2026-10-19 - Traffic and Transportation Commission

01:59Mhm.

03:16>> Welcome to the traffic and

03:18transportation

03:20commission meeting

03:21for October 19th, 2026.

03:25Call the meeting to order. We'll do roll

03:27call.

03:28Go to Commissioner Norton, who's not

03:30available today. Commissioner

03:32Littlefield.

03:33>> Present.

03:34>> Commissioner Kearns.

03:35>> Here.

03:36>> Hale.

03:36>> Here, sir.

03:37>> Commissioner

03:38Martinez is not available. Commissioner

03:41Wynn.

03:41>> Here.

03:42>> Commissioner George.

03:43>> Here.

03:43>> And Commissioner Cornett.

03:46Okay.

03:48Can I have a motion concerning approval

03:50of the traffic and transportation

03:52commission meeting minutes from

03:55September 21st, 2026, please.

04:00>> Motion to approve.

04:01>> Motion by Commissioner Hale. Do we have

04:03a second?

04:04>> Second.

04:05>> Second by Commissioner Wynn. Any

04:08discussion?

04:10Here we have a motion to approve the

04:11minutes by Commissioner Hale, seconded

04:13by Commissioner Wynn. Votes, please.

04:21We're standing by.

04:45Okay.

04:47All right. Go to Commissioner

04:49Littlefield.

04:51Yay. Commissioner Cornes.

04:55Commissioner Cornett.

04:57Abstain.

04:59Commissioner Wynn.

05:00>> Yay.

05:01>> Uh Commissioner Hale.

05:03>> Yes.

05:04>> Commissioner George.

05:05>> Uh I abstain as well. I was out of town

05:08last

05:09>> And

05:10>> Last meeting.

05:10>> I vote yay.

05:13So, what's the count?

05:14That be 1 2

05:18Five yays.

05:20And two abstain.

05:22Okay. So, item passed five yay, two

05:25abstain.

05:27We go now to item three, reports from

05:30the traffic services division in the

05:32councilor's office, sir.

05:34>> All right. You've got our standard

05:35monthly report before you. Uh there have

05:37been no traffic signals that have been

05:39approved recently, so the October report

05:42is just like the one from September. Uh

05:45we have not done any any recent

05:47installations of any speed cushions or

05:50driver speed feedback signs under our

05:53alternative speed abatement program.

05:55And you can see that we had quite a

05:57number of yield signs installed across

05:59the city and we have uh, one turn

06:03restriction that was installed at um, on

06:06Northwest 130th Street 38th Street at

06:09North Rockwell Avenue. And if you've got

06:11any questions about the reports or the

06:13contents, I'd be happy to answer them.

06:16>> Two questions. Um,

06:18on the ASAP, do we have a balance of

06:21what's available with city funds on that

06:22still?

06:24>> As far as um, if we were to get

06:27applicants, are we funded for to be able

06:29to take new applications? Yes.

06:31>> Do you know what the balance is or can

06:33we get that later or next meeting?

06:36>> I can I can probably get the balance for

06:38you prior to the next meeting. I'll just

06:40send it to you.

06:41>> Yeah, and then could could you talk to a

06:43little bit more on the turn restriction

06:45there at 138th and Rockwell? And is it

06:47just from from 138th onto Rockwell?

06:51>> Right. Uh, that particular intersection

06:53is

06:54138th Street has got a structured

06:56entrance, kind of got a bull head in it.

06:59So, it's set up so that it's right turns

07:01in and right turns out and the these

07:03signs are doing nothing more than

07:05reinforcing the geometrics at the

07:07intersection. So,

07:09we don't get uh, drivers making left

07:11turns from a from a lane which is

07:13definitely structured to handle right

07:15turns only.

07:16>> Thanks.

07:20Anybody else have anything for the

07:22staff? Okay, counselor.

07:25>> Nothing from me. Thank you.

07:26>> ma'am.

07:28There are no items on the consent

07:29docket, so we go to item five, 5A, which

07:32is the uh, traffic and transportation

07:35commission, the election of officers for

07:372026 and 2027, which would take effect

07:40at next meeting.

07:42Do we have any motion for the chairman

07:44and the vice chair?

07:46I should have Cornett.

07:49>> I would like to move that we retain

07:52Commissioner Kula as the chair and Mr.

07:55Hale as the vice chair.

07:58>> Okay, do we have a second on that?

07:59>> I'll second that.

08:00>> Second by Commissioner George.

08:04Any talk about it? Any other

08:06nominations? Okay, we have

08:09nomination we have

08:12from Commissioner Cornett second by

08:14Commissioner George. Kula to stay as the

08:16chair and Hale as the vice chair. Can I

08:19have you votes? We still voting

08:22verbally? Okay, no? Oh, there we are.

08:25Okay.

08:29It's up on the screen.

08:31All right, item has passed. All seven in

08:33favor.

08:34We go on now to item 5B, David Hawkins

08:37always stop control north McKinley

08:40Avenue and Westchester Drive.

08:44Do we have anybody here to speak on this

08:45item?

08:46Yes, sir. If I could have your name and

08:48address, you'll have 5 minutes.

08:51>> I'm Carter Still. My address is 1231

08:54Westchester Drive, which is just west of

08:57where the the intersection we're

08:58discussing.

09:03Sure.

09:04Well, thank you guys for your time and

09:06attention while we petitioned to

09:07hopefully make our street safer. Um

09:10it's a simple issue really, although

09:12it's very technically put together with

09:15the traffic measurements and things like

09:17that. So, I want to speak to both.

