2026-09-08 - Mayor and Commission Work Session

00:07All right, everyone. Uh, welcome to our

00:09Tuesday, September 8th, 2026 work

00:11session here, Dory Street with the Adams

00:14Park County Mayor and Commission. We

00:15have three items on the agenda today. Uh

00:18first we'll speak about the judicial

00:19center updates then move on to the

00:21public safety updates and finally

00:24conclude with updates from national EMS

00:27sort of a conjoined set of safety items

00:30that we have in front of us today. Um as

00:32with all large capital projects of

00:34course we tend to see that project

00:36evolve as time moves forward and we get

00:39closer and closer and closer to kind of

00:41a buildable version. Um and so that's

00:43what we're going to begin with today.

00:44Okay, I'll go ahead and turn it over to

00:45manager Bobcy remarks.

00:48>> Thank um just kind of get the table set

00:51and then turn it over to the text to

00:53kind of walk you through. Um just as a

00:55reminder kind of where we are in the

00:57process. So back in June, the commission

01:00took a number of steps that had led to

01:02this step. Those included approval of

01:05120 West Dory Street as the site for the

01:08new new judicial center. Approval of

01:10updating the project concept,

01:13authorizing staff to advance the

01:16proposed project concept schematic

01:17design, which is what we'll

01:18predominantly be talking about here, and

01:20then adopting the resolution to amend

01:22the urban redevelopment plan and

01:23establish the urban redevelopment

01:25agency. um as we as we kind of go

01:28through and we'll talk about what's next

01:30after this at the end of the

01:31presentation but just to give you a bit

01:33of a preview um there will be it is

01:36anticipated that there'll be items on

01:38your October, November and December

01:40meetings um of taking this forward. So

01:43obviously with this being a work session

01:45the intent is to get you ready first

01:47foremost for the October meeting but

01:48also to give you a glimpse of some of

01:50the things you'll be looking to act upon

01:52in November and December as well. So,

01:55with that, I'm going to turn it over to

01:57the designers to kind of walk you

01:59through what's been going on um between

02:00June and now sort of where we have

02:03landed and then what those next steps

02:04might look like as well.

02:05>> Very good. Thank you. Well, again, just

02:07in case you forgot, my name is R Smith.

02:09I'm with Croftton Associates. I'm the

02:11principal in charge. Uh what we're going

02:13to be presenting to you today is what

02:15we're calling SG1. So, it's a progress

02:17set of our schematic design process. Uh

02:20obviously we've moved forward from the

02:23concept phase which you saw the last

02:25time we were here. So with that I'm

02:27going to turn it over to Todd and we'll

02:29get started.

02:30>> All right. Thank you again. My name is

02:32Todd or with the DR group architect and

02:34part of the fragr team. Happy to be here

02:37today to present updates to the judicial

02:40center. Um as you will see here in a

02:43moment a [clears throat] lot of progress

02:44has been made since June and we're

02:46excited about where we're at. continued

02:48a very collaborative process uh not only

02:52with our user groups and stakeholders

02:53but also engaging the community and that

02:56was one of the big things that you asked

02:58us to do coming out of the initial site

03:00approval back in June. So our agenda

03:03here today is to kind of walk through

03:04that community engagement and a really

03:07big feature of the presentation today is

03:09to look at the exterior concept. There's

03:11a lot of conversation about what the

03:13building is going to look like. So, we

03:14have some great information to share

03:15with you that today. Also providing you

03:18some updates on the site plan, where

03:20we're at in the planning, and then we're

03:23going to conclude with some information

03:24on the current status of the cost

03:26estimate and the next steps moving

03:28forward.

03:30So, with that, um, when we're here in

03:32June, one of the things that we heard

03:34loud and clear was that the community

03:35would be part of this process to develop

03:38a new judicial center, uh, for downtown

03:40Athens. So, what we have done since we

03:43were last here is we've had two

03:46one-on-one kind of workshops with the AM

03:49church. We've also had a one-on-one

03:51workshop with local businesses. Then one

03:54of the big things that we accomplished

03:55in that time since we were here is a

03:58open house where we invited the

04:00community here in this room and we

04:02presented information and garnered

04:03feedback on the building site uh

04:06building aesthetic building interior

04:09aspirations

04:11ideas principles uh that we thought

04:13would be important that the community

04:15could bring forward to us and what the

04:17building should ultimately be to serve

04:19the citizens of Apples Park County.

04:22Running parallel to that is we also had

04:24an online survey that was mimicking some

04:26of the information that we brought

04:28forward during the open house. So for

04:30those of you who are here we had six

04:32boards uh one on the site uh one on the

04:35organization of the building of the who

04:37is actually going to be located in the

04:39courthouse. Um the exterior massing I

04:42got some feedback on what the building

04:44want to look like. Um the interior

04:46environments uh the exterior expression

04:48and some guiding principles.

04:51So with that, this first slide here kind

04:53of summarizes a couple of the items and

04:55sort of the three big buckets we're

04:57calling the interior environment,

04:58building design. And this particular

05:01slide on building design is not what it

05:02looks like. This is more about

05:04performance and durability as you would

05:06see in that slide. Then also really

05:09robust conversations on the site

05:11response. So specific to the interior

05:13environment, I'm not going to go through

05:15these, you know, one by one, but one of

05:17the things that overlaps between the

05:19inter interior environment and the

05:21building design was essentially a

05:23concept that was welcoming and serve the

05:25citizens of Athens Car County. As it

05:28relates to the site response, there was

05:30a lot of information as you can imagine

05:32about centered around parking, how the

05:34building will be sensitive to parking,

05:36you know, today and moving forward and

05:38what would that look like. uh

05:40conversations about the moon tree and

05:42can the design of the new judicial

05:44center accommodate the moon tree on the

05:46site and and what was the feedback that

05:48we got from the community when putting

05:50it out there for their response. And we

05:52did get responses obviously about the

05:54importance of the moon tree here on the

05:55site. And another key factor that we'll

05:58need to consider moving forward is

06:01obviously the neighbors and the local

06:02businesses that are in and around the

06:04site as this project were to break

06:06ground and start moving forward being

06:08very sensitive to our neighbors as the

06:10building goes into construction. Then

06:13also about the traffic and vehicle flow

06:15in and around the site as the building

06:16starts to come out of the ground and how

06:18we're sensitive to maintaining ongoing

06:20access to the site and also the

06:22businesses and shops and uh neighbors

06:26around the site as we move forward.

06:30So with that, let's spend a little bit

06:32more time on the exterior expression.

06:34Again, there was a lot of feedback that

06:36came both from one-on-one conversations

06:38when we had our open house and also

06:40online with the survey. And first and

06:43foremost, you know, sorts a common theme

06:44was the building should look like a

06:46warehouse. You know, we should be able

06:47to identify that as a building of

06:49importance within downtown Athens.

06:53When we talk about uh the color of the

06:55building, we had some example images

06:57that were presented. And there was a

06:59general consensus that more of a lighter

07:01tone to the courthouse. And as you can

07:03see in some of the examples that we'll

07:04show here in a minute, a lot of the

07:06civic architecture in downtown is more

07:08of a lighter tone building. Existing

07:11historic courthouse as an example is

07:13more of a kind of a blonde kind of a

07:15light colored brick. And we also have

07:17the existing post office and city hall

07:20all in that light color tone. When

07:22talking about architectural character,

07:25if you look at the percentages as it

07:27identified, architectural character, if

07:29you look at traditional at around 46%

07:32and then you combine sort of

07:33contemporary or of a blended of

07:35contemporary and traditional design, you

07:37put those two together, it is really

07:39almost a 5050 split on kind of building

07:42aesthetic and how the building should

07:44represent not only the Athens, Clark

07:46County, you know, the traditional

07:47aspects of Athens clar county as a

07:49classic city, but also being a building

07:51of its time of this place and about a

07:53core house of today.

08:02So with that information and feedback,

08:04you know, the design team sort of jumped

08:06in with B feet and kind of started

08:07looking at as I mentioned as I presented

08:09these examples earlier and what are some

08:12examples of specific buildings that are

08:14currently existing within downtown

08:16Athens? I'm going to share. I know you

08:18can't see this, but my neighbor came up

08:22to me, just so happened Saturday

08:24morning, I was out doing yard work and

08:25she grew up in Iowa and she knew that I

08:28was an architect and she knew that I was

08:31design courous and she presented this to

08:33me and just said, you know, it was

08:35something that was special to her and

08:36wanted me to have it. And I thought it

08:37was so very appropriate to how people

08:40identify with the courouses and judicial

08:42centers in their communities. And some

08:45of it transcends aesthetic and it's just

08:47an emotional connection that we make to

08:49those buildings. She talked about her

08:51father, her grandfather I should say,

08:53was a commissioner in says Washington,

08:55Iowa and about her time in the cliff

08:57house and just being at the courthouse

08:59steps. You know, something about the

09:01emotion and the power of a civic

09:03building of this importance. So this is

09:05something we take you know very you know

09:08close to heart as we start to look at

09:10the evolution of developing a courthouse

09:13and dishal center in downtown Athens. So

09:15the examples here on the screen were

09:17obviously selected specifically because

09:19they are examples of your civic

09:21architecture in downtown Athens. There's

09:24again you see that that connection to

09:26the lighter building tone sort of

09:28separate from the red brick that was

09:30more you know maybe university oriented

09:31or or um commercial buildings. something

09:34that's very prevalent in the images that

09:36you see here on the screen, the notions

09:37of the colonade, how the building sort

09:39of addresses the skyline, the notion of

09:41a clock tower or a tower-like element

09:44that's brought in from the traditional

09:45civic architecture.

09:48So, those are all things that were sort

09:49of in our thought process as we started

09:51moving forward and and developing sort

09:53of the idea and exterior aesthetic after

09:56the new judicial center. So, we take a

09:58step back. One of the things we started

09:59with as we looked at the West Ry street

10:01site from an operational standpoint

10:04wanted to maximize the amount of

10:06building footprint that we could achieve

10:07on the site also while being sensitive

10:09to our neighbors at the aming church and

10:11also being able to be a building that's

10:14connected to the downtown fabric. So we

10:17started with this image on the left

10:19which is more of our sort of building

10:20footprint and then understanding how can

10:22we start to sculpt and shape the

10:24building to make it meaningful and

10:26create that sense of arrival and a

10:28building that responds to the site. And

10:31what we started to do is that we started

10:33to shape the building. We saw the

10:34building as sort of as having two

10:36featured corners. One would be the

10:39corner of Dhy and Lumpin which would be

10:41on the southeast corner and then the

10:43northwest corner as it approached the

10:46historic AM church. And so how can that

10:49building massing start to one break

10:51itself down in its scale create a sense

10:53of arrival on the front at Dy and Lumpin

10:56and then on the northwest corner as it

10:58addresses the historic church how can we

11:00again step the overall building masking

11:03down so it's very sensitive to that

11:05neighbor. And then on the far right hand

11:07side, there's some elements of

11:09architectural things that we started

11:11looking at from this example images. How

11:13do we look at maybe some tower elements

11:15to define and frame the entrance? How

11:17can we start to scale the building down

11:19at the entry, create that sense of

11:21arrival and pedestrian approach to make

11:24it very important as it relates to a new

11:26judicial center and downtown path.

11:31So the next set of slides really starts

11:32to take using the image in the bottom

11:35left which is your existing historic

11:37warehouse and starting to look at how

11:40does this elevation of the building

11:42start to break down and articulate

11:44itself and and nestle the building

11:46within the local context. So one of the

11:49things I want to point out on this

11:50particular slide which is something that

11:52will need to be discussed in the October

11:54meeting is that currently as the

11:56building is designed it is going to

11:58exceed the 100 ft height limitation.

12:02So the the dimension that's on the right

12:04hand side at 111 ft that's just taking

12:07it from the corner of Dian Lumpin. So

12:10that is the highest point of the site.

12:12But when we calculate uh the air the

12:15height above the 100 feet it actually is

12:17taken from the average grade around the

12:20site. So as you can appreciate as the

12:23building the site falls as become west

12:26on Dhy there's a much lower grade level.

12:29So the actual difference between the 100

12:31ft just for clarity is 125 ft when we

12:34take the average grade around the site.

12:37In either case, we're exceeding that 100

12:39foot height limitation, but that'll be

12:41something that will be required of

12:43variance as we move forward. Just wanted

12:45to be clear on that particular detail at

12:47the building today.

12:51So, we start to layer in the notion of

12:53how do we start to articulate the

12:55building form and the building mass to

12:57scale it down to be sensitive to local

13:00context and local scale. So on the

13:03bottom left image you see the

13:05architecture of the historic courthouse.

13:07So there's a very what we're calling a

13:09very defined base of the building and

13:11what we're trying to do is on our

13:13particular judicial center design is

13:15looking at how do we define the base of

13:17our building and the threetory height of

13:20the building. How can we start to scale

13:22the building down? It's something we

13:23thought was very important to integrate

13:25the building within this context.

13:28And as we move up the building, again,

13:30looking at the historic courthouse as a

13:33point of reference, there's a very clear

13:35cornice or data line that starts to

13:37break this the building down into scale

13:39once again at the upper levels of the

13:41building. And I'll use the kind of the

13:44pointer here. You can see that line that

13:46we're sort of imagining here as a data

13:48line and corners line. And again, on the

13:50historic courthouse, you see that same

13:52level of architectural detail that

13:54defines that sort of upper portion of

13:56the courthouse.

14:00As we move to the next slide, another

14:02opportunity is to sort of create this

14:04upper zone of the building which we're

14:06calling the sort of the top or the attic

14:08and that is also reflected in the

14:10existing historic courthouse. So it's

14:12again a way the building sort of

14:14transitions in its overall height and

14:16how it sort of the building very much

14:18resolves itself at the skyline. It's

14:20something different from the commercial

14:21building. the building steps down and

14:23sort of breaks it down in different

14:25portions sort of where the base, middle,

14:26top kind of connotation as relates to

14:29our civic architecture.

14:31>> An easy question here architectural

14:34knowledge. You're using our courthouse

14:37as a referential image and you just

14:41shared that you are known for designing

14:43you know courouses. Are these same you

14:48know you're basing it on R1 courthouse.

14:50Are these um referential

14:54places on courouses in general or is

14:57this uh would one see this kind of

14:59similar thing looking at other courouses

15:02or is it all based on our just trying to

15:06make it familiar for us because we have

15:08this.

15:09Yes. And so certainly if you look at

15:12traditional courthouse architecture, you

15:14know, there is the notion of basable

15:16top. That's a very strong architectural

15:18language that's imparted on our civic

15:20buildings. And your courthouse happens

15:22to have that as well.

15:23>> Okay.

15:24>> Sort of a yes and so to speak. Um we

15:27like to kind of give those sort of

15:28points of commonality as we start to

15:30then when we look into the design we

15:32brought forward and understanding how

15:33that's interpreted and brought forward

15:35on the design that we're going to

15:36present here today. So these are these

15:39are images or details that you would be

15:41if you were like giving a course on

15:44public building architectural components

15:47in some ways. Yes.

15:48>> Okay. Yes. Thank you.

15:52>> And then sort of reinforcing the how the

15:54building can resolve itself at the

15:55skyline. The notion of this kind of

15:57cornis line which is also present

16:00historic courthouse. And finally, one

16:02thing that actually is not on the

16:04historic warehouse is in some of the

16:05civic examples that we gave is the

16:08notion of sort of a tower element and

16:09how can that be used to sort of identify

16:11again identify the building on the

16:14skyline and creating that sense of

16:15presence and arrival.

16:18So with that, we're going to transition

16:21to a series of images and renderings

16:23that represent how we bringing forward

16:25some of those connections to the

16:28traditional architecture and making a

16:30building that is representative of a

16:32building of today, of his time, and of

16:34his place and how we're interpreting

16:36that for downtown Athens Park County. So

16:40the image here you see this perspective

16:42view is at the corner of Dy Street and

16:44Pumpkin Street. on the right hand side

16:46of the image you can see uh just in the

16:48profile the image of the uncommons. So

16:51the idea that the corner entrance now is

16:54very much being very much drawing people

16:56into the front of the building there is

16:57a level of transparency bringing some of

16:59the conversations that we heard from the

17:02community feedback about a building

17:03that's welcoming and inviting. So we

17:06want to create a sense of you know civic

17:08presence with the building but also make

17:10the building feel very approachable.

17:13Going down to the left hand side of this

17:15image along Dhy Street, we have

17:17introduced a colonade and we'll explain

17:20that a little bit more when we get into

17:21the next image because it's creating a

17:24little bit of a layering and

17:25transparency on that edge. It's creating

17:26a little bit of a civic zone that people

17:29can enjoy the building. kind of like the

17:30building that we're in today. There is a

17:32a smaller scale kind of colony type

17:34element, kind of a breezeway if you

17:36will, that allows people to engage with

17:38the building at the edge along Dhy

17:40Street, but it's not necessarily, you

17:42know, obviously bring you into the

17:43courthouse itself.

17:45The top of the building, we are looking

17:47at that sort of attic or that cornice

17:49line that we referenced from the

17:51historic courthouse traditional

17:53architecture. So there at the upper

17:55floor there's a stepping back of the

17:57building creating more of a lighter top

17:59or cap to the building with kind of an

18:01eyebrow or corner sign around the top

18:03that creates that resolution at the

18:04skyline.

18:06And then at the center between the tower

18:08elements that are framing the entrance.

18:10There's a little bit of a crown kind of

18:12architecture that ties those towers

18:14together and provides again that sense

18:16of moment of arrival and sense of

18:19presence there at the corner of Dy

18:21Street and Luford.

18:26So if we go back to now what would be

18:29the the northwest corner of the site, we

18:31mentioned earlier in sort of the overall

18:33sort of massing and architecture of the

18:36building that we see that the site is

18:38really addressing kind of two corners

18:39that front which would be the southeast

18:41corner at Lumpin and Dhy and then also

18:43the corner here in the northwest back

18:45behind the uh the historic Amy church at

18:50the intersection of Hall Street. So here

18:52from this view you can clearly see the

18:54building architecture stepping down from

18:56what is the sixstory height to now that

18:59threetory height and scale. So we're

19:01doing what we can to mitigate the

19:03overall impact and visual impact uh at

19:05the historic church and creating that

19:07more sensitive relationship between uh

19:10the courthouse and the existing historic

19:12church.

19:17Coming back around to what would be more

19:19of a true elevational view along Dherty

19:22Street on the far right hand side you

19:25can see the sort of the corner presence

19:26of the building that's really addressing

19:29uh the building as it sits on kind of

19:30the northern edge of of downtown. And

19:33what what we don't quite have yet in the

19:36renderings yet is the development in the

19:37North Athens develop downtown

19:39development which will be beyond um the

19:41courthouse as the development and strong

19:44street is continuing to come through and

19:45what the backdrop will be for the

19:47building. So [clears throat] right now

19:48that is not referenced because we don't

19:50have that information just yet. So the

19:51building will feel like it's part of

19:53that overall context as well. And we

19:55feel like the notion of this corner

19:57entrance is really providing a lot of

19:59opportunities for us to make the

20:01building really connect downtown both

20:03going towards the heart of the historic

20:05downtown also a gesture going to the

20:08north of past Lumpin Street. So the the

20:11building does create at that corner

20:12entrance kind of a multi-point of entry

20:14and access that is going to be very

20:16important not only from pedestrians

20:18coming from parking but also how it

20:19engages the continued development uh

20:22north and downtown. At this view, you

20:25can see more clearly what we're calling

20:27sort of the colonade or breezeway along

20:29Dhy Street. And there is this notion or

20:32a gesture. There's opportunities to get

20:33underneath that breezeway. It's really

20:35kind of an amenity space, if you will,

20:37for those jurors, as an example, who

20:39come to the courthouse and have have a

20:41break between court. They can come out

20:42and sit on those steps and be able to

20:44get out of the courthouse and have a

20:46moment of of pause. It's also surveying

20:49individuals in downtown navigating along

20:51Dory Street. It's a nice moment of pause

20:53within the downtown sort of creating its

20:55own civic space where there's not really

20:58um any of that today.

21:02And finally, the last view that we have

21:04from the exterior side is um west on Dhy

21:09Street looking up the hill. And you can

21:11kind of see again as we know the the

21:14extreme gray change as the building

21:16starts as the site starts to fall coming

21:18to the west on Dherty Street. And that

21:20colonade exen creates a little bit of a

21:23threetory referential point along Harvey

21:26Street and transitions that scale. So

21:28there is that sort of threetory data

21:30mind if you will across the massing of

21:33the building. Here you can see the

21:35stepping down of the massing at this

21:37back corner again relating more to the

21:40scale of the church and being sensitive

21:42to that that particular edge. In this

21:45view, you can clearly see what we're

21:46calling the top or the attic and that

21:48corner line around framing the top and

21:50creating resolution at the skyline with

21:53the tower elements, you know, creating

21:54that frame at the entrance and sort of

21:56the book end to the exterior elevation.

22:05So, quickly we're going to kind of go

22:06through some information on the site. So

22:09in response to the conversations about

22:12the mood tree, we are presenting two

22:14site options for consideration. So this

22:16one is considered our basis of the

22:18design and really the driver between the

22:20two on this particular option. This

22:22shows what we're calling a maximized

22:24parking area to the west of the judicial

22:26center. So here just to the left or to

22:29the west of the judicial center, we have

22:31around 26 exterior spaces that will be

22:35serving the judicial center um during

22:37business hours and the opportunity for

22:39those spaces to be transitioned for

22:41other uses on the evenings or weekends

22:44as we work through the logistics of

22:46that. that is that opportunity to there

22:48create a little bit of a engagement and

22:50being supportive of the local

22:54neighborhood

22:56just for orientation. You know, Dhy

22:57Street here to the bottom, Lumpin Street

23:00running north and south. So the entrance

23:02again in the plan you start to see that

23:05connection from the intersection of

23:06Lumpin and Dhy the bus stop just to the

23:09right or to the east of Lumpin would

23:12drop off and then you'd be able to come

23:13in at grade walking in from ADA access

23:17across Lumpin into the front what we

23:19call our front entry plaza. The red

23:21arrows represent secure movement uh for

23:25those who are coming to the courthouse.

23:27And then along Strong Street and the

23:30blue arrow, we have our service area

23:32along Strong Street. So maintaining a

23:35very civic and public edge along Dhy and

23:38Lumpin and more secure private edges

23:40along Strong Street to the north.

23:45>> Quickly going to our second site option,

23:47which we call our alternate version.

