2026-08-24 - Multi-Generational Community Center Information Session

00:07Um, thanks all for coming. Um, if you

00:09didn't get a root beer float, I know

00:10Kendra is still scooping, so um, those

00:12are on their way. U, my name is Christy

00:15Williams. I'm the town manager. Um,

00:17thank you for coming to this our first

00:19sort of time back uh, to talk about the

00:21community center. I'm just going to give

00:23a brief kind of update of where we're

00:25at. Um, the community center, as

00:29probably most of you know, was discussed

00:31a couple of years ago. Um, ultimately

00:34was put on pause uh in favor of the

00:36library temporarily located in the lower

00:39level of that building. Hopefully,

00:41you've had an opportunity to go look at

00:43the work that they've done there. It

00:44looks great. Um, but they are moving

00:47back into uh their West Main Street

00:49location uh the be the end of September,

00:52beginning of October. Um, so that

00:55project is almost complete the time.

00:57>> It'll be probably the middle of November

00:58before the fully end.

01:00>> Okay. Middle of November before they're

01:01fully in. So this fall. Um, [snorts] so

01:05we so the board has decided to talk

01:07about the community center project

01:08again. Uh, kind of pick up where we left

01:10off. And ultimately um what they have

01:14last voted to do is to ask the design

01:17team so our architect our owners project

01:19manager and the staff that's been

01:21working on it um to get to a point where

01:24the design for the entire first floor is

01:27completed. So it's a little bit

01:28different than what sort of where we

01:30left off. Where we left off was phase

01:32one was just going to be the front part

01:34of that lower level. Um and but now

01:37we're looking at the entire lower level

01:39and we're also considering the pool

01:42which is on the second floor. Um we have

01:46this is the first public community

01:48engagement session. We've been at the

01:49farmers market a few different weeks to

01:52also talk to folks and then we have two

01:54more sessions. One on September 14th and

01:57one on September 24th I believe. Um, so

02:01these are our three opportunities to

02:02meet with the public again, remind

02:04everybody where we are in design, get

02:06some additional feedback. Um, and then

02:09at the end of this calendar year, we'll

02:11get cost estimates from the design team

02:13based on what we put forward and make

02:15and the board uh, select board with the

02:18municipal building committee will make

02:19some decisions about how we go out to

02:21bid. Um, we go out to bid, we'll go out

02:23to bid around the first of the year. Um,

02:25and that doesn't commit us, but it will

02:27give us a real number for the March town

02:30meeting. Um, so that when we come back

02:32to you in March, the number that we put

02:34forward is the number that we can sign a

02:36contract for. Um, so today again, we're

02:39going to talk about that senior center

02:41portion in the front, um, the veteran

02:44space in the back, and then also that

02:46larger community room um, that we've

02:48talked about in the past. Um, so, uh,

02:51with that, unless anyone has any

02:52questions about just sort of the

02:54timeline, um, I can introduce our

02:57architect.

02:58>> Okay. Thank you, Joel.

03:03>> Hi, I'm Joel Barkman, BHA. Um, a lot of

03:08what you've seen this afternoon you may

03:10have seen, but I'm going to sort of

03:11explain more about the different

03:15components and how those will be

03:16estimated so that the board can figure

03:19out how we put it out to bid long term.

03:22So you see a lot of little pieces

03:26and um

03:29because we developing more on the back

03:32side of the building that multi-purpose

03:34space that started out being expansion

03:37for seniors having larger groups than

03:40our 3,000 foot multi-purpose room would

03:43have. There are some other opportunities

03:45for the use of that space. Um, we're

03:47anxious to get some feedback today on

03:49what you all think about that space.

03:53We've also, um, hired some special

03:56consultants to help guide that for

03:59lighting and sound and and really

04:01[snorts] make that multi-purpose room

04:03very successful. So, uh, anxious to get

04:07some feedback on that part of the

04:09project.

04:11So, let me start with the senior center

04:13plans. As Christie mentioned, the senior

04:15center is that front portion of the

04:16building. As you drive in the parking

04:18lot, the entire front of the building

04:21from left to right is the senior center.

04:25So you you would drive in the parking

04:27lot facing this build, this end of the

04:29building that that there is the existing

04:32entry to what was the department store.

04:36And this is the entry to [clears throat]

04:38the Boston Sports Club.

04:41And it's such a

04:44fortunate

04:46comp uh two spaces because this gives

04:50you access to that upstairs that has the

04:53pool. Renovating the pool will be part

04:55of this program, but all of the senior

04:59centers that are working on now have

05:01really expanded their fitness

05:04programming. Some most of them include a

05:07gym and you have that built into this

05:09plan. So it's really sort of a

05:11fortuitous thing. Um so the entry to the

05:15second floor, entry to the first floor,

05:18and as Christie mentioned, they may be

05:20in the future an internal connection. So

05:23you could go from the senior center

05:25easily to the second floor without

05:27having to go outside.

05:29So what's in color is the base of the

05:34senior center.

05:37you you come in the front door, there's

05:39a a reception desk here. That

05:42receptionist can look down hallway, look

05:45to the multi-purpose room, look to the

05:47lamp, really control the circulation and

05:49and make sure that folks on the floor

05:52are getting what they need to do and

05:54everybody's fine. Behind the reception

05:57desk is the offices for the

06:01administrative staff of the senior

06:03center.

06:06Also in green on the other side here of

06:08this hallway is u some offices for the

06:14health department

06:16uh pool service some other sort of

06:19support but they're not part of the

06:21senior uh administrative wing.

06:25This little dash line if you can all see

06:27it means that you could close this side

06:30off. So, let's say at night you don't

06:33want everybody coming into the senior

06:35center side of the building, but they

06:37might want to use the multi-purpose

06:38room. We can close this off. During the

06:42day, you won't see it. It'll be a drop

06:44down gate that comes out of the ceiling

06:46or a sliding door that goes across.

06:49It'll be very open. It won't feel like

06:50there's a door or a gate that it gives

06:54you that

06:56security that people talked a lot about

06:58at the last go around that um these are

07:01senior spaces and at night we want to

07:03keep that separate. So with that being

07:06said, if you came in and you wanted to

07:07go to a program, you might check in my

07:11senior center the where you sign your

07:14computer and your card is located here.

07:17You can talk to the someone at the

07:18reception desk. And then right here,

07:21directly opposite the entry, is a nice

07:24big screen that has today's activities

07:28and where you go for those activities.

07:31You'd either go up to the multi-purpose

07:33room where you might have a Zumba book

07:35class or a lunchon or a movie or a

07:38lecture.

07:40You might go to the lounge, have a cup

07:43of coffee, serve from the kitchen, which

07:46is here.

