2026-10-27 - Athens in Motion

00:02live

00:05bronchitis. So,

00:07>> all right, everyone. Thank you for

00:08invitations. Um, this is the October

00:12meeting of the Athens emotion

00:14commission. Share my screen.

00:26Go ahead and do roll call. Lauren, Art

00:29>> here,

00:30>> Teresa,

00:31>> Ry's out sick, Alan

00:33>> here,

00:34>> Ed

00:34>> here,

00:35>> Lane

00:35>> here,

00:36>> Gabriella

00:37>> here,

00:38>> here.

00:40>> And Jason is

00:44here. Katie is here.

00:48Tina is here.

00:52Is here. Molly is here. Welcome.

00:55[clears throat]

00:56And I think Todd is here.

00:59I see him on there.

01:03Okay. Um

01:06before we Oops. I need to update our

01:09SL. That's um before we approve our

01:14agenda public comments.

01:18Daniel.

01:19>> Yes.

01:23>> Okay. You ready?

01:24>> Do no. [laughter] Okay.

01:26>> Uh,

01:29let me I believe I had two.

01:34>> Did you want me to read it?

01:35>> Yes, you can go ahead.

06:15We're not able to hear the audio. Y'all

06:18are talking on business items.

06:21>> Oh, how long have you not heard?

06:23>> I think the whole time.

06:25>> Um, yeah, I sent a message and I didn't

06:27I thought you

06:29>> ready.

06:31>> Okay. Well, let's just restart the

06:33meeting.

06:36>> [laughter]

06:37>> And yeah, and it's showing. Man, this is

06:42all right.

06:43>> What are we starting again?

06:45>> Showing my face

06:50>> there.

06:52>> Okay. So,

06:53>> yeah.

06:55Make sure.

06:57>> All right. So, testing

07:00now. You have Ken Harris?

07:02>> Yes.

07:03>> All right.

07:05Well,

07:06>> all right. Well, I think we'll we'll

07:08proceed.

07:08>> That was our practice.

07:09>> All we we've just um approved the

07:11minutes and approved the agenda.

07:14>> Um so, I think that we will carry on.

07:17>> Great.

07:18>> Yes. And um Daniel had not read the

07:21public comment yet, so we haven't.

07:24What's that?

07:25>> No, you [laughter] I could have

07:27pretended that I was prepared.

07:30>> All right, Daniel. Um yeah, so we have

07:33two public comments. One of them was um

07:35submitted through our website. Um the

07:38other one was just an email to me and

07:42they told me afterwards that they would

07:43like to have it entered as a public

07:45comment. So uh the first do I give name

07:49and email? We don't usually get these so

07:50I don't know how or do I give the name

07:53and address. Um this first comment is

07:56from Aubrey Smith at 365 Morton Avenue.

08:00um Athens.

08:03She said, "I would like to raise a

08:04safety concern about the bicycle

08:05infrastructure at the intersection of

08:07South Lumpin Street and Cedar Street.

08:09About two years ago, I was riding my

08:10ebike in the bike lane on South Lumpin

08:12Street and traveling straight through

08:13the intersection. When the light turned

08:15green, I began moving forward. I quickly

08:17noticed the car beside me was beginning

08:19to turn right across the bike lane

08:21directly into my path. I immediately

08:23stopped. I could not safely continue

08:25forward because that would have put me

08:26further into the bath path of the

08:28turning vehicle and I could not move

08:30backwards because I was on a downhill

08:31slope and my ebike was too heavy to

08:33quickly reverse. As I could all I could

08:35realistically do was break and stay

08:37where I was. The car continued turning

08:39and struck me while I was in the bike

08:40lane. Fortunately, because I stopped

08:42when I did, I was hit by the side of the

08:44vehicle rather than continuing farther

08:47into its path, which I believe could

08:49have resulted in a much more serious

08:50collision. I fell from my bike and

08:52suffered scrapes, bruising, and a neck

08:54strain. I was also especially fortunate

08:56in how I felt. I was wearing a helmet

08:57and I landed largely on my backpack,

08:59which helps helped absorb some of the

09:02impact. My injuries ended up being

09:03relatively minor, but I am very aware

09:05that the outcome could have been

09:06significantly worse if I had not been

09:08wearing a helmet, if I had fallen

09:10differently or if I had landed directly

09:11on the pavement without my backpack

09:13cushioning the fall. I reported the

09:15collision to police and the incident was

09:17captured on video and witnessed by

09:18multiple people. The vehicle left the

09:20scene afterwards. The experience left me

09:23concerned about the design of

09:24intersections where a bicycle lane

09:26continues straight while vehicles

09:27immediately beside the cyclist are

09:29permitted to turn right across that same

09:30space.

09:31>> I do not know whether the driver failed

09:33to see me, saw me too late, or misjudge

09:35where I was. That uncertainty is part of

09:37my concern. A safe intersection should

09:38not depend so heavily on a cyclist and a

09:41turning driver seeing and reacting to

09:44one another correctly within only a few

09:46seconds. I appreciate that Athens and UG

09:48have invested in bicycle infrastructure

09:50and I'm glad that bike lanes exist.

09:52However, I would encourage Athens

09:53emotion commission to examine

09:55intersections like South Lump Street and

09:56Cedar Street and consider designs that

09:58reduce conflicts between cyclists

10:00traveling straight and vehicles turning

10:02right. That could include better

10:04physical separation, protected

10:05intersection designs, improved

10:08visibility, changes to signal timing, or

10:10other measures that make cyclists

10:12clearly visible and keep them either

10:14ahead of, behind, or physically

10:16separated from turning vehicles. I was

10:18lucky. I was wearing a helmet. I I

10:21landed on my backpack, my injuries

10:22healed, and the collision could have

10:24been much worse. I would like my

10:26experience to be considered when future

10:28bicycle infrastructure and intersection

10:29improvements are planned so that another

10:31cyclist does not have to rely in the

10:33same situation.

10:35>> I don't want to spend too many time out.

10:38We're kind of running low on time, but a

10:40question I have for staff is

10:43>> given a couple things that this um

10:46intersection actually has probably the

10:49most

10:52it has the most as far as I know like

10:54bike friendly stuff that we have in

10:57Athens, you know, on the ground like

10:59we've got the green paint and stuff.

11:00what what are the potential next level

11:02things that could be done if you know

11:04what what's the best practices if if

11:07there weren't interest in upgrading this

11:08and that doesn't have to be something

11:10y'all answer today but I'm just curious

11:12what does the next phase upgrade look

11:13like given the experience this person

11:16had and the other thing is I know Cedar

11:18Street is UG owned and then Lumpin is GT

11:23>> ACC

11:24>> ACC okay so ACC okay

11:27um so

11:29But this is such a common problem. This

11:31is this happens all over the place. So

11:34I've had that same accident.

11:35>> That's how I've had that same accident

11:37at different place.

11:38>> It's right down the hill too at the

11:39taste center also.

11:41>> It's the same issue.

11:43>> Yeah. I mean one one solution that we

11:46have seen um is

11:49dedicated uh bike signal. So in that

11:53scenario, you would have a green light

11:55for bikes that would turn on with the

11:57pedestrians. you would still probably

11:59want to give a leading pedestrian

12:01interval. Um it allows the pedestrians

12:03to go first to get into the crosswalk

12:05and then the bikes can go and they can

12:07either turn right or straight. Um the

12:10issue with that is

12:14in the same way that like

12:16like they basically have to have

12:17dedicated signal timing. So when the

12:20light turns green for cars,

12:22[clears throat]

12:23the bike signal needs to be red.

12:27So, they haven't come up with a way that

12:30is like MUTCD compliant. That's the

12:32manual for uniform traffic control

12:34devices. Um, they haven't come up with a

12:36way to like have that be like a like in

12:39my mind as a user, it's like if you let

12:42the bicyclist go with the green, you

12:45have a green signal and everyone else is

12:47stopped, you give a few seconds to let

12:49them get started, to get out of the way,

12:51and then you could turn it to like a

12:52flashing yellow. And then that just kind

12:55of signals to the bicyclist like hey

12:56watch out the cars are also going

12:59>> right

13:00>> but there's a lot that goes into the way

13:03that engineers design these systems and

13:06um you know we don't have any duplicated

13:08bike signals in Athens right now but um

13:12they have been implemented for a while

13:13in some of these larger cities and

13:14they're already like at the conferences

13:16that I went to this past summer there

13:18was a lot of conversation around like

13:20what we could do. Um there are things

13:22you could do like you know and I mean I

13:25guess the question that you're kind of

13:27getting at is also like what can you do

13:29in a cost effective man because

13:32>> like you know

13:35>> the simplest thing are expensive

13:37>> everything to a roundabout right

13:39>> we only have so much real estate here

13:40>> right you know it's like we're not you

13:41know to protect the lanes you would

13:43really have to like widen

13:45>> one thing that I would love to see us

13:47try on one of these corridors is to take

13:50that verge that we have for the sidewalk

13:53and like move it so that it's sidewalk

13:57bike lane right next to each other um

14:00separated with a curb and then you have

14:03that verge separation between the bike

14:06and motor vehicle. Um but yeah, right

14:10now

14:12>> the the signal is like one way that that

14:14would be it. You know, it would be kind

14:16of like or you could become a pedestrian

14:18in that moment and if you have leading

14:20pedestrian interval at that location,

14:22you can walk your bike through.

14:25>> I worry about things like at the base of

14:27the hill because the same thing happens

14:28on College Station going on to research

14:31road. like if I'm coming down that hill

14:34like you know coming to a stop is

14:37challenging enough to also then

14:40>> be cognizant of whether somebody's going

14:42to turn right and I think about them

14:43lumpin as well at the base where

14:46>> so it's like one thing on this where at

14:47least it's flat but what do you do even

14:49with a signal like can you see the

14:51signal from far away enough to like slow

14:53down the bike

14:54>> and the other issue here it's also not

14:57just at intersections it's at driveways

15:01Like I got a [clears throat] when I sent

15:04this out to the end commission listerve

15:07pod wrote me a few days later and said I

15:10literally saw the same scenario happen

15:12just last year on South Lumpin. A

15:14student was on their escooter heading

15:16southbound when another student turned

15:18into the old Holiday in parking lot

15:20driveway for West Ray Street. The

15:22student on the E scooter toppled across

15:24the hood and of the car and slid off and

15:26landed on the pavement. Luckily they

15:27landed on their bottom. I don't think

15:29they got hurt too bad because they got

15:30up and started yelling at the driver.

15:33>> They probably didn't even file police.

15:35>> Yeah. And and I do know that there was a

15:37police report on the initial the one

15:39that he mentioned. Katie pulled up the

15:42police report. We we looked at that. Um

15:44so

15:46>> we know the I mean ultimately this is

15:48like right here motorist responsibility

15:50and I hope they were found and cited

15:52because that's it's hit and run too.

15:55That's serious.

15:55>> Yeah, it was definitely hit and run. Um

15:58I don't know of do we see that on the

16:02reports? Do we get to see if they were

16:04>> um yeah found

16:06>> usually.

16:06>> So [clears throat] the officer will say

16:09whether they tracked him down or whether

16:10they

16:13>> learn they can't do that. Um, okay. So,

16:16basically, oh, it says here that the

16:19officer

16:22um

16:24contacted the victim

16:27to det decide if she wanted to have a

16:29criminal investigation conducted or if

16:31she wanted to pursue any charges. I

16:34again tried contacting

16:36her them multiple times from October 9th

16:40to October 21st and left voicemails. I

16:44still have not heard a response back

16:45from her. Based on the above listed

16:47information, I consider the case to be

16:48inactive due to lack of response from

16:50the victim.

16:51>> So, it's the kind of thing where like

16:53the victim seems to like want to make

16:56charges and I've been super guilty of

16:58like, oh, it's an unknown number. I'm

17:01not going to, you know, answer that

17:03because everything's spam,

17:06>> you know. I don't know um in the context

17:08of like,

17:10>> you know, what happened beyond that, but

17:12um

17:13>> it's too bad. I mean, they took all this

17:14time to write the comment, but not to

17:15follow up with the police.

17:17>> Well, also you have to think about the

17:18energy that probably this person

17:19expended to find who Daniel is and to

17:22write this whole the whole narrative and

17:24so maybe they don't want to to do it

17:26again or they're caught up in other

17:28things. Um that Yeah, it is a little

17:30disappointing, but um I mean they have a

17:33public comment and they made it out of

17:35meeting and it's now on record.

17:37>> Yeah, and I appreciate that comment.

17:38>> What about the sign the signage though?

17:40I've seen some signs from around town

17:42that kind of show a turning vehicle or

17:44you know they watch for bicycle. I think

17:47there's some different colors on this

17:48signs or pops a little bit.

17:50>> Yeah, I was say the same thing on it.

17:52It's not a really great solution but but

17:55solidation going into East Campus

17:57there's one of these yield to bikes

18:00turning traffic yield to bikes and

18:03>> it works maybe half the time.

18:05>> Yeah. understanding I want to litter the

18:06entire road, every driveway and every

18:10>> ultimately know I think having more of

18:13those signs at at intersections would be

18:16helpful. Um I know like years ago TPW

18:22was directed to reduce sign clutter

18:24around Athens and so

18:26>> um

18:26>> campus too,

18:27>> you know, and on campus too. So it it

18:30becomes a really tricky it's like they

18:32want the regulatory signs that are

18:34mandatory. Um

18:36>> not much room there either. It's

18:38>> there isn't tight window.

