2026-07-15 - Planning Board Meeting

0:07um being a little after 6:30

0:10um we're going to open the July 15th um

0:132026 um talking board meeting. Um the

0:18first thing on the agenda is the public

0:21hearing for the New England Power

0:23Company. Um, notice of public hearing.

0:26Children board in accordance with

0:28section 2003.26W

0:31and 207.2G of the child and resilient

0:34bylaw. The child board will hold a

0:36public hearing on Wednesday, July 15,

0:382026 at 6:30 in the planning board

0:41office. um in person at the George

0:44Kinsky Municipal Building, 57 Main

0:46Street, Chelton 1507 on the request of

0:50New [clears throat] Power Company 170

0:52dated by Wall Fans, Mass 02451 to

0:56install an electrical substation to

0:58provide power to the Amazon warehouse

1:00facility located at 53 Road. The

1:03property is located at 29 Snake Hill

1:05Road. Um assesses 44, block B, lot 9.

1:10The property is in the agricultural um

1:12R60

1:14um in zone the A R 60 district. Copy of

1:20the site plan application are available

1:21for inspection at the planning board

1:23office in the town clerk's office during

1:25the business hours. Any person

1:27interested or wish to be heard should

1:29appear at the time and place designated.

1:35Then I will open up the

1:37congratulations.

1:38Thank you madam chair. My name is Jody K

1:41from the law firm of Babin Dwey here

1:43tonight with several members of the

1:44project team project manager Ryan Fun

1:48Ryan from civil environment and Alison

1:52Miller nailed it. Um, so Indones

2:00um, so we're here tonight as you

2:02mentioned for a special permit for the

2:04construction and installation of an

2:06electric substation along Snake Hill

2:08Road and Carpenter Hill Road to be known

2:10in

2:12known and as the Snake Hill substation

2:15number 2235. Uh so in 2023, the

2:20applicant sought and obtained a special

2:22permit for a temporary substation um in

2:25support of the phase Amazon facility

2:27construction and is now seeking to build

2:29a more permanent uh substation. Once the

2:32new substation is fully built out, the

2:35infrared substation and feeder will be

2:37removed and retired. So the property uh

2:40if you flip through to the

2:43next slide um is currently comprised of

2:47the temporary modular integrated

2:49transportable substation and the related

2:51equipment and facilities um known as

2:53carpenter hill substation and a 1

2:56megawatt ground mounted solar array that

2:58is currently owned and operated by

2:59national project is necessary to support

3:03the electrical load needed for the new

3:05Amazon robotics location warehouse

3:08Surface Road and to maintain the overall

3:11reliability of electric service within

3:13the town. So, some specific project

3:16details. Uh the project work well

3:19actually if you uh go through some of

3:21the additional slides, there's some

3:23photos of the temporary substation and

3:26what it looks like currently

3:30as well as the intended design of the

3:32project.

3:34Um so what the project scope entails is

3:36a approximately a 49,300 foot substation

3:40yard uh which will include um related

3:44equipment facilities and a control house

3:46building that's about 840 square ft

3:49sorry 864 ft. Um that is just there to

3:53house some of the equipment protected

3:55from the weather. Um some chain link

3:57security fencing which is national grid

3:59standard. um 8 ft with one foot of

4:01barbed wire for security purposes. Um an

4:05approximately 750 foot extension of the

4:07existing gravel access driveway to

4:09access the new permanent uh substation.

4:13Um a retaining wall, bathroom structure

4:15for the employees that are there. Um

4:19various underground systems, storm water

4:21and drainage facilities. Um because this

4:24will continue to be an unmanned

4:25facility. Um we don't anticipate any

4:28impacts to noise traffic like as a

4:31result of the project. Um and then just

4:35for some background information uh we

4:37have been in constant communication with

4:39the town about this project with the

4:41buddies who are actually here tonight

4:43about this project and will continue to

4:45do so and are happy to answer any

4:49questions as stage but we are still

4:52working through some of the comments.

5:04Latest from July 15th

5:08here

5:22have more copies of these

5:36Yeah, I mean you want copies for

5:38everyone.

5:41Yeah, we'll make copies. Well, we want

5:43to see we used to have

5:47no

5:47packets.

5:50Okay.

5:56Well, she's getting

5:58it.

6:01Um, this is also to support country

6:04growth.

6:06What do you expect for future growth?

6:09More renewable energies or

6:13it continues to snow the snow street.

6:19There's two substations in the area.

6:22street substation and there's the hill

6:24substation

6:26and so future growth can you give us any

6:30idea

6:31I don't have the numbers off the top of

6:32my head we have plenty of applicants

6:34that are applying to

6:37build um they're in study right now but

6:40I don't have anything

6:44it would be building that would be

6:46connecting into the new substation yes I

6:48don't know exactly where they would be

6:55because we're [clears throat] being

6:56approved by renewable. So,

6:59um it's nice to know what's coming down.

7:03Now, originally when Amazon came to the

7:05town, we had asked if they were doing

7:07solar and they said not at this time and

7:10now because they weren't prepared for

7:12the energy needs,

7:15we're building more substitutions for

7:17them. So, it's unfortunate that Amazon

7:20didn't also

7:23become like states pushing. So

7:30pretty much anybody can tie in this

7:34um meaning that if there was another

7:36another fund

7:39facility this is another opportunity

7:41then additional fund.

7:51Where's the temporary substation

7:54on the map? It's south.

7:57It's right up north, right? Yeah, it's

8:00it's south of the solar array.

8:02Solar

8:06unit,

8:08the cleared area.

8:11Does that substation go all the way? Is

8:14it connected to the Carpenter Hill

8:17substation? Now that temporary port,

8:20so the temporary one is connected in

8:22through our W123

8:24uh transmission line.

8:25Yeah.

8:25The W123 runs from Still Street to Cover

8:28Hill substation.

8:29Yeah.

8:29We're going to be tapping E173 which

8:32runs parallel to the W123

8:35and also goes from street to Hill.

8:37So you're using W123 right now

8:41currently for the for the temporary.

8:43Yes.

8:43And you're disconnecting that? We will

8:45disconnect it in the future after this

8:47new permanent is online

8:49and use one.

8:51Correct.

8:54This is

8:5915 vol

9:03which is 173.

9:05Correct.

9:14What's the 132? What's the slash? Drop

9:18it down to 13.2.

9:19Yeah. And then it distributes,

9:22correct? Yeah, it steps down. Yeah. So,

9:24you take in on the high on the 115, then

9:26it steps it down to 13.2.

9:32You said this is going to be an unused

9:33station,

9:35correct? Correct.

9:36Will there be any security around this

9:39at all? Do we need security around this?

9:42The uh typically the so the 8 foot high

9:45up fence with the one foot of barge wire

9:48there's gates just a substation which

9:50will be blocked unless there's

9:52maintenance coming. Um, in my

9:54experience, there hasn't been any major

9:56further.

9:57I mean, you know, like because anybody

9:59could come up with a set of wall

10:00cutters, whether it's an 8 foot high or

10:02a 20 foot high or 3 foot high to get in.

10:06I'm not picking at it, but I'm just

10:08wondering,

10:09you know, this is coming in. Should

10:12there be also security, you know, should

10:14be a security company watching over

10:17something.

10:23No.

10:24Have you had problems with any of the

10:26other substations?

10:27No.

10:34So the the other substations that are in

10:37the areas and carbon hill are also unb

10:42Sure.

10:45I think if there was a need for it, we

10:47would certainly want to ensure our

10:49equipment.

10:51very dangerous.

10:57Excuse me. Did I interject?

11:01So, we look AC right under it on Snake

11:03Hill. We live right across the street

11:04and we always keep a close eye on the

11:07premises.

11:08So, we're just going to we just the

11:10typically what we do is we let the board

11:11ask questions and then we'll we'll open

11:13it up and all the public can make as

11:14many comments as as they want.

11:17Um,

11:22not that we don't want you to ask

11:23questions.

11:26Madam Chap, do you have a

11:28decommissioning plan for this site? It's

11:32not part of what we've submitted right

11:35now, but the decommissioning plan would

11:36be after the permanent substation is

11:39fully built and commissioned, we will

11:42then take an outage to be able to cut

11:44over the old into the new. Decommission

11:48the old. Right now, the old one has a

11:52block wall, retaining wall that's called

11:54holding up the substation

11:56fenced in. They're going to remove

11:58everything, leave the

12:00compound itself with the fence,

12:03but otherwise everything will be removed

12:05as soon as it's permanent.

12:07Why leave the compound with the fence?

12:09Sorry.

12:10Why leave the fence up?

12:12Um, not restore to potential potential

12:15storage for for other projects or for

12:17for maintenance uh pieces with this

12:20project.

12:21I I seem to recall that that the plan

12:23was to completely remove it according to

12:26the

12:28substitution and I thought it was going

12:29to go back to the settings what I

12:31remember but we can look that site make

12:34sure

12:35yeah I don't know if the plan was to

12:37complete or remove it

12:38I can look into it

12:41will you pull the um the temporary the

12:45paperwork from the temporary ones um not

12:47not right now but for the next meeting

12:48so we know what the what the

12:50commissioning details are and stuff.

12:52Thank you.

12:55Um so Are you continuing to lease or own

12:58the temporary substation property?

13:03New England Power owns the whole

13:05Yep. The whole the whole lot. So there's

13:06no lease.

13:07Yeah. So you're continuing to own it. So

13:11do something else there.

13:13Correct.

13:16Do you have a um decommissioning plan

13:20for the new substation? Can we get a

13:23decommissioning plan for the new

13:24substation?

13:26to to remove the substance.

13:27Yeah. What's the

13:29substance?

13:33Oh, I I have to get back to you on that.

13:35I don't think it's been considered that

13:37we would ever approve it.

13:38Yeah. Just

13:41Yeah. I mean, we we typically have um we

13:44do asset condition reports to determine

13:46the um the life expectancy of equipment

13:51after it's been commissioned. Um, and we

13:54typically don't decommission the whole

13:56substation. We um replace failing

14:00materials before they're going to fail

14:02and it turns into an emergency. Um, so I

14:06I don't think we have necessarily a

14:08decommissioning plan for the permanent,

14:10but we definitely have maintenance that

14:13happens and they try to determine, you

14:16know, does anything need to be fixed?

14:18Yeah.

14:22How about I mean do we should we

14:24entertain uh conditions on storage of

14:30old equipment or

14:33removal

14:34replace equipment instead of

14:38so it's not going to end up being a junk

14:40I don't think we've done that before and

14:42I don't see problems with any of the

14:45other you know that's that's usually

14:47recyclable material

14:52Um

14:55question.

14:58Um how much how much of is left to do

15:01for the grace report to satisfy that?

15:03How long do you think it's going to take

15:04it to get everything you need for

15:08oh the the peer review report for this

15:09project? Yeah. Um, I mean, I I don't

15:13want to speak for the the entire civil

15:16team, but I didn't I don't think we

15:18identified any glaring issues with it

15:20upon our review. It's just a matter of

15:21providing the civil plan updates. Um,

15:24like a a sheet showing the lighting, uh,

15:28the landscaping, which is mostly

15:30[snorts] just like receding of of the

15:32substation. Um, so items like that, the

15:35more cleanup items that we just have

15:37time to address for this meeting. But,

15:40um, I think we're we're hopeful that by

15:42the next meeting, we'll have a clean

15:43fill out.

15:44Okay. I'm looking at it now. So, most of

15:46it's been acknowledged by by Graves and

15:49just

15:52I have a question again. I'm sure the um

15:55looks like it's twice the size of the

15:57temporary. Is that correct?

16:00Just by the I'm looking at the your

16:05This this new substation here is going

16:07to be just under 50,000 square feet. I

16:09don't know what the split is of the

16:12temporary substation.

16:13It's it is fairly small.

16:16Um and you own the whole parcel.

16:20Um what keeps happening in town is um

16:24wildlife fragmentation as we're taking

16:26large tracks of land,

16:28removing all the trees and fencing it

16:30in. So everybody's complaining bears all

16:33over, but again, is there any way

16:38to maybe designate some open space that

16:40you're not going to expand upon to kind

16:44of help the town keep some kind of its

16:46charm of wildlife and healthy corridors?

16:52So I know generally speaking u we are

16:55the company is subject to um like safety

16:58codes regulations that kind of prevent

17:01us from committing certain things. You

17:03know we certainly wouldn't want to

17:04encourage people to walk through the

17:07property.

17:08Yeah.

17:10Um

17:11otherwise I'm I I have concerns that

17:14there's going to be build out from there

17:17all the way to room 20 because there are

17:18some large parcels and some the state

17:21owns the building rights on some. So

17:24my understanding is that there are some

17:26challenging wetland um on this property.

17:30We have a conservation hearing tonight

17:32actually um that we're going through

17:35that process. I don't know if it's

17:37usable. I know as a general practice we

17:40don't like to say that we'll never do

17:42it.

17:45We don't like having things forced to we

17:48would be right back here before you

17:50again if we were to expand. So you would

17:52have the opportunity at that point.

17:59Is this a retain in front uh between you

18:02and the solar field?

18:05Yep. That's a retain wall on the fence.

18:08And just that any other retaining wall

18:11around the property or just that one

18:12between you and the solar?

18:14Uh that's definitely the most

18:15significant one. Um there might be

18:18depending on where the design goes. A

18:21couple more this area here. Um but more

18:25of a head head wall.

18:26Yeah.

18:29Uh yeah.

18:32Um yeah. So we're working through um

18:34working through that design now. So

18:36don't have the final answer there but um

18:40it will definitely involve some sort of

18:41this is for the temporary

18:43but it should be less significant than

18:46well this is what the original

18:54Y this is for the temporary

18:57temporary substation this is a follow on

19:02what is on station currently temporary

19:05most recently received

19:08this month July

19:14you don't have a copy of the grace sheet

19:15the latest

19:16for the phase three I don't have a copy

19:19on

19:21this is just a completion

19:22is that the completion review of uh the

19:26final completion review number two

19:28for the temporary

19:30so that's going on at the same time

19:32we're um you know we're working on

19:34closing that one out. I think the only

19:36remaining uh item is the rain garden,

19:40but we're working as

19:47Sorry, I wish I had it with me, but we

19:50haven't really had the opportunity to

19:52have a full response to those.

19:54You just consume it.

19:55Yeah, I mean,

19:57well, we can get some input from

19:59So, let's take some um Are we all Do we

20:01have any more questions from the Let's

20:04take some audience questions, comments,

20:06concerns. Um,

20:09name.

20:11Yeah. And just when you speak, just

20:13please let us know your name and your

20:15address for the record.

20:17Rain and Kendra underw

20:21State Hill Road. Um, we've lived through

20:24the solar project and the temporary

20:27project in 2023.

20:30Not that we like change, but we've got

20:32to say that for has been a good

20:34neighbor. They've been very considerate

20:37of um things that are happening when the

20:41road's going to be closed and and we

20:43appreciate that.

20:46So, as as much as we hate to see the

20:48wildlife disturbed,

20:50we have to go with the change.

20:53I mean, honestly, I haven't we haven't

20:54seen the graves report, so I can't we

20:56can't talk about this screening or what

20:59what have you guys seen. Um I don't I

21:01don't have anything yet, but we we go in

21:03the future so we can see what what you

21:08appreciate that that um that you're kind

21:11of overseeing too. I mean

21:13it's hard to see the change but um

21:15they've been very very considerate.

21:21Any other questions?

21:24So

21:27I don't have a very so I don't know if

21:29what's open but when do you want to come

21:31back?

21:32Uh the next available meeting in August

21:35the 19th I think.

21:38So

21:39do you do you have um the amount of

21:42clearing that you're going to do? It's

21:43tough to tell from these

21:45the uh limit of disturbance.

21:46Yes. Yes. Is it

21:50more?