09:19Um on the the technical side, um the

09:23report indicated that there are over

09:251,000 vehicles traveling north and south

09:28of this intersection on a daily basis.

09:30Um tracked speeds up to 56 mph. Um and

09:34then one thing I want to point out, if

09:35you look at the map,

09:37to the north, there's a apartment

09:38complex, just one block,

09:41which has 280 apartments in it, if I

09:45I correctly researched that.

09:47So, we only have yield signs on the

09:49east-west

09:51for Westchester there. And the point is

09:5356 mph, that that driver is either

09:56slowing down as they're approaching the

09:57apartment complex before they run into

09:59the sign, or they're speeding up to go

10:01south on

10:03McKinley, which is the most common, I

10:06think, way out of the neighborhood for

10:07most people cuz there's no stop signs

10:09for

10:103/4 of a mile.

10:12And then

10:13a couple of other points

10:16from the report,

10:18east-west, again, there's only yield

10:20signs there, and you can see pretty well

10:22as you approach the intersection.

10:25So, cars typically, you know, feel the

10:28need to not even slow down there and

10:29just continue through. But you have such

10:31a short distance of cars entering

10:34McKinley there

10:36that I feel like there's just an

10:37increased likelihood of an incident

10:39there. So,

10:40from the data standpoint, I feel like

10:43the report spit out this is not

10:45approvable.

10:46But from a practical standpoint, knowing

10:49those boundaries and how far the

10:51distances are between stopping points,

10:54I just think that context really helps

10:56the numbers to maybe show a different

10:58story.

10:59And then on [clears throat] some other

11:01points, we have a school, Nichols Hills

11:03Elementary, down 3/4 of a mile south

11:07of the intersection.

11:10Children are often walking to school in

11:11the morning whenever people from the

11:13apartment complex or just the

11:14neighborhood are also using McKinley as

11:16their main way out of the neighborhood.

11:20And probably losing my place here, I

11:22apologize.

11:26On our block and the block to the east,

11:29and just the surrounding neighborhood,

11:30there are over eight families with

11:33approaching 20 children that

11:35lucky for us have all gotten to know

11:36each other are in between houses.

11:39I know this is not a measurable

11:40statistic for you all but on a daily

11:42basis we have a group text saying hey

11:44I'll be outside watching to make sure

11:46so-and-so gets to so-and-so's house

11:48safely.

11:49We feel the need that if they're out

11:50riding their bikes and they're all the

11:52age where that's kind of new for them

11:54that we almost have to be in the middle

11:55of the street to make sure that a

11:57delivery driver you know now that Amazon

12:00can be delivered by any vehicle out

12:02there there's people that are on a tight

12:04deadline to make as many deliveries as

12:05they can and

12:07I just feel like that just incentivizes

12:09them to be speeding and typing in their

12:11GPS and getting where they're going. So

12:14and then

12:16just some [clears throat] other points

12:17there's no sidewalks in our area

12:19to the I know this is not an

12:21intersection in in question but to the

12:23west

12:24is Nichols Road which is also a long

12:26stretch of road north-south which does

12:28not have stop signs in that direction

12:31and the traffic's controlled on a

12:32east-west basis by staggering the

12:34streets.

12:35So

12:36not suggesting or recommending anything

12:38over there at this time but my point is

12:41that there's over half a mile of

12:44distance on Westchester from that point

12:47to your next actual stop sign and so

12:49there's just on east-west basis there's

12:52easy to speed if if you are really

12:54trying to get somewhere fast and just

12:57adds to the danger that we see on a

12:59daily basis.

13:00Um

13:02Let me look through here real quick and

13:03also I want to point out the neighbors

13:05are here.

13:06This is really important to us.

13:08We're not just saying throw some stop

13:10signs for everywhere you can. We

13:12wouldn't be here if if it wasn't

13:14something we truly felt would mitigate

13:17risk of something terrible happening

13:18someday.

13:19Um

13:23And I think those are kind of all the

13:25talking points. David you can kind of

13:27sent some could he as you allowed to

13:29approach as well.

13:31>> So,

13:31one of the issues

13:32>> Hold on. Hold on. Hold on a second, sir.

13:34All right. Uh

13:36So, he's done. So, uh

13:38you'd like to come up and speak. Please

13:39come up and then when you're done, fill

13:41out one of these forms also, please. You

13:44have up to 5 minutes.

13:45>> One of the issues as I understand it is

13:47that

13:49David Hawkins, 1128 Westchester.

13:53And it's my understanding from speaking

13:55with the police department that they

13:56don't have enough personnel

13:58to be able to uh patrol that with a

14:01traffic uh policeman or whatever you

14:03call it. We've had a motorcycle

14:05policeman there maybe three times.

14:08Uh and when I've called to ask for them

14:10to come more because we still have a lot

14:12of speeding, uh they said they don't

14:14have any personnel for that. A lot of

14:16the uh

14:18motorcycle cops have retired or

14:20something like that.

14:22And so, we really don't have any

14:23solution for the speeding. You don't

14:25have enough personnel.

14:27Uh

14:28people are speeding up to 56 mph.

14:31And uh

14:33there are no stop signs, so

14:36that's all I have to say.

14:38>> All right, sir. And I already have a

14:39form for you. So, you're good to go,

14:41sir.

14:41>> you.

14:41>> Okay. Anybody else want to speak on this

14:43item?

14:45No. Okay, very good.

14:47Uh staff, do we have your input, please?

