2026-09-22 - Town Council Regular Meeting

16:23Well, the room kind of sensed that we're

16:25coming to order. So, let's do that

16:28officially. I call the September 22nd,

16:312026 meeting of the Morrisville Town

16:32Council to order. We ask those in

16:35attendance tonight to please silence

16:36your cell phones. Thank you to those

16:38here in person with us tonight, those

16:40watching via liveream, and those who are

16:42watching the recording of this meeting.

16:43Our town mission statement, which helps

16:45guide our decisions tonight and into the

16:47future, is connecting our diverse

16:50community to an enhanced quality of life

16:52through innovative programs and

16:53services.

16:55Sergeant Strickland, right there in the

16:56back, is our sergeant-at-arms for this

16:58evening's meeting. We thank you for your

17:00attendance

17:01this evening. I'll be leading our

17:02invocation.

17:05As we gather this evening, we are

17:08reminded of how deeply we are connected

17:09to one another and to this community we

17:12are privileged to serve.

17:15Let me say that. Sorry, emphasized that

17:18wrong. As we gather this evening, we are

17:20reminded of how deeply we are connected

17:22to one another and to this community we

17:24are privileged to serve. Tomorrow marks

17:27the first day of autumn, a season of

17:29change, reflection, and gratitude. Just

17:32as the seasons turn, we continue growing

17:34together as an all-America city, finding

17:36new ways to live connected and live

17:38well. This past Friday evening, our

17:41international festival once again

17:42brought our community together in such a

17:44joyful way, filled with music, dance,

17:47and the shared experiences that make

17:48Morrisville so special.

17:51And as we look ahead, we're excited for

17:53a busy and meaningful holiday season,

17:55including our Morrisville Diwali

17:57celebration on Saturday, October 17th.

18:00And every Saturday morning, without

18:01fail, our community comes together at

18:03the Western Wake Farmers Market to shop,

18:05to socialize, to enjoy live music, and

18:08simply to be in each other's company.

18:10These moments remind us that belonging

18:12is not an abstract idea. It is something

18:15we create week by week, event by event,

18:18season by season. As we begin tonight's

18:22work, may we do so with appreciation for

18:24the people who who make Morrisville a

18:26vibrant, welcoming community and with a

18:28continued commitment to ensuring that

18:30all who call this place home feel

18:32connected, supported, and included. So,

18:36we're uh fortunate to have a group of

18:37people from group of young adults from

18:40the Boy Scouts of America joining us

18:42tonight. I'm going to ask them to come

18:44up and approach the stage and sort of

18:47get in information right over there. So

18:49stand come over there and then if the

18:52rest of the audience could also go ahead

18:54and rise for the pledge of allegiance.

18:57Nope. Just kind of in front here would

18:58be fine

19:01because you want to be able to face the

19:02flags.

19:08We've not had a group this large uh to

19:12help us with a pledge before. So we

19:14appreciate your patience for a second.

19:16We also see the Legion folks out there.

19:18They've already risen. If the rest of

19:20the audience could please rise for the

19:21pledge of allegiance, we'd appreciate

19:22it. All who are able.

19:35>> Ice

19:37to the flag of the United States of

19:40America and to the republic for which it

19:42stands. One nation under God,

19:45indivisible, with liberty and justice

19:47for all.

19:49>> Thank you. You may all be seated. Thank

19:51you.

20:31So before before we adopt tonight's

20:33agenda, town council policy is to review

20:35and ensure there are no conflicts of

20:37interest or appearance of conflict of

20:38interest with any items on the agenda.

20:40If you noticed anything in the agenda

20:42that could be a conflict or looked like

20:43one, please share that now.

20:48Okay. Um I believe that there is an

20:51interest in possibly adjusting the

20:53agenda to add a close session for

20:55attorney privilege um in order to

20:58discuss the western rank farmers market

21:00agreement. Um I guess we could just do

21:04that on consensus or do you want to say

21:06anything about that?

21:08recognize council member Kesler.

21:10>> Uh I would have a motion to pull it from

21:13the consent agenda.

21:15>> Okay.

21:16>> Second

21:18>> and add it as a close session later in

21:20the evening.

21:21>> Yes. Okay. I have a motion and a second.

21:24Any discussion on that?

21:28>> Council member Johnson. So, it was um my

21:32understanding

21:34um that the discussion could happen in

21:37public and I would hope that that would

21:39happen. Um I would like to be on record

21:45um so the folks from the West White

21:47Farmers Market can hear that

21:49conversation. So, I'm not sure White

21:51House be in close session.

21:54>> I would answer that because there's uh

21:56dollar values and a contract involved.

22:02I still think that should happen in our

22:04session.

22:05>> Okay. Thank you. So, I have a motion and

22:08a second, I guess, to adopt this

22:10evening's agenda. Would that change? Is

22:12that a proper motion? Um, journey.

22:14>> Yes, sir.

22:15>> Okay. All those in favor, please say I.

22:18>> Hold on. Yeah, please.

22:19>> I I don't know what we're adopting. I

22:21would also not be a horse to having it

22:23in an open session.

22:27We could discuss it both places if that

22:30would be helpful.

22:32>> Council, may I re make a recommendation

22:34that you adopt this evening's agenda.

22:37Then we'll move on to the consent

22:38agenda. You can pull it adopt the rest

22:41of consent agenda. If there's an open

22:43session discussion to be had, we can

22:45have it at that time and then we can

22:47motion to amend the agenda to add a

22:49close session if that's how you wish.

22:51So, I would recommend we start by just

22:52adopting [clears throat] the agenda as

22:54presented. That sounds like a plan.

22:58>> Thank you.

22:59>> Okay. Would you like to uh retract your

23:02motion then? I guess for just to make it

23:05clear and easy.

23:06>> Yes. Are we adopting the consent agenda

23:09with the

23:10>> No, we're just adopting the agenda in

23:12general right now. Consent agenda will

23:14be next. And

23:15>> yes,

23:15>> we'll get into that. Okay. Uh, Council

23:18Member Kesling has uh retracted his

23:20motion. So, now I'm looking for a clean

23:23motion to just simply adopt this

23:24evening's agenda as presented.

23:28>> I'll make that motion.

23:29>> Second.

23:30>> I have a motion from Council Member

23:31Johnson, a second from Mayor Petody. All

23:33those in favor of adopting the agenda as

23:35presented, please say I.

23:36>> I. Any opposed?

23:38>> Hearing not that carries unanimously.

23:4070. We have an agenda.

23:43Um, there are three items on our consent

23:46agenda. Approval of August Town Council

23:48meeting minutes, resolution authorizing

23:50a lease extension/update of the Western

23:53White Farmers Market Agreement, and

23:54resolution authorizing a lease extension

23:56update to the Morrisville Community

23:58Garden agreement. Would any council

24:00member wish to pull any item for

24:01discussion? Like to recognize council

24:03member Kesler?

24:04>> Wish to pull the resolution authorizing

24:06a lease extension update of the Western

24:09Farmers Market Agreement. Okay,

24:12that is pulled for discussion. I'd

24:14entertain a motion to adopt those other

24:16two items at this time.

24:20>> I'll make that motion.

24:22>> I'll second.

24:22>> Okay, I have a motion to adopt the

24:24consent agenda less that one item. Uh

24:27motion from council Johnson, second from

24:29body. All those in favor, please say I.

24:31I. Any opposed? Hearing none that

24:34carries unanimously 70. Um, at this time

24:37I'd like to recognize council member

24:38Kesling and we can start a discussion

24:40then decide if we need to go into have

24:42close session as well.

24:44>> Yes. Um, I was hoping to discuss some of

24:48the terms of the uh agreement

24:52which I assumed was attorney client

24:55privilege since we're talking about a

24:56lease contract.

24:57>> Okay.

24:59>> That would be under close session.

25:00>> Okay. I'd like to recognize Council

25:02Member Johnson if there's anything you'd

25:03like to share um in open session.

25:07>> Okay. Yes. Um um it is my understanding

25:12that um there had been negotiations

25:15between our staff and the Wester farmers

25:18market and there was agreement

25:21uh to extend the contract at this time

25:25knowing that there were some differences

25:30in agreement in negotiation and that um

25:33both parties agreed that we would they

25:36would we the town and the West Wright

25:39Farmers Market would continue those

25:41discussions over the next ensuing

25:43months. It was my hope that um now

25:47during this point where we have it off

25:49consent that um we would kind of direct

25:54staff um to not kind of but we would

25:57direct staff to

25:59to come up with a time frame and a

26:02timeline so that this would be uh this

26:05negotiation would be done in a more

26:08timely fashion. Um because I know there

26:11was some concern about getting to a July

26:161 date and being in the same boat we're

26:19in now where we have to do another

26:20extension. It is my hope that we do not

26:23do that and that if we can come to some

26:26agreement ahead of time that we can even

26:29amend the the contract ahead of time.

26:31you don't have to wait until this

26:34contract expires that this council can

26:37choose um to amend that contract before

26:40July 1st. So that was my hope that we

26:43could share that with the public and

26:45with the western rank farmers market. um

26:48that again I'm going to repeat again

26:50that we the council would direct our

26:53staff to come up with this process with

26:55a timeline and a time frame when council

26:58would be included um when our input

27:01would be um uh um surveyed into that

27:05whole process and then we could all

27:08together move forward in a a good

27:11solution because this is an important

27:13partnership. Western Wake Farmers

27:15Market. I was on council when we started

27:18that partnership and it was important to

27:20me all those years ago and it's

27:21important to me today. Um so that was my

27:25hope and that needs to happen in public

27:29and I I personally don't see a need to

27:32have a conversation in close session

27:34tonight. Um I think there's more to come

27:38and I personally need some more

27:40information as well. Um and that would

27:43be part of this process moving forward.

27:47I'd

27:47>> like to recognize council member strong

27:49Johnson, please.

27:52So I I wanted to discuss like material

27:58um issues with the amounts that the

28:03farmers market provides to the town and

28:05the town provides to the farmers market

28:08in close session just because it's more

28:10sensitive to economic development. But

28:13if council member Johnson wants us to do

28:16all the questioning um publicly and the

28:21western weight farmers market does not

28:23um feel like that is a problem because

28:27they had those discussions previously

28:30then I do have some questions about

28:32terms of the contract before I feel

28:34comfortable approving it that are

28:36financial in nature.

28:41Did you want to say anything

28:45before you get to go? I think that it be

28:49um beneficial to address those issues

28:52and have the council give their input

28:53tonight. I think that we have

28:54information from the agenda packet and

28:57the additional u item that the town

29:00manager provided to us. So, I think we

29:02have what we need to move that process

29:04forward rather than waiting to next July

29:06or later um to make sure that the market

29:10continues to um exist and keep going. Um

29:14[clears throat] does anyone want to say

29:15anything before we have a second round

29:18of people?

29:19>> So, I'm confused about this process.

29:22Mayor,

29:24>> I have questions.

29:25>> Yes.

29:26>> When are those questions going to be

29:29asked and answered? Is that in close

29:31session or do you want it in open

29:33session? Because I have questions and if

29:35you just want to move things along and

29:36approve a contract without giving me the

29:38opportunity for those questions, I don't

29:41know when I'm going to ask those

29:42questions. Can you clarify?

29:44>> Not yet. Not until we hear everyone's

29:46thoughts. Uh, Council Member Johnson

29:48wanted to speak again.

29:49>> So, first we're talking about process

29:50and that's just what we're talking

29:52about.

29:52>> Okay. Because I don't want you to hurry

29:54up a vote knowing that I have questions.

29:58I I definitely want to vote tonight

30:02and I would like to go into close

30:04session later in order to do that and we

30:06would vote after the close session after

30:08the discussion amongst the council

30:09members.

30:10So, I I think it's important that

30:13everybody be clear on whether we're

30:15going to have their our questions

30:18now or later because member Johnson

30:22wants to have them now so that we get

30:25that information out across everyone.

30:29>> Yep. I was trying to give her the

30:30opportunity to

30:31>> I just thought you were rushing. I I

30:33felt we were rushing. So,

30:34>> Yep. I understand that perspective. It

30:36was not my intention to rush it at all.

30:38Just hoping that we will vote tonight.

30:42Council member Patel, did you want to

30:44speak?

30:45>> So

30:47only question I have is that do we have

30:49to vote in open session or can then

30:53>> if we go to discussions in closed

30:55session and if you want vote tonight

30:58then how would that happen?

31:00>> We can come out of close session and

31:02still be in open public session.

31:04>> Okay, that's good. Thank you. Y

31:08Okay. So, um

31:12would you like to make a motion to

31:13create a close session or I can

31:17>> um Yes, I can make a motion to uh for

31:24this uh resolution authorizing a lease

31:26extension update of the western white

31:28farmers market agreement to be discussed

31:29in close session. Okay, motion council

31:33member Gland. Is there a second?

31:38I'll make that second. All those in

31:40favor, please say I. I. Any opposed?

31:47That carries unanimously. 70. So, we

31:49have added close session. Um, and we'll

31:52do that later. And there is our my hope

31:56that we will go ahead and after the

31:58close session come back into session in

32:01open session, vote on this um item.

32:05Okay,

32:10thank you very much everyone.

32:13We are now at proclamations. We have one

32:15proclamation this evening. Council

32:16member Johnson will read the

32:17proclamation recognizing Veteran Suicide

32:19Awareness Month.

32:21>> Did we skip the approval of the consent

32:23agenda?

32:24>> We already got the other two earlier

32:26before we had this further discussion.

32:31>> So,

32:32>> okay. So, I have the pleasure now of

32:35reading the proclamation recognizing

32:37September as veter veteran suicide

32:40awareness month. And we have some very

32:43special guests here tonight. After I

32:45read the proclamation, I'm going to ask

32:46you all to come forward um here on the

32:49podium so I can present you with the

32:51proclamation.

32:53Whereas the United States owes an

32:55enduring debt of gratitude to the men

32:58and women who have served in our armed

33:01forces defending our freedoms with

33:04courage, honor, and sacrifice. And

33:08whereas far too many of our nation's

33:10veterans face invisible wounds,

33:13including post-traumatic stress,

33:16depression, and other mental health

33:18challenges, which can place them at

33:21increased risk for suicide. And whereas

33:24the loss of even one veteran to suicide

33:28is a tragedy that impacts families,

33:32friends, and communities across our

33:34nation. And whereas raising awareness,

33:37reducing stigma, and in ensuring access

33:41to timely, effective mental health care

33:45are essential steps in preventing

33:47preventing veteran suicide.

33:50And whereas the American Legion through

33:53its be the one program at Lowe's Grove

33:57Post 416 has led local efforts to

34:01eliminate the stigma related to mental

34:03health treatment and in turn lower the

34:07number of veterans lost by suicide. And

34:10whereas September is recognized

34:13nationally as suicide prevention month,

34:16and we dedicate this month to honoring

34:19our veterans by renewing our commitment

34:22to their well-being and ensuring they

34:25know they are never alone.

