2026-09-11 - Bangor Livable Communities Committee

00:00uh domains of livability. So communities

00:03can look at these domains of livability

00:05and decide and that's what the this

00:08strategic plan was what are the gaps.

00:13So the community that we want to see u

00:17that we want to work on. It doesn't have

00:19to be in all of the eight domains. It

00:22can be in all of the eight domains and

00:24then it can be prioritized so that in

00:26year one you could say like a three-year

00:28plan or a fiveyear plan. In year one

00:31we're going to tackle this these two

00:33priorities year two and so on and so

00:35forth. And I think some I haven't looked

00:37at this that closely um in a while but

00:40that's uh some of the thinking that was

00:42around that. The initial projects that

00:45the original group took on was to put

00:48benches and um the cross insurance the

00:52the cross um building because inside of

00:56it there it was a long way to get around

00:58and up and down the stairs and to get up

01:00to the elevator and whatnot. So a

01:03meeting was held with Patty. So the the

01:06original leaders were the department of

01:08health. So Patty Hamilton who was the

01:10public of health nurse um and the

01:14director of the department of health and

01:16Diane Walsh who was at that time the

01:17executive director of Houston area

01:19agency on aging and so it was to um the

01:23livability plans were like to how do we

01:26increase um put in benches in places

01:28that they're needed. Another thing was

01:30the um replacement of the senior center

01:34which was a multi-year plan and

01:36ultimately ended up being in Brewer. Um

01:39the fit lot uh in the Broadway park was

01:43uh another it kind of came to us. It

01:45wasn't originally in the plan but came

01:47to the city because the city was so

01:49active in the outdoor space area and so

01:52then we helped this committee helped to

01:54install it along with the city. The city

01:57now maintains it. Um so it's you know

01:59some of the projects are we also did a

02:02volunteer fair with Eastern Main um

02:05North Beal College and a lot of the

02:08organizations like at the Y the library

02:11the United Way um were very involved we

02:15evaluated certain trails to oh driving

02:20that's right

02:20>> stuff like that but if people don't know

02:22the Fit lot when they're driving through

02:23Broadway where the park is that exit on

02:27if you're heading towards town. It's on

02:28the left side there. There's a like

02:30canopy with exercise equipment in it.

02:33So, that's what the

02:34>> pit

02:37is. That was a fun uh we were able to

02:39write a grant too with the city. The

02:41city actually has to sponsor the grant

02:44um through an ARP foundation grant to

02:48improve the lighting and the trail

02:49system on on the Keski Extreme Trail.

02:53>> Right.

02:53>> I think those are the major ones.

02:55There's a lot of little ones,

02:57>> too.

02:58Yeah.

02:59So I think that there's some value here

03:01to revisiting the plan and to really

03:04take stock of what has been accomplished

03:06either you know as a city initiative but

03:09also to what you know you were just

03:12mentioning Karen is what are some of the

03:15projects that have come to us that have

03:16been completed by others that fit in

03:19this plan and advance those goals and

03:22then to figure out do we have a specific

03:25domain that's a higher priority than

03:27others do we need to refresh frame some

03:29of these goals and try to keep the heat

03:32on um in in these uh these developments.

03:38So, um what I thought we would do just

03:40for some structure is that we're going

03:42to look back and kind of see what did we

03:45say that we were going to do. We'll look

03:47at the goals and then we'll kind of

03:49bring us up to speed on some of the

03:51things that the city is aware of. But

03:53then there if there are other things

03:54that maybe we aren't aware of that in

03:57your respective circles kind of speaks

03:59to that topic or that issue, we'd love

04:02to hear, you know, what's what's been

04:04done that that fits in there. And then

04:07we'll look at well what still what still

04:11is um what matters now, right? Um, and

04:16you know, perhaps we won't have time in

04:18this session, but eventually I'd like to

04:20see us look at, you know, is there a

04:23priority that rises to the top and then

04:26um just help us launch some

04:29conversations about like why what is the

04:31goal of livable communities and how we

04:34might be able to fully engage with it.

04:36Does that make sense?

04:38>> Okay. All right. So, um,

04:42>> clarify.

04:43>> Absolutely. Um, so I'm not as familiar

04:46with the actual or um uh organizations

04:50or committees of the liberal

04:51communities, but um is the target

04:53audience um um to make them age friendly

04:57and and targeted at seniors or is it all

05:00residents in in general or

05:02>> Yes. So that's a really great question.

05:05So we want to look at our community in

05:09terms of the entire life course. So your

05:12ability to move through and engage with

05:16your community, you know, from the

05:18moment you're born until the last day.

05:20And so thinking about the spaces, but

05:23also interactions.

05:25>> Yeah.

05:25>> Yeah.

05:26>> I think there is that misconception and

05:28that it is for older adults. But as they

05:31say, whatever

05:33>> whatever changes you make for older

05:35adults is usually good for everyone.

05:37>> Exactly.

05:38>> Yeah. No, we just uh when I hear age

05:41friendly can do to to you know seniors,

05:43but there's also for you know families

05:45with young children and strollers and

05:46you know trying to guess what guess what

05:49you know and now we've got the walk

05:51audit um that the committee did brought

05:53out right some preschoolers helped to do

05:55a walk audit because they have different

05:57needs crossing the street. So yes,

06:00that's great. And I think the ARP uh

06:02being funded partially or supported,

06:05it's not even funded really, it's just

06:07supported by ARP uh leads people to

06:10think that, but no, it's really the

06:12whole lifespan.

06:13>> Yeah,

06:14>> that's a good point. The fact that

06:16that's connected, it leads someone to

06:19believe. But I think it it's it's really

06:22helpful to think of, you know, age

06:24friendly as I call it kind of quip

06:27quickly. I say strollers to rollers, but

06:30there are lots of ways that myself

06:32throughout my entire life course have

06:34had to think about the ways that I move

06:35through um public spaces. But then also

06:39how do we think about the way that we

06:41move through cognitively and you know

06:45building community with you know with

06:47each other in a in a social way. So, um

06:51>> I I know living in Cedar Falls trailer

06:54park, uh during the summer, we have uh

06:58an influx of older people and the

07:01younger kids that want to move around uh

07:04because they have these battery operated

07:07uh things that they get on

07:09>> uh they're not always looking out for

07:12themselves.

07:13Uh and we have a

07:16some kind of an imbalance.

07:18uh the older folks don't want to

07:21tolerate the children.