14:50>> Sure. Uh you've got our staff report

14:52before you. Um in this particular case,

14:55if you go through the uh traffic data on

14:56the first page, you'll notice that uh

14:58there is an 85th percentile speed of 30

15:00mph that we recorded on McKinley Avenue.

15:04Uh as as was mentioned during our uh

15:08long-term traffic study, there was one

15:10recorded uh driver that was operating

15:12their vehicle. Could have been a

15:13motorcycle at 56 mph.

15:16Um this particular intersection does not

15:18meet any of the MUTCD always stop

15:21control warrants and therefore

15:24uh

15:25there was not a there is not a

15:26recommendation for the always stop. Uh

15:30the petitioner has provided information

15:32showing that 100% of the residents

15:34within the required petition canvass

15:36area did sign in favor of the request.

15:38So, action on this item will be at the

15:40discretion of the commission.

15:42>> All right, thank you. Do we have a

15:43motion concerning item 5B?

15:46>> I move for approval to open some

15:49conversation about the ASAP program.

15:51>> Okay, we have a motion to approve item

15:535B by Commissioner Littlefield. Do we

15:55have a second?

15:56>> I'll second.

15:57>> Second by Commissioner Cornett. All

15:58right, sir.

16:02>> Has anybody approached you guys with

16:04something called the ASAP program?

16:06Altern- alternative speed abatement

16:08program

16:09in Oklahoma City?

16:11Um

16:13stop signs are not designed

16:15to slow people down. They're designed to

16:18control traffic flow at intersections

16:21where the traffic counts are about equal

16:23to each other. What slows people down is

16:26something in their way.

16:28And in the ASAP program, there are speed

16:29humps and speed tables and driver

16:32feedback devices, you've seen those

16:34where they tell you how fast you're

16:35driving.

16:36Those

16:38are successful at slowing people down

16:40and they're also successful at

16:43um

16:44helping manage cut-through traffic.

16:47So,

16:49I recommend that you all take a look at

16:51that.

16:52I'm I'm perfectly willing to support a

16:55stop sign if that's what you all want to

16:57do, but if you really want to accomplish

16:59something, I think the

17:01speed tables would be your answer.

17:05>> One thing to note on that is that we

17:07just spoke about this, the city actually

17:09has funds to split that cost in half

17:13with you. So, your neighbors would pay

17:15in half and then the city would support

17:17the other half. So, if you did go that

17:19route, it's half as expensive as it

17:21would be if you did it on your own.

17:23And they'll install it for you. You

17:24don't have to do it.

17:26>> Okay.

17:27Do we have any other talk on item 5B?

17:32We have a motion to approve 5B by

17:35Commissioner Littlefield, second by

17:36Commissioner Cornett. Votes, please.

17:45Item has passed with all seven in favor.

17:47And again, just work with the staff

17:49about the ASAP program. Okay, we go on

17:51now to item 5C, Jack Russian.

17:55Uh no parking anytime on the east and

17:56west sides of South McKinley Avenue from

18:00Southwest 84th Street to Southwest 89th

18:03Street. All right, sir. If I could have

18:05your name and address, and you'll have

18:08up to 5 minutes.

18:09>> Good afternoon. Jack Russian,

18:12residing 8520 St. Michael Court.

18:16That's in the St. Croix Villa addition

18:20off of McKinley.

18:23I'd like to thank you for giving the

18:24time to the petition that I sent around

18:27all the neighbors to to sign

18:30uh in an effort to

18:32restrict parking on McKinley.

18:35>> [sighs]

18:35>> Um

18:37in April of this year, the Oak Crest

18:40Church of Christ, located at 1111

18:44Southwest 89th Street, sold its entire

18:47property to the Santa Fe South Charter

18:50School System.

18:52Uh the sale was the church and

18:55approximately a 5-acre field

18:57that extends from 89th Street to about

19:00Southwest 84th Street on McKinley.

19:03And that property is on the east side of

19:06McKinley.

19:08Uh the school is phasing in its student

19:11body.

19:12It has plans to um add students as time

19:15goes on. They're also planning to turn

19:18the 5-acre

19:20uh field into

19:21a soccer field. Probably a couple of of

19:25soccer diamonds are are in its near

19:27future.

19:29We've seen issues with the school

19:30traffic parking on McKinley

19:33on both sides leaving just one lane down

19:35the the middle that allows traffic to

19:38flow.

19:39McKinley is only 24-ft wide and it

19:44can be extremely dangerous. It's only

19:46happened several times since the school

19:48took over, but uh it's the overflow

19:51parking that simply doesn't fit in the

19:53church parking area that will then

19:56find no alternative but to go on to

19:58McKinley under the current conditions.

20:01There is no traffic control as far as we

20:04we have the the school is trying to uh

20:08steer cars from parking on McKinley

20:11because we have met with them and and

20:13shown our concerns, but uh this

20:16problem's only going to get worse

20:18as the school grows as well as as they

20:21add these soccer fields

20:23uh for par- for practices as well as

20:26games.

20:28Um

20:31our concerns are with the number of

20:34vehicles that need to park for special

20:37meetings

20:38um

20:39and for the practice.

20:41McKinley is a vital street to our

20:43community.

20:45We have residents

20:47that have heavy equipment such as dump

20:49trucks that uh

20:51um they have to get in and out of their

20:53driveways in order to use McKinley to

20:55get

20:57back and forth to work.