07:47Or you might say, I'm going to go to a

07:50program space. At which point you go

07:52down the hallway and you have program

07:54one, program two,

07:59game room. This is sort of shown as a

08:02maj uh room and then a pool table card

08:08activity room. So there's two game rooms

08:11connected by a a double door. So if you

08:15have a a more a large crowd for a majong

08:19or poker or whatever they might be

08:22playing, you could actually combine the

08:24two rooms to to one for an event and you

08:27can close it off so you can have a loud

08:30pool table. When you crack the pool

08:32balls on the break, it makes some noise.

08:34So you might really prefer having those

08:37separated.

08:39These multi-purpose rooms are about a

08:41thousand square feet each, which is

08:43really a good size for a community

08:47the size of Westboro. Sometimes we make

08:49them 750 ft, but that's maybe a

08:52community of five or 7,000 folks. Um,

08:57this we're anticipating larger groups

08:59coming in there. They're very flexible

09:01rooms. They can be set up with tables.

09:04They can be set up without tables and

09:06chairs. So you could have a activity in

09:09there. Um you'll notice um they're

09:13really sort of uh they're not fitness

09:16activity rooms because upstairs you have

09:19all sorts of fitness activity spaces. So

09:22we really don't want to duplicate that

09:24on this level.

09:29Here you have a couple small conference

09:31rooms. Um, and as you go as you come

09:36into the building down here, you have

09:39access to individual

09:41single-user restrooms,

09:44accessible restrooms for someone that

09:47may have a

09:49physical disability. And then we have a

09:52larger restroom on either side. So,

09:54there are a good number of restrooms.

09:57The reason, Dean, is that you have a

09:593,000 foot multi-purpose room at the

10:02top. So, if there's an event

10:06that gets out all at once and you have

10:08150 people coming out there, uh there's

10:11plenty of facilities in the building

10:13that you don't have to be lining up like

10:16a movie theater or other place.

10:21The purple space is a commercial

10:24kitchen. So, it's a full kitchen with

10:26range hoods. You can cook a meal for 125

10:31folks in there. It's been designed by a

10:33professional

10:35kitchen design company.

10:38It's serving out this window. can serve

10:43snacks, ice cream, whatever you want for

10:47folks that might be in the lounge coming

10:49in for a cup of coffee in the morning,

10:51maybe having a cup of coffee before they

10:53go to a program.

10:55It also serves at the top here into the

10:59multi-purpose room. So you can have a

11:00lunch either go by the window and get

11:03your tray and table uh plate filled up

11:06or lots of centers use volunteers to

11:10bring the food out from the kitchen into

11:13the multi-purpose room. You would do

11:15that by actually coming out the

11:20out the back of the kitchen and into the

11:22corner of the multi-purpose room. What

11:25that does is it eliminates openings

11:28between the kitchen and the room, which

11:31the clanging of pots and pans is

11:33something that we really struggle to get

11:35rid of. So, you can close this

11:38soundproof curtain and still bring food

11:41and and beverages into the multi-purpose

11:43room, but if you've been to some senior

11:46centers, you you've probably seen that

11:47as a problem. What's really nice about

11:51the building, too, is that there's this

11:53back entry that's served by the back

11:56parking lot of the building. So, all the

12:00trash from the kitchen, all the

12:02deliveries to the kitchen can come in

12:04this back door into here without

12:07disturbing anybody in the building. And

12:11you don't have any dirt or any grime or

12:14spills from the stuff coming in and out

12:16of the building. And what's really

12:20helpful is if Cisco wants to deliver at

12:22six in the morning and the building's

12:23not open and it's less expensive for

12:26them to do that because they don't have

12:27to fight traffic. That's a secure

12:31passageway that can be locked off at

12:33night and Cisco can leave wherever they

12:36need milk, all the deliveries, and then

12:38the staff when they arrive at at 8 or

12:40whatever time they do, they can bring it

12:42in. So, it's just fortuitous the way the

12:45building laid out, but um we were able

12:47to take advantage of that. Then the pink

12:50area on the top is the multi-purpose

12:51room, which is I think as I recall this

12:55is about 22 2,300 ft. That's now 3,000

12:59square ft. It's divided in half in the

13:03middle.

13:06We've I have some seating arrangements,

13:08but it easily seats 125 plus in tables

13:12and chairs for lunches. Tables and

13:15chairs like this would be 150. If you

13:17just did chairs, it's about 175.

13:23So you come down, you have the program

13:26space. I mentioned there's two program

13:28rooms.

13:29When we initially programmed the

13:32building and and the space for the

13:35seniors, we thought it would be great

13:38given the number of programs and the

13:41diversity of programs to have two

13:44additional program rooms. These are

13:47smaller

13:50and and I I'll show you a picture of

13:52them, but the the senior center would

13:54literally just grow here and absorb

13:57those two rooms. And that's one of the

13:59options that we're putting a price on so

14:01the select board can decide, you know,

14:04should that be in with this or do we

14:06want to bid that as an alternate but you

14:09have the two program rooms potential for

14:12two more. Um and then that would be

14:15really the end of the senior center.

14:19Okay. So let me just walk you through

14:21what a few of those spaces look like.

14:24Here you're coming and I've mentioned

14:25you. My blue shirt,

14:28the front desk,

14:31my senior center, and then the directory

14:33of today's activities. And what's great

14:36is where that man is standing, you can

14:38see which way to go. And then the

14:41restrooms, you don't see the restrooms

14:43here. They're just around the corner and

14:45into that space.

14:47And then that door to the left, my left

14:51here is [snorts]

14:53the lounge. So this person really can

14:56control

14:58visually and and u sort of see what's

15:00happening throughout the space.

15:05Okay. Now that is the reception desk.

15:08You come into the building and now we're

15:10in that hallway that I showed you.

15:12There's a multi-purpose room and at the

15:14other end is the way to the program

15:16spaces. So again, it's wide open. You

15:19don't have any issue if there's someone

15:21in a wheelchair or a walker or canes.

15:24There's plenty of space. And we wanted

15:26to have enough space here so that when

15:28there is a group of 150 folks in that

15:32room and you you're maybe waiting to get

15:34into that there's a lobby space

15:38congregational space and an opportunity

15:41to get a cup of coffee here and

15:46so there it shows the food the little

15:48food service area going to the

15:51multi-purpose room and then the lounge

15:54on the side.

15:56That's looking into the lounge. That's

15:58in the lounge. So, it has a electric

16:00fireplace. It's very green. Doesn't not

16:03really creating off gases or or carbon

16:07from a gas fired fireplace, but

16:15all right. This is the multi-purpose

16:17room. Those are the two doors that go

16:21out to the lobby space. Here's the track

16:25for the door that comes out of the

16:27ceiling and down. They're super quiet.