34:28Now, therefore, the town council of the

34:30town of Morrisville does hereby proclaim

34:34September 2026

34:36as Veteran Suicide Awareness Month in

34:39Morrisville, North Carolina, and

34:41encourages all residents to learn the

34:44warning signs of suicide, reach out to

34:47veterans in need, and support programs

34:50that promote mental health and

34:53resilience. And here in front of us

34:55tonight are our very very special

34:58guests. These are members of our um

35:01American Legion Lowe's Grove Post 416.

35:05And I am um honored to be able to

35:07present you with this proclamation.

35:10>> Can we get all the council up here for a

35:12quick photo?

35:13>> Sure.

35:25>> [clears throat]

35:40>> Send that to him.

35:57Thank you very much.

35:58>> Thank you.

36:01>> Turn it on. First one.

36:02>> Thank you, Caleb. I I just want to thank

36:04everybody very much, especially the

36:07council members tonight. Thank you so

36:08much for recognizing uh September as

36:12Veterans Suicide Awareness Month. It's a

36:14cause near and dear to our heart and

36:16we're very proud to call Morrisville our

36:19home and we thank you very much for your

36:21support.

36:22>> Thank you. Thank you.

36:28>> Are we still We're still shooting.

36:58tonight especially the room is chopped

37:00filled with people willing to serve. So

37:03we do really appreciate that.

37:06Next on the agenda is Morrisel Speaks,

37:08which is our public comments section.

37:11For those who have signed up to speak,

37:12please approach the microphone and begin

37:14by stating your name and residential

37:15address and direct your comments to the

37:17council as a whole. Each speaker is

37:19allotted three minutes to ensure

37:21everyone has a fair opportunity to share

37:22their thoughts. A timer will start after

37:25you state your name and address, and a

37:26buzzer will sound when your time is up.

37:29We appreciate your cooperation and

37:30helping us manage time fairly for all

37:32participants. I'd like to ask uh town

37:34clerk department at this time if we have

37:36anyone signed up for public address.

37:38>> We do. And first is Stephanie Reed.

37:40>> Okay.

37:43>> Good evening. I think

37:46>> it's higher than that.

37:47>> Good evening council. I'm Stephanie Reid

37:50aka C Shanty Stef residing at 1672

37:54Legendary Morrisville.

37:57Tonight I want to follow up on my

37:58earlier remarks when I referenced Eddie

38:00Murphy's classic Mr. Robertson's

38:02neighborhood. Eddie Murphy made us laugh

38:05at a painful reality. How lower income

38:07residents get displaced and gentrified

38:10right out of their own homes. But since

38:12then, I've been reading The Color of Law

38:13by Richard Rothstein. It makes clear

38:15that the punchline runs even deeper.

38:18Displacement and gentrification aren't

38:20just modern accidents of the free

38:22market. They trace directly back to

38:24explicit housing policy, racial zoning,

38:27restrictive covenants, and FHA

38:28redlinining that intentionally

38:30segregated American violation of the

38:3213th, 14th, and 15th amendments. This

38:35wasn't de facto segregation driven by

38:37private or organic choices. It was dur

38:41segregation driven by government mandate

38:44at the federal, state, and local level.

38:46And it will take all three levels of a

38:48government to undo what was done in the

38:50past because we still am inside that

38:52map. It's why our schools are more

38:54segregated today than they were 40 years

38:56ago. It's because the neighborhoods

38:57feeding them are segregated. Consider

38:59what proactive integration could have

39:01meant for our region. Less spraw,

39:02smarter density, more walkable towns,

39:04lower infrastructure costs, fewer health

39:07care disparities, and better school

39:08equity. Wake County Public Schools

39:10wouldn't need extensive busing from

39:12southeast Raleigh to the northern

39:13western suburbs. In Durham, the historic

39:15black community of Hay Thai might not

39:17have been demolished for the Durham

39:19freeway. Mistake Durham is now working

39:21to reverse. These are the lasting

39:24repercussions of poorly made past policy

39:26decisions. When the Fair Housing Act

39:29passed in ' 68, it banned future

39:31discrimination, but it didn't undo the

39:33wealth gap that decades of segregation

39:36had already built between black and

39:37white families. Telling black families

39:40they can now buy in majority white

39:42suburbs means little if those suburbs

39:43have spent decades pricing them out.

39:45Today, race neutral policies, single

39:48family zoning mandates, highway heavy

39:50transportation budgets over public

39:52transit and lowincome tax credits that

39:54concentrate in already segregated

39:56neighborhoods continue to reinforce

39:58those own old lines implicity. I want to

40:01commend this council for unanimously

40:02approving the LIT tech senior housing

40:04proposal in May. That's a step in the

40:06right direction. True affordability has

40:09to be integrated across every

40:11neighborhood, not isolated in one pocket

40:13of town, which simply recreates

40:15segregation in a new form. This is why

40:17EMB policy matters by ending

40:20exclusionary zoning and legalizing

40:21missing middle housing in every

40:23neighborhood, including our wealthiest

40:25ones. We expand supply, lower costs, and

40:27open up enclaves that have stayed closed

40:29for 80 years. Morrisville's vision

40:32commits to a community that celebrates

40:34diversity and inclusion. Zoning reform

40:36is how we make that vision real, not

40:38just aspirational. Segregation was built

40:40locally and must be dismantled locally.

40:43I show up Tuesday nights and participate

40:45in citybuilder because no one was meant

40:47to live on the margin. Now it's

40:49council's turn to lead on true

40:50integration. Thank you.

40:54>> Thank you. Uh town clerk Bartling.

40:56Anyone else signed up?

40:58>> Next is Siron Sedona.

41:09Good evening.

41:10>> Good evening,

41:10>> Mayor and Council members. I'm Saran

41:13Sundar from 105 Haymonwood Place,

41:16Marsville, and I'm here tonight to ask

41:19for your consideration for appointment

41:21to the public safety advisory committee.

41:25My particular interest is in the

41:26intersection of public safety and public

41:29health issue issues such as substance

41:31misuse, youth safety, mental health

41:34created crisis, tobacco and vaping

41:37prevention, and community education.

41:41If appointed, I would approach the

41:44committee as a listener first. I would

41:46want to learn from our police officers,

41:50firefighters, town staff, fellow

41:52committee members, and residents and

41:55then contribute where my personal,

41:58medical, and public health background

42:00can add value. I would be honored to

42:03serve and I respectfully ask the council

42:07to consider my application while filling

42:10the upcoming appointment. Thank you very

42:13much.

42:15>> Thank you.

42:18Next we have Janice Crawford, the

42:21Western Wake Farmers Market.

42:25>> Hello again. Good evening, mayor,

42:27council members, and town staff. I'm

42:29Janice Crawford, the president of the

42:31Western Wake Farmers Market Board of

42:32Directors. We're located at 101 Town

42:35Hall Drive. I'm here primarily tonight

42:37to introduce you to our new market

42:38manager, Kelly Howard, and we're very

42:41excited to have her joining us. and I'll

42:43let her tell you a little bit about

42:44herself in just a second. I also wanted

42:47to give you a brief update on our lease

42:49renewal. Uh on August 10th, we submitted

42:52our proposed renewal package to the

42:54town, and we understand that more time

42:56is needed to evaluate that. Last week,

42:59we had a very productive meeting with

43:01Assistant Town Manager John Lenty and

43:03parks and recreation director Cindy

43:05King, and we agreed to meet monthly to

43:09to work on the proposal and to try to

43:11come to some uh consensus together. We

43:14really appreciate that offer, and we

43:17look forward to the discussions that

43:19we'll have as we work toward a mutually

43:21beneficial agreement. So, thank you

43:23guys. I also want to tell you as we

43:25developed our proposal, we also took the

43:27opportunity to look at how other farmers

43:29market in the Wake County area, how they

43:32partner with our municipalities. We

43:34summarized what we learned in a short

43:36white paper and that's included in our

43:38August lease proposal submission. And we

43:41hope that this provides some useful

43:42regional context as we work together on

43:45our next agreement. So, in some we're

43:47excited about the future of Western Wake

43:49Farmers Market, our education garden

43:52headed up by Donna and our continued

43:54partnership with the town of of

43:56Morrisville. And with that, I'm very

43:58pleased to introduce you to our new

44:00market manager, Kelly Howard. Thank you

44:02guys.

44:04Hi, I'm Kelly Howard. I graduated from

44:08Appalachin State last December, so I'm

44:11new to the area. After I graduated, I

44:14spent the last eight months working in

44:18an agricultural field. So, I started at

44:21an online food hub where I got to be a

44:24part of the operations behind the scenes

44:27and build connections with farmers to

44:30further understand what they go through.

44:32It was very interesting to be a part of

44:35the system like that. I also worked at a

44:38farm, so I got more experience there.

44:41And I

44:46I um interviewed for this place and I

44:51could immediately feel the warmth and

44:54community that the board had created.

44:56And when I was accepted, I was thrilled.

44:59In the last month that I've been here, I

45:02have built amazing connections and I am

45:06very excited for what the future brings.

45:08I have met people that I've built

45:11community with in the town, through the

45:14staff, through the council, as well as

45:16the mayor. So, I'm very excited for

45:19working with you all. And thank you.

45:23>> Thank you.

45:26That is the end of our signed up

45:27speakers and we had no audience

45:29submissions.

45:30>> Okay. Thank you. Thank you to everyone

45:31who has spoken. If anyone in the

45:33audience did not sign up and would like

45:35to address the council, please come

45:37forward to the microphone stand, state

45:38your name and residential address and

45:40you'll have up to three minutes to share

45:41your com comments. Does anyone else want

45:44to avail themselves of that opportunity?

45:48Okay. Thank you very much. That

45:50concludes that agenda item. As a

45:53reminder, we encourage the submission of

45:54written comments as they offer a

45:56valuable way for community members to

45:57share their feedback. To submit written

46:00comments, please email public input at

46:02morrisvillec.gov.

46:05And at this time, I'm going to need a

46:06second to get on my computer um because

46:08we're going to start the next part of

46:10our meeting, which is a a little bit

46:12different. It's a quasi jud judicial um

46:16item. So, that's item 10A. We're going

46:17to start with resolution approving a

46:19special use permit for West Wakeake

46:21solid waste facility. We'll have Rachel

46:23Cipher come to the microphone to

46:26facilitate this item, please.

46:43Sorry. Good evening, mayor and council

46:45members. Um, this is the special use

46:47permit for 414 uh aviation parkway um

46:51that was heard at the September 8th

46:53meeting that you will be voting on

46:54tonight. Um there's no updates um from

46:57the last presentation with this item.

47:02>> So, I'm going to read a few words here.

47:06This hearing is an evidentiary hearing.

47:08That means it is like a court hearing.

47:10State law sets specific procedures and

47:13rules concerning how this council must

47:15make its decisions. These rules are

47:17different from other types of land use

47:19decisions like resoning cases. The

47:21council's discretion is limited. The

47:24board must base its decision on upon

47:27competent, relevant, and substant

47:30substantial evidence in the record. A

47:32quasi judicial decision is not a matter

47:35of personal opinion. It is a decision

47:37constrained by the standards in the

47:39development regulation and based on the

47:41facts presented. If you will be speaking

47:44as a witness, please focus on the facts

47:46and standards, not personal preference

47:48or opinion. Participation is limited.

47:52This meeting is open to the public.

47:54Everyone is welcome to watch. Parties

47:56withstanding have rights to participate

47:58fully. Parties may present evidence,

48:01call witnesses, and make legal

48:03arguments. Parties are limited to the

48:05applicant, the local government, and

48:06individuals who can show they will

48:08suffer special damages. Other

48:11individuals may serve as witnesses when

48:13called by the board. General witness

48:15testimony is limited to facts, not

48:17opinions. For certain topics, this board

48:20needs to hear opinion testimony from

48:22expert witnesses. These topics include

48:24projections about impacts on property

48:26values and projections about impacts of

48:28increased traffic. Individuals providing

48:31expert opinion must be qualified as

48:33experts and provide the factual evidence

48:35upon which they base their expert

48:37opinion. Witnesses must swear or affirm

48:40their testimony. For those who were

48:42sworn in on September 8th, I remind you

48:44that you are speaking under oath. You're

48:46still speaking under oath. At this time,

48:48we will administer the oath for all

48:49individuals who intend to provide

48:51witness testimony who are not sworn in

48:54on September 8th. I'd like to recognize

48:56the clerk at this time to do that part.

48:59>> Is there anyone here tonight who was not

49:01sworn in on September 8th who will be

49:03speaking this evening?

49:06>> Great. Thank you.

49:12>> We'll swear you in now just to make it.

49:14So, if you'll come forward and sign in

49:16for me, please

49:22[clears throat]

49:54Do you solemnly swear or affirm that the

49:57evidence you shall give the board in

49:58this action shall be the truth of the

49:59whole truth and nothing but the truth

50:01shall help?

50:03Okay.

50:03>> Thank you.

50:07Thank you, Council Clerk Bartling. And

50:09now we invite Rachel Cipher, Planer 2,

50:11to the podium once again. Before you

50:13begin, if you could please confirm that

50:14you were sworn in.

50:16>> I was.

50:16>> Okay. Thank you. Proceed.

50:21>> Well, now it's back to me, right? Okay.

50:22Deliberation or did you want to say

50:24anything else?

50:24>> Yeah, there's no updates with this item

50:26from the last meeting.

50:28So, um, does the board have any more

50:30questions for the parties or witnesses

50:32before we move into deliberation?

50:35We had the opportunity at the end of

50:37last time and now we have the staff and

50:40the applicant here. Okay.

50:45Now, there's more I'm going to read.

50:47Does any board member have personal

50:49knowledge of additional facts relevant

50:50to this case that should be entered into

50:52the record?

50:56Seeing none hearing no additional

50:58questions or presentation of relevant

50:59facts, the board will now continue

51:01deliberation. The evidentiary hearing

51:04remains open so the board may ask

51:05clarifying questions if needed. As a

51:08reminder, if this council is tasked with

51:09deciding if based on the evidence

51:11presented, this proposal meets the

51:14applicable standards. This decision

51:16cannot be based on the personal

51:17preference of council members. Rather,

51:19it is based on standards and evidence.

51:21Council members are encouraged to

51:23reference the applicable standards and

51:25specific evidence in the deliberations.

51:28So at this time, if anyone would like to

51:30share anything, um I would recognize

51:32you.

51:35I would just say that I believe that the

51:37um applicant has uh substantively

51:41supported that they met the seven

51:43standards and I think that uh this will

51:45benefit the community to have this um

51:48facility here in Morrisville's

51:51area. Um

51:54and not seeing anything else, we can

51:57entertain a motion if we could go ahead

51:58and put that on the screen. There we go.