20:59Um

21:02if the school if the

21:03cars are parked along the curb

21:06uh it's going to restrict uh our trash

21:09service on trash days

21:11uh cuz our kind of uh the the the

21:14residents that live on McKinley have to

21:16put their trash cans out on the street.

21:19The number nine fire station frequently

21:21uses McKinley to not only

21:24um

21:25make calls to our

21:27uh

21:27retirement community at Saint Croix, but

21:30also

21:31the Brookwood

21:33skilled nursing facility that's on 84th

21:36Street has very frequent uh

21:39issues with fire department needing to

21:41make calls, emergency calls, and they

21:44use McKinley to get to that location.

21:48Uh

21:49as I said before, the school has done a

21:50great job in trying to help uh

21:54with

21:55the the traffic,

21:57but I think the day's coming when that's

22:00going to get out of their control.

22:02They have other options. Um

22:05I I'm totally in favor of kids uh

22:09having a good time and having a place to

22:10play,

22:11but um

22:12if they're going to have to resort to

22:16other areas to park

22:18uh cars for meetings, etc.,

22:20maybe that soccer field should be turned

22:22into more of a parking area

22:25to keep their cars off of the street and

22:27keep our community safe.

22:31And again, we appreciate your attention.

22:34Uh

22:36Do you have any questions?

22:38>> All right. Thank you very much, sir.

22:39>> Thank you.

22:40>> Anybody else want to speak on this side?

22:42Yes, sir.

22:43Please come on up.

22:50We'll need your name and address and

22:52then fill out one of these forms when

22:54you're done, please.

22:55>> Yes, sir.

22:56My name's Tommy Wayne McDonald.

22:58I live at 8615 South McKinley. My

23:01property is one of the two-acre pieces

23:04of property there directly across from

23:06the field.

23:07Uh

23:08what initiated my initial concern

23:11is they after they had bought the church

23:16they certainly wanted to show their

23:18constituents

23:20and classes about their new facility.

23:23So, they held their

23:24uh graduation ceremonies

23:27at the church.

23:29I come in about uh 8:30

23:34to make my turn onto McKinley

23:36and they're parked on each side down if

23:40you're looking at the map

23:41it would be

23:43to the first the first piece of property

23:46from the south. They had parked down

23:48there. It was totally both sides.

23:51Now, that wasn't too terribly bad except

23:54we just happened to have a one-ton truck

23:57parked here, a one-ton truck parked

23:59directly across

24:01I'm in my pickup. My mirror's closed in.

24:05Now, I had room

24:07but a fire truck couldn't have never got

24:08through there.

24:10So, that initiated my initial concerns.

24:13Uh

24:13I agree with what Jack said. The school

24:16has been very forthcoming and they've

24:18made every effort. They initially told

24:20us that they would be first

24:22kindergarten, first grade.

24:24And so, they're handling that nicely.

24:26However, they put in second grade. It

24:29will go to fifth, possibly sixth grade.

24:32So, as that builds we'll have additional

24:35traffic there. And as Jack explained our

24:37concerns we're we're an older community,

24:40you know, I'm not a kid anymore as you

24:42can tell.

24:43And so, the necessity for ambulances

24:47fire trucks to get through there is is

24:50very prevalent.

24:52And uh

24:53I just want to

24:54say I support

24:56the petition. I support the idea.

24:59And another thing there, I don't know

25:02if anyone's been out that way, they

25:04built a

25:05playground

25:07that's

25:08Jack, is it 52 ft?

25:10>> 52 ft.

25:11>> From the curb, they have no fencing

25:13around it. And we've observed the

25:16uh

25:17teachers or whomever supposed to observe

25:20them,

25:21they're sitting back under the shade,

25:22you know.

25:24Those kids get out there quite quick

25:26quickly.

25:27That's another concern. That that has

25:29nothing to do with the parking, but

25:31that's a concern. But we would

25:32appreciate your considerations on this,

25:35and I thank you for the time.

25:38>> All right, thank you, sir. Anybody else

25:40want to speak on this item? Yes, ma'am.

25:42Oh, so sorry.

25:45You need to fill out one of the forms,

25:46please. And ma'am, you also fill out a

25:48form when you're done, please.

25:49>> see them pass around?

25:51Thank you.

25:53>> And can I have your name and address,

25:55please? You have up to 5 minutes.

25:56>> Yes, sir. Uh Tonya Childers, 8601

26:028601 South McKinley Avenue. And I'll

26:05just be real brief. I just want to say

26:07uh I have the the other two-acre home

26:10that Wayne had

26:12uh brought up, but uh

26:14I fully support the petition. I fully

26:16support what Jack has said and what

26:19Wayne has said. And um you know, some of

26:21our other neighbors are here. So, we

26:24thank you for your time. I just want to

26:25be brief. I just want to you know, give

26:27a quick statement. Okay.

26:29>> Thank you, ma'am.

26:30>> Mhm.

26:31>> Okay, anybody else wanted to speak on

26:33this item?

26:34Okay, staff, your input, please.

26:36>> You've got our report before you. Um

26:39McKinley is a built to the city's

26:41typical residential standard, which is

26:4326 ft as measured from from face to face

26:46of curb.

26:47Um the applicant has provided a petition

26:49that shows that 91% of respondents

26:51within the required petitionary favor

26:54the no parking requests for both sides

26:56of McKinley from Southwest 84th to

26:58Southwest 89th Street. So, I'm happy to

27:00answer any questions you may have on the

27:01item and action will be at the

27:03discretion of the commission.

27:05>> All right, thank you. Do we have a

27:06motion concerning item 5C?