23:50It abbreviates to the west of the

23:52courthouse that surface parking lot and

23:54it goes from 26 spaces down to 17

23:57exterior spaces. And what that allows us

23:59to do is create a pocket park, but it

24:02actually embraces and preserves the tend

24:05to preserve the moon tree in that

24:06location. So it does create a more

24:09natural buffer between the judicial

24:11center and the am church creating more

24:13of a landscape kind of green space um

24:16between the judicial center and the am

24:18church. again providing that same

24:21colonade and breezeway as an amenity

24:23space which would start to engage that

24:25opportunity of this pocket park.

24:28Everything else about the site plan is

24:30identical entry and access points uh for

24:32secure movement. Uh the service drive to

24:36the north and the main pedestrian access

24:39at the corner of Dhy Street and Bonan

24:42Street.

24:45And just to kind of wrap up sort of the

24:47status of the overall project, we're

24:49going to close with our building

24:50planning. And so when we were here last,

24:53we talked we only had, you know,

24:54basically block what we call block

24:56plans. We knew who was going to be in

24:58the building, but we had not laid out

25:00the spaces room by room. But one of the

25:03things we maintain throughout the design

25:04process as it relates to the building

25:06planning is really to maintain sort of

25:08the operational objectives and making

25:10sure that we have these operational

25:12efficiencies about how we've organized

25:14the building floor by floor vertically

25:16making it very user friendly a high

25:18volume of publicly access spaces on the

25:21lower levels and the courts and more

25:23private areas as we move up taller in

25:26the building.

25:31So just to give you a little bit of the

25:32understanding of the detail that's been

25:34developed, we went from what we call

25:36blocking plans, which is just a series

25:38of allocations of space per department

25:40within the building. Now we have room by

25:43room layouts at each department for each

25:46floor down to the detail of conference

25:49rooms, um, restrooms, building support,

25:52building service spaces. So we have you

25:54know extreme amount of detail that's

25:56been accomplished since our June time

25:58that we were together and we have that

26:00information for within the building and

26:02that's all been developed with

26:03individual workshops with the

26:05stakeholders understanding how they want

26:07to you know greet their customers how

26:08does the public service counter interact

26:10with the public and how their staff work

26:12together and be able to make the

26:14building very operationally efficient.

26:16So this is just an overview for what the

26:18building planning is for now, but we do

26:20have that information and if there's any

26:22details, we're happy to to cover that.

26:27So with that,

26:31>> we'll do questions right after they do

26:33the I think there's a couple more slides

26:34here. There's there's two more views

26:37that

26:38we showed uh at the June meeting. One is

26:43the financial picture and the other is

26:44where we're sitting in the timeline. So

26:47this is a financial picture similar to

26:48what you saw in June. A couple of things

26:50that I like to highlight in this

26:52financial picture. One are the

26:54contingencies that we typically build in

26:56really to any major construction. It is

27:01uh kind of under that first blue line.

27:03uh you see 10% of design contingency

27:07and then down at the bottom of that

27:09lefth hand column you'll see a project

27:11contingency. Both of those are 10%. One

27:14is just 10% of the overall project. One

27:16is 10% of the construction. You'll also

27:18see an assumption in there towards the

27:21bottom of that lefth hand column that's

27:23a reservation of uh what would be needed

27:26to relocate the staff that's in this

27:28building. Um and and and there are a

27:32number of other important items that we

27:34feel like it's just important to break

27:35out here for transparency. Um if you

27:38look over on the right hand side, a

27:40number of things that you will see. One

27:42is that of this project budget, remember

27:45that 9.2 million has been reserved for

27:49continuing to take care of the existing

27:51courthouse.

27:52There are there are needs there. there

27:55will continue to be needs there um

27:57throughout construction of the new

27:59facility and that 9.2 comes out of this

28:03project budget as well. Um and so the

28:07number that I want to highlight today is

28:10uh right hand side at the bottom is 162

28:15million. So when we get around to

28:19authorizing the bond financing, this is

28:22the number that drives the principle

28:24that you would be looking for in your

28:26bond financing. And I will point out

28:28that um from June until now, that is a

28:327% increase that the overall project is

28:34a 7% increase from what you saw in June.

28:373% of that, if you already break that

28:39down, 3% of that is primarily related to

28:43the interior buildout as was mentioned

28:46in the concept ma make some assumptions

28:48about what's going to be needed inside

28:50the building. As we proceed with

28:53schematic design, those things become

28:55clearer. We know more about what's

28:57necessary inside the structure of the

28:59building. uh the remaining 3% is um a

29:05factor that everything up there you'll

29:07see that kind of center column that

29:09represents a percentage of the overall

29:12construction budget which is there at

29:13the top. So it's just a factor that

29:15everything else is a percent of of the

29:18construction budget. We did also

29:20increase the construction escalation the

29:22assumpt the assumed escalation in um and

29:26prices. It was 5%, it's now 6% reflected

29:29in this particular budget. So, those are

29:32just a couple things I wanted to

29:33highlight on here. You might have

29:35questions on this one, but I just wanted

29:37to point that out. Um, and then we can

29:40go, if you wouldn't mind going to the

29:41next slide.

29:47Manager Cal mentioned initially kind of

29:51in June, we did four important things.

29:55Uh the way I think about it, there are

29:57two parallel efforts here going on that

30:00need to be coordinated with one another.

30:03One is the engineering and homework

30:05necessary to bring this facility to

30:07life. The engineering and architecture.

30:11Uh the other is

30:13um the bureaucratic processes necessary

30:17to resource this uh project with what it

30:21needs to be successful.

30:23Two things you did in June uh are select

30:28this site and also approve the building

30:31concept. Those things are to help bring

30:33this facility to life. The other two

30:35things that you did in June was to uh

30:38amend the urban redevelopment plan and

30:41to create an urban redevelopment agency.

30:44That's the plan financing mechanism that

30:47you would use to supply the resources

30:49necessary for this project. Where we are

30:52now is the building schematic. So this

30:56is about uh this is about

31:00[clears throat] picture of the facility

31:02itself and you would see that at the

31:04October uh vote meeting. Um then in

31:08there's a series of decisions then after

31:10that that I just want to prepare you for

31:12so that you have a a view preview of

31:15those. In November, you would see some

31:18documentation related to uh the urban

31:22redevelopment agency and the

31:23relationship between the mayor and

31:24commission and that agency in order to

31:27prepare for funding.

31:29And then in December uh as we have it uh

31:32have the timeline at the moment, you

31:35would see the selection of the

31:36construction manager. If you remember,

31:38we're using a delivery method here

31:40that's construction manager at risk,

31:42meaning we will bring on the builder

31:45earlier in the process so that they can

31:47help in this final design phase um that

31:50we're about to enter. Um so October is

31:54the building schematic along with some

31:56other sorts of decisions in there. uh

31:58November you will see um some decisions

32:02that are related to financing and bond

32:05issuances and then December selection of

32:07the construction manager. There are some

32:09other uh timelines there later in 2027

32:13but those are the immediate decisions

32:15that I wanted to make sure that you're

32:17aware of and that are coming to you.

32:19>> And and if I could just real briefly

32:21touch on three other points tied around

32:24cost estimates. Um, one of those is that

32:28costs continue to increase in the

32:30construction world. Um, as you can

32:32imagine within the context that we're

32:34working under with everything ranging

32:36from tariffs to fuel prices to a number

32:40of things which why you see the

32:40escalator number going up. Don't expect

32:43that to change as we go forward. So

32:44that's one thing to keep in mind. The

32:46second is this was also um the first

32:49time we brought in for this project an

32:51outside thirdparty estimator which is

32:54actually not been involved in design.

32:56They take the design look at it and do a

32:58much more detailed cost assessment. So

33:00that's the second factor. And the third

33:02is tied with the CM which is as as Josh

33:05has mentioned the whole intent of

33:07bringing the construction manager at

33:08risk in early in the design is to look

33:11for ways in which they can value

33:12engineer or reduce costs through the

33:15design leading up to a better price at

33:17the end of that. But I just want to

33:18touch on those quickly those three

33:20points around the cost aspect of it as

33:23well. So that is everything that we

33:25hear.

33:26>> Uh I'm Josh Todd. Thank you all. um uh

33:30questions or input from the group.

33:32>> Yeah. Um

33:34I'm I'm I'm looking at the this

33:37community engagement, the citizen

33:39commentary. Um

33:42and I I don't see a lot of that

33:44reflected in this design. Um I mean, I

33:47think it's a really cool design. It's

33:49really cool building, but to me it says

33:52more Starfleet Academy rather than

33:55classic city courthouse.

33:57um you know the community 46% of the

34:00community favored a traditional

34:03architectural character or and the 25%

34:06would favored a blended traditional and

34:08modern. To me this is very exclusively a

34:11modern building. I mean it's very cool

34:13modern building but I don't feel like it

34:15reflects that classic city character. Um

34:20and and I I also feel like it's it

34:23doesn't necessarily reflect the the

34:24concept of being welcoming. It's very um

34:27the entryway is extremely

34:30overcale, you know, more than human

34:32scale. Um I think the colonade

34:36um I don't feel like that engages the

34:39pedestrian realm. I I and I don't think

34:42the the form itself of the building I I

34:46I I like, but I feel like some some some

34:51subtle elements could could be changed

34:55to have it better reflect the character

34:59of our community and the desires that

35:01were relayed and some of that community

35:04engagement. Um I feel like that that

35:06south facing colonade is is really tall.

35:09I don't know know that that would have a

35:10very pragmatic effect and that's it's a

35:13south facing

35:15not going to get much shade out of a

35:17threetory colonade feel like shrinking

35:19that that lower colonade level could

35:22help engage the pedestrian realm more um

35:25maybe incorporating more arched or

35:27rounded columns into that um would help

35:30bring some of that classic city

35:32architecture into it. Um incorporating

35:36some brick detailing. I I believe we

35:38have design guidelines that really

35:40require brick detailing or a certain

35:42percent of brick facade for um you know

35:45if commercial developers were to come

35:47there um you know may maybe

35:50incorporating some kind of archway um

35:52more intimately scaled archedway entry

35:55in that front section um could help you

35:59I just feel like there's some very sharp

36:01sharp angles on here that um kind of go

36:05against the concept cept of it being a

36:07welcoming civic space. It's very um I

36:11mean it has almost a militaristic

36:14thing to it, which is is fine. You know,

36:17if if it were a different type of

36:19building.

36:21I mean, the form itself, I think, is

36:23cool. The way it it curves in

36:26rounded projection for the entry, but I

36:28feel like it could be softened a little

36:30around the edges with um maybe some more

36:33traditional rounded columns. um and and

36:36archways and and some brick detailing to

36:40break up the massing a little bit. Um

36:43and bringing that lower level down to

36:46the pedestrian level more and making

36:48that that south facing colonade a little

36:51more um a little more useful, a little

36:53more pragmatic, making it actually, you

36:56know, bring some shade in to the the

36:58street skate structure. Um

37:04um oh the green space, the site plan

37:06green space. Um

37:09I like the idea of the pocket park and

37:11definitely saving the moon tree. I'm

37:14kind of um wondering the green space on

37:17the Lumpin Street side. I don't feel

37:19that that's necessary. It's you know

37:21that's

37:23not going to be a very heavily traveled

37:25pedestrian realm. It's not not something

37:27that you're going to see. I'm wondering

37:28if we could bring that more green space

37:31to the Dherty Street side and get some

37:33of that shade on that south side um and

37:36and incorporate more of an engaging

37:39park-like element

37:40>> wrapping that corner on the Dhy street

37:42side towards the moon tree. Um, you

37:46know, I don't know that we need a very

37:47large park

37:50sphere, but um,

37:53you know, I I feel like, you know,

37:54understanding the you got a southwest

37:58you've got a southwest slope there. It's

38:01it's like the surface of Venus for a

38:03good part of the year. Um, and I feel

38:05like we could soften that and soften the

38:10um edges of the building and and make

38:12that which is going to be the the side

38:14of the building that is going to be most

38:16visible to the rest of the community um

38:19really soften that and make that more

38:21engaging.

38:23But yeah, I I really feel like, you

38:25know, the the community input that

38:28focused on, you know, traditional

38:30classic city welcoming. Um, I think that

38:34needs to be brought into the design and

38:36I don't think it merits like a full-on

38:39reason. I feel like some surface

38:41treatment to the skin of the structure

38:43could could help soften that and bring

38:45some of that more traditional classic

38:47city vibe into it. And I also feel like

38:50it would help break up the the massing

38:52of the building. I mean, I look at this

38:55little picture of the church, the

38:56building in the background, and it just

38:59really really overwhelms it. And I I

39:02feel like if there were some softer

39:04edges and some more brick incorporated

39:07into that facade, it would help blend in

39:11with the traditional architecture of our

39:13community. and just feels very very

39:17those there those that sharply edged

39:19roof feels very sharp

39:22you know and the very square squareed

39:24edged colonade. Um, I think just

39:27bringing some arches and some brick work

39:29and and lowering that that base element

39:33could help um make it feel a little more

39:36pedestrian friendly and um and and help

39:40it meet the scale of the the historic

39:43buildings next door a little more if you

39:44brought that that lower um anchoring

39:48element down a little bit.

39:50>> That's it for the analysis.

39:52>> Thank you, mayor. And um actually my

39:55colleagues she took some of the words

39:57out of my mouth about um as I talked

40:00about this earlier but I saw this plan

40:03about the impact that this tradition

40:05will have made on the church. I see the

40:08parking have been completely taken away.

40:10They park on the street right across the

40:12street um where the bank is located that

40:15parking at least showing here. That

40:18parking is gone. Right next to Sonovas.

40:21Um I don't see that parking. If you look

40:23at slides number 18, I'm sorry, number

40:2819, we got the church that was a park

40:30that's parking across the street from

40:31that church. It's not there. And then

40:34they had parking right in front of the

40:35church. It's gone when they made it to

40:37the desert site. So again, um, Sunday

40:41mornings is when they have their

40:42services, it be a whole lot of traffic,

40:45but at the same time, the people have to

40:46park somewhere and I don't see that it's

40:50designed right now.

40:52>> Can you go to the site plan because I

40:53because I just want to make sure

40:55>> I think in that case it's just the way

40:57the rendering is showing all the on

40:58street parking is remain. Matter of

41:00fact, we're actually looking at ways to

41:02add more on street parking. So I think

41:04this one um commission is probably more

41:07reflective of what the end condition

41:10would be whether the plot the the park

41:12is there or not which the 26 parking

41:15space at the courthouse.

41:17>> Correct. Correct. Yes. And that's what's

41:19there currently. So that space but

41:21you're talking about on on street. Yes.

41:23And that's why I wanted to show these if

41:24you look at it and it's easier to see in

41:27the kind of printed out version but the

41:29on street spaces all still remain. I

41:31think the only on street space that

41:33would be affected would be where the bus

41:35stop is going actually in front of the

41:37uncommon I believe. Is that that

41:39correct? So all the existing on street

41:40parking would remain. We're actually

41:42exploring if additional on street

41:44parking could be provided on strong

41:45street as well. So there would be

41:47hopefully more on street parking than

41:49exists today. But I think that rendering

41:51that you're looking so the you know the

41:533D ones are just not showing it in the

41:55same way that the site plan actually

41:56shows it. So, I just wanted to make sure

41:58that that was that that was

41:59>> Is there a slide number for that one or

42:01is that from

42:02>> 217?

42:04>> Yeah. Yeah.

42:05>> Oh, there it is. Thanks. And again,

42:07that's true whether it's the pocket park

42:09or the the on street park. I not the on

42:12street, but the parking lot. So, I just

42:14wanted to catch that. It doesn't show up

42:16in the renderings.

42:16>> And the pocket park eliminates a curb

42:18cut there. Is that right?

42:20>> Correct.

42:21>> You might have an additional space

42:22without a curb cut.

42:23>> Okay. And again to my colleague

42:26to Lake it really doesn't fit

42:30the character in my opinion what we

42:32trying to develop on that corner right

42:34now from what I'm looking at. Um the

42:36other question I got is the um cost.

42:40Um it seems to me correct me if I'm

42:44wrong.

42:47I know we supposed to um make approvals

42:50in October.

42:52So, we need to figure out how much this

42:54it's actually really going to cost us

42:56first and make sure we get the funding

42:58first before we approve anything. Um,

43:03trying to figure out.

43:04>> Yes. So, what you would be doing in

43:06October is setting, if you will, kind of

43:10a maximum price that you would be

43:13willing in effect to pay for the

43:14building. You would not be issuing, we

43:17would not be issuing any kind of debt.

43:19We would not be issuing any kind of

43:21construction bids or any of those kinds

43:23of things until we hit exactly that

43:25point that you mentioned because we do

43:26need to know that what what we're

43:27showing you right now is what is at this

43:31moment the estimated cost for this.

43:33It'll continue to be refined all the way

43:35through the process. You'll eventually

43:37end up with a guaranteed maximum price.

43:40It will not cost more than this which

43:42the contractor will be responsible for.

43:44And that's actually what you would be

43:45issuing debt for. So in October, what

43:48you'd be doing is setting an upper limit

43:50to that, saying we're not going to spend

43:52more than this. Now, if for some reason

43:54the estimate came back in, you know, I

43:55said costs are escalating over that,

43:57we'd have to come back and actually

43:58revisit that. But no debt is going to be

44:00issued until we get to that guaranteed

44:03maximum.

44:04>> Yeah. And Bob, I understand that

44:06[laughter]

44:08again. Just like if you're gonna build a

44:10house, you gonna find out how the money

44:12comes from build that house first before

44:14all these other things go into effect.

44:16And again, I'm just trying to understand

44:18it's time we do the reverse.

44:21And maybe somebody can correct me that

44:24financial maybe jud somebody tell me how

44:28we should be getting the funding piece

44:29together first. Start looking at all

44:32this.

44:32>> And I guess just to help me so I can so

44:34we can answer that question. us when you

44:36say get the funding piece first. Help me

44:39understand where

44:41>> October you start

44:44a fine design and permitting that cost

44:47started look at this million dollars

44:50>> um only on design.

44:52>> Okay.

44:52>> Right.

44:53>> Right. Which you're you're doing

44:54current. So yes. Yes.

44:55>> And then when we get to November I'm

44:58assuming that's when we're asking for

45:00this maximum amount.

45:01>> Right. That's when you're getting the

45:02upper limit of what you're saying we

45:04would be we are prepared to enter into

45:07agreement with the URA to issue up to no

45:10more than X number of dollars worth debt

45:12no issuance just getting that

45:14authorization that allows us to proceed

45:17with the final design and arriving at

45:20that guaranteed maximum cost with it.

45:23After that is when you would actually

45:24then determine what you would actually

45:26be issuing in in debt. That piece and

45:30then at that same time remember you're

45:32going to be having a side conversation

45:33too of how much of that do you hope

45:34would be ultimately retired through

45:36future sloths initiative. How much of

45:38that might otherwise be covered under

45:40any kind of um millage rate or any of

45:43those things because that has to also be

45:44determined as you go along.

45:46>> And that's too that's too tight to scare

45:48me. Um I know we got a squash that's

45:51going to be on the ballot um next year.

45:55Um but that doesn't pass.

45:57>> Correct. And we need to show you that.

45:58And what we will show you, so let's just

46:01say for example, we borrow $116 million

46:04to do this project. What we need to show

46:06you is what that would take of the 10

46:09years lost to service that debt for that

46:1110 years or what it would take um to

46:15serve that through a millage rate say

46:17spread out over a 30-year window for

46:19example because you need to know those

46:20things because we need to know those

46:22going in so that if you chose to put it

46:25on the SLOs referendum and the

46:26referendum didn't pass what the

46:28implications of that would would mean or

46:30you may choose not to put it on the

46:32referendum. you may decide you would

46:33rather actually do it through some sort

46:35of million rate. So yes, all of that

46:38will all be known will that conversation

46:41will actually begin as soon as September

46:43with your retreat. There'll be an

46:44element of that in the splashion and so

46:46yes that's why I want to make sure that

46:48I understood. So okay absolutely before

46:50we actually say go on the funding piece

46:53we need to answer every one of those

46:54questions that you just mentioned.

46:55>> And then the second thing is we got a a

46:58frost that's on November November.

47:02corrected.

47:02>> How would that impact correctly getting

47:05the paid? So,

47:06>> yes. And a really good example of that

47:07that we would want to show you is so

47:09let's say for example the SPLOS

47:11referendum was approved and that SPLOS

47:13referendum these are just hypotheticals

47:15but let's say that resulted in a

47:16reduction of six mills on that piece and

47:20say the option was either by choice we

47:23would pay for debt service through

47:25millage or the SPLOS didn't pass. We

47:27need to show you and the public if there

47:29was that six mill reduction associated

47:31with property tax relief that relief is

47:33still going to be there because it's

47:35required to be there by law but what the

47:38person would see if the courthouse were

47:40paid for through a millage increase. So

47:43in other words, you know, would that

47:44full benefit of that six mill be

47:47realized if you had to come back and

47:49actually add to it the cost of that? So

47:50yes, all of that has to be a part of

47:52that that discussion. So definitely and

47:54that's helpful. Thank you. that present.

47:56>> And and just a couple of calendar notes

47:57for everybody in the room. You know, the

47:59prospect is that the next splast would

48:02be March uh or May of 2028. So, we're

48:06talking in spring of 28. Um and then,

48:08you know, I think you brought up a great

48:09parallel in terms of individuals

48:11experience building a home. And of

48:13course, under those circumstances, if

48:15you think about a 12 or 18month home

48:17build, there's always going to be a

48:19little bit of foggess around like

48:21exactly which appliances does your

48:22spouse want in the kitchen and that kind

48:24of thing. And so oftentimes somebody's

48:25working with a line of credit and that

48:28in effect is kind of what we're talking

48:29about here. Um and of course then you've

48:31got this contemporary dynamic that I'm

48:33sure you're familiar with from other

48:34clients. Um where I have to imagine that

48:37anybody construction manager at risk or

48:39traditional financing building in a

48:41little bit of a buffer w with the lack

48:43of uncertainty about exactly what is

48:44that aluminum going to cost, what

48:46exactly is that lumber going to cost and

48:48and what's my fuel supplement going to

48:49have to be uh over the next couple of

48:51years. So we we're we ain't the best

48:54time.

48:55>> I know.

48:55>> I think everybody experiences that on

48:57>> that's my the best time. But you know

49:00that's what we get.

49:03>> Allison and Carol.

