2026-10-20 - East Downtown TAD Advisory Committee

00:06It's up.

00:08>> More than we are here to East Downtown

00:10Tax Allocation District

00:12Advisory Committee meeting of October.

00:17We do not have a quorum, but we will

00:19just go through our

00:23agenda.

00:27Uh we'll miss make our staff report.

00:30Okay.

00:31>> Well, two things. Um

00:34So, the staff report really just has the

00:36one thing.

00:37So, on

00:39Tuesday, October 6th, the Mayor and

00:41Commission had a regular session and the

00:43District 3 Commissioner Taylor

00:45uh made a motion and the Commission

00:46voted to approve her motion

00:48uh to direct the manager's office in

00:49consultation with the attorney's office

00:51and any other appropriate staff uh to

00:53evaluate potential options available to

00:55the unified government for for

00:56preserving existing affordable housing

00:58in East Athens. Um that includes

01:01potential funding and ownership

01:02structures

01:03uh and then to report that back to the

01:05Mayor and Commission with options for

01:07further consideration. So, the

01:08attorney's office right now is talking

01:10to outside counsel to identify some of

01:12those structures and options.

01:13>> Awesome.

01:14>> Now,

01:15if you watch the meeting and and I'm

01:17happy to email the time stamped uh

01:19portions of the meeting. So, again, it's

01:21October 6th. It started about 4 hours, 2

01:23minutes, and 40 seconds into their

01:24meeting.

01:25Um

01:27the uh the city manager uh Bob, he asked

01:30uh to clarify that this is not a request

01:32for

01:33uh ACC gov to become land owners in that

01:36regard and and landlords. Excuse me,

01:38that was his exact wording. So, this is

01:40just to look at structures

01:42um for how that could work. And then,

01:43Commissioner Taylor sort of indicated um

01:47524 Vine Street, which is the

01:50property we affectionately call the

01:51fence and that's that 28 unit um

01:54room that's most of it is affordable

01:56housing according to Commissioner Taylor

01:58in her motion, she said that the some of

02:00those units are about $500 a month.

02:02So, that was sort of the um the

02:05formation the foundation rather of her

02:07her motion. So, I just wanted to let

02:08y'all know about that. I'll send you the

02:11timestamps.

02:12The conversation itself is about 8

02:13minutes.

02:15Come on, motion to the vote.

02:18>> Cute.

02:21>> Um

02:23that would be the only part of my staff

02:24report.

02:25Um

02:27but I I think I still need to talk a

02:29little bit for the old unfinished

02:30business.

02:34>> Any questions about the staff report?

02:36>> What do you mean?

02:38>> Any comments because I'm not I'm not

02:40familiar with this call. Have y'all

02:41followed that closely?

02:43>> Well, it just it just sprung up. Uh she

02:45had a um

02:46town hall meeting at the airport

02:49on facilities Saturday from

02:5310:00 to 12:00.

02:54>> Mhm.

02:56>> She mentioned that in that meeting.

02:57>> Okay.

02:58>> Because there was some questions about

03:00the data

03:01about financing.

03:03Um

03:05housing in the East Athens community.

03:11>> And so, you know, thank you. Your point

03:12TAD funding may or may not be

03:15brought up in that discussion. The

03:17structures proposed.

03:25>> All right. So, any other comments? We'll

03:27move on to our

03:29other finished business or business.

03:33>> Um

03:34Thank you. There's there was a little

03:36bit of um

03:37uncertainty about the motion made

03:41and the intention behind that motion

03:42because of the the sort of the nature of

03:44how that evolved. So, the motion to

03:46remind everybody

03:48was

03:50uh regarding uh Demetrius Jordan's

03:52proposal on behalf of the Athens Land

03:54Trust to do a

03:56I'm going to get this word exactly

03:57right. Uh, a redevelopment funding

04:01proposal of up to $100,000.

04:04Um,

04:05just so you're all aware, the city

04:07manager's office and uh, the attorney's

04:09office and possibly others that I'm not

04:11sure about, um,

04:13all had some discussions because of the

04:15uncertainty of what the meaning of that

04:17that motion was and how it came about.

04:19Just the discussion and that the land

04:21trust was here as a an amendment to the

04:23agenda. Um,

04:26so there's uh, a couple of things. One,

04:29our attorney's office um, would like to

04:31make sure that when any recommendations

04:34for TAD funding are made, that there's

04:37sort of a development component uh, to

04:39that. And so that's kind of the first

04:41question is what exactly is this

04:43proposal or this request uh, for. Um,

04:46there's also the question of is this a

04:48request to

04:50um, release or to approve a study or

04:54maybe approve it for a study up to

04:56$100,000

04:57uh, for properties in in the in South

04:59Downtown TAD area or is this a request

05:02to specifically authorize Athens Land

05:04Trust TAD funding?

