2026-10-27 - Town Council Regular Session

14:36October 2. There it is. Good evening. I

14:40call this October 27th, 2026 meeting of

14:42the Morrisville Council to order. We

14:44[clears throat] ask those in attendance

14:45tonight to please silence your cell

14:47phones. Make sure mine is Yep. Mine's

14:50silent. Thank you to those here in

14:53person with us tonight, those watching

14:54via live stream, and those who are

14:56watching the recording of this meeting.

14:57Our town mission statement, which guides

14:59our decisions tonight and into the

15:01future, is connecting our diverse

15:03community to an enhanced quality of life

15:05through innovative programs and

15:06services. Detective Cody Lee is our

15:09sergeant-at-arms for this evening's

15:11meeting. We thank you for your

15:12attendance, sir. This evening, I will be

15:14leading our invocation.

15:19As we begin tonight's meeting, let us

15:21take a moment to reflect on the

15:22responsibility and opportunity that come

15:24with serving our community. Communities

15:27are rarely shaped by a single decision

15:29or a single moment. They are built

15:31through thousands of choices, acts of

15:33sacrifice, and commitments made day

15:36after day. The lesson found is that

15:38small actions consistently repeated

15:41create extraordinary results over time.

15:44In local government, that means every

15:46conversation, every vote, every

15:48investment, and every effort to serve

15:50residents contributes to the future of

15:52Morrisville.

15:54Progress is not always dramatic. More

15:56often, it comes from steady improvement,

15:58strong relationships, and a shared

16:01commitment to making things a little

16:02better each day. Tonight, let us

16:05remember the importance of focusing on

16:07what matters most. Listening to our

16:09residents, measuring our progress,

16:12honesty, celebrating successes, and

16:15learning from challenges. Let us

16:17continue building a culture of

16:19collaboration, accountability, and

16:22continuous improvement.

16:24[snorts] My nose is running a little

16:25bit. I had some spicy food earlier. We

16:28also celebrate the moments that bring

16:29our community together. We are grateful

16:31for the success of this year's the

16:33Wallally celebration, which showcased

16:35the diversity, spirit, and unity that

16:37make Morrisville such a special place.

16:39Events like these remind us that our

16:41differences are a source of strength and

16:44that community is built through

16:45connection and shared experiences. As we

16:48look ahead to Boo Bash this Thursday at

16:50Morrisville Community Park from 6:00

16:51till 8:00 p.m., we look forward to

16:53another opportunity for families,

16:54neighbors, and friends to gather, create

16:56memories, and strengthen the bonds that

16:59unite us all. As Morrisville continues

17:01to earn recognition for excellence in

17:03governance and civic engagement, may we

17:06remain focused not only on any single

17:08achievement, but on the habits,

17:11relationships, and values that make

17:13those achievements possible.

17:15May our discussions tonight be

17:17thoughtful, our decisions

17:18forward-looking, and our service worthy

17:20of the trust placed in us by the people

17:23of Morrisville.

17:25At this time, all who are able, please

17:27stand as we recite the pledge of

17:28allegiance.

17:35To the flag of the United States of

17:38America and to the republic for which it

17:41stands. One nation under God,

17:44indivisible, with liy and justice for

17:47all.

17:56Before we adopt tonight's agenda, I

17:57would like to recognize our attorney at

17:59this time for a possible adjustment to

18:00the agenda. Thank you, mayor. Um, a

18:03matter has come up in the last 24 hours

18:06or so that makes me want to confer with

18:08the council in close session and so I

18:12would appreciate uh you adding an

18:14attorney client uh confidential close

18:17session matter to the end of the agenda.

18:20>> Okay. Thank you very much. Town council

18:23policy is to review and ensure there are

18:25no conflicts of interest or appearance

18:26of conflict of interest with any items

18:28on the agenda. Does anyone have anything

18:30they want to share at this time?

18:32>> Okay, seeing none, is there a motion and

18:34second to adopt this evening's regular

18:36agenda with the addition of that second

18:37closed session to discuss attorney

18:39climate privilege.

18:40>> I'll make that motion.

18:42>> I'll second.

18:43>> Motion from Mayor Pat, a second from

18:45council member Johnson. All those in

18:46favor, please say I.

18:48>> I. Any opposed? Hearing none, that

18:50carries unanimously. Have a close

18:52additional close session in there. Uh

18:55there are four items on this evening's

18:57consent agenda. Approval of September

18:59council minutes, fall advisory committee

19:02appointments, plat review officer

19:04appointments, stormwater runoff 5K fee

19:06schedule amendment, resolution

19:09authorizing the surplus of a 20,06

19:12KME predator fire truck, and resolution

19:15adopting the 2027 town council meeting

19:18schedule. Would any member of council

19:19wish to push any of these items for

19:21discuss pull any of these items for

19:23discussion?

19:25Okay. Is there a motion and a second to

19:26adopt this evening's consent agenda,

19:29please?

19:31>> I'll make that motion.

19:34>> Second. [clears throat]

19:35I have a motion from Mayor Petraati, a

19:37second council member Kesling. All those

19:38in favor, please say I. I. Any opposed?

19:42Hearing none, that also carries

19:43unanimously. Unanimously 70. Next on the

19:46agenda is Morrisville speaks which is

19:48our public comment. Do we have any

19:50signed up this evening? Town clerk Bley.

19:57>> We have two individuals signed up this

19:59evening.

19:59>> Okay. Excellent. Um those who have

20:01signed up to speak, please approach the

20:03microphone after Miss Bertling called

20:05your name and begin by stating your name

20:08and your residential address and direct

20:10your comments to the council. Each

20:12speaker will be allotted three minutes

20:13to ensure everyone has a fair

20:15opportunity to share their thoughts. A

20:17timer will start after you state your

20:18name and address and a buzzer will sound

20:20when your time is up. We appreciate your

20:22cooperation in helping us manage time

20:24fairly for all participants. Uh Tunkler

20:27Bling, can you please call the first?

20:29>> First is Katie Long.

20:41Good evening, mayor and members of the

20:43town council. My name is Katie Long and

20:45I live at 131 China Court, Morrisville.

20:48I'm here tonight to raise a public

20:50safety concern regarding ebikes on

20:52Morrisfield's roads and sidewalks. I

20:55want to be clear that I'm not asking the

20:56town to ban ebikes. My concern is unsafe

21:00operation and rather our current rules,

21:02education and enforcement are keeping

21:04pace with how these ebikes are being

21:06used. I have personally seen ebike

21:09riders traveling on sidewalks in ways

21:11that cause pedestrians to step off the

21:12sidewalk to avoid them. Pedestrians

21:15should not have to move into the grass,

21:17onto private property, or closer to the

21:20roadway because of an ebike rider will

21:23not slow down or yield. I'm also

21:25concerned about young riders zipping

21:27through stop signs, disregarding traffic

21:29signs, riding without helmets,

21:32transporting passengers. When these

21:34behaviors are com combined with speed

21:36ebikes can reach, the consequences of

21:39one bad decision can be serious. A young

21:41rider entering an intersection without

21:43stopping may give a driver very little

21:45time to react. And when that rider is

21:48carrying a passenger, another young

21:50person may may also be placed at risk.

21:54Parents have a responsibility as well.

21:56If parents allow their children to

21:58operate ebikes, they should make sure

22:00their children understand traffic laws,

22:02use appropriate safety equipment, and

22:05understand the responsibility that comes

22:07with riding around vehicles and

22:09pedestrians. I also ask the town to

22:12consider what responsibility parents

22:14should have when minors repeatedly

22:15operate ebikes recklessly or unsafeely.

22:20I also would like the town to clarify

22:22what ordinances, if any, currently apply

22:24specifically to ebikes in Morrisville.

22:27If regulations already exist, are riders

22:30and parents aware of them and are they

22:32being adequately enforced? If

22:34Morrisville does not have specific ebike

22:37regulations, I ask the council to

22:38consider whether whether they are now

22:41needed. I respectfully ask the council

22:44to consider clear rules regarding

22:46sidewalk use, appropriate speeds,

22:48[clears throat]

22:48helmets, and passenger safety, education

22:51for young riders and parents, and

22:52enforcement of unsafe riding. Again,

22:55this is not about banning ebikes. It is

22:58about responsibility and public safety.

23:00Pedestrians should not be run off

23:02sidewalks. Stop signs should not be

23:04ignored. Traffic laws should not be

23:06optional. And parents should understand

23:08the responsibility that comes with

23:09allowing a child to operate an ebike. We

23:13should address this now rather than

23:14waiting until a child, pedestrian,

23:16passenger, or motorist is seriously

23:18injured. Thank you for your time and

23:20consideration.

23:25>> Next is Robin Wilson.

23:33Mayor, council members, and neighbors,

23:36good evening. My name is Robin Wilson,

23:38and I live in the Breen Ridge community

23:40at 305 Mannington Drive. I'm here

23:43tonight because our town is facing a

23:45growing and dangerous problem, the same

23:47that Katie mentioned, the rapid rise of

23:49unsafe ebike and ecooter use by minors.

23:52This is no longer a nuisance. It's

23:54become a safety issue. Over the past

23:57year, reckless riding has escalated to

23:59the level that puts children,

24:00pedestrians, and drivers and families at

24:02risk. These are not rare occurrences.

24:05They mirror what residents are posting

24:07constantly on our neighborhood Facebook

24:09page. I personally, myself, have been

24:11run off the sidewalk by an ebike while

24:13walking. Kids regularly fly down

24:16Mannington Drive at extremely high

24:18speeds, two per bike sometimes. In the

24:21courtyard behind my house, children

24:23often performed high-speed stunts

24:26without helmets. And just recently, five

24:28ebikes blew through a stop sign, nearly

24:30causing a collision, and then laughed as

24:32they sped by. These incidents are

24:34happening in broad daylight in our

24:36neighborhood. And the data shows this is

24:38part of a much larger national

24:40emergency. According to the US Consumer

24:42Product Safety Commission, from 2017 to

24:452024, there were 535

24:48ER visits related to ebikes and e-

24:51scooters and 517 reported deaths.

24:55Experts agree this is only a fraction of

24:57what's actually happening because most

24:59incidents go unreported. [clears throat]

25:02We are in a child safety crisis.

25:04Pediatric ERS nationwide are seeing a

25:07surge of injuries involving minors, kids

25:0916 and under, riding 20 to 28 miles per

25:12hour without helmets, without training,

25:14and without any understanding of traffic

25:16laws. Here in North Carolina, Wake Med

25:18has treated 600 ecooter related injuries

25:21since 2021. According to NC Health, law

25:25enforcement is clear. These injuries

25:26stem from high-speed devices being

25:29ridden recklessly by minors who

25:31disregard traffic laws and do not wear

25:33helmets. So what is being done?

25:36Morsville and Carrie and Apex police

25:38departments have begun citing underage

25:40and uns underage riders and unsafe

25:42behavior and our towns have implemented

25:44greenway safety management policies. Is

25:47this enough to protect us against a trag

25:50tragedy? State law already gives

25:53municipalities the authority to regulate

25:55ebike and e- scooter use on sidewalks,

25:57multi-purpose paths, greenways, and

25:59parks. Other communities are acting

26:02decisively. Garner and Wake Forest have

26:04stopped have capped ebike speeds at 10

26:07miles per hour. Several NC jurisdictions

26:09have banned sidewalk usage entirely and

26:12Pender County has banned ebikes from

26:14parks, greenways, and athletics fields.

26:16We have strong models and a

26:18responsibility to act before someone

26:20gets seriously hurt. So what is the

26:22solution? I respectfully urge the

26:25council to consider mandatory safety

26:27training for all ebike and escooter

26:29users, especially minors.

26:32Stronger monitoring and enforcement by

26:34Morrisville police and accountability

26:35for parents. In Orange County,

26:37California, 12 parents were just

26:39criminally charged with reck reckless

26:41endangerment. We have a choice to be

26:44proactive rather than reactive.

26:47Thank you.

26:50>> That is the end of our signed up

26:52speakers and there are no online

26:53comments.

26:56>> Just let me know everything I need.

26:57That's perfect. Thank you to everyone

26:59who has spoken. If anyone in the

27:01audience who did not sign up and would

27:02like to address the council, please come

27:04forward to the microphone stand at this

27:06time.

27:08Okay, seeing none, thank you very much.

27:14As a reminder, we encourage the

27:16submission of written comments as they

27:17offer another valuable way for community

27:19members to share their feedback. To

27:21submit a written comment, please email

27:23public input at morrisvillec.gov.

27:27We have one administrative report this

27:28evening. This report is for information

27:30only unless there are specific

27:32questions. And I would like to um Does

27:35any member have any questions about this

27:38report at this time?

27:42I'd like to recognize Morati.

27:44U Thank you, mayor. I would like to pull

27:47the uh council expenditures on training

27:50from the administrative reports.

27:52>> Okay. Miss Bling, you are the uh

27:55administrator of this item at this time.

27:58Um do you have any questions for her?

28:02>> Hi, Kayla. Um I don't know if we can Oh,

28:05I see it's already there. Thank you. Um,

28:08I just want I just think that for

28:11transparency, especially in this time of

28:14increased scrutiny of council

28:15expenditures, that we should not just

28:18leave this on administrative reports. I

28:20think that we should um that we should

28:23look at it, show it to the public, and

28:28if anyone has any comments on it, um I

28:30think we should make them.

28:34>> Thank you. I'll go through the report

28:35now. Thank you. So, rule 36, which was

28:38adopted last year, ensures transparency

28:41and equity equity in the distribution of

28:44council expenditures, particularly

28:47looking at training and travel spending

28:49by council, and we also track apparel

28:52and other supplies. Um, so this is

28:56available on our agenda tonight for the

28:58public. We also began posting these on

29:01our website, um, so the public's able to

29:03see this at any time. Um this is a

29:06snapshot of how much the council members

29:08have spent individually this fiscal

29:11year. So that's from July 1 of 2026.

29:15Um

29:17as you can see we have a total spend by

29:19council member oops a total spend by

29:22council member uh total apparel and then

29:25total training. And you might see a

29:28difference between these total funds um

29:31because in that rule 36 it outlined some

29:33things that would not count. Um so a

29:36good example for Mayor Collie is most of

29:38the um North Carolina Mayor's

29:40Association events those do not count

29:42towards his individual training because

29:44he's going um on behalf of council for

29:46the mayor's association. Um, and then on

29:49the second page, we have a detailed

29:51breakdown of every transaction for

29:53council under this rule. And that

29:55includes all things that would be

29:58counted towards this full total. So, I'm

30:01happy to answer any questions and I can

30:03also show where the public can find this

30:05on the website.

30:06>> Um, would you mind adding the link to

30:09this report on the website into the into

30:12this report so that it's

30:15>> Yeah, just so that it's easy to find

30:17that. Okay,

30:22>> thank you. We appreciate the work that

30:24goes into keeping all this transparent

30:26and for everybody to see. Seeing no

30:29other questions, we'll move on. We're at

30:31number 10, action items. We have one

30:33action item tonight. We now invite

30:35Brandon Zuda, town manager, and Mark

30:36Spanoli, town engineer, to the podium.

30:51Good evening, Mayor and Council. Uh, so

30:54we're here tonight following up on a

30:55discussion that started at the uh, prior

30:58council meeting in regards to uh,

31:00improvements that were scheduled to be

31:02made at Church Street Park. Uh for the

31:05audience and for those at home,

31:06[clears throat]

31:07this is a five was intended to be a $5

31:09million project to do improvements uh to

31:12bring the Cricut facility at Church

31:14Street Park up to international play

31:16standards. That included approximately

31:18$2 million for lighting upgrades that

31:21was completed earlier this spring and

31:22those are functional now. The second

31:24component of that was to be a $3 million

31:27project to improve the drainage on the

31:30field and to also add two pitches to

31:32expand from four to six pitches on the

31:35field. Uh so as we went through this

31:37process, um we put this out, we had an

31:40initial cost estimate of $3 million for

31:43this work. Uh when it actually went out

31:45for bid, uh the bid from the qualified

31:49bidder came back at approximately $4

31:51million. Well, actually higher than

31:53that, but Mark and his staff have done

31:55some negotiation to bring it down to $4

31:57million. So, we shared that with you at

32:00the last meeting explained how that

32:02occurred and and uh again, we've since

32:05that time and prior to that had had

32:07conversations and when we talked to

32:09other Cricut professionals, they all

32:10agreed that the group that's involved

32:12here, which is LNT that actually does

32:14the work, is the people that you want

32:16doing this kind of work. They've done

32:17cricket fields across the country. Um,

32:20and we've talked to three, four, five

32:21different entities that all speak highly

32:23of them and indicate that, you know,

32:25they're they're very informed, they're

32:26very knowledgeable, and they do it well.

32:28So, that left us with a uh a revised

32:32price tag of $4 million. uh staff shared

32:35with you that the additional $1 million

32:37could be funded from the parks reserve

32:40and that we could tell you that it

32:42doesn't impact a project today, but that

32:44it certainly could impact by not having

32:46that million dollars available in the

32:48future for other projects. Um

32:50particularly in the context of what we

32:53might see coming out of the parks and

32:54recck master plan and also uh the

32:56capital improvement plan that you're

32:58having discussions with staff on right

33:00now. We're scheduled to come back I

33:02think uh on November 24th to to continue

33:05that conversation.

33:07So

33:11again this is the highlights of uh the

33:13information I just shared with you.

33:15Again the the project includes the

33:18improves the drainage system. There

33:19really is not a formal drainage system

33:21there. Now the challenge we have with

33:23that is that if it rains we could lose

33:26days instead of hours while the field

33:28drains and dries out. And that's

33:30prohibitive not only from general use of

33:32the field, but it's also been prohibited

33:34towards uh bringing back major league

33:37cricket and some of the other larger

33:39scale cricket events uh because if

33:41they're here for a three or four day

33:42tournament and we get a good rain, they

33:44could lose the majority of that time and

33:46not be able to complete their

33:47tournament. So that's where this all

33:49initiated from. Um again, at the the

33:52last meeting, we did talk about both

33:54parks master plan and the capital

33:55projects. Uh we had some costbenefit

33:58analysis discussion. Uh we talked again

34:00about the agreement terms with American

34:03Cricut Enterprises or ACE. Uh we talked

34:06about the project cost and what it would

34:08be now, how it might change if it was

34:10deferred for a year. Um as a reminder,

34:13we do have a $2 million grant from the

34:15Wake County Hospitality Tax Grant uh

34:18that was awarded to us. That's about

34:20well, it's exactly 40% of the project.

34:23Uh, and so we we will not hinder that by

34:26waiting a year if you choose to. Um, but

34:28if you were to choose not to complete

34:29this project, we would have to go back

34:31to the county and I'll share some

34:33information with you on that in a few

34:34minutes. And then we talked briefly

34:36about sponsorship potential. Uh, and the

34:39short answer there right now was that we

34:41have some folks that our consultant is

34:43talking to, but no one so far has

34:46expressed specific interest in

34:48sponsoring the park itself. uh they're

34:50more interested in partnering with us on

34:51a variety of items and we'll again have

34:54that coming to you um shortly in a close

34:56session.

34:58Just a reminder on the ACE agreement

35:00again it gives them exclusive weekends

35:02and priority weekdays uh rent free as a

35:04part of our agreement and they have 10

35:06weekends that they can reserve uh as an

35:09example they use three in this most

35:10recent season. Those were all for minor

35:12league cricket. Uh this does to some

35:14extent limit some of our ability to host

35:16other cricket events um as we wait for

35:19them to get scheduled uh and talk with

35:21them about that. Uh the agreement the

35:24minimum match threshold is to host 15

35:26matches annually. In 2026 they hosted

35:2914. Uh again they're required to submit

35:32a schedule to town staff no later than

35:34March 31st so that they can get sort of

35:36their first choice of the field and then

35:38we schedule other entities after that.

35:41Uh, ACE also has the right to select the

35:43venue trade name and naming rights

35:45purchaser that came from the original

35:47agreement. And then ACE must also agree

35:50to town the town hosting other Cricut

35:52events that might be deemed competing

35:54cricketing events as defined in our

35:56agreement as well.

35:59So, since we last spoke with you, um,

36:01we've undertaken several things to be

36:03able to bring you back some additional

36:04information. Uh, one of those was a

36:06meeting with the town attorney, Gray,

36:08uh, to again discuss the agreement that

36:10we have with ACE and to prep for a call

36:12that we were going to have with them.

36:14Uh, we did speak with ACE last Tuesday,

36:17I believe. Uh, we gave them an update on

36:19the renovation project and some of the

36:21challenges we were facing. Uh, we asked

36:23for their intent on the 2027 schedule.

36:26Uh, they did share that they are trying

36:29to schedule major league cricket and

36:31have that done in the next 30 days by

36:33the end of November. Um, again trying I

36:36don't know if that will occur or not.

36:37That would not necessarily include any

36:40scheduling for minor league that would

36:41be required to come by that March 31st

36:43deadline. Uh, they did share with us

36:46that basically there's with the field

36:48improvements being completed. Um, we

36:51still only have a 50/50 chance of

36:53getting major league cricket back in 27.

36:55Uh, there's a stadium being constructed

36:57outside of Washington DC and Maryland.

37:00uh and that would be their preferred uh

37:02facility on the east coast if it's ready

37:04in time. If it weren't to be ready in

37:06time, we could see some matches. I

37:08believe they're also trying to finish up

37:10some renovations at the Oakland Stadium

37:12that they've acquired or leasing. Uh and

37:14there's a chance that there might be

37:16some need for matches from there. Um

37:19again, I during that call with them, I I

37:21shared some of our frustration of

37:23feeling that, you know, you need our

37:24field, you build more fields, you don't

37:26need our field, you have more teams, you

37:27need our field. and and being on that

37:29sort of roller coaster. Um, and so we

37:32shared that with them as best I could.

37:35Uh, and then the other thing I would

37:36mention is that, you know, they're very

37:39supportive of course of seeing these

37:41renovations made to the field. Um, but

37:43they're also clear that in order for

37:45them to come back uh continually in the

37:48future, they are still interested in the

37:50completion of locker rooms, a coach's

37:52space, a first aid space, those sort of

37:54amenities that we don't currently have

37:56at the facility. and those have to be

37:58brought in anytime there's a major

38:00league match. And again, that's what uh

38:02is primarily the cause for us not seeing

38:05any revenue um from this agreement is

38:07the cost of new bringing all that

38:09equipment in to host a tournament.

38:13Also, since we last met last met, excuse

38:15me, um we had a chance to speak with

38:17Farra Gorsy, who is the head of IC

38:20Americas. Uh had a very nice

38:22conversation with her last Thursday. Um

38:25she shared that IC is interested in

38:28bringing Olympic warm-up matches to

38:29Morrisville. Uh that could begin

38:32actually in 2027. Um they've already for

38:34example heard from Sri Lanka that

38:36they're interested in coming and getting

38:37some play here in country ahead of 2028.