21:51It's a It's a bit small on the plan, but

21:53it's also on here. It's

21:54okay.

21:55A little over 150,000 square ft of

21:58disturbance.

22:00Okay.

22:00Yeah.

22:02Isn't all tree clearing?

22:08I was just kind of uh curious what the

22:11visuals would be like from from Cap Hill

22:13or or

22:16Yeah. I mean, I want to see what our

22:18like what any others are seeing and make

22:20sure that they're not looking at a big

22:22building or anything like that. So, we'd

22:23like to if so, we would want some

22:26screening and stuff, but it

22:27it does look like it's deep into the

22:28woods. Just

22:29it's very far back. It's I mean, we're

22:32extending it from where it is now,

22:34basically an extra 750 ft in. So, it's

22:37going to be pretty far away. The only

22:39building is going to be that control

22:40house, which is only

22:4124 ft in height. Just clearing for the

22:44the access not around the access,

22:46right?

22:48How high it goes.

22:50That's a good question.

22:52I believe the terminal structure might

22:55be 50 ft. Not sure. So, so we can get

23:01back to you.

23:02I know there's one expansion going on

23:03now where in some spots, some of the old

23:06wooden ones, they're going up 25 ft.

23:09So, just for the neighbors to know

23:13how far lighting or anything like that.

23:15I just haven't I typically we see a plan

23:19or something. We kind of did this a

23:22little bit off day. Um so we'll be more

23:25prepared for the next meeting. Um,

23:30we'll be able to go through Graves

23:31comments in

23:34one of the missing items from the GRE

23:36report was having like some form of

23:38lighting sheet that shows what it is,

23:39but it's going to be like typical cast

23:41lighting like for the substation itself

23:44like the substation here. It's not going

23:45to be like holes everywhere.

23:51So when

23:54August 12 make a motion to continue the

23:57applications for a New England Power

23:59Company site planill road to the 12th of

24:02August.

24:03Second

24:11we're going to do

24:19Oh, you're

24:21I just have my notes.

24:30Take care.

24:41Do I have a notice for the

24:47put

25:00in section 25.13

25:03and 27.2

25:06dialogue. public will hold a public

25:08hearing on Wednesday, July 15th, 2026 at

25:126:35

25:14p.m. in the cleaning boat office with

25:16George King Street building 37 Main

25:18Street and Mass on the application of

25:20Elliot Berling sign

25:2396 number six road 57 for approval of

25:28one proposed reduced frontage lot

25:30totaling five five acres to construct a

25:33single family home on said lot of AF

25:36Putinham um child mass assess map 70

25:39block 8 lot 8.5 8.6

25:42and 15 said property is zoned

25:45agricultural. Copies of agree permit

25:48application are available for inspection

25:50at the planning board and town clerk's

25:52office during regular business hours.

25:56How you doing?

25:58Jason Newboy, DC engineering and survey.

26:00Um I do have new plans. Basically, we

26:03talked to Dylan yesterday and um Kurt

26:07informed us that at the May change

26:09setback.

26:11Um just changed that on the plan. It

26:13showed a um 30 foot signed

26:28line.

26:30Yep. And then the 200 road.

26:33Um also this this did go to Graves

26:37and they had a couple of comments.

26:42One was to just show proposed house

26:44location. Uh the note about the lot

26:47can't be further subdivided.

26:49And then you just had a question about

26:50the the requirement note that we had on

26:53there.

26:57Okay. Thank you.

26:59But basically, um, they're cutting out

27:02the lot where the house is now, which I

27:04believe is 93

27:07and they're going to have 5 acres

27:08remaining with the 50 foot minimum

27:12frontage

27:14and the access strip is 163 ft, which I

27:17believe it can be up to 600.

27:24That's 75 ft here.

27:28Uh, yes.

27:30Actually, there's another little strip

27:32of 12, too.

27:35So, there's like Yeah, there's like

27:36almost 90.

27:42What's it WC?

27:44Uh, what's the

27:49That's not a property.

27:52It's just a

27:53Yeah.

28:00Is that

28:01utility?

28:07Yeah. Yeah, that is right in front of

28:08us.

28:12But that won't drive.

28:14Yeah.

28:22So, did you say that 93 was going away?

28:25Is that

28:26That's that's on the Yeah, that Yeah.

28:28So, we did an ANR on this like maybe a

28:31month and a half ago because in the back

28:33that lot 99.1 was added to this whole

28:36thing to make this so that it' be 5

28:37acres. Um, but now yeah, they're cutting

28:40out the house which I think the house is

28:41about ready to

28:42go to market at this point.

28:45Okay. Yeah. Well, I got

28:47this was added from the neighbor

28:50to this piece and they get to 5 acres.

28:54get over here.

28:55Yes.

28:56Yeah.

28:57Yeah. That farm is the minimum area,

28:59but it's not that

29:01it's on a contract as a purchase and

29:03sale. Okay.

29:04Yeah. All right.

29:05But they don't it's kind of contingent

29:07on this on this because they're not

29:08going to buy it if they

29:10So they haven't done an ANR to split

29:13this out yet.

29:14Um well, it would all be done like on

29:16this plan.

29:16Okay. So this is Okay.

29:19Which split that one out.

29:23There's two things that's happening.

29:24They're splitting this lot off of this

29:26and creating

29:27one as well.

29:32Yeah,

29:37that's another that's a separate parcel

29:39owned by the same person in front

29:42of that in that piece.

29:44It's just a landlock piece.

29:51Yeah.

30:05[clears throat]

30:10Any questions?

30:16Other questions?

30:22Make a motion to approve the uh reduced

30:25frontage lot for early game

30:32number

30:33one.

30:36Second.

30:45You want to sign the mail?

30:46Yeah, we can come back tomorrow.

30:50We can

30:52do it. I mean, unless you really want to

30:54come in here and visit the planet,

31:04we'll walk

31:06around.

31:20You want to get it?

31:30I didn't want to catch

31:35you already.

31:36Yes. Thank you. I think that went around

31:39first.

31:40Thanks.

31:53for you. Okay.

32:14Perfect.

32:28Thank you.

32:29Good night.

32:43We have session to local birth report.

32:46I will we are um

32:49we have a continued public hearing for

32:52um Hayden Enterprises

32:55uh LLC for the special commit for the

32:57proposed gas station um convenience

33:00store located on Wester Road.

33:07Yes, you meet with

33:29Okay. Uh, good evening, uh, madame

33:31chair, members of the board. For the

33:33record, my name is Al Cuba. I'm a

33:35consulting engineer with offices at 112

33:37State Road in Dartmouth, Massachusetts.

33:40This is our second time here. security

33:42call back in June on June uh 17th we

33:46came to this board. It was the first

33:48meeting and I as I indicated at that

33:50time it was kind of an introductory

33:52meeting to introduce the project and get

33:54some feedback from the neighbors and and

33:57the residents. Uh so just a quick recap

34:01uh I know you have a new uh planner and

34:05also you have a monthly hearing tonight.

34:08just take a couple minutes just to walk

34:10you through the projects uh and also

34:14bring you up to speed to what happened

34:15between the last meeting and and and and

34:19tonight. So, basically, we're here for

34:21the uh proposed gasoline filling station

34:24with a convenience store and drive-thru

34:26with five residential units on top. And

34:30the project is located at the

34:32intersection of Worcester Road and Old

34:34Worcester Road. I do have an aerial

34:36mapping here showing also the

34:39surrounding uh residents and I have some

34:41distances too because I was here last

34:43time and I know that some of the

34:45residents were here that were concerned

34:46about this project.

34:48Uh so the the the uh

34:50can I turn this towards the camera?

34:52Oh, absolutely. I'm not sure. I think

34:54that's what I did last time but

34:56just

35:00beautiful. You should see this

35:03watching TV.

35:05This is this is the site. So the site is

35:08is is located in the community business

35:11and it's about 4.7 acres. Uh most of the

35:152 and 1/2 acres in the front was uh

35:18graded and uh and uh uh uh associated

35:23with the gravel operation on sites which

35:26has been going on for decades. I believe

35:29uh access to the site is via existing

35:32gravel driveway from older road. Uh as I

35:37had indicated before about 2 and a half

35:40acres of the site um were disturbed. Uh

35:45the uh uh the proposal is for the

35:47gasoline station as I indicated last

35:50time too a gasoline filling station is

35:52allowed use as of right in the district.

35:55We're here for the drive-thru, special

35:57permit, and the mixeduse with the

35:59apartments on the second floor. Uh, let

36:02me just quickly go through some of the

36:04concerns that the residents had at the

36:07last time. I think they were concerns

36:09about lighting, concerns about

36:11screening, concerns about noise,

36:13concerns about environmental. Uh, so

36:17with this sketch, I could tell you that

36:19the closest resident to this is about 44

36:23450 ft. This guy is for 580 and they all

36:27numbered the addresses. This guy is 525.

36:31A big portion of the of of vegetated

36:34area separates the project from the

36:36residents, but I understand we're not

36:38here winter time and we lose this. So we

36:42we we propose to

36:45uh

36:50provide and I sent the memo to the to

36:52the board last to the planning board

36:55last time. I'm not sure if you got my

36:56memo, but basically what we've proposed

37:00to shield the residents from the

37:02activities on site. We propose a fence

37:05all along the the south and the east of

37:09the of the property. It's going to be 6

37:12foot high um wood fence, cedar white

37:16cedar fence. We do have a small retainer

37:20wall in the back in order to not to do

37:23any grading within the uh buffer of the

37:27wetland and also we have guardrail we

37:31have some planting arboritis in the back

37:34behind the fence. So, we understand in

37:36the winter time you lose the the the the

37:38the

37:40buffer with the leaves and so at least,

37:43you know, they're concerned about the

37:44lighting and people turning with the

37:46drive-thru and so that's not going to

37:49happen. Uh, also there were concerns

37:51about the lighting from the gas station.

37:53I would just indicate that at the last I

37:57think with this package and the last

37:58package we did submit the photoometric

38:01uh uh projection of the project there'll

38:04be no spillage of light on adjacent

38:07properties or streets. We comply with

38:09the zoning bylaws. Uh there was concerns

38:11about the traffic. Also, I do have the

38:14traffic engineer here tonight and I will

38:16leave it up to the traffic engineer, but

38:18the traffic engineer was working with

38:20your traffic engineer and I'm not sure

38:21if your traffic engineer is here

38:23tonight. I I'm hoping Okay, great. So

38:25they can I'm yeah I think I believe most

38:28of the concerns been addressed but they

38:30can they can uh uh

38:34uh confirm that uh the uh

38:38uh traffic lighting environmental uh

38:41there was also concerns about uh uh the

38:46uh environmental and I indicated last

38:49time that you know all the tanks would

38:50be double wall tanks [clears throat]

38:52with 24-hour monitoring and also on the

38:55on the storm water uh system. We do have

38:58installed in emergency valves in case

39:00there's a large spill on site that those

39:03valves can closed off and then will

39:06prevent any any

39:08oil from going either into the ground or

39:11the uh and just to let you know also the

39:14all the catch bases on site are are

39:17equipped with with oil water separators

39:19and they have a 4ft sump. are each

39:22something hold about 350 to 400 gallons

39:25of gasoline in case there's a any any

39:29spillage on site. Uh we do have also you

39:33probably have your report from the civil

39:36peer review. Uh at the first excuse me

39:39the first submission I think there was

39:41about maybe 46 comments.

39:44Not all the comments are addressed.

39:45[clears throat] there's still some com

39:46comments open but I would say 75 to 80%

39:49of the comments were addressed and we

39:51anticipate to resolve all the rest of

39:53the comments at the next submission.

39:55Uh also there was a concern about the

39:57water system and and because of the the

40:01residents were concerned about the

40:02pressure I did a uh schedule a pressure

40:07test and it's it's on the 21st at 9:00.

40:11So based on that

40:13from the hydrant

40:14from the hydrant. Yes. At the the

40:17hydrant at the end of uh

40:21old wuss.

40:23Yeah. Because this is where we're tying

40:24to the line. So depends on the on the

40:27pressure test results. If we don't have

40:30good pressure, the pumps are gone. We're

40:34not going to have that. So that's not

40:35going to be a concern. We we take safety

40:38very we don't take it lightly.

40:41We understand and uh

40:42what what pressure are you looking for?

40:44What's the requirement?

40:46I I think normally it's normally 40 40

40:49PSI is the minimum that most of the

40:51state and towns go by. But I I it's not

40:54my specialty. I hired the mechanical

40:56engineer. He's going to do this test and

40:58he's coordinating with the fire

41:00department. So depending on that, if we

41:02have a good pressure,

41:04we'll keep the promise. We don't have

41:06good pressure. I think we probably take

41:07those out. Right. Uh and again uh uh the

41:14uh

41:16uh we'll be complying with all uh there

41:20was few comments that were left open to

41:22the fire department and I think the

41:24traffic engineer will will speak to that

41:26and mass DOT because as you know route

41:2920 is under jurisdiction of mass DOT so

41:31if there's any changes on on the traffic

41:34uh patterns or any changes to the curb

41:37cuts We will have to come back to the

41:39support with the revised place.

41:41Do you have any feedback from Mass Dot

41:42yet?

41:43Uh not yet with Mass Dot, but uh you

41:45know ultimately Massdot will not act on

41:48the application until we have all the

41:51local approval. So we can probably uh

41:56uh condition

41:59um in the is there a slow down lane to

42:02turn into the curb cut or to turn into

42:05the facility or

42:06not at this time but this is going to be

42:08reviewed. I think this is will be part

42:09of mass DOT review. So

42:12I mean that is a lot of heavy traffic

42:14along there and

42:15to get traffic slow traffic out of the

42:17way to turn it would

42:19right and I think the traffic

42:21consultants probably best answer this

42:23question but I think it's that would be

42:25reviewed under the the curbcut the

42:27location of the driveways this you know

42:29confirming the site distance and the

42:31speed and the width and you know all

42:34that will probably be reviewed by Mass

42:36or whoever has juris jurisdiction over

42:39the

42:41Uh at this I mean at this time I would

42:43like to answer any questions but uh as I

42:46indicated the traffic engineers here too

42:49and he would be able to answer any

42:52questions.

42:53Can we [clears throat] um I don't think

42:55we've seen the report the traffic report

42:57or or is there something you can you can

42:59talk about?

42:59Sure. Um just by way of introduction I'm

43:02Bob Misho. I'm the managing principal of

43:05MDM Transportation Consultants. We've

43:07done a number of reviews through the

43:09years for Charlton and so we've uh

43:11conducted a thorough review of this

43:13project. Uh we've suggested additional

43:16information and analysis which has been

43:18provided to us. Um I don't need to go

43:21through point by point but I'll hit the

43:23highlights. Um

43:25we uh we've cited and Mr. Chu has

43:28correctly pointed out that the driveway

43:30designed and orientation will be subject

43:32to mass DOT review. Um it is Masio Key's

43:36preference to have um as few driveways

43:39as possible on State Highway. Uh and so

43:42at in part of our earlier commentary,

43:45[clears throat] we inquired about the

43:47status of this connection, this gravel

43:49path to Old Worester Road, which uh

43:52would allow, if it were formalized, um

43:55[clears throat] one means of getting to

43:56the signal to be able to make a left

43:58turn in particular. Um I suspect DOT

44:02will ask the same question. Uh but our

44:04understanding of the plan is that that

44:07uh will remain a gravel way uh for

44:09emergency egress or access purposes. Um

44:14we would defer to the fire department on

44:16their specific requirements for the

44:17gravel path if it's to be used for that

44:20purpose. We want to make sure that the

44:22structural loads, the H20 loading that

44:24is required is is met for that gravel

44:26way. And we would discourage the use of

44:29the gravel way by uh suggesting that it

44:31be gated on the old West Wister Road

44:33side so that it's not confusing for

44:35anybody. Uh you know, no one um suggests

44:39that might be used as a shortcut. Um so

44:42that that remains kind of an open issue,

44:43but um I think as the driveways have

44:47been most recently modified, um it does

44:50partially at least dress address some of

44:52our initial comments. Um we noted that

44:56in the initial [clears throat] design um

44:58the driveways were intended to be enter

45:00only on the west driveway and exit only

45:02on the on the east driveway. And because

45:05of the orientation of the signal, we

45:07were concerned that the easterly

45:09driveway uh would require that vehicles

45:12get to the so-called U-turn lane uh to

45:15cross over several lanes in a rather

45:17short distance, particularly because the

45:20queueing from that signal goes back to

45:21250 ft. Um, and so the design change

45:25that was made was to convert the

45:28westerly driveway to a right and right

45:29out. So it afforded the ability for

45:31somebody to make that turn further

45:34downstream and and and um we we

45:38acknowledge that that's a benefit. Um

45:40the commentary that DOT might have on

45:43that is that the width of the driveway

45:46because it's designed for those larger

45:48WB67 sweeps is very wide. Um, and it

45:53would encourage higher entering speeds.