07:23>> Uh and that's something we're trying to

07:26educate the older ones as far as getting

07:29along and letting them at least be

07:32careful.

07:33>> We don't have a

07:36go to

07:37>> so they play in the streets. Uh we do

07:40have a a 10 mph speed limit. Uh so it is

07:44manageable.

07:47Uh it is an adjustment when you have

07:49older folks living with younger folks.

07:52>> So, but uh we're finding the balance uh

07:55can be tolerated.

07:58>> Absolutely.

07:59>> Like my mom lives in the new Grand View

08:01environment and you guys are building

08:03behind them. That's what she's told me.

08:07You built it and was built for daycare.

08:09She's really concerned and so are other

08:12residents that live in those buildings.

08:14But the kids will be really loud and

08:17then when you guys build the new houses,

08:19they're going to have to deal with

08:20barking dogs. They're going to have to

08:23deal with all sorts of noise that they

08:26don't have to deal with now. But I

08:29explained to her that sometimes change

08:31comes and we have to adjust to the

08:34different atmospheres of life. And

08:39a lot of them in there are 55 years and

08:41over and they like their peace and

08:45quiet. So they they are worried about

08:48how to adjust to that.

08:53So

08:55this is what I've been told by her and

08:58they actually have a community room

09:00where they meet and they sit and talk

09:02about this stuff and what they worry

09:05about but they don't know where to go

09:07with it. They just know they are

09:10concerned

09:11and wonder if the city is taking

09:16them in consideration.

09:18And they said, you know, they might not

09:21have thought that of how you guys were

09:24going to feel about all of it, but maybe

09:29you talked to someone.

09:32Well, that actually makes a really great

09:34point because one of the things we

09:35struggle with the most is how to reach

09:36people living in apartments and renters

09:39in general because there's not an easy

09:41way to do that. Like when we send

09:42notices for that actually um it goes to

09:45property owners surrounding because

09:47that's easy and it's fine.

09:49>> Um but when we do outreach like how you

09:52know how do your parents get information

09:54to help reach the other? Um, I would

09:57say,

09:59you know, probably

10:03ring the doorbell and ask to put a

10:04notice on on they have a board in there

10:07you can put notice on.

10:09>> They have boards in there that you can

10:11put a notice on.

10:13>> And people actually read that board. The

10:17elderly in there read the board. Some

10:19were concerned because like my mom, she

10:22has chronic leukemia, myoid leukemia.

10:25She's concerned of all the noise and

10:29whether she will be able to sleep if she

10:32needs to or will the kids be running in

10:36the backyard or will somebody come over

10:39and do something. You know, they worry

10:43they're elders. They worry about

10:46things. I [clears throat] will say I

10:47don't know if it'll make in this

10:49specific situation make her feel better.

10:51The way the buildings are um arranged

10:54over there the play areas would be in

10:56the back of the building. The bu multif

10:58family buildings would be between her

11:00building and the play areas and then the

11:02single family homes are way over here.

11:04So I don't think that's

11:07>> they they worry about all that.

11:08>> It's the unknown.

11:10>> It's having the conversation. It's not

11:11even yet

11:13they have opinions in their community

11:16little community room to talk about

11:18these things, but they don't know where

11:20to go with it. They don't know where to

11:24bring their concerns because they're too

11:26some of them are too elderly to come to

11:29to the city council meetings.

11:31>> They just Well, people Yeah. I mean,

11:33that's hard. like people can always

11:35reach out to us anytime staff in

11:38community economic development but like

11:40I know that a lot of elderly don't have

11:42computers um so most of them know how to

11:45use them

11:45>> and they can they can call us though um

11:48but there is that disconnect of like how

11:50do we get our information to them

11:53>> so they know to contact us

11:54>> those areas propert

11:57they have a property management entity

11:59I'm sure that collects rent that would

12:02be able to distribute

12:04good conduits

12:06or even like a project manager.

12:10>> They have a board right inside, you

12:12know, that inside the building. Um

12:15because I saw my mom post something on

12:17it when when I was with her one day and

12:20she said I posted that somebody if

12:22somebody wanted something. So you I

12:24don't see why those couldn't be posted

12:27right on there so that they could be

12:30aware of the meetings. It could be

12:33>> it's a

12:34>> we can look into that more. I will say

12:35it could be a stack capacity issue. If

12:37we had to do that every development and

12:39go look for community boards like all

12:41around that would be difficult.

12:43>> I'm I'm wondering are there like other

12:45information outlets we can use that?

12:48Like do they watch TV news? Do they

12:51>> um My mother doesn't. She watches

12:55Facebook most times

12:58>> which is a bad place to go to get your

13:00information

13:01>> and bad. I think the city does a pretty

13:03good job of posting something

13:07>> truth but they should have a point

13:08person with Pinquist that you know that

13:10they could raise a concern with Pinquist

13:12could

13:13>> you guys could establish Pinquist will

13:15just say we're available if there are

13:17questions. Well, I will say used to be a

13:19member of this committee as well, so

13:20it's probably an easy reach out just

13:23like that.

13:23>> And that's a great point. And when the

13:26most impactful thing I heard you say,

13:27Ronnie, was, you know, they have the

13:29they have meetings in these little cells

13:31and they don't know where to go to bring

13:33those concerns. So I'm thinking

13:37about the opportunities that this group

13:39has to, you know, be either a conduit

13:43for that information, a place for those

13:46people to bring concerns and have rich

13:49discussions that don't require you to go

13:50to an evening meeting um or to join, you

13:54know, a committee for a length of time.

13:57um but then also how are we

14:00disseminating and coordinating

14:02information that we then take back to

14:04our circles. So this could be that place

14:07to do that. So, you know, that might

14:09that might be something that's a

14:11priority is thinking about how we can um

14:14better communicate with people, right?

14:17>> And I just want to add, I mean, those

14:18are legitimate concerns, but you could

14:20and this may not help them, but I know

14:23that there were people who were not too

14:25keen on having two apartment buildings

14:27built over there with the increased

14:29traffic. So, they're nice and

14:31comfortable in their place, but there

14:33were people who didn't want those

14:35buildings there because of the increased

14:38traffic or whatever else development

14:40brings. So, the point is we're a city.

14:44The reality is, yes, things are going to

14:46move along. You could either be part of

14:48it or you could just stand in the

14:50background and it's going to happen

14:51anyway. And I don't mean to say this in

14:54a harsh way, but that's just the the

14:56cold reality. So, people didn't want

14:58those buildings. So your mom and other

15:01residents would not have a place. So now

15:03we're talking about providing somewhat

15:05affordable or missing middle housing for

15:08people that need housing in a city.

