2026-07-28 - Town Council Regular Session

15:03Good evening. So, I like it. I see kind

15:05of watermelons and tie-dye and I see

15:07green. We got two great groups here

15:10tonight. Um, I'd like to call this July

15:1228th, 2026 meeting of the Morrisville

15:14Town Council to order. We ask those in

15:16attendance tonight to please silence

15:18your cell phones. I just silence mine.

15:20Thank you to those here in person with

15:21us tonight, those watching via liveream,

15:24those who are watching recording of this

15:25meeting sometime in the future. Our town

15:27mission statement, which helps guide our

15:29decisions tonight and into the future,

15:31is connecting our diverse community to

15:33an enhanced quality of life through

15:35innovative programs and services. And

15:37it's always right there on the wall

15:38right behind our speakers, too. Sergeant

15:40Strickland is our sergeant-at-arms for

15:42this evening's meeting. We thank you for

15:44your attendance. This evening, I'll be

15:46leading our invocation.

15:48As we come together this evening, it is

15:50truly nice to be back in this room

15:53continuing the important work we do for

15:54our residents and businesses after a

15:56short summer break. Since we last

15:58gathered, Morrisville is once again

16:00recognized as an all-America city, and

16:03we are grateful to welcome and thank

16:05many of those here tonight who make who

16:07helped make that honor a reality. We

16:10also celebrated 250 years as a nation

16:13with one of our great community building

16:15events right here in town. And part of

16:17that ongoing community building,

16:18including celebrating Parks and

16:20Recreation Month with wonderful

16:22activities put on by our staff each

16:24week, culminating in our town's first

16:26Pilates in the park this morning, which

16:28I can personally attest is a pretty

16:30tough workout, even at the beginner

16:32setting. Thank you, Katie. I remain

16:35deeply grateful to our staff and my

16:37colleagues on the council for helping

16:38make Morrisville a place our residents

16:40are proud to call home. And I'm even

16:42more thankful that Morrisville is a

16:43place where our residents contribute

16:46each day to making it one of the most

16:48welcoming and inclusive towns in the

16:50entire country. As we begin tonight's

16:53work, may we do so with gratitude,

16:55purpose, and a shared commitment to

16:57serving our community with integrity and

16:59compassion.

17:01All those of you who are able, please

17:02stand as we recite the pledge of

17:04allegiance.

17:11To the flag of the United States of

17:14America and to the

17:16stands one nation under God, indivisible

17:21with liberty and justice for all.

17:30>> Before we adopt tonight's agenda, town

17:32council policy is to review and ensure

17:33there are no conflicts of interest or

17:35appearance of conflict of interest with

17:36any items on the agenda. If you noticed

17:39anything on the agenda that could be a

17:40conflict or looked like one, please

17:41share that now.

17:44Seeing none, is there a motion and

17:46second to adopt this evening's regular

17:47agenda?

17:50>> I'll make a motion to adopt the

17:52[clears throat] agenda.

17:54>> Second.

17:54>> I have a motion from council member

17:56Johnson, a second from mayor body to

17:58adopt this evening's regular agenda. All

18:00those in favor, please say I.

18:02>> I. Any opposed?

18:04>> Hearing none, that carries unanimously.

18:0670.

18:07There are seven items on this evening's

18:09consent agenda. They are approval of the

18:11June town council meeting minutes,

18:13resolution approving Wake County tax

18:15reports, resolution and CPOA conveying

18:18property to NC DOT, town center funding

18:22reconciliation, resolution appointing

18:24advisory committee members, resolution

18:27authorizing land donation for Church

18:29Street public right-of-way improvements

18:30and resolution authorizing NCGHSP

18:34grant application. Would any member of

18:36the council wish to pull any item for

18:38discussion?

18:41>> Seeing none, is there a motion and

18:42second to adopt the consent agenda?

18:47>> I'll make that motion.

18:50>> Second.

18:50>> I have a motion from Mayor Tamati, a

18:52second from Council Member Scargin

18:54Johnson. All those in favor, please say

18:55I. I. Any opposed? Hearing none, that

18:59also carries unanimously. 70.

19:02We have one proclamation listed on our

19:03agenda this evening and that is a

19:05proclamation recognizing Samorisville

19:08which will be Monday, August 10th

19:10between 5 and 7 p.m. at Morrisville

19:12Community Park and I believe Council

19:13Member Scarish Johnson will be reading

19:15it at that time. Looking forward to

19:16that. Next on the agenda is Morrisville

19:19Speaks public comment. Um, and I expect

19:22people in tie-dye will be speaking

19:25tonight. That's my impression. For those

19:27who have signed up to speak, please

19:28approach the microphone and begin by

19:30stating your name and residential

19:31address and direct your comments to the

19:33council. Each speaker is allotted three

19:35minutes to ensure everyone has a fair

19:37opportunity to share their thoughts. A

19:39timer will start after you state your

19:41name and address and a buzzer will sound

19:42when your time is up. We appreciate your

19:44cooperation and helping us manage time

19:46fairly for all participants. Town clerk

19:48Bley, would you like to call the first

19:50couple? The

19:51>> first is Janice Crawford.

19:54All

20:04right. Thank you. Good evening, mayor,

20:06council members, and town staff. We are

20:07Western Wake Farmers Market. Our address

20:09is 101 Town Hall Drive. I'm Janice

20:11Crawford, the president of Western Wake

20:13Farmers Market and the Market Board of

20:15Directors. Many of you have visited our

20:17market, and we appreciate your support.

20:19When most people think of a farmers

20:21market, they picture fresh produce,

20:23baked goods, and coffee. While we're

20:25proud of all those things, Western Wake

20:27Farmers Market has grown into something

20:29far more than a place to buy fresh

20:30produce. That's what we'd like to share

20:32with you this evening. Every Saturday

20:34morning, the Indian Creek Trail Head

20:36becomes a place where local farmers and

20:37artisans earn a living. Families access

20:40fresh food and young people develop

20:42leadership skills, and neighbors build

20:44community. None of that happens alone.

20:46It happens because of strong

20:48partnerships with the town of

20:49Morrisville, Wake County, our vendors,

20:51volunteers, and community partners. Town

20:54staff don't simply support the market,

20:56they actively help it succeed. I'd like

20:59to recognize the efforts of town manager

21:00Brandon Zadima, the public works

21:03department, the parks and recck

21:04department, and in particular Leslie

21:06Haney, who faithfully attends our board

21:09meetings, shares ideas, solves problems,

21:11and has become an invaluable member of

21:13our market community. to all of our town

21:15partners. Thank you. We'd like you to

21:17hear directly from two people whose

21:18lives have been impacted by the market.

21:23>> Hi folks, my name is Clay Smith. I am an

21:25old organic vegetable farmer. I've been

21:28at the market uh Western Wake Market

21:31since 2009 for 17 years. And um we sell

21:36a wide variety of vegetables uh from

21:39April until December. In recent years,

21:42our sales at the Western Wake Market

21:44have been about $50,000 a year. And

21:47while some of that goes for the cost of

21:49production, that money is a really,

21:52really important part of our family

21:54income. So, on behalf of uh the other

21:57vendors and myself, I just want to say

22:00thank you to the town of Barsville for

22:02all that you do to support this market.

22:05Thanks.

22:08>> Hi, council members. I'm Vincy and when

22:11I first started volunteering at the

22:13Western Wake Farmers Market, I thought

22:15I'd be helping out for a few hours each

22:17Saturday. Since then, I become a farmers

22:20market ambassador specializing in

22:22nutrition. At the market, I found a

22:25community. I've learned leadership,

22:27teamwork, communication, and

22:29responsibility. I've met amazing people,

22:31and I've gained confidence that I'll

22:33carry with me long after high school.

22:35The market has become one of my favorite

22:37places to be, and I'm thankful to

22:39everyone who has made it possible.

22:42>> Thank you, Vince. Thank you, Clay. These

22:45two stories are just a couple of the

22:47thousands of people's lives who are

22:48impacted by our market. Just one example

22:51of our impact. Over the past 19 months,

22:54we've donated almost 6,000 pounds of

22:56fresh food to our local food pantry.

22:57You'll find additional impacts on

22:59metrics of our market in this handout

23:01that you have. We've created a place

23:03where farmers and artisans thrive,

23:05families connect, young people grow.

23:07That's the impact of our partnership and

23:09we thank you.

23:14>> Thank you.

23:17>> Next is Siron Sundar.

23:29Good evening members, council members,

23:32Mr. Mayor, I'm Sonar. I'm a resident of

23:35Morrisville, but I'm I'm here to talk

23:37about my proposal for the establishment

23:40of an annual fentinel awareness

23:42initiative. Now, as you know, fentinel

23:46and counterfeed pills is a growing

23:49public health concern in North Carolina

23:51and all across the United States. And

23:54especially it's a pro problem among

23:56young people who don't exactly

23:59understand the risks of obtaining

24:03illicit substances. Now, Wake Public

24:06Health Department, Wake County Public

24:08Health Department does a pretty good job

24:10of providing countywide education, but I

24:14believe that there is a need for a more

24:17local com community level engagement

24:20that is more visible, more accessible,

24:23and more recurring for our residents. So

24:27according to the propo proposal, we can

24:30have an annual community education event

24:34where the town simply acts as the host

24:37and um partners with local EMS, police,

24:42hospitals, schools, etc. to conduct it.

24:47And the town would merely act as a

24:49convenor. It would provide a venue,

24:51logistics, um, coordinate with potential

24:55partners and connect residents to this

24:58cause. Now, I understand that this

25:02fentan the problem of fentinel is not

25:04really prevalent in Marsville, but I

25:07believe that being the all-America's

25:11city, right? We got the all-American

25:13city award in 2026 and I believe that we

25:16can be an example that this issue needs

25:19not only countywide or statewide um

25:22engagement but also at the local town

25:25level. So the goal is very simple. It's

25:27to increase awareness, improve pro

25:30prevention and also um connect our

25:34residents with information resources in

25:37a trusted setting. So I have uh already

25:42provided the town council a policy memo

25:46and um I really wish that uh they would

25:50consider it in an appropriate meeting or

25:52a round table roundt that you probably

25:55have coming up and I would also be happy

25:58to provide any cooperation or more

26:01details if you wish to move further with

26:04this proposal. Thank you very much.

26:08>> Thank you.

26:10And we have one online public comment.

26:12>> Okay. Is it appropriate to read that one

26:14or Okay.

26:17>> Christina Hy and Hunter.

26:21>> Dear council members, my son and I would

26:24like to attend the council meeting but

26:25may not be able to make it. We are both

26:27very concerned about the situation

26:29regarding the lack of a pedestrian safe

26:31crossing at the corners of McCrimman

26:33Parkway and Davis Drive, especially on

26:35the north side of Mccrim Parkway

26:37crossing Davis. Students of WEIBB who

26:40will be attending the new campus at the

26:41Morrisville High School location who are

26:43close enough to ride a bike to school

26:45have no way to safely make it to this

26:47location. It should be an easy ride on

26:49sidewalks from town hall all the way to

26:51this campus, but it is not because of a

26:54lack of pedestrian markings and

26:55crosswalk signals. We have a prime

26:57opportunity to remedy this now before

26:59full classes officially start for all

27:01the high school residents of Morrisville

27:03when MHS opens fully to everyone next

27:06year. We can make this community

27:08walkable for all citizens if we are

27:10cognizant of where community members

27:12need to go and the routes there.

27:17>> Thank you very much.

27:20No other signups or online. Is there

27:22anyone here in the audience who would be

27:24interested in speaking to this body for

27:25up to three minutes? Even if you haven't

27:27signed up, we'd welcome that.

27:30Please state your name and your

27:32residential address for the record

27:35and the timer will begin.

27:38Uh Steve Ralph, 128 Gadia Drive. Um

27:42mayor and council, thank you for your

27:44service to our great town. I just wanted

27:46to come for just a minute or two and

27:48just thank the council and the town of

27:50Morsville for uh congratulate you for uh

27:53being an all-America city. I've lived in

27:55North Carolina for over 22 years, won

27:58four election, and served on the

28:00council. And I I can't tell you the

28:04energy that I felt in that room when

28:05they announced that our town was an

28:07all-America city. Um words cannot

28:10express how proud I am of not only the

28:13council and the staff. And I really want

28:14to thank Eron Hudson and all the team

28:17for what they did, but the reality is

28:19that during such a divided time in our

28:21nation, this whole idea of civic trust

28:23was so important. And we heard from so

28:25many great towns and so many great

28:27cities. And you know I often have said

28:29that our our our founding motto of a

28:32nation is out of many is one.

28:35And I'm really convinced that there's no

28:37town in America that represents that

28:39more than our town of Morsboro. We come

28:40from different backgrounds. We come from

28:42different places. Almost every nation in

28:44the world is represented here. We're

28:46playing cricket at Church Street Park.

28:48We're doing we're seeing signs

28:49translated in Hindi and we're doing that

28:51in other other languages. And what's

28:54amazing is that, you know, it's what we

28:57need in America to show that diversity

28:59is our strength. That's that's the

29:01secret sauce of our country. And we have

29:03to get back to reminding our citizens

29:04that even though we live in Morrisville

29:06with a brand living connect and living

29:08well and happy parks and recmont month,

29:10they've do a great job. It's also the

29:12connection that we have with residents

29:13with citizens of our nation that if we

29:15connect with each other, we can live

29:16well. I want to just close out with and

29:19I've done this before, but today I just

29:21had to get the words off my chest

29:22because of the pride I feel as a

29:24resident of Morrisville. Hamilton's, you

29:26know, shot that immigrants get the job

29:28done and I'm not throwing away my shot.

29:31And there those words really resonated

29:33in Morrisville because this town always

29:34takes the shot and where we come from

29:37the 1800s to now is truly an

29:39unbelievable American story. And it's

29:41proof that no matter where we come from,

29:43if we innovate, if we come together, if

29:46we have a sense of pride in our

29:47community, we can do anything. We are e-

29:50pubis una in action. So I want to thank

29:52you all for giving me a chance to be a

29:54part of it. It was one of the greatest

29:55highlights of my life to be a part of

29:57some of my former colleagues, but to be

29:59there and to see these great towns and

30:01these great cities and to see our

30:03remarkable staff because nothing gets

30:05done in Morrisville with our remarkable

30:07staff and the dedication I see every day

30:09when I'm running in Church Street Park

30:11and I see our public works people mowing

30:15the lawns and keeping the greens

30:16perfectly and taking such pride in their

30:18work. It means so much to me as a

30:21resident of Morrisville. I'm almost done

30:23with my time, but I just came to thank

30:25you. I had to just get those words off

30:27my chest from down here. Thank you. Um,

30:30along with Morris Mo, and I look forward

30:32to uh the recognition ceremony. Thank

30:34you for all that you do and for your

30:35service.

30:37>> Thank you. Was there any else here in

30:39the room that would like to address this

30:40body?

30:45>> Okay. Um, as a reminder, we encourage

30:47the submission of written comments, as

30:49you heard one of them write out, as they

30:51offer a valuable way for community

30:52members to share their feedback. To

30:54submit written comments, please email

30:56public input at morrisvillec.gov.

31:01We are now at item 10, admin reports.

31:03Admin reports are for information only,

31:05unless a council member has a specific

31:07question. I'd like to recognize Mayor

31:09Patra body, please, and then put your

31:12blue thing up if there's anyone else

31:13who'd like to pull any of them. Thank

31:15you, mayor. I'd like to uh remove the or

31:18I'd like to ask a question about the um

31:20council expenditures report.

31:25>> Would you like to take it from right

31:26there? Okay, that's um Town Clerk Bling

31:29will be addressing any questions about

31:30this.

31:32>> I'm sorry.

31:33>> Town Clerk Bling will address any

31:34questions about this item.

31:35>> Okay, great. Um is this report available

31:38on the website? uh is currently

31:43>> it's currently available on the agendas

31:45page, but we can look into how we keep

31:47those public moving forward. I think

31:49it's really important that these reports

31:51be public in the interest of of

31:52transparency. Um I so I certainly can't

31:57tell you what to do, but if the rest of

31:59the council agrees with me, I think that

32:01it would be a good idea to post this in

32:03somewhere that people could know to go

32:05and look for it.

32:07>> I think that's something we can

32:08definitely do.

32:10Yeah, sounds reasonable.

32:11>> Thank you.

32:13>> Any questions about that report or any

32:15of those?

32:17>> Okay, thank you very much. Appreciate

32:19that. It's a lot of work to gather all

32:21that. Uh we are now at presentations. We

32:24have three presentations this evening.

32:26We now invite Aaron Hudson,

32:27communications and outreach director to

32:29the podium.

32:42Good evening, mayor, members of the

32:43council. Thank you for uh sharing your

32:46time this evening. Uh have a good bit of

32:48exciting information to get through. So

32:51I will ask that you hold any questions

32:54to the end as those may be answered

32:56throughout the presentation.

32:59So you've heard us talk about this a

33:01little bit uh for a while now. Um what

33:03exactly is the Allameric City Award?

33:06To learn about the All-America City

33:08Award, we really have to start first

33:10with the National Civic League. Uh for

33:12the last 125 years, the focus of the

33:14National Civic League has been to build

33:17healthy democracy and inclusive civic

33:19engagement through a variety of programs

33:21that they offer. You'll see those listed

33:23there in the green boxes on the screen.

33:25for a quick history lesson. Following a

33:28gathering of civic leaders in 1894, a

33:31group of a hundred leaders, including

33:32some familiar names like Theodore

33:35Roosevelt, Louis Brandeise, and

33:37Frederick Law Olmstead met and shared a

33:40desire to address quote and quote

33:42incompetence, inefficiency, patronage,

33:45and corruption in local governments.

33:47They felt that local civic leaders

33:49needed inspiration and new models for

33:51governing and managing the nation's

33:53cities. and that's what the National

33:55Civic League would offer. It's led major

33:58reforms in how local communities were

34:00governed, including professionalism of

34:02city services, creation of the city

34:04manager system, nonpartisan makeup of

34:07local elected bodies, electoral reform,

34:10and inclusive civic engagement. A couple

34:12notable milestones that the league has

34:14participated in or started. In 1898, the

34:18first municipal plan to give more power

34:21and autonomy to local officials, a city

34:24council with nonpartisan elections, and

34:26a hands-on mayor were developed. In

34:291910, employing a professional manager

34:32for city departments was developed by

34:34Richard Childs and was implemented in

34:36Sumpter, South Carolina. In 1930, one in

34:40every five cities with populations over

34:4210,000 adopted the model city charter

34:45plan. And in 1949, the All-America City

34:49Contest was born.

34:51So, the All-America City Award offers a

34:54unique competitive theme every year and

34:56is open to all municipalities nationwide

34:58to apply. Once those applications are

35:01received, a jury reviews those and

35:03provides feedback to the municipality.

35:06Of all applications, only 20 are

35:09selected and invited to compete in the

35:11final competition and there 10 winning

35:14communities are named. Um,

35:16unfortunately, the total number of

35:18municipalities who apply are not shared

35:20publicly. Uh, so we don't know how many

35:23we would be competing against, but when

35:25you're there, you know, the competition

35:27is stiff. Um, the award highlights the

35:30remarkable potential that is within

35:32communities to address the critical

35:34issues that will really drive meaningful

35:37change when residents, businesses,

35:40nonprofit, and government leaders have

35:42the opportunity to work together.

35:45So, following are a few highlights of

35:47our application and will really provide

35:49a true sense of the background and

35:51effort that are part of this entire

35:53process that we've engaged in.

35:56Before you, you see a timeline of our

35:58involvement for the All-America City

36:00Award program. And I hope it really

36:03demonstrates to you that it's not

36:05something that's decided on or entered

36:06into without deliberative thought. This

36:09was a multimonth work commitment for

36:11staff over roughly seven months.

36:16Getting into a little bit of our back

36:17our application background. Uh the

36:20application is comprised of four

36:22sections. The first section you see here

36:25is community information, statistics,

36:27and mapping. Applicants are requested to

36:30use census data unless other verified

36:32information or another verified source

36:34is known and available. And this section

36:37provides a demographic snapshot and is

36:39really the first image of the community

36:41that those reviewing jurors of all

36:43applications see. So this is the first

36:46chance that they get to really know each

36:48of those applying communities.

36:52The next two sections of the application

36:54focus on the prior 10 years of what's

36:57happened within that community. On the

36:59left side is the community story. So

37:02these would be challenges that shaped

37:04the community's identity. Things like

37:06our first language access plan in 2024,

37:09any barriers that you may have overcome,

37:12progress that's benefited residents like

37:14the advancement of the town center

37:16development project, key moments that

37:19informed community action and alignment

37:21with vision and community members like

37:24our website redesign in 2025.

37:27On the right hand side, another portion

37:30the community civic capital. What's

37:32really shared between residents

37:34leadership and community organizations

37:37shared vision values like our community,

37:39excuse me, our connect Morrisville

37:41strategic plan and sustainability

37:43efforts. A culture of engagement and

37:46engaged residents like our annual budget

37:48outreach. Inclusive community leadership

37:51like our multicultural community

37:53engagement. embracing diversity, equity,

37:56collaboration, and authentic

37:58communication.

37:59If you recall, the foundation of the

38:01National Civic League, many of the terms

38:03are repeated throughout the All-America

38:05City award process.

38:09The final application section is here

38:11and is focused on the past five years

38:13and local impact. These are defined

38:17processes or systems that really have

38:19transformed the community. you have to

38:22name three and they have to have a

38:24compelling communitywide vision,

38:26something that perhaps impact made a

38:28significant local impact

38:31um or affected broad populations or

38:35broad areas of your community. So what

38:38we identified were advancements in

38:41technology and digital platforms, civic

38:43leadership and development programs,

38:45specifically Morrisville 101 and team

38:47Morrisville 101, and collaborative e

38:50efforts engaging residents in public

38:52safety, health, and well-being. I won't

38:54read through all of these points, um,

38:57but the last two slides in this slide

39:00took up nearly 11 pages of our

39:02application. Um, so a couple of things

39:05to point out in our advancements in

39:08technology and digital platforms. An AI

39:11enhanced chatbot and short form video

39:13response that is now even since that

39:16time integrated fully in the search of

39:19our website. So people have even more

39:22robust opportunities to gain and receive

39:24information

39:26um within civic leadership development

39:28programs. Um, one of the things we

39:32really were able to illustrate in our

39:34presentation was the ability for

39:37individuals to complete these programs,

39:40go on to serve in advisory committees,

39:42work in public service,

39:44perhaps become staff, and even run for

39:47elected office within our collaborative

39:50process efforts for engaging in uh

39:53public public safety, health, and

39:55well-being.

39:57That doesn't end with just police and

39:59fire. There are multiple efforts going

40:02across many many departments in our

40:05organization. Um noting specifically

40:08that our parks and rec program uh moved

40:11senior programming from the Cedar Fort

40:13Community Center to its first standalone

40:15space about five years ago and they're

40:18now pursuing an expansion.

40:21um just the wide variety of programs

40:23that have stemmed even just from these

40:26uh three particular topic areas really

40:29was was meaningful for us to be able to

40:31work through.

40:34So following our application submitted

40:36in February, we were notified at the end

40:38of March that we were one of 20 finalist

40:41communities and that we would need to be

40:43begin preparing for the final

40:45competition.

40:48So after that notice, we had about two

40:50and a half months to prepare. And that

40:54preparation really meant turning our

40:56application into a creative presentation

40:59that would convey Morrisville story that

41:01would adhere to judging criteria

41:04all in 10 minutes or less. Um, we

41:08developed what we referred to as welcome

41:10to Morrisville, where input becomes

41:12impact as our theme. and the flight took

41:16off, so to speak.

41:20So, here you see uh a little bit of what

41:22we went through over about two and a

41:24half months. Staff, senior leadership,

41:27elected officials, and community members

41:29collaborated and worked together on our

41:32presentation theme. The background

41:34setting is an airport terminal featuring

41:37travelers with different backgrounds,

41:39different perspectives, different

41:41experiences.

41:42All of our delegation members

41:44represented themselves with some

41:46volunteering in various airport roles so

41:49that they could gain new insight, learn

41:51from our travelers, share about

41:52Morrisville, all via two-way engagement.

41:56Both the signage and interactions in the

41:58terminal were designed to reflect our

42:00application detail and feature theme

42:02cohesion. We have a couple of our props

42:05here on either side of the stage this

42:07evening. So, you can see that we uh

42:10tapped into our staff and community

42:12member prior theater experience for

42:15script building and staging. Uh we had

42:17multiple rehearsals here in Morrisville.

42:20Um we crammed as many people on uh the

42:25very back end of that Southwest flight

42:27as they would let us. um and took every

42:30advantage of a free moment for script

42:32read through and rehearsal uh time that

42:36we could find once we were in Denver.

42:40So after several weeks and five evenings

42:42of rehearsal in Morrisville, our

42:45delegation was ready for competition and

42:47headed to Denver.

42:49Just know that the All-America City

42:51competition is not your average

42:53conference. I've listed many of the

42:56benefits of participation in competition

42:59weekend here, but I do want to call out

43:01a few that I felt were particularly

43:03meaningful.

43:04All participating communities receive

43:07advanced formal rehearsal opportunity

43:08with constructive feedback from the

43:10All-America City staff. We get to engage

43:14with other participating communities and

43:16learn what's really unique about them

43:18during the civic action fair. We also

43:20get to showcase projects from our

43:23application in a small group setting

43:25during the festival of ideas and

43:28exchange information with other peer

43:30communities in a way that you just don't

43:31get that opportunity in other locations.

43:34So, there's going to be a photo of that

43:35on the next slide. All of these

43:38opportunities combined really allow

43:40participants to build true connections,

43:42learn from others, and bring back ideas

43:44to their home communities.

43:48So once we landed in Denver, we felt

43:51right at home. Uh you see the

43:52multilingual welcome sign, also very

43:55similar to the one we had here in in one

43:57of our props. On the top right, prior to

44:00our formal rehearsal, we caught up with

44:03Rebecca Trout, All-America City Program

44:05Coordinator for the National Civic

44:06League, and did a quick selfie. And the

44:09two photos there across the bottom, that

44:11is the Festival of Ideas. So sharing

44:14what we're doing with other communities.

44:16um innovation manager uh Billy Whitehead

44:20was there with myself and the smart city

44:23and uh website were very hot topics. We

44:26had a a crowd around us from the the

44:28second we sat down. Uh but again, we

44:31also get to learn from others. There on

44:33the bottom right you see town manager

44:34Zuda speaking with and engaging with uh

44:38members from Stow, Ohio who are also

44:40engaged in a very similar project to the

44:42Morrisville Town Center.

44:47there at the top on the top left that is

44:50a photo of our final presentation in

44:53action. Um at the end of the

44:56presentation as I mentioned you have to

44:57do it all in 10 minutes. Following that

45:0010 minutes you get 10 minutes of

45:02questions from the jury. So on the top

45:05right you see town manager Zuda

45:07responding to one of our jury questions.

45:09On the bottom left, it was the the sigh

45:12of relief, the uh just nailed our

45:15presentation. And then on the bottom

45:17right, you see a picture of us walking

45:19into the Colorado Ballroom where we

45:21spent a lot of time that weekend. Um,

45:24and we were about to learn whether it

45:26was us or one of our our hundreds of

45:28other new friends being named one of uh

45:31the top 10 all-America cities. And guess

45:34what? We won.

45:37So, what comes next?

45:42Not only is it fantastic to win and be

45:45named one of the top 10 all-America

45:47cities, there's also great community

45:49benefit with this award. Prior winners

45:52have indicated ease in attracting and

45:54retaining businesses that generate jobs

45:56and a stronger tax base. They've also

45:59been able to attract and retain

46:00residents who are seeking healthier

46:02communities.

46:04Prior winners have also indicated an

46:06increase in tourism and grants. So,

46:07there's economic development benefit.

46:10This award enhances community pride and

46:12enhances teamwork. Some prior winners

46:15have indicated learning more about the

46:16work taking place in their communities

46:18through this process. As previously

46:20stated, prior participants have learned

46:22new ideas and they've been able to bring

46:24those home. So, you've really got

46:25enhanced civic pride.

46:28This award is also well known and well

46:30respected. This year is the 77th program

46:33year for the All-America City Award. It

46:36puts every recognized community on a

46:40national stage and makes them part of a

46:42very elite network of winners. And once

46:45you win, you maintain that title in

46:47perpetuity. And so, in case anyone does

46:50not know or doesn't remember, we are now

46:52a two-time winner. So, we were named in

46:55All-America City in 2021 and now again

46:58in 2026.

47:02This also does come with not only uh a

47:06commitment of our time and effort, but

47:07it also comes with a cost commitment.

47:10Morrisville is fortunate to have the

47:12ability to compete and participate in

47:14this process. Uh in transparency, we

47:17wanted to be able to provide the

47:19breakdown of costs that we incurred for

47:21program participation in both FY26

47:24and proposed cost for branding and

47:26rollout in FY27.

47:28In both we took advantage of

47:30opportunities that were provided by

47:32AllAmerica City for any complimentary or

47:34no cost offerings.

47:36So for FY26 costs that were incurred

47:39cover all 21 of our delegates. That's

47:42four elected officials, nine staff and

47:45eight community members. I do think it's

47:48important to note that five of our eight

47:50community members are advisory

47:51committees advisory committee members.