45:56Um, and because you've got a mix of

45:59traffic, uh, people who may be living

46:01here getting to the driveway or leaving

46:04from a pump to get to the driveway,

46:06crossing over those [clears throat]

46:07higher speed volume vehicles.

46:09Um, there's u a potential that DOT would

46:13request that the width of the driveway

46:16be tightened a little bit and there are

46:18ways to do that. Um there's score

46:20concrete mountable features that could

46:22be introduced that still allow for the

46:24larger sweep but encourage passenger

46:27vehicles to to be more careful if they

46:29come in. Um so we're we're deferring u

46:33to mass DOT's ultimate determination

46:35here. Um, I think the the access as it's

46:38laid out is reasonable

46:41um subject to additional changes that

46:43DOT will most likely ask for. Um, as it

46:47relates to circulation, we just want to

46:49make sure that the fire department um is

46:51comfortable with um the vehicle type

46:54that was used, it's a 48 foot long uh

46:57tower vehicle. I believe it's

46:59reasonable. Um it does show that it has

47:01adequate ability to get into and out of.

47:04Um the one concern really relates to

47:07wintertime conditions is the snow

47:09storage. It's not typically something

47:11that we comment on uh because we're

47:13we're kind of confined to access and

47:15circulation. Uh but the storage areas

47:18are actually contained within the paved

47:20areas of the site and they're rather

47:23narrow frankly. Um, so we're just

47:25questioning the practicality of certain

47:28snow storage areas, um, in the volume,

47:32the actual volume of snow that they

47:33could contain, uh, and whether or not,

47:36uh, there there might be a practical

47:38outcome of those storage areas kind of

47:41being larger than they're shown on the

47:43plan, uh, which could impair

47:45circulation. So, we're suggesting that

47:47there be a snow management plan here so

47:49that snow be removed from the site to

47:51the extent it has any potential in

47:54circulation. Um, and you don't want to

47:56have snow melt happening during winter

47:58time when these large uh, you know,

48:00masses of snow just freeze thaw

48:03situations happen. It's it's not ideal.

48:06Um, we understand the applicant can uh

48:09confirm whether or not there's any

48:11ability to have those snow storage areas

48:13on landscaped areas off of the paved uh,

48:17area. There may be some environmental

48:18sensitivities to that. I don't know. uh

48:21that that's this may be part of the snow

48:23management uh plan that we're suggesting

48:25we produce um as it relates to um other

48:29aspects to the project. They've

48:31addressed our series of comments related

48:34to adjusting trip generation and and

48:36distribution assumptions. We're

48:38comfortable with the analysis. We

48:40believe that there's ample capacity uh

48:42to accommodate this particular use as um

48:45a substantial number of the vehicles

48:47that would be using it are in fact it's

48:49known as pass by especially for the uh

48:52coffee component. Uh we did suggest

48:55formally designating uh resident spaces

48:58so that they're not parked by commercial

49:00entity use. They've done that. Um and uh

49:06uh you know as far as the drive-thru is

49:08concerned, they have ample on-site

49:10storage capacity for that queuing area.

49:12We do not expect it to influence the

49:15[clears throat] parking field. They

49:16believe they can stack at least 10 and

49:18perhaps closer to 12 vehicles around the

49:21periphery of the building in the

49:22landscape area before those vehicles

49:24would would have any influence on the

49:26circulation site itself. Um so uh

49:29generally uh you know they've been

49:31responsive to the comments but for those

49:33series of remaining questions uh and uh

49:36certainly uh you know anticipate some

49:39change to the driveways basically in

49:41place

49:42is it so as far as a slow down lane pull

49:45into that something DOT would

49:48um you know it's they in in very unique

49:51circumstances would require a

49:53deceleration lane uh for commercial

49:55properties along Route 20. It's not

49:57common.

49:58Um, but they may require uh what's

50:00called a transition taper. Uh, which is,

50:03you know, angling the curb radius in

50:05such a way that it facilitates a higher

50:08speed movement that gently decelerates.

50:11Um, the issue there is going to be the

50:13width of the driveway. You don't want to

50:16have this, you know, a vehicle coming in

50:18at 50 miles an hour slowing down to 30

50:21in in this kind of an environment. So

50:24that is a likely uh likely change that

50:28would see.

50:29So that's that's one of my concerns in

50:31that area. You do get some high-speed

50:32vehicles that are exceeding the limit

50:35there coming into that light. Now we do

50:37have a light there to slow people down,

50:39but that's a little bit before and it's

50:41it's always been a problem,

50:42right?

50:43And I'd hate to see something happen

50:45there.

50:45Yeah, it's we have you know we've

50:47designed many sites like this throughout

50:49the Commonwealth. Webster most recently

50:51actually had a very similar

50:53circumstance. Um, and what happened

50:56there is we've extended the island

50:59feature more in inbound to the site. So,

51:01it provided better separation between

51:04inbound and outbound vehicles. So, those

51:06types of changes could be things that

51:08DOT suggests as part of that

51:10modification to address that issue.

51:17This miss shot. There's a that's a

51:19controlled signal intersection to the

51:22right.

51:22Yes.

51:23How many feet?

51:24600 something 700 ft down.

51:27Yeah. The driveway itself, the easterly

51:29driveway is 350 ft from where the signal

51:32is.

51:32Okay.

51:34Is there any possibility to make the the

51:39sole uh entrance and exit to the side

51:43street rather than 20

51:46to to exit cars onto the side street and

51:49then pull into the gas station?

51:51Uh well there's a couple of issues. I

51:53think I we we've responded to that

51:55comments. We looked at this. I mean it

51:57we like to have a side entrance. It

52:00helps us in the business too. But the

52:03problem is if you've been to the site, I

52:05mean we have an issue with the grades.

52:08We have a grades about 10% slope. So in

52:12order to make it work with heavy

52:14equipment, I mean heavy vehicles has to

52:17be large enough.

52:19So you're talking about impact to the

52:21wetlands and we have to deal with the

52:23storm water because we can't leave it

52:25gravel. Obviously it has to be paved.

52:27Sure.

52:28And then at the end what do we collect?

52:30We don't collect the water. We don't

52:32have enough root. We have to collect it.

52:34We have to treat it. You can't put a

52:36structure because basically you're right

52:38at the at the water elevation. So it's

52:42it's an issue for it's an impact on the

52:45wetlands. I have a meeting tonight with

52:47with the conservation and I was going to

52:49just test, you know, see what they're

52:54feeling about this too. But it has to be

52:57at least 24 ft wide or maybe 26 ft

53:00because of that kind of you know traffic

53:03and then uh it has to be paved and we

53:06have to deal with with uh you know I I

53:10think that was the recommendation that

53:12it was from Mr. Mishaw to do a a full

53:16exit full enter exit driveway here. That

53:19helped a lot with what we wanted to do.

53:21And again, you know, with

53:24we still have to go through a massive

53:26that side road is someone who uses

53:29anybody on this side of Hamilton uses

53:31that road all the time

53:33and it is um in the morning they if if

53:37that was an exit there'd be no way they

53:41they'd sit there because there'd be a

53:42line of cars trying to get all

53:46it wouldn't it wouldn't work. And then

53:49the just the visual part of when people

53:53turn from 20 onto that

53:55um onto older it you wouldn't you would

53:58you wouldn't get out. It wouldn't it

54:01wouldn't I can tell you from personal

54:03experience.

54:03No I mean with the revised place I I

54:06didn't mention this before but we do

54:08have the gates because that was actually

54:10one of the recommendation from the peer

54:12review. So nobody will would access from

54:15the public would be able to access the

54:17uh uh uh old wor.

54:20We certainly don't want people pulling

54:22up and going around in in the in the

54:24We do. We left it as an option for the

54:26fire department. If the fire department

54:28doesn't want doesn't need it, we'll be

54:30glad to just uh seat it and leave it

54:33there and you know put a gate at the

54:35bottom and nobody can access it through

54:37you. So really it's not uh for us it was

54:41more problematic with with with also

54:43with permitting because of the wetlands

54:46and because of the grades it would

54:48requires you know retaining walls and

54:52you know and impacted the wetlands and

54:56so what does the drive drive through

54:59support what type of business

55:00the drive-thru?

55:01Yes. uh would support I mean we don't

55:04have anybody yet in in mind but

55:06what's what's the intention in coffee?

55:09Yeah. Connect a coffee shop. Yeah.

55:11It's like what we do with every

55:13McDonald's or you know it's going to be

55:16fast food.

55:17Yeah. Yeah. I mean we have like 1100

55:19probably,000 square feet. This is

55:21typically what you see with every gas

55:23stations, you know, like a coffee shop

55:24and we don't have a tenant yet, but we

55:28usually do if we if we have the

55:30permitting rather than coming back to

55:31the plane board and we're here. So, you

55:34know, that's good. So, we can condition

55:37that to be

55:38absolutely

55:39in through the chair. How about

55:41operating hours? Is that something?

55:44I'm sure neighbors don't want to open

55:45it.

55:46No, this is not going to be a 24. I

55:48mean, I have my uh the hours will be

55:51probably 5:00 in the morning till maybe

55:5310:00 at night.

55:5511 or 11 or summer time, maybe 11 or

56:00Yeah. 11:00

56:01just in case

56:045 to 11.

56:06You also mentioned um some visual screen

56:09some on the [clears throat]

56:11south

56:12south side. It's not listed on any of

56:14the plants. You have a landscaping plan.

56:16Should I miss it?

56:19I see the

56:19Houston red. We have 25 of them on the

56:22first uh the uh

56:28it's on the on the land.

56:31Uh

56:32this is the landscape schedule, but

56:34there's nothing here.

56:35Uh I

56:37What's the date?

56:40I just know it was a concern of the

56:42above.

56:43Yeah. No, no, we we do have it. I don't

56:45know if you have the has updated plan.

56:49Uh my plan shows 30 25

56:52the eastern red seed.

56:55And what is the size at

56:58planting? Uh be 2 in I believe 6 to 8 ft

57:01high.

57:02Okay.

57:03Cuz as you know we takes a long time.

57:05I know. No, we know those are fast

57:07growing. You know we're we do this.

57:10Okay. Trust me. I know.

57:11And with the fence it's going to help.

57:13And the reason I didn't go with the I I

57:15I I wanted the wood because the wood

57:18drove this sound better. And as I

57:20mentioned, I think the closest resident

57:22to these to this speaker is about 450

57:26ft. So uh between the vegetation and the

57:29fence and you know I would we don't

57:31anticipate any he would probably you

57:34would hear the traffic from route 20

57:36before you can hear the the speaker from

57:38and also can be controlled too could be

57:41conditioned that you know you can't go

57:43over 65 dB or whatever the the zoning if

57:47you have a zoning bylaws for for sound

57:51we can comply if you don't have we

57:53comply with the state but we can

57:55definitely limit the hours on the the

57:57drive-thru

57:58condition and as I said as Mr. Misha,

58:02you know, all the recommendation with

58:04moving the uh this the snow storage

58:08areas or expanding that we don't have I

58:10mean that's not we don't have any issues

58:11meeting any of those

58:13conditions with the conservation that's

58:15the the snow areas in

58:18well they're outside the 100 foot

58:19buffer. So that's a you know you know

58:22but we can expand them outside the 100

58:24foot buffer and then we want to make

58:26sure the reason we like them in the

58:28pavement because they're being treated

58:29you know once you have them you know

58:31they're going through the storm water

58:33and you know they

58:36but again we can we can work with you or

58:39work with you know you know

58:43conservation

58:48never mind were there EV chargers. Uh

58:52uh we no that was a comment. We have uh

58:54we have couple of EV charger ready uh

58:57for we won't be installing probably the

58:59C you know but they'll be ready. We'll

59:01do all the yeah the installation around

59:04on the review. It doesn't say it says no

59:06charges.

59:07You may have the old uh you probably

59:09have the old uh because

59:12graves

59:13July 15th. Oh no. Uh

59:16code

59:24just

59:25we we do show a couple on the parking

59:27out though. I know we we did

59:31for the res.

59:33No no no.

59:40And there was a question there was a

59:42also a comment about the air machine. I

59:46think we added one too. So um

60:06yeah, I'm not I'm not sure. I don't I

60:08don't see I know we added couple

60:10station. But again, we have this is the

60:12second we have to address the comments.

60:15So,

60:16so that the two the stations to the

60:18right are diesel fuel. Is that

60:20Yes, those diesel, right?

60:23I'm trying to find it.

60:28Just get it today. It's

60:30Yeah, I did get them this noon time in

60:34the afternoon. So, I I just

60:37went through them fast and I we don't

60:39anticipate issues with I mean some of

60:42them are drafting errors or maybe typos

60:55I think we might want to consider maybe

60:57a decommissioning bond on this for the

61:00life of the project

61:03what we stand what we normally do

61:06[clears throat] um for

61:08I think It's up to the property owner to

61:10this isn't something that it's going to

61:12be a day.

61:15I don't think we've done that to any

61:16property

61:18that every

61:22business

61:33that was my mistake. You did add two.

61:36I thought we did, but I

61:39Graves said they didn't have them

61:44for air fill stations.

61:49Couple of things to

61:52that's just a a question.

61:56So I just wanted to make sure that it

61:58it's going to be added that it's on the

61:59plan. That's all.

62:04you're okay with the other comments our

62:06engineer has come up with to to satisfy

62:08these comments. I noticed some

62:10contingency on concom.

62:19Okay.

62:22And then board of health is separate. So

62:25the board of health

62:27we did the perk and they witnessed it in

62:29the past. So we don't see

62:31you know any issues. Good. Good luck to

62:34Tom and

62:37welcome back when any updates you have.

62:41Do we have any questions from

62:44the audience?

62:48questions

62:54road based on your experience and I know

62:58this is going to be DO's burden but

63:00coming over that hill would you foresee

63:03a benefit to advanced notification of

63:05the status of that light um that's often

63:09done in cases where you don't have

63:12visibility to the signal for for what

63:15it's essentially about 600 ft So, um,

63:18that's certainly something that could be

63:20raised with DOT as a question. Uh, it's

63:22the signal signal ahead indicator that

63:25you mentioned. [clears throat] It's

63:26typically an installation that goes over

63:28the highway on a mast arm and is

63:31activated so that you have advanced

63:33warning.

63:36And then if someone is lucky enough to

63:38get across those to get to the left hand

63:41turn lane, it's an existing lane long

63:43enough

63:45to to harbor enough vehicles

63:48the left turn lane.

63:49Yep. To reverse direction and also is

63:51the radius at the intersection that's

63:54presently there big enough.

63:55Yes. So, um there is what they call a

63:57bow out there currently uh to

63:59accommodate commercial vehicle U-turns.