05:06The reason being that question sort of

05:09dictates how that process to to release

05:12those funds or to to request it of the

05:13mayor and commission really. The mayor

05:15and commission is always the final say

05:17in releasing any TAD funds.

05:19Um,

05:20so there there was a little bit of

05:22uncertainty about that. So there've been

05:23a lot of conversations just to kind of

05:25want to understand what the intention

05:27was. I know Taylor that you and I talked

05:29immediately after the meeting.

05:31And um,

05:34and Miss Will, we're grateful for you

05:36for for raising the challenges to that

05:39motion um, because it expanded the

05:41discussion.

05:43I walked away with the understanding

05:45that this was a

05:47motion simply to allow Athens Land Trust

05:50an opportunity to come back at a later

05:51date with a

05:53a more detailed proposal with community

05:55input into it and therefore did not

05:57obligate

05:59that did not form formulate a

06:01recommendation on behalf of the city to

06:03to send out to release funding not to go

06:06to the mayor and commission for a

06:07request for funding at this time.

06:10That was my understanding. Now, I'm just

06:12one person.

06:13>> That was the understanding of the room,

06:15but if you all will remember, I

06:17cautioned you all

06:19that people would not understand that

06:21motion and they would be confused. And I

06:24if I know the city attorney, the mayor

06:27and the city manager are confused, what

06:30I said was point on.

06:32>> Right. Right.

06:35>> Well, I don't know how I you know, I

06:36mean, that was my original intention.

06:40You know, to encourage

06:42you know, if you we look at

06:44>> [clears throat]

06:44>> we've been at this table now for I've

06:46been at this table for two or three

06:47years.

06:48And you know, very rarely do we have

06:50that sentient

06:53um

06:56a an action plan.

06:58And because Demetrius

07:02you know,

07:03presents very well and is obviously

07:06well-intentioned, you know, I simply

07:09wanted to move that ball forward. I

07:11mean,

07:14surely none of us at the table was

07:15authorizing funding or

07:18but what I'm seeing here is as you as

07:20you and I discussed beforehand,

07:22the

07:23the pro the Newton Bridge project, which

07:25was the parallel, they they used their

07:28TAD funds to develop a plan, but it was

07:32part of an an existing

07:35imagined development.

07:38Um

07:39so I don't know how we might

07:42polish that language or if we want to

07:45even

07:46uh pursue it.

07:48But I I I'm I'm I'm very encouraged by I

07:51mean I'm just meeting Demetrius, but you

07:53know, I've been a fan of the the the

07:55Athens-Clarke County forever and they've

07:57certainly demonstrated their loyalty to

08:00affordable housing. So, it just seemed

08:02like a a match.

08:03>> Who knows? My suggestion would be this.

08:07Uh Daniel, since you've explained the

08:09intent

08:10and our intent was not to turn over

08:12$100,000 out of the tap on the right. Uh

08:16that uh between the attorney and the

08:18city manager and the mayor,

08:21they should understand it enough where

08:23the attorney can write it up so common

08:26folks like me can understand what's

08:28being said.

08:29>> Right. And I think Ilka may be

08:33taking up Who knows? Um you know, the

08:35other thing was the the Habitat for

08:37Humanity. You look at a

08:39um a collaboration of nonprofits, for

08:42instance, in this area

08:44uh participating in shared

08:48initiative. Because we did have

08:50Demetrius and we had the gentleman

08:51Charles, I think was his name, in

08:53the Habitat for Humanity here and and

08:55their commitment to smart affordable

09:03um you know, beckoning beckoning

09:05neighborhoods is is so much of what I

09:09I'd love to you know,

09:10have a landscaping firm be very involved

09:14in a design plan

09:16for neighborhoods that that have town

09:18squares and

09:20quarter groves and that kind of Anyway.

09:26>> You know, uh

09:28that would be great.

09:29But land trust model is so different

09:32from anybody else's

09:34and their houses are earth houses.

09:38Um,

09:38you know, built with all sustainable

09:40materials and everybody's not doing

09:43that, all right? And for me

09:46uh

09:47that type of housing

09:50I want people to understand, I used to

09:51be on the land trust board. I want to

09:53make that very clear.