18:39>> Yeah. It's just it's um and this was in

18:422024 that the crash happened and so you

18:45know this is a couple years ago. Um but

18:50um yeah, it's it there's definitely I

18:53think there's opportunities to improve

18:58and we're going to every year we go to a

19:00new conference, we're going to learn

19:01about some new

19:02>> okay

19:03>> recommendation

19:05and unfortunately it gets into like oh

19:08we we addressed this intersection like

19:10five years ago but like we have other

19:14intersections that are worse but you

19:16know so can we carry step forward into

19:18that. Is there something we can do here

19:20specifically? Sorry, Gabriel.

19:22>> I just did a quick Google search for

19:23solutions for bic bicyclists being hit

19:26by cars not yielding and bike boxes are

19:29something that I guess was suggesting.

19:32>> We have to say it looks like there's one

19:34right there, right?

19:35>> Yeah. Well, and and specifically, well,

19:37this is those are two-stage turn cues,

19:41>> not bike boxes.

19:42>> Okay. Yeah. So, in the case of if we so

19:45like she could have but like the signage

19:48is not clear here. Um she could have

19:50pulled forward into that two-stage turn

19:52queue because that functions as a bike

19:54box.

19:55>> Okay.

19:55>> And then she would have been placed in

19:56front of the driver.

19:59>> Um and this gets into when we install

20:04new infrastructure, new markings that

20:06people are not used to seeing. teach

20:08them.

20:08>> What can we do to educate people?

20:11>> Box

20:13is that green paint

20:16>> painted area. Yeah. If

20:16>> you've ever seen like a bike lane that

20:19like goes to an intersection and then

20:21there's a big box in front of cars.

20:23>> It allows like you're coming up on the

20:26red light and the cars have to stop at

20:29the first stop bar which is the furthest

20:32one away and then that whole green area

20:34can be used by bikes to get in front

20:37>> in front be visible. And I'd seen that I

20:40was unaware of the purpose. Thank you.

20:41>> Yeah.

20:41>> But yeah,

20:43>> I also didn't know until this little

20:44moment that I Googled it.

20:47>> Um

20:48>> question.

20:49>> Okay. Tina has her hand up.

20:50>> Yeah, Tina. What's up?

20:51>> Um but the comment did it say it was

20:53from Cedar turning right onto South Lump

20:57I mean to Lumpin?

20:59>> It was

21:04looking back at it.

21:09Because if that's the case, then they

21:11would have to No,

21:12>> it was Lumpin onto Cedar.

21:14>> Lumpin onto Cedar.

21:15>> Oh, yeah.

21:16>> Well, she was she was she was on South

21:19Lumpin. The car was turning from Lumpkin

21:22onto Cedar.

21:24So,

21:25>> so she's going straight and the car is

21:27turning.

21:27>> Yeah. So, she was going straight in the

21:29bike lane.

21:31Um, and the car was turning right and

21:33the car and basically they both got the

21:35green light at the same time and the car

21:37didn't see her sitting to the right of

21:40them.

21:41>> Mhm.

21:42>> And so, you know, and like again,

21:46I don't like that there's so much

21:48responsibility on the bicyclists in

21:50these types of situations. The most

21:52helpful thing is to like if you're

21:55riding a bike, like make eye contact

21:57with the driver.

21:58>> You're supposed

21:59behind you.

22:02And it's like

22:03>> the driver.

22:05>> I mean, if you're next to them, like it

22:07like try to make yourself visible. Like

22:08you're not supposed to do anything. Like

22:10you're supposed to be able to follow the

22:13rules of the road and trust that other

22:14people will too.

22:16Well, the markings here in this

22:17intersections are a little confusing

22:19because I feel like I usually see the uh

22:21bike box

22:23um behind the stop bar or in front of

22:26the stop bar and but these the bike box

22:29is in well is parallel to the crosswalk.

22:33>> Mhm.

22:34>> So I guess it would be confusing for the

22:36cyclist in this situation to have

22:37understood because the arrow is

22:41>> not

22:43is a little confusing. Yeah, it it it

22:45and it's when I first came into this

22:49role, these were installed within six

22:51months of me starting this position and

22:55we got a lot of feedback and I think we

22:57actually redesigned the striping because

23:00we found that it wasn't designed like it

23:03it it should have been reviewed a little

23:06more. Um,

23:08so we actually redesigned this, but then

23:12there was no money to take that design

23:14and implement it.

23:16>> Oh.

23:16>> So we still have a design for redoing

23:20these

23:22because you're right. I mean, basically,

23:24you're kind of putting yourself in

23:26danger if you actually sit in that

23:28two-stage turn queue because it is in

23:30the path of crossing vehicles.

23:32So

23:33>> exactly. It's it's like it's a rough

23:36intersection and it's also one of our

23:39higher volume for active transportation

23:42because it's on campus. Right. Okay. So,

23:46we're have to move on here. But if you

23:48know whatever ideas, whatever the next

23:51the next phase of this intersection and

23:52others could look like, we're curious

23:54about understanding that we're not

23:56trying to commit to anything. But I am

23:58curious since again this does have

24:01pretty much has the green.

24:04You know,

24:04>> I said that kind of a theoretical

24:06framework. Um well, first you could

24:07check Knackto for protected

24:09intersections,

24:10but theoretically the way to have a good

24:12bike network is you either have um

24:15physical protection throughout the whole

24:17corridor and the intersection. So that's

24:19what you can see on the active there are

24:20little curves at the corners. So for a

24:23car to turn right, they have to go so

24:25that they're almost perpendicular to the

24:27bike lane and they can see them coming.

24:29So that's the full protected

24:30intersection that you need a lot of

24:32rightway for. And the other acceptable

24:35infrastructure is um a street that's

24:38traffic calmed enough so that the cars

24:39and bikes are going about the same

24:40speed.

24:42>> So both of those are very difficult in

24:44this context. But um I find it useful to

24:48have those two ideals in mind.

24:52My last plug, I know we got to move on.

24:54Um would be maybe providing some

24:56defensive bicycling strategies in terms

24:59of like we could put on some kind of

25:02event for maybe at least a little bit

25:06more of a defensive cyclist.

25:09Not that I think it should be our

25:10responsibility, but it is something like

25:12for people to understand how to use

25:14these things and some kind of outreach

25:16to them.

25:19I mean there's like UG has programming

25:23like I think it's part of orientation

25:25right to um how to like exist on campus

25:31walking and driving and

25:33>> it's a general overview safety to 18

25:36year olds coming in

25:38>> to campus that there's a lot going on

25:41>> pedestrian yeah

25:44>> a lot about

25:45>> that people bike and they need to watch

25:47out for bikes

25:48I don't know if it's specifically

25:50>> and there's no interest in not having a

25:53carfree freshman

25:57>> there's a lot

25:59that

26:01>> some folks for some folks

26:03>> there's a lot

26:06>> and and we don't know the age of the

26:08driver who turned into this person could

26:11could be anybody um but yes that's

26:14another thing is you know infrastructure

26:16education

26:17outreach.

26:19Um what what other things can be done?

26:23Um and those you know we as a commission

26:26we can't build infrastructure we can

26:28make recommendations but these are

26:30outreach and education are things we can

26:32help with and we have been part of like

26:34we do watch for dogs like Teresa set us

26:37up with tableabling for that event again

26:39this year. Um, so if there's an interest

26:43in doing more outreach or education and

26:45things like that that we can help with,

26:47um, do that.

26:50>> One one thing I mean,

26:52because I I kind of forgot that we had

26:55plans that never got realized.

26:59>> You tell me. But we could potentially if

27:02y'all wanted to recommend

27:04the installation of those plans or at

27:07least we could discuss them at the next

27:08one. We can look and see what the

27:10differences are. Um I can dig those out

27:13and then if that's something that y'all

27:15would want to recommend for

27:16installation, we could we could seek

27:19that out to see

27:21what it would cost to redo the striping

27:24here. There were definitely improvements

27:27on the entirety of Lumpkin

27:29[clears throat]

27:29that we were like, well, 80% 90% of this

27:35is great and there's these changes that

27:37we would make. I think one of them was

27:39like the bike lane as you approach Rod

27:41Street. Um, it just like wasn't

27:44protected enough. Transit vehicles were

27:45kind of pulling across the bike lane

27:47while the bikes go straight. Um there

27:50was there's a few different things that

27:52we changed and I think even adding in

27:55zippers was one thing we had we expect

27:57for zippers to be added into the

27:58buffered areas. um if that's something

28:02you know basically the public comments

28:03like hey please consider intersections

28:06like this and if we wanted to actually

28:08review those plans at the next meeting

28:11and recommend installation of that then

28:13we can put that forward to mayor and

28:15commission to see if they're willing to

28:17put funds for it

28:19>> I'd like to see the plan

28:21>> I'd like to say I mean if we're talking

28:23about just this intersection or not I'd

28:24like to look at the data specifically

28:26with this intersection I know we have an

28:27accident here and it's bad and I'm

28:29>> but I I want to we have a lot more

28:31infrastructure here than other places.

28:33>> True.

28:33>> So I think I want to let's let's look at

28:35where we should we should look at where

28:38it's most need in terms of actual

28:39accidents collisions.

28:40>> Well, but just I guess I I would prefer

28:43to see what what the ideas are and then

28:46you know we can decide whether that to

28:48to recommend moving forward or not. So

28:50next time not not now.

28:53It would be I'd be just curious and

28:54there are a lot of intersections like

28:56this that presumably it could be

28:57translated to if but not to say that it

29:01would jump the priority but just learn

29:04what it is. Maybe if if y'all want we

29:08can block out more time in the next

29:10agenda to review those to look at the

29:15we can find some sort of we can look at

29:17the intersection crashes

29:20um and we could just discuss it more. I

29:24think in this particular situation it's

29:27like because the plans are made you know

29:29that like we've already spent money on

29:31the plans they exist. it. I'm curious if

29:35there is like some way that we could,

29:37you know, even instead of having to go

29:39through an RFP process, but like get a

29:42state contractor. Um, that's something

29:44we tried with Prince Avenue that soon.

29:48Um, there is one more public comment.

29:50Um, is that So, you'all want to block

29:52out some time next time talk about this

29:54more and we can. Okay.

29:58>> Yeah. Cool.

30:00All right. Yeah. Next comment.

30:03Next comment was

30:10this one led us to an interesting

30:11discussion. All right, so this comment

30:14was um from Kevin Van Vorn. Sorry if I

30:18mispronounced that. Um,

30:22I don't have his address, but uh, he

30:26said, "I wanted to reach out to let you

30:27know that on Thursday, October 8th, my

30:29neighbor Richard Boyd was riding down

30:31Baxter Street on his ebike and had a

30:32serious accident. He suffered a terrible

30:35fall and broke several bones, including

30:36some in his face. He was rushed to Grady

30:39in Atlanta in serious condition. Out of

30:42respect for him and his wife, I haven't

30:44followed up regarding if he is home or

30:46not. The information I've gotten so far

30:47is that we don't know if a car crowded

30:49him on the bike lane and he hit one of

30:51the deep storm drains or if he just

30:53simply fell from debris or just

30:55accidentally hit the storm train. Not

30:57remember the fall at all. I wanted to

30:59pass along I wanted to pass this along

31:02to you as I myself do not travel on

31:04Baxter for this very reason. Our traffic

31:07is incredibly fast and for fear of

31:08hitting

31:10>> and for fear of hitting one of these

31:11storm drains. I fear crashes like this

31:13mostly go unreported to the right

31:15people. So, I want to reach out to you.

31:16Let me know if I should reach out to

31:17anyone else regarding his bike accident.

31:20>> As somebody lived on Baxter for 12

31:22years, rode my bike. Those storm drain

31:24are those recess drains are immense.

31:27>> They're awful.

31:28>> These are as bad as they get on Baxter.

31:31They're horrible.

31:32>> They're awful.

31:32>> And we've done a walk on it along here.

31:34We've had that conversation with staff

31:36about um

31:38>> working together. Um I think that we're

31:40trying to avoid that in the future, but

31:41I don't want to I don't want to spend

31:42too much time on the speculating. Did

31:44has this shown up in a crash report?

31:46>> So,

31:47>> that's interesting. Yeah. Um, we

31:49actually ran into the responding officer

31:51the next day. Um, and it did not show up

31:54on a crash report. It became an injured

31:56person report. So, I actually don't have

31:59access to it through the G dot portal.

32:02So, that we're starting a conversation

32:03about this this um the officer said it

32:07was uh operator error instead of a

32:10roadway issue of a driver issue. So,

32:14I really don't understand why it's not

32:16in the usual crash repository, but um

32:20>> yeah, I mean, basically, if a vehicle is

32:22involved, then it gets a crash report.

32:24And from what we could tell, because I

32:26even was like, what happens if a

32:28bicyclist hits a pedestrian?

32:31And it's I I don't remember exactly what

32:34his answer was and it's probably not

32:36like the official answer, but like that

32:38I think would likely get reported as an

32:40injured person report, which

32:41>> bicycles are vehicles control.

32:44I'm just saying that through the police

32:47department's like process of of dealing

32:50with incidents, like if if there's like

32:54gunfire and someone gets injured from a

32:56gunshot, that is the same form that they

32:58fill out for if you're on a bicycle and

33:00you crash and break some bones.

33:03>> Bet this could be up to discretion.

33:05Well, not discretion, but I bet it's how

33:07it's filed by the police officer. They

33:09may not understand that a bike

33:11>> is a vehicle.