64:02uh those exist at the industrial park

64:04road on one end and Carol Hill Road on

64:07the other. Um so th those are sufficient

64:09for that purpose. Um we expect that uh

64:12highspeed diesel refuel vehicles would

64:16exit this get to that U-turn position

64:19use that bulb to reverse direction and

64:21that's the intention of the design. Um

64:24the length of that lane is sufficient

64:26based on the capacity analysis. The

64:29concern that we raised was that um you

64:32know there's very little distance

64:33between where that driveway is and

64:35getting to that U-turn, right? There's

64:37only basically 100 ft or so uh to get

64:40over two moving lanes of traffic. Um so

64:44that will be something that DOT is going

64:47to be aware of and will likely comment

64:49on. Um, the applicant's, you know,

64:53current design at least partially

64:55addresses that by allowing an

64:57alternative way to get to that U-turn by

64:59that right in right out driveway. Um,

65:02that's great for uh uh standard vehicle

65:05types. The larger vehicle types are

65:08going to have to use that easterly

65:09driveway. There's no way for them to

65:12circle back and do that by maneuver.

65:16Um, but that that's something that DOT

65:19is going to be very focused on in their

65:21commentary.

65:23You got a 50 plus foot

65:27trailer going across that sucker with 60

65:30foot lanes total.

65:33Yeah, it's definitely a challenge, you

65:35know, and again, it's it's it's clearly

65:38in their in their wheelhouse to to come

65:41up with a solution for that. Um, you

65:43know, so I uh I don't know ultimately

65:46what they'll make the applicant do. I

65:48think that what's shown here is

65:50reasonable accommodation for for the

65:52intended Randy uses. Um DOT could

65:56request a further evaluation of the

65:58connection to Old Worcester Road. U they

66:01may very well say what why can't you

66:03define why you can't use that

66:05connection. Um because ultimately if

66:08that were designed as a connection

66:10notwithstanding the concerns that you

66:12have about the queueing from the signal,

66:14it does afford a better and and perhaps

66:17safer way to get back to the west

66:19through the signal.

66:20And if that were to happen, would you

66:24think that a one in and two out out on

66:27the road, they'd have to widen that

66:28sucker so there's a left and a right

66:29hand turn lane and a straight lane at at

66:31the intersection?

66:32Um it cut down on the amount of traffic.

66:34Yeah. So, um the the capacity analysis

66:38shows yes, there's queuing that happens

66:40on Old Wester Road, uh but the the

66:43amount of delay is actually within

66:45acceptable bounds, right? And um their

66:48trip generation estimates um assuming

66:52you have almost exclusively

66:55uh tractor trailers that would use that

66:57connection most likely. Um the amount of

67:01additional traffic there I don't think

67:02would necessarily trigger the need for a

67:04wide additional

67:06and how far off of that intersection is

67:08nasty per go 100t from the whatever they

67:13they they've got a long reach believe it

67:16or not um anything that would have

67:18potential influence or impact to state

67:20highway even if it's a side street

67:23driveway um is within their purview. So

67:26more than likely if that was the case

67:28and suggested by them, they'd have

67:29perview over that any changes made

67:32beyond that driveway coming up.

67:34Yeah. Because that would affect state

67:36highway, right? So any potential

67:38widening to your point

67:39would require that they sight off on it.

67:47If I may just add that there's wetlands

67:50on both sides of the gravel. So, if it

67:52was on one side, we would probably look

67:55into maybe shifting the road away or

67:58something. But really, we don't have

68:00much room. But again, I'll have a better

68:04idea tonight after I leave this room

68:06when I go through conservation, too.

68:08[clears throat]

68:09Um, I might add, you know, during the

68:11consultation process that the applicant

68:13will have with DOT, um, one of the

68:16potential outcomes might be, well,

68:17rather than having that serve as a

68:19two-way driveway, it could serve as an

68:21exit driveway for [clears throat]

68:23purposes of getting people to the

68:24signal. So, it wouldn't necessarily have

68:27to be a 24 foot wide uh, pave way. There

68:31are options for one-way conditions that

68:34um, most likely DT would ask them to

68:37consider. uh and they would need to

68:39demonstrate the environmental

68:40constraints or other constraints that

68:42might exist that might not make make it

68:45feasible but that that's part of that

68:47process that they

68:52miss. Does it help to maybe move the

68:54entrance even further west and and use

68:58the property as a bit of a slowdown lane

69:02into

69:02Yeah, I I think um there are ways to

69:05design the driveway in its current

69:07location um that would achieve slower

69:10speed. So for instance um you know right

69:13now this thing's 32 feet wide, right?

69:15That's that's wider than this room. Um

69:18so um the reason it is because in the

69:20gray area you've got this larger sweep

69:22vehicle.

69:23Uh we're designing one of these actually

69:25in TR right now. Um and BT's commentary

69:28to us was provide

69:30uh mountable scored concrete aprons that

69:34flank this driveway so that the

69:36effective width of the driveway

69:38is 14 to 16 feet

69:40and a tractor trailer can still get over

69:42this thing. They want to come in. So,

69:45uh, the other aspect is that this island

69:47feature could be drawn into the site

69:49further than is currently shown. So, you

69:52don't have a C circumstance where

69:53someone comes in going very quickly to a

69:55pump position.

69:57You'd have to make a full 90° turn and

70:00at a slower speed and then proceed. So,

70:02there those are the types of design

70:04enhancements that, you know, likely to

70:06come out of that consultation process.

70:08Um, and we we've suggested some in our

70:11commentary.

70:12I mean, one of my concerns is just rapid

70:14slow down in the travel lane to make

70:17that speed in that's that's

70:19additionally speed into the parking lot

70:22but rapid slow down in that area

70:25for some of us aren't aware of it is

70:29because other people don't slow down

70:32they don't they they go up to that light

70:33and then they slam on there but it's

70:38I don't know why it's just

70:40so D has very specific commercial

70:43driveway design standards. And some of

70:46those standards have this what's known

70:47as a taper, right? Uh it's not a full

70:50lane. Uh but it it eases, you know, it

70:53allows you to go from 40 45 miles an

70:56hour down to 30 relatively easily and

70:59gently. Uh and then once you're into a

71:02site, then there are other design

71:04features like the extension of the

71:05island that would then allow you to go

71:08from 30 down to 15. Should be we

71:12continue until maybe the next meeting or

71:15um

71:17then

71:17will you be ready by August 12th or do

71:20you want to get into September?

71:23First meeting in September is the

71:25Oh, is it August 12th or August?

71:28Um [clears throat] our next meeting

71:30we have one in August and it's the 12th

71:33and then the next

71:35September 7th or September 2nd or

71:37September 16th.

71:45It may take you a couple of meetings

71:47through Cong to get

71:52September

71:54the first or the second.

71:55No, the f the first meeting is on

71:57second.

71:59Oh, on the second.

72:00Yeah.

72:02[clears throat]

72:03Uh

72:04yeah. So, there'll be another meeting

72:06with Kong Con on the 19th if we do that.

72:09Yeah, we let's let's do this September

72:112nd.

72:12Um, any other comments from

72:16the public? Nope. We make a motion to

72:19continue this public hearing um till

72:22September 2nd. Second.

72:25All in favor?

72:26I

72:27Thank you. Good luck.

72:31Anybody

72:34can come in and look at

72:39your comments. Appreciate

72:40it.

72:46Thank you.

72:52[clears throat]

73:08Yes.

73:10So, we have a um the continued public

73:13hearing for adjusting and just

73:15properties. the um

73:18the approval to remove the mini golf

73:20structure and construct a pre-fabricated

73:237200 foot metal building

73:27at 360 was

73:34you an engineer for the project

73:44this

73:45is kind of an interim site plan. I just

73:47wanted to go over some of the changes

73:49that made

73:51you want.

74:18So this is um

74:22Oh, gotcha.

74:24So this is a proposed contractor bay

74:27rental building, seven seven bays on the

74:31360 West Worester Road site, which is a

74:33former mini golf site.

74:36And uh we had a preliminary hearing, got

74:39comments from Graves, addressed a bunch

74:41of those. Still have some water that we

74:43have to deal with. One of the big issues

74:45was working with the fire chief on the

74:48access to the site. So, we had more of a

74:51curve linear roadway coming in here. We

74:53eliminated that, bringing in a, you

74:56know, a straight shot for the fire

74:58apparatus and we met with the chief this

75:01afternoon before the meeting. So, we

75:03still need to do a little work on the

75:06curves for the access around the

75:08building. So, we're doing that. But, uh,

75:11we did add some drainage behind the

75:14building. That was one of the comments

75:15that Graves was concerned that off-site

75:17drainage would interfere with our

75:19infiltration system. So, we took care of

75:21that going that way. Um, we relocated

75:26the existing building that, you know,

75:29sort of the name can be like a rental

75:31building. There was some additional

75:32parking here.

75:35We expanded the parking lot.

75:37There's two criteria for the parking for

75:39the building. One says 14 spaces, the

75:42other says 28 spaces.

75:45We have 18 spaces here now. Kind of

75:49shooting toward a middle ground. Two of

75:51them are handicapped if we require that.

75:55Why is there multiple criteria?

75:57I'm sorry.

75:58What what creates the multiple criteria

76:00for parking?

76:00Well, there there's two different

76:02building designations. You could say

76:04this might fall under this one or it

76:06might fall under that one. It doesn't

76:07have it doesn't fall specifically under

76:09[clears throat] any of the, you know,

76:11things listed in the town right. So,

76:13okay.

76:15So,

76:15and you've been working with on that?

76:17Yeah. So, so we did expand. We

76:20originally had a 14 the spaces. We're up

76:22to 18 now. And a couple additional

76:26spaces down through here.

76:29the uh drainage system. We we built that

76:33up a little bit here and uh this one is

76:36pretty much the same we had in the

76:37initial plan

76:39and we've been working Ecotech the

76:42environmental consultants been

76:44discussing with conservation about the

76:46roadway change. I just need to get them

76:48the updated numbers on that. But um

76:51according to them, we we have excess

76:54restoration area. So we don't they don't

76:57see a problem. But uh that they are

76:59working with conservation to you know

77:01bring that up to date

77:03and uh we've done some other

77:05miscellaneous plan changes but we're

77:08going to be doing some more but okay

77:10again we just wanted to you know bring

77:12the board up to date where we are and uh

77:15you know unfortunately we met back in

77:17May

77:18and I was going for knee surgery in June

77:21and it was a lot worse than I thought it

77:23was. So not much happened in June. So

77:26Okay. Okay. But uh we're going to finish

77:29this up. I'd like to get it back to

77:30Grace before the end of the month.

77:32Okay. So that we could move forward in

77:34the in the August meeting.

77:36Okay.

77:37I don't know if anybody in the board has

77:39any specific questions or

77:41you were talking it's mainly going to be

77:43now for construction related vehicles.

77:45It's mostly your buildings here.

77:47I'm sorry.

77:48Most of your uh rental spaces are going

77:50to be construction related. Did you see

77:53what he said?

77:54We're looking at at small building

77:56contractors, electricians, plumbing, you

77:59know, like that. Somebody that, you

78:01know, would come in,

78:04use these bays for storage for his

78:06material, come in, pick up things,

78:08leave, go back to work.

78:09Okay.

78:10It's not open to the public, so there's

78:13not a lot of traffic going in here.

78:16And uh, you know, interim during the

78:18day, obviously, people could come back

78:20and forth, but we don't see this uh a

78:22high volume traffic situation. So the

78:25reason I'm asking are so you've got the

78:2818 parking spaces. Uh now these parking

78:32spaces are there are going to be for

78:34registered vehicles only not somebody

78:36storing a bulldozer or veo or

78:39Yeah. I mean you know whoever renters

78:41you know they may have a truck that they

78:43want to park outside or they may want to

78:45park it inside a unit at night

78:47but they employees come in they have

78:50someplace to park during the day and

78:51then they leave.

78:53It's not overnight parking for, you

78:56know, unregistered vehicles, per se.

78:58Okay, that's that's question. Oh,

79:00because somebody takes a truck off the

79:02road or we're going to put it back on or

79:04they and it sits in the parking lot and

79:06see it for a long time.

79:07No, the applicant will make sure that

79:09that doesn't

79:10Okay, that's what they're saying.

79:12It's not a junkyard,

79:14though. That I I know what you're

79:16saying. That does tend to happen.

79:20We have a bylaw that allows No more than

79:22two unregistered vehicles in people's

79:24yards.

79:29Okay.

79:30Any other questions?

79:33There's seven bays. [clears throat]

79:35Seven bay. Yeah, there's a large bay at

79:37each end and five smaller bays in

79:39between.

79:41Small office space in there. I think we

79:43talked about that.

79:43Yeah,

79:45each bay has a small office.

79:47Refresh my memory.

79:48Toilet system. Yeah, that's one of the

79:51other things. There was a question about

79:52the well that's on site

79:54and it turned out it actually was at one

79:56time a public water supply that's been

79:58discontinued

80:00and uh been working with the state to

80:02get it formally removed.

80:05Okay.

80:05And we talked to people at the board of

80:07health

80:08and uh you know they gave us a lot of

80:10the background information.

80:17Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Hotel

80:2225

80:26people 15 more days a year.

80:27That's right. There was a hotel on that

80:29property.

80:29Yeah.

80:31Just you guys, my partner and I, we're

80:32probably going to keep half the building

80:33for ourselves anyway from my employment

80:35company and his business. That's kind of

80:37our intention.

80:37Okay.

80:38But we wanted to do the whole building.

80:39So if we ever sold in the future, it's

80:41set up.

80:43Okay.

80:44Yeah. So I saying it's more small

80:47contractor, not landscapers, not auto

80:50repair,

80:51not retail, not not public access.

80:54No, there's no no public in

80:57any of that stuff. All special permit

80:59anyways.

81:00Okay.

81:01Actually, I sent a couple building to I

81:03believe Jane, did I send that to you?

81:06Which one?

81:06I sent you similar units, similar stuff.

81:09Yeah, the one right brand new one right

81:11in where?

81:12Right in Lester on Stafford Street.

81:13Okay. It's a brand new building. I got

81:14you.

81:15That's kind of like a potion stamp.

81:16There's like no parking at all and you

81:18can't go behind a building at 8 ft. This

81:20is nothing like that. At least just an

81:21idea of what it looks like.

81:23This type of units are very high demand.

81:31So you're working with fire.

81:33Great. So you're good. Do we have any

81:36comments?

81:37We had one meeting with conservation.

81:40Yeah, conservation had the initial

81:42meeting and then you know, put it in

81:44advance until the board.

81:48Yes. So, right now,

81:49so echo echo techch is still working

81:51with them, you know, verbally to keep

81:54them updated.

81:56So, the comments I received from is says

81:59this office echoes the comment

82:00engineering. I have an honor actually

82:02received the comments from Engineering,

82:04but uh lacking specified use of the

82:06building. Compliance with allowed uses

82:08sufficiently [clears throat] of parking

82:09spaces cannot be evaluated. The main

82:12concern is just knowing what the uses

82:13are in there. And there are are

82:16different ways that this can be

82:17approached where you talk about things

82:18that are special permit. If the board

82:20knew kind of what that range of uses

82:23are, you could permit that with certain

82:25conditions to address certain uses. You

82:28know, if there was automotive as a use

82:31that you wanted to pursue, maybe you

82:33have to make sure that all people have

82:35oil capture or something like So if a

82:36tenant wanted to be like automotive say

82:38we even allowed that that have to be on

82:39them do it for a special permit

82:40directly. We we don't want that property

82:42anyways

82:43potentially. So it it could be and that

82:46would be up to the board as well.

82:47It could be a condition that that

82:48doesn't have somebody

82:51you'd be okay with conditioning.

82:53Absolutely.

82:54We don't want that.