38:41Uh you recall they also came here and

38:43did some warm-up prior to the World Cup

38:45um previously. Uh and again the and then

38:48they would certainly have matches in

38:502028. Uh these would be revenue

38:52generating opportunities for the town.

38:54They would be leasing out um the field

38:56from us and then we would be working on

38:58them with how the other amenities they

39:00would have to bring in similar to major

39:02league because although these are quote

39:03unquote warm-up matches they would be

39:06fenced off ticketed big events even

39:08though they're just a warm-up event

39:10because of who the teams would be and

39:11the interest they would draw. Uh they

39:13were very clear, however, that the field

39:16would need to be ready with the

39:17renovations for summer 2027. A they'd

39:21like to host some teams in 27. And more

39:23importantly, they don't they're I think

39:25wary, which I understand, of our quote

39:28unquote new field opening in June of 28

39:31and needing to be ready for play in

39:33August of 28. You know, there there's

39:35some breakin of the field. There's some

39:36other things that need to happen. Um,

39:38we've got lots of staff here that can

39:40speak more eloquently than I can on that

39:42if you'd like to hear any of that. Um,

39:45but again, they're also interested in

39:46longerterm partnership for hosting some

39:48caps and some matches. They're

39:50interested in community engagement and

39:52and investment uh over the longer term

39:55uh either way.

39:57So, that was our conversation with ICC

39:59Americas. Um, also spoke with Wake

40:02County staff regarding the hospitality

40:04tax grant. Um, the response I got was

40:08that we could certainly circle back to

40:10them if you elected not to move forward

40:12with the renovations and we could ask

40:14them to consider just funding 40% of the

40:17lighting, which would be $800,000 rather

40:20than the $2 million we were awarded.

40:22Certainly no guarantees that that would

40:24happen. They might just pull the the

40:25grant back. Um, the person I spoke to

40:28wasn't ultimately the decision maker on

40:30that, but more the process person.

40:34Uh, we also followed up with

40:35Superlative, who is our sponsorship

40:37consultant. As I mentioned earlier, they

40:39did confirm that they're working um on

40:41what I would define as some meaningful

40:43or significant um sponsorships, but they

40:46are not currently interested in

40:48sponsorship of just Church Street Park.

40:50Uh, and again, the ACE agreement right

40:52now is a bit of a factor in that.

40:55And then, uh, staff also reviewed

40:57potential revenue apart from ACE use,

40:59and I'll I'll share some information

41:00with you on that as well.

41:04So right now uh the revenue projections

41:07uh that our staff in parks has put

41:09together. So this does assume um that

41:12there's no ace play. This is just if we

41:14were able to open up the facility to

41:16anyone that was interested in using it.

41:18Um there's theoretically 48 weekend use

41:21days and 75 weekday use days um that we

41:25could be used. So that would be um 25

41:27hours a week or 615 hours. Again, what

41:31that allows for is more local leagues,

41:33more permitted events, programming, open

41:36play, um, and again, perhaps less

41:39maintenance because of the drainage

41:40being better and other things and not

41:42necessarily needing all everything that

41:44we do for a major league event, although

41:46I think Matt would tell you and his team

41:48is it's pretty close. It it it doesn't

41:50change dramatically because you're still

41:51maintaining the field. Um, but there is

41:53an opportunity there um to do that. And

41:56then the other thing I would say with

41:58this and this goes back to you know the

42:00ability to improve the field is it also

42:03increases community use. So you know

42:06first of all just by adding pitches you

42:08can play more cricket there because you

42:09don't have to rest as often. Um

42:11improving the drainage certainly allows

42:13for more opportunities for cricket play

42:15but it also makes the field more

42:16available for other things. You could be

42:18talking about flag football. You could

42:20be talking about just the folks that are

42:22there. most every morning when I drive

42:24by, they're coming to work, whether

42:25they're kicking a soccer ball or

42:27throwing things around or just walking,

42:29whatever that might be. Um, but those

42:31improvements that you're considering

42:32would certainly enhance the ability for

42:34this to serve as more of a community

42:36asset. You know, we have a lot of

42:38conversation about this being a Cricut

42:40facility that's in a public park. And

42:42so, you know, staff is certainly

42:43committed to trying to balance that with

42:45you as best we can uh going forward. But

42:48back to the revenue, um, if you assume

42:50for a minute that all those rentals were

42:52resident rentals, it would be $38,000

42:55annually. Uh, if it was non-residents,

42:57it would be $57,000 annually. And that's

43:00just to lease the field. You know, there

43:02would certainly be other things that

43:04would likely be charged. That would be

43:05pitch prep, use of the lights, time for

43:08staff, um, shelters, other things that

43:11would be incorporated into that. So, the

43:13revenue you see there is really just the

43:15leasing of the field. So those numbers

43:17would increase with the other things

43:19that would go with um depending on

43:21whether it's just a simple match or a

43:23tournament or what's happening there.

43:29So again a little bit of you know who is

43:32interested in this facility um from a

43:34variety of standpoints. So certainly

43:36from a cricket standpoint you know we

43:38work with ACE for major league and minor

43:40league. We also have the CDA and core

43:43those are both more local leagues. Uh we

43:46have the junior cricket league, national

43:48cricket league, national league cricket,

43:50those are two separate entities. Uh it

43:52could be used as an Olympic training

43:54hub, triangle cricket league is

43:55certainly been our longest and and

43:57strongest partner. And then of course

43:59USA cricket, USA cricket as an NC hub uh

44:03as well as IC um bringing matches as

44:06well. So there's really a wide variety

44:08of who is interested in using this field

44:11um from a cricket standpoint and that

44:13really goes from sort of the the lowest

44:15level of of youth training up to ICC

44:18major league cricket, you know, Olympic

44:20warm-up matches, things like that. But

44:22there are additional athletic

44:24opportunities. I mentioned one of them.

44:25I didn't hit the whole list. Uh flag

44:27football is certainly a possibility. You

44:29know, without the tackling that reduces

44:31the wear and tear on the field. uh

44:33developmental soccer clinics, youth

44:35cricket performance clinics, so other

44:37things that we could offer in the

44:38community from an organized standpoint.

44:40And then of course there's still

44:42unorganized activity that is going on

44:44out there all the time. Drive by there

44:46almost any time and you're going to see

44:48that field in use in some way or

44:50another. Uh again, we also have some

44:52opportunities for special events. It

44:54really does depend on what those are and

44:56what the impact on the field would be.

44:58Uh particularly if you make this

45:00additional investment. Again, we want to

45:02balance it with community use, but if

45:04you make this investment, that's a

45:05significant investment and we want to

45:07make sure we're protecting that

45:08investment. So, balancing that against

45:10availability for community use,

45:12particularly special events. And then,

45:14of course, we could do some of our own

45:16special events there uh in the future as

45:18well, depending on how that evolves and

45:20how we use spaces such as the New Town

45:22Green when that opens and then some of

45:24our other parks.

45:27So you had asked questions about the

45:29parks and recck master plan. So just to

45:31give you a little overview of that. Um

45:34this is preliminary. This has not gone

45:36through any final approval. But this is

45:38the data you will um initially see when

45:40it's presented. Um these are the top six

45:43things that are on the park's master

45:45plan priorities as far as capital

45:47investment or planning for capital

45:49investment. Um and you will see there

45:51there's not really any other um

45:54significant construction yet on this

45:56list. So you see, you know, a

45:58feasibility study around a recreation

46:00center. We've had a number of

46:01conversations of is that a town

46:03investment in a future phase of town

46:05center or does it go somewhere else, but

46:07a rec center's been on that list going

46:09back to the old master plan for quite

46:11some time. Uh as a reminder, there is

46:13money in the five-year CIP currently to

46:16start looking at that from a design

46:18standpoint. Uh the second is

46:20organizational and funding frameworks.

46:22That's really more about how the

46:24department operates. Um how we do cost

46:26recovery, capital reserve, things like

46:28that. Um so that's really just some

46:30staff and consulting costs. Uh Markham

46:33the park out there. Again, this is uh

46:36that's more [clears throat] of a a

46:37design and try to determine what's

46:39there. As you know, we own some of those

46:41properties. We do not yet own all of

46:42those properties. Uh we're in regular

46:44contact with the family. Um, we believe

46:47that when they decide to sell that we'll

46:49be able to make an arrangement with

46:50them, but I can't tell you if that's

46:52tomorrow or if that's five years from

46:54now. So, you know, we've made good

46:56investment out there. I still think

46:57that's been wise. We own enough property

46:59there that I think we we generally have

47:01the ability to control out of that. Uh,

47:03and we have a good relationship with the

47:05family. It's just that they're not ready

47:06to sell. So, I think we have opportunity

47:09there for probably your next significant

47:11park. Uh, Pew House has always been on

47:14the list. So that appears on there for

47:16potential renovation and how it might

47:18play into a cultural campus of sorts. Uh

47:21greenway and trail master planning and

47:23initial connections. So opportunities to

47:25expand our greenway system and really

47:27further connect western Wake County. Um

47:29you know we already do that to an extent

47:30with Kerry and there's lots of other

47:32opportunities to do that. So again

47:34that's really the planning side of it

47:35versus any construction. And then

47:38finally uh recreation center site

47:40development. If you were to reach that

47:42point, that would be the start of some

47:44construction there. Uh we'll share with

47:46you that there were 32 facilities and

47:49amenities considered as a part of this

47:51study. Uh and Cricut scored number 32 on

47:54that list for transparency. Um now

47:57again, I think there's a couple ways to

47:59look at that. One could be a lack of

48:01interest, but the other side of that

48:02could be we have a cricket field and

48:04people think it's a great field and and

48:06it is. Um, so they may not have

48:08acknowledged that as a priority because

48:10we have one and you see that with other

48:11facilities and amenities as well. Uh,

48:14the draft marks, excuse me, the draft

48:16parks master plan again is currently

48:18being reviewed. Um, that'll be presented

48:20to council at a future meeting. Um, and

48:23so the priority column really reflects

48:25the consultants opinions and does not

48:27necessarily indicate where that will end

48:29after there's feedback from parks and

48:31wreck advisory and again from of course

48:33from council. So that is the the parks

48:36and back master plan information that we

48:38have for you today.

48:40Again spoke a little bit about the

48:42hospitality tax impact. Uh we received

48:44the $2 million grant. That's a

48:46reimbursement grant. So we have not yet

48:48applied for or received any money from

48:50that. We will not do that until the

48:51project is substantially complete. Uh it

48:54does require construction contracts

48:56signed by July of next summer. Uh so

48:59that could comply with a schedule to if

49:01you were to elect to delay a year um

49:04they would probably be working on it in

49:05advance of that. Um we saw that this

49:07time where we had to go back out a

49:09second time. So we would certainly uh be

49:11a little ahead of that to make sure that

49:13there was a contract in place if you

49:15elected to delay a year. Uh and we're

49:18okay with the agreement because it

49:19doesn't require substantial completion

49:21until July 7th of 29. So, if you delay a

49:24year, we're still well within that

49:25window and would be reimbursed upon

49:27completion. And as I mentioned, if you

49:29only do the lighting, we could go back

49:31to them and ask them to reconsider the

49:33request.

49:36So, maintenance and operations

49:38considerations. Um, a little more detail

49:41from what I alluded to earlier. Um,

49:43really the day-to-day maintenance

49:44requirements don't change significantly

49:46with the renovation. It just makes it so

49:48it'll dry out a little bit quicker. you

49:50know, there's two more pitches, but

49:52again, our staff is really, really good.

49:54Lance is here, Kevin is here. Um, in

49:57terms of maintaining that, you know,

49:58curating that, they do an excellent job

50:00with that. If you're ever out there and

50:01see that, you know, we get a lot of

50:03positive remarks on that from players

50:05and teams. Um, again, the primary

50:07savings here is the rain event recovery.

50:10Um, so the improved drainage reduces the

50:12staff time that's needed to prepare the

50:14fields because they're not having to do

50:15as much with either blowers or trying to

50:17get the field squeegeeed off or cleaned

50:19off or whatever that may look like. You

50:21know, right now rain recovery can

50:23require four to six staff and and they

50:25have to work 8 to 12 hours. I mean,

50:26that's a full day of the entire team

50:29plus uh trying to do that. Uh, again,

50:32that can be as much as $2,800 a day in

50:34staff time to make that happen. And

50:37again, if it's heavy rain, it may have

50:38to sit a day before they can

50:40realistically even attempt to dry that

50:42field off.

50:45So, before we get away from that, also

50:47want to share um got this information

50:49after the presentation was completed,

50:50and Matt, please correct me when I'm

50:52wrong. Um we looked at tarps to

50:55potentially cover this field as an

50:56alternative to necessarily having the

50:58drainage installed. Um I think the short

51:01answer is that it's not practical for

51:03us. um we would probably have to

51:05purchase multiple tarps um because we

51:07don't have the capacity to do one big

51:10tarp like they do in Major League. You

51:11know, first of all, we wouldn't have the

51:13staff to necessarily manage it and more

51:14importantly, we don't have anywhere to

51:16store it. Um if we did try to do this,

51:18it would be a series of smaller tarps.

51:20They would probably cost over $100,000

51:22upfront and then of course you'd have to

51:24replace those over time. Um, but it

51:26could be very very work intensive

51:28because of the number of tarps you would

51:30need and you know we can add some staff

51:33on some occasions but generally speaking

51:35it's a small team that manages this for

51:38us. So without stopping all other public

51:40works work to bring everybody out there

51:42and even then it's it's I'm not sure it

51:44would be enough people to do it in an

51:46efficient manner necessarily. So with

51:48that and with the number of tarps and

51:50the inability to store those um our our

51:53opinion staff's opinion is that the

51:55tarps are unfortunately not a practical

51:57option for us as the field is structured

51:59at least today.

52:03I get everything. Okay.

52:07Uh so again I I just need to say I'm

52:09really appreciative. There's been a lot

52:10a lot of people that helped do all this

52:12work the last two weeks to get this

52:13information together. You so

52:15appreciative. I won't read you the list,

52:16but many of them are in this room and I

52:18appreciate their continued support of

52:20this. So I I think when this all boils

52:23down, you have three options that you

52:25can consider. I think option number one

52:28is approve the resolution in the CPOA

52:30for phase 2 construction. Um and that

52:33would mean the additional $1 million

52:35investment. So you would be approving a

52:37$4 million um construction project. uh

52:41that does increase but does not

52:42guarantee the likelihood of major league

52:45play in 27. Um it does offer the

52:49opportunity for Olympic warm-up matches

52:51in 27 and 28 and with that comes some

52:53revenue. Uh it certainly enhances the

52:56long-term playability of the field

52:58including rest time and I think again

53:01really important it allows additional

53:03community use of the field. So it this

53:05is not just a Cricut project. It is

53:07really an improve our park project. uh

53:10so that there's additional community

53:12use, additional access to that field,

53:14and it's a little better protected

53:16because you can imagine when that thing

53:17gets wet and stays wet, it's really

53:19tough to have people tromping on it and

53:21and do damage to it. So, the quicker it

53:23dries, the easier it is to protect. Uh

53:26again, it does require a million dollars

53:28commitment from parks reserves. Uh and

53:30you would be making this decision

53:32without having completed your discussion

53:34of the CIP uh or the parks master plan.

53:37So, that would be option one.

53:40Option two, uh, don't approve it now,

53:43um, but defer implementation for one

53:46year. Um, Mark has indicated that design

53:50could wrap up on that and then we would

53:52pause, uh, the project to potentially

53:55um, make a decision in the spring. Um,

53:57that could be going back out to seek,

53:59you know, other bids, although again, we

54:01don't know that that's going to change

54:03dramatically because everybody that we

54:04talked to says we have the right people

54:06that are bidding on this to do that

54:08work. Um, this would allow for you to

54:11consider the CIP and the parks master

54:13plan review as a component of your

54:15discussion and really your decision. Um,

54:17it reduces the likelihood of major

54:19league cricket play in 2027. It also

54:22eliminates the opportunity for Olympic

54:24warm-up matches in 27 and 28. Uh, and we

54:28do anticipate um, I think conservatively

54:30a cost increase of 5% or $200,000

54:34if you wait to start this project in the

54:36fall of 27.

54:39Option three is do not approve the

54:41resolution and do not approve this

54:43project. Basically, put it on the shelf

54:45and continue to operate the field as it

54:47sits today. Uh we will certainly still

54:50continue to deal with field conditions.

54:52Um we don't enhance the playability of

54:54the field and whether that is

54:56playability for cricket or additional

54:58community use, it would stay in its

55:00current state. um does reduce the

55:02likelihood of major league cricket play

55:04over the remainder of the last six years

55:06of that agreement. We've just completed

55:08four years of that 10-year agreement. Uh

55:11eliminates the opportunity for Olympic

55:13matches and probably any ICC matches in

55:15the future. Uh it does return a million

55:18dollars to the parks reserve. Again,

55:20this is a was intended to be a $5

55:22million project. Um and you've got that

55:25$2 million that was going to fund a

55:27portion of it. The other million of the

55:28three would go back into the parks

55:30reserve. So, there would be some money

55:32going back. Um, but again, we'd have to

55:34return the Wake County grant funds and

55:36we would make an effort to certainly try

55:38to get the $800,000 to do the 40%

55:41towards the lighting.

55:44Happy to answer questions and uh

55:47certainly have a team behind me that

55:49will help with the questions I can't

55:51answer.

55:51>> Okay, questions, comments, and

55:53discussion. We'll start with Mayor

55:54Patabody followed by Council Member

55:56Scragg and Johnson.

55:59>> I don't actually know.

56:01I'm not actually sure that this has an

56:03answer, but first of course I'd like to

56:05thank the team. I know that they really

56:08went above and beyond in the preparation

56:09of this report. You know, it's only what

56:1315 slides, but I know that tons of work

56:16goes into every slide. Um, so when the

56:21I'm trying to understand the if there's

56:23a long-term effect on the field when it

56:27gets rained on, stays wet, gets cleaned

56:31off, or gets rained on for six days in a

56:33row, and then, you know, because I

56:38I'm concerned that the condition of the

56:40field will degrade over time,

56:44that being the case, if we leave it the

56:46way it is. And then then my concern

56:49would be that it'll cost $10 million to

56:53fix it down the road. So

56:57I'd be interested in any info we have on

56:59that.

56:59>> So I'm going to let public works come up

57:01and and speak to that. Again, I am not

57:03the guy um to tell you about a

57:05maintenance of a field. Um I would tell

57:07you I don't think it's $10 million in

57:09the future, but I think you know it

57:10could be a a recovery project in the

57:12future. But I'll let the more

57:14knowledgeable folks help you with that

57:16question as best they can. And I think

57:18you're right, there may not be a perfect

57:19answer to that.

57:22>> Yeah. So, we we spend time uh throughout

57:24the year maintaining the field. So, um

57:26degrading when we do get heavy rains,

57:28that's when we do come back in and do

57:30our annual uh or more than annual top

57:32dressing throughout the field and that

57:34helps replenish what's washed off um

57:36from the from the field. So, we are

57:38working towards maintaining what we have

57:40right now, but obviously improving the

57:42drainage is going to help that water um

57:44help the uh the water get through and

57:46and reduce the amount of runoff and and

57:50top dressing that we're going to have to

57:51do um more frequently.

57:55>> No, that's that's really it. Um the top

57:58dressing is helping. It's it's we're

58:01adding a sand layer, but then it's still

58:03getting to the natural clay that we

58:05have. So it's kind of still just sitting

58:07in there. So initially, yes, we get some

58:10quick drainage through the sand, but

58:12then we have the sponge effect

58:15underneath and the field will continue

58:18to degrade that soil. We can only

58:21decompact so much to try to open it up,

58:24get air in there. So it is going to

58:27continue to great. I hope not up to $10

58:29million in the future, but more than

58:32likely it will go up.

58:35Okay, I

58:38I am so torn about this because I

58:44I feel like we've already spent quite a

58:47bit of money on this that I was not

58:50anticipating spending.

58:52But the thing is that

58:56I feel like every year we delay, the

59:00price goes up and the quality of the

59:02field goes down. I know you guys are

59:04working super hard. That's not to say

59:06that, you know, you're not doing a great

59:08job. You are, but the price goes up, the

59:10quality of the field goes down, and I

59:12just I don't know. I feel like we we

59:16just might have to bite the bullet on

59:17this one.

59:19>> Thank you.

59:21>> Thank you, Council Member Spogney

59:22Johnson, followed by Council Member

59:24Johnson.

59:25>> Thank you. Thank you for these um

59:28thoughtful points because I think it's

59:30important that we lay out the story as

59:32clearly as we can with the knowledge

59:34that we do. Um and of course I came up

59:37with something that wasn't included in

59:40the presentation for a question. Um,

59:44we talk about the improvements of the

59:48drainage and adding more community

59:51activities and allowing for

59:55um, you know, more reliable field

59:59conditions for tournaments and so forth

1:00:01like that. Do we know how many canled

1:00:06events that we've had to have because of

1:00:09the condition of the field? Do we know

1:00:13how many events that are public like um

1:00:19walks or or um

1:00:22celebration events we've turned away

1:00:25because of concern about impact on the

1:00:27field that that's important to kind of

1:00:31quantify if we

1:00:32>> Sure. I I think there's two questions

1:00:33there and I may ask for a little help

1:00:35again. Um, but in terms of the the

1:00:38cancellation of events, I I think it's

1:00:41respectfully it's not just the events

1:00:43that are cancelled, but it's the events

1:00:45that don't come because they fear having

1:00:48to cancel once they're here because of

1:00:49the rain. Um, Brian, I think, could

1:00:52certainly provide us with any events,

1:00:53cricket events that have been cancelled

1:00:55because of rain over the last, you know,

1:00:57several years while we've really been

1:00:59actively using the field. I think it's

1:01:01relatively minimal, but again, that's

1:01:03because some of the events just don't

1:01:05come because of concern over the field.