16:32They're very easy to operate. You don't

16:33have to have people go in and slide the

16:35door across. They're acoustically

16:37superior and they're hit by a button on

16:41the wall. So, any staff person or

16:44volunteer can come in and raise or lower

16:47the door easily and you'll have complete

16:49privacy between the two rooms.

16:53That's the serving counter. That's the

16:55door that servers could go out and back

17:00into the kitchen.

17:03That's the store room. projection is at

17:06both ends of the room. So that's looking

17:09the other end. The other end has the

17:10windows that look out to the um

17:14street. We we could put a screen in

17:17front of the window. We typically

17:19haven't had great success with that

17:20because bright light coming in the

17:22afternoons there. So in this end of the

17:26building, we have a lot of video

17:28monitors. Um, but that's something that

17:30we could we're looking at with our

17:32audiovisisual consultant. But again,

17:35that that divider 1500 square feet on

17:38either side of of that wall.

17:43This is the um the loud game room. So,

17:47you're looking at two pool tables, um

17:50other poker tables, places to sit, watch

17:54what's going on. It's designed that you

17:56could have tournaments. So, if you want

17:58to have a tournament against Reading or

18:01Marboro or some other community that has

18:03the light uh thing that happens quite

18:06frequently and it's nice to have these

18:09chairs and tables around the room, but

18:11the idea is that a lot of people might

18:13use that room for different purposes if

18:15there isn't a pool game going on. And

18:18then this is the Majam room. Um, could

18:22be used for other games. And then that

18:25door there connects there into the room.

18:30So you can combine the two rooms if you

18:32want. Um I know that the the suggestion

18:36of this came from Westpear, but since

18:40the two years we've been working on

18:41this, it's now in every building. People

18:43are really uh loving that game.

18:48So we call them alternates. there the

18:52options to consider that that's the

18:54basis of the building and that's what

18:56was going to go to bid um two years ago

18:59when we paused

19:02I'm not sure the order that the

19:04alternates would go in I'll show the

19:05alternates that we're presenting them

19:07we'll be presenting this to the selectin

19:10select board rather with uh pricing and

19:13then they'll decide how we go to bid on

19:15it but the first one is to put an

19:18elevator and a stair that would allow

19:20you to comm communicate directly from

19:22the senior center up to the

19:26recreation offices upstairs. So, you

19:29don't have to go outdoors and and use a

19:31stair.

19:33That also creates a little bit larger

19:36lobby for you at the end of that hallway

19:39so that when you have people in groups

19:42going up, let's say there's a Zumba

19:44activity upstairs and you have 20 or 30

19:47seniors wanting to go up, there's enough

19:49space now to congregate and have a nice

19:53accent wall at the end of that quarter.

19:56So that's option one

20:01and that's showing it coming up on the

20:03second floor. It comes in the middle of

20:04the second floor. Here's the gym.

20:08There's exercise program rooms.

20:11Here's the pool. And here's the admin

20:14offices. So it's in a nice central

20:16location. This is the open flexible

20:20space that you see that is to be

20:22determined.

20:27It it could be that this is the first

20:30alternate and the stair is the second

20:32for purposes of today. The second one is

20:35the po the two additional rooms that I

20:37mentioned. So that's the rooms that

20:39added on and then ultimately they would

20:43connect to the the bigger um the bigger

20:46program in the back. So two 750 foot

20:50program rooms.

20:53Okay. Then the next thing is before we

20:57can really make the back space usable,

21:00we have to create an accessible path

21:04into the building. So currently it's a

21:06service entry. We've been putting a ramp

21:09up the back so that if someone's in a

21:11wheelchair, they can come up this way,

21:16come in and then use the back space. Of

21:18course, they can come in the front door

21:21here and also get to this space. So,

21:23there's two points of accessibility.

21:26The reason that we're putting this on

21:27the back is that if

21:30if the rear space here is used for

21:32something when the senior center is not

21:34open, let's say it's a polling station

21:37or it's

21:40open game space for kids one evening,

21:44you'll have your own separate entry and

21:46you don't have to worry about anybody

21:48going through the the main building.

21:57Okay. So, that was making the back

21:59accessible.

22:00We want to put a generator onto the

22:03building. And and this may not even end

22:06up being a generator. There are grants

22:08available for some of these things. And

22:11this is something that we had talked to

22:13the fire department about. uh they're

22:16the ones that can get the grants for

22:18these generators because it allows the

22:20space to be used in a emergency climate

22:23event, storm,

22:26power outage, that kind of thing. So,

22:28there's a a major size generator on the

22:31back side of the building. Um,

22:36this is the big one and this would be

22:38really fantastic if it gets implemented.

22:42Once we build the rear entry in here, we

22:46can fix up the bathrooms and then fix up

22:49this central space. We started it with

22:52chairs and tables because when two years

22:54ago we were here, we kept hearing that

22:57the size of the multi-purpose room is

23:00the most important element because we

23:03have an existing building.

23:06The size of the multi-purpose room in

23:09the senior center is the size that the

23:12department store layout allowed us to

23:14have. It's still a big space. It's in

23:17fact the largest. It's as large as the

23:20multi-purpose room we have at the Newton

23:22Senior Center. And Newton serves 80,000

23:26residents. So, I think for dayto-day,

23:29we're very comfortable in that size. But

23:31when you have a peak event now, you can

23:34have 5,000 I mean around about 5,300

23:37square foot. So, it's almost twice the

23:41size of that. And you can see you can

23:43get a lot of tables with eight seats

23:45around it and really have a

23:49great Thanksgiving or uh Valentine's

23:52Day, any kind of event, St. Patrick's

23:55Day, all those big events that happen uh

23:58in senior centers. So, this is set up

24:01and what you'd literally do is come down

24:03the hallway for the senior center and

24:06then be able to get in into this

24:08directly.

24:11This connects to your kitchen through

24:14that service corner and they come in.

24:17So, not only does that service corner

24:19allow service from the outside to the

24:21kitchen, it allows the kitchen to serve

24:24this space as well.

24:32This is just the entry that goes out to

24:35the back side of the building. There's

24:37ample parking on the back. So if you are

24:40coming for an evening event, you don't

24:42have to park in the front. Come around

24:43the back. There's parking in the rear.

24:45That doorway on the far side brings you

24:48to that ramp or the stair. And then

24:50there would be a small reception desk.

24:53You pick up your tickets for the events

24:54or or whatever.

24:58And this then just is a demonstration of

25:01of how the the space could be used. That

25:05is what I showed you initially.