82:56And that a potential use that may you

82:58may have and you may like to pursue but

83:01might not be right from the get-go as

83:03part of the special permit process. The

83:05board could allow a certain type of use

83:07and then maybe not requiring a full

83:09special permit review when that comes

83:11in. There's different ways of approach

83:12that and I'll I'll work with you folks

83:14and kind of how best to approach that.

83:16Sounds good.

83:17Appreciate it.

83:18Um

83:20so um when when do you when will you be

83:24ready to come back?

83:26I assume you have a meeting the 2nd of

83:28October the next morning.

83:30No, we have we have one we have 12

83:33August 12th. August 12th or September

83:362nd.

83:37You want to shoot for August 12th and we

83:39can always continue and we can push it

83:41off again.

83:42Yeah. If we get it to graves hopefully

83:43we can get some comment back and and

83:45Okay. you know, get it into more of a

83:47finalized phase. Okay.

83:50U make a motion to continue the public

83:52hearing for Jessie Jesse Properties to

83:54August 12th.

83:57I second the motion.

83:59All in favor?

84:00I I

84:02Okay, thank you very much.

84:04Thank you.

84:18Thanks.

84:24Appcate

84:33Skywars.

84:47when when you're ready when you're um

84:49just continuing uh a public hearing.

84:54Glad you're back where I'll explain you

84:56have cell phone coverage in that area.

84:59Madame chair, members of the board,

85:02staff, uh good evening. For the record,

85:04my name is Eron Wall. I'm councel for

85:07Sky Towers. Uh with me this evening is

85:10Jesse Marino uh from the proter design

85:12group. He's our project engineer

85:15and fresh out of the conservation

85:18commission meeting we have Jeff Mason

85:21from Lucas Environmental Group and also

85:24joining us this evening I think a

85:26resident right?

85:26Yeah.

85:28Joe Oi

85:29from Smart Link on behalf of Verizon

85:32Wireless.

85:34Hi Joe.

85:36I think the last time that we were here

85:39was in April. He presented the uh full

85:42application.

85:44We've had three peer review rounds uh

85:47with Brave Engineering. Uh the advice

85:51that we have had along the way uh Jane

85:54has been uh so very helpful. Um is that

85:59we've continued three times.

86:01I appreciate the board's willingness to

86:03let us continue so that we could address

86:05the uh comments from uh Graves uh

86:08because Jane said you want to come back

86:11when it says acknowledged.

86:13Yeah.

86:15Otherwise, we'll send you out again.

86:17[laughter]

86:17That's right. So, I think we uh the

86:22[clears throat] most recent report I'm

86:24guessing that you folks all have that

86:25from uh Graves. It should be a July July

86:2913th.

86:30I'll print it right now.

86:35Are they all acknowledged?

86:37They they are all acknowledged.

86:40Well, actually, let me retract that.

86:42They're all acknowledged. Uh there are

86:4422 uh different comments um from Graves.

86:49Uh the very last comment number 22 uh we

86:53had submitted the onm plan and was not

86:57yet signed by the land owner of Blue Sky

87:00Towers. So, I have fresh signatures.

87:10We've got fire department.

87:12Yeah, we we've spoken um already um

87:35I need those.

87:52So,

87:57so um I think there were that was the

88:00one comment from uh Graves review that

88:04was outstanding.

88:06There were uh four waiver requests in

88:11the uh comments that of course uh he

88:15deferred to you folks. And then I think

88:18there's uh the last time we were here we

88:21talked about a removal bond and we

88:24recently submitted and I'm not sure if

88:26you folks have I I did bring copies of

88:30that but I think Jane said she might

88:32have distributed

88:34um Jesse put together an estimate with

88:36regards to what it would cost to take

88:39that

88:40take that down. Um, so from our uh

88:44review from from uh Graves from uh

88:48Michael who's been uh just so you know

88:51in the interim from when we uh were here

88:54in April, we did after each of his peer

88:58review comments uh he was gracious

89:01enough to schedule a Zoom meeting with

89:04uh Jesse and I and another engineer to

89:06go through those comments so that

89:08hopefully we're able to, you know, based

89:10upon the acknowledged

89:11uh we could get through those comments.

89:14So, I'm not sure if you want to review

89:16those. Jesse, I think, is prepared to

89:19to talk through those or I'll be like

89:23address them.

89:29Can you remind me of

89:32I normally have these plans ahead of

89:35time, so we're off. It's we're a little

89:37little off, but the waiverss, what were

89:40they?

89:41Um so yeah I had

89:45uh I think I distributed the list of uh

89:49wavers but there are four four waiverss

89:53like I can go through those

89:57I have if I sorry but okay

90:00I mean I did want it to

90:07I think we did chat about those briefly

90:10at the last meeting with

90:12a long time ago.

90:13It was a [laughter] long time ago.

90:14We agree.

90:15There's four. Two of them are pretty

90:17easy sight related ones. Um if I recall,

90:20one was um had to do with a fence

90:22height, I believe. Uh so we have a six

90:24foot chain fence, but for security,

90:26there's some barb wire on it.

90:28Because we're so far away from the road

90:30and butters, I don't really think

90:32there's an opportunity for the folks to

90:34see a lot of that. So that's on there.

90:35And the tower itself is fully gated

90:37around.

90:38It is gated. Yeah. Okay. How about the

90:39access road to get into there? Is there

90:41anything there or

90:44I don't recall if we have a

90:47good question. Sometimes

90:48we don't. Yeah.

90:51Look at that. It's a pretty

90:54rural road of knowing some of the utes

90:57in the area.

91:01Three utes.

91:02Yeah. When they're

91:05We have an access gate. It's it's a

91:07little bit further into the site, but we

91:09could certainly push it back.

91:11Um it's kind of uh

91:14sort of by the tree line instead of

91:16having way

91:16as long as long as it's in within sight

91:19of the road.

91:20Yeah, there's So the the Beagle Club has

91:22some some areas that they can get access

91:24to here. So the idea we put this access

91:27sort of by the

91:28this way this way. I think one of the

91:30other things is a maybe a landscape plan

91:32and because we're

91:34800 still feet off the road behind those

91:36trees,

91:38we uh we don't have a formalized

91:40landscape,

91:41but realistically there isn't really

91:44that much tree clearing because back in

91:46I don't know 2122 they did some uh tree

91:50thinging and clearing and we're pretty

91:53much sticking to those areas. I mean

91:56there will be some but not

91:59acres of clear cut or anything like

92:01that.

92:04Any other questions from the door?

92:08Any question from the public?

92:11Um,

92:13we should close the hearing, right?

92:16There's a few plan changes we could go

92:17over if you're interested.

92:19Yeah. I mean, let's if this plan changes

92:21something different than what we saw

92:22before.

92:23Real minor stuff. Let's just go over it.

92:26So

92:26in between last time and this time um

92:29Curtis I believe is the building

92:31commissioner assigned a 911 address.

92:34Okay.

92:35So the underlying property is 103. So

92:37one of the now that the

92:40if the tower is built it'll be known as

92:4291 bond road.

92:43Okay.

92:44So how you guys want to deal with that

92:46on the permit maybe it's an AKA or what

92:49have you. But um

92:52that was a comment that

92:54the the lot numbering didn't change.

92:58No, I think it's just because it's a a

93:00leased

93:01premises and it it needs its own

93:0491 address,

93:07but not the lot itself, right? So, it's

93:09it's a little bit different than you

93:11normally see, but I just wanted to make

93:13that point um on that. Uh so, that was

93:17one of one of the one of the updates. um

93:21through the through the

93:27conservation process. Um

93:30there was a peer reviewer and there was

93:33a uh a wetland flag uh that was that was

93:36added in this region here. Didn't affect

93:39too much, but it it expanded a small

93:41area and changed the buffer. As far as

93:43our impacts, pretty much the same, but

93:45that was a change here. Um and again we

93:49have Lucas environmental here that we

93:51could talk about that if there's a

93:52question on that but um it's pretty

93:54minor. It was a something that I believe

93:56they did on the walk through and wanted

93:58that changed.

94:00Um one of the comments um from Graves

94:04and you talked about it last time but

94:06you wanted a detail of it was to provide

94:10a paved apron by the street. Um so now

94:14we we have done that. There's a 20 foot

94:16wide cave apron here and there's a

94:18detail later on in the sheet that uh

94:21describes that

94:23um

94:28in this location here at the crossing.

94:30Um based on um peer review by Ecotech

94:35and discussions over at Conscom, there

94:38were several minor tweaks that were made

94:40to that. Um, one was the location of the

94:43covert. Before we kind of had it uh a

94:46little bit east, they wanted it more

94:48central, so it was moved back. Um, and

94:52um, we also uh, one of the comments was

94:55to provide uh, grades on the top and

94:57bottom of the wall. Uh, we've done that

94:59as well and we were able to um, optimize

95:03this area, kind of reduce the wall. We

95:05we were like five or six feet before,

95:07now we're down to about four feet. So,

95:09that's good. Might allow us to use a

95:11smaller block, a little bit easier to

95:13build. Um, we were able to do that with

95:15minor changes to grading. We're still

95:1710% or under on the on the driveway, so

95:20no big change there. Um, um, we were

95:23able to do that. Um, [clears throat]

95:26there was um

95:30some a slight modification. It was

95:33basically a a uh

95:36a permit that was done for uh land or

95:39for tree clearing in 2021 and through

95:42the process uh there um the peer review

95:46ecert um determined that there may have

95:49been some small impact on that on this

95:52existing sort of crossing here. So there

95:55was a sort of a friendly uh enforcement

95:58order that was put forth basically to uh

96:02have the land owner, it's not really

96:04blue sky at the land owner that they

96:06have to uh create a uh um a mitigation

96:10area about 260 square feet. So pretty

96:12small area. We show that where that area

96:15is on here. Previously it was an area

96:18that we had uh a rip wrap pad and stuff.

96:20So overall the impacts are that you saw

96:23are pretty much the same. That that uh

96:26pad was changed out for basically a a

96:30small planting plan and and some weather

96:32mitigation. Um

96:36on that um

96:40we also there were six test fits that

96:42were done uh well I should say five test

96:45bits and one probe here. So a

96:47professional geotech company came here

96:50uh and and provided borings. Uh they did

96:53it for for the tower uh itself. Uh the

96:57access drive so we can make sure uh uh

97:00that the retaining wall is designed

97:01appropriately for uh the the vehicles

97:05that would be used there. Um and also uh

97:08in the storm water basin here. So um all

97:11of that was done um on that. Um,

97:18further on, there were just some

97:23minor updates made. Again, we talked

97:26about the pavements in a little detail

97:28of what that would look like. Um, the

97:31driveway section, we talked about it

97:33last time. They wanted to know what the

97:36different aggregates were um for when uh

97:39the driveway was 6% or under or uh

97:43greater than 6%. There's a little bit

97:45different aggregate there for that. Um,

97:49one is a uh when it's flatter, it's a

97:53one inch minus. When it's a little bit

97:57uh steeper, we're using a little bit

97:59bigger rock so it doesn't wash up.

98:01Nothing nothing bigger than

98:03realistically too much. So, it's still

98:05not uh anything too large there. Um,

98:12one of the other comments that uh,

98:14Graves had had was um, in our basin, our

98:17storm water feature. Um, they wanted to

98:21have us provide a monitoring well. Um,

98:25so we show the location of the

98:27monitoring well in there and we provide

98:30a detail and that's just for maintenance

98:32purposes. I would add that he um had

98:36suggested uh

98:40possibly a condition uh of approval um

98:43before this was built to uh test the

98:45area for season, you know, seasonal high

98:47groundwater. Just so you know, there

98:49they did these two borings and I believe

98:52the report was sent to you. They didn't

98:54have any groundwater to about 10 ft.

98:56This is an outwash area. It's all kind

98:59of sands and gravels in that area. So um

99:02don't believe there's any real concern

99:04for that. So we're not concerned with

99:06that at all. We provided uh an

99:08explanation of that and also there was

99:10some uh we provide some uh information

99:14and some currently a vai on uh the

99:17people that did the testing. So um uh

99:20you know their qualifications and what

99:22have you. So um they were able

99:25[cough and clears throat] as well. But

99:26we do also have that monitoring well

99:27down to that 10 ft and like I said that

99:30boring depth. They didn't run into any

99:33groundwater, which makes sense because

99:34we're up on a null here and we're still

99:36a few feet higher than that wetland

99:39area. So, so all that all that uh checks

99:42out makes sense to us. The other thing

99:44is that the borings are done in April.

99:46As anybody knows, April uh is a pretty

99:49high groundwater season. So, if you're

99:51going to see high groundwater, you would

99:53generally see it in in those in that

99:56time frame. Um,

99:59so that is basically the the changes

100:02 | that were there on the drawing. So, not

100:04 | a huge change from

100:07 | 30,000 foot uh foot view, but basically

100:11 | some items that were uh requested by

100:14 | grades to to clean up.

100:22 | Couple questions through the chair. So,

100:24 | so who is the [cough] responsible

100:26 | [clears throat]

100:26 | party? Sorry, I like that.

100:28 | So, within the lease area, so both of

100:30 | them are are on there because in this

100:33 | situation, um, Blue Sky Tower has a

100:36 | lease with the underlying menu and in

100:39 | that lease, they allow um it's allowed

100:42 | that we can maintain the uh the features

100:48 | and the compound here on the site. So uh

100:50 | what we've done on that is to

100:52 | acknowledge that there is an agreement

100:54 | between both parties. We have both

100:55 | parties signed. But what that means is

100:58 | that blue sky portion of the easement

101:01 | driveway and compound would be the

101:03 | responsibility of them.

101:06 | So blue sky is responsible and it is

101:08 | something like you know the maintenance

101:09 | contract.

101:11 | They have some they have their own

101:12 | people that do some of it but they also

101:14 | hire out to uh folks to things need to

101:17 | be done.

101:19 | But not the legal club. It's

101:21 | correct.

101:22 | Maintenance on the hook for that.

101:25 | They would not be it's it's them

101:26 | acknowledging it because no

101:31 | infection.

101:46 | I'm not sure of the answer to that, but

101:48 | they own more than a thousand towers

101:49 | now, and I think it's something that

101:52 | they'll hold on part of their portfolio.

101:54 | Yes.

101:56 | There was a comment in there that Graves

101:57 | wanted to have some additional um

102:00 | maintenance uh timelines

102:05 | about and uh some things to to uh

102:10 | check and then on the maintenance plan

102:12 | as it as it related to the uh gravel

102:14 | driveway. So that was that

102:17 | pretty minor stuff. Yeah,

102:18 | normally that's kind of centered around

102:20 | all the best management practices and

102:22 | the storm water features, but because of

102:24 | the driveway in this case, he wanted

102:26 | some of that added which which was

102:27 | added.

102:28 | Yeah, I see it. Thank you.

102:30 | Yep.

102:32 | So, one thing that that um Graves did

102:35 | comment for comment 20 was additional

102:38 | test pits in the basin.

102:40 | Yeah, I don't think that's necessary at

102:42 | all, but um we're not opposed to that as

102:46 | a condition. I just think that

102:50 | in this case, we had a whole

102:52 | professional geologist go out there and

102:54 | do multiple borings for the purposes of

102:56 | structural and this and and nothing was

102:59 | found to 10 ft, but we're not opposed to

103:02 | that. I just

103:05 | I think in our explanation here, I can I

103:07 | can read it. Um

103:09 | it's nothing to dwell on if that's what

103:10 | you want to do. Just

103:12 | really an extra step. But um so the guys

103:14 | that did it, one's a professional

103:15 | geotechnical engineer, one's a

103:17 | geologist. Um it was also overseen by

103:21 | one of the other vice presidents. But

103:23 | basically um we give them the resumes.