49:05>> Um yeah, I really like this design. I

49:09like the way that the curves at the

49:11corner. You've got the inward curve and

49:14then the outward curve for the lower

49:17levels. the light color um whatever the

49:20facade is going to be uh is in line

49:23y'all with the other parts of our c

49:26campuses downtown. The courthouse was a

49:28yellow brick. I think everything on city

49:30hall campus is so this is in line with

49:33that. The red brick is for other

49:36entities. Um, I think that having the

49:41top floor with the u mostly glass is is

49:45helpful to minimize its um scale. Um,

49:48you the amount of glass is also going to

49:51help uh reflect the sky versus having

49:55more um solid. So, I like the way it's

49:57going from solid up to more of the

50:00glass. Um, I I really appreciate that.

50:03Um the renderings if you go to the

50:05rendering on 20 it's just one back

50:09on this one. Well maybe to the pictures.

50:14There you go. Um it doesn't show at all

50:16the on street parking. So guys not we're

50:20not making daughtery skinnier there.

50:23There's parking. As a matter of fact I

50:25just parked on the shady side of this

50:28and those aren't going to go away.

50:29Neither are the ones there. I think the

50:32consideration that has been made to

50:34maximize the parking, which goes back to

50:37that other schematic, is a nod for our

50:41considerations for the church's use, but

50:43we can't prioritize another entities

50:47parking for the community's money being

50:51spent on this. and and we have

50:53considered it. Um in June we saw

50:55something that really had very minimal

50:59um parking at that point, but and then

51:02the the different spaces around it. Just

51:04think of the different reasons people

51:06are going to have to come to this

51:07building. Some are going by choice. Some

51:09are there and they're not wanting to be

51:11there at all or they're there but to

51:14support someone who's there that doesn't

51:16want to be there. So um the

51:19considerations in my mind for security

51:22inside and out as well as the dignity

51:24for those that um choose to come or need

51:27to come here um are are are really um

51:32can't be left behind in the

51:35considerations that we've been talking

51:37about this for an awful long time. And

51:39one of the reasons we need the space of

51:42this is for those considerations of

51:44security as well as dignity coming and

51:46going. Um, and so it can't be the same

51:49size as the old one. And I think that

51:52artistically us giving a new look, it is

51:55modern. It should be modern. The whole

51:57point is a modern judicial sound. So,

52:01um, I like it and

52:07>> yeah. Um, since we're talking about

52:09design here, um,

52:12as I was saying to, um, our count our

52:15manager today, I I'm not a um, I'm not a

52:19design detail person, but I know there

52:22are a lot of people in the community who

52:24are. Um, Allison just shared some views

52:29a little bit there. Melissa clearly had

52:31some views. Uh, hopefully, I mean, what

52:34we're looking at now is making a

52:35decision on design.

52:38direction in October. That's a month

52:40from now. So, I mean, just having been

52:43in this community for a while, um I know

52:46that sometimes people don't respond

52:49until the last minute. So, I hope the

52:51word is out there and that we do get

52:54responses

52:56um on it because clearly I know what

52:58Allison is saying, modern is good. I

53:00like some of the modern elements here,

53:02but you know, if you look at half the

53:04community was like, I want it more

53:05classical. half quarter was I wanted

53:08classical and modern. So um you know I

53:13I tend to be like okay we've been

53:15waiting along let's move on. But on the

53:18other hand I remember many many years

53:20back and all the community input on the

53:24classic center and the incorporation of

53:26the old firehouse which has really

53:28become very um iconic for what the

53:32classic center looks like now. Um and so

53:35I don't want to poo poo public response.

53:38So I look forward to seeing what kind of

53:40u response we do get on that. I am you

53:44know one thing that has not come up in

53:46this discussion really of the two

53:48versions of larger [laughter]

53:51smaller or little pocket park versus

53:54none or moonree versus none. Um, and so

53:59I do want to hear what we have to say on

54:01that. And I am curious, um, what kind of

54:07input we've gotten from the AM church

54:09here. Um, we don't need to, we are

54:12looking at a community need, but we do

54:14need to be considering I mean, if we're

54:16considering the moon tree, we're

54:17considering that because of community

54:19input. AM is right there next door. What

54:23has their input been? do they have any

54:26uh express points of view on those two

54:29designs with the parking lot? So, I am,

54:31you know, maybe someone has a response

54:33to that. Um, but also on the financing

54:35before we get off on that,

54:39if I see this correctly with the price

54:41we're at, that 226 million right now,

54:46that also includes the relocation of the

54:49Darity Street staff somewhere else,

54:51right? That's like six million or

54:53something. and the renovation of the

54:58the court the courthouse. Right. It does

55:01not include a new parking deck and the

55:03financing. Correct. Got that right.

55:06>> It's actually the maintenance of the

55:08existing house renovation of the

55:10courthouse that will that will still be

55:12another

55:12>> future cost

55:15>> because they've got to stay in there and

55:16operate it as a we've got to operate as

55:17a courthouse for the next few years

55:19during construction. So there are still

55:22>> Okay. So that isn't the ren that isn't

55:24the correct taking the courthouse and

55:26making it into a planning department.

55:28>> Some of some of what we're doing in that

55:29maintenance will

55:32>> keep it running till it's finished.

55:33>> HBAC.

55:35>> Okay. So that's that's that's good

55:36information to have. That's not that's

55:38just

55:40>> keep it going. Keep it going till we do

55:42it. Okay. And so I think along with what

55:44Dexter was saying um is exactly when

55:47we're talking about the financing and I

55:49think I had a discussion again with

55:51manager Carol about this um it's not

55:54just the fact that we're going to issue

55:55a debt a bond on this and I think that

55:58what you're looking at is how we're

56:00going to pay that bond and so as you

56:02discussed uh manager at our our

56:06September meeting on the agenda is

56:09looking at that splast already and and I

56:11think those The more concrete

56:13information we have on that, the better.

56:15Like you were saying, how that if how

56:19much we could put on to that splast and

56:21having those discussions up front and

56:23what else would go on and if it doesn't,

56:25how much would the military be? We put

56:28more details on that the better because

56:30to me that's a big thing there. It's

56:34it's, you know, if we do the home

56:36renovation kind of thing, we want to get

56:37the mortgage rate. want to get this and

56:39that, but I got to be able to pay that

56:41mortgage and that's the part that I want

56:43to make sure that we can do. Um, but

56:45back to the the amme and the church and

56:48the two the two ver the the moon tree

56:50versus no moon tree.

56:52>> Yeah. So, so the correspondence that so

56:54there were a couple of meetings with the

56:56church as was church leadership as was

56:58mentioned.

56:59>> Some of the design um elements that came

57:01out of that have been talked about. The

57:02building was slid a bit further toward

57:04the corner. that step down piece, all of

57:06that was in direct response to those

57:09conversations that came from from the

57:11church. The church has taken a position

57:15in the correspondence that was delivered

57:16to us back in uh at the beginning of

57:18August that their preferred option is

57:21the option that retains the parking the

57:23site plan that you see right now. Um

57:25they don't dismiss the importance of the

57:26moon tree. They just acknowledge the um

57:29the need for parking. they share this

57:31parking with us currently and the

57:33expectation is they would continue to

57:34share this um this parking with us as

57:37they go forward. There were also some

57:40items that they had identified that

57:43don't fall into any of this that we've

57:44already said yes we certainly could

57:46agree to doing. So an example I can give

57:48you is kind of an assessment of the

57:50current building conditions um by a

57:52third party preconstruction so that we

57:54would have it well documented that as we

57:56proceed with construction blasting any

57:59of those kinds of things that it's

58:00documented what um if any damage were

58:02caused during that process and there

58:04were a couple of other things like that

58:06um that were certainly agreeable. There

58:08were some things that they are pursuing

58:09that are beyond the scope of of this

58:11work. So for example, they would like

58:13ACC gov to construct more parking for

58:16them. That's beyond the scope of of this

58:19project obviously. Um but in terms of

58:21the site plan, that was um that was

58:23their preference was to use this one.

58:26Well, not again they didn't want to

58:27dismiss the importance of the moon tree.

58:29They just place that in pursuit on

58:31parking for them. And well, can you

58:33review the

58:36plans the moon like the uh you know the

58:40the park the the first one the original

58:42one without the moon tree in that in

58:45that scenario what is the plan for the

58:49preservation of the moon tree heritage?

58:53>> Yes. So there there would be a few

58:56certainly a few things that would be

58:58tied to the tree which is trying to take

59:01trying to take elements from the tree

59:03whether that be saplings whether that be

59:05seeds whether that be whatever it is

59:07that the foresters already kind of

59:08started to look at and ways in which

59:10that could be propagated so that um

59:12future trees would grow from this stock

59:16all the way through. There's been some

59:17discussion of are there ways to

59:18incorporate the wood from this tree into

59:20the interior design. None of that's

59:22been, you know, put out in any detail.

59:24Um, certainly has not gotten that far,

59:26but that effectively is what what

59:28ultimately um you would have as kind of

59:30options going forward. There's no

59:32there's no ability obviously to

59:34transplant a tree of that size.

59:37>> And what about the health what the

59:38forester what did the forester say on

59:40the health and

59:42>> I think in general tree is the tree's

59:44root is very healthy. It's about 50

59:45years old. So it's it's you know at

59:47least halfway through its expected life.

59:49Um you know I think there are concerns

59:52even with the pocket park there are

59:54concerns of disruption with

59:55construction. So that for example that

59:57site plam chosen even before any

1:00:00construction started that we would begin

1:00:01with things like roof treatment and some

1:00:03other kinds of activities to try to give

1:00:05it the best chance that it has but you

1:00:07are constructing um around it. It would

1:00:09be as protected as it can be um with it

1:00:12but yeah I mean in general I think it's

1:00:13it's viewed as a healthy tree.

1:00:15>> Okay. Thank you.

1:00:17>> Uh Melissa and and Allison and then

1:00:19we'll wrap and move on.

1:00:21>> Um so we had some discussion at one of

1:00:25the meetings um with stakeholders

1:00:29about um potential alternative uses

1:00:32off-hour uses for some of the space in

1:00:34the courthouse. Is that incorporated

1:00:36into this site plan? Um, and I tal I had

1:00:40some conversation with the sheriff who

1:00:41said it was, you know, totally a

1:00:42feasible thing to do if you know a

1:00:46certain portion of it were able to be

1:00:48properly secured.

1:00:49>> It would be so those either 17 or 26

1:00:52spaces depending on the site plan

1:00:54option. The intent is that those would

1:00:57be secured during normal business hours.

1:00:59So, think of the gate that

1:01:01>> I'm talking about the interior.

1:01:02>> Oh, the interior. No, the interior is

1:01:04actually closed by a rolling Sallyport

1:01:07door because those are the secure

1:01:09locations. We've not talked about that.

1:01:12And I it would be it would be

1:01:14challenging at best to do that because

1:01:16you're bringing vehicles.

1:01:17>> I'm not talking about vehicles. I'm

1:01:18talking about like interior space

1:01:20itself. They could like courtroom

1:01:24community space after hours or on the

1:01:26weekends.

1:01:26>> Yeah. I think then it would just be

1:01:27coordinating with the sheriff.

1:01:29>> Yeah. The sheriff said

1:01:30>> Yeah. I'm sorry. I thought you were

1:01:31talking about the parking.

1:01:32>> Um yeah, I mean one of the concerns is

1:01:34we certainly need more community

1:01:36gathering spaces, civic spaces um you

1:01:39know for meetings and things like that

1:01:41and you know traditionally courouses

1:01:43serve that purpose once upon a time.

1:01:45They had multiple functions and it would

1:01:47be really ideal if this courthouse could

1:01:51that function as well. And I just want

1:01:53to put in one another word about the

1:01:55Moon Tree versus the parking. You know,

1:01:58I look at this Moon Tree Pocket Park and

1:02:00yeah, it looks like a great beautiful

1:02:02space. It's also really large. Like I'm

1:02:05wondering if that park space were shrunk

1:02:07a little bit, we could accommodate, you

1:02:09know, several more parking spaces in

1:02:11addition to the on street parking that's

1:02:13going to be added to assure that, you

1:02:16know, the same amount of parking that we

1:02:19currently have on this site um is

1:02:21available.

1:02:24>> You guys help me here. Think the

1:02:25challenge is that if you look at that

1:02:27circle that's on the screen where the

1:02:29tree is up kind of in the upper corner

1:02:32of that

1:02:33>> the tree is the one in the middle. What

1:02:35are those bigger circles around little

1:02:37lines in them? What are those supposed

1:02:38to indicate?

1:02:39>> They're just indicating changes in grade

1:02:41trying to bring the grade back down.

1:02:43>> That that inner circle is basically the

1:02:46drip line of the tree as it is right

1:02:47now. So, we couldn't move the parking

1:02:50any further for Dowardy because we would

1:02:52be impacting the tree even more.

1:02:55>> Okay. So, to move it any further would

1:02:57impact the root zone of the tree.

1:02:58>> Yes, ma'am.

1:02:59>> Okay. What about if

1:03:03I'm just considering

1:03:06a drive a drive keeping a driveway on

1:03:08Dory with some parallel parking, but I

1:03:11don't

1:03:12>> I don't know if that's feasible either.

1:03:14But with the pocket park, you would get

1:03:16some additional parallel parking along

1:03:19Dowardy Street. I mean, the only thing

1:03:20that's different between this one and

1:03:22the one that has the complete parking

1:03:24lot, 26, we need fire department access

1:03:28to get out a truck if they were to pull

1:03:30back there.

1:03:30>> Yeah.

1:03:31>> Um,

1:03:32>> so you might get two spaces adjacent to

1:03:35the curve line there out of that. you

1:03:37might.

1:03:37>> Yeah. So, we get a couple extra on Dohy

1:03:39and you said that there's likely to be

1:03:42several extra on strong.

1:03:44>> We're we're working on on seeing if we

1:03:46can. There's a part of the other

1:03:48agreement we had with the church was

1:03:49taking doing a kind of a traffic study

1:03:51in the area. Part of that is to look at

1:03:54are there different traffic flow

1:03:55arrangements? Could something be one way

1:03:58versus two-way that might not on Dory or

1:04:00anything but like on Strong Street to

1:04:02try to introduce more on street parking.

1:04:04So yes, that's another piece that we

1:04:05would be exploring.

1:04:07I we would not I don't think through any

1:04:10of those mechanisms make up the nine

1:04:12spaces that would be lost on that on

1:04:15that parking. So it wouldn't be at best

1:04:17it would kind of probably be even to

1:04:19what we would have otherwise. I don't

1:04:20think you had to.

1:04:21>> And currently this lot is not fully

1:04:24accessible because there are quite a few

1:04:26fleet vehicles that park here all the

1:04:28time.

1:04:29>> Correct. Great. Yeah,

1:04:32Stephanie and Allison. Then we'll move

1:04:34on to the next one.

1:04:35>> I was curious with the um impending

1:04:38planning submission for various requests

1:04:40next month if the fire department has

1:04:43been consulted yet about the 111 ft um

1:04:47height for the property because the

1:04:50ladder trucks I think their limit is 100

1:04:52ft for the ladder trucks. We did fire

1:04:56department. They're comfortable with the

1:04:57design as it sits right now because they

1:05:00can access it one off of Lumpin and then

1:05:02two obviously coming off of Strong

1:05:04Street and coming into the parking lot

1:05:05there.

1:05:07>> So they felt like they had adequate

1:05:09coverage of the building

1:05:10>> with their

1:05:11>> entire they felt comfortable with the

1:05:14entire rook.

1:05:15>> Yes, ma'am.

1:05:15>> Okay. Thank you.

1:05:16>> I also just want just for clarity sake.

1:05:19So even though we've identified and and

1:05:20we've identified this kind of from the

1:05:22beginning that it would exceed we

1:05:23expected it to exceed the height current

1:05:25height limit the action on in October

1:05:28again if approved allows us to complete

1:05:31the design but we're not actually in

1:05:32October seeking any variance that would

1:05:35come later and actually there is a

1:05:38pending code amendment that you already

1:05:40have put in motion that's working its

1:05:41way through to increase the overall

1:05:43height limit in the entirety of

1:05:45downtown. So it's quite possible that

1:05:47that pipe limit would already be in

1:05:49place that would would not require a

1:05:52variance if you end up approving that

1:05:54because that was if you remember that

1:05:55was a part of the exclusionary zoning

1:05:57discussion that came up that if you

1:05:59actually increase downtown then you

1:06:02could essentially get additional units

1:06:04that would contribute more money to

1:06:05inclusionary zoning. That's still a

1:06:07couple of months off I think but I just

1:06:09want to make sure everybody understood

1:06:11there's not going to be a variance

1:06:12approved at the October. I thought I

1:06:15>> can I just clarify one thing? Um, you

1:06:17know, I mentioned using brick as um kind

1:06:21of a design element. Um, I don't

1:06:23necessarily mean red brick. Like our

1:06:25current courthouse is kind of a tan

1:06:27brick. Um, you know, it's predominantly

1:06:29tan brick with, you know, the the

1:06:31masonry detailing. I I could see kind of

1:06:34the opposite being incorporated into

1:06:36this design being predominantly masonry

1:06:38with tan brick detailing. kind of nod

1:06:41back to the to the former courthouse and

1:06:45just incorporating a few more classical

1:06:47elements to soften the edges on on the

1:06:51design and then, you know, make it say

1:06:54classic city a little more.

1:06:58>> I have to talk about the tree. Um, I do

1:07:01like our accommodations that we have

1:07:03with the church and I do want to

1:07:05continue that and mother nature could

1:07:08take the tree down anytime a storm rolls

1:07:11through here any time of the year. So,

1:07:14making everything

1:07:16around a tree that couldn't that might

1:07:19not make it through construction because

1:07:21of the root system. Um, and also I I

1:07:25kind of prefer us having that. Uh, can

1:07:28you go to the the base? What are they

1:07:30called? The basis of design. I think

1:07:32it's one back. Yeah. I like the

1:07:35possibility of fire access because if

1:07:37there's a situation here and there's a

1:07:40fire, that doesn't mean that the only

1:07:43two routes can be accessible. It could

1:07:45be having three gives us two options

1:07:48based on what could be happening. the

1:07:53tenic of a fire. But um anyway, I do I I

1:07:57do prefer the parking over losing

1:08:00parking for a tree. I'll talk to Patrick

1:08:03about that separately.

1:08:04>> So, uh folks talk about next steps. Um

1:08:07kind of heard feedback. I mean, one

1:08:09little design note kind of thinking

1:08:11about what I've heard and functional

1:08:14reality is I wake up every day and I

1:08:15pour my coffee while I'm looking at the

1:08:17bell tower of the church and make my

1:08:19dinner uh looking at that bell tower of

1:08:21the church from my kitchen window. I

1:08:22have live right around the corner. Um I

1:08:24I I do very much appreciate the way that

1:08:26it steps up from the I guess northwest

1:08:30to the to the southeast. I think the one

1:08:32note that Melissa made that that I find

1:08:34some favor with is is having something

1:08:37of a lower colonade. The sun is very

1:08:40sharp on Dherty uh both as it's rising

1:08:42and setting in the morning and the kind

1:08:44of evening time. And just from a

1:08:47practical perspective, if somebody's

1:08:48going out with their coffee in the

1:08:50morning to sit down and gather their

1:08:51thoughts before a court hearing or if

1:08:54they're coming out for lunch, uh you

1:08:55know, kind of a lower roof would mean

1:08:57that that it's a really usable space

1:08:59rather than just sort of a decorative

1:09:00feature.

1:09:03So I think for first thank you all thank

1:09:05you that because this is what we needed

1:09:07to know as we make kind of these next

1:09:08steps. Um so in October we would expect

1:09:11to bring forward a version of this for

1:09:14schematic design approval. Um which

1:09:17essentially what that means it allows us

1:09:18to progress to the next fuller complete

1:09:22efforts at design. Honestly, at this

1:09:25point, given what we've what I've heard

1:09:27certainly and the fact that we're sub

1:09:28forum, I think what we'll do is we'll

1:09:30bring both site plan versions. So,

1:09:32you'll have on your agenda report,

1:09:34you'll have an ability to approve the

1:09:36schematic design with one site plan that

1:09:39maximizes parking or one that actually

1:09:42um protects the moon tree. And then

1:09:44you'll vote on one of those that because

1:09:47I'm not hearing necessarily and again

1:09:49there's not even forum here, so I'm not

1:09:50necessarily hearing that there's a clear

1:09:52direction on that. And so I think it'd

1:09:54be premature for me to say we'd only

1:09:56bring one of those forward. So it'll be

1:09:58um it'll it'll probably have both of

1:10:00those options available for y'all to

1:10:02choose from at that time.

1:10:03>> Thank you.

1:10:04>> All right. Thanks everyone.

1:10:06>> Thank you.

1:10:07>> We bring up both sheets. Is that uh

1:10:10>> Yes. Yes. So, um, while the chiefs are

1:10:12coming up, um, here, um, one of the

1:10:15things that I had talked with you all

1:10:17about as I went through those first

1:10:19several months is sort of elevating our,

1:10:23um, communication and awareness of the

1:10:26work that goes on in the community. Um,

1:10:28and so part of that is to share with you

1:10:32in a public setting, more often and more

1:10:35regularly, the work that is going on in

1:10:37the departments. Um, next month I hope

1:10:41to have a the first conversation around

1:10:44enterprise operations and that'll be

1:10:45tied around utilities. This month is

1:10:48going to be with police and fire. And so

1:10:50this is intended to be kind of a a

1:10:52one-year sort of check-in if you will on

1:10:54public safety. Police first and then

1:10:56fire. So what I would ask is if um if

1:10:59you allow Chief Salters to go through

1:11:01his presentation, then you can ask

1:11:03questions you have regarding police and

1:11:04then we'll transition over to Chief Moss

1:11:06and go through the fire and do the same

1:11:08thing. Again, the purpose here really is

1:11:10hopefully to just familiarize you all

1:11:13and most certainly the public more with

1:11:15what has gone on in both our public

1:11:17safety operations over the last year.

1:11:20And I hope to do this with other

1:11:21departments as we progress through the

1:11:23year as well. Thank

1:11:25>> Pete. Thanks for joining us. Absolutely.

1:11:26Good afternoon, everyone. First, I want

1:11:28to thank y'all for this opportunity. Uh,

1:11:30I got before you kind of our 2025 annual

1:11:33report looking at, you know, crime

1:11:34numbers last year as well as some of the

1:11:37things we're doing in the community.

1:11:39We'll go ahead and get started.

1:11:42So, our values, they're in alignment

1:11:45with the county's values, which are

1:11:47integrity, competence, collaboration,

1:11:49community, and each other. Our missions,

1:11:51we strive for ethical, efficient, and

1:11:53effective policing, collaboration with

1:11:54community. Third, And the vision for the

1:11:56agency is that the department or our

1:12:00primary is to preserve life, reduce

1:12:02crime through continued enforcement of

1:12:04law and sustain meaningful partnerships

1:12:06across the community. In each one of

1:12:08those, the emphasis on community and

1:12:11building meaningful relationships. And

1:12:12that's something that's very important

1:12:13to us. As we go through this, it'll kind

1:12:16of should kind of show you exactly what

1:12:18we're doing, not just in thought or

1:12:20word, but in action.