1:01:08So, I think that's a piece of that

1:01:09puzzle. And then in terms of turning

1:01:12away any events, I don't believe we've

1:01:14turned away any events um because of

1:01:17trying to protect the field. And in any

1:01:19event that we have, we've generally

1:01:21helped them to find another location in

1:01:24town, often that Cedarport District

1:01:25Park, occasionally Morrisville Community

1:01:27Park, where we can help them hold their

1:01:30event where it just may not be practical

1:01:32in the park. But again, I want to

1:01:34commend staff again because they were

1:01:36able to get Batu Kama uh back in the

1:01:38park just a couple weekends ago. um and

1:01:42that was able to work and you know there

1:01:43were some protections put down on the

1:01:45field and then some other things that

1:01:47we'll we have a good afteraction report

1:01:48we'll continue to have conversation with

1:01:50them um but we were able to accommodate

1:01:52that with the protection of the field um

1:01:56any other thoughts Brian on special

1:01:58events that's okay

1:02:01>> great um my other comment is about the

1:02:05missed opportunities of events because

1:02:08of reliability of the conditions. Um, in

1:02:13my understanding, it is not just the

1:02:16field and the lights that are needed in

1:02:19order to have a largecale event. Um, we

1:02:23need dressing rooms. We need um like a a

1:02:28press booth. We need um specialty kind

1:02:32of amenities brought in in order to

1:02:35facilitate those events.

1:02:38And so I fear that the goalpost will

1:02:43continue to move and the amount of money

1:02:45and investment that we have will

1:02:48continue to move without us getting a

1:02:52profit of the large scale events. And

1:02:57that's really it's both direct and

1:02:59indirect. The indirect is the hotel

1:03:01rooms and the economic

1:03:03balance if you will when we have a large

1:03:06scale events for the region and also for

1:03:10the recovering the cost of hosting the

1:03:13event is very um really hasn't uh panned

1:03:17out yet. So, as we continue to invest,

1:03:20it's not just the field that needs some

1:03:25um

1:03:27you know, refurbishment. It's also we

1:03:30need facilities. We do have practice

1:03:33pitches now, but the dressing rooms

1:03:37are something I feel like is a barrier

1:03:40to um league play and some of the other

1:03:43things where those opportunities because

1:03:45the players don't have really good

1:03:47reliable um facilities in order to

1:03:50practice andor

1:03:53um be present in those conditions. So

1:03:56I know we're we are just evaluating the

1:04:00field but that's my thinking is like

1:04:04what's the next you know uh assumption

1:04:07what's the next spend? It's not once and

1:04:09done in the field and then we're good

1:04:11and then everybody comes and everybody

1:04:12plays.

1:04:14There's another shoe that's going to

1:04:16drop. And so, um, I'm a little hesitant

1:04:20about how much more is this going to be

1:04:24before we really do get the momentum

1:04:27that we want from this field. And I

1:04:29really do want our local teams, our

1:04:32local players, the public that has

1:04:35special events to enjoy the field. So, I

1:04:37think the drainage makes sense, but it's

1:04:42not the cost of just the four million to

1:04:44make this usable. it is higher than that

1:04:47and that's where I have great pause.

1:04:50Thank you.

1:04:51>> So I think you're you're not wrong at

1:04:53all. Um and again you saw some of that

1:04:55in the BDP study that we commissioned.

1:04:58Now again I think that that you know

1:05:00gave you sort of a part one and then a

1:05:02part two which really really changes

1:05:06that park to the good. I mean it creates

1:05:08a lot of amenities. It creates a lot of

1:05:09community assets. Um but I I think I

1:05:12mentioned earlier if I didn't I

1:05:14apologize. Yeah, there is still a desire

1:05:16for particularly locker rooms. I think

1:05:18that's the biggest ask. Um there are

1:05:21some options that we could consider for

1:05:23that that would not be overly expensive.

1:05:26They make some portable units. Council

1:05:27member Garamela has shared some of that

1:05:29previously. Um it's it becomes a

1:05:32question where do you put them and what

1:05:33do you potentially displace at the park?

1:05:36How does that work? Um, so there is

1:05:38opportunities for that. And then again

1:05:40there, you know, we we certainly could

1:05:41do some smaller spaces for a medical

1:05:44room, an officials room, a media room,

1:05:47things like that. So it doesn't

1:05:50necessarily mean that the larger events

1:05:53won't come. It does more impact the

1:05:55revenue stream when those large events

1:05:58come if you have to spend all that money

1:06:00to bring in the temporary facilities. So

1:06:03that is certainly something that can be

1:06:05discussed in the future. I think that

1:06:07the the field condition is is the key

1:06:10right now to making it more available to

1:06:13everyone and to increasing our ability

1:06:15to host events. We can still bring in

1:06:18those temporary amenities as needed. And

1:06:20yeah, I think that is a conversation

1:06:22down the road that I don't think I can

1:06:24certainly comfortably tell you if you

1:06:26spend this $4 million, we're done. I I

1:06:29don't think that's the case, but that's

1:06:31part of the ongoing conversation of what

1:06:34else do you want to have happen? what

1:06:36level of cricket play do you want to

1:06:38have? How much do you want to invest to

1:06:40see some revenue back? um because that

1:06:43would make a difference in your revenue

1:06:44investment in locker rooms and the less

1:06:46that they have to temporarily bring in

1:06:48with tractor trailers and space like

1:06:50that certainly that enhances the

1:06:52likelihood of revenue whether that's

1:06:54through our agreement with ACE primarily

1:06:56major league you know minor league is

1:06:58great they're just not necessarily

1:06:59bringing the crowds that generate that

1:07:00need but major league cricket and then

1:07:03certainly ICC international cricket

1:07:05council events and if we were to see

1:07:06some of the USA cricket events those

1:07:09would also be where they would want

1:07:11generally those amenities and it's a

1:07:13question of do you at some point in the

1:07:14future build them or do you you know

1:07:17just continue to bring them in. I think

1:07:19that is also another opportunity to

1:07:21discuss some sponsorship um or a

1:07:23partnership to do some of that. We we

1:07:26touched on that lightly when we talked

1:07:27about the BDP study that if you look at

1:07:30the high end of that BDP study that

1:07:32would have to have partners probably

1:07:34plural to be able to do that level of

1:07:37investment by the town. Um I don't know

1:07:39that we could ever individually do the

1:07:42high end of that or even you know which

1:07:43was over hund00 million or even the

1:07:45first I think we were between 20 and $25

1:07:47million. You know that's a significant

1:07:50investment that may call for partners

1:07:52and others that would be willing to

1:07:54support that.

1:07:57>> Thank you

1:07:58>> council member Johnson followed by

1:08:00council member Garamela please. So, I I

1:08:02am really pleased that I get to follow

1:08:05um Mayor Pro Timraati and Council Member

1:08:08Scraven Johnson because I could echo the

1:08:11same um thoughts and questions and

1:08:14struggles and um and how torn I am over

1:08:18this and I kind of spoke to that at our

1:08:21last meeting. Yep.

1:08:22>> How um not happy to be here. Um, but of

1:08:28the three options we have ahead of us,

1:08:31um, the option to delay a year is just

1:08:35off the table for me. Um, if we're going

1:08:37to delay a year, we might as well do it

1:08:39now. Delaying a year is not going to

1:08:42make it any less expensive. So, that

1:08:44that is not an option for me. Um, the

1:08:48last time we talked I I brought up the

1:08:50fact that the there was a third option

1:08:53to do nothing and kind of cut our losses

1:08:56and move on. And so I have thought about

1:08:58that a lot and I've struggled with this

1:09:01a lot. And I appreciate um that everyone

1:09:04is here quite frankly and able to answer

1:09:07questions and I appreciate all the

1:09:09thought that went into the presentation

1:09:11tonight. Um and I really appreciate uh

1:09:14Mayor Pardraati's comment about the

1:09:16future cost to the field if we do

1:09:19nothing. Um and there is a cost to that

1:09:22and um there is also a cost to the

1:09:25public if they if we have a field that

1:09:29does not drain properly and is not

1:09:32usable to the public. And so um that

1:09:36that is something that I would like to

1:09:39rectify and I would like to make sure

1:09:42that um the field does drain properly

1:09:45that it is use used for

1:09:49as many events as we can going forward.

1:09:53I'm pleased I was at the bot lakama um

1:09:56event recently out there and all look

1:09:59well to me but you will have to tell me

1:10:01how the field was after. But I

1:10:03appreciate that you accommodated them.

1:10:05Um I I um I I do want to echo Council

1:10:10Member Scraven Johnson's comments about

1:10:13kind of the moving of the goalpost and

1:10:15kind of where does this end because that

1:10:16concerns me too. So I think um I'm

1:10:21landing uh tonight on we need to move

1:10:24forward with this. Um not happy about

1:10:27it. I'm sure you're all not happy about

1:10:28it either, but we need to move forward

1:10:30with this. And then we need to have a um

1:10:33as we move forward discussion about this

1:10:36goalpost, where does it go? Um and how

1:10:39do we make it permanent in a spot so

1:10:42that it this doesn't continue um

1:10:45especially um if there's going to be,

1:10:49you know, limited use um with major

1:10:52league cricket. That that's very

1:10:54concerning and that's a topic that we

1:10:56can talk about at at another time and

1:10:58about that agreement. But um um but

1:11:02thank you again for all of you for being

1:11:04here. Um Brandon, thank you for the

1:11:06update and information you brought us uh

1:11:08tonight and um you know I'm I'm ready to

1:11:12move on this project tonight. And I will

1:11:15mayor if I could real quickly I

1:11:16apologize mention I don't want to get

1:11:17into it right now but Frank and I are

1:11:20discussing and with with staff's input

1:11:22uh we're going to make a request to ace

1:11:24for an a third amendment to that

1:11:26agreement uh that would give us more

1:11:28flexibility in a number of areas in

1:11:30terms of how we can use it when we can

1:11:32use it. Um so we're working on that now.

1:11:35I expect we'll have that for them in the

1:11:37next couple of weeks and then we'll

1:11:39we'll certainly follow up with you after

1:11:40we get that under motion. Thank you.

1:11:43Council

1:11:45member Garamela, please.

1:11:50>> Excellent presentation and and you got

1:11:55all the information that we were looking

1:11:57for. U especially from Ace. Um,

1:12:03I'll be honest that I don't have much

1:12:06faith that we will get major league here

1:12:10because

1:12:11just from your words you're saying if

1:12:14the Washington stadium is not ready then

1:12:17they will think about it. It will be not

1:12:20ready this but by next year it will be.

1:12:24So, and and I don't blame them because

1:12:27uh you don't like for Carolina

1:12:29Hurricanes, you don't want to go and

1:12:30play somewhere else when your home crowd

1:12:34is here. So, and we don't have a home

1:12:38team. So, my assumption is pretty bleak.

1:12:43Uh even though they have given me 50/50,

1:12:45I would say like if not might be 50/50

1:12:49but in the future I don't have much

1:12:51faith on it. Um but I do have a lot of

1:12:55faith on the USA cricket um about the

1:12:59Olympics

1:13:00and because they need fields and there

1:13:05are a lot of teams that will be

1:13:07competing and cricket will be used first

1:13:09time uh in in Los Angeles Olympics. So

1:13:15uh

1:13:17we need to fix it. Yes, the costs are

1:13:20higher, but I want to include the locker

1:13:25rooms as part of this because it can't

1:13:30be after there's major constructions

1:13:33that's going on right now. If you try to

1:13:35basically do after there was so much

1:13:38damage to the field, you know, pulling

1:13:40all these things here and think about

1:13:44like you need locker rooms and I'm more

1:13:47worried about women cricket. They have

1:13:50to go like almost I would say 200 yard

1:13:54like 100 yards this way or the other way

1:13:56to go to get a restroom and that's not

1:14:00right even for them to change or to do

1:14:02anything. And uh it is not good for any

1:14:05of the teams because

1:14:08they need a shower, they need to prep

1:14:10themsel in. They have individual locker

1:14:12rooms and you have excellent $5 million,

1:14:17$7 million um ground, but no place to do

1:14:22it. So the reason I bring this up is I'm

1:14:26not interested on the phase two all

1:14:29those nice fancy pictures that we were

1:14:32shown that will cost millions and

1:14:33millions of dollars but at the basic you

1:14:37know we should have the two locker rooms

1:14:41um and plumbed and you know because my

1:14:44fear is math will come back saying okay

1:14:47we need to plum we need to basically rip

1:14:49off some of the things you're pretty

1:14:52much right Now you're ripping off the

1:14:54entire stadium ground and redoing

1:14:58everything. This is the best time if any

1:15:01pipes need to be going there. And uh

1:15:05otherwise it's expensive for us even if

1:15:08we host it and if we had to pull those

1:15:11uh temporary toilets and locker rooms

1:15:15all the money is going towards that.

1:15:18So um I've seen random u pictures of

1:15:22some locker rooms like a container

1:15:24locker rooms. You just put them on two

1:15:27places plumbed and you know water

1:15:30that will suffice for a long long long

1:15:32time even before we go to phase two. Uh

1:15:35and that is needed to be done now than

1:15:39later because

1:15:42I know everyone wants it. We don't want

1:15:45to be at a position, oh you have

1:15:47beautiful grounds, no locker rooms.

1:15:49Sorry. And and after the locker rooms, I

1:15:53think from what I know that that is it.

1:15:58I I'll be honest because we have

1:16:00practice pitches. No one can beat us on

1:16:02that. We have excellent field trained

1:16:06and we have good maintenance staff. We

1:16:08have locker rooms. We have the people to

1:16:10watch cricket. And I think uh we I'm I'm

1:16:16very very

1:16:20I would say you know it is needed.

1:16:22That's it. You know there's no other

1:16:23way. Do it now or never. Uh because and

1:16:27and after after we have the phase two

1:16:29you can take these locker rooms and put

1:16:32it in shadow park. It's a plug and play

1:16:35you know use it there afterwards. But

1:16:38those ones I think need to go as part of

1:16:40this. It doesn't need to be part of the

1:16:43I understand quantity is locked in with

1:16:46what we are doing that we have nothing

1:16:48to do with that but this can be added

1:16:50from account point of view to what needs

1:16:52to be added. So both are two different

1:16:55entities but going in the same time will

1:16:57help to you know ensure we don't have

1:17:01reconstructions again. That's that's my

1:17:03two cents.

1:17:05>> Thank you.

1:17:07>> Thank you. Um, I would say that I'm

1:17:10supportive of option one at this time.

1:17:13Um, I'd like to get that taken care of

1:17:14tonight and I'd like to have future

1:17:16discussions about whether or not we can

1:17:18piggyback a little bit and getting some

1:17:20kind of modulars going forward. But I

1:17:22for option one, I'm in favor of that.

1:17:24I'm in favor of generally looking into

1:17:26having some kind of portable locker

1:17:28rooms in the future sooner rather than

1:17:30later for the reasons mentioned. I think

1:17:32that's a good idea, but where is the

1:17:34question for me. So, I'd need staff to

1:17:37sort of bring forward something on that,

1:17:38but um I'm in favor of going forward

1:17:40with option one at this time. Um we have

1:17:42two council members who we haven't heard

1:17:44from. I think staff would appreciate

1:17:46that

1:17:47one. Uh council member Patel followed by

1:17:49council member Kesler.

1:17:51>> Uh she already went, so we're going to

1:17:53have everyone go once and then it'll be

1:17:55Mayor Pat and then council member

1:17:57Johnson for a second round.

1:18:00>> All right. So thank you grand first of

1:18:01all for the additional information that

1:18:03you brought us in front of student. So

1:18:06now I recognize the importance of the

1:18:09drainage improvements that that is the

1:18:11reason why council have previously

1:18:14approved this right uh the question

1:18:17before us today is whether we want to

1:18:20commit additional million dollars right

1:18:22that that's the question really not

1:18:25whether um drainage is important or not

1:18:28I think we all agree that it is

1:18:30important um so what I want to

1:18:33understand is now you have said that it

1:18:37uh we have enough funds in the reserves

1:18:41to uh uh to continue with this. How does

1:18:45it affect us in the future? Uh how does

1:18:49it impact the future budgets?

1:18:53So from an operating standpoint, it

1:18:56doesn't I would say that the field

1:18:58improvements don't impact future

1:19:01operational budgets. It's going to

1:19:02improve the conditions there. But again,

1:19:05I think what you've heard is it doesn't

1:19:06really change the maintenance

1:19:08requirements of what the staff would be

1:19:10doing. So we won't come back and say,

1:19:11"Oh, we need, you know, two more staff

1:19:13because we made the field nicer." So I

1:19:15don't think that impacts uh the

1:19:17operational budget going forward. This

1:19:19would be more of an impact on your

1:19:21capital improvement plan and what

1:19:23revenue what what resources you have as

1:19:26you make decisions on updating your

1:19:29five-year CIP and what projects are or

1:19:32are not included in that.

1:19:34Right. So I think uh you mentioned that

1:19:38currently rain recovery requires about

1:19:40four to six staff uh staff working what

1:19:438 to 12 hours to dry fields before the

1:19:46tournament play. That equates to 1300 to

1:19:502,800 in staff time per day. Would that

1:19:54go away or

1:19:55>> it would certainly reduce.

1:19:57>> I think it would certainly reduce. It

1:19:59would wouldn't go away. There's always

1:20:00still field and work to be done.

1:20:04Yes, but certainly there would be less

1:20:06work, less work hours, less time spent

1:20:09preparing the field when it's wet.

1:20:12>> Okay.

1:20:12>> All right. Thank you.

1:20:13>> Yes, sir.

1:20:17>> Council member Kling, please.

1:20:19>> Thank you, Brandon, for uh bringing this

1:20:22uh presentation back to us um and laying

1:20:25it out for us. Uh I had a chance to

1:20:26review it before the meeting. was very

1:20:29um very helpful in uh making my decision

1:20:32here. Um first I support the allocation

1:20:37um or option one. Um uh Church Street

1:20:40Park is uh in the Cricut field there is

1:20:43an important public asset. Um cricket's

1:20:45an important and significant part of our

1:20:47community and these improvements I think

1:20:49can expand opportunities to play and

1:20:51improve the reliability of the fields.

1:20:53But I do want to emphasize that um you

1:20:56know I believe our arrangement with ACE

1:20:58is really not a good deal for the town.

1:21:00Um my understanding is that the town is

1:21:03ultimately bearing the costs of capital

1:21:04improvements and ongoing field

1:21:06maintenance. I worry that this contract

1:21:08is pushing us to invest more and more

1:21:10into a promise that has yet to be

1:21:12realized. Public investment can create

1:21:14real value for our community, but we

1:21:17need to be careful that the benefits of

1:21:19that investment do not float

1:21:20disproportionately to a private

1:21:22enterprise. While the costs and risks

1:21:24remain with the taxpayers, the public is

1:21:27funding and maintaining the

1:21:28infrastructure that supports a private

1:21:30commercial operation. We have a

1:21:31responsibility to ensure the public is

1:21:34receiving a fair return. I don't believe

1:21:37though that means we should abandon the

1:21:39project. I think we can agree that the

1:21:40contract is unfavorable to the town

1:21:42while also recognizing that the facility

1:21:44has lasting value for our residents. I

1:21:47am minimally considering the ACE

1:21:49contract, the Olympics training, the

1:21:51other cricket organizations that we

1:21:52could partner with, the revenue

1:21:53potential, those are nice to haves, but

1:21:55I don't think that we should be we

1:21:57should be using those to justify further

1:21:59investment in cricket uh Church Street

1:22:02Park. Um I think we should primarily

1:22:04focus on expanding access to our

1:22:06residents, supporting community life,

1:22:08and ensuring that the people who

1:22:09collectively fund these facilities are

1:22:11not simply subsidizing a private

1:22:13commercial commercial enterprise. Um,

1:22:16but I do believe the long-term community

1:22:18benefits of completing these

1:22:19improvements justify this all

1:22:20allocation. But I hope that we can learn

1:22:22from this contract and ensure that

1:22:24future agreements better protect the

1:22:25town's financial interests and the

1:22:27public's investment in the future. Thank

1:22:30you.

1:22:32Thank you very much. Everyone's had a

1:22:34chance to make their comments and share

1:22:35their thoughts. At this time, we'll have

1:22:36a second round for anyone who wishes.

1:22:38Uh, Mayor Petro, please followed by

1:22:40Council Member Scari Johnson.

1:22:42>> Yeah, this is quick. Um, I just want to

1:22:45know do we have any idea about costs of

1:22:48the temporary units and would would the

1:22:53is there any way that we could get the

1:22:57temporary units at the same time like

1:23:00sometime within the next year that

1:23:03fields will open because I do think that

1:23:06temporary buildings with additional

1:23:08bathrooms with you know I think that

1:23:10that's a net good anyway for the park

1:23:13and

1:23:15it's even possible that there if there's

1:23:17going to be meeting space in there, we

1:23:19need meeting space so badly, you know.

1:23:23So, I just I'm just wondering what's the

1:23:26do you have like a ballpark idea of what

1:23:28that might cost?

1:23:30>> So, first let me just I want to be make

1:23:33sure we're on the same page. There's not

1:23:34going to be meeting space involved with

1:23:36this. This is going to be locker rooms

1:23:38is what I would suggest we would do. the

1:23:40the challenge we have is not necessarily

1:23:43locating a a either a prefab or even

1:23:46constructing something. Um the the

1:23:48struggle is where do we put it and if we

1:23:50have to displace something what do we

1:23:52displace and where does that go? Um you

1:23:54know we had some early conversations

1:23:56about that of you know there's there's

1:23:58some space where the playground is but

1:24:00you know a community park needs a

1:24:02playground. Um you know we need to do

1:24:04some work to the tennis courts at some

1:24:05point. Do you displace those tennis

1:24:07courts to another park and use that

1:24:09space to put the lock I there's a lot of

1:24:11options there to consider. I believe

1:24:14that um that the one example that we've

1:24:16looked at is what council member Gary

1:24:17Mel has shared. I believe that the

1:24:19structure was around $50,000. Now again

1:24:22that's the structure that's before we

1:24:24push a piece of dirt, put a pipe in the

1:24:26ground, do any of that. Um so I would be

1:24:28hesitant to even guess what that's going

1:24:31to look like. We can certainly come back

1:24:32to you with some reasonable estimates of

1:24:35what that looks like. Um I think there's

1:24:37two pieces of that. There's the

1:24:38philosophical piece of where do you put

1:24:40them and what do you move and then

1:24:41there's the what's the actual cost and

1:24:43can we get that done uh in a reasonable

1:24:45amount of time i.e. could we get it

1:24:48ready for summer of 27 assuming that you

1:24:51all elect to move forward tonight.

1:24:54>> Okay. Thank you

1:24:56>> council member Johnson please.

1:25:00So, thank you um Council Member Garamela

1:25:04for kind of taking on the uh challenge

1:25:09of the lock rooms because I think it

1:25:11started us all thinking about

1:25:14feasibility and so forth like that. Um,

1:25:18I would say that the plumbing or the

1:25:22underground work to support temporary

1:25:25trailers or semi-permanent trailers

1:25:28should be done at the same time as the

1:25:31drainage work because underground work

1:25:34is better done once than twice. We do

1:25:37this with our roads. You know, it's

1:25:39better to make a four-lane road than a

1:25:42two-lane and then expand it to a

1:25:43fourlane. So I would think that the

1:25:46analogy holds true here. I know that

1:25:48there's some exploration

1:25:51of where would you put certain assets

1:25:54and that is not decided. So you can't

1:25:56just slap in infrastructure. I I get

1:26:00that. But I think it is important to

1:26:02explore it

1:26:05very quickly so that we can get some

1:26:09ROI.

