2026-09-02 - Water and Sewer Commission Meeting

0:07I uh Robert Coleman, chair of the Chton Republican Chton Chton Water and Sewer Commission, do call this meeting of

0:15September 2nd, 2026 to order at 6:31 p.m. uh with the presence of our full

0:25committee, all five of us and everyone else too. And uh first order of business as the commissioner's uh public forum.

0:36Uh anything not on the agenda that uh needs to be mentioned right now.

0:48Uh hearing none. Uh the next item on our agenda is uh the minutes for the previous meeting.

0:58Yes. So, I make a motion to accept the minutes dated August 5th, 2026 as written.

1:07I second.

1:09Is there any discussion hearing? None. I call time for a vote on the motion.

1:19Uh, Mr. Aseno. I. Mr. Graten. I. Mr. Gagner. Hi. Mr. Thomas Coleman.

1:28Hi, Mr. Robert Coleman. Hi. Great.

1:34And I make a motion to accept the warrants totaling 198,81246.

1:46I second. Is there a discussion?

1:56hearing none. Uh, it's time for a vote on the motion. Uh, Mr. Oeno, I.

2:04Mr. Grten, I.

2:06Mr. Gagner, hi. Mr. Thomas Coleman.

2:09Hi, Mr. Robert Coleman. Hi.

2:18And for the next order of business, a schedule appointment uh with Violia's monthly operating report.

2:27Good evening. Um you have the MO for um July. Just quickly go over a couple things. Um we did have some violations.

2:37Uh they are getting better. Um we're working on that. We actually had a process control person at the plant yesterday that met with my staff and

2:46Zach and we're going to be um making some changes over a small period of time. Hopefully get everything back in

2:53compliance. If you look under the operation and maintenance of activities, you'll see that we've been doing a lot of work. Um removing pumps, rebuilding pumps, getting pump stations working.

3:03So, we're making a lot of progress there. Um all the pump stations now have been cleaned. All the dials are calling out as they should. Um, the other thing

3:13is I provided a report to Vinnie on the work that we did on City Depot Road.

3:20Just that small amount of work identified 13 INI places where you have INI issues on your pipe. Um, one crack

3:27pipe. The manhole inspections um identified 37 manhole defects, some of

3:34those causing infiltration. So this this work that we've completed can um count

3:40towards the seam work that the D's um after the town about that'll have to be reported by uh March 31st of next year.

3:50My recommendation is they don't want you just to identify problems. They also want you to be actively seeking to fix

3:56them. I would uh take this report, give it to an engineer and um put it out to bid to be repaired uh for repairs and

4:06manhole fixes. Uh the whole purpose of this exercise was the culit that has a ductal line pipe. It was found to be

4:13severely clogged. Um we did come back and jet the line and got it back to 99% opening. So right now that's flowing

4:22freely. Uh our recommendation on that is that you line that section of pipe. I know the town is actively seeking a

4:29grant to redo the culvert and replace the sewer line. Um I don't know how far away that is. Um but I recommend um at

4:38least relligning that section of pipe so you don't have any problems until you do get the grant. Um I've also given the town a

4:48proposal to clean Route 20. brought that up at the last meeting that you know that was a big concern. Um so the town has the proposal. Just keep in mind that

4:57proposal is just uh cleaning, cameraing and identifying. We also as we're going along we're building your GIS system

5:05which is also a seom requirement. I highly recommend moving forward this work. Um your biggest unknown is

5:14disposal cost because you don't have an easy way of disposing of things. Um, I met with the SEMON person on site the

5:22other day. Um, we did come up with a way for disposal, but most likely we'll decant the water and your solids will have to go into a line dumpster and be

5:31hauled off to um, New Hampshire. There's a landfill that takes it, which can get kind of expensive.

5:39But on the other end, you don't want to overflow an SSO in the middle of Route 20 during the week during the winter, which causes an accident. um you know,

5:48you're already on DP's radar. You don't you don't need that. Um you don't need that happening. Uh

5:56but all I have for you this evening, I'll be happy to answer any questions the board has.

6:05Shane, is there a proposal for Violia to perform the work that you're recommending we do on Route 20?

6:10Yeah, I gave it to Vinnie last week. I asked um part of the thing of getting on DOT property is you got to get a permit.

6:17You're going to need a traffic plan. Um I spoke with Vinnie about it. To my knowledge, you can't get out on a DOT

6:24road route 20 after November 15th. So we kind of need to move fast. Um, in my experiment my exper in my experience

6:33with putting in permits for DOT, um, just speaking from in Starbridge, we can put them in and I have one in now and

6:40it's still at 25% review after a few weeks. So, the sooner we can submit to get the DOT permit, the sooner we can move forward with the work.

6:50Do you know the value of that proposal?

6:53I believe without disposal was around 38,000 because we have to go out at night. DOT is not going to let us on that section of road during the day.

7:02And that's without uh detail work, without details, without water, and without disposal. It's clearly spelled

7:10out in the proposal that I gave to Vinnie. Yep.

7:14Um sometimes the MO comes with the the data sheet showing the you know, water

7:22quality results for the month, but I didn't see that in I I didn't include it. I will make sure it's included in the uh next MO that I

7:29submit to you. And then and I know they're a little later than usual. I'm trying to get um all the information the town had received in the past and that

7:38takes documentation from my corporate office which which comes in a little later in the month. So every time I come on, we'll be talking about the month

7:46before, but I'll be more than happy to give you that data.

7:50Just was curious. And the phosphorus folks that were out yesterday, that was specifically on the co mag system.

7:58No, it was it was it wasn't for just one. It was basically the process for the whole plant. We started at the headworks, worked our way right till the

8:06end of the plant. Um, this is a process control guy that I've known for years. I consider him to be one of the best in the business. I mean, within a half

8:16hour, he gave us three or four recommendations. I think that if we imp implement them and we started doing it yesterday that um we're going to see the

8:24plant turn around. I'm hopeful um because we want to be in compliance just as just as bad as the town wants to be in compliance.

8:32This is a Violia employee or somebody from outside.

8:35It's somebody it's a former Violia employee who now runs his own business um that I'm still associated with. Yeah. Okay.

8:43This was this was calling this was kind of calling in a favor. Um somebody no cost no cost to the town, no cost to us,

8:52just somebody who um we have a strong relationship and was willing to kind of give us our their two cents. Um he was

9:00actually uh correct me if I'm wrong Shane, but he was actually the uh he actually worked in Sturbridge during the

9:08startup of that COMAG biomag process. So he's well verssed in the technology as well.