33:12>> Yeah,

33:12>> I bet. I'm just speculating on that, but

33:14>> and it led to some other conversations

33:16where I remember, you know, I was I was

33:18doing the report for the Firefly Trail

33:20Audit and there was a bicyclist that was

33:22hit by a jump truck and I looked in New

33:26Metrics, the the portal for that G do

33:28provides and the crash was not in there

33:30and I went and Katie was able to find it

33:33in Gears and turns out it was considered

33:38private property. Even though it was on

33:40a public trail,

33:42>> it wasn't in the roadways. The officer

33:43reported it as a private property crash.

33:45And the way that G doers,

33:48>> they process all of the crash data for

33:50the whole state. One of the first things

33:52they do is eliminate private property

33:53crashes.

33:54>> Yeah. And also, yeah,

33:56>> it really gets into like how accurate is

33:58the data and like how much effort do we

34:00want to put into,

34:02you know, getting to the accuracy of the

34:04data. Um because I mean ultimately any

34:08anyone can look at the storm trains on

34:10Baxter and know that's an issue, right?

34:12>> But the crash history doesn't support

34:14it. But now we find out that it might

34:16not support it because how many injured

34:18persons reports were filed because a

34:20bicyclist hit it and vehicle wasn't

34:22involved?

34:22>> No.

34:23>> Right. These are great questions to ask.

34:26So y'all are talking with the

34:30um ACCD.

34:32>> Yes. Yes.

34:34you know, there's there's there's always

34:35like ongoing communication there and,

34:37you know, trying to um they show up for

34:39all of our safety audits and um they've

34:41been really responsive. This latest uh

34:44kind of coordination,

34:46um

34:47>> there was there were some staff changes

34:49where the staff person that no longer

34:51works there, uh they were the ones who

34:53were sending us the significant incident

34:54reports. Um and they they don't work

34:58there anymore and no one knew that that

35:00was part of their job. And so we stopped

35:02receiving fatal and serious injury crash

35:05reports through email. So now that's

35:07been kind of set back. It's more

35:09official. It's like written down

35:10somewhere. And um but even then in the

35:14writing they said vehicle involved.

35:17And so I want to make sure um we're

35:20really trying to there's only so much we

35:21can do from the transportation

35:22department, you know, but we do want to

35:25make sure that all the stuff is getting

35:26captured. So the the conversations are

35:29ongoing. Um, you know, even if it means

35:32that we're just going to have to dig

35:33into a different data source, you know,

35:35digging through the incident reports,

35:38uh, injured person report versus crash

35:41reports. Um, we we'll try to figure that

35:43out.

35:45>> Yeah.

35:45>> But yeah.

35:47>> All right. Yeah. Um, glad we're having

35:49this conversation. Thank you.

35:52All right. Um,

35:55moving on.

35:57Um some real quick well let me go

36:00through these really quick um updates

36:03and come back to the dashboard

36:05presentation

36:06um if that's okay with y'all. Just want

36:09to breeze through them. The Athens

36:10emotion plan it passed. Um thank you

36:13everyone who was able to reach out and

36:15talk with commissioners. I think that

36:17that is um the best strategy forward.

36:20there's no shortcuts to building

36:21relationships with our elected

36:23officials. And um so let's keep that in

36:26mind and let's continue to work on those

36:29relationships um before we have

36:32something else to bring before them.

36:36Um so in the coming year that can be

36:38something that we do and we'll talk

36:40about our plans for next year um

36:44shortly.

36:46But thank y'all. It did pass. It was

36:48unanimous for all the commissioners in

36:50attendance and we'll have a new crop of

36:52commissioners

36:53being sworn in and a new mayor. So,

36:55we'll need to work on those

36:57relationships.

36:58>> Um, but thank y'all. Great job.

37:02>> And it it looks great.

37:04>> Yeah.

37:05>> Yeah. Um, Daniel, any updates on the

37:08ordinance

37:10for a Okay. And I just wanted to make a

37:14note that um the UG health promotion and

37:18behavior traffic safety research and

37:19evaluation group has a final report on

37:23um improving ebike safety

37:26and their grant has been extended. Um I

37:28have reached out to see if they would be

37:30interested in giving us a presentation

37:32early next year and they're interested

37:34in coordinating something. Does that

37:36sound good to y'all if we have them come

37:38talk to us? Yeah, I think the short

37:40version is like there's there's issues

37:43that aren't really specific to the

37:45vehicle being ebike. It's like

37:47infrastructure issues abound and they

37:49also affect the ebikes, but we'll get um

37:52some more detailed information from them

37:54and they've been digging through police

37:56reports and also found some shortcomings

37:59and in those and that data so that

38:04um yeah, so I'll work on getting them

38:06out here if that sounds good to y'all.

38:10>> Great. There's also um the APB uh I

38:14joined the policy committee the last

38:16couple months and they have like a

38:19statement that they put out um I think

38:21it's either draft or it's official but

38:23it's regarding ebikes and e-otos and so

38:26really getting into like that kind of

38:29you know nationwide look at you know

38:33establishing what is an ebike versus

38:35what is an emoto

38:37>> and um kind of helping distinguish that

38:39it. So hopefully as more policies and

38:42stuff get developed, they're not just

38:43targeting everything.

38:45>> Yeah.

38:45>> Um so

38:47>> I guess I I've said this once before,

38:49but just for the record, I I think that

38:51it's misplaced to categorize things

38:55[snorts] separately as a as as you know,

38:58this kind of thing, that kind of thing,

38:59different classes of Bike. And I think

39:01that it should really be focused on the

39:03speed that the that it's traveling.

39:06>> That's kind of what their statement

39:07says. It's like the issue is speed. You

39:09know, you can have whatever all of these

39:11things. If your bike is going, you know,

39:1330 or 40 miles an hour, even if it's a

39:16humanpowered bike, you know, fast fast

39:18tour to France down down a hill, that's

39:21dangerous for for the rider and for

39:24pedestrians and other people. But I

39:27think it's just the speed limit they've

39:29got. Well, and that gets tricky though

39:31because then you turn into I mean even

39:34just I was talking to Christine uh this

39:37weekend and uh she's with leisure

39:40services over the trails and she said

39:42last week she saw a moped on the

39:45greenway and

39:46>> well they're there every day.

39:48>> He you know he came up on her and she

39:50happened to be there and she stopped him

39:52and he was like I know I'm not supposed

39:53to be here but it's a cut

39:55>> shortcut

39:56>> I think it's scooter.

39:57>> No no no moped. So then it turns into if

40:01you're going to allow E-Mottos, which

40:03are, you know, no pedal, you know,

40:05throttle engaged, and and it's a speed

40:07limit issue, well then what if it's a

40:10moped? What if it's gas? Who cares? You

40:11know,

40:12>> um what does it matter whether it's

40:14pedaling or not pedaling, whether it's

40:16totally whether it's gasoline powered,

40:19whether they're they're moving their

40:21body or not. If they're going under a

40:24certain speed limit, why can't they just

40:27be on there? Why do we have to say?

40:29Well, we're pedaling, so you have to

40:30pedal.

40:31>> I mean, I don't think we should allow

40:32gas. I don't think we should. Even in

40:34slow, I don't think we should allow gas

40:35power.

40:36>> I agree. The noise.

40:39>> Okay, let's um the may not be there, but

40:42I don't think I want

40:43>> It's It's placing a vehicle in a space

40:45that is supposed to be safe for

40:47>> going 15 miles an hour or less. Our

40:50speed limit. I don't I don't

40:52>> I think um I'd love to have like an

40:54extended discussion about this and maybe

40:56the time for that can be when we have um

41:00the UG folks come in because they've

41:02been collecting a lot of data and have

41:03done a ton of interviews across the

41:06community and I think um having us all

41:09in the same room could be really helpful

41:10along with staff, you know. Um so I'd

41:14like to to do that. Um

41:18but yeah, so I'm going to go ahead and

41:19move us on I can't resist adding one

41:22final comment to that and that is

41:25>> I have I have seen an Athens Clark

41:27County police officer on a

41:28Harley-Davidson Greenway.

41:32>> Now presumably he had very good reasons

41:34for doing

41:34>> let's hope.

41:36>> Presumably.

41:38>> All right. Um some of us attended the go

41:40Georgia bikew walk live summit. Art, you

41:43were there. Um I know Daniel and staff,

41:46y'all were there. I don't think we had

41:47anyone else here beside here for just a

41:49minute.

41:50>> Um, if y'all have any

41:53if you have any quick takeaways or if

41:55you're like I would like to give a

41:57presentation or share something in a

41:59future meeting, please let us know. Um,

42:04but yeah,

42:05>> or what

42:06>> if you have any takeaways or something

42:08like, oh, I saw this great presentation.

42:10I'm interested in it. I want to,

42:12>> you know, my takeaway was just purely I

42:15felt good that there were so many people

42:17around the state that that wanted the

42:19same kind of things as as I did. So, it

42:22felt like community and growing the

42:24community bigger, which was really nice.

42:26>> It's incredibly validating.

42:28>> Yeah.

42:30>> Okay. Um, so where we are in the agenda

42:34is um have a crash dashboard

42:37presentation and then

42:40um we'll have a transit update. Tina,

42:43are you still good because I know we're

42:44a little bit behind schedule.

42:47>> Yeah, I'll probably just have to hop off

42:49afterwards, but good on my end.

42:50>> Okay. All right. Thank you for your

42:52patience. I'm sorry about that.

42:55>> You're good.

42:58>> Okay. Crash dashboard. We call it the

43:00crash board.

43:01>> The crash board.

43:02>> Yeah. I mean I know I'm like [laughter]

43:04>> Yeah.

43:06>> Um would you like to

43:09show it or

43:11>> Sure. Yeah.

43:12>> Did Did anybody talk to you about

43:14showing the fish dashboard?

43:15>> No, I didn't. Okay.

43:17>> I [laughter] can I can do it since

43:19Yeah.

43:22>> back to

43:23>> uh Yeah. Let me Do y'all need a minute?

43:25Should we just go ahead and get Tina to

43:27>> I mean Yeah. go ahead and do those

43:29updates. And it might be my computer's

43:32been running into issues. It may be

43:33easier for us to like have you open the

43:36crash board on your computer and share

43:38the screen.

43:40>> You have to send it to me. Tina, um, are

43:42you ready now?

43:44>> Uh, yes. Let me share my screen.

43:47>> Okay.

43:53>> Make sure you all can see that.

43:56>> Yeah.

43:56>> Yes.

43:57>> Okay. So

43:59um today I'm going to give some updates

44:02regarding bike distribution um better

44:05bus Athens and its timeline um and also

44:08lastly our um uh 50year public

44:12celebration. Can y'all hear me? Okay.

44:15>> Yes.

44:15>> Yes.

44:17>> So

44:17>> that flyer looks great. That is awesome.

44:20>> This is nice.

44:22>> Yeah. Oh yes. This is the flyer on the

44:24right that you see here. um that uh we

44:28work together on um it's on our socials.

44:31We have uh flyers as well that's at um

44:35our information desk and around

44:37[clears throat] multimotal center.

44:40Uh so we do have vest and lights

44:42downstairs at the info desk. There's

44:44still vest available. We already ran out

44:46of lights the first batch. So we worked

44:48with Daniel to reorder them and he

44:50delivered them. Thank you, Daniel. Um so

44:52they're downstairs. I believe the first

44:55batch order was

44:58more than 30 lights. Uh we ran through

45:01that I want to say maybe two or three

45:03weeks. Um and now we got an order of 50

45:06lights. So we'll see. I know on um PPW

45:11side they're creating a spreadsheet to

45:13track how quickly they're um depleting

45:17each order. So we can see I guess how

45:21effective it is. Um hopefully I would

45:25like to know um since this is the

45:28purpose of this collaboration is to

45:31reduce bike ticketing and also increase

45:33safety for cyclists if if there's a way

45:35to track if there are less reported um

45:39ticketing incidences for cyclists. I

45:42don't know if yall know about that. Um

45:44but overall feedback from writers very

45:47good. People are very thankful um to

45:50have access to vest and lights.

45:55>> Love that.

45:56>> This is great. Is there any any

45:58discussion about expanding it to helmets

46:01also?

46:03>> We by Catherine's gives out helmets.

46:06>> I know,

46:07>> but I mean have make it more widely.

46:09>> It's a much larger item to

46:12>> That's right. That's Yeah, I understand.

46:14It's a if it's a budget thing.

46:16>> Well, no. I mean, I think maybe We have

46:18unlimited access. We have unlimited

46:20helmets through the Georgia state. Well,

46:24I don't know. Scott, you could probably

46:25speak to how many helmets are available.

46:30I have I buy about

46:33I don't know almost 200 helmets every

46:36year with our grant. Um we just crossed

46:39into another grant year so I have to buy

46:41more helmets. Daniel is correct. They

46:44are it's physically bigger. So like a

46:46box of helmets that only has 20 takes up

46:49an enormous amount of space. So that's

46:51sort of the the limiting factor there.

46:55>> Yeah.

46:55>> But we can let people know where did you

46:57come get the helmets.

46:59>> Yeah.

47:01>> Great. Okay. Let's let um Tina continue

47:02with her presentation. But yeah, this

47:05looks great, Tina.

47:05>> This is nice.

47:07>> Yeah. Thank you. I It is on Facebook and

47:11Instagram. And I know that our

47:14coordinator

47:15uh

47:19I don't know what's at so tagged I guess

47:22bike as well.

