2026-09-03 - Planning and Zoning Board

12:42way. [clears throat]

12:46>> So, I got a cost estimate from the

12:48school district turn.

15:31So I guess if she will be a voting

15:34member,

15:53I would like to call to order the

15:55September meeting of the Morrisville

15:56Planning and Zoning Award. If you will

15:58please join me for the pledge of

15:59allegiance

16:05to the flag of the United States of

16:08America and to the standy

16:16for all.

16:19>> Thank you. [clears throat]

16:22Do we have any changes to the agenda?

16:25>> No, chairman, we do not.

16:27>> Uh, then I will entertain a motion to

16:29approve the agenda.

16:31>> Motion to approve the agenda.

16:33>> Uh, do we have a second?

16:37>> I.

16:38>> Yes. Second. Yeah. All in favor?

16:41>> I.

16:42>> Carries unanimously. Thank you. Um,

16:47do we have anyone here for public

16:49comment that's outside of anything? We

16:51don't seem to. Okay, thank you. Um, any

16:54changes or comments on the minutes from

16:56last meeting?

16:59Okay, then I will entertain a motion to

17:01approve the minutes from the last

17:02meeting.

17:03>> Motion to approve the minutes.

17:05>> And do we have a second?

17:10>> Yeah.

17:11>> Okay. Yeah. Uh all in favor I

17:14>> that motion carries unanimously. Thank

17:16you. Uh and I should introduce Justin

17:19Malier

17:20Mier. Uh he is a new member. Um so thank

17:25you. Um I guess we can jump right into

17:28the comprehensive transportation plan

17:30update

17:31with Brett Martin.

17:41All right. Good evening, Chair Langston

17:44and members of the board, and welcome

17:46new member Malleier. Right. I'm pretty

17:49confident this is going to be your

17:50favorite item on the on the board as you

17:54go along. So, I just want to mention

17:55that. Um, I am Brett Martin,

17:58transportation project manager with the

18:00town. Um, and I'm going to walk you

18:01through this today. Uh let me get this

18:05to the appropriate position in the slide

18:08deck. So I last came to you back in June

18:11to share our spring engagement results

18:14when we solicited input

18:16uh from the public on overall modal

18:18priorities, project evaluation

18:21priorities for each mode and specific

18:23transportation improvement project

18:25concepts.

18:27Uh we also reviewed the project

18:29prioritization framework and results for

18:31the roadway and intersection uh project

18:33concepts that were included in the

18:36universal projects and we shared the

18:38preliminary assignment of roadway

18:41cross-sections if you remember to the

18:43specific roadway segments throughout the

18:45uh comprehensive transportation plan

18:47update study area.

18:50And for tonight's item, I will share

18:52with you the results of our greenway

18:53priorization exercise, which we did not

18:55cover with you in June. We will then

18:58cover the proposed cross-section

19:00schematics

19:01that lay out the actual roadway elements

19:04and dimensions for each roadway in the

19:07comprehensive transportation plan study

19:09area. And up to this point um in the

19:13plan development process, we have been

19:16focused on the what, where, and why in

19:20terms of transportation improvements

19:22throughout the town. But with the

19:24development of the implementation plan

19:26that I will share with you tonight, we

19:28are transitioning to the who, when, and

19:31how for those improvements. So, uh we

19:35will cover that with you here in a

19:38moment. Um, we also will hit on

19:40recommendations from staff for priority

19:43intersections that will carry that we

19:45will carry forward for further

19:47operational and safety focused study and

19:50improvement. And we'll provide a

19:52briefing on some other tasks that we're

19:55doing that have already been kicked off

19:56that are kind of uh related to the CTP

19:59and to some extent will inform the CTP.

20:03uh one is a town roadway landscaping

20:05guidelines uh the development of those

20:07guidelines and the other is uh the

20:10assessment for a signalized pedestrian

20:12crossing uh of aviation parkway at or

20:16near the entrance to HSNC. Then we'll

20:18talk about next steps and then we'll uh

20:21turn it over to you for discussion and

20:22to receive any feedback that you have.

20:25All right. So just in to reorient you to

20:28where we are in the overall CTP update

20:31process, we have moved the needle a

20:34little bit and we are pretty much in the

20:36zone of moving between the action plan

20:39and documentation kind of stage of the

20:42process and then moving into the

20:45consideration of plan adoption. But we

20:47do have a few more steps to go before we

20:48get to that consideration of plan

20:51adoption. um which I'll talk about a

20:53little bit later in the next steps

20:56section. Um just to kind of also zero in

20:59on where we are in our project

21:00recommendations development process. If

21:03we look at the development,

21:05prioritization and programming of of

21:06actual project concepts, we are in the

21:09final stage of that process where I am

21:11sharing final recommendations with you

21:13today. They're not final until you make

21:14a recommendation later this fall into

21:17the winter, but they're final in terms

21:19of being the recommendations that staff

21:21is is putting in front of you. Okay. So,

21:25just to move on now to the greenway

21:28prioritization and results to fill you

21:29in on that.

21:31Um, to start, I'd like to reiterate

21:35what informed the development of the

21:37greenway prioritization framework. Um,

21:40first of all, we go back to the CTP

21:42guiding principles that we developed

21:44very early in the process, uh, going

21:47back almost a year and a looking at

21:50those and what do those tell us about

21:52what we need to do in the greenway

21:53landscape. um public stakeholder

21:55planning and zoning board and town

21:56council feedback along the way. Of

21:58course, deficiencies that we've

22:00identified from existing conditions and

22:02whether you like it or not, the funding

22:05program criteria and areas of emphasis

22:08used by external funding parties such as

22:10NC DOT and Campo through the programs,

22:13the primary programs where we can

22:15actually get external funding to

22:16implement a lot of these projects. Um,

22:19similar to the roadway and intersection

22:21prioritization framework that I shared

22:23back in June, this approach balances the

22:26interests of the town with those of

22:28external funding parties to better

22:29position improvements for actual funding

22:32opportunities and funding. The external

22:34funding partners part parties generally

22:37focus on things like safety looking at

22:40crashes and the severity of crashes,

22:42cost effectiveness, demand based on

22:45density,

22:46um accessibility, connectivity,

22:48overcoming major barriers and filling

22:50gaps through a balanced local regional

22:53lens. that there's an additional layer

22:55of town focus that we added with our

22:58greenway prioritization here that

22:59focuses on access to recreation,

23:02educational opportunities, community

23:04points of interest, and transit through

23:06a local lens. So, we're really focused

23:08on getting people around at a local

23:10level kind of on top of this larger

23:13level of what generates demand for

23:15greenway use, what, you know, how is

23:18this solving a safety problem as a

23:19separated facility from a roadway, that

23:22sort of thing. Um, I would also like to

23:24note that there are several proposed

23:26bike and pedestrian facilities such as

23:29side paths that are recommended in

23:32actual roadway rideways of course as you

23:36know you you would have seen last time

23:38when we shared um what the

23:41cross-sections look like for roadways

23:42and I'll share in a minute and those

23:43were prioritized through the roadway and

23:46intersection prioritization process. So

23:48those are not part of this greenway

23:49prioritization process. Um, however,

23:52there was a bicycle and pedestrian

23:55component to the scoring criteria for

23:58the roadway and intersection projects

24:00that adjusted for that. So, if you're

24:02interested in side paths and you know

24:05that are actually in roadway rights of

24:06way, that's not what this prioritization

24:08process does or did. Okay. And just to

24:13provide a connection back to uh the

24:16results of our public engagement effort

24:18back in April and to bridge that to our

24:21prioritization criteria, I want to just

24:24cover a bit of what we heard from the

24:27public as it relates to bicycle and

24:29pedestrian priorities. Uh safety was by

24:32far the number one priority that was

24:35indicated through the survey that we had

24:36out at the time. And then a close second

24:39um close distant however you want to

24:41look at it second was filling gaps in

24:43the existing network. And then after

24:44that it kind of dropped off with the

24:46other three multimodal connectivity

24:47activity center access and benefit

24:50versus cost. The reason I'm bringing

24:52that to you is because we really want

24:55what we heard from the public to

24:56influence

24:58the our prioritization. If it's if it's

25:01important to the public then it's

25:03important to us. Um so

25:06um how did public feedback really

25:08influence the prioritization framework?

25:10Well in the criteria first in the

25:13criteria development uh we had quite an

25:17emphasis on filling gaps and access to

25:19prominent origins and um destinations

25:22were given also more uh emphasis. We

25:24also included a specific public outreach

25:26criterion

25:28and the actual definition of the metrics

25:31which dictate how the criteria were

25:34measured was also influenced by

25:36community feedback. However, keep in

25:38mind we have to balance what people in

25:42the community want with the realities of

25:44being able to deliver projects that come

25:46down to access to external funding as I

25:49mentioned earlier. So this needs to be

25:50balanced with that with feasibility

25:52considerations for being able to tap

25:54into that external funding.

25:57All right. So how are the criteria and

25:59their respective weights

26:01um assigned? Well, you can see that

26:05emphasis that I just mentioned on

26:07filling gaps. not going to go into each

26:09of these real, you know, in in a lot of

26:11depth, but you can see that emphasis on

26:13filling the gaps and access to different

26:15types of prominent origins and

26:17destinations that I mentioned me

26:19mentioned. Um, we actually had multiple

26:22criteria that get at different things

26:24that are important to the community. uh

26:27community points of interest which would

26:29be like okay

26:31uh major activity centers future future

26:34town center f you know that sort of

26:37thing recreation opportunities education

26:40opportunities also we have to think

26:41multimmodally here so uh you know what

26:45kind of access do we have to transit we

26:48also had of course balancing with those

26:51external funding partners and their

26:53criteria what is the population density

26:56of the cats area, you know, are we

26:58serving an area that has enough people

27:00that live close by that that can make

27:03use of it, benefit cost? And then also

27:06we looked at planning consistency and

27:07public outreach.

27:10All right, so here are the results. The

27:12results are showed on this map, but

27:14they're also included as attachment one

27:15in your agenda packet. Um but what this

27:19slide is showing is generally and where

27:22the results landed is generally the

27:24highest priorities are greenway segments

27:25that provide completely new connections

27:27just completely new connections

27:30completely unserved areas where they're

27:32it's connecting people or different

27:35destinations to other people

27:38where pe places where people live and

27:40destinations. Um so that's really that's

27:45really kind of where this landed the

27:48highest priority scores uh for through

27:50the prioritization

27:53made at Milspring Greenway from

27:54Paramount Parkway to Transformation

27:56Roadway Tech. That's that's really G12

27:59you see up here really rose to the top.

28:02There's a proposed Church Street Park

28:04RTP greenway and that is in dotted that

28:08that is that is not a solid line there

28:11because that's still in question in

28:13terms of whether we can implement it.