51:59If we could read that in full. Before

52:01you make the motion, I just wanted to

52:03let you know on advice of the town

52:05attorney, the final decision document

52:07that mayor you will sign based on this

52:09resolution, it's just going to update

52:10the resolution to list the witnesses.

52:13Um, I just want to make you aware of

52:14that before you make the motion. Thank

52:16you.

52:16>> Okay. Thank you very much. Um, so who

52:21would like to be recognized to read the

52:22motion?

52:29I'll recognize council member Garamo,

52:31please.

52:35I'm going to approve a motion to adopt

52:37resolution 2026-291-0

52:40of the Morrisville Town Council

52:42approving a special use permit for a

52:45major utility facility used to

52:47accommodate the future development of

52:49the West V solid waste facility at 414

52:54Aviation Park uh V County PIN 0755462

53:02762

53:05Qua-26-000012.

53:11>> I'll second.

53:12>> I have a motion from council member

53:13Garamela, a second from council member

53:15Johnson. All those in favor, please say

53:16I.

53:17>> I.

53:17>> I.

53:18>> Any opposed?

53:20Hearing none. That carries 70

53:21unanimously.

53:23So I get to say resolution 2026-291-0

53:27will serve as the written decision and

53:29will be provided to the applicant and

53:31other parties with the right to such

53:33notice. Parties have 30 days to appeal

53:35this decision. Um this is the end of the

53:38September 22nd discussion and as was

53:40mentioned by the town clerk, she'll be

53:42updating the resolution. I'll be signing

53:44that and we're putting this one to bed.

53:46And we really appreciate the time and

53:47the effort and the staff time that you

53:49all put into all the hard work and all

53:51the hard work that's coming forward as

53:53you guys develop this facility. But

53:54thank you for coming out and visiting us

53:56twice and we look forward to a great

53:58facility here in Morrisville. Thank you

53:59very much.

54:20So, it was funny. I was talking to the

54:22Boy Scouts earlier outside and they were

54:23like, "Well, we need to have something

54:25contentious that we have to be able to

54:26write about." And there hasn't really

54:27been anything contentious tonight. So, I

54:29apologize for that. But that's a good

54:31important facility for us. At this time,

54:34we're going to go on to presentations.

54:36We have one presentation this evening.

54:37We now invite Brett Martin,

54:39transportation project manager, to the

54:40podium. Bless you,

54:43Mr. Martin.

54:46>> All right. Thank you. Good evening,

54:49Mayor Collie and members of town

54:51council. Brett Martin here,

54:52transportation project manager with the

54:54town.

54:55Um, and we are going to catch you up on

54:57some more work that has been done with

54:59the comprehensive transportation plan

55:01update. Um, we last came back to you on

55:05this in June uh to share our spring

55:07engagement results when we solicited

55:09input from the public on overall modal

55:11priorities, project evaluation

55:13priorities for each mode and

55:15transportation improvement project

55:17concepts. We also covered our review of

55:20the CTP project prioritization framework

55:22and results for the roadway and

55:24intersection project concepts included

55:26in the CTP universal projects for that.

55:29and we shared the preliminary assignment

55:31of roadway crosssections to specific

55:33roadway segments throughout the

55:35comprehensive transportation plan update

55:37study area. And for tonight's item, I

55:40will share with you results of our

55:41greenway prioriti prioritization

55:43exercise, which we did not cover with

55:45you in June. We will then cover the

55:47proposed cross-section schematics that

55:49lay out the actual roadway elements and

55:51dimensions for each roadway in the CTP

55:54study area. Up to this point in the plan

55:56development process, we have been

55:58focused on the what, where, and why in

56:00terms of transportation improvements

56:02throughout the town. But with the

56:04development of the implementation plan,

56:05we are transitioning to the who, when,

56:08and how for those improvements, and we

56:10will cover that with you. We also will

56:12hit on the recommendations from staff

56:14for priority intersections we are

56:16proposing to carry forward for further

56:18study focused on operational and safety

56:20issues and potential improvement.

56:23provide a briefing on a couple of other

56:25tasks town staff has commenced that are

56:28related to the CTP and then we will talk

56:30about the next steps uh in the process

56:33and turn it over to you for discussion

56:34and feedback.

56:37Just to reorient you real quick to where

56:39we are in the overall CTP update

56:41process. We have moved the needle a

56:42little bit since June and are pretty

56:44much in the zone of refining and

56:46finalizing our action plan and

56:47documentation and moving closer to

56:49consideration of plan adoption. But we

56:51do have a few more steps to go before

56:53getting there. And to zero in on where

56:56we are in our project recommendations

56:58development process in terms of

57:00development, prioritization and

57:01programming of actual project concepts,

57:04we are in the final stage of that

57:06process.

57:08Okay. So let's get into the greenway

57:10prioritization framework and results.

57:11And I will go through this component of

57:13the presentation pretty quickly because

57:14while it informed the implementation

57:17plan for the Greenway project concepts

57:20among other considerations, it really is

57:22not as important to the CTP as where the

57:25Greenway project concepts landed for

57:27time frames of implementation.

57:30And to start, I'd like to reiterate what

57:32informed the development of the Greenway

57:34prioritization framework. O overall it

57:36was influenced and informed by the CTP

57:39guiding principles, the range of

57:40feedback received from engaged parties,

57:43uh identify deficiencies and external

57:45funding program criteria and areas of

57:47emphasis. Similar to the roadway and

57:49intersections prioritization framework,

57:51the greenway framework aims to balance

57:53the interests of the town and those

57:55external funding parties uh to better

57:58position improvements for funding

57:59opportunities. With respect to

58:02greenways, external funding parties

58:04focus on safety, cost, cost

58:06effectiveness, demand based on density,

58:09accessibility and connectivity,

58:10overcoming major barriers, and filling

58:12gaps through a balanced local and

58:14regional lens. While these are also

58:16important to the town, there was

58:18additional focus on access to

58:20recreation, educational opportunities,

58:22community points of interest, and

58:23transit through a local lens. I would

58:26also like to note that there are several

58:28proposed bike and pedestrian facilities

58:30such as uh side paths that are

58:33recommended in the actual roadway rights

58:35of way and those were prioritized

58:37through the separate roadway and

58:38intersection prioritization processes

58:40which included a bicycle and pedestrian

58:42effectiveness scoring criteria. So, in

58:45the greenway prioritization, you will

58:46not see the on-road facilities involved

58:49or included in that because, well,

58:51they're included in the roadway

58:53projects.

58:55To provide a connection between the

58:56prioritization criteria I will touch on

58:58in a moment, I just want to quickly

58:59recap what we heard from the public

59:01regarding bike priorities. In response

59:03to our survey in the spring, when we

59:05asked which criteria are most important

59:07for prioritizing bicycle and pedestrian

59:08projects, the two factors that rose to

59:10the top were safety and filling gaps in

59:13the existing network, which outweighed

59:15multimodal connectivity, activity center

59:17access, and benefit versus cost.

59:21And how did public feedback influence

59:23the prioritization framework? Well, in

59:25the criteria development, filling gaps

59:27and access to prominent origins and

59:29destinations were given more emphasis.

59:31We also included a specific public

59:33outreach criterion and the actual

59:36definition of the metrics which dictate

59:38how the criteria were measured was also

59:40influenced by community feedback. For

59:42greenways, you will not see as much

59:44emphasis on safety because greenways are

59:47inherently safer than facilities in the

59:50roadway. And uh you know safety features

59:53for how they interact with roadways are

59:55more of a project level design

59:56consideration than a project concept

59:59consideration.

1:00:01And here are the criteria used for

1:00:03greenway prioritization and their

1:00:05respective weights. I'm not going to go

1:00:07into each of these for this

1:00:08presentation, but from this you will see

1:00:09the emphasis on filling gaps in access

1:00:11to different types of prominent origins

1:00:14and destinations.

1:00:16And also keep in mind that we'd need to

1:00:18balance the criteria with those of

1:00:19external funding programs like the campo

1:00:21lap program or the NC DOT spot and stip

1:00:24development process.

1:00:27And the results of the greenway

1:00:28prioritization were included in your

1:00:30agenda packet as attachment one. And as

1:00:32you might expect from the criteria, the

1:00:35highest priorities or are greenway

1:00:37segments that provide completely new

1:00:38connections that are not served by

1:00:40alternative means or they involve

1:00:42connections to more activity centers.

1:00:44The highest priority scoring segments

1:00:46include Milspring Greenway from

1:00:48Paramount Parkway to Wake Tech, a

1:00:51proposed Church Street Park to Research

1:00:53Triangle Park Greenway, which we are

1:00:54still working with the Research Triangle

1:00:56Foundation and Fujifilm to evaluate its

1:00:58conceptual feasibility, the Lexi Lane

1:01:01Greenway from Northwest Kerry Parkway to

1:01:03Northwest Maynard uh Maynard Road. the

1:01:06Stirup Iron Creek Greenway from Serell

1:01:07Grove Church Road to Aviation Parkway

1:01:10and smaller connectors to the Mill

1:01:12Springs Greenway in the Wake Tech area

1:01:15and to the Fair Fair View Greenway at

1:01:18Aviation Parkway in Liberty Hill Pence.

1:01:21And please note that prioritization is

1:01:23an important tool for projecting and

1:01:25timeline planning, but it is only one of

1:01:28many factors that drives recommendations

1:01:30for the order of project delivery, which

1:01:32I will address a bit later.

1:01:36Okay, so let's get into our proposed

1:01:39recommended roadway cross-section

1:01:41schematics.

1:01:43And to start for this, I do want to

1:01:44quickly review what purpose these serve

1:01:46before we get into them. These show

1:01:49exactly what roadway elements are

1:01:50proposed and recommended, including

1:01:51their dimensions and overall space

1:01:53needs. They provide a guide for future

1:01:55infrastructure development throughout

1:01:57the town for the town itself, NC do

1:02:00developers and other implementers of

1:02:02projects or improvements. For the

1:02:04proposed crosssections, we put an added

1:02:06emphasis on improving safety and

1:02:09accessibility to roadway rights of way

1:02:10for all users and modes. The

1:02:13crosssections are also how the town

1:02:14aligns street design with land use and

1:02:17community character. And the proposed

1:02:19cross-sections aim to balance NC DOT's

1:02:21interest with those of the town. as many

1:02:23of our roadway facilities are NCDOT

1:02:26maintained and serve both a local and

1:02:28regional travel purpose.

1:02:32So, moving on, the cross-sections were

1:02:34included in your agenda packet as

1:02:35attachment two, and there is a total of

1:02:3819 cross-sections that were built from

1:02:40five base cross-section types,

1:02:44which include a two-lane undivided

1:02:47section, a two-lane divided section, a

1:02:49threelane undivided section, a fourlane

1:02:52divided section, and a sixlane divided

1:02:54section.

1:02:56And to yield the 19 total crosssections,

1:02:59various configurations of sidewalks,

1:03:01side paths, bike lanes, and on- street

1:03:03parking were added to those five bases.

1:03:07There has been some discourse among town

1:03:10council and staff throughout the plan

1:03:11development process regarding rights of

1:03:13way for updated cross-sections and

1:03:15whether they would entail additional

1:03:17space and to continue to stay a breast

1:03:19of that. The ride-of-way needs for all

1:03:23updated cross-sections fall within the

1:03:25previous applicable ride-of-way ranges

1:03:27as indicated in the 2019 CTP, but are

1:03:30all above the minimum of those ranges.

1:03:32So, we're within the range, but they're

1:03:34all above the minimum of those ranges in

1:03:36the 2019 CTP.

1:03:38I would also like to note that specific

1:03:41sides of roadway elements for segments

1:03:43with asymmetrical configurations will be

1:03:45noted in the CTP document, but that is

1:03:47not something that is noted for each

1:03:49cross-section as it applies to specific

1:03:51roadway segments in your attachment too

1:03:55just in case there's a question there.

1:03:58for roadway cross-sections assignment to

1:04:00specific roadway segments. There are

1:04:02some notable changes that are now

1:04:04recommended that vary a bit from what

1:04:07you saw in June. We added bus lanes to

1:04:09accommodate the Wake BRT western

1:04:11corridor extension.

1:04:13While the 2032 opening year plans do not

1:04:16include bus lanes along the alignment,

1:04:18they are included in the 2055

1:04:20Metropolitan Transportation Plan for

1:04:22implementation within the 2035 to 2045

1:04:25decade. The ultimate solution proposed

1:04:28for more uh for McCreman Parkway which

1:04:32is a significant part of the alignment

1:04:34is to include those bus lanes and retain

1:04:36the side paths but not carry forward the

1:04:39existing bike lanes. However, the bike

1:04:41lanes and side paths are recommended to

1:04:43remain sorry the bus lanes and side

1:04:46paths are recommended to remain sorry

1:04:48the bike bike bike lanes and bus lanes

1:04:50I'm getting confused here. The bike

1:04:52lanes and side paths are recommended to

1:04:55remain until the bus lanes are

1:04:56implemented.

1:04:58So for Morseful Carpenter Road, we have

1:05:01gone back and forth on whether it should

1:05:02include side paths or bike lanes. And

1:05:04where we landed as a recommendation is

1:05:06for the ultimate solution to include

1:05:08side paths. But because there are

1:05:11significant rideway constraints, a high

1:05:13cost and effort of implementing side

1:05:15paths as an individual project, and a

1:05:17low likelihood of near-term development

1:05:19and redevelopment along the extent of

1:05:20the facility, we recommend, oh, sorry,

1:05:23we recommend an interimm solution of

1:05:25including bike lanes.

1:05:27We now recommend Church Street to be a

1:05:30three-lane undivided section from

1:05:31Carolina Street to Mason Farm Road and

1:05:33two-lane undivided north of Mason Farm

1:05:36Road. We previously recommended it to be

1:05:38a three-lane undivided section from

1:05:40Carolina Street all the way to the

1:05:41northern town boundary, but with its

1:05:44position abuing the railroad north of

1:05:46Mason Farm Road, there isn't much of a

1:05:48need for a two-way left turn lane um in

1:05:50the middle there. So, that was taken

1:05:53out. And the last notable change I'll

1:05:56mention is we did take a good amount of

1:05:58time to coordinate with the research

1:05:59triangle foundation and Fujifilm on the

1:06:01extension of Town Hall Drive northward

1:06:03to connect to Providence Place as well

1:06:05as a concept to connect Providence Place

1:06:07to Davis Drive near Little Drive with a

1:06:09new location roadway. However, that

1:06:12coordination

1:06:14or through that coordination, it is not

1:06:16something Fujifilm would like to

1:06:18entertain or support as it plans for

1:06:21that campus would not do well to

1:06:23accommodate those connections.