25:09What's shown here on the left is a

25:12multi-purpose

25:14theater type space. It can be set up

25:17with theater seating and a stage in the

25:21middle. It can be set up with theater

25:23seating stage on the end. The stage is

25:26movable, flexible, and gets stored in

25:30this room here behind the bleachers.

25:33That allows the space to be very useful.

25:38because you might want to just have it

25:40be a big open room. And in fact, if it

25:43was a big open room,

25:45not saying you have to do it, but they

25:47put it's in scale. That's pickle ball,

25:51pickle ball, and either half court

25:53basketball or you could set up three

25:55temporary pickle ball courses in that

25:58room for some sort of tournament or

26:01event. We can set up ping pong tables.

26:04Andover Senior Center has a program with

26:06the youth center. They set that up and

26:09have pingpong tournaments. It can be set

26:12up for polling station. So, it's

26:15important for us to have a room that's

26:17just pink that doesn't have anything in

26:19it because that's really flexible. And

26:21then the issue is how do I design it so

26:24I can store all these chairs and tables?

26:27We have a lot of storage rooms.

26:30three or these are collapsible bleachers

26:35that sit in this little partition there

26:38so it's out of the way that the

26:40bleachers are here in every scheme. So

26:43it's really a pretty cool opportunity

26:47and the ceiling height in this space is

26:5020 ft. It's twice this high

26:54one and 1.75 is 12 ft. Um, so it's

26:58really nice high ceiling. You really

27:01wonderful space. But here's here it's

27:03set up with a precenium stage, seating

27:07on the edge around that stage can be

27:10moved into the middle on the floor for a

27:13blackbox theater type event. That's that

27:16room with 150 plus chairs in it. There

27:20you can see where the stage might go if

27:22the stage went in.

27:24And that's it. just set up for waiting

27:27to get pulling or

27:30take pickle ball down on the floor,

27:33which we do a lot of that in the gym. I

27:35mean, it's not it's not great to we

27:37could paint it on, but I think in this

27:39kind of a space, you probably want to

27:41put it down temporarily.

27:45So, that's the overview. There's the

27:47base building. There all these options.

27:50The options aren't there to make you

27:51dizzy. We're trying to be able to give

27:53the select board the opportunity to

27:56really fine-tune what's the right amount

27:59of money that the town should spend or

28:01can spend and then adjust our plans with

28:06enough time um to issue this out for

28:09bid. What we're going to do is we're

28:12planning to have a very active fall. So

28:15the reason all these workshops are in

28:16September is that we want to finish all

28:19the drawings by Christmas time. The

28:23drawings go out to bid right after the

28:25first of the year. And then after the

28:27first of the year uh four weeks after

28:31January 3rd or whatever that date is, we

28:34would be able to get u bids back. And

28:38with hard bids, you know what is going

28:41to need to be funded at town meeting.

28:44The advantage of doing that is you know

28:47exactly what you need to do in terms of

28:50the fun financing. The disadvantage of

28:53this and it's why we need to have enough

28:55time to really think it through is that

28:58you have to decide on the order of the

29:01alternates. So, we know the senior

29:04center is going to be one, but is the

29:06stair number two or is the veterans

29:08office number two or is the two extra

29:12program rooms two? We have to rank them

29:15because when the bids come in, you can

29:17only go one. Okay, I'll accept two, then

29:20you can accept three, but you can't go I

29:22want except one and then four. You have

29:25to do it in the order that you issue

29:28them. So, we really need to think that

29:30through um as we go forward and there'll

29:32be a lot of time to have that discussion

29:35with the community and the select board.

29:37But what we're trying to do now is get

29:39feedback on anything you saw in the

29:42senior center or especially that

29:45multi-purpose room because when we did

29:47this two years ago, we weren't really

29:49focused that much on the multi-purpose

29:51that big multi-purpose room because that

29:53was envisioned to be further out. So, do

29:58you want me to start or do you want to

30:00leave the questions?

30:02>> Yeah, I think if we if you want to we'll

30:04take questions and then also just um

30:07gathering input. So, if you have any

30:08thoughts about any of the stuff

30:10>> I don't do we have another mic by any

30:11chance for the questions.

30:19>> We can set up a wire mic. Is that all

30:20right?

30:21>> Yeah, that's great.

30:22>> Yeah.

30:26Um if you leave this pres we'll put the

30:28presentation up on our website. Um we

30:30have a whole page dedicated to this

30:32project. So if you leave here and you

30:35have some input that you didn't have a

30:37chance to share or you think of

30:38something later um please feel free to

30:40email our office because we're giving

30:42all of this feedback to our design team

30:45um to come out with a new iteration of

30:48>> reminded me to give it to you

30:49>> and I have the presentation right here.

30:51Um so so this is not your last

30:53opportunity. This is really just the

30:54first opportunity to to come back and

30:56look at this.

30:59>> Do you for now? Do you want me to just

31:02get started?

31:03>> Yeah.

31:05>> Who had a question or feedback? We'll

31:07start the front.

31:12>> Just just a quick question. I noticed on

31:15the aerial view you have the ramp and

31:17stuff in the back. It didn't seem like

31:19there was any parking spots. And it also

31:21looked like there's a road that goes

31:23there, too. Is there How does that work?

31:28>> This is all parking here.

31:30>> Comes around the side and then that's

31:33all all parking.

31:34>> One of the one of the slides

31:37with a different aerial view. It looked

31:40like

31:43it looked like the

31:50Well, that's the outside view.

31:52>> So, here's parking. Somehow, this didn't

31:54come up last time. That's the ramp.

31:57That's your entry door. There's a lot of

31:59parking here in the back of the

32:01building.

32:01>> Could you go to the next side, please?

32:05>> See, that's where I was. It didn't look

32:07like there's a lot of Oh, okay. I

32:10thought the red area was where they came

32:12in.

32:12>> No, no, that's that's the emergency

32:14generator. So no one sees [snorts] it or

32:16hears it.

32:17>> But you have all this to the door and

32:19that.

32:19>> Yeah.

32:20>> Yep. Yep. Yep. Very good.

32:22>> Thank you.

32:22>> Great. Thank you. That's a good

32:23question.

32:26>> Okay. Thank you.

32:33[clears throat]

32:34>> It would seem that designing the kitchen

32:37to support both spaces would be

32:39difficult. Are you going to design the

32:40kitchen to only support the senior

32:42center or are you going to try and

32:43support both with an expandable kitchen?

32:46>> Thank you.

32:47>> The kitchen's being designed to support

32:49both spaces.

32:52>> Looks a little small.

32:54>> Well, we we have a professional uh

32:59Coburn Goyette's the preeminent kitchen

33:02designer around here. So, they're

33:03they're taking care of that.