28:15It's not in the town of Morrisville,

28:17right? Whether we can implement it and

28:18how it can be implemented to serve the

28:20purposes that we have in mind. Uh,

28:22interestingly, the Lexi Lane Greenway

28:24down here that's,

28:26you know, kind of connecting the far

28:29southeastern part of Morrisville to

28:30Kerry, scored really high. Um, Sturup

28:34Iron Creek Greenway, which is along the

28:37eastern boundary of Morrisville, scored

28:39really well as well. And then various

28:42connectors to the Millspring Greenway

28:44and Fairview Greenway um up here and

28:47down here. Now I want to me I I want to

28:52emphasize that prioritization

28:55does not mean

28:57programming. It does not it

28:59prioritization just because something

29:01was prioritized high here does not mean

29:04that oh my gosh we really got to do that

29:06Lexi Lane Greenway within the next five

29:08years. Um, it is meant to be a tool for

29:12project programming and is among is is

29:15one of many factors that drives

29:18recommendations for the order of project

29:20delivery. And so I'll talk more about

29:21that as we get into the implementation

29:23plan.

29:24All right, let's move along to our

29:26proposed and recommended roadway

29:28cross-section schematics.

29:30I do [clears throat] want to quickly

29:32review what purpose these serve before

29:34we get into them again.

29:37So just to of course plainly state what

29:41the roadway cross-sections are, these

29:44show exactly what roadway elements are

29:47proposed and recommended including their

29:49dimensions and overall space needs. So

29:52this is really like okay if you're

29:54interested in I want to know what

29:56McCrimman Parkway is supposed to look

29:58like if we implement all the

30:00recommendations in the plan. That's the

30:02cross-section that's assigned to

30:04McCreman Parkway is that's what this is.

30:06It'll look exactly like this. So, it

30:09what it does is it clarifies what each

30:11straight street is designed to do. It

30:13provides a a guide for future

30:14infrastructure development. Really a

30:17focus in our development of these is

30:18improving safety and accessibility for

30:20all users for all modes. We also use

30:24this to align street design with land

30:26use and community character. You will

30:27see as we get closer to town, the future

30:30town center, the street uh elements

30:33change a little bit, right? They become

30:35a little bit more focused on serving the

30:38goal of what town center as a place is

30:41meant to serve. It sets clear

30:43predictable expectations for developers.

30:45We put this in the CTP. Developers come

30:47along and develop a site. This is what

30:49you have to put in as frontage as

30:52frontage improvements for your

30:53development or you have to pay in lie of

30:55that. Um, and then it also balances NC

30:58DOT's interests with the towns. We have

31:00a lot of facilities that are the towns,

31:02Carrington Mill, Paramount, you know

31:04that the town hall drop that the town

31:07can do whatever they want with. I don't

31:09I wouldn't say whatever, but have we

31:11have a lot more flexibility, but keep in

31:12mind most of the thares in in town are

31:14DOT maintained and owned. So, we have to

31:18work with that and what their standards

31:20are. All right. All right. So, to get

31:22into the cross-sections themselves, this

31:24was included as attachment two in your

31:25agenda packet. Uh, there are 19 total

31:28cross-sections with five cross-section

31:31bases that were applied throughout the

31:33town to various roadway segments,

31:35specific roadway segments. The bases are

31:38two-lane undivided, two-lane divided,

31:40threelane undivided, and then four-lane

31:43divided, and six lane divided. We don't

31:46do anything undivided after when we get

31:48above three lanes. That becomes a

31:49dangerous situation. Um and medians are

31:53really important for being able to

31:56separate vehicles making opposing

31:58movements um down a thorough affair uh

32:01for safety purposes.

32:03Um there's various configurations of

32:06sidewalks, side paths, bike lanes, and

32:08on street parking added to the five

32:09bases that you'll see. Uh these were all

32:12determined by existing conditions. The

32:14universal projects, regional

32:16transportation planning efforts like the

32:1820 55 metropolitan transportation plan

32:21developed by Campo, the public planning

32:24and zoning board and town council

32:25feedback that we've received along the

32:27way. Um again, I want to reiterate the

32:31right of way needs. One of the things

32:32important about whenever we change up

32:35cross-sections from what's in the

32:36current 2019 CTP is what impacts does

32:39that have to the right of way? Um, which

32:42has impacts to property owners along the

32:44along the corridors that are involved.

32:47Well, the right-of-way needs for all of

32:49the updated crosssections fall within

32:51the applicable previous cross-section

32:53ride-of-way ranges in the 2019 CTP, but

32:57they are all above the minimum of that

33:00range. And part of that is because we

33:01are squeezing in

33:03side paths in places where we didn't

33:06previously have side paths recommended.

33:08We're squeezing in a buffer for bike

33:10lanes where we've never we have that's

33:13the first time that the town is doing

33:15that. So all of that that stuff takes

33:18space and whenever you need to take more

33:20space it requires a little bit more

33:23rideway. However, they all fall within

33:25the range. If you go back to the oop, if

33:27you go back to the CTP,

33:30there's a range that's provided for all

33:32for for most of the rightway rides of

33:34way. Also, I want to note, you don't see

33:37this in your materials, but the specific

33:39sides of roadway elements for segments

33:41with asymmetrical configurations will be

33:44noted in the CTP document. There are

33:46many crosssections where there's a side

33:49path on one side and a sidewalk on the

33:51other or there's on street parking on

33:52one side. [clears throat] And this

33:55doesn't tell you, well, I want to know I

33:57want to know what side of the street

33:58that's supposed to be on exactly. And

34:00yes, we know we have to do that. If

34:02we're going to give that to a developer,

34:03it has to be clear to them. Oh, the

34:04parking needs to be on this side or the

34:06side path needs to be on this side. That

34:08will be that will be laid out in the CTP

34:10document. But you're not seeing that in

34:12the materials that you have. All right.

34:15So, just some notable changes to the

34:17roadway cross-section assignment from

34:19the June meeting when we shared this

34:20with you. Um

34:23nothing big has not not a lot has

34:27changed. Okay. We did do uh some

34:29stakeholder interviews since we last

34:31came to you. We did stakeholder

34:32interviews with our close transportation

34:35planning and project programming

34:38partners. So that would be the town of

34:40Kerry,

34:41Campo, NC DOT and really research

34:45triangle foundation as well because of

34:47some of the some of the interests we've

34:49had in that area. Um the biggest change

34:53to roadway cross-section assignment

34:56really is how we are treating the

34:58western the wake BRT wake bus rapid

35:00transit western corridor extension that

35:03is proposed to run along NC54

35:06coming into the southeast part of

35:09Morrisville from Kerry down Weston

35:12Parkway. It leaves it leaves Morrisville

35:14and goes back into Kerry. Then it comes

35:16up Evans and still in Kerry. It

35:19re-enters Morrisville as Evans

35:22approaches Aviation Parkway and then it

35:25it runs along McCreman Parkway and then

35:28it comes back up NC54 and leaves the

35:30north side of Morrisville on NC54.

35:33[snorts] We did not have bus lanes in

35:36our cross-section for that. when we came

35:38to you in June in speaking with the town

35:41of Kerry, Campo and NC DOT, we have now

35:45added bus lanes to that because in the

35:482045 or 2055 MTP, but in the 2045

35:53decade of the MTP, Campo does have in

35:56there the addition of those buses. That

36:00investment, however, is that is

36:02currently set to have an opening year of

36:042032. when it is when at in opening year

36:07it will not have bus lanes but they are

36:09they are planned to be added later. So

36:11we did include that in the crosssection.

36:14McCway is an interesting animal because

36:16what's out there today it there's it has

36:19bike lanes and it has side paths and

36:22that's great if you are a bicyclist you

36:24have all these opportunities and all

36:26these options.

36:28However, um when we implement part of

36:31the plan here is when we implement the

36:34additional bus lanes though the bike

36:36lanes will go away. The side paths will

36:38stay but the bike lanes will go away

36:40mainly because bike lanes on a three

36:43lane what ultimately will be a

36:45three-lane thoroughare

36:47with the activity that is expected with

36:50uh with the the the BRT service is

36:54probably not a very safe solution.

36:57Um, so and

37:00we're we're getting into a situation

37:02where there's again there's only so much

37:04ride of way and so we have to find some

37:07space somewhere. Okay.

37:10Um, Morrisville Carpenter Road that

37:13includes side paths on both sides. We we

37:15went back and forth with side paths

37:17versus um bike lanes on Morrisville

37:21Carpenter Road.

37:23The problem there is there's not a lot

37:26of development opportunity on

37:28Morrisville Carpenter Road right now. A

37:30lot of what's on Morrisville Carpenter

37:31Road is already developed and it's not

37:33old. It's not really old development

37:36while there might be some opportunities.

37:38So, it's really really difficult with

37:40the development environment along there

37:41to get side paths with the ride ofway

37:45that exists anytime soon. But I do think

37:49it is worthwhile to have the an ultimate

37:52solution in mind of side paths on that

37:54thorough affair. So in the however in

37:57the interim which is it's a more

37:59achievable more

38:02realistic sort of approach in the in the

38:06in the near term to have bus or to have

38:10uh bike lanes

38:12um on Morrisville Carpenter Road. Keep

38:14in mind also that the Hatcher Hatcher

38:16greenway is parallel too. So there is

38:20another option there that's off-road for

38:22bicyclists to use. Church Street is a

38:25three-lane divided uh or sorry

38:27three-lane undivided from Carolina

38:29Street to Mason Farm Road and it's just

38:32two-lane undivided north of Mason Farm

38:34Road. That's really just a change that's

38:36being realistic about the fact that

38:38north of Mason Farm Road, why would we

38:40have a center turn lane when one whole

38:42side of it is railroad? Who's going to

38:45turn into the railroad? Nobody. Well,

38:48hopefully nobody. Um, so that's what

38:50that's what's going on there. I do want

38:53to just mention some other important

38:55cross-section notes um on what you would

38:58see in your packets to talk about the

39:00dimensions of a lot of things. Um, there

39:02are bike lanes on all applicable c the

39:05bike lanes on all applicable

39:06crosssections. They're not everywhere.

39:08If you and of course we've talked in the

39:09past, we're actually trying to get away

39:12from having facilities with with as many

39:15bike as many facilities with bike lanes

39:17and move more toward the side path

39:18separated sort of solution. But those

39:20that do have bike lanes, they are five

39:22feet with a three-foot buffer. Last time

39:24we spoke with you, it was just six feet

39:26with no buffer. Now we've gone to five

39:28feet with a three-foot buffer. Travel

39:31lanes are 11 feet wide. Sidewalks are

39:32six feet wide. Uh that's narrowing the

39:35travel lanes. That's increasing the

39:38width a little bit of the sidewalks. The

39:39sidewalk width we have right now in the

39:41CTP is uh 5T. Travel lanes were 12 feet.

39:45Side paths are 10 feet wide. Verges,

39:48which is the area between the curb of a

39:49roadway of travel lanes on a roadway and

39:51the sidewalk, 5t wide. Center turn lanes

39:54where we have them are 12 feet wide.

39:57uh two-lane divided roadway medians are

40:0018 feet wide and four-lane divided

40:02roadway medians or more go up to six

40:05lane are 23 feet wide. The reason

40:07there's a difference there is because

40:10there's in a on a two-lane divided

40:12roadway. There's very very minimal

40:14chance there's ever going to be opposing

40:16turn lanes that need to be installed. On

40:19a four-lane divided roadway, there could

40:21be. And we run into that throughout town

40:24um here and there where you may have to

40:27have opposing turn lanes separate from

40:28the through lanes that need to be

40:31squeezed in. And the only way you're

40:33going to squeeze them in is if you have

40:34enough space, right? And so 23 feet

40:36allows for that to happen and for some

40:39channelization to still occur so that

40:41you're not you're not setting them up to

40:43conflict with one another. On a two-lane

40:46roadway, you're never you're not really

40:48ever going to run into that. on street

40:50parking is eight feet wide and bus

40:52lanes, it's important to note bus lanes

40:54are not assigned to a specific side of

40:57the roadway because we don't yet know

40:58until until these uh BRT projects really

41:02get into the thick of project

41:04development. We don't know if they're

41:06going to be interior center running uh

41:09BRT or if they're going to be outside

41:11running BRT. So, the best way to deal

41:14with that is for the us to just assume

41:17we're going to be cutting something out

41:18of a really wide median.