47:54Those are folks who are already

47:55committed to and working or excuse me

47:58and involved with the town. Um the

48:01remaining three were a faith-based

48:03representative, a prior council member

48:05and a prior staff member who was also

48:07our language access plan coordinator.

48:10These are also residents and their

48:11neighbors. They're very familiar with

48:13what is going on in Morrisville and very

48:15able and capable of helping share that

48:18story forward.

48:20All delegates were selected and invited

48:22to participate in support of the

48:24programs and initiatives that were

48:27identified and aligned in our

48:28application details.

48:31Some of the uh complimentary or no cost

48:33offerings that we took advantage of. Uh

48:36Southwest Airlines is a primary sponsor

48:38of All America City and they provided

48:40four roundtrip vouchers for airfare

48:42which we took advantage of were able to

48:44take advantage of. Um the All-American

48:46City program also offered one

48:48complimentary registration for each of

48:50the 20 finalist communities uh for an

48:53individual to participate in the cyber

48:55sim program course which Billy Whitehead

48:57was able to do and already has brought

48:59back some great ideas and information to

49:02the information technology department

49:05for our future and upcoming cost. As I

49:07mentioned, this really relates to

49:09recognition, branding, and future

49:12rollout to share with everyone what this

49:15award means and how it will impact our

49:17community. We want to be able to

49:19celebrate this with the town. So, it

49:22does require uh updating of some signage

49:25and other elements around the town.

49:28Um, we will be awarding our delegates a

49:30small token of appreciation. Um, all

49:33staff, council, delegates, attorneys

49:36will be invited to uh self- select a

49:39size and order a t-shirt. We're not

49:41going to do a mass quantity order, so

49:43we're going to eliminate, you know, any

49:44of that leftover uh quantity that there

49:46would be. We're doing a similar order

49:49with a lapel pin. Um,

49:53and uh, for our community celebration,

49:56we really wanted to be sort of

49:57thoughtful and intentional. Instead of

49:59trying to plan something separate and

50:03arbitrary and coordinate dates, we are

50:07collaborating with S'moresville. Um,

50:09Smoresville, anyone who knows me knows

50:11that's my favorite event that we do. Um,

50:14and we are going to be um offering a

50:18special branded item and engagement

50:20opportunities while they're at

50:22Smoresville. Uh, we also have

50:24confirmation from Rebecca Trout with the

50:26National Civic League that she will be

50:28on site and visiting with us for

50:30S'moresville where she will represent

50:33our uh, plaque and share a little bit

50:36about our application about what made us

50:39unique and why we were selected as one

50:41of the top 10 all-America cities. So

50:43really great opportunity for us to share

50:46with the town, share with the community

50:48and celebrate together.

50:52Um so I've covered this pretty

50:53thoroughly, but just a reminder of our

50:55timeline from this evening and moving

50:57forward. Um so presenting to you all

51:00tonight, we're going to recognize our

51:02delegates next. Um community recognition

51:05and celebration on August 10th and then

51:07from that point forward really updating

51:09our branding and celebrating across the

51:11community.

51:13So I think everyone knows and has has

51:17probably discussed this adnauseium uh

51:19but this effort would not have been

51:20possible without the cont contributions

51:23of our Morrisville delegation members

51:25and without the support of our town

51:27council members. Um so we do have

51:29something for for everyone. Um as your

51:32name is called please walk up the center

51:35aisle. uh you'll be presented with a

51:38certificate and uh just a small uh

51:41token. Then stand on the platform here

51:43in front of the dice. Once all names are

51:46called, we're going to have staff

51:48capture a quick photo and then we'll uh

51:51complete the remainder of the

51:52presentation.

51:58All right. First, I have Joshy Airajan.

52:11Um, can I get an assistant? Yes, that'd

52:13be great. Thank you.

52:19>> Thank you,

52:21Mayor TJ Collie.

52:28Yeah. And then just stand on the stage.

52:31Thank you,

52:32Brian Cook,

52:40Chief Tom Douly,

52:45Council Member Satic Garamela,

52:53Communications Manager Laura Golf.

52:59I might be next on the list, but clearly

53:01I can't announce from there. Um, Council

53:04Member Liz Johnson,

53:09Council Member Harrison Kesling,

53:15Parks, Recreation, and Cultural

53:17Resources Director Cindy King,

53:24Assistant Town Manager, John Lety,

53:30Chris Wyn, Council

53:36member Ashe Patel,

53:42Vernon Patel,

53:46Steve Ralph,

53:51Council Member Anne Rabati,

53:56Police Chief Justin Roser, Council

54:02member Sprogg and Johnson,

54:08>> the handsomest of all of us, Jim

54:10Simmons,

54:14innovation manager, Billy Whitneck,

54:20>> town manager, Brandon Zuda,

54:27All right. And then I'll finish that.

54:30>> And yes, we're probably gonna have to

54:32warrant two lines.

54:38>> This is your official delegation plus

54:41town council.

54:46[applause]

54:53>> Let's work two hands. And Katie's gonna

54:55grab photos.

55:18Oh yes, Laura, will you grab the other?

55:21Sorry.

55:25I am.

55:28>> You can stand up and stand right next to

55:29Katie for a better picture.

55:31>> You don't have to stay back there. Come

55:32on up.

55:38>> You tell us. All right.

55:42>> Two.

55:46>> You guys are good.

55:47>> Thank you.

55:51They're

56:18cute.

56:22All right. And at this time, um, I would

56:25love to hear any comments from council

56:27or any, uh, excuse me, answer any

56:29questions you all may have.

56:35>> I just want to say it was great to have

56:36everyone back. I didn't know if we'd all

56:39be all together.

56:40>> We have three that weren't able to be

56:41with us, but

56:42>> Okay, you did them out. Large majority

56:44of of us. Yeah,

56:45>> that was a great group and we had a lot

56:47of fun in Denver. Um, and it was really

56:49worth it in a lot of different ways. I'd

56:51like to recognize Council Member Scar

56:53Johnson.

56:55>> Well, first of all, I'd like to thank

56:56you, Erin Hudson. You are tremendous

57:00force to be reckoned with. We were all

57:02afraid of you and uh we listened to

57:05everything you said and uh I think that

57:09we all came together for the right

57:11reasons. We all committed to doing our

57:15best work. Everyone showed up, everyone

57:20did, you know, what we could. And we not

57:23only worked together, but we also showed

57:27the other cities how connected we were

57:31as a group and we connected with other

57:33cities. So there was um an event on

57:36Friday of the competition where each

57:40city showcased,

57:42you know, something about their town.

57:44So, it was a whole room full of people

57:48and and stories and visual imagery of

57:52these accomplishments

57:54and we just synced with everybody and it

57:58was just a tremendous experience. So,

58:01I'm glad that we engaged and

58:04participated and bragged about the great

58:06things of Morrisville, but we also have

58:08to remember that we take back um lessons

58:11from the other cities and also um think

58:14about the next chapter of Morrisville.

58:16This is um a milestone, but there's more

58:20and we need to keep listening to each

58:22other in order to make Morrisville even

58:24greater. So, thank you again and thank

58:25you everyone for participating that

58:28supported us and those that weren't able

58:29to attend, thank you for supporting the

58:31town.

58:35>> Council member Garamelo, please follow

58:37by Council Member [clears throat]

58:38Johnson.

58:40>> Um,

58:42one thing I'm very happy today that Erin

58:45did not call us three hours before, you

58:47know, as she did before.

58:50uh but I think uh a lot of work went

58:53into it and we were just actors there

58:56but one thing I'll say I've been to a

58:57lot of conference and

59:00this was packed it was there was no

59:03breather from morning to evening even if

59:06we had a like an hour or two Eron made

59:10sure that we were taking turns and you

59:12know we we were completely there but the

59:15beauty about I was kind of a little

59:17reluctant should I go or not go but I'm

59:19glad I

59:20Because the kind of issues that you hear

59:24from other towns, you know, the person

59:27today was talking about fentinel, you

59:29know, those crisis then gun violence.

59:32You know, one of the towns, they were

59:34giving a presentation. They just had,

59:36you know, someone like a victim to gun

59:39violence, homelessness, and you know,

59:42and

59:44which town was it in around Boston area?

59:46It was only two square miles and 60,000

59:48people. Chelsea, 60,000 people stay

59:51there and we talk about traffic and this

59:53one like you know I'm just trying to put

59:56my mind together like how 60,000 people

59:59stay which is like double of Morrisville

1:00:03in 1/8 the size of it and but the

1:00:07harmony and people who came from south

1:00:10of Texas you know and with the cultures

1:00:14and everything it was it was something

1:00:16pretty remarkable and my

1:00:19town was Jensen, you know. Um, I went to

1:00:23school in Tulsa and Jenx is just next to

1:00:26it and it was so good connecting with

1:00:29them and they were so impressed with our

1:00:32town's you know smart city initiatives

1:00:35and the kind of things that we do and

1:00:38they reached out asking saying that

1:00:40they'll either fly here or you know take

1:00:43some of us there to basically learn from

1:00:47us because Jex is also like a similar

1:00:49town. is 29,000 people and the per

1:00:52capita income is almost closer to what

1:00:55we offer. Uh but they were their people

1:00:59are very reluctant to change of

1:01:01technology so they wanted ideas to how

1:01:04to do that. So so all in all it was just

1:01:07not you know like America city

1:01:10presentation or winning there. It's it's

1:01:13learning from experiences and uh at the

1:01:18end of the day I feel our town is really

1:01:20really blessed. We don't have many of

1:01:22those issues but other towns are

1:01:25fighting it and I think we I can happily

1:01:29report that our town is doing much much

1:01:31better than other towns and we are

1:01:34blessed to be in it. Thank you.

1:01:37>> Council member Johnson please. So, I'm

1:01:40going to echo what um council member um

1:01:44Garamela said and council member

1:01:45Scragggins Johnson said. And I also want

1:01:48to thank you, Erin, um for all your hard

1:01:50work and your department's hard work.

1:01:54Yes, there were a group of us that went

1:01:56and had to dedicate a really long

1:01:58weekend to this effort, but you worked

1:02:01on this for months and months ahead of

1:02:02time with the application, with coming

1:02:05up with the idea of the presentation.

1:02:07And so, um, I I too want to thank you

1:02:10and you, um, know how to herd cats

1:02:13because we were we were all over the

1:02:16place, but you managed to, um, to get us

1:02:18together. And, um, so thank you for your

1:02:21leadership. That is, um, I think very

1:02:24key to our success over the weekend in

1:02:26Denver. And I I just want to echo what

1:02:29you said because I really think this was

1:02:32key to us winning this competition, too.

1:02:34you talked about, you shared a photo of

1:02:37yourself and Billy at the Festival of

1:02:39Ideas where you talked about our website

1:02:41and the and how we're using um AI and

1:02:45the chatbot and all that. I really think

1:02:48that was key to our success and I will

1:02:50tell you I was in that room um for the

1:02:52festival of ideas and everyone

1:02:56took a beline to you and Billy to hear

1:03:00what you had to say and and to and the

1:03:03sharing of ideas. So, thank you. And

1:03:05Billy did a great job in the

1:03:07presentation um because he answered some

1:03:10um important questions, too, that I

1:03:11think really mattered um to the judges.

1:03:14So, um so, thank you very much for all

1:03:16this. And I I also want to thank our um

1:03:20our community members that came and our

1:03:22staff that um took a lot of time away

1:03:25from their families, their jobs, um all

1:03:28the other things they have in their

1:03:30lives to to spend um the the long very

1:03:33long weekend and and very action-packed.

1:03:36There was a lot going on during those

1:03:38days. And so I thank each and every one

1:03:41of you for taking the time to come with

1:03:42us. And um congratulations

1:03:48Yeah, big thanks to Erin and to Brandon

1:03:50for kind of leading the charge. Um, it

1:03:52was really a great experience, I think,

1:03:55for everyone. So, thank you very much to

1:03:57the community for joining us and for

1:03:58supporting us and hopefully we'll be

1:04:00applying again sometime in the next

1:04:02couple years and hopefully we'll win

1:04:04again, but it's worth the trip in any

1:04:06case. So, excellent. Thank you so much.

1:04:08Really appreciate. Anything you want to

1:04:10say?

1:04:11>> Um, I I would echo what you all have

1:04:13said. Um I

1:04:16I am still fired I think from Denver. Um

1:04:20but without the the team that I work

1:04:22with, without the support of staff,

1:04:24without the support of senior

1:04:26leadership, our community members, um

1:04:29their dedication, the support of

1:04:31council, uh for

1:04:34your leadership, for you know your

1:04:36encouragement of staff pursuing this

1:04:39effort. um knowing it was very different

1:04:42than what we did in 2021. Um and a lot

1:04:45of staff here weren't on staff in 2021.

1:04:48So, we were all sort of learning a

1:04:50little bit as we as we went. Um but just

1:04:53a phenomenal learning opportunity,

1:04:55phenomenal growth and development

1:04:57opportunity, I think for everyone. Um

1:05:00and it just came together beautifully on

1:05:04our presentation day. And you know,

1:05:06walking out of the room, I was almost in

1:05:08tears because I was like, couldn't have

1:05:10gone any better than it did. Uh, and

1:05:12just so so thankful to everybody that

1:05:15gave up their time and their energy and

1:05:18their efforts. Um, just really really

1:05:22proud of the work we did and thankful to

1:05:24be a part of it.

1:05:25>> Excellent. And you got to tell us what

1:05:26to do, which is kind of fun.

1:05:28>> I mean, a win-win.

1:05:30>> Yeah, it's a win-win. [laughter]

1:05:32>> Good stuff. Thank you.

1:05:33>> Thank you.

1:05:39takes me back to that evening when we

1:05:40won. It's very nice. Very nice. Uh we

1:05:43would now like to invite Jeannie Hooks,

1:05:45director of management services to the

1:05:46podium. And everyone's welcome to stay

1:05:49for longer or you can take the rest of

1:05:51the night to yourselves.

1:05:59Good evening, Mayor and Council. I'm

1:06:02really pleased tonight to have our

1:06:03consultant with merge back with us

1:06:05because it's very exciting. He's here to

1:06:07present to you some uh design concepts

1:06:11for a town center uh district branding

1:06:15way finding and signage. Uh we've

1:06:17narrowed this down. It's been a lot of

1:06:19work, a lot of work, a lot of creative

1:06:21work and a lot of input from the folks

1:06:24uh that we've worked with across the

1:06:26board with our stakeholder group. And

1:06:27now tonight we're here to get some input

1:06:29from you. And John will also I'll let

1:06:32him introduce himself in just a second.

1:06:34But to set the stage, he's going to go

1:06:35through those designs with you, share

1:06:37really the stakeholder input that we've

1:06:39received and why maybe some were higher

1:06:43ranked than others. And he's going to

1:06:45review give he'll pause for a moment to

1:06:48make sure that he gets your input. He's

1:06:49also going to go into wayfinding

1:06:51analysis and review. And there he's

1:06:53going to touch on some really early

1:06:55estimates and more so what the master

1:06:58plan is going to help us in terms of

1:07:00being able to see how we can plan for

1:07:02future implementation, have that

1:07:04scalability for wayfinding, branding,

1:07:07and signage. And then I'm going to jump

1:07:08back in and talk a few minutes with you

1:07:10about street naming and pause and get a

1:07:13little bit of input from you and

1:07:14guidance. And then I'm gonna ask John to

1:07:16do a wrapup of next steps for this

1:07:18project. So John, take it away.

1:07:20>> Sure.

1:07:23do that.

1:07:25>> Good evening. I'm John Bozio from Berge.

1:07:27Um we've been working on the branding

1:07:30and wayfinding program for the town

1:07:32center and um we just wanted to sort of

1:07:35give you a little bit of a background on

1:07:36where we've been. um the reviews that

1:07:38we've had with the various groups and um

1:07:41you know as we've gone through this

1:07:43process it's included a discovery

1:07:45process where we interviewed a whole

1:07:46bunch of people and gathered information

1:07:49and then went through this design

1:07:51process with the series of different

1:07:53design options that we started really

1:07:55with six options that we presented. Um

1:07:57tonight we're going to present four of

1:07:59those to you. Um those four have gone

1:08:02through um iterations based on comments

1:08:05that we received from the different

1:08:06groups um uh stakeholders steering

1:08:09committee town manager um sing

1:08:12partnership as well as the advisory

1:08:14committee that we presented to. So um

1:08:17what we're looking to tonight is to um

1:08:20get your feedback as well. Hopefully

1:08:22land on a basis for design. If there's

1:08:25colors or other adjustments we need to

1:08:27make, we will continue to go down that

1:08:29path, but hopefully get it down to four.

1:08:31Be great if we got it down to one. Um,

1:08:33if we get it down to two, I'll be happy

1:08:35with that, too. [laughter]

1:08:36Um,

1:08:38so as we've gone through the process,

1:08:40and one thing to um understand when we

1:08:43when we talk about the area that we're

1:08:46we're sort of charged with, it is the

1:08:48town center district, which is which is

1:08:50the blue area. um the plaza and the town

1:08:53center project is on the right. Um and

1:08:56that is um a destination within the

1:08:59district, but what we're talking about

1:09:00is the greater district. Um as we go

1:09:02through this um we went through branding

1:09:05exercises um and you can see from the

1:09:08previous um presentations, you know, the

1:09:10idea of community and welcoming and

1:09:13engaging. That's all part of what

1:09:15Morrisville is. And we try diversity and

1:09:18inclusiveness and innovation. We've

1:09:20tried to capture that as we've gone

1:09:21through this process.

1:09:24Um, and this is um some of the the

1:09:27elements that we gathered as we've um

1:09:30went through that brand study, that

1:09:32inclusive, innovative aspect, the

1:09:34community, comfortable, welcoming, and

1:09:36active, but also the town center

1:09:37architecture. So, it's a very

1:09:39interesting branding project to go

1:09:41through because we are designing it for

1:09:42a place, but we can't walk through the

1:09:44place. We can't experience the place

1:09:46yet. So there's a little bit of um

1:09:49development we have to do as we go

1:09:51through this, but that town center

1:09:53architecture, you'll see how we've

1:09:54brought that into um the design. It's

1:09:57because obviously that's going to be a

1:09:59big part of that experience.

1:10:02Um this is the brand statement that we

1:10:04came up with that Marsville Town Center

1:10:06is a welcoming, vibrant district that

1:10:08reflects the town's rich cultural

1:10:10diversity, active lifestyle, and strong

1:10:12sense of connection. Designed as a place

1:10:15for everyone, invites residents and

1:10:16visitors to gather, enjoy local events,

1:10:19and experience an inclusive community

1:10:21focused atmosphere where a shared sense

1:10:23of belonging continues to grow.

1:10:29So, as we go through these, these are

1:10:30some of the considerations, right? The

1:10:33goal is just that basis for design. Um,

1:10:35think about those brand traits. Um, the

1:10:38logo, there's certain ones that are word

1:10:40marked, there's letter marks, there's

1:10:41symbols. um the colors, the graphic

1:10:44language and we also looked at that

1:10:46social district and how we approached

1:10:48that. So in some cases it's very similar

1:10:50to the district logo in other cases it's

1:10:53different and we talked to police about

1:10:55you know how do you enforce the social

1:10:57district and you know some of those

1:10:58considerations were given to the design

1:11:01for that as well.

1:11:04We talked a lot about the name, right?

1:11:06So we went back and forth about the

1:11:08name. Um there were pros and cons for um

1:11:11all different types of names that were

1:11:13sort of considered. Um you know the the

1:11:16equity that you do have um with the town

1:11:19center over the past 20 25 years of

1:11:22development that is certainly strong but

1:11:24is not necessarily unique to Marsville.

1:11:27um, Unity Center, Marsville Central,

1:11:29Marsville Commons, all things that we

1:11:31considered, but they all have their own

1:11:33sort of con to it, whether it sounds

1:11:35like um, an apartment building or an

1:11:39office complex um, or if it just didn't

1:11:43sort of um, reflect the actual nature of

1:11:45what this is. Morrisville station, for

1:11:47example, sounds like a train station.

1:11:49Um, so we ended up landing on um, Town

1:11:53Center District. Um and then when we

1:11:56went through this um there was a lot of

1:11:58discussion of making sure we included

1:12:00Marsville as part of that. So make

1:12:03because that town center district isn't

1:12:05necessarily unique um name but make sure

1:12:08that Marsville was included within um

1:12:10the branding components of it.

1:12:14So there are six options. Um they're

1:12:17numbered a little bit. There's number

1:12:19two and

1:12:20>> there's one, three, four, and five.

1:12:22>> Yeah. Yeah. two and six are not in there

1:12:23because we didn't want to start

1:12:24confusing as we went through it. So,

1:12:26they had just been eliminated. Um,

1:12:29option one really concentrates on the

1:12:32site and the brand architecture. Um,

1:12:34when you look at um uh the sculptural

1:12:38elements and the um the buildings and

1:12:41the overall layout of the site, there

1:12:44are things that we brought into it, but

1:12:45we also considered the existing

1:12:47Marsville M.

1:12:51So, one thing, we're not changing the R

1:12:53Marsville M. I just want to make that

1:12:55really clear because we got that

1:12:56question a couple times. Um, we are not

1:12:58changing that. That is the um the the

1:13:01town's website. Um, this is for the

1:13:03district. But we thought with this

1:13:05option was if you took the M, you took

1:13:07some of those sculptural the activity of

1:13:09those sculptural elements and the idea

1:13:11that this place and this district is a

1:13:14festive and celebratory place. Can we

1:13:16combine those three things in to

1:13:19together to make a to make an identity?

1:13:23So this is that first option where we

1:13:25take the M, we internally called it the

1:13:28party M um to give it some really active

1:13:31um take on the Mars lawn. We kept the um

1:13:34the colors of the green and blue and

1:13:37then started to bring in the secondary

1:13:39colors that you see in there. the social

1:13:42district is reusing that end, but just

1:13:44um using a different color for that. But

1:13:47you can see when you look at identities,

1:13:50it's not just the identity all by

1:13:52itself. It's how does that expand out to

1:13:55a graphic language. So you can see it on

1:13:57the bags and and and the sign.

1:14:00You can see it on buttons. Uh we started

1:14:02to look at the social district, you

1:14:05know, making that sign orange so that um

1:14:07and from an enforcement standpoint, it's

1:14:09it sticks out. Um and u same thing with,

1:14:14you know, you're going to have

1:14:15compositive stickers. So um this is a

1:14:17way to sort of show it across a variety

1:14:20of materials.

1:14:22We also started to apply it to

1:14:24wayfinding. Um the interesting thing

1:14:26about this one and there is a spectrum

1:14:29of design through the different options

1:14:31is that when you start to take that

1:14:33consistency with the town logo and bring

1:14:37it onto the wayfinding then you don't

1:14:39have as much distinction between the

1:14:41district and the town signs that are out

1:14:43there. Um but it does give you a

1:14:46consistency across sort of a recognition

1:14:48standpoint. So it goes to a question as

1:14:51as you look at this is how much do you

1:14:54want that district to pop from you know

1:14:58formal government um elements.

1:15:02So this was option two was delete it. So

1:15:06we're on option three. Um so this one

1:15:09really um concentrates on festival

1:15:11celebration and sort of this joyous

1:15:13attitude. So, it has a lot more color to

1:15:15it

1:15:18and it has this um the uh sort of spark

1:15:23of fireworks and um celebratory pattern.

1:15:28Um that shape also is an inverted M. So,

1:15:31it's sort of hidden in there. Um and in

1:15:34this case, both the town center and the

1:15:36social district are um identical in

1:15:38color. it has a an abbreviated um uh

1:15:42sort of logo mark to it, but we do say

1:15:45Marsville Town Center District um in

1:15:47certain cases where we have a lockup for

1:15:50it. But you can see that pattern and

1:15:52that graphic language how it is much

1:15:54more sort of um celebratory compared to

1:15:58the previous one.

1:16:00And again, spreading it across a variety

1:16:02of elements, showing the batters. Um the

1:16:04group really liked the black banners

1:16:06with the with the color on it. Um, and

1:16:09they like the pattern that you see

1:16:10there. But again, you see that pattern.

1:16:11You see that inverted M is sort of sort

1:16:14of hidden in there.

1:16:17And then here's the signage. So, this

1:16:18one takes a little bit of a step away

1:16:21from the previous one. Um, all the signs

1:16:23are designed to be modular. We thought

1:16:25that was important. We know things are

1:16:26going to change over time. U, but this

1:16:29is the wayfinding. We'll talk about

1:16:31things like the streets. So, um, we're

1:16:34going to talk about street naming. Think

1:16:36about that. Also, besides just the

1:16:38identity, but you when you're branding,

1:16:41how that fits into what you're trying to

1:16:43create within that district.

1:16:46Option four

1:16:49has the same theme. Um, and it's just

1:16:51sort of a step away from that. So, it's

1:16:53the same idea. This one truly uses the

1:16:56your your town of Marsville secondary

1:17:00colors. So that was something that we

1:17:02heard from the groups that um if we

1:17:06don't use the blue and green then to use

1:17:08a secondary color. So this is what we

1:17:10brought in um to this one. This one's a

1:17:12little wordy. Um a lot of lot of

1:17:14information um and that's why like that

1:17:17town center one previous is an

1:17:19abbreviation. You're getting a quicker

1:17:21sort of view of it compared to this one

1:17:26again across a variety of elements.

1:17:29and then the signage. So this is um

1:17:32again it's a little bit complimentary

1:17:33towards your um sort of corporate or

1:17:36town logo because you're using the

1:17:38secondary colors.

1:17:41And then the last one um is diversity,

1:17:44culture and community, but it also looks

1:17:46to the buildings of the um of the

1:17:50architecture. So when you look at the

1:17:52new town center and the um the the

1:17:56project and you look at the site plan

1:17:58and the buildings um those buildings are

1:18:00curved um the architecture um you have

1:18:04the the plaza and the the playground so

1:18:06there's a lot of organic feels to that

1:18:10and we thought well can we take

1:18:11advantage of that in the typography. So

1:18:13you see a couple letters there um and

1:18:16then we translated that into the logo

1:18:19option. So this one um has a lot of um

1:18:24feel to it in sense of having different

1:18:27um um typog sort of a specific

1:18:29typography to um to Marsville and to the

1:18:33district itself. Um it's a lot more

1:18:35playful um than some of the others. Um

1:18:39and then we looked at this in different

1:18:40colors. Just so this one sort of went

1:18:42back and forth with colors and we landed

1:18:44um here

1:18:47across a variety of elements

1:18:50and then the signage. So then the

1:18:51signage starts to pick up that rounded

1:18:53feel. Again, that architecture and that

1:18:56space is going to have a lot of that um

1:18:59curved element to it.

1:19:03So then we just wanted to look at that

1:19:04in surrounding communities because we

1:19:06want Marsville to stand out. So, um, the

1:19:09next series of slides just show each

1:19:11option surrounded by the communities,

1:19:14um, and what they do for their downtowns

1:19:17and how it sort of fit in there.

1:19:24So, those are the four options. Um, and

1:19:27we'll we'll stop here and then maybe get

1:19:29some comments from the group. John, do

1:19:32before we open the floor for comments

1:19:33from council, do you want to share uh

1:19:35maybe some stakeholder feedback from

1:19:37each one because they sort of naturally

1:19:39written the order in which our

1:19:40stakeholders may have preferred them? I

1:19:43think that would be helpful. It's also

1:19:44included some comments are included in a

1:19:47summary in the FAQs that of the

1:19:50stakeholder feedback.

1:19:51>> Yeah, it it's not purposeful that we put

1:19:53it in a certain order and it ended up

1:19:54being

1:19:55>> it just happened that way. So the first

1:19:57one was generally the preferred one um

1:20:00amongst the groups. Um there was a

1:20:03strong I think number two was a strong

1:20:05sort of second in it. Um I think what we

1:20:09went back and forth a lot is on the

1:20:12color and how much it should match the

1:20:14Marsville either the green and blue or

1:20:16the secondary colors which you see in

1:20:18the option three. But that you know I

1:20:20always say if we're out the color we're

1:20:21we're good. Uh but yeah, that was um the

1:20:26main thing with that. There was some um

1:20:28comment on number two where we had do I

1:20:30go back to two? Um yeah, where we had

1:20:32the abbreviation um but that's why we

1:20:36added that tag underneath it so that it

1:20:39was totally spelled um out. But you

1:20:41could use town center that TWWNCR

1:20:44um as an element and then lock it up

1:20:46with that. Um I said number three um

1:20:50people felt was a little bit wordy

1:20:53and number four was really sort of the

1:20:55biggest jump of all of them. of one with

1:20:59the most unique colors had clear

1:21:01division from our existing brand and I

1:21:05think on the first one the most of the

1:21:08comments and I have some of my steering

1:21:10team here is that it was most

1:21:13complimementary to our existing brand

1:21:15structure

1:21:17and interesting

1:21:20that on the town sign

1:21:24that it's still even using the curve

1:21:27that we have, but it's in a it's on a

1:21:30different side, so there's still some

1:21:31separation there. Um, and we tried this

1:21:36one. Very interesting. Had a lot of love

1:21:39for the different color selection, color

1:21:41palette, and the use of a darker color

1:21:44created that pop in the community,

1:21:47especially when you get to the actual

1:21:49signs themselves. And then uh the third

1:21:54one, we wanted to leave that one in

1:21:56there because it was celebrating showing

1:21:58the first the fireworks use of the the M

1:22:04and our sec use of our secondary colors

1:22:06trying to give you options when it comes

1:22:08to color palette. And then of course the

1:22:11last one as we said just brought in a

1:22:14really different field and use of

1:22:16architecture. So, I'll pause there and

1:22:19just ask council for if there's a

1:22:22preference, which one maybe might be a

1:22:25preference. If there's not a preference,

1:22:28maybe colors or any input would be

1:22:31helpful at this point to move process

1:22:33forward. So, mayor, I'll ask you to sort

1:22:35of guide us.