9:14Yeah. He was actually the operator that Cambridge Technologies who owns Biomag and COMAG. He was here for the startup

9:21in Sturbridge. So he's very familiar with the biomag and the comag system along with u the other processes we

9:29looked at. So again I'm hopeful with the changes we're institution we're going to put in that uh you know I want to be

9:36back in compliance also. I don't like writing an MO to the state every month or putting on the cover of my DMR that,

9:44you know, we're still violating, but just want the board know we're not just sitting back. We're making every effort we can using all our resources to get this place back in compliance.

9:53Yep.

10:02If I could, this is Chris. Um so Shane uh the route 20 obviously the route 20

10:08cleaning uh cameraing that would also go towards the u seam work correct. Um so

10:15seam work is due m uh March 31st to of the following year. So you would tell

10:22them what you completed as part of the seam program. You also have to give them updated maps which we can do through the

10:30work we're doing. And we then you outline what you're going to do the following year too. There's some other components of it that don't even have to

10:38do with collections uh work. It's uh generator logs, alarm logs, things of that nature. So like I said, this can

10:47definitely help towards compliance. Um and I and with DPCs, you're making an effort and working to that. um you know

10:54they'll be working they'll work with you to achieve total compliance in a short period of time.

11:01So so with the center depot road and if the uh commission approves Route 20 that I mean that would probably use up a

11:08majority of what they dedicate towards uh their INI uh program but that that would look that that would be a pretty

11:16uh substantial step towards you know making them happy there.

11:19Absolutely. Usually you submit a plan first, but um you know with child being the situation is I think it's a great thing that we've gone out and just

11:27started doing the work and again um you know we did meet with D and that SEO was definitely on their on their radar and

11:35um we're addressing that and and like I said I I think we can get back in compliance in a in a short period of time with that. But they to be honest

11:43with you, they're very picky about the seam work. Uh here in Sturbridge, we submitted, they kicked some stuff back saying they want, you know, this this and this and as long as you update it

11:52within a 180 time frame, 188 time frame, are you considered in compliance?

11:58Okay. And not to belabor, I just wanted to go back to city dupo. So um so that one uh recommendation on relining that

12:07section of ductal iron pipe and then there were some items that uh were identified um but as they are going to

12:14be repaving that section of road u this work wouldn't really affect the infrastructure that's above grade this

12:22work could be done um and not disturb that paving work that has been completed right it's not going to work

12:30exactly the um you know the most of the infiltration, you can even put it in the uh summary. You can just do a top hat

12:38liner on that circle crack. So, no, you wouldn't have to excavate um to do those repairs. And then the other repairs are

12:45all made in manholes. So, you can just enter the manhole and do what you need to do. Okay. All right. Thanks.

12:53You're welcome. [clears throat] Is there any further discussion of the monthly operating report?

13:11Hearing none, move on to new business and the appointment of the new water and

13:18sewer administrative coordinator is the next item on the agenda.

13:25I'd like to move to appoint Jennifer Corno Canoyer. What? I'm sorry. Canoyer.

13:32Canoyer as the water and sewer administrative coordinator.

13:41Do we have a second? Is that a second?

13:49You can second, Mr. Chairman. Uh second.

13:56Is there any discussion of the matter? Hearing none, it is time for a vote.

14:06Mr. Aseno, yes.

14:10Mr. Graten, hi.

14:13Mr. Gagner, hi. Mr. Thomas Coleman.

14:21Tom. Hi. No. What did you say? I can hear you.

14:29Hi. Okay. Mr. Robert Coleman. Hi. Okay.

14:39The next item, the sewer moratorum.

14:46So, I thought I thought we did this. I thought we but that would have been

14:53um with the person before me. I couldn't find any record of it.

15:00Yeah, I looked briefly this afternoon and I couldn't find one either. So I I suppose there's no harm in doing this again.

15:07Yeah. So actually um it would have expired

15:16in 26. Yeah. So yeah, we it needs to be done.

15:22So everyone on your memo there, there is a motion that just needs to be read.

15:29Do I need to read the whole thing or can I say you? No, you need to read the whole thing.

15:34Well, then I move to extend the moratorum to August 3rd, 2028, subject to the fact that it can be modified by the commission within these two years.

15:42The purpose of this motion is to orderly and fairly allocate the prescribed capacity in the following manner and amounts. The capacity is 100,000 gallons

15:50per day of residential like sewage, 50,000 gallons per day to be reserved for residential use. Those residents within the current sewer area and 50,000

15:58gallons per day to be reserved for commercial and industrial growth. To qualify for the commercial industrial availability of 50,000 gallons per day, no one applicant will be allowed to

16:07request more than 10,000 gallons per day of capacity without approval by the commission. Residential, commercial, and industrial applicants not within the

16:14service area can be reviewed by the commission. The commission has the right to review and modify this moratorum at any time. This motion shall remain in

16:22effect until August 3rd, 2028, or when capacity is reached, if sooner. I'll second that motion.

16:33Is there any further discussion of the motion?

16:39What prompted this? Sue Vinnie was looking at our website or actually I think you were doing some other research work, right Vinnie?

16:50It's on the letter we got from James Mclofflin at the D. He mentioned to

16:56update them on the sewer moratorum. I knew we had updated them on it, but after reviewing it, we realized it was

17:05coming up on expiration again and needed to be renewed again.

17:10So, that's where we landed on today's issue. Okay, roll call vote.

17:20Uh, Mr. Senzo, you're muted.

17:29I Sorry, that's okay. Mr. Grten, I Mr. Gagner, I.

17:35Mr. Thomas Coleman, I Mr. Robert Coleman. Hi.

17:45All right, Vinnie, you want to take this one? Yeah. So, it's 41 Lake View Drive.

17:50They're on our faulty meter list. The MXU needs to be replaced and reprogrammed, but they called and complained saying

17:59their flat rate is going to be excessive considering they're not even spending time in their home right now. This is a summer home for them. Um, I would agree

18:08they should get an abatement, but we also need to get out there and get a new MXU installed and programmed.

18:17So, that work hasn't been completed yet, but they should be entitled to the abatement of their bill.

18:26That sounds fair.

18:28Well, when they go on the abatement list, can we vote on it then?

18:33Um, you mean when we do the senior ones?

18:37Is that the only that's the only other time?

18:39That's the only mechanism for abatements.

18:41So that wouldn't happen again until October, November.

18:48I I thought in the past when we had the issues like this that were there were dollar amounts where we were changing their bill from X to Y.

18:56Yes. They got put on what's referred to as the flat rate billing system which is based per bedroom.