15:10>> I think it's more the unknown to them.

15:14>> Yes.

15:15>> To what's [clears throat] really

15:16happening and educating them is key.

15:22>> Have their voice heard.

15:24>> The unknown isn't so scary to them. You

15:28got to get some of them people are

15:30anywhere from 70 to 90 something. You

15:34know the unknown can be very

15:37scary to someone that's elderly. They

15:41don't do you.

15:43>> Yeah.

15:43>> Is there a way of them electing an

15:46someone within that community like one

15:48of the residents who could be the

15:50representative?

15:51>> I don't know if I could ask that.

15:53>> That would be a great option and they

15:54could report back. it might give one of

15:57them something really constructive to

15:59do.

15:59>> Right. Right. Because there's a lot of

16:01good connections too that can happen

16:03with those types of um uh multi-age

16:06communities and there's a lot of um

16:09research around this when when

16:11communities of multi- aes are coexisting

16:14like you are. Um it's beneficial really

16:18beneficial to everyone. So I think that

16:20could be another way to help them see

16:23the positives. The connection I think is

16:25is right good point and I want to make

16:27sure Damian is able to say what he's

16:30been so patient.

16:31>> Yeah. So just to clarify, you think

16:32really just that line of communication

16:34once that gets established that will

16:36ease their concerns?

16:38>> I think so. Well, I think it's the

16:39unknown of not knowing what is going to

16:42happen and they're all going crazy in

16:43the building and they're all talking to

16:46each other and it's when you start the

16:48rumor mill

16:50>> it it makes everybody crazy.

16:55>> That haven't been any community

16:58>> going. Do you think if there had been a

17:00sign on the site that said go here for

17:04more information or call this number?

17:06>> My mother would have called you.

17:07>> Okay. my mother would have called me.

17:09Interesting.

17:09>> I think we have our representative.

17:11>> Could you please give me some more

17:13information?

17:14>> And that's a good point knowing that

17:15there's going to be a, you know, future

17:17development along that site. Um, and

17:19there is already concern. So, um, people

17:23are like, you know, the city hasn't

17:25thought about this or what are they

17:26going to do? Like, I'm sure the city's

17:27thought about it. It's a matter of

17:29communicating it out that yes, we know

17:30there's going to be increased traffic.

17:32These are the things we're doing about

17:33it. These are the things that

17:36>> but I think also when we think about the

17:38communication Melissa

17:41>> um I think of it as this is sort of a

17:43community activity and communication

17:46like from the city is just one facet of

17:50that but what we're seeing like in terms

17:52of symptomology is people are very

17:55isolated and not communicating with each

17:57other. So you have a building

17:59>> and everyone in those that building that

18:02has concerns, they don't move beyond

18:04those walls. So I think of them as like

18:06a cell of, you know, people that

18:09literally, like you said, Ronnie, don't

18:11have somewhere for that to go, but

18:13that's a community symptom, I think.

18:16>> Yep.

18:18>> I think if they had someone that they

18:20could talk to and ease their concerns,

18:24it would be very beneficial to them.

18:27they wouldn't be going all crazy because

18:30I listen to my mom a lot talk about it

18:33how scared they are um how they don't

18:36know what going to happen

18:40you know it's

18:42>> it's the [clears throat] unknown you're

18:43scared

18:45>> especially when you get older you have

18:46tolerance for change

18:50>> well a I just want to say um if they

18:53still have concerns they can call us and

18:55position happy to have our

18:59Um, but also I just had an idea. We were

19:01talking about doing this at some point,

19:02but it was going to be like us as the

19:04city doing it, but we just don't have

19:05the capacity to put a sign at potential

19:08developments. But what we can look into

19:09doing is ask or require developers to

19:12put this email and that would have

19:14certain information and give us and give

19:16people our contacts

19:18>> which is a relatively simple ask that

19:21developers do in other communities or

19:24with other funding sources that they

19:26have to recognize and things like that.

19:28>> Yeah.

19:29>> So, uh Rosalyn has a question. So,

19:35>> Rosalyn, you can go ahead.

19:42Okay. Hello. Now I lost my video.

19:46Okay. Not sure what happened. Um anyway,

19:49as an 88-year-old

19:52living in a community, Courtland Circle

19:54that is not age related, but many of the

19:58concerns that we have are similar to

20:01those of the people living in the

20:04apartments. Traffic on Broadway is

20:08awful.

20:10We were told we live too far from any

20:13development to make any commun you know

20:17complaints. So I I'm just concerned that

20:22we need to look at the whole city not

20:25just the one area. We're talking about

20:29transportation we're talking about

20:30noise. We're talking about parking.

20:33whatever it is that um to concentrate on

20:37one area. I understand their needs but I

20:40am 88. I use Zoom. I don't meetings all

20:42the time. So, some of us are trying to

20:46communicate um our needs as well as

20:49everybody else's. Does that make sense?

20:53>> It does. I'm just actually [laughter]

20:58>> Thank you.

21:02And my concerns are with Broadway and

21:05all of downtown because the

21:07inaccessibility.

21:09I am using a roller and walking

21:13downtown. I haven't heard you talk. I

21:16tried for 15 minutes to get on using

21:19this. I had to go back out and start

21:21over again to get on the Zoom today.

21:24>> And I did all the things I was supposed

21:26to do, but I couldn't get on.

21:29We didn't have our typical people

21:30running the meeting, so it was kind of a

21:33um touch and go a little bit, but I'm

21:34sorry for the delay.

21:36>> Yeah. So, are you going to talk about

21:38accessibility downtown or other parts of

21:43the city?

21:44>> Yes. So, that might be a great segue um

21:47because we want to talk about the goals

21:50under the plan in those eight domains.

21:52If you look on the second page of your

21:54packet, this is where this matrix we're

21:58going to look at um the specific goal

22:01that was established under that domain

22:05and talk about what's been done, what we

22:09still have left to do under the plan and

22:12whether or not we really need to think

22:14of and reframe whether those problems

22:18fully address that domain. So, um,

22:23so, right, so we'll go over, um, you

22:26know, outdoor spaces, transportation,

22:28um, accessibility, and those types of

22:30things. Roslin. Um,

22:32>> thank you.

22:33>> Yeah. Yeah. So, I was not also around

22:37for the citywide audit that we did in

22:4215 somewhere. 13.