1:12:25Of course, our leadership team is here.

1:12:26Got six captains, one communications

1:12:29coordinator, three deputy chiefs. Great

1:12:31team. Everything we do is as a team. I

1:12:34don't look at it as one person out

1:12:35front. I look at it as all of the

1:12:37shoulder-to-shoulder as we work to uh

1:12:39continue to build relationships in the

1:12:41community and reduce crime.

1:12:47When I look at everything we do, any

1:12:50decision I make, I always take three

1:12:52things into consideration. and that is

1:12:54how does it infect affect the individual

1:12:56person within the agency whether it's a

1:12:58headset hero an officer records clerk uh

1:13:01overall how does it affect the

1:13:03organization then I always keep the

1:13:05community in mind uh every Monday I meet

1:13:07with the deputy chiefs and captains and

1:13:09I ask them one simple question what are

1:13:11you going to do this week to add value

1:13:13to each one of these each employee we

1:13:16have that works inside the agency what

1:13:18are you going to do this week to improve

1:13:20the organization and most importantly

1:13:23what are you going to do to get out in

1:13:24the community and build those

1:13:25relationships. And my expectation, and

1:13:27it's the same expectation I have of

1:13:29myself, is that I'm spending equally

1:13:31amount of time dealing with each one of

1:13:33those because they're all equally

1:13:35important. And then Thursday when we

1:13:37meet back, we discuss exactly this. What

1:13:39did you do this week? How did it infect

1:13:41the individual employee, the

1:13:43organization, and also the community?

1:13:49Of course, we're broken up into three

1:13:51bureaus. our patrol, field operations is

1:13:53patrol and communications, operations

1:13:56support bureaus, our criminal

1:13:57investigations division, also covers our

1:14:00training and records. And then years

1:14:03ago, before I became chief over four

1:14:05years ago, community services bureau was

1:14:08always down in the bottom and just had a

1:14:09few resources. And we want to say and

1:14:12say that we're community ser community

1:14:14oriented police department, but what are

1:14:16we doing? So I moved that all the way to

1:14:17the top, put a deputy chief under that

1:14:19bureau and we're looking at ways of how

1:14:21do we build that relationship and what

1:14:23does that look like and continue to grow

1:14:25that out and it's been very successful

1:14:27for us. I'll show you a lot of examples.

1:14:32We are a Kala nationally accredited

1:14:35agency.

1:14:36We got our first uh colleation

1:14:40in 1987 and for law enforcement that

1:14:42means that we must meet over 400

1:14:44standards every single year. And then

1:14:48communication is also uh accredited.

1:14:51They've been accredited since 2010 and

1:14:53they have 200 plus standard standards to

1:14:56meet. And both our communications and

1:14:59our law enforcement are also state

1:15:01accredited.

1:15:07uh kind of by the numbers in 2025

1:15:10uh our officers are in civilian as well

1:15:12as our dispatchers receive 42,464

1:15:16hours of training. If you break that

1:15:18down, that's an average of 148 training

1:15:21hours per employee. Uh if we want to

1:15:24ensure they're doing things and they

1:15:26have the best training, then we need to

1:15:28be offering that and we are. Our

1:15:30evidence facility was quite busy in

1:15:322025. 4,211 pieces of evidence, which is

1:15:35roughly about 300 pieces of it. 350

1:15:38pieces of evidence per month. Then, of

1:15:41course, our headset heroes, our

1:15:42communications officers are doing an

1:15:44amazing job. Uh, received 157,844

1:15:49calls uh into the 911 center. When you

1:15:52break that down, that's 432 calls per

1:15:56day to so to say that we're busy, we

1:15:58are. And when you look at that, every

1:16:00time someone calls 911, it's not to say,

1:16:03"Hey, it's not 120 degrees outside. I'm

1:16:06just want you to know I'm having a great

1:16:07day." This is someone that's in a

1:16:09crisis, and we send our folks out every

1:16:11single day to try to help them and work

1:16:12through that. Which is why this next one

1:16:16is so important, and that's that our

1:16:18officers are great people first. They

1:16:20have an amazing heart and servants

1:16:21heart. Uh, I look at it and I want

1:16:24officers who want to serve someone other

1:16:26than themselves and they demonstrate

1:16:27that daily in their jobs. Uh, Officer

1:16:30Madison Robinson, she also coaches the

1:16:32girls uh, track and field at at Clark

1:16:34Central High School. Then you've got our

1:16:37officers on Midnight's West that were

1:16:39told just to throw a bunch of packages

1:16:41in the dumpster and be done with it.

1:16:42Instead, they went out and delivered

1:16:44those packages. And of course, uh,

1:16:46Samuel Garcia saw a need, cares for kids

1:16:49in the Rolling Ridge community and went

1:16:50out with out of his own pocket and

1:16:52purchased a basketball goal. He didn't

1:16:54want credit back. But when we learned

1:16:56about it, we told him, then Commissioner

1:16:58Mayor Lect Fiser learned of that. I

1:17:00think you even paid him back if I'm not

1:17:02mistaken, right? Yeah. Because you

1:17:05wanted to ensure because you just

1:17:06thought that was something great. But I

1:17:08mean, there are so many things that our

1:17:09officers do every day that we never find

1:17:11out about even at the command level. And

1:17:13if they don't do it for credit or

1:17:15recognition, they do it because they

1:17:17care about this community and he saw a

1:17:19need for children uh there and and did

1:17:21that.

1:17:25Some of our highlights for 2025. Deput

1:17:26Chief Keith Kelly graduated from FBI

1:17:29National Academy

1:17:31advanced leadership training. Of course,

1:17:33we have a ton of events. I think I

1:17:35looked at I've got a calendar here with

1:17:37me already in 2026. We got 112 events uh

1:17:41that we'll be at tableabling at and

1:17:43partnering with the community. Then of

1:17:45course our 50th uh community police

1:17:47academy. Of course, Jack Lumpin was

1:17:49there. Great mentor, friend. Uh he he's

1:17:53just meant a lot to us for a lot of

1:17:54years and continue to stay in touch with

1:17:56us and help us through. But when you

1:17:58look at that, having that manymies,

1:18:01we're talking about over a thousand

1:18:03people that have spent a long time at PD

1:18:06getting to know us, us getting to know

1:18:08them, and in building that relationship.

1:18:09And so many of them come back to

1:18:11volunteer with us and do other things

1:18:13and see us in the event. And those

1:18:15relationships are important.

1:18:19Just some more of examples from our

1:18:21unity tool, from so many things we're

1:18:23out in the community doing.

1:18:27And then our community engagement. Um,

1:18:30historically PD would have a few events

1:18:33and financially it was pretty pretty

1:18:36tough on us. But as we started building

1:18:38these relationships, now instead of us

1:18:40holding, let's say, one summer camp for

1:18:4215 to 20 kids, now we're at the YWC,

1:18:45we're these other places. We're

1:18:46partnering with them and we'll be able

1:18:48to to really maximize while saving money

1:18:51at the same time. uh how much influence

1:18:54and how much uh how those relationships

1:18:57that we can build. Of course, whether

1:18:59it's at the food bank, um trunk treats

1:19:02coming up, that's always four to 5,000

1:19:04kids come out for that. Great event. If

1:19:07you get an opportunity, we'd love to see

1:19:08you out there. Um and then we started

1:19:11tracking in 2025

1:19:13we attended 451 events where 45,846

1:19:19community members at these different

1:19:21events and 1,71 of our employees

1:19:24attended those events through so great

1:19:27impact and again we talked about that

1:19:30450 calls for service every single day

1:19:32and they're dealing with constant. This

1:19:35is an opportunity for them to have non

1:19:37enforcement uh communications and

1:19:40relationship building in the community

1:19:45and policing. Uh it's all about building

1:19:47trust, strengthen relationships and

1:19:49working together

1:19:54have your help

1:20:02too fast. All right. So I look at that

1:20:05slide and uh what I look at is that's

1:20:09putting smiles on people's faces. This

1:20:11is not only our officers but the

1:20:12community. And again this is giving them

1:20:14an opportunity to take a break from the

1:20:16daily you know 911 domestic stabbings,

1:20:20burglaries, all of these other calls and

1:20:22just take a break and build

1:20:23relationships with the community. And

1:20:26again, I believe that this is helping

1:20:28the mental health of our officers and

1:20:30well-being of them to be able to get out

1:20:32and see people in a different light and

1:20:34not always in an enforcement capacity.

1:20:37So, I think huge for them and and it's

1:20:40paid in continuing those relationships.

1:20:44We did win the mayor's award last.

1:20:47They're already planning the next one

1:20:49there. So, exciting. Uh overall when we

1:20:51look at crime, so we've had a reduction

1:20:53of crime over the last four years. Every

1:20:55year we're on track again this year.

1:20:57Right now we're sitting at about a 10%

1:20:58from where we were last year. But when

1:21:00you look at this from 2022, we have a

1:21:03thousand less crimes in 2025 than we did

1:21:06in 2022. That's on average 83 crimes a

1:21:09month.

1:21:11And specifically when we talk about

1:21:13certain crimes,

1:21:15the top line is uh property crimes,

1:21:18burglaries, uh overall reduction 25.5%,

1:21:22robberies down 22%,

1:21:24stolen vehicles down 16 uh.7%.

1:21:28And then when you talk about your

1:21:30serious crimes, crimes against persons

1:21:32in 2025, 8% reduction, 7.7 reduction in

1:21:37aggravated assaults, rates were down

1:21:3915.8%. 8%. So, of course, we want to

1:21:42continue to see those numbers go down.

1:21:48And as we're all aware, what I don't

1:21:51want to see is another child be the

1:21:53victim of a drive by shooting a

1:21:55senseless gun violence. And in 2022, we

1:21:58started taking serious steps. We added

1:22:00uh a uniform gang element as well as

1:22:04criminal investigations. And those

1:22:06numbers there, you're talking about 141

1:22:09shootings in 2022 and at 202540.

1:22:13That is is a huge big difference there

1:22:16as well as uh the amount of people being

1:22:19shot. So we've seen those numbers

1:22:21continue to go down. And our gang unit

1:22:24in just 2025 made 230 arrest and

1:22:28retrieve 58 criminal firearms. and

1:22:30that's firearms that were used in a

1:22:33crime or stolen or prohibited uh from

1:22:37holding. So really good work they're

1:22:39doing and we can kind of show that data

1:22:41and and how it's paying forward. I would

1:22:43also say that during this time it's not

1:22:45just enforcement. I think it was a

1:22:48community effort with a lot of you

1:22:49that's in this room right now uh where

1:22:51we were out in the community having

1:22:53these conversation at churches and other

1:22:54places and looking at what we can come

1:22:56up with and how we can help to reduce

1:22:59this not just through arrest but how can

1:23:02we impact to lower these numbers

1:23:08real time crime center opened January of

1:23:112026

1:23:13um we are seeing faster response times

1:23:15more accurate information and then

1:23:17efficient resource allocation and of

1:23:19course improve public safety outcomes.

1:23:21What it's not is it is not a mass

1:23:23surveillance and it's more than just

1:23:26used for crime center. Uh we had some

1:23:29good storms last year, cold weather, it

1:23:32was used as an EOC. Uh anytime we have

1:23:35any major events or something of that

1:23:36nature, we use that space for that as

1:23:38well.

1:23:42And of course, how it works is once 911

1:23:45gets that call in and dispatching to

1:23:48officers, the real time crime center, it

1:23:50begins developing information to share

1:23:52with officers out on the street if they

1:23:54have any intel for that area to help

1:23:57them have better information to make

1:23:59better decisions and also solve crimes

1:24:01quicker.

1:24:06And then overall uh you know we are very

1:24:09o very very open and transparent about

1:24:11the real time crime center. I don't know

1:24:14if there's a week that's went by since

1:24:16it's open that someone hasn't been there

1:24:18to look at the center to know what it is

1:24:20and what the technology is and how we're

1:24:22using it. Uh we have a group this week

1:24:25uh just last week we had two different

1:24:27groups and the week before that I just

1:24:29had someone from the community her and

1:24:30her husband stopped by and said hey can

1:24:32we get a tour? And I said absolutely.

1:24:34you know, we we have taken a different

1:24:36stance of we want people to know and

1:24:38understand what we're doing and how

1:24:40we're doing it. And again, uh this just

1:24:42kind of looks at the successes and the

1:24:44top 10 crimes that that we've seen uh

1:24:47success out of Ro Crime Center.

1:24:53Our behavioral health unit uh very busy

1:24:55last year. They answered over,00 calls

1:24:58for services and this is again more than

1:25:00just enforcement. this is an alternative

1:25:02response and offering services. Uh we we

1:25:06have a quite a bit of mental health that

1:25:09and they do an amazing job of looking at

1:25:11not arresting but trying to get people

1:25:13services and get them the help they

1:25:14need.

1:25:17While they are the response, we also

1:25:19have our fellows program which are uh

1:25:22three part-time interns and a program

1:25:24supervisor and uh they are doing amazing

1:25:28work. They've conducted 163 follow-ups

1:25:32in 2025 and connected over 121

1:25:35individuals to services. And we could

1:25:38just go on and on about all the things

1:25:40they're doing, how they're doing it.

1:25:41They also designed our link card which

1:25:44gives uh basically um connects the

1:25:47community to local and regional services

1:25:49at food and shelter and other stuff

1:25:51things they may need. someone that may

1:25:53be here from Gwynette County and are

1:25:55looking for services on that app,

1:25:57they'll be able to know that when

1:25:58they're back in Gwynette County, here's

1:26:00our here's where the services are and

1:26:02what it does. And I've got some cards

1:26:03and things for you if you'd like to

1:26:05learn more about that. Be glad to share

1:26:07that with you.

1:26:11And then future outlook, of course, as a

1:26:14community grows, we need to grow with

1:26:16it. Arkansas's have had some challenges

1:26:19recently. And of course, uh, I always

1:26:22want a wellpaid, well-trained and well

1:26:25equipped organization. So, getting our

1:26:27officers and equipment so that their

1:26:28safety, uh, deescalation equipment,

1:26:31things of that nature. Of course, we

1:26:32want to take care of our people, ensure

1:26:34they continue to get the best training

1:26:35they can be.

1:26:39And with that in mind, I want to thank

1:26:40y'all for your time and I guess answer

1:26:43any questions. Two questions before we

1:26:45move on to Chief Moss. Commissioner

1:26:47Fisher.

1:26:47>> Yeah. on the um

1:26:50behavioral health unit

1:26:53and I know we got a partnership with

1:26:54advantage

1:26:57>> right now. Are those um

1:27:01at Advantage or they with you guys? Are

1:27:04they where they where they housed with

1:27:06us? They work a shift with our uh

1:27:08officers. We have four teams. They may

1:27:10or may not have office space at

1:27:12advantage. I just know that most of

1:27:13their time is spent in a patrol vehicle

1:27:16uh riding around and answering calls.

1:27:18>> And you all sorry I was say related to

1:27:21that you all including this most recent

1:27:24update in October working with the chief

1:27:27one of those units is going to actually

1:27:29be redeployed to be house out of

1:27:31downtown. They serve downtown already

1:27:33but that way they'll actually be

1:27:34operating out of downtown. So two of I

1:27:37should say 10 one of those cover units

1:27:39>> and somebody's list 247 those

1:27:43behaviorals.

1:27:46>> Yes sir.

1:27:47>> Officers 24.

1:27:48>> That's right.

1:27:48>> And how many do we have right now?

1:27:49>> Four teams.

1:27:50>> Four teams.

1:27:52>> And my next question. You and I have had

1:27:53this conversation. Y'all do a great job.

1:27:55Thank y'all what y'all do. Um I do like

1:28:00to see more officers

1:28:02first into the community. You know, I

1:28:05know Jack Lock was a big community

1:28:07police um chief when he was here. I

1:28:10really want to see more [clears throat]

1:28:11of our officers out there calls and

1:28:14really get to know the community they're

1:28:16serving, you know, and protecting. So,

1:28:19um hopefully as we move forward, we'll

1:28:21see more of that. Um this is not a

1:28:24criticism.

1:28:26Sometime know they sit in their cars. I

1:28:29would prefer them be out and get to know

1:28:31that community that they serve. So

1:28:34again, but I appreciate what you all do

1:28:35and y'all know I'm a big supporter.

1:28:38I think the real time crime center um is

1:28:41a good tool um that we have that y'all

1:28:44exposing and um hopefully as we move

1:28:48forward all the um face guards that

1:28:51you're putting in will be great to us

1:28:53and hopefully the community will

1:28:55understand better how that particular um

1:29:00tool is used to our community. So just

1:29:03want

1:29:06that piece. Sure.

1:29:07>> Absolutely. Thank you. Got uh

1:29:11Commissioner Wright and then

1:29:12Commissioners Link and Myers.

1:29:13>> Yeah. I want to thank you guys and

1:29:15thanks for this presentation and the

1:29:16three of us are graduates of the

1:29:18community academy and you guys start

1:29:20having a reunions and gatherings. I know

1:29:23when we left we

1:29:26wanted to still be involved. I mean

1:29:28we're kind of involved with stuff but

1:29:30there's a different level of that

1:29:31involvement especially with the other

1:29:33community members that we were with. So,

1:29:35I'm still waiting for my reunion

1:29:37invitation. Um, and my question is on

1:29:41the follow-up program,

1:29:44which is great. I had no idea. I don't

1:29:46know if that's happened since we were in

1:29:47class or I missed that day. Um, and the

1:29:50the card, all that you said about that

1:29:53was awesome. And I wanted to understand

1:29:56how the follow-ups are connected,

1:29:57whether it's a 911 call or an actual

1:30:00case number. Can you share a little bit

1:30:02about how that connectivity? Yeah,

1:30:05absolutely. So, um, as our behavioral

1:30:07health unit goes out to these different

1:30:09calls, then they receive it for

1:30:11followup. So, then they're contacting

1:30:13the person who say maybe homeless or

1:30:15dealing with something and connecting

1:30:16them to services or say, are you aware

1:30:18of this? Are you aware of that? What can

1:30:20we do to help you or is it getting

1:30:22medicine? You know, what are you looking

1:30:24for and how can we help you? So, they're

1:30:26doing that through that. Right now,

1:30:27we're looking at a grant to support

1:30:29those part-time positions.

1:30:30>> Okay. Okay. So that's really a subset of

1:30:33the slide before it.

1:30:34>> That's right.

1:30:35>> Okay, that helps me understand that.

1:30:38>> And do think the key to that is what the

1:30:40chief just said as well, which is this

1:30:42program has demonstrated its value over

1:30:45and over. And right now it is grant

1:30:47funded. And so at some point we're need

1:30:50to look at a way in which if we value

1:30:52this to probably stabilize that funding.

1:30:55>> And and if it was stabilized, would it

1:30:57be able to grow?

1:30:59>> Oh, absolutely. I mean I mean part of it

1:31:01is the size it is because of a grant and

1:31:04if we were able to um maybe rep prior

1:31:08prioritize

1:31:09um how long is this grant how much time

1:31:11do we have to figure out where the money

1:31:13is?

1:31:14>> So we just reapplied for an additional

1:31:16grant to fund it. I can fund it out a

1:31:19part-time at this point. Okay. Um but we

1:31:21again we had a grant now we've applied

1:31:23for a new grant. This was under the burn

1:31:25justice grant that y'all approved and

1:31:27that was to support this program. the

1:31:29fellow program

1:31:31>> and they're just one year basically one

1:31:32year grants.

1:31:33>> Well, let's let's make sure Yeah. it

1:31:35doesn't sneak up on us.

1:31:37>> Absolutely.

1:31:38>> Thank you.

1:31:39>> Melissa, Carol, and Stephanie.

1:31:42>> Yeah. I got a question about slide 20.

1:31:45Um center. It has the pie chart there.

1:31:49>> Um and can you explain

1:31:53[laughter] what each of those things is?

1:31:56the shot spotter intelligence block

1:31:58clear view cameras. Can you explain are

1:32:00there different types of cameras that

1:32:03are out there in the community?

1:32:04>> Yeah, not cameras. So, uh start with

1:32:06Shot Spotter. Um that is not ours. The

1:32:09University of Georgia has Shot Spotter,

1:32:12which is basically uh if gunshot gunshot

1:32:16detection that is not ours. We don't pay

1:32:18for it. But if there was a shooting in

1:32:19the downtown area, Shot Spotter could

1:32:21call that in and say at this coordinates

1:32:24we heard a gunshot. Then we would of

1:32:25course check and go with it from there.

1:32:27>> I don't know between a gunshot and a

1:32:29firework or a carback firing or

1:32:34>> dumpster shaking.

1:32:36>> That's a great question. Or don't truck

1:32:38drop the dumpster too large

1:32:39>> train clanging together.

1:32:41>> So again that would that would approach

1:32:43not our system. It's not on our

1:32:44property. It's on their property but is

1:32:46adjacent. And so therefore uh that is

1:32:48something that if that call came in and

1:32:51you can see it's very small percentage.

1:32:53Um and then of course uh 10.8 2% uh

1:32:58flock and then the orange is mainly just

1:33:01our downtown cameras. So if we have a a

1:33:03wreck at say uh broad at uh Thomas, you

1:33:08know, we could use our downtown camera

1:33:10system see exactly who ran the light,

1:33:11what happened or pedestrian fatality or

1:33:14something. any of those we have that

1:33:16there and that's what you're seeing the

1:33:18solvability rate and the successes.

1:33:20>> Okay, so this is the solvability pie

1:33:22chart.

1:33:22>> Yeah, the success charts is showing how

1:33:24it's been used.

1:33:25>> It's not the number of devices out

1:33:27overall devices. Do we have some data on

1:33:29that? Like the number of devices like

1:33:32how many are flock, how many are clear

1:33:34view?

1:33:35>> Sure. So um after police we have 30

1:33:39flock and that's it.

1:33:40>> There are more in the community but the

1:33:42department have is 30. Um, a lot of

1:33:44times I think people are getting the

1:33:46flocked like every camera down none of

1:33:48our cameras our our cameras downtown are

1:33:50not flock cameras. They're just normal

1:33:52cameras. Um, and of course no one

1:33:54sitting and watching those cameras. If

1:33:56we have a crime reported uh then of

1:33:59course say if you had a bank robbery

1:34:00again the real-time crime center would

1:34:02immediately start going backwards. They

1:34:04have one analyst looking at backwards

1:34:05before the robbery and one after to see

1:34:08which direction the offender went. And

1:34:10so that's kind of how they work in

1:34:12conjunction. But they weren't flat

1:34:14cameras that were just normal cameras

1:34:15that we've had in the downtown area for

1:34:17many, many years.