27:09>> Motion to approve.

27:10>> Motion to approve by Commissioner Hale.

27:12Do we have a second?

27:17>> I'll second.

27:18>> Second by Commissioner Ruth-McKinley. Do

27:20we have any discussion?

27:22>> I have a question.

27:26For the applicant.

27:29>> Who would Who would that be?

27:32>> Sir, if you could come up to the mic, he

27:33has a question for you.

27:35Thank you.

27:37>> Thank you, sir. I just Jack

27:40I want some clarity in my mind if the

27:42issue is

27:44generally on-street parking all

27:46throughout the day or if it's just a

27:48child pick-up

27:50student pick-up zone in the afternoon

27:53that's the problem.

27:55>> Currently, it

27:57Our concern is an all-day

27:59concern. The school has done a good job

28:02of

28:03steering the traffic dropping bringing

28:06kids in and out onto 89th Street and has

28:09and has done their best to try to keep

28:11them off of McKinley.

28:12It's not the the drop-off is the issue.

28:15It's

28:16the

28:17flow of vehicles that come in that will

28:21not fit into this church parking lot

28:23that's going to be falling onto McKinley

28:26if there's not some kind of

28:28restriction.

28:29>> Thank you for that clarity. Appreciate

28:31it.

28:33>> And sir, uh

28:34if you could

28:36My my thought is

28:38why both sides of the street? Why not

28:40just on the school side of the street

28:42and that way

28:44the trash problem wouldn't be a a

28:47because if there's no parking on the

28:49housing side

28:51and you would be able to pull out of

28:53your driveway, be able to see and

28:55everything, but still allow

28:58parking on the school side of the road.

29:01Is that something that might work

29:03instead of just closing it all down?

29:06>> It's it certainly be something we could

29:09try, but uh

29:11I I

29:13I know how

29:14kids and

29:16when those soccer fields get developed

29:19if there's any chance that they can get

29:22away with parking on that street and

29:24it's probably going to be a problem

29:25whether there's park no parking signs

29:27there or not. But I feel quite certain

29:30they're going to be parking on both

29:31sides once that field gets opened up.

29:37>> Okay. All right. Thank you, sir.

29:39That's That's my only input is

29:42try to get a happy medium here

29:45just

29:46not park on the on the housing side.

29:49>> Yeah.

29:50>> And and that would free up 8 10 ft and

29:54that would help with the

29:55>> Mhm.

29:55>> being able to go

29:56>> That that was my thinking as well when I

29:58was looking at this.

30:00Is there anyone from the s-

30:02the school that is

30:04is here? Are they in favor of this or

30:06not in favor of this? Do we know?

30:09>> Well, uh when we sent out our public

30:12notification email, the school

30:14administration was included in that.

30:16>> Mhm.

30:17>> I've not I've not received a response

30:19from them, so I don't know.

30:21>> Got you.

30:21>> I can't I can't tell you why they would

30:23would or would not be here today.

30:25Unless, of course, they're here now.

30:28>> Hi, sir.

30:30>> I need a blue piece of paper, sir.

30:31>> Yeah, you'll you'll have to fill out one

30:33of them and then if I could have your

30:34name and address, please. You'll have up

30:36to 5 minutes.

30:37>> Sure. My name is Brandon Roberson. I'm

30:39at 324 Towry Drive in

30:43Um

30:44I I don't think the school district has

30:45an issue with the parking, the signage.

30:48Obviously, we're in a position now where

30:50we're growing.

30:51Um we're looking at the options for

30:53parking. One of the one of the

30:56one of the focuses we have right now is

30:58to look at what the easement is along

31:00that street, going along the side of the

31:02field, to see if there's parking or if

31:04there if we would be able to park along

31:07there or make parking spaces or parking

31:09available there. I don't have a drawing

31:11for any fields. I don't have any drawing

31:13for anything that we have planned at

31:15this point. Um fencing is and just to

31:18address that because it did come up,

31:20fencing is something we're waiting on a

31:22grant to come through for and the state

31:24and

31:25just in general is a little slow on

31:28grant response right now. So, um

31:31we did have a meeting with the

31:33neighbors. I think everybody knows we

31:35were there, I was there.

31:36Um and we are open to to work however we

31:39can to eliminate any issues related to

31:42parking. I've been there through the

31:43project, I was part of the renovation

31:45project um for the school. We will only

31:48go up to fifth grade, that is the only

31:49plan for us. Um and we will do it. We're

31:52up to second grade now. We basically

31:54have two classrooms of second grade.

31:56We'll expand that, obviously. Um but our

31:59goal is to get to fifth grade and that

32:01will be year by year. So, we'll add

32:03third grade next year, fourth grade the

32:04next, fifth to the end. So, we're about

32:063 years out before we're fully at

32:08capacity.

32:09That should give us some time to

32:11address. We've also adjusted our

32:15traffic pattern in. Uh at first, it was

32:18right off of 89th in and out off the

32:20front of the building. We've since

32:22changed that pattern to around the back

32:23side of the building to add another

32:27probably 30 to 45 cars uh depending on

32:30the time frame. We've changed adjusted

32:32our times for pick up and drop off as

32:33well. I do know that there are issues

32:36when we have events. We're a big school

32:38district, uh a little over 5,000

32:40students, actually about 5116 as of this

32:43morning.

32:44Um

32:45but essentially what happens is we are

32:47family we are a family district. Um

32:50you know, a lot of schools when you have

32:52an event, you have mom and dad there.