22:45>> No.

22:48>> 13 was before the pandemic. Yeah.

22:52>> Okay.

22:56>> Right. Right. So, we had a focus on

23:00accessibility in the downtown. Um, we

23:04had 141 responses to that audit. And so

23:07we looked at identifying what those gaps

23:10were in in the the sidewalks and um any

23:14type of obstructions, the the curb and

23:18um crosswalk areas. Um, but we know that

23:23there's a lot more that we need to do

23:25and I know that sidewalks and

23:27walkability are closely related to

23:30transportation and getting around. Um,

23:34so does anyone kind of want to speak to

23:37maybe some initiatives um that the city

23:40has done or that you've observed in the

23:42city that have improved the walkability

23:47or you know transportation? I can point

23:50to the uh Finson road uh years ago.

23:54there was a very high hill in that road

23:58and the city put out a questionnaire

24:00what we can improve in the city and I

24:04wrote back that uh there's a lot of

24:06walkability as far as around the kod

24:09area and there was they were walking

24:12that road and it was a very narrow road

24:14at that time and after that survey come

24:17out uh I guess the engineers got

24:20together and they cut down that hill

24:23they widened the road. They don't have

24:25sidewalks, but they have a bypass that

24:28people walk in. Uh, so that they've made

24:31that picture very walkable. Now,

24:35>> I absolutely love the light up stop

24:37signs

24:38>> and the walk signs. I think there should

24:41be more of those around the city. I I

24:44think they're great. I think they make

24:48it more known to drivers that somebody's

24:51trying to cross the road or is crossing

24:53the road. I think that's great.

24:55>> And that road that uh they just

24:57developed uh by the dam uh I don't know

25:0213th Street or something

25:07>> and they made that walkable

25:09sidewalk crosswalks in it now.

25:12>> Right. So they've improved that area.

25:16And if I may and I'm trying to think of

25:19the you can help me anyone the little is

25:22it

25:27>> that robot is if you've seen it around

25:29is evaluated

25:32access correct me accessibility whether

25:34there are sidewalks what conditions

25:36they're in

25:37>> if they're needed

25:39>> I mean if you want to expand on it but

25:41that if you haven't seen it tra I mean

25:43it's been all over it's been downtown.

25:45It's been in my neighborhood and

25:47>> like Davis Road

25:50almost like

25:51>> Yeah, I saw it the other day. I thought

25:53it was

25:53>> Wall Street. I thought it was stuck one

25:57time. I saw it as far as like do we move

25:58it? But it

26:00>> does it own thing.

26:01>> So yeah, that's the first step.

26:03>> We have to as a city do an ADA

26:05transition plan. Um and that's the first

26:07step in evaluating our sidewalks and

26:09crosswalks and everything else. um after

26:12we come up with a plan for our sidewalks

26:13and everything, the next phase is we'll

26:15be looking at our buildings and and

26:17things like that. So, and Roz, I do know

26:20that um I I know what you're saying

26:22about the downtown area and I I know

26:25that Ann has talked about before the

26:27thresholds getting into businesses to

26:30make it easier for people with a role

26:32later. There's some

26:34>> Right. And we are going to do that

26:35project this year. Yep.

26:37>> I actually I was on um the Thrive Pops

26:40board a few years ago in Milanaka and

26:43also I was a communications director in

26:45Lincoln. So we actually did similar

26:47audits and like for both I I was

26:50involved with both of those towns, but

26:52Lincoln we ended up getting some sort of

26:55grant and they tore up our old sidewalks

26:58that people couldn't get around because

27:00of the ruts and like things like that.

27:02They tore them all up and they made it

27:05they kind people kind of complain a

27:06little bit because like plowing a they

27:09were worried about but they made it now

27:10they're nice. They have a little bit of

27:12a way that you can get up if you have

27:14like a motorized scooter or if you have

27:16a baby stroller and they also worked to

27:19kind of make it so you can get in and

27:22out of buildings too. So actually so

27:25when you were talking about this like oh

27:27actually I

27:29on obviously like a smaller scale but it

27:33is doable.

27:35>> There's a lot of out there too.

27:37>> Are there any crosswalks on Broadway?

27:42>> Yeah.

27:42>> I I never paid much attention because I

27:44live there but can you put some of those

27:47sign the light up signs on Broadway with

27:50that? And they have pedestrian

27:52crosswalks on Broadway too where you hit

27:54it and it starts to blame.

27:56>> But someone like me, I'm legally blind.

27:59Ask me to hit something. I can't see it.

28:02>> See, so accessibility there is not even

28:07there. But

28:07>> Broadway is a very high traffic area.

28:10>> Yeah. Everybody just going and leaving.

28:12Yeah.

28:13>> And they are extending the work being

28:15done to I 95, the overpass and the

28:17shifting of the entrance and exits.

28:20There is a small portion of that where

28:22the sidewalks are are going to be like

28:25from Little City which is where the I95

28:29north entrance is to basically almost

28:32where the Broadway shopping mall is.

28:36>> That sidewalk is is going to be redone.

28:39So I mean they can only do this Neil the

28:42reality is you need funding for these

28:44projects and aren't they adding also

28:46sidewalks at Main Avenue or

28:50main.

28:51>> So there was funding for that. So I mean

28:54little by little adding and Broadway

28:57after Grand View is going to get Are

28:59they widening that? I can't remember.

29:02Jeff just told me this morning that they

29:03have a plan for Grand View beyond not

29:08the first part of

29:09>> I think you might be thinking about

29:11maybe along Grand View they're adding

29:13sidewalk.

29:14>> No, he said it was Broadway from Grand

29:17View.

29:17>> Oh, okay.

29:18something about adding a lane. I don't

29:20but

29:21>> but they're also adding sidewalk

29:24to

29:25>> I think one of the things that the city

29:27could do since this is like an ongoing

29:29issue and it's also because by the time

29:31you get around and fix everything you're

29:32going to have to start all over again

29:33and start fixing something else that

29:36maybe the walk audits remain something

29:37that the liberal communities can

29:39schedule in their plan

29:42>> or for a review of the gaps you know

29:45like so the walk on you the whole city

29:47unless uh but maybe a section of the

29:50downtown.

29:50>> Now, are they allowing these electric

29:52bikes on the sidewalks?

29:54>> No, they're not supposed to be on the

29:55sidewalk. It's safer for everybody

29:57really for them to be in the road, but

29:58then you have some people that don't

29:59want them in the road. So, it's kind of

30:01a

30:01>> Yes.