19:02Yep. and it could be significantly increased from what they're used to seeing if it's a three or fourbedroom home.

19:10So, if we make a motion to provide an abatement, Sue is able to decide what

19:18that dollar amount is without us having to come back to it.

19:22So, their past bills have been the base rate of $32. So I can just do the math

19:30to make the abatement the difference what he was charged versus the base rate.

19:38So what's your preference on the motion that we just authorized to approve the abatement um

19:44for his total bill to equal base rate of $32.

19:52Okay. I'll move that we abate the bill for 41 Lake View to a new total of 30

20:02two 30 Yep. $32. I second.

20:09Oh, okay.

20:13And now, uh, time for discussion of this issue. And I'm just wondering when the new meter

20:21will be installed and up and running, a rough estimate.

20:31Is this a seasonal home? Do you pull the meters out in the winter? We do not pull the meters, but it is a seasonal use.

20:37They only come out here during the summer.

20:47I would say that meter will be fixed before next meter reading. All right, that's good.

20:54That's definitely good.

21:02Is there any further discussion on the matter?

21:10Hearing none, it is time for a vote. Great. Mr.

21:19Aseno, I Mr. Graten. Hi, Mr. Gagner. Hi, Mr. Tom. Thomas Coleman. Hi. Mr. Robert Coleman.

21:30I the uh next uh item for discussion is

21:38the sewer customer guidance letter. Can I just want to start Shane did send me

21:45um Stur the letter that Sturbridge uses and then I found something that the town of Charlton had on file and came up with

21:53what is attached. Um, but I do want to make you aware on the memo that I sent,

22:00three out of the four heavy hitters are, you know, these giant corporate offices where the letters will be sent. And I just want to make sure that you're aware of that.

22:11So, it's not like it's going to the actual location in Charlton, the letter that is.

22:23So, that being said, what do you think of the letter? I like the letter. Great.

22:29I don't think anybody's going to read it that knows [laughter] that knows where Charlton is.

22:35I know. I thought it was going to a local offices here, but apparently it's going all the way up there.

22:41Yeah.

22:49Yep. Through the chair. I mean it if it um if if the commission would would like it. I mean I think myself or or Vinnie

22:57could be shopping uh stopping by these locations and looking for the facilities manager. That's typically what you know direction we would take and and hand

23:05deliver this thing to them and tell them that they're going to be on the hook, you know, for u or any additional cost associated with the the waist stream

23:13that we see coming from the that we can identify coming from their facility. Um, that's typically the most effective way to way to do would do that.

23:22Yeah, I think I I I I think I like that option. I like that.

23:25Send one to the corporate office and then say some to the local managers too. I could facilitate that.

23:32Is there any way to get saying they received the letter though?

23:36I mean, if we go by registered mail, we have proof they got it.

23:40Well, we registered mail, it's going to like Chicago or Washington.

23:46Um, can we can we get something drawn up to say that they have received this?

23:51And when Vinnie goes, Vinnie, I'll go with you. I'd love to go and and and go with you and drop it off. Yeah, we could arrange that.

24:02But, uh, do we have to have the town lawyer make a something that they signed agreeing that they received the letter so they can't stay? Oh, well, they didn't drop it off, you know.

24:17I don't know that it needs to be that excessive. In the past, um, Mr. Bore when he was in this office, he would go

24:24and meet with managers at places and make arrangements. Okay.

24:31I mean, if there's more than one of us there.

24:36Yeah. Okay, cool. I'll go with you. Definitely go drop it off all three places.

24:47Yeah, I' I'd be happy to go too if it's possible. That would be fine with me.

24:57All right.

24:59Okay. Wait. Motion to approve the letter. I move to drafted.

25:07I think second.

25:09Second. Is there any discussion of the matter? Any further discussion?

25:19Mr. Senzo.

25:21Hi, Mr. Grten.

25:23Hi, Mr. Gagner.

25:24Hi, Mr. Thomas Coleman.

25:27Hi, Mr. Robert Coleman.

25:29Hi, All right, Eric.

25:40The next new business is water and sewer retained earnings.

25:47Yep. This is directly from an an email from Ashley recommending that we move some money from retained earnings into our water and sewer stabilization funds.

26:00So, I'll make the motion and then um Robert, you can ask if there's any questions, but I move that the Water and Sewer Commission transfer a million

26:08dollars in sewer retained earnings into the sewer stabilization fund and transfer $400,000 from retained earnings into the water stabilization fund.

26:18I second. Is there any discussion on the matter?

26:31I have a question on the stabilization funds. Is that going towards the new um plants we are trying to build? Is that where it's going?

26:43It's not going anywhere right now. It just kind of pulls it out of one account into the other, but it's not appropriated towards a certain project as far as I understand it.

26:56Okay. So, it's not EM for anything.

26:59Yeah. It's just going to sit that the stabilization [clears throat] account is a interest earning account.

27:06So, when we move our money into stabilization, we can actually make a little bit of revenue by having it sit there. Okay.

27:15We able to do this ourself or do we need approval from the town of Charlton or the administrator or something like that? also.

27:23It's going on. It'll be on the warrant for October special town meeting. Okay.

27:38Is there any further discussion of the matter? Hearing none, it is time for a vote.

27:49Mr. Senzo.

27:51Hi, Mr. Bratton.

27:53Hi, Mr. Gagner.

27:55Hi, Mr. Thomas Pullman.

27:57I Mr. Robert Pullman. Hi.

28:04Uh, the next order of business is the engineering consultant for or compliance review. Uh, in the sense that we're going to need to hire one.

28:25So, this came out of that D meeting we had.

28:30Um, the town is kind of in a situation where there's a lot of unchecked boxes and it would be a pretty smart move to

28:38have somebody on the town side just reviewing everything to make sure nothing else is going to get missed.

28:45So, Eric had mentioned the town should look into hiring an owner's representative

28:53to review all of the deliverables, the policies, the plans, and the agendas for the water and sewer department just to

29:00make sure nothing's being missed seems how we're already on the D and the EPA's radar.

29:07Yeah. Um, does when I sent this email out to everybody, Andrew replied back and he said that we

29:16don't need to propose it for an RFP, that we can just look out on the mass

29:23bid list for a representative and see if they're interested in reviewing this for us.

29:31Yeah. Do the other commissioners know about our meeting with the D and how we get beat down? That is on the agenda for old business.

29:40I don't know if you want to talk about it now.

29:43I I think that's what we are talking about. Um yeah, it's just kind of a line item twice.