47:24So the next thing um is an update on

47:28better bus Athens. So recap in the

47:30summer we held our first day coder

47:32workshop.

47:34Uh Randy went to Randy yeah thank you

47:37Randy for coming again to that stable

47:39workshop. Then we also had a core design

47:41retreat. So that was made up of staff

47:44and uh UG and some technical experts to

47:48come up with the concepts. Um also after

47:52after we came up with this concepts our

47:54consultants in um worked on a concepts

47:57analysis report of the two concepts.

48:00Those concepts one by uh wrership and

48:03the other being um coverage.

48:06Um and that report is come is in the re

48:11final revision stage and will be

48:13published in December. Um something else

48:16that happened in the summer uh a Georgia

48:20House bill 328 passed. It is a bill that

48:24is supposed to help with education

48:27funding, but there is some hidden

48:30language there regarding usage of uh

48:35transit splast and transportation splass

48:38funds to help fund education. And so

48:41with that um some selective language

48:44there also kind of made it us question

48:49what type of what can we use T-spos for?

48:53Um specifically if I could just this is

48:56the language

48:58if here.

49:01>> Can you see what I just highlighted?

49:04No,

49:05>> it's very small.

49:06>> It's too small.

49:07>> Okay, that's all right. I could just do

49:11this.

49:12Can you see that now?

49:14>> Yeah.

49:15>> Okay. So, House Bill 328, page one, line

49:1916 through n

49:2117 through 19. uh quote to prohibit the

49:26use of special district mass

49:27transportation sales and use taxes for

49:30the provision of free or reduced fairs

49:32for public transit services to provide

49:34or time limits upon their calling of

49:36election for approval of special

49:38districts for transit purpose purposes

49:41sales and use tax. specifically

49:46we uh are doing

49:49well there's some interesting language

49:52here and worked with the attorney office

49:54uh to see what we have to do because

49:56it's a legal thing um uh we were already

50:01going to be cons considering doing a

50:03fair analysis study. It just kind of

50:06moved the timeline up uh because of the

50:09house bill that was passed in the

50:11summer. Um looking at in and considering

50:14what type of funding we have available

50:16if we want to con if we want to fund

50:18fair uh free transit still. Uh and if we

50:22don't what are the other alternatives um

50:25what kind of affairs would be possible

50:27to instill. Uh so it it started a fair

50:30elasticity study as well uh in in tandem

50:35with the better buzz Athens project

50:37which is okay in terms of they're very

50:39intertwined. The type of network we have

50:41and the routes that we have will

50:44determine um or frequency that we want

50:46to set determines the type of

50:49uh capital that we need in terms of

50:53phasing in more service or reducing

50:55service. Um, yeah. So, any questions on

51:00that? It's a lot and is a little

51:02convoluted for everybody still.

51:05>> Yeah. Okay. So, according to this bill,

51:09this I'm seeing the words like time

51:12limits upon the recalling of an

51:14election.

51:16Does this mean that Athens clar county

51:21has to allow for a recall election for

51:24the portion of TE's lost that funds fair

51:27free transit?

51:29We know that

51:34>> I cannot interpret it.

51:37>> Yeah,

51:37>> I don't think I can interpret it and

51:39tell you exactly what it means. Um

51:44I can only I can only uh do what I was

51:50told to do which is conduct this study.

51:56>> Okay. Yeah. So what what you're so what

51:58transit is doing along with better bus

52:01Athens is looking into what does it what

52:05will it take to bring back or to have um

52:08fair free if we're fund if we need to

52:10fund it through some other mechanism

52:12beyond TE's loss.

52:15>> Yes. So, we're al So, we're looking at

52:17fair elasticity as well. Um, how much it

52:19would cost to

52:21uh update or implement our fair

52:27equipment? Uh, what would staffing and

52:29training look like? Uh, what are changes

52:31to operations as well or administration?

52:35Um, or sorry, not administration, admin

52:38internally in our department. Uh, to do

52:42all of that, to implement that. what's

52:45the timeline? Um what would the impact

52:47be on our community? We would also have

52:51to do a a disparity impact analysis um

52:56uh from the FTA. Yeah, there's a lot

53:00going on, but we will have a

53:03presentation to Marission on the 10th uh

53:07regarding our fair and reinstatement

53:11study or fair analysis study. We're

53:13going by two names here, but yes. Uh but

53:16also we are going to be presenting at

53:19the same air commission meeting our

53:20choices report. It'll be the first time

53:23that the commission will um get a look

53:26at our choices report together. So our

53:28consultant will be presenting the

53:31overview of the tradeoffs. Um what does

53:34uh high frequency versus a coverage

53:37model look like? Um what our timeline is

53:39for engagement, all of that. Our social

53:42media campaign will also start uh next

53:46month for awareness. Um we are also

53:50going to be sending out our stakeholder

53:52workshop invitation for our second

53:54workshop next week as well. And then in

53:59December,

54:00uh we'll kick off public engagement. So

54:03that's going to be our surveys,

54:05uh uh tableabling, open forums, virtual

54:09meetings like that. That's the same week

54:12we'll have our stakeholder workshop

54:14meeting and then a potential mayor and

54:16commission meeting to go over our

54:18concepts report. Uh that's going to be

54:21the analysis of what we drew up in the

54:24core design retreat with the propo

54:27concepts of concepts concepts

54:30map concepts of the writership and of

54:34the coverage um maps. And then lastly,

54:39we have the GTA conference that's

54:42happening in um December as well that

54:44we'll be presenting at

54:46>> presumably that's Georgia Transportation

54:48Authority.

54:50>> Georgia Transit Association.

54:52>> Georgia Transit Association. Okay. Thank

54:55you. Um and you had mentioned the 10th.

54:58That's the November 10th.

55:00>> Yes.

55:01>> Okay.

55:03So Tina, with regard to the T-Blast fair

55:07free um portion, is that question just

55:13is that in the attorney's office? Are

55:15they looking at this bill and the

55:17ramifications as you guys are looking

55:19into alternatives?

55:21>> Yes.

55:22>> Yeah.

55:23>> Working with them and um the manager's

55:26office.

55:29Um they're just kind of I mean again

55:33like

55:34that touched on we already had it on our

55:37radar to look at a fair reinstate more

55:39fair analysis study. This house bill

55:41that was passed in the summer just kind

55:42of moved that timeline up. They're just

55:44questions of how do we fund transit? Um

55:47uh can it be fair free? What how how

55:52would our community react to fairs

55:55again? fair elasticity. At what point,

55:58at what cost, um would it make it

56:01difficult for writers to want to ride

56:04transit? Yeah, they're just kind of

56:08answering those questions to start

56:10looking at alterandas, but nothing is

56:12said yet. [snorts]

56:16>> Understood. Understood. So, there's

56:17there's a lot happening right now. Um

56:21>> there is.

56:22>> So, yeah. So let me think of like what

56:25is the the TLDDR or the jargon free

56:29version of this is our buses are fair

56:32free that has been funded since by TLOS

56:342023 and most recently will be funded by

56:37TOS 2026. There is a law that prohibits

56:40the use of TLOS funding to make buses

56:45fair free. So that means that some or

56:47all trips become

56:50we get forced potentially forced to put

56:53the fair boxes back which cost money to

56:56operate. Um and

57:00before before the fair before we went

57:03fair free um

57:07I think uh Athens politics nerd did a

57:09study or did um looked at all the data

57:12and found that 95% of all transit trips

57:15in Athens Clark County were already

57:17without a fair because if you factor in

57:19like UG staff, faculty, students,

57:23um they're already they were already not

57:25paying a fair. So there's just 5% of

57:27trips where people are having to pay a

57:30fair and you think about who are those

57:32people in Athens for county who are

57:34having to pay the bus

57:37>> afford at least.

57:38>> Yeah.

57:38>> Yeah. Right. And then it's also becomes

57:42you know more difficult for agencies if

57:44you're like okay I'm trying to help

57:46somebody. Oh you need to get here by a

57:48bus. Okay I have to buy you bus passes.

57:51You then you need like multiple trips

57:52and so on and so forth. So, I just I

57:54want to paint a picture of like how

57:55things were before we went fair free and

57:59there's um there's certainly a lot of

58:01options and um I'm not not a transit

58:03professional. We have people like Tina

58:05who's working on this with transit, but

58:07I just kind of want to paint a picture

58:10from a nonprofessional layman's

58:13perspective what we're what we're up

58:15against.

58:16>> Yeah. Thank you, Lauren. That's a pretty

58:18good

58:20>> TLDDR. Yeah,

58:25>> that's where

58:25>> let me make it a little bit happier now.

58:27I'll move on to my last slide.

58:29>> Okay, jerk and preach.

58:31>> 50 year anniversary celebration.

58:33>> All right.

58:34>> Hope you like our party bus. You see?

58:38[laughter]

58:38>> Um, so we will be hosting our 50y year

58:42anniversary public celebration on

58:44November 12th at the Multimodal Center.

58:47Uh, from 3 pm to 6 pm. We'll have food,

58:50entertainment, games, and more. And I

58:52will also be doing awareness tableabling

58:54for Better Bus Athens, too. So, uh, if

58:57you're available, come feel free to stop

58:59by, enjoy, and celebrate this really big

59:02milestone.

59:04>> Nice. 3:00 p.m. to 6:00 p.m. November

59:0712th.

59:10>> That's awesome news.

59:14Transit celebration. Great.

59:21Okay. Um, Tina, thank you so much for

59:24that update. Thanks for putting together

59:25a presentation and for all the work that

59:28y'all are doing to help get out lights

59:32and vests. Um, we've been handing them

59:33out for a while at tables by Gathn has

59:36them, but I think it this is a very

59:39efficient operation is what it sounds

59:41like. And it sounds like they're getting

59:43to in the hands of people who need them

59:44and that becomes increasingly important

59:46as it gets darker earlier

59:50>> this weekend.

59:51>> Yep.

59:52>> Um, thank you so much.

59:54>> You're very welcome. Um, and please let

59:56me know if there's a way if you all know

59:58um if there's a way to track

1:00:01uh

1:00:03uh I guess cyclist pullovers if there if

1:00:06the trend is going down because of the

1:00:08efforts that we're doing. That would be

1:00:09really interesting.

1:00:11>> Yeah, maybe we can figure that out,

1:00:13Daniel. Like when y'all are talking to

1:00:15AC, maybe they have something anecdotal

1:00:18or they have something y'all they're

1:00:19willing to share with y'all about that.

1:00:22Imagine they have to if they're issued

1:00:24citations, right, in pullovers, they

1:00:26report it. But if they're not issuing

1:00:28citations, maybe even

1:00:30>> Yeah. Or [clears throat] it may not be

1:00:32it may be harder to get into because it

1:00:33may not be a checkbox.

1:00:35Um,

1:00:38so much depends on how something was

1:00:40reported.

1:00:41>> Yeah. What's is there what's the

1:00:44request? No.

1:00:47>> Tina and Transit are wondering if there

1:00:49are less citations being issued for

1:00:52people not having lights.

1:00:55>> Yeah. I don't

1:00:56>> after the Yeah. the giveaways. Yeah.

1:00:58>> I don't know that

1:01:01we will we will find out that data

1:01:03exists. I think generally it's usually a

1:01:05warning, but I could be wrong.

1:01:09Um,

1:01:11>> that is something we've talked about

1:01:12like getting PD to have lights in the

1:01:14patrol cars so that they could just give

1:01:17out lights as they see the need instead

1:01:18of tickets. But I don't even know how

1:01:21many tickets there.

1:01:22>> No. And are warnings recorded or not?

1:01:24>> Yeah.

1:01:27>> And then they wouldn't record whether

1:01:29they were wearing the vest or

1:01:31>> Yeah. So that's Yeah. Yeah. The lights

1:01:35are

1:01:36>> Yeah. You have to have a front light.

1:01:37Mhm.

1:01:38>> Yeah. Okay.

1:01:40>> Um dashboard

1:01:43>> dashboard.

1:01:46Yes. So everyone can live so everyone

1:01:50can explore it.

1:01:52>> Is it posted on the website yet?

1:01:54>> Yes.

1:01:54>> Cool. So if you're online, you can find

1:01:58it on our website.

1:01:59>> You want me to um show it?

1:02:01>> Yeah. Great. Great. Thank you for some

1:02:04of us analog folks here today.

1:02:06>> Yeah, that's good. All

1:02:10right.

1:02:15This is

1:02:16>> Yeah, they said I don't know if it's now

1:02:18live.

1:02:20>> Y it's linked from the BPW website. Um,

1:02:25so these are all the crashes from the

1:02:28five years that we looked at in the

1:02:29safety action plan. And you can use the

1:02:34the column at the left to filter them by

1:02:36lots of different

1:02:39things.

1:02:42Now, uh, whichever crashes that you have

1:02:46filtered are going to populate the

1:02:48trans.

1:02:50It's a little hard to navigate. Um know

1:02:53why this we can't do mouse scrolling but

1:02:55um yeah I'm trying to zoom

1:02:59>> scroll on the um left side of the

1:03:01screen. Okay so that takes you up and

1:03:03down the

1:03:04>> Yeah, I'm trying to zoom in

1:03:05>> and then Well, so scroll down on the

1:03:08website.

1:03:09>> Yeah, actually I think you zoom out on

1:03:11the page then you'll find the zoom

1:03:13buttons on the map in the corner.

1:03:16>> Oh

1:03:17>> yes.

1:03:19Oh, you can get a peek.