1:06:27And moving on to some important

1:06:29overarching details for the range of

1:06:30cross-sections. All bike lanes where

1:06:33they are included are 5t wide with a

1:06:35three foot wide buffer between them and

1:06:38the travel lanes for motor vehicles.

1:06:41Travel lanes are 11 feet wide, which is

1:06:43a one foot in width reduction from the

1:06:452019 CTP. Sidewalks are six feet wide,

1:06:48which is a one foot in width increase

1:06:50from the 29 uh 2019 CTP. Side paths are

1:06:5410 feet wide. Bridges between roadway

1:06:56curbs and sidewalks are 5t wide. Center

1:06:59turn lanes where included are 12 feet

1:07:02wide. Two-lane divided roadway medians

1:07:05are 18 feet wide and four lane divided

1:07:07roadway medians are 23 feet wide. On

1:07:10street parking stalls are eight feet

1:07:12wide and bus lanes are not assigned to a

1:07:15specific side of a roadway as that would

1:07:17be determined through specific project

1:07:20level feasibility study as BRT projects

1:07:23move through project development.

1:07:25Instead, bus lanes on applicable roadway

1:07:28sections are assumed to be taken from a

1:07:3142- ft median with bus lane

1:07:33implementation to accommodate a final

1:07:35configuration of either center running

1:07:38or outside running bus lanes.

1:07:41All right,

1:07:43so let's move into the proposed

1:07:44implementation plan for the CTP update.

1:07:48As previously mentioned, the

1:07:49implementation plan is focused on the

1:07:50who, when, and how for recommended

1:07:52transportation projects and

1:07:54improvements. The who is the entity

1:07:55assumed to be responsible for one or

1:07:58more steps for advancing a project from

1:08:00planning to delivery. The when is the

1:08:03time frame the projects are recommended

1:08:04for delivery or at least to be a focus

1:08:07of implementation for the town. And the

1:08:09how is very much about the source of

1:08:11funding to support projects but also how

1:08:13projects are defined into implementable

1:08:16segments with independent utility and

1:08:19strategies for delivering them. The

1:08:21draft implementation plan is included as

1:08:23attachment three in your agenda packet.

1:08:28And I do have some very important notes

1:08:30to cover for the implementation plan

1:08:32before diving into its details. It is

1:08:34first important to point out that

1:08:36project prioritization is not

1:08:38projecting.

1:08:40Going back to June, we shared project

1:08:42prioritization results with town council

1:08:44planning and zoning board and other

1:08:46groups. With it being understood that

1:08:47prioritization is a tool used to

1:08:50identify the greatest needs against a

1:08:51set of criteria based on current

1:08:53conditions regardless of more specific

1:08:56feasibility considerations.

1:08:58While programming is informed by

1:09:01prioritization, it is also influenced by

1:09:03many other factors such as funding

1:09:05availability, project readiness, project

1:09:07efficiencies, partner coordination,

1:09:10planned future conditions,

1:09:11implementation feasibility,

1:09:13environmental issues, and others. High

1:09:16priority does not necessarily mean a

1:09:19project can or should be implemented

1:09:21right away.

1:09:23Also the who, when, and how for projects

1:09:26as well as their feasibility and the

1:09:28funding sources assumed for them are

1:09:30heavily influenced by the scale, effort

1:09:33and cost of the projects. Smaller

1:09:35projects are more suitable for town

1:09:36funding and technical capacity for

1:09:38implementation and larger projects are

1:09:40more suitable for external funding

1:09:42sources and external party technical

1:09:44capacity for implementation.

1:09:47I would also like to note that most bike

1:09:49ped projects or improvements that are

1:09:51within roadway rights of way are not

1:09:53broken down into individual projects

1:09:55separately from overall roadway

1:09:57projects. I mentioned that earlier.

1:09:59These are assumed to be provided over

1:10:00time as development or redevelopment

1:10:02occurs or they are assumed to be

1:10:05implemented with the roadway projects.

1:10:07Many roadway improvements will also be

1:10:09peacemeal over time as development

1:10:11occurs and that's kind of the nature of

1:10:12the CTP. You get a little bit from

1:10:14developers, you and then you get to a

1:10:16point where you can actually fund the

1:10:17whole thing. Some of it's done for you

1:10:19because it's been done by developers and

1:10:20then you get the money and you implement

1:10:22the rest of it. And lastly, this CTP

1:10:25update builds from the projects included

1:10:27in the 2019 CTP and progress made to

1:10:29date on those prior recommendations. The

1:10:32CTP update was not scoped to start over

1:10:34from scratch. Included in your agenda

1:10:36packet as attachment four is a status

1:10:38update on projects included in the 2019

1:10:41CTP and indicates whether any of those

1:10:44are proposed to be removed or if any new

1:10:46project concepts are proposed to be

1:10:48added.

1:10:50Okay, so let's get on to how the

1:10:53proposed conceptual projects are

1:10:55organized into the time frames laid out

1:10:57in the implementation plan. The first

1:10:59tier time frame for project

1:11:01implementation is the immediate term

1:11:03which is within five years of CTP update

1:11:05adoption and this tier intends to

1:11:07capture what the town is already

1:11:08focusing on for further study and

1:11:10implementation or will within the next

1:11:13five years. What is included in this

1:11:16tier is meant to be reasonably limited

1:11:18because of constraints on financial

1:11:20resources and technical capacity. As the

1:11:23CTP update development process has

1:11:25uncovered, the town's transportation the

1:11:28town transportation networks most

1:11:30pressing deficiencies manifest at

1:11:32intersections and a number of

1:11:34intersection improvements are included

1:11:35in the immediate turn. These include

1:11:38Slater at Surell Grove Church Road, NC54

1:11:41at Morsville Parkway, NC54 at Keybridge

1:11:43Drive, Church Street at Treybrook,

1:11:45Jeremiah and Downing Glenn, Downing

1:11:48Glenn at Town Hall Drive, and Davis

1:11:50Drive at Morseful Carpenter Road. One

1:11:52roadway project falls into this tier,

1:11:55which is the Morsville Parkway access

1:11:56management improvements project, which

1:11:58also includes some intersection

1:11:59improvements at Morseville Parkway and

1:12:01Davis Drive. And there is one greenway

1:12:03project which is a connector to the

1:12:05Crabtree Creek greenway from a desired

1:12:07signalized pedestrian crossing across

1:12:10Aviation Parkway at or near the entrance

1:12:12of HSNC.

1:12:15The near-term time frame which is within

1:12:1710 years of CTP update adoption includes

1:12:20a wider range of identified project

1:12:22concept needs. For the sake of time, I

1:12:24won't really dive into each of these,

1:12:25but I do want to note that the town has

1:12:27already taken some steps needed to

1:12:28implement some of the greenway projects

1:12:29listed, including pursuit of funding

1:12:31opportunities to begin implementation on

1:12:33the north end of the stirup Iron Creek

1:12:35Greenway in accordance with the reason

1:12:37feasibility study completed for it back

1:12:39in I think it was a couple of years ago

1:12:41and implementation of a significant

1:12:43segment of the Mill Spring Greenway

1:12:45through development of a school site on

1:12:47Paramount Parkway. So, between Paramount

1:12:48Parkway and Wake Tech. I also would like

1:12:51to note that grade separated bike peg

1:12:53connections from Kits Creek Road to NC54

1:12:56and Barbie Road to NC54 are included in

1:12:58the near term in conjunction with these

1:13:01other improvements and the triangle

1:13:03bikeway to considerably improve east

1:13:05west bicycle and pedestrian connectivity

1:13:07and travel on the north side of

1:13:09Morrisville. Another point I would like

1:13:11to make about the near-term time frame

1:13:13is one way to think of these near in the

1:13:15near term is with a CTP update roughly

1:13:18every five years. The next time the CTP

1:13:20is updated after this current update,

1:13:23these projects would naturally be those

1:13:25assessed and considered for immediate

1:13:28term implementation because in five

1:13:30years, you know, that that five years

1:13:33becomes immediate term.

1:13:36All right. So for the midterm projects,

1:13:38the main takeaway I want to

1:13:41uh point out here is and this is within

1:13:4415 years of CTP uh update adoption is

1:13:46that it includes a number of roadway

1:13:48widening projects in accordance with

1:13:49their recommended phasing in the Campo

1:13:512055 metropolitan transportation plan,

1:13:54which is the primary driver for why they

1:13:55landed in this tier. However, for the

1:13:58airport boulevard extension phase 2

1:14:00project concept, we recommended putting

1:14:02that in the midterm time frame ahead of

1:14:04when it is recommended for

1:14:05implementation in the MTP because of its

1:14:08importance to the town for better

1:14:10facilitating east east west connectivity

1:14:12and for airport boulevard extension

1:14:14phase one to really realize its ultimate

1:14:18purpose sooner.

1:14:20And in this year, we also have the

1:14:21completion of the sty stirrup Iron Creek

1:14:23uh greenway between Airport Boulevard

1:14:25and Aviation Parkway.

1:14:28The long-term time frame is the last

1:14:30tier, which is within 20 years of CTP

1:14:32update adoption. This tier also includes

1:14:34a number of roadway projects in

1:14:36accordance with their recommended

1:14:37implementation phasing in the 2055

1:14:40Metropolitan Transportation Plan. Uh,

1:14:42one point I would like to make about the

1:14:44projects in this tier related to NC54 is

1:14:46the proposed implementation plan breaks

1:14:49up the widening of NC54 between Western

1:14:52Parkway and McCreman Parkway into two

1:14:54separate segments to focus on

1:14:57implementation on two different time

1:14:58frames. The widening of NC54 from Weston

1:15:02Parkway to Aviation Parkway is included

1:15:05in the midterm time frame. So if we go

1:15:07back here, sorry, it's it's listed here

1:15:10and it's in the implementation plan in

1:15:11the midterm and widening from Aviation

1:15:14Parkway to McCreman with intersection

1:15:16improvements that may involve a grade

1:15:18separation at Aviation Parkway uh Morsel

1:15:21Carpenter Road is included in the

1:15:22long-term time frame. This is because

1:15:25these two widening project concepts have

1:15:27independent utility and differences in

1:15:30competitive merits on their own with the

1:15:33segment from Weston Parkway to Aviation

1:15:35Parkway being the most competitive and

1:15:38important piece to implement based on

1:15:39traffic analysis and impacts.

1:15:42One note I would like to pass along for

1:15:44the time frame tiers to which projects

1:15:45were recommended of all those that I

1:15:47went through is the current draft of the

1:15:49implementation plan does not really do

1:15:51much to explain the why behind projects

1:15:54placement among the tiers and staff will

1:15:57be working with the CTP update

1:15:58consultant to provide more of that

1:16:00explanation in the implementation plan

1:16:01document to lay out more of that why.

1:16:06Okay. And moving on to public transit

1:16:08projects. There are a number of BRT

1:16:10projects included based on their

1:16:11implementation phasing in the 2055 NTP.

1:16:14The Wake BRT western corridor extension

1:16:16which is scheduled for opening year

1:16:18before 2035 falls in the near term. The

1:16:23Davis Drive BRT

1:16:25is phased for implementation within the

1:16:272045 horizon and falls in the long term.

1:16:30The Airport Boulevard is phased for

1:16:32implementation within the 2055 horizon

1:16:35and also falls in the long term. and a

1:16:37transit transfer facility that could go

1:16:40beyond just serving as a BRT station

1:16:43near the intersection of NC54 and

1:16:45McCreman Parkway is also included in the

1:16:48long-term tier. At the more local

1:16:51service provision level, smart shuttle

1:16:52node locations will be programmed in

1:16:54accordance with the node prioritization

1:16:55plan to be considered by town council

1:16:58this fall and all of those are included

1:16:59in the immediate term tier.

1:17:02All right. So, moving on from the CTP

1:17:05itself and and we're gonna get into a

1:17:08couple of other a few other things that

1:17:10we have cooking with this. Um, so we'll

1:17:13move to the intersections we want to run

1:17:14by you for a priority intersection

1:17:16assessment study that the town will be

1:17:18kicking off soon. Uh, we have scope to

1:17:21do further investigation of specific

1:17:22operational and safety issues and and to

1:17:25develop.

1:17:27>> Can you want questions as we go or at

1:17:29the end?

1:17:31uh up to I mean we can do questions if

1:17:33we want to have questions on the

1:17:35implementation what what I just covered

1:17:36with the CTP we can probably go ahead

1:17:37and do that before I move on. Yeah.

1:17:40>> Recognize council member Garamela.

1:17:44>> Thank you.

1:17:45>> Thanks Brett. Um I'm looking at one

1:17:47particular one. I'm looking at the

1:17:49pedestrial u sidewalks on Davis and

1:17:54Macan. uh with the high school coming

1:17:57there sidewalk around that is the um U

1:18:035747B

1:18:05covering that or how how is that getting

1:18:09resolved?

1:18:11>> So up there at at at Little and Davis

1:18:14Drive for the new high school site,

1:18:17U5747

1:18:18is not addressing that. U 5747 does have

1:18:22some intersection pedestrian

1:18:24improvements at Parkside Valley included

1:18:27in in it as betterments, but it doesn't,

1:18:30you know, it there there's no impacts

1:18:32that far north.

1:18:34>> No, I'm saying not not on the uh not on

1:18:38Little Road at all. I'm talking of Davis

1:18:41and Merman.

1:18:42>> There's no sidewalk. Um, and so when the

1:18:47Macan extension is getting done, does

1:18:50that resolve the issue? Because I want

1:18:53the kids to be freely biking from the

1:18:57high school to say Kids Creek or

1:19:00Providence or Town Hall, you know, and

1:19:03right now there isn't. So I'm not seeing

1:19:06either it's getting resolved or I'm

1:19:09seeing the big gap here. So that's what

1:19:11I wanted to. So on on McCrimman for the

1:19:14project limit extents of U5747 which is

1:19:18McCreman widening from west of Davis

1:19:21Drive to Perimeter Park. Yes, there will

1:19:24be an 8 foot

1:19:26sidewalk/multi-use

1:19:28path on the north side for the entire

1:19:30extent and then there will be a five

1:19:32foot sidewalk on the south side for the

1:19:34entire extent. And what about

1:19:39Okay. So,

1:19:41so we already have a walkway on the

1:19:43north side uh towards the Harry Studio

1:19:46side uh where there's a sidewalk till I

1:19:49think uh Little Drive. Uh what are we

1:19:54doing about u

1:19:58intersections where those things are not

1:20:01safe? like are we doing those

1:20:04intersection improvements as part of the

1:20:05macre because they have to cross almost

1:20:08like six lanes to go to the other side.

1:20:12>> Yeah. And and I was going to talk more

1:20:14about what where we're going with the

1:20:17intersection um improvements or

1:20:20intersection assessment. So that is that

1:20:23intersection does have sidewalks and

1:20:25crosswalks in it in the design for the

1:20:28improvements for McRman Parkway

1:20:31widening. I know it's going to be a

1:20:33confusing intersection. There's going to

1:20:35be in some cases multiple phases for

1:20:38people to have to cross um partially

1:20:41because of the the northbound lanes are

1:20:44coming over to be closer to where so

1:20:46that they don't have a conflict in

1:20:47turning left.