1:34:19>> Um, I have another question that the

1:34:21slide at the end, you have a slide at

1:34:23the end. ALPR program.

1:34:25>> That's right.

1:34:26>> Can you I think you skipped it in the

1:34:29>> We didn't get to it. I was ready for

1:34:30this question and I was going to kind of

1:34:33>> you go over this.

1:34:34>> Oh, absolutely. Um, so again, um,

1:34:39this is more or less looking at our data

1:34:41with with flocks and what we've used the

1:34:43ARPR cameras for.

1:34:45>> What does ALPR stand for?

1:34:46>> Automatic license plate reader.

1:34:48>> Okay.

1:34:49>> Um, which again takes a photograph at a

1:34:52point in time of a vehicle and, you

1:34:54know, of course, color vehicle

1:34:55information like that. Um, we prohibit

1:34:58it from personal use. It's official use

1:35:00only. It does now require us to have a

1:35:03case number um and then a multi- you

1:35:07know sign in access so we can accurately

1:35:11uh audit the system see how it's being

1:35:13used right now our uh retention is 30

1:35:17days so everything's gone after 30 days

1:35:20and you had a question the other night

1:35:22about the plot cameras and like the use

1:35:24I know they're solar cameras uh is what

1:35:27we use and so we're we'll have a bill

1:35:29for that And then all of the data is not

1:35:33being stored. It's all um Amazon

1:35:36government web- based. So it's in the

1:35:38cloud. So we're not paying for

1:35:40additional servers or you know and

1:35:42trying to cool those rooms. None of that

1:35:44in a clar county for that service. So

1:35:46>> So that data is being stored offsite.

1:35:49>> That's right.

1:35:50>> Processed by data centers. Amazon.

1:35:53>> We own the data.

1:35:54>> Um yeah. Yeah, I mean my big concern is

1:35:58being that that data is offsite

1:36:00somewhere and associated with some

1:36:02corporate entity like what are the guard

1:36:05rails that those entities can't access

1:36:08it?

1:36:10>> Sure. Um so one it would be a breach of

1:36:12their contract if they did. Um but I

1:36:15can't guarantee they can or they can't.

1:36:17What I do know is using uh the cloud is

1:36:19what what we do for all of our sensitive

1:36:21information and we haven't seen a breach

1:36:24there whether it's GCIC or other things.

1:36:27So,

1:36:28>> okay. So, we don't have any like

1:36:31hardcore guarantees that outside

1:36:34corporate entities aren't accessing data

1:36:37that's gathered in our community. Uh,

1:36:39but what I can tell you is we're

1:36:40learning more than I probably ever

1:36:42wanted to know about flock recently. And

1:36:44we're going to try to understand exactly

1:36:46what we're doing, what crimes are we

1:36:48looking at, who has uh authorization to

1:36:50look at it, and how we're using it. Uh,

1:36:53you know, it's an important tool, but we

1:36:56need to be responsible for this

1:36:57community and show that that we're doing

1:36:59it the right way.

1:37:03Well, I'll I'll follow up by starting

1:37:05with this and just one is basic

1:37:08information. You talked about flocks

1:37:10versus um regular cameras

1:37:13>> and then there's the ALPRs.

1:37:18So, first of all, what's the difference

1:37:19between a flock and a regular camera? So

1:37:22Glock is ALPR

1:37:25>> Glock is just the name of the vendor for

1:37:27an AR a APR camera which is automatic

1:37:30license plate reader. Axon there's a

1:37:32bunch of companies.

1:37:33>> We only have 30 of those.

1:37:35>> The police department only has 30.

1:37:36>> Okay.

1:37:37>> In the in the community. Are they all

1:37:40downtown? You didn't They're not all

1:37:42>> No, they're spread out. And

1:37:45>> now there are other cameras that that

1:37:47are owned by say apartment complexes,

1:37:49other things. When we had the uh

1:37:51unfortunate shooting of Kyron's

1:37:53argument, right? Within minutes of that,

1:37:55there was an ALPR camera at the end of

1:37:57that mobile home park. It wasn't

1:37:59>> just it was what they had purchased and

1:38:03that's what allowed us to quickly uh

1:38:05catch that offender and of course get

1:38:07critical evidence and firearms and other

1:38:09stuff to solve that case. And when I I

1:38:11listened to the discussion of this of

1:38:13the the Peace Scot Committee that um

1:38:17Harrison right did with Harrison over

1:38:20there. Um and it was how many like

1:38:23requests from outside agencies do we

1:38:26actually get you know because there was

1:38:28a discussion about outside agencies and

1:38:31we can either automatically have

1:38:33agreement with a couple of them but the

1:38:34rest of them have to be approved. I was

1:38:36just like wondering how many of those

1:38:38there are. Deputy Chief Daniel, if you

1:38:41know the answer,

1:38:41>> we could look I don't know the exact

1:38:42answer to that, but we could and see.

1:38:45>> Okay. Yeah. Um, yeah, we're all learning

1:38:48a lot more about this, aren't we? There

1:38:50on that. So, you reviewed that. Let me

1:38:53ask you a question about the the gang

1:38:56violence here that you alluded to here.

1:38:58And I think you alluded to that or

1:39:01talked about that in terms of the

1:39:02violent um

1:39:05uh reduction in violent gun crime.

1:39:08I guess the question for me is how much

1:39:10of that do we know do we know how much

1:39:13of that is gang related and are there

1:39:15other indicators of gang activity that

1:39:19from having sat in our meetings when

1:39:21we're talking about like videos that are

1:39:23used to like there used to be just the

1:39:26markings the graffiti and now there's

1:39:28the graffiti but there's also the videos

1:39:30and other things I learned at with the

1:39:33uh delinquency prevention initiative and

1:39:35things were in there and then the

1:39:37presentation you all gave to us. Are

1:39:39there other indicators that there's

1:39:41reduced gang activity in the community

1:39:44than there was 5 years ago?

1:39:46>> I don't know if we can say reduce the

1:39:48amount. What I can say is when you see

1:39:50numbers like that from what we were

1:39:52dealing with in 2022 and before that we

1:39:55had this leadup of continuous gun and

1:39:57gang violence and literally running gun

1:40:00battles. Uh, and now we've seen that

1:40:02number drastically increase, excuse me,

1:40:06decreased. And, and I would again

1:40:08attribute that not only to the

1:40:09enforcement piece of the gang unit, but

1:40:11as well as everyone in this room that's

1:40:13been in those community and having those

1:40:15conversations and getting education,

1:40:17awareness of how to prevent young people

1:40:18from joining gangs. So, so you think

1:40:21we're seeing I mean the some of the

1:40:23officers who are working with their

1:40:24youth are they're seeing less are there

1:40:27few I mean do do we have any idea if

1:40:29there are fewer gun people involved with

1:40:32guns now I mean with gangs now or are

1:40:34the gangs just less violent

1:40:37>> we are seeing less shootings

1:40:39>> okay that's what that's what we that's

1:40:41what we have that's the data that we

1:40:42have okay um and then my last thing is

1:40:45on the behavioral units downtown that

1:40:47you said you're going to they're going

1:40:48to be continue to be they're going to be

1:40:51housed downtown. There's going to be a

1:40:54unit that's down there and walking the

1:40:57street from

1:40:58>> Sure.

1:40:58>> Okay. That's that's really uh you know

1:41:01in our just discussion of homelessness

1:41:03it's really important a as others have

1:41:06made that that we have that presence on

1:41:08the ground and that uh not only that

1:41:11that they can be building relationships

1:41:15to work with our homeless population

1:41:17downtown but also with our uh business

1:41:20owners and such. So I think that's

1:41:22really really essential as we're moving

1:41:24forward

1:41:24>> and that is anticipated to begin in

1:41:26October is when we're kind of making all

1:41:28of that happen and hopefully that will

1:41:31come alongside an increased presence

1:41:34with the outreach folks that are tied

1:41:36with ADHS and and others also so that it

1:41:39isn't just this co-response unit but

1:41:41it's actually some of the other

1:41:43providers within the community as well.

1:41:44So there's a increased focus on outreach

1:41:47efforts specifically in downtown

1:41:49>> and and what is the rel or is there a

1:41:51relationship between the advantage

1:41:53behavioral street outreach team and the

1:41:56mental health um teams that we have?

1:42:00What is their relationship? How do they

1:42:01interact?

1:42:02>> Very strong relationship. And so what

1:42:04you have is one there's monthly meetings

1:42:06kind of a check-in uh where they're

1:42:08meeting with homeless outreach and

1:42:10saying hey this is what we're seeing or

1:42:12we're letting them know we're getting

1:42:13calls of service about an encampment

1:42:14here and we had a problem here and so

1:42:16we're trying to engage them to have them

1:42:18of course go out and do all offer any

1:42:21services they can uh as well as when we

1:42:25start if we're moving folks from a camp

1:42:28we want to make sure they're aware so

1:42:29they can see where those folks are going

1:42:31and offer them services. So, it's been a

1:42:33partnership and a really good business.

1:42:35>> Thank you,

1:42:37>> uh, Stephanie and then Dexter. Thank

1:42:39you.

1:42:39>> Thank you so much for the work that you

1:42:41do. I know it's um hard job every day

1:42:44and in your line of business, it's not

1:42:45easy. So, thank you for all being here

1:42:47and for this annual presentation. My

1:42:50question is about um two things. the

1:42:52future about the the space on Lexington

1:42:55Row is you've been in that space for

1:42:57over 35 years. Um since you're doing

1:43:00annual reports now, can we anticipate a

1:43:02request in the near future for

1:43:05increasing that space or another space?

1:43:08And the second part of that is moving

1:43:10the moving one unit of the community

1:43:13outreach team into the downtown space. I

1:43:15know that space is cramped as well.

1:43:18>> Yes. um how how have you um arranged it

1:43:23for everybody to fit?

1:43:24>> Sure. So during the daytime hours mostly

1:43:27when when uh the co-responders will be

1:43:31there the space is not as busy. And

1:43:33again uh I want them out walking talking

1:43:36to folks making contact building those

1:43:38and trying to offer services more than

1:43:41sitting inside of a space. And so that's

1:43:43the balance piece there. Uh to your

1:43:45point, we absolutely need additional

1:43:47space for training and other things to

1:43:50include improving our range. Um think

1:43:53we've got a possible way to fund a lot

1:43:56of that things. Uh we just have to wait

1:43:58and see how things play out. But if not,

1:44:00then absolutely I'll be looking to look

1:44:03for that sport to continue to improve

1:44:05our infrastructures and our facilities.

1:44:08>> Oh yeah, they've been it's been a

1:44:09challenge.

1:44:10>> Is it first thing at the seniors?

1:44:12>> It is. And uh as well as Fairview, um

1:44:15there's not a spot left in Fairview. We

1:44:17have a full-time records clerk over

1:44:19there working. Um and then Baxter

1:44:21Street's busy and we people are saying,

1:44:23"Hey, can I get a space?" And so we're

1:44:25back and forth, but hopefully um the

1:44:28mall will work out something there.

1:44:30We're hoping and I appreciate you making

1:44:32that that contact so we can look at

1:44:35maybe that as a solution as well.

1:44:37>> I hope so, too. and the space needs

1:44:39assessment that you all were briefed on

1:44:41recently also covered those those types

1:44:43of items and so don't be surprised if

1:44:46you see some of those come up in this

1:44:47discussion at the retreat also

1:44:51just quickly chief u thanks for letting

1:44:53the public know about you got 30 cameras

1:44:56some people think we got hundreds of

1:44:58cameras

1:45:00we don't appreciate um highlight that um

1:45:05secondly um

1:45:07um

1:45:10um with those um cameras that we got um

1:45:15tied in the other community. I think

1:45:17people need to understand that you know

1:45:20those communities volunteer

1:45:22to use you know to for y'all to access

1:45:25those cameras and [clears throat] if

1:45:27anything get hacked you know we always

1:45:29talk about stuff getting hacked where

1:45:30anything can get hacked large

1:45:32corporation have gotten hacked so I

1:45:34don't want I don't want the um the

1:45:37narrative to be thought camps can get

1:45:39hacked any organization can get hacked I

1:45:42mean that just part of life and

1:45:44technology you got people out there try

1:45:46to do bad. So, um I think um I

1:45:50appreciate about the 30 cameras though.

1:45:52I think that's critical because I think

1:45:53the nature is we got all these cameras.

1:45:56This community flock cameras and that's

1:45:59not the case. So, thank you.

1:46:00>> There are plenty of communities that

1:46:02their HOA has flock cameras. That's not

1:46:06We don't pay for them. We don't service

1:46:07them, but we do have access them which

1:46:10helps us solve crimes. Um I know uh out

1:46:13in the community

1:46:16Um, and they have a flock camera as well

1:46:18out there. I mean, again, you know,

1:46:21businesses, other places have apartment

1:46:23complexes have them as well because they

1:46:26believe in the safety, you know, that

1:46:28they help. So,

1:46:30>> thank

1:46:32you, Chief.

1:46:32>> Chief, appreciate the service. Thanks

1:46:34for all your crew. Thank you.

1:46:39>> Call up Chief Moss,

1:46:42another arm of our public safety

1:46:44apparatus. Good afternoon.

1:46:48>> Good to see you, Mayor. Appreciate it.

1:46:51>> Thank all of you for the time this

1:46:53afternoon to be able to talk a little

1:46:55bit about fire department. I know this

1:46:57will be a very high level discussion. We

1:46:59are here to uh to to to go over this as

1:47:03well as answer questions and we of

1:47:04course we know you've got another

1:47:05presentation following this that you're

1:47:06going to be interested in. So, we

1:47:08certainly do appreciate you sticking

1:47:10with us. wanted to give you a little

1:47:13idea of kind of what we're capturing as

1:47:15a as a snapshot what we've accomplished

1:47:17for the year. Um this these numbers

1:47:20thankfully have been updated. Um at

1:47:22least I did the updates in my own uh

1:47:24notes today. So we're looking at over

1:47:267,500 well actually almost 7,500

1:47:29incident responses thus far this year.

1:47:32Um averaging pretty much about the same

1:47:3430.3 incidents per day is where we

1:47:36average now. And we've increased to 72

1:47:39structure fires since I did this slide.

1:47:41So obviously we're being utilized reason

1:47:43we're here mainly. You guys recognize we

1:47:45fight fires, but we also respond to

1:47:47motor vehicle crashes and we've

1:47:49responded to 3629

1:47:51EMS incidents as of this morning. Um

1:47:55something I did want to draw to your

1:47:56attention, as you can see pictured here,

1:47:58we have a couple of training exercises,

1:48:00something that we of course uh as

1:48:02firefighters are required to do each

1:48:03year. we see broken down kind of the

1:48:05number of hours per um uh per

1:48:09firefighter. We have to have 228 hours

1:48:12for ISO requirements as well as 24 hours

1:48:15to maintain our state certification as

1:48:17firefighters each year and all of our

1:48:19emergency medical services personnel

1:48:21have to renew their 40 hours every two

1:48:23years. Um you see the numbers there,

1:48:2644,446

1:48:27training hours. We divide that by the

1:48:29number of firefighters that are actually

1:48:31responsible for all of the the hands-on

1:48:33work. That's about 270 plus hours per

1:48:35person is an average. That's a lot of

1:48:37training, but you expect us to train to

1:48:39be able to do what we do. So, we wanted

1:48:42to acknowledge some of the training that

1:48:44we've been able to do over the past

1:48:45year. One of those we do have to thank

1:48:48our local union for helping us with some

1:48:50hazardous materials technician training.

1:48:52Uh they secured that through the

1:48:53International Association of

1:48:55Firefighters. It didn't cost the county

1:48:57anything. Um it's something that they

1:48:58had promised to bring in for us. Some

1:49:00needed training. We kind of had a chance

1:49:02to discuss with them kind of where we

1:49:04wanted to start. They were able to uh to

1:49:06to apply and accommodate that request

1:49:09and we're going to continue doing that

1:49:10in the years moving forward, taking

1:49:12advantage of some outside um trainers to

1:49:15come in to train our people that are

1:49:17very good at at their jobs, very skilled

1:49:19in the in the levels of expertise that

1:49:20we require them in. But locally, we're

1:49:23providing our own firefighters

1:49:25opportunities for career growth and

1:49:27development. for providing fire officer

1:49:29training that teaches them not only um

1:49:31how to be in charge of an incident but

1:49:34teaches them how to manage people,

1:49:36teaches them how to do things the Athens

1:49:38Park County government way as far as

1:49:40maintaining um appropriate levels of of

1:49:43procedures, human resources, legalities,

1:49:46and basically how to manage a fire

1:49:48station uh in the absence of a

1:49:50supervisor. So, they're learning those

1:49:51um in-house. We we we prefer to keep

1:49:54most of our training in house where

1:49:55possible, but we do offer opportunities

1:49:59for outside of the department training

1:50:01and we we try very hard to support

1:50:03training as a department.

1:50:06Something we're very excited about is

1:50:09new fire apparatus and and you uh all

1:50:12yes, you're excited. You know where I'm

1:50:14going with this. As you can see on the

1:50:16right, that was October of last year. A

1:50:18few of you were able to attend the push

1:50:19in of our uh new rescue truck on Ogal

1:50:21forth Avenue, station 4. Um and then a

1:50:24picture to the left is our new ladder

1:50:26one that is stationed here downtown.

1:50:28They put that into service in February

1:50:30of this year. Um we do appreciate and

1:50:33wanted to acknowledge the support that

1:50:34we've received from the the mayor, the

1:50:36commission, the manager's office,

1:50:38central services, finance department,

1:50:40everybody that helped to make this a

1:50:42possibility for us. We know these are

1:50:45big ticket items. We acknowledge they're

1:50:47very expensive, but we also want to

1:50:49acknowledge how big of an investment

1:50:51this is for the community. These trucks

1:50:53are 20 year plus life cycle. So, you're

1:50:57not just investing for a new truck

1:50:58today. You're in investing on a truck

1:51:00that's going to last a quarter of a

1:51:01century for this community. Um the

1:51:04trucks that we have here, um again, 20

1:51:0825 year life cycle of placement, but we

1:51:11do have more on the way. And if we see

1:51:15pictured here, we have one hazardous

1:51:17materials truck pictured in the center,

1:51:19kind of the taller one, and then four

1:51:21pumpers that are coming. These trucks

1:51:24are replacing older models. The the

1:51:26hazardous materials truck is replacing a

1:51:282004 model truck that will go into

1:51:31reserve status. So, it will be our

1:51:33backup reser reserve rescue or hazmat

1:51:36truck based on the need if one of those

1:51:38other trucks are down for repairs. We

1:51:40also have four pumpers that are

1:51:42replacing 20 seven and 2008 model

1:51:45trucks, placing those trucks into

1:51:48reserve status or going on the auction

1:51:50block based on serviceability. Um we are

1:51:53excited to know that these will be in

1:51:55our hands in our possession probably in

1:51:57a couple of weeks or less. The pumpers

1:52:00have slightly lower life cycle

1:52:02replacement time timeline 15 years of

1:52:04front line and then they go into reserve

1:52:06status for about three years. So again

1:52:08major investments for our community. So

1:52:10thank you for the support of that.

1:52:15We're also very excited for some of the

1:52:17the initiatives that have been adopted

1:52:19by the mayor and commission as well as

1:52:20the support of the manager's office on a

1:52:22lot of things. Number one being our new

1:52:24pay plan. You guys help us to implement

1:52:26a pay plan that is workable, feasible

1:52:28for our people. Not only did it put our

1:52:31firefighters closer to market for the

1:52:33value that they bring to the community,

1:52:35but it also has helped us to encourage

1:52:37promotion. um our folks were kind of

1:52:40staying stagnant some due to financial

1:52:42disco decisions that they had to make

1:52:44for their own family. As a fire chief,

1:52:46I'm not going to argue with what right

1:52:48works better for someone's family based

1:52:49on dollars. But thankfully with the new

1:52:51structure of a pay plan, there is more

1:52:53incentive financially to reward somebody

1:52:55for taking on a lot more responsibility.

1:52:58And uh that's something that we've seen

1:53:00already the benefits in just the short

1:53:02amount of time since the implementation

1:53:03of this plan nine months ago. Um, we're

1:53:06already looking forward to our spring of

1:53:08next year where we're going to host

1:53:10another promotion uh for the various

1:53:12ranks, sergeant, lieutenant, captain,

1:53:13and so forth, even battalion chief

1:53:15potentially with some retirements. So,

1:53:17we are very glad to have the support in

1:53:19that. We also know par fought battle to

1:53:23select a site for fire station 5, but

1:53:25we're progressing nicely with that

1:53:26project and we wanted to acknowledge

1:53:28again that um lengthy discussion that we

1:53:30know you you guys weigh the pros and the

1:53:32cons

1:53:36with a new structure

1:53:38in financ.

1:53:42[laughter]

1:53:43So, we know that we've had to make

1:53:46decisions that were again 50-year plus

1:53:48investment for the safety of the

1:53:50community. We are happy to have the

1:53:52support of a public safety oriented

1:53:54commission to support the decisions that

1:53:56we make operationally. Um, we don't want

1:53:59to spend money willy-nilly. We don't

1:54:00want to make decisions willy-nilly.

1:54:02Everything is measured with a purpose

1:54:04back based on data and and and

1:54:07statistics and actual firefighting best

1:54:10practices. and we appreciate the fact

1:54:11that we've been able to move forward in

1:54:13that process uh to bring a well-needed

1:54:16resource to the east side of the

1:54:17community. Uh we just started a recruit

1:54:20class uh on August 28th uh just a couple

1:54:23of short weeks ago and uh another

1:54:26recruit class will start at the very

1:54:27last day of this year. So we have uh

1:54:29more recruits on the way. Uh seven

1:54:32months of training time for them. So,

1:54:33it's a long time before we see them on

1:54:35the streets, but they're going to be

1:54:36equipped to be certified fire and

1:54:38emergency medical technicians upon a

1:54:40graduation.

1:54:41Oh, let me back up. I'm sorry. I wanted

1:54:43to highlight young lady right here with

1:54:45our community partner, the uh career

1:54:47counseling of of the Athens community

1:54:51career academy. We've got a lot of

1:54:52acronyms in this community. I'm sorry.