09:54So, I'm not advocating for them, but I'm

09:57advocating because I know what I'm

09:58talking about.

10:00And if they can be a

10:02uh

10:03$115 or $120,000 house

10:07with all of that

10:09nobody else has that model.

10:12Uh, even the other houses, even with the

10:17even with what a family of three or four

10:21or five people can earn

10:23and be a a a

10:26for

10:27adequate housing.

10:30You know, I I say this and regardless I

10:32say it before I say it, but nobody's

10:34building houses like land trust.

10:37Nobody is building the sustainable, you

10:39know, earth craft which means a lot in

10:42today's environment. These other people

10:44aren't doing that.

10:46And if and and for me

10:48to suggest to a family that would that

10:51would what I would suggest to anybody

10:53that were building a house now. Where

10:55are your products coming from? You know,

10:57we had this kerfuffle with China when

10:59they sold us all this bad sheetrock.

11:03>> Mhm.

11:04Mhm.

11:05So, in summary you're recommending land

11:09trust like housing.

11:11>> No, I'm not just recommending. When I

11:13throw something out, I'm just asking

11:14people please to think about what we're

11:16doing.

11:18You know, and how we're going about it.

11:19You know, what is our bottom line? Is

11:21our bottom line for the health of the

11:23people that they would serve,

11:25for the affordability, those things and

11:28make comparisons between them.

11:30>> Mhm.

11:31>> The all the people out there are

11:32building houses.

11:34Um

11:35cuz I certainly don't want to force land

11:37trust on anybody.

11:39Because some people don't like that

11:40model,

11:41you know.

11:42>> Mhm.

11:42>> So, uh other people may be interested in

11:46the model that the other people are

11:47building.

11:49Um

11:50so uh

11:51I'm I'm just saying that

11:55the information needs to be out there in

11:57a way where people can understand it and

12:00>> Mhm.

12:00>> my main thing is affordable housing.

12:04And affordable to

12:06for me

12:07might not be affordable for somebody

12:09that's living on the street.

12:12Yeah.

12:13>> I think

12:14that a collaboration

12:17uh

12:18would be

12:19best.

12:21Um

12:23especially within that our tad.

12:26Uh and I you know, I personally would

12:28like to see

12:30the organization in our tad be a little

12:33more hands-on with the project. Uh I

12:36think there's room for collaboration

12:39between the land trust and

12:42East Athens Development Corporation.

12:44>> Right.

12:44>> Uh

12:45you know, they they're doing some good

12:48things over there. Uh

12:50they really got that program

12:52turned around.

12:54They built a couple uh they built a

12:55couple good houses over there.

12:57>> Yeah.

12:59>> And

13:00really nice technologically

13:03advanced houses, you know.

13:05I think that could be a good

13:07collaboration between them and the land

13:08trust

13:10with the land trust uh sustainable

13:12materials

13:15and the

13:16uh the

13:17just with the with East Athens

13:19Development has

13:21um

13:24with what they're doing within that tad

13:27right now, I thought of that that would

13:29be a good collaboration. I thought

13:31that's something that the community

13:32would like to see.

13:34>> Mhm.

13:35>> Any kind of

13:36help split the pie.

13:38>> Mhm.

13:39>> Right.

13:40I don't know. I want to say that um

13:43that the difference between having that

13:45and having a land trust and things like

13:46that is that um

13:48the model is that

13:50you know, people that

13:52who get their homes through a land trust

13:55don't own

13:56their land. They um

14:00um

14:02So, in a way they have to

14:05my understanding of it, right? Is they

14:07have to return it. Like they have they

14:09pay they they sell their house.

14:12They They can sell their house.

14:15They don't own the land that under it,

14:17so they can't like pass I mean, they can

14:20maybe pass it down to a relative.

14:22>> Yeah, they can have

14:23>> But um they don't

14:25>> own ever. They have a 99-year lease on

14:27the land.

14:28>> Yeah.

14:28>> But the land the land the land that I

14:31think they pay about $5 a month at least

14:33the night.

14:34>> That's what makes it affordable.

14:35>> Yeah.

14:36>> Yeah, exactly.

14:36>> But the nonprofit owns that land, but

14:38they they buy and sell their homes

14:41for the the profits that they accrue

14:43over over the years. So, it's not really

14:45you don't have to feel as if you don't

14:47own it. You own that

14:48>> You own everything on it.

14:49>> building.

14:50>> Yeah.

14:51>> But it's much more not much more, but

14:53it's considerably more affordable

14:55because the nonprofit owns the land.