33:08Typically, when I have a kitchen just

33:10supporting a multi-purpose room, it's

33:12around 650 square feet for the kitchen.

33:15This is 850 square ft.

33:19>> If they both have a function on the same

33:21night,

33:22>> oh, they wouldn't both have function.

33:24Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry. Good point.

33:26>> Yeah. If they both have a function, it's

33:27small, but they can probably support the

33:29bigger one.

33:31>> Good. Thank you.

33:34>> In regard to the senior center offices.

33:38How are they secure? If you're having a

33:41three or 4 hundred people event

33:43somewhere, is there do you close it off

33:46somehow?

33:47>> There's that

33:48>> the senior set of offices are they

33:50>> Yeah, that was a question that came up

33:52in one of the um farmers markets. So,

33:56we've added a drop down gate much like

33:59you would see at a shopping mall where

34:01they close the stores off at night. So

34:04that completely closes that it's but you

34:07can see through it for security. There's

34:09a door here so if anybody's working in

34:12there at night they can get in and out

34:14but the visitors that might be going up

34:16above cannot get into the senior

34:18offices.

34:19>> Okay.

34:26Um, I'd just like to address a question

34:30um about one of the ultimates,

34:32the alternates, the stair, the elevator

34:36um combination that you were talking

34:39about. And um quite frankly, I don't see

34:44any need for either of them. I think it

34:47would be quite expensive.

34:49Everybody's been able to get up to the

34:53upper floor, okay, using the present um

34:58accommodations.

35:00And I don't think that's something that

35:04we should be spending money on. I see

35:06someone checking their head no. And I

35:10use a cane. I could get up those stairs

35:12to get to the to the top floor if I

35:16wanted to go up there.

35:22have a lot of people roaming around,

35:27>> but you have to have one.

35:30>> I'll just say that that's that is some

35:32feedback that we heard on the first one

35:34was the concern about having two

35:36elevators, having the interior access in

35:39weather, even if it's raining, um, to be

35:41able to be at the senior center and and

35:44come up. But I think to your point, you

35:45know, I think we understand that there's

35:47there's certainly a cost to it.

35:48>> Uh, do we need both elevator and stair

35:52because the stair will allow a lot of

35:55upstairs noise to come down into the

35:57senior center area?

35:59>> There's a there's a vestibule around

36:02that on the top top floor so that the

36:04noise from the second floor doesn't come

36:06down. So, here's a door and you enter

36:11that and use the stair. It's a good

36:14point. It's a point that was raised the

36:16last time we got through this and we

36:18made that noise separation. Um,

36:22I understand what you're saying. And I I

36:24can only speak from experience in that

36:27the trend on these senior centers today

36:29is to make them very active and really

36:33accommodate as many

36:36fitness and basketball and pickle ball

36:39and whatever can be done up in the room

36:41upstairs and the swimming. And

36:44having that direct connection is

36:46something that if you designed the

36:47building from scratch, you would you

36:49would want to do it. And if you came out

36:51the front door, yes, you can get to

36:53here. But if it's a rainy or sleety or

36:57snowy

36:59day, and that's really the day you want

37:01to use the gym because you can't walk

37:03outside. We thought it's good to at

37:06least offer the option to have a stair

37:08and let the community decide if they

37:10want.

37:10>> But there would be the option to have

37:12either the stair or the elevator.

37:14>> You could have the elevator and not have

37:16a stair, but you couldn't have the stair

37:18and not have an elevator. That would

37:20answer that question.

37:23>> Yeah.

37:23>> Wouldn't the stairs be necessary if the

37:26elevator [clears throat]

37:26doesn't work?

37:27>> That was the idea. Plus, there are

37:29certain people that

37:32>> don't want to use the elevator because

37:33you get more steps using the stairs.

37:37>> Um, has any provision been made for the

37:40coke room for people's coats and hats

37:42when you're having an event?

37:46>> Coke rooms are controversial, oddly

37:48enough. We do have a coat room right

37:50here.

37:51We could have another door there. So, if

37:54this senior center is closed off,

37:58>> they could use the coats for the

37:59multi-purpose room at night. What we

38:02have found

38:04has a coat room like that. They don't

38:06have it anymore. They're using it for

38:08another space. People don't want to put

38:10their coats generally in a coat room and

38:13then they just take them right in the

38:15room and put them on their

38:17chair. So, we have it in the plan. Um,

38:20you can always get rid of it, but you

38:22know, we have it because people ask, but

38:25my experience has been we don't get used

38:28to.

38:32>> Yeah, this is a question for you,

38:33Christie. At the introduction to the

38:35presentation here, you mentioned

38:36something about how the pool is going to

38:38be coupled with this as part of proposal

38:41for funding at town meeting. Is that

38:43true? And is that a requirement? What

38:45was the question?

38:47So, the board was looking at u getting

38:50more information about the entire first

38:52floor as well as the pool. Um, but that

38:55will be all part of the discussion of

38:57what they're interested in putting up to

38:58bid once they receive the cost

39:00estimates.

39:07>> Instead of um putting in a new elevator,

39:10why not make the existing elevator

39:13uh accessible from the first floor?

39:16Uh we we spent a lot of time on that.

39:19This elevator is 3 feet lower. This

39:23whole floor down here is 3 foot lower

39:27than the rest of than the entry of the

39:30building. So there's a foundation wall

39:31here. And you would have to literally

39:35come through this space.

39:37This room would get much smaller.

39:40You would have to come through to here,

39:43then get a either a chair lift or a ramp

39:46in order to get to this elevator. So,

39:49>> I think a ramp would be more than

39:50available.

39:52It's not that 3 ft isn't that much.

39:55>> Uh 3T's you can only go 1 foot and 12

39:58ft. So, it's and then every 24 ft you

40:01need a 5ft landing. So, it gets to be

40:04over 30 some feet long on the ramp. But

40:06it's not you you space is expensive. So

40:10putting the ramp in means that we lose

40:14quite a bit of room out of this this

40:16space and there's not really a lot

40:20of lobby space in what was the Boston

40:23Sports Club entry. So the ramp was

40:26actually in head when we did it.

40:31It's you're you're you're really sort of

40:34losing most of that space functionally

40:37and

40:39>> ramping.

40:40>> Pardon me.

40:45>> You don't you don't have enough space to

40:46put the ramp in here.

40:49>> Yeah.

40:51>> But then you have to cut this foundation

40:52wall down. You have to you're taking out

40:56all of this space here and then you have

40:58[clears throat] to get to the ramp by

41:00coming in here. So now you cut that room

41:02in half functionally. If you think about

41:04the cost of the room,

41:07>> that's sort of a lot to give up. We we

41:10could do it. We had it in after pricing

41:13it in phase one and exploring if we

41:17This is a 30-y old elevator. It's a

41:21hydraulic elevator. It's gonna I I

41:26wouldn't want to put all my eggs in that

41:27basket. You'd want to be able to have

41:30your At some point it's going to be

41:32renovated and brought up to to um code.