29:51Oh yeah. So um Robert and I went to the meeting. They

29:58pointed out that we've been violated our discharge permit for the last 11 quarters and had a number of

30:08of reports and deliverables that we have missed in the last few years. Um, and we're pretty

30:16adamant that we that we catch up on these things. I actually took that list, Vinnie, and

30:24sent it to Zach, and he sent me back just today a a list of things that they can fill or help um address.

30:36And then I I've sent it to uh Chris to see what items he thinks he can address.

30:42Um so Chris, are you still on? Yes, I am.

30:49Yep.

30:51Can you talk a little bit about what you think? Yeah, sure. Over there.

30:56Sure. And you know, just so the commission's up to speed, a lot of these items that uh the DP is looking for, and I have been in a lot of these types of

31:04negotiations where they come into a community and um go go through a laundry list. A lot of the items the uh [sighs]

31:12the uh town the water and sewer commission through its operator has initiated. They just haven't been updated or brought up to brought up to

31:20to standard. Um so none of them are really starting from from uh from from nothing. They just need to be need to be

31:29updated. So the seaom we've talked about that and um really just documenting getting everything that the town has done and there's probably items that

31:38will already be satisfied based upon the action the town has. So I am familiar with um these types of responses. I am

31:46familiar with the players at the D. Um both James and Dan. Uh I've worked with them in the past and also um looking at

31:54the the list and and what Violia can support. Um, and also in support of uh Vinnie, I think we could develop a

32:02response um and u provide the information that we do have available um

32:09right now as well as a time frame to meet the other deliverables that they're looking for as well. So, um I'd like to

32:17I'd like to propose that um you know the commission allows me to do that. Um I am familiar with the plan. I'm familiar with the operation. I'm familiar with

32:24all the players. Um, I'm familiar with the D and I also have the credentials to um to respond to these items. So, that's that's my pitch.

32:33Do you have enough information to put together a a level of effort in rates to so that we could have like a budget for for your part of that?

32:43Yes. Yep.

32:46And if I could, I'd like to um you know, as far as that goes, I want to that for the even for the route 20 that traffic management plan and support of SHAPS, I

32:55want to provide you guys with that as well. I'd like to get moving on that that item as well. Um because it's a little bit more than uh just the submittal. There's some supporting

33:03documentation as well. Um so [clears throat] I'll do that as well.

33:08What's what's the contractual arrangement between yourself and the commission now? Are you on like a

33:16retainer? Is there I don't know how we pay you.

33:19It it's been just an employ I mean u consulting at will based upon my service rate. So just I've been it's you know

33:27it's been been quite a while since I've been working for the commission. just typically um I build you know depending upon the the project specific or the

33:35scope um I'm just assigned to the task and I've been just um completing that and um billing and you getting approval

33:43through your warrant articles like a time and material basis. Yes, exactly. Yeah.

33:48Yeah. I I think I'd be comfortable with

33:53um this D catchup task if we had um rates and a level of effort and the same

34:02thing with the route 20 thing just so that we kind of knew what we were authorizing at least from my perspective.

34:09Sir I have a question with these uh compliance that the DPS

34:18have you know saying we violated so when we sign a contract with the let's say Viola and any other ones do is it part

34:25as part of the contracts is it included that they do these compliance um or they

34:33meet these compliance needs that we are supposed to

34:42Chris, you had your nose in the subcontract today. Can you?

34:45Yeah. Yeah. So, so there's a component there that there's a there's responsibility for the operations. um

34:54you know there are some exhibits the as long as the there are some conditions as long as the waste water coming into the

35:01plant uh you know meets um meets the exhibits that there as described and I

35:08think in some cases where you're seeing um exceedences and I think uh both um Zach and uh Shane can can u could talk

35:18about this is if it's over then they're not you know if it's over then it doesn't meet the you know the the operational facet of the plant, then

35:26they're not responsible for it. Um, as far as the SEMOM and the u the O andM, that's kind of like a joint um joint responsibility.

35:36Um, so so yeah, I guess each item is kind of sight specific, but the contract does kind of spell who's responsible for what.

35:48Okay.

35:49Yeah. And if I if I could add a little bit, you know, I think Chris did a great job at uh explaining that. But um you

35:58know we we are we are on the hook for compliance viol operations as long as

36:06the um as long as the what is entering the facility as far

36:14as loads and flows is within the designed capacity of the treatment plant. If the treatment plant is

36:21designed to treat a certain up to a certain level and we're seeing beyond

36:26that then then kind of all you know as far as maintaining compliance um you

36:35know that's a challenge that that unfortunately Violia doesn't really have control over. We do our best to try and

36:43um you know work with the tools that we have. Um but um you know compliance of

36:50of a facility that's over design flow is is a challenge. Um and the contract speaks to that. Um as as far as the seom

37:00and the other items that are um more related to the collection system um you

37:06know our existing contract um has has responsibility viola having responsibility of the pump stations but

37:15as far as the the collection system itself that is responsibility of the town. So the seom kind of covers a

37:23little bit of both and as Chris said you know it's a joint joint effort for that stuff.

37:31Thank you.

37:54Is there uh any further discussion of uh this particular matter?

38:03I don't Vinnie, are you satisfied that Chris could Yes. respondent in this matter?

38:11Definitely. Um he's more than capable. We've seen them do great work for us.

38:17So, yeah, I would support them taking this project on.

38:24We do need a timeline by next week to send to the D though.

38:36So, yeah, I can pull something together. I mean, Eric, we don't have to have results by next week. We just need a timeline to express to them.

38:52You think you can meet that kind of thing, Chris?

38:55Yeah. Yeah, I think we can pull something together and let them know that uh you know the the commission has contracted with Mccclure and uh we're in

39:03the process of going through the line items and and pulling up the um pulling up the documents and uh we'll be you know um getting them you know providing

39:12you know I I think you know we'll give them some realistic expectations to set forth and uh for them and for us so should be able to handle that.

39:23Yeah. And we should discuss the CWMP to see whether that's something you think you can bring up because I think that's over 20 years old.

39:35Yeah. Yeah.

39:36That was a big deal to that was a big deal.

39:39Yeah. Yeah. No doubt. And that's you depending upon where it stands and you know how much has changed in that time.

39:45I'll be able to um dig into that and let you know. Okay.

39:57Is there any further discussion of the matter?

40:03Hearing none, the next and final piece of new business I guess would be contract operations extension.

40:16Okay. If I if I could, I was at um I was asked to attend the um the review of the

40:24um requests for u technical proposals.

40:30Um I think there's some items that there were commissioners that were in attendance and uh Andrew um the the town

40:37administrator was there as well. So um given that review I think there was some

40:44additional items that needed to be looked at. One was um references of the two respondents.