41:21And if if we cut something out of a

41:22really wide wide median, what we cut out

41:25of the median could be, you know, it

41:27could be a a lane, just a a regular

41:30travel lane, and then we push if it's

41:32for outside if we just if it's decided

41:34we'll do outside running BRT, then we'll

41:37have the bus lane on the outside. If

41:38it's decided we'll do inside running

41:40BRT, then we'll cut out from the media

41:43and the bus lane and that'll be the bus

41:44lane. So that's how we have proposed to

41:46handle that when we don't really know

41:48the answer to that question until that

41:51until those projects get a little bit

41:52more um steam behind them and we figure

41:56more things out. All right, so I want to

41:58talk a little bit about the

41:59implementation plan as well. That's the

42:01other big thing in front of you. And

42:02again, this really breaks down to who,

42:04when, and how. we already addressed for

42:07most of the process the what, where and

42:09why. Um the who is is the entity that is

42:14assumed to be responsible for one or

42:16more steps for advancing a project from

42:19planning to delivery. So that could be

42:22the town itself, that could be NC DOT,

42:24that could be Campo, that could be

42:27developers,

42:28um that could be a neighboring

42:30jurisdiction,

42:32but the who in many cases, and I'll make

42:35I'll kind of follow up on this point

42:36later, the who in many cases in the

42:38draft implementation plan is influenced

42:41by such considerations as who has

42:44ownership of the impacted facilities,

42:46who has the technical capacity and

42:48funding or control of the funding, to

42:51deliver the project, whether the project

42:53would even be competitive in receiving

42:56funding controlled by an entity and many

42:59other considerations. So the who isn't

43:01just like, oh, we feel like doing, you

43:03know, the town feels like doing this or

43:04we think DOT feels like doing this. No,

43:07the who is very much influenced by the

43:10scale of projects, how competitive

43:12projects are in the environment, you

43:15know, with the who that's being

43:16considered and that sort of thing. The

43:18when is the time frame the projects are

43:20recommended for delivery or at least to

43:22be the foc focus for the town. They're

43:24breaking into fiveyear increments there.

43:27Immediate, near-term, immediate term,

43:29near-term, midterm, and long-term. The

43:32how is very much about the source of

43:35funding that we would pursue, which

43:38often ties to the who as well and

43:39sometimes also ties to the when. But it

43:43also includes how projects are defined

43:45into implementable segments and

43:47strategies for delivering them. Um so I

43:50wanted to make that point.

43:52Implementation uh moving on to some

43:54implementation plan background notes. I

43:57mentioned I hit on this a little bit

43:58earlier. Project prioritization is not

44:02projecting.

44:03Again, prioritization is a tool used to

44:06identify the greatest needs based on

44:08current conditions regardless of

44:10feasibility. But in the real world,

44:12there's this thing called feasibility.

44:14There's a whole lot of feasibility

44:15considerations that have to be taken in

44:17into account. So while programming is

44:21informed by prioritization and that's a

44:23major tool and a major thing it's

44:25informed by, it is also influenced by

44:27factors such as funding availability,

44:30project readiness, project efficiencies,

44:33partner coordination, plan future

44:35conditions, implementation feasibility,

44:37and so forth. So I want to really make

44:39sure that we drive that point home. The

44:41who, when, and how projects are

44:43recommended for delivery. I hit on this

44:44a little bit and the project feasibility

44:47and funding sources assumed are

44:48influenced by the scale and cost of

44:50projects. Generally, the smaller

44:53projects are more suitable for t for

44:55town funding and implementation. The

44:57town only has so much technical capacity

45:00and funding on its own to deliver

45:03transportation projects. Generally,

45:05those will be smaller projects. larger

45:07projects those are more suitable for

45:09external funding sources and external

45:11agency implementation.

45:13Most bike prep projects in the roadway

45:16rights of way will be provided over time

45:20with development or imple or they will

45:22be implemented with roadway projects. A

45:25lot of this is going to be very

45:27peacemeal, right? Just because we if you

45:30see a project, just because it says NC

45:32DOT will do this project doesn't mean

45:35that along the way as our CTP works to

45:38help implement what we want from

45:41development that we won't get pieces of

45:44that ultimate vision

45:47from devel from the development

45:48community as the town continues to

45:49develop or redevelop.

45:51The CTP also I want to make the point it

45:54builds from the 2019 CTP projects and

45:57progress to date on the recommendations

45:59are incl will be included therein. You

46:01did get an attachment four which lays

46:04out the projects that are being carried

46:06forward those that have been removed

46:08from further consideration that were in

46:10the 2019 CTP and the new projects that

46:12were not in that. But the point here is

46:14we aren't starting over. there's you

46:17know 2019 projects and the progress

46:19toward advancing them is really

46:22operating as our base.

46:24Okay. So let's get into them. The in the

46:27immediate term

46:29um this is the five year within the

46:31fiveyear horizon from the t from the

46:33time the CTP is adopted which is we're

46:37targeting for next spring. Um, it is

46:42designed to be what the town is either

46:43already focusing on or will within the

46:46next 5 years. And it's meant to be

46:48limited here. You don't see a really

46:51long list of projects and they're not

46:53big projects, right? But it is meant to

46:55be limited because of limited resources

46:57that we have available. And again, it

46:59goes back to sort of that what do we

47:01have the technical capacity to deliver?

47:04Uh, the inter you see a number of

47:05intersection improvements there. That's

47:07actually where most of the town's

47:08transportation problems are based on all

47:10of the existing conditions analysis that

47:12we've done. Slater Road at Serell Grove

47:14Church Road, NC54 at Morrisville

47:17Parkway, NC54 at Keybridge Drive, Church

47:20Street at Treybrook Drive, Church Street

47:22at Jeremiah Street, Downing Glenn Drive

47:24at Town Hall Drive, Church Street at

47:26Downing Glenn, and Davis Drive at

47:28Morrisville Carpenter Road. Um, for a

47:32roadway project, also something the

47:34town's been working on for a while. is

47:36more Morrisville Parkway access

47:37management and safety improvements. So

47:40that's also something that we're going

47:41to continue to focus on and we're

47:43recommending to continue to focus on in

47:44the next five years to deliver the

47:46improvements that have been designed for

47:49that. Um, and then also the Crabtree

47:52Creek Greenway connector, which is a new

47:55project that ties to what I'll be

47:57talking about in a moment, which is

47:58aviation parkway uh pedestalized

48:01pedestrian crossing assessment, but that

48:03would connect

48:05uh from wherever we are able to put in a

48:08pedestrian crossing across Aviation

48:09Parkway from there to the Crabtree Creek

48:12Greenway, which is not that far away

48:14where it runs. So, and as I said

48:17earlier, at or near the entrance of

48:19HSNC.

48:21All right, we go to near-term. We're

48:23getting to the 10-year horizon. This is

48:25to be implemented within 10 years or to

48:28have have a strong focus on delivering

48:29them within the next 10 years. Um,

48:33intersection improvements. Here you see

48:35uh NC54 at Northwest Kerry Parkway,

48:37Slater Road at Carrington Mill

48:39Boulevard, Davis Drive at Parkside

48:41Valley Drive. uh roadway projects.

48:44Church Street's uh center turn lane from

48:46Mason Farm Road to Carolina Street.

48:48That's probably one where we we might

48:51want to we're probably going to rely on

48:52a lot of development to provide rather

48:55than it being some type of standalone

48:56project that we go out and deliver uh

49:00greenway projects. You see the Fairview

49:01Greenway, Connector, Strup Iron Creek

49:03Greenway, Milsbury Creek uh Greenway,

49:06Sawmill Creek Greenway and Connector,

49:08and the Triangle Bikeway and Connector.

49:10And you see some B You may remember we

49:13talked very early in the process that

49:14actually this re the recommendation to

49:17even have these came from the planning

49:19and zoning board which is the bike ped

49:22connections

49:23over the North Carolina Railroad. Um and

49:27you see two there are in the near term.

49:29One is at Kits Creek Road and that would

49:31connect over to NC54 and the other is

49:34Barbie road to connect over to NC54.

49:36Interestingly, and gladly, those

49:40projects are pretty competitive in the

49:42lap uh landscape, the the Campo lap

49:46landscape for that funding source. Um,

49:49so just based on how some of the

49:52criteria they have laid out, being able

49:54to cross that those types of barriers

49:56with a bicycle and pedestrian project

49:59actually scores pretty well. So, just

50:01wanted to mention that midterm is 15

50:04years. Um you see the roadway pro I'm

50:06not going to go into a lot of depth as

50:08we're going farther out further out in

50:10time. Um

50:12again within 15 years or we'll focus on

50:14it within the next 15 years. Uh but you

50:17see the projects there. A lot of roadway

50:18projects are falling into that time

50:21frame. Um

50:23a lot of that has to do with where a lot

50:25of these larger roadway projects land in

50:28the Metropolitan Transportation Plan.

50:31And then long-term a number of projects

50:33there that's 20 plus years. Um

50:38so just you see you see there probably

50:40not as you know these are not

50:42necessarily um the highest priority

50:45projects. That doesn't mean that they're

50:46not important.

50:48um

50:50still there's still a need and the town

50:52still wants to see them delivered but

50:55not putting a huge amount of emphasis on

50:57them uh in the earlier years after

51:00adoption. Now one thing I want to say is

51:03that if you look at the immediate near

51:04and mid mid and long term

51:08the CTP is meant to be updated about

51:10every five years.

51:12So the CTP

51:15if these recommendations move forward as

51:18how they would be programmed in these

51:20time frames

51:22the way it works is near-term

51:25would become hopefully by the time we

51:27update this immediate term we're like

51:29okay yeah we got this we've delivered

51:31this or we're well on our way to

51:32delivering this. So the next time we

51:34update it near-term is what we would

51:35consider to to to take the first stab at

51:38that for immediate term right and so

51:40forth and so on. So that's how that's

51:42one way I think is good for you to look

51:45at that

51:47public transit projects BRT projects and

51:50the uh transit transfer facility

51:52programs to be implemented in the town

51:56were based on their inclusion in the

51:582055 MTP and the horizon years that were

52:01set in for them in in in that uh

52:05planning document. Um the Wake BRT

52:07western corridor again that's supposed

52:09to be operational by 2035.

52:12There's also Davis Drive BRT which is

52:15supposed to be in place by 2045.

52:18Airport boulevard BRT supposed to be in

52:20place by 2055.

52:22And the transfer the transit transfers

52:24facility is meant to is really right now

52:29programmed to be in place 2045 and

52:31onward in the Campo uh MTP.