30:03You sometimes see them on the side of

30:05the road

30:07>> like almost like in the bike lane or if

30:09there was

30:11>> Yeah.

30:11>> Yeah. The shoulder. So, bikes are

30:13legally allowed to be in the road. um if

30:16there is a shoulder um they should be

30:19using that but obviously if you have to

30:20make a left turn or go straight through

30:21a stoplight you could be in the middle

30:23of the road

30:25but it's definitely legal for them to

30:27use a road shoulder and that's often

30:29what we want wider shoulders is for

30:30bicycles you'll use those

30:34>> yeah but I'm curious what what do you

30:36need from a crosswalk as a blue line

30:39>> what do I need from a crosswalk

30:42um I would probably need.

30:47I like the lights that you guys have on

30:49the things that tells me that I'm

30:51walking across the right in the right

30:54area. Um, and the voice recordings on

30:58the crosswalks is what would

31:01>> there are more of those press if you

31:03don't have to press any buttons because

31:05for me to press a button I'm going to be

31:07going where's that button you know I

31:10can't see it you know so pressing

31:13buttons is

31:15not a thing I'm going to be able to do.

31:18So,

31:19>> but if you had telling if you had

31:20somebody telling you that you only had

31:2213 seconds to cross the road,

31:24>> I would stay put because I know that as

31:26a visually impaired person that would

31:29have to use a cane, I could not make it

31:31across the road in 13 seconds. I just

31:34could not do it.

31:35>> You're 30. Is 30 enough?

31:38>> I could probably make it in 30 seconds.

31:4130 to 45 seconds because you have to

31:43keep in mind some of us like I have no

31:47peripheral vision. Okay, I have tunnel

31:50vision. So, I can't see what's on the

31:53sides of me. So, I'm going to be more

31:55cautious and walk a little more slower

31:58because I'm struggling to see what's in

32:01front of me.

32:03Does that make sense? And I not only

32:05can't see anything on the side of me.

32:06So, I'm going to walk a little slower

32:09and I'm going to walk with the white

32:13crosswalk. I'm going to be looking

32:15probably down

32:17>> because I can see white.

32:20>> I can see white. So, I'm going to follow

32:21that crosswalk. If I'm if I'm looking

32:24down, I'm that's not something that cane

32:27can help you with, you know, if I'm

32:30looking down to follow that, it's going

32:32to take me maybe 30 to 45 seconds to get

32:35across the road because I have to

32:39most people who are visually impaired or

32:42legally blind look for key things that

32:44they can see, but most of the time it's

32:47bright white. They can't see anything

32:50black. I can't see nothing black. So if

32:52you you know something black, I'm just

32:54gonna be like, "Okay, whatever. I can't

32:56see it." So like I came down at the end

32:58of the fence and road one day with

33:00walking with my cane. I got down the

33:03fence and road, but I could not cross

33:06the fence and road to Ohio Street.

33:09I I started to cry. I called my mom. I

33:12said, "I'm in trouble. I I" She goes,

33:15"I'm on my way."

33:18I I couldn't do it. the lines weren't

33:20wide enough, I started to stress. If I

33:24crossed that, I was going to kill

33:25myself. So, because I couldn't keep up

33:28with what was coming this way and what

33:30was coming this way because my eyesight

33:32is not that great and I had to try and I

33:38just I couldn't do it. I fell miserably.

33:44I don't mean to um change the subject

33:46too much, but I noticed with your

33:49outdoor spaces and buildings, which I

33:51think that's what we're still talking

33:52about. Um for us at at JobCore, um there

33:56are times in the winter on that sidewalk

33:59that comes in front of us, it's over by

34:01um your soccer field facility that the

34:04city owns. There are times where um our

34:07students um aren't able to get to their

34:10um we call it leisure time employment

34:13after school after um bad snowstorms. So

34:17that's something to out that way. It's

34:19kind of outer Union Street, but there

34:22there'll be time to time where we have

34:25to tell our students that they'll have

34:27to call out of their part-time jobs

34:29because they can't access the part of

34:32Union Street where they work because the

34:34um sidewalks aren't always plowed. So,

34:36but you guys are the city's pretty good

34:39about it because usually um our center

34:41director just gives a call and I say,

34:43"Do you think you could come out and

34:45please plow the sidewalks?" But a lot of

34:47people use use that part.

34:49>> And you don't have a bus stop.

34:51>> We there is a bus stop, but it's not it

34:54for us it's there and it's wonderful,

34:56but it's at a time when our students are

34:59in class. So the schedule just doesn't

35:02exactly always hit the way that ideally

35:06would hit, which is unfortunate because

35:07we really are a big fan of the bus and

35:10warish and all that. But yeah, sometimes

35:13in the winter months that sidewalk not

35:16not being plowed is kind of a hindrance

35:18to the youth that

35:22>> Well, I think with our new public works

35:23director, he is looking at like how our

35:27like

35:29how we coordinate like the snow plowing

35:31and the schedule and everything. So if

35:33you tell him like that's an issue then

35:35maybe we can address something.

35:37>> Yeah. Rosyn has a question.

35:40>> I think I brought this up before. Um,

35:44but downtown

35:46there are handicap parking places.

35:49However, the place that my daughter

35:53drops me off is not necessarily

35:57anywhere close to where I could actually

36:01get to a corner. there might be a, you

36:05know, ramp almost to get up to where I

36:09need to go. So, she has to double park

36:12and hold up the traffic in order to let

36:15me out and then she has to go and park.

36:17And so, if the

36:20parking places were close to getting up

36:25onto the sidewalk, in some places, the

36:28sidewalks are several inches up. lifting

36:32the rollolator to get it up is not

36:35always easy. And of course, particularly

36:37in the winter, and I can relate to all

36:39of the issues of getting across in time.

36:42Usually, my daughter runs interference

36:44for me because I can't get across in the

36:48time frame that those are set up. But

36:50the parking thing could actually, I

36:52think, be fixed a little bit easier if

36:55one of the parking spaces that is

36:57designated to handicap parking were

37:00closer to where you actually get onto

37:03the sidewalk.

37:06>> Am I correct or not?