1:26:11So we can certainly do our best on that.

1:26:14I I don't disagree at all. The time to

1:26:15do it is all together. That may pose us

1:26:18a challenge because of the urgency of

1:26:20getting the construction going to have

1:26:21the field ready for next summer. Um we

1:26:24also have um some storm water

1:26:26limitations on that property um that we

1:26:29would have to potentially address. Um

1:26:31and there's also you know the the

1:26:33challenge of working in the park is also

1:26:35just as a reminder it's not in town.

1:26:38It's an RTP, so approvals have to

1:26:40sometimes, depending on what it is, go

1:26:42through RTP, and then of course, um, a

1:26:44lot of the permitting has to go through

1:26:46Wake County. Uh, so that certainly adds

1:26:48a little bit of time to it. I mean,

1:26:49they're generally good partners. They

1:26:51will help us, you know, move things

1:26:52along, but we can ask nicely, whereas

1:26:54here, we can pretty much say this needs

1:26:56to be done now with our staff. So,

1:26:58that's a little bit different. Um, so I

1:27:00think we could do our best to at least

1:27:02get back to you with what that could

1:27:03look like, but I think we would have to

1:27:05do that in the context of moving forward

1:27:08with the field improvements and then

1:27:10starting to study what the locker rooms

1:27:12could look like and how quickly that

1:27:14could happen and then what that cost is.

1:27:16And of course, you'd have to we'd have

1:27:18to identify, you know, funding sources

1:27:19for the for that as well.

1:27:22>> So, how much does it cost to rent those

1:27:25for a major event?

1:27:27I I don't have a

1:27:28>> Well, I know I'm not asking you to like

1:27:31really tell me the number, but that's

1:27:34the question that we're trying to answer

1:27:37ultimately is renting something that has

1:27:40to be brought in for an event. Even if

1:27:42we do the drainage fields, that cost has

1:27:45to be provided in order for large scale

1:27:48events to occur. Blocker rooms have to

1:27:51be available. So, you know, investing in

1:27:56semi-permanent is probably around the

1:27:58same cost as some of these um you know,

1:28:03improvements that we're going to make. I

1:28:05I just sense that it's really expensive

1:28:08to get the temporary um facilities.

1:28:12[clears throat]

1:28:12>> Yeah, it it certainly is not cheap. And

1:28:14again, that's that's part of what eats

1:28:16into what would be any sort of revenue

1:28:17share. But if you give us a little time,

1:28:19we can certainly get back to you and

1:28:21give you an idea of what a better quick

1:28:24summary of some initial information

1:28:26around what the locker rooms might look

1:28:27like, where they might go, how that

1:28:29might work. But again, want to emphasize

1:28:31we need to do that in the context of

1:28:32again assuming you all wish to proceed

1:28:34tonight. Don't want to make that

1:28:35assumption, but should you, uh, that's

1:28:37got to go. Um, we've got to go now with

1:28:40that. And they've got to get out there

1:28:41and start digging so they can get that

1:28:43work done. and then we will jump into as

1:28:45as soon as we practically can looking at

1:28:48what the locker room options might be.

1:28:52>> Okay. Thank you.

1:28:53>> Thank you.

1:28:56>> Okay. I'd like to recognize council

1:29:00member Garo, please.

1:29:03Yeah, Brandon, I think two times you

1:29:05said

1:29:07from where I see like you know I think

1:29:11you'll get a support from assuming all

1:29:13the people hearing uh to move forward

1:29:17but don't consider this as a separate

1:29:22project because stopping and everything

1:29:23is so critical you know because all have

1:29:26to be you know tied together the drains

1:29:29and all those things. So um that is my

1:29:32most important thing you know finding a

1:29:34place you guys are the expert are the

1:29:38current takeout places can also be done

1:29:41some kind of a thing the same places to

1:29:43put two um like u containers there but

1:29:48that is going into engineering not my

1:29:51forte but I think it needs to go and it

1:29:55has it needs a serious uh consideration

1:29:58because I think we'll lose a good

1:30:01opportunity. That's not

1:30:03>> No, I agree. I just I just want to think

1:30:05be clear that the challenge is that if

1:30:08we need to pause the renovations to

1:30:11determine the locker room, we're going

1:30:12to lose 27. What I'm saying is both can

1:30:15go parallel is don't stop what you're

1:30:18doing because you already have a plan of

1:30:20action of what you're going for but with

1:30:23a foresight of what is needed so that

1:30:27that is not over overlooked is what I'm

1:30:30saying.

1:30:31>> I understand what you're asking.

1:30:32>> Yeah, let's

1:30:33>> I think there's a strong desire to have

1:30:36it be concurrent as much as possible. Um

1:30:38but option one seems to be pretty well

1:30:40supported here. Uh Council Member

1:30:41Kessle, please.

1:30:43So, I'm not in favor of the concurrent

1:30:46locker room um field upgrades. Um

1:30:48certainly one thing with the drain if

1:30:50we're talking about storm water versus

1:30:51sanitary on that. Yes, there's storm

1:30:53water involved with lockers and whatnot,

1:30:54but um I don't think at this time it's

1:30:58as easy to just slap that onto the um

1:31:03you know, throw that into the plans. Um

1:31:06and certainly in due time if it was um

1:31:10you know, worth worth considering. Um,

1:31:12like I was talking about in my first

1:31:14comment, um, I don't think that we

1:31:16should be, it's a bad contract. We

1:31:18shouldn't be trying to bend our bend

1:31:19over backwards to appease this contract.

1:31:22Um, I don't think if this is the last

1:31:25thing that we did was these field

1:31:27upgrades until um,

1:31:30uh, until the contract is is um, run

1:31:34out. I I'm not convinced that that's a

1:31:36bad option. Um, so I just wanted to get

1:31:40that input.

1:31:43Thank [clears throat] you. I think in

1:31:44the for what it's worth category

1:31:46understand that concern. I do understand

1:31:47the concern with trying to do things to

1:31:49appease the ACE agreement. I would say

1:31:51in this case it's going to open more

1:31:53doors for us in terms of some of the ICC

1:31:56opportunities, the USA cricket

1:31:58opportunities as well. But but I

1:31:59understand where you're coming from.

1:32:01Thank you.

1:32:03>> I don't see any other comments or

1:32:05questions. So, I think if we can bring

1:32:07the motion up to the screen, that might

1:32:09be something we can move forward with.

1:32:13>> We did not have a motion slide just

1:32:15because we weren't sure which way we

1:32:16were going. But if whoever wants to make

1:32:18the motion just read this top paragraph

1:32:20there, that should suffice.

1:32:22>> Okay. See like Council Member Johnson up

1:32:25here to be ready to make a motion.

1:32:27>> So, I have the resolution in front of

1:32:28me. So, I'll read from the resolution.

1:32:30Um, and make motion to approve

1:32:32resolution 2026-33

1:32:36333 33-0

1:32:39of the Morrisville Town Council

1:32:41authorizing phase two of the design bill

1:32:43delivery method for the Church Street

1:32:45Park cricut field reconstruction

1:32:47project.

1:32:49>> I'll second motion from Council Member

1:32:51Johnson, a second from Mayor Petroati.

1:32:53All those in favor, please say I.

1:32:55>> I. Any opposed?

1:32:58Okay, that carries tanously. We thank

1:33:01staff for all a lot of our work. Thank

1:33:03the council for um really good

1:33:06discussion that brought some important

1:33:07points forward.

1:33:08>> Thank you.

1:33:09>> Council, if you will also motion to

1:33:11approve the CPOA.

1:33:13>> Okay, you have that up.

1:33:14>> Thank you.

1:33:15>> Or can you put that on screen for us,

1:33:16please?

1:33:17>> I can I have that in front of me, too.

1:33:20Okay, I make Thank you, Kayla. I make a

1:33:22motion to approve capital project

1:33:24ordinance amendment 2026-333-0

1:33:28of the Morsville Town Council amending

1:33:31the parks capital project fund

1:33:33ordinance.

1:33:34>> I'll second

1:33:35>> motion council member Johnson a second

1:33:37from Mayor Pet. All those in favor

1:33:38please say I.

1:33:39>> I. Any opposed?

1:33:43>> Hearing none that carries unanimously as

1:33:44well. Thank you very much Miss Birdling.

1:33:46So before we leave this item, mayor, if

1:33:48I could, um I don't think there's

1:33:51complete consensus. I want to confirm

1:33:52there is consensus at least amongst

1:33:54council that we proceed with beginning

1:33:56to research locker room options and

1:33:58possibilities.

1:34:00>> Yes. Yes.

1:34:02>> If not, it's on at least five, I think.

1:34:05So, okay. Thank you. We'll we'll dive

1:34:06into that and we'll get back to you as

1:34:08soon as it's practical as to what that

1:34:09looks like. And one thing I want to say

1:34:11about that is it seems like the field is

1:34:13in the middle and we already have

1:34:15plumbing on both sides. So I don't see

1:34:19unless there's a real need to have new

1:34:21piping through the field underneath. I

1:34:25think those can be kind of separate.

1:34:27>> It's capacity.

1:34:29>> It's capacity too. But I mean I'm not

1:34:30sure where our storm water and our

1:34:32>> Yeah. Let us let us start digging into

1:34:34that and we'll come back to you with

1:34:35some answers.

1:34:36>> Did you mean to say digging? Yes.

1:34:38>> Yeah.

1:34:38>> Okay. Just checking. Okay, thank you

1:34:40very much. Good discussion. Um,

1:34:44now we are num number 11. For a full

1:34:46listing of our events, please see the

1:34:48town calendar at www.morrisvillec.gov.

1:34:52As I already mentioned, we do have Boo

1:34:53Bash coming up this Thursday from 6:00

1:34:55to 8 Morrisville Community Park. So,

1:34:57please join us for that. Moving on to

1:34:59council comments at this time. Council

1:35:01member Johnson will share first and

1:35:02we'll be followed by Council Member

1:35:03Patel.

1:35:04>> So, I have no comments tonight. Thank

1:35:06you. Council member Mattel followed by

1:35:08council member Kesling please.

1:35:11>> Sorry I just want to thank the uh staff

1:35:14for organizing the Diwali uh event

1:35:18earlier this month and um

1:35:21u that's it. Thank you

1:35:23>> council Kessen followed by myself.

1:35:26>> I want to also thank that for the um the

1:35:29wall event and uh also remind folks um

1:35:33to get out and vote.

1:35:35>> Very nice. Uh I'll share now followed by

1:35:38Amir Petrabody. Um I want to share that

1:35:40we were honored to welcome the US

1:35:42ambassador to Switzerland this past week

1:35:44alongside Novartis. We are proud to

1:35:46partner with many companies who are

1:35:48advancing research for everyone.

1:35:50Election day is next Tuesday. Please

1:35:52vote for your future and that of your

1:35:53children and I will be at the boot bash.

1:35:58So please join us and have a lot of fun

1:36:01this upcoming Thursday.

1:36:04Next is member body followed by council

1:36:06member scaring Johnson.

1:36:08>> It's hard to follow the guy with a

1:36:09lightsaber. Um yes. Uh echoing what

1:36:14council member castling said, vote as if

1:36:17your future depended on it because it

1:36:19does. Early voting ends on Saturday, not

1:36:23on Sunday. So if you're going to vote

1:36:25early, you have to get there by

1:36:26Saturday. Thank you. Council member

1:36:30Johnson, followed by uh Council Member

1:36:32Johnson.

1:36:33Please,

1:36:34>> I would just like to say that um voting

1:36:37is important. It raises your voice. It

1:36:40shares your um hopes and dreams for

1:36:44brighter future. And I hope to see you

1:36:47at the polling location if you haven't

1:36:49already early voted. So, thank you,

1:36:52>> Council Member Johnson, followed by

1:36:53Council Member Garella.

1:36:56>> Okay, you already called on me, but I

1:36:57still have no comment. Did I not Did I

1:37:00>> Oh, no. I see um

1:37:02Johnson came to a different line. So I

1:37:05thought it was a separate Johnson.

1:37:06>> So you are correct. Still no comments.

1:37:09Okay. Uh mayor council member Gar.

1:37:13>> No I think

1:37:15100% agree you know go out and vote. Um

1:37:19sometimes I feel with the early voting

1:37:21there's long lines you know doing on

1:37:23November 3 itself because the schools

1:37:25are less lines. Uh but you know whatever

1:37:29make a plan do it. Uh thanks to staff

1:37:32for accommodating Batgama. You know it

1:37:34was uh uh it rained a day before it was

1:37:39I was a little worried about it how the

1:37:42performance of the you know grounds will

1:37:44be or will it act different u but I

1:37:47think it really came out good. Um and uh

1:37:52my main um Diwali was pretty well done

1:37:57and it had a lot of crowd. The only one

1:37:59thing I would say was this is not for

1:38:05Diwali in particular but the kids are

1:38:08the families are walking all the way

1:38:10from Marshall Carpenter you know to

1:38:14community park. So that distance is way

1:38:18too much you know like if we could run

1:38:20some shuttles back and forth within

1:38:23those inner loops or something like that

1:38:26it will be good because you know I I'm

1:38:28seeing like all people not able to walk

1:38:32stay for some time and then go the

1:38:34distance is just too much that's just a

1:38:37thought.

1:38:38>> Thank you.

1:38:40>> Thank you Mayor Zuda. Anything from

1:38:42staff?

1:38:53So what you're receiving is a PowerPoint

1:38:57slide that was posted at the NextGen

1:39:00Life Sciences conference in the

1:39:03Washington sorry.

1:39:06So, what you have is a PowerPoint slide

1:39:09uh that was posted as part of a

1:39:10presentation this week at the NextGen

1:39:13Life Sciences Conference that's

1:39:14happening in the District of Columbia.

1:39:17Um, and this was Tiffany's not even at

1:39:19this conference. She's at a different

1:39:21conference um supporting us, but I

1:39:23thought it was really important that you

1:39:25see how we've got how she like I've done

1:39:28anything. She has gotten us onto the

1:39:30national stage. So she wasn't even at

1:39:32this conference but this is Novartis uh

1:39:35talking about speed to market and just

1:39:37for the audience what it says is uh

1:39:40Morsville special conditional use permit

1:39:43um manufacturing process required

1:39:45building height variance and use of

1:39:46outdoor tanks FAA nearby development

1:39:49engineering constraints were all factors

1:39:52the town laid out timing of plan and

1:39:54process appeared seamless to the public

1:39:57and local MVP Tiffany Superwoman McNeel

1:40:01director of economic development for the

1:40:03town of War Morrisville.

1:40:05>> So, lot of good things happening in town

1:40:07and and Tiffany is involved a lot of

1:40:09those. Amelia is in the back. Amelia is

1:40:12also involved in a lot of those. You'll

1:40:13hear from her in a few minutes. Um, I

1:40:15just thought it was important to share

1:40:16that with you. Thank you.

1:40:19>> Thank you very much. Really appreciate

1:40:20it. Um, we're moving to work sessions at

1:40:23this time. You want to stand at the

1:40:25table for this, sir?

1:40:27>> Yeah. Shall we take a 15-minute break as

1:40:29we head down? Okay, we're going to take

1:40:31a 15 minute break break. Please

1:40:34reconvene at 42

1:58:49Thank you, Kayla.

1:58:52Um the first the first update we want to

1:58:54cover is just give you an overall

1:58:56construction progress. Um I would like

1:58:58to just ask uh Mark to give us that

1:59:01overall construction um update in

1:59:03addition to the videos that you see in a

1:59:06monthly basis.

1:59:07>> Uh good evening council members. Uh

1:59:08thank you Jazelle. Uh so we've basically

1:59:11have made a considerable amount of

1:59:12progress at town center on the park side

1:59:15of the project. U many may have been

1:59:17driven by and seen but we've we've

1:59:18completed pretty much all the

1:59:20underground infrastructure work all the

1:59:21water sewer uh storm drainage work that

1:59:24feeds Fox Drive and that will eventually

1:59:26feed some of the buildings there. Uh you

1:59:29can also see the support building

1:59:30actually is about a story high right

1:59:32now. So you've seen the block work has

1:59:34gone up. They poured the slab. They

1:59:35finished the utilities on the ground at

1:59:37that building. Uh the restroom building

1:59:39is about half a story high. So that

1:59:41that's pretty cool. that same they've

1:59:43got the slab in and they've got some of

1:59:44the underground work completed for that.

1:59:46Uh you can also see adjacent to the

1:59:49restroom and the support building. You

1:59:51can kind of start to see the uh the

1:59:53cottage retail where they're going to be

1:59:54placed and you can see the seat wall

1:59:56that goes uh from the cottage retail and

1:59:58and kind of steps down towards the

2:00:01actual uh park itself. So the the seat

2:00:04wall has actually been formed and all

2:00:06the rebar in place. So you kind of see

2:00:07that curvature and starting to take

2:00:09shape there. uh you you know it's

2:00:12starting to really take some some really

2:00:13nice shape. So uh yeah, they made

2:00:15considerable progress. We're still on

2:00:16schedule to finish in the summer of next

2:00:18year. So we're making good good strides

2:00:20to that. Um and we've been meeting with

2:00:22the contractors and our partners seeing

2:00:24development as we go along. So yeah,

2:00:26everything's going really well.

2:00:29>> Are there any questions on that update

2:00:31before I move to the next item?

2:00:33>> Oh wait, and if I could just plug that

2:00:35video one more time. uh it does get not

2:00:38because it's me but it does get a decent

2:00:39amount of views considering between one

2:00:41and 300 views each month. So people are

2:00:43actually looking at it and they're

2:00:44taking information from that. So thanks

2:00:48>> and shameless plug just feel free to

2:00:50share it on your own uh social media

2:00:52accounts so that it can continue to

2:00:54reach the community. Um so this as with

2:00:57any construction projects there is

2:00:59always some construction challenges that

2:01:02we face and there is this is the next

2:01:04update related to concrete pores that

2:01:07need to occur at different times that

2:01:10are outside of our normal operating

2:01:12hours and we have a several requests to

2:01:16be able to do some early uh concrete

2:01:18pores for the multif family component of

2:01:20the project is a complex uh building and

2:01:24they they have a need to be able to do

2:01:26some early pores. We have approved some

2:01:29of those early pores to occur set up

2:01:32starting at 5:00 a.m. and operations

2:01:34beginning at 5:30 with requiring them to

2:01:37deliver door hangers to residents within

2:01:401,000 uh feet and they have delivered at

2:01:43around 700 door hangers

2:01:46um

2:01:48170 I'm sorry 170 door hangers. I have

2:01:53uh we have not received any complaints

2:01:56as related to those particular pores.

2:01:58There have been a few that have had to

2:01:59be cancelled because of external

2:02:02challenges with the concrete plant, but

2:02:05the others have proceeded and we have

2:02:06not received a complaint. However, those

2:02:09uh they also have a need to do pores

2:02:12earlier than 5:00 a.m. and those are for

2:02:151 and 3:00 a.m. I would like to ask Mark

2:02:17to uh just share a little bit more as to

2:02:20why do they need to do a 1 and 3:00 a.m.

2:02:24for and some of the the research that he

2:02:26has done as to what some of the other

2:02:28municipalities around us do when they

2:02:30have construction like this that is an

2:02:32infield development within an area that

2:02:35is surrounded by residential which is uh

2:02:37some of the the feedback that we have

2:02:40given to the contractor that we need to

2:02:42be mindful of the residents that leave

2:02:44around the project. So Mark can you just

2:02:47uh give us more information on that?

2:02:48>> Sure thing. So, uh, we've had lengthy

2:02:51discussions with the the contractor, um,

2:02:54and we've done some our own research as

2:02:55well. I mean, the type of building that

2:02:57they're building there has post-tension

2:02:59slabs. Uh, those type of slabs based on

2:03:01the way they they are placed, by the

2:03:03way, the concrete is placed. Uh, the

2:03:05timing factors, um, the the concrete has

2:03:08to meet certain mix requirements, things

2:03:10of that nature, and the size of the

2:03:12pores, the amount of concrete they're

2:03:14actually bringing to the site.

2:03:16>> Um, just require it to be different. And

2:03:18also, we're approaching times of the

2:03:20year where the temperatures start to get

2:03:21colder at night. Um, so they want to

2:03:23definitely be finishing the concrete

2:03:24work where it's the hottest part of the

2:03:26day because as it starts to drop down in

2:03:28temperature, what happens is the

2:03:29concrete takes longer to cure. Um, so

2:03:31with with all those factors, it's really

2:03:33difficult or pretty much impossible for

2:03:35them to start pouring concrete at 7 a.m.

2:03:37and finish at a reasonable time with the

2:03:39size of the pores and the type of work

2:03:41they're doing there. So, they're they're

2:03:42looking um they're they've actually made

2:03:44a request uh for a few of the fours to

2:03:46be at different times of the morning,

2:03:48early morning hours. Some as early as

2:03:491:00 a.m., uh some as early as 3:00 a.m.

2:03:51and some at 5:30 in the morning. And we

2:03:54reached out to our fellow municipalities

2:03:56to see what their restrictions were. Um

2:03:59everybody had something a little

2:04:00different. U Carrie, for example, our

2:04:03closest neighbor, they basically don't

2:04:05even really have a a permanent

2:04:07restriction. uh what they do is it they

2:04:10allow it to occur and then if they get

2:04:12complaints they feel those complaints

2:04:13through the police department and see

2:04:14how they can mitigate that but they

2:04:16don't have any initial upfront permit

2:04:18approvals that are required for them to

2:04:20to do late night early morning pores um

2:04:23Apex does allow them as well but no

2:04:25earlier than 3 in the morning that that

2:04:27was their um information they provided

2:04:29for us Garner doesn't have a restriction

2:04:32in commercial areas but if it's within a

2:04:33certain distance of residential they do

2:04:36uh provide them restrict restrict at

2:04:38that point. Um, and Wake For Wake Force

2:04:40has only gotten requests as early as 4

2:04:42a.m. which they which they've granted.

2:04:43So, um, and we know the bigger cities

2:04:46[clears throat] like Raleigh and Durham

2:04:47pretty much allowed this kind of thing

2:04:49to occur. So, they're used to more

2:04:51downtown development type of

2:04:52construction, so they're used to that.