14:57Canada does a lot of this. There's a lot

14:59of public land and all cities are built

15:03um on owned land but you know, that is a

15:06marketable commodity that you can

15:09exchange and and profit from it. um the

15:12home that you buy.

15:14>> Oh, so I'm just just

15:16curious then for the 90 year 99-year

15:20lease

15:21is it renewable?

15:23>> No.

15:24>> Yeah, okay.

15:25>> Yeah.

15:25>> And the reason that they have that model

15:27is because

15:29Okay, say I'm I bought a land trust

15:32house.

15:33Okay, so when I went to the land trust

15:36house, I was making $30,000 a year.

15:38[clears throat]

15:40$25 to $35,000

15:42a year.

15:44So,

15:45if I get to a point where I'm making

15:47$100,000 a year,

15:49nothing goes up. I can stay there if I

15:52want to, but if I'm making $100,000, I

15:54might like, "Okay, I see that house over

15:57there I like."

15:58So, they do it like that because for the

16:01next family that needs affordable

16:03housing, that house is affordable

16:06because it it's not like on the open

16:09market. You know how open market houses

16:11go sky high?

16:12That model keeps that within the range

16:15of affordability.

16:17>> Location, location, location becomes

16:19such a point of profitability, and

16:22that's eliminated in the Athens Land

16:24Trust model.

16:25And we're building on, and I apologize

16:27because I I actually

16:29I've got to go get ready for the the

16:31polls. Um, one of the things, and you

16:33know, you you know this well.

16:37Um, you certainly, Daniel, have been

16:38listening to this forever. In my mind,

16:41let's talk about a collaboration where

16:43we did involve

16:44these established nonprofits, the Athens

16:47Land Trust, the East Athens

16:49the um

16:50development corporation,

16:51the Habitat for Humanity,

16:54obviously Demetrius from the Athens Land

16:55Trust, and one one one other entity, and

16:58that is

17:00a collaboration of businesses in you got

17:03to be a

17:04resident of East Athens to be be one of

17:08the builders, be one of the

17:09electricians, one of the plumbers, and

17:11we go in and retro

17:13The greenest house is the house that's

17:15already been built.

17:18Hear me on this. The one that's

17:20standing, where we've already cut the

17:22forest and we've already we can retro we

17:25can solarize panels and replace hot

17:28water heaters in homes that people

17:32live in and love living in.

17:35Birth their children in.

17:37And create a business out of

17:42the a consortium

17:45of

17:47representative

17:49people who want to go into the business

17:52of retrofitting existing houses.

17:55Doing Athens Land Trust projects. Doing

17:57Habitat for Humanity projects.

18:00As a

18:01an all-purpose portability housing

18:04initiative.

18:06And that person would be the person that

18:07would be eligible for certain programs

18:10out of the day. Exactly. And I'm kind of

18:12getting at

18:13It it's sort of kind of but it's not

18:15really spot-on with what uh Tiffany is

18:17saying, but I see your idea.

18:20Well, you know, it's it's tailored Those

18:22of you that you particularly are

18:24touching on a collaboration. Let's get

18:27everybody in the business

18:30of the good

18:31raise the whole level of the boats in

18:33the harbor.

18:35Everybody participates, is invested in

18:37it, profits from it.

18:42It's exciting.

18:43>> With the motion that was passed on the

18:45American Commission,

18:48does that What is that saying? Is it

18:51Does it say in there uh

18:54it has to be

18:55What is saying to the property? Do we

18:57have to Do they have to keep the

18:59building, protect the

19:02the building there?

19:04Or

19:05>> So, the motion itself really didn't get

19:07into specifics at all, including that

19:10524 bind. That was simply what she kind

19:13of referenced before she made the

19:14motion.

19:15Um

19:16I

19:17I read it as the the implication is just

19:20maintaining affordable housing

19:22in the area. So, if there is affordable

19:24housing, potentially just keeping it

19:25that way.

19:26>> Okay.

19:26>> Um

19:27>> I don't know what what um

19:30developer proposal.

19:31>> Yeah.

19:32>> Up to 100,000.

19:32>> name of that organization that when you

19:35went and weather at some houses, did

19:36some new thing

19:38building some things on on bathrooms. Uh

19:41Tanisha, what's her name?

19:44>> Brooks.

19:44>> Yeah, she was in charge of that, but

19:46she's not there anymore. What's the name

19:47of that organization?

19:48>> Historic

19:49>> Historic Athens. Yeah, kind of something

19:51like what Historic Athens did.