37:09>> So, seems like a no-brainer because we

37:11are looking at like redoing all of our

37:13parking downtown through the village

37:15partnership initiative. I don't know if

37:16you um had input on that plan, but

37:19that's definitely something we can look

37:21at because they changed like where the

37:23ADA spaces were going to go and

37:24everything. So, when we do redo the

37:26parking, definitely look at where those

37:27are relative to the ramps to get onto

37:30the sidewalk.

37:31>> Thank you.

37:32>> Hey, I just want to understand exactly

37:34which I think I do. It's better to have

37:37the parking space closer to the corner

37:40where you could get up that ramp as

37:42opposed to closer to the destination.

37:44>> Yeah,

37:44>> exactly. like if you go to the port to

37:48the uh Bangor Opera House, the uh Ponka

37:51Theater,

37:52>> it would be easier for that parking

37:54space to be closer to the corner and not

37:56in front of necessarily or closer to the

38:00>> because you still have to backtrack to

38:02that area to get or put a curve cut.

38:05>> No, I'm just saying it's better to be by

38:07the corner where they're

38:08>> We can just look at putting a ramp right

38:10next to where they would get out the

38:11car. I think us,

38:16>> right?

38:20>> Right. Essentially, you're you're saying

38:22it right. So, you could do two things.

38:24You could make the road come to you

38:25where you go to the road essentially.

38:27>> Yes.

38:28>> So, the should be right next to

38:31>> ideally.

38:32>> Yes.

38:33>> Yes. So, but that's why I wanted it be a

38:35cheap option.

38:37>> More ramps maybe along the sidewalk. So

38:41if somebody is parking in a parking spot

38:44and say that parking spot is full, maybe

38:47they have to park in a different one

38:49making maybe

38:52a ramp every

38:53>> taking away all the curb.

38:55>> Yeah.

38:55>> Well, no. So many feet like a ramp every

38:5950t, 100 feet, whatever.

39:02>> Yeah.

39:03>> That way if block

39:05>> Yeah. Yeah, something like that.

39:08>> Look at that where the ramps are.

39:14>> Yes, that's really that's a really good

39:17suggestion and well timed. Like Anya

39:20said, we're looking at, you know,

39:22reorganizing the way that parking spaces

39:24and people move through the downtown

39:26light fixtures, um, signals, like all of

39:29those things.

39:31by talking to the handicapped people,

39:33you learn uh where they should be and

39:36where they want them.

39:40>> You know, I had a follow-up question um

39:43because I'm really interested in the

39:45benefits of raised sidewalks,

39:48>> but for someone that has peripheral

39:50vision limitations,

39:52it would seem that a burm could be

39:56difficult or perhaps maybe anxiety.

39:59Sometimes I have to be told to step up

40:01because I can't see them because with my

40:04vision I can't tell the difference of

40:07the road

40:09and

40:09>> or the curb

40:10>> and the or the curb. So I've almost fall

40:13flat on my face and if I fall flat on my

40:15face I just laugh. Um, so making them

40:21not so much to step up on would be

40:24great, but it can't, you know, cuz I'll

40:28tell you, one night I was driving

40:30through Vanguard at night with my other

40:32half and he [clears throat] said, "Holy

40:34shit." He says, "There's a woman in the

40:36middle of the road. She's got a cane.

40:38She's blind. She can't figure out where

40:40she's going. She can't see nothing."

40:44He turns that car right around and he's

40:46like, "Oh my god, she's going to end up

40:48hit." Pulls over him and another guy

40:51hover out of the road. So that is a

40:54problem. [clears throat] That scared me.

40:57I would never ever

41:00>> because people who are legally blind are

41:03night blind.

41:05So they can't see anything.

41:08So

41:10that scared the daylights out of me. A

41:14cop pulled back, asked her if she was

41:16okay after they got her to the other end

41:19of the other side of the road, and she

41:22said, "Yeah." And she went off with her

41:24cane. But that incident was so it's

41:30ingrained in my head. I won't step

41:32outside at night. I'm scared to die that

41:34that would happen to me. and I would end

41:38up hit in the area. It was in the middle

41:40of harvest. I thought [clears throat]

41:42she was going to get hit. So,

41:48I don't know what to take from that, but

41:50there was

41:52not I guess I would say there's not

41:55enough

41:58things in place to for her to see what

42:03she needed to see. like maybe putting

42:06I don't know

42:08>> lighting near the curve pets. Yeah,

42:11>> we're just planning to put the curve

42:12pets

42:13>> in the sunset so early

42:16>> so that she could see like a lot of

42:19times lights are very important.

42:22>> Like

42:24bright lights are important to me

42:26because they are a

42:30night when I do go out I look for light

42:33because that is I can follow a light.

42:37But if I'm if I was on Highway Street,

42:40I'd end up in the middle of the road

42:42just done a flat crosswalks

42:45lit up very good or no, they don't

42:49consider that a

42:51>> good question. So I'll say curb cuts and

42:54crosswalks. I mean I think it depends

42:56like I walk at night like not

42:58necessarily late but after dark and um

43:02now with the trees I mean one of the

43:04things that's wonderful about the city

43:06is that we have these beautiful trees

43:09but sometimes that also is impacts the

43:12lake those are but in the middle of

43:15winter I mean you can see straight

43:17through blocks

43:18>> most crosswalks don't have trees

43:21>> right no tree in the middle of the

43:22crosswalk Right.

43:24>> Who rides the bus? Does anybody ride the

43:27bus here?

43:28>> I haven't.

43:31>> I haven't in a while, but I hear a lot

43:33of things.

43:34>> I mean, I have a couple times and it's

43:36been fine.

43:39>> Over on Grand View Avenue where they

43:41live in those apartments. They have to

43:42walk a distance. They have some blind

43:44people in their building. So, they take

43:47the bus. They actually have to walk all

43:49the way down to Campfort to get the bus.

43:51So,

43:53Um, that was a big concern over there

43:57because they have several blind people

43:59and the blind people are having a really

44:01difficult time getting all the way down

44:04to Canford.

44:05>> I thought there was a bus stop. Did you

44:07know the pink was pardon?

44:08>> Yeah, they're seeing a bus stop like

44:10right in front of

44:11>> they're saying no. Maybe there there's

44:13that second one, the mall hopper that

44:15goes to that complex. Maybe they're

44:17going somewhere else. There are two

44:20buses that stop at Anna. The one that

44:23goes from the mall to uh Newman Street

44:26Shopping Center airport mall from the

44:28Bangor Mall to the stops at

44:31>> I think that might be the one maybe that

44:35stops at, you know, close to that

44:37complex. But if someone else wants the

44:39other one, they have to get on the right

44:41bus to transfer. But I've heard it a lot

44:44around the city because I have friends

44:46that take the bus and they're like, "We

44:47have to walk all the way here and it we

44:50have to stand here." They're not close.