1:54:54The uh graduate you see on the top

1:54:56center of this picture, Laya Sloan, she

1:54:59wanted to be in public safety since she

1:55:01was very little. She pursued that

1:55:03passion and thankfully had an avenue

1:55:04through the career pathway program with

1:55:07the career academy. She's graduated. She

1:55:09is working um her way to become a

1:55:11paramedic. She's actually going to try

1:55:13to get a job with Grady EMS and

1:55:15eventually move to Washington DC to

1:55:17where she would be closer to family

1:55:19looking to work for a fire department

1:55:20out that way. So, what a tremendous

1:55:22success. We wish we could retain her

1:55:24here, but we know the career pathways

1:55:26isn't necessarily geographically

1:55:28specific, but we do appreciate the fact

1:55:30that we're seeing success stories like

1:55:31Llaya's uh pictured next to Lieutenant

1:55:34Roberts, our career academy instructor.

1:55:36We've got more to come. We've got one

1:55:38that's in the verge of graduating now

1:55:39that's actually helping us on a

1:55:40part-time basis at the training center.

1:55:43We're looking forward to his graduation

1:55:44and hopefully seeing where that goes.

1:55:48We do, of course, take pride in in

1:55:50opportunities to engage the community.

1:55:51We are thankful for the support of of

1:55:54the manager's office to help us to uh

1:55:57take a borrowed position that we were

1:55:59using to be able to do some community

1:56:00engagement. We're actually reallocated a

1:56:03position to hire a civilian uh community

1:56:06outreach engagement coordinator. Uh

1:56:08we're actually doing interviews next

1:56:09week and assessments for that process.

1:56:11So, we appreciate the fact that we

1:56:13should have somebody on the streets

1:56:14helping us with these uh important fire

1:56:17and life safety education events, these

1:56:20community outreach events, and seeing

1:56:22where we could grow uh from there. We're

1:56:24just now starting to keep statistics, so

1:56:25I don't have the statistics like Chief

1:56:27Salters had on the number of of outreach

1:56:30events we've been able to attend, but

1:56:31we're thankful that we're able to do a

1:56:32lot more.

1:56:33>> So, civilian position.

1:56:35>> It is a civilian position, isn't it?

1:56:37And we are happy to take participate

1:56:40with civic organizations and various

1:56:43levels of of training. Uh we also are

1:56:46happy to uh participate in the ACC gov

1:56:49101. You see that in the top picture

1:56:51there. What a wonderful time we had in

1:56:53educating folks about fire and life

1:56:54safety as well as an emergency

1:56:56management. Uh they they asked a lot of

1:56:58questions, got a lot of interactive

1:57:00activities. Uh but it was a lot of

1:57:02information that was very beneficial for

1:57:04that group and we hope to extend that uh

1:57:06into the community with the appropriate

1:57:08amount of resources. And of course we

1:57:10appreciate the opportunity to honor

1:57:11those that have paved the way for us.

1:57:13It's our fourth annual retiree breakfast

1:57:15that you see on the bottom right picture

1:57:17there. Uh the firefighters that led the

1:57:19way before us. Uh we were happy to be

1:57:20able to to honor them, spend a little

1:57:22bit of time with them, tell stories from

1:57:24the past. Uh it was very very

1:57:27encouraging for our department to be

1:57:28able to participate in that.

1:57:32Something we want to be very mindful is

1:57:34just the being thankful for the um the

1:57:37limited funds that we do have. We know

1:57:38that everything has a finite dollar

1:57:40amount that that is attached to it when

1:57:42it comes to a budget. We're thankful for

1:57:44the support in being able to increase

1:57:46our operating budget to do important

1:57:47things like life cycle replacement of

1:57:50the um self-contained breathing

1:57:51apparatus filling stations. We're

1:57:54starting a process. We've done the

1:57:55oldest one at fire station number seven.

1:57:57Uh well over 20 years old. uh we're

1:58:00looking at doing uh um more

1:58:02incrementally uh over o over over the

1:58:04course of the next few years as life

1:58:06cycle uh dictates. So we're looking to

1:58:08methodically replace those with uh

1:58:10current models. We're also happy to work

1:58:13alongside the sustainability department.

1:58:15We've installed solar panels at fire

1:58:17station 8 on Jefferson Road and new and

1:58:19new uh panels are being installed at

1:58:21fire station 9 on Danielsville Road. We

1:58:23want to be uh very mindful to to have as

1:58:26good of an impact on the community when

1:58:28it comes to being sustainable using

1:58:30renewable resources uh and being very

1:58:32mindful of the of the community's voice

1:58:35when it comes to how we uh uh go about

1:58:38our day-to-day operations.

1:58:40Some of the other things we look forward

1:58:42to are ways to continue to improve our

1:58:44own, you know, u communication within

1:58:47the department. We've we've bought what

1:58:48we call digital dashboards. They're

1:58:50basically TVs that will allow us to

1:58:52share messages throughout the

1:58:53department. Many time our firefighters

1:58:55don't get to check email. They're doing

1:58:56hands-on work. They're not always

1:58:58available to sit in front of a computer

1:59:00screen uh to be able to to get the

1:59:02information that we from from

1:59:03administration pass along to them. Uh

1:59:05however, this is way to improve commun

1:59:08communication but also for them to see

1:59:09the work that they're doing. We report

1:59:11in real time some of the same statistics

1:59:13that I showed uh you all at the very

1:59:15onset of this presentation. Some of

1:59:18those same statistics will be available

1:59:19for public uh use on our website very

1:59:22soon. We're going to be able to make

1:59:23that available so they can see kind of

1:59:25updated almost in real time the types of

1:59:27calls we're running, the number of calls

1:59:29we're running, and they can see the

1:59:30impact on the fire department within the

1:59:33community.

1:59:37Something we're also thankful for is

1:59:38having the support to be able to improve

1:59:40our management of policies and standard

1:59:44operating procedures and guidelines. We

1:59:46are partnering with a company called

1:59:48Lexipole. They're uh experts in the

1:59:50public safety community for policy

1:59:53implementation. So, we're going to be

1:59:55utilizing them to to update policies to

1:59:57make sure that those policies are

1:59:59standardized on a state level, but also

2:00:00customized to our own department's needs

2:00:03and those are easily communicated to our

2:00:05folks in the field so they uh know

2:00:07exactly um what what updates are um

2:00:11implemented, what is expected of them,

2:00:13and how they can safely go about doing

2:00:14their jobs.

2:00:19Something else we're looking forward to

2:00:21is strides towards accreditation. Um

2:00:24just like the police department, they've

2:00:26been accredited for quite some time. We

2:00:27are trying to play catch-up in a lot of

2:00:29things organizationally. Um they've

2:00:31paved a great way. They've seen the

2:00:33benefits of accredit accreditation. I

2:00:35could speak to those, but you probably

2:00:36are all very aware of how beneficial

2:00:38accreditation is. But some of the things

2:00:40I did want to highlight is the impact

2:00:42and the expectations of accreditation on

2:00:44the community. Um something that we have

2:00:47highlighted here is the standards of

2:00:48cover for actual neighborhood risks. So,

2:00:51we want our accreditation process to be

2:00:54unique to the customized um capabilities

2:00:57of our department as we react to

2:00:59emergencies within our neighborhoods,

2:01:01how we navigate our streets, the

2:01:03emergencies and buildings that we have

2:01:05to to to to respond to. That's something

2:01:08that that our process of accreditation

2:01:10would be very very mindful of uh for the

2:01:12benefit of the community. Uh it'll also

2:01:15uh make sure we're very transparent in

2:01:17our response model, our response times,

2:01:20where we're coming from, how long it

2:01:22takes us to get there. We also want to

2:01:25know that the the taxpayers funds are

2:01:27being utilized properly. We want them to

2:01:29see that these heavy investments into

2:01:31fire trucks, stations, and so forth are

2:01:34being utilized in the most

2:01:38appropriate manner possible.

2:01:40It helps you all as decision makers to

2:01:42justify the budget. Helps you to make

2:01:44those tough decisions and helps you to

2:01:45stand beside the decisions you've made

2:01:48already when it comes to the safety of

2:01:50this community and the effect that we

2:01:52can have. We again appreciate that very

2:01:55much.

2:01:57Currently, the fire department houses

2:01:59emergency management. We know you guys

2:02:01are veryware well aware of an audit that

2:02:03just uh was done by the auditing

2:02:05department as well and and is something

2:02:07that you just voted on at the most

2:02:08recent mayor commission uh meeting. Um

2:02:12so I'm not going to belabor that. Um

2:02:13there's a lot a future discussion I'm

2:02:15sure that we'll be had when it comes to

2:02:17emergency management. But I did want to

2:02:18kind of sing the praises of Meredith,

2:02:20our EMA coordinator. She's doing a lot

2:02:22of work as one person. and she's doing a

2:02:23lot of work keeping plans updated such

2:02:26as our uh uh our um continuity of

2:02:29operations plan. She's working to do the

2:02:32local emergency planning committee

2:02:33kickoff that just happened a couple

2:02:36weeks ago. And from what I hear, that

2:02:37was a very uh successful venture when it

2:02:39comes to our community partners that

2:02:41have an investment in this community and

2:02:43how we respond together in the event of

2:02:45an unfortunate

2:02:47countywide emergency, large-scale

2:02:49emergency. She's also helped us to

2:02:52really revitalize our search and rescue

2:02:55training. She's already done some boots

2:02:56on the ground training and and and

2:02:58coming in the near near future is going

2:03:00to be some from a management level

2:03:02training so we know what resources we

2:03:04need to deploy when we are called upon

2:03:07to to search for somebody that's lost.

2:03:09How we can go about doing this in the

2:03:11most um organized fashion. how how we

2:03:14can go about it in a very deliberate

2:03:16manner while we're making full use of

2:03:18the resources that are available to us.

2:03:23We also are appreciative of the fact

2:03:24that um internally ACC gov is has got

2:03:28some training opportunities coming up.

2:03:30So department directors and assistant

2:03:31directors are going to be kind of

2:03:33briefed on how they can be uh involved

2:03:35in the incident command system, how they

2:03:37um supposed to respond in an emergency

2:03:39operation center setting. some we have

2:03:42some new department directors and new

2:03:43assistant directors. So, there's going

2:03:45to be a level of of of kind of kind of

2:03:47ramping them up on what to expect in the

2:03:49event of an emergency within our

2:03:51community.

2:03:53And some of the ongoing things that

2:03:54we're continuing to work on, some of our

2:03:56goals that we're trying to meet is

2:03:57continuing to have consistent community

2:04:00facilities for warming um for popup

2:04:02locations. Uh we're continuing to

2:04:04develop and and and maintain

2:04:06relationships in that in that end. We're

2:04:08also looking for um the support to be

2:04:11able to continue to educate the

2:04:13community at large, what what they need

2:04:15to know in the event of potential

2:04:17emergencies of various types and also

2:04:19resurrect some programs that we've just

2:04:21not had the bandwidth to do. Uh those

2:04:23are some things that are in the works

2:04:25and I'm sure Meredith has got some great

2:04:26plans that she would love to share with

2:04:28you on a time when she had a little more

2:04:30time to be able to go into detail. Um

2:04:32but she's doing great things with with

2:04:33what we have and we're heading in the

2:04:35right direction as far as that goes. And

2:04:37also if there's an event in which we are

2:04:39called upon for search and rescue or to

2:04:41stand up our own shelter, how do we

2:04:43support the community

2:04:45a as as the number one priority, but how

2:04:48do we also support the the employees of

2:04:50ACC gov who may be called upon to do

2:04:52some additional duties beyond what they

2:04:55were originally hired to do on their

2:04:58daily basis.

2:05:02And of course, as you know, the fire

2:05:03department also responds to about 60 to

2:05:0765% of our calls are going to be

2:05:09emergency medical services types of

2:05:11calls. So, these are the numbers of what

2:05:13we currently have on the department as

2:05:15far as EMTs, inter uh uh intermediate or

2:05:19advanced EMTs or paramedics. And we do

2:05:21have a few folks that are are not listed

2:05:23here that are emergency responder level.

2:05:26All of the department actually responds

2:05:27at an emergency responder level. Um, but

2:05:30we do have some that are near retiring

2:05:33and and and and can choose to become

2:05:36more trained in the EMS world, um, but

2:05:38currently are are are just emergency

2:05:40responder level because they're not the

2:05:42hands-on people when it comes to patient

2:05:43care. Um, anybody that [clears throat]

2:05:46that graduates from our recruit class

2:05:48now will be at least an EMT.

2:05:51However, we do want to make you aware of

2:05:52some of the initiatives that the

2:05:53department is um putting to improve our

2:05:56EMS services to the community. And if I

2:05:59could direct your attention to the back

2:06:00of the room, I've got two gentlemen's

2:06:02been very patient with this process. If

2:06:05you don't mind standing, I can point you

2:06:07out. I'm sorry to single them out. These

2:06:09are our two new tourist new EMS

2:06:11captains. So, we had one, but you had

2:06:13approved three positions that we were

2:06:15not able to staff. We were having

2:06:17staffing level issues. We finalized

2:06:21getting them into place in the

2:06:23positions. Um, now we're taking steps to

2:06:26improve the medical services of of our

2:06:28community. So, JW Halum and Josh Allen

2:06:32are our two new um, both internal

2:06:36promotions. They they came from our

2:06:38department. They're very skilled in what

2:06:39they do. Excellent EMTs, excellent

2:06:41firefighters, excellent fire officers,

2:06:43but now they're kind of branching out

2:06:44into more administrative role. So, we're

2:06:47working through kind of together the

2:06:49roadmap for the future. So, that's kind

2:06:51of what I wanted to discuss. Thank you,

2:06:52gentlemen.

2:06:54So some of the main highlights to to

2:06:57have a successful roadmap for emergency

2:07:00medical response. We're already doing

2:07:02some of this stuff, but we're looking to

2:07:04look for opportunities for improvement.

2:07:07Well, the response performance is

2:07:08something that will be highlighted in

2:07:09the next presentation. So I'm not even

2:07:11going to go into that if y'all don't

2:07:12mind. But um clinical excellence is

2:07:16always going to strive for. We're going

2:07:17to want to be 100% comp compliant with

2:07:20Georgia, the state of Georgia's um

2:07:23protocols when it comes to emergency

2:07:25medical services. We want to make sure

2:07:27that we have a strong quality assurance

2:07:29and improvement program. So, that means

2:07:30we're going to have to go in there and

2:07:32kind of judge the quality of the work

2:07:34that we're doing in the field. That's

2:07:36what these gentlemen are here to do.

2:07:37They're not necessarily going to be

2:07:39always hands-on themselves, but they're

2:07:41going to be watching and making sure

2:07:42that our training is appropriate to the

2:07:44needs of our department as we provide

2:07:47those services to the community.

2:07:50And we do have a goal of adding

2:07:52additional advanced EMTs. So eventually

2:07:55we're hoping that anybody that graduates

2:07:57a recruit school will be trained to that

2:08:00level as well as an opportunity for us

2:08:02to start bridging the gap of our EMT

2:08:05basics to that level of advanced EMTs

2:08:08because of what we can provide. Now

2:08:09we're not trying to replace the great

2:08:11work that's done by National DMS. We're

2:08:13just trying to provide additional

2:08:15support to the community to help in a

2:08:18time of need. Right now we're very

2:08:20limited on the interventions we can do

2:08:21as as basic EMTs. So, we're looking to

2:08:24be able to broaden those skill sets of

2:08:26what we can offer in an e situation

2:08:29until we get a patient stable and ready

2:08:30for transport by now. Some of the other

2:08:33things that we have to make sure we have

2:08:35is continued great relationship with our

2:08:37medical director. We share the same

2:08:39medical director as national, Dr. Horse.

2:08:41He does a great job and we're looking

2:08:43forward to maintaining that

2:08:45relationship. Um, we also want to make

2:08:47sure that we're keeping our protocols

2:08:49updated and that's something that we are

2:08:51constantly looking for opportunities to

2:08:53make improvements internally to make

2:08:55sure we're following in line with what

2:08:57our EMS transport provider is doing as

2:09:00well as what the state of Georgia is

2:09:01mandating.

2:09:04Also want to make sure as we continue

2:09:06going down that list, our integration

2:09:07with national. We want it to be a smooth

2:09:09patient transfer. We want to make sure

2:09:11we're training together. We want to make

2:09:13sure that we're being dispatched in the

2:09:14same manner. That's something that's a

2:09:16little tricky for us now because we have

2:09:18two independent dispatchers. We're

2:09:19working through a lot of glitches when

2:09:20it comes to dispatch. And one of the

2:09:22things that we're doing to improve that

2:09:24is by having quarterly meetings with

2:09:26national, our 911 dispatch, our UG

2:09:29partners, as well as, you know, of

2:09:30course, fire department and other DPH

2:09:32partners. We're having discussions about

2:09:34performance. We're having discussions

2:09:36about um communication, how we can make

2:09:38vast improvements in that area. So

2:09:40that's an ongoing thing we're looking to

2:09:42improve because we don't want to be

2:09:43dispatched to one thing while they're

2:09:45being dispatched to a different

2:09:46different thing for the same car. Um so

2:09:49we're working through how that's going

2:09:50to look as far as we as far as we

2:09:53continue to make improvements in that

2:09:55regard.

2:09:57And this the joint training exercises

2:09:59we're looking to revamp some stuff that

2:10:01we used to do at a station level. We're

2:10:02trying to do it on a more broader scale

2:10:04inviting the national EMS ambulances

2:10:06when available to join us in training.

2:10:08We will go to their training. We're

2:10:10going to make sure that they're included

2:10:11in training that's me more fire

2:10:12department-based training with a little

2:10:14twist of EMS. And vice versa for us,

2:10:17we're going to go into more EMS heavily

2:10:18focused training with a little twist of

2:10:21fire. You know, it's just to give our

2:10:22folks an opportunity for some

2:10:24flexibility to run more realistic

2:10:27training scenarios.

2:10:30And of course, we want to make sure that

2:10:31we're doing something that is

2:10:33financially sustained. So, we have to

2:10:36crawl, walk, run. We don't want to get

2:10:38ahead of ourselves when it comes to what

2:10:40we want to throw into a program, but

2:10:42we're with the measured approach that

2:10:43we're taking with the support of the

2:10:45manager's office and you all, we feel

2:10:47that we're going to have something that

2:10:48is sustainable. We're going to be able

2:10:49to take care of those perishable items

2:10:52that we would use. We don't bill for our

2:10:55services, so things do come at a cost.

2:10:57Um, however, what we need in the field

2:11:00to operate is far less intimidating than

2:11:03what we would need if we were an actual

2:11:05transport service. So what we're looking

2:11:07it's very achievable for us. So you'll

2:11:09see some numbers at some point to to to

2:11:11look at for your consideration that

2:11:13would make sense based on our response

2:11:15model. So that's something that I will

2:11:16provide for you all in the very near

2:11:18future.

2:11:22Of course you know that our fire

2:11:23marshall's office handles a wide variety

2:11:25of things you see listed there and and

2:11:28they range from inspections to plan

2:11:31review and and and and this community is

2:11:33continuing to grow. It is becoming more

2:11:35complex, is becoming more complicated

2:11:38when it comes to building types, uh,

2:11:40building height. We don't have a problem

2:11:43with development. We we certainly don't,

2:11:45but we know that when it comes to

2:11:47additional heights and building, as was

2:11:48discussed earlier, we are involved with

2:11:50those discussions and and we're so

2:11:52grateful to be involved with those

2:11:53discussions because it is vital for the

2:11:55safety of our community for us to be

2:11:57able to say that doesn't look safe or

2:12:00that's not feasible when it comes to our

2:12:02folks having to respond to this

2:12:03emergency. Thankfully, within the

2:12:05community, we've been able to keep that

2:12:09discussion going. We're trying to not

2:12:11curb development. We're not trying to

2:12:13stop good ideas from happening, but we

2:12:16also understand that sometimes when it

2:12:18comes with growth, there may be some

2:12:19growing pains. So, we're very realistic

2:12:21and measurable in our approach to

2:12:23things. We know with taller buildings

2:12:25come safer construction that

2:12:27[clears throat] comes with taller

2:12:28buildings. That makes me have less

2:12:30headache and nightmares at night. But at

2:12:32the same time, how do I train my

2:12:35firefighters to operate in a taller

2:12:37building setting? What kind of resources

2:12:39would be needed? Um, so those are the

2:12:42things that we kind of continue to weigh

2:12:43the pros and the cons. Um, but we have

2:12:45to thank you for the support we're

2:12:46having because we're not being asked to

2:12:48make decisions that are not feasible for

2:12:51our department. We we've been able to

2:12:53get the measured growth when it came to

2:12:55staffing or the support when it comes to

2:12:56fire apparatus or station locations.

2:12:59You've been able to provide that to us

2:13:00and that's kind of what we need from you

2:13:02all. And I wanted to thank you again for

2:13:03that. And what the community expects

2:13:05from us, they expect us to be able to

2:13:07respond to any kind of emergency. They

2:13:10want us to be

2:13:13brain surgeons basically when we arrive

2:13:15to the scene. Who they want us to be

2:13:17Olympic athletes when we arrive to the

2:13:19scene. They want [clears throat] us to

2:13:20be able to do anything that they need us

2:13:22to do when they call 911. And that's not

2:13:23unrealist realistic for them to expect

2:13:26out of us. What is up to us is to

2:13:28provide that to them to the best of our

2:13:29abilities. So, we're not asking for a

2:13:33lot. We're just wanting to be able to

2:13:35continue to build the measured growth

2:13:36that you've already given us thus far so

2:13:38we can graduate skilled firefighters

2:13:41from one of our recruit classes. They'll

2:13:43be great at fighting fires, be great at

2:13:45helping people out of a of a motor motor

2:13:47vehicle crash, be great at emergency

2:13:49medical calls. These are the

2:13:51expectations the community has of us and

2:13:53we're very very well well aware of that

2:13:55and we appreciate the fact that we as a

2:13:57department have only grown in a positive

2:14:00way in the past 15 20 years. We've got

2:14:04nothing but better and we have no desire

2:14:06to ever slow down when it comes to our

2:14:08progress and our continued growth. Um

2:14:10and we we know that that's only possible

2:14:12with the support of our community and

2:14:13from you all. So I do again want to

2:14:16thank you and I am here to answer

2:14:17questions if they don't necessarily

2:14:19coincide with the next presentation.

2:14:22>> Thanks Chief Dexter.

2:14:23>> Thank you. Thank you chief and

2:14:25appreciate you.

2:14:28My name

2:14:30for what the men and women do for the

2:14:31fire department. Um got three questions.

2:14:34Um

2:14:35what you recruits how many recruits

2:14:37[clears throat] you got there

2:14:39>> in the class right now? Currently I have

2:14:40nine I believe that is right now.