52:35The Morsville smart shuttle node

52:37locations that we are looking to expand

52:39um are programmed based on node prior

52:42they will be programmed based on the

52:43node prioritization plan to be

52:44considered by town council this fall. Um

52:48four there's about four there's about

52:50four or five nodes that will be

52:51implemented in 2027 so in the immediate

52:53term and then additional nodes beyond

52:56that up to 10 by the end of 2029 in the

52:59also that would also fall in the

53:01immediate term. So that's where public

53:02transit projects would fall. And we'll

53:04go to the priority intersection uh

53:07assessment study. This is an additional

53:09task

53:11that

53:13we have scoped to follow up generally

53:16from the CTP. We already went through an

53:19exercise to prioritize various

53:22intersections throughout the town,

53:24right? And there were there were

53:25criteria that we used to do that.

53:27There's another study that we are

53:29looking to kick off in October that will

53:32go into more detail on evaluating

53:35operational safety and potentially other

53:37issues with identified intersections for

53:41up to four intersections.

53:44Um, and

53:46we'll we'll look at okay, what's the

53:48issue here? What are the solutions that

53:51we need to uh that we we need to bring

53:54into play to consider to to improve

53:56them?

53:57um based on measures of effectiveness.

54:00And really the the approach to it is

54:02going to be what can we squeeze out with

54:04what is already there first so that

54:07we're not so that there's not a huge

54:09cost impact. And if if we can't get to

54:11certain measures of effectiveness doing

54:13that, then we need to look at maybe some

54:16something that

54:18uh does cost money, maybe additional

54:20turn lanes, maybe re, you know, some

54:23type of reconfiguration of the lanage

54:25that's there and offering more storage

54:28uh for turn lanes or through lanes,

54:30whatever. It could run a number of

54:32different um ways. So, um, what we did,

54:37what we're bringing to you today is, um,

54:40the priority intersections that we're

54:42recommending to move forward. These were

54:45derived, as I mentioned, from the

54:46intersection prioritization through the

54:47CTP update process and from other

54:49planning efforts. The town council

54:51adopted the Morrisville and Motion

54:53safety action plan back in October of

54:55last year. We are also using that to

54:57inform this uh, where we have identified

54:59some safety issues. Um there is an

55:03emphasis on intersections again with

55:05significant safety or uncontrol

55:07uncontrolled congestion issues

55:10for which the town has a likelier

55:13technical capacity to address. There

55:15might be intersections out there that

55:16you're like man and it's it could be big

55:18intersections in town that are DOT

55:20intersections. You're like man I wish we

55:22could focus on that. Guess what? Those

55:24intersections are difficult. We don't op

55:27we don't own them. The bigger they are

55:29the harder they are to deal with. And if

55:31we want to do improvements to them,

55:32they're going to cost more and there's

55:34going to have to be a whole lot more

55:35coordination and buyin from NCBOT.

55:39There are intersections out there where

55:41the technical capacity needs are not as

55:43great as well. And so that really

55:45focused in that really kind of helped us

55:47focus on where can we really can we

55:49really make some improvements that we

55:52can actually feel comfortable

55:54implementing. So that study will occur

55:57in the October to February time frame.

56:00Um the intersections are Davis Drive and

56:02Morsal Carpenter Road and you'll see a

56:05string of intersections there on Church

56:06Street at Treybrook, Jeremiah and down

56:09in Glenn.

56:13Just to provide some additional backup

56:15for why the why behind their

56:17recommendation,

56:19uh Trey Brook had the highest congestion

56:22score for all of the intersections

56:23evaluated for the CTP update. It also

56:26had a high bike ped and benefit cost

56:28score from the prioritization that we

56:30did. Jeremiah Street was tied for sec

56:33the second highest congestion score for

56:35all intersections and it was tied for

56:38the highest bike pet score for all

56:40intersections. And then down in Glenn

56:42Church Street uh was tied for the second

56:46highest congestion score for all

56:47intersections and the high it had the

56:49highest benefit cost and bike ped scores

56:51for all for all intersections evaluated.

56:54And one of the reasons why is all of

56:56these intersections are almost

56:58completely uncontrolled. I mean, they're

57:01not completely under control because

57:02there there are some traffic control

57:04devices like stop signs at side streets

57:06and so forth, but they have a lot of

57:08activity, but they're generally they're

57:10unsalized, which means they're generally

57:14uncontrolled.

57:16Um, so

57:18just wanted to cover that. And then for

57:20Morseful Carpenter, this is the one

57:22where I would say yes, it's a bigger

57:24it's a bigger intersection. It might be

57:27more involved. What we need to do to it

57:29might cost a lot more money, but it is

57:31very very important for us to look at

57:34this closer

57:37um because it did receive the highest

57:39CTP update safety score for

57:41intersections. It was identified in the

57:43Morrisville emotion safety action plan

57:45as an intersection that we need to uh f

57:48focus on for further review and

57:50improvement.

57:52Um and it had a high activity center

57:54score because you know there's a lot of

57:56activity centers right around there as

57:58well. And so there that means there's a

57:59lot of pedestrians and so forth that are

58:01trying to navigate that intersection.

58:05All right. So just real quick going

58:06through some additional related tasks

58:08that we want to provide a briefing on.

58:10The town also recently kicked off the uh

58:13the development of roadway landscaping

58:15and hardscaping guidelines. This is

58:16really basically just okay, we want to

58:20put some guidelines together

58:23that lay out standards

58:26uh guidance and approach for developers

58:30or the town or whatever

58:33to install landscaping that meets

58:36certain goals

58:38um in our transportation rights board.

58:41So it's really to be used as develop to

58:43to be used as as part of our development

58:45requirements and guidance for

58:47landscaping and targeted areas. Veres as

58:50I mentioned earlier just that that area

58:52between uh roadway travel lanes and

58:55sidewalks town and special district

58:57gateways. So what we're talking about

58:58there is just gateways to the town in

59:00general but also the town center to

59:03future to that sort of thing. islands,

59:06roundabouts, and grade separated bridge

59:08areas where there's opportunities to

59:10really uh do something aesthetic. Uh it

59:14would provide the town with cohesive and

59:16coordinated direction for those for for

59:18betterments related to landscaping to be

59:20included in NCDOT roadway improvement

59:23project scopes of work and it would just

59:25provide direction to the town in general

59:27for uh any projects that we have where

59:30we want to do the same. It will, it is

59:33intended that these will be integrated

59:34into the roadway crosssections in the

59:36CTB update. So that we developers come

59:38in. You see the cross-section there.

59:40There's trees in the median and then

59:41there's trees on the side of the road.

59:43So that when developers come in and we

59:44say, "Okay, you got to here's the

59:46cross-section front for frontage

59:48improvements. Here's what you got to

59:49do." They have more guidance on the

59:51landscaping piece of what they need to

59:53do and and and what what they could put

59:55there that fits the guidelines. And

59:57these are being developed over uh the

1:00:00period. We kicked it off in July and we

1:00:02should be finishing this up in November.

1:00:04We did deploy a community survey to

1:00:06solicit input on the overall

1:00:08considerations. Um and we will of course

1:00:11become when we come back to you in

1:00:12November. We will share that with you. I

1:00:15also will let you know it. I I I will

1:00:18probably send out if you are not aware

1:00:19of the survey, I will probably send it

1:00:21out to the planning and zoning board

1:00:22members tomorrow so that you can take

1:00:24it. We'd like to get your input on it as

1:00:26well.

1:00:27Um, so just wanted to mention that. And

1:00:30then I mentioned the pedestrian crossing

1:00:31assessment. I'm not going to spend a lot

1:00:32of time on that. That again is to um

1:00:35evaluate

1:00:37whether we can

1:00:39install a signalized

1:00:41pedestrian crossing at or near the

1:00:43intersection of HSNC. That will tie into

1:00:46a multi-use path that is proposed as

1:00:48part of the aviation parkway widening

1:00:50project that is currently scheduled to

1:00:52be left for construction in 2029. but it

1:00:55would also tie into the Crabtree Creek

1:00:56Greenway.

1:00:58Um, one thing that's important to note

1:01:00is the Liberty the other the the the ex

1:01:02the the existing crosswalk that is a

1:01:05little bit farther south and west will

1:01:08be closed with the aviation parkway

1:01:10widening project. There is no other

1:01:13opportunity

1:01:15between International Drive and NC54 to

1:01:18cross aviation parkway. So, we feel this

1:01:20is very important for the town to be

1:01:23able to do this and to be able to

1:01:26facilitate special event traffic between

1:01:29HSNC and Cedar Fork District Park. U but

1:01:32just in general like people need to have

1:01:34a place to cross the street and they

1:01:36need to be safe doing it. And so uh we

1:01:39are working with to to to put that

1:01:42together and have uh really we're trying

1:01:45to make a case for DOT to incorporate it

1:01:47into the design for the aviation parkway

1:01:49widening project which will ultimately

1:01:51be a better to that project. All right

1:01:54so next steps where we go where are we

1:01:56going from here we will continue

1:01:59coordination with our major

1:02:00transportation planning and project

1:02:02programming stakeholders NC dot campo

1:02:04and town of Kerry to refine

1:02:05implementation details. I don't see

1:02:08there being a lot changing that we are

1:02:10re that we have from what we have

1:02:12recommended or what we put in front of

1:02:13you today, but we are still getting some

1:02:15comments from those parties. Uh and and

1:02:18so we want to make sure that we allow

1:02:21them to finish providing their input and

1:02:23we're able to consider all of that

1:02:24appropriately. We will work on this is

1:02:28this is a little dated from the time I

1:02:30included it in your packets, but we

1:02:32really want to work on developing the

1:02:33final document documentation for the

1:02:35plan beginning this month. Um, actually

1:02:38a lot of it's already done because we

1:02:40brought a lot of things to you in pieces

1:02:41and it's really just rolling it up to

1:02:43this final plan, but we will be working

1:02:46on that in September and in subsequent

1:02:48months. Um, stakeholder interviews. We

1:02:51also need to still have stakeholder

1:02:53interviews with the community. those

1:02:55stakeholders that have specific

1:02:56community interests like the Morrisville

1:02:58Chamber, Wake Tech, HSNC, Becks, that

1:03:01sort of thing. So, we will be doing

1:03:04those also in the September to October

1:03:06time frame. Um, we wanted we wanted to

1:03:09wait to go to them until we solidified

1:03:11more of like this is based on like the

1:03:13why and and all this other feedback that

1:03:16we got. This is what we want to do. So,

1:03:18it was more final that what we can put

1:03:20in front of them for them to react to.

1:03:22Then we'll be developing the draft plan

1:03:24document where we where I said we will

1:03:26be um developing the document but we

1:03:29will plan to bring that back to the

1:03:31planning and zoning board in the fall to

1:03:32winter time frame. I will just go ahead

1:03:34and say we will be back in front of you

1:03:37in November but what we will be back in

1:03:40front of and and put in front of you in

1:03:41November is not really that it's program

1:03:45and uh it's the policy and program

1:03:47measures piece that you see that is

1:03:50missing from the implementation plan. We

1:03:52also did a code assessment as part of

1:03:54the CTP and there's some recommendations

1:03:57that we have that came out of that for

1:04:00how you know what would do we do with

1:04:02our unified development ordinance if

1:04:04anything to strengthen how we implement

1:04:07our CTP.