103:26 | So the kinds the kinds of seasonal high

103:30 | ground water we would see modeling in

103:32 | these features would be something that

103:35 | would have more uh silts and clays in it

103:37 | or or uh uh like sandy loms, till this

103:41 | is more outwash. So you don't really get

103:43 | those features in that. And if you do

103:45 | see them in there, they're not usually

103:47 | an accurate representation. And that's

103:49 | what they were trying to say. Um that

103:52 | the standard solar mining is unreliable

103:54 | in these grand soils anyway. And that

103:56 | estimating seasonal high with those it

103:59 | doesn't it lacks the the type of

104:02 | features that you'd use to provide it

104:03 | there anyway. So their point was water

104:06 | wasn't even observed at one of the worst

104:08 | times of the year to 10 feet below

104:10 | grade. We're only

104:14 | we're uh

104:17 | pretty much acade

104:19 | of of uh

104:24 | excavation.

104:25 | So we we have 8 foot. So there's plenty

104:29 | of of buffer in there. So that's why I

104:31 | don't think in this case it's it's

104:33 | necessary. But

104:36 | we want to monitor well.

104:37 | We do well.

104:40 | Yeah, we do. Yeah, we do. Yep. So, um

104:44 | you know there's we can look here too. I

104:46 | have a copy here for it. But for

104:47 | example, at the tower itself, the the

104:51 | boring went a little bit deeper

104:54 | and uh

104:57 | got here. I can kind of read it off.

105:00 | They um

105:03 | yeah, so at that depth, the observed

105:06 | groundwater at this location 674 was

105:09 | some 14 and 1/2 ft down.

105:12 | Okay.

105:13 | And um where we are

105:16 | um

105:19 | here um

105:22 | you know we're still another 8 ft to

105:25 | that sort of location. So I think

105:27 | there's plenty of buffer there but again

105:29 | if that's something that the board sees

105:30 | fit that's fine. I think originally it

105:34 | stemmed from um sometimes KNCOM has um

105:38 | in their

105:40 | some of their conditions or bylaws that

105:41 | they wanted to be witnessed but um in

105:45 | this case um

105:48 | um I don't believe they've asked for

105:51 | that and um we went ahead and and got

105:54 | the sort of the full monty here with the

105:56 | uh uh to provide the the entire uh

106:01 | structural review of the soil itself. So

106:04 | we have everything we need to move

106:06 | forward with the with the structural

106:09 | onation.

106:12 | I think it's more the swale and that is

106:14 | the

106:15 | concern in the report. Was it wet and

106:18 | flowing during the April testing period

106:21 | down here? No, I think in these areas it

106:23 | still was 2 and 1/2 3 ft down to even

106:26 | there.

106:26 | Even here. Yeah. So

106:28 | it wasn't even flowing.

106:30 | It doesn't flow across here. There might

106:33 | be some areas of steam water, but you're

106:35 | down at 665 664 here.

106:40 | Um, okay.

106:42 | So, that's still 4 ft below where we

106:44 | are.

106:47 | Okay. Make sure we had a copy of that.

106:49 | And again, if that's what you want us to

106:52 | do, we can we can certainly do it. But

106:53 | just um in this case I think

106:58 | with all that considered we're still

107:00 | four four and a half

107:00 | feet

107:07 | had some questions on the decom.

107:12 | Yep. Scratch that. So um in here it says

107:18 | the responsibility kit carrier specific

107:21 | tower ground equipment has the

107:23 | responsibility of the carrier.

107:25 | Yeah. So if if the tower is ever to be

107:28 | not in use the carrier would already be

107:30 | gone otherwise the carrier was there.

107:32 | Yeah.

107:32 | It'd be it'd be operating. So the idea I

107:35 | think and this there's not a lot of

107:37 | detail in the bio, but I believe if if

107:40 | there is no carrier, there's no Verizon

107:43 | and and uh Blue Sky has the tower

107:45 | sitting up there with nothing on it, the

107:47 | idea is that this bond will cover

107:50 | removing that and there's no carrier

107:52 | there.

107:54 | Okay. So if if you lose if they lose the

107:57 | carrier for a period of time, is there a

107:59 | period of time on that? I mean normally

108:01 | that's something I think a discussion of

108:03 | how long that period might be but I mean

108:06 | that that's something we could we

108:08 | condition

108:11 | something something that I mean if it

108:13 | sits there for more than a year or two

108:16 | what's reasonable

108:17 | one one or two years would definitely

108:19 | not be reasonable from a tower

108:20 | standpoint it's a huge investment to

108:22 | build this in the first place

108:24 | and if they're they're going to want to

108:26 | the government's going to be auctioning

108:27 | off more frequencies in the future.

108:29 | Yeah,

108:31 | this guy would probably want 20 years,

108:33 | but I would think 10 would be in a

108:34 | reasonable ballpark if I were to speak

108:36 | on their behalf.

108:37 | So, it would be reasonable to have a

108:39 | condition there if the carrier was

108:41 | absent from the power for more than two

108:43 | years. It would

108:44 | 10 years.

108:44 | 10 years.

108:45 | 10 years.

108:46 | I would say 10 would be more reasonable.

108:47 | Absent from like removed.

108:50 | Yeah.

108:51 | Yeah. I mean, I could see that their

108:53 | technology is changing and

108:55 | last forever.

108:56 | Okay. Okay.

108:58 | I would just think it then would be a

109:01 | new carrier within two years easily.

109:04 | You just don't know. They don't want to

109:06 | take down a structure that they spent,

109:08 | you know, three,000 building.

109:10 | Yeah, I hear it.

109:11 | I think some time limitation is

109:13 | certainly reasonable.

109:15 | What that

109:16 | I think in addition 10 years

109:17 | 10 years 10 years

109:19 | at least a a meeting about

109:24 | Yeah. What I also see right I see

109:26 | discussion within that time period. So

109:28 | we all start with

109:30 | what's going on.

109:31 | What's going on,

109:33 | right? Yeah. A trigger to have a

109:34 | discussion and

109:36 | what's going on

109:36 | possible decommissioning.

109:39 | Okay.

109:40 | Um and remind me what So there's uh a

109:44 | power supply in there, transformer,

109:48 | battery.

109:49 | That stuff would come out. Um what would

109:51 | stay is so what we're thinking is the

109:54 | compound itself the tower would come

109:57 | down the fence this would be reveitated

110:00 | um um but the storm water in this access

110:04 | I mean obviously that gets them if the

110:06 | tower isn't here there is a significant

110:08 | amount of upland area that's permitted

110:10 | that the that the beagle um folks could

110:15 | use so we weren't planning to take that

110:17 | part out

110:18 | um and this stuff is all outside the

110:20 | buffer that would be able to do. So, you

110:21 | just come in there and recede and and do

110:24 | that. Basically, the things that would

110:26 | you people would see from a distance,

110:27 | the height, the this, the

110:30 | um that's what's on here. You want

110:32 | something else,

110:33 | you can talk about our contracts. We'll

110:36 | discuss maybe 6 in below grade or

110:38 | something along those lines.

110:41 | What's the equipment? Are these uh

110:44 | transformers in there for the power

110:46 | supply?

110:46 | Yeah. So um and and tell me more about

110:49 | the batteries that are required

110:52 | concrete pad

110:54 | we can

110:55 | batteries are only provided by the

110:56 | carriers that wouldn't be a blue sky. Um

110:59 | then the batteries are contained in

111:01 | equipment cabinets that are self

111:03 | ventilated and everything. So the

111:04 | carrier is not there. You're not going

111:05 | to have any batteries on.

111:06 | So so what we would in this what's what

111:09 | would be included uh is the meter center

111:12 | the uh transformer.

111:14 | Yeah. Um

111:16 | the batteries as you say he's exactly

111:18 | right. There's no um really here unless

111:21 | the tower is to be lit and it's not the

111:24 | land the the uh blue sky doesn't even

111:26 | have a meter here. They don't have

111:27 | anything that generates power so on. No

111:31 | batteries in that. That would be the the

111:32 | carrier stuff

111:33 | in a cabinet in that

111:35 | and like I said the thinking here is

111:37 | that if there's no carrier if there's no

111:42 | transmission of and it's just an empty

111:44 | power that's when you would trigger the

111:46 | the

111:46 | size of that cabinet.

111:48 | Yeah. The size of the cabinet is like

111:50 | refrigerator size I would say.

111:52 | And that would have the batteries in it.

111:54 | But if there's no carrier, if there's no

111:56 | trans um there's no Verizon, AT&T,

111:59 | T-Mobile, etc. and you're not um

112:01 | tricking them transmitting any

112:04 | yeah radio not a big container sized

112:08 | anymore.

112:09 | No, as a matter of fact, Verizon just

112:10 | changed their footprint to go from a

112:12 | 12x20 concrete pad 12 in in thickness to

112:16 | a pad just for the generator 4x8 a pad

112:20 | just for the cabinets 8 by7. They're

112:22 | trying to cut costs everywhere.

112:24 | So, it's just shrinking and shrinking.

112:26 | They don't realize that that doesn't cut

112:27 | any cost, but that's the difference.

112:30 | You still have to come here. You still

112:32 | have to get it. You still have to

112:35 | suddenly get a bonus from the

112:37 | It's a materials issue.

112:41 | They go back and forth every couple

112:42 | years.

112:43 | They really do.

112:43 | They really do. But um yeah, so um

112:46 | they're actually one other good thing is

112:47 | they're going to do they call this

112:49 | allin-one cabinets. So instead of four

112:51 | having two cabinets, they're basically

112:52 | going to one.

112:54 | Um if anything that you see here, like

112:57 | he said, it will be likely smaller than

112:59 | this at the time.

113:01 | Yeah,

113:03 | that was pretty recent that they made

113:04 | that

113:05 | yesterday or today.

113:07 | There you go.

113:08 | This one's not going to change because

113:09 | I'm not spending engineering money to

113:11 | redraw the plans. They're going to build

113:12 | it that way.

113:13 | Well, yeah, we're talking kind of stuff.

113:16 | We got just got the lease finalized,

113:18 | too.

113:18 | Sometimes they get a little cute and

113:19 | say, "Oh, we want a little pad here,

113:21 | little pad here." But like you said, you

113:22 | still have all those same

113:24 | still have to buy concrete. You still

113:25 | have to have the guys there for a day.

113:27 | You still have to form it. You still

113:29 | have to put rebar in it. You still have

113:30 | to finish it. So if there's another

113:33 | extra yard,

113:34 | another

113:37 | doesn't save, but

113:38 | we do what the client asks.

113:42 | And uh just another condition was uh we

113:45 | might add, so it's okay if we ask you to

113:47 | carry town communications on the pole.

113:52 | That's

113:52 | that was one of the comments in the

113:53 | review and we've agreed to that. Y and

113:56 | maybe a rack space obviously.

113:59 | Yeah, I'm sure there would be

114:00 | some ground space.

114:01 | Some ground space and something on

114:03 | there. Sure. Yep. That's that's very

114:05 | common. Y

114:06 | I think it has to be correct me if I'm

114:09 | wrong, but it has to be in a location

114:11 | that doesn't interfere with who's over

114:13 | there, but

114:14 | yeah, not the lowest on the tower. Maybe

114:17 | a little bit higher. True.

114:26 | Okay, over here is this is game road

114:28 | down over here. You can see that

114:31 | right up here is the uh cultural art

114:33 | center 31 is the entrance of the parking

114:35 | lot up top driveway down here. Um

114:41 | so

114:42 | these are the only

114:44 | correct cuz this is Flint Road and that

114:46 | is right there on

114:49 | Yep. So culture lessons right here at

114:51 | the top.

114:52 | So it it would probably be good to to

114:54 | condition hours. I mean

114:56 | so just to keep So we got generally

115:00 | football practices for the kids would be

115:03 | Monday through football season just

115:05 | starts now. The majority of when the

115:07 | lights we need is daylight savings.

115:09 | Mhm.

115:10 | So that happens in what October switch

115:12 | over.

115:13 | Season ends December 1st

115:16 | and nothing goes past 8:00.

115:19 | So,

115:20 | so lights up by 8:30 most and the league

115:24 | has been very child football has been

115:26 | very lucky with Nicholas College as

115:28 | well. They're doing one night a year.

115:30 | They work great with it. They free of

115:31 | charge.

115:32 | Okay.

115:32 | Open brains

115:34 | very good as a community

115:36 | what Nicholas College does, but just

115:38 | want to be able to have it. I mean, it's

115:39 | the kids home field

115:41 | and uh want them to be able to uh have

115:44 | that opportunity.

115:46 | So,

115:46 | and they're using this up the parking

115:48 | lot.

115:49 | Yep. Up top. And then

115:52 | because of one of the Amazon upgrades

115:54 | that Amazon provided to the

115:56 | the band.

115:57 | No, not the band stand. They they paid

116:00 | down here.

116:01 | The lot down here made it ADA compat

116:05 | parking down below

116:07 | and then um new snack shack.

116:10 | So,

116:10 | it's really beautiful.

116:11 | Where's Where's the band going? Is that

116:13 | supposed to go down? Suppose it would be

116:16 | filled [clears throat]

116:17 | in this area up top here.

116:21 | Center.

116:21 | Yes.

116:28 | The there is telephone poles hanging

116:32 | down here.

116:33 | um as you come down.

116:36 | As far as safety purposes,

116:38 | that would be a likely possibility

116:41 | to do that, especially for safety

116:43 | because there's not enough parking

116:45 | spaces down below. So, if you have

116:47 | practice down near any of these fields,

116:50 | park up top, walk down the paved

116:54 | walkway, driveway area,

116:55 | and if you if you're going to have

116:56 | people there at night, you got to

116:57 | provide them

116:58 | without a doubt. No, like the standard,

117:01 | you know, like walkway lights.

117:03 | Yeah, you don't need

117:06 | I would say the parking area maybe

117:10 | lights and the walkway.

117:14 | Because there is a practice field up top

117:16 | here that they do have lights

117:18 | already that they commonly use. Those

117:20 | were I don't know what year those were

117:22 | installed.

117:22 | The Mayor Farm one field like the

117:25 | whatever.

117:28 | Okay. Is that the parking area or is

117:30 | that

117:32 | It's actually the field is right

117:38 | on

117:39 | property.

117:43 | So, so as the recreation commission

117:45 | we're just providing looking to provide

117:47 | more opportunities in the town fields.

117:50 | We already have like our issue is is

117:52 | that once it gets because there's season

117:54 | once it gets dark there's no place to

117:56 | practice there's no place to have even

117:58 | you know that big um uh disclosure I'm

118:01 | also a recreation kind of but um

118:05 | right

118:06 | the just it's they don't have practice

118:09 | hours like it's you know how we don't

118:12 | have parking you don't have fields like

118:14 | at least we can kind of in increase the

118:16 | amount of time they can spread out their

118:19 | pockets

118:21 | So even if we're um a slice of any

118:26 | lights, we provide provide a uh

118:28 | lighting, looms, stuff like that just to

118:31 | provide.

118:32 | So what do we need for that's what I

118:34 | mean the reason is what what do they

118:35 | need? What do we what does the

118:36 | recreation commission need to um submit

118:41 | as for a plan? Um especially since the

118:45 | the the form, you know,

118:49 | I I think for sure that the the whoever

118:53 | is there now, the buyer,

118:54 | correct?

118:55 | It is a new person. So,

118:57 | yeah, I know that this house has been

118:59 | vacant for many years.

119:01 | Wait, this one is

119:02 | Oh, yeah.

119:03 | One of these two is is vacant.

119:05 | I know that for a fact.

119:07 | Right across from Flint, right?

119:08 | Correct. Right on Flint Road. Yeah.

119:10 | Is it 8 foot stock fence?

119:12 | Yes, that is. Yes, it is. And it's it's

119:16 | pretty grown. I'm not

119:17 | when leaves fall off the trees and

119:19 | [clears throat] that's when football

119:20 | season is

119:22 | you can look at you can look you drive

119:23 | down Flint Road look to the right and

119:25 | you look down the football.