1:22:35>> Yeah, I'll coordinate that. Uh, council

1:22:38member SC Johnson followed by member

1:22:40body, please.

1:22:43Thank you for this extensive analysis on

1:22:46the branding of the town center. I think

1:22:49having a

1:22:51you know um unique identity is very

1:22:55important. Our town center is not the

1:22:58traditional downtown. It's it's a

1:23:01derived center intended to be a thriving

1:23:06area that we bring the community

1:23:09together.

1:23:11I'm looking at slide number 35 out of 60

1:23:15where we are comparing

1:23:18the option one with the other

1:23:21surrounding um communities and other uh

1:23:26like Park Village and and looking at

1:23:28those, you know, head on and saying,

1:23:30"Well, what does that say to me?" And

1:23:34immediately when I looked at it, the

1:23:36names of that location

1:23:40pop first. What doesn't pop is

1:23:44Morrisville.

1:23:47All of these designs pop Town Center,

1:23:52but the comparator communities and

1:23:55entities, Clayton, Durham, Wake Forest,

1:24:00I look, I see that first.

1:24:02And then I see downtown.

1:24:05So we are the only proposed brand that

1:24:10pops town center and then makes our own

1:24:14identity very small. So I think we need

1:24:16to invert that. I think we need to

1:24:19Morrisville because we are expending a

1:24:22tremendous amount of sweat equity,

1:24:25financial equity. We want them to know

1:24:29they're in Morrisville. For that reason,

1:24:31I do think option one is as close to

1:24:35creating that brand connection

1:24:38>> from all the other ones. The um my next

1:24:43favorite

1:24:44um would be the Town Center District,

1:24:47but again that has absolutely no real

1:24:50tie to Morrisville. It I I I see Town

1:24:55Center District and I lose where I am.

1:24:58and it is a municipal center. So, let's

1:25:01let's be proud and let's it's screaming

1:25:04from the rooftops. Park Village is not a

1:25:07town. Um, so they can say Park West

1:25:12Village, but Morrisville is a place and

1:25:15it is a sense of being and I really

1:25:17think that we need to flip the narrative

1:25:21so that we um are

1:25:24>> it's a hierarchy. It's a hierarchy.

1:25:26>> Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. So that that's my

1:25:29input and I'll let the other council

1:25:30members weigh in. Thank you so much.

1:25:32Thank you.

1:25:34>> Mayor Tamati followed by council member

1:25:35Garel, please.

1:25:40>> Could you go back to the slide where you

1:25:41show them all together? I can't remember

1:25:43which one is which.

1:25:44>> Okay. So I was solidly for option three.

1:25:50um or I'm sorry, option four because I

1:25:53really like the fire the firework first

1:25:57and but when I saw it among all the

1:26:00other logos, I felt like option three,

1:26:05the colors really popped more and I like

1:26:09the I like the signage also. I don't,

1:26:12you know, I don't necessarily think

1:26:15that Morrisville has to be the biggest

1:26:19the biggest word there. Um, but I think

1:26:22that tonight if we can just agree on,

1:26:26you know, which color scheme we like and

1:26:28which kind of which style we like, we

1:26:30can always flip things around.

1:26:33>> Yeah, that that that's sort of the

1:26:35intent is to get the comments and then

1:26:36we'll go back and

1:26:38>> figure that out. And there may be an

1:26:39alternate one and two and for climate in

1:26:42the city.

1:26:42>> Yeah. I mean I don't like I don't mind

1:26:44this one but it just seems like when I

1:26:47see all the others this one kind of just

1:26:49seems like you know like sort of ho ho.

1:26:53I guess that because it's the M and the

1:26:56blue and green maybe that's more

1:26:59Morrisville branding. Maybe we should

1:27:01consider that one. But [clears throat] I

1:27:03really, you know, I really like option

1:27:06four a lot.

1:27:08And I think it Yeah, I mean I I'm I'm

1:27:13getting a little bit dizzy, but sorry.

1:27:15Sorry.

1:27:18Okay. Um All right. This is an option

1:27:21four, but option four is my favorite

1:27:23four. Um yeah, I'm I'm indifferent on

1:27:25the should Morrisville be bigger or town

1:27:28center be bigger,

1:27:30you know. I think I mean I think it's

1:27:33the Morrisville Town Center.

1:27:35I don't think we need I mean I don't

1:27:37necessarily think we need to brand

1:27:39Morrisville there but I'm fine if that's

1:27:42a decision of council

1:27:44>> an option four colors.

1:27:46>> Yeah.

1:27:48>> And I really did want to say that I I

1:27:50really appreciate this that all four of

1:27:53these options are so different and I I

1:27:57just the creativity that goes into this

1:27:59I think is is amazing. So thank you.

1:28:02>> Thank you.

1:28:02>> All right. I'm gonna roll it back.

1:28:05Council member Gella followed by Council

1:28:07Member Johnson.

1:28:09>> Um for me my fundamental question is did

1:28:12we

1:28:14pencil down what will be what we will be

1:28:17calling the downtown as because I

1:28:20thought we were at a stage where we will

1:28:23have a name defined to it like you know

1:28:26Fenton or something else. I don't think

1:28:30we ever came to those discussions yet.

1:28:33>> Uh because that will define what the

1:28:37name goes on here

1:28:39>> because you know for for me I think it

1:28:42has to be if you look at all this you

1:28:45know it has downtown Kerry downtown

1:28:47Clayton downtown Kerry Park you know

1:28:50Wake Forest downtown. I think the thing

1:28:53that sticks out to me is something like

1:28:55a district M or you know the M or

1:28:58something like which is unique like

1:29:00Fenton you know immediately it catches

1:29:02your attraction okay we know exactly

1:29:04where it is when you say downtown you

1:29:07know downtown rally alliance it can be

1:29:09hundreds and hundreds of things that

1:29:11come into it but I think

1:29:13>> we have not come to a consensus on what

1:29:17name to put and I think once we have

1:29:20that name I think design will follow the

1:29:24suit is what I feel.

1:29:26>> If I may um take you back to January

1:29:29when we had our first update, we

1:29:31actually discussed that with council and

1:29:33the input from our stakeholder group and

1:29:36I will move it back to a particular

1:29:38slide we've popped in here.

1:29:41Um as we talked about these naming

1:29:44considerations for town center and what

1:29:46evolved from the stakeholder input was

1:29:49the realization at that time that over

1:29:5210 years plus town center has actually

1:29:56created its own brand. did his name

1:29:59naming recognition was really strong in

1:30:01the feedback that we got that it made

1:30:05town center district or Morrisville Town

1:30:08Center really that primary name for the

1:30:12place.

1:30:13>> When you say the stakeholder is it

1:30:15including us?

1:30:16>> Stakeholders was um

1:30:20advisory committees. We have a steering

1:30:22team internally. It was um staff across

1:30:26the organization and council at the time

1:30:29that we showed you this back in January.

1:30:31>> Yeah. It was really before we even

1:30:33started design we said well you have to

1:30:35tell us what the name is going to be. We

1:30:38can't you know we can't just sort of

1:30:39make it up. So we went through this

1:30:41exercise with the group to sort of make

1:30:45that decision.

1:30:47But I again like you know I I

1:30:52if you're showing a slide of how many

1:30:54downtowns are there the only unique

1:30:58identifier is the name of the town that

1:31:00they're talking about

1:31:01>> like here they are you know so do we

1:31:05want to be that way or do we want like

1:31:08use like the M for example because it's

1:31:12more slow so something which is catchy

1:31:16and which really gets it I think would

1:31:19be the smaller the better you go longer

1:31:23it's like downtown and Kerry and this

1:31:26one it basically people lose interest is

1:31:29is my opinion and I like the color

1:31:32scheme is

1:31:34>> which option

1:31:36>> go to that

1:31:42this one

1:31:43>> so auction

1:31:44>> it's this this one can also be tweaked

1:31:46with more little green with symbolizing

1:31:49some marful colors into it.

1:31:52>> But I really like it is refreshing and

1:31:56it really catches.

1:31:57>> So the difference the iconic symbolism

1:32:00of the abbreviated town center combined

1:32:03with Morrisville Town Center.

1:32:05>> Honestly, when I see the M, I feel like

1:32:07a DUI for M, you know. But but I think

1:32:12uh this one is more refreshing and

1:32:16something because for the downtown to be

1:32:20successful, we need young people coming

1:32:23here. So we got to think with those

1:32:26color market.

1:32:27>> Okay. Thank you.

1:32:33>> Council member Johnson, followed by

1:32:35Council Member Patel, please. So, Gina,

1:32:37could you put up I think it's slide 36

1:32:40where you have all the four options and

1:32:42I apologize. I'm getting confused as to

1:32:44we we're saying the second option.

1:32:47There is no second. So, yeah, this is

1:32:50helpful for me. The one I don't like is

1:32:53option five. Um, so I would tell you

1:32:56that is my least favorite of all of

1:32:58them. And not so much the colors, but I

1:33:01I just don't like that option there. I

1:33:04do like option one. I like the play on

1:33:06the M and making it um more joyful and

1:33:10kind of gives it some kind of movement.

1:33:13I do like the traditional colors. Um I

1:33:17think to throw in a pop or two here or

1:33:20there um is helpful, too. But I I I'm

1:33:24gravitating toward option one and then

1:33:28um

1:33:29after option one, I like option three. I

1:33:32like that. I like the I like the the

1:33:34burst of um colors there. I like that um

1:33:37that it's like fireworks. I I do like

1:33:40that too. So um I [clears throat] I

1:33:43don't like the town center abbreviated

1:33:46there. Um and on option three I I would

1:33:51and I do think um let me back up a

1:33:53minute. I do think you are correct. We

1:33:55have called this area town center for I

1:33:58would tell you more than a decade. So to

1:34:01call it a town center, I think we've

1:34:03landed there um just by um organically.

1:34:07I don't know about the word district.

1:34:09That doesn't um I I

1:34:12here I'm here or there on that, but um

1:34:14just to put town center um I'd be fine

1:34:17with that. And then I do agree with the

1:34:20Morrisville needs to pop a little bit.

1:34:22The I and I wouldn't put the MC quite

1:34:25frankly. I would just I would make sure

1:34:28because now I'm looking at space and

1:34:30trying trying to figure out how to make

1:34:31it as big as possible. I think just to

1:34:33have Morrisville there is enough. We all

1:34:35know we're in North Carolina. This is

1:34:37going to be signage right here, you

1:34:40know, and I realize this is um going to

1:34:43be on materials that will be around the

1:34:47nation or wherever potentially. But I I

1:34:50I would I I would leave off the NC and

1:34:54just um make more the word more still.

1:34:56Highlight it, make it a little bigger.

1:34:58Um

1:35:00and that's probably as all the much

1:35:02feedback as I can give you right now. So

1:35:05yeah, I'm not sure about you've heard a

1:35:07lot of different things so far, but

1:35:09thank you for and thank you for putting

1:35:10all the work into it. So much easier.

1:35:12I've said this mo many many many times

1:35:14over the years. It is so much easier to

1:35:17react to something than to create it.

1:35:19So, thank you for creating the options

1:35:21that we can react to. I appreciate that.

1:35:25>> Council member Patel, followed by myself

1:35:26and then council member Kesling.

1:35:30>> First of all, thank you for the

1:35:32excellent work you guys have done. Uh,

1:35:35whichever design we select, uh, it's

1:35:38going to stay with us for decades, if

1:35:42not forever.

1:35:43So a few things I believe we should

1:35:47consider are

1:35:50which of these four designs is is is

1:35:54timeless

1:35:56like versus you know trendy colors.

1:36:00Uh I particularly like uh option one

1:36:04because

1:36:06it goes with our module level.

1:36:09Um and it's simple. Uh something other

1:36:13things that I think we should uh uh we

1:36:16should consider are do we have any

1:36:18information uh on which option works

1:36:22best for people with color vision

1:36:24deficiencies

1:36:26>> that you would look at from um it's more

1:36:29if it has a bigger contrast. Um there's

1:36:32all kinds of levels and spectrums of of

1:36:35color blindness. So, you know, one group

1:36:39might see something, one group might not

1:36:41see something else. So, it's very hard

1:36:43to, you know, just pick it based on to

1:36:45make sure it works. It's only when you

1:36:47go to signage to make sure that it's

1:36:49contrast enough.

1:36:50>> Yeah. And something else I would

1:36:53consider consider would be which would

1:36:55be the easiest to maintain over decades.

1:36:59More colors you have,

1:37:01more harder it's going to be to

1:37:03maintain. And then

1:37:06>> the more let me make sure I understood

1:37:08what you said. The more colors

1:37:09>> more colors you have it's going to be

1:37:13difficult to uh to maintain. Uh some

1:37:16colors deteriorate faster than the

1:37:18others.

1:37:20And then also which logo remains uh more

1:37:26recognizable when you scale it down for

1:37:28digital use.

1:37:31So I don't know whether you have

1:37:33information more on that but those are

1:37:35things I would consider but I

1:37:37particularly like option one for this

1:37:38reason

1:37:38>> option one for you

1:37:41>> and the colors work for you as well is

1:37:43what I'm also hearing

1:37:44>> yes I those go with our mole

1:37:49those colors

1:37:52>> thank you sir

1:37:53>> okay I'll share my thoughts and then

1:37:55council member Kling um I'm a bit of a

1:37:59traditionalist when it comes comes to

1:38:00this branding stuff. I think because I

1:38:02like option one a lot. I think it's

1:38:04similar, but it has motion. It has

1:38:05activity and makes it nice. Um, I'm not

1:38:09as enthused about calling it town center

1:38:12district. I would love to call it

1:38:14Morrisville Center

1:38:16because that's the town and that's the

1:38:18center and that's Morrisville first and

1:38:21foremost instead of just calling the

1:38:23town center and then you have to say

1:38:24Morrisville. So, I'd like to see if we

1:38:27can sort of take a step back and make

1:38:30sure that we're all happy with the name

1:38:32because town center district is long and

1:38:34not descriptive.

1:38:36>> Um,

1:38:37>> this lets you try it on, you know, town

1:38:40center district is why, you know,

1:38:42>> we have the district in town already.

1:38:44It's in Park West.

1:38:45>> Um, so that's a little problematic.

1:38:47Also,

1:38:48>> it's not it's not in the center of town.

1:38:51>> The argument against it was it's not in

1:38:53the center of town. That's what we got

1:38:55next.

1:38:56>> Yep. Understood. But it's the center of

1:38:59our town. Doesn't have to be

1:39:00geographically,

1:39:01>> right?

1:39:02>> Um because I think people will say,

1:39:04"Let's meet at the center."

1:39:07>> Right. That

1:39:08>> like what council member Garo was saying

1:39:10the M. Let's just make it short. So if

1:39:12it's more center, we'll say let's meet

1:39:15at the center.

1:39:16>> Right.

1:39:16>> Instead of let's just go to the M.

1:39:18Something like that. And people will

1:39:19just shorten it to the center. And then

1:39:21that'll be the next brand. That's the

1:39:24subbrand that people actually use and

1:39:26people will know what that is. Um the

1:39:29other ones just generally don't excite

1:39:32me because they're new and different and

1:39:35um they don't continue what we've done.

1:39:38I think I like the M that we have and

1:39:41this has the rounding although it looks

1:39:44like the rounding is on the other side

1:39:46of RM now which is a little weird but

1:39:49that's not a big deal. Um, and I think

1:39:51it'll fit in with the existing signage.

1:39:54So, I think it's the easiest fit and I

1:39:56think people recognize it for what it is

1:39:58rather than having two different places.

1:40:00I like the idea of having the black

1:40:02against the other popping colors. I'd be

1:40:05interested to know how a black would

1:40:06look on this background if the green and

1:40:09the blue would pop similarly,

1:40:13but I like having the same colors at the

1:40:16very start. And option one by far is my

1:40:18favorite.

1:40:18>> Thank you, sir. Uh, council member K.

1:40:23>> So, what is the life cycle of a brand?

1:40:30>> The life cycle. I've designed I've

1:40:32designed brands that are still in play

1:40:3420 years later. Um, yeah.

1:40:40Um,

1:40:44I've got a bit to say here, so I'll get

1:40:47through it quickly. Um I heard young

1:40:49people mention for you know we want to

1:40:52attract young people here. Um it's my

1:40:55speculation

1:40:56uh being a young person myself that we

1:41:02and I'm speaking for all young people

1:41:04here I suppose um which don't

1:41:06necessarily want to do but I think we

1:41:08can be very sensitive to inauthentic

1:41:10inauthenticity.

1:41:13Um,

1:41:14looking at these options, I'm getting a

1:41:18sense of um, that they're generic. Um,

1:41:23and I worry to a certain extent that

1:41:24we're prioritizing optics over

1:41:26substance. Um, I think for me, I don't

1:41:29know the Morris Lound Center yet, right?

1:41:33I don't feel comfortable imposing

1:41:36um, [clears throat]

1:41:37you know, brand onto it before truly

1:41:40knowing it. Um,

1:41:43and I certainly I I I wrote this down.

1:41:45I'll I'll read it. Um, I would rather

1:41:48have an expens in inexpensive temporary

1:41:50wayfinding and signage and allow the

1:41:53town center to tell us who it is without

1:41:55us imposing what our idea of what it

1:41:57should be. Um, is

1:42:01um, and you said it yourself earlier

1:42:03with uh, that town center has

1:42:05effectively given itself a name, right?

1:42:08Over the 20 years of this project. Um,

1:42:11right. It has given itself in that that

1:42:13name. And I I really like Morrisville

1:42:15Town Center. Um,

1:42:18and you know, I think

1:42:22that hasn't happened with the colors or

1:42:24the graphics or all that kind of stuff.

1:42:26And um, and that's why I was asking

1:42:29about the life cycle of a brand. Um, you

1:42:31know, let's say we pick, not saying that

1:42:34any of these are the wrong options, but

1:42:36let's just say that the life cycle of

1:42:39any of these, it varies, right? And to

1:42:44Council Member Patel's point, you know,

1:42:46will it stand the test of time? I don't

1:42:48think anybody knows that

1:42:51yet. Um,

1:42:53so all that being said, I do like option

1:42:57one, um, because it

1:43:02I think it it's flowing out of, you

1:43:06know, our current branding, which I

1:43:07think is good. Um, but with option one

1:43:12specifically, I believe that one would

1:43:13allow the Morrisville Town Center to

1:43:16tell us who it is in due time. Uh, my

1:43:19one gripe about it is that the M here

1:43:22looks like the McDonald's M. I talked

1:43:25about an inauthenticity earlier, right?

1:43:31That's just what I saw in it. Um,

1:43:36take that feedback for what it's worth.

1:43:43>> Anything else?

1:43:44>> That's it.

1:43:46Um

1:43:48>> perhaps the if the if the M was a

1:43:50butterfly,

1:43:52>> that might be nice.

1:43:53>> Say that one more time.

1:43:54>> If the M was a butterfly.

1:43:55>> Okay,

1:43:58>> that might be nice. But I'm not It's

1:44:01just an idea.

1:44:03>> And that's playing on the icon art that

1:44:05we're putting we're installing around

1:44:07town.

1:44:08>> This is about sharing the ideas. Council

1:44:10member Scani Johnson, did you have a

1:44:12circle back?

1:44:16So

1:44:18I still feel

1:44:22that we need to find that Morrisville

1:44:26identity that we I've heard different

1:44:30interpretations of how to bring that up

1:44:32whether it's visually the word

1:44:34Morrisville or a unique characteristic

1:44:37of Morrisville or the butterfly um being

1:44:42you know something that we know a sense

1:44:46of place like that's Morrisville. So,

1:44:50and I do also find it um fascinating to

1:44:55think about, you know, accessibility

1:44:58with colors and um we have a lot of sun.

1:45:03Thankfully, we have a lot of sun in

1:45:05North Carolina and the bleaching of

1:45:08certain colors over time, how is that

1:45:10going to age? Um it's not just replacing

1:45:14signs and updating signs, but it's just

1:45:16some colors tend to kind of um not age

1:45:20as well as other colors in North

1:45:22Carolina specific. Thank you.

1:45:26Any other comments?

1:45:29So, I think, and correct me if I'm

1:45:31wrong, I'm summarizing real quickly, is

1:45:34is there's a a need of ownership for the

1:45:37center in claiming Morrisville more

1:45:39strongly and more predominantly. Uh

1:45:43center or something with center is still

1:45:45very much what I'm hearing across the

1:45:47board is a part of that that name. I'm

1:45:49also I'm also seeing some relationship

1:45:53with uh strong interest in option three

1:45:57and option one. Option three being the

1:46:01vibrancy of the color maybe and maybe

1:46:04the uniqueness of this iconic town

1:46:07center abbreviation may be something

1:46:10that that is of interest. But yeah, I'm

1:46:12also hearing

1:46:14a strong interest in the connection to

1:46:17the existing brand. Um the the the way

1:46:21that it flows with option one with the

1:46:25existing brand. So somewhere in between

1:46:27there and creating some vibrancy

1:46:30um is it's generally the summary that

1:46:33I'm hearing from collective.

1:46:37I'm not sure if there's support for that

1:46:39abbreviated TWWN center very much. Um,

1:46:43but I would like to recognize Mayor Pete

1:46:45who had a comment and I think Council

1:46:47Member Kling.

1:46:48>> Yeah, just wanted to say that I like I

1:46:50said I I'm really drawn to option three.

1:46:53That's like those colors are just my

1:46:55jam. But, um, Council Member Patel has a

1:46:59really, really good point about

1:47:02timelessness. And

1:47:06I think that I love these colors, but,

1:47:11you know, would I get tired of them over

1:47:12time? Maybe I would. So, um, and now I

1:47:16can't unsee the McDonald's.

1:47:19So, thank you so much for that. Um but

1:47:23uh yeah, but I I think like I could be I

1:47:27could go for option one also.

1:47:29>> Okay. Yeah, the the M is meant to mimic

1:47:32a piece of architecture that you're

1:47:34going to have grounding the entrance to

1:47:35the green. That was very intentional.

1:47:38You don't have an existing landmark to

1:47:41really grab onto, which is most town

1:47:44centers when they're building or

1:47:45revamping, usually you have that. So

1:47:48that M put a lot of time and energy in

1:47:50that discussion with town center be

1:47:53getting became that element for option

1:47:56one and and the use of the white space

1:47:58is also something that uh is very

1:48:01important to that particular option. So

1:48:04I think uh color-wise maybe option three

1:48:06is this that's the strike that's the the

1:48:09piece where y'all are gravitating to not

1:48:11the abbreviation maybe. Okay.

1:48:14>> Okay. I'm getting the head nuts for that

1:48:16clarity. So, thank you. Anything that

1:48:19I'm missing on that one?

1:48:21>> Through the way finding real quick.

1:48:22>> Yep. Let's run through the way finding

1:48:23real quick.

1:48:24>> We have more questions.

1:48:26>> I just had a quick question for me body.

1:48:28Do you still see the popsicles in our

1:48:29original M?

1:48:31>> Do I'm sorry. Do I

1:48:32>> still see the popsicles in the original

1:48:34M?

1:48:35>> Well, now I do. [laughter]

1:48:36>> Okay. Council member Kesley.

1:48:40>> Um,

1:48:42slightly unjust, but

1:48:45Nick Morrisville.

1:48:47Gota

1:48:49>> with the with the option I still really

1:48:51like option one. Um but I just thought

1:48:53of that um you know there's your name

1:48:56and your and your logo which

1:49:00is ridiculous

1:49:03>> McMorris bill with the McDonald's.

1:49:06>> That's ridiculous.

1:49:07>> Yeah.

1:49:08>> That that's that's what I that's I just

1:49:10came up with that right. Um I don't know

1:49:13if other people would come up with that.

1:49:15We usually start making comments like

1:49:17that at about 11 later in the evening.

1:49:20So, we're getting started a little

1:49:21early, but I I like it. Creative.

1:49:23>> Well, thank you all for the feedback. Do

1:49:24we have other questions before we move

1:49:26on?

1:49:26>> We're good on the presentation to this

1:49:29point. I think we've [snorts] given what

1:49:30we're going to give. So, if you want to

1:49:31move on to the next portion, that'd be

1:49:32great.

1:49:33>> We'll run through the wayinding real

1:49:34quick just in the essence of time. So,

1:49:36um in in addition to the branding, we

1:49:39are starting to look at sort of the

1:49:40technical aspects of wayfinding within

1:49:43or around the district. And when we

1:49:44think about that, we really think about

1:49:45it holistically. So while we talked

1:49:47about slides that we showed you signs

1:49:49tonight, we're also thinking about all

1:49:50the other things that this branding and

1:49:53other elements may help with that way

1:49:54finding. So whether that is um the

1:49:58website that it could be developed to um

1:50:01kiosks that are within the um around the

1:50:04plaza district um you know digital

1:50:07technology, how can we bring that into

1:50:09it? How does that environment affect

1:50:11your ability to find your way? and then

1:50:13other support materials. We want to get

1:50:14all these things basically to talk to

1:50:16each other. So again, we'll just give

1:50:19you a summary. We start to identify what

1:50:22um potential digital wayfinding tools

1:50:24that can be utilized. We'll talk a

1:50:26little bit about sort of a kiosk that

1:50:28might that could be digital within the

1:50:30within the area. Um there's going to be

1:50:33a map. Um you're going to want a map of

1:50:35the area. Um you want that to be

1:50:37universal. So, it's the same map that

1:50:39you see before you arrive, maybe on the

1:50:41website. Um, then to also have one, you

1:50:44know, on the signs around around the

1:50:47area. These are just examples of other

1:50:48maps. Um, landmarks. So, landmarks are

1:50:52another way you find your way around.

1:50:54Um, so whether that is a building, a

1:50:56sign, or a piece of sculpture, public

1:50:59art will be landmarks within this space

1:51:02to give you an orientation to where you

1:51:04are or where to meet somebody. And we're

1:51:06folding in in our conversation as we map

1:51:09out really what that plan is in your

1:51:11master plan where things would be um

1:51:14plotted. We also are incorporating where

1:51:17are those murals going to be, where are

1:51:19those future icon statues going to be so

1:51:22that we're balancing because you can

1:51:23overdo an area with signage and you know

1:51:27while you think it's a large area this

1:51:29town center district, it really is not.

1:51:31So you have to have a good balance.

1:51:33>> This is also a master plan. So from our

1:51:35standpoint, we're sort of offering, you

1:51:37know, here are 20 recommendations, all

1:51:38the things you can consider. You don't

1:51:40have to do all 20, you could do two

1:51:42that's sort of scalable. Um, obviously

1:51:45there's the existing signs that are out

1:51:46there.

1:51:48Um, and really it's that information

1:51:50hierarchy of how you direct people

1:51:52around. So you get people, you welcome

1:51:55them to Barsville, then to the town

1:51:57center, and then you get them to the

1:51:59individual destinations um for their

1:52:03when they arrive.

1:52:06So the first thing is getting people

1:52:08from the town um borders in and then

1:52:12once you get to the district,

1:52:13identifying that district. So when we

1:52:16start to talk about budgets now, you can

1:52:18start to we could add or subtract to

1:52:20these to these areas, but it starts to

1:52:23give us an idea of well, you know, when

1:52:25when do I have like a wow gateway where

1:52:28I really want to make my statement and

1:52:29are there others that are simply a

1:52:31boundary marker where it's a less

1:52:32expensive element.

1:52:36you know, parking. Um, you know, you

1:52:38want to start to think about the

1:52:39parking, not only just signage, but from

1:52:42the moment someone decides to come, is

1:52:45there an identity that you can develop a

1:52:47distinguishable P that people can

1:52:50follow? Um, and you can have that on

1:52:52your website, on maps, on brochures, um,

1:52:55at the parking lots.

1:53:00>> Starting to identify which destinations

1:53:03are going to be directed to.

1:53:06um start the naming of those

1:53:10and then the social district. So how are

1:53:12we going to identify that social what

1:53:14tools are you using to identify that? So

1:53:18uh whether it's signs or elements on the

1:53:20ground um those are things that'll be

1:53:22considered

1:53:23>> in your FAQ. I give you a little more

1:53:25information behind what the suggested

1:53:27boundary is right now and those key

1:53:29elements that the steering team took

1:53:31into consideration uh uh to to really

1:53:34come up with the recommendation. We'll

1:53:36bring more of that back in really what

1:53:38would be the operational framework at

1:53:40another time. But I did want you to see

1:53:42that boundary within the district.