41:36That might be 10 years from now, but um

41:39I don't think you want to put all that

41:40use on an old elevator like that.

41:45>> Thank you. Um overall, I think the

41:48design has been really well thought out.

41:50I really liked it. Um it was exciting to

41:53see this all explained. Um you had asked

41:56us to in looking at the alternatives

42:00um the alternate things and how we would

42:02want to rate them. I would think that

42:04the um the elevator in the center of the

42:08building would be my absolute as you

42:11went through I said that's I think it's

42:13an absolute necessity. uh you want to

42:16make that building as accessible to all

42:18of the people that come into the senior

42:20center so that they can access both the

42:24uh physical fitness rooms upstairs as

42:28well as the downstairs area. I think

42:31personally it's really cheesy to have to

42:33come in to the senior center, check in

42:36for one thing and then have to walk

42:38around the building to this back

42:39entrance. As someone who uses that

42:42elevator four times a week right now to

42:44go to fitness classes, that elevator,

42:47it's like an old freight elevator is

42:49what it feels like when you get into it.

42:51It's frequently running really kind of

42:53creaky. So, I can understand why um you

42:57say it's 30 years old and probably needs

42:59to be updated. I think that center

43:01access is absolutely lovely and I think

43:04that would be if I had to put my two

43:06cents in that would be my alternate

43:09number one that I would pick uh to ask

43:12the town to go to add that on to the

43:15senior center.

43:16>> I agree.

43:18>> Agree.

43:18>> Me too.

43:19>> That's all.

43:24>> I I want to agree with her because if

43:26you're at the on the first floor and

43:29you're joining a game and you decide to

43:31go upstairs for a class. Middle of the

43:34winter, you have to get up, put your

43:36coat on, your boots on, put your scar

43:38scarf on, and then walk away all the way

43:40around and get back on the elevator to

43:42go to the second floor. To me, that

43:44doesn't make any sense. But I have

43:46another question. Maybe I misheard that

43:48the multi-purpose room went from 2200 ft

43:51to 3,000 square ft. [snorts]

43:57Yes,

43:58>> it's uh 1300 on this side and 15 on this

44:02side. So, it's almost 3,000 square feet.

44:05>> But you said originally it was 2200.

44:08>> No, I said most of our Maybe I I may

44:11have misspoken.

44:12>> Okay.

44:16>> Oh, I was talking about this room.

44:18>> Okay. So, our this other room will be

44:23800 square foot Baker.

44:24>> Yeah. and and it's all doesn't have that

44:27al cove in the back. It's one big

44:29rectangle.

44:32>> Okay.

44:33>> You can see there's no no aloves or

44:36niches or columns. It's column free,

44:38too.

44:39>> I just wanted to add my two cents to

44:40your opinion.

44:47>> I I think you've done a great job

44:49putting that together. It's not an easy

44:51feat to do. Uh, I'm not sure about what

44:54I'm going to tell you is the beginning

44:57of the year, I went into that building

44:59to find out where they were doing the

45:01income taxes. And what I did was I can't

45:05go up flights of stairs because of my

45:07breathing. So, I took the elevator up to

45:10the second floor, which was great.

45:12Coming down, I decided to use the stairs

45:15and I counted five sets of steps coming

45:19down one floor. I was I was just in

45:22shock. I said, "Thank God I didn't try

45:23to walk up them." I don't know if that's

45:25the corner that you're talking about,

45:28but um I think that's awful. Five sets

45:30of stairs to come down one floor.

45:39>> Thank you very much for explaining all

45:41of this. I just want to understand the

45:43scope of this. So, right now, this

45:45senior center from what I just read is

45:46about 3,400 square feet. Is that correct

45:51where we're sitting right now?

45:53>> No.

45:53>> How big is it?

45:55>> No, no, this room, but I mean the whole

45:57senior center.

45:59>> It says 3,400. Let's just go with that.

46:01So, this this new one that you're

46:02proposing here because it's half of a

46:0565,000 square foot building is kind of

46:08like 23,000 square feet. So, basically,

46:11you're going to take this entire senior

46:13center, put it in one multi-purpose

46:16room, and then we're going to get all

46:17these other rooms.

46:19>> Well, this is a little bit bigger than

46:21that, but

46:22>> it's amazing.

46:22>> This is about 10,000 square feet for the

46:25senior center. And then this and I I

46:29forgot to really go into the veterans

46:31offices, but we have another department

46:33from the town in the back here, which is

46:36veterans, which has a multi-purpose room

46:39and a couple offices. for for those

46:41folks.

46:42>> I guess what I'm saying is, you know,

46:43we're growing Westboro by a lot of

46:45seniors. We're bringing in 155 plus

46:48community after another and and

46:51essentially the whole first floor of

46:52that building is 10 times the size of

46:55this building

46:57approximately. It is. So, I think that

47:01that's really exciting. So, I just I

47:03want to support the work that you're

47:04doing. I'm not going to tell anybody how

47:06to do their job. I'm sure you'll listen

47:08to everybody and figure out the best

47:09ways to make this um cost effective for

47:11all of us. Thank you.

47:21>> Does the uh scope of this project

47:23include anything exterior to the

47:25building like landscaping, EV charging,

47:29development of the parking spaces and so

47:31forth?

47:32>> Thank you. I I didn't talk about that.

47:34Yes, there's uh the EV spaces we're

47:38anticipating would go in uh under a

47:41separate grant through um ever uh the

47:45power company and the DPW is working on

47:48that. The front of the parking lot needs

47:52to be rearranged a little bit to get

47:55some more

47:57accessible or handicap parking spaces.

48:00The front of the building has a sidewalk

48:03and it's just settled over the years.

48:05So, that's being leveled out. Um,

48:08there's a new entry path being put on up

48:11here to get into the back side of the

48:13building. And then I mentioned the the

48:15outside here. There's also about

48:18$100,000 of brick repointing. the the

48:22building is a brick building and

48:26standard maintenance needs to be caught

48:28up on that. Uh so there's about 100,000

48:31on the outside of the building and then

48:33we have some roof repairs. Um the

48:36mechanical system on this building was

48:40replaced again as part of a program that

48:44was available I think last year and it

48:46was going to expire. So the the basic

48:50mechanical equipment is on the roof

48:52that's been replaced. So we don't really

48:54want to rip off the roof and put a whole

48:56new roof on right now. We're going to

48:58patch and um test the roof and make it

49:02um

49:04watertight in that way.