40:53um potentially interviewing those two respondents depend um potentially um um having a discussion with uh I

41:02think was brought up at that meeting that um within your biolia contract there was a um there was a option for a

41:11five-year extension and whether the commission wanted to u meet or reach out to viol and you have some viol representatives here I guess you'd have

41:20a decision maker uh in the meeting tonight um of whether or not um that is something that they are interested in uh

41:28entertaining and if so um what does that look like? I think your contract with them does have some escalation actually

41:35has some rates that are built into that as part as part of a an extension. So uh those numbers could be looked at and um

41:44and I think at the very least the discussion of whether or not uh if if entertaining out another U contract

41:53operator, whether that could happen within the current um current time frame

42:01of the existing contract with Bolia and if not whether they would entertain even extending the existing contract a little

42:09bit longer. Um so that you the commission had time to um decide on the next phase of this uh on the next uh

42:19steps in the contract operation uh component.

42:26Uh Chris, are you are you talking about the the five-year I I know you're mentioning kind of the fiveyear the

42:33five-year option in the existing contract, but are you talking about beyond that? just a you know a shorter

42:40term extension uh to get beyond October until you know a decision is made. Is that what you were referring to as well?

42:50Well, I just wanted you know the the folks that were at the meeting for the review of the um technical proposals to

42:58um to to to decide on what what the next steps are and we are getting close to

43:04that. Um, and correct me if I'm wrong, Zach, the existing contract is is is

43:12current through the end of October. Is that is that correct? That is correct. Yep.

43:18And we're sitting at September 2nd. I just don't want the commission to be in a position where where they are um

43:27pressed for time or under the under the gun um while in while undertaking

43:35whatever decision that they make. So that's that's what I I just wanted to recap the results of that and and again

43:43I I'll leave it to commission. I didn't mean to interject that quickly, but I just want to make sure we're all on the same page based upon based upon that meeting that day.

43:55Yeah. I mean, we're we're certainly not, you know, looking to put the put the town in any sort of hardship by, you

44:02know, um you know, uh rushing into any sort of decisions. uh Violia did sign the contract that said that the town

44:11would have the sole discretion of an extension of uh five years if if they so choose. Um and Viol is fully committed

44:20to supporting that if that is the direction that the town would like to consider. Um, and I think,

44:27[clears throat] you know, some of the items that are spelled out in this existing RFP compared to the current

44:35contract, um, you know, if if the town did want to travel, you know, uh, pursue

44:42that route could be addressed through amendments if they chose to do something like that. So definitely open to uh

44:51communication and and um you know figuring out if that's if that's something that that the the town wants

44:59more information about. I'd be happy to happy to provide.

45:12So through the chair, I just wanted to leave that with with you folks just so that I could express uh what what I got out of that meeting on that day.

45:28I mean, makes sense.

45:38[clears throat]

45:46I I have no questions. This is Tom.

45:50All right. So, uh what is the uh next uh step here?

46:04So, if the commission wanted to review uh continue along the review of the

46:10current um respondence of the um technical proposals for compact contract

46:18operations, then um we could we could check um check um their references

46:25um if they wanted to potentially set up a meeting to interview representatives

46:33of those um of those uh companies that responded, then we could we could do

46:40that as well. And if um and also at the same time if um if the

46:48commission wanted the uh violia to review their current contract based upon the needs of the next and um ensure um

46:58and Zach just just so we're clear um the your lack of response to that I wouldn't say

47:07lack response and no response to the technical our the technical request for uh proposals. Um did that reflect a

47:16disinterest in the continuation of contract operations at the plant or was that um due to the fact you had a a

47:24withstanding contract that allowed for an extension?

47:29Um you know in in all honesty Chris um there was we knew that there was an option for a five-year extension in

47:37there. when we started to run our cost model, we saw that our fee was going to increase pretty substantially. Um, and

47:46we just ass, you know, knowing that there's intelligent people on this board, uh, you know, if they, if they

47:54had the option to stay with Violia at a lower rate or choose a new contract with Viol at a higher rate, uh, you know, we

48:01thought that the the board the commission might lean towards just exercising that five-year extension. Um

48:09[clears throat]

48:10and uh you know some other things involved at that point in time. We didn't have we didn't have somebody

48:17strong lined up to operate uh you know to name as the as the um the uh the

48:24project manager at that time. That has since changed. I mean, as you know, the the project's been getting significant

48:32amount of support from from Shane and the talent that he has in our Starbridge facility. Um, so, you know, if that's if

48:41that is something that the the town would like to pursue, VO is more than happy to have that conversation.

48:52Okay. So, so based upon again uh we probably have folks how you know at I mean and maybe uh you know Zach when I'm

48:59looking at your u exhibit B of the uh of your current contract where fee adjustments and schedule of rates for

49:07additional uh services um would we be able to look at this look at this uh exhibit B and make a determination as to

49:15where um your contract your contract uh pricing would be at that time. again just to allow the commission to make

49:23deci, you know, decisions going forward um based upon their um what they have received and um and responses and and

49:32also maintaining this potential uh arrangement.

49:37Yeah, certainly. Um you know, I could I could even run the numbers for you with with the the escalation of what what the

49:45fee would be if if there was no change to the scope of work. Um so that you guys can see that as a baseline. Um you

49:54know if if you do want to have us provide pricing for uh you know what an

50:02amendment would look like for um for kind of changing the scope to match or

50:10to better align with what the current RFP states. that would be a little bit more um involved timelinewise,

50:19especially if if um if we're looking at all the components because there is some pretty substantial differences between

50:27our current contract and the existing or the current RFP. Um so that' be a little

50:34bit more involved. But if if um if you wanted a general idea or if if you

50:40wanted certain components um to be um priced out, we could certainly do that as well. But like I said, I could I

50:49could quickly just give you what the what the escalation would be if our fee were to um change just out of normal escalation with no change of scope.

51:03So either either way I can get those numbers. Great.

51:09All right. And and just so the commission knows in review of the the contract and it's just, you know, reading it word for word what's in it

51:15and and regardless of the uh if there was an extension put into play here um and and an agreement with Violia, the

51:24agreement can be terminated by the owner or operated. It's in it's in section 5.3. uh can be terminated by the owner or operated for its convenience with at

51:32least 90 days prior written notice to the other party as well. So um there's a lot of different avenues that uh the

51:41commission can take I guess at this time through the chair. Um

51:48would it be prudent to request uh you know Violia I Zach provide us with what

51:55the um what that um the existing contract looks like going

52:02into the next five years using the exhibit B of the existing contract for the uh for this um for the uh escalation

52:11in costs. um and would they want them to also put together a number based upon

52:18what's in our current uh requests that would be from the viola component and two relative to other respondents. Do

52:26you want to um start the looking at references

52:32um in my to myself um or or work in a work group with the with the other with

52:38other commissioners um and also potential for interviewing these uh

52:45these uh the other two respondents um for you know as to continue the process um just to keep things moving.