1:04:08Um and then we also will share the

1:04:11results of our landscaping guidelines.

1:04:13So you you get a whole another meeting

1:04:15of more information that has been

1:04:18developed that ultimately will be worked

1:04:20into the CTP and then when we come back

1:04:22to you after that in the winter will be

1:04:25the final documentation for the plan.

1:04:30All right, now it's your turn. I know

1:04:32that was a lot.

1:04:34Um, some areas of potential discussion

1:04:37are provided here on the slide, but

1:04:39certainly want to get your reaction and

1:04:42feedback to what I was able to share

1:04:43with you today.

1:04:47>> Thank you.

1:04:50So, I guess comments you want to start

1:04:53with.

1:04:54>> Sure.

1:04:55>> Um, so thank you for the presentation.

1:04:57That was a lot of information.

1:04:59Um, I tried to take notes, so hopefully

1:05:01I can read them now. I did have a couple

1:05:04questions. So, back in the bike and

1:05:06pedestrian section, um, and maybe this

1:05:10is just like my lack of knowledge about

1:05:12how this works, but so what's the

1:05:14difference technically like in a

1:05:16sidewalk and the side, did you call it a

1:05:20side path? Like what is the

1:05:23use case difference?

1:05:26>> So, a sidewalk is meant to be just for

1:05:28pedestrians,

1:05:29>> right? A side path is meant to be

1:05:30multi-use between pedestrians and

1:05:32cyclists.

1:05:34>> It's wider

1:05:35>> wider 10 feet. So a sidewalk, what we're

1:05:38proposing in here is for for the those

1:05:40to be six feet, the side path would be

1:05:4210.

1:05:43>> Okay. And I guess I mean I've just

1:05:45probably never noticed the difference,

1:05:47but like around Morrisville, is it

1:05:50mostly sidewalks at this point and we're

1:05:52converting to side paths or is there

1:05:54just a mixture?

1:05:56>> It's a mix. I mean, and you and you can

1:05:58even along the same corridor, you'll see

1:06:00places where there's a five foot

1:06:02sidewalk and then it'll widen out.

1:06:04>> A lot of the side paths that we have

1:06:05now, I don't even know if you want to

1:06:07call them side paths, but they're eight

1:06:09feet. They're not quite 10 feet.

1:06:11>> We do have some that are 10 feet here

1:06:13and there as well. It's it's quite a

1:06:14hodgepodge.

1:06:15>> Yeah. It's just an interesting like

1:06:17because you were talking about um I

1:06:20guess eventually like the bike lanes on

1:06:22Mccrimin going away and becoming the bus

1:06:24lanes but then you have the side path

1:06:27there like my kids are at an age where

1:06:29they want to ride their bikes places and

1:06:31have some independence and they would be

1:06:34going down mccrimin and so just trying

1:06:36to figure out like we've always told

1:06:38them don't ride your bike on the

1:06:39sidewalk.

1:06:40>> Right.

1:06:41>> Right.

1:06:42But I guess I need like making sure that

1:06:45we understand the difference in a side

1:06:47when it is appropriate to ride on the

1:06:50side path and like what the difference

1:06:52is. Um, I don't know if that's just me

1:06:55or if that's more widespread, but it

1:06:57might be helpful to have some like

1:06:58educational efforts around um, if the

1:07:01especially the bike lanes are going away

1:07:04or not going to be present because

1:07:06otherwise I'm afraid you're gonna have

1:07:08people biking in the road where there's

1:07:10not a bike lane thinking they shouldn't

1:07:12be on the sidewalk. Again, I mean, I I

1:07:14don't know how widespread that is, but

1:07:16that's like what comes to my mind

1:07:20um, for that.

1:07:22>> Yeah. and signage. Another thing that to

1:07:25be used is signage to help with that as

1:07:28well.

1:07:29>> Yeah. I mean, people who are probably

1:07:30like like legit bikers know how to

1:07:33manage that [clears throat] kind of

1:07:34thing, but then there's your more casual

1:07:36bikers

1:07:37um that like signage and stuff would

1:07:39probably help. So, that that's helpful

1:07:41for me to understand.

1:07:44Um, and then when you talked about the

1:07:47bicycle and pedestrian

1:07:50connections, I think you were saying

1:07:52there would be one at Kits Creek over to

1:07:5554 and then there was another one

1:07:56mentioned. What does that mean? Is that

1:07:58a bridge over the Okay. Okay.

1:08:02>> Um, and what was the time frame on those

1:08:07projects? was that?

1:08:09>> So I have them in the near I have

1:08:11>> I have them in those in the near term

1:08:13which is within 10 years of

1:08:17>> Okay.

1:08:17>> uh CTP adoption.

1:08:19>> Yeah. I think I've heard a lot of people

1:08:22say just around the community that like

1:08:23that's one of the things we're really

1:08:25missing are some of those pedestrian

1:08:27connectors where like if you could get

1:08:29to the other side then like there are

1:08:31sidewalks or side paths or you know

1:08:33crosswalks or things. But I do think,

1:08:36you know, living down at that end of

1:08:38Morrisville, like there's really no way

1:08:40to get over there as a pedestrian.

1:08:43There's all kinds of places we want to

1:08:44go over there that you could walk to,

1:08:46but you can't get to. And so, you end up

1:08:48driving, you know, all the way around.

1:08:50So, I mean, I don't know what the I

1:08:53don't know how expensive that is, like

1:08:55how cost plays into that, but to me, I

1:08:58mean, I'm sure they are expensive. It

1:09:00seems like a small project and it seems

1:09:02like

1:09:03>> I mean, yeah, you That would be a big

1:09:05win if the price is actually lower. And

1:09:08maybe it's not. I

1:09:09>> mean, yeah, there's no possibility of

1:09:11doing this at grade. I mean, you got to

1:09:12spend $5 million on a bridge and you

1:09:14could spend

1:09:17$75,000 doing it at grade

1:09:20>> a pedestrian at crossing at grade.

1:09:23>> Why not?

1:09:24>> Yeah. North Carolina Railroad, that's a

1:09:26big no. [laughter]

1:09:29I mean that they they've been on a

1:09:31mission too over the past several years

1:09:33to just to close down at

1:09:35>> grade. But they took lanes from us and

1:09:36they didn't give them back. So they

1:09:38actually owe us lanes. But anyway,

1:09:39that's if you look at the actual tally

1:09:41of what their formula is. They took more

1:09:44lanes than we got back. But anyway,

1:09:45that's another story. It just seems

1:09:47crazy. I mean, there's no way you're

1:09:48going to do this for under $5 million

1:09:50per crossing.

1:09:51>> Yeah, there it would be expensive. I

1:09:53think even though even though the per

1:09:55because it's a bridge structure, right?

1:09:57That's that's always expensive.

1:09:59>> Yeah.

1:10:00>> Even I I don't know that I would think

1:10:01of I would think of the impact. It's

1:10:04there's when I look at transportation

1:10:06projects, I'm like impa impact versus

1:10:08cost.

1:10:09>> Yeah.

1:10:10>> I actually think that these are very

1:10:13high impact projects even though they

1:10:15might cost a lot.

1:10:16>> Yeah.

1:10:17>> There's no way anybody in Kits Creek can

1:10:21get over to Walmart.

1:10:22>> Exactly. and without going up to Hopson.

1:10:25>> Yeah.

1:10:25>> Or down to, you know, so there's just we

1:10:28have really significant connectivity

1:10:30challenges in the town and this is this

1:10:34in my opinion, even though it c it might

1:10:35cost a lot, it's a very high impact

1:10:37project.

1:10:38>> I guess that's what I'm trying to say is

1:10:39like to me this would be like a top

1:10:42priority. Again, I live at that end of

1:10:44town, but like like we'd love to be able

1:10:47to get to Fountain and that shopping

1:10:48center over there and it's like

1:10:49literally right through the woods, but

1:10:51it takes 20 minutes to get there. You

1:10:53know, if we had a bridge, we would just

1:10:55walk.

1:10:56>> Yeah.

1:10:56>> So, I think those kinds of things like

1:10:58maybe they are kind of expensive, but

1:11:00the impact would be you would open up

1:11:02this availability for several large

1:11:05neighborhoods right there um to be able

1:11:08to get places without having to drive at

1:11:10all. So if there's any opportunity for

1:11:13moving those in terms of

1:11:15>> Yeah, I will say to Chair Langston's

1:11:17point, I mean, we we can we can

1:11:18certainly ask

1:11:20>> why

1:11:20>> let's ask well at least ask, hey, can we

1:11:22do an

1:11:23>> people all throughout Europe walk across

1:11:26train tracks every day. They have

1:11:28actual, you know, it's like a miniature

1:11:30version of a car thing. But I mean,

1:11:33>> you know, I mean, people do dumb things,

1:11:35of course, but I mean that

1:11:39>> you could do this for like

1:11:41>> 10% or less of the cost of of a bridge.

1:11:45>> I mean, I see people just walking across

1:11:47the rail bridge,

1:11:47>> right? So, you could be doing that, but

1:11:49in a way that would at least limit it

1:11:50and I feel like would be

1:11:53>> safer. Yeah.

1:11:54>> So,

1:11:54>> any other comments? I guess I'm before

1:11:56we jump off of bikes.

1:11:58>> No, I want to stay on bikes for a

1:11:59second.

1:11:59>> That's Yeah. The So, has there been any

1:12:03consideration to

1:12:04>> I don't know if you've seen other towns

1:12:05or cities that have those concrete

1:12:07barriers for safety for cyclists.

1:12:10>> Has that ever been a consideration to

1:12:12have those maybe for

1:12:16>> I mean, yeah. Yeah. I mean, anything's

1:12:18on the table. I those actually are

1:12:24pretty good at

1:12:26because it's just another curb

1:12:28essentially that keeps cars in their

1:12:31travel lanes from being able to encroach

1:12:33over into bike lanes. I think what we

1:12:36were trying to do was being a be a

1:12:38little bit less

1:12:42ownorous in terms of cost and elements

1:12:46that would have to be put in to achieve

1:12:48the goal of separating

1:12:51uh travel lanes from bike lanes. But

1:12:55also keeping keeping in mind we have

1:12:57reduced the facilities on which bike

1:13:00lanes are

1:13:02uh recommended and have gone more toward

1:13:06a side path approach which already

1:13:08provides that same type of benefit. Um

1:13:12>> but I think a little bit of the issue

1:13:14with the side path is like road cyclists

1:13:16are traveling at 20 plus miles an hour.

1:13:19So you have kids on bikes, road cyclists

1:13:23sharing the same pedestrian pedestrians

1:13:25>> pedestrians, you know, sharing the same

1:13:27area. I think that increases the risk

1:13:30for a safety issue.

1:13:35>> Yeah. But I mean I I I think that way

1:13:40all the time, but the reality is on the

1:13:43ground the data do not show that.

1:13:47Um we

1:13:49You would think on our greenways with

1:13:52bicyclists and pedestrians, especially

1:13:54where we have a lot of greenways that

1:13:55come together and connect.

1:13:58Not really familiar with any serious

1:13:59injuries or fatalities

1:14:02um on side paths either. Where you get

1:14:05serious injuries and fatalities is in

1:14:07the roadway.