19:53>> I mean, what we need to do is be meeting

19:55with those people.

19:56And look at the opportunity to create

20:00a collaborative speaking of.

20:03Uh that allows for new and

20:06and old

20:08to all you know, be refurbished or or

20:12imagined.

20:13>> Yeah.

20:13>> Um

20:14>> How would that fit in with our model?

20:18>> The Athens Land Trust.

20:19>> No, no. No, no. How would that fit in

20:21with us? The TAD.

20:24Uh because

20:26as the TAD is written now, my

20:27understanding is that

20:30developers can come, but these have to

20:33be new projects then?

20:36>> Yes.

20:38>> So

20:38>> A new project is we're forming a

20:40consortium. What's the help me with the

20:41words the words here? We're forming a

20:45uh an affordable society affordable

20:47housing society.

20:48Whatever you want to call it, but we

20:50identify who all of the players are

20:53who would want to be engaged in

20:58the future of affordable housing

21:02projects and upgrades.

21:03>> I thought you gave me a word back.

21:06>> You know, we've got 1 and 1/2 million

21:07dollars to spend. If we've got if we've

21:09got the people at the table, we've got

21:10some very credible people at the table.

21:13Here.

21:13>> I have a basic question.

21:15Uh

21:16so, all of this has to

21:18uh work through nonprofits. It can't be

21:21like private individuals.

21:23>> For-profit.

21:24>> Uh oh, for-profit and it can go to

21:26individuals.

21:27>> No, no, all organizations would hold the

21:29money.

21:29>> Uh-huh.

21:30>> And I'll okay the money.

21:32>> Yeah.

21:32>> But for-profit organizations I think

21:35would and develop

21:36>> And they develop me or build or whatever

21:39that repairs are.

21:41That's that's that's that's what I'm

21:43thinking.

21:44>> So, typically TAD is for for

21:46development. So,

21:48I just want to be very careful before we

21:49start talking about current homeowner

21:51and they just want to make improvements

21:53to their homes. That's

21:54>> That's why I actually said why I asked

21:55the question. As it's written now, it's

21:58only for new and developers bringing in

22:02new projects. You know, like sewer,

22:05water, or whatever, you know, those

22:08>> for neighborhoods.

22:08>> Internal things are.

22:11>> I mean, all right. Well, we may need

22:13some help from the upper echelons who

22:15deal with these people in a to in

22:18collaboration with

22:20neighbors,

22:22East Athenians,

22:24who can identify people who would want

22:26to be part of a development corporation

22:29that

22:31takes this on.

22:33So, the the

22:35potential for a for-profit,

22:36not-for-profit

22:38collaboration

22:42identify

22:44new parcels for sale that would be

22:47uh candidates for the Athens Land Trust,

22:50New Creeks, for Mike's

22:52visions.

22:53New, you know, but one of my most

22:59driven thoughts is taking existing homes

23:03and retrofitting them. That Give that to

23:05a developer who, you know, hires

23:10as many, you know, locals as

23:13East Phoenicians as he or she can.

23:18Do we feel

23:19Do we not feel like we're

23:21outside of what TAD does?

23:24I mean, I may be wrong. I don't know. I

23:26may be wrong on this statement.

23:28You're probably right.

23:31Well, thank you for asking that.

23:32>> [laughter]

23:34>> The committee's work formed to basically

23:37receive developers' proposals.

23:40>> Okay.

23:41>> And and hear those proposals and then

23:42make recommendations to the mayor and

23:43commission.

23:44>> I got you. So, if a developer came and

23:46proposed this to us,

23:49uh uh it it would it wouldn't be like we

23:51were participating in it, but we would

23:53be the entity that would receive the

23:55information.

23:56>> Recommend it to the mayor and

23:57commission.

23:58>> Yes.

23:58>> Yes, that's that's the idea.

23:59>> and make recommendations.

24:01Yeah. So, it could be feasible, that

24:04model.

24:05Yeah.

24:08>> Do you have any developers in mind?

24:09>> There you go.

24:10>> Oh, I I can't.

24:12>> But, would would

24:14um so, would the nonprofits be

24:15considered developers?

24:17>> Well, nonprofits are eligible for TAD

24:20funding as is any private developer.

24:23>> So, they could come with the same sort

24:25of idea

24:27and that

24:31I like

24:33where we're headed. I mean, I We now

24:35need to move all these people we've been

24:37identifying. If there are any developers

24:42who would want to be around a table

24:44where we put together a presentation to

24:46make to ourselves.