1:20:49>> Um

1:20:51you know that project is designed it's

1:20:54well far along now it's getting close to

1:20:57100% design um with that much traffic

1:21:01that has to be facilitated there I I

1:21:05hear you but when when the project came

1:21:07to us we were very specific and what we

1:21:10were told was there will be airlines in

1:21:13the middle that you know you can stop

1:21:17and then proceed so and that's part of

1:21:20the intersection improvements that will

1:21:22be done. I want to make sure that that

1:21:25is not getting lost in that equation

1:21:27there.

1:21:29>> Yeah. So there are refues, right? There

1:21:31are refues for multi-phase crossings

1:21:34there in the design.

1:21:36>> Yeah. Could we get a latest design? I

1:21:38know like this keeps changing if if

1:21:41council can get it. So I want to

1:21:43especially focus on the intersection how

1:21:46safe it is and if uh we do the

1:21:49betterment charges anyway like so is

1:21:51there anything that we are missing out

1:21:53because that will be one of the most

1:21:56critical busiest and for life because

1:22:00high school is not going away from

1:22:03>> yeah absolutely

1:22:04>> thank you

1:22:10may prot body, please.

1:22:12>> Uh, could we briefly talk about the

1:22:15extension of Kits Creek Road to 54?

1:22:23Where did I see that? Yeah, Kits Creek

1:22:26Road to MC54.

1:22:28Can you explain to me exactly where that

1:22:31is?

1:22:33>> So, that would be So, that is a bicycle

1:22:35pedestrian connection. Um, this is a

1:22:38project concept. So there hasn't been

1:22:41any project level study to point to

1:22:44exact an exact sighting for it, but it

1:22:46would generally be around Kits Creek

1:22:49Road uh where K where Kids Creek Road

1:22:52terminates or nearby at Church Street

1:22:55and then connecting over to NC54.

1:22:59>> Okay. So there's no road there. It's

1:23:01just going to be a bike path or right

1:23:03>> greenway of some type.

1:23:05>> Yeah. By a bridge. It would be a bridge.

1:23:08>> A bridge.

1:23:08>> Yeah. Bike pad bridge

1:23:10>> grade separation,

1:23:11>> right? Grade separated from the

1:23:12railroad.

1:23:14>> Okay. [clears throat]

1:23:18>> Would that bridge go over to the other

1:23:20side of 54 or land in between the 54 and

1:23:22the railroad? We don't know yet.

1:23:25>> Don't know. Uh it it could. Yeah. So,

1:23:28the project there's been no project

1:23:30level study for it. You know, the the

1:23:32first step is getting the concept in the

1:23:34CTP if there's a desire for that. It's

1:23:37um and then going from there to study it

1:23:40further um to look at where exactly

1:23:43should it be cited, how should it tie in

1:23:45or interact with the other side. Should

1:23:47you know should should the bridge carry

1:23:48over NC completely over NC54? My initial

1:23:52opinion is yes because NC54 is going to

1:23:54be wider there and more in overtime

1:23:56busier. So, but questions like that, you

1:24:00know,

1:24:02>> okay,

1:24:02>> haven't dug into.

1:24:05Council member again.

1:24:08>> Okay. Thank you, Brett. That's an

1:24:10interesting concept. I look forward to

1:24:11seeing more about that.

1:24:13>> Yeah, absolutely. I'm actually very

1:24:14excited about those. There's another one

1:24:16at Barbie Road that I put it that we put

1:24:18in there and and planning and zoning

1:24:20board is very excited about it as well.

1:24:22>> We used crossing at Barbie Road. Many

1:24:25>> Yeah, I know. We that's it's caused some

1:24:28problems.

1:24:30I would definitely like to hear more

1:24:32about that because I I see so many

1:24:35people just walking across crossing the

1:24:37railroad tracks

1:24:40from that area.

1:24:42>> Yeah, I I've heard that too. Um which is

1:24:45not safe but

1:24:48>> Okay, so moving on. um the the um

1:24:52intersections we want to run by you for

1:24:54a priority intersection study,

1:24:55intersection assessment study for which

1:24:58the town has scoped to do further

1:24:59investigation of of specific operational

1:25:02and safety issues

1:25:04um based on identification of

1:25:06intersections with deficiencies through

1:25:08the CTBFDA process. So that's where this

1:25:10came from.

1:25:11The priority intersections the town

1:25:13planning and engineering departments

1:25:14recommend to carry forward for further

1:25:17study were derived from the intersection

1:25:19prioritization carried out through the

1:25:20CTP update process and from other

1:25:23planning efforts such as the Morrisville

1:25:25in motion safety action plan adopted by

1:25:27town council last fall. Uh, one

1:25:30important point to make about these are

1:25:31that in selecting intersections to carry

1:25:34forward for further study and potential

1:25:35improvement, our focus was on safety

1:25:38and/or uncontrolled congestion issues

1:25:41for which the town has likelier

1:25:43technical capacity to address, meaning

1:25:46staff resources and funding are more

1:25:48likely to be directed to them. Another

1:25:51important point about potential

1:25:53intersections to carry forward is many

1:25:55of the larger intersections with more

1:25:56substantial operational and safety

1:25:58issues are already slated for some level

1:26:01of improvement through programmed step

1:26:04projects and we mentioned one earlier

1:26:05with UC U5747 which is mccrimin parkway

1:26:09widening at that uh and then that would

1:26:11involve the Davis drive mccrim

1:26:13intersection. Um, we anticipate the

1:26:16study of these intersections to

1:26:17generally occur during the October to

1:26:19February time frame. And the recommended

1:26:20intersections include Davis Drive and

1:26:23Morrisville Carpenter Road and Church

1:26:25Street at Trey Brook Drive, Jeremiah

1:26:27Street, and Down in Glenn Drive.

1:26:30And for the Church Street intersections,

1:26:33these rose to the top because they

1:26:34received the highest congestion scores

1:26:36among all intersections evaluated for

1:26:38the CTP update, which is heavily

1:26:40influenced by overall delay on all

1:26:43approaches to those intersections. And

1:26:45they have a high bike pad and benefit

1:26:47cost score. Additionally, all three

1:26:50intersections are limited control

1:26:52intersections, and there is some concern

1:26:53with future traffic on Church Street

1:26:55with the Town Center construction,

1:26:57Airport Boulevard extension, development

1:26:59of the town's transit oriented

1:27:01development to the north, and other

1:27:03potential development pressures.

1:27:05There isn't a recommendation to increase

1:27:07the overall roadway capacity of Church

1:27:10Street to accommodate these pressures,

1:27:11but in conjunction with the

1:27:13recommendation to assign a three-lane

1:27:15undivided cross-section to Church

1:27:17Street, it is recommended that the town

1:27:18take a closer look at operational and

1:27:21safety issues at this roadways

1:27:23intersection.

1:27:26for Morsville Carpenter Road. It had the

1:27:28highest safety score from the CTP update

1:27:30prioritization results for intersections

1:27:33that are not already planned for

1:27:34improvement through NCBOT STIP projects.

1:27:37And what I mean by high safety score is

1:27:38it did not score well. Okay. It is

1:27:41identified in the Morrisville in motion

1:27:43safety plan safety action plan as a

1:27:45priority intersection to be targeted for

1:27:48safety review and programming within the

1:27:49first five years of that plan's

1:27:51adoption. and it has a high activity

1:27:53center score from the CTP prioritization

1:27:55results for obvious reasons. There's a

1:27:57lot of activity there, right? A lot of

1:27:59lot of points of interest.

1:28:02And moving along now to a quick briefing

1:28:04on a couple of other tasks the town has

1:28:05scoped and is currently carrying out

1:28:07that are related to the CTP update.

1:28:10The first is the development of town

1:28:11roadway hardscaping guidelines to be

1:28:13used as development guidance for

1:28:15landscaping in targeted areas within

1:28:17roadway rights ofway including verges,

1:28:20medians, town gateways and gateways to

1:28:22special districts within the town,

1:28:24islands, roundabouts and great separated

1:28:27bridge areas. These are also intended to

1:28:30provide the town with cohesive and

1:28:31coordinated direction for landscaping

1:28:33betterments to be included in NCDOT

1:28:35roadway improvement project scopes of

1:28:37work and for general direction per town

1:28:40transportation or infrastructure

1:28:41projects. These guidelines are

1:28:44ultimately intended to be integrated

1:28:46into the roadway crosssections in the

1:28:48CTP update. Um, town staff deployed a

1:28:51community survey on this in August into

1:28:55early September to solicit input on

1:28:57overall factors that should be

1:28:58considered with the development of the

1:29:00guidelines. Um, this overall task is

1:29:03underway and should finish up in

1:29:05November and staff will be back with you

1:29:07in December to share to share them with

1:29:09you.

1:29:12The second additional task is to

1:29:14evaluate the feasibility of a signalized

1:29:16pedestrian crossing of Aviation Parkway

1:29:17near the entrance of HSNC that would tie

1:29:20into the pedestrian facilities planned

1:29:22with Aviation Parkway widening project

1:29:24and the Crabtree Creek Greenway. Uh this

1:29:27assessment is necessary for NC DOT

1:29:30approval to incorporate a signalized

1:29:32crossing into the design and delivery of

1:29:34the widening project and it will

1:29:36evaluate impacts to traffic and

1:29:37operations of the improved aviation

1:29:39parkway facility and will generate

1:29:41conceptual design of those improvements.

1:29:44And this task is also underway and

1:29:46should finish up by November.

1:29:49All right, we're almost to the end here.

1:29:51So we'll get into next steps.

1:29:54So, a couple some milestones that we're

1:29:56still in and that we're getting getting

1:29:58ready to hit and embark upon. We are

1:30:01still in coordination with our major

1:30:03transportation planning and project

1:30:05programming stakeholders. Um there's a

1:30:08lot of back and forth with them as you

1:30:09might imagine at this stage in the

1:30:11process, NCOT, Campo, Town of Kerry, uh

1:30:14and then of course Research Triangle

1:30:16Foundation. Um but we got a lot of

1:30:18closure from them on uh kind of what we

1:30:20were planning up around that Fujifilm

1:30:22area. Um, so that's going to be

1:30:24continuing probably in a little bit into

1:30:26next month. We also are going to be

1:30:30holding our next round of stakeholder

1:30:32interviews for those that stakeholders

1:30:34that represent community interests in

1:30:36the September October time frame. So at

1:30:38the end of this month and into early

1:30:39October. So examples there are the

1:30:42Morrisville Chamber, Wake Tech and so

1:30:45forth. Um, then we will develop final

1:30:48documentation for the plan. Following up

1:30:50from that, uh, we will come back to you.

1:30:53There was so much that I had to share

1:30:55with the town council and it was a lot

1:30:57and I we've decided we can't do it. We

1:31:00can't put all that in front of you at

1:31:01one time. So, I still have more that's

1:31:03been done that I want to share. So, that

1:31:06we're you're only biting off so many,

1:31:08you know, so many pieces at a time. Um,

1:31:11so I'll come back to you with that in

1:31:13the November December time frame.

1:31:14Actually, it's it's scheduled to come

1:31:16back to you in on December 8th, but that

1:31:18will be the draft program and policy

1:31:20measures, um the town transportation

1:31:23code assessment, and the draft uh

1:31:25roadway landscaping guidelines that I

1:31:27just mentioned. I'll be sharing that

1:31:28also with the planning and zoning board

1:31:30in November before it comes to you. Then

1:31:33we'll go through a period where, okay,

1:31:35we're going to wrap everything up. There

1:31:37will be a draft plan document. It needs

1:31:38to go through a public review and

1:31:40comment period. Um it will be then

1:31:43presented to the planning and zoning

1:31:44board and to town council and then

1:31:47through that December to April time

1:31:49frame will be the time during which

1:31:50you're considering adoption or asking

1:31:52for you know you providing additional

1:31:56feedback and we're following up and so

1:31:58forth.

1:32:00So now it's time for your feedback but I

1:32:03do want to share the planning and zoning

1:32:04board's feedback.

1:32:06Um the planning and zoning board saw all

1:32:09of this information as well and they did

1:32:13have very there was very strong support

1:32:14for the bicycle and pedestrian crossings

1:32:17of the North Carolina Railroad. But

1:32:19there was some concern with the cost

1:32:20versus the impact because when we're

1:32:23talking about elevating over the

1:32:24railroad, there's always this, well,

1:32:26that's going to cost a lot because you

1:32:27got to put in a structure and then it's

1:32:29got to be approved by all, you know, the

1:32:31railroad and all these other parties and

1:32:34that puts in engineering specifications

1:32:37that could, you know, raise the cost of

1:32:39it some more. And so there was some

1:32:41discussion on that. Um, my opinion on

1:32:44that is those would be very, very high

1:32:47impact projects for connectivity across

1:32:51northern Morrisville. Even if you can't

1:32:53get a road, even if you can't get a

1:32:55roadway that facilitates vehicular

1:32:56travel, um, a bicycle or pedestrian

1:32:59crossing would do a lot to make that

1:33:03part of town feel very connected and

1:33:05have access to options that are very

1:33:07difficult for them right now. Um, so

1:33:10while the cost might be high, I would,

1:33:12you know, also think about the impact.

1:33:14There's also some discussion on putting

1:33:16those in the immediate term versus

1:33:18near-term implementation time frames

1:33:19because there was some excitement about

1:33:21them. However, we have not done any

1:33:23project level study on those. They are

1:33:25in the near- term within the next 10

1:33:27years. In order for us to really to

1:33:30really say, okay, yeah, we're going to

1:33:31we want to move forward with this and

1:33:33here's how it's going to work and where

1:33:34it's going to be cited and everything,

1:33:36we have to do that project level study.

1:33:38Um and certainly before we ask for any

1:33:41uh funding from external parties for it.

1:33:44Um another point I want to make about

1:33:46those is they're actually pretty

1:33:49competitive. I mean they would be

1:33:51whenever you're crossing a barrier like

1:33:52a railroad or a limited access highway

1:33:57with a bicycle and pedestrian

1:33:58connection. There are a lot of external

1:34:00funding programs where those are pretty

1:34:02competitive. Those types of things are

1:34:04very competitive. So I do want to note

1:34:06that. Um they also mentioned that the

1:34:08town want may want to do some education

1:34:10to help differentiate modal use of side

1:34:12paths versus sidewalks. And what this

1:34:14comes down to is the you people

1:34:17bicyclists using sidewalks um ra you

1:34:20know rather than side paths. Um the

1:34:23sidewalks are pedestrians side paths are

1:34:26multi-use paths and so they're meant for

1:34:28both bicyclists and pedestrians. And so

1:34:30maybe some concern about, you know, does

1:34:32does do our residents and visitors in

1:34:34Morrisville

1:34:36understand kind of what the intended

1:34:38modal use of those two types of

1:34:39facilities are.