1:14:08>> I was going to say on the greenways like

1:14:10people are able to exist together

1:14:14somehow. Maybe they're not used by like

1:14:17road cyclists in the same way. So I

1:14:19don't know would that profile change

1:14:22that road cyclists are now switching

1:14:24from the road and there would

1:14:27>> it could. Yeah. And one of the things

1:14:29too with bike bicycle and pedestrian

1:14:31planning is we also really sort of

1:14:35prioritize utilitarian use over

1:14:37recreational use. When it comes to

1:14:39roadway traveling in the roadways when

1:14:41we talk about greenways it's different.

1:14:43It's a little different. still

1:14:44utilitarian, but in the road and with

1:14:46roadway travel, it's utilitarian over

1:14:48recreational. On the greenways, it's

1:14:51recreational over road over utilitarian.

1:14:55So, there's also that kind of thing

1:14:57going on. You know, if you are an avid

1:14:59cyclist that wants to go fast,

1:15:02>> you're staying the road anyway,

1:15:04>> but you but but you know, it's the same

1:15:06thing as a roadway. Yeah. Like if you

1:15:08have a Ferrari and you want to go 80

1:15:09miles per hour when everybody else is

1:15:11driving 30, I'm sorry, but people other

1:15:15people are using it for utilitarian

1:15:17purposes and you're trying to use it for

1:15:18recreational purposes and that's not the

1:15:20purpose of the roadway.

1:15:25>> Just

1:15:27at least in that.

1:15:29>> Yeah.

1:15:31>> Um no, I was I also found the pedestrian

1:15:34crossings pretty interesting. Although

1:15:36likewise, it's personally more available

1:15:39since I live in the neighborhoods. It'll

1:15:41be directly affected. But I'm just

1:15:43having any connectivity across the

1:15:45railroad tracks. Like the preparation

1:15:48I've done for joining the board like I

1:15:50keep coming back to the railroad tracks

1:15:51is like that's

1:15:53that just kills us no matter what we

1:15:55want to do. So anything that's realistic

1:15:58that would help in that regard I think

1:16:00is at least worth serious consideration.

1:16:04Um,

1:16:06yeah. Otherwise, still just trying to

1:16:09catch up with everything that's been

1:16:10discussed so far and get up to speed

1:16:12with everything. So, anything else,

1:16:15Trist?

1:16:17>> Yeah, I had a couple of other ones. Um,

1:16:20when you were talking about the priority

1:16:22intersections,

1:16:24um, so it was like the four three on

1:16:25Church Street.

1:16:27Um, so I guess I I'm interested in a

1:16:30little bit more information about those

1:16:32three on Church Street. So I drive down

1:16:36all of Church Street on a daily basis

1:16:38and I would not have picked any of those

1:16:40as needing specific consideration.

1:16:44Also understanding that the town center

1:16:46is going to change a lot of this. So I

1:16:47guess multi-part question, but like is

1:16:50this is it really just because of town

1:16:53center or is there really a need today?

1:16:56And then what do what does it mean? Like

1:16:59are we going to put stop lights here?

1:17:02It could um

1:17:05that's we don't know that's we don't

1:17:07know enough about them to say this is

1:17:08what we're going to do that's why we

1:17:10need to do the that's why we would do

1:17:11>> so that's what the assessment is of

1:17:13these specific intersections is going to

1:17:15do is come up with a recommendation

1:17:17>> right what I can tell you is

1:17:21just in terms of operations now

1:17:24>> um it's interesting that you've had your

1:17:26observations because I've also had mine

1:17:28which are different

1:17:30>> um which the am peak on Church Street at

1:17:34particularly at Treybrook is awful.

1:17:38Um mainly partially because of the

1:17:40school

1:17:42on on Treybrook and everybody pulling in

1:17:45and out of out there and then you add

1:17:46that with some pedestrian crossing sort

1:17:49of u traffic and sort of it's it's it's

1:17:52very

1:17:53>> it's a very limited time window though

1:17:55because like I drive through in the

1:17:57morning and I don't see any like I drop

1:17:59my kids off at school and drive back

1:18:00through there in the morning and have

1:18:01never

1:18:02>> I've seen it during midday operate the

1:18:05same way.

1:18:06Um,

1:18:07also our prioritization that we did with

1:18:10for the intersections, the data for V

1:18:13over C volume over capacity for an

1:18:15intersection, that was the highest

1:18:17congestion score for for all

1:18:19intersections in the town. Um, and

1:18:23that's that's not uncommon for uh

1:18:27intersections that are not controlled by

1:18:29signals

1:18:30>> because a lot of side street traffic

1:18:32sits and is delayed for so long because

1:18:34there are no gaps.

1:18:36>> And so you could and that's how V over

1:18:40that's how a lot of intersection

1:18:41operations are measured is the delay

1:18:43that one experiences by sitting there

1:18:45before they're able to actually make the

1:18:47movement they want to make. Um, the

1:18:50other thing is, you know, Town Center is

1:18:53is a piece of it. I actually have a note

1:18:55at the bottom of the slide.

1:18:56>> Um, keep in mind Airport Boulevard

1:18:58Extension will tee into Church Street

1:19:02north of this,

1:19:03>> right?

1:19:04>> That's a four-lane section that is

1:19:06emptying into a two-lane section.

1:19:09>> And most of that traffic probably isn't

1:19:11going to go south. They might. Um, I'd

1:19:14have to take a closer look at, you know,

1:19:16what the traffic forecast is for that.

1:19:18So, you have that happening. You have

1:19:20TOD to the north.

1:19:23>> So, ultimately, Church Street will be

1:19:24the primary connector between TOD

1:19:26development and Town Center.

1:19:29>> Um, and there's a good good chunks along

1:19:32Church Street that are just completely

1:19:34undeveloped today as well. So, there's

1:19:36there's a lot more development capacity.

1:19:38>> Yeah.

1:19:39>> That has the potential to add a lot more

1:19:41trips. So that's where a lot of the

1:19:43concern is coming from.

1:19:45Um also, yeah, you might point to other

1:19:48intersections that are bigger and busier

1:19:52>> um within the town. A lot of those are

1:19:54actually already addressed to some

1:19:56degree by a project that's committed.

1:20:00Right.

1:20:00>> Right.

1:20:01um McCreman at uh Davis for instance um

1:20:08MCR aviation at NC54 there's going to be

1:20:11some improvements there with the

1:20:12aviation uh parkway widening project. So

1:20:16really if you take a look and you see

1:20:18what's available for us to take a closer

1:20:20look at it's you'd be surprised at how

1:20:24many of those big intersections are

1:20:25already addressed somehow or we've

1:20:27already studied them to some extent.

1:20:29>> Yeah. Yeah. I guess it's just

1:20:31interesting like I'd heard it said

1:20:34before at various meetings that like

1:20:36there's no intention to ever widen

1:20:38Church Street. So like especially down

1:20:40at our end of Church Street like it's

1:20:41always just going to be two lanes or the

1:20:43three lanes undivided. Um I mean if

1:20:47we're talking about this volume of

1:20:48traffic and all of these other things

1:20:50feeding into it, I guess it just makes

1:20:52me kind of reconsider

1:20:54like is that really still a viable plan

1:20:57then? were saying we need uh

1:20:58intersection improvements and there's

1:21:00all this traffic coming but there's no

1:21:03plan.

1:21:05>> Yeah, I was a little confused when I saw

1:21:07that was staying with that threelane

1:21:09like even far into the future but

1:21:12>> I just I wonder if that could be

1:21:14considered. I mean I know it would not

1:21:15be near but at some point if all of this

1:21:18is happening and all you know we've got

1:21:20stop lights every you know 10 feet along

1:21:23here like wouldn't we consider

1:21:28So we do have um

1:21:32some indication from prior studies that

1:21:35have happened that church street the

1:21:37capacity of the roadway itself

1:21:40can actually take can actually handle a

1:21:42lot

1:21:44>> but

1:21:47we're we we don't really separate

1:21:49turning movements from through movements

1:21:52very well. You see Trey Brook here. I

1:21:54mean there's some of that.

1:21:56um along the corridor where we have more

1:21:59opportunity to do so. Um and that's what

1:22:03that center, you know, threelane

1:22:05undivided is really that center turn

1:22:07lane is really meant to do. If we

1:22:08provide that space, let's first see what

1:22:11we can improve along the corridor with

1:22:14the capac the actual roadway capacity

1:22:16that's there. And I don't think we've

1:22:18really ever done anything to do that to

1:22:21to be like, "Okay,

1:22:24let's let's squeeze out the most

1:22:27capacity that we possibly can with what

1:22:29we've already got

1:22:31>> just because there's no

1:22:33there's not much there's not really any

1:22:35signalization. I mean, there there will

1:22:37be there will be a Town Hall Drive or

1:22:40sorry, not Town Hall Drive, but uh

1:22:41Airport Boulevard when it tease into it.

1:22:43But

1:22:46that's kind of mainly the thinking

1:22:48behind Church Street.

1:22:50>> Okay.

1:22:51>> I don't know if this is going to go

1:22:52anywhere else, but you do have Jeremiah

1:22:53and down Glenn reverse. The pictures are

1:22:56the wrong

1:22:57>> are they? Okay.

1:22:58>> All right. May not matter.

1:22:59>> I will

1:23:00>> I mean, if this is going to go sit in

1:23:01the file somewhere, I just figure

1:23:03>> Well, yeah. I'm gonna have to Thank you.

1:23:05I'm gonna have to switch. I got this

1:23:06from our consultant the the pictures

1:23:08from So, but thank you. I'm not trying

1:23:11to blame them. It's my job to

1:23:13It's my job to

1:23:15>> review their work.

1:23:17>> Yeah.

1:23:18>> I had one other question.

1:23:21>> Um I was curious a little bit more about

1:23:23the being able to cross um

1:23:27av uh aviation the HSNC

1:23:32crossover.

1:23:33>> Um and I guess just understanding more

1:23:36like when I think about that area like

1:23:39why would you want to cross? there's

1:23:41nothing there to cross to like what I

1:23:44guess what is that trying to connect to.

1:23:47>> So

1:23:47>> you only touched on this but I know

1:23:49exactly why.

1:23:50>> Okay.

1:23:50>> Well, so Fork District Park is

1:23:54>> the big Sorry,

1:23:57>> I don't have any water. I can I can do

1:23:59this. I can do this. It's fine.

1:24:02Cedar Fork District Park is the big one

1:24:05where we have a lot of events and it's

1:24:07not just town events. There's also just

1:24:09a lot of other events there. And then

1:24:10HSN has big events as well,

1:24:12>> right?

1:24:13>> That is over capacity for the parking

1:24:16that they have. And so there's just a

1:24:19lot of there's a really strong

1:24:20relationship between HSN and Cedar Fork

1:24:22District Park. Also, keep in mind

1:24:25there's a lot of aviation parkway

1:24:27like some of a lot of that is not in

1:24:29that exact location is not going to be

1:24:32developed

1:24:33>> for types of uses where people want to

1:24:35cross and there's that would command a

1:24:38lot of pedestrian activity.

1:24:40However, as I mentioned earlier, if you

1:24:43go farther east or sorry, west and

1:24:46south,

1:24:48um, where there is an existing

1:24:50pedestrian crossing, where there is more

1:24:53potential pedestrian activity is going

1:24:55to close.