1:03:21>> You may have to adjust sizing on your

1:03:24computer. We are working through

1:03:26>> Yes,

1:03:26>> those things.

1:03:29>> It should not right now. I don't think

1:03:32the scrolling on the map should not zoom

1:03:34in and out because you need it to scroll

1:03:37to up and down on the page. But, um,

1:03:42yeah,

1:03:44>> there's uh the charts at the bottom are

1:03:47really helpful.

1:03:49Yeah. And you can click on each crash

1:03:51and get some very basic.

1:04:04>> So we zoomed in really far and also

1:04:07because the scale of the web page is

1:04:09zoomed out, the dots are small.

1:04:13Yeah, there you go. I'm just going in

1:04:16more and then it just goes to normal.

1:04:19>> So, zoom out one

1:04:23>> and then can what happens when you

1:04:24scroll down on this?

1:04:28>> So, that's how you can kind of get down

1:04:30to the plus minus.

1:04:32>> Yeah.

1:04:35>> How does one make that go away?

1:04:39>> There's like an accept

1:04:43button. I just clicked outside of it.

1:04:44>> Oh, just outside of it. Maybe

1:04:46>> outside of that. We can um look outside

1:04:49to make what go away

1:04:50>> the splash screen. I think you had it

1:04:52pop up.

1:04:56>> So yeah, I mean there there are some

1:04:58changes we can make. Uh if y'all have

1:05:01feedback, I don't know what all we

1:05:04basically we you know, our consultant

1:05:07built this for us and then

1:05:09>> yeah,

1:05:10>> all of the links died. Um, and we just

1:05:13hired a new GIS uh

1:05:17administrator. Um,

1:05:20>> I was going to she was she was going to

1:05:21come and um I was going to introduce

1:05:23Shel to her today, but she had uh some

1:05:26she was she had to call out today for

1:05:28health stuff. So, um

1:05:32yeah, her name's Ally and

1:05:35um she we we gave her this task and she

1:05:39had it done within a few hours. So we

1:05:42had struggled with getting it to work

1:05:44for uh you know several months after

1:05:49[cough]

1:05:49acom finished. Um but so it's working

1:05:52now. Uh we're we're looking for ways to

1:05:54make it a little more optimized.

1:05:58>> Yeah.

1:05:59>> Very cool.

1:06:00>> It's really exciting. It's it's um it's

1:06:03difficult to use the map function. I

1:06:05think probably the easiest way to fix

1:06:08that is going to be um I think right now

1:06:11because we have larger screens in our

1:06:14office, it's probably formatted for a

1:06:16larger screen.

1:06:17>> Yeah.

1:06:17>> So, I'll just uh we may it may be

1:06:21helpful to format it for a

1:06:25laptop screen.

1:06:26>> Yeah. Um, and there's there's like

1:06:29generally speaking, I know that with

1:06:31Experience Builder, you can depending on

1:06:34the device you're on, you configure the

1:06:37app differently. So, you can be like,

1:06:39when you're on this type of mobile

1:06:40phone, the app looks like this, and when

1:06:42you're on this type, it looks like this.

1:06:44>> Yeah.

1:06:44>> So, maybe that's something we can work

1:06:46in there.

1:06:48>> Yeah. I think that this is great. It's

1:06:50going to be incredibly powerful. um

1:06:52getting it to fit on smaller screens.

1:06:56It's going to be key to realizing the

1:07:00power of all the data that's in here.

1:07:04>> And a lot of it too, like if you say

1:07:06like the map is important to see

1:07:08spatially where things are, but um the

1:07:12filters are kind of the main thing. So

1:07:15>> if you filter things and then you can't

1:07:17see them or

1:07:19>> if you want to like for turn pedestrian

1:07:21related on.

1:07:27So true. It shows you visually where all

1:07:30the pedestrian crashes are. Um so this

1:07:35is you have a couple filters on. What

1:07:36are on? There's another one that was

1:07:41micro related. Okay. So turn that off.

1:07:44And then so those are all pedestrian

1:07:46crashes. So then scroll to the bottom.

1:07:51Um and this will show you these

1:07:53statistics are kind of like what's

1:07:55helpful to see where you can really

1:07:57start to see like for the pedestrian

1:07:59crashes here's the severity. You know

1:08:01you you got 23

1:08:04um fatal crashes. That's a if you if you

1:08:07switch that to vehicle you'll see that

1:08:10that red line gets much smaller. And so

1:08:12those are some of the things where you

1:08:14know it's like while the map is helpful

1:08:16to see visually where they're at um the

1:08:19the charts you know finding your filter

1:08:22and then doing the charts.

1:08:23>> The charts are absolutely um helpful. I

1:08:26think um

1:08:28when people and I think we're imagining

1:08:30like the public will be using this. I

1:08:32think that they're going to be most

1:08:33concerned with like the areas that are

1:08:34close to them and they are going to

1:08:37really appreciate the map and use that

1:08:40as a gateway and I think that's true for

1:08:43elected officials too.

1:08:45>> That will be probably [clears throat]

1:08:47where everyone

1:08:50starts but I think it's a

1:08:53>> solvable

1:08:56Oh, why can't I zoom up anymore? Why

1:08:58don't you drag it? I was never able to

1:09:01get this flash to go.

1:09:04>> I've tried.

1:09:05>> What device do you have?

1:09:06>> I've got a iPad

1:09:09both Safari and Chrome. We'll see. There

1:09:12may be it may be a configuring

1:09:14configuration thing with that.

1:09:17>> Um but great. Um it's exciting to have

1:09:20this live. Um, again, I know a while

1:09:23back, um, we made some changes to the

1:09:27dot color and everything, and I and I

1:09:29love that the color and the size go

1:09:31together. Um, so that's great if you're

1:09:33visually impaired. Um, two ways to

1:09:36visually see that. That's

1:09:39awesome. I think that this is going to

1:09:40be very powerful and I love that we can

1:09:42put this out there for the public. It's

1:09:45going to be a great um, tool.

1:09:52Okay, [clears throat] I can feel myself

1:09:54wanting to go in and be like, "What

1:09:55about this? Let me find this." And you

1:09:56know, oh yeah, you know, put in an

1:09:58email.

1:09:59>> An old whole road is terrible. It

1:10:01actually works really well with touch

1:10:03screen.

1:10:04>> Okay.

1:10:04>> So, you can like zoom in and zoom out of

1:10:06just the map with my fingers, right?

1:10:10>> Or

1:10:11whatever that is.

1:10:13>> Touch screen working great.

1:10:15>> Yeah.

1:10:19Not your

1:10:19>> It has to be a laptop to screen very

1:10:21quickly.

1:10:22>> Okay. Um I think I'll go ahead and move

1:10:26us on the agenda.

1:10:30>> We don't we do not have Todd here today,

1:10:33do we?

1:10:34>> No.

1:10:35>> Okay.

1:10:37Guess I want to face our questions about

1:10:38the Firefly Trail.

1:10:41[laughter]

1:10:41>> Can I make comment or can we say that?

1:10:43Say that for later.

1:10:46>> You go ahead and make a comment.

1:10:47>> Okay. Um, appreciate you sending out the

1:10:49the Firefly audit. Um, I think it's

1:10:51something I noticed running it and

1:10:52definitely on the audit too and I know

1:10:54it's addressed somewhat on the report

1:10:58about stop signs for Firefly users and I

1:11:03and it's not just my opinion. NACTO. I

1:11:06was looking up the regulations or

1:11:07recommendations regul recommends against

1:11:10stop signs for bike and ped users of

1:11:14trails like this when crossing

1:11:16especially like unsalized

1:11:18intersections. So, I know I've been

1:11:21running on it with my wife and there was

1:11:22confusion from other users. It's up past

1:11:25uh where the audit goes, but where

1:11:27there's a four-way stop sign uh four-way

1:11:30stop where users thought, "Oh, I've got

1:11:33to wait till the intersection. All the

1:11:34cars are gone before I cross." Even

1:11:36though they cars have to stop, too,

1:11:38right? They have stop signs.

1:11:40>> So, it just creates more confusion. And

1:11:42just like a crosswalk, you don't have to

1:11:44stop when crossing a road at unsalized

1:11:48uh uh uh intersection. You know, it's

1:11:50obviously recommended. you want to make

1:11:52sure you're you're safe, but yield signs

1:11:54are one thing, but I'm I'm even NATO

1:11:56recommends against the stop signs.

1:11:59>> It's it's complicated. Um MUTC has

1:12:04some standards for determining the

1:12:07regulatory signage along trails. It's a

1:12:09little different than along sideways

1:12:11sidewalks because

1:12:13>> with [clears throat] the sidewalk, it's

1:12:14only pedestrians. And so, um, the risk

1:12:17with, uh, if you have someone riding,

1:12:20let's say, 15 miles an hour on a bicycle

1:12:24and they're not stopping, the car stops

1:12:26and looks and then they look the other

1:12:28way and then within that time, somebody

1:12:30could come. Um, that being said, one, so

1:12:33there's kind of within the audit report,

1:12:36there's a section at the beginning,

1:12:37which is corridor wide, which is kind of

1:12:39like, let's have a let's have a

1:12:42multi-dep departmental discussion about

1:12:45stop signs on the trail. And

1:12:46>> we saw it.

1:12:47>> Part of this is going to be like

1:12:48convincing, you know, the operators of

1:12:51the trail, leisure services, that uh,

1:12:53you know, that that is a thing that they

1:12:56would want to remove because ultimately

1:12:57we're in charge of the signage that is

1:13:00within the ride ofway for vehicles um,

1:13:04and the crossings and the markings and

1:13:07the the signals there. But uh when it

1:13:10comes to signage along the trail, that

1:13:12is like their responsibility and

1:13:15prerogative. So I know there there's

1:13:18some hesitance um from what I've heard

1:13:20about outright just pulling out stop

1:13:23signs, but it's conversation that we

1:13:26want to have. And then for each

1:13:28location, we do have like specific

1:13:30recommendations.

1:13:32Like it was actually kind of ironic. I

1:13:35went out to take photos uh a couple

1:13:38weeks ago. um just along where we did

1:13:40the audit and

1:13:42you know the uh the fertilizer plant

1:13:45driveway.

1:13:46Never seen any activity there. I pull up

1:13:49to take a picture and there's 10 trucks

1:13:52>> and the gates are open and there's some

1:13:54sort of site like the one day they they

1:13:56were doing something was the day I was

1:13:58taking photos and so I've never seen

1:13:59that there but still I mean um you know

1:14:04it's a fenced off gated parcel that has

1:14:07no traffic.

1:14:08just noticing this back and forth that's

1:14:10happening. Um I'm wondering because you

1:14:13had this great report here. So do you

1:14:16think it's um

1:14:19are we interested in having a

1:14:21presentation version of these audit

1:14:23reports in the future

1:14:26so we can have further discussion

1:14:28because I know a lot of us do go on

1:14:30these. I mean if there's

1:14:31>> well I think so I sent out the draft

1:14:33report. I'm looking for feedback on it

1:14:36for the next two weeks. Um, from there

1:14:38I'll finalize that audit report and also

1:14:41plan the next audit. I'd love to give a

1:14:43presentation. I was kind of waiting for

1:14:45final comments to come in from people.

1:14:47Um, because it has been such a long time

1:14:49since we did the audit, right?

1:14:51>> This next one will not take as long.

1:14:53Basically, I got caught in the Athens in

1:14:56motion plan [clears throat and laughter]

1:14:59the written report editing.

1:15:01Um, but yeah, I'd love to give a

1:15:03presentation on on the audit report once

1:15:05we have those final comments in.

1:15:07>> Should I Is this my comment or do I need

1:15:09to make should I have

1:15:09>> Please send me an email.

1:15:10>> Yeah,

1:15:11>> I I I hear you though. And it'd be

1:15:13helpful. Um

1:15:14>> I think just anything you can provide

1:15:16for for that. It's always helpful to get

1:15:18eyes on it.

1:15:20>> Yeah. Thank you. Yeah. And

1:15:22>> so so maybe in the future like it's it's

1:15:24um we do the ride, you have an initial

1:15:27report and we do a little presentation

1:15:29on it and that can be our comments.

1:15:33>> Um I would prefer written comments from

1:15:36y'all.

1:15:38>> Okay. Yeah. But in the future, let's

1:15:39have a maybe a presentation or

1:15:41something.

1:15:42>> Yeah, I'll do the presentation final.

1:15:45>> I'm talking about in the future the next

1:15:47time. Not necessarily for this one, but

1:15:49like forward as like um a suggested

1:15:52order of operations could be we do the

1:15:54ride

1:15:55>> and then you have this kind of draft

1:15:57report and we get like a presentation on

1:15:59it and provide feedback kind of like the

1:16:01way we do things like with the plan

1:16:03revision and everything.

1:16:05>> Yeah, I hear you on it. Um I think I

1:16:08don't want there to be any confusion.

1:16:10Like for instance with this report,

1:16:13it it includes recommendations that

1:16:15leisure services might contact me with

1:16:17comments and say absolutely not. We're

1:16:20not doing that. And then it'll get

1:16:21deleted from the final and I don't

1:16:23necessarily want to make a presentation

1:16:26saying this is something we're

1:16:27interested in doing. If that's the one

1:16:29thing that a person in public like catch

1:16:32catches is like a presentation of

1:16:33something that's not finalized.

1:16:35>> And who's who's the presentation

1:16:36ultimately for? um

1:16:38>> the final version.