1:34:41There are some questions about the need

1:34:43for targeting intersections on Church

1:34:44Street for further study and potential

1:34:46improvement. I think a lot of that came

1:34:47from

1:34:49uh there's all these other sections

1:34:51other intersections in town that have a

1:34:53lot that have problems and some big

1:34:55intersections that have problems. And

1:34:58what kind of when I explained that well

1:35:00a lot of those are actually already

1:35:01being addressed by something or we've

1:35:03already studied them

1:35:06there aren't very many of those left if

1:35:08you if you actually think about it. So

1:35:10that was kind of how the discussion went

1:35:12there. Um there was some discussion

1:35:14about improving turning movement

1:35:16efficiencies at the intersection of

1:35:17Morrisville Parkway and Davis Drive

1:35:19specifically

1:35:20um with don't block the box striping so

1:35:23that you're not you know not block

1:35:24people are not blocking the

1:35:25intersection. We do have designs from

1:35:28the Morseville Parkway access management

1:35:31uh projects to add a right turn lane

1:35:33there. Um there's not a whole lot else

1:35:35that we've included there in the design

1:35:37for a variety of reasons. It's a very

1:35:39complex intersection and threequarters

1:35:41of it is not even in the town. So

1:35:44there's that. um discussion about

1:35:47potential for vertical protective

1:35:49features in the bike lane buffers such

1:35:51as some sort of concrete barrier barrier

1:35:53and I don't think they meant jersey

1:35:56barrier if you you know those big jersey

1:35:58barriers. Um I think what was meant by

1:36:00that was some type of lower profile but

1:36:02still vertical elevated feature. Um, and

1:36:06with the planning and zoning board talks

1:36:07a little bit about how to plan for

1:36:09recreational cyclists versus utilitarian

1:36:11cyclists and how that factors into the

1:36:13the CPP and then also just general

1:36:16frustration with the aviation parkway

1:36:18carpenter road intersection at NC54.

1:36:22Um, who's not frustrated with that,

1:36:25right? So that's what we heard from them

1:36:28and I'll turn it back over to you for

1:36:30any questions or feedback.

1:36:34I think the trains are not frustrated

1:36:36with that intersection.

1:36:38>> What?

1:36:39>> Trains. The trains are the only ones who

1:36:40go through that intersection cleanly.

1:36:42>> That's right.

1:36:42>> I recognize council member Patel

1:36:44followed by council member Garam. Please

1:36:52>> if we can go to proposed rule

1:36:54cross-sections section. Um

1:36:57u once we

1:37:00adopt these cross actions u how

1:37:04prescriptive are they? So uh if

1:37:06conditions or cost change later how much

1:37:10flexibility will council have without

1:37:12formally embeding doing anything without

1:37:14formally emitting the city.

1:37:19>> Can you say that last part again? I'm

1:37:21sorry. If the condition of cost change

1:37:24later, what kind of flexibility council

1:37:27has to do anything without actually

1:37:29amending the CTP?

1:37:33>> I mean that's a good question. Um

1:37:37I mean the CTP can be amended at any

1:37:39time.

1:37:40>> Yeah. One of the pro one of the things

1:37:42that we run into is if a developer comes

1:37:45in there's a so with a site plan and

1:37:49there there's a certain point at which

1:37:51they become vested and this these

1:37:54cross-sections are attached to you know

1:37:57through the UDO through by extension of

1:37:59the UDO they're attached to the UDO as

1:38:02this is what they need to provide.

1:38:05um

1:38:07that can be a there could be a

1:38:09significant period of time between when

1:38:11they come in and when something's built.

1:38:14Um and and and where during which there

1:38:18might be a desire conditions have

1:38:20changed. Um we might want to alter what

1:38:24these cross-sections look like or do.

1:38:28You know, I think we just have to I

1:38:31mean, that's kind of just punches that

1:38:33we have to roll with. I mean, um, the

1:38:37CTP can be amended at any time at the

1:38:39pleasure of the council,

1:38:41um, after this is adopted with these

1:38:44cross-sections if there's a desire to go

1:38:46in another direction with them. But

1:38:49there's always going to be something in

1:38:50between with the development community

1:38:53where even if you do that, there could

1:38:55still be vesting that they have to put

1:38:58in what was originally in the old CTP

1:39:01before you amend it type of thing.

1:39:03>> Okay.

1:39:04>> So,

1:39:05>> thank you. And um

1:39:08what is the estimated total town

1:39:10financial exposures associated with

1:39:12everything we are calling immediate term

1:39:15>> the fund the town funding?

1:39:17>> Mhm. So that is not a that is not an

1:39:20equation that the CTP solves for. The

1:39:24CTP is not financially constrained.

1:39:27>> Um

1:39:29the the extent of what this CTP does is

1:39:33with the technical capacity that we have

1:39:35with the prioritization, the public

1:39:38feedback and all that. If we had all the

1:39:41resources we needed

1:39:44to do what we want to do, this is what

1:39:47we would do.

1:39:48>> Got it. Right. Let me ask a different

1:39:50question.

1:39:52When the implementation plan lists lab

1:39:55or spot or strip or discretionary

1:39:57grants,

1:39:59uh does that mean that it's a secure

1:40:02funding, a realistic funding strategy or

1:40:04uh it simply says eligibility for those

1:40:08funding?

1:40:09>> That pretty much means those are options

1:40:11to pursue to provide that funding uh or

1:40:15to or to fund that particular project

1:40:18concept. Um, in some cases you see

1:40:22multiple listed

1:40:24that's a jud that's a that's a kind of

1:40:26an assessment or a judgment call that

1:40:28needs to be made at the time of well

1:40:30should we pursue this or should we

1:40:31pursue this. Some cases you can pursue

1:40:33more than one and bring them together as

1:40:35well. Um,

1:40:38so I mean that's

1:40:41>> I think that's all the questions I have

1:40:43and I'm sorry I jump straight into

1:40:45question without thanking you for the

1:40:47work you have done to put this together.

1:40:49Appreciate it.

1:40:50>> Those are good questions. I appreciate

1:40:51it. Thank you.

1:40:53>> Council member Gar Melo, please.

1:40:58>> All right. This is uh

1:41:01a different conversation. I wanted to

1:41:03talk about the railroad. Um there's a

1:41:06merger which is going on between Union

1:41:09Pacific and North Southern.

1:41:13And uh

1:41:15the reason I bring this up is because I

1:41:18was with NCLM folks and Erin

1:41:21specifically. There were lobbyists from

1:41:26Midwest who are trying to say that north

1:41:30folks uh not the safety standards of

1:41:33Union Pacific is not that good and

1:41:37especially their signaling and all those

1:41:40too many accidents and uh they wanted

1:41:44NCL to get engaged and you know

1:41:47basically do it. Um obviously they don't

1:41:51pick those kind of issues but that thing

1:41:54really struck me because we are like a

1:41:57we have our railroad running across it

1:42:00and safety is the most important thing.

1:42:04How would we ensure that those safety

1:42:08standards are kept and you know they're

1:42:11not sliding because one example they

1:42:14said there's a certain 20 seconds rule

1:42:17or something like you know the doors

1:42:19have to be shut or something they have a

1:42:21different rule sets um so I'm not an

1:42:24expert in the safety areas but when CTP

1:42:28and all these things are playing in I

1:42:30think that plays a very very important

1:42:32role because our uh east west corridor

1:42:37we are passing through them.

1:42:42>> I mean I don't know that much about it

1:42:44either. Council member Garamala um in

1:42:46terms of I'm sure there's some

1:42:49jurisdiction issues um involved with

1:42:53that. Um the railroads enjoy incredible

1:42:58freedom and independence under the law,

1:43:01at least federal law.

1:43:02>> [laughter]

1:43:03>> So, um, but it's something I can look

1:43:05into.

1:43:06>> Yeah, I just if not, I'll uh put you in

1:43:09touch with Erin, uh, because this

1:43:12particular lobby group from Midwest is

1:43:14hounding to basically see like, you

1:43:17know, that North Carolina can pick up

1:43:20this issue. Um, because I don't think

1:43:22they like union pass for some reason.

1:43:25But, uh, that's not our case. Safety

1:43:27standards are our main issue. So that is

1:43:30one thing I would consider. We can do

1:43:32all these things but somewhere it's not

1:43:36triggering correctly. You don't want

1:43:37fatalities on any of the signals.

1:43:41>> Yeah. I mean it's important what what

1:43:43you bring up is important. I

1:43:44>> Yeah.

1:43:45>> I just can't I don't know that much

1:43:48about what we can do there but I can

1:43:50look I can check I can dig into it.

1:43:56Council

1:43:56>> member Johnson please.

1:44:01Thank you for the um robust sharing of

1:44:05information and our update. I know we

1:44:08ask a lot of questions because we are so

1:44:10passionate about this. Um

1:44:14my question relates to our neighbors and

1:44:19Carrie. Now, we are doing our

1:44:23um transportation plan update, but there

1:44:26are several roads that either are

1:44:30segments of Kerry along the same stretch

1:44:32as ours and so forth, or the

1:44:35intersections literally are this is

1:44:38Morrisville, this is Kerry. And the two

1:44:41intersections that I really um

1:44:46feel a lot of challenges with is the

1:44:48Morrisville Parkway Davis Drive

1:44:50intersection and it's the Morrisville

1:44:53Carpenter

1:44:55uh Davis Drive intersection. Those two

1:44:58have components of the town of Kerry

1:45:01with them. In the case of Morrisville

1:45:03Carpenter, I think it's it's literally

1:45:05like there's, you know,

1:45:09um, some jurisdiction there with some of

1:45:12the trails and greenways and and so

1:45:14forth like that. in Morrisville Parkway.

1:45:16It literally is the the road is split in

1:45:19two with Kerry having the blind spot

1:45:23segment of the road and Morrisville

1:45:25having the um

1:45:28the ramping up of the intersection kind

1:45:31of thing. How do we coordinate

1:45:35our plan when we have these intermediate

1:45:38term projects with Carrie? Do they have

1:45:41a similar intermediate term listing that

1:45:45include these intersections?

1:45:48Because ultimately it's going to be

1:45:49funding to improve the intersection

1:45:51holistically.

1:45:54>> So they have more so they're believe it

1:45:58or not our comprehensive transportation

1:46:01planning is more pretty a lot more

1:46:04robust than the town of carries. Um they

1:46:08do have thoroughfare plans for what

1:46:10roadways you know in the future

1:46:13what they should be rightway needs are

1:46:15attached to that and all of that but

1:46:20they have not we have been collaborating

1:46:22with the town of Kerry transportation

1:46:24staff through this process and they have

1:46:26not shared with me any specific plans

1:46:29for that. Now, they have been working on

1:46:33very recently and should be getting

1:46:35pretty close to consideration of

1:46:37adoption of a bicycle plan

1:46:40um that from which we were able to get a

1:46:43lot of good information to inform us on

1:46:45how we should match up with what they're

1:46:47they're doing. There's a lot of cases of

1:46:49that at the edges of our boundaries with

1:46:51with the town of Kerry. Um they have

1:46:54also provided a lot of input or signaled

1:46:58support for um where we do have roadways

1:47:02that where where we share boundaries or

1:47:05we go we we go through Morsville then

1:47:07Carrie then back into Morrisville. Um so

1:47:10I have gotten a lot of feedback. That is

1:47:11one of the entities also that I'm still

1:47:13going back and forth with a little bit.

1:47:15>> Well I don't think it's easy. That's why

1:47:17I'm asking the questions. Right. Um the

1:47:21other thing with the Campo I mean these

1:47:23are NC DOT roads. Davis Drive is an NC

1:47:27DOT road. Morrisville Parks NCDOT road.

1:47:30So any improvements have to go through

1:47:32Campo and get funding. Do they score

1:47:35higher because they have two communities

1:47:39in with these intersections, you know,

1:47:41for funding, LAP funding or or whatever,

1:47:44you know, funding source they might be

1:47:46evaluated at

1:47:48>> with with LAP. No, just without without

1:47:52me going and looking at the scoring

1:47:54criteria, my I'm going to say no. I can

1:47:57go and check if I'm wrong, I'll follow

1:47:59up, but I'm gonna say no to that. I

1:48:02don't think it matters um whether it

1:48:06impacts two or not because pro mainly

1:48:08because that would sort of also be

1:48:10unfair to other intersections that could

1:48:13be that are wholly within communities. I

1:48:15think it's just completely based on the

1:48:17merits of how they operate, safety

1:48:19issues, that sort of thing.

1:48:21>> I mean scoring is kind of mysterious to

1:48:23me anyway. So I, you know, it does, you

1:48:26know, help if Carrie was supportive of

1:48:30improvement, you know, um, with this

1:48:34kind of challenge.

1:48:35>> I mean, it helps to an it would help to

1:48:37an extent. Um, depending on

1:48:40who submits it. Um, it'd be interesting

1:48:43to see what happens if we both if both

1:48:46communities would submit a project like

1:48:47that. and that would happen

1:48:49>> if you did rather than just being like,

1:48:50"Oh, well, Mor Carrie submits it and

1:48:53Morrisville supports it and vice versa."

1:48:56What if both then I wonder that might

1:49:00that might get some sort of traction

1:49:02beyond what I'm thinking for scoring,

1:49:04but

1:49:04>> historically there has been some

1:49:07disjointed improvements in some of these

1:49:09intersections. I'm just gonna leave that

1:49:13there. But coordination is helpful and

1:49:17it also might be a louder voice. You

1:49:20know, the safety of those intersections

1:49:23is really important. I I know that the

1:49:25planning board also expressed some

1:49:28concern about safety with the

1:49:29Morrisville Carpenter. I do hear the

1:49:32fire trucks. I do, you know, hear the

1:49:34police cars up and down Morrisville

1:49:36Carpenter a lot. and some times they're

1:49:40leaving the intersection of Davis Drive

1:49:41and Morrisville Carpenter, but there is

1:49:43a serious amount of um activity um in

1:49:47those areas. So, appreciate everything

1:49:50that you do um just if there is

1:49:55something that the council can do um to

1:49:59maybe raise awareness about this. I

1:50:02mean, I can do one-on-one conversations,

1:50:04but if there's some way that we can um,

1:50:08you know, look at this a little more

1:50:10strategically with Carrie or, you know,

1:50:14a meeting or something that might be

1:50:16helpful, I think.

1:50:18>> Thank you.

1:50:21>> Council member Kesling, please.