1:24:56>> So, right at the entrance to the park is

1:24:59where he's talking about at the other

1:25:01side. So, like literally just off this

1:25:03corner of this map, there's an existing

1:25:05place that will

1:25:06>> and I guess like that because that makes

1:25:08sense to me. there's a neighborhood and

1:25:10they would want to get over to the park,

1:25:12right? Like that's where the crosswalk

1:25:13is. So why would that one close?

1:25:16>> The put immediate down the road

1:25:18>> part of the Yeah, they and there's

1:25:20there's as you get closer to NC54, there

1:25:23has to be more access control for for

1:25:25that aviation parkway widening project

1:25:27to fulfill its purpose and need. So

1:25:31that's part of it as well. Yeah, that

1:25:33just seems like an odd given the people

1:25:35who want to cross over, it seems like a

1:25:37little bit of an odd configuration, but

1:25:41um it sounds like there's other things

1:25:42in play there. So,

1:25:45>> there are there are a lot of Yeah.

1:25:48>> Yeah.

1:25:48>> The the the main part of the main thing

1:25:50it's the events and the relationship

1:25:52between the two. Thank you. Oh, this is

1:25:54[laughter] if you give me just a few

1:25:55seconds,

1:25:56>> please.

1:26:03feel better.

1:26:04>> Yes. Thank you. Um,

1:26:07yeah, if you if you look at the

1:26:08relationship between HSNC and Cedar Form

1:26:11District Park, that's that's a big

1:26:13reason. Yes.

1:26:14>> Okay.

1:26:15>> But also for serving the purpose of we

1:26:18need to really um continue to advocate

1:26:22and try to get a pedestrian crossing

1:26:24somewhere between International Drive

1:26:26and NC54 on aviation. Yeah,

1:26:29>> because people are going to just like

1:26:30the railroad. They're probably going to

1:26:32cross anyway if there's a need to cross.

1:26:35And so at least you can give them

1:26:36hopefully something that's appealing and

1:26:39somewhat close to where they are.

1:26:41Hopefully they will gravitate towards

1:26:42that. I guess you know,

1:26:44>> it's just like that's a hype down here

1:26:45in that neighborhood.

1:26:46>> I mean, it is. It is. and tie and tying

1:26:48it into the greenway as well is

1:26:50important because that greenway can be

1:26:53used for a lot of different people

1:26:55coming from a number of different

1:26:56directions and it's it's actually

1:26:59unimpeded right when you get to the

1:27:02railroad and all of that. So, well, I

1:27:06think at that point it becomes H is it

1:27:07Hatcher Creek Greenway at that point? I

1:27:09don't know where the split between

1:27:10Crabtree and Hatcher Creek is exactly

1:27:13but generally.

1:27:16Okay. All right. Thank you.

1:27:20>> I guess the only with the So I know

1:27:22there's the study that we did on

1:27:24Morrisville Parkway. There's a larger

1:27:27plan, but like I mean that's not shown

1:27:30on this. Is that why that's not shown on

1:27:32this? Because there's this other plan

1:27:34that we did. I mean that's an

1:27:35intersection that doesn't doesn't work.

1:27:38And I still of the opinion that with a

1:27:41few gallons of paint and some signage,

1:27:43you could fix it simply by denying

1:27:46people the ability to go straight in the

1:27:48right lane.

1:27:49>> Yeah. Okay. Yeah.

1:27:51>> Because you could have 50 cars trying to

1:27:53go straight.

1:27:54>> Yes.

1:27:55>> And instead of having 51 cars trying to

1:27:57go straight, one car that wants to go

1:27:58straight is in the right lane that

1:27:59denies 50 more cars from turning right.

1:28:02And like it that's a very simple fix

1:28:06that will cost almost nothing. Um and I

1:28:09just it's I don't know.

1:28:11>> And you're talking about Morrisville

1:28:12Parkway at Davis,

1:28:14>> correct?

1:28:14>> Right. Yeah. So the town does have we we

1:28:17through the Morseville Parkway access

1:28:19management study, right? That was done.

1:28:20>> But does it really covering that part of

1:28:22it though?

1:28:23>> Yeah, there's some some of it. So, a

1:28:26right turn lane is part of the

1:28:28Morrisville access, the Morsville

1:28:29Parkway access management improvements

1:28:32that the town has done 65% design for

1:28:35and we're pursuing a lap plan.

1:28:36>> How much storage there? How many?

1:28:38>> I'd have to go back and look.

1:28:39>> I mean,

1:28:41>> probably probably.

1:28:44Do you do you remember is it 150 ft?

1:28:47>> Okay, so 10 cars. Not even that. Well,

1:28:50not no I mean you gota assume a if you

1:28:53want to be conservative one car per 25

1:28:56feet

1:28:57>> I think that

1:28:58>> that's not

1:28:58>> we would have more effect not me not

1:29:00being a transportation planner but just

1:29:03driving all the time. You would have

1:29:04more effect if you just said no right

1:29:07turns in this in the right hand lane

1:29:09than by adding what you're talking about

1:29:11doing and you save the town $500,000.

1:29:18>> I mean There was a study

1:29:21>> with traffic engineers involved.

1:29:24>> Um,

1:29:24>> well, I mean, there was a study, but

1:29:26traffic engineers want to do certain

1:29:27things just like the DOT. They love to

1:29:30propose crazy things that will make

1:29:31things difficult for people so that the

1:29:33plan they really want to get through or

1:29:35the plan that people can afford can be

1:29:37done. I mean, that's happened multiple

1:29:39times. I I mean, I don't know. I'm just

1:29:41saying I'm driving on the road and it

1:29:43used to work and it doesn't anymore and

1:29:45it used to work better. I you know, the

1:29:47same thing has happened. It was like a

1:29:49light switch on Morrisville Carpenter

1:29:52when we widened the road. An

1:29:54intersection that went from mostly

1:29:55working went to not working because

1:29:59people will sit in the righth hand lane

1:30:00and go straight across when if they just

1:30:03stayed in the lefth hand lane and go

1:30:04across and then got over it would work

1:30:05just fine. So I I mean that that was

1:30:08like they study it all they want to. I

1:30:10mean, I just drive on the road every day

1:30:12that they don't drive on and it's

1:30:13literally like a switch happened when

1:30:15that lane suddenly became a three lane.

1:30:18Um,

1:30:19>> so, you know, it's not a huge deal, but

1:30:22you know, when you sit there through

1:30:23multiple light cycles and there's just

1:30:24literally one person in the front that

1:30:26just is all they're going is to

1:30:27Walgreens,

1:30:29you know, it just like I said, I mean,

1:30:33we just have a few in and we've gone

1:30:35over this before and I've even tried to

1:30:37look at a few things, but like, you

1:30:38know, with down here at the corner with

1:30:40the stop with the um track, uh, you

1:30:43know, still a consistent problem with

1:30:44people who were just in the middle of

1:30:46the intersection. um and and or in the

1:30:50right-hand lane who will wait until the

1:30:52last second, stop in the travel lane and

1:30:54then try to get over,

1:30:56>> you know, and we don't there's a little

1:30:57bit of signage that could be more

1:30:59signage. I mean, I've seen other

1:31:00intersections throughout the area where

1:31:01there's signage

1:31:03>> before the light that says like, you

1:31:04know, this is no or we could put

1:31:06truncated domes or we could do plastic

1:31:10flexible stick. I I don't know. But

1:31:12there's just things that we could do and

1:31:15I and I struggled. I went through the

1:31:16MUTCD and I couldn't find anything that

1:31:19showed like a don't block the box

1:31:21painting that matches what's there. Um

1:31:24there's a lot of don't block the box

1:31:25recommended designs that are much

1:31:28tighter, smaller crosshatch. What we

1:31:31have there is painted. It looks like a

1:31:33railroading. And I I just think a lot of

1:31:35people don't realize that they're not

1:31:37supposed to be in that spot. I I Anyway,

1:31:40I guess we're just never going to do

1:31:41anything. I I don't know. I mean,

1:31:42>> well, there there are plans. So the

1:31:45other issue with that intersection is

1:31:48threequarters of it is not in the town.

1:31:51>> So I mean I guess we don't nothing's

1:31:53ever going to happen. Just just like

1:31:54asking him if we can do a grade cross. I

1:31:56mean what's the worst I can say is no.

1:32:00>> I mean I mean why can't we try? I mean,

1:32:02literally, people have been killed in

1:32:03the intersection before.

1:32:06And the exact behaviors that cause that

1:32:08are happening every single day with no

1:32:13attempt when no one's tried anything at

1:32:14all to to change those behaviors. We

1:32:17don't try to do it from a traffic

1:32:19standpoint. We don't try to do it from

1:32:21science standpoint or any other any

1:32:23other standpoint. We've not tried

1:32:24anything. So, we continue to do nothing

1:32:27and wonder why it's a problem. um you

1:32:30know because it not only just the safety

1:32:32impact it affects the flow of the road

1:32:34because people are parked in weird

1:32:35places and stopped and like cars can't

1:32:36turn from the other direction and so you

1:32:38you miss the light cycle you know that

1:32:41just you know and then that backs up

1:32:44into you know and causes a massive

1:32:47backup down 54 towards Park West because

1:32:50the cars can't get almost everybody

1:32:52wants to turn right left there but they

1:32:54can't because they you know can't get to

1:32:57the light and I don't know there's just

1:32:58a lot

1:33:00Yeah, I do not disagree with you. Um the

1:33:05the town town staff has talked about

1:33:07that intersection ad nauseium and we

1:33:10collaborated with the engineering

1:33:12department quite a bit to kind of put

1:33:13these recommendations together for

1:33:15intersections. We talked a lot about

1:33:18Mors Parkway and Davis. Um, and

1:33:22if you're if we're not going to focus on

1:33:24that as part of this study, which we

1:33:26have to we have to have a really good

1:33:28reason why not because it's very

1:33:30important to the town. Um, but you know,

1:33:33the reasons being um we it already has

1:33:36been studied to s to a certain degree.

1:33:39There's already improvements that have

1:33:40been recommended for it that the town

1:33:42has already started to advance and and

1:33:45do more advanced design for. But that's

1:33:47a 15 year.

1:33:50>> But also keep in mind again it's not

1:33:54it's mo most of it's not in the town.

1:33:57>> What if we just went out there in one

1:33:59middle of the night painted some

1:34:00diplines on the road? What

1:34:01>> we could I fully support the mayor in

1:34:03jail.

1:34:05[laughter]

1:34:06>> Mayor Daly got a lot of things done as

1:34:09the mayor of Chicago using that method.

1:34:12I mean, at the very least, I feel like I

1:34:14I would, you know, if we could at least

1:34:16have a legal

1:34:17legal paint scheme there because, like

1:34:19say, I literally can't find anything in

1:34:21MBTC that shows what we've got there.

1:34:24So, like we're worried about at least

1:34:26doing the right thing. I don't think

1:34:27we've done the right thing.

