. Yeah, so this one's pretty

29:20interesting.

29:21Um,

29:22so when that street was originally laid

29:25out and 1908, it was named Pleasant View

29:27Street.

29:28And the first

29:3135 or so,

29:34uh, there were a lot of addresses that

29:35got put on that initially, um, back in

29:37the early 1900s, and they all said

29:38Pleasant View Street.

29:40Um,

29:41and in, uh, in the mid-50s, one of them

29:44got addressed as Pleasant View Avenue.

29:46We did no record for why, it just

29:48happened.

29:49I was going to say. And then

29:52we didn't know anything about it until,

29:53what was it about, uh, maybe 6 weeks

29:55ago, we had a resident call in,

29:58um, about getting a street sign changed.

30:00Why does the street sign say Pleasant

30:02View Street? Everybody uses Pleasant

30:04View Avenue.

30:05How do we fix this? Um, so we did a

30:07bunch of digging around, and we didn't

30:08find any record of Pleasant View Avenue

30:11anywhere other than this, um,

30:14this one address card from the '50s. The

30:16official record, I should say.

30:18Um, we did find some online sources like

30:20Google Maps and Apple Maps that were

30:21conflicting, but those aren't

30:23authoritative, you know.

30:24Um,

30:25so we talked to a few folks, and

30:27everybody told us that they used, uh,

30:30Pleasant View Avenue, and the big one

30:32for us is that I reached out to the

30:35letter carrier supervisor at the Bangor

30:37Post Office and had them sort of audit

30:40all of the mail that goes to that street

30:42over a couple days. And every single

30:44piece of mail that goes to the 12 houses

30:46on that street, kind of Pleasant View

30:47Avenue.

30:49So, it's just that's

30:50they just decided to rename it back in

30:52the '50s, and that's what everyone's

30:53been going with.

30:56Um and and there's really no impact. Um

30:59you know, like I said, there's only 12

31:00addresses there.

31:02Um

31:03it's not really going to cause any

31:04difficulties or any trouble for us to

31:06rename.

31:12>> I'm not on this committee, but just a

31:14question about how would this um or

31:17would it impact emergency services?

31:19>> So, it currently technically does

31:22because if someone who lives on that

31:24street calls 911 and they say there's a

31:26fire at 23 Pleasant View Avenue,

31:29>> [clears throat]

31:29>> when the dispatcher looks that up,

31:30they're not going to find that.

31:33And so, by making this change, we will

31:35correct that to the right direction that

31:37the residents and emergency services and

31:39postal service on that will be on the

31:41same page.

31:46>> I was going to jokingly just vote no on

31:48as for

31:50just because it's

31:51such a ridiculous thing overall to me

31:54that it's like a glitch in the matrix,

31:56but thank you for that point actually

31:58because that's a that is actually a

31:59serious issue. So, I will vote in favor

32:02of this. Also, make a motion to

32:04uh uh move forward with this name change

32:06for the street.

32:07>> Second.

32:09Any opposed?

32:11Okay, we'll change the street

32:13>> Yep, so the next step is I'll bring an

32:15order to the full council

32:17and we'll uh if that's approved, then

32:19we'll

32:19uh change it the

32:21uh

32:21>> [clears throat]

32:22>> map.

32:23And then Apple will change the sign.

32:28>> One more?

32:29>> Yep, and then the other one, this will

32:30be even simpler.

32:32Um

32:33this development, I can't remember all

32:34the name of it down on my my head.

32:37That little [clears throat] the street

32:38that connects Virginia Lane and Bowling

32:41Meadows

32:42was initially

32:44planned to extend farther to the east

32:48and it didn't. It's only 300 ft long

32:51and no houses ever got addressed on it.

32:54Um so it's not used for anything. It's

32:57just a 300 ft section of road that has

33:00that, you know,

33:01exists standalone for no useful purpose.

33:04And for all the individuals there cuz

33:07there are a number of properties that

33:08abut it and for all the individuals who

33:10live adjacent to it,

33:12they just refer to it as Virginia Lane.

33:15Because it you know, as you're driving

33:16down Virginia Lane and it just takes a

33:18hard right to or I'm sorry, it's just

33:20that hard right. Um it doesn't feel like

33:23you're getting on a new road. Um there

33:26is a sign at the intersection of Lilac

33:28Ave and Bowling Meadows Drive that says

33:30Lilac Ave.

33:32Um but none of the residents refer to it

33:34as that.

33:36And I don't believe any homes needing to

33:39be addressed on Lilac Avenue uh if we

33:43extend

33:44Virginia Avenue to that, we can also

33:46extend the address range. So if any of

33:48the parcels do get subdivided and we

33:50need to put an address on that

33:52extension, that's you know, there's no

33:54reason we couldn't put it on Virginia

33:56Lane as well. So.

33:58That's just to clear up mostly to clear

34:00up confusion because the residents don't

34:02understand why there's a sign there that

34:04says Lilac Ave because there's not a

34:05sign

34:07for the opposite corner of the street

34:09Lilac Ave and Virginia Lane.

34:12>> Any questions?

34:13>> Just for clarity, I know the names but I

34:15can't place where this neighborhood is.

34:17Where does this start?

34:19>> So Mount Hope Avenue.

34:20>> Just real quick.

34:21>> Yeah.

34:22>> Okay.

34:27>> This is a curiosity question. So these

34:29old signs when they get taken down or

34:31replaced, do they just get thrown out or

34:33do they get retired like does someone

34:36put them up on their office somewhere in

34:37the city and that's a piece of history

34:39of the city if you think about it.

34:40>> Um

34:42I that's there's a sign shop and I think

34:44there's a bunch of old signs sitting in

34:45that sign shop of public works.

34:49>> I have an old sign up there.

34:51>> Any questions or

34:52>> Only takes a

34:55>> Mr. Dow say turn that sign off.

34:57>> I'm just going to move staff

34:58recommendation.

34:59>> Second.

35:02>> [clears throat]

35:02>> Um any doubt?

35:05So um this will go on to council to

35:07change the name from Lila to

35:09Virginia.

35:10>> Yes, thank you.

35:11>> Quick question.

35:12>> Yes.

35:14>> It's re-

35:15>> on my end any repainting the gainers?

35:18>> I'm sorry. It's re-

35:19>> Uh I just want to note on this committee

35:21but I want to make a comment on the

35:23Pleasant

35:25uh View Street to Pleasant Ave renaming,

35:27you know, there's

35:28various departments starting into the

35:30podcasting world.

35:32I think there would be a large audience

35:34out there for weird things that happen

35:37municipal government over time. This is

35:39a great story about something that

35:42you've discovered. Right? I mean you

35:43just this committee just ratified an

35:45action from 1954 or whatever but that

35:48would make a great podcast episode if

35:51somebody's thinking about that out

35:52there.

35:55>> Is there anything else?

36:00Okay.

36:02So infrastructure uh committee

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