2:14:43#for your numbers for what you're trying

2:14:45to fill.

2:14:46>> What we're trying to fill, I think we're

2:14:48trying to fill as many staffing gaps as

2:14:50it's feasible. So, what we're looking to

2:14:52do, I guess, to give you a little bit of

2:14:53peak behind the curtain of what we're

2:14:55doing. So, this will close the gap to

2:14:58about three to four actual vacant

2:15:00firefighter level positions for us. But,

2:15:03we're also looking to basically hire

2:15:06positions that we've already been

2:15:07approved at the sergeant rank. Um, I've

2:15:10just recently done a reorganization in

2:15:12the structure of the fire department,

2:15:13creating more sergeant positions. So,

2:15:15ideally, we're going to have sergeant

2:15:17level driver operators in the future for

2:15:19all of our apparatus on all shifts. Um,

2:15:22but it's going to take us a couple years

2:15:23to fill that gap because I basically

2:15:25created a gap at a higher level rank.

2:15:28So, we're going to hire probably about

2:15:31six to eight additional folks for the

2:15:32next recruit class to not only fill all

2:15:34the firefighter level gaps, but maybe

2:15:36also kind of over hire for that level

2:15:39from from an already approved um salary

2:15:42position. That makes sense to you.

2:15:44>> Um

2:15:47the training center, um that's a great

2:15:50training and I would encourage my

2:15:52colleagues to go out there and watch

2:15:54what they do, what our firefighters do.

2:15:55Thank you, um for doing that. Um the

2:15:58last question is the fire marshall

2:16:00office. Um one of the things we've been

2:16:03getting as commissioners about blasting.

2:16:05>> Yes sir.

2:16:06>> So now are our um fires of fire marshall

2:16:10are they trained in the blasting when

2:16:12these developers come in and do

2:16:14blasting?

2:16:15>> They are. Yes sir. So they do they do

2:16:17oversee the blasting. This the state

2:16:19actually oversees the blasting

2:16:21operations. All all people that are

2:16:24licensed to do blasting within the

2:16:25community do so through the state of

2:16:28Georgia. Um, however, our firefighters

2:16:30know what contingencies need to be in

2:16:32place. Our schema fire marshals need to

2:16:34know what contingencies are in place

2:16:36when it comes to blasting. There's

2:16:38things called curtains that dampen the

2:16:40noise and also the debris that flies up.

2:16:42They know, you know, the proper

2:16:43notifications that need to be sent out.

2:16:45They know basically all of the nuances.

2:16:48they need to just oversee to make sure

2:16:50that the blasting is being done

2:16:51properly. Um so yes sir that is and we

2:16:53do have somebody on site for all of the

2:16:55blasting that does occur in the

2:16:57community.

2:16:57>> Thank you.

2:16:58>> Yes sir.

2:16:59>> Cara

2:16:59>> Oh yeah. Um I have a couple questions in

2:17:02different areas. Um and one actually

2:17:06I'll ask you easy ones first.

2:17:08>> Um in fire station five you got an

2:17:12update for us on it. Are we gonna like

2:17:14when we're going to see that coming out

2:17:15of the ground?

2:17:16That's that's kind of beyond me at this

2:17:19point.

2:17:20>> I I can say I've seen some recent design

2:17:23ideas that just went to public feedback

2:17:24and I think things have went well.

2:17:26>> Okay.

2:17:26>> Um but that's about the farthest I have.

2:17:28I guess our friends in capital should

2:17:30have stuck around.

2:17:31>> Okay. And and in the recruitment, how

2:17:34are we doing with diversity and

2:17:36recruitment?

2:17:36>> We're doing excellent. So, um I invite

2:17:38you to maybe come take a look at our

2:17:40current recruit class. Yeah, I was able

2:17:42to welcome the new recruits a couple

2:17:45weeks ago and and I came back actually

2:17:47the office and that and I did evolve

2:17:49with achieve and certainly want to

2:17:50acknowledge the work you've done in your

2:17:52recruitment folks that the class was the

2:17:54most representative I've seen of our

2:17:56community. I was um quite quite

2:17:58surprised at how diverse that that class

2:18:00was. So, um I don't know if that was

2:18:03just good fortune or if that was through

2:18:05a combination of good fortune and direct

2:18:07effort stuff, but definitely was

2:18:10something notable this time.

2:18:11>> I think we're starting to have a little

2:18:12bit more of a vis visibility within the

2:18:15community when it comes to this could be

2:18:16a career field. I know with the career

2:18:19academy that's one way that we do that,

2:18:20but through social media, through the

2:18:22engagement we've been able to do, that's

2:18:24something that people feel that that

2:18:26they are represented. It's more

2:18:28representative of the community. many

2:18:30many of the discussions that I've had

2:18:32with new recruits are like I never saw

2:18:33this as a career for me. I didn't see it

2:18:35as a career for me until I was 27 years

2:18:37old. So, it was just everybody has their

2:18:39own unique path. But yes, ma'am, that's

2:18:41we we're certainly appreciative of that.

2:18:43And actually that kind of ties into the

2:18:45next one, but I'm I'm wondering if if um

2:18:49you're including more the more

2:18:52responsibility you all are taking on for

2:18:54medical emergencies

2:18:56brings in another category of people and

2:18:59their interests into fire um that

2:19:02weren't there. But in terms of what's

2:19:03going on with the training and the level

2:19:05of CL of of care and it's great to see

2:19:08your the two new captains and then

2:19:10there's already there's a third one,

2:19:13right?

2:19:13>> That's correct. Teaching.

2:19:14>> That's someone back there too.

2:19:17>> I don't think Wood's here.

2:19:18>> Okay. But anyways,

2:19:19>> he's teaching a class actually.

2:19:21[laughter]

2:19:21>> But now does that mean that the all

2:19:24those EMTs now will be able to uh

2:19:28function at the full level of their

2:19:31training? I mean I know all I have is

2:19:34the example of the baby aspirin. Do we

2:19:36have to do anything to different to get

2:19:38them the aspirin or the the protocols?

2:19:41When is that going to happen?

2:19:42>> So so so that's so that is the plan. So

2:19:44as currently as a department we respond

2:19:47at emergency medical responder level to

2:19:50be able to respond to the ENT level and

2:19:53then an advanced level of care is

2:19:56something we would have to have the

2:19:57state come in. have all of the roadmap

2:19:59of how to do that, how to apply, what is

2:20:02needed on our part. We wanted to get the

2:20:05training aspect of of things underway

2:20:08first and make sure we had the financial

2:20:10support to have in hand, the equipment

2:20:12that would be necessary. There's not a

2:20:14lot of equipment that would be added to

2:20:16what we have available to us already,

2:20:17but there is going to be some some

2:20:19training materials that come at a pretty

2:20:22substantial cost. Um, but these are mo

2:20:24mostly upfront cost. So, we're going to

2:20:26have that stuff in front of you all to

2:20:28make the decision on the finances.

2:20:29Hopefully that'll happen sooner because

2:20:31that's something I've been asking about

2:20:32for years and years and it's always to

2:20:35get these guys in those positions and we

2:20:38have put that money in for the cardiac

2:20:40you know there's some pool of money

2:20:42there that's for the cardiac uh foot

2:20:45monitor equipment and such um because I

2:20:48I think that you all do a wonderful job

2:20:50you and the police I mean this is

2:20:52something like basic things that our

2:20:54constituents expect right um and so I

2:20:58just want you all to be able to do what

2:21:01you're all trained to do. And that is in

2:21:04terms of the increased levels of

2:21:05training that you're heading for. Um, do

2:21:09you have any goals set up on that? Is

2:21:11that something you're going to be able

2:21:12to do some training for internally now

2:21:14that you have some people? And will

2:21:16there be any increase in pay for the

2:21:19people who have the higher levels of

2:21:21training as both a incentive and reward

2:21:24for that level of training?

2:21:26>> Great question. So, so first of all, we

2:21:28we do have a thirdparty company that

2:21:30does our initial recruit training right

2:21:33now and we're very happy with the work

2:21:34that they're doing, but right now our

2:21:36folks are focused on the continuing

2:21:38education. So, that's what our

2:21:40>> MS captains are currently doing is folks

2:21:42that are already licensed to help

2:21:44maintain their level of skill. What

2:21:46we're looking to do first probably is

2:21:48going to be quality improvement of the

2:21:51services that we're already doing, but

2:21:53at the same time figuring out how we

2:21:54might be able to internally absorb all

2:21:56of the training ourselves. There will be

2:21:58cost savings if we do that. Um, as far

2:22:00as the second question, that is

2:22:02something that has been discussed

2:22:03whether it be certification bonuses or

2:22:05whether it be something that would be

2:22:07actually, you know, higher salaries,

2:22:09whatever that might be. That's those are

2:22:11those are ideas that we would have to

2:22:13ruminate and and present.

2:22:15that has been discussed.

2:22:16>> You know, those ideas plus making sure

2:22:18that you have the equipment and the

2:22:20medical stuff is great. So, and and I'm

2:22:22also glad to hear that you're all

2:22:23working on uh having quarterly meetings

2:22:27on the dispatchers and because that's

2:22:29that's a crucial thing um to make sure

2:22:32that we have working as smoothly as

2:22:34possible.

2:22:36>> I'm g turn over to Melissa in just a

2:22:38second and then Stephanie, I apologize.

2:22:39I've got to leave here in just a moment.

2:22:41I have a medical appointment. Uh but uh

2:22:43Commissioner Fischer has been kind to

2:22:45take the reign. So good Melissa.

2:22:47>> Yeah. Um I wanted to follow up with the

2:22:49blasting question too because we do get

2:22:51um concerned constituents. I mean I've

2:22:53gotten text messages [clears throat]

2:22:56blowing up around the corner from come

2:22:58from a construction project. And you

2:23:02know in that instant I you know I put

2:23:04two and two together and you know traced

2:23:06the source and I knew the developer and

2:23:08was able to text them find out. when we

2:23:11had some blasting in Normal Town at the

2:23:14med school, um UG put out some notice

2:23:18through their own emails and there were

2:23:20enough folks who work for UG in the

2:23:22neighborhoods that they managed to get

2:23:24that out and neighborhood social media

2:23:26and listers and stuff. Um but we have

2:23:28plenty of places in the community where

2:23:29that's not necess the word's not

2:23:31necessarily getting out. What what's

2:23:32y'all's process for getting the word out

2:23:34to communities that hey, you're going to

2:23:36hear some stuff blowing up. It it's not

2:23:38really something that we've taken the

2:23:40lead in that that's actually the

2:23:41blasting company is required to make

2:23:43notifications to a radius of of however

2:23:46far from the blasting site.

2:23:47>> So close by.

2:23:48>> Yes, ma'am. It's typically it's can't

2:23:50remember the actual line of sight from

2:23:52the actual blasting, but it's pretty

2:23:55close in proximity. So, we don't really

2:23:57go on social media creating a concern

2:24:00for the community in an area that's

2:24:01really only going to affect a very small

2:24:02small pocket. Um, not that we couldn't

2:24:05do a message like that, but that's

2:24:06typically something that is a

2:24:07responsibility off the

2:24:08>> I'd love to see us take care of that.

2:24:11Um, just put out a general social media

2:24:13post saying blast's going to occur in

2:24:15this area around this time.

2:24:17>> We can certainly do that based on the

2:24:18fact that

2:24:19>> I mean people are on edge. You know, we

2:24:20are in war and domestic terrorism is a

2:24:23thing and I just think, you know, people

2:24:25hear hear stuff blowing up even if it's

2:24:26a couple miles away, they get real

2:24:28concerned. Well, since we have to make

2:24:29the appointments to actually oversee the

2:24:31blasting operations, we we could

2:24:32certainly time that just appropriately.

2:24:34>> Love to see that. I think it would it

2:24:36would really ease some

2:24:37>> I I really appreciate the suggestion.

2:24:38Thank you.

2:24:38>> Take it to heart. Yes, ma'am.

2:24:40>> I would also I was going to um thank you

2:24:43so much for bringing that up because we

2:24:44get the phone calls even me over in

2:24:47district six by the mall.

2:24:48>> Yes, ma'am.

2:24:48>> Um fire station 2, I get the same calls

2:24:51and concerns. That's a announcement.

2:24:54Great um you could do that. And you

2:24:57mentioned earlier about work with the

2:24:58career academy.

2:25:00>> So I think you're right about the um

2:25:03increased presence and knowledge about

2:25:05the field because I had a meeting with

2:25:08someone over there and that's that's all

2:25:10they talked about was the fire program

2:25:11fire program. So it's working good. So I

2:25:14wanted to share that with you.

2:25:15>> That sounds great because it's been it's

2:25:16been an investment that was a long time

2:25:18coming. It took a while to set it up.

2:25:19We're just glad to hear that it's

2:25:20successful.

2:25:22>> People are interested.

2:25:23>> Yes. And my this is my last question and

2:25:27it comes from um the emergency

2:25:29management slide and I noticed on the

2:25:33bullet board and there's a bullet under

2:25:35there there's a defined budget and I

2:25:37just wanted to share I I volunteered a

2:25:40couple of nonprofits and one received uh

2:25:42an email from Meredith and they asked

2:25:44for advice. How should I respond? What

2:25:46is she really asking for? And it's

2:25:48essentially on the face of the email she

2:25:50was asking for, would you be willing to

2:25:52participate in the event that we needed

2:25:55cooling shelters or warming shelters and

2:25:57this particular nonprofit is not open

2:26:00during the hours like maybe if it was

2:26:03after hours after 5 or after 3 because

2:26:06it closed at 3 or on weekends. and they

2:26:09asked and and that was the extent I

2:26:12explained what I thought the email was

2:26:14and they followed up a couple of times

2:26:16and I guess there have been back and

2:26:18forth emails about um what type of

2:26:22funding support can they provide like

2:26:25the emergency management office

2:26:28>> um to actually come in and open up the

2:26:31building and I

2:26:33>> I don't have that's not my my area right

2:26:36and so I I noticed that there is on

2:26:38another slide. I can't find it now.

2:26:40There was a um future in a future

2:26:44request for um funding. So, I was

2:26:46wondering for that particular office,

2:26:48would that be a consideration for those

2:26:51community partners that actually have

2:26:52space, but they don't operate during

2:26:55hours. Um say it's um during the

2:26:58weekend, but it's a hot day and we want

2:27:00a cooling spot, but they have plenty of

2:27:01space. They own their own property. um

2:27:04or

2:27:06they just don't have staff that work on

2:27:08the weekends. Like they're not asking

2:27:10for anything extra. They're just asking

2:27:11if you want our support. Can you meet us

2:27:14by paying for it? And is that something

2:27:16that is would be considered?

2:27:18>> I think all options would be considered

2:27:20to be honest. I would imagine that this

2:27:21a lot of that discussion would have to

2:27:23stem from your desire of where you would

2:27:25like to see emermergency management go

2:27:27and how we would respond in the event of

2:27:29an emergency um in which sheltering was

2:27:32a need. Um I I think since I know I know

2:27:36with with relation to the audit, I don't

2:27:38want to speak for our auditor here, but

2:27:40I know a lot of it was specific to how

2:27:42we managed the budget for an emergency

2:27:44management function within the c the

2:27:47county. a lot of it kind of got lost in

2:27:49the in the sauce when it came to the

2:27:50fire department budget. There's a lot of

2:27:52budgets that could be put together,

2:27:54internal and external budgets that could

2:27:56be utilized for a lot of purposes and I

2:27:58think a lot of that came from the audit

2:27:59recommendations. Um I think Meredith

2:28:02probably has a vision of of where a lot

2:28:04of things could go. I'm sure there could

2:28:06be some other discussions as well.

2:28:07>> She's probably followed up with them. I

2:28:08was just curious because it was a good

2:28:10question.

2:28:11>> Sure.

2:28:11>> That they asked um but I didn't have the

2:28:13answer.

2:28:14>> Sure.

2:28:14>> But she's probably touch base with

2:28:16>> Sure. and and if you go ahead.

2:28:17>> I was just say I do think that if you

2:28:19know one of the challenges that Merida

2:28:21has been having is actually finding

2:28:23locations going to host facilities and

2:28:27so you know some part of that is going

2:28:29to have to ultimately we want to keep

2:28:30doing those kinds of and we're really

2:28:33talking about kind of the popup shelters

2:28:34if you will not necessarily that there's

2:28:36been a natural disaster that we've got

2:28:38to shelter. We we've got those through

2:28:40our community centers um covered, but we

2:28:44are probably going to need to look at a

2:28:45point which either we're going to use

2:28:47our own facilities and what does that

2:28:49mean in order to meet those kind of

2:28:51temporary needs or that we've got to

2:28:54find partners say that you probably have

2:28:57to buy access into their facilities.

2:28:59They're there plenty of communities

2:29:01where those facilities just provide it

2:29:02to the community at no cost. But that's

2:29:04been a challenge here um in doing so.

2:29:06Matter of fact, we've actually gone the

2:29:07opposite direction where partners that

2:29:09we had have actually said we no longer

2:29:11want to be a part of that of the

2:29:13program. And so I do think funding is

2:29:15likely to be a part of that conversation

2:29:17even if it's our own internal facilities

2:29:19because we face the same sort of

2:29:21challenges of having staff on on duty

2:29:23and stuff as well.

2:29:25>> And and I did want also the chief is

2:29:29being very kind and sitting there not

2:29:31saying anything when you mentioned the

2:29:32training centers. I'll mention it on his

2:29:33behalf. So, um, if though the training

2:29:36center is great and it does great things

2:29:37for us, it is in desperate need of

2:29:40upgrading and and in many ways

2:29:41replacing. And so, similar to kind of

2:29:44the question that was asked of the

2:29:46police chief, expect in the discussion

2:29:48of SPLOS that we'll be talking about

2:29:50some of the needs that we have within

2:29:52the fire service um for additional funds

2:29:56around capital. Most of it's not not

2:29:58necessarily equipment. We've done really

2:29:59really well with it as the chief has

2:30:01said, but when you think of the training

2:30:02center, you think of fire station one

2:30:04and some of these other needs, fire

2:30:06marshall's office, administrative

2:30:07offices, you're likely to see some of

2:30:09those requests come forward as well.

2:30:11>> We're 50 years at station one. Get that

2:30:13little plug in for you.

2:30:14>> That's right.

2:30:15>> It's been on splast 2011 or earlier

2:30:18splice station number one.

2:30:20>> I don't think it ever made it to a

2:30:21splust,

2:30:22>> but never made it.

2:30:23>> It was on a It was It's been request for

2:30:24a number of years.

2:30:25>> Gotcha. Okay.

2:30:28>> All right. You all

2:30:32talk about national.

2:30:34>> Yes, I was

2:30:35switching presenters. I'll be in the

2:30:37room.

2:31:00We met before

2:31:13start with the national updates.

2:31:17Are we ready?

2:31:19>> All right. So, we're here to give our um

2:31:21bannual inperson update for the National

2:31:25EMS and uh ACC FD performance measures

2:31:30um for EMS.

2:31:33So, first we'll start out with the fire

2:31:34department's uh performance

2:31:38measures just like we did last time. And

2:31:40this is for the period of let me go back

2:31:43make sure I don't mess up. April of 26

2:31:46through June of 26.

2:31:54>> Um, so here this is this is the same

2:31:55slide you'll see every time. We haven't

2:31:57moved any engines or apparatus around.

2:31:59So that they're still responding from

2:32:02the same same fire stations um that they

2:32:06were before.

2:32:12So we have 15 apparatus that are uh able

2:32:16to respond to emergency uh EMS call.

2:32:19These so at any given time we had 12

2:32:23apparatus hemmed up on a um an emergency

2:32:28call of any type. Uh we include that

2:32:30because if they're on a structure fire,

2:32:32they're on a automobile accident,

2:32:35they're not available to respond to an

2:32:36EMS call. So um at any given time we had

2:32:4012 just one time they were tied up for 4

2:32:42minutes and 12 seconds. That means that

2:32:45uh during this period we still had at

2:32:47least three apparatus available to

2:32:49respond to an emergency EMS call. So we

2:32:52were never fully saturated.

2:33:00This is where our fire stations are are

2:33:01located throughout. So you can kind of

2:33:03correlate that with the first slide out

2:33:06there of showing what apparatuses are

2:33:08where and these are the fire districts

2:33:10they respond to. They will overlap

2:33:12depending on on the call and the amount

2:33:14of apparatuses that are you know due to

2:33:17that call type.

2:33:23>> You say we had 48% uh during this time

2:33:27of medical calls. Um, and then over the

2:33:32top, we kind of changed that a little

2:33:33bit to uh

2:33:36give you some year-over-year. So, we saw

2:33:39the fire department saw a 20% increase

2:33:40in EMS calls year-over-year for that

2:33:43same period.

2:33:45And the bottom right chart just shows

2:33:48you all types of calls that we respond

2:33:50to.

2:33:59So, our response time metrics um our

2:34:02average was um 6 minutes and 21 seconds

2:34:05and the 90 percentile uh was 8 minutes

2:34:09and 3 seconds which was obviously under

2:34:12the 9m minute goal and 93% of our calls

2:34:15were under that 90 or 90 that 9 minute

2:34:18goal um response time.

2:34:25And then the activity we had um the 1300

2:34:30a little over 1300 incidents that

2:34:31required 1718 apparatus responses.

2:34:36So that the reason why those numbers are

2:34:38going to look different. Most EMS calls

2:34:39we're going to send a single unit

2:34:41response but if we have a car accident

2:34:43that's EMS call we're going to send

2:34:44multiple units. uh whether that's to

2:34:47either respond to the actual EMS problem

2:34:49that they're having or uh like our

2:34:51ladder trucks will will help block

2:34:53traffic to provide safety for the

2:34:55responders on the scene.

2:35:04So we had um

2:35:0720% of our calls had uh two plus

2:35:09incidents going on at the same time and

2:35:11then 80% of the time there's only for

2:35:13the fire department

2:35:15one incident going on at a time.

2:35:24Difficulty breathing is going to be our

2:35:25top chief complaint.

2:35:28testimony being second, but these are

2:35:29our top 10 complaints that our uh

2:35:34that were reported by our personnel.

2:35:44So, we had 30 res uh times that CPR was

2:35:49performed.

2:35:51Narcan treatment was eight times,

2:35:53bystander CPR five, and bystander AD was

2:35:58five.

2:36:00Now, that Narcan treatment, I just want

2:36:02to clarify that is treatment by fire

2:36:05department personnel. So, if someone

2:36:07else gave it to him, a bystander did

2:36:08gave it to him or PD showed up on scene

2:36:12first and gave it to him or national,

2:36:13whatever, we don't track that as our

2:36:16own. That is just fire department. We

2:36:18were the ones that gave it.