32:54You might get a grandparent or two. In

32:56our district, you get everybody.

32:59So, it's not just one car, it's a

33:01couple. And we're aware of that. I

33:03believe the events that we've had we've

33:04had a robing session,

33:07uh two graduations, and a convocation

33:11for the district. We've done actually

33:12done the convocation twice

33:14uh

33:14in 2 years.

33:16It does take up space. I'm not going to

33:18pretend like it doesn't. We have

33:20discussed using the field to park until

33:22we have something more

33:24um

33:25established to do. But again, the

33:28conversation is how do we fix it for the

33:30long term, not just for the short term.

33:32As far as traffic up and down the

33:33street, I can vouch for fire trucks

33:36headed up and down the street. I can

33:37vouch for the neighbors being up and

33:39down the street. And I can vouch for it

33:40being a pain

33:42when it when it is parked on the side.

33:43But right now, I think it is strictly

33:45large events.

33:47There may be something going on I'm not

33:48aware of. Um but we will we will work on

33:51that. Um

33:52we've also submitted for speed zones at

33:55this point or school zones in the front

33:56of the building. So, hopefully that that

33:58will help as well. Um but our goal is to

34:01be a part of the community and to do

34:02what we can to make that happen.

34:05>> So, as far as

34:07the no parking on both sides of the

34:09street, are you guys okay with that?

34:12>> Happy happy for it, yeah. We'll we'll

34:14make adjustments anyway we need to.

34:20>> Okay. All right. Thank you very much.

34:22>> Thank you. Appreciate it.

34:23>> Anybody else

34:25have some comment?

34:30>> Well,

34:32>> Yes, sir.

34:33>> If you would be willing to do just the

34:35east side of McKinley, I mean, I'd be

34:37more than happy to change my

34:40uh

34:41motion.

34:42It's your call, though. Whatever.

34:46>> Yeah, go ahead. Whatever.

34:47>> The west side.

34:48The house inside.

34:49>> Well,

34:51Okay.

34:52On the west side, yeah. As far as the

34:54>> No parking.

34:54>> the parking on the east side, the no

34:56parking on the west. Sorry.

34:58>> Yes.

35:00Sure.

35:01Um

35:01Yeah, it is, you know, we'll negotiate

35:04and and and and go with just the one the

35:07east side of McKinley if that's

35:10what you all are willing to to do at

35:11this time. And then if it

35:14>> Well, it would it would allow parking on

35:16the east side.

35:17No parking would be on the housing side,

35:19which is the west.

35:20>> Okay. Okay.

35:21>> Yes.

35:22>> That way you guys would be able to pull

35:24out. You wouldn't have cars.

35:30>> Uh

35:31>> Okay.

35:32>> I've got no problem.

35:33>> I've got no problem leav- leaving the

35:35motion as is. But it's

35:38it's going to be very restrictive even

35:40if you have family events.

35:43I mean, they're going to have to park in

35:44your driveway or there will be no

35:45parking unless they park in the school's

35:48parking lot. So, uh

35:51as much as it's going to be a

35:52convenience, it's going to be an

35:53inconvenience as well.

35:55I mean, possibly. But it's if you want

35:57it to stand, that's fine.

36:00>> Well, we we need some kind of control

36:02and, you know, if we can't get it on

36:04both sides, then we'll accept whatever

36:06you guys are willing to to allow us to

36:09to do at this time. And

36:11again, we're looking at

36:13being able to get fire trucks through

36:14there, dump trucks,

36:17and trash trucks,

36:19emergency vehicles.

36:21That's our real concern and and uh

36:25and as Wayne indicated,

36:28the school has established a playground

36:31that's

36:3217 yd off of McKinley.

36:36And McKinley, we haven't talked about

36:38speed, but they're

36:39uh it's it's a fast street. We we have a

36:42lot of vehicles that run well above 25

36:45mph.

36:47And 17 yd for a little kid who just lost

36:50a ball is going to come out into

36:52McKinley. And if there's parked cars I

36:56um I actually experienced

36:58uh

36:59during one of these events

37:01uh having all those cars parked on the

37:03east side there's two exits out of the

37:07church parking lot onto McKinley.

37:09And as I was going

37:12south on McKinley

37:14there was a car trying to exit

37:17as there was vehicles pulled out all the

37:19way up to the exit and the car exiting

37:22the parking lot for the church

37:25could not see me going south. I couldn't

37:27see them and we both almost collided

37:30because they were parked so close to

37:32that exit coming out of the the church

37:34parking lot.

37:35And so

37:37this isn't going to fix that problem if

37:38we allow the parking

37:40to continue on the east side unless we

37:43put a red curb there or something to

37:46keep cars

37:47away from that ex either one of those

37:49exits, we're still going to have

37:51problems with traffic

37:54possibly colliding

37:56trying to come out of that church

37:57parking lot.

37:59>> Okay, it sound like you want me to leave

38:00the motion to stand as is and that's

38:03fine.

38:03>> Well, uh

38:04>> I don't think so.

38:04>> You know, parking at an entrance

38:08is limited to 20 ft from the entrance.

38:12So, if we

38:15did

38:16allow parking on the east side, we could

38:20put up some signs to remind people

38:22that 20-ft buffer

38:25to handle that concern.

38:27>> That would help, yeah.

38:28>> Okay, Mr. Mayfield.

38:30>> Yeah, I

38:33One of the things that

38:35happens when we try to solve a problem

38:38like this

38:39is with every action there's like a

38:41reaction. And one of one of the things

38:44that I've observed, and particularly in

38:47Ward 2, is when we do no parking anytime

38:50on residential streets on both sides of

38:52the street, we speed people up.