1:50:24>> Brett, thank you for uh this

1:50:26presentation and all the work that

1:50:27you're doing on the conference

1:50:29transportation plan update. Um, I think

1:50:31we're really lucky to have you. Um,

1:50:33especially with all of our, um, traffic

1:50:35congestion problems, having someone

1:50:37dedicated to solving those problems is,

1:50:40uh, we're very fortunate for that. Um,

1:50:42if we could go to slide 14, please, that

1:50:45shows the cross-sections.

1:50:49So, as I was reviewing our materials and

1:50:52looking through this and looking at the

1:50:55um the different cross-sections and you

1:50:58know uh uh where they where they exist

1:51:00on this map, I found that I was running

1:51:03into uh one issue in particular. Um I

1:51:07obviously care about uh the bike and

1:51:11pedestrian connectivity. Um, and I found

1:51:15while this map does have um,

1:51:19uh, all the cross-sections listed out

1:51:21um, whatnot, what I'm particularly

1:51:24interested in is seeing a map that shows

1:51:29the roads with bike lanes, side paths,

1:51:32and greenways all on one map. Um,

1:51:37the reason being is to identify where

1:51:40gaps may occur. um specifically as it

1:51:43relates to cycling um but also to a to

1:51:47another extent um the the pedestrian um

1:51:50connectivity as well. Um

1:51:54so the the with that gap um you know

1:51:58where is where are the points where

1:52:00someone has to transition from one

1:52:02facility to another facility or to get

1:52:04to the next facility have to then get on

1:52:07the roadway. Um, so I I it was very

1:52:10difficult to kind of figure that out for

1:52:12me based on this map and comparing that

1:52:14with the greenway map and trying to kind

1:52:16of put the two two and two together on

1:52:17my own. Um,

1:52:21uh, and you had in your presentation

1:52:23that safety was another concern. Uh,

1:52:25gaps was the second concern. I think

1:52:26those both go hand in hand. There might

1:52:28be um 95% connectivity with the bike

1:52:32lanes and the uh side paths and

1:52:35greenways, but one gap uh can be a

1:52:38safety concern. Um and I know we've been

1:52:42experiencing increased outreach with

1:52:44regards to the construction that's

1:52:45happening on Town Hall Drive. Um that is

1:52:47causing gaps to form and the safety

1:52:50issues um that that come from that. So

1:52:53that's I guess what would it take to

1:52:57um

1:53:00basically I don't want to necessarily

1:53:02make a I guess I am asking to make a new

1:53:04map um but essentially looking at the

1:53:07the greenway and or crosssections that

1:53:11have the um the bike lanes and the side

1:53:14paths and seeing you know overlaying

1:53:16those two um and maybe it's just the

1:53:19three kind of sections there just three

1:53:22colors essentially on the map. Seeing

1:53:24what that looks like.

1:53:27>> Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. [clears throat]

1:53:31>> Excellent.

1:53:32>> Yeah.

1:53:33>> That should be easy. And no, I I think

1:53:36you're I think it sounds like you're

1:53:37interested in what's existing

1:53:40all three bike lanes, side paths, and

1:53:44greenways. And then what taking what

1:53:48where that's going to show you where

1:53:50gaps are. And then also having

1:53:53what's proposed for all three also on

1:53:56the same map. So you have it all in one

1:53:58place,

1:53:59>> right? Yes. I think the greenway map has

1:54:01um the the current greenway and then the

1:54:05future. I understand that this is not

1:54:08necessarily

1:54:10current and future. It's I guess it's

1:54:12future, but it's also not current,

1:54:16right?

1:54:16>> If that makes sense. Yes, I know.

1:54:18>> Yeah. Um,

1:54:21so yeah, I think that would provide real

1:54:23greater clarity on um, you know, where

1:54:26some of those um, for me at least on

1:54:29where some of those bike and pedestrian

1:54:31um, gaps may be. And when it comes to

1:54:33prioritization,

1:54:35um, certainly if there's recognized gaps

1:54:38in that network, um, I would I would

1:54:42want to prioritize filling some of those

1:54:45gaps. Um,

1:54:50but I would want to see I guess I'd want

1:54:52to see that that new map first um to

1:54:55understand you know where where could

1:54:56the I know that there's automobile um

1:55:00you know connectivity and and

1:55:02improvement prioritization but then also

1:55:03the bike ped prioritization. I mean, if

1:55:05there's the benefit of having them both

1:55:06where we get the side path with the

1:55:09improved um automobile uh um what

1:55:15yeah, just improved automobile travel.

1:55:17Um and I would imagine that that would

1:55:19score rather highly if we can do both.

1:55:22Um but certainly if we can get those

1:55:24bike pad stuff even if it's a small

1:55:25something to to close those gaps um and

1:55:28alleviate some of those skate safety

1:55:29concerns.

1:55:30>> Yeah, absolutely.

1:55:32>> Um another thing that I wanted to

1:55:35mention was uh redundancy.

1:55:38So, I'm seeing on here uh up Town Hall

1:55:42Drive, we've got the fourlane divided

1:55:44with one sidewalk and one side path. And

1:55:47then further up um that it's

1:55:54I see it's a um I got my colors wrong.

1:55:56So, it's it is the fourlane divided with

1:55:58the sidewalks

1:56:00that So, in terms of redundancy, I know

1:56:02that there's a greenway adjacent to this

1:56:04roadway. Um, but what is is there any

1:56:09issue with the,

1:56:12you know, having that extra bike

1:56:14facility on the road adjacent to the

1:56:17greenway?

1:56:20>> There's not an issue with it. Um it's

1:56:24just

1:56:26the I think the biggest things that

1:56:27we've run into is will it entail

1:56:30rightway impacts

1:56:32in a residential area that which is an

1:56:35which are areas where you want to

1:56:36minimize rideway impacts. I don't know

1:56:38the answer to that without looking at it

1:56:40but I can look at it. U but the reason

1:56:43why it stops where it stops with the

1:56:46side path is because as you noted there

1:56:48is an adjacent greenway. We have the

1:56:50same kind of concept relationship sort

1:56:53of thing going on with Church Street and

1:56:55the Sawmill Creek Greenway. Why you

1:56:57don't see facil, you know, specific

1:57:00facilities on Church Street to

1:57:01facilitate bicycle travel. But we can

1:57:04look at it and see um if if there's

1:57:07going to be rightway impacts. You know,

1:57:10I don't know. It it it depends if you

1:57:12think it's redundant. I mean, sometimes

1:57:14that's in the eyes of the user and

1:57:17whoever, you know,

1:57:20a lot of times that's a judgment call.

1:57:22So, I'm not saying that there's anything

1:57:23wrong with it or

1:57:24>> or right with it,

1:57:25>> right?

1:57:26>> Yeah. In my in my field, we we deal with

1:57:28N plus one. So, having um you know, two

1:57:31chillers and having an extra one chiller

1:57:34just for that redundancy sake. So having

1:57:36having multiple ways to get around town,

1:57:39multiple routes, um I think certainly

1:57:42would alleviate if if we do connect in

1:57:45such a way that we have more cyclists

1:57:47travel on our greenways. Um and that

1:57:50might be impacting the pedestrians that

1:57:52are using the greenway, then you know

1:57:54having that uh road facility might be um

1:57:58might be better for the pedestrian

1:58:00experience, but also you know

1:58:01potentially for the cyclist experience.

1:58:02It might provide a more direct path. Um,

1:58:05so I think

1:58:07yeah, just just investigating that a

1:58:09little bit further I think would be um

1:58:11would be good. I want to echo the PCB

1:58:15said about the buffered bike lanes. Um,

1:58:18some of our uh um crosssections. It's

1:58:21four lane um with the bike lane on it

1:58:25and we don't have any sort of uh

1:58:27separation on that except for the paint

1:58:29on the road. Um, and I just I'm just

1:58:31concerned about um the safety of riding

1:58:34your bike in those bike lanes. Even

1:58:36though it's um

1:58:39even though it's, you know, that you

1:58:40have that buffer, it does end up being a

1:58:42little bit it's it's wider than probably

1:58:45what we have now. And so I can see some

1:58:48of that. Um my understanding is that the

1:58:51wider the lanes, the faster you travel.

1:58:53Um the the small the narrower the lanes,

1:58:55the slower you travel. But if you've got

1:58:58kind of a big shoulder you can play

1:59:00with, I just see that as being a safety

1:59:02concern for um for cyclists. And also um

1:59:07in went down to Austin, Texas recently

1:59:10and they have the

1:59:13bike lanes on the side. So they have the

1:59:15sidewalk bike lane. Sometimes it's

1:59:17parked cars and then the and then the

1:59:19travel paths or the the um um the road

1:59:21sections, but those bike lanes are

1:59:23two-way.

1:59:25Um, so I'd be curious to know if we

1:59:27could make some of those bike lanes

1:59:29two-way um, such that, you know, someone

1:59:32wouldn't have to go all the way down to

1:59:35um, you know, a traffic light and then

1:59:37cross the road to get on the to get on

1:59:40the um, uh, the opposite direction. Um,

1:59:43if they could just kind of pull off onto

1:59:45the uh, on the grass on the side um, and

1:59:48then just, you know, turn their bike

1:59:49around and just go straight into the

1:59:51opposite direction. I'd be curious to um

1:59:53investigate that um because that I mean

1:59:57that's the way they do it in Amsterdam

1:59:58as well. It seems to work out for them.

2:00:02>> Yeah, I mean that I can we can look into

2:00:03that. I with two lane or sorry with two

2:00:07eight bike lanes I think they work

2:00:09really well when you don't have a

2:00:11divided facility, a divided roadway

2:00:13facility. They don't work as well if

2:00:16unless you're talking about on both

2:00:17sides. um they don't work as well when

2:00:21you have a divided facility because

2:00:22there's at some point a user is going to

2:00:25have to get to the other side of the

2:00:27road and then but

2:00:30you know

2:00:33I guess help me understand um yes you

2:00:36have the divided you have the median

2:00:38then if you have a two-way on even if

2:00:41it's just on one side then they can go

2:00:44they would whether it be one way on one

2:00:47side or two ways on one

2:00:48you'd still have to go up to the

2:00:50crosswalk to get across to get to the

2:00:52other side of the street.

2:00:54>> If you're if you're suggesting that, so

2:00:56typically with bicyclists when they use

2:00:58bike lanes, from my experience, they

2:01:00want to use the bike lane on the side of

2:01:02the road where they meet up with the

2:01:04roadway as long as they can until they

2:01:06get to their destination or where they

2:01:07need to cross to maybe get to another

2:01:09connection.

2:01:11So,

2:01:14what I'm saying, if there's a bike lane

2:01:17on both sides and you're just suggesting

2:01:18a two-lane bike or two-way bike lane on

2:01:20one and there's still a bike lane on the

2:01:22other, then it that's fine or that that

2:01:24doesn't come into play. Um,

2:01:28but if you just have one two-way bike

2:01:31lane on one side of the street, that

2:01:33could be problematic for some.

2:01:36>> Yeah. I in Austin they have the two

2:01:39two-way on both sides and I think that's

2:01:40the way it is in Amsterdam as well. So I

2:01:42think I think that's important and um

2:01:45I'd be curious to see what it would take

2:01:47to um make some of those a reality.

2:01:52>> I mean yeah we can look into that. Um, I

2:01:55think really where you're at with just

2:01:58the council in general, it's a, you

2:02:00know, you're in a there's a lot of

2:02:02things that are the science of

2:02:04transportation planning and traffic

2:02:06engineering and all that. It it's not to

2:02:09some of this is not going to apply. A

2:02:11lot of this is judgment, right? And

2:02:13there's not necessarily a right or wrong

2:02:16answer one way or the other. Um, so you

2:02:21know just

2:02:22>> I know we're bringing in the values into

2:02:25into this on this conversation, right?

2:02:27Trying to figure out what we have, what

2:02:29is, and then, you know, determining what

2:02:30ought, you know, we have a we have that

2:02:32value statement. I can tell you that my

2:02:34where I'm coming from is reducing car

2:02:36dependency. That's my big goal is is

2:02:39doing that.

2:02:44>> Cool. Council member Johnson followed by

2:02:46member body please.

2:02:48>> So thank you Brett. I'm I'm only going

2:02:50to bring up three quick things. One um

2:02:54uh planning and zoning their

2:02:56conversation about don't block the box.

2:02:58I love that conversation that could

2:03:02happen at every intersection all over

2:03:04Morrisville all over the triangle. So I

2:03:06think we need to keep that in mind and

2:03:08figure out figure out a way how to

2:03:10incorporate that. I love that idea. Um,

2:03:13I also love the um bike peg crossing on

2:03:17the north church over 54. I you know I

2:03:21re we've had these conversations in

2:03:23years past and I realize that's a a

2:03:26really expensive solution like you

2:03:28talked about and there's lots of parties

2:03:30involved and lots of others that would

2:03:33need to weigh in on that, the railroad

2:03:36and DOT and all that. But I think it's

2:03:38important to have that kind of a

2:03:40solution or concept in the plan um

2:03:43moving forward. So number one, it

2:03:44doesn't get lost. Number two, maybe

2:03:46it'll be emphasized

2:03:48uh down the road because it is kind of a

2:03:51long-term surely a long-term um project.

2:03:54But uh love that. And then um only other

2:03:57comment I want to make is you know and I

2:03:59get this um intermediate term versus

2:04:03near-term you know you you got to kind

2:04:06of put these projects all in buckets and

2:04:09I also um clearly understand that this

2:04:12is not a fiscally constrained plan and

2:04:15that these projects will um when when

2:04:19outside third party funding becomes

2:04:22available these projects will move a

2:04:24little bit. totally get all that too.

2:04:26But when you when you look and

2:04:28especially at the at the um immediate

2:04:31term page, um

2:04:34and I know some of these projects are

2:04:36already in the works. So um some of them

2:04:38will be complete in five years, but is

2:04:42is this realistic that these projects

2:04:45can potentially be be

2:04:49um you know completed or at least

2:04:52started in five years? is was that a

2:04:55part of the whole um planning and why

2:04:58you put these particular projects on

2:05:00this page? It yeah it is. I mean so the

2:05:04intent here is really okay

2:05:07what is the town already focused on or

2:05:11is it are we already sort of committed

2:05:13to focusing on at the at the project

2:05:16level of study for these things. Um, I

2:05:20will say it's very unlikely that all of

2:05:24this will actually be can actually be

2:05:27implemented and on the ground and

2:05:28operational in five years. But

2:05:32um,

2:05:34you know, the town is focused on a lot

2:05:36of on these things.

2:05:39Let this helps us stay focused on these

2:05:41things and try and keeps us working to

2:05:44deliver them as soon as we can. That's

2:05:48kind of the idea behind immediate term.

2:05:51But if you were pushed me against the

2:05:52corner and say, "Brett, you need to be

2:05:54real with me about whether or not you

2:05:56think this is all going to get done in

2:05:59five years." I'd say probably not.

2:06:01So,

2:06:02>> okay. Well, thank you for the honesty.