1:34:30I don't know. But maybe a big old sign

1:34:33says, "Don't block the box." And like

1:34:34just like what they have in New York

1:34:35City with the little small crosshatch

1:34:37that's much tighter than what we have

1:34:39there. I just think like if you look at

1:34:41what we have there, it looks like the

1:34:42crossbucks that are at a railroad

1:34:44crossing. I think people just they see

1:34:46the initial one that it does have the RR

1:34:48beside it, but then the next one to

1:34:50people who are just not thinking about

1:34:51it, it looks like the same thing and it

1:34:54doesn't occur to them. Oh, I'm not

1:34:55supposed to be in this anyway. I've

1:34:57labored this the last two meetings, but

1:34:58it's just, you know,

1:34:59>> well, I've thought about that a lot,

1:35:01too. It my take is just too much white

1:35:03paint on the confus.

1:35:05>> I think doing that in yellow would help.

1:35:07I put that in yellow. I mean, that's in

1:35:09the M2CV. Yellow crosshatch, small

1:35:12crosshatch is is is something that's

1:35:13allowed. It's in there.

1:35:15>> I mean,

1:35:16>> and I years ago, I actually I think it

1:35:19was the NC DOT that I contacted with an

1:35:21idea. I was suggesting for all the right

1:35:24on red that people do from southbound 54

1:35:28turning right, they just, you know, they

1:35:30roll up to where they can see and they

1:35:32go it. I think this the no turn on red

1:35:34signs are just in strange places that

1:35:37people just don't see them the way they

1:35:39tend to drive and do just came back and

1:35:42said, "Oh, we've studied this

1:35:43intersection. It's fine."

1:35:46So that there seems to be some headwinds

1:35:50against trying to do things for whatever

1:35:52reason at that intersection, but

1:35:54everybody agrees it needs something, but

1:35:56then but we do nothing of it. [snorts]

1:35:59>> Yeah. Like I say, if police are

1:36:00interested in writing tickets, you know,

1:36:02I know they love writing tickets on

1:36:03Morsville Parkway on Morrisville Car

1:36:06Road and this is part of Morel Carvin

1:36:07Road, stopping people from doing things

1:36:10that are, you know, risking their lives.

1:36:13>> That has confused me sometimes because

1:36:14I'll see people sitting out in the

1:36:16middle of the road and the cops go by

1:36:18and just like go right by and it's like,

1:36:20I mean, that's a safety. It's not just a

1:36:22matter of like I want somebody to get a

1:36:23ticket. Like there's like lots of safety

1:36:26issues happening there. Why would you

1:36:29not like give somebody a warning?

1:36:33I don't know. I do find that odd.

1:36:38>> Sorry.

1:36:42>> Anybody else have any other comments?

1:36:46>> It's a good presentation overall. Very

1:36:48action-packed, but

1:36:51>> No, I I appreciate it. I do want to

1:36:54mention, I didn't really hit on this

1:36:58because as this was being developed, we

1:37:00were getting more information from

1:37:03um Fujifilm

1:37:06and Research Triangle Foundation on our

1:37:09connectivity plan. You don't you don't

1:37:10see any roadways up here, right?

1:37:13>> Well, our efforts to try to work

1:37:17something in there

1:37:20have were not supported. Okay.

1:37:23um

1:37:25at least not right now with lines on a

1:37:27map that show the level of connectivity

1:37:31that we were showing earlier. Um so I do

1:37:34want to me I do want to make sure that's

1:37:36understood. Town Hall Drive extension

1:37:38would stop uh well it would really just

1:37:41stop at the town limit boundary there

1:37:43where you see there and so it would not

1:37:46extend up to provide any type of

1:37:48connection to Providence Place.

1:37:51uh there would not be a another

1:37:53connecting roadway from the Providence

1:37:56Place area over to Davis Drive at Little

1:37:58Drive. Uh one of the things that we're

1:38:01still trying to work out, you saw this

1:38:02with my dotted line here is we still

1:38:06very much want to get a greenway

1:38:09connection there. And actually what you

1:38:11see on the map here is in RTF's plans

1:38:13for RTP. Um, but that is still

1:38:16Fujifilm's property and we need to work

1:38:19that's outside of our jurisdiction and

1:38:22we we need to work with them on

1:38:24something that is comfortable to them to

1:38:27be able to to do that.

1:38:30And

1:38:30>> I know it's come up in like Providence

1:38:33Place HOA meetings in the past. You all

1:38:35may have heard this too. Um, but there's

1:38:38been discussion about like, well, what

1:38:39if we could connect? I mean, you know,

1:38:41this is obviously not like going through

1:38:42the town, but just like should we make a

1:38:44big thing about this? And I I think it

1:38:46would be great, but most of the

1:38:48neighborhood is very opposed to it.

1:38:50>> So, it's just an interesting um you

1:38:53know, people want to be connected, but

1:38:55then don't like the idea of the

1:38:56connection being their backyard, right?

1:38:59They don't. So, you know, I there's

1:39:01different perspectives on it. I think it

1:39:02would be amazing. We could get a lot of

1:39:04places a lot faster. Um, but there I

1:39:07think there is very mixed feelings about

1:39:10it from people that live there. So,

1:39:13>> okay. Well, thank you for that tidbit.

1:39:16Yeah, that that's I mean that's

1:39:18interesting.

1:39:20>> Well, it's like the a the airport

1:39:22boulevard being cut through. Like I see

1:39:24the same people on Facebook who

1:39:26complained about not being able to get

1:39:28anywhere and get across now complaining

1:39:30that they're building a road and it's

1:39:32like

1:39:33well did you want a road or not? like

1:39:36you have to cut down the trees to build

1:39:37a road. So,

1:39:39>> it's hard to please everyone all the

1:39:40time, I guess, is

1:39:43>> Well, yeah. And part of the reason why

1:39:45we have the traffic problems that we do

1:39:47in a lot of cases is because of our lack

1:39:49of connectivity,

1:39:50>> right?

1:39:50>> When you funnel all of your trips to

1:39:53fewer intersections,

1:39:55>> right?

1:39:55>> That's what happens. The most efficient

1:39:58transportation system is a perfect grid.

1:40:03>> And we don't have that in Morsville.

1:40:08Thank you.

1:40:09>> Thank you.

1:40:12>> I guess we can move on to number eight.

1:40:24So we

1:40:28our current vice chair is no longer

1:40:30going to serve on the board. Um so

1:40:34already given us balance. Is there

1:40:36anyone who would like to be the vice

1:40:38chair? I know I I want to recommend

1:40:42Kristen. Um anyone else want to

1:40:46potentially

1:40:47do that? Um support

1:40:54any other discussion or anything?

1:40:56Kristen, are you willing? Okay. So, I

1:40:59guess we can go ahead and vote over here

1:41:01and then we'll collect those and

1:41:02tabulate. uh on our very fancy balance

1:41:06which I'm like

1:41:08>> does it count since we only have four?

1:41:10>> Yes, we only need three to conduct that

1:41:13kind of business.

1:41:39It is unanimous. We have four votes for

1:41:42member Richardson to be recommended to

1:41:45town council

1:41:47for vice chair.

1:41:49>> Thank you.

1:41:55Now time for the wonderful staff

1:41:58newsletter.

1:42:00Staff comments and the planning.

1:42:04You may notice there is a

1:42:06>> change the name.

1:42:07>> Yeah, there's a different look and feel.

1:42:09Credit goes to Secretary Dawson. Um she

1:42:13updated the format and some of the

1:42:15information that we've been provided in

1:42:17the path past. the in the past. So yes,

1:42:20um different updated newsletter this

1:42:22time around. Um just to provide a broad

1:42:27overview of some of the information

1:42:29that's in the newsletter. Um in terms of

1:42:33new development applications, um we did

1:42:35have two new applications come in. Both

1:42:38of them um are special use permits um

1:42:43for new development. One is the expanded

1:42:46Wake County Convenience Center at 414

1:42:48Aviation Parkway and the other um a wood

1:42:53processing facility that is looking at

1:42:56122 International Drive.

1:43:00We also um continue to see a lot of

1:43:02progress um in regard to development.

1:43:05McCreman um Pathway Triangle has

1:43:08continued to see progress there um with

1:43:11their development um as well as the

1:43:13Spark development with a new 900,000

1:43:16square foot building um on that campus

1:43:18approved. So um encourage all of you to

1:43:21continue to drive up and down Mcrimman

1:43:23periodically. Every time I do, I I see

1:43:26something different. Just a lot going on

1:43:28there.

1:43:29Um, another exciting thing to share, um,

1:43:32is that work has begun on the athletic

1:43:35pro athletic field improvements at Cedar

1:43:38Fork Elementary School. So, again, those

1:43:40are to support Morsville High School,

1:43:42which is slated to open um, next year.

1:43:46Um, so those improvements just started a

1:43:49couple weeks ago, should be wrapped up

1:43:51next center, next summer um, in time for

1:43:54the opening of the new high school.

1:43:59Um the other thing I want to highlight

1:44:02um is the icon initiative. Um there has

1:44:05been a lot going on with butterflies

1:44:08over the last few weeks. I will say

1:44:10those butterflies have flown all over

1:44:12the place at this point. Um but the

1:44:15molds were delivered. Um the artists

1:44:18were selected and the locations were

1:44:20selected. Um so the molds were actually

1:44:23delivered to the five selected artists.

1:44:25Um we have been slowly getting um the

1:44:29decorated final product back. I cannot

1:44:32wait to share them with the community.

1:44:34Um just a lot of talented artists um and

1:44:37a lot of great designs. Um we are going

1:44:40to be unveiling those at international

1:44:42festival. Um so encourage you encourage

1:44:45you to come and take a look at those. Um

1:44:48all five will be on display at the

1:44:50festival before they make their way um

1:44:53out to their permanent homes.

1:44:57Um rental assistance also um is uh that

1:45:01pilot is continuing. Um also want to

1:45:04highlight um the Evergreen project that

1:45:07came before you not that long ago for a

1:45:10reasonzoning. Um, you may recall that

1:45:12having that entitlement in place was a

1:45:15requirement for their LITC application.

1:45:18So excited to share that the LITC LITC

1:45:21application was approved. So that

1:45:23development is going forward. Again,

1:45:26that's going to be a fully 100%

1:45:28affordable housing project for seniors.

1:45:31Um, so that's great for the town.

1:45:34Um, CTP implementation, you got a great

1:45:37update on that tonight, so I'm not going

1:45:38to touch on that. Um did also want to

1:45:42share just two other things with you. Um

1:45:45one a lot of great work was done by our

1:45:47communications team and other town staff

1:45:50and excited to share that u Morrisville

1:45:54was named um a 2026 all-American city.

1:45:57Um one of five one of I'm sorry 10

1:46:00communities in the nation that received

1:46:02that honor. Um so really proud of that.

1:46:06Um and then um our vacant planning

1:46:08manager position um was filled. So um

1:46:11Courtney Jensen has joined our

1:46:13department and is overseeing the per

1:46:16permits plat and code enforcement

1:46:18division. Um so excited to have her on

1:46:20board as well.

1:46:23Thank you.

1:46:24>> All right. Thank you. Welcome to

1:46:26Courtney.

1:46:28Um any board comments?

1:46:34Um, just thank you for the presentation

1:46:36and all the information. It was very

1:46:38informative.

1:46:46>> Yeah. Thank you. That's good. So, with

1:46:49that being said, I will entertain a

1:46:50motion to adjurnn.

1:46:52>> Motion to adjurnn.

1:46:53>> Do I have a second?

1:46:56>> Second. All right. All in favor?

1:47:00We are adjourned. Thank you.