52:55I think that's a good idea to get an updated uh version of what would the next uh few years would be like. I like that.

53:04It will be a good reference point and it's better to have more information than less. Okay.

53:13And what VA is providing will be in line with the current RFP, not the existing

53:19contract they had. Right? Because what's the point of having If we need new there are new stipulations in the contract

53:27they should be able to match that instead of providing us with a in line with their old contract.

53:36Yeah. Go ahead.

53:38No. Uh so the the if there was an extension our

53:46fee is kind of laid out and and structured. There's no real room room for interpretation for that. But it is

53:54kind of what it is. Um the scope of work there would reflect what's in the existing contract. Um however, if there

54:03were items that the town would like to add into there

54:11to make that more in line with the existing RFP, then that could be addressed through an amendment.

54:24So an it's basically an adjustment to the existing contract um that would make it more in line with the existing RFP.

54:37So through the chair I mean and Zach if you could provide both of those options.

54:41I know it's going to take some work from you, but I think you know what I'm hearing from the commission that would uh that would uh help them uh in this process as well.

54:52Okay.

54:58Is there any further discussion of the matter?

55:08Hearing none, uh we now move on to old business. Uh the first of which is the Griffin Road waterline extension approval.

55:26I thought we made a motion to authorize in No, you didn't.

55:30We didn't. It's been a in the memo. I kind of spelled everything out. Um,

55:37so no, there was no motion ever made regarding the waterline. It was all about the residents.

55:45It was uh designed by Mccclure. It's been approved by Southbridge. Isough. Is that true?

55:57That is all true. And the D as well.

56:02Yeah. Is it normal that the commission's approving tie-ins or water tie-ins?

56:10I don't think this is for the water tieins. It's actually for the ex the extension he's putting in

56:19because it's going to be owned by Charlton when all is said and done,

56:28right? and accepting it as our infrastructure would happen at the end, I think, after it's been installed and inspected. Is that correct?

56:37I believe so.

56:40Chris is not. I Yes. Yes. That's typically what happens.

56:45I just don't think there was a formal vote on it, Eric. Uh from what from what um I was discussing with Sue.

56:52Okay. Well, I'll move that we approve the water man extension on Griffin Road as designed.

57:01I'll second that. Okay, Mr. Aseno.

57:08Hi, Mr. Graten.

57:10Hi, Mr. Gagner.

57:12Hi, Mr. Coleman. Uh, Thomas Coleman. Hi. And Mr. Robert Coleman. Hi.

57:29For the next order of business, uh the office renovation proposal.

57:40Did we we never heard back from Andrew whether or not there was room either at the town hall or the highway department?

57:46Correct. Um they if this is approved there is temporary

57:54space um just outside of Andrew's office while the work is being done but there isn't any at the town hall.

58:07We will have our people at the point correct? Yes. Okay.

58:17I did we already approved the uh we already approved the money for it. So I guess we need a motion.

58:22No. Um the money was discussed. It was the proposal was not approved. It was kind

58:32of touched upon on where the money would come from. Um, so

58:39there was discussion with the finance director and she suggested that we could have a placeholder for the

58:48October special town meeting for capital article to be added um for the office renovations.

58:56Okay. Coming out of retained earnings. So we wait till next month. Nope.

59:02So you would need to vote a mot a motion would be made to approve the capital article to be added on the special town

59:11meeting in October for office renovations in the amount of fill in the blank coming from retained earnings. So therefore it goes on the town meeting

59:20warrant and it's voted on and that way the money comes out of our retained earnings and not the budget we have right now.

59:33And is the amount 15640 is the property that is um that's property solutions

59:40um estimate.

59:42Yes, their estimate. But then we have to have pods to house all the stuff while they tear, you

59:50know, tear up the floor and do the wall, all that stuff.

59:53I thought we were closer to 25,000 with everything. See, I Where did I I had it written down somewhere.

1:00:00Um, you got that high, Vinnie? I wasn't that high.

1:00:04Um, Property Solutions didn't have the full scope at the original estimate. They didn't?

1:00:10No, there was the drywall in the hallway that's fallen down. Yep.

1:00:15We wanted to add that and we talked to him and there was a difference. I think it was a little over $1,000 added in.

1:00:22Oh, he he never sent that to me.

1:00:24Yeah, I have I don't have it available right this second. Oh, so he sent you a revised contract.

1:00:31Uh, no, he didn't. I spoke with him.

1:00:35Okay. So, you So, Property Solutions. So, he's at

1:00:44say 16 [clears throat] 16 now with Vinnie's addition.

1:00:52The pod we're looking at about $500 in furniture.

1:00:57Um, it's $17,820 for property solutions.

1:01:0217,000. What? 800 and 20. 17820.

1:01:07So, say 18 pods 500 and then furniture.

1:01:15So, we're looking at like I don't know, Vinnie. I'm getting like 20.5 21.

1:01:24I was pretty close to 25 the last time I had it all on my desk.

1:01:31Can we find a fixed amount and then What was that?

1:01:35I was just saying can we find the right amount instead of you know speculating and so we can vote on it or no?

1:01:41Well, I think if we we're trying to get on to the warrant. I think if we 25 now then we can actually approve the

1:01:51Emanuel. We're not going to we're not going to lose the money. It's just we're taking that amount of money and putting it aside just for this

1:01:59renovation. And if it comes under, great. We can adjust on the fly.

1:02:03Yeah. We can't uh we're not going to lose the money.

1:02:06If they pull something down and find mold behind there, we want them to want to have enough money to clean it up. Yeah.

1:02:13All right.

1:02:15So, um, the bottom of the memo, if someone could read that, someone could make and read that motion.

1:02:26I'm looking for it.

1:02:29Move to approve a capital article be added on for the special town meeting in October for office renovations in the amount of $25,000 coming from retained earnings.

1:02:41I second. Is there any discussion of the matter?

1:02:48Hearing none, it's time for a vote.

1:02:50Mr. Seno, I.

1:02:52Mr. Grten, I.

1:02:54Mr. Gagner, I. Mr. Thomas Coleman. Hi. Mr. Robert Coleman. Hi.

1:03:11for the uh next order of business.