1:16:40>> I mean it it would be for for this

1:16:42commission and the public

1:16:47if if if a presentation is what you guys

1:16:50would like to have then like we can do

1:16:53that. I I can I I can run it up the

1:16:57chain. I just feel like that's going to

1:16:58be the response back is like we don't

1:17:00necessar I mean like it's one thing with

1:17:02the draft Athens emotion plan but even

1:17:04then we didn't like we didn't have like

1:17:06snippets of the plan like we didn't have

1:17:08the plan up on the you know screen

1:17:12um

1:17:13before it was finalized. I think I would

1:17:15just be nervous about like putting stuff

1:17:18out before departments have a chance to

1:17:21give their feedback. So, what I could do

1:17:24is multiple draft rounds where I have

1:17:27draft one goes to staff only and then

1:17:29once they return it back, then I can

1:17:31send that draft out to y'all and

1:17:34>> let's um yeah, we'll we'll talk about

1:17:36this on online. I think um the goal is

1:17:40um there's a lot of great work happening

1:17:43here. I think that the bike audits are

1:17:47awesome and the walk audits and having

1:17:49staff together and seeing y'all talk are

1:17:52great. So, I'm looking for ways to

1:17:54efficiently give feedback, but also to

1:17:57surface some of this work that's

1:18:00happening so, you know, the public knows

1:18:03that these conversations

1:18:05are happening and um that things are

1:18:08going on um and not just kind of bury it

1:18:12in reports for what it's worth because

1:18:15it's because I know it takes a lot of

1:18:17time

1:18:17>> and um I want we want this to amount to

1:18:19something. I think maybe there's also a

1:18:21desire for like accountability

1:18:23and surfacing it and putting it out

1:18:25there.

1:18:25>> Transparency.

1:18:26>> Yeah. And transparency.

1:18:28>> But so we don't have to decide on that

1:18:30today. Um the report it looks great.

1:18:34>> It's awesome to see it with

1:18:35>> with the pictures and everything in

1:18:37there. And there's

1:18:39>> the like what we observed and stuff. I'm

1:18:41loving the format.

1:18:42>> Yeah. It's a lot more detailed than you

1:18:43know expected. This this first one was

1:18:45kind of like working with that outline,

1:18:48the format and and then the next one

1:18:50should be easier because it's more

1:18:51filling in the blanks.

1:18:52>> But yeah, it's a little hard because

1:18:54here we are in a public meeting. I'm

1:18:55talking about this great report that

1:18:58>> no one can see.

1:19:00>> Yeah.

1:19:00>> Yeah. So that that's the thing. So we'll

1:19:03we'll we'll have those conversations. Um

1:19:05>> well and yeah. And so, you know, when I

1:19:07when I send so like in this instance

1:19:09where I sent it out through email, you

1:19:12know, if y'all if y'all can like a twoe

1:19:15turnaround. So, if you can provide

1:19:18comments, I'm I'm happy to listen to

1:19:20questions about it here. Um, but yeah, I

1:19:24think it would make sense to have a

1:19:25presentation about it. I just

1:19:28terms of the order of operations,

1:19:31yeah, it's it's I can have like a

1:19:34overarching presentation. It's just more

1:19:36things to to do. Uh because I out of the

1:19:40the photos that were in there, I took

1:19:43about 200 photos.

1:19:45>> Yeah. Right.

1:19:46>> Of every intersection.

1:19:48Um and so now we have that, you know,

1:19:52set of photos, but

1:19:54>> Yeah. I don't even have this on the

1:19:56agenda.

1:19:57>> Yeah. [laughter]

1:19:58>> Oh, boy. Okay. That's okay. We'll get

1:20:00we'll get we'll get organized.

1:20:01>> It's okay. It came up as part of the

1:20:03leisure services.

1:20:05>> That's

1:20:06>> Yes. Yeah. So, okay.

1:20:08>> So, we'll we'll get it on the agenda and

1:20:10there will be a presentation with it

1:20:11when that happens.

1:20:12>> Okay. Yeah. Not trying to um hide things

1:20:15from the public. In fact, we're trying

1:20:16to service things for the public.

1:20:19>> Okay. We're we're kind of running low on

1:20:21time.

1:20:23Um,

1:20:25I think our biggest priority are the the

1:20:28crash reports, but we also need to talk

1:20:30about our annual meeting and scheduling

1:20:32that.

1:20:34>> Um, I'm going to

1:20:37I'm going to give you all the TLDDR on

1:20:39Prince Avenue and that is it it has to

1:20:41go out to bid for construction for

1:20:44contracting and that's now going to

1:20:47happen construction's expected to happen

1:20:49in spring. That's the short version.

1:20:50This is for the permanent

1:20:52>> barriers. Yeah,

1:20:53>> for lack of a better term. Sorry. What's

1:20:56the technical term?

1:20:58>> Uh,

1:21:00we can call them barriers.

1:21:01>> Okay.

1:21:01>> Yeah.

1:21:02>> I don't know.

1:21:03>> The prince final paving, striping,

1:21:06buffers, and green infrastructure

1:21:08repackaging into a single contract for

1:21:11bidding is the official word from Diana

1:21:14Jackson.

1:21:17Um,

1:21:18it's gonna happen.

1:21:21And then um

1:21:24have two crash reports. Can we get

1:21:26through those in like 10 minutes?

1:21:30>> Yeah.

1:21:33>> Yeah, I tried experimenting with an app

1:21:35to um let you guys kind of explore them

1:21:37on your own. Uh but yeah, actually I did

1:21:41um I updated the PDF so that these are

1:21:43both in there.

1:21:45>> Thanks.

1:21:46[clears throat]

1:21:47Wait.

1:21:55Are you able to share the reports that

1:21:57are

1:21:57>> Yeah, I can um I think I can show this

1:21:59if that would be helpful.

1:22:01>> That's great.

1:22:02>> Yeah. Sorry, I was um trying to get

1:22:04pictures to show up in [laughter]

1:22:07in this app that I built and it's not

1:22:10getting the hang of it.

1:22:12Um,

1:22:13so last month in September, we

1:22:15unfortunately had three fatalities.

1:22:18Those are VR news. Um,

1:22:22kind of different cases. One,

1:22:24uh, they're all drivers, but one person,

1:22:27well, he crashed and got out of his car

1:22:28and then was hit by another car.

1:22:35[clears throat]

1:22:42Yeah. Yeah, you're right. It's Daniel

1:22:44red. Um

1:22:47so um

1:22:50[clears throat]

1:22:54try to this up a little bit. And the

1:22:57other two are actually um senior

1:23:00drivers.

1:23:04One was uh going the wrong way on I

1:23:07think

1:23:09Gosh.

1:23:18>> Yeah, I went to a ninth. It's always a

1:23:23drive.

1:23:23>> Where um which one of which am I looking

1:23:25at?

1:23:26>> This is actually um I was starting with

1:23:28September because it was in front of me,

1:23:29but we

1:23:30>> Okay. Okay. Yeah, we can start in

1:23:31September this one.

1:23:32>> August.

1:23:35Yeah, the driver was 80 and had possible

1:23:37cognitive impairment, was going to

1:23:39breakfast the plane going the opposite

1:23:42way.

1:23:44>> Yeah.

1:23:46[clears throat]

1:23:51The fatality was on Jefferson Road. The

1:23:53driver turned out to the left thinking

1:23:55there was enough time before oncoming

1:23:57traffic.

1:23:58There wasn't.

1:24:00We know because they said so, but then

1:24:02um died later at the hospital

1:24:06also

1:24:08was over 70

1:24:11more vulnerable.

1:24:15>> Right. What are we looking at, Katie?

1:24:17>> Oh, I was I was starting with the

1:24:18fatalities in the um in the table for

1:24:23September.

1:24:24>> Okay.

1:24:25>> So, where's the kill?

1:24:27>> We could go ahead and cut. What page is

1:24:29that?

1:24:30>> Prepared. Uh I think this is still

1:24:32August.

1:24:33>> Okay. So we're we're actually in August.

1:24:34Okay. We are in the land of August.

1:24:38>> Oh, I see. They're both back to back.

1:24:39>> Yes.

1:24:40>> We could start with September. We can

1:24:42start with August.

1:24:43>> Okay. Here's Okay. We're in August.

1:24:44>> There it is.

1:24:45>> Yeah. Let's let's uh we'll do it this

1:24:47way.

1:24:48>> All right.

1:24:52I was trying to think of anything.

1:24:55don't have August in front of me, but

1:24:58>> um

1:24:59>> does anything stand out for you all if

1:25:01you got a chance to look at it already?

1:25:05>> August

1:25:14of August. [clears throat]

1:25:16Our August fatality was the kid who ran

1:25:18out into Lexington Road from Walmart

1:25:21parking lot.

1:25:28>> Yes. So,

1:25:30okay. So, yeah. So, August had one fatal

1:25:33crash and that was the one with the

1:25:35child that ran into traffic on Lexington

1:25:37Road.

1:25:38>> That's right.

1:25:39>> Um,

1:25:41and then is that one serious injury?

1:25:46um

1:25:47>> on Prince Avenue

1:25:50near Ogal Thor

1:25:53>> down there.

1:25:53>> Yeah, August was very late up there too.

1:25:56September.

1:25:58[cough]

1:26:00>> Oh yeah, that was an ebike. Um

1:26:02>> Prince Oak for car left turn of ebike

1:26:07yield yielding.

1:26:10>> Yeah. So basically ebikes going

1:26:12straight. Um that's actually a lot of

1:26:14our motorcycle

1:26:16crashes stop in that way.

1:26:19>> You don't see the the bike coming.

1:26:25>> The car turned left onto Ogulthorp

1:26:28>> from Prince.

1:26:30They weren't using the turn lane.

1:26:33>> Uh

1:26:33>> did they like cut across because the

1:26:36there's a left turn lane there?

1:26:38>> Yeah, the bike was coming

1:26:40into town. Oh, they were okay. I see. I

1:26:43thought it was they were heading the

1:26:44same direction. Okay, now that makes

1:26:46sense.

1:26:46>> I was starting to find sometimes diagram

1:26:48of the report set up trying to attach to

1:26:51the map, but maybe tomorrow.

1:26:53>> Um, it looks like August has the total

1:26:56number like highest total number of

1:26:58crashes this year so far.

1:27:02>> Oh, interesting.

1:27:05>> Oh, yeah. One page up, Lauren.

1:27:08>> Yes. Look at that.

1:27:10>> Look at that. August. Well, yeah, we

1:27:12surpassed it in September 2020, but yes.

1:27:20>> Yeah. I'm trying to think what else was

1:27:23noteworthy.

1:27:26Um, yeah, really similar bike crash on

1:27:30Lumpin.

1:27:36Oh, and the the car that

1:27:39[laughter and clears throat] crashed

1:27:39into a building that was marked as

1:27:41pedestrian, but the two people who were

1:27:43pedestrians were sitting at a booth

1:27:45eating,

1:27:46>> injured,

1:27:51>> wasn't wasn't marked as a severe injury.

1:27:54>> Was that was that at the bottom? What

1:27:56was that?

1:27:57>> 820 hole. Not sure what that is.

1:28:01>> I went to the Oh, I see. Okay.

1:28:03Different. Okay.

1:28:13Zach's piece.

1:28:15>> Zach's piece.

1:28:17>> There's another before. Um,

1:28:22we we need to do something about

1:28:24>> Was that

1:28:26>> Yeah, that was the one we saw, wasn't

1:28:27it, Katie?

1:28:29>> Oh. Oh, I'm not sure in there

1:28:31>> in Normal Town.

1:28:32>> I actually followed up on that. It

1:28:34should have been marked as severe

1:28:35because it was a broken leg.

1:28:36>> Absolutely.

1:28:37>> And it was Yeah, it was very

1:28:39>> It wasing It was right where really

1:28:41Georgia George and Prince.

1:28:43>> It's where we're putting in

1:28:45>> somebody was crossing there and was

1:28:47struck. So Or is it dusk?

1:28:51>> Yeah, it was dusk. Yeah, I should have

1:28:52added that by hand because it um

1:28:55followed up with the officer who didn't

1:28:58put it as severe.

1:29:00>> Wow. Um, but yeah, the the guidelines

1:29:02say broken limbs are supposed to be a

1:29:06>> code.

1:29:07>> It's it's interesting because

1:29:10>> it says issued citation. So that means

1:29:12the pedestrian received a ticket for

1:29:15crossing [clears throat] outside of a

1:29:16crosswalk.

1:29:16>> Oh,

1:29:17>> but also G do has a requirement of

1:29:19certain number of people crossing at

1:29:21that location before they'll put in a

1:29:23safe crossing.

1:29:25So

1:29:26>> it's essentially like with it's it's a

1:29:2920 car or 20 20 people crossing at peak

1:29:32hour like in in a peak hour at any given

1:29:35day you do like a 48 hour study and you

1:29:37have to find that within 20 within like

1:29:39within an hour time period the peak

1:29:42needs to have at least 20 um people

1:29:45crossing. That location

1:29:49is one where as part of the safety

1:29:51audit, they determined that they could

1:29:53put in a pedestrian hybrid beacon, which

1:29:55the uh requirement for that is a minimum

1:29:59of 50 people at peak, which means that

1:30:01they counted at least 50 people at the

1:30:04peak hour crossing at that location. Um,

1:30:08now I think we could get by with a

1:30:09refuge island with RFBS

1:30:12because they actually had RF,

1:30:14you know,

1:30:16recommended for in front of social

1:30:17security office. We're wanting to put in

1:30:20a pedestrian hybrid beacon. Anyways, all

1:30:21that to say, it's tricky because we were

1:30:25going to install that as part of the

1:30:26Avenue Toss project, but if we had

1:30:31installed it, G dot would no longer have

1:30:33the benefit cost ratio to justify

1:30:37their project getting installed. So, it

1:30:40would have removed too many of the

1:30:41safety improvements.