44:53They're not They have to walk away.

44:55Especially if they live like in Cedar

44:58Falls, they got to go walking away to

45:00get the bus.

45:02Uh, I'm not sure where the first bus

45:04stop is because I don't but I've heard

45:07Mary Gowen told me, "Oh my god, I have

45:09to walk all the way down down to your

45:11aisle to get the bus." And I'm like,

45:13"Oh, that's not good."

45:16>> Um, I mean, I will say number one, like

45:18if you have a disability, there's the

45:20ADA paratransit, which will pick you up

45:22wherever you need.

45:24>> So, you need to be you need to prove

45:27that you can't use the other stuff. And

45:29that threshold is so hard to meet.

45:32>> If you can step up into a bus, you don't

45:35meet the requirement for fair transit.

45:37>> And that should be

45:38>> it should be, but I think that that's

45:40like and and maybe it's an FTA thing.

45:43I'm not sure. But yeah, it's really

45:45it's, you know, it's like a month-long

45:47process, too. It's a little bit

45:49different for the fair transit, but

45:51maybe those types of things could be

45:53looked at, too.

45:54>> Yeah, maybe there's something to be done

45:55about that. And I know that um they're

45:59looking at doing smaller scale transit

46:01that might be easier to um get more

46:04places in one more frequently. But I

46:06will say like when they did the bus stop

46:08system, they tried to space them, you

46:11know, pretty frequently along the

46:12routes. I think and I don't know what

46:15the distances are that people have to

46:17walk but it's not really efficient from

46:19an operational standpoint to have

46:22stops everywhere like everybody because

46:25then it take forever to get places and

46:26people would complain it's not

46:28>> it's not there frequently you know

46:29>> I don't think there's one close to see

46:31the box I'm pretty sure of that but I've

46:35heard that a few times

46:37>> we might look at the map to see where

46:40the proximity of of the bus stops are to

46:45properties that we know are designed for

46:49folks that are older or have a mobility

46:52issue. Just as like a first layer to see

46:55like if you get that then what's the

46:59next layer to be, you know, accessible

47:01in places of

47:03>> the location of where you need it,

47:04>> right?

47:05>> That's the idea. Yeah.

47:07>> Well, also some of those locations might

47:10not even be for specifically people with

47:12the disabilities. It might just be

47:14>> like bulk housing are pretty priority

47:17for

47:18>> like job call,

47:20>> right?

47:20>> Well, it stops right out front and we

47:22keep people waiting for [clears throat]

47:24the bus there.

47:25>> But you don't have a loop anymore.

47:28>> You don't have a loop.

47:29>> Oh, where where the

47:30>> blue bus? You don't have that anymore.

47:33Jobcore used to have their own bus with

47:35their own loop. We had like a dummy bus,

47:38but yeah, that one's

47:39>> Yeah, it was big blue bus. We called it

47:41the loop. And it would go from JobCore

47:43and it had like four different stops,

47:46but you could go to the mall and go back

47:48down. And when you had leisure time,

47:49employment, that's what you could do

47:51versus the community.

47:53>> Yeah. Now we have we take different

47:56trips throughout the week. So

47:59heard tales of this bus.

48:02So, we actually we actually were able to

48:04get through some of the like

48:06accessibility and walkability um domains

48:10of the plan, but we've we've met our

48:13hour.

48:15>> So, um I'd really love to see everyone

48:19come back and I'm not sure whether we

48:21should wait a month to continue this

48:23conversation.

48:25What does everyone think about maybe

48:27having a meeting in the mid of the month

48:30to continue looking at the domains?

48:37>> I think that's a good idea.

48:38>> Yeah,

48:40the exact thing that they came up with

48:43this

48:44small subcommittee.

48:47I know the staff people always want

48:49staff to do everything, but that's not

48:50always possible based on everything else

48:52the staff is trying to do. Well, that's

48:55we give you the bus routes. We get them

48:57in here and we get you this room

49:00>> for a day or two, right? How many of you

49:02would want to come in and map out the

49:05bus routes and see, you know, are they a

49:07or listen to someone say, are they a

49:09quarter mile apart? A far somebody

49:11actually have to walk,

49:12>> right?

49:15>> Absolutely. Like we could drive this

49:17bus, right? There you go.

49:20>> Do we know what the city has planned in

49:23the near future as far as

49:26>> Yes. So, some of this information that

49:28we have here, um, does talk about, you

49:32know, what we've accomplished, but then

49:34as Anya, you might have heard her

49:36mention, we have the village partnership

49:38initiative, which is going to evaluate

49:40the downtown parking spaces, um, the

49:43sidewalks, the signals, those types of

49:45things. So, that's upcoming. Um we have

49:48the ADA transition plan which will

49:51capture all of these things and then

49:53create you know a structured sequential

49:58um set of an action plan for that. Um,

50:02and then we're also actually looking at

50:04universal design a lot more

50:06intentionally and potentially we would

50:09be offering developers discounts

50:12of a certain degree if they insert the

50:16four ARP core um, universal design

50:20elements and then extra if they do some

50:24of the nice to haves stuff. So that's

50:27kind of a way that we want to think

50:29about this is sort of an everyone

50:32uh kind of activity. So, and I think

50:36it's just so important that the city

50:39have a room and a place for people to go

50:42that isn't necessarily

50:45the non-engagement, you know, with the

50:47when you go to the city council meeting,

50:49you're speaking to them, but they're not

50:51speaking directly to you. This gives us

50:53a room and a place and you can feel like

50:57you're doing something with a lower

50:59commitment potentially. join the

51:01subcomm,

51:03>> right?

51:04>> No term. You can join something that you

51:07can join a sub community that you're

51:09passionate about and we can provide the

51:11engine for you know

51:14>> community

51:15just generally benefit your area and it

51:18might also have other benefits to other

51:20people in the community but at least it

51:22solves helps to solve the problem

51:24>> right like this is this is so valuable

51:26this hour gave us this gold like you

51:30don't you don't know like I'm so excited

51:32about just looking at some of these

51:34issues and seeing whether we're

51:36addressing these in the way that we

51:38should or thinking about things in the

51:40way that we should and we need to hear

51:43Ronnie's perspective about what's it

51:45like to have your peripheral vision and

51:47that you need the white you know

51:49sometimes we we don't know that in

51:52>> I think had she had lights on there had

51:55been crosswalk and the lights had been

51:57lit up on the sign that night she

52:01probably would have gone across that

52:03being able to make her way across cross

52:06by a lot of times you have to go. You

52:10see the first light and you just follow

52:12to the next light. Your eyes just follow

52:15it.