2:04:54So, uh, we wanted to bring that to your

2:04:55attention so we can, you know, get your

2:04:57feedback and and see where we go from

2:04:58there.

2:04:59>> Um, Mark, can you talk about the the

2:05:01number of requests that

2:05:02>> Oh, yes. Sorry. Yeah, let me go over the

2:05:04details. So, they're looking for, and I

2:05:06don't have the specific dates at this

2:05:07point, but the total number of pores

2:05:09that they're looking to tap have outside

2:05:11of the normal construction hours are 11

2:05:13pores. Uh, two of the concrete pores

2:05:16would happen at 1:00 in the morning, two

2:05:18of them at 2 in the morning, three at 3

2:05:19in the morning, and four at 5:30 in the

2:05:22morning. So, um, the 5:30 in the morning

2:05:24ones, I think the manager felt

2:05:26comfortable, um, authorizing those with

2:05:29the proper requests and the proper, um,

2:05:31notifications to the residents. I think

2:05:32we wanted to get your feedback for the

2:05:34other ones.

2:05:37>> Council member Garella.

2:05:43>> So

2:05:45without understanding um like what they

2:05:48do, how much noise does it create?

2:05:51Does it go over the noise ordinance

2:05:54levels? Because I'm just trying to

2:05:57understand that before say anything.

2:06:00>> So we've attempted to get a reading. So

2:06:02the police department can do sorry noise

2:06:04readings. Um unfortunately the times

2:06:06they've been there the poor didn't

2:06:07happen. Um so we're going to get that

2:06:09the next time a pour happens. Uh we

2:06:11don't believe it will be disruptive uh

2:06:13into you know the church street towns is

2:06:15the most likely to hear that. Um you

2:06:18know the other side of Carolina pretty

2:06:20far away from that. Um but in talking

2:06:22with them we don't think it's going to

2:06:24be noise that's going to inherently wake

2:06:26people up. Um, but yeah, we're getting a

2:06:28decibel m decel meter reading the next

2:06:31time they pour.

2:06:32>> Yeah. Even if they're not any other

2:06:34place they're pouring, we can at least

2:06:36get the reading from like 10 ft, 20 ft,

2:06:3930 ft, 40 ft because I understand

2:06:46that it's their u time is of an essence

2:06:49and all the things that you said they

2:06:52had to do what they have to do, you

2:06:53know, and and there's not like a

2:06:56permit that we have to you know sign off

2:07:00on and the ordinance say like a

2:07:02discretion of the town manager in that u

2:07:05so um I feel if it is not like a

2:07:08significant I am okay you know because

2:07:12that's the reason I was asking the

2:07:14decibel meter of how much it is

2:07:16>> let let me mention so there there is

2:07:18going to be a a variance of noise

2:07:20ordinance because um when you take the

2:07:23ambient sound level at 2 am it's I'll

2:07:26just say zero. I'm not gonna it's not

2:07:27zero, but it's it's

2:07:28>> the ambient decibbles are probably like

2:07:3045 or so. And then as soon as you put

2:07:32the pump truck on, so you're going to

2:07:33have a pump truck um which more of a

2:07:37humming kind of vibratory sound. Um

2:07:39they're they actually went ahead and and

2:07:41acquired some solar lighting systems

2:07:44with with uh that they have battery

2:07:46packs, so they're able to not run the

2:07:48generators for lighting at night. So

2:07:49they've got that at least that part

2:07:51figured out. So, they're trying to

2:07:52mitigate some of the sound, but you're

2:07:53going to have some some sound that's

2:07:55going to go above the the noise

2:07:57ordinance. Um, you know, even if and

2:07:59even if the daytime, it's above the

2:08:01noise. So,

2:08:02>> I understand. I can hear the train from

2:08:06>> and the fire trucks, too. So,

2:08:11>> I have um council member Johnson and

2:08:13then council member Johnson.

2:08:17>> Thank you. I agree. the noise um is a

2:08:21consideration about impact because we

2:08:23have a noise ordinance. And I think one

2:08:27of the things that neighbors want to

2:08:29know is what is the scope of these night

2:08:33pores? You know, what is the duration?

2:08:35Is it going to be over three months, two

2:08:38months, you know, because it is going to

2:08:40affect their quality of life potentially

2:08:43um during that period of time. The other

2:08:47aspect and I have had a driveway poured

2:08:52in my um

2:08:55over my experience. It affects traffic.

2:08:59I think that's one of the considerations

2:09:02for doing some night work.

2:09:03>> That's right.

2:09:04>> Um and it also potent. It's not just

2:09:07sound, but it could be smell as well. Um

2:09:11concrete is a mixture. It's not just

2:09:15pure. It's a blend of different

2:09:17chemicals as well as um solid materials.

2:09:21So, there could be some odor to it as

2:09:23well. So, just the notification to the

2:09:26neighbors about that impact. the traffic

2:09:30is I don't know if all of the trucks

2:09:33that have the materials would be inside

2:09:36of the construction site or would they

2:09:38be needing to be adjacent to the other

2:09:42um neighborhood roads that would impact

2:09:46people's access to to leave and to um

2:09:50enter the neighborhood. I think that's a

2:09:53consideration and awareness for planning

2:09:55purposes if you do know the the

2:09:58schedule. And then the the last thing I

2:10:00have is about lighting. I don't think

2:10:03it's just the pores for this project

2:10:05that you're going to be discussing with

2:10:06us in the future. I also think that as

2:10:09schedules get more aggressive or behind

2:10:12or ahead, you're going to want to do

2:10:14night work. And night work is going to

2:10:16require lighting, which is light

2:10:18pollution as well as potential sound.

2:10:21And what approach are we going to have

2:10:25about night work being done at that

2:10:28site? And what notification can we offer

2:10:31the neighbors about awareness in a

2:10:35timely way? Because just putting um

2:10:37hangers on doors is what I know is

2:10:40required, but is there additional

2:10:41neighborhood awareness meetings that we

2:10:44could do specifically for their quality

2:10:46of life during this project? Thank you.

2:10:50Um to answer uh one of your questions

2:10:53related to um the traffic essentially

2:10:57what the trucks will do is the truck

2:10:58will come in and there may they may have

2:11:00to line up on the street as they get

2:11:02used and they come into this site and do

2:11:04the work. So we don't anticipate that

2:11:05for early pores we're going to have that

2:11:07much um a traffic that will impact our

2:11:11residents. Um it when we talk about the

2:11:15length of the impact when we say 11

2:11:17pores that is equivalent to 11 days of

2:11:21impact like each pore is a day. Um the

2:11:25only reason for which those may have to

2:11:27be extended is if for example they had

2:11:29scheduled an early pour for tomorrow.

2:11:32Something happened with the plant or

2:11:35with the pump that did not work that

2:11:37they may have to reschedu that. that

2:11:39means that the impact tomorrow did not

2:11:41occur and it's just been rescheduled for

2:11:43a different day. Um so for right now

2:11:46those are the ones that we are aware of.

2:11:48You bring up a very valid point. There

2:11:50may be other needs in the future right

2:11:52and we will take those as they come but

2:11:55for right now these are the ones that we

2:11:57are aware of. Um just and just for for

2:12:00reference, the the noise ordinance and

2:12:03the the permit um allowances allow for

2:12:06construction activities between 7:00

2:12:08a.m. and 9:00 p.m. every day. So they

2:12:10have a pretty wide open window under

2:12:12normal circumstances to work. And as we

2:12:14know with the time changing coming up,

2:12:15there's going to be lights between 5 and

2:12:179. If they work I don't think they're

2:12:18going to work till 9:00, but if they

2:12:19work beyond five, it's hard to see. So

2:12:21there's going to be some lights coming

2:12:22up real soon. That's a good point.

2:12:25Council member Johnson.

2:12:28So, this reminds me when [clears throat]

2:12:32um the work was being done on

2:12:33Morrisville Carpenter

2:12:36and not only were the residents on

2:12:38Morrisville Carpenter impacted um but we

2:12:42had complaints down on Morrisville

2:12:44Parkway because you're right in the

2:12:46evening sound travels far. So, um, and I

2:12:50I recall there were all kinds of

2:12:53concerns and complaints about noise, but

2:12:56my recollection is the biggest complaint

2:12:59was the beep beep beeping of the trucks.

2:13:02Um, that that was waking people up in

2:13:04the middle of the night. So, I'm really

2:13:07concerned, too. I understand

2:13:10the weather, the need, the temperature.

2:13:13I get all that. But um I I would I would

2:13:18I would lean to try to avoid this alto

2:13:21together. Now the 11 days, are they 11

2:13:24days in a row? Are they spread out over

2:13:27two weeks, a month? Tell me like

2:13:30>> Yeah, it's it's likely between now and

2:13:32the end of the calendar year. So it's

2:13:33spread out over the next couple months.

2:13:36>> They've already had a couple of boards

2:13:37at the 5:30 in the morning. So they they

2:13:39still have 11 to go, but they it would

2:13:41be between now and the end of the

2:13:42calendar year.

2:13:43Okay. And the residents don't know that

2:13:47it's coming. I mean, you talked about

2:13:49the door knockers that didn't have dates

2:13:51>> before each time they are required again

2:13:54to submit another door hanger. So, it's

2:13:56not

2:13:56>> these 11 times. Correct.

2:13:58>> 11 times. There'll be 11 more door

2:13:59hangers.

2:14:00>> Okay. Okay.

2:14:01>> They're always going to be notified at

2:14:02least three days ahead of time.

2:14:04>> Okay.

2:14:04>> That is coming.

2:14:06>> Okay.

2:14:06>> With the information, what time the pore

2:14:09starts and things end with the call and

2:14:11stuff like that. So,

2:14:12>> okay. And they did we we haven't

2:14:14received any calls with the contractor

2:14:15received just for information on the

2:14:17last couple ones that were um early

2:14:19morning. Somebody asked why are you are

2:14:21you pouring the concrete in front of my

2:14:22house? We told them no. And then

2:14:24somebody else thought we were replacing

2:14:25their driveway.

2:14:27>> Those [clears throat] been the only the

2:14:28only comments, inquiries, complaints of

2:14:32the 534s.

2:14:33>> That's right.

2:14:33>> Okay. Thank you,

2:14:38>> Council Member Kesley.

2:14:41So,

2:14:42how long will the pores be? Um,

2:14:51so each one is slightly different

2:14:53because they're all different yardage.

2:14:54Uh, they're anywhere from 200 yards to

2:14:57as much as 600 yards in one4. Um so

2:15:01generally they're they're starting early

2:15:02in the morning so they can be finishing

2:15:04towards the later part of the afternoon

2:15:07um earliest evening at most. So 5 6 7

2:15:11o'clock that's about 8:00 p.m. they want

2:15:13to wrap up because they're also

2:15:14concerned if they go into further into

2:15:16the night and it starts to be cool again

2:15:17and then starts to slow down the curing.

2:15:19>> So I guess

2:15:20>> finishing work becomes a problem. It's

2:15:21cold. I guess uh

2:15:26I guess what I'm getting at is maybe how

2:15:28long is the pump running? Is the pump

2:15:30running for all that time?

2:15:31>> Uh no, it's generally the first probably

2:15:35till morning time

2:15:37>> and then the rest is all finishing work.

2:15:39Um, so the the the

2:15:41loudest part of this all would be when

2:15:44the

2:15:45>> unfortunately

2:15:46>> um you'd want to fly this time

2:15:47>> because there's no other way to get the

2:15:49concrete from the where the truck can

2:15:50pull into to the actual slab. So it's

2:15:53unfortunate.

2:15:53>> Yeah. No, we and we we discussed with

2:15:55them a considerable amount of options

2:15:58Saturdays, Sundays, I mean anything to

2:16:00try to get it done during the day. We

2:16:03they they've really tried to exhaust

2:16:06every potential option. um to try to

2:16:10keep this to a minimum. Um and we we

2:16:13really tried to figure out other other I

2:16:15mean and we don't even allow Sunday

2:16:17work. We're like well maybe Sunday is

2:16:18better than you know Monday in the early

2:16:20in the morning, right? So we were trying

2:16:21to think and they they just weren't able

2:16:23to make some of those other options work

2:16:25out.

2:16:25>> Yeah. Um, I guess with the um the 1:00

2:16:30a.m. 3:00 a.m. in the morning time um

2:16:32pores, have we considered what days of

2:16:35the week

2:16:38makes sense to have those pores in the

2:16:39early morning?

2:16:41>> I don't think we have and they haven't

2:16:43officially given us the dates for those

2:16:44that they're looking for and we probably

2:16:47evaluate that a little bit more to make

2:16:48sure that made the most sense. Um I

2:16:52don't know if there's a preference. I

2:16:53didn't have a breakfast myself, but I

2:16:55don't know if there's a better day than

2:16:56not,

2:16:58>> but they haven't submitted. So, we only

2:16:59know about the dates for the 5:30 a.m.

2:17:01ones. We don't know the their specific

2:17:03dates that they're proposing for the

2:17:05larger ones at this point.

2:17:06>> Yeah. I'm just thinking that um

2:17:09folks are getting woken up on a work

2:17:12day, let's say. Yeah. You know, that

2:17:14might um that might be challenging.

2:17:16Whereas if it was a weekend then um

2:17:20>> yeah maybe Friday's better because

2:17:21they're gonna go into Saturday.

2:17:24>> Yeah, we can we can we can think about

2:17:27that.

2:17:28>> Yeah, I think some of it's also about

2:17:29just the work schedule, right? I mean

2:17:31because if they're ready to go on a

2:17:32Monday and then they have to necessarily

2:17:34wait till a Saturday that just and you

2:17:36know we're we're we're into time crunch

2:17:39just because of a a variety of factors.

2:17:42So, we want them to be able to keep

2:17:43moving because, you know, any delays

2:17:46start to cost um them money and you

2:17:49know, we're partners and then there's

2:17:50other components of this where delays

2:17:51cost us money. So, we're trying to you

2:17:54know, also keep it moving.

2:17:55>> Yeah. Pretty much as soon as they have

2:17:56the slab formed and prepared and all the

2:17:59rebars ready to go, they really don't

2:18:01want it to sit there like they want to

2:18:03finish it, pour it, and keep moving up.

2:18:05Um a number of floors they got to they

2:18:07got to do. And then uh um if for some

2:18:09reason there was a rainy event in

2:18:10between that, which I mean it's been

2:18:12pretty dry, but if there was and might

2:18:14cause some issues with that, some of the

2:18:15some of the slabs are ground level and

2:18:17they got to pull everything back out and

2:18:18reset the the base base materials and

2:18:21stuff like that. So it they need to

2:18:22basically pour as soon as they're ready

2:18:27or it makes the most sense for them to

2:18:28do that.

2:18:31>> May I pretend body?

2:18:34I think the thing is you're not going to

2:18:36make everybody happy no matter what day

2:18:38you do it. I for me like wake me up on a

2:18:42work day. I don't care. I have to get up

2:18:44early on a work day anyway. Wake me up

2:18:46on a Saturday with this and I will burn

2:18:48that site down. Like I I cannot

2:18:53understand. We are very different. Like

2:18:58I mean I just I guess my point is you're

2:19:00not going to make you're not going to

2:19:02make everybody happy. No matter what you

2:19:03do, you're going to make half of the

2:19:05people mad.

2:19:06>> So you might as well just follow the

2:19:08construction schedule that gets us there

2:19:10the fastest. Yeah.

2:19:11>> And you know

2:19:13>> and just do what's best for the job

2:19:16site.

2:19:16>> Yeah. I mean everyone in the community

2:19:19should generally have expected when this

2:19:21started that there would be so many

2:19:23conveniences. It's a downtown and um you

2:19:26know just being frank about it.

2:19:29>> Yeah. Yeah. It's going to be a nice very

2:19:32nice downtown. Urban construction

2:19:34unfortunately comes with some

2:19:36inconveniences

2:19:38>> and I would say so when the first uh

2:19:40request came in and and Mark can you can

2:19:43chime in if if you need to. When the

2:19:46first request came in, they actually all

2:19:47came in for 1 a.m. course and we pushed

2:19:50back and said uh let's take let's take

2:19:54in consideration the impacts to the

2:19:56community. We have only approved one

2:19:59other site for early concrete pores and

2:20:01that was the spark site. Their distance

2:20:04to residential is so far that even

2:20:07though they had to modify two residents,

2:20:10it really was so far that they really

2:20:11didn't have an impact. So they had

2:20:14approval but other than spark we hadn't

2:20:16approved anybody else for uh for early

2:20:19pores. So taking that in consideration

2:20:21and knowing the proximity to residential

2:20:23then we said let's let's go back to the

2:20:25drawing board and evaluate your pores.

2:20:28We can allow you to do it at 5:30 a.m.

2:20:31which is the same thing we did with the

2:20:32habad. Um we did one uh occasion in

2:20:35which we let them do 5:30 a.m. So they

2:20:38came back and said okay we can do this

2:20:39many at 5:30 and we're going to continue

2:20:42with this. They try those and what they

2:20:44are phasing is that because they begin

2:20:47at 5:30

2:20:49there are other sites that begin earlier

2:20:51those get ahead of them at the concrete

2:20:54plant. So when it comes to time for them

2:20:56they get delayed and by the time all of

2:20:58that gets delayed it just makes the

2:21:00process a lot more complex. So that's

2:21:03why they're coming back with the request

2:21:05of we really need to consider the 1:00

2:21:07am and 3:00 am. And recognizing that the

2:21:10that we are close to residential, we

2:21:12wanted to make sure that we are having

2:21:14this conversation with you all because

2:21:16as the residents start getting impacted,

2:21:18they will be definitely reaching out to

2:21:20you as well. And we definitely wanted to

2:21:22make sure that you were aware of the

2:21:24request, that you were aware of the

2:21:26reasons why, so that you are informed

2:21:28and able to answer any questions that

2:21:30you may get, but also that we can take

2:21:32in consideration any kind of concerns

2:21:33that you may have as we continue to

2:21:36evaluate this request. Um, so I from

2:21:39what I hear right now, it seems like

2:21:41there's general understanding that yes,

2:21:43it's a challenge we're just going to

2:21:44have to deal with. I didn't hear any

2:21:47absolutely not. So um from that I would

2:21:51we would just proceed and continue to

2:21:52evaluate internally and see uh the best

2:21:56that we can proceed with that and make

2:21:57sure that we are keeping the community

2:22:00informed. Does that sound correct? Okay.

2:22:04Thank you. So the next item we wanted to

2:22:08um talk to you about is um another

2:22:12challenge road closures. So there is um

2:22:16the wetland for this project was

2:22:18designed with the size necessary for the

2:22:21town center construction, but the pipes

2:22:23that lead from the site into the wetland

2:22:27were not necessarily built when the

2:22:29wetland was done because we didn't know

2:22:30exactly what the site construction was

2:22:32going to be. So as part of the

2:22:34construction of the site there are pipe

2:22:36outfalls or drainage outfalls that are

2:22:38coming into the wetland and there's two

2:22:40location which those have to cross now

2:22:42drive and they are going to need to

2:22:45install those. The size of the pipes is

2:22:47large which require a large operation.

2:22:50So uh sing proposed to close town hall

2:22:54drive for the duration of that

2:22:55installation and that closure was

2:22:57proposed to be four months due to the

2:23:00complexity of operation. We evaluated

2:23:03the request. We analyzed the impact to

2:23:06emergency response because we have a

2:23:08fire station here, police station. We

2:23:11have two schools further up the up the

2:23:13street. And we actually had um our fire

2:23:18department do a da d d d d d d d d d d d

2:23:19d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d

2:23:19d d d d d d d d d da analysis to

2:23:20evaluate what the real impact was to

2:23:22make sure that we weren't just

2:23:25overreacting but that we really had the

2:23:27the validation and um the impact to the

2:23:31fire department will add an additional

2:23:33minute to the response time which a

2:23:35minute can it's is a big deal for an

2:23:37emergency response. So taking all of

2:23:39that in consideration, we met with the

2:23:41team and we said, "Hey, the impacts that

2:23:44this will cause to the community,

2:23:46additional traffic on neighborhoods,

2:23:49obviously the the impact to emergency

2:23:51response, impact to the schools and the

2:23:53buses. we want you to go back to the

2:23:55drawing board and come back with a plan

2:23:56B that will reduce the amount of the

2:23:58closure for for this that will either

2:24:01keep one lane open for for the period

2:24:05and maybe if there are some closures

2:24:07that it will limit the closures for a

2:24:09few days instead of four months. So

2:24:12that's what they are doing right now.

2:24:13they are evaluating the options to be

2:24:16able to reduce the impact as much as

2:24:18possible and we expect that we will have

2:24:20that back within the next two to three

2:24:22weeks so that we can evaluate and um get

2:24:26back with them. So that's kind of the

2:24:28way we have um worked with that request.

2:24:31Do you all have any questions related to

2:24:34that request?

2:24:35>> Council member Caramela,

2:24:39>> why four months? What are they doing?

2:24:41you know, like you just dig a hole, put

2:24:43it high and put it back up. I I just

2:24:45don't understand why four months.

2:24:48>> I'll let Mark explain.

2:24:49>> So, yes, to to the

2:24:54>> Yes, maybe to the general public that

2:24:56that would be the perception, but uh um

2:24:59the complexity and depth that we have to

2:25:01dig to install a pipe and the and the

2:25:03size of the trench because the pipes are

2:25:05actually elliptical and they're about

2:25:08this far in diameter. So, um, based on

2:25:11that and the time it takes between

2:25:13setting the pipes from the wetland and

2:25:15making their way upwards and having to

2:25:17move material from the wetland side of

2:25:19the project to the town center side back

2:25:21and forth, it was going to be very

2:25:23difficult.

2:25:25>> Uh, it's about 120 ft from end to end

2:25:28and there's two sections they have to do

2:25:29at the same time. Um, four months is a

2:25:32is a relatively conservative figure. It

2:25:35probably would have been less time, but

2:25:36we didn't feel comfortable with any

2:25:38extended amount of time because it's not

2:25:40only the emergency services, you also

2:25:42have the detour is going to be routing

2:25:44everybody through Thornberry. So,

2:25:45there's going to be a long time where

2:25:47the traffic on town hall might be

2:25:49diverted through a residential

2:25:50neighborhood.

2:25:51>> No, I understand 120 ft, but that 120 ft

2:25:54is town hall drive only or other

2:25:57>> town hall.

2:25:58>> No, no, no. Is a inter cross-section of

2:26:01town hall is 120? Yeah, it's about 120

2:26:04ft from one. Yeah, the width of town.

2:26:06>> So that's all has to be changed or

2:26:08anything deeper than that

2:26:10>> width

2:26:11>> and then it has to go all the way down

2:26:13into the wetland on one end and then

2:26:15into town center on the other. So the

2:26:17total length is about 120 130 ft of

2:26:20pipe.