49:06>> Any any plantings

49:09like trees like that?

49:11>> Um not we haven't we don't have any new

49:14trees in the parking lot at the moment.

49:16No.

49:19I think it's a good comment. We should

49:21take note

49:23of you. Um, I've got a question. I don't

49:25know if it's beyond your expertise or

49:27not, but I believe this building is

49:29built on a slab.

49:32>> This building is. Yes.

49:33>> All right. With the elevator that's

49:35potentially going to be put in the

49:37middle, will they have to get down below

49:38the slab to put the foundation in there

49:41for the uh weight that's going to be

49:43supported?

49:43>> It has to go down 3 and 1/2 ft. And we

49:46have to get a

49:48environmental permit to do that because

49:50of the slab construction and

49:52[clears throat] the unknown nature of

49:53the soils below. But we will be going

49:56down 3 and 1/2 ft.

49:57>> Right. That's one of the things that has

49:59uh impacted us in the past is this whole

50:03project down there common because of the

50:06contamination that was there from Bay

50:08State from years ago.

50:10>> They had to put things on top of it.

50:12They couldn't put any foundations in

50:15with cellers. So, if you're going to get

50:17down below the foundation, there's

50:18certainly a problem that you've got to

50:20be aware of with potential contamination

50:22with soil.

50:24>> The the idea was that the elevator pit

50:28is one continuation of the floor slab.

50:31So, there's no there's no opportunity

50:33for

50:35soil vapor to come through that that

50:37portion. But, it it is a complicated

50:39issue and we do have an environmental

50:42name on the project for that.

50:49>> I just wanted to try to clarify uh for

50:53there the spacing here. It's not 10

50:55times uh bigger. If you look at that

50:58upper space there, that's seven rows.

51:03>> I was in the top multi-purpose. Yeah, I

51:06believe that that topmost multifunction

51:08room has seven rows of three tables

51:11wide, which is what we set up in this

51:14space up to that partition there.

51:16>> Okay,

51:16>> so that part is is actually a little bit

51:19bigger uh maybe 15% bigger and then the

51:23rest of the building uh you know would

51:26cut into the other. It's about two and a

51:28half to three times. Well, but not

51:31really because we have that big empty

51:34space that can be so many things.

51:36>> That's the whole that's not the senior

51:38size.

51:38>> Well, but it could be.

51:40>> Just just to clarify,

51:41>> it could be if we need a big room.

51:45[laughter]

51:47>> I think that's what it's there for is it

51:49could be used by the senior system. That

51:52was the big complaint last time was

51:54where's that big function? What do you

51:56need? That's where that's going.

52:00I have a question about

52:05>> So [snorts] on on that um draw draw out

52:09scheme at night if you were going to

52:12have this auditorium set up with a stage

52:16rather than pickle ball courts going on

52:18in there. How does one access that from

52:21the senior center or does it only access

52:24via the um sports club entrance?

52:30the senior center. We come down here.

52:33There's a door. If we put the elevator

52:36in, you have a lobby here and then that

52:38lobby leads right into these two to the

52:42room.

52:42>> All right. Thank you.

52:56my very first municipal job. I was a kid

52:59running microphones at town meeting.

53:04>> You haven't mentioned anything about the

53:09>> You haven't mentioned anything about the

53:10swimming pool.

53:11>> What condition is it in and will it need

53:13any upgrade over it?

53:19And is that part of the budget?

53:22>> Yes, the phase one was intended to

53:27upgrade the swimming pool and it is in

53:31the budget. We actually had put it out

53:33to bid twice already and we didn't get

53:36any biders because when you're in an

53:39existing building, you have you have to

53:41be a general contractor to do those

53:43renovations and it's not practical for a

53:46general contractor to just do the pool

53:48renovations has. So by putting it with

53:51the senior center, you're going to have

53:53that general contractor for the senior

53:55center and he can hire a sash gunite or

53:59purel or pure aqua or whoever they want

54:02to go in and renovate that pool and

54:04it'll be much more cost effective and

54:06beneficial. And what we're doing is it's

54:09getting some new filter equipment. Um,

54:12it needs a new uh dehumidification

54:15system. The air isn't great in that

54:17room. There's some other tile and and

54:20renovations going on in that room.

54:22>> What about the support structure in the

54:24building itself? Is that compliant with

54:28regulations and everything?

54:29>> The support structure. You mean what?

54:30The structure holding up the pool.

54:32>> Yeah.

54:32>> Yes.

54:34>> Thank you.

54:39I'm just curious uh as to what the rough

54:43budget is going to be to do this

54:46project.

54:50>> You know, if I gave you a number today,

54:51it it would be two years old and we're

54:55not quite sure if the number is going to

54:57be higher or lower. We just build bid

55:00the reading community center and it came

55:04in $2 million below the budget. They're

55:07very

55:09good time to bid the project. So, we're

55:11going to put this out for bid uh cost

55:14estimates in a couple months so that the

55:18[clears throat] community can get used

55:19to what those numbers are. But I'm a

55:21little bit afraid to suggest that they

55:23might what they would be now because

55:25it's not necessarily true that they're

55:28going to be higher than they were

55:30before. They may be similar if the right

55:33now there's not a lot of public sector

55:35construction going on. So we got 10 bids

55:39in on on the ready and it was a $28

55:42million project. So much bigger project.

55:46There' be [snorts] many more contractors

55:47[clears throat] available for your

55:49project.

55:51So there I mean not even broad strokes

55:55numbers. I mean what the town doesn't

55:58have uh an amount of money that they

56:01feel they're going to commit to this

56:04project. Um

56:10[clears throat]

56:10>> um so because the before we had fully

56:14designed the phase one and now we've

56:16expanded the scope of that phase one,

56:18we're working on these uh community

56:20engagement sessions to finalize the

56:22design so we can get cost estimates and

56:24then the select board will decide what

56:26the budget will end up being. I will say

56:29that one of the things I didn't mention

56:30that we've already done is we've talked

56:32to the select board generally about

56:35multiple funding sources. So we do have

56:37a couple of funding sources that might

56:39be available that would not have an

56:41impact to taxes. Um and then there would

56:44also certainly be debt um which would h

56:47which would have an impact. So um one of

56:50the funding sources we talked about a

56:51couple years ago and continue to talk

56:53about is um the sale of this building.

56:56So if we were to move everyone over,

56:58this building would be sold and then

57:01that that money could be used to pay

57:03down the debt. So So we're trying to

57:05look at all of those things to mitigate

57:06the impact as much as we can.

57:08>> Thank you,

57:09>> Christie.