119:26 | Okay.

119:27 | So

119:28 | so it's whatever the board feels that

119:31 | want to be submitted.

119:32 | Have you done any outreach at all? Just

119:34 | have you talked to the neighbors? I mean

119:36 | somebody complain somebody must have

119:37 | complained about the first time you get

119:38 | that condition.

119:40 | Yeah. And I don't think that that

119:41 | neighbor does not live there anymore.

119:42 | That's why the strategic part is to have

119:44 | the light shine away from those houses

119:47 | to take that off the table.

119:49 | But like I said, if you condition it to,

119:50 | you know, the maximum V30

119:52 | correct in only the months of November

119:54 | and December.

119:56 | And there's so much more technology. The

119:59 | lights are so much more kinder than they

120:00 | were back 20 how many I don't know how

120:02 | many years it was. A lot of years ago,

120:04 | right? Um, so it'll be it'll be um

120:08 | 9:00

120:10 | so you can clean up the field,

120:12 | right?

120:13 | So would we need a public hearing?

120:18 | I think probably just

120:20 | probably

120:22 | Yeah. And do revision or

120:26 | modification.

120:28 | What about

120:31 | notifiers and

120:32 | notified letters and to have in the

120:34 | newspaper

120:37 | just for hopefully

120:39 | wave any fees.

120:41 | I think yeah um yeah I mean we can look

120:45 | at the cost I think can can you can you

120:48 | cover the cost of the advertisement? I

120:50 | mean

120:52 | advertisement won't be that bad because

120:54 | what was that 100 foot

120:58 | 300t radius

120:59 | what is the average mailer cost? It just

121:02 | went up 1098 per round.

121:06 | Okay.

121:08 | I mean I I I think it's Yeah. Congress

121:11 | got to come out of the

121:15 | Yeah. Whatever the advertising is for a

121:16 | special

121:18 | what would the cost be for I mean I

121:20 | don't think we need to do

121:22 | this be the paper twice. Sound50

121:25 | $160.

121:26 | All right. So, we're talking a couple

121:27 | hundred bucks, few hundred bucks.

121:29 | And you you can wave the site from

121:33 | Yeah. Yeah.

121:34 | We can wave our fees.

121:36 | Um I don't think we'll need

121:39 | I don't think we'll need a peer review.

121:44 | This was a

121:46 | baseball.

121:47 | Yeah, possibly.

121:48 | But there was a thing cuz they didn't

121:50 | want kids going down there. I get it.

121:52 | It was a drinking spot for

121:54 | Oh, yeah. It's very dark.

121:55 | You know, it's beautiful. really nice

121:56 | down there. So,

121:57 | they did a good job.

121:59 | So, power coming down here somewhere.

122:01 | There's already I mean there's there's

122:02 | power to the snack shack and there's

122:04 | power to here. There's a scoreboard

122:06 | right here. There's power too.

122:07 | Look, baby drive down there when you're

122:09 | born. It's it's really um

122:11 | Yeah. It's pretty cool.

122:12 | So, you don't have there's no big site

122:14 | work. You just got to

122:16 | it's more or less with the would be

122:17 | light post and then the electrical. And

122:20 | I mean from the football side of it,

122:22 | there's great grants available from the

122:23 | NFL as far as the huge sport program

122:25 | that they have available. So it's all a

122:27 | matter of exploring that and seeing what

122:29 | the options are.

122:30 | See what you get from donations from

122:31 | kids.

122:32 | Yeah. Any advertisers? No, we're lucky.

122:34 | I mean, I think back years ago, McGee

122:36 | Toyota undoubtly was a huge donator

122:39 | and um I think uh there's been other

122:43 | silent donators who play in the league.

122:50 | I have to go down and see that.

122:53 | So, so I'm sorry. Um recreational cover

122:57 | costs. Um we'll wave our fees. Yeah,

123:02 | I don't think we need a peer review. Uh,

123:04 | we can look at the Noancy site plan.

123:07 | Literally just

123:08 | draw the lights.

123:10 | Yeah, I think we need some lights. And I

123:11 | we probably need some model and make the

123:15 | light.

123:16 | Yeah. Make the model light.

123:18 | The looms. Yeah. I think we just need to

123:19 | make sure that for safety nothing.

123:23 | Oh, I absolutely that's why little

123:26 | there'll be a little bit of engineering

123:28 | but

123:29 | but I include the path and if you need

123:33 | to add something to the parking lot, you

123:35 | know, add those.

123:36 | Okay.

123:37 | The whole time if you want to light up a

123:39 | piece of the practice field

123:42 | that thing up too.

123:43 | Okay.

123:47 | Yeah. Cuz I know what they the kid they

123:48 | do with the schools because they they

123:50 | practice at Harris School. They've been

123:51 | using the mobile lighting. go behind.

123:54 | Yeah.

123:54 | So, and so when daylight savings time

123:57 | hits is it I mean generally they

123:59 | practice down here at least one team

124:01 | does and they move up top once daylight

124:02 | savings. So

124:04 | just provide more area.

124:05 | Yep.

124:06 | If you shine lights this way. What's

124:08 | No, that's not that's not this isn't

124:10 | part of it. It's only on this plane.

124:14 | That's it.

124:16 | Um because I mean because there's no

124:19 | electricity close to here because you

124:22 | got

124:22 | it's a good amount of distance traveled

124:24 | there.

124:25 | It's really just a warm field, right?

124:26 | It it is and then a Yeah, without a

124:28 | doubt.

124:29 | Good.

124:30 | So

124:31 | any more room to put anywhere the fields

124:33 | here?

124:33 | So

124:35 | I think this is an upland area. You'd

124:38 | have to do a crossing here.

124:40 | That would be uh an option.

124:43 | An option. So baseball

124:46 | cuz the original plan was a suck.

124:47 | We need fields and parking desperately

124:49 | in this town.

124:51 | So, I mean I mean parking's tough here

124:53 | because for games they got to park at

124:56 | um that elementary school and walk down

124:59 | that that that lifethreatening path that

125:01 | Yeah, it's tough.

125:03 | Is this field flat over here?

125:05 | Yeah, dead flat. Can't miss it.

125:09 | Can't miss it.

125:10 | You see you'll see the post telephone PS

125:13 | with the lights on.

125:13 | Yeah.

125:16 | Now you need a field trip.

125:18 | Now you definitely need to go take a

125:19 | field trip down there.

125:20 | Yeah, you always drive by.

125:22 | I've never been down to that field. I

125:24 | mean, my kids were all out by the time

125:25 | that was built.

125:26 | You never know it was there unless

125:28 | you I've seen it completely.

125:30 | Just ignore the red tower thing.

125:33 | I I did look over and go, go, go, go,

125:34 | go, go, go, go, go, go, go.

125:35 | Just pretend that that's not there.

125:37 | Everything else is beautiful.

125:39 | What are the plans to put a field? You

125:41 | just

125:42 | I mean I mean money for you. like

125:44 | anything. Yeah,

125:45 | that and I guess what field to put there

125:48 | because like the other thing is is like

125:51 | parking. It's

125:53 | uh it's tight it's tight parking

125:55 | but over for all downtown. I mean, it's

125:57 | not just it's it's like behind the

125:59 | library, there's just no there is no any

126:02 | someday if we ever have the opportunity

126:04 | to to pull like we've had

126:06 | [clears throat] a million times and we

126:08 | never to pull some of those houses down

126:10 | on Main Street that are just there and

126:12 | make it extra parking. It would be very

126:15 | helpful.

126:16 | Pull off

126:18 | here.

126:18 | It's a wetland. I wish.

126:19 | Is it? Is it?

126:20 | It's all right here.

126:21 | Yeah. So, you get down the hill.

126:23 | That's wetland.

126:24 | That's all wetland right here. You got a

126:26 | wetland right here.

126:29 | A lot of wetland in Charlton.

126:31 | A lot of behavior.

126:32 | It's a lot of wetland.

126:33 | The um I mean the other option is now to

126:35 | start looking for, you know, down on the

126:38 | other side of Shelton for other fields

126:40 | and other um possibilities.

126:45 | Anyways, this solves this gets us one

126:47 | step closer to to giving the um the

126:49 | residents um more more recreation space,

126:52 | more field space because

126:56 | Okay, I'll get this um some more flight

127:00 | areas posted on this and then I'll uh

127:02 | get that paperwork on the uh on some

127:05 | lighting.

127:05 | Yeah, hopefully it's not too much.

127:09 | Okay.

127:10 | All right. Thank you guys very much.

127:11 | Question for you. Uh what's the timeline

127:13 | you're looking to get submitted in and

127:14 | on the agenda? Um

127:17 | probably uh the September meeting

127:19 | because I heard it when I sent outside

127:20 | September

127:21 | just and if something changes

127:22 | September

127:23 | I'll come in

127:23 | just so we have um

127:25 | remember it's going to take a couple

127:26 | weeks to post it in the in the paper

127:29 | that I mean

127:31 | football season it won't be

127:33 | Oh thank you very much I appreciate it

127:35 | thank you very much I mean it won't be

127:38 | this we're looking to get this this done

127:41 | so

127:41 | okay just more or less to get that part

127:43 | of the site so it isn't allowed

127:46 | use down there on that site.

127:47 | So, if you're going to do a public

127:48 | hearing on you're not going to do a

127:50 | public hearing on the second because

127:51 | that means the mailings have to go out

127:53 | this week. So, you want to do like

127:54 | midepptember.

127:57 | Okay. Okay. All right. That'll give you

127:58 | some time.

127:59 | Look at them pushing,

128:01 | you know. Keep it moving. I don't I

128:03 | don't blame you.

128:04 | Depends how fully it's going to slow

128:06 | down in your planning board member.

128:08 | [clears throat]

128:09 | Gillan is our brand new planner. This is

128:11 | his first meeting.

128:12 | Oh, nice.

128:13 | Jump it on in. Jump right in. Can't be

128:16 | afraid. Huh? I love it.

128:17 | He's got experience coming from the

128:19 | city.

128:24 | So, he knows what to do.

128:25 | Great. Welcome.

128:27 | First three days, he's already jumping

128:29 | in

128:29 | between the batteries and this, you

128:31 | know, it's um

128:33 | can't be.

128:34 | Okay.

128:34 | Can't be afraid. All right. I appreciate

128:36 | you guys. Thanks again.

128:40 | Good seeing you. Don't be a stranger.

128:42 | Yes. Thanks. Definely.

128:43 | All right. So, do we have We have the

128:45 | Kazowski Liam's myar signing. I don't

128:48 | know what

128:52 | this is.

128:53 | No, this is

128:54 | is it because we didn't sign it last

128:55 | time?

128:56 | Uh, it's possible. This is for the time

128:57 | being.

128:58 | This is actually

129:02 | Yeah.

129:03 | And then we have

129:14 | pen will travel.

129:17 | Could you please sign the paper copies,

129:19 | too, cuz I need to get into certain

129:21 | departments.

129:21 | Yep.

129:22 | Thank you.

129:27 | Uh

129:28 | July 15th.

129:34 | This buy you a stamp.

129:37 | Let us buy you a stamp. Especially

129:46 | good that we get up and get out of our

129:47 | seats.

129:50 | Need the sugar.

130:02 | Huh?

130:04 | Did you go back for two weeks and I came

130:07 | back and I'm like, it's hotter here.

130:10 | Like,

130:11 | you're not looking for sympathy, are

130:12 | you? No.

130:14 | You're not going to get me. How was it?

130:16 | Amazing. We by accident was there were

130:19 | there for a live volcano. I have videos

130:21 | of the volcano. Really?

130:22 | Wow.

130:22 | Did people have it on their bucket list?

130:24 | It was just like, we'll go on that day.

130:26 | Yeah, we

130:28 | got to feel the heat from the

130:31 | people.

130:36 | take a two week vacation.

130:49 | Yep. You want both papers?

130:51 | Paper. Yes, please. There's a couple

130:54 | pages.

130:55 | Oh, all the paper.

130:56 | Was there any issues with 140 bond or

130:58 | that one's good to sign as well?

131:02 | Um,

131:08 | they have to review it and then Is that

131:10 | just an ANR? It's an ANR, but you should

131:12 | look it over.

131:14 | But there's no issues with it.

131:16 | Yep.

131:25 | Just create one.

131:28 | Another

131:32 | one for your review and then signature

131:35 | after a vote.

131:42 | This is blind.

131:43 | Yep.

131:44 | Y

131:53 | it really is good to move around.

131:56 | Yeah.

131:58 | I've already taken the record for the

132:00 | longest one I've had in East Hampton,

132:02 | but that's cuz they adjourned at 8:30

132:03 | whether there was stuff left on the

132:05 | agenda or not.

132:06 | I think we've had till 11 before I

132:08 | think.

132:09 | Yep. They said wishing you arrived.

132:12 | We did 11 before. So

132:14 | yeah, we had 11 before, but

132:16 | that was rare.

132:17 | Well, you ever had to stop and then be

132:18 | continue like a town meeting and they

132:21 | had to do that?

132:24 | Yeah.

132:26 | So, they're just breaking this lot up.

132:50 | Three papers, one by.

132:53 | Yeah, perfect. Thank you.

133:04 | Did I miss the signature?

133:25 | anything.

133:28 | We got all the stuff.

133:29 | Yeah, just the boat, right? Yeah.

133:38 | You guys have one job.

133:45 | I'm the only one that's got retire on

133:46 | this one. I like the I feel like the

133:48 | baby

133:50 | [cough and clears throat]

133:51 | You can vote on that an

134:29 | Y no comments from uh the building

134:32 | office on this

134:36 | 75act.

134:40 | 140 and 34 and check.

134:44 | Exactly. Because you're not going to

134:45 | spare one.

134:46 | Not in

134:57 | make motion to accept the ANR for uh 140

135:01 | Bond road rear builders.

135:04 | A second

135:05 | for a motion. I'm sorry.

135:08 | It's good night. Hi. Hi.

135:16 | It's weird to have like an easy one.

135:18 | We've been getting like these crazy

135:20 | ones.

135:26 | [clears throat]

136:21 | going through here.

136:35 | chocolate.

137:05 | the extension. We have an extension

137:07 | request when they when they

137:09 | [clears throat] want what is the they

137:11 | have they have a letter to us.

137:12 | I have the pre-len letter here. So it's

137:15 | uh dear Mr. Miss Miss Given, at the July

137:19 | 15th, 2026 Charlton Planning Board

137:21 | meeting, the board reviewed your

137:22 | attached request dated July 1 to extend

137:25 | the approval period for your North Serge

137:27 | Road reduced project special permit um

137:31 | to extend that uh plan approval period

137:34 | uh of one year to July 17th, 2027. Um

137:39 | yeah, they make a request.

137:42 | Make a motion we extend the given down

137:45 | in North Nage Roadage lot to July 17th,

137:50 | 20 27th. Second.

137:53 | All in favor?

137:54 | I I

137:55 | I

137:59 | approved. Um, we have a uh a lot release

138:06 | a 61D lot release from St. Mark.

138:11 | I [clears throat] make motion that the

138:12 | pending board recommends board action.

138:16 | Second motion.

138:18 | All in favor?

138:19 | I

138:19 | I

138:25 | unknown business at time posted.

138:27 | Yeah, I'll just give you guys some

138:29 | updates here. number one. Uh just kind

138:31 | of jumping into this meeting to see how

138:33 | you guys run business. One quick lesson

138:36 | learned here. I'll make sure to have

138:37 | Graves packages printed out and ready

138:40 | for you every meeting. Uh in terms of

138:43 | getting information out to you uh for

138:45 | the time being going forward, I'm just

138:47 | going to as it's received send it out.

138:49 | Um

138:51 | as I kind of get a little bit of a

138:53 | better feel for applicants kind of

138:54 | what's needed.