38:55It gives them a a visual of oh, wow.

39:00You know, off they go. Whereas if there

39:02random cars parked

39:04on the street, it tends to slow people

39:07down. And as uh Commissioner Hale

39:10mentioned, it it restricts the ability

39:13for visitors to park

39:15in front of

39:17on public parking in front of your

39:18house. That's just something to think

39:21about. It In my opinion, I live on a

39:25street that has no parking anytime on

39:28one side of the street, and it's been

39:30there now for I gosh, I don't know,

39:32maybe 20 years, and it's been very

39:34effective in keeping that balance open

39:38for any kind of vehicle.

39:41We had keeping some control and keeping

39:43the traffic at a slower pace than it

39:46would be if it were wide open. It's just

39:49something to think about while you're

39:52deciding today,

39:54and you could always come back at with

39:56an application for no parking anytime

39:59zone

40:00on the residential some someday too if

40:02it didn't accomplish what you're looking

40:04for.

40:05>> Okay.

40:06>> I agree.

40:07>> All right, so you're okay if

40:10we asked to change the motion

40:13>> Mhm.

40:13>> to just one side?

40:14>> Yeah.

40:15>> Okay. All right.

40:17>> Mr. Chair, I'd like to change my motion

40:19to where we have

40:21restricted parking on the west side of

40:23McKinley and open parking on the east

40:25side.

40:26>> Okay. That's a

40:27a modified

40:29motion by Commissioner Hale,

40:30Commissioner Littlefield.

40:31>> I second the motor the modifications.

40:34>> Okay. Counselor, are we okay with this?

40:37>> Yes.

40:38>> All right. Thank you, ma'am.

40:40Okay. Any other talk on this item?

40:43Okay. We have a motion to approve no

40:47parking anytime on the west side of

40:51South McKinley Avenue from Southwest

40:5484th to Southwest 89th Street by

40:57Commissioner Hale, seconded by

40:59Commissioner Littlefield.

41:02Okay. We're standing by to update the

41:04computer.

41:13It says waiting.

41:17Sorry? Oh, am I the only one? Yeah.

41:19Okay. Yay.

41:22>> I'm a yay, also.

41:24>> Okay.

41:25>> Yay.

41:26>> Littlefield, everybody else okay?

41:29>> Yep.

41:29>> Oh, there it is.

41:30>> There it is.

41:31>> Okay.

41:32Item has passed.

41:34Uh it is just the the modified. There's

41:36no east side. Okay?

41:39So, it's Item has passed. All seven in

41:41favor. All right. Thank you very much.

41:43And then, staff, you're going to go out

41:44there and look about those entryways to

41:47see if we can help with some signage.

41:48>> We can do that, yeah.

41:49>> Okay.

41:51All right. Thank you very much.

41:53We go on now to item six, comments from

41:56citizens. Anybody have anything else for

41:59us?

42:01Okay. Item seven, reports from the

42:03traffic commissioners and committees.

42:05Commissioner Littlefield.

42:06>> Couple quick things.

42:07>> Yes, sir.

42:08>> Um

42:09one priority to Let know now is that

42:11pedestrian crosswalk on Grand Boulevard

42:14between um Western Avenue and Grand

42:18Boulevard.

42:19It's between Nick uh Nichols Hills Plaza

42:23>> on 63rd Street?

42:24>> Mhm.

42:25>> Okay.

42:26>> Dude,

42:27we need to take a look at that and see

42:29if there's a way that we can do some

42:31signage

42:33going

42:34uh going eastbound coming out of the

42:37triangle.

42:39Uh

42:40it's it's referred to as the Classen

42:42Triangle Shopping District. There's a

42:44new restaurant being planned in there,

42:46which is going to probably add to

42:49pedestrian traffic. But that light is

42:52within literally feet of where that

42:55crosswalk is, and people come out of

42:57that

42:58that shopping district, and they just

43:00they don't even see the light.

43:02They don't They don't I don't think they

43:03even know it's there.

43:05So it cuz it's just too quick.

43:08And the second point is when you're

43:10exiting Nichols Hills Plaza

43:12going to the south, if you wanted to

43:15turn west

43:17onto Northwest 63rd, it's pretty much

43:19the same scenario. It's a little bit

43:21more feet distance,

43:23but it's still it's still very unsafe.

43:28If there's something we could do there.

43:31Crosswalk in 10 ft. I you know,

43:34something.

43:36Um my my second comment is

43:39you were absent last month, and we

43:41talked a little bit about some

43:44in particular 90° angle parking where

43:49the side walk you know, there's the

43:50parking space, then there's the curb,

43:52then there's the sidewalk, and there's

43:54ADA spaces perhaps on both ends. There

43:56was an application for that.

43:58And many different sizes and types of

44:01vehicles can pull head-on or back in and

44:05block the majority of that sidewalk.

44:07And so we talked with the applicant

44:10about willing to be willing to volunteer

44:12to use park stops.

44:14And and he appeared to be. We weren't

44:17certainly forcing him to.

44:19But we kind of talked around the

44:22horseshoe a little bit about maybe in a

44:24month or two

44:25sitting down and talking about these

44:27kinds of

44:29parking challenges for the physically

44:30disabled

44:32and see if we can come up with something

44:34to present to whoever.