2:26:21>> It just between putting it down and

2:26:23setting it. You can't restore the trench

2:26:24that quickly and even with plates the

2:26:26the mass the width of the trench very

2:26:28difficult to set plates. Not that it's

2:26:30impossible. We're working on options.

2:26:32Um, but their first pass was they wanted

2:26:34to close the road. So, we're just

2:26:36keeping informed. Um, once we see the

2:26:39options, I'm not going to say 100% that

2:26:42it'll be open all the time. I think

2:26:43Jazelle did a good job saying there

2:26:45might be a few days here and there. So,

2:26:46we're trying to see what the best

2:26:47options are for emergency services,

2:26:49schools, the community before we come

2:26:51back and and provide. But we just wanted

2:26:53you to be a breast of what's happening.

2:26:55>> Thank you. One component that I uh did

2:26:58not mention is obviously the the option

2:27:00of just making the closure for that

2:27:03duration. It was presented because it's

2:27:05the most cost effective option. It

2:27:08allows it to be close down, work on it

2:27:10and then open it when it's done. Uh so

2:27:12they are looking at that plan B option

2:27:15and that may come back with potentially

2:27:18additional costs that may be related to

2:27:20that and potentially additional time

2:27:22because the workbook moves slower than

2:27:24just closing it down if we had a lane

2:27:26open. Just wanted to put that out there.

2:27:28We don't we don't know what the

2:27:29magnitude of that might be. Um so we're

2:27:32just hoping that that's not uh huge

2:27:35because we recognize the impact of one

2:27:37or the other are huge for our community.

2:27:40So just wanted to be very transparent

2:27:43with council to let you know these are

2:27:45the things that we have been talking

2:27:46about related to this project. I believe

2:27:49I have Mayor Collie.

2:27:53>> How far along are we on the internal

2:27:55roads? Can we get first responders to go

2:27:58through the work site?

2:28:01>> We that's one point. We actually did

2:28:03make that uh we had that discussion with

2:28:06the with the contractor that if we were

2:28:08to somehow uh reverse the movement and

2:28:10have them come through let's say Fox

2:28:12glove uh the problem is that that Fox

2:28:14glove itself cannot be completed without

2:28:17this connection to the to the wetland.

2:28:19Um so we're having trouble making all

2:28:21that work. So this this is actually the

2:28:23the crux of moving forward. We we need

2:28:25to have this connection done so that we

2:28:27the rest of the site can actually drain

2:28:29out to the wet and other way we'll be

2:28:30able to bring Fox glove online. Um,

2:28:34you know, after town hall drive is

2:28:35completed, then they're going to make

2:28:36their way up Carolina because Carolina

2:28:38from Posa up to church will be closed

2:28:40for for extended period of time while

2:28:42while they actually build that into

2:28:43this, you know, streetscape condition

2:28:45that we're proposing. There's a couple

2:28:47residents there. We're going to make

2:28:47sure they can always get in and out,

2:28:48that kind of thing. Um, but yeah, it's

2:28:50we we did look at that.

2:28:52>> You could just say no.

2:28:54>> No, it was a good option. We thought

2:28:55about that. We did think about that.

2:28:56That was a smart consideration we did

2:28:58talk about at some length.

2:29:01I see both. I'm not sure who was first.

2:29:06>> Council member Kesley,

2:29:08>> would the Indian Creek Greenway uh be

2:29:11required to be closed for this duration?

2:29:15>> No. We did ask that question whether the

2:29:17greenway will be impacted and the answer

2:29:18was no. They believe that they can stay

2:29:20clear of that.

2:29:22>> Yeah.

2:29:25>> Council member SC.

2:29:27So I um because we don't have a

2:29:29presentation tonight, I just want to be

2:29:31clear for the public as well. When we

2:29:34talk about the wetland, there is Smile

2:29:38Creek Greenway, which has some wetland

2:29:40areas, you know, because let's face it,

2:29:44we have a lot of wetlands everywhere,

2:29:46right? Um, but we're specifically

2:29:48talking about the storm water area by

2:29:51Indian Creek Greenway, which is the

2:29:54wetland, but it really was um a man-made

2:29:58storm water retention pond, which now

2:30:01doubles as the storm water relief area

2:30:05for the town center.

2:30:06>> Good point. Um,

2:30:09one thing that pops in my mind when I

2:30:11hear about closures and redirection and

2:30:15construction is our our project up the

2:30:18road with airport extension.

2:30:21Um, what is the timing on that

2:30:23finishing? What is the timeline on this

2:30:26potential closure? We we don't want to

2:30:30have two segments of Town Hall Drive

2:30:34concurrently being

2:30:36under, you know, orange alerts. Um

2:30:39because I think that

2:30:41it would not um be easy or safe for

2:30:45residents and visitors if you know the

2:30:48timing is such that um you know they're

2:30:52not done for another year, but it seems

2:30:55like they're making great progress. I

2:30:57don't know if you know about what the

2:30:59expectation is for airport.

2:31:01>> Yeah. So, I don't recall exactly when

2:31:04the completion date is proposed and I'd

2:31:06have to get back in on that. However, I

2:31:07do know that at no point are they ever

2:31:09planning a closing Town Hall Drive.

2:31:11They're going to do it in halves. So,

2:31:12there'll always be movement to Town

2:31:14Drive at airport. So, we we would be the

2:31:16only ones if we had to exercise this

2:31:18that would be closing Town Hall Drive at

2:31:19a certain segment.

2:31:21>> Oh, nice. So, there will still be

2:31:23access.

2:31:23>> There still be access.

2:31:24>> Okay. Thank you. Any

2:31:28other questions and comments on this

2:31:31potential impact?

2:31:35Okay. Well, moving on to the next item

2:31:37we wanted to discuss with you. It um

2:31:41during one of the roundt um items,

2:31:45council member Patel had brought up the

2:31:47desire of being able to incorporate some

2:31:50veterans and first responder recognition

2:31:52as part of the town center. given that

2:31:54we weren't sure about the timing of the

2:31:56Veterans Memorial and when that was

2:31:58going to materialize and the direction

2:32:00was for staff to evaluate and just kind

2:32:03of explore options as how we could do

2:32:05that in a way that it would just be

2:32:08incorporated within the town center and

2:32:11be able to be a good addition to the

2:32:13town center without necessarily

2:32:15competing with the veterans memorial but

2:32:17complementing the veterans memorial if

2:32:19it was to be constructed in the future.

2:32:21So staff has done a little a little bit

2:32:23of work. I would like to turn it over to

2:32:26uh Mark and to Brandon who have worked

2:32:29with the design team to evaluate uh the

2:32:32options and they will walk you through

2:32:34that.

2:32:37>> So I'll start a little bit um and then

2:32:39Mark can show you an image of what they

2:32:42have um proposed. So again they they've

2:32:44shown some options here on where that

2:32:46might go within the town center site. So

2:32:48each of those red arrows is sort of

2:32:50pointing out to um if you look on the

2:32:52sort of the mid left that's pointing out

2:32:55where the nope up higher. There you go.

2:32:58Thank you. That's where the sort of

2:33:00monument sign for town center is going

2:33:02to go. Um and that'll start being

2:33:04designed uh once you finalize the sort

2:33:06of branding and wayfinding of what that

2:33:08you know logo is going to be. So that's

2:33:10what's there. So we don't want to be too

2:33:12close to that. So if you then move down,

2:33:15there's sort of three areas of options

2:33:17and I believe Mark the one they've

2:33:19recommended is option three.

2:33:21>> Yes.

2:33:22>> So that would be sort of in the general

2:33:23area of where the farmers market would

2:33:26meet. It would be adjacent to the

2:33:28education garden and the building there.

2:33:30Um that's what uh Clearcapes has

2:33:33recommended. We support that recommend

2:33:35because really that's sort of your

2:33:36second main entrance into the park. So

2:33:40the first one obviously is up at the top

2:33:41in the center of the picture where the

2:33:44um misters are going to be but this is

2:33:46your secondary entrance. Uh so we felt

2:33:49that that would be appropriate. It's

2:33:50also just maybe coincidentally if not

2:33:53closer to the police department, the

2:33:54fire department. Um but it would

2:33:56certainly have a lot of visibility there

2:33:58and wouldn't be taking away really from

2:34:01anything else that's highlighted on the

2:34:03plan. Kale, if you go to the other Oh,

2:34:05yeah. Um, what I would share is that as

2:34:08as Mark talks you through this, the the

2:34:10general cost estimate of looking at

2:34:13this, um, and obviously this is a this

2:34:15is a draft of what this would be,

2:34:17there's certainly more conversation to

2:34:18have about the signage and how do we do

2:34:20that? Um, but placing this and and

2:34:23running all the necessities to it is

2:34:25probably between like4 and $50,000 to

2:34:28construct. Um, as a reminder, we have

2:34:31not any money allocated for this in the

2:34:33budget right now. Um, I would I'm

2:34:37hesitant to say it can come out of the

2:34:40um money that you approved for our

2:34:42contingency. I think we should go into

2:34:44this uh with the approach that we need

2:34:46to identify the funds for it and then if

2:34:49by any chance we didn't need that full

2:34:51contingency at the end, we could

2:34:53certainly fund it out of that. But today

2:34:55I would say we're just starting to have

2:34:56conversations about what that

2:34:58contingency might get into. Um so I'm

2:35:00going to suggest that if you're

2:35:02supportive of this approach that we

2:35:04would move forward um and that we will

2:35:06figure out the funding um plan to have a

2:35:08funding request in the future. Mark.

2:35:11>> Yeah. And just to

2:35:13make a few points here, this is a simple

2:35:15rendering. This doesn't have to be the

2:35:17final way it looks. The sign was just a

2:35:20mock just to put something there. um

2:35:22some of the architectural features do uh

2:35:26combine and and match some of the things

2:35:27that are happening within the park with

2:35:29the brick work and the uh the bench

2:35:31itself. And coincidentally, this

2:35:33location happens to be somewhat diagonal

2:35:35from the future location of the Veterans

2:35:37Monument. So, it could be sort of

2:35:39complimentary that this is kind of like

2:35:41a small uh place where you can sit and

2:35:43and meditate and and then you're

2:35:45basically bagging across town hall drive

2:35:47where a future monument would go. So,

2:35:50um, yeah, this is the recommended

2:35:52location from the architects looking at

2:35:53different spots within the park. And,

2:35:55uh, like Brandon said, it has a price

2:35:57range of somewhere between 40 and 50,000

2:36:00that they they gave us as a, um, a cost

2:36:02estimate.

2:36:09>> Council member Patel.

2:36:13>> So, what we are seeing here is just an

2:36:16example. That's not beautiful.

2:36:18>> It's just an example. The architect took

2:36:20the liberty of just uh kind of matching

2:36:22some of the architectural features. The

2:36:24the plaque itself is just very generic.

2:36:26It doesn't say, you know, we could put

2:36:27something bigger, something different,

2:36:28different word. It's just to show what

2:36:29what it could look like as an example.

2:36:32Um and and and it's it is in the

2:36:34location option three. So, it kind of

2:36:37gives you a visual what's behind it. The

2:36:38education garden is what's behind that

2:36:40fence. Even though it's kind of looks

2:36:42like a slab of concrete, but that would

2:36:43actually be a garden. Um, and then the

2:36:45walking path takes you from the parking

2:36:47lot, the secondary parking lot into

2:36:49close to the support building, which is

2:36:50what you see on the background on the

2:36:52left.

2:36:57>> Thank you. One more question,

2:37:00>> Council Member Johnson.

2:37:03>> So, I like the idea of incorporating a

2:37:06bench somehow in this design,

2:37:10and I realize you have to have a wall to

2:37:12put a plaque on. I guess I

2:37:16my only concern would be the wall

2:37:19blocking anything. And did you think

2:37:22about doing it reverse? Because the map

2:37:25you showed us before, this whole area is

2:37:28all trees.

2:37:30[clears throat] So why wouldn't you flip

2:37:31it so that that Yeah,

2:37:36>> I guess

2:37:36>> if I if I could take liberty, I actually

2:37:38thought the same thing because I thought

2:37:39then you would be facing the the future

2:37:41monument personally, but I was trying to

2:37:43get the focus on eventually there could

2:37:45be something [clears throat] much bigger

2:37:46that celebrated the veterans literally a

2:37:48diagonal across the bay.

2:37:50>> So I kind of thought you thought from a

2:37:52different perspective. I was like, "Oh,

2:37:52this this should sit and look towards

2:37:54maybe the future money." But anyway,

2:37:56>> and that that doesn't have to be decided

2:37:58right now. that that's but I I just

2:38:00throw that out there and it because I

2:38:03>> I don't know I don't want the wall to be

2:38:05too high to block stuff too. That would

2:38:08be my other concern. But I realize you

2:38:09have to have a wall to put plaque on at

2:38:11the same time. So and again that can be

2:38:15>> massaged over time and tweaked.

2:38:17>> Yes.

2:38:18>> You don't necessarily have a wall to

2:38:20>> Yeah. You don't even have a wall. Yeah.

2:38:21Yeah.

2:38:21>> You could have a ground mounted monument

2:38:24type of thing. Yeah. This was just an

2:38:26example of something and what it could

2:38:27look like in that location. It doesn't

2:38:29they're not saying this is it, you know,

2:38:31they're just trying to give us an idea.

2:38:32We needed something to come up with a

2:38:33price, right? So that just to give you a

2:38:35range of, hey, this is what we think

2:38:36it's going to cost.

2:38:39>> Any other questions or comments?

2:38:44>> Council member Cast. Um,

2:38:48I actually think it, um, it works well

2:38:52being more inward facing and certainly

2:38:54within the in the trees. Um, think of it

2:38:56like a reflecting area. Um, and

2:38:59certainly, uh, you know, the geometry of

2:39:02it looking towards the future Veterans

2:39:05Memorial. Um, you know, I guess Sure.

2:39:08>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I agree. But I I I I I

2:39:14talked about it with the butterfly icons

2:39:15and all that kind of stuff pointed at

2:39:16town center. So it's a really good idea.

2:39:18Um perhaps if the design of it was in

2:39:21some way that um you know, let's just

2:39:25say that it's the plaque there could be

2:39:27some sort of other design element. The

2:39:29plaque is there and when the um the

2:39:32Veterans Memorial Well, I guess maybe

2:39:34the idea is having it at town center.

2:39:36So, I was thinking that this could be um

2:39:38you know, take it from uh this point in

2:39:41town center and put it in the into the

2:39:43um future veterans memorial, but um I'm

2:39:46not necessarily I'd say that, but then

2:39:48also, you know, it's good to have it in

2:39:51in, you know, more central in the town

2:39:53center. Um but I think a reflective kind

2:39:55of area um under the trees and shaded

2:40:00area folks can sit down probably be

2:40:03nice. I think one of the other reasons

2:40:04it would stay is that the conversation

2:40:07that's been had is it could be a

2:40:08veterans and first responders memorial.

2:40:11So I think that gives you a little more

2:40:12reason to have it stay there. And again,

2:40:14that likely is two separate plaques. I

2:40:16mean, again, this is this is by no means

2:40:17a final product. This is something for

2:40:19you all to react to and give us an idea

2:40:21of are we headed in the right direction

2:40:24and is that a price tag that you can be

2:40:26comfortable with?

2:40:29>> Mayor Pamati.

2:40:33So, I would go at this personally a

2:40:37little bit differently because I don't

2:40:39like the way the wall looks anyway. What

2:40:42I would do is

2:40:44two benches, comfortable benches, like

2:40:46with backs on them, and put the plaques

2:40:48on the back of the benches, the first

2:40:51responder and the veterans, you know,

2:40:54then you have a little seating area and

2:40:59you don't need the wall. I don't I'm I'm

2:41:02not a huge fan of that. I just I just

2:41:04don't like I think it's the color

2:41:05actually that's throwing me, but I don't

2:41:08like it. And I think that it would be a

2:41:11nice little respect reflecting space if

2:41:14there was just two benches that you

2:41:17could actually sit on. That doesn't even

2:41:19look comfortable. You know,

2:41:23>> I see council member Peter and then

2:41:25council member Johnson.

2:41:27>> So yeah, that's my very first question I

2:41:29asked was if that's what we're going to

2:41:31get. So yeah, I don't like the color of

2:41:33the wall. Um height I think is not that

2:41:37tall. I mean if if you really look at it

2:41:42but

2:41:44yeah I I would instead of having plaque

2:41:46on the bench if that's the route we

2:41:48decide to go without wall then I would

2:41:50rather have some type of rock formation

2:41:53and put flex there instead of putting it

2:41:55on the bench right

2:41:58>> but I do like the idea of bench having

2:42:01couple of benches would be good uh

2:42:04having talked to uh veterans at VFW W

2:42:08and American region they the common

2:42:10theme uh that I heard was someplace

2:42:14where they can go sit and reflect. So

2:42:17that it would be a good idea to have

2:42:18perhaps couple of

2:42:24>> Council Member Johnson.

2:42:26>> So I am so glad you said that because

2:42:28the first thing that struck me was a a

2:42:31bench without a back. How long are you

2:42:34really going to sit there? And maybe

2:42:36that's because I'm getting older. I

2:42:37don't know. But but a bench with a back

2:42:40you could sit there for some length of

2:42:42time. So I like this idea of maybe just

2:42:44two benches. Put a plaque on the benches

2:42:46or on some kind of ra rock in the middle

2:42:49between the two of them and then you

2:42:51could seat more people and then it would

2:42:54also probably not cost $50,000. So

2:42:57that's another benefit.

2:42:58>> Okay.

2:43:00>> So can the wall

2:43:05>> any other questions or comments.

2:43:13>> If you're talking about writing

2:43:14something on the benches, the Breen

2:43:17Ridge benches where it has already you

2:43:20can have, you know, veterans memorial

2:43:23something there which is less

2:43:25maintenance always visible.

2:43:28>> Dedicated to the town of Morrisville

2:43:30first responders.

2:43:31>> Yeah.

2:43:32>> Dedicated to the town of Morsville's

2:43:33first responders. Dedicated to Morsville

2:43:35veterans. Thank you for your service.

2:43:39And people sit on those benches all the

2:43:41time.

2:43:44>> Thank you.

2:43:48>> So I think one of the one of the

2:43:50obviously of having this conversation

2:43:52tonight is important, but also wanting

2:43:53to make sure that this is along the

2:43:56lines of what you would like to see

2:43:57before we continue to move forward. Um,

2:44:00obviously this is a an item that came as

2:44:03a round table item. So there is no we

2:44:06don't have a designated budget for this

2:44:08memorial within the project budget. So

2:44:11obviously with a cost estimate that we

2:44:13have ballpark $40 to $50,000 does

2:44:17council feel comfortable with something

2:44:19like that so that we can continue to

2:44:21explore this design. Um so definitely

2:44:24want to make sure that we can get some

2:44:26consensus of understanding is there

2:44:30support to continue down this road or

2:44:32not. and I see council member Patel.

2:44:35>> So,

2:44:36um, where as it stands now, where would

2:44:40the funds come from?

2:44:45>> So, I think, you know, there's a couple

2:44:47of options. Um, you know, one would

2:44:50potentially be the parks reserve. Um,

2:44:52you know, there is there's generally

2:44:53funds available that that would qualify

2:44:55for that. Um, you know, we we have a a a

2:45:00very very small amount of money. There

2:45:02was a 911 fund that was created shortly

2:45:05after 2001 and it has been in in this

2:45:08account, but it's 2500 $3,000. So,

2:45:11that's just a start of this. So, could

2:45:13be parks reserve. We could also come

2:45:15back to you with some other options on

2:45:16that um as far as what where else we

2:45:19would fund it out of, but in all

2:45:20likelihood out of a reserve.

2:45:23>> Yeah. I mean I'll be okay with just

2:45:26coming out of park reserve considering

2:45:29you know we're considering taking out

2:45:32funds from park reserves for the the

2:45:34other things we talking about in terms

2:45:36of cricket fields right

2:45:43how about everyone else do I get thumbs

2:45:45up do I get yeses don't okay seems like

2:45:49we have consensus to move forward

2:45:53Okay. And the last item on the town

2:45:55center that I have for you, I think is

2:45:57exciting. So, I'll invite Amelia to come

2:46:00here with me. Um, as you all know, part

2:46:04of the town center and the retail space,

2:46:06one of the areas that the town will be

2:46:09that we had agreed in the contract is

2:46:11that there will be approximately 4,000

2:46:13square feet that we will occupy. and we

2:46:16have been evaluating what could be the

2:46:19best use and the best option for those

2:46:214,000 square feet. So, we have been

2:46:23working with the economic development

2:46:25department, Tiffany and Amelia to

2:46:28evaluate how will it look like if we use

2:46:30this retail space um which I said is

2:46:344,000 and we have the potential to

2:46:36expand that if we if we need more. But

2:46:39what would it look like if we were to

2:46:41explore an opportunity for small

2:46:43business development, entrepreneurship,

2:46:44and innovation within the community by

2:46:47allowing this to be a co-working

2:46:51incubator space opportunity. And I would

2:46:54like to turn it over to Amelia so Amelia

2:46:57can share with us a little bit of the

2:46:59exercise that they have been doing uh

2:47:01the research they have done exploring

2:47:03what other opportunities are out there

2:47:05that could be beneficial for us to

2:47:07utilize this um recognizing that

2:47:11co-working space and and pouring into

2:47:14our small businesses have been a focus

2:47:16of the town for a little while and

2:47:18there's a lot of the work that Amelia

2:47:20does that is along along those lines. So

2:47:22Amelia tell us a little bit more of the

2:47:24work and the exercise that we have done

2:47:26to research this opportunity and the

2:47:28intent is to be able to hear from you.

2:47:31What is your um your what feedback do

2:47:34you have and how do you think uh this

2:47:36idea sounds to you as we continue to

2:47:39explore the use of that space?

2:47:42>> Thank you Jazelle. And uh good evening

2:47:44town council. Um, so Tiffany and I

2:47:47started doing some initial research and

2:47:49just really evaluating the other

2:47:51communities throughout Wake County and

2:47:52the triangle and we've noticed that we

2:47:55have quite a few communities that have

2:47:56co-work co-working spaces. Um, but there

2:47:59are quite a few different models.

2:48:00There's some that are just sort of badge

2:48:02access, some that are open 9 to5. Um,

2:48:06some that are run through the city, some

2:48:08that are run independently. Um so we've

2:48:11been trying to explore what those

2:48:13different models are, what kind of what

2:48:15are the best practices for the industry

2:48:18and what are the infrastructure needs,

2:48:20programming opportunities, what the

2:48:22various management approaches are and um

2:48:25again those potential operating models.