1:53:46And now we've started to group it into

1:53:51sort of how how can you roll this out

1:53:52and how do you group? So you can't do

1:53:55way finding systems where say I'll do

1:53:56this street but not that street or this

1:53:58area but not that area because it all

1:54:00connects. But you can look at sign types

1:54:03um and group them that way. So, um that

1:54:07group along the top really is probably

1:54:09that first element that you can consider

1:54:12which is parking and pedestrian signs um

1:54:15around the district. Um you can then

1:54:17look at vehicular signs either getting

1:54:19you to the district, you know, from a

1:54:21distance from the town borders or um as

1:54:24well as around the district itself. And

1:54:27then you start to look at gateway

1:54:29elements um to the town center um and

1:54:33then also uh kiosk. So we have the

1:54:36thought of kiosks sort of on the edges

1:54:38sort of smaller and just giving you an

1:54:40orientation but you could have a digital

1:54:42kiosk you know within the plaza that has

1:54:46events um you know we could talk about

1:54:48what the programming of that would be

1:54:50whether it's digital or static what kind

1:54:53of information needs to be posted within

1:54:55that area if you're having festivals and

1:54:57and activities.

1:55:02>> You want me to take this one?

1:55:03>> Sure.

1:55:03>> Okay. So, this is really early cost

1:55:06estimates. I was talking with John about

1:55:08this, and it's always a danger putting a

1:55:10number out there so early, but I wanted

1:55:12you to have context. Uh, Wayfinding,

1:55:15signage, and gateway. When we originally

1:55:18went down that path with what we already

1:55:20have now, pretty sizable project back

1:55:22then, and it was in three phases. And in

1:55:25those three phases, they actually

1:55:26totaled about $750,000.

1:55:30and we did not do all of the phases over

1:55:32that time period. With this with a

1:55:35master plan, and that's what we lacked

1:55:37back then, with a master plan, the

1:55:39beauty of it's going to give you

1:55:41scalability, recommendations of packages

1:55:45that you can then balance in the

1:55:47continuity of a master plan and

1:55:50implementing these future future

1:55:51projects even over a phase period. It's

1:55:54going to give you a menu of options,

1:55:57ability to manage your budget over a

1:56:00time period. The other factor here that

1:56:02I think from my own experience in the

1:56:04first project way back when I had to

1:56:06pick that up when someone left was the

1:56:09factors that influence it at the time

1:56:11you're trying to to implement put them

1:56:13on the ground is the fabrication. It's

1:56:16the installation factors. It's even do

1:56:19you have the rightway or the easement to

1:56:20put a sign where you're designating. We

1:56:23ran into some of those issues with a

1:56:25master plan. We're going to have some of

1:56:27that already well thought out in advance

1:56:29to give us this guidance. But this gives

1:56:31you scalability. You don't have to. You

1:56:35can do all the way to a larger package.

1:56:37You could do it over time or you could

1:56:39do a basic package that gets you

1:56:41started. Is that fair to say?

1:56:43>> Yes.

1:56:44>> So, we've also identified um future

1:56:47funding to consider potentially could be

1:56:51sponsorship. And I think the key here is

1:56:55we would have to do an initial

1:56:57investment up front. Sponsorship over a

1:56:59period of time could potentially

1:57:02substantially pay for this or repay for

1:57:06any investment that we make in this town

1:57:09center district. There's a lot of

1:57:10potential for sponsorship when it comes

1:57:13to wayfinding kiosk. Lot of

1:57:16opportunities.

1:57:19Yes, sir.

1:57:23When you talk about sponsorship, does it

1:57:26change the logo there? Because they will

1:57:30ask for you know why would I sponsor

1:57:33something and if I'm sponsoring what am

1:57:36I getting on the side? So I'll use I

1:57:39think and and from what I understand for

1:57:42example if you have a a digital kiosk a

1:57:44digital kiosk that's sponsored has a lot

1:57:47of marketing potential for whoever is

1:57:50wanting to sponsor this kiosk for

1:57:52example I think the sponsorship is going

1:57:54to come and the bigger elements of town

1:57:57center as a whole that's going to pay

1:58:00for many elements that we want to put

1:58:02into town center not just the science

1:58:05itself signs. It's just sponsorship.

1:58:08>> So,

1:58:08>> general sponsorship.

1:58:10>> Yeah, general sponsorship. So, because

1:58:11you were talking reference to the signs

1:58:14like sponsorship. So, I was thinking,

1:58:16okay, if I have to give money to the

1:58:17sign, then what where is my logo going

1:58:20on top of

1:58:22>> it comes in a bigger desk.

1:58:23>> So, that's a different thing.

1:58:25>> Anything else you would like to add to

1:58:26this one? No, I I think you know what

1:58:29this project once we settle on the brand

1:58:30and we the different elements really

1:58:33you're going to have a design guideline

1:58:34for what everything looks like and so

1:58:36it's consistent across the board and

1:58:39then you start to roll that out over

1:58:41time. Um these projects never just drop

1:58:44out of the sky one day and the whole

1:58:45thing is done, right? It's usually

1:58:47phased. Um but this gives you that

1:58:49strategy based on funding availability

1:58:53approvals um whatever it may be.

1:58:57Council member Kesling, did you have

1:58:58something?

1:59:01>> Yes. I um

1:59:06I wanted to double down on the the

1:59:09butterfly idea for two reasons. The

1:59:13first one being that we're going to be

1:59:14discussing it's later this evening I

1:59:16believe the um uh

1:59:21>> icons. So this is it this evening or um

1:59:24when

1:59:26>> Thursday

1:59:27>> um so on Thursday we're going to be

1:59:29discussing the butterfly icons and

1:59:31throwing this out to the council um

1:59:35that uh if the butterflies all around

1:59:39town are pointing to uh the town center

1:59:42um I feel like that's an additional wayf

1:59:45finding idea opportunity. um

1:59:49uh you know, how do you get to the um

1:59:52town center? You follow the butterflies.

1:59:53Um as well as the Western White Farmers

1:59:55Market would be located there and you

1:59:58know, they hand out seed packets and

1:59:59have composting. So that environmental

2:00:01component of that um is really nice as

2:00:03well. I know I'm kind of going backwards

2:00:05with talking about the branding and

2:00:07whatnot, but that just came to mind when

2:00:09we were talking about wayfinding,

2:00:10particularly using those um those

2:00:12butterfly icons as a um as wayfinding in

2:00:16themselves. That's just an idea that I'm

2:00:19throwing out there for our discussion on

2:00:20Thursday.

2:00:21>> Yes, sir. We we have Britney

2:00:23intentionally a part of the steering

2:00:25team to remind us of these opportunities

2:00:28and how they play a part in plotting our

2:00:30future plan and this master plan for

2:00:32town center. All

2:00:34right, I'm gonna move.

2:00:35>> Actually, I'm sorry. Um, council member

2:00:38Patel, did you have something? And then

2:00:39yes,

2:00:40>> Scarlet Johnson.

2:00:42>> Uh, Council Member Scarlet Johnson,

2:00:43please. And then myself.

2:00:46>> So, with the wayfinding signs, there's

2:00:49two kinds of wayfinding signs in my

2:00:52understanding. One is a stagnant sign

2:00:55that's a permanent fixture of go here,

2:00:59this way to the greenway, this way to

2:01:01the town center. But there's also

2:01:03dynamic wayfinding signs that are going

2:01:07to bleed into the programming of the

2:01:10district. And I think that's what

2:01:11council member Gara Meler was um

2:01:14alluding to is that a wayfinding sign

2:01:18that's an interactive I've seen them in

2:01:21Raleigh in some other venues is and it

2:01:24might not be a phase one, it might be a

2:01:26phase two, but an interactive wayfinding

2:01:29sign that allows for people to sponsor

2:01:32messages. And so it's not just a

2:01:35permanent place and sponsorship, but

2:01:37it's a dynamic sponsorship for events or

2:01:41activities or, you know, announcements

2:01:44and so forth. So although we're looking

2:01:47at the static wayfinding signs, we also

2:01:51have to think about our dynamic

2:01:53electronic or those kiosks

2:01:57um for the town center too so that we

2:02:00can enable um better messaging, more

2:02:03timely messaging. if there's a safety

2:02:06alert, we could, you know, kind of

2:02:09immediately activate certain kiosks to

2:02:12get people information that they need at

2:02:14the time.

2:02:15>> And and that's where the ranges come in.

2:02:17Um, we were considering considering

2:02:19those and you know, depending how many

2:02:21of those you do and and that sort of

2:02:23thing that push obviously pushes the the

2:02:25cost up. So that's where the ranges come

2:02:27in,

2:02:27>> right? But

2:02:29it's a matter of payback too because if

2:02:32you can have content sponsorship, you're

2:02:35gonna have initial capital costs. But

2:02:37>> then there's a revenue analysis of how

2:02:40>> and August 22nd I'm really looking

2:02:41forward to is ongoing expenses and

2:02:44carrying costs. I'm looking at ongoing

2:02:47carrying costs of a dynamic sign and how

2:02:50we can ensure that we offset expenses

2:02:53for that. we can include some sort of

2:02:55analysis within the budget as we move

2:02:58forward and have locations and that sort

2:03:00of thing. Sure.

2:03:00>> That's right. Thank you so much. Our

2:03:03partners seem that they're not here this

2:03:06evening, I don't believe, but they gave

2:03:07me some good advice when it comes to

2:03:10interactive information hubs, which is

2:03:12what we've we've identified here. That's

2:03:13very similar to what you're talking

2:03:14about. You also have to consider how are

2:03:16you going to maintain it? Who's going to

2:03:18operate it and keep it updated? And so

2:03:21those are things that we have to No

2:03:23matter if the I've seen it with the

2:03:26kiosk, no matter if it's static or

2:03:27digital, it's content. And whether that

2:03:29you go and pull it off and put it on or

2:03:32send it, you know, wirelessly, someone

2:03:34has to come up with that content. I see

2:03:37plenty of interactive kiosk that are

2:03:39blank screens because no one has a

2:03:42responsibility for that content

2:03:44management. So that's something you

2:03:46always have to be honest with yourselves

2:03:48with kiosks.

2:03:51>> Okay. And we actually already have the

2:03:53content. We're already using TVs at the

2:03:55parks. So I think that will be

2:03:56>> we have that data feed

2:03:57>> that instead of like a separate digital

2:04:00kiosk, I think just putting on the

2:04:01bathroom structure,

2:04:03>> one of those TVs is kind of our our

2:04:06first step.

2:04:07>> Um, one of your slides earlier had lots

2:04:09of parking signs and I know some towns

2:04:12need to have a special P to direct

2:04:14people. We have the parking deck and we

2:04:17have on street parking. I don't think we

2:04:19need to have any parking signs. It's

2:04:21pretty obvious that that's it.

2:04:24>> Yeah.

2:04:24>> Um also looking forward to the future.

2:04:27Um 3D glasses and having interactive

2:04:31things like that this way to the town

2:04:32center doing that. Um leaning into

2:04:35Pokemon. There's already people walking

2:04:37through this area of town, the town

2:04:39campus doing Pokemon. Yeah.

2:04:40>> So it'd be nice to interact with them

2:04:42and have the middle of the town green be

2:04:45one of the big stations or something

2:04:46like that. It sounds weird but I mean if

2:04:49you want more interaction with the youth

2:04:50and some adults that would be helpful in

2:04:53that space. Um those are things I want

2:04:56to share. Council member Patel.

2:05:00So if you go to the slide actually we

2:05:02are on 49. Um you have provided some

2:05:06numbers here. U parking signs kiosk

2:05:10small kiosk. So these are the estimated

2:05:12numbers of signs we'll need and the

2:05:15approximate cost.

2:05:17>> This is just for context. The the number

2:05:20of signs that you have listed. Oops.

2:05:22What happened to that? Can you pull me

2:05:25back up?

2:05:25>> Yeah, it's just a general count to get

2:05:27started looking at the maps and the

2:05:28information that we have to date. The

2:05:30next step is to actually plan with where

2:05:32everyone goes. Um but that's just so you

2:05:35saw like the parking signs. There were

2:05:37only four to six of those. We know it's

2:05:39not going to be 25, right? like the

2:05:40mayor just said. So they're just

2:05:42estimates at this point to give us a

2:05:44budget. If you came back and you said,

2:05:47"Look, we only have X amount." Um, then

2:05:50we would go back and look at these and

2:05:51say, "Okay, for that amount, these are

2:05:54the quantities that you should do to

2:05:56have an effective system.

2:05:57>> But the cost estimates you have

2:05:59provided, are they based on the

2:06:02estimated number of signs that you have

2:06:03listed?"

2:06:04>> Yes.

2:06:07And I'm sure some signs cost more than

2:06:09the other, but

2:06:10>> that's right. Yeah. You can't just

2:06:11divide you can't divide it. Like banners

2:06:13are $300 where a kiosk could be $12,000.

2:06:19So you can't just divide it by the

2:06:21quantity.

2:06:22>> But it would be helpful if we have that

2:06:23breakdown.

2:06:24>> Yeah. In

2:06:26>> the master plan, more detail, more

2:06:27refinement of that information.

2:06:30That's that next four step.

2:06:33>> Correct.

2:06:33>> But we thought a picture a contact

2:06:36really important at this point so you

2:06:38know where you're headed so we know what

2:06:40we're dealing with and how we could

2:06:41potentially fund it in the future. So we

2:06:43start thinking ahead.

2:06:46>> All right. Thank you.

2:06:47>> Mayor, any other questions?

2:06:50>> Could help me to know what a ve

2:06:51vehicular way finding sign is going to

2:06:53look like? What's an example of that?

2:06:56>> I'll go back. It's like what you have

2:06:58out there now. The blue signs.

2:07:00>> This one.

2:07:00>> Yeah. So that's just generically it's,

2:07:03you know, for high copy. So you can see

2:07:05So it's what you have now. Yeah, I think

2:07:06those are the most important ones.

2:07:08>> Yeah.

2:07:10>> Okay. Any other questions on the way

2:07:11finding signage discussion?

2:07:15>> Okay. I like the idea of having it right

2:07:17at our town borders. We just have the

2:07:19two monuments right now. It would be

2:07:20nice to have things from those points

2:07:22forward saying this is how you get to

2:07:25whatever we call it,

2:07:26>> right?

2:07:27>> Okay.

2:07:28>> So, let me jump real quickly into street

2:07:29naming. I just want to get you to think

2:07:31about this and get some some guidance

2:07:33from you because this is a long process.

2:07:36So in our street naming I outlined for

2:07:38you that Carolina Street in our view for

2:07:40a long time it's been envisioned as

2:07:42really that main street that's going

2:07:44into your town center area and that

2:07:48street you do have a partner thing who

2:07:51actually has and is working through

2:07:53permitting with an address that's on

2:07:55Carolina. So, I want to be transparent

2:07:57and clear. There is going to be impact

2:08:00if we were to change that street, but I

2:08:02wanted to check with council on what

2:08:05your preference is because of the fact

2:08:08that we know that it will be coming off

2:08:09of that traffic circle. Really, that

2:08:11main boulevard uh has been what it's

2:08:14been considered before. We have a great

2:08:16opportunity, I think, with Fox Club, the

2:08:19portion from Jeremiah to Town Hall

2:08:21Drive, and that one's very intentional

2:08:23for that segment is that it hugs the

2:08:26green. That's a that's a use there that

2:08:29that's really going to be creative,

2:08:30festive, and you have an opportunity to

2:08:33potentially rename that segment and kind

2:08:35of own it for what you know could

2:08:37potentially be on that walking area,

2:08:40that street area. You you designed it to

2:08:43be unique.

2:08:44The other section that we need to work

2:08:46on naming and getting into the process

2:08:48is the segment between uh this block

2:08:52here and this future block. There will

2:08:56be a street and we'll need to get that

2:08:58on the radar and be able to name that

2:09:00that street as well. Currently has no

2:09:02name. That one's the easiest one to do.

2:09:05We recommend both Jeremiah and Scoggins

2:09:07obviously for for obvious reasons.

2:09:10They're they're your grounding factors

2:09:11for history and we know how important

2:09:14history has been when we've discussed

2:09:16the goals and the vision for Town

2:09:18Center. So we would recommend those stay

2:09:21Carolina when we looked at that one

2:09:24there's no strong history behind the

2:09:27name Carolina Street. Now there is some

2:09:30interest in that Carolina North Carolina

2:09:33it's it's an important symbol of who we

2:09:37are in this state and it's nice had that

2:09:40name. We already own it. So, there's

2:09:43just thought around that.

2:09:46Uh, Town Wall Drive that has long since

2:09:50been there and it captures that civic

2:09:52connection

2:09:54uh for our town campus. So, it's another

2:09:56grounding street I'd say.

2:10:00Wake County, I gave you just a idea here

2:10:02and I went into more detail on the FAQs

2:10:05of the process and Wake County is the

2:10:07vehicle or the authority that we have to

2:10:09go through and we're going to have to

2:10:11give at least three different options

2:10:13and they have to be somewhat variable

2:10:16and they have to be positive. They

2:10:18should represent the uses of the area.

2:10:21If we decide to go down a route of

2:10:22naming streets or renaming streets in

2:10:24this case, there's a process and it's

2:10:27about two to three months.

2:10:30I wanted to give you some idea in our

2:10:33feedback of some names that floated to

2:10:35the surface and I preliminarily went

2:10:38through and bucketed these into themes

2:10:41they potentially represented. And you

2:10:44could choose any one of these uh that we

2:10:47would like to move forward or not uh for

2:10:49the future. This just gives you an idea

2:10:51of what people were saying to us when we

2:10:54asked the question.

2:10:57I went through and preliminarily

2:10:59evaluated were they even available. So

2:11:01these are the ones through Wake County

2:11:03that are potentially available.

2:11:07So what feedback I need from you tonight

2:11:10is really to see that you're in

2:11:12agreement with leaving Jeremiah and

2:11:14Scoggins. I think I immediately started

2:11:17seeing some head nods when I was

2:11:18speaking just a minute ago. So, I'm just

2:11:20going to pause there. You can raise your

2:11:22hand if that's easy enough. It's just

2:11:25guidance tonight to get us to move

2:11:26forward in the right direction.

2:11:27>> Okay, we have a couple of people who

2:11:29wanted to give thoughts and then maybe

2:11:30we can just go down the line at that

2:11:32point. Um, I saw Council Member Scar

2:11:34Johnson first followed by Morati.

2:11:37>> So, I'm going to be Captain Obvious

2:11:39right now and I really think we should

2:11:42keep Scoggins Avenue for a um

2:11:46because of the historical significance.

2:11:48But Jeremiah Street, I think definitely

2:11:51um that was intended to be within the

2:11:55town center when it was designed 20 plus

2:11:57years ago and we should um keep to that

2:12:00spirit.

2:12:01>> Um

2:12:04uh as far as naming of streets, I just

2:12:06want to be clear. Are you asking us for

2:12:09a single street or are you asking us

2:12:13because the way that we're looking at

2:12:16this, is there a multiple streets that

2:12:18need names or just one street that we're

2:12:21discussing tonight?

2:12:23>> Technically, there is one street that

2:12:25does not have a name and that will be

2:12:28this future segment here. I am asking

2:12:31council, do you want to keep Carolina? I

2:12:35think it's fair to clarify, ask and move

2:12:38on if that's the case. That certainly

2:12:41allows SAM to do their marketing and

2:12:44they are more than ready to move forward

2:12:45on marketing for for their facility

2:12:47that's that's addressed off of that off

2:12:49of Carolina.

2:12:50>> I understand. So, and Fox is the other

2:12:53one the segment of Fox.

2:12:55>> But you want to just do the first

2:12:56question first and get that. So what I'm

2:12:59trying to understand is

2:13:03[snorts] Carolina Street if we rename it

2:13:07then that will be one name.

2:13:10>> If we have the street without a name

2:13:13that's two names. Is that correct?

2:13:16Correct.

2:13:16>> So what we're really discussing tonight

2:13:19is not you know it it's possible two

2:13:23names. Um, so we have to look at this

2:13:27from a collection of names. If we keep

2:13:30Jeremiah and Scoggins and there possibly

2:13:33two more names, although Wake County

2:13:36wants three names so in case blah blah

2:13:38blah. But council needs to say, okay,

2:13:41looking at slide number which was it was

2:13:46it 54 on the Yeah, the menu of street

2:13:50names. We should actually, you know,

2:13:53make some two or three that we like that

2:13:57would go together, right, as a

2:13:59collection because, you know, I like

2:14:01Connection Lane because live connected

2:14:03live well, right? That's kind of cool. I

2:14:06also like Morrisville Crossing because

2:14:08that's also a connection kind of um,

2:14:13you know, thing. But would Morrisville

2:14:15Crossing and Connection Lane be

2:14:18confusing? you know, can we have both or

2:14:21should we have another compliment? So,

2:14:23I'm not going to answer that right now,

2:14:25but those are the two that I like, but I

2:14:26think that when if we decide that we are

2:14:30going to do two streets versus one,

2:14:33meaning Carolina goes away, we need to

2:14:35think about how that all looks and works

2:14:37together

2:14:38>> for for just talking to people on the

2:14:41street, go over here to blah blah blah,

2:14:44you know, that kind of

2:14:45>> and Wake County does help you balance a

2:14:48little bit of that in their process and

2:14:50and more so how it fits even if there's

2:14:53too much of something crossing across

2:14:56Wake County. They want to make sure

2:14:57there's uniqueness because of emergency

2:15:00response does not need to be confusing.

2:15:03>> Right. But I was also thinking crossing

2:15:05and connection are too similar.

2:15:06>> Too similar. Yeah.

2:15:08>> For just our own, you know, proximity.

2:15:11Thank you.

2:15:12>> Good feedback. Thank you.

2:15:14Let's do Mayor Pati and then we'll just

2:15:16work our way down the line because

2:15:18council member Patel is next.

2:15:22>> Yeah, I I agree. I don't want to run

2:15:24into another aviation and airport

2:15:26situation where um I I would heir on the

2:15:31side of not renaming anything we don't

2:15:34need to rename. Okay.

2:15:36>> Right. I mean, we need a name for a new

2:15:38road segment. I I propose we we do that

2:15:44and move on with our lives. I don't if

2:15:46there was a if there was a compelling

2:15:48reason to rename Fox Glove the Fox Glove

2:15:52Street section,

2:15:54I mean, I guess I would take a look at

2:15:56that, but I just don't think there is.

2:15:58And to be perfectly honest with you, I I

2:16:01think that all the celebration and

2:16:04culture names are

2:16:06are

2:16:10>> Yes. Thank you. They're they're just so

2:16:13cutesy and like I I don't like any of

2:16:17them. And I actually feel the same about

2:16:20most of the Innovation and Commerce

2:16:22ones. I mean, the I'm not sure that you

2:16:24can name a street that we just built

2:16:27yesterday,

2:16:29Heritage Boulevard or historic,

2:16:31anything. But I do like Morrisville

2:16:33Station Loop quite a bit.

2:16:35>> Morrisville Station Loop.

2:16:36>> Morrisville Station. Yeah, I really like

2:16:38that one. Um, but yeah, I like a lot of

2:16:41these I just I just feel like it like

2:16:45it's it's kind of trying too hard. Like

2:16:47we're just kind of doing too much there,

2:16:49you know.

2:16:50>> Thank you. That's great feedback.

2:16:52>> So definitely Jeremiah and Scott stay

2:16:54the same for sure.

2:16:55>> Yeah.

2:16:55>> Okay. Uh, Council Member Patel and then

2:16:57Council Member Johnson then me.

2:17:02>> So I would agree with Mayor Proan. uh if

2:17:06there is no comparative reason to rename

2:17:08the existing streets

2:17:11>> I'm good just the one street that we we

2:17:14have to name

2:17:17I like the Morrisville station but I

2:17:19don't know the the worst station how

2:17:22does that fit in but I I like

2:17:26Morrisville crossing or Morris center

2:17:28drive

2:17:35Thank you, sir.

2:17:36>> Council member Johnson, please. Then

2:17:37myself.

2:17:39>> So, I'm I'm not in uh I am in favor of

2:17:42keeping um

2:17:46Jeremiah and Scrogggins. I am not in

2:17:48favor of changing Carolina. Aren't there

2:17:52town houses on the other end of Carolina

2:17:55off of Church Street?

2:17:58I do not think they're addressed. I

2:18:01think they're facing a different

2:18:02roadway. Okay. But I I'll double check

2:18:04to be sure, but I did look at it and

2:18:06right now not the visuals coming

2:18:08>> and I looked at Google Maps and of

2:18:10course it doesn't have a current. You're

2:18:12probably right, Jamie. You're probably

2:18:14right. But but there's Carolina Street

2:18:16on the other side that does have um you

2:18:20know on the other side of the circle.

2:18:22Correct. And so I I I like keeping

2:18:26street names. I keep

2:18:28>> I don't That bothers me when it changes

2:18:31names. So I would keep Carolina. Um the

2:18:36only and I heard you with the new

2:18:38section of Fox Glove. Um you're you're

2:18:42saying that road that would hug the

2:18:44park. There's the potential to name that

2:18:47something else.

2:18:48>> I you know Fox Club would not be my

2:18:51first choice. um on that little section

2:18:54of the road. But then again, that's what

2:18:56the road name is. So, I think I would be

2:18:59in favor of keeping that. But, you know,

2:19:02we often you see roads that have like a

2:19:06subname, you know, it it might be um

2:19:09Fifth Avenue, but it's named after, you

2:19:12know, Jack Smith or, you know, Bob Smith

2:19:15or whatever. So, I mean, I think we have

2:19:17a potential of naming that section

2:19:20something else or referring to it as

2:19:22something else if we want to, but I'm

2:19:25almost of the um

2:19:28you know, just leave it as Fox Glove. I

2:19:30think again that you you're changing

2:19:32names and the road continues and that

2:19:35doesn't really make a whole lot of

2:19:37sense. And was that those were all your

2:19:39questions, right? Yeah. And as far as a

2:19:41new name, um, I appreciate all the

2:19:45input. Um, I'm not sure I like any of

2:19:47these names on this chart, quite

2:19:49frankly. Um, I I and I hear the

2:19:53Morsville station loop.

2:19:55Morsville station. This doesn't fit

2:19:58here.

2:20:00That's not where the train station used

2:20:02to be. That's not where any future train

2:20:04station will be. And I think there's

2:20:06another development, isn't there? the

2:20:08development off of 54 is actually called

2:20:11Morrisville Station. Um, so I I I'm not

2:20:15sure if you want to call Morrisville

2:20:16Loop maybe, but I I'm I'm I'm not sure

2:20:19if these are jumping out any of them are

2:20:22really jumping out at me and I I

2:20:24apologize to all those who gave great

2:20:26input. Um, but um I'm not sure I I would

2:20:31choose any of these right now.

2:20:33>> That in of itself is very good feedback.

2:20:35I appreciate that. There were a lot of

2:20:37in there was a lot of input. Yes. They

2:20:39had to go to the filter of Wake County.

2:20:41These are the ones that kind of rose to

2:20:43that.

2:20:44>> Yes, sir.

2:20:45>> So, for number one, keeping Jeremiah and

2:20:47Scoggins. I'm in favor of doing that.

2:20:49Um, Carolina Street will be the main

2:20:52street. So, I'd like to change it to

2:20:55something useful and unique for us.

2:20:58Maybe a Morrisville way, something like

2:21:00that.

2:21:02>> Yeah, definitely. um at the

2:21:05um All America City they talked so much

2:21:08about the Chelsea way. So I think we can

2:21:11make the Morrisville way a thing also

2:21:13because internally we talk about the

2:21:15Morrisville way of doing things is

2:21:17different. It's a higher level. It's

2:21:20accountable. Um I think that's part of

2:21:22our culture.

2:21:23>> Um Fox is I've never understood why that

2:21:27exists as a name. Um, I would love to

2:21:30change that to pretty much anything

2:21:32else, especially in that little section.

2:21:34Maybe uh call it boutique way or college

2:21:37retail, cottage retail way, something

2:21:39descriptive. Um, because that's really

2:21:42what that border is. Shopping way. You

2:21:45could do something clever with way. I

2:21:48know Carrie has awesome street and

2:21:50things like that. That's taken

2:21:51unfortunately, but I don't mind being a

2:21:54little cutesy. I'm not really in favor

2:21:56of anything that I'm reading on the

2:21:58chart, though.

2:21:59>> Okay.

2:22:00>> Thank you.

2:22:03>> Yeah. So, I'm I'm in favor of changing

2:22:05things um and starting from scratch

2:22:09essentially for some of those things

2:22:11except for Jeremiah and Scoggins, which

2:22:12I think are important in town um town

2:22:15hall drive stays the same. Also, um

2:22:18moving down, we've heard from Petraati.

2:22:20I think you did you only weigh in on the

2:22:23number one or do you feel like you did

2:22:24everything? Council member Garamela.

2:22:28>> Yeah, I keep Jeremiah and that's

2:22:33perfectly fine. Carolina I think usually

2:22:37I don't write on the Facebook and I did

2:22:39write Mars Bay U because something

2:22:42unique to that street. I don't know. So

2:22:49I think

2:22:51does more way look genuine or like you

2:22:54know

2:22:56>> Yeah, but that's way this just

2:23:03>> Let staff help you with that. I would

2:23:05say there is a lot of similarity there

2:23:07with to an existing road that's in town.

2:23:10If if there's an interest, I think

2:23:12that's the overarching core question. If

2:23:15there's an interest to change it, then I

2:23:18think we can work with you on names

2:23:20>> and uh then

2:23:23>> council member, will you speak more?

2:23:26>> Yeah, sure. It is on.

2:23:27>> No, we bring it closer.

2:23:31>> Um, what else do you want? Like

2:23:35>> Fox glove. Is there an interest in

2:23:37changing the segment?