52:16>> And you know if you're going in that

52:18straight line, you're following that

52:20light, you're going to make it.

52:22>> But you know, being a a blind person or

52:24even a partially blind person, it's

52:26scary.

52:27>> Yeah.

52:28>> Especially when you don't know where

52:30you're going. When Al first started when

52:32we first started buying the car, Al

52:35didn't know what to do with me.

52:37>> And he learned over time after I kept

52:40sometimes I'd fall. Sometimes I'd almost

52:43fall in my face or he he learn

52:47this is what she need.

52:49>> You know, this is

52:52>> right

52:52>> how I go about it. But she had to get

52:54out at night. Um it's petrifying. She'll

52:58actually break down and cry

53:01>> because there's not enough light

53:03>> and as the days get shorter,

53:05>> right? That's the Yeah.

53:08>> I I think after seeing that woman cross

53:10the street in the middle of the night, I

53:11was

53:12>> Yeah.

53:13>> just terrified. I was more

53:17terrified thinking if that was me, I

53:20would have been squashed in the middle

53:21of the road.

53:23while

53:24>> and I felt so passionate and my heart

53:27went out for her.

53:31>> So

53:32I can send everyone an email. Let me

53:35know if maybe meeting again in two

53:38weeks. So that would be the 25th. We

53:40could talk about housing and then we

53:42could talk about some of the community

53:44engagement. You talked a little bit

53:46about communication, but you know, how

53:48do we engage with each other would be

53:49some good topics to talk about next time

53:51>> because you know in the trail we have a

53:54lot of senior citizen and they have a

53:56hard time getting out even getting

53:58groceries.

53:59>> Yeah.

53:59>> Uh so we you know a lot of us in the

54:03neighborhood we go and check in on

54:06>> and you know we go to the grocery store

54:08for them.

54:10>> So

54:10>> we've done a couple of projects out

54:12there. It's a really great community.

54:13Yeah,

54:14>> I think that would be a great next

54:20>> how do we help each other?

54:21>> Y

54:22>> um can I tell you that there is an

54:28organization called the Foundation for

54:31Social Connection.

54:33>> Oh, I like that already. Right there.

54:36They're having a good neighbor day

54:38celebration on September 28th from 4 to

54:437 at the heart of Maine United Way which

54:47is over on 100's not Hope Avenue um over

54:51there um in Evergreen Woods. I can

54:55forward this to if I forward this to

54:58you. Will you send it to the group? That

54:59would be great.

55:01>> Kelly, I would send it to you and then

55:03maybe if you copied the students and

55:05then I would know what your emails are.

55:08>> It is national labor day.

55:10>> I would think that

55:12>> I did not know there was a national

55:17>> I like that. Maybe we need a neighbor

55:19campaign like hello neighbor. I guess I

55:21need to do a proclamation

55:24some sort of

55:26would be not sure but would be

55:29>> I know all my proclamations and

55:32resolutions like there's several up

55:34there that I'm waiting for them to come

55:36up next

55:38>> workforce development month with the job

55:39board.

55:40>> It's actually good neighbor

55:43>> is what I've read and Missouri has a

55:46week of it.

55:47Whoa.

55:52Dominic

55:53looking at Good Neighbor Day.

55:56>> Actually, because I will forget it, but

55:58I'm going to go do a little deep dive on

56:00Good Neighbor Day.

56:04>> Thank you everyone.

56:08>> Thank you for inviting us similar to

56:11every day where they do like

56:15people don't sign up, they and get their

56:17air conditioners installed so they're

56:20taken out of the windows garage or their

56:23patio

56:25or their patio. My brother designed that

56:28for the town of Denmark, Maine, and it's

56:31like you can go on to this website and

56:33you can be like, "Can you just help me

56:35lift something off of a tall shelf

56:39like I've done

56:42sports teams?" So, but it's one of those

56:44things where you only have a couple

56:46hours and all come together.

56:49>> We have talked about this.

56:51>> We have

56:53like their week of service and we love

56:55to involve Let's talk about that could

56:58be its own

57:00service and engage thrilled to know

57:02about I don't know how I can be actively

57:05involved.

57:06>> Well, if you come on the 25th, let me

57:08know.

57:09>> Well, if I know specifically what the

57:11topic is, I'd love to be involved with

57:12housing.

57:14>> Um Okay. Um, uh, I'll do my best to to

57:17be here because I've already made some

57:19great notes about ways that we can

57:20overlap and neighborhood revitalization

57:22is definitely something that

57:24>> absolutely habitat as a whole support.

57:27So,

57:28>> thanks for glad.

57:31>> Hi, Kelly. Good to see you. 62

57:41anyone to argue but I was like all right

57:43well throw out of this room I booked the

57:46chambers just in case but I really

57:47wanted to start taking this or you just

57:51like filling in I'm not saying any

57:53reason because one guys

57:56>> bye Damian Anna is still going to be

57:58connected but Jamie and I are going to

58:00lead it while she so we have the new

58:03housing committee that's going to take

58:05uh some of her capacity and she never

58:08has any to begin with

58:10what what part of her capacity

58:13>> right exactly and and it you know really

58:17fit in line with my work plan and what

58:20Jamie wants to accomplish as well so we

58:23we felt very suited to the task

58:25>> that's right

58:27>> you're you go to all the lifelong meet

58:29right

58:30>> I do show Yes.

58:32>> Yeah.

58:34On their website.

58:36>> Yeah. I really do try to just Yeah.

58:38>> People without reinventing the wheel.

58:40>> Yes.

58:42>> Thank you so much.

58:43>> Is there any way of getting

58:46semi involved or at least I don't know

58:48when when they have their monthly

58:50meetings at Daos which I understand gets

58:52a huge crowd on that is what I hear.

58:57Do they mention anything about

58:59>> we should talk about that when we re

59:01when we bring up communication again. I

59:04think we also should think about

59:06engagement in this planning space or

59:11this collaborative space as a

59:13communication who's here who's at the

59:15table if if not AARP who from here goes

59:20to Dais

59:26>> I think so

59:28>> is this done with you

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