2:48:29So that's kind of like what we have done

2:48:31so far. So, one of the ideas of what we

2:48:33feel will be most beneficial for the

2:48:36town to pursue is out of all of those

2:48:38options that we have looked at because

2:48:40the economic development department is a

2:48:42very small department. We only have two

2:48:44people in that department. Um, it's

2:48:46essentially just explore the opportunity

2:48:49of having an operator, meaning that the

2:48:51town will enter into an agreement with

2:48:54an with an entity that would just

2:48:56operate the space, but they will serve

2:48:59at our at our leisure based on how we

2:49:01reach the contract with them. This model

2:49:04is effective in a lot of other areas.

2:49:06Um, one of the things that we are

2:49:08hearing is the 4,000 square feet may be

2:49:11a little small for them to make the

2:49:13numbers work given the cost of the of

2:49:15the of the lease, but we have talked

2:49:19with Abby and we're saying and we have

2:49:21definitely the opportunity to be able to

2:49:23expand a little bit more than the 4,000

2:49:25square feet. Um, what would this look

2:49:28like? This could provide opportunities

2:49:30for individuals that don't have an

2:49:32office and they just want to use it as a

2:49:35a co-working space, an incubator. It can

2:49:38have a meeting space where they are able

2:49:40to have a meeting space. It can also

2:49:42have the this an area where people can

2:49:46come and sell their products. Let's say

2:49:48they they they

2:49:50do some baked goods and they have and

2:49:52they they want to just put it out there

2:49:54to kind of get their business running.

2:49:56So it serves also as an incubator, as an

2:49:58opportunity for small bit of small

2:50:00businesses to be able to explore the

2:50:02opportunities that they have. So that's

2:50:05essentially some of the options that we

2:50:07have right now. Um

2:50:10definitely more to come on that. But

2:50:12before we go too far into continuing to

2:50:14explore this option, we wanted to get a

2:50:16pulse from council and understand how

2:50:18does council feel with this idea. Should

2:50:21we continue down this path? because

2:50:24there's good models out there, but we

2:50:25want to make sure that this is uh in

2:50:28alignment with what you would like to

2:50:30see in that space. So, I have Mayor

2:50:32Patra body, then council member

2:50:34Garamela, Council Member Patel, and then

2:50:36Council Member Johnson.

2:50:40>> I love it. I don't think that as a town

2:50:43we necessarily want to be in the renting

2:50:45office space building. So, I agree with

2:50:47your assessment that having a management

2:50:50entity is the way to go, but this is

2:50:54exactly what I was hoping the town

2:50:56center would be, a place where there,

2:51:00you know, there might be a big business

2:51:02or some type of anchor, but there would

2:51:04also be cool kitchen businesses with,

2:51:07you know, like it sounds like there

2:51:09would almost be like a little market

2:51:11where people could come and sell stuff.

2:51:13And I think that to me is that's the

2:51:17most vibrant and interesting use of the

2:51:21space.

2:51:22>> I my only concern would be whether

2:51:25there's enough there's enough demand for

2:51:29the space to fill 5,000 square let's say

2:51:32we settle on 5,000 um to fill 5,000

2:51:36square feet consistently enough to make

2:51:39it profitable. like where exactly do you

2:51:42foresee the demand coming from?

2:51:45>> And I can uh add to that a little bit as

2:51:47well. In our initial discussions, um

2:51:50we've seen that the biggest sort of

2:51:53revenue and what keeps it steady is

2:51:55having some some of those office spaces.

2:51:57So we were envisioning it being sort of

2:51:59a mixeduse space. Um but office spaces

2:52:02would be a part of that. Um and that

2:52:04just allows for them to be there a

2:52:06little bit longer. So, some of those

2:52:07homebased businesses that are right now

2:52:10maybe having to go to Frontier or other

2:52:12communities outside of Morrisville to

2:52:14run their business, maybe it's a

2:52:16service- based business. We would

2:52:18obviously love to keep them here in

2:52:19Morrisville. So, having some of those

2:52:21office spaces would be very helpful for

2:52:24them.

2:52:25>> And so, how I know how Frontier works.

2:52:28I've rent a space at Frontier. Yeah. But

2:52:31so when you say running their business

2:52:33out of that space, do you mean like they

2:52:35would rent like a month at a time?

2:52:38>> Okay. And so they would put a little

2:52:39office in there and like, you know,

2:52:41plants and the calendar and the whole

2:52:43bit.

2:52:43>> Yeah.

2:52:44>> Yeah. I can see that. I can see that

2:52:46working really well actually.

2:52:51>> Okay.

2:52:51>> I believe I have Council Member.

2:52:56I'm I'm trying to envision, you know,

2:52:59what it would look like because I'm

2:53:01hearing different like a

2:53:04a place where people can come and work.

2:53:07You know, it's pretty much I'll full

2:53:09disclosure, my son doesn't want to study

2:53:11in my house. He likes a Starbucks all

2:53:13the time and that is the trend that

2:53:16these days are, you know, they just like

2:53:18that kind of ambience and so he doesn't

2:53:22pay anything in Starbucks other than the

2:53:23coffee. So it but these guys stay six,

2:53:26seven, eight hours they are working all

2:53:28day. So

2:53:31is there the model that we are planning

2:53:34to do that way because we have the

2:53:35library just down the street they can do

2:53:38there too. Um but are you I'm not

2:53:41understanding the renting model what it

2:53:44how to envision that.

2:53:46>> Absolutely. So it's going to depend on

2:53:48who the operator is that ends up coming

2:53:50in there. There's a few different

2:53:51models. Sometimes they have day passes,

2:53:54sometimes they have monthly passes. Um,

2:53:57and it really just depends on, I guess,

2:53:59how we design the space. So, in downtown

2:54:03Raleigh, they have a space that they

2:54:05partner with Wake Tech for that those

2:54:08small businesses that Jazelle was

2:54:10mentioning where you maybe have four in

2:54:11there and that's sort of the storefront

2:54:13and they have products. But then there's

2:54:15also sort of hot desks where people can

2:54:18go there for the day and maybe it's $20

2:54:22and they can be there all day long.

2:54:24Maybe they go there for specific

2:54:26programming that's happening. I know

2:54:28over in Carrie and what used to be

2:54:31Blush, they would have days where, you

2:54:33know, they would offer a free co-working

2:54:35day just to get people into the space

2:54:38once a month. Um, and then otherwise

2:54:40it's $20 a day. So maybe it's not

2:54:44consistent need for a business, but a

2:54:46few days a month, it makes sense for

2:54:48them to go in there. Especially because

2:54:50Starbucks is wonderful, but sometimes it

2:54:52can get loud and it can get busy. And

2:54:54so, if you need to have some of those

2:54:56those calls that are a little bit more

2:54:57important and you need a quieter space,

2:54:59that's when it would make sense.

2:55:02>> Yeah, I like I understand like

2:55:05Starbucks. So, how many passes are we

2:55:10giving it? And so it should not be like

2:55:13oh our smart shuttle we are trying it

2:55:16it's already full every time you know

2:55:18there's no space for us to go in so then

2:55:21you know the pressure will come on us we

2:55:23have to increase more space so

2:55:26like I'm just you know trying to make

2:55:30sure we are not creating our own

2:55:33problems by giving a day pass like they

2:55:36like uh the parks and racks you know or

2:55:39the MFC see for their yoga or something

2:55:42it goes within five minutes everything

2:55:44gone so I don't want that to turn like

2:55:47this and then we'll start hearing about

2:55:50it

2:55:51>> right I think that's a great point is

2:55:52that's definitely some of the things

2:55:53that we want to avoid um there are

2:55:56different models out there right so one

2:55:58of the exercises that um if council was

2:56:02to support this idea tonight is one of

2:56:05the things that we will need to start

2:56:06exploring is we need to start engaging a

2:56:09little bit more with some of the other

2:56:12options are out there and potentially

2:56:14even uh start working on releasing an

2:56:17RFI to be able to seek specific interest

2:56:21from operators in what those models

2:56:23could look like because there are

2:56:25there's a lot of different models out

2:56:27there. Um also keep in mind that um the

2:56:30models may work differently because of

2:56:33what they may have around them and the

2:56:36size of the space. On our case, our

2:56:38space is a it's smaller than what we

2:56:40have seen out there. However, you do

2:56:43have the the benefit of being in the

2:56:46town center when you have so much

2:56:48activity happening around you. You have

2:56:50the library which we hope can provide um

2:56:54a will attract people to want to come

2:56:57there and hopefully it also becomes part

2:56:59of the ecosystem that you can have

2:57:01someone initiate a business within the

2:57:04incubator space and they grow to the

2:57:07point that they're a able to occupy a

2:57:09cottage in the future. That would be the

2:57:11greatest success story that we can tell

2:57:13out of this is being able to see a

2:57:16business that grows in that fashion. I I

2:57:20hear what you're saying, but I get

2:57:22confused when you cross like a day pass

2:57:25with like the Fenton uh the frontier. So

2:57:30the frontier is a fixed phase for X

2:57:34number of days or months. Are we talking

2:57:36of that or a mix of both? I'm like

2:57:39because the the reason is I understand

2:57:42and that would be nice if someone has a

2:57:45space and you know that works out then

2:57:48don't have this day passes

2:57:51>> you know because it has no value because

2:57:54people come in out and we have an

2:57:58operator so what is our obligation are

2:58:00we getting our rent back and the

2:58:01operator will you know um give us the

2:58:05rent because we are just third party you

2:58:08we are subleasing it to them. How does

2:58:11that work? You know,

2:58:12>> so are you asking us tonight for general

2:58:14consensus on going forward with the

2:58:16because once we we'll release an RFI and

2:58:20people will come to us with proposals

2:58:22and we can pick the one we like. I think

2:58:24that tonight we're really just trying to

2:58:26decide is this the direction we want to

2:58:29go or does it need to be I don't know

2:58:31what the other options are but Right.

2:58:33>> Yeah. Thank you for that. We we are

2:58:35barely scratching the surface, right? is

2:58:37we are we are exploring this option but

2:58:40we are very early into it. We certainly

2:58:43wanted to reach a point where we pause

2:58:46get a pause from council because council

2:58:48wants us to chase this idea and if we

2:58:51have the support of council then we will

2:58:53continue and we will have answers to a

2:58:56lot of those questions. What are some of

2:58:57the models that make the most sense to

2:58:59the town? Um but we necessarily don't

2:59:02know exactly what it may look like. I

2:59:05think there's many options out there,

2:59:07but we will get those answers later if

2:59:10if if it was to be supported by by the

2:59:12council. I believe I have council member

2:59:16Johnson. Then I have council member

2:59:18Castling.

2:59:19>> He was nice.

2:59:21>> Patel.

2:59:22>> Yeah.

2:59:22>> Okay.

2:59:24>> Council member Johnson.

2:59:26>> Oh, Patel. I apologize. season.

2:59:30>> So I I like the idea, but u I have a few

2:59:34questions. Where where is the space that

2:59:36you're talking about within town center?

2:59:41>> From the college retail spaces. So if

2:59:46okay like if we

2:59:48if you go across from the look where the

2:59:52library is

2:59:54right there move across north to that

2:59:57side and the in that corner. Yes, that

3:00:01corner right there is where we have the

3:00:034,000 square feet. There's all the

3:00:04retail space down there and then above

3:00:07it will be multif family, but it will be

3:00:09that corner of that building where

3:00:11you're going to have a plaza outside as

3:00:13well where with tables where people can

3:00:15also sit out there. Uh, but it will be

3:00:18that corner 4,000 square feet on that

3:00:21corner.

3:00:21>> Then it is our space or we'll be leasing

3:00:24it.

3:00:25>> We are leasing it. That was part of our

3:00:27agreement with uh it was part of our

3:00:31agreement with Singh and then we in this

3:00:33case if we were to enter an agreement

3:00:35with an operator we will be

3:00:37subleasasing.

3:00:40>> Okay. So if we don't do this then we'll

3:00:42be subleasing to some business pretty

3:00:44much.

3:00:45>> If we don't use it then Sing will

3:00:48probably try to find somebody else if we

3:00:51elected not to use it at all.

3:00:54But if they can't find somebody, we are

3:00:56committed

3:00:57>> to the 4,000 square feet. It was part of

3:00:59the early on proforma that was developed

3:01:01for this project particularly again

3:01:03reminder that it's a public private

3:01:05partnership. And so sometimes it's

3:01:07difficult. There's there's real

3:01:08limitations on what a municipality can

3:01:10invest into a public private

3:01:12partnership. So this is one of the ways

3:01:14that we could do that. Again, at the

3:01:16time, one of the thoughts was that this

3:01:18could be parks and recck admin space. Of

3:01:20course, we had no idea at that time that

3:01:21we'd be able to purchase the chamber

3:01:23building and put parks admin in there.

3:01:25So, that's led us to this. How do we

3:01:27look at the space differently and what

3:01:28could we do there?

3:01:29>> Okay. So, I was I want to ask them what

3:01:31was the original vision. I guess that

3:01:32was okay.

3:01:33>> Yep.

3:01:36>> So, yeah, I mean, I like the idea, but I

3:01:38would like to see more details

3:01:41before I go further into it.

3:01:46>> I believe now I have council member

3:01:47Johnson. So, the history of this is

3:01:50important. Um, we entered into this

3:01:53agreement to to lease this 4,000 square

3:01:55ft as an incentive to help them as they

3:02:00were starting to lease up the

3:02:01properties.

3:02:03I'd like to know what the agreement says

3:02:05because I don't know that we ever

3:02:07entertained this being a long-term

3:02:09commitment to lease it. It was just

3:02:11initially to help them

3:02:15when they were coming up out of the

3:02:17ground. And I'm not sure we were

3:02:20committed if they found somebody else.

3:02:23And so I'd like to know what the details

3:02:25were because I don't remember did we

3:02:27have a time frame? Did we say we're

3:02:30going to do it for a year? Did we say

3:02:33because in my mind it was not a

3:02:34long-term commitment. So I'm not

3:02:36interested in leasing this space for any

3:02:41longtime commitment to anybody.

3:02:44>> Okay.

3:02:44>> So I if you could get me that.

3:02:47>> Yeah, we'll come back with some details

3:02:48on that.

3:02:49>> Um I also don't understand I'm not

3:02:52interested also in some long-term

3:02:54financial commitment on our part. I was

3:02:56willing to lease the space to help them

3:02:59in the beginning. Um I'm not interested

3:03:02in

3:03:03any more money beyond that. So, I'm I'm

3:03:06I'm not hearing that this is of no cost

3:03:09to us, what you're proposing. I'd like

3:03:12to know an options that that is a no

3:03:14cost to us um to the town of Morrisville

3:03:17because that was our commitment was at

3:03:20that time um or our thought process

3:03:23rather at that time was that we needed

3:03:25more office space

3:03:28>> and now we don't. If I may. So what we

3:03:31are proposing here is something that may

3:03:34end up being long-term because otherwise

3:03:36you'll be taking something away from

3:03:39people later on.

3:03:40>> Correct. That's why I'm not really in

3:03:43favor of going down this road because

3:03:44you go make this commitment.

3:03:47This sounds like a long-term commitment

3:03:49to me and I'm not sure that's the

3:03:51business we should be in as a as a

3:03:54>> How does it matter? Just hypothetically

3:03:57if If you're subleasing, they are paying

3:04:01the rent. We don't even care how much.

3:04:02>> I'm not hearing that. I'm not hearing

3:04:04this is a no cost to us.

3:04:06>> Just deflect it to them and let them

3:04:08handle it.

3:04:09>> We are paying for that. I'm telling you

3:04:10in the end there's going to be another

3:04:12financial commitment beyond the lease

3:04:15and I am not interested in that. I need

3:04:17to hear some more options. Sure. This is

3:04:19not the option that I think I'm going to

3:04:21favor. you need to bring me some more

3:04:23options or there's an option of not

3:04:27leasing the space if Sing can lease it

3:04:30on their own. I'd like to go down that

3:04:33road, too. I want to make sure, you

3:04:35know, we talked about the this being a

3:04:38vibrant downtown where people could come

3:04:40and eat and drink and um buy things.

3:04:43said, "I would rather see that in this

3:04:47area, an incubator and a co-working

3:04:49space can go in some other location. I

3:04:54want this needs to be for the community

3:04:57to come and participate and buy and um

3:05:02as important as co-working space and um

3:05:05incubators are, they can go in all kinds

3:05:08of places like Frontier is in an office.

3:05:11it's it's in an office building. I mean,

3:05:13we have other space that we're not using

3:05:15that we could turn into an incubator if

3:05:18that's really the business we want to be

3:05:20in. So, um that's just my two cents

3:05:23right now.

3:05:24>> Thank you.

3:05:26>> I believe I have Council Member Kesling

3:05:28and then Council Member Scott Johnson.

3:05:32>> I'd like to throw out the idea of a tool

3:05:34library. Um I'm just pulling up the

3:05:37Wikipedia page here. Um, but a tool

3:05:39library is an example of a library of

3:05:41things. Tool libraries allow patrons to

3:05:43check out or borrow tools, equipment,

3:05:45how-to, instructional materials

3:05:47functioning either as a rental shop with

3:05:49a charge for borrowing the tools or more

3:05:51commonly free of charge as a form of

3:05:52community sharing. This can empower

3:05:54residents who cannot afford specialized

3:05:56equipment for temporary projects to

3:05:58extend the life of their belongings,

3:05:59saving money and contribute to a more

3:06:01circular economy. Circular economy being

3:06:04a more sustainable type of economy.

3:06:12We have rules for that.

3:06:17>> Yeah. This is a free library.

3:06:23>> But then again, you're talking long-term

3:06:25commitment here, right?

3:06:26>> Yeah. Um, another idea that I want to

3:06:28throw out related to this is if there um

3:06:31uh

3:06:34if there's a subsection of the community

3:06:36that would want to um take on the uh the

3:06:39management of this um they they viewed

3:06:42it as a um you know a benefit to the

3:06:45town and u you know established an

3:06:47organization that was um you know in

3:06:50charge of of funding that. Um, I think

3:06:52that's a, you know, it's a

3:06:55hypothetical way to move it towards, um,

3:06:59uh, you know, long-term ownership of a

3:07:00community, um,

3:07:04community entity that could that could

3:07:06carry into the future.

3:07:10>> Thank you, council member Scotty

3:07:12Johnson.

3:07:15So I was part of the discussions during

3:07:18the um incubation of the um private

3:07:23public partnership and the 4,000 square

3:07:26foot space Nick was um like a jump start

3:07:30to activating the space. But there was

3:07:34one thing that you didn't mention that I

3:07:37think kind of resonated with me is that

3:07:40we were hoping that marbles would

3:07:44um take tenency in the town center and

3:07:47that would activate you know kids of all

3:07:50ages I like to think marbles um but they

3:07:53are not going with that model they're

3:07:56doing other forms of marvel extension

3:08:00with that in mind although spark is not

3:08:04going to be hosting a touchdown in

3:08:07office and stuff like that I think we

3:08:10should reimagine what we want to have as

3:08:13v vibr vibrant. We can put hoteling and

3:08:16and small business areas anywhere in

3:08:18town

3:08:20where it's, you know, like perimeter

3:08:22park or something like that. But

3:08:24downtown, I want to activate the space

3:08:27for the community and that includes more

3:08:32classrooms for arts, more classrooms for

3:08:36training. Um, we have Cedarport

3:08:40Community Center that has those

3:08:43classrooms and the daycare and stuff,

3:08:45but if we had more, we would have more

3:08:48opportunity to expand the parks

3:08:50programming where we need to have

3:08:53programming. We could use multi-use

3:08:56um kind of a format for the inside. And

3:08:59then we could flex to have seminars and

3:09:02talks and and so forth like that because

3:09:05it does get hot in North Carolina. you

3:09:07don't always want to use the lovely

3:09:09amphitheater. If we had small group

3:09:11settings where we um had some

3:09:13programming inside

3:09:16um outside the town center, I think

3:09:17that's the kind of public use and

3:09:20activation that would be different and

3:09:22novel that the town would be more

3:09:25aligned with as opposed to starting up

3:09:28and becoming a small business incubator.

3:09:30That's more like the chamber would be

3:09:32more aligned with that kind of activity.

3:09:35and um maybe some other business

3:09:38entities we could partner with at other

3:09:40locations.

3:09:42Also, I want to do a time check because

3:09:44I love this topic, but I mean I looked

3:09:48at the next topic and it has like 40ome

3:09:51slides

3:09:53and we have two closed sessions. So, I

3:09:55don't know if we can time box some

3:09:57things

3:09:59because I'm speaking your language now.

3:10:02Um,

3:10:04mayor prom. So, um, we we just want to

3:10:07make sure that we answer your questions,

3:10:09but we also be mindful of maybe we push

3:10:12the personnel policy. That's not a

3:10:14critical thing that has to be done

3:10:16tonight so that their closed sessions

3:10:19could start earlier.

3:10:21And that that's my um just to summarize

3:10:25um small business not so much community

3:10:29focused activities community center kind

3:10:32of activities I would be all over that.

3:10:36>> Thank you. Actually just follow up. I

3:10:39think I like in one aspect is we need

3:10:43people coming into the downtown and you

3:10:46continuously need change of people uh to

3:10:50flourish the small you know industries

3:10:53and the cottages and all these things by

3:10:55doing something like that every hour

3:10:57there's new fresh people coming in

3:10:59they'll buy something do something. If

3:11:01we have incubator, it's just four people

3:11:04sitting there and no foot traffic. So

3:11:08something like that also. Mr.

3:11:12>> I believe I have Mayor Patraati and then

3:11:14council member Patel.

3:11:17>> Just really quick, I would I would see a

3:11:21co-working space as an amenity. So I

3:11:24think that that that it's a really

3:11:26important space. It's not something we

3:11:28have now. And I mean, just the times

3:11:31that I've been at Frontier, there's

3:11:32people going in and out of Frontier all

3:11:34day long. And I think that it would

3:11:37bring a different clientele than the

3:11:41ones that we're going to get. Like, so

3:11:43we'll get, you know, young families

3:11:45because of the parks and the big green,

3:11:46and we'll get students because of the

3:11:49Instagram spaces and the big green. And

3:11:53you know if we're also bringing in

3:11:57small businesses, entrepreneurs, single

3:12:00cursors, whatever they call those, um I

3:12:03think that's another

3:12:05another demographic that we might

3:12:09currently not be capturing. And I think

3:12:11that I mean I don't I'm not married to

3:12:14the idea of us doing it, but I think

3:12:16that Sing should definitely look into a

3:12:20tenant like that. Um and The only thing

3:12:23about the classes and the expansion of

3:12:27parks and wreck is that that's a

3:12:29long-term commitment because you can't

3:12:32and we would be paying that lease. So,

3:12:35you can't start

3:12:375,000 square feet of amazing classes and

3:12:42then quit them after a year. Like, we're

3:12:44once we do that, we're committed. We're

3:12:45in that space and we're staying there.