2:23:39I think we can change it because this

2:23:42necessarily does not mean because a

2:23:43street is there it has to continue this

2:23:46side because it's completely too

2:23:48different. Uh we have seen that with

2:23:50Carolina Street on the other side. They

2:23:52don't follow through. They use it a

2:23:54different street. You know, it's Marcel

2:23:56Carpenter and then aviation which

2:23:59streets change at intersection all the

2:24:01time. So if there's anything that adds

2:24:03value to our downtown center, I think

2:24:08it's worth changing it.

2:24:13>> Thank you, sir.

2:24:15>> Council me, please.

2:24:18Uh, keep Jeremiah and Scoggins.

2:24:22Um,

2:24:24with Carolina Street, I I do like

2:24:28keeping it. Um,

2:24:33that's only because I've not thought of

2:24:35anything better.

2:24:37Um, I think that's I mean, it's the best

2:24:39name that I can think of for um, this

2:24:42particular street at the moment. Um, fox

2:24:45glove, however, um, I'd like to point

2:24:47out that, uh, fox glove is a flower

2:24:50that's native to Europe and not North

2:24:53America. Um, so I think that is reason

2:24:56enough, uh, to change. It doesn't have

2:24:58to be any other flower name. Um,

2:25:03bad omen, you could say, bad omen, you

2:25:06could say.

2:25:08Um, mayor body was saying that fox is

2:25:11also a deadly poison.

2:25:15Uh but I um

2:25:20referencing back on the comments that I

2:25:21made earlier about you know

2:25:22incorporating butterflies into the into

2:25:24the branding and then we have the icons

2:25:25pointing to um town center. Uh if it's

2:25:29called butterfly lane that's I think

2:25:32that's a novel um idea. I know it's

2:25:34cutesy and um whatnot. But I also I'm

2:25:37thinking about uh I'm happy that the

2:25:39Western White Farmers Market came here

2:25:41tonight because I'm thinking about them

2:25:43when I'm thinking about the name of this

2:25:45street um as well. And I mean they'd be

2:25:48tickled pink to be on Butterfly Lane. Um

2:25:51either that or you know a Market Street,

2:25:53something like that, Market Way. Um I do

2:25:58like the historic names or the heritage

2:26:01names. Um, I don't know if it's

2:26:04necessarily

2:26:06this area.

2:26:08Um, I maybe I'm just um

2:26:15nostalgic, I guess, for history, I

2:26:18suppose. Um, and since this is

2:26:22you could say the start of the history

2:26:24of this thing, it's a little it's it is

2:26:28kind of funny. say put it's a slap of

2:26:29historic name on a new place like this.

2:26:32Um it's kind of the inauthentic uh kind

2:26:36of thing that I was talking about

2:26:37earlier, but I still like those names.

2:26:39Um I do think that the other two

2:26:40categories aside from the butterfly

2:26:42lane, I just think that's that's I think

2:26:44it, you know, lean into our icon um you

2:26:47know what we're trying to do here in

2:26:48Morrisville. I think that makes a lot of

2:26:50sense. Um, but at least the other two

2:26:53columns. Um, yeah, it's kind of

2:26:56I'll I'll I'm gonna probably start using

2:26:59this more and more if I don't for

2:27:01specific things. Mick Morrisville,

2:27:03right? Um, an authentic kind of way. Um,

2:27:06I mean, what were the names like

2:27:08Innovation Way and um could we go back a

2:27:12slide?

2:27:14>> Yeah. Innovation Drive, Prosperity Lane,

2:27:17Discovery Lane.

2:27:20I don't know. It's that's not they're

2:27:21not speaking to me. Unity way, gathering

2:27:23way, they're just not speaking to me.

2:27:26Not speaking to me. I mean, they're

2:27:27definitely not speaking to me, but the

2:27:29historic heritage is having an effect, I

2:27:32suppose you could say.

2:27:35>> But, you know, my eye went to Butterfly

2:27:36Lane as well, so I like that one.

2:27:39>> Thank you.

2:27:41>> Mayor Petra, I think,

2:27:44>> I had one other thought. Um, ideally is

2:27:47it is our main street, but we can't call

2:27:49it that because Wake County has another

2:27:51main street somewhere, right?

2:27:52>> So, we could call it Morrisville Main

2:27:54Street.

2:27:56That's different than Morrisville Way or

2:27:57Morrisville Parkway. So, that's just

2:27:59something to throw out instead of

2:28:01Carolina.

2:28:02>> Okay. So, I'm going to just try to see

2:28:05if I can come up with a consensus. This

2:28:07will going to be hard.

2:28:09>> Uh, just can I like to recognize Council

2:28:11Member Patel first?

2:28:12>> Oh, yes, sir. I did not see his card.

2:28:15Mr.

2:28:16>> One quick question I just brought up. Uh

2:28:19besides the cost of the signs, are there

2:28:22any other costs associated with street

2:28:25name changes?

2:28:26>> Yes, there's costs associated with

2:28:28renaming it. Um I don't have the cost

2:28:31off the top of my head, but I can

2:28:32certainly put that in the FAQ for the

2:28:34next time that it would be a part of the

2:28:36branding process that we would

2:28:38incorporate that.

2:28:40>> Okay.

2:28:41You're not talking about too many

2:28:43blades, by the way. It's just one on

2:28:46either end.

2:28:48>> No, I was talking about besides the

2:28:50street signs, are there any other costs

2:28:52associated with

2:28:54>> like just admin fee or something?

2:28:56>> Yes.

2:28:57>> Like an administrative fee to change it

2:28:59is what he's asking.

2:29:01>> Okay. Okay.

2:29:05>> Back to you, too.

2:29:06>> Back to me. All right. I'm gonna Oh,

2:29:08y'all have really talked this one. I

2:29:10didn't realize you'd be this excited

2:29:11about it, but I'm happy. [laughter]

2:29:14So, just to summarize what I think I

2:29:16heard, and please correct me. You will

2:29:18not offend me if I get this wrong, but

2:29:21you are all kind of all over the place

2:29:23here. What I think I heard definitively

2:29:26is that we'll keep Jeremiah and

2:29:28Scrogggin Scenson.

2:29:30She like that Freudian slip there.

2:29:33[laughter] Did that earn me extra

2:29:34points?

2:29:36>> It's a really long sign.

2:29:37>> Yeah, I I did a consensus or or maybe a

2:29:41stronger preference from many that

2:29:43thought there's no reason to change a

2:29:45name if we have a name and there is a

2:29:48process it would disrupt maybe some

2:29:50folks maybe our partner in this case so

2:29:53for me I'm not seeing a consensus on

2:29:55Carolina or hearing a consensus really

2:29:58on Carolina I'm hearing maybe more of a

2:30:01preference or interest in considering

2:30:04obviously the new street that's a piece

2:30:06of cake we can worry with that But Fox

2:30:09glove, I do hear there's an interest in

2:30:11maybe considering that one further. So I

2:30:14think with the new street name and Fox

2:30:17Glove that staff could bring an item

2:30:20back to start a process and do more work

2:30:23with the community on on suggested names

2:30:27and what that application would look

2:30:28like to Wake County. Did I capture that?

2:30:31Fair enough. Thumbs up.

2:30:34Awesome.

2:30:35Thank you all very very much. I want to

2:30:37thank John for all of his work and

2:30:39effort that got us here this far. We'll

2:30:41bring more information back to you. Lots

2:30:44of good input.

2:30:45>> One step.

2:30:46>> Yes, we tried some things on. That's

2:30:48what this is all about and and move us

2:30:51forward with input. So, thank you again.

2:30:53>> Thank you.

2:30:55>> Thank you very much. Good work. So, at

2:30:57this time we are scheduled for a

2:30:5915minute break. So, let's go ahead and

2:31:02do that. Let's please reconvene at 8:33.

2:49:30Okay,

2:49:32>> we're going to come back into session at

2:49:34this time. I'd like to invite Sydney

2:49:35King, Parks and Recreation, Cultural

2:49:37Resources Director, to the podium. There

2:49:39she is. Parks and Recck Month. We love

2:49:42that. All yours. Thank you, mayor. Thank

2:49:46you, council. I'm delighted to share a

2:49:48story with you tonight about a

2:49:50department called Parks, Recreation, and

2:49:53Cultural Resources.

2:49:55As you know, July has been dedicated to

2:49:58celebrating Park and Recck Month. And

2:50:00throughout these weeks, we've

2:50:01highlighted the transformative power of

2:50:04parks by introducing a new activity each

2:50:07week and connecting with our citizens in

2:50:08different ways.

2:50:10I appreciate those of you who have been

2:50:12able to make it out to some of our

2:50:13events. One of my favorites last was

2:50:16last week when we transformed a small

2:50:18piece of grass area at MCP to a kindness

2:50:22garden. We had about 60 folks come out

2:50:25and paint a rock or two to share in a

2:50:27garden. And the next day, I heard there

2:50:31were several admiring the newly laid

2:50:34garden. If you haven't been by there,

2:50:36please check it out and take a pe piece

2:50:39of inspiration with you. As I prepared

2:50:42this presentation and continued to

2:50:45review the information that was put into

2:50:48it, I found myself reflecting not just

2:50:50on the data, but on the dedicated staff

2:50:54who bring these numbers to life. It's

2:50:57their creativity,

2:50:59their planning, and their execution that

2:51:03make our programs and initiatives

2:51:06possible. So, before I get started, a

2:51:10huge thank you to our parks, recreation,

2:51:13and cultural resources staff right here

2:51:15in the green shirts.

2:51:21We are certainly lucky to have this

2:51:24group of individuals on our Morrisville

2:51:26team.

2:51:28Also, I will be asking a few of the team

2:51:30members to assist with questions at the

2:51:32end as needed. So, if you'll hold your

2:51:34questions until the end, if I need them

2:51:36to come up, I'll call them up. So, I've

2:51:38been with the town just over two years

2:51:40with the last eight months serving as

2:51:42your director. When I came on board, I

2:51:45quickly realized we weren't collecting

2:51:48the data to share our story

2:51:50rhythmically. So, we began running

2:51:52reports and collecting data on a monthly

2:51:54basis. We continued to make tweaks and

2:51:58learn different elements of our software

2:52:00system, active, but I knew it would take

2:52:03about two years before we were able to

2:52:06produce the comparisons and the

2:52:08information that I'm about to share with

2:52:09you. While we still have some work to do

2:52:12to determine which reports are best to

2:52:15use and if we're directing information

2:52:17to the correct GL accounts in Munas, I

2:52:20can confidently say that we are moving

2:52:23in the right direction. So now I will

2:52:26begin our story of the Morrisville Parks

2:52:29Recreation and Culture Resources

2:52:31Department.

2:52:33I will be covering five divisions in

2:52:35this presentation. They are outlined,

2:52:38the divisions are outlined in the orange

2:52:41of this org chart. One of the changes we

2:52:44recently made in this org chart was made

2:52:47with Leslie Haney, our special events

2:52:50manager, who now reports to Megan Young,

2:52:53our assistant director.

2:52:55This change aligned all divisions across

2:52:57the board reporting directly to Megan. I

2:53:01also want to mention that each division

2:53:03has part-time staff as well as

2:53:05instructors that would fall at the

2:53:07bottom of the org chart. They play an

2:53:09integral part of our daily operations,

2:53:12but we just ran out ran out of space to

2:53:14show everyone on this org chart.

2:53:16[clears throat] I'll move into the

2:53:18divisions starting with special events.

2:53:21I'd like to recognize Leslie Haney who

2:53:24is with us here tonight. We all love our

2:53:28events and while numbers looked a bit a

2:53:31little bit similar in 2025 versus 2026

2:53:35to do any comparisons. Instead, we

2:53:38wanted to share the highlights of 2026.

2:53:42We had approximately 18,800

2:53:46event attendees this past fiscal year at

2:53:5019 events with the Eid night bazaar

2:53:53market being a new addition. That event

2:53:56alone brought in close to 400 unexpected

2:54:00attendees. We were not expecting that

2:54:02many people to come out to that night

2:54:03market. In FY25,

2:54:06we reimagined June 10 Junth and

2:54:10Springfest and in doing so really

2:54:12enhanced the quality and depth of both

2:54:14of those events.

2:54:16We will continue evaluating all of our

2:54:18events to determine if modification

2:54:20modifications are needed. We also added

2:54:23two part-time assistants to the uh to

2:54:26the special events team. And this has

2:54:28helped cut down on full-time staff

2:54:29working events as well as provided

2:54:31consistency with our staff for training

2:54:33purposes as well as an overall

2:54:36understanding of what needs to be done

2:54:38at our events. In 2025, we had only

2:54:42programmed one cultural resource

2:54:44program, but in 2026, staff up that to

2:54:48seven. The additions included programs

2:54:51such as Espresso Reads, which was

2:54:52offered twice, MLK and Black History

2:54:55Month celebrations, and brushes,

2:54:57beverages, and Blooms, just to name a

2:54:59few. Staff will continue looking for

2:55:01opportunities and watching trends in

2:55:03these areas. And lastly, she's not here

2:55:06to celebrate her, but a big congrats to

2:55:09Courtney Coley for obtaining her

2:55:11national certification for parks

2:55:12recreation professionals. So,

2:55:14congratulations, Courtney. Later, we'll

2:55:17talk a little more about events once we

2:55:19get to our town center discussion later

2:55:20in the slides. Next is our recreation

2:55:24division with Cedarport Community

2:55:26Center. CFCC has seen a strong growth in

2:55:30revenue as you can see programming and

2:55:32increase in residents participating in

2:55:34the programs offered. This team led by

2:55:37Will Deers who is with us tonight. As

2:55:40you can see, programming alone has

2:55:42skyrocketed with the team working with

2:55:44eight additional structures just over

2:55:46the past year. This change came with us

2:55:48taking over ownership of the programs

2:55:50that we were currently that were

2:55:52currently held at the facility like

2:55:53Bollywood dance, archery, and music

2:55:56programs that already existed. We took

2:55:58over the registration and can now

2:56:00identify residents versus non-residents.

2:56:03We work directly with our instructors on

2:56:06the schedule making sure what be works

2:56:09works best for the facility. Staff have

2:56:12added programs such as hiphop dance,

2:56:13preschool youth, and expanded teen

2:56:15dance, robo, gear shifters, and

2:56:18wakaboomi. STEM programs have also been

2:56:20popular, as well as 3D printing and AI

2:56:23coding. Last year, the team not only

2:56:26programmed nine weeks of full day camp,

2:56:28they also added several weeks of

2:56:30half-day specialty camps. the same for

2:56:33this year, but the half-day camps proved

2:56:36to be more popular this year with Kdoc

2:56:38Kinetics,

2:56:40Robo Think and Gear Shifters there. This

2:56:43group is also dipping their toes into

2:56:45some smaller program events such as

2:56:47Motherdaughter Te, which was offered for

2:56:49the first time in 2025 with 12

2:56:52participants and this year they doubled

2:56:54their numbers. So, it's quite a cute

2:56:56fit. This year they um excuse me also

2:56:59wanted to touch on weight list

2:57:01specifically for summer camp. At one

2:57:04point this summer we had right about 200

2:57:08people on the wait list and the staff

2:57:10have been able to whittle that down to

2:57:12just over 80. Staff continue looking at

2:57:15opportunities to grow here but space and

2:57:17staffing are contributing factors that

2:57:19prohibit us to expand much more. You

2:57:22will see the highlights at the bottom of

2:57:23the slide that are quite impressive.

2:57:26This team continues to look for growth

2:57:28opportunities by watching trends and

2:57:30surveying our citizens to understand

2:57:32what they would like to see next. And

2:57:34you'll see at the bottom of the slide

2:57:37572 hours of camp offered, 247%

2:57:41increase in programs offered, 770%

2:57:44increase in resident partic participant

2:57:47program participation, and like I

2:57:49mentioned earlier, 11 contracts added to

2:57:51expand programs.

2:57:53Moving on to MFC. First, let me just say

2:57:58the staff at this facility continues to

2:58:00amaze me in their creative aspects to

2:58:02add more stuff even when the house is

2:58:05packed. We are busting at the seams and

2:58:08they use their creative elements and

2:58:10powers to bring more to the facility.

2:58:12This team is led by Mark Cassich who

2:58:15couldn't be with us tonight. We have

2:58:16Casey Martin, Pina,

2:58:19and Emily Ham. I'm going to start off

2:58:22with aquatics.

2:58:24You will see too they had an increase in

2:58:26revenue which was about 25% and also at

2:58:3025% in programs. One of the most recent

2:58:33additions was collaborating with Gigi's

2:58:35Playhouse to offer swim lessons to

2:58:38individuals with Down syndrome. This

2:58:41program along with increasing the

2:58:42numbers of lessons offered by 50%

2:58:45contributed to increased revenue and

2:58:47programs. Also, I wanted to highlight

2:58:50yet another professional certification

2:58:52that was obtained by our very own Casey

2:58:54Martin, who's here with us tonight, who

2:58:56completed the American Red Cross

2:58:58Lifeguard Instructor Academy. This is

2:59:01not an easy feat. So, congrats to Casey.

2:59:05On the other side of MFC House, we have

2:59:08the fitness component. And once again,

2:59:11they have risen to the top when it comes

2:59:13to offering programs. We have feebased

2:59:16programs for anyone who would like to

2:59:17register without being a member. And

2:59:19then we have our programs included

2:59:21within the membership. For the feebased

2:59:24programs, you will notice revenue

2:59:26increased 43 and and a half% with

2:59:28programs offered increasing 64%.

2:59:32Some of the new programs included

2:59:34personal training one-on-one and one-on-

2:59:36two, pickle ball clinics, and leagues.

2:59:38In looking at our membershipbased

2:59:40program, staff have found creative ways

2:59:44To continue increasing the popular

2:59:46programs that have had weight lists,

2:59:49staff put out a survey and specific

2:59:51classes were added based on that

2:59:53feedback. For instance, offering Sunday

2:59:55classes and adding to the ever so

2:59:57popular water aerobics classes are just

2:59:59an example. This has helped to offset

3:00:02demand, but we are at capacity

3:00:04nonetheless. One of the most recent

3:00:06modifications that was made to help our

3:00:10residents was that they can register 24

3:00:13hours ahead of the non-residents for the

3:00:14membership based programs. So, this has

3:00:16helped tremendously and that's through

3:00:18our UPACE program uh upper system.

3:00:23Moving into memberships, you will see

3:00:25from FY25 to FY26, we increased revenue

3:00:2911% with visits going up 9%. From the

3:00:32previous page, we did see our paid

3:00:34programs go up 65%. And I mentioned that

3:00:37one of the highlights was our personal

3:00:39training edition.

3:00:42[clears throat]

3:00:43I would like to talk a little bit about

3:00:44the insurancebased membership. Over the

3:00:46past number of years, MEFC has accepted

3:00:49insurance companies as a perk for some

3:00:50of our patrons. You will see on the

3:00:53left, we primarily dealt with Tivity,

3:00:55Optimum, and Ash. Within each three with

3:00:58within each there could be different

3:01:00programs that the policy covers such as

3:01:03silver sneakers which is one that falls

3:01:05under the tivity prime fitness. Also

3:01:08when working with these insurance

3:01:09companies they are not offsetting the

3:01:12full cost of yearly membership or even a

3:01:13full month membership. For instance, one

3:01:15company only pays us $20 for the month

3:01:18while a month adult paid full in full is

3:01:21$40.

3:01:22And some companies only pay per visit

3:01:24with a 10 visit cap.

3:01:26We have members that come way more than

3:01:2810 visits. You may say, well, just allow

3:01:31them to come only to 10 visits. And

3:01:33that's where the staff time comes into

3:01:35play with the reconciling of the

3:01:37accounts. I do want to recognize Pina

3:01:39Canaoria. She is the staff person behind

3:01:42the reconciliation each month for the

3:01:44insurance. She spends a lot of time on

3:01:46that each at the beginning of each

3:01:48month. This can be a very taxing

3:01:50process, making sure the numbers match,

3:01:53making sure we get paid, etc. So thank

3:01:55you Pina.

3:01:58You will see the right we did some area

3:02:00facility comparisons. Most

3:02:02municipalities do not accept insurance

3:02:04because of the overload of staff time.

3:02:07The private entities accept some of the

3:02:09insurance but this varies from month to

3:02:11month. One month they may decide to stop

3:02:12taking it and [clears throat] they also

3:02:15often have a third party to reconcile

3:02:17the insurance side. So the money side of

3:02:19things which takes quite a bit of staff

3:02:22time to send in some info out so that we

3:02:24can get paid. Some of the background on

3:02:26what impacts we experience in dealing

3:02:29with insurancebased memberships. So a

3:02:32little back background here the

3:02:34operational and financial impacts.

3:02:38Sorry I lost my place.

3:02:43The average weight list of is 270 per

3:02:47month for group fitness classes. 270

3:02:50people are on our weight list per month.

3:02:51That's a lot. Demand continues to rise.

3:02:55Limited capacity. Frequent adjustments

3:02:58to class schedules and capacities are

3:03:00needed to just manage the demand. As of

3:03:03January 2026, we did stop accepting new

3:03:07non-resident insurance memberships just

3:03:09to help with those numbers.

3:03:13You will see the number of memberships

3:03:14broking out to the right. So you have

3:03:16your resident adult, resident senior,

3:03:18non-resident adult, non-resident senior,

3:03:21and the total of the insurance

3:03:23membership types totals about 529. And

3:03:26this does vary from month to month just

3:03:27based on people signing up for the

3:03:29insurance.

3:03:31[clears throat]

3:03:32Therefore, with the new lens we have put

3:03:34on the operations of MEFC over the past

3:03:36year, we're at the point where the

3:03:38following changes will be made beginning

3:03:40January 2027.

3:03:42We will conclude all insurance programs

3:03:45on December 1st, excuse me, 31st, 2026.

3:03:49Senior residents will be eligible to

3:03:51apply for NeighborUp scholarship, which

3:03:53we're putting into place along with um

3:03:56our youth scholarship as well. We we

3:04:00will be offering a 20% discount off the

3:04:03annual memberships during the we do an

3:04:05annual uh discount in January. So we're

3:04:08adding another 10% to that. And this is

3:04:10going to be for our senior population

3:04:13only, senior residents.

3:04:16So I would like to end MAFC portion with

3:04:20a splash. Birthday parties. you will see

3:04:23the growth in these parties and we just

3:04:26hit a thousand guests at one of the most

3:04:28recent parties back in June. So you'll

3:04:31see the revenue increase, the parties

3:04:33increased and the total guest increased.

3:04:37So on to the seniors. As you all know,

3:04:41there's a lot going on at the senior

3:04:43center. Laura Crumpler, who's with us

3:04:45here tonight, has done an incredible job

3:04:49taking [clears throat] this facility to

3:04:51the next level. You will see the revenue

3:04:53numbers increase 48%.

3:04:56Number of programs increasing 55%.

3:04:59Programs such as Harvest Fest and

3:05:01National Popcorn Day as well as crafty

3:05:04connections have been popular along with

3:05:07the increase of education and fitness

3:05:09programs contributing to that 55%

3:05:12increase.

3:05:14As you recall, we added the non-resident

3:05:17membership in January, and that alone

3:05:19brought in just over 10,000 dollars with

3:05:22125 memberships sold. Another highlight

3:05:25to add on a professional development

3:05:27side of things, Lara will be finishing

3:05:29up supervisors management school in

3:05:31November. This program is offered

3:05:33through the National Recreation Parks

3:05:35Association and is a two-year program.

3:05:38So, congrats, Laura.

3:05:43Batterup Athletics. I'd like to

3:05:46recognize Brian Ray who oversees this

3:05:48division along with Matt Morris and

3:05:50Brenda Boyd who who I think they Brenda

3:05:53just had to step out who provide quality

3:05:56program in this area. For program

3:05:58revenue, you will see a 17% increase

3:06:01coming from a 48%

3:06:04increase of programs. Some of those

3:06:06additions include a winter sports camp

3:06:08that was offered at C CFCC that was very

3:06:10wellreceived by our citizens, flag

3:06:12football, and various clinics and other

3:06:14camps. You can see by the numbers the

3:06:17residents are taking advantage of these

3:06:19programs with an increase of 31% of our

3:06:21residents. I'd like to highlight the

3:06:245,000 coach volunteer hours that are put

3:06:26into baseball, basketball, volleyball,

3:06:29and flag football. We definitely

3:06:32couldn't operate without these valuable

3:06:34folks.

3:06:35I do want to mention that we had just

3:06:37over 150 folks weight listed in the

3:06:41various sports. The staff have done a

3:06:44tremendous job in trying to accommodate

3:06:46this the weight list by adding one to

3:06:48two more participants onto a team. Space

3:06:51continues to be a factor for growth when

3:06:53we look at adding additional teams.

3:06:57[clears throat]

3:06:59[cough]

3:07:02Athletic field rentals. We have some

3:07:04incredible rental facilities as we all

3:07:06know. However, we saw a decrease in FY26

3:07:10on the revenue side of things. We

3:07:12continue to dissect these numbers and

3:07:14factors to determine the decrease. We do

3:07:17know that a couple of our non-resident

3:07:20nonprofit organizations refiled with the

3:07:23Secretary of State, making them a a

3:07:26resident, and one group alone by doing

3:07:28so decreased their rental cost by

3:07:30approximately $40,000. So that played a

3:07:32big factor. Again, this is something

3:07:34we've been tracking and will continue to

3:07:36evaluate to better understand the

3:07:38differences, but changes as such affect

3:07:42revenue pretty heavily. You will see the

3:07:44usage breakdown, the top three,

3:07:46Cedarport District Park, Shallow Park,

3:07:48and then Crabtree Nature Park.

3:07:52For shelter rentals, the decrease here

3:07:54could be different factors, but overall

3:07:56could be due to weather. This is harder

3:07:59to determine because that the shelter

3:08:00rentals are typically oneoff rentals.

3:08:03But again, we will continue and have

3:08:05been evaluating popular times of the

3:08:07year that folks rent shelters and

3:08:09possibly do some enhanced marketing to

3:08:11get those numbers back up.

3:08:14And lastly, on the rental rental side of

3:08:16things are the two indoor spaces,

3:08:18Historic Christian Church and CFCC. We

3:08:21did determine the decrease here is most

3:08:23likely due to the increase of evening

3:08:26programs filling the space at CFCC. So

3:08:29you give a little, you take a little.

3:08:31You will see both our fairly popular

3:08:32spaces with the usage breakdown with

3:08:35Historic Christian Church being 54 54%

3:08:37of the usage and then Cedarport

3:08:39Community Center being 46% of the usage.

3:08:43We have several nonprofit organ

3:08:45organizations that use our spaces. You

3:08:48will see for FY26, we had a total of 115

3:08:52rentals, 60 which were nonprofit. We had

3:08:55a total of 19 nonprofit organizations

3:08:59with 12 being non-resident status. We

3:09:02did some comparisons

3:09:04of surrounding municipalities and you

3:09:06will see it varies a bit with Kerry,

3:09:10Raleigh, Wake Forest, Apex and Durham.

3:09:13Our estimated revenue by nonresident N

3:09:17nonprofits was approximately 160,000 for

3:09:20FY26.

3:09:22If those organizations all receive the

3:09:25resident rate, that reduces the resident

3:09:28or excuse me, reduces the revenue to

3:09:30approximately $95,000.

3:09:32Our recommendation is to offer

3:09:34Morrisville-based registered and what I

3:09:37mean by registered is that they are a

3:09:39nonprofit registered with the Secretary

3:09:41of State. They would receive a 25%

3:09:44discount on rentals Monday through

3:09:46Friday from 9:00 am to 3 pm. This would

3:09:50help drive rentals to our nonprime time

3:09:53and still leave the prime time open for

3:09:56regular rental rates.

3:10:00Moving on to our four-legged friend

3:10:02space, the Morrisville Dog Park. I think

3:10:05for the first year of opening, we had a

3:10:08positive year. I've seen some happy

3:10:11faces running around that space.

3:10:15We started selling passes in August and

3:10:17opened the gates in September, selling

3:10:19just under 14,000 in pass $14,000 in

3:10:22passes. We had close to 4,000 residents

3:10:25alone use the park. We have also started

3:10:28some programming out there with our

3:10:30first ever event just a week ago with

3:10:32dog days of summer. the plans to host

3:10:34some more of these smaller events at

3:10:36this venue as the the one last week was

3:10:39very wellreceived.

3:10:41[clears throat]

3:10:43And you'll see the operating cost um of

3:10:46what it has um been for the last year

3:10:49there. And you'll see the total swipes

3:10:52we've had. And I that could be skewed a

3:10:54little bit because sometimes people let

3:10:55people in, but we did have 6,157 swipes.

3:11:01So, how do people know who we are and

3:11:03what we offer? Well, that comes down to

3:11:05our market marketing co coordinator who

3:11:08is president, Katie Grenager. Katie's

3:11:10creativity and social media has her and

3:11:13her some shoutouts across the state. You

3:11:17will see in this story the followers

3:11:19increased 28% and I dare say they saw

3:11:22all the cool things coming up for

3:11:23Morrisville PRCR.

3:11:26The engagements portion is a big

3:11:28highlight. Our engagement rate on social

3:11:31is 4.5%.

3:11:33The average is 1.3%.

3:11:37The increase we saw from 25 to 26 in

3:11:40this area was 107%.