57:13Just real quick because I get a sense of

57:14how important the elevator inside the

57:16elevator is to people. Can we just have

57:18a show of hands of people that would

57:20like that elevator or need it?

57:25Thank you.

57:29>> Any other questions or feedback?

57:40>> And I understand you're saying it's more

57:42cost effective to fund with the rest of

57:47what you're doing.

57:50But look,

57:52are we able to afford? And it seems as

57:55that pool seems to have been a money

57:57hit. Um, from what I've understood

58:02what's going on up there.

58:07>> Um, so we have not operated the pool

58:10since we got into the building.

58:13But I mean

58:16>> from listening to what it would cost to

58:19get it [cough] operational, it sounds as

58:21if it's going to be quite expensive.

58:23>> So we did bring an article to town

58:25meeting last October. Um and I and I

58:30Kim's going to correct me if I'm wrong.

58:31It was about $800,000. Yes. Um, so we

58:34were asking for $800,000 to to get the

58:37pool to where we felt it would be in um

58:40fully renovated, ready to operate. Um,

58:42and that and that vote did fail. Um, so

58:45one of the things that we would be

58:46looking at is sort of what is that

58:48economy and scale if you're doing it as

58:50part of the larger project. Um, just to

58:53offer that information back to the

58:55community to see if that's something

58:56they're interested in. I think we got a

58:58lot of feedback about the cost of the

59:00pool. We got some feedback about the

59:02interest in having a pool. Um, so that's

59:05helpful to hear from you about your

59:07thoughts on the pool at these sessions

59:08as well.

59:09>> Will there be a chance to vote on that

59:11at town meeting

59:12>> as a separate

59:13>> whether or not the pool should be

59:15included in this whole thing?

59:20>> Um, I think the intent is to if it was

59:23going to move forward, we just bring it

59:25back as the whole project. But I I hear

59:27you and I think I hear some other folks.

59:29So that's something that we can think

59:30about if we need to separate that out.

59:35>> One of the nice um presentations that um

59:38Kim and Jen gave in October 25 was if we

59:43can get this pool done, there's a way to

59:45self- sustain this pool by various

59:48programs,

59:50parties, etc. and stuff like that. So it

59:52could be an asset that once we create it

59:55could actually sustain and perhaps be a

59:57profit center for the town. It would

59:59certainly increase the usage, I think,

1:00:01of the senior center and the rec center

1:00:03overall.

1:00:05>> A lot of people say that

1:00:07>> it's true.

1:00:09>> It It's probably true. I'm just

1:00:11wondering about the total cost of the

1:00:14whole thing being a senior in town that

1:00:18is not um in a position to move because

1:00:22there's no place

1:00:24if I sold my house I wouldn't be able to

1:00:27say stay in town

1:00:30because of the housing being so

1:00:32expensive and the over 55s being so

1:00:34expensive. So, I'm very concerned about

1:00:38um the impact on the tax rate and

1:00:41whether or not we can afford this and um

1:00:46swimming parties for three year olds is

1:00:49not a concern of mine.

1:00:50>> No, but it it brings in money.

1:00:53>> It will not bring in enough money. I'm

1:00:55sure

1:00:56>> you want to make money on people that

1:00:58are using hotels.

1:01:01>> Excuse me.

1:01:02>> Use it. It's a if it's a senior if it's

1:01:05a town building, they don't want they're

1:01:08not going to want to come in and have to

1:01:10pay to get swimming lessons for the

1:01:12kids. They can go down to the beach.

1:01:18>> What would happen to the pool if we

1:01:20don't do anything to it?

1:01:24of course.

1:01:27>> Um I think that once we get through this

1:01:30process, if if I think the board is

1:01:33hearing from the community that the pool

1:01:34is just not something that we're

1:01:36interested in, then we would need to

1:01:37explore what the future would be. So

1:01:40filling it in a ball pit, I'm not sure.

1:01:43Um but I'm just kidding. I'm kidding.

1:01:46[laughter]

1:01:46Um,

1:01:48>> but yeah, no, we haven't we haven't

1:01:50looked at any we haven't done any or

1:01:51asked the team to do any design work

1:01:53around an alternative to the pool space.

1:01:56>> The big question for me about the pool

1:01:58was not understanding the business model

1:02:00will be overall with it. And I think

1:02:02that was not

1:02:04>> fleshed out enough for for satisfaction

1:02:06at la last year's town meeting. um

1:02:08especially with regards to well what

1:02:10fees are going to be involved and for

1:02:12whom and what categories and how does

1:02:14that compare to alternatives that people

1:02:16use such as the Y. So I'm looking

1:02:18forward to hearing more about the

1:02:20overall cost of not just the

1:02:22construction and the rehab and what

1:02:24that's going to impact but also the

1:02:26ongoing fees even though there are

1:02:28there's the companies that say they will

1:02:30service this but but does that really

1:02:32work out and are there other costs to us

1:02:34if we have staff affiliate

1:02:38Yeah. So, just for folks who u might not

1:02:41remember, there's really were two models

1:02:43that we were looking at. One was where

1:02:45the the town built would fully staff uh

1:02:48the pool and that would be um that would

1:02:52be char fees would be charged to cover

1:02:54the cost of those programs just like

1:02:56every other recreation program. Um,

1:02:58another possible model is where um we

1:03:01enter into a contract with a vendor who

1:03:04does um who who runs the the program.

1:03:08Um, and what would and so the question

1:03:09is, you know, what would those fees look

1:03:11like when you're contracting with a

1:03:12private vendor versus the town running

1:03:14the programs? Um, so so those are two

1:03:17different models that we have been

1:03:18looking at.

1:03:25I was just curious, uh, when you move

1:03:27into the new building, are you going to

1:03:28get new furniture, tables, and chairs,

1:03:31or are you taking these with you? I

1:03:33don't know how old these are. I think

1:03:35these are fairly new, aren't they? The

1:03:36>> chair.

1:03:38>> I'm just curious as to you have to buy

1:03:41new furniture, but

1:03:43>> the furniture and that was budgeted into

1:03:45[clears throat] the cost the last time.

1:03:48So, it intends to get new furniture.

1:03:50Other

1:03:54questions,

1:03:56comments?

1:03:59Um well, thanks everybody for coming. Um

1:04:03again, our next me [applause]

1:04:08Thank you, Joel. Um our next meeting is

1:04:11September [clears throat] 14th um in the

1:04:14it's going to be held in the Forbes

1:04:16great hall. Um, so it's an evening

1:04:18meeting, but again, if you have

1:04:20questions, please reach out. If you have

1:04:21comments, please reach out and we'll um

1:04:24forward any feedback to the design team.

1:04:26>> Thank you.

1:04:27>> Thank you.