3:12:48So, I'm not opposed to that. But I do

3:12:51think that, you know, we need to balance

3:12:54what we're going to end up paying versus

3:12:57what someone else ends up paying.

3:13:00>> Council,

3:13:02>> so in our agreement, how much is the

3:13:05rent for this

3:13:08property?

3:13:08>> So the lease, and again, the lease is 36

3:13:11months is what we committed to. So a

3:13:13three-year lease to be in that space. We

3:13:16should anticipate roughly uh 4,000

3:13:19square feet at about $160,000 about $40

3:13:23a square foot.

3:13:25>> So that's $160,000 a month that we have

3:13:27to

3:13:28>> a year. Yes. The long-term commitment

3:13:30maybe unless we see some kind of

3:13:33>> unless

3:13:35the other piece,

3:13:36>> right?

3:13:39>> Council member Kesley.

3:13:42>> Uh I don't like that it's expensive. Um

3:13:45but uh if cost was not an issue, um I

3:13:48think a small grocery store would be

3:13:50good. Um you know, you could go and get

3:13:52tomatoes, onions, that sort of stuff.

3:13:53Especially for all the folks that are

3:13:54living there, where are they going to

3:13:55get groceries? They're going to have to

3:13:56drive there. Um if you can just come

3:13:58home and go downstairs and grab um

3:14:00there's a couple things that you need to

3:14:02make dinner. Um that's one less car trip

3:14:04on the road. Um, also the library that

3:14:08we have um doesn't have an adequate

3:14:11meeting space um when it closed at

3:14:13least. Um, so I don't know if we could

3:14:16have a conversation with Wake County. um

3:14:18I don't know what their um appetite is

3:14:20for leasing spaces, but um certainly uh

3:14:25if we agree that that's a need that we

3:14:28think we have with our library um if

3:14:30that space is essentially an extension

3:14:33of um the library um and it would offer

3:14:37uh you know meeting spaces and whatnot

3:14:39for um you know small groups or um

3:14:41larger groups like some of the other um

3:14:44larger libraries have.

3:14:47Mayor Collie,

3:14:50>> I would just share that the frontier and

3:14:52boxyard work well together as our town

3:14:54center will with this economic

3:14:57development incubator. I mean, it's it's

3:14:59a good fit. Um, like the tool library

3:15:02idea. I knew you're going to go to food

3:15:04and co-op downtown. I think that's an

3:15:06important thing to think about. Tool

3:15:07library, you'd have extra room at public

3:15:09works, so that might be something to

3:15:11just explore as an aside. Um, we have

3:15:14some thousands of feet there. So, that

3:15:16might be something to set up a little

3:15:17tool library.

3:15:19Um, I think this would be the best use

3:15:22of the space other than I always thought

3:15:24that'd be good to have a teen center.

3:15:26Um, but I think that having some kind of

3:15:28incubator in Morrisville, it would

3:15:30really fill the gap if we're innovative.

3:15:33Supporting innovators is going to be

3:15:35really important for us. So, thank you

3:15:36for bringing this forward.

3:15:39>> Okay, so just doing a quick check. Uh,

3:15:43does it seem like we have support to

3:15:44explore this any further? Can I get

3:15:47thumbs up so I can see if I have

3:15:49consensus?

3:15:51I have two.

3:15:52>> What are we exploring? I don't

3:15:54understand what your question is.

3:15:56>> Just get bringing more information into

3:15:58if this was a an incubator space or

3:16:01>> what about the other suggestions

3:16:04>> or well I think we can get um consensus

3:16:07on those options presented, right? I

3:16:09think you brought up the option of it

3:16:11being a extension of parks and recre

3:16:14classes of that nature. We have the

3:16:16incubator space. Council member casting

3:16:18brought up some general ideas. I guess

3:16:21my question to council is what would you

3:16:24like for us to explore from a consensus

3:16:26standpoint? What would you like for us

3:16:28to explore?

3:16:31>> I got comment but I

3:16:32>> I would like to explore more options.

3:16:34right now what I heard today uh I mean

3:16:37if if we are concerned about long

3:16:40long-term commitment then there is

3:16:42nothing that we discuss here today

3:16:43doesn't pull us into long-term

3:16:45commitment

3:16:46and if we are okay with long-term

3:16:49commitment then we as a council need to

3:16:51decide that first before asking staff

3:16:54for exploring the options

3:16:57>> I would agree with that I also think

3:16:59this is way premature um if sing can

3:17:02rent the space. They need to rent the

3:17:05space that that you know this was an

3:17:10this was on our as I recall and you all

3:17:12you you that were here you can weigh in.

3:17:15This was to help them in case they could

3:17:18not rent this space that we that we

3:17:20would rent this space but they have the

3:17:22option of taking this 4,000 square feet

3:17:25and renting it on their own. I would

3:17:27much rather see that. This was an effort

3:17:30like I said just to help them kickstart

3:17:33everything and we don't even know where

3:17:35that is yet. So I would this is too

3:17:38premature for me and we need to explore

3:17:41more options.

3:17:43>> I believe I have mayor of the timber

3:17:45body.

3:17:45>> Um just really quick. So agree this is

3:17:50this to me is premature. But the thing

3:17:52is we also can't wait until a couple

3:17:55months before the opening of town center

3:17:59because there's going to whatever we do

3:18:01with the 4,000 square feet there's going

3:18:03to be some type of there's always some

3:18:06type of design work and then there's you

3:18:08know like everything takes so long. So I

3:18:12would think I don't need to decide it

3:18:14now but I think by January we ought to

3:18:16have some kind of plan and some kind of

3:18:19projection from Singh about whether

3:18:21we're going to get this space and how

3:18:23much it is and once we have that then we

3:18:27can talk about what we want to do with

3:18:29it. That would be kind of the path I

3:18:32would follow. I'd like to hear more

3:18:34options too. I mean, you know, let's I

3:18:37don't I don't think maybe

3:18:39dig much deeper into the co-working

3:18:43option. It doesn't seem to have general

3:18:44support the way I read the room. So,

3:18:46maybe rather than digging into that,

3:18:49maybe coming up with a couple of other

3:18:51options and then we'll lay them all out

3:18:54on the table and see what we like once

3:18:56we have more information from S.

3:18:58>> Yeah. And to your to your point that

3:19:00that is correct. The reason why we are

3:19:02bringing it up is because we are at the

3:19:04point where we need to define what the

3:19:06design will look like for that space. I

3:19:09believe I have Mayor Collie first and

3:19:11then I'm not sure which of the two went

3:19:13up first. Okay.

3:19:15>> Council member Johnson and then uh

3:19:16Council Member Patel. Mayor,

3:19:18>> so yes. And this is our park. This is

3:19:22our town center. And if we don't have

3:19:25this space to have bodies, we don't have

3:19:29anything in town center. So I I think

3:19:32this is important. This isn't a burden.

3:19:34This is a positive to have a presence

3:19:38for our town in the town center. So I

3:19:41want this 4,000 square feet. I don't

3:19:42want to sing, right? I I'd like us to be

3:19:45there. And I think having an innovation

3:19:47space in that space is brilliant.

3:19:55So, don't forget we do have a presence.

3:19:58We have a beautiful town green with a um

3:20:02that's going to have a gorgeous stage

3:20:04that we're going to be able to have

3:20:06events. So, we have a very significant

3:20:08presence in the town center, the town of

3:20:10Morsville does. Um

3:20:13so, Ann said something really important.

3:20:15I I think she's right. We do need to you

3:20:18can't wait till the last minute. I

3:20:20totally agree with that. But this

3:20:21building isn't even coming up out of the

3:20:23ground yet. So, so this is way

3:20:27premature. When I start seeing that

3:20:28building come out out of the ground,

3:20:30maybe that's the time to kind of talk

3:20:32about this. It is we still have lots of

3:20:35time and I don't know what that time

3:20:37frame is for that building, but um that

3:20:39would be important to know too.

3:20:44>> Council,

3:20:46>> so I think Brandon, you say it's 36

3:20:48months. That's what our commitment is

3:20:50was 36 months.

3:20:51>> That's correct. That's what our

3:20:52commitment

3:20:53>> a month, right?

3:20:55>> Oh,

3:20:56>> 160 a year

3:20:57>> based on about $40 a square foot, which

3:20:59is give or take market right now.

3:21:02>> And

3:21:03if we use use it for something that

3:21:06doesn't generate the revenue or pay for

3:21:08itself, where would these funds come

3:21:11from?

3:21:11>> You would have to budget for that.

3:21:13>> Okay. Thank you.

3:21:19I think I have council member Kesley.

3:21:26>> Um this will be a a shell space. Um or

3:21:29at least in the design it's um

3:21:34basically just a shell.

3:21:35>> It's a shell will be responsible for the

3:21:37outfit.

3:21:38>> Yep. Um how big is this room?

3:21:41>> 4,000 square feet.

3:21:42>> So this room is 4,000 council council

3:21:45room. this room. I'm not sure.

3:21:46>> Sorry.

3:21:51>> It's not 4,000.

3:21:52>> Yep. 4,000 is a pretty good space.

3:21:55>> Yeah. Trying to get a sense of scale of

3:21:58of how big the space is. I think it

3:21:59would be worth having um I mean that you

3:22:02already have the shell, the the drawings

3:22:03for that. Um it'd be nice to uh have

3:22:07that. And then some of the ideas that

3:22:09were um thrown out here uh like the

3:22:11incubator incubator um co-working um you

3:22:14know it's just a baseline um uh maybe

3:22:18the more um community center um vibe u

3:22:22that I think I I heard as well um you

3:22:26know the details of that whether it's an

3:22:29extension of Wake County um Wake County

3:22:31Library having a conversation with them.

3:22:33I mean, I guess that's only my thing

3:22:35that I brought up if there's support for

3:22:37that of investigating whether Wake

3:22:38County would be interested in that. Um,

3:22:41and I know that, you know, I'd be

3:22:42interested in the tool library, I'd be

3:22:44interested in, you know, grocery store,

3:22:45that sort of stuff. But obviously

3:22:47>> there's no if there's no support for um

3:22:49investigating those then obviously

3:22:51>> I just want to share we had the

3:22:52opportunity to have um municipal space

3:22:55in our in the library but we chose not

3:22:57to because they were charging us a

3:22:59certain number of dollar per square

3:23:02feet. So

3:23:03>> that council vote is against it but not

3:23:06every council member

3:23:08>> right. So, I'm just saying I don't know.

3:23:10I like the idea of partnering with them,

3:23:12but they would say you had the chance to

3:23:15do it within the library. Why would they

3:23:17pay to do it somewhere else?

3:23:22>> Nothing wrong with asking.

3:23:26>> Okay. So, if I I'm hearing that we would

3:23:29like to see more options and see what

3:23:31those options may look like. Um, and

3:23:34then we can come back with that and also

3:23:36the conversation as to whether uh Singh

3:23:38is able to to rent this space without us

3:23:41having to look for some other options.

3:23:43Anything else that I miss?

3:23:45>> Um, what are the restrictions on the

3:23:47space? Um, like could it be a

3:23:49restaurant? I would pro I guess not

3:23:51because you need grease trap for the

3:23:53restaurant. Grease strap is probably not

3:23:54included in the design of this space.

3:23:56>> Also, you don't need 4,000 ft for

3:23:58restaurant.

3:23:59>> Sure. Um,

3:24:01>> no, actually all of them

3:24:03will be having all those because no one

3:24:06knows what it is and it just saying go

3:24:09and start filling it out. So based on

3:24:11what is needed I just know for a

3:24:14restaurant you need to have the grease

3:24:15trap and that's pretty significant thing

3:24:17to have. Um and if you don't have that

3:24:20you don't you can't put a restaurant in

3:24:22there unless unless you wanted to do the

3:24:24work outside put the grease trap in. Um

3:24:27so

3:24:27>> we can find those details.

3:24:28>> Yeah. What are the restrictions on the

3:24:30use of the space? Certainly.

3:24:31>> Okay. It's also, I think, important to

3:24:33keep in mind that if there's a retail

3:24:35possibility, we want that to go through

3:24:37Singh. We don't want or have any desire

3:24:40or need to be in the retail business.

3:24:42So, you know, if there's interest in a

3:24:44grocery store, that would be something

3:24:46that Sing, you know, I'm sure is

3:24:47evaluating. Now, I've had some

3:24:48conversations with Obby. They're having

3:24:50good interest. Now, that doesn't

3:24:52necessarily translate to commitments,

3:24:53but he's got a couple commitments. Um,

3:24:56and he's working on others. So, I'll

3:24:57circle back with him on where he thinks

3:24:59he is with this space. Um and that will

3:25:02certainly be a factor in this as well.

3:25:04>> Well, thank you for uh your input and

3:25:06your feedback on this uh great

3:25:08information. The one last thing that we

3:25:11have related to this that um Amelia has

3:25:14prepared for you is the handouts that

3:25:15you have in front of you. Um, I know

3:25:18there have been a few questions here and

3:25:20there related to the small business

3:25:22support that we provide and Amelia has

3:25:24provided those handouts for you to be

3:25:27able to have some information on the

3:25:29information that she shares with small

3:25:31businesses when she does her visit. Um,

3:25:34recognizing our time right now, Amelia,

3:25:38any any particular highlights you just

3:25:40want to mention real quick?

3:25:42Um just so the very first page that you

3:25:45guys have that's really all of the

3:25:47highlights. Um this is from January of

3:25:50this year to October. Anything prior

3:25:52would be on the annual report. Um but

3:25:54we've done about 250 engagement touch

3:25:57points so far. And then the second

3:26:00handout is a more detailed overview.

3:26:03It's about three pages. So I won't get

3:26:05into all of that. I'll let you read

3:26:07through that your own time. side. The

3:26:09very last handout is something that I

3:26:12designed and I give out to the

3:26:14businesses during my small business

3:26:16visits. On the back side, there's doing

3:26:18business with the town of Morrisville,

3:26:20which I partnered with Karen Bats and

3:26:22finance to go over some of the

3:26:24procurement opportunities with the town.

3:26:27And then on the other side is a little

3:26:28bit about small business support,

3:26:30encouraging them to sign up for our

3:26:31newsletter. That's another one of the

3:26:33things. Um, just since January, we've

3:26:35had 50 new subscribers on our small

3:26:37business newsletter and we're very

3:26:40active on LinkedIn and we have a small

3:26:42business directory. The next event that

3:26:44I have is actually tomorrow. Um, and

3:26:47that is going to be with the West Kerry

3:26:49Business Alliance, which the Morrisville

3:26:51High School also partners with them, and

3:26:53that's for students interested in having

3:26:56either an internship with some of the

3:26:57businesses, job shadowing, maybe project

3:27:00based learning. And so one of the career

3:27:02development coordinators is going to

3:27:04come on. I think you know him Rob. He's

3:27:06going to be on the call tomorrow just

3:27:08sharing a little bit about what the West

3:27:09Cary business alliance does. So that

3:27:11will be tomorrow. And that particular

3:27:13event is actually as a result of one of

3:27:15the round table items as well that was

3:27:17presented. So I think um Mayor Presati

3:27:21had brought that up that round table. So

3:27:23that's the continuation of that work.

3:27:25Any questions on any of that? I know

3:27:28there's probably

3:27:30>> Okay. a lot of good information here.

3:27:32Um, and a lot of this information is

3:27:33also shared in the newsletter that is,

3:27:36uh, sent out. So, a lot of great work

3:27:38happening. Uh, but thank you for your

3:27:40input, Council Member

3:27:41>> Cesley.

3:27:45Soft copy.

3:27:47>> Yeah, we can certainly send that out.

3:27:49>> Um, so I just had a question about our

3:27:53um, small business Saturday event that

3:27:55will be taking place on Wednesday. Um is

3:27:58there a change of the name of that that

3:28:01is needed?

3:28:02>> Um it's not a small business Saturday

3:28:05event. Is our second annual small

3:28:07business resource fair. So we did it for

3:28:08the very first time last year. The real

3:28:11purpose of it is to connect resource

3:28:12providers in the community with our

3:28:14small businesses. Um but at that event

3:28:17it will be the the small business

3:28:18Saturday proclamation will be read there

3:28:21just to respect everyone's time and have

3:28:24it in front of all the business owners.

3:28:26that was the best place.

3:28:31>> Okay. Well, thank you. Appreciate the

3:28:32time.

3:28:33>> Thank you.

3:28:36>> So, the the next item would be the

3:28:38finance and personnel policy review. To

3:28:40council member Scrogggins, Johnson's

3:28:42question is this is another effort at

3:28:44transparency. Um, this is not addressing

3:28:47any problems. This is not that. This is

3:28:50again, you know, probably most of this,

3:28:52but it's an opportunity to give you uh

3:28:55ask any questions you may have, but it's

3:28:57really also about providing this

3:28:59information to the community. Again, um

3:29:01the intention was not to read through

3:29:03all those slides, but to hit highlights

3:29:05and answer questions, but if you would

3:29:06prefer to table that for now and move

3:29:09into close session, we could certainly

3:29:11bring that back after the first of the

3:29:12year.

3:29:14>> Can you make it 10 minutes?

3:29:18I I don't think it's 10 minutes.

3:29:21>> I have a whole list of questions.

3:29:23>> Okay. Just checking.

3:29:24>> I was just asking.

3:29:25>> This is not reschedu because I know a

3:29:30lot of questions would take at least an

3:29:32hour or more.

3:29:33>> Yeah. So, we'll we'll reschedule it, but

3:29:34it'll have to be after the first of the

3:29:36year. Your your calendars are way full

3:29:39right now.

3:29:40>> That's my only appointment in December.

3:29:43>> Yeah. So, if you do have questions you'd

3:29:46like to share in advance to make sure

3:29:47that you know we're prepared to answer

3:29:49those, that would be fantastic. It

3:29:51doesn't have to be tomorrow. Take a

3:29:52chance to look through it if you haven't

3:29:53had the opportunity. Again, it'll it'll

3:29:55be January before we can bring it back

3:29:58and happy to bring back more answers

3:30:00with it.

3:30:02>> I appreciate that. Of course, council

3:30:05member Kess um if someone uh um you know

3:30:10entity or whatnot organization um ends

3:30:13up um

3:30:16you know looking uh asking us about you

3:30:19know our our our financial stuff and all

3:30:21that kind of stuff. Is the presentation

3:30:23a point or at least the information we

3:30:25shared that you know we're doing well

3:30:29going to have a discussion about it.

3:30:30We're going to have a discussion, you

3:30:32know, at this date or in, you know,

3:30:35soon.

3:30:36>> Yeah. And we'll we'll bring it back as

3:30:38soon as it's practical after the first

3:30:39of the year.

3:30:40>> But I guess telling anybody that comes

3:30:43um you know, asking about what we're

3:30:44doing, just letting them know that we're

3:30:47having that conversation.

3:30:48>> Correct.

3:30:51>> Is that regarding the policies or is

3:30:53regarding finance? I'm confused. um the

3:30:56discussion that uh we were going to have

3:30:59on

3:31:03>> so it's my understanding that we have

3:31:06policies about how our finances are

3:31:08managed about how our staff is

3:31:11compensated about the risk mitigation

3:31:16that we've been doing related to pecards

3:31:20and other financial tools

3:31:22I have many questions about current and

3:31:27potential changes.

3:31:30And if you wanted

3:31:32I know I've talked to a couple of you. I

3:31:34did not talk to you before the meeting.

3:31:36I apologize. But I have many questions

3:31:39that could lead to some discussion about

3:31:42policy. So the public has the

3:31:45presentation.

3:31:46They can ask us or staff questions about

3:31:50that. We can also submit questions to

3:31:53staff so that we can have a more robust

3:31:56discussion because I really would like

3:31:58to dig in and this could be a multi-hour

3:32:01discussion. I'm just trying to be

3:32:03sensitive to time

3:32:05>> and comparison from

3:32:09these policies already exist

3:32:11>> you know like discussion would be as if

3:32:16we are not ready with it but these

3:32:17policy are there as of now and we're

3:32:20trying to tighten it more so if any

3:32:24areas that they can do so but it's it's

3:32:27not like a discussion you're starting to

3:32:29have a policy it's already existing most

3:32:31of

3:32:32I guess if someone's asking us for you

3:32:35know what are you doing about you know

3:32:37this that and the other can this can the

3:32:39presentation be shared with them and say

3:32:40that

3:32:41>> yes it's in the agenda package

3:32:42>> we're going to have we're going to have

3:32:43the conversation next year

3:32:45>> correct

3:32:51>> okay thank you

3:32:53>> okay so we're moving away from that so

3:32:56we'll postpone that um

3:32:59>> to make a motion to the

3:33:08Okay. Um I did change a motion to move

3:33:10that second work session item which was

3:33:14town governance policy review to

3:33:17sometime a future meeting probably after

3:33:19January 1st.

3:33:20>> I'd like to make a motion that we move

3:33:22the

3:33:23>> government

3:33:23>> town governance policy discussion to uh

3:33:26sometime in January.

3:33:28>> Second.

3:33:29>> All those in favor please say I. I

3:33:31>> I any opposed hearing? None that carries

3:33:33unanimously. 70. Thank you very much for

3:33:35preparing everything.

3:33:36>> Uh we will get our questions to you in

3:33:38advance as much as possible to make it a

3:33:40little bit easier and we are al always

3:33:43welcome to discuss amongst ourselves. So

3:33:44thank you for starting to do that

3:33:46already. Uh anything for the good of the

3:33:48order sir before we go into close

3:33:49session. Okay. We have two close

3:33:51sessions this evening. One to discuss

3:33:53personnel matter. Oh, one to discuss

3:33:55personnel matter and one for attorney

3:33:57client privilege. Um, this is, I

3:34:01believe, the end of our public business.

3:34:03Um, so thank you very much for watching

3:34:04this meeting with Morrisville Town

3:34:05Council. Is there a motion? Can we put

3:34:07the Do we have both of them up there?

3:34:09>> I'd like to make a motion that we enter

3:34:11close session pursuant to

3:34:12NCGS143-318.11.A3

3:34:17and 6 to protect attorney client

3:34:20privilege and to discuss a personnel

3:34:22matter.

3:34:23>> Second motion from Mayor Pat, a second

3:34:26council member Patel. All those in favor

3:34:27of going to close session for those two

3:34:28items, please say I. I. Any opposed?

3:34:31Hearing none, that carries unanimously.

3:34:33It is 9:20. We are now in close session.

3:34:35Thank you very much.

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