2:06:04That's what actually what I was looking

2:06:05for. And um and I get it. Projects,

2:06:09these projects, they don't we don't go

2:06:11straight to um construction. There are

2:06:14multiple steps along the way. I mean,

2:06:16design, there's all kinds of steps along

2:06:18the way. So, you're right. These

2:06:21projects potentially could be in that

2:06:23process, maybe not all on the ground um

2:06:28complete, but um I I get that too. So,

2:06:31um Okay, thank you. I appreciate all the

2:06:33work. I know how how timeconsuming

2:06:36um the a transportation update plan

2:06:40process is. So, um I appreciate all the

2:06:43work. It looks it you you make it look

2:06:45so easy and it's not. I know that. So

2:06:49appreciate

2:06:50>> Mayor Pamati please.

2:06:54Speaking of time consuming,

2:06:56um, so I feel like we we have these

2:07:00discussions and everybody is asking you

2:07:03for different things,

2:07:05information, they want different ways or

2:07:07or reports and you are such a good guy

2:07:11and you always say sure and but I I'm

2:07:15beginning to be concerned that this is

2:07:18kind of becoming a thing where not just

2:07:21for you but where you know We we ask

2:07:24staff for things. We like we don't ask

2:07:26for it as a council and we ask for 10

2:07:28different things and then you're stuck

2:07:31holding a bag with having committed to a

2:07:35bunch of things that either we may not

2:07:38all want or we may want but we need to

2:07:40understand what the tradeoff is. What's

2:07:43either not going to get done, what's

2:07:45going to be slow rolled. So, can we just

2:07:48like take a step back and can you tell

2:07:52me

2:07:53what additional materials you've

2:07:56committed tonight to produce and then

2:07:59explain to me the likely because there's

2:08:02no way that you're going to be able to

2:08:04produce all that and there's not going

2:08:05to be some kind of impact like you're

2:08:07not Superman. You have to sleep, you

2:08:09know, walk outside, whatever. So, can

2:08:13you just kind of break down for me what

2:08:16you're going to be producing next? And I

2:08:20is there anything that's a significant

2:08:22chunk of work that would require council

2:08:25direction for you to undertake that

2:08:28because it's going to impact other work.

2:08:32>> Yeah, thank you for that. Um, council

2:08:34member or mayor body. Um so I have noted

2:08:40with the railroad um looking looking

2:08:44into really the primary focus there

2:08:46would be looking into the jurisdiction

2:08:48of what we could do with safety at the

2:08:52railroad crossings that is within our

2:08:56power that is not within or could go

2:09:00beyond what the railroad's power is.

2:09:02That to me is really just a pretty basic

2:09:04jurisdiction question that I think could

2:09:07be answered. Um, so I also have um

2:09:13the map that council member Kesling

2:09:15asked for. That's easy. Uh, putting and

2:09:18I think it's worthwhile for every for

2:09:21everybody to see putting the bike lane,

2:09:23slide pass, and greenways on one map.

2:09:25Um, and then all the existing of those

2:09:27as well to see where gaps are. Um

2:09:30because I think that's important for you

2:09:31to understand that those are being

2:09:33filled because through our

2:09:34prioritization process that was also a

2:09:36really significant factor. Um for the

2:09:40sidewalks and uh side paths on Town Hall

2:09:43Drive, continuing those up, that's

2:09:45really just looking at the rideway

2:09:47impacts. I think that's the only thing

2:09:48that I would say you might want to take

2:09:50into consideration before um committing

2:09:54to adding side paths uh farther north.

2:09:59uh to be also somewhat parallel with the

2:10:03greenway that also kind of runs north

2:10:05south there just to the west of Town

2:10:08Hall Drive. Um

2:10:11there was a request to look into two-way

2:10:12bike lanes. Um

2:10:15you know, can is that something that we

2:10:18could do? Again, to me, for the purposes

2:10:21of the council, all that comes down to

2:10:23is rightway impacts. If you want two-way

2:10:25bike lanes, we can put two two-way bike

2:10:27lanes in there. I might take a a look at

2:10:29a couple of other things to see if, you

2:10:32know, some best practices to see if it

2:10:34it's a it might be a bad idea, if

2:10:36there's other impacts that we're not

2:10:37thinking about, that sort of thing. But,

2:10:40um, I don't necessarily think that's a

2:10:43huge lift. Um,

2:10:48compared to most evenings that I've come

2:10:50to the town council, this is actually

2:10:52not I don't see these request I

2:10:55appreciate you looking out for me

2:10:56though. That's that but I don't see

2:11:00these requests as being that huge of a

2:11:02lift. At least for what I have in my

2:11:04mind of what I'm gonna how I'm going to

2:11:06follow up.

2:11:08>> Okay. All right. Yeah, just checking

2:11:10because I to me frankly it all sounded

2:11:12like a ton of work. So, you know, and I

2:11:14just I just would really I just think we

2:11:18all ought to be careful about that

2:11:19because, you know, one person asks for a

2:11:22statistic and one person asks for an

2:11:24opinion and and I just feel like it's

2:11:26all a lot of work. But if you're

2:11:28confident, then I I trust you. Thank

2:11:30you.

2:11:31>> Thank you.

2:11:33>> Yeah. I look at this, I'm like, "Yeah,

2:11:35let's keep our head down. Let's get

2:11:36these things done. Let's move on to the

2:11:37next. Let's just keep it moving." I'd

2:11:40like to recognize Council Member

2:11:41Garamel, but Council Member Kesling,

2:11:43we're kind of in our second round now.

2:11:47>> Okay. Council member Kesling, followed

2:11:49by Council Member Johnson, please. Um,

2:11:53I wanted to echo Mayor Pro Timber's uh

2:11:56comment as well and to say that I

2:11:58appreciated the um the materials being

2:12:01provided ahead of time as well as the

2:12:03here's what um it would be prudent to

2:12:06focus on. Um, and that's certainly what

2:12:08I've done. um in my preparations and I I

2:12:11appreciate that and I hope that also is

2:12:14I'm sure that that is helpful to give us

2:12:16some um you know here's what you need

2:12:18here's what I would like you to focus on

2:12:20and then we have the discussion here so

2:12:22I appreciate that a

2:12:26have you talked with the parks

2:12:28department about the parks master plan

2:12:31>> I have not

2:12:32>> because

2:12:34one of the things in that was um a a my

2:12:39kind of desire for walking before

2:12:41exercise. And I think that would be just

2:12:44good to have um just good to have a

2:12:47conversation I would say um about that

2:12:49before

2:12:51um

2:12:53I think it's I think it's pertinent to

2:12:55uh to to our conversation with the CTP.

2:12:58>> Yeah, we can do

2:13:01>> I'll begin with you Sandy.

2:13:06Thank you, Council Member Johnson.

2:13:09>> So, I am also going to echo and thank U.

2:13:12Mayor Prom Roboti for her comments, and

2:13:15I'm going to ask her to continue to do

2:13:17that um and keep us in check because I

2:13:21think that is a

2:13:24an important question

2:13:27that we should all answer. Um and I

2:13:30think we should be mindful of that. So,

2:13:32I appreciate that comment.

2:13:37Okay, this was an item for information.

2:13:40Did you get what you need from us?

2:13:42>> I did. I appreciate how engaged you all

2:13:44are in this and um I'll be back in

2:13:47December to share the next round of

2:13:50information before we move to wrap

2:13:52everything up.

2:13:53>> Okay, wonderful. Thank you very much.

2:13:56Appreciate your time. Brett, you're

2:13:58looking questioning like there's

2:14:00something else.

2:14:03Okay.

2:14:07Okay, we're starting to wrap up uh the

2:14:09open session of our meeting. If you are

2:14:12interested in knowing more about our

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2:14:23We're going to move on to council

2:14:24comments at this time. Council member

2:14:25Scar Johnson will share first and we'll

2:14:27be followed by council member Garamela.

2:14:30>> No comments tonight. Thank you. Council

2:14:32member Garamela, followed by Council

2:14:34Member Johnson, please.

2:14:36>> No comments.

2:14:37>> Council member Johnson, followed by

2:14:38Council Member Patel, please.

2:14:40>> Okay, I'm going to say no comments. We

2:14:41still have a full agenda when we get to

2:14:44close session.

2:14:46>> Council member Patel, followed by

2:14:47Council Member Kesling.

2:14:49>> No comments for me either.

2:14:51>> Council member Kesling, followed by

2:14:52myself. I wanted to say that I

2:14:55appreciate the staff's um handling of

2:14:58the um water main break. Uh we had a

2:15:01very good comment that uh you know staff

2:15:04did a very good job with uh

2:15:05communicating that. Um as well as

2:15:07looking into the safety measures um as

2:15:09the construction of Airport Boulevard in

2:15:11the Cedar Fork athletic fields

2:15:12progressed. Appreciate that. Um I also

2:15:15want to recognize um Fire Marshall Bird

2:15:17for the Go Pack um assembly event. Um I

2:15:20think she did a really great job and uh

2:15:22it's really important um

2:15:25as really as climate change starts to is

2:15:28impacting the our environment more and

2:15:30more to be prepared. Um and then also

2:15:33officer Barrett who I believe was um

2:15:36officer of the quarter and who I also

2:15:38understand has been catching folks that

2:15:39are endangering um pedestrians uh the

2:15:42the farmers market patrons as they cross

2:15:44the street. I saw him catch two people

2:15:47on Saturday. Um that that really almost

2:15:50hit some folks. So I really appreciate

2:15:52um and I understand I think I spoke with

2:15:54Chief Rosser that that was his he

2:15:56initiated that and wanted to do that and

2:15:58which is probably why he's officer of

2:16:00the quarter. Um so thank you staff for

2:16:03you know all of that. Thank

2:16:06>> yeah. Um a shout out to Ready Wake and

2:16:08let's encourage all our residents go

2:16:10ahead and sign up for that because

2:16:11that'll let us know whenever there's any

2:16:13kind of emergency. Um, and yes, please

2:16:15slow down and stop for people in the

2:16:17sidewalks. I want to say that earlier

2:16:19tonight, we enjoyed welcoming the

2:16:21butterfly artists to town hall. Um, keep

2:16:24an eye out for these great new additions

2:16:26to Morrisville's parks and greenways.

2:16:28Thank you to the Anog Foundation for the

2:16:305K, which is in support of

2:16:32Intellectually Challenged Children. That

2:16:34was a fundraiser at Morsville Community

2:16:36Park. Just wanted to say that our

2:16:38greenways are perfect for a 5K. You see

2:16:40two of our parks and are in shade most

2:16:42of the time. Uh, next to share is

2:16:45Council Member Robati, please.

2:16:48>> No comments. Thank you.

2:16:50>> Town Manager Zuda, do you have any

2:16:51comments at this time?

2:16:54>> No comments. I think Kayla has a bit of

2:16:56an overview for you about how we'd like

2:16:58to handle the close session and the

2:17:00coming out to vote when you're ready to

2:17:01do that.

2:17:03>> Okay. Uh, we are

2:17:04>> before we move to that, we were also

2:17:06going to discuss retreat uh timing if we

2:17:10still are going to do that this evening.

2:17:12Let's let's hold that.

2:17:16>> Okay. Uh Templator Courtley, we're ready

2:17:18to go into what you think is the best

2:17:21procedure going forward for our two

2:17:23close sessions and then coming back into

2:17:24open session.

2:17:25>> Great. So on your agenda, you have um

2:17:27A3, which is to protect attorney client

2:17:30privilege. That's for the Western

2:17:31Farmers Market Agreement. And then after

2:17:33that, you have A6 to pro to discuss a

2:17:35personnel matter. Um, I'm going to

2:17:37recommend that you go in to close

2:17:39session per A3 to protect attorney

2:17:41client privilege. Once you finish that

2:17:43discussion, we'll come back out. The

2:17:45stream will still be going. They'll

2:17:46unmute it when that is over so we can

2:17:48make the announcement on stream for

2:17:50anyone watching and for those in the

2:17:51room and then you can rego into close

2:17:53session for A6 for personnel. So, I will

2:17:57ask you make a motion for A3 to protect

2:17:59the return privilege. I'd like to make a

2:18:02motion that we enter close session

2:18:04pursuant to NCGS143-318

2:18:0911 A3

2:18:12to protect a cling attorney client

2:18:15privilege and to to just as a matter of

2:18:18attorney client privilege. That's what

2:18:19we're doing in A3.

2:18:20>> Yes.

2:18:21>> Okay.

2:18:22>> Oh, and A6 is the next one.

2:18:24>> Yeah.

2:18:25>> Okay. I have a motion from member body.

2:18:29Can I get a second, please?

2:18:31>> Second.

2:18:32>> A second from Council Marlin. All those

2:18:34in favor of entering a close session for

2:18:35that item, please say I. I. Any opposed?

2:18:39Hearing none, that carries unanimously.

2:18:4070. It is 8:05. We are now in close

2:18:43session. If we could please clear the

2:18:44room. Um, appreciate it.

3:07:54And the microphones are back on.

3:07:57>> I know they're still here.

3:08:00>> I remember the day when I used to say

3:08:13manager. Let me Are we streaming again?

3:08:16Were you back on?

3:08:17>> Double check.

3:08:18>> Thank you, sir.

3:08:25>> Looks like microphones are back on

3:08:29and the live stream is live.

3:08:32>> Okay, we are back. We concluded our

3:08:34first close session. It's 8:55 p.m. Now,

3:08:37I'd like to recognize Council Member

3:08:38Johnson for a motion.

3:08:40>> So, I make a motion to approve

3:08:42resolution 2026-330-0

3:08:47of the Morsel Town Council authorizing a

3:08:49lease agreement with the Western White

3:08:51Farmers Market, Inc.

3:08:53>> Second. A motion from Councilman

3:08:56Johnson, a second from Council Member

3:08:57Kling. All those in favor, please say I.

3:08:59>> I.

3:09:00>> Any opposed? That carries unanimously.

3:09:0270. It is 8:56 and that is the

3:09:06conclusion of our public business at

3:09:08this time.

3:09:10Thank you very much for joining us.

3:09:12Appreciate it. We look forward to

3:09:13continuing our relationship with the

3:09:15Western Farmers Market. You're doing a

3:09:17great job.

3:09:19At this time, I'd entertain a motion to

3:09:21enter close session.

3:09:23>> I'd like to make a motion that he enter

3:09:24close session. pursuant

3:09:31pursuant to

3:09:34uh NCGS143-318-11

3:09:39A6 to discuss a personnel.

3:09:42>> I'll second

3:09:43>> a motion from me body, a second from

3:09:45council member Johnson to enter close

3:09:47session. All those in favor, please say

3:09:48I. I.

3:09:49>> Any opposed? Hearing none, that carries

3:09:51unanimously. 70. It's 8:56. We are now

3:09:54in close session.