24:49But, to make to really I mean, maybe a

24:52screener would be you, Daniel, and Ilka.

24:54>> You You do that, can you, Daniel?

24:56>> No, ma'am.

24:57>> Because he's on the front end. He can't

25:01encourage people on the front end.

25:04You know.

25:06>> It's nice to have you here. Nice to meet

25:07you.

25:07>> Oh, yes. My pleasure. We've probably met

25:09before.

25:10>> [laughter]

25:11>> Yeah.

25:11>> I'm around. I was your co-worker for a

25:14little while.

25:15>> [laughter]

25:18>> Um but you know, maybe maybe

25:20>> Let's

25:21>> Maybe we can chew around that and think

25:22about it.

25:22>> And being meeting doesn't involve

25:27involves this guy and that guy.

25:29>> Any official business has to be

25:31>> I got it. One official.

25:35Well, you know, we don't mean to skirt

25:36around it, but

25:37but we do mean to

25:39invite developers and we have to invent

25:41them.

25:41>> [laughter]

25:43>> Thank you for tolerating me, Daniel.

25:48Love you all. They don't forget

25:49>> Forget the vote and and

25:53>> [laughter]

25:54>> Those things

25:55>> that I love. I don't know how to put it

25:56in print.

25:57>> A pleasure to be with you all.

25:59>> file

26:07Yeah.

26:08>> Totally.

26:08>> Uh-uh. No.

26:10I was just going to place. So, where

26:12where are we

26:13all right now? Waiting on the main

26:16commission to kind of smoke that thing

26:18over or

26:19>> For announcements office in the

26:20attorney's office.

26:21>> Got you.

26:22>> I thought I would just say yeah.

26:23>> Got it. Minimum.

26:29>> I thought that was a good discussion.

26:31>> Yeah.

26:32>> I do think I think we are

26:35headed towards a direction.

26:39Just got to kind of narrow it down

26:42and

26:44get us going in the right direction.

26:49And I guess that kind of goes into the

26:53I don't know if you've heard of the new

26:54reasons or strategy for a future meeting

26:56and how

26:58And and I guess this will be how how we

27:01would

27:02receive these

27:04uh influence and

27:06uh

27:07application and how we

27:09>> How we move forward?

27:10>> Yeah.

27:12Um

27:18So, I'm not sure if they do something

27:20kind of like how

27:23it has to be submitted

27:25to you, right, Daniel? Or

27:28application go through you?

27:29>> Applications are supposed to originate

27:32with my office. And so, me or or

27:34somebody on my team. Um and that way we

27:36can do a little bit of vetting and

27:37prepping before it gets to you and and

27:39then

27:40we're all uncertain what we're actually

27:41talking about.

27:42>> Yeah. Yeah.

27:44Um

27:49If someone say he has prepped, I guess

27:51it would come to us

27:53during the meeting.

27:55And I guess the agenda for that

27:57our our agenda will probably change

28:00for that.

28:02>> It could be a regular meeting or it

28:03could be a a special meeting, special

28:05called if if, you know, that expedites

28:08the process

28:10and you're able to.

28:13It's great to have the chair and the

28:14vice chair here because y'all can

28:15>> I personally would I'd rather have it if

28:18it

28:19whichever one come in first, I would

28:20probably rather have the

28:22special called meeting

28:24so that things can kind of move along

28:26and um

28:27>> Yeah.

28:27>> things can continue.

28:28>> It's stagnant till the next month.

28:30>> Take a long time.

28:31>> Yeah.

28:32Yeah.

28:35Daniel, can you get a consensus so we

28:38can have participation from all fellow

28:40members?

28:42A consensus about a date for a special

28:44meeting between now and November the

28:48second weekend the third weekend

28:50November.

28:52>> Between between

28:53>> Between now and you know we have our

28:55next meeting November the whatever that

28:57date is the third

28:58>> Third Saturday?

29:00>> Okay. Between now and then so maybe

29:03we'll if we have this special meeting we

29:05can kind of figure out um

29:09strategies you know for as the um you

29:12going to say strategies for future

29:15meeting or strategies from some of the

29:18things that we talked about here today.

29:21How we how that would be accomplished.

29:24Um what um

29:26Taylor had brought up about uh land

29:29trust and EHD and particular things like

29:33that. Because uh today has kind of

29:37opened up my mind a little more

29:39uh because of the fact

29:42that

29:43I I don't I didn't have the

29:45understanding cuz I'm thinking new new

29:48new. I did not understand that

29:50developers could come in

29:53um with requests

29:55for whatever the TAD will pay for.