3:11:43Some additional highlights include just

3:11:45over 310,000

3:11:48video views. And if you haven't seen

3:11:51some of the videos our actress and

3:11:53actresses are in, you're missing out.

3:11:57And lastly, we had 582 program guide

3:12:00visits just in May alone.

3:12:04I'm going to highlight cost recovery at

3:12:06a higher level. We've got a few new

3:12:08council members that may have not seen

3:12:10this and may not know this exists. So

3:12:13last year, uh we did a presentation on

3:12:15cost recovery and we have the the one,

3:12:19two, three, four buckets. Uh primary

3:12:21being the 0%. This is a benefit uh for

3:12:24the community by enhancing property

3:12:25values, safety, addressing social needs

3:12:27and improving residents quality of life.

3:12:29The next level is our basic and that's

3:12:32uh 1 to 14% and I'll explain the

3:12:34percentages in just a minute. Promote

3:12:36individual physical and mental

3:12:37well-being in a in a beginner setting.

3:12:39Then you have your enhanced which the

3:12:42range is 15 to 50% and those are

3:12:45intermediate recreational skill

3:12:46development but still promotes

3:12:48individual growth. And then you have

3:12:50your specialized which is 51% plus

3:12:53specialized in advanced instruction and

3:12:55promote individual growth. So that's the

3:12:57high level of our cost recovery

3:13:00methodology.

3:13:03So what we did is we broke down each

3:13:06division's cost recovery in a snapshot

3:13:09for FY26.

3:13:11You'll see athletics at 54 54.5%.

3:13:16Cedarport Community Center 62%, aquatics

3:13:19and fitness center 54.5%,

3:13:22the senior center 4.2 and then the

3:13:24special events and cultural resources

3:13:263.4%.

3:13:28The department's overall cost recovery

3:13:30came in at 35.9%

3:13:32for FY26. The national average is 30%

3:13:36for our given population.

3:13:41How do we use that methodology? If you

3:13:44go back to some of those percentages,

3:13:46um, basically it starts out with the

3:13:48initial planning looking at our gaps,

3:13:50our trends, opportunities, what are we

3:13:52missing if anything,

3:13:54what are the needs, we identify our

3:13:58potential instructors,

3:14:00um, our resource, what resources do we

3:14:02need? And then we start analyzing the

3:14:05cost. We use a program, we utilize a

3:14:08program plan worksheet to determine if a

3:14:11program is a good fit to seek approval.

3:14:13So, the staff grab this sheet. It's an

3:14:15Excel sheet. They start plugging in

3:14:16their information from their

3:14:19descriptions to their um direct cost.

3:14:22Anything that it costs to run that

3:14:24program, they're going to stick it on

3:14:26the sheet. And then as part of the cost

3:14:29recovery recovery methodology, uh we

3:14:32also do uh re um excuse me, research

3:14:36market comparisons. So, we look at

3:14:38surrounding areas to see what others are

3:14:40offering. We then submit that program

3:14:43proposal plan for approval and activate

3:14:45that program. So what happens within

3:14:48that worksheet, the staff are

3:14:52determining those percentages. So let's

3:14:54say special events and cultural

3:14:57resources may have a com a basic

3:15:00program. So like um I'll take the lunar

3:15:03light program. That's a basic program um

3:15:08that fall that falls into that basic

3:15:10category. So that cost recovery is one

3:15:12to 14%. So they're going to play with

3:15:15that one to 14% to see what a good fee

3:15:20looks like because those program plans

3:15:23uh spit out your resident and your

3:15:25non-resident rate. There may be another

3:15:27program similar in Kerry or Apex. So

3:15:31they're going to do those market rate

3:15:32comparisons. So, if we're well over,

3:15:35they're going to probably play with that

3:15:37percentage number, bring it down, but

3:15:39we're still going to try to stay within

3:15:41that cost recovery um loop, that basic

3:15:45area. So, that's how we use our

3:15:48methodology of those uh the

3:15:50classifications.

3:15:56So, I c I can't go without talking about

3:15:59a year of celebrations and wins,

3:16:02but I'll start by recognizing Billy

3:16:04Hilton, our business analyst, who led

3:16:07the Capra reacredititation process. Not

3:16:10only did we pass, but we did so with

3:16:13flying colors with 100% of the standards

3:16:16met.

3:16:17Congrats, Billy.

3:16:19and we were one of 10 beta testers with

3:16:22the new credentials. So, not only were

3:16:25we trying something new, but we did it

3:16:28100%. We didn't miss a beat. Billy

3:16:30[clears throat] worked with a work team

3:16:31to achieve this outstanding recognition.

3:16:34We have added two hitting stations which

3:16:37are installed at MCP. We added a few

3:16:39work teams to accomplish some projects,

3:16:42accreditation being one, park and wreck

3:16:44month, and have already identified

3:16:46several other work teams for this fiscal

3:16:49year. This gives folks an opportunity to

3:16:51work with others outside of their

3:16:53divisions. And there's typically a

3:16:55starting and ending point. So, they will

3:16:57roll off and move to something else if

3:16:59they'd like. Obviously, we have a new

3:17:02home that several of you came over to

3:17:04earlier today that has proven to be a

3:17:06huge benefit with proximity to other

3:17:08departments, town hall, and our own

3:17:11facilities. We appreciate you all

3:17:13investing in this space so that we can

3:17:16thrive and do things all PRCR.

3:17:20We kicked off the master plan and

3:17:21strategic principles. I think you all

3:17:24saw our mission and vision statements up

3:17:27on the boards right as soon as you walk

3:17:29into the building. We're very proud of

3:17:30those. Those have been part of that

3:17:31strategic principles process. Um,

3:17:35thank you to all of you who have

3:17:37participated in our session in the

3:17:39session with our consultants with for

3:17:40the master plan. Uh, your time and input

3:17:43is invaluable to the process. And last

3:17:45but not least, we have a new lighting.

3:17:48We have new lighting at our Church

3:17:50Street Park and we are currently

3:17:52prepping for the upgrade of the Cricut

3:17:54field. So, some really positive wins

3:17:56there.

3:17:58a look ahead. We've heard there's a park

3:18:02that will be coming online soon called

3:18:04Town Center, and we couldn't be more

3:18:07excited because it's going to be in our

3:18:08back door, backyard, if you will. We

3:18:11have a meeting planned with uh public

3:18:12works soon to begin the discussions of

3:18:14operation and what's what it's going to

3:18:16look like overall. Our special events

3:18:18and cultural resources team is gearing

3:18:20up to move many of our existing events

3:18:23to this space. All but Red, White, and

3:18:25Boom and Holy are expected to make that

3:18:27move.

3:18:28Some additional programming that we are

3:18:30throwing around is reoccurring arts

3:18:33culture and obviously with the stage

3:18:35music offerings. We will be focusing

3:18:38both on active and passive activation

3:18:42offering youth, teen and family dropin

3:18:45as well as fitness and wellness

3:18:47offerings. And we will be welcoming a

3:18:50new program specialist just inside the

3:18:52new year to help us with with the

3:18:54program elements of the park.

3:18:58What's next? I mentioned the additional

3:19:00programming at the dog park. So, we're

3:19:02gonna we're going to be hitting that

3:19:04expansion of the senior center. You

3:19:06know, the senior center is exploding. I

3:19:08cannot wait to see what we're going to

3:19:11bring to the senior center once we get

3:19:13expanded. It's it's going to be

3:19:15incredible. Volleyball recently became a

3:19:18sport within the high schools. So, we we

3:19:20will be looking into integrating that

3:19:22into our athletic programming. And then

3:19:24technology upgrades that includes we

3:19:27just received our signature pads at all

3:19:29of our facilities, cameras at many of

3:19:31our locations and then controlled access

3:19:34is coming to at the uh MAFC tennis

3:19:36courts and has been installed at the

3:19:38cricket pitches. I mentioned expanded

3:19:41work teams previously and MAFC is

3:19:44working towards private swimming

3:19:45lessons.

3:19:49And that is the end of the PRCR story.

3:19:54What questions may you have?

3:20:00>> Council me Johnson and myself.

3:20:05>> Well, before I begin, I'd like to just

3:20:07say it's so great to see all your

3:20:10shining faces

3:20:12at 9:00 at night. [laughter]

3:20:14Um

3:20:16we are very proud of all the work that

3:20:20the parks department has provided from

3:20:24events to routine you know um activities

3:20:30both passive and active. It all blends

3:20:33together, you know, how we use the

3:20:36parks, how we connect the parks, you

3:20:39know, it it is a backbone of the town.

3:20:43And um we would love to just do more,

3:20:49but we are limited by both funding and

3:20:53capacity, right? Y

3:20:55>> so it's a it's a real balance of you

3:20:59know need want

3:21:02ability to provide so and the fact that

3:21:05we just received recommendation for the

3:21:08reacreditation is it you know um is it

3:21:13official yet? Oh, yeah. Yeah.

3:21:15>> Yeah. Okay.

3:21:17>> We're We're done with that.

3:21:18>> We're We're done.

3:21:19>> We're so done. We're [laughter] so done.

3:21:21Um but the um parks master plan update

3:21:25is so critical and I know all of you are

3:21:28working and supporting that as well. So,

3:21:30we we love that. Um but that just puts

3:21:33us in a better position for future grant

3:21:36funds, future applications, and so

3:21:38forth.

3:21:40Now, I'm gonna turn to one of my

3:21:42favorite topics, seniors. Lauren, you

3:21:46should be like, "Yay." [laughter]

3:21:48Um,

3:21:49the insurancebased

3:21:51MAFC

3:21:53is a significant

3:21:56um

3:21:59activity for, you know, the staff to

3:22:02process claims. And I get that. I have

3:22:04worked in one of my previous lives in an

3:22:07insurance company and I get claim

3:22:10management and I get how complicated

3:22:12each insurance company is going to do

3:22:14that. But looking at the math, the

3:22:17insurancebased population at the MAFC is

3:22:2270% seniors.

3:22:25Have you brought up to the senior

3:22:28advisory committee the change of the

3:22:31insurancebased

3:22:34you know, scenario for memberships

3:22:37because I think that's important.

3:22:39There are 76 people currently from

3:22:42Morrisville that are in the

3:22:44insurancebased program, but more

3:22:47importantly, 70% of the total population

3:22:49of these insurance space are seniors and

3:22:52a lot of them are non-resident.

3:22:55But there's a reason there. It's because

3:22:58there is such a need for activity and

3:23:03Medicare advantage programs do offer

3:23:06that benefit. Now I was not seeing in

3:23:10this presentation the differential

3:23:13between the market rate MAFC membership

3:23:17and the

3:23:19um reimbursement amount from these

3:23:23insurance programs. and what that delta

3:23:26really is because that's important to

3:23:30understand what's the impact of this

3:23:32insurance. I know it's both staff time

3:23:34as well as the actual physical um

3:23:37recovery of funds, but that's important

3:23:40to know.

3:23:42I I think that

3:23:45um

3:23:46if we had a facility for the seniors at

3:23:51the senior center that offers even more

3:23:55types of physical activity that would

3:23:58help maybe those 76 individuals

3:24:02transition to the senior center, but we

3:24:04don't offer the same kind of curriculum

3:24:07and that's a gap. Um, I would also when

3:24:10I looked at your ch proposed changes

3:24:14that you're offering a 20% off annual

3:24:16membership during annual um the next

3:24:20year, that's where that reimbursement is

3:24:23important because if the seniors have a

3:24:27certain capacity to participate at MAFC

3:24:30through their insurance, are we

3:24:33offsetting the market rate enough with

3:24:3520% so they can still engage

3:24:39Is it really they need to have a 30%

3:24:41discount? Um let's let's think about

3:24:46what is needed to make that net neutral

3:24:50for those 76

3:24:52residents that are currently

3:24:54participating. And that way um it it's

3:24:59it's helping reduce the demand but it's

3:25:02also supporting our Morrisville

3:25:04taxpayers.

3:25:06Um, and also I'd like to get more

3:25:09feedback from our senior advisory

3:25:10committee on those kind of changes and

3:25:13what why do some seniors um have an MAFC

3:25:19not a senior um you know membership or

3:25:23or they have a senior membership and not

3:25:25an MAFC

3:25:27that information would be helpful as

3:25:29well.

3:25:32>> And thank you very much.

3:25:33>> Thank you.

3:25:36Thank you for a very thorough

3:25:37presentation. Thank you to all the

3:25:38staff. Um, parks and wreck is the most

3:25:40community-f facing, resident facing

3:25:42thing and uh, it's always bringing

3:25:44smiles to everyone's faces, especially

3:25:48just the events and things like that.

3:25:50Really wonderful. Um, you said something

3:25:51right towards the end which I I want to

3:25:54understand. Controlled access for

3:25:56tennis.

3:25:58>> Yes. So, um, it'll be badge access

3:26:01through their their passes. So the it'll

3:26:04be for members members only at MFC but

3:26:07not at um

3:26:10MSC

3:26:12>> and can you tell me why?

3:26:14>> Because we have a lot control the usage

3:26:17of those courts for members only. We

3:26:19have a lot of people that come out there

3:26:21that are aren't members that are taking

3:26:23up member spots. So those memberships

3:26:26that we're talking about um they pay the

3:26:29membership to use that facility. We're

3:26:31we're looking at the tennis courts

3:26:33inclusively at MAFC as a membership

3:26:36based part of that membership um perk.

3:26:40>> Okay. Um I think Woodcast asked, "Is

3:26:43that necessary?" Because they used to be

3:26:45controlled access and that wasn't that

3:26:47great. I mean, the fencing came through

3:26:49the building in the old tennis courts

3:26:52setup and it just wasn't that user

3:26:55friendly in general to not be able to

3:26:58use tennis courts. Tennis courts are

3:27:00generally public.

3:27:02So, um, do you really need that extra

3:27:05revenue or can we use the tennis courts

3:27:08and let them be open to everyone because

3:27:10that's like a a really democratic sport

3:27:13and if the courts that these are two of

3:27:16our eight courts, something like that.

3:27:19>> Yeah. Again, I think we were looking at

3:27:21MFC as membership based for the tennis

3:27:24courts. It's one of those perks. So, the

3:27:26membership that you're paying for is

3:27:29part of that tennis court. We have the

3:27:30MSC courts and we also have the Church

3:27:32Street Park courts.

3:27:35>> Okay. I'm just going to always be

3:27:37pushing back on that because people are

3:27:38paying the membership already. So, do we

3:27:41need to add another perk in order to get

3:27:44them to keep being members? Would be my

3:27:46question. Um, and I did take the the

3:27:49survey and the interview and that was

3:27:51really great. I enjoyed the opportunity

3:27:53to uh share. I forgot to share. Um, what

3:27:58can we do to help reduce the lines at

3:28:01things like Peeps in the Park and Boo

3:28:03Bash? Because we want our residents to

3:28:06remember not the lines but the event

3:28:10because it used to be we didn't have

3:28:12lines for those things.

3:28:14>> Okay?

3:28:15>> And so now they're too popular or what

3:28:17can we do to spread those out a little

3:28:19bit? So that's just a suggestion. I'm

3:28:22not asking for an answer.

3:28:23>> Okay? It just I think those events could

3:28:26be more memorable in a positive way for

3:28:29all our residents. Everyone says really

3:28:31great things about them. I think they

3:28:33can be even better

3:28:35and you guys are doing a great job. So

3:28:37please take that in the means as it's

3:28:39intended.

3:28:40>> Thank you.

3:28:42Uh I'm not sure who's first. So I'll

3:28:45recognize mayor body first and then

3:28:47council member

3:28:48>> Carol

3:28:49>> for that

3:28:53>> excellent presentation a lot of energy

3:28:56you know and I don't know how you get

3:28:58your energy at 9:00 but um I think the

3:29:01same smiley faces

3:29:04and as the mayor alluded I would say

3:29:07parks and rats is pretty much the crown

3:29:09jewel um because it touches a lot of

3:29:12people it lot touches a lot of kids and

3:29:14that is pretty much what the parents

3:29:16look at. [snorts] Uh and the second um I

3:29:20would say is the public works because

3:29:22the trash has to be pulled out. uh and

3:29:25the rest all departments are important

3:29:28but they are like a BAU type you know

3:29:30that [laughter] is like so not saying

3:29:33anything to the police and the fires and

3:29:34all that thing but that's you know the

3:29:36expected uh there they you know if the

3:29:41parks you know the kid is not going to

3:29:43soccer that's a problem the trash is not

3:29:46getting picked up it's a problem uh but

3:29:49uh nevertheless I think it's a great uh

3:29:52uh Cindy you know in eight months you

3:29:54done a fabulous job.

3:29:55>> Thank you.

3:29:56>> Um and uh the morale of

3:30:00the entire department is completely at a

3:30:03different level now.

3:30:04>> Thank you. I appreciate that.

3:30:05>> And and I don't go to seniors uh center

3:30:09a lot but I hear I don't have to

3:30:11unsolicitedly I hear a lot from Vicki

3:30:14all the time. So [laughter]

3:30:16so I think all is good there. My thing

3:30:20comes back to the u

3:30:25nonprofits

3:30:26thing um that I had done a round table

3:30:31and for me it is you know when I came up

3:30:36with this proposal to have as a resident

3:30:40it is there are a lot of uh nonprofits

3:30:44which are all around Mars Kerry area and

3:30:48Our you have seen just in our

3:30:51participation there's a lot of crossings

3:30:53you know like not residents come here

3:30:56and go there and uh uh

3:31:00we benefit a lot from

3:31:04nonprofits which are outside

3:31:06and for our residents too. Uh good

3:31:11example like uh I was talking to um

3:31:15council member Lori Bush you know like

3:31:18talking about the Kerry thing and she

3:31:21went and asked Fox director like um

3:31:24American Red Cross that nonprofit is

3:31:28based out of RA and when they do

3:31:31something in Kerry they're considered as

3:31:34a 50%.

3:31:36you know, it's just not they have it as

3:31:38a rule, but they kind of do more than

3:31:42that because it benefits the overall

3:31:44good of the community and the residents.

3:31:47So, this particular one I I would say,

3:31:51you know, it's it's great we have

3:31:54brought the levels up. Um but sometimes

3:31:58it's not it's better to let it go

3:32:01because nonprofits are always struggling

3:32:04and not saying that we won't give them

3:32:06discount or anything know treat them as

3:32:08a resident because that gives our

3:32:12community

3:32:14people who come and participate a better

3:32:18pricing too. That's that's what um I had

3:32:22alluded for and I think rest of the

3:32:24council at the time you know agreed to

3:32:26it and uh I think when I asked Brandon

3:32:29Brandon said that you will be coming and

3:32:32giving a presentation today at that

3:32:34time. So that's uh that's what I would

3:32:39still suggest we should go with.

3:32:42>> Thank you.

3:32:42>> Thank you.

3:32:46Mayor Pambati, please.

3:32:50>> Thank you, Mayor. So, 100% agree about

3:32:53the nonprofits.

3:32:55I I just think

3:32:58I think that we should be encouraging

3:33:01nonprofits to have events in

3:33:04Morrisville. And I also I mean every

3:33:07nonprofit that I'm on the board of is on

3:33:10such a shoestring budget that the

3:33:12difference between a $500 event and a

3:33:15$250 event could be the cancellation of

3:33:18the event. So yeah, I think we could be

3:33:22I think we could heir on the side of

3:33:25being lax on that type of policy. Um and

3:33:29also Satisha is right. There are

3:33:31nonprofits that are not based in

3:33:32Morrisville, but that still have a wide

3:33:35birth in and help a lot of people in

3:33:38Morrisville. So,

3:33:40uh, that, um, so I disagree with the

3:33:44mayor about the tennis courts at MAFC. I

3:33:49think that when you I have a membership

3:33:54at MAFC and it's it would be my

3:33:58expectation that I would have priority

3:34:01access to those courts. I mean, that's

3:34:03one of the reasons to get a membership

3:34:05and to to have people

3:34:11going in there that don't that aren't

3:34:13members taking up court spaces from

3:34:17people that are members. I just don't

3:34:18think that's I just don't think that's

3:34:20really good look on us and people can

3:34:23walk into the tennis courts for free.

3:34:27I I think that's an amenity of the MAFC

3:34:30membership. So I'm I'm fine with that

3:34:33with that. Um

3:34:38Oh, and so you I mean you've alluded to

3:34:41this over and over again. You have an

3:34:43amazing staff. Um, I did want to

3:34:46particularly call out the um the parks

3:34:50and wreck month events. I had tons of

3:34:53fun painting. First I painted a puzzle

3:34:55piece, then I painted a rock and I you

3:34:58know I met the kids were so excited and

3:35:02it was just really it was just really

3:35:04nice to see that and and the staff that

3:35:07were there were wonderful with the kids.

3:35:09It was it was just a real a for me a

3:35:13really shining moment in in a long line

3:35:17of really shining moments that parks and

3:35:20w offers this community. And you know, I

3:35:24think our brand when we talk about being

3:35:27welcoming, being inclusive, being, you

3:35:30know, being a great place to live and

3:35:31work and play, I I like there's nothing

3:35:35about that that parks and wreck doesn't

3:35:36touch. And I could say as a parent of

3:35:39five that the

3:35:44wreck sports and wreck activities and

3:35:47and wreck STEM programs, I mean, are

3:35:50life-changing for kids. So, just thank

3:35:53you to every single one of the staff,

3:35:56those that are here tonight. God, it's

3:35:58so late. And those that aren't, um, just

3:36:01yeah, just keep doing what you're doing

3:36:03because you are doing a fabulous job.

3:36:05And I agree that I I really think you

3:36:08have upleveled the department. The

3:36:10department was already great, but I do

3:36:12think that under your leadership, it has

3:36:14it has considerably upleveled. Thank

3:36:17you.

3:36:17>> So, thank you,

3:36:21>> Council Member Kesling, followed by

3:36:22Council Member Patel, please.

3:36:25>> Thank you for the presentation. This was

3:36:26really great, especially having um you

3:36:29know, all the data, all the information

3:36:31all on display in this presentation. It

3:36:32was really great. Um I was wondering if

3:36:34we could go back to the um CFCC slide.

3:36:38It's one of the early slides.

3:36:43So a lot of the other slides um the

3:36:47numbers were making sense in my mind on

3:36:50this one. um you know I don't know the

3:36:53percentages necessarily but I'm seeing a

3:36:56significant increase in the number of

3:36:57programs and comparatively

3:37:00a moderate I mean

3:37:04a slight increase in the revenue. So my

3:37:08um curiosity here is the um maybe the

3:37:13cost of fiscal year 25 versus fiscal

3:37:16year 26

3:37:17on Cedarport Community Center. Um if you

3:37:22can answer that.

3:37:24>> Will, would you like to come up to the

3:37:26podium?

3:37:27>> Sure.

3:37:29>> I'm gonna ask Will Deeders to come up.

3:37:30He's our center manager. He can maybe

3:37:32help shine some light on this.

3:37:36Yes. Um and could you repeat the

3:37:38question again for me if you don't mind?

3:37:40>> Yes. So on a lot of the other slides um

3:37:44it the the number of programs or the

3:37:48number of participants or whatnot um

3:37:50seem to match in terms of percentage

3:37:52with the um amount of revenue increase.

3:37:56This one not so much. Um, I I can't do

3:38:00mental math very well, but I'm pretty

3:38:02sure that 348 to 368K is not a 247

3:38:06nowhere near a 247% increase in programs

3:38:09offered. So, I'm curious about um the

3:38:14cost impact of

3:38:17uh you know going from these 78 programs

3:38:19to 271 programs.

3:38:21>> Sure. Yeah. So, uh, a lot of that

3:38:24primarily has to do with, uh, taking

3:38:27ownership of those programs. Um,

3:38:29specifically our music classes and

3:38:33archery classes. Uh, so when we took

3:38:35ownership of those, uh, registration,

3:38:38uh, and facilitate or having instructors

3:38:40facilitate them for us, uh, they were a

3:38:44register by class, uh, programs. So if

3:38:49we had a for instance music classes is

3:38:52Monday w Tuesday Tuesdays and Wednesdays

3:38:54we have a 4:15

3:38:56all the way to 7:15 class 40-minute

3:38:59sessions and participants were signing

3:39:01up for 4:15 each time you know every

3:39:05week. Uh so that offered at five

3:39:08sessions a night that's 15 programs

3:39:10right there. Um some were failing some

3:39:12were not filling. So that was running

3:39:15the number of programs we were offering

3:39:16to the community up. Um whereas if some

3:39:18were not filling then that revenue

3:39:20wasn't filling that piece. Uh we've

3:39:22since changed how we do registration for

3:39:24that uh to eliminate how many programs

3:39:27you know we're seeing cancelled

3:39:30um to like a month monthly basis. Um so

3:39:32now they pay a onetime fee and they sign

3:39:34up for four classes. Um or we've seen

3:39:37the numbers make more sense. Uh and

3:39:39we're getting more registrations and you

3:39:41know it doesn't you know parents don't

3:39:43have to go on you know every week and

3:39:46sign up. um they can do it once a month

3:39:48or when our registration opens they can

3:39:50sign up for five months at a time and

3:39:52not 40 programs or sessions at a time if

3:39:57that helps answer that.

3:39:59>> I appreciate the additional details. Um

3:40:03but what I'm specifically interested in

3:40:05is um

3:40:08the cost difference of

3:40:12uh going from 78 to 271 programs between

3:40:14fiscal year 25 and 26.

3:40:18Um does that make sense? So we have

3:40:21revenue numbers. The revenue doesn't

3:40:24seem to be right. There's not a 247%

3:40:28increase in the revenue. Um there's a

3:40:30247%

3:40:32increase in the programs. I'm wondering

3:40:33what's the percent increase in the cost

3:40:37of running an additional

3:40:40um

3:40:42200 programs.

3:40:47>> Sorry, could you repeat that last part?

3:40:49Sorry. [laughter]

3:40:50>> Yeah. So um we're going from just say

3:40:53we're increasing um you know to 200

3:40:57increasing programs by 200.

3:41:00>> Um

3:41:01what's the cost of increasing programs

3:41:04by 200 programs?

3:41:07>> It's going to vary on the program

3:41:09because our instructors make we pay the

3:41:11instructor. That's most of the cost

3:41:13right there. Our instructors make

3:41:14different um salaries. One could be $10

3:41:18per person. The other one could be $40

3:41:20per person. So based on what they are

3:41:24charging, whether it's per person or um

3:41:28you know per hour, it's going to it's

3:41:30going to be a variation

3:41:32>> and unfortunately I don't have those

3:41:33costs.

3:41:34>> Yeah, if that can be provided in the

3:41:36subsequent email that would be

3:41:38appreciated just have a little because

3:41:40just the numbers don't look like all the

3:41:42other numbers in here. So having just a

3:41:44little bit more little bit more

3:41:46clarification on that would be nice.

3:41:48Um,

3:41:51let's see.

3:41:56So, the primary access for members of

3:41:58MAFC on tennis, I think that makes

3:42:00sense. Um

3:42:03the

3:42:06it's a it's a

3:42:09if you come into MAFC and you're doing

3:42:11everything there and you want to play

3:42:12tennis um you know I think being able to

3:42:15do that there um is a perk of being a

3:42:18member. Um so I think the the restricted

3:42:22access on that is fun in my um my

3:42:24regard. Um, I'm echoing the lines at

3:42:28events and um and tacking on the lines

3:42:32waiting for shuttles. Um, especially the

3:42:33late night events. Um, I I' I've waited

3:42:37in those lines and um yeah, they're um

3:42:43they can they can get a little

3:42:44exhausting. Um so just making that

3:42:47comment. Um, and also, uh, so getting

3:42:51into, you know, very specific details on

3:42:54how programs are run, but I'm going to

3:42:56preface this by saying that I had a

3:42:58resident tell me, you know, hey, you

3:43:01should do it this way. And I told them

3:43:02they should reach out to, oh, reach out

3:43:04to town manager, reach out to to you,

3:43:07and it's like, no, that's your job. So,

3:43:09so this that's that's that's the impetus

3:43:11for this. Um but it's specifically with

3:43:14uh holy and the um uh the color uh the

3:43:20powder. Um apparently in Apex they do um

3:43:23they have stations, separate stations

3:43:25and cones and um

3:43:29you know it's kind of it's not one

3:43:30central location. It's kind of

3:43:32distributed throughout. Um and then if

3:43:34it's that then probably also potentially

3:43:36less plastic waste as well. Um so

3:43:39there's that. And then the last thing I

3:43:41wanted to mention um just related to

3:43:43parks um something that I've been

3:43:44learning more about recently is um the

3:43:48there's a there's a group it's probably

3:43:50you know research the group um make

3:43:52space for girls um so parks play

3:43:55equipment and public spaces for older

3:43:56children and teenagers are currently

3:43:58designed for the default male. It's time

3:44:00to make space for girls. Our vision is a

3:44:02world where all parks and public spaces

3:44:04are designed to make teenage girls feel

3:44:06valued and included and where everyone

3:44:07feels welcome. So the request there is

3:44:10really a gap analysis. I'd say you know

3:44:13is there um is that true for one and if

3:44:17it is true you know maybe we probably

3:44:19start thinking about doing things a

3:44:21little bit differently.

3:44:22>> Thank you

3:44:26>> council member Patel please.

3:44:31>> So thank you for the presentation and

3:44:33the data you have provided here is

3:44:35excellent. It's very helpful. Thank you.