2:36:21And then that's the fire department

2:36:23data. Um do we want to take any

2:36:25questions on that now or do we want to

2:36:26wait for national to

2:36:30>> Thank you, Mr. Tracy.

2:36:32>> So this is our um April through June. So

2:36:37the next one's going to be the system

2:36:38structure. It hasn't changed kind of

2:36:40like the fire department. We're still in

2:36:42our same stations that we have been in.

2:36:44Uh we've got four at the center station,

2:36:46four at east side, two headquarters and

2:36:48one at west side. Total of two QRVS. So

2:36:51we have 11 transporting ambulances

2:36:53between Clark County and None County.

2:36:56This is [clears throat] the raw data of

2:36:58how many paramedics versus or what we

2:37:00call ALS paramedic trucks versus AMT

2:37:03um advanced trucks. Uh 70 77.8% is um

2:37:08paramedics and 22.2% are EM double EMTA

2:37:12trucks. We have two trucks that are

2:37:14double EMTA trucks

2:37:17and that's going to be changing soon

2:37:19because we have 10 paramedics graduating

2:37:21from school and we're going to have to

2:37:23place them somewhere. So, we're looking

2:37:24at actually putting all of our trucks

2:37:26into paramedic trucks.

2:37:28>> Yep.

2:37:29>> The next slide is just reiterizing the

2:37:32um first slide. It's the first one was

2:37:36raw data. This is just breaking it down

2:37:37into a little bit more. Um your two EMTA

2:37:41trucks which is at 22.2% 2% and your

2:37:44paramedic trucks are at 77.8%.

2:37:46Your QRV1 paramedic is staffed and your

2:37:48supervisor, which we also call a QRV, is

2:37:51a paramedic staffed as well.

2:37:54Um, daily shift reports of paramedics on

2:37:57shift. U, we need a minimum of 10 and

2:37:59we've exceeded that. Um, we've never

2:38:02been under 10 paramedics. I know that's

2:38:04hard to see. I've got printouts if you

2:38:06guys want handouts

2:38:08>> that I can hand out to you. Um,

2:38:11>> yeah, I know it was it was you should

2:38:13try putting it all on there.

2:38:14>> It's hard to get in one slide.

2:38:15>> Yes, it was all hard to get on one

2:38:17slide. Thank you. Um,

2:38:20>> if you have any questions on that, but

2:38:21there's a minimum of we need a minimum

2:38:23of 10. We received we were at 10 every

2:38:26single shift. And then we have four

2:38:28additional paramedics

2:38:30county level as well.

2:38:32The next slide is just a graph of the

2:38:35paramedics that were on call every day.

2:38:40And then our total response vehicles by

2:38:42types.

2:38:47>> Um how many trucks we have staffed and

2:38:49what their levels are.

2:38:53Grab the east side, the center, events,

2:38:54and the west side.

2:38:57The cover zones.

2:39:00Um you have your center stations. It's

2:39:02just the stars are where our locations

2:39:04are for our stations.

2:39:09The next slide is your urban rural slide

2:39:13that you want to put that map in there

2:39:14every single time. It hasn't changed

2:39:16either. And then your next slide is your

2:39:19system processing which is our times.

2:39:21Your urban and versus non urban. Our

2:39:24line processing time for urban is 90.94.

2:39:27For non-urban is 91.3.

2:39:29Total response time which is party one

2:39:31and two calls which is lights and sirens

2:39:33and no lights and sirens. um for urban

2:39:36is 9 uh 12.42 and for non- urban is

2:39:401607.

2:39:41Your pro your average response times for

2:39:44party 1 and two. For urban is 7.48

2:39:47and your non-urban is 10.41.

2:39:51Average response times for just lights

2:39:52and sirens only is 6.33 for urban and

2:39:569.10 for non-urban. And then your

2:39:58response times for no lights and sirens

2:40:00which non emerged call is 8.57 for urban

2:40:04and 12 for non- urban. Total non

2:40:07transports is 35.7% in urban and 33.8 in

2:40:10non- urban.

2:40:13Next slide is going to be your calls per

2:40:16month. As you see we have greatly

2:40:18increased our call volume 2025 to 2026.

2:40:21It's about an average of 250 plus calls

2:40:25a month from the year.

2:40:29current instances that's when our

2:40:31ambulances are on scene at least three

2:40:32or more ambulances around one scene at

2:40:34one time and it happened seven times and

2:40:36they happened all in April. So I don't

2:40:38know what was going on in April. I don't

2:40:39if it was different um additional

2:40:42accidentes or

2:40:44what was going on but we had a total of

2:40:47seven of those system saturations when

2:40:50this is when we have no ambulances or

2:40:52we're asking the fire department to come

2:40:54in and help us which they are wonderful

2:40:56and do was a total of 19 times between

2:40:59April and June.

2:41:04And then our top chief complaints, um,

2:41:07sick is our is our number one chief

2:41:09complaint at 858 and then all the way

2:41:11down to abdominal pain for 155. Um, all

2:41:15the way in between there.

2:41:17All right, you um this is where we do

2:41:22they have a global response of you have

2:41:26to do which CPR is ROSK or not a ROS. So

2:41:30we had a total of 15 witness CPRs

2:41:33between April, May, and June. We've had

2:41:35one that had CPR being done uh and from

2:41:38April, three in May, zero in June for a

2:41:41total of four of those. So we had two

2:41:44really none with the UCM criteria, but

2:41:47we had two with Ross but did not meet

2:41:50all the other criteria of the UC.

2:41:53So, um, April, May, June exclusion. We

2:41:55have one pediatric, five EMS witness,

2:41:57and two unknown galies.

2:42:01Um, we also have handouts here if y'all

2:42:03want. Um, from the department of office

2:42:06and trauma, EMS that tells you

2:42:08everything that, um, EMTs and or first

2:42:11responders all the way up to paramedics

2:42:13can do,

2:42:15their level, and what they're trained to

2:42:17do.

2:42:18>> I think that'll be helpful when you're

2:42:19looking at some of what Chief was

2:42:21talking about with the fire department.

2:42:22that's going to outline those scope of

2:42:24practice a little bit better by level.

2:42:26It's colorcoded by provider level from

2:42:29EMR all the way up to paramedic. Um, so

2:42:32that'll give you a good idea of when

2:42:33those folks come out at that specific

2:42:36provider level, what exactly they are

2:42:38capable of and what type of equipment,

2:42:40medications, etc. We are staffing on

2:42:42those units to be able to allow our

2:42:45providers to function at their scope of

2:42:47practice level.

2:42:48>> And I didn't mean to be rude. This is

2:42:49our new vice president. I'm so sorry. Um

2:42:52I didn't introduce him. His name is

2:42:54Andrew Poor. He's our new vice

2:42:56president. Um we kind of like him a

2:42:58little bit, so we're going to keep him

2:42:59around for a while. Um so he will be

2:43:03coming with all the meetings.

2:43:07>> Sorry I didn't earlier.

2:43:10>> If I can add two just two additional

2:43:13points. Um, one of those is, as you all

2:43:15know, because we've been trying to keep

2:43:16you as up to speed as we can regarding

2:43:18the transition that's taking place with

2:43:20Okone County. Um, and so we have been

2:43:23working closely with the two hospitals

2:43:25as well as Okone County and certainly

2:43:27national also. And, um, I think the

2:43:29intent is Okone County wants to be able

2:43:31to turn that service on in November,

2:43:34>> December 31st at 7 a.m., sorry.

2:43:36>> There you go. And um so we are

2:43:38progressing still on taking steps to at

2:43:42minimum ensure that the level of service

2:43:43that we're receiving currently does not

2:43:46lower which I don't think we have any

2:43:47concern about and preferably actually

2:43:49ending up probably in a in a better

2:43:51spot. We've talked with you about some

2:43:52of those but I just want to kind of

2:43:54remind everyone that conversation is

2:43:55going on in the background also with it.

2:43:58And then the other thing just quickly I

2:44:00just want to touch on a data point that

2:44:03was provided by fire and then kind of

2:44:05reinforced with um national which is

2:44:09stresses all the more important reason

2:44:11why it's important that we're take that

2:44:12we take the steps that outlined on the

2:44:15fire side which is there were in that

2:44:17span of April to June there were 19

2:44:19instances where their system at national

2:44:21was saturated meaning they need

2:44:23assistance from fire to cover one of

2:44:25those fire during that time never had

2:44:27reached saturation that those data

2:44:29points tell you that in those instances

2:44:32the fire service is arriving on the

2:44:34scene and obviously the person on the

2:44:37other end of that scene is expecting the

2:44:38ability to render some level of aid

2:44:41associated with it. So all the more

2:44:42reason why we need to continue to

2:44:45emphasize the advancement of both our

2:44:47training as well as our equipment and um

2:44:51the protocols that we have in place. So

2:44:53I just wanted to kind of touch on that

2:44:54data point just just real quick. Thank

2:44:56you.

2:44:59Commissioner,

2:45:00>> you know me with my AMS questions here.

2:45:03So, um, anyway, welcome.

2:45:04>> Thank you, ma'am.

2:45:05>> New vice president here. Um, thanks for

2:45:08all of this information. Um, you know, I

2:45:12have and I'm going to continue to ask

2:45:14for a couple of things. Um, I thank you

2:45:17for putting that map in there. Um, and

2:45:19first in terms of that map and the the

2:45:22response times in there, um,

2:45:26I talked to the the manager about this

2:45:29and um, look, I don't know where that I

2:45:32don't know where that map came from and

2:45:35when we've asked before, the map has

2:45:37been like, oh, it's always been there.

2:45:40Um, but I would really think that we

2:45:43need to basically do away from this map.

2:45:47it does not make sense in terms of

2:45:50differentiating time response times. Um

2:45:53I'm just looking at my my side of town

2:45:55which is the east side of town and it

2:45:57includes um the

2:46:01it it puts my neighborhood which is

2:46:03really close to your EMS east side in a

2:46:07non-urban area but Clark uh Cedar

2:46:11Scholes in the urban area. Um, Barnett

2:46:14Scholes, which has apartment complexes

2:46:16on both sides. Half of that is in one

2:46:19area in the other area. Riverbend, which

2:46:22is right by the loop, which is just

2:46:23covered with apartment complexes, is in

2:46:27the um

2:46:30non urban area as well. And so

2:46:34there might be some historical reason

2:46:36for this from way back when, but

2:46:39>> sure like we need to put this into the

2:46:43into into the into the present time in

2:46:452026. Yes.

2:46:46>> Um even if there were a reason for

2:46:49having rural these are do these do not

2:46:51even uh make sense. They don't make

2:46:54sense. So that's something I would like

2:46:56to see us move to. How how long was our

2:47:00our the umou for? Because we did that

2:47:03two years ago. Does judge do you know

2:47:06happen to know how long that's supposed

2:47:08to be for? Are you supposed to update

2:47:10those?

2:47:12>> I can check and see if you mean that.

2:47:14>> Yeah, because that that was I I was

2:47:15checking I think we did that in um 2024

2:47:19in either May or June that we voted on

2:47:21that. Um the other thing is on that I

2:47:23appreciate the u information that's in

2:47:26there on the um the daily report on the

2:47:30paramedics andou that we put in there

2:47:32also asked for that to be communicated

2:47:34daily to our EMS and dispatchers as

2:47:37well. I'd love to see that follow

2:47:38through. And then the last thing

2:47:40>> how would you like us to do that daily?

2:47:42>> Well man I I sure answer I sure throw

2:47:46out emails every day daily. like who

2:47:49would you like us to answer that too?

2:47:51>> Uh I guess it would be the dispatch

2:47:54people and the fire department chief. So

2:47:56um I'm sure the manager can

2:47:58>> give you a contact.

2:47:59>> Sure.

2:47:59>> Yeah, we can we can set that up to shoot

2:48:01up. And also just in in in just adding

2:48:03on to this, I know this is not exactly

2:48:06this is something we've asked for

2:48:07before, but I've asked for before, but

2:48:10especially right now when um

2:48:13credibility, you know, with this change

2:48:14with uh the EMS with your contracts and

2:48:18such, I just want to have the cred. I

2:48:20want to believe I want to I want to know

2:48:23that I can trust you all as well as

2:48:25possible, right? Because obviously Okon

2:48:27County had some issues here. Um but we

2:48:31in terms of response time I think we

2:48:34asked her I had asked for some raw data

2:48:36on that um to include the uh the time

2:48:39the EMS is notified the time the

2:48:41ambulance is in route uh all the things

2:48:44uh the time it's arrived on the scene

2:48:46and the time the ambulance gets to the

2:48:48hospital so we can really understand

2:48:50that and know that for

2:48:51>> sure how you'd like that on every single

2:48:53call that's thousands and thousands of

2:48:55calls that

2:48:57>> I think we may have some some way we can

2:48:59interpret that data and get you like a

2:49:01are you wanting like a time of call till

2:49:03time it's entered then time it's entered

2:49:05until until time it

2:49:07>> on on average right so you can look at

2:49:11>> on average it takes

2:49:12>> well I think actually we wanted to look

2:49:13at some raw data too but that I've asked

2:49:16for even if it's I mean once there's

2:49:18credibility there then there's no need

2:49:19to have it and the averages but it would

2:49:22really really good to see some of that

2:49:23raw data okay

2:49:24>> so that's good and then the other thing

2:49:26is just the final thing is um on your

2:49:29dispatchers?

2:49:30>> Yes, sir.

2:49:31>> Um, anything we can do to smooth out

2:49:33that dispatching issue with our county?

2:49:36How are your dispatchers trained? Do you

2:49:39have do you have the uh what is it

2:49:41called? Medical emergency emergency

2:49:44medical

2:49:44>> emergency medical.

2:49:45>> Yes, ma'am.

2:49:46>> Yes. and they are we have a training

2:49:49communications coordinator manager

2:49:51whatever you want to call them that does

2:49:52all of our training in-house in

2:49:54conjunction with of course Athens Clark

2:49:56County dispatch and things of that

2:49:58nature we've explored different um

2:50:00options to make the two what we call CAD

2:50:03systems computer aided dispatch right

2:50:06more compatible with one another and

2:50:07getting some autoimp import features of

2:50:09that whereas right now they're they're

2:50:11inputting some of that data manually so

2:50:14things like that that can help

2:50:15streamline that process so that

2:50:16nothing's lost in translation. But all

2:50:18of that is ongoing through what we call

2:50:20CQI, right? To continually look at that

2:50:23process and see where we can make those

2:50:24updates.

2:50:25>> Well, I I would I would um I appreciate

2:50:27that and I um am concerned that you

2:50:30double check on that emergency medical

2:50:33dispatching training because when I had

2:50:35met with you all before you

2:50:37>> So that comes over on a CAD system. We

2:50:39don't ever talk to the actual person.

2:50:41That's Athens clar county that talks to

2:50:43the person that calls in. But I thought

2:50:45you guys made the decision about who

2:50:47gets dis like whether it's priority one

2:50:48or priority two.

2:50:50>> That's through our system. When it comes

2:50:51through the CAD system, we have

2:50:53different services that says, "Okay, if

2:50:55it's chest pain, that's priority one. If

2:50:57it's somebody that's got a fever, that

2:50:59might be priority two."

2:51:00>> Right. Right. But who's who's deciding

2:51:02on that one? The person at your end.

2:51:05>> We've made all of those decisions

2:51:06through our company.

2:51:07>> Right. Right. But is that

2:51:08>> our dispatchers internally? Yes, ma'am.

2:51:10>> Then that's what I mean. Are they

2:51:11emergency medical dispatchers? I was I

2:51:14thought they were. Are they not?

2:51:15>> Some of them are. Some of them are.

2:51:16Okay.

2:51:17>> Okay. So, that's just something maybe to

2:51:19to

2:51:19>> Yeah, but they don't they don't actually

2:51:20talk to the actual person giving calling

2:51:23in 911,

2:51:23>> right? But they're making a decision

2:51:24about how

2:51:25>> based on the information they give,

2:51:27>> right?

2:51:28>> So, that's that's what we want to have

2:51:30that as the highest level of

2:51:32>> Sure.

2:51:32>> training. Okay. Um, thank you.

2:51:36>> Yes, ma'am.

2:51:37>> I looked at the term of the agreement.

2:51:39So the term agreements currently renews

2:51:41annually on a yearly basis and we have

2:51:42to give 180 days notice to terminate it

2:51:45and it ter it the one-year term ends on

2:51:50June 30th each year.

2:51:53So did we did we um

2:51:56>> you don't give notice termination. It

2:51:57automatically

2:51:58>> it automatically. Okay. Okay. So if we

2:52:02wanted to update it, we have that

2:52:05opportunity because that's built into

2:52:07the

2:52:07>> Yeah. Do that

2:52:11terminate current agreement or just

2:52:13collaboratively work with them to make

2:52:14the changes, you know.

2:52:15>> What was the time frame on that?

2:52:18>> I think December 31st.

2:52:20>> No, but you said 180. I mean,

2:52:21>> have to give 180 days notice.

2:52:24>> 18 six months.

2:52:25>> Yeah.

2:52:26>> So, we're as long as we do it before

2:52:28December 31st, that' be six months.

2:52:30>> Yeah. Okay. Thank you.

2:52:32>> I do have a question. Um,

2:52:37the football game was passed Saturday. I

2:52:40[clears throat] did where you guys

2:52:41>> Oh, it was so Tracy and I were in the

2:52:44operations command box. Uh that was my

2:52:46first one of those being newer to the

2:52:48company and I think I brought it on them

2:52:50because you know with the combination of

2:52:51the heat, humidity, all of that. I will

2:52:54say the stadium um the coordinated

2:52:56efforts between UGD, Athens PD, Athens

2:53:00fire, all the entities involved did a

2:53:02fantastic job. I would say that was

2:53:04managed as well as it could be given the

2:53:06circumstances. Uh we have a debrief call

2:53:08tomorrow at 11 to see where we can

2:53:10always improve, right? But it was

2:53:12extremely busy. I think what we had on

2:53:15paper was about 83 responses within the

2:53:18stadium.

2:53:18>> Um, and at no time were there about less

2:53:21than 10 of those just continually.

2:53:24Mostly vast majority I'm going to say 85

2:53:2690% heat related feeling faint type

2:53:29issues. Uh, had a couple of other maybe

2:53:31an asthmatic and a possible seizure. Um,

2:53:34I do believe we had six actual ambulance

2:53:36transports from the stadium to uh either

2:53:39St. Mary's or Pedmont Athens, but it was

2:53:41very busy. [laughter] Very

2:53:43>> I was curious about

2:53:44>> very hot.

2:53:45>> Yeah. Not with that. It was hot.

2:53:46>> Yeah. So very hot.

2:53:47>> Could I speak to that for just a second?

2:53:49I just wanted to acknowledge the great

2:53:51work that they did. They they had to

2:53:53triage all of that. So imagine the chaos

2:53:55of the game, all of the calls coming in

2:53:57simultaneously

2:53:58with limited resources there. The folks

2:54:01at National

2:54:03appropriated resources in a very very uh

2:54:06organized fashion, especially for your

2:54:08first go at it. That was that was

2:54:10awesome. So if I appreciate that. I just

2:54:12wanted to acknowledge the great work

2:54:13that was done to coordinate all of that.

2:54:15>> I guess this week's a little bit

2:54:17earlier.

2:54:18>> It's going to be hot.

2:54:19>> Still, they've still sent out already

2:54:21some emergency action plans and some

2:54:23heat related type stuff. Their concern

2:54:25this week is more that it's not as hot.

2:54:28So, it's not going to get as much

2:54:29attention as last week did. So,

2:54:32basically, we just we don't want to let

2:54:33our guard down because we're expecting

2:54:35it some additional heat related injury

2:54:37and illness this weekend as well.

2:54:39Mr. Jos,

2:54:40>> just like Chief Ma said, I was there and

2:54:42I saw y'all in action and I I do want to

2:54:45commend you all. I saw just camaraderie

2:54:49across the board and compassion

2:54:51actually. Um, not that that was a

2:54:54surprise, but there were so many people

2:54:56in distress. Y'all were so calm and it

2:54:59calmed me because there were just people

2:55:01lined up along the the brick walls on

2:55:03every tier. So, I just want to say thank

2:55:05you for the work you do.

2:55:06>> Thank you. Thank you. to our

2:55:07firefighters and to all the public

2:55:09safety professionals there.

2:55:10>> It was it was certainly a multi- agency

2:55:12operation and everybody did their part.

2:55:14>> Thank you.

2:55:15>> I just a quick question on a follow up

2:55:17on that and thank you for that great

2:55:19response as well. Are you seeing more uh

2:55:22with that like we've had a real heat

2:55:24spell it seems to me this this summer.

2:55:26Are you seeing more of that in community

2:55:29um heat related incidents

2:55:32>> a little bit more? has been a little bit

2:55:34more spike in it, but are still a top

2:55:36tier is sick complaints. Um, but maybe a

2:55:40small spike in heat, not as

2:55:43>> what what gets included is sick because

2:55:46like to me all those things seem like

2:55:48>> sick sick person is think about all the

2:55:50different modalities of ways you could

2:55:51have calls coming into a 911 center.

2:55:54Some some are going to be a bit more

2:55:55affluent in medical terminology and

2:55:57things of that nature than others than

2:55:59just a general lay person. So sick

2:56:01person is kind of an all-enccapsulating

2:56:03term of somebody is not feeling well,

2:56:06they're not right, but we don't know a

2:56:07specific diagnosis at this time. So that

2:56:10could be anything from an abdominal pain

2:56:12to a nausea, vomiting to a, you know, an

2:56:15asthma, although those are a bit more

2:56:17recognizable at times, but it's more of

2:56:19an all-enccapsulating term when you have

2:56:22someone making that call that is not

2:56:24certain what's going on with the

2:56:25>> So that's those are the terms that are

2:56:27used by the I mean that's based on

2:56:29what's reported in the call.

2:56:30>> Yes, ma'am. That's actually what we get.

2:56:32It would come in as a sick person. Okay.

2:56:34And then we may have the opportunity to

2:56:36refine that data down once we actually

2:56:38get an advanced provider on scene and

2:56:40they say, "Well, this is really an

2:56:41abdominal pain." We can certainly go

2:56:43back and update that and upcode it and

2:56:45things of that nature.

2:56:50>> Thank you all for

2:56:51>> Thank you.

2:56:51>> Yes, sir.

2:56:53>> All right. the motion.

2:56:57[laughter]

2:56:58>> Somebody's going to second.

2:57:01Yeah, that's

2:57:03good General.

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