30:00You know whatever those narrow that

30:02guidelines are.

30:04Uh and if it's not new new new then

30:08um developer could come in I assume and

30:11say um

30:14well we have we have these condos or

30:17townhouses

30:19and um

30:21we want to do a project on the sewer or

30:24we want to do a project on

30:26uh whatever is allowed.

30:29Would would would they be able to come

30:32to the TAD and uh

30:34bring up a proposal like that and with

30:36expectation of getting some support for

30:39that?

30:40>> So I think they they would come of

30:41course first to my office. And then we

30:43could totally talk about it.

30:46Depending on cuz the wording could could

30:48be no, it's not really

30:50you know, it doesn't fit or or does. So

30:53yes, if it's worded

30:55well and and maybe our attorney's office

30:57would even take a gander at it, you

30:59know, before it comes to you.

31:00Um yes, it's it's sort of that

31:03difference of, you know,

31:04I can't Daniel's house can't I can't

31:07just say like, "Hey, I need some tag

31:08funds for Daniel's house." Or as a

31:10developer I can't say I need some funds

31:11for Daniel's house. It's I like your

31:13example. It's I have these condos and of

31:15course we've got that fund for. I I have

31:18these condos. I could do affordable

31:19housing, but it's just too expensive for

31:22me to do these these sewer improvements

31:24and and keep it affordable housing. And

31:26that would be

31:27a good

31:29possibly good use of tag funds.

31:32>> Yeah. Cuz uh

31:34I'm going to say that

31:36uh

31:38is with the situation that happened last

31:41proposal that happened at our last

31:43meeting.

31:45I didn't know there was going to be that

31:47type of

31:48proposal saying like

31:50he came in

31:52and

31:53it almost sounded it almost sounded like

31:57they were going to

31:58they were proposing to give us

32:01>> to the land trust.

32:02>> to the land trust just off of

32:06we had an amended agenda

32:08to add I don't think we had it on the

32:11agenda.

32:12>> Mhm.

32:13>> Yeah, added them to the added them to

32:15the agenda

32:16you know, the same day

32:18and

32:19not knowing that they were going to come

32:21with a

32:22proposal to

32:26possibly I'm going to say possibly

32:28receive funds. You know, I I was

32:30>> It was ambiguous. It was my biggest

32:32problem with it. It was really really

32:34ambiguous and I knew that people were

32:36not going to understand it.

32:38Now, them those guys don't understand

32:40it, you know, what it doesn't look like

32:42to people out there that don't have a

32:44law degree, who that haven't managed the

32:46city, who haven't been in a position

32:48like yours, Daniel.

32:50Yeah.

32:50>> Yeah, I don't think that was a good

32:53way to do that. Yeah, so I do think

32:56if it ain't if anybody comes in and they

32:59want to be on the agenda, if it's a

33:01proposal, that definitely need to go

33:03through

33:04you first,

33:05so that we would know

33:07uh what this proposal is for. Try to

33:09give us a heads-up on what the proposal

33:11is

33:12first, and

33:15and then we can come in and have our

33:18minds prepared on

33:20what it is being presented. But, I

33:22didn't I didn't necessarily think that

33:24was the time for that.

33:26Uh

33:27>> Yeah, but you know, what

33:29for me, we should have been using our

33:32heads. We should have gone, "Okay, let's

33:34table that."

33:35And and that was my main concern. Let's

33:38Let's look at this. It It was not

33:40appropriate for us to handle that.

33:42And us sitting in the room got to do

33:45better.

33:47You know, it really was not, because it

33:49sounded too much like that we were just

33:51going to give the land trust $100,000

33:55to do what they were asking to do,

33:57because it wasn't enough in the

33:59proposal, there wasn't enough

34:02red flags or stop signs for people to

34:05get the understanding of that or the

34:07meaning out of what it was actually

34:09saying.

34:11I mean,

34:15>> And from my understanding as well,

34:17were you encouraging the land trust to

34:20go out and get public feedback, that if

34:23they actually did do a formal proposal,

34:25they would have that public input or

34:26>> Well, I think they do that anyway. I I I

34:29think I think that's what they do

34:31anyway,

34:32You know, and I I I I kind of felt like

34:37you know,

34:39well, when the motion was made, I felt

34:41like it was not a good motion

34:43because of the way it was worded. And I

34:45don't think we could have fixed it up

34:46any kind of way

34:48to make it uh have good wording. Because

34:52no matter what when you talk about

34:53money, the community listens when you

34:55talk about things, they don't. But when

34:58you put an attachment on to something,

35:00they listen.