3:44:39Um if we can go to the athlet athletic

3:44:44fields rental slide which is

3:44:5014 I believe.

3:44:55So here I see that the usage has

3:45:00increased

3:45:02but the revenues have

3:45:06declined significantly. I'm sure there

3:45:08is a reason but could you explain what

3:45:10that is?

3:45:12>> I'm gonna ask Brian Ray to come up to

3:45:13the podium as well as Billy Hilton.

3:45:18>> Brian's our athletics manager and Billy

3:45:20is our business analyst.

3:45:24Good evening everyone. Hope everyone can

3:45:25hear me loud and clear. Um so the major

3:45:29difference there is that over the course

3:45:31of this past year we did have a couple

3:45:32of organizations that reclassified

3:45:34themselves um with us after us doing

3:45:37audit is from resident to non-resident.

3:45:41So there was a $40,000 decrease in one

3:45:44of the organizations fees um due to that

3:45:48reclassification to a resident.

3:45:51Additionally, we've had, we'll say, some

3:45:53changes because we share our space with

3:45:56events. We've had a couple organizations

3:45:58that have um we'll say found a less

3:46:00expensive option. So, they've re they've

3:46:02relocated to some other fields. Some

3:46:05organizations are creating their own

3:46:06field space. So, we lose usage in that

3:46:09way as well.

3:46:14Yeah, I'll also add that because these

3:46:17rentals tend to be much higher dollar

3:46:21amount. I mean, it's not uncommon for

3:46:23them to be five figures,

3:46:24>> right? Yeah. So, it doesn't take that

3:46:28many um differences like that to to make

3:46:31quite quite a difference in the in the

3:46:33revenue that you see. All it would take

3:46:34is a few a few clients uh you know,

3:46:38having an altered status or or uh uh you

3:46:42know no longer reserving with us

3:46:45reserving with someone else that's so

3:46:47that's all that takes for there to be a

3:46:49a huge difference

3:46:50>> I understand that but what I'm seeing is

3:46:52that both residential and

3:46:54non-residential rentals have increased

3:46:56you know 395 to 452 and 493 to 737

3:47:02so rentals have I understand that 40,000

3:47:05difference that you explained but

3:47:07there's there's a significant gap gap

3:47:09between I mean it's a decline. So I was

3:47:12wondering what else could have

3:47:14contributed to that's all.

3:47:15>> So the revenue difference is mainly due

3:47:17to the organizations. Some of the

3:47:19smaller organizations say we have a

3:47:21triangle ultimate that does leagues with

3:47:24us. At the end of their leave they will

3:47:26have their individual teams come in and

3:47:29begin to rent space with us. So that

3:47:30will increase the number of rentals that

3:47:32we have not associated with just one

3:47:34organization. And so from that

3:47:36standpoint, we do have an increase in

3:47:38the number of rentals that we do, but

3:47:41that doesn't help offset that gap in the

3:47:44revenue.

3:47:46>> Okay.

3:47:48>> Thank you.

3:47:50Um

3:47:55then uh if you can go to that sitter for

3:47:58community center uh slide

3:48:04and there I

3:48:09again I here what I see is um I had a

3:48:15question that uh council member casting

3:48:17already asked so I'm not going to repeat

3:48:19that discussion about the revenue

3:48:22increase but I see that

3:48:27resident participation

3:48:30increase significantly and non-resident

3:48:33participation decreased significantly uh

3:48:37specifically at community center. So was

3:48:40that shift intentional through pricing

3:48:42or registration policies or it was just

3:48:45simply due to increased demand from

3:48:47residents? So, I think we determined it

3:48:51was based on when our residents

3:48:54register. So, residents register about a

3:48:57week prior to our non-residents. So, our

3:48:59residents are getting in there sooner

3:49:01now than our non-residents.

3:49:05>> Okay.

3:49:06>> Which is an advantage obviously to our

3:49:08residents.

3:49:09>> Yes.

3:49:10>> Yep. And then agree with Mayor Prom and

3:49:13Council member Garola on the nonprofits

3:49:16policy.

3:49:18uh while

3:49:20you know the organization renting

3:49:23uh the place may be may not be in Morris

3:49:28school but a lot of the participants

3:49:31they actually live in Morris school so

3:49:34we need to and I I feel we should

3:49:37consider reconsider that policy

3:49:40that's thank you

3:49:41>> thank you

3:49:44>> council member Johnson please

3:49:46>> so Cindy thank you for the presentation.

3:49:48You did a fabulous job and the

3:49:51department is doing an incredible job.

3:49:53So, I echo all the sentiments um from my

3:49:57fellow council members about um how

3:50:00important Morrisville Parks and Rex

3:50:03Department is to our community and how

3:50:05you all uh accomplish so much. And so,

3:50:09um appreciate you all very very much.

3:50:12Um, and you know, I I remember I moved

3:50:16here to Morrisville 30 years ago. I

3:50:18remember parks and wrecks 30 years ago,

3:50:20and you all have come a long way. So, I

3:50:23thank you very very very much. Um, um,

3:50:28especially in when it comes to youth

3:50:30athletics. Incredible job. Incredible

3:50:32job. Um, ju just a couple of quick thing

3:50:35and and I'm gonna and this is kind of

3:50:37important. We've kind of talked about

3:50:39this in the past and I think it's

3:50:41important to mention it again. If you

3:50:43don't hear consensus, you don't hear

3:50:45consensus. So, keep that in mind that

3:50:47you hear all these comments. Um, but I

3:50:50want to say um one comment I want to

3:50:52make is I appreciate

3:50:55appreciate all the data you've shared

3:50:57with us. Um, and I think going forward

3:50:59it'll be really helpful um year by year

3:51:02to see this information and to see the

3:51:05trends. So I am grateful for that and

3:51:07looking forward to that um in the coming

3:51:09years as well. Thank you for um the work

3:51:13you are doing

3:51:15uh registering residents and

3:51:17non-residents. I appreciate that very

3:51:19much. Our residents should come first

3:51:21always. I realize um Morrisville

3:51:24Aquatics and Fitness Center has its own

3:51:25little uniqueness to it, but um our

3:51:28residents um should come first always

3:51:31because we are not doing 100% cost

3:51:34recovery on everything. No, nor will we

3:51:37ever um but but our residents should be

3:51:41at the forefront because they are

3:51:43taxpaying and um contributing in in all

3:51:46kinds of ways. So, I appreciate that

3:51:48effort um between residents and

3:51:50non-residents.

3:51:52I'm gonna I'm gonna because here's

3:51:54consensus now. You're gonna probably

3:51:56hear some the fourth one. Um I I am we

3:52:00did discuss nonprofits and how how to

3:52:03handle them moving forward and I do like

3:52:06the idea of um of giving nonprofits the

3:52:11resident rate. Um we we came to

3:52:14consensus on that and so um I think we

3:52:18need to

3:52:19we need to move forward. I appreciate

3:52:22the the information here, especially on

3:52:24the one slide where you said there would

3:52:26be a decrease in revenue. Um, and I I

3:52:30get that. I think we know that. I

3:52:32appreciate you reminding us of that. Um,

3:52:34I think maybe we need to move forward in

3:52:37in what council has come to consensus on

3:52:40and then um evaluate again and and see

3:52:44if we want to continue that practice or

3:52:46not. But um so I just wanted to talk

3:52:49about nonprofits again and um this idea

3:52:53of the tennis courts at Morsville

3:52:55Aquatics and Fitness Center, you market

3:52:56that as part of that membership and that

3:52:59should be part of that membership. So

3:53:01I'm okay with that. um uh the insurance

3:53:05with um at the Morrisville Aquatics and

3:53:09Fitness Center. I um

3:53:13I hear the problem there and I we not we

3:53:17we did not always accept insurance. So I

3:53:21um and we that there's a history there

3:53:23and that's okay and you this

3:53:24[laughter and clears throat] is before

3:53:25you and I know all that. Um, I think

3:53:28it's important that we start phasing

3:53:31that out. Um, I I do think um that that

3:53:37is a burden um that we probably should

3:53:40not take on and other municipalities are

3:53:44not either. Um, and I I realize uh that

3:53:48we're talking a lot um that it affects

3:53:50the seniors, but we do offer a lot for

3:53:55seniors for free that other

3:53:58municipalities do not. Um, and we offer

3:54:02a lot of um um fitness classes for our

3:54:06seniors. I participate in in some of

3:54:08them, certainly not all of them. Um and

3:54:12you know there there is an alternative a

3:54:15free alternative totally free for um for

3:54:19our seniors. So if we need to um

3:54:22emphasize that and market that um

3:54:25however to to make sure that folks are

3:54:28aware of that and then as far as this

3:54:31accepting insurance for other facilities

3:54:34there are private facilities that are

3:54:36accepting. I know Morrisville senior

3:54:39Morrisville residents who are seniors

3:54:41that are participating in especially O2

3:54:43fitness right um and that is almost like

3:54:47it's in Morrisville port the parking lot

3:54:49is in Morrisville the building's in

3:54:51Kerry so um so it's it's right on our

3:54:54doorstep so there's an alternative there

3:54:57for those that have um that would like

3:54:59to use insurance and I say all that

3:55:02because and you mentioned this a couple

3:55:03of times you know we're busting at the

3:55:05seams in our facilities So I think we

3:55:08need to

3:55:10think strategically and I know you are

3:55:12because you've shared the information

3:55:14with us about um you know who and what

3:55:19and how we are using that capacity and

3:55:24um and of course I would put our

3:55:25residents first and you are too. So I

3:55:28appreciate that. So thank you.

3:55:29>> Thank you.

3:55:35That's facing the world made. But now I

3:55:37see that you want to speak. Council

3:55:38member Gar

3:55:41Cindy. One thing um on the rentals for

3:55:46the fields. I didn't see any stats for

3:55:48the Church Street Park.

3:55:56>> Yeah. It didn't talk anything on the

3:55:59Church Street.

3:56:01>> It's not in our top three. Correct.

3:56:02>> Those are the top three.

3:56:03>> Yeah, these are the top three.

3:56:05>> And do we have a ballpark how much money

3:56:07that made?

3:56:08>> Billy, do you remember what that was?

3:56:09>> I don't know.

3:56:11>> We We do know what that is. We took it

3:56:13off because we focused on the top three.

3:56:15[laughter]

3:56:16I can get that.

3:56:17>> So So, so that's interesting. the the

3:56:19fact that you're saying it's not even

3:56:21the top three and we spend the maximum

3:56:23amount of money on it

3:56:25actually should be alarming for us you

3:56:29know and how can we this this is your

3:56:31opportunity Cindy to make money out of

3:56:33this [laughter]

3:56:35use this ground

3:56:36>> pressure

3:56:39>> no because because you know uh it makes

3:56:43sense it has to be the top every time

3:56:46because the amount of cost that goes in

3:56:50uh and it's all tax dollars money and we

3:56:54have to ensure we give the juice coming

3:56:57out of all that hard

3:57:00beautiful lawns and you know millions

3:57:03and millions of dollars in lights and

3:57:06fields. So just thought uh because that

3:57:11is pretty important when it slips

3:57:14through not even a top three then that's

3:57:16a problem.

3:57:18Understood.

3:57:19>> Yeah, I'm sure when we rent that it's

3:57:21expensive, but these other ones are

3:57:23having daily rentals. I mean, they have

3:57:25leagues there and stuff, and I don't

3:57:26think we want leagues practicing on our

3:57:29cricket pitch, so that's probably a

3:57:30little bit different.

3:57:32>> Yeah. Like not

3:57:35uh disagreeing with that, but uh

3:57:39it's it's a mental field end of the day.

3:57:42>> Council member Kesling, and then I have

3:57:44another thought. Yeah, I just wanted to

3:57:46add on to that that we restrict the

3:57:48usage of the field. So, it makes sense

3:57:50that it's not in the top three.

3:57:54>> So, um if we could circle back to the

3:57:56nonprofit because we sort of um at a

3:58:00high level sounds like there's consensus

3:58:01to just do it. Is that for events? Is

3:58:05that for rentals? Do we need to be more

3:58:07granular about the direction we're

3:58:10giving to y'all? I'd like to recognize

3:58:12the town manager to sort of give us some

3:58:14insight because this was a round table

3:58:16that we went into and now we're just

3:58:18sort of high level saying something and

3:58:21I want to make sure that we're giving

3:58:22clear direction.

3:58:24>> Yeah, thank you mayor and thank you

3:58:25Cindy. So you know my question was just

3:58:28to follow up. I think you know council

3:58:29members Johnson has mentioned there may

3:58:30be consensus. We just want to confirm if

3:58:33that consensus is that you just want to

3:58:35give any any registered we verify

3:58:38nonprofit the resident rate

3:58:42can there's an impact to that and and I

3:58:44think you're aware of that impact. So if

3:58:45that's what you want to do I just I

3:58:47think parks needs that direction so we

3:58:49can go forward and and make any changes

3:58:51with anyone that's got rentals coming up

3:58:53and have that settled.

3:58:58I recognize council member Patel and

3:58:59anyone else who could think.

3:59:01>> So when I spoke I was specifically

3:59:05speaking about uh facilities rentals and

3:59:08not events but I'm open to that

3:59:11discussion.

3:59:12>> Are you referring to indoor facilities

3:59:14or

3:59:14>> indoor facilities?

3:59:15>> Indoor facilities. Okay.

3:59:18>> Council member Scari Johnson.

3:59:21>> So I just wanted to understand the math.

3:59:23Um the non-resident versus the resident

3:59:27rate with the proposed 25% discount for

3:59:31non resident nonprofits

3:59:35is the resident rate more

3:59:38of a discount than 25%. What is the

3:59:42discount?

3:59:43>> The differentiation between the resident

3:59:44non-resident 40%.

3:59:46>> It's 40%. So that that to me is helpful

3:59:49because um yeah

3:59:54I I feel like 40% is less than carry but

4:00:01um more than the 25%. I I would be okay

4:00:05to try to do the non-resident rate. It's

4:00:08just simpler in um

4:00:11>> the res.

4:00:13>> Do the resident rate because it's

4:00:15simpler it in administration.

4:00:17Are you nonprofit? Yes or no? Here's the

4:00:19rate.

4:00:20>> The resident rate,

4:00:22>> right? Then you don't have to do uh

4:00:24>> all the math because we're not math

4:00:25people. [laughter]

4:00:27>> I I Yes, math is great. I love math,

4:00:30too. But um I'm just thinking

4:00:33um it would be an easier way of

4:00:36administrating over time. So thank you

4:00:44ask.

4:00:50I slipped my mind what I was going to

4:00:51ask on the followup. Um,

4:00:58oh, as long as it's not pushing out

4:01:02like residents who want to rent the

4:01:05facilities or nonprofits who are within

4:01:08town. So, that would be something that I

4:01:10definitely want us to consider because

4:01:12we're putting residents first. Um, so if

4:01:16someone's renting a facility and no one

4:01:19else can use it, that would concern me.

4:01:22Um,

4:01:24>> so I'm not sure how to address that.

4:01:26>> I think that's really challenging. Um,

4:01:28because, you know, it's one thing for

4:01:30for the fields and the shelters, all of

4:01:32you, correct me when I'm wrong, but, you

4:01:34know, those are much those are not

4:01:36necessarily rented, you know, 6 months

4:01:38in advance. Sometimes those are more of

4:01:39a, you know, 30 60day, whereas when you

4:01:42look at some of the rentals that are at

4:01:44CFCC, they rent for six months at a

4:01:46time. They rent for a season or for a a

4:01:48sec a portion of their classes. So, it's

4:01:52really hard to say, okay, residents can

4:01:54rent up until this period because the

4:01:57other problem becomes if you have

4:01:58somebody that wants every Sunday or

4:02:00every other Sunday and that you've

4:02:02rented half of those, they're not going

4:02:04to come because they need all of those

4:02:06to do their program. So, I think you

4:02:08just have to be prepared that you're

4:02:10going to have some situations where a

4:02:12non-resident-based nonprofit is going to

4:02:15get the space for a period of time that

4:02:18would exclude a resident that might want

4:02:20to rent. Yes.

4:02:23>> And we have that now. But it does that

4:02:26component doesn't really change. You're

4:02:27just going to reduce the revenue by, you

4:02:30know, a percentage, which is fine. Just

4:02:34want to make sure we're eyes open to

4:02:35this.

4:02:36>> And if they get a resident rate, we're

4:02:38not getting cost recovery.

4:02:40>> We're reducing cost recovery. I'm not

4:02:42ready to say we don't get it. You're

4:02:43certainly reducing cost recovery. And

4:02:45again, making sure we're just talking

4:02:47really about CFCC and Historic Christian

4:02:50Church for the most part. That's really

4:02:51our two indoor facility rentals.

4:02:54>> Okay.

4:02:56>> Uh that's all I want to share about

4:02:58that.

4:02:59>> Okay. So, we'll the other thing we'll

4:03:01have to do is bring you back because

4:03:02we'll have to modify the the USB

4:03:04schedule as a part of the budget. So,

4:03:06we'll bring you back an amendment to

4:03:07that at the next meeting and it can go

4:03:09into effect after that.

4:03:13So I just want to be clear that

4:03:15consensus is for indoor facility rentals

4:03:18only or are we

4:03:21>> I would I don't

4:03:23>> strongly suggest staying there.

4:03:25>> Yeah. I mean that's what I was referring

4:03:27to but I'm not sure what else everybody

4:03:29else was

4:03:29>> Yeah. That sounds like that's what we

4:03:31have consensus on our facility rentals.

4:03:34>> Okay.

4:03:38So

4:03:39>> my question is Brandon, what are the

4:03:42other rentals like field rentals you're

4:03:45thinking about?

4:03:46>> Yeah, there could be field rentals,

4:03:47there could be shelter rentals. I mean,

4:03:49there could be other things, but I think

4:03:51you I get the impression you're most

4:03:53interested in folks that are maybe

4:03:54bringing a program that would benefit

4:03:56our residents and others. And so I think

4:03:59those almost exclusively occur at the

4:04:01two indoor facilities at at CFCC and at

4:04:04the historic church.

4:04:07>> Okay. Because I don't know the other

4:04:10ones. So

4:04:12>> Okay. Uh really good thorough

4:04:14presentation and I think we've all

4:04:17mentioned how much we really appreciate

4:04:19the efforts of staff and uh glad that

4:04:22you have a nice facility that's close by

4:04:24so we'll see even more of you. Um, so

4:04:27it's wonderful. Thank you very much. The

4:04:28power of parts.

4:04:29>> Mayor, sorry, that was really loud.

4:04:31Sorry.

4:04:34Uh, so as far as the senior rates, um, I

4:04:37don't know that we're going to resolve

4:04:38that tonight. Do you do you want slashne

4:04:42additional information to consider? Do

4:04:44you want that to just come back as a

4:04:45work session item? Um, you know, we've

4:04:47got a little bit of time that the

4:04:49insurance doesn't stop until January

4:04:511st. So, we've, you know, we've given

4:04:53the members a heads up that that's

4:04:55happening and that we're talking with

4:04:56you because we didn't want them to just

4:04:58see this on the agenda and be surprised

4:05:00by that. So, they're aware some um but

4:05:02what's your preference in terms of that?

4:05:07>> I'd like to recognize council member

4:05:09Scott Johnson. She's the one that's sort

4:05:10of

4:05:10>> Yeah, I would like a little more

4:05:12information about

4:05:14um you know the different insurance

4:05:17companies going to offer different rates

4:05:19for the reimbursement, right? But maybe

4:05:22an average, you know, so we understand

4:05:24how the math works a little bit. um the

4:05:28number of hours I know you probably

4:05:30projected the number of hours it takes

4:05:32to do that so that you know we really

4:05:34have a very clear understanding of the

4:05:36impact because I think that's important

4:05:38for the public as well as the council to

4:05:41better understand that and then just to

4:05:44have a conversation

4:05:46um with the senior committee about you

4:05:50know the fitness programming at the

4:05:52senior center and the fitness

4:05:54programming at the MFC and understand

4:05:56where there might be some gaps and some

4:05:58opportunities. From their lens, I think

4:06:00would help us be more informed about,

4:06:04you know, if we expand the senior

4:06:06center, what we might want to include in

4:06:08order to offset some of the um changes

4:06:12that are occurring.

4:06:13>> Okay. Thank you.

4:06:14>> Yeah. So, it sounds like a little work

4:06:16session or something or brief. And I'd

4:06:19be interested in um knowing, it's my

4:06:22understanding, other towns are not

4:06:23really administering insurance anymore

4:06:26and that the residents

4:06:29um who want to use insurance can go

4:06:31through their own company and ask for

4:06:34reimbursement there. So, if you could

4:06:36have that information, too.

4:06:38>> The the challenge is we don't really

4:06:39have answers to what the insurance

4:06:41companies will and won't do because they

4:06:43won't share that with us. So there the

4:06:45members may be able to get that from

4:06:47their insurance company, but they're not

4:06:50I would describe them as the most user

4:06:52friendly groups. Um so we don't know

4:06:55necessarily that every single resident

4:06:57can just go and seek pay pay their

4:06:59membership and seek reimbursement. We

4:07:00don't know that and we're not going to

4:07:02find that out from the insurance

4:07:03companies, but we can bring you back

4:07:05some data um and share everything that

4:07:07we do know with you um to make it an

4:07:09informed conversation in an upcoming

4:07:11work session. and perhaps some of the

4:07:13other towns who discontinued might have

4:07:15some insight about whether or not their

4:07:16residents said, "Oh yeah, I can just get

4:07:18it from my own insurance." That might be

4:07:20digging a little deep though.

4:07:22>> I think it's been a while for them, but

4:07:23we can ask the question.

4:07:24>> Okay, any other questions for Cindy, the

4:07:27team on parks and rack at this time?

4:07:32Wonderful. Keep getting that data. We

4:07:34love it.

4:07:34>> Thank you all so very much.

4:07:36>> Thank you all very much. Can we give

4:07:37them a hand?

4:07:38>> Thanks, team.

4:07:46Now we're going to move on to item 12.

4:07:49We'll give them a moment to vacate.

4:07:51They've been very patient.

4:07:54Thank you very much for spending the

4:07:55evening with us everybody.

4:08:06>> So we have one public hearing this

4:08:08evening. We now invite Mark Spanoli,

4:08:10director of engineering, to the podium

4:08:12where he is standing right now. Sir, the

4:08:14mic is yours.

4:08:16>> Thank you, mayor, council members. Mark

4:08:18Spanoli, director of engineering. Thank

4:08:20you, Parks. That was a wonderful

4:08:21presentation. Hopefully, mine will be as

4:08:23exciting, but maybe not. Um, item 2026

4:08:26200 is a request for an encroachment

4:08:28agreement with Spark Infrastructure

4:08:30owner LP. Uh we're going to give you a

4:08:32presentation this evening followed by a

4:08:33short presentation by the applicant and

4:08:36uh we can have discussion after my

4:08:38presentation or after both

4:08:39presentations. So here we go.

4:08:43So just a little background. Spark most

4:08:45of you are probably aware is a property

4:08:47off the Mccrim Parkway um about half a

4:08:51mile down from uh Airport Boulevard. It

4:08:54encompasses over 100 acres of property.

4:08:56Um the development has moved to a new

4:08:58programming option which requires uh

4:09:01connection of several buildings uh with

4:09:03bridges that will uh encroach the public

4:09:06right away. The Morrisville UDO section

4:09:092.5.25

4:09:11outlines the requirements uh to uh get

4:09:15an encroachment agreement with the town

4:09:16of Morrisville. So we're going to go

4:09:17through some of those this evening. And

4:09:20uh we've already completed a

4:09:21pre-application conference uh received

4:09:23an application from the applicant and uh

4:09:26this has gone to the planning and zoning

4:09:27board and they have recommended approval

4:09:29of of the encroachments.

4:09:33All right. So just giving you a little

4:09:34context from aerial view. This is the

4:09:37actual uh Spark property outlined in

4:09:39red. You see McCrimman Parkway on the uh

4:09:41curving around on the right hand side of

4:09:42the screen. And uh this is a arrow

4:09:45showing some of the buildings that were

4:09:47built and we have some more more coming

4:09:49in the near future.

4:09:51And then digging down a little deeper,

4:09:53this this map uh shows the extent of the

4:09:57buildings and the parking deck and it

4:09:59shows the three bridge encroachments.

4:10:01There will be one conveyor bridge um

4:10:05encroaching over Spark View Drive and

4:10:07there'll be two bridges uh encroaching

4:10:10Stevens Park Drive. One of them will be

4:10:11a conveyor bridge and one of them will

4:10:13be a pedestrian bridge. The next few

4:10:16slides will show some of the technical

4:10:18details and the applicants presentation

4:10:20will have some better imagery because

4:10:22the ones I'm going to show you are

4:10:23pretty engineering like so in some

4:10:25respects may be hard to follow.

4:10:28Uh so this is a section of the proposed

4:10:31pedestrian bridge and like I said this

4:10:33one crosses Stevens Park Drive. Um it's

4:10:36going to be a steel bridge uh cladded

4:10:39with with glazing. And so it'll

4:10:40primarily look like from the outside a

4:10:42glass structure um [snorts] over topping

4:10:46Stevens Park Drive from one building to

4:10:47the other.

4:10:49Uh the next slide shows you kind of the

4:10:51internal I'll say skeleton or framework

4:10:54of the structure itself. Uh it's a steel

4:10:56bridge like I mentioned and it'll be

4:10:57cladded with glass. So you you'll

4:10:58basically from the outside you'll see

4:11:00the glass that I showed on the previous

4:11:01slide.

4:11:04Uh the next bridge is uh conveyor

4:11:07bridge. There'll be two conveyor

4:11:08bridges. Uh these will be cladded uh

4:11:11with materials similar to those that are

4:11:13of the buildings themselves. Um the

4:11:16conveyors will not be seen from the

4:11:18outside. That'll be totally internal to

4:11:20the structure of the bridges. Uh they'll

4:11:22be conveying materials from one building

4:11:24to the other.

4:11:26um these bridges and you'll see better

4:11:28renderings with the applicants

4:11:29presentation, but like I said, they're

4:11:31be cladded um with materials that are

4:11:33matching of the building and and all

4:11:34these um will meet all the UDO aesthetic

4:11:37requirements before final permits are

4:11:39issued.

4:11:41And again, this is just an internal view

4:11:43of the structure without the cladding.

4:11:45It's a steel bridge structure.

4:11:49So, getting into some of the

4:11:50requirements, um se like I said before,

4:11:52section 2.5.25 25 outlines the uh uh

4:11:56right ofway encouragement agreement

4:11:57approval process. Um the applicant is

4:12:00required to do a pre-lication conference

4:12:02which we've completed. The staff has re

4:12:05reviewed an application submitt from the

4:12:07applicant and we've accepted that. Uh

4:12:10we've already made a recommendation um

4:12:12to move forward with the encroachment

4:12:14agreement. We've scheduled

4:12:15[clears throat] public notices as

4:12:17required for the planning and zoning

4:12:18board and for this meeting. uh we've

4:12:20taken it to planning and zoning board

4:12:22and we've had a recommendation from them

4:12:23for approval and now we're here at town

4:12:25council for review and decision.

4:12:29Uh so going into some further details

4:12:31just so you're aware we don't we don't

4:12:32do a lot of these encroachment

4:12:33agreements. So I think the last one we

4:12:35had actually came in 2018. So just to

4:12:37give you a complete refresher um we do

4:12:39have specific requirements outlined in

4:12:41the UDO and I'll take you through some

4:12:42of them here. Um, right away

4:12:45approachment agreement approval if the

4:12:47town council determines the basically

4:12:48the following items that it complies

4:12:50with applicable district standards in

4:12:51article three zoning districts and

4:12:53applicable use standards in section 4.3

4:12:56accessory use and structures complies

4:12:59with all other applicable standards in

4:13:00this ordinance. Complies with the

4:13:01engineering design and construction

4:13:03manual compliance complies with all

4:13:05other applicable talent ordinances and

4:13:07state and federal laws and complies with

4:13:09all requirements and conditions of

4:13:10approval of any prior development

4:13:12permits or approvals. So, um, staff has

4:13:14already made all these reviews and has

4:13:15determined that it does meet these

4:13:17requirements.

4:13:20And just to go over some of the general

4:13:21summary items that were outlined in the

4:13:23actual encroachment agreement and and

4:13:25the agreement is um part of the item as

4:13:28an attachment. So, the minimum required

4:13:30bridge height clearance is 16 ft. This

4:13:32meets our requirements as well as NCDOT

4:13:34requirements. Uh, the bridge

4:13:36improvements shall be permanent

4:13:37inspected by the town of Morsco. Of

4:13:39course, um we are requiring annual

4:13:41bridge inspections um by a professional

4:13:44engineer. Bridges shall be designed to

4:13:46ensure pedestrian materials, equipment,

4:13:48and other means of transport that cross

4:13:50the bridges stay within the confines of

4:13:51the bridges. We don't want anything

4:13:52coming out of the bridges. We want

4:13:53everything confined within the bridges.

4:13:55Uh during construction, any road lane

4:13:58closures um shall be allowed without

4:14:00will without prior notice and approval

4:14:01by the town.