1:03:16All right, that was the office renovation proposal. So, rate increase proposal

1:03:35Do you want me to do this, Robert? Are we ready to do this? Yeah.

1:03:45Have has has the rest of the board been able to look at the spreadsheet that our rate consultant sent around on our financial situation?

1:03:55Yes.

1:03:59All right. I'm moving that the sewer rate fees be increased as follows.

1:04:04Residential unmetered quarterly per bedroom from 77.83 to $90.

1:04:11The residential metered capacity charge per quarter from 32 to 38.20.

1:04:17The residential metered volume charge from 0.0889 0889 to1067

1:04:26per cubic foot. Commercial capacity charge per quarter from 32 to 3840.

1:04:33Commercial volume charge per cubic foot from 0.0889 to1076

1:04:40per cubic foot. And strong waste fees be increased as follows. the TSS from $2.14

1:04:49a pound to to $257 a pound in excess of 250 milligrams per liter. The BOD

1:04:58increased from $3.65 per pound to $4.38 per pound in excess

1:05:04of 250 milligrams per liter. And ammonia from 1680 per pound to $206 per pound in excess of 40 milligrams per liter.

1:05:16And the rates are to cover the usage period starting in October 2026 and will be reflected in billing that begins in January 2027.

1:05:26That's the next. The rates essentially are 20% increase over our current rates.

1:05:34I second.

1:05:37Is there any further discussion on the matter?

1:05:41I think the discussion is whether we need or should have the um

1:05:49the public hearing and all that stuff that came that went with the last rate increase a few years

1:05:57ago. I don't think we're obligated to do it and I think we're authorized to

1:06:06change our our fees and billing to make sure we don't go in debt and start to have to get money back from the town.

1:06:15So, but I I think that is worth a discussion amongst the commission.

1:06:24So, what's the discussion?

1:06:26So, in the past, the last time they did it, and this is on page one of this thing I put out, um, when the commission

1:06:36raised the rates in March of 2022, the commissioner advertised a rate hearing for two weeks, held the hearing, read the notice, closed the hearing, then

1:06:44considered the motion. Um, I don't we're not obligated to do that.

1:06:51We can just change these rates and most water commissions in the state just change the rates and they do it

1:06:58annually, right? I think our rate um consultant is advising that we have to raise these rates annually to stay ahead of, you know, cost increases.

1:07:09Yep.

1:07:09So, I think having a a a rate hearing every year would be, you know, ownorous and and difficult. Um but

1:07:19yeah, I don't think we need to have a have that. We can just raise them. I think if I mean the option's going bankrupt. So

1:07:28y uh I don't think we I don't think we need that.

1:07:33I mean it was on the minutes that we would be discussing raising rates and uh I do agree that it's absolutely essential.

1:07:43I suppose we could just make it predictable that we will be discussing rates every year at the same monthly meeting. And so that could be helpful

1:07:52for future reference if anybody wants to uh attend to the meeting to share their view of the issue.

1:07:59I think that's a good idea.

1:08:04But uh I do think that the water and sewer commission has waited long enough for this particular increase to rates and uh another month is perhaps imprudent.

1:08:21Is there any further discussion of the matter? No. Hearing none, it's time for a vote.

1:08:31Mr. Seno, I.

1:08:33Mr. Graten, I.

1:08:34Mr. Gagnner, I.

1:08:36Mr. Thomas Coleman, I.

1:08:39Mr. Robert Coleman, I.

1:08:44Mr. Chairman, I move that the sewer privilege fee be increased to $12,000 per edu. Properties that were assessed and paid a betterment for the phase 2

1:08:52sewer improvements in 2003 would need to pay the difference between the new user fee and the betterment that was previously paid.

1:09:04I second.

1:09:09Is there any further discussion of the matter?

1:09:11Can you go over that one more time? you kind of like clear or not.

1:09:18In in 200 20203 there was something called the phase 2 ex expansion and they

1:09:25went they had added sewer around Glenno Lake. They added it into the center of town. And at the time, we took the total

1:09:34cost of that construction project, divided it by the total number of users that were affected.

1:09:41And they all paid a betterment of roughly $8,300 for that that infrastructure to go in front of their house. And when they needed to tie in,

1:09:50they had paid that betterment. So now they could they could just tie in um using the betterment that they paid as their tie-in.

1:09:59that's now 23 years old and we have a whole bunch of additional costs that we have to incur. Not the least of which is

1:10:07bringing our wastewater treatment plant up to date to to treat the sewage that we're receiving. So, I'm proposing that that tie-in fee be $12,000.

1:10:20If you're not on the system and you didn't previously pay a betterment, you've got to pay the whole 12,000. if you're one of those homes that

1:10:28previously paid the 8,300 and you haven't yet tied in in the last 23 years that you've got to pay the difference.

1:10:35You've got to pay uh is it $3,700 in addition to to tie in.

1:10:44And I think we should probably put the same um I think we should probably put a date on

1:10:51it on that and that probably would start October 1st. the same as the

1:10:58the rates. Does that make sense, Sue? Is that like It does.

1:11:03Yeah. I think everything should have the same date. So, do we need an amendment?

1:11:09Yeah, I'll amend my motion to Well, make that an October 1st. Um Well,

1:11:17so you're saying So, now I'm just thinking for the next billing round. So if the new rates start

1:11:26October 1st, it's actually going to be for usage the three months prior.

1:11:31No, I July, August, September.

1:11:33I thought it would be You told me that it would be reflected in the billing that begins in January. January. Yeah.

1:11:38Right. So you want the new PR for for uh residential regular billing. You want the new prices to start October 1st,

1:11:48which will so the new rates will go in October 1st with the billing starting yes in January.

1:11:58But now when we're talking about the privilege fees, somebody comes in on what date and the new rates kick in?

1:12:07October 1st. Okay.

1:12:13Okay. Uh Eric, one question. The 12,000 you're proposing, um did they how did you arrive at that? Was it from a consultant

1:12:21or and is that enough to cover any cost so that the town will not be any of it or the commission will not pay any of it?

1:12:32Right. Yeah. There is no cost. There's no direct cost or uh a house to connect to the system. All those costs are being

1:12:41paid by the homeowner. Um that that money that we collect goes towards capital improvements or infrastructure improvements.

1:12:54Okay.

1:13:01Is there any further discussion on the matter? Hearing none, it is time for a vote.

1:13:10Mr. Aseno.

1:13:11Hi, Mr. Graten.

1:13:13Hi, Mr. Gagner.

1:13:15Hi, Mr. Tom Coleman.

1:13:17Hi, Mr. Robert Coleman.