35:02And

35:04not the biggest brain in power, but I

35:07know if I had not been sitting in this

35:09room during the discussion, if I just

35:12saw it,

35:14if I just saw it for the first time

35:16without being in the room,

35:18I'm going on the fact that I would have

35:20been confused. And that's what I was

35:21trying to relay to everybody else.

35:24You know, that would confuse me if if I

35:26hadn't been sitting in these rooms. And

35:28these people ain't been sitting in these

35:29rooms.

35:30So,

35:31and and and I don't think it's out in

35:33the community like that, you know, it's

35:36kind of been maintained in house, but

35:38uh

35:39as we see,

35:41those guys are confused.

35:44Uh

35:45and I

35:48you know, we just have to kind of

35:51be aware of

35:54what we can and cannot do, you know,

35:56through TAS.

35:58You know, even if it's uh

36:01even if it's a proposal where it's

36:05something we're looking at, we're not

36:07doing this, but we're looking at this.

36:10Uh

36:10I think we have to be very careful with

36:13our motions and our seconds.

36:15You know, uh

36:17cuz I think that everybody in the room

36:19understood

36:21that we're not giving them $100,000 to

36:24do this. This is just a proposal for

36:27them to go back and bring something to

36:29us.

36:31But I didn't have that feel when when it

36:32was being said, I didn't have that

36:35feeling. I felt like okay,

36:38this is going to be received and we're

36:40going to give Land Trust $100,000.

36:49So, I I

36:50think that's that's that's on us,

36:53you know, to do better, to you know, uh

36:57and

36:58anybody you know, anybody can request to

37:00come to the meeting, you know, I don't

37:02want to exclude anybody, but uh

37:05we have to be careful

37:07uh

37:09how we handle suggestions from the

37:12people that come to the meeting, that

37:14come to present. That's all.

37:16>> Yeah.

37:22>> Maybe in the future

37:25one of the three of us cuz you're one of

37:27the three of us just stands up and go

37:29>> [laughter]

37:30>> That's all. That's a hard no.

37:34>> Well, now we know, so

37:36>> Yeah, now we know, we know, don't we?

37:37>> We'll all jump up next year.

37:41>> It's confusing, isn't it? Uh I I

37:44>> Basically, sir, pretty much following.

37:47I think I followed him. Yeah.

37:51>> Well, at the end of the day, the

37:52discussion was pretty good. Uh

37:53>> Yeah.

37:54>> We didn't have a problem, but it was

37:55pretty good, I think. I think we did

37:57some things cleared and accomplished on

38:01that end. Uh

38:03And this both of right?

38:05>> Yeah.

38:06>> Appreciate you coming and uh sitting in

38:08with us. You got any questions or

38:10>> Um

38:11I know that's the ones I had, but thank

38:13you for letting me know that.

38:14Curious, you know, it's I didn't know

38:17didn't know we could

38:19get I'm just very much citizen.

38:21>> Mr. Wilson a former

38:22>> Yeah, yeah, but we can allow you to sit

38:24in

38:25>> in, but if it had been a formal meeting,

38:27you would have got your what? 3 minutes

38:28before the meeting

38:30to speak on.

38:31>> Okay, I didn't know that part.

38:33Okay, got you. Got you.

38:35>> Um, can I just ask Miss Will, am I am I

38:39seeking a date for a meeting before the

38:4117th or is that a topic for us?

38:43>> Let's Let's Let's chew on that and

38:45marinate on it for

38:47What do you think?

38:48>> Well, I I guess it depend on

38:51what the mayor commission

38:53>> Yeah, come back with what they come back

38:56with. Yeah, absolutely. Thank you,

38:58David.

38:58>> Turn this office

39:00so they can keep an eye on that and then

39:03Yes, once they do that

39:06then we can

39:07come back and I just say

39:10it'll just be a special meeting for

39:14uh,

39:14just kind of put a strategy together

39:17for those type of meetings.

39:20You have a formal meeting

39:22uh, how we going to operate.

39:28>> All right, so I assume it's probably not

39:30going to be till November 3rd.

39:32Okay, got you. Got you.

39:33>> Okay, that's right.

39:34>> Okay, that's Okay.

39:41>> So,

39:42uh,

39:43all hearts and minds clear,

39:46we can adjourn the meeting.

39:52>> I don't know that adjourn the meeting.

39:54Well, we don't have the room, so it

39:55don't matter. Thank you.

39:58My mind always run back to that.

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