4:14:03Uh the applicant is obviously solely

4:14:05responsible for all maintenance, upkeep

4:14:06and repair of any bridge bridge

4:14:08improvements. Um there are no other

4:14:10ownership rights of the public right

4:14:12away, no other aerial rights or

4:14:14subsurface rights. This this agreement

4:14:16would just be for the actual bridges

4:14:18themselves. Uh obviously the bridges

4:14:20remain as private property to be owned

4:14:22and maintained by them. Uh the agreement

4:14:24also outlines emergency requirements

4:14:26related to anything dealing with

4:14:28accidents, damage, and communications

4:14:30with town emergency services when needed

4:14:32or if needed.

4:14:33Liability insurance is required

4:14:35throughout the duration in perpetuity.

4:14:38Um the applicant has to hold harmless uh

4:14:40and and identify the town and obviously

4:14:42the agreement will be recorded and run

4:14:44with the property um um in perpetuity.

4:14:50So based on the requirements outlined in

4:14:52the UDO, we're recommending approval of

4:14:53the encroachment with Spark

4:14:55Infrastructure for the three bridges.

4:14:57The town attorney has reviewed and

4:14:58approved the proposed agreement as to

4:14:59form and content. And as I mentioned

4:15:01before, planning and zoning board has

4:15:03has recommended approval of the

4:15:05encroachments.

4:15:08So we can have some staff discussion now

4:15:10if you like or we can take you through a

4:15:12short presentation by the applicant.

4:15:13It's up to you.

4:15:15>> Why don't we have hear from the

4:15:16applicant in case that answers any

4:15:18questions that might come up.

4:15:19>> Sounds great.

4:15:20>> Okay.

4:15:23>> And we have uh Matthew Carpenter from

4:15:25Parker Poe. is the attorney

4:15:27representing.

4:15:29>> Yes.

4:15:30>> Uh we'll entertain questions. I'll uh

4:15:32mayor Petra body first because she had

4:15:35her thing up.

4:15:35>> I'm fine to council member.

4:15:38>> Now my question is when you're saying

4:15:40encroach encroachment

4:15:43is this a public road or is it like a

4:15:45town road?

4:15:46>> Yes, both of these roads are town public

4:15:48roads.

4:15:50So they will not be enclosed outside

4:15:53like the spark will like from my

4:15:55understanding was at some point they

4:15:58will be enclosing it. They're not

4:15:59enclosing anything.

4:16:00>> No the bridge will over top the roadway.

4:16:02So the road will remain open but the

4:16:05bridges will pass over the public right

4:16:07away.

4:16:08>> There might be.

4:16:08>> So that's why these are considered

4:16:09encroachments.

4:16:11>> Yeah. And and how in the natural science

4:16:14museum has a bridge in the middle too.

4:16:17So, how did they do the same thing?

4:16:19Because that's a public

4:16:20>> likely with the city of Raleigh.

4:16:21>> Okay. All right. That's

4:16:24>> Thank you.

4:16:27>> Good evening. Matthew Carpenter with

4:16:29Parker Poe, 301 Fagetville Street here

4:16:32this evening on behalf of the developer

4:16:35and the applicant Trinity Capital

4:16:37Advisors. Got a couple folks with me

4:16:39this evening. Chris Vostic with Kinley

4:16:42Horn. Chris is our civil engineer. And

4:16:44Garrettson Brown with with Redgate.

4:16:47Redgate is overseeing the overall

4:16:49construction project. So, they'll be

4:16:50available if there are any specific

4:16:52questions. Um, appreciate Mark's

4:16:55introduction and and your time tonight.

4:16:57Uh, as he mentioned, this is a very

4:17:00narrow technical request uh for an

4:17:03encroachment agreement that's in the

4:17:05context of the overall Spark project

4:17:08which has been going on for several

4:17:10years going back to, I believe, as as

4:17:12early as 2020. Um and and the request is

4:17:15is for again an encroachment agreement

4:17:17to allow three bridges um to serve the

4:17:21project. If if you've seen in the news

4:17:23there there was a change with this

4:17:25project. Um there's a large tenant who's

4:17:27who's taking over a million square feet

4:17:30of the facility um for Pokemon card

4:17:32manufacturing. So it's a a pretty

4:17:34interesting use. Um, and I think you'll

4:17:36see through throughout the presentation

4:17:38that that the design and function of

4:17:40these bridges are really geared towards

4:17:43the specific needs of of the operator

4:17:46um, and and this type of facility.

4:17:49Um, and so Mark went through the

4:17:51standards in great detail, but uh, as

4:17:55mentioned, the encroachment agreement is

4:17:57is a little bit of an unusual request.

4:17:59It's not something you review often. Um,

4:18:01and so just to provide a little more

4:18:03context, it's obviously not a a

4:18:05reszoning request. Uh, that would be

4:18:08approving permitted uses on the

4:18:10property. It's also not a quasi judicial

4:18:12request. You know, something like

4:18:14variance or special use permit that you

4:18:16would review. Um, it's really an

4:18:18administrative request and and um and so

4:18:22what that means and the way that the UDO

4:18:24sets that up is there are those five

4:18:26standards that that Mark went through.

4:18:28Um, and if the accessory structure and

4:18:31the agreement meet those standards, then

4:18:34the the request should be approved. And

4:18:36so I'll go through those just in in a

4:18:38little more detail um and and explain

4:18:40how we're meeting each one. The the

4:18:43first standard is um that the structure

4:18:47complies with article three and section

4:18:504.3. Article three is the general zoning

4:18:54uh section of the UDO. So that's what

4:18:56creates the zoning districts. Um, and

4:18:58there's also the permitted use table

4:19:00that shows what uses are permitted in

4:19:02each district. The zoning here is

4:19:05business activity center with gateway

4:19:08overlay. So that's BAC go. Um, and the

4:19:13proposed use and the existing use for

4:19:15that matter is is manufacturing light.

4:19:18Um, and that is a permitted use in the

4:19:20BAC zoning district and and all three of

4:19:23these bridges will serve that principal

4:19:25use. So, we're we're clearly consistent

4:19:28with article three. Um, and then section

4:19:314.3

4:19:32requires some additional standards. Um,

4:19:35the most important of which is the

4:19:37encroachment agreement and and that's

4:19:39what's in your packet. Um, we appreciate

4:19:41staff's time. We we worked with the town

4:19:43attorney on that document. Town attorney

4:19:45did the initial draft. We went back and

4:19:47forth several times um and eventually

4:19:49arrived at at the final version that

4:19:52that's in your packet. And what that

4:19:54agreement does is as we were just as

4:19:56Mark was just mentioning answering

4:19:58council member Gary Mel's question um

4:20:01it's because we need the agreement

4:20:03because the bridges are above the public

4:20:05rideway. Um and so they technically

4:20:08encroach into the public street and so

4:20:10the town has to allow that encroachment.

4:20:13Um and the agreement only allows these

4:20:15encroachments with with strict

4:20:17conditions um that that are outlined in

4:20:19the agreement um including things like

4:20:23uh you know maintenance responsibilities

4:20:26and and all those other things that that

4:20:27you see um in the agreement.

4:20:32And so uh we also wanted to show you uh

4:20:36several renderings to to try to

4:20:37conceptualize better um how the what

4:20:40these bridges will look like. This is

4:20:42the pedestrian bridge. Um it it's you

4:20:46obviously can see a lot of glass on uh

4:20:49this rendering because the idea is that

4:20:52this bridge is really focused on moving

4:20:54employees between buildings. Um and and

4:20:57the idea is to reduce traffic congestion

4:21:00and improve safety for employees that

4:21:02are moving from building to building. Um

4:21:04and and these these renderings are

4:21:06conceptual. um they're they're not

4:21:09finalized, but I think the important

4:21:11takeaway and the requirement in the UDO

4:21:14is that these accessory structures, the

4:21:17bridges in this case, have the same or

4:21:20similar architecture to the the primary

4:21:22buildings. Um, and so that the way that

4:21:25the encroachment agreement is set up,

4:21:28um, we had to to be a little creative

4:21:30because the um, the UDO really

4:21:33contemplates encroachments like monument

4:21:35signs for neighborhoods or or much

4:21:37smaller things that it doesn't really

4:21:39address encroachments of this scale. And

4:21:41so we've set the agreement up um to so

4:21:45that all three encroachments will be

4:21:48approved tonight if if you approve the

4:21:49encroachment agreement. Um, but those

4:21:52bridges individually still have to be

4:21:54reviewed by staff for consistency with

4:21:57the UDO and the town's standard

4:21:59engineering specs. So, this would not

4:22:01approve each individual bridge. It would

4:22:03just approve the encroachments. Um, and

4:22:06then when each bridge is constructed, we

4:22:09would record a version of this agreement

4:22:10for that bridge um with with final uh

4:22:14drawings and and architectural

4:22:16renderings.

4:22:18Um, and so this is is a rendering of the

4:22:22materials bridge. Obviously, you can see

4:22:25um that it's more of a utilitarian

4:22:27bridge because it's focused on moving

4:22:29materials from building to building. As

4:22:32you can imagine with a manufacturing

4:22:34facility like this, there are a lot of

4:22:35materials. We heard a a really good

4:22:38question in planning board um which was

4:22:40will there be ink or other flammable

4:22:43materials over the conveyor bridge and

4:22:45the answer is no. um there there will

4:22:48not be hazardous materials and so I

4:22:50think that um you know helps with some

4:22:52concerns. I could see a potential

4:22:54concern with hazardous materials over

4:22:56the the public rightway.

4:22:59Um this is again another view of the

4:23:02materials bridge just trying to give you

4:23:03an idea of what that looks like. Um this

4:23:06is a rendering that that you know is

4:23:09more of a of a parking lot view. Um and

4:23:12we thought it helps show the scale of

4:23:14the project. You can see the street

4:23:16under the bridge. Um, and you know, like

4:23:19when I when I first started working on

4:23:20this and and was told we had three

4:23:22bridges open public rights away, I

4:23:24couldn't picture at all what that looked

4:23:26like. So, I think these examples help a

4:23:28little bit with understanding um what

4:23:31what that could look like. Again, you

4:23:33can see that that since this is a

4:23:35material bridge meant for conveyances,

4:23:38um you know, it's a little more closed

4:23:39in that there's not as much see-through

4:23:42glass there. Um, but it it's it's

4:23:44designed to complement the the

4:23:46architecture of the the manufacturing

4:23:48buildings.

4:23:50And then to sum up how we've met each of

4:23:52the required review standards, um, the

4:23:55first I went through that in in a lot of

4:23:57detail, the current zoning um, allows

4:24:01this use. The the bridges will serve

4:24:03that permitted principal use. Um, number

4:24:06two requires that that it complies with

4:24:08all other applicable standards in the

4:24:10ordinance. The Spartan project has site

4:24:12plans that date back to 2022. There are

4:24:15are several existing buildings on the

4:24:18property. Obviously, when those went

4:24:20through the site plan process, they had

4:24:22to be reviewed for compliance with the

4:24:23UDO um and then built consistent with

4:24:26the approved site plan. Uh we're also

4:24:29undertaking several minor modifications.

4:24:32That's the the vehicle that planning

4:24:34staff is using. Um where we we need to

4:24:37add buildings to the project or we need

4:24:39to tweak existing buildings. We're doing

4:24:41that through minor modifications to the

4:24:43original site plan approval. Um and then

4:24:46as I mentioned, each bridge will also be

4:24:48separately approved by town staff with

4:24:50with construction drawings um when when

4:24:53those bridges are ready to be

4:24:54constructed.

4:24:56And then number three complies with the

4:24:58engineering design and construction

4:25:00manual. Same thing there. um each bridge

4:25:03will have to comply with all UDO

4:25:05standards at at construction drawings

4:25:07and we're not requesting any

4:25:08modifications from UDO standards. So all

4:25:11those UDO standards will apply to the

4:25:13design and and construction of the

4:25:15bridges. Um number four complies with

4:25:18all other applicable town ordinances. Uh

4:25:20again each bridge will [clears throat]

4:25:22be reviewed for for consistency. Um, and

4:25:24then finally, the the structure must

4:25:27comply with all required requirements

4:25:29and conditions of of prior development

4:25:31permits. You know, I just went through

4:25:33those prior site plans. Um, I know

4:25:35planning staff when we uh submit

4:25:37construction drawings, they'll be

4:25:38confirming that our bridges uh, you

4:25:41know, meet and and comply with all the

4:25:43approved site plans and min minor

4:25:45modifications that are pending. So, um,

4:25:48with that, we we appreciate your time

4:25:49tonight and we respectfully request

4:25:51approval. Thank you.

4:25:59Are we ready for questions? Director

4:26:00Espanoli. Sure.

4:26:02>> Okay. We'll start with Mayor Pam Robati

4:26:04followed by Council Member Scarvis

4:26:05Johnson, please.

4:26:07>> My question is short. Are there any

4:26:10special licenses or um training that

4:26:15would be required in order to inspect

4:26:18and certify the safety of structures

4:26:22like this?

4:26:24>> So, uh what we're requesting in the

4:26:26agreement is that it's inspected

4:26:27annually by a professional engineer. Uh

4:26:30so a licensed engineer in the state and

4:26:31structural uh expertise would go and

4:26:33inspect the bridge just like we would do

4:26:35a lot of other bridges we have in town

4:26:36that are owned by the town the same way

4:26:38and see the would inspect their own

4:26:40bridges

4:26:40>> at this would happen at our expense or

4:26:43>> no this is at the at the developers

4:26:44expense.

4:26:45>> Okay. Um yeah that's all I have. Thank

4:26:47you.

4:26:49>> Council member Johnson followed by

4:26:51council member Patel please.

4:26:54>> Thank you so much for the presentation.

4:26:56Um, first thing that popped in my mind

4:26:58was height. Making sure that we don't

4:27:01have a situation like they do in Apex

4:27:03with the railroad uh tracks. Always

4:27:05taking out the semis kind of thing. And

4:27:08I would imagine that there are going to

4:27:10be large trucks that are going to carry

4:27:13materials both to and materials from

4:27:16this site as it is a light manufacturing

4:27:19site.

4:27:20>> 100%. Great question. We uh we actually

4:27:22are requesting that they uh meet a

4:27:25minimum requirement of 16 ft which is in

4:27:27accordance with highway standards so

4:27:29semi trucks and so forth could easily

4:27:30pass underneath and I think they're

4:27:32actually maybe proposing slightly higher

4:27:33than that officially but uh we're

4:27:35requesting a minimum of 60 ft.

4:27:38>> Yeah, I I wasn't able to really blow it

4:27:40out and see it very well. So I

4:27:42appreciate you

4:27:44>> providing that information. The other

4:27:45thing is there is there any requirement

4:27:50since this is a a public street that we

4:27:53have to notify

4:27:55you know

4:27:57transportation kind of you know channels

4:28:00that there is a bridge here so like

4:28:03companies that have high you know

4:28:06apparatus would know that they can't

4:28:09travel down this street.

4:28:11Uh, not that I'm aware of, but it

4:28:13wouldn't be any different than anybody

4:28:14traveling on an interstate highway. So,

4:28:16we're meeting the same requirements. So,

4:28:18at that point, um, I don't know if

4:28:20there's anything tall that would be

4:28:22passing through unless somebody was like

4:28:23moving a house across the track like the

4:28:25pew house, but that would be

4:28:26>> right, right? Something

4:28:28>> something, you know, like there are

4:28:31certain regulations or anything. And

4:28:33then the um last one is um I thought

4:28:36that um Spark uh campus was going to be

4:28:42technically a closed campus,

4:28:45>> a secured campus. So aren't these um

4:28:49bridges going to be constructed within

4:28:51that controlled campus?

4:28:56>> Yeah, I believe uh there there will be

4:28:58security measures and there will be

4:28:59controlled aspects of the campus. I'm

4:29:02not sure when the public roads will be

4:29:04controlled. I'd like Garrettson to to

4:29:06comment on that if you can.

4:29:12>> That's right. The the public street will

4:29:14remain open. The primary bike like

4:29:16fencing, if you will, will be around the

4:29:18buildings themselves. Um, and part of

4:29:20the way we we're securing our our

4:29:23buildings is by utilizing these these

4:29:25bridges. We keep them all material

4:29:27confined to them as well as the people

4:29:29to the extent we can. Exactly. Yeah. I

4:29:32mean, because the um illustrations

4:29:35didn't show like the perimeter fencing

4:29:38and where it ended and began. It just

4:29:40showed the renderings of the buildings

4:29:42and the proposed

4:29:43>> Yeah, those the the fencing wasn't

4:29:45captured in those renderings.

4:29:47>> Right. Okay. Well, thank you very much.

4:29:49It's all here.

4:29:51>> Council member Patel.

4:29:54>> So, very quick question. Um what are the

4:29:57how long what are the lengths of this

4:29:59pages? The length

4:30:01>> uh they vary the um

4:30:05they vary in length. I mean the the

4:30:07rideway width is is 50 feet. So they're

4:30:09going to be wider than that. Um there's

4:30:11one material bridge I would say is well

4:30:13over 100 feet in length. the

4:30:18>> I don't know the excuse me I don't know

4:30:21the the lengths off hand but the longest

4:30:23bridge will be if you're familiar with

4:30:25what origin two to origin one the two

4:30:27existing buildings those will be the

4:30:29longest or that will be the longest

4:30:30because it kind of wraps around has to

4:30:32go around that existing parking lot turn

4:30:35and and go over that way. So the ones

4:30:37going over spark view are the uh most

4:30:40straightforward. They should be more or

4:30:42less the same.

4:30:47Okay,

4:30:49I think that's

4:30:54>> So the maximum height for a truck

4:30:56allowed in North Carolina is 14 feet,

4:30:59right?

4:30:59>> I think it's 14 and change and that's

4:31:01why the minimum clearance for highway

4:31:03bridge is 16.

4:31:04>> Okay, so that gives me comfort. Um,

4:31:08council member Klin, please.

4:31:11>> I don't have any questions. um more so

4:31:14just a comment for the ether. Um I'd

4:31:16love to see renderings with day one

4:31:19plantings

4:31:20or um you know the existing plantings

4:31:23that are out there. I think often times

4:31:26you get a lot of the landscaping that oh

4:31:28that's what it'll look like you know

4:31:30when it's developed but

4:31:31>> sure um that's just a like I said either

4:31:34not really related to this. I just saw

4:31:36the rendering in here and um it's it can

4:31:39be a little

4:31:43can skew the the interpretation of a

4:31:45particular plan. I'm just

4:31:48doesn't I don't have any real questions

4:31:51about this.

4:31:52>> Yeah, the renderings that provided were

4:31:54pretty I'll say minimalistic. I didn't

4:31:56show a lot, you know, a lot of those

4:31:57details like landscape, but the um the

4:32:00entire project will have all of our

4:32:01landscape requirements included before

4:32:04we finalize anything on that property.

4:32:06Um I'm sure that the planning department

4:32:08will spearhead that effort.

4:32:11>> Thank you.

4:32:12>> Great. Council member Patel, did you

4:32:14have something else? Uh anything you

4:32:17want to share before I open the public

4:32:18hearing?

4:32:20>> Uh no, everything's great for me.

4:32:22>> Okay. This public hearing is now open.

4:32:23I'd like to invite anyone who has signed

4:32:26up or would like to speak on this

4:32:27subject to do so. Uh, town clerk

4:32:29Bertling, is anyone signed up?

4:32:31>> We do have one signed up speaker.

4:32:33However, I don't believe they are still

4:32:35here. Steve Ralph

4:32:38and we

4:32:39>> Mr. Would you like to come to the

4:32:41microphone?

4:32:42>> Seeing no,

4:32:43>> we have no online submissions.

4:32:46>> Okay. Would any of the applicant team

4:32:47like to say anything during the public

4:32:49hearing? Okay. I would entertain a

4:32:52motion to close the public hearing.

4:32:55>> I'll make that motion. I'll second.

4:32:57>> A motion from Tamarati, a second from

4:32:59Council Member Johnson to close the

4:33:01public hearing. All those in favor,

4:33:02please say I.

4:33:03>> I. Any opposed? Hearing none, that

4:33:05carries unanimously. 70. The public

4:33:07hearing is closed. Um, any further

4:33:11discussion or questions on this item.

4:33:14It is scheduled to return to us for

4:33:16action on August 11th. Um, but it's

4:33:18already gone through planning and

4:33:19zoning. Is that correct? Yes.

4:33:22>> Okay. Wonderful. Thank you very much for

4:33:24taking the time to come see us. We're

4:33:25looking forward to the campus and its

4:33:27output.

4:33:28>> Council, before we fully move on, I

4:33:30didn't hear too many questions or

4:33:32concerns tonight. Are you comfortable

4:33:34with this returning on consent?

4:33:37>> I'm seeing one, two, three, four. Yeah.

4:33:41>> Okay. It's a very good question. Thank

4:33:43you very much.

4:33:44>> Thank you,

4:33:44>> Dr. Espanol. Thank you very much.

4:33:46>> Thank you.

4:33:49We are now at item 13, future meetings,

4:33:52events, and resident involvement

4:33:54opportunities. For a full listing of our

4:33:55events, please see the town calendar at

4:33:57www.mmorrisvillenc.gov.

4:33:59I've already mentioned that

4:34:01Smorrisville. It's going to be August

4:34:0310th, which is the day before our next

4:34:04meeting. So, please make plans to do

4:34:06that. We'll now move on to council

4:34:08comments. Oh, and actually, we have a

4:34:10meeting on Thursday as well, work

4:34:12session. So, put that on your calendar

4:34:14and join us again. Moving on to council

4:34:16comments. Council member Patel will

4:34:18share first, then we'll be followed by

4:34:19Council Member Castley.

4:34:23Council member Patel, please.

4:34:27>> All right. So, uh, first of all, I want

4:34:29to, um, take a moment to extend my

4:34:32sincere congratulations and gratitude to

4:34:34our town staff. U,

4:34:38winning an all-American city award is an

4:34:41incredible honor for Morris.

4:34:44This award reflects the very best of who

4:34:46we are as a community. U and it also

4:34:50recognition

4:34:52like this doesn't happen by accident.

4:34:56It takes immense vision and effort. Uh

4:34:59it's a direct result of dedication and

4:35:01hard work behind the scenes. In

4:35:03particular, I would like to uh recognize

4:35:05Arin Hudson and the whole team who put

4:35:08so much energy into making this happen.

4:35:10So, thank you for your leadership, hard

4:35:13work, and for bringing this recognition

4:35:15home for our community.

4:35:19>> Thank you, Council Member Kesling,

4:35:20followed by myself.

4:35:22>> I would like to preemptively echo all of

4:35:24the great things that my fellow council

4:35:26members uh will say in their comments.

4:35:28Um,

4:35:30and that's my comment.

4:35:32>> Okay, perfect. Um, I'll speak and then

4:35:35Mayor Tamarbody, I prepared my remarks

4:35:37as always. Um, last week I had the

4:35:39opportunity to represent Go Triangle on

4:35:42the Regional Transportation Allianc's

4:35:43trip to Maryland where we took a close

4:35:45look at their bus rapid transit system.

4:35:47Not just the big picture, but the nuts

4:35:49and bolts level of how it actually

4:35:51works. They have a very robust system

4:35:53with dedicated lanes, level boarding,

4:35:54and many of the features we are working

4:35:57hard to bring here to Wake County. And

4:35:58was encouraging to see what's possible

4:36:00and how we can serve a growing region.

4:36:03Well, I also want to again thank our

4:36:05entire staff, especially Erin and our

4:36:07communications department for their

4:36:08passion and leadership in showcasing the

4:36:10years of work our staff, residents, and

4:36:12local businesses have put into making

4:36:14Morrisville an all-America city. It

4:36:17wasn't just a weekend's worth of effort.

4:36:18It was a sustained dedication over time,

4:36:20and earning this recognition for a

4:36:22second time is truly something our whole

4:36:24community can be proud of. A few

4:36:27upcoming events to highlight. Please

4:36:28mark your calendars for Sorrisville on

4:36:30Monday, August 10th. So, it is a fun

4:36:32opportunity to come together for some

4:36:33tasty treats and it happens to be the

4:36:35day before our next regular council

4:36:37meeting. The Triangle Area Hindu Temples

4:36:39are hosting their annual health fair on

4:36:41Saturday, August 8th with the blood draw

4:36:44coming up this Saturday at HSNC. So, if

4:36:46you're interested, you can simply search

4:36:48HSNC health fair for more information

4:36:50and to register. And for anyone who

4:36:53wants to learn more about our public art

4:36:55icon project or the progress of Wake

4:36:58County's bus rapid transit from Kerry to

4:36:59Morrisville and RTP, we'll be here this

4:37:01Thursday at 6 PM to share updates. With

4:37:04that, I'll turn it over to Council

4:37:05Member Rabati.

4:37:09>> I've recently been promoted to Mayor

4:37:11Pro.

4:37:11>> Woohoo.

4:37:14>> Sorry.

4:37:14>> That's okay. Um,

4:37:18yeah, I I won't be at the August 11th

4:37:21meeting. So, I did just want to express

4:37:22my support for the project that um that

4:37:26we just had the presentation about. And

4:37:29I know that I already said this, but the

4:37:32the the

4:37:35parks and wreck events this month have

4:37:36been fabulous. I've tried to get to as

4:37:38many as I can. Um it's really hard

4:37:41because they all occur smack in the

4:37:42middle of the business day, but just

4:37:44great events and and I love that they're

4:37:47so creative and new. every single thing

4:37:50they did we haven't done in town before.

4:37:53So just uh great job everyone.

4:37:57>> Oh and congratulations Lori. Um I

4:37:59understand you're you have a new firm

4:38:02and that's fantastic. Good luck.

4:38:06>> Council member Scotty Johnson followed

4:38:07by Council Member Garam Muller.

4:38:11I would just like to say that um

4:38:14Smoresville is the favorite event of

4:38:17mine all year long and I am excited to

4:38:21read the proclamation. I hope everybody

4:38:24um comes on out and celebrates the

4:38:26unique signature event of our town and

4:38:29also help celebrate their recent win as

4:38:32a recognition of the all-American city.

4:38:36So, thank you,

4:38:38>> Council Member Garamela, followed by

4:38:39Council Member Johnson, please.

4:38:42>> Uh, not a whole lot, but I sent Brandon

4:38:45uh text today um when I was reading the

4:38:48newspaper

4:38:49um a Mediterranean

4:38:52restaurant in Morrisville is ranked

4:38:54number 11 in the country. And I was kind

4:38:58of surprised because I've never been to

4:39:01and a lot of the people have never been

4:39:03to one restaurant.

4:39:05I can't remember

4:39:09>> yeah and uh it's it's near I think the

4:39:13Duke the old complex where the Duke is

4:39:17um so it's interesting when we have

4:39:21those kind of good news I think we

4:39:23should use that as an opportunity to

4:39:26publicize it that's thank you

4:39:29>> council member Johnson please

4:39:31>> so I I owe Cindy an apology I said O2

4:39:34fitness earlier. I said O2 Fitness was

4:39:38in Kerry and the parking lot was in

4:39:40Morsville. I got it totally confused

4:39:41with the other fitness center off of

4:39:44James Jackson. O2 Fitness is in the town

4:39:46of Morrisville. Totally. So, so I

4:39:49apologize to Cindy. She was very kind.

4:39:52She's probably looking at me like I was

4:39:53crazy. But um I'm also on European time.

4:39:57So I think it's 4:30 a.m. in the

4:39:59morning. So I am tired and that's my

4:40:01last comment. So, thank you.

4:40:04>> Welcome back. Um, town manager Zuda, do

4:40:07you have any comments or Zubima?

4:40:09>> Yeah, let's go with Zuda. Um, I'm going

4:40:12to turn to Kayla real quick just in

4:40:13regards to your um digital business

4:40:16cards.

4:40:17>> So, you'll recall last year we switched

4:40:19over to digital business cards as one of

4:40:22our sustainability efforts. While we're

4:40:24still promoting that as the sustainable

4:40:26choice, we have gotten some requests

4:40:28from council members for physical

4:40:30business cards. They're both physical

4:40:32paper business cards. Um, so if you have

4:40:35if you would like some paper business

4:40:37cards, just let me know. Um,

4:40:40additionally, we're just

4:40:43um making sure we still have all of our

4:40:46digital business cards as an asset.

4:40:48We're making sure there's still work.

4:40:49So, if you didn't bring it tonight,

4:40:51please bring your digital business card

4:40:52Thursday.

4:40:54>> Thank you. Can I ask a super quick

4:40:55question?

4:40:56>> Is there I have boxes of business cards

4:40:59already. Is there any objection to me

4:41:01continuing to hand out the old ones and

4:41:04not ordering new ones necessarily?

4:41:06>> No, not at all.

4:41:07>> Great. Thank you.

4:41:11>> Anything else from the leadership team,

4:41:12sir?

4:41:15>> Okay. Um,

4:41:19we'd like to thank everyone for watching

4:41:20the meeting that we just had. If you

4:41:23have any more questions about anything,

4:41:25please visit www.mmorrisvillenc.gov.

4:41:28go and please join us again on Thursday

4:41:31for our meeting. At this time, we're

4:41:32going to adjourn. Is there a motion and

4:41:34second to adjourn this evening's

4:41:35meeting?

4:41:36>> I will make that motion.

4:41:39>> Motion to adjurnn from mayor Pat, second

4:41:41from council member Patel. All those in

4:41:43favor of adjourning, please say I.

4:41:45>> I. Any opposed? Hearing none, that

4:41:47carries unanimously. 70. Thank you very

4:41:49much. We all adjourned. It is 10:28.