1:30:43So we're kind of stuck in this waiting

1:30:46game of So it actually I mean we should

1:30:49probably send this to GI to let him know

1:30:51hey that spot you now have a serious

1:30:54injury crack that happened at that

1:30:56crossing location which would then

1:30:57increase

1:30:58>> the benefit cost ratio which would then

1:31:00increase the prioritization of the way

1:31:02that G do funds it.

1:31:04>> Yeah. And this is actually was it

1:31:06Georgia not it was closer to Georgia and

1:31:07notore. I know it's reported as but it

1:31:10was

1:31:10>> No. Yeah. Yeah. Georgia. Yeah. That that

1:31:13makes more sense than than part.

1:31:16>> Um because a lot of people cross there.

1:31:19>> I do. All my wives do all the time.

1:31:21>> Yeah.

1:31:21>> So,

1:31:22>> all right. I'm going to move us on to

1:31:24September and then we got to talk about

1:31:27the rest of the year.

1:31:28>> That attestment is actually 2025.

1:31:32>> Oh, oops.

1:31:34Oh, no. That's me. Sorry. I might have

1:31:37done a search for it. I apologize.

1:31:40>> I'm so confused. was looking at the most

1:31:42recent one, but like I only September.

1:31:44>> That's that's me. I was um trying to

1:31:47March.

1:31:48>> Okay.

1:31:49>> Yeah. So, yeah, we are up to this this

1:31:51past month.

1:31:54Oh, wait. Oh, you know what? I I messed

1:31:56it up, too. I forgot to update the

1:31:57cumulative um chart. Anyway, uh

1:32:01>> nothing works. I know. I'll fix it all

1:32:04later.

1:32:04>> This is what happens when we take a

1:32:05month off.

1:32:06>> Oh, god.

1:32:08>> Yeah. So any basically though we had a

1:32:10lot of crashes compared to well we had

1:32:13seven again and 10 pedestrian

1:32:17um but none severely

1:32:21>> what is HIN again entry network.

1:32:24>> Oh yes so yeah that's the tool to

1:32:27prioritize I think it's the 18% of our

1:32:29ACC redways where over 85% of severe and

1:32:33fatal crashes happen. So it's a

1:32:35important priorization pool for the

1:32:37which we need to intervene in

1:32:40um

1:32:41>> to make the biggest impact.

1:32:43>> Yes.

1:32:50>> Well, we can

1:32:52pull up

1:32:53>> I got it.

1:32:54>> Okay. I wasn't sure. We could push it to

1:32:56next month.

1:32:57>> Yeah. But we might have to um Sorry

1:33:00about that y'all. Do that. Yeah.

1:33:02basically got a cluster of the RU on

1:33:05that time.

1:33:08Let me know if you have any questions.

1:33:10>> Yeah, this looks good.

1:33:12>> Did I get the August one right since I

1:33:14got the August one?

1:33:15>> Yeah.

1:33:16Yeah,

1:33:17>> this is um y'all thank your

1:33:22clerk of merit commission and the people

1:33:23who put together packets and everything

1:33:26because it's

1:33:27it's a lot.

1:33:32Yeah. And um should we do I guess we

1:33:35usually do a year and review in January,

1:33:38right?

1:33:38>> Yes.

1:33:39>> For crash reports.

1:33:43Golly, all the bike stuff. Goodness.

1:33:51Right hook.

1:33:55This is the first that I've noticed.

1:33:58Segways

1:34:01back.

1:34:03>> I I need to follow up on that segway.

1:34:06>> Oh,

1:34:08>> what is broke came blocking driveway

1:34:11during football game?

1:34:13Yeah, that was very strange because this

1:34:15was reported by a UG officer.

1:34:17>> This is not talking about a bike change.

1:34:22>> So, this probably shouldn't really be in

1:34:24gears, but I thought

1:34:25>> might be in a parking lot.

1:34:26>> Sure, but still it should be

1:34:29>> Well, I guess this is gears, though.

1:34:30>> What time was it?

1:34:33>> They can be hard to see. I'll say that

1:34:34much. They don't have lighting up. I'm

1:34:37just trying to see. You know, I've heard

1:34:38of other people almost getting

1:34:41>> 117 in a good clip to break a chain.

1:34:44>> Yeah.

1:34:45>> Yeah. And they weren't hurt.

1:34:46>> Maybe it was a plastic chain.

1:34:48>> Yeah.

1:34:49>> I just can't imagine.

1:34:50>> I can't imagine.

1:34:51>> You know, like getting serious injury.

1:34:54>> Yes.

1:34:57>> Right. Turning right up.

1:35:05So if a bicyclist hits a chain, it's a

1:35:07vehicular track.

1:35:09>> Yeah, they hit a pedestrian,

1:35:11>> right? This is some boring.

1:35:13>> Well, so so this is gears. So

1:35:17>> Well, okay. Actually, yeah,

1:35:19>> actually the back crash didn't make it

1:35:21into

1:35:23>> Yeah.

1:35:23>> was a single didn't hit anything. Didn't

1:35:26damage any property other than

1:35:29>> Yeah. And

1:35:32>> yes,

1:35:33>> so we yeah

1:35:34>> essentially if property damage is

1:35:37included then I think EB

1:35:41uses this

1:35:43and I'm not saying that I agree with

1:35:46that.

1:35:48It's an observation.

1:35:51>> Glad to see a driver got excited for not

1:35:54passing with enough clearance. Glad to

1:35:56see that.

1:35:59>> Glad to see that. I'm glad to see that

1:36:01they're being

1:36:01>> cited all jacket for

1:36:11segway and bikeway.

1:36:15>> Yeah, I'm gonna have to follow up on

1:36:16that too because why were they at Were

1:36:19they at fault? Because they were

1:36:20vibrating.

1:36:24No, I think seems like a vehicle.

1:36:27>> I think it's a mobility device, which

1:36:29means you could use it on a sidewalk,

1:36:31but I've also seen like wheelchairs and

1:36:33bike lanes.

1:36:35>> I know of a guy who has a disability

1:36:37ride around a segway. Like can't legally

1:36:39drive, can't physically ride a bike, but

1:36:41get around.

1:36:42>> Yeah,

1:36:45>> interesting. Seems like the bike lane is

1:36:47the place they should be.

1:36:50[clears throat]

1:36:52That's that's unclear because I couldn't

1:36:55tell if it was the guy on the segway or

1:36:57or

1:36:59doing this.

1:37:01>> Oh yeah.

1:37:02>> Yeah. The same point was marked as fault

1:37:04and I I don't understand why. I wasn't

1:37:06explained in the report. So

1:37:08>> try to follow up.

1:37:09>> They are very wide for sidewalk too. So

1:37:16>> if they're like electric scooters, you

1:37:17would think that they should be in the

1:37:19bike lane.

1:37:19>> Yeah. Not on the sidewalk.

1:37:23>> So top speed.

1:37:25>> Segway.

1:37:30Top speed.

1:37:32>> Yeah.

1:37:36>> 10.

1:37:37>> You're like

1:37:38>> 10 to 50 miles hour.

1:37:40>> 50.

1:37:41>> I can't believe it. Depends on which pro

1:37:44version of

1:37:46>> Yes, they can go up to 50 miles an hour.

1:37:50What the hell are they?

1:37:52>> They can do. I sure wouldn't do it

1:37:54anyhow.

1:37:57>> They're only calling that a scooter. So,

1:37:59Segue, I guess, is a brand.

1:38:03[clears throat]

1:38:03>> It says you should ride your Segway on

1:38:05paved bike lanes, multi-use paths,

1:38:08low speed urban or suburban streets.

1:38:12>> All right, I'm going to going to move us

1:38:15on. Um so something to think about is um

1:38:20going forward is like we have these

1:38:22great monthly reports, we now have a

1:38:25dashboard.

1:38:27Um something to talk about with staff is

1:38:32what is the next step for crash reports

1:38:35um for this group? Like what do y'all

1:38:38want to see? Do you you like this

1:38:40format? Is this going good? Um, do you

1:38:43want to do anything differently? Because

1:38:47I think that again, this is another

1:38:49great thing that we're doing is we're

1:38:50surfacing these crashes and before they,

1:38:53you know, sometimes you might get a news

1:38:56story about it, but other than that it,

1:39:00you know,

1:39:02not a lot was happening. So, um, it

1:39:05might be useful to think about how we

1:39:08want to

1:39:10receive this information as a commission

1:39:12going forward, collaborating with staff,

1:39:14understanding that, you know, they have

1:39:16only so much time.

1:39:18Um, because I I think I think it's great

1:39:20to like look at these one by one and

1:39:22talk about them. Um, so what I'm curious

1:39:26to know is do you want because I hate I

1:39:28hate rushing through these at the end of

1:39:30our meeting. think this is one of the

1:39:31most important things [clears throat]

1:39:32that we do and we look at.

1:39:34>> Yeah.

1:39:34>> So, um maybe deciding like okay this is

1:39:38the ma this should be the main chunk of

1:39:39our meeting or this is how much time we

1:39:41want to spend or we don't want to feel

1:39:42rushed or maybe it's you want to receive

1:39:44in a different way. Um maybe you just

1:39:47want to look at the reports before you

1:39:49come in and then talk about specific

1:39:51ones or only look at the killeds or I

1:39:53don't know. I I don't you know I just

1:39:55want to I feel bad that we're rushing

1:39:57through which is so important. I think

1:40:00it's extremely important and maybe we

1:40:02should move it up in the agenda some a

1:40:04lot of times that we make sure we have

1:40:05time we're not rushing through. Um I

1:40:08would also like just with the issues of

1:40:10reporting I don't know if we could have

1:40:12a sit down with um higher up with police

1:40:16to talk about

1:40:18make trying to make under have them

1:40:20understand our concerns about this so

1:40:23that

1:40:25they can educate the officers about how

1:40:27to properly report because there are

1:40:29some there's some issues here

1:40:31>> inconsistent.

1:40:32>> Yeah.

1:40:32>> Yes.

1:40:32>> Needs to be consistent across

1:40:35>> Yeah. What could be helpful is, you

1:40:37know, we've been providing the monthly

1:40:39updates. We will be putting together an

1:40:42annual

1:40:43summary of crashes. If if y'all can get

1:40:48kind of your questions outlined, maybe

1:40:51and I can't make any promises here, but

1:40:52we can request PD come and attend the

1:40:58meeting where we're doing the annual

1:41:00crash report. Um I don't know if that

1:41:03turns into also the annual aim report

1:41:07because I think both of those things

1:41:09overlap a little bit. So maybe

1:41:10>> we usually do um a year review in

1:41:12January.

1:41:13>> Yeah.

1:41:16>> So we sometimes the annual meeting has

1:41:18happened in January for everyone but

1:41:19ideally half.

1:41:21>> Yeah. I think I guess I just I would

1:41:23want to avoid doing the doing both of

1:41:26those time from from a staff capacity

1:41:29standpoint.

1:41:30>> Gotcha. Um but uh Katie, are you do you

1:41:34know

1:41:36because usually we get all of our

1:41:39the monthly crash report for December

1:41:42would be created in January.

1:41:44>> Yeah. So would you think that maybe the

1:41:47annual crash report would be a month

1:41:50after that or do you think you would be

1:41:52able to kind of I mean do you all want a

1:41:55December crash report separate or do you

1:41:58want that to just be the final chapter

1:42:00in the annual

1:42:02>> final chapter in the annual

1:42:03>> because we could I'm thinking probably

1:42:06either February or January or February

1:42:08uh depending on staff capacity. So

1:42:11saving the December crash report for as

1:42:13part of the annual report. Is that what

1:42:15we're saying? Or the annual crash.

1:42:16>> That's my question to you all. Do you

1:42:18like you do you like seeing a monthly

1:42:20and then

1:42:21>> monthly?

1:42:22>> Okay. So what we'll do is January.

1:42:26Well, I mean

1:42:27>> Yeah. Yeah. The uh annual report as soon

1:42:30as possible. Maybe at that meeting also,

1:42:32but if not then February.

1:42:35>> So trying to do the annual crash report

1:42:38in January. writing as well as December.

1:42:42>> Yeah. And that would include December,

1:42:43too, because it's the end of the year,

1:42:44right? Go over that.

1:42:45>> Yeah. I mean, it makes sense that we

1:42:47would have a December crash report.

1:42:49>> Yeah. And then January

1:42:51>> that would get sent out.

1:42:53>> Let's just

1:42:55since it's holidays and stuff, uh, and

1:43:00if we are asking PD to be there, I think

1:43:02safe bet would be February

1:43:04for the annual crash report meeting.

1:43:08and we could see if we can get PD

1:43:11to come talk to us because and we could

1:43:13basically say there's some questions.

1:43:15It'd be helpful if we could provide the

1:43:16questions ahead of time that way they um

1:43:20you know can can make sure that they

1:43:23have the correct answer. You know,

1:43:27>> another model might be like quarterly.

1:43:30We, you know, quarterly we could we

1:43:32could have a major chunk of this meeting

1:43:38and keep up with them more frequently

1:43:42and we could even advertise that to

1:43:48or you know, I don't know.