44:36Justin might be aware. Uh I can't

44:39imagine that he wouldn't be. That the

44:42the planning department is re-looking at

44:45all the parking standards for

44:48redevelopments and new developments,

44:50correct?

44:51And it might be a really good

44:52opportunity if we're not too late to

44:55shoot some ideas at them.

44:57So, you know, kind of a

45:02what's the you know, a cooperation might

45:05help the help the city and the citizens

45:07a lot with that. Either the Oh, and the

45:10one final thing. I saw one of the uh the

45:14uh bike lane street sweepers a month or

45:17Oh, I want one.

45:19Oh, they're so cool.

45:22I could go right in the front door and

45:24come right out the back door.

45:26But yeah, it was really cool to see

45:28that.

45:29So, that's it. Thank you.

45:32>> All right, we go to Commissioner Carnes.

45:34>> I'll have everything.

45:35>> Commissioner Hale.

45:38>> Uh Commissioner Littlefield brings up a

45:39really interesting point. So, many uh

45:42the times if we had had some input

45:45prior to the construction or the remodel

45:49uh it might be able to uh

45:51facilitate some better traffic

45:54situations. For example, what we had

45:56today with the school.

45:58Uh so, many of the schools that I see

46:00that have been built recently are on

46:02major thoroughfares and they have no

46:05game plan for dropping or or picking up

46:08kids. I've seen traffic backed up on

46:10Southwestern, on Southwest 139th,

46:13Southwest 119th. And it's it's really a

46:17problem because it basically close

46:19closes one lane of traffic

46:21for these kids. We have become commuter

46:24schools instead of walking to schools.

46:26So, uh it's really

46:28I

46:29I would like to see us be more proactive

46:31in getting with some of these

46:33developments.

46:37>> Commissioner, I can tell you that um

46:39we do to the to the best of our ability

46:42work with uh school districts when they

46:44make applications for new schools

46:46uh to help them develop traffic

46:48circulation plans. Uh there are some

46:50uh relatively new schools built on West

46:53Memorial Road by the Piedmont school

46:55district and we worked with them because

46:57they had a

46:58they had a pickup plan which brought in

47:00parents for certain grades from the east

47:02and parents for other grades from the

47:04west

47:05just in order to be able to um

47:07be able to maintain at least a lane of

47:09traffic on that road when

47:11and uh to try and minimize the amount of

47:13queuing that spills back out onto the

47:15road. So, we try to get them as much as

47:18possible to queue up and find means of

47:20storing vehicles on the school's

47:22property as opposed to on the public

47:24right-of-way.

47:26There There are certain applications

47:27where you can do it and other ones where

47:28the school property just is not large

47:30enough to accommodate it. And if you're

47:32on like a two-lane section lane road,

47:35that'll be that'll be a problem that

47:36will exist until um

47:38the unless the until the redway gets

47:40widened. You'll still have spillback

47:43onto the street. However, you still have

47:45a free and open travel lane next to it.

47:48But it is a challenge.

47:51>> I was going to make almost the same

47:52point.

47:53>> Well, I think if I we could have your

47:54name and your address and where you

47:56work?

47:57>> Uh Justin Henry, uh 420 Westmain,

47:59Oklahoma City. Uh and

48:02my position is transportation program

48:04planner.

48:05Uh I was just going to make almost the

48:06same point that Stewart made. We One of

48:08the other sections in addition to

48:09parking that we're revising is the

48:10access and circulation. And we're

48:12talking about including a requirement

48:14for schools to submit essentially like

48:16queuing space for onsite as like an

48:18additional section to kind of help

48:19mitigate some of that.

48:21Thanks.

48:22>> Thank you.

48:23All right, we're good.

48:25Go to Commissioner Wynn.

48:26>> Nothing.

48:27>> Commissioner George.

48:28>> No, nothing for me either.

48:29>> Commissioner Courtney.

48:30>> I'm all good. Thank you.

48:31>> [laughter]

48:34[snorts]

48:34>> All right. Captain, do we have anything?

48:36>> No, not today.

48:37>> All right, thank you. Counselor,

48:38anything else?

48:39>> No, nothing.

48:40>> All right. Staff, anything else?

48:42>> I have nothing further to add today.

48:44>> Okay, anybody have anything else for the

48:45Traffic Commission?

48:47Well, then we would I would not hit the

48:51Or or it'll hit you instead of

48:53>> [laughter]

48:54>> I'm still curious about uh

48:56Commissioner's Hale's inquiry a couple

48:57of months ago about any feedback from

49:00the driver feedback devices from the

49:02applicants.

49:03Their their effectiveness. Are we

49:06are we anywhere on that or

49:08>> We're working at putting together

49:10something we can send out to get some

49:11feedback.

49:12>> Thank

49:13Okay, anybody else have anything for the

49:15Traffic Commission?

49:16>> I will just weigh in on because I know I

49:19know I know I know.

49:20Um but

49:22because my house is along one of those

49:24driver feedback signs on on Western um

49:29I will say as soon as people see the

49:31flashing light for the feedback sign,

49:34you see the brake lights immediately.

49:36There are probably three or four that'll

49:38slip through as I'm trying to pull out

49:39that'll just go 60 miles an hour because

49:41they're idiots, but for the most part,

49:43most people see the sign and will

49:45actually throw up their

49:47their brakes. So, I it's been really

49:50effective where we live. Yep.

49:53Thank you.

49:54>> Good to be back.

49:56>> [laughter]

49:57>> All right.

49:59Anybody else now have anything for the

50:01Traffic Commission? All right, we're

50:03adjourned.