1:13:20I Erica, number three and four. Do you really think a motion needs to be made?

1:13:27I don't because I actually think we're going to ask Chris to do this as part of his uh as as part of his, you know,

1:13:34bringing us up to speed on things. But Okay. But I do think that is I'm sorry. Do you want to tell him what that is?

1:13:42Yeah, I I will call him and let him know. Okay, good.

1:13:45He's He's going to know these things anyway. Wait, he's right here.

1:13:56He's on the call. I I'll send him a a copy of this. Yes.

1:14:04Work. Okay. Okay.

1:14:10And the next order business, uh, McCclary Engineering water system status updates.

1:14:21I have nothing, um, new to report other than what's been discussed at this time.

1:14:24So, is there any further discussion of the matter?

1:14:33hearing none. Uh the next order of business is D factf finding meeting followup which we already did.

1:14:41Exactly. So I suppose uh is there any further discussion of that?

1:14:48Hearing none uh the fi final order of old business is Vincent Merson's monthly and project updates.

1:15:00sort of monthly updates have mostly been covered throughout the meeting, but just to touch base quick. Um Shane did send

1:15:08out that report on City Depot Road. That pipe had a ton of scale in it. They cleaned it all out. I agree with him. We

1:15:16should get pricing on having it relined and he recommended going from manhole to manhole. I also agree with that. So, I'm

1:15:24going to begin reaching out to contractors so we can get a price to have that work done.

1:15:29Uh the other item is the route 20 cleaning and Cameron of that line. That line has had several SSOs in the past

1:15:38few years. So it it really could use a cleaning. We did discuss disposal as he stated. Violia has a way of handling it.

1:15:48There is going to be a cost and that's just part of the business. So I agree we should move forward with that as well.

1:15:57Um, other items on my list, trolley crossing. There's a a new section of sewer that's been sitting there for 20

1:16:06years that was never connected. And the last time the owner came before the commission, the commission recommended

1:16:13he have it pressure tested and vacuum tested before they'd allowed a connection of it. And last week, they completed those requirements. They had

1:16:21K&D tapping and testing out there. They pressure tested the mains. They vacuum tested the manhole structures. The last manhole before it ties into our system.

1:16:32The masonry was not completed. So, they completed that masonry and finished all their testing. I signed off on it last week.

1:16:41Um, yeah, that's about it for my updates.

1:16:45Like I said, most of it was already covered throughout the meeting, so it was pretty quick. Anybody have any questions for me?

1:16:56Vinnie, can you send me a copy of the Violia proposal to do the route 20 work?

1:17:02I think I already sent it out, but I'll double check. Oh, and there was one more line item I just wanted to touch base on

1:17:08is um with the RFPs going out and the bid proposals being reviewed and stuff.

1:17:20I think somebody should be looking out for the town's interest with the bids and the final contract signing when that comes to place.

1:17:30Um, the bid proposal and the final contract sometimes might not represent each other as well as they should and I

1:17:39think an attorney should be reviewing those to make sure they're very similar and later on there won't be any

1:17:48discrepancies. So, I just kind of wanted to make you guys aware of that. Like,

1:17:54let's make sure that whoever wins their bid proposal matches what their final contract says they're going to do so there's no issues in the future.

1:18:06Vinnie, I'm glad you brought that up. I think it came up during our meeting that we have a like a town attorney who does

1:18:14like a general overview and the town manager proposed that we even get like a consultant or I mean another attorney

1:18:23who specialized in reviewing contracts like this. So I think that's something that we should get for this new um

1:18:32contract we're about to sign. Make sure that all the tees are crossed and the eyes are dotted and the town is protected, you know. So, not just use

1:18:41the local town attorney, but get an expert in review.

1:18:46Yeah, I have a reference for a attorney who specializes in wastewater case work.

1:18:53I could give that reference to the commission. Thank you.

1:19:06Is there any further discussion of the matter?

1:19:14Hearing none. Is there any other business unknown at time of posting to discuss? Oh, water and sewer superintendent.

1:19:24Oh, yeah. That's not on the uh agenda. Um, I emailed uh Robert, you and Eric.

1:19:34There was two applicants that came through. I don't know what you're looking for your next steps to be.

1:19:45I'm working out of town. Oh, okay.

1:19:51But I think both candidates should be interviewed. One one we met already, right? He was the fellow from I don't remember where he was from, but yes, we did meet with him.

1:20:02Yep.

1:20:03Um, and then the newer one, I think, is a good candidate. Strong candidate.

1:20:08So, yeah.

1:20:10So, do you want me to connect with Lynn and set something? Uh, how long are you out of town for, Eric?

1:20:18Like a month. Okay.

1:20:22Um, yeah, I think just pick pick two or three commissioners that are willing and set something up.

1:20:34Um, Sue, I just want to let you know I'll be out of country from the 11th to 27th.

1:20:40So, um, yeah, September.

1:20:44September. Yeah. Have a vacation coming up. Yeah. Good for you. I know.

1:20:50I think All right. Are there any other commissioners interested in participating in the interview process?

1:21:00I'll I'm interested. But who else? Anyone else?

1:21:07I am interested. Okay.

1:21:11All right. That's two. If there are no more interested then that gets around uh well not get around but does not trigger

1:21:19the open meeting law correct which is certainly convenient.

1:21:25No one else. All right. So we'll uh we'll sort out the time when all three are available plus uh 10 other 10 employees and all that.

1:21:37All right. I will send an email out to HR Lyn and HR.

1:21:46All right. Is there any further discussion of this matter?

1:21:53Other than you making um your regular appearance for signatures, Robert, that would be great. Everything is at um in Andrew's office. Chelsea has everything.

1:22:03It's labeled on who needs to sign what.

1:22:06So, I need three signatures on minutes and then I just need Roberts for the bills. Okay. Should be there tomorrow morning.

1:22:15Great.

1:22:17Is there any other business unknown at time of posting hearing? None. Uh the next meeting

1:22:26announcement shall it shall be on October 7th, 6:30 p.m. Uh like to make the motion to adjourn.

1:22:35[laughter]

1:22:37Second. Is there any discussion on the matter? No. Hearing none.

1:22:46And for a vote. Uh, Mr. Senzo. I. Mr. Grten. Hi. Mr. Gagner. Hi.

1:22:53Thomas Coleman. Hi. Mr. Robert Coleman. Hi. Awesome. You guys have a great night. Have a great Labor Day weekend.

1:23:02You, too.

1:23:02Everyone. Be safe. Be well. Take care everybody.

1:23:05Everyone have a great home day old home day if you're there.