1:43:51>> I don't know. I like to

1:43:53some of this I like to to review when

1:43:55it's a little fresher in our minds

1:43:57especially if it's been you know a large

1:43:59particularly

1:44:01>> public like don't accident that we've

1:44:02we've

1:44:04>> talked about or it's been in the news so

1:44:06that's just my opinion but I understand

1:44:09other people feel differently

1:44:11>> are you saying to continue with the

1:44:13monthly report but then have every

1:44:15quarter where we go into more

1:44:17>> No I was thinking instead of the the

1:44:19monthly where was commenting on, you

1:44:21know, kind of giving it short short

1:44:23attention. Um, if we if we if we had

1:44:27basically a dedicated meeting four times

1:44:29a year to go through all of this, other

1:44:34m other major agenda items.

1:44:36>> Another alternative to this is the

1:44:40commission has the ability to make

1:44:42committees. We do not currently have any

1:44:45meeting committees. Um there's a

1:44:48projects and policy committee. We

1:44:49haven't met in months. Um mostly because

1:44:51we were waiting on me to get done with

1:44:54some stuff. Communications committee

1:44:56hasn't met. Uh there was a grant data

1:44:58committee that essentially uh the when

1:45:02Mark Abel stepped off, he was the last

1:45:04member of that committee. If there was a

1:45:07desire for committee where we could have

1:45:09more of like a breakout session where

1:45:10those who are passionate about it can

1:45:12come in, we can look at crashes and that

1:45:14could be maybe ahead of a meeting and

1:45:17then they could help with the because I

1:45:19don't want to put too much

1:45:21>> stress on Katie, you know, she's she's

1:45:24organizing both the safe school safety

1:45:26audits as well as the um walk audits uh

1:45:30road safety audits and doing the monthly

1:45:33crash reports. So, um, and there's

1:45:36reports for those things. So, Katie's

1:45:38been in report generating mode for a

1:45:40while, and it's kind of like that's a

1:45:42lot to keep. I mean, you saw it took me

1:45:43eight months just to do one bike a

1:45:45report. So, um, you know, I want to I

1:45:48want to be realistic with our staff

1:45:50availability.

1:45:52>> One possibility. I like the idea of

1:45:54moving the crash report up because I do

1:45:56think it's a a key part of of our world.

1:46:00Um, but you know, maybe we should put a

1:46:03little bit more of the homework on us,

1:46:05less on Katie. And, uh, read crash

1:46:09reports before you show up here on the

1:46:11fourth Tuesday, whatever. And if you

1:46:13have concerns or questions, we bring it

1:46:15up during an early part of the meeting

1:46:18and uh, and as opposed to having to have

1:46:20somebody read it to us on the screen.

1:46:22>> Yeah, you're right.

1:46:24>> I I I I'd prefer to, you know, do it

1:46:27that way because I mean, I find the

1:46:28pressure reports. Thank you very much by

1:46:30the way. Very very interesting and and

1:46:32and very informative about things that

1:46:36are going on in our community. Um but uh

1:46:39we most of us are at least high school

1:46:42graduate

1:46:53how much discussion do we want to have?

1:46:55Um, and I don't know I I think our

1:46:58meetings are a little different than

1:46:59some other meetings.

1:47:01Okay. Can you uh see this is why

1:47:05are you able to do a December 1st or a

1:47:07December 8th meeting?

1:47:10>> Okay. All right. Um,

1:47:12>> me too.

1:47:13>> Okay.

1:47:16Let's um let's go ahead and and move on.

1:47:17That's a good conversation about

1:47:19>> Yeah. Can I just I have one more thing

1:47:21about the crash.

1:47:21>> Yeah. So the the new crash board, are we

1:47:23going to be able to use that to kind of

1:47:27identify

1:47:28patterns and and start looking for

1:47:31>> I areas where are frequently there's

1:47:34accidents or maybe there's frequently

1:47:36pike accidents here for

1:47:39>> I mean just start kind of needle down a

1:47:41little bit with all that data.

1:47:44>> Yeah. It's not our safety action plan,

1:47:46but um yeah, you'll be able to explore

1:47:48it on your own. And ideally, we'll be

1:47:50able to integrate the monthly reports

1:47:52with that dashboard, so it'll all be in

1:47:54the same format. Right now, we only have

1:47:58through 2025 in the dashboard, but

1:48:01hopefully we'll get a workflow with

1:48:03Ali's help where each month I can I can

1:48:06add the crashes.

1:48:07>> We just use that to make recommendations

1:48:09or really show people where we're seeing

1:48:12issues. Yeah, probably already you could

1:48:15filter for, you know, severe bike

1:48:17crashes and see where the busters pop

1:48:19up. Sure. Mostly on campus.

1:48:21>> Thinking for future planning people.

1:48:24>> That's great. It's a great

1:48:28>> Yeah, we're hoping

1:48:29>> like right now. The only thing with that

1:48:30is it's it's like you know 2025 is the

1:48:34latest date and so um until we can get

1:48:38to that point of bringing in crashes

1:48:39because also the crash statuses change

1:48:42throughout

1:48:43>> right

1:48:43>> over time in gear. So once you export it

1:48:45you you don't want to have to like

1:48:47overwrite it can be really tricky if you

1:48:49try to do live

1:48:52>> metrics for a while and it's hard

1:48:54>> 500 a month is a lot of data. Yeah. And

1:49:00there's got to be a way to maybe

1:49:03fix

1:49:05>> going to talk about that. Looking

1:49:06forward to at least expertise on getting

1:49:09workflow going not in the next month but

1:49:12in the next year for sure.

1:49:15>> All right. So going forward and this

1:49:16will probably just be we'll do kind of a

1:49:18quick regular meeting at our annual

1:49:19meeting I think but we'll have um crash

1:49:21report at the beginning and we'll talk

1:49:23about what this looks like going

1:49:25forward. Um, I'm gonna I hate that we

1:49:28don't have any more time for any other

1:49:30staff meetings or staff information. Um,

1:49:33I want to go ahead and move on to the

1:49:34housekeeping. Was there anything

1:49:36critical

1:49:37that y'all needed from us, Daniel, or

1:49:39that you needed to say

1:49:42staff report?

1:49:44>> I don't believe so.

1:49:45>> Yeah. Um, Sam, anything?

1:49:48>> Okay.

1:49:49Yeah. Um, so some housekeeping. Once

1:49:52again, our November meeting falls on um

1:49:54the week of Thanksgiving. Sometimes we

1:49:57keep it. I think most of the time we

1:49:58move it.

1:50:00So, um I would like to suggest or have a

1:50:04conversation about moving our November

1:50:07meeting to December and having it be our

1:50:08annual meeting either the 1st or the

1:50:118th. I think I would actually prefer the

1:50:15ETH. We'll have to get a report together

1:50:18and I don't expect anyone to look at a

1:50:20draft version of this report during the

1:50:22week of Thanksgiving.

1:50:23>> And just to clarify, this would also

1:50:26then take the place of December.

1:50:28>> Yeah.

1:50:29>> Say Jason is off that week, which is not

1:50:32a big deal.

1:50:33>> Yeah.

1:50:33>> The main staff is on. So,

1:50:36>> um but

1:50:38>> So, could everyone do um December 8th?

1:50:42>> Yes.

1:50:43>> All right. And it seems like Alan and Ed

1:50:45going out the door said they could do

1:50:47the 1st or the 8th. So we'll um we won't

1:50:49have that meeting

1:50:52November 24th. That will be moved to

1:50:55December 8th and that will function as

1:50:57our annual meeting. So, we'll have

1:51:00crash report on the agenda

1:51:03and hopefully not too much else because

1:51:05we'll talk about the the year review and

1:51:07um some planning and um

1:51:11>> um

1:51:13>> and please um be on

1:51:17more emails for about that draft

1:51:22um year and review and we'll also need

1:51:24to have a work plan as well. And so the

1:51:27things that go on the work plan are

1:51:29really our policy items and anything

1:51:32that might come before mayor and

1:51:34commission. So I think mainly I'll need

1:51:36to work with staff and see if we're

1:51:37going to bring back up things like the

1:51:38bike lane ordinance.

1:51:40Um

1:51:42yeah, but I'm not sure what else, but it

1:51:45doesn't have to be like everything that

1:51:46we're going to do. Just the stuff that

1:51:48comes before commission.

1:51:51>> Yeah,

1:51:52>> there might that might I think Sam was

1:51:55pointing out that

1:51:57I just want that's a potential December

1:51:598th is a potential date for connect

1:52:02Athens public input um

1:52:05>> okay

1:52:06>> which is the Hawthorne

1:52:08um Avenue Alps road corridor uh the

1:52:11reconnecting communities so I don't know

1:52:15what time that might be uh

1:52:20consider if y'all wanted to be able to

1:52:23go to that

1:52:25>> it would

1:52:26It may overlap but we can also try to

1:52:28work around that and that's for

1:52:30scheduling. I don't know how final those

1:52:33dates are.

1:52:33>> I think that was just a date of December

1:52:358th that was

1:52:38um

1:52:39timing or location.

1:52:44>> I'll have to check on the availability

1:52:45of this room um because it's not our

1:52:47normal uh set Tuesday. So it could be

1:52:51American mission night. Mayor Commission

1:52:54night is um December 1st, I think.

1:52:58>> Well, that's the vote. The work sessions

1:53:00for the 2nd.

1:53:02Um but I just I need to take

1:53:04availability of this room. Also, the

1:53:07only the only staff update I have is

1:53:09that we are moving offices um to Avenue

1:53:14>> is uh probably in November. Um, as part

1:53:17of that, we're going to try to have a

1:53:20conference room that I don't I don't

1:53:23know if we'll have space to host these

1:53:25meetings there, but we could potentially

1:53:28have that as a hosted space. Um,

1:53:30depending on how I don't know if it'll

1:53:32be done in time, but if this once this

1:53:36building gets demolished,

1:53:39we need like we have reserved the next

1:53:41year of this room. I don't know that

1:53:44this room will be here for the next

1:53:45year, but we have reserved it.

1:53:47>> We can bring our popup tent.

1:53:50>> So, um we will search for alternative

1:53:53meeting location, but that could be one

1:53:55where we'll do some live streaming from

1:53:58from that and it would be it's over on

1:54:00Prince Avenue. Anyway, we'll talk more

1:54:02about that. Uh I can either do it

1:54:04through email or next meeting. I guess

1:54:06that is the never mind final meeting.

1:54:09All right, I'm going to go ahead and put

1:54:10us down for um December 8th pending and

1:54:13then availability and scheduling.

1:54:17Yeah. Um the other thing is um I'm

1:54:20rolling off the commission at the end of

1:54:22the year

1:54:24um to focus on school. I just it doesn't

1:54:27allow for my schedule. Um, so yeah, we

1:54:30will need y'all

1:54:33new leadership

1:54:35>> and I think we're um unfortunately sorry

1:54:37to do this y'all. I think that we're

1:54:38between more authority and commission

1:54:41cycles. Um, so it might be a while

1:54:44before you have someone come in. Um, but

1:54:47yeah, I think uh plan being passed and

1:54:51the end of the the GES era, I think it's

1:54:54a good time and we'll talk more about

1:54:58we'll have a nice little recap in our

1:54:59annual meeting. Talk about the the early

1:55:02years of the Athens Emotion Commission.

1:55:04>> Will that be your last meeting?

1:55:06>> The annual meeting.

1:55:07>> Wow.

1:55:09>> Yep.

1:55:11>> I can't do this without you.

1:55:13>> Oh, yeah. [laughter]

1:55:14you staff do all they do all the work.

1:55:16>> When would when would you have normally

1:55:18rolled off anyway? It would have been

1:55:20like within a year, wouldn't it?

1:55:22>> It was 2028.

1:55:24>> 28. Okay. Yeah. So, I'm rolling off next

1:55:27year. So,

1:55:28>> yeah, we've got the we got three coming

1:55:30up next year for

1:55:33Art is eligible for reappoint.

1:55:36believe Teresa

1:55:39>> rolling off and Randy is is he in his

1:55:43first or second? Randy is up as well,

1:55:46but I think he

1:55:48he came on in 2021, so I think that he

1:55:50has another full term he could do.

1:55:54But uh

1:55:55>> it's been um eight years or not seven,

1:55:59six,

1:56:00>> seven, I think. 2019.

1:56:01>> 2019. Yeah, you're right. Yeah, seven

1:56:03years.

1:56:04So

1:56:05>> 8:21 2019 was the first meeting. I have

1:56:08your attendance record. [laughter]

1:56:11>> Thank you.

1:56:13>> You and Teresa are the only ones who go

1:56:14down that far.

1:56:15>> I know we we're the long-term members

1:56:18here.

1:56:19>> Yeah. All right. I know we're we're over

1:56:22and we started late. Technically, we're

1:56:23within two hours if we consider when we

1:56:26started the meeting.

1:56:27>> Um so with that, I will entertain a

1:56:30motion to adjourn our meeting.

1:56:34First by Gabriella.

1:56:36>> Have you had a vote yet today?

1:56:40>> I don't care.

1:56:42>> Second. Yeah. Second.

1:56:45>> All those in favor?

1:56:46>> All right. Thank you.

1:56:48>> Bye.

1:56:49>> Have a good evening.

1:56:51>> Bye.

1:56:52>> Just dropped that bombshell on us.

1:56:55>> Yeah.

1:56:57>> Trying not to have it like the meeting.

1:56:58You know,

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