138:55 | Okay. I may try to organize it better so

138:57 | I'm not just you're not just constantly

138:59 | getting emails from me. That way be a

139:01 | little more organized, but just expect

139:04 | emails coming out for

139:06 | um

139:06 | we do have we do have a share drive.

139:08 | Okay.

139:09 | If you can you're more than welcome to

139:10 | get in there and organize that and and

139:13 | post things to specific meetings that

139:15 | would be nice to have. Then then we can

139:16 | always look back

139:18 | on a specific date and and what was what

139:20 | was

139:22 | uh Hey there. If you bear with me as I'm

139:25 | development, I'm [clears throat] just

139:25 | gonna pull this up here. I'm going to

139:27 | show you and format here. I can totally

139:32 | willing to work on

139:35 | this so much at this hour, but let's

139:37 | see. [laughter]

139:49 | Are you connected?

139:50 | I'm about to be.

139:52 | [clears throat and cough]

139:53 | go through Windows here and it's a

139:55 | little slower than I would like.

139:56 | Remember when we got this TV and it was

139:58 | so much cheaper to just go buy a brand

140:00 | new TV than wanted a smart

140:05 | get it and then we're like, "Oh, why

140:06 | don't just get a TV?"

140:08 | Well, I uh don't get to navigate this at

140:11 | this hour. So, I'm going to show you all

140:12 | here on my computer. Okay, pretty

140:15 | simple. Um, so [clears throat]

140:24 | what I'm going to be doing here,

140:27 | um, I may try to make this a little

140:29 | clearer, but the idea is as I receive

140:31 | materials, post them directly to the

140:34 | website, right at this top link here.

140:36 | The idea is

140:41 | try to organ organize everything by

140:44 | year.

140:46 | This is this is a public page here.

140:48 | Yeah, this is a public page.

140:50 | I'm getting network errors here. Kind of

140:53 | isn't displaying it. But right now,

140:55 | what's in here is we have uh what's the

140:59 | name of that project for for next week

141:01 | for the next meeting?

141:02 | Yeah, those two new ones that came on.

141:05 | We have

141:06 | we have two projects in here. I'm going

141:08 | to figure out what's going on with the

141:09 | website, why it's not loading the moment

141:11 | I care to show somebody what's happening

141:13 | with it.

141:13 | But for the next

141:16 | it'll be all submitted materials and I

141:17 | plan on organizing in such a way with

141:20 | between each meeting everything that was

141:21 | submitted both from uh engineering

141:24 | reports uh

141:25 | resubmitting

141:26 | years ago. We were submitting we were

141:29 | making sure that every you know all the

141:30 | site plans because it just it's so much

141:32 | easier for the you know for the public

141:34 | to access to be able to see what we're

141:36 | looking at

141:36 | for big projects. Yeah.

141:38 | You know for and we we always can

141:42 | request everything anything electronic

141:44 | from you know most most of NGOs do their

141:46 | stuff on on

141:49 | so here here you are. I have this one

141:50 | here. This is going to be 123 Worcester

141:52 | Road. The initial submission and this is

141:55 | everything I've received from the

141:56 | applicant. So we have you know the the

141:59 | application here

142:02 | you can see all that. Um so as I receive

142:06 | any new applications I'm getting in I'm

142:08 | requesting electronic that way I can

142:10 | also just upload them here.

142:12 | I'm open to

142:14 | different formats but this is the

142:16 | general idea.

142:17 | Okay.

142:18 | The big thing is naming conventions. So

142:21 | um what is

142:22 | SPR 26? That is just how we're titling

142:27 | our special permit.

142:29 | Special permit

142:29 | 2026 and then it's the second one for

142:32 | this fiscal year. I may I'm not married

142:36 | to this naming convention. That's just

142:38 | what I've inherited and I'm likely going

142:40 | to change it to something a little

142:41 | clearer.

142:42 | The address and owner's name. It's kind

142:46 | of handy to put on there or maybe just

142:48 | an address. I mean

142:50 | Yep. and it has the address immediately

142:52 | after but it's going to have a standard

142:54 | that way it's always ordered by when it

142:57 | was submitted.

142:58 | Um

142:59 | I like that. That's what we do in work

143:00 | because it's the only way.

143:02 | Exactly. And then you can keep adding to

143:03 | it.

143:04 | And do we do we keep this on the only

143:06 | the only thing that concerns me about

143:08 | having a public

143:10 | website is everything's searchable from

143:13 | any Google document anywhere. So, you

143:17 | know, so this is and I'll just sorry to

143:20 | cut you off. I just I just I've

143:21 | experienced a problem. I know you're

143:22 | you're about to say where I've gotten

143:24 | requests. You know, Google my name comes

143:25 | up and my address.

143:26 | Uh we do have discretion of just when I

143:29 | see something that's like

143:30 | public names, people's things. I'll

143:32 | generally black out cell phone numbers

143:34 | of developers. If somebody wants that,

143:36 | they can submit a public records request

143:38 | and we can give it to them. But it just

143:40 | makes it that it's not immediately

143:41 | available. I think that I mean we I

143:45 | I mean permits I guess I I think plans

143:48 | need to go up like you know

143:50 | plans and some information.

143:52 | Um I mean I don't know even I mean

143:55 | typically we don't put

143:57 | um our graves reports up there.

144:00 | That's so sure that's true.

144:02 | I don't know.

144:02 | So that that kind of stuff is is what

144:04 | we've been using the share drive for. So

144:06 | it's it's only [clears throat]

144:06 | accessible by you control the access to

144:09 | it. So it's only accessed by members. I

144:11 | mean, I don't know if there's anything

144:12 | ever anything ever confidential. Um, and

144:15 | I'm I'm all for um, you know, public

144:17 | access. Yep.

144:18 | Um, I just always worry about having too

144:21 | many versions of too much data out there

144:24 | and the cost of sharing because I'm

144:26 | auditing that right now. Um, so it's um,

144:31 | I'm more worried about providing client

144:33 | data to the worldwide web for any search

144:35 | engine anywhere that wants to, you know,

144:38 | mine data. I prefer with name statuses.

144:42 | I prefer to have [clears throat]

144:44 | you know uh enough information out there

144:47 | on what the planning board is doing so

144:49 | people can know then they can come to us

144:52 | to get more information. That's that's

144:54 | kind of I'd like to kind of firewall

144:56 | that stuff.

144:57 | Yeah. I just don't wait. I just

144:59 | they with AI now search engines going

145:01 | out there and everything's

145:03 | like fall under what like I mean I've

145:05 | never looked at uh you know what we f

145:08 | you know we have all this data

145:09 | [clears throat] the data protections we

145:11 | have around names and addresses and

145:12 | phone numbers are a big deal. Mhm.

145:15 | Um,

145:17 | so I think projects uh that kind of

145:19 | information can go on what we would

145:21 | normally put on our public site, but for

145:25 | grave reports and engineering reports

145:27 | and things like that, I think we're

145:28 | better off firewalling that providing

145:32 | access here for people that want to been

145:33 | here, but not providing all that data

145:36 | out to

145:37 | and it's for exactly what you said

145:38 | because you're going to have bots going,

145:39 | you know, you're going to have just it

145:41 | it collected for for whatever purpose

145:44 | purpose that um

145:45 | well, it's just like what we did tonight

145:47 | with the gas station.

145:49 | Yep.

145:49 | You can't put all the information out

145:50 | there about everybody's name and stuff.

145:54 | So, that's just that's my concern with

145:56 | with with doing it on the publication.

145:58 | Mhm. And I can I can just put a note of

146:01 | so specifically something like if you'd

146:03 | like engineer

146:04 | if you want more information contact

146:06 | please email

146:07 | and honestly typically if somebody asks

146:09 | me for something and makes a request

146:12 | I'll I'll mean I've given it to them

146:15 | like as they walk out of the meeting or

146:18 | I will email it to them directly and

146:20 | you'll find that most of the quest

146:22 | requests do come through right they

146:23 | people go right to the board member that

146:25 | they know and they ask for it. So, um

146:28 | I mean the only other thing just put the

146:30 | final uh

146:32 | final decision.

146:32 | Yeah, the final decision with conditions

146:35 | in it or something like that just so we

146:36 | know.

146:37 | I mean, Jane, the biggest request that

146:38 | people want to see are the plans, right?

146:39 | Like that's

146:41 | people want to know what's happening

146:43 | where

146:45 | I think it will be old

146:48 | a file that says decision and appendix

146:52 | that would have final plans

146:54 | and condition. Yeah, that's great.

146:56 | And I mean, all of this stuff is public

146:59 | information. So, is the owner, the

147:01 | street address, you know, so

147:03 | it's public information, but putting it

147:05 | out

147:05 | Yeah.

147:07 | out in the the worldwide web in that

147:09 | written form is a little hard. Slows

147:11 | them down a little bit.

147:12 | Could be um Yeah. Could be problematic.

147:15 | Yeah.

147:16 | Uh, I'll also be changing the format

147:19 | here a little bit of the agenda one, but

147:23 | make it easier for myself and the public

147:26 | of generally trying to keeping all the

147:28 | information that you need, name,

147:29 | address, all those things. Um, I also

147:32 | want to start including the general uh

147:35 | what bylaw it's being reviewed under.

147:38 | Uh, one that would help me just kind of

147:40 | get up to speed with what's in the

147:42 | bylaw. And then anytime any member of

147:44 | the public is interesting, well, how is

147:46 | this allowed?

147:47 | All the bylaws that are necessary are

147:50 | referenced and they can look that up.

147:53 | Um, and then decisions as well. I'm

147:57 | want to try to get that a little bit

147:59 | more industry standard where it would

148:01 | be, you know, [clears throat] you have

148:03 | basic information, then you have legal

148:06 | description, procedural history, and

148:08 | then you go right into waiverss,

148:09 | conditions, anything like that. Sure.

148:14 | Try to make sure we're even in a

148:15 | position where we have, you know,

148:16 | defensible decisions because I think as

148:18 | we get to the point where, you know, we

148:20 | may have appeals come in, we want

148:22 | decisions to be

148:24 | covered any issues with decisions except

148:27 | for maybe BDD, but

148:30 | a big there's been quite a few. Yeah,

148:32 | you know, there's been a few here and

148:34 | there. And we also I mean we have legal

148:37 | counsel so whenever we need them they're

148:39 | always available for um question.

148:45 | So I'm just thinking about the the

148:48 | public facing website and then as Don

148:50 | mentioned we've got the shareepoint

148:52 | and it would be good to use the same

148:55 | naming convention I think. So in the the

148:58 | the SharePoint we have like meetings you

149:02 | know January, February, March

149:04 | and then I guess you could put you know

149:07 | SPR 26-34

149:10 | or something like that. Yeah.

149:12 | And then you could put all the graves or

149:14 | ports and all of that in there because

149:16 | you got to put them somewhere anyway.

149:19 | And you can talk to it about the the

149:21 | link to to the shareport. They can get

149:22 | your name on it if you probably have it

149:25 | or I could add you.

149:25 | Yeah. But that would be great because we

149:28 | haven't been doing that. That would be

149:29 | great to just stuff everything in the

149:31 | SharePoint. Otherwise, it just sits on a

149:34 | laptop somewhere. So yeah,

149:35 | and so you know um the town the we have

149:39 | our own sort of Facebook page that Dawn

149:42 | that Dawn created because we never um

149:44 | just just for communicating publicly

149:46 | just just and and and um and because a

149:52 | lot of a lot of old people now like

149:54 | that's where they get their true

149:57 | our information um spun around at least

150:00 | you know people talk but we our our

150:03 | children website

150:05 | actually actually the most um user

150:06 | friendly or nice looking or anything.

150:08 | But so good luck.

150:09 | I just got a message on the um

150:11 | complaining board asked us if you want

150:12 | to monetize it now because we've got

150:14 | enough followers.

150:15 | Is that right? You know, we can start

150:18 | monetizing and use that money.

150:20 | That whole 35 would be like,

150:22 | "Hey, I finally got that ESA postcard in

150:24 | the mail."

150:25 | I know. I saw that.

150:26 | Everybody did. [laughter]

150:28 | Yeah. Yeah.

150:32 | If we if we join Like I I want us to be

150:35 | more out there and pushing our pushing

150:38 | our stuff. I mean even if I don't know

150:40 | it might be

150:42 | nice to do little sort of like this is

150:45 | what happened. I've been reading some of

150:46 | the like short little posts or is that

150:49 | too much only because you have me on all

150:52 | the community. I mean you

150:54 | me everywhere on these community pages

150:56 | saying

150:58 | heads up this is happening. Heads up.

151:00 | Um, I usually post the agendas.

151:02 | Put a link to us in advance or

151:04 | something.

151:04 | Yeah,

151:05 | that's a good idea. If you're interested

151:07 | in what happened, here's a link to the

151:09 | YouTube. Watch the meeting.

151:11 | You could do a show at the studio and

151:13 | then I could put on YouTube also. You

151:14 | can do

151:14 | Oh, yeah. with with with Paty. Sit down.

151:18 | Yeah, right. That's what everybody

151:18 | wants.

151:19 | Sit down.

151:21 | We could have a sit down with our

151:23 | planning director and get his name up

151:25 | there.

151:25 | Who used to do that? We used to do those

151:27 | We used to do those interviews. Who used

151:29 | to do that?

151:29 | They used to select me used to do stuff

151:31 | like that. They would go over whatever

151:33 | the

151:33 | cooler than the select me. Oh yeah, it's

151:35 | not hard. But like we could be cooler

151:37 | than that.

151:37 | Dick.

151:40 | I I've got to get going. So um good.

151:44 | Is there anything else that

151:46 | all of you have? It's I've got the

151:47 | damage cell number. Shoot me a text

151:50 | anytime. Give me a call. Um

151:53 | if any of you guys want to meet private

151:55 | meetings, let me know. I'll make myself

151:57 | available. That's totally optional.

151:59 | If you got if you have questions on us,

152:01 | let us know.

152:01 | Yep. We'll do. Uh

152:03 | yeah, normally I'll be in here. I mean,

152:04 | the chair comes in earlier to kind of

152:06 | just so

152:08 | I have a clue. But any of us have a clue

152:10 | when we're when we're um

152:13 | it it's good to have uh any materials we

152:17 | might need for the meeting, plans, if

152:19 | they've got extra set of plans that we

152:21 | can look at instead of trying to oversee

152:23 | everybody. um bridge reports, any other

152:26 | reports from from the engineering

152:28 | reports just so we've got something to

152:29 | look at.

152:30 | Typically, everybody comes in a little

152:31 | early.

152:32 | And once again, if there's time to get

152:35 | those ahead of schedule onto the

152:37 | SharePoint, give us time to review it if

152:40 | we have time before we get because

152:42 | trying to

152:43 | go through everything and stuff. So,

152:44 | it's

152:45 | sometimes trying to print them out on

152:47 | the fly. Yeah,

152:48 | a lot of times you a lot of times they

152:49 | give them to you so last minute too that

152:52 | I know that's not

152:52 | but if they come in early stick for the

152:54 | meeting and and you know at our leisure

152:56 | we can we get a report. Do you have any

152:59 | vacation coming up or we need to know

153:01 | about it?

153:01 | Yes, I have one vacation um same time as

153:06 | Jane after our August meeting we are

153:08 | both out that

153:09 | um and then after that it's I'm I'm

153:12 | here.

153:14 | I'm I'm off I think several weeks in

153:17 | September. I might miss both meetings in

153:19 | September.

153:22 | Going someplace nice. Yellowstone.

153:25 | Wow.

153:27 | Very nice.

153:28 | Buying another trailer and driving out

153:30 | there.

153:31 | Flying this stuff. [laughter]

153:35 | Okay. Um I'll make a motion we

153:40 | second.

153:43 | Thank you, Dylan.