2026-09-22 - City Council

00:12This is going to be fine.

00:14>> Thank you. Everything's good.

02:40All right. I'd like to call this

02:42September 22nd meeting of city council

02:45to order. Madame clerk, will you please

02:48call the role?

02:49>> Council member Greg.

02:50>> Council member Sheiley

02:52>> here.

02:52>> Council member McBride

02:54>> here.

02:54>> Council member Poke. Council member

02:56Brady

02:57>> present.

02:57>> Council member Dalisandro. Council

03:00member Wearing. Council member Segings,

03:03Council Member Tinkler, Council Member

03:05Bowen, Council Member Appal, Council

03:08Member Scardan, Mayor Cogwell

03:11>> here. I'd now like to ask Council Member

03:13Tinkler to give the invocation and lead

03:15everybody in the pledge of allegiance.

03:19>> Thank you. If you pardon my voice, um

03:22I'm losing it. Um if we could bow our

03:25heads, all stand. Gracious God, 37 years

03:29ago, a powerful storm came ashore that

03:32shattered any sense that we were in

03:34control. As we gather tonight, grant us

03:37the serenity to accept what lies beyond

03:40our power and the understanding to act

03:42uh where our choices have meaning. Help

03:45us take this city as it is, not as we

03:48might wish it, and leave it better than

03:50we found it. teaches to see hardship not

03:53as an ending but as a doorway and to

03:56meet each decision one at a time with

03:57patience, determination and humility.

04:00Together we are resilient. Amen.

04:02>> Amen.

04:05>> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the

04:08United States of America and to the

04:10republic for which it stands. One nation

04:14under God, indivisible with liberty and

04:17justice for all.

04:23Okay,

04:25tonight we have two very important

04:29proclamations.

04:31Uh the first one is honoring the life

04:35and memory of Miss Martha Rivers Ingram.

04:38And I'd like to call on her brother John

04:40and other members that are here tonight

04:42from the arts community to join me up if

04:44you will on the das as I read this

04:48resolution. Come on up. Come on up. Come

04:50on up. We got a lot of people here.

04:54That's

04:57a different show.

05:00>> Thank you.

05:01>> How are you?

05:04Good to see you.

05:09>> Hello, beautiful. Good to see you.

05:13>> Come on up, guys. Come on up. Crowd it

05:15in.

05:23Come on. We can make room. We can make

05:24room.

05:27>> That's right. That's right.

05:29Keep moving. Keep moving.

05:35>> Come on, guys. I got I Hey, I got little

05:38league teams to do better than this,

05:39guys. Come on. [laughter]

05:42>> No pictures.

05:43>> No. Yeah, they're gonna be pictures.

05:47All right. Whereas Martha Rivers Ingram

05:51was born in Charleston, South Carolina

05:53on August 20th, 1935 and was raised and

05:56educated in this city, attending Ashley

05:59Hall before continuing her studies at

06:01Bassor College. And whereas although she

06:04went on to build her career and family

06:06life in Nashville, Tennessee following

06:08her 1958 marriage to Bronson Ingram,

06:11Martha Rivers Ingram remained deeply and

06:14actively invested in Charleston for the

06:17whole of her life. And whereas having

06:19already led the development of the

06:21Tennessee Performing Arts Center in the

06:231970s and the Shermer Horn Symphony

06:26Center in the early 2000s, Martha Rivers

06:29Ingram brought that same experience and

06:32resolve to Charleston, where she

06:34personally committed the first 20

06:36million towards the redevelopment of the

06:38Gillyard Center and ultimately helped

06:40raise nearly half of the project's total

06:42cost. And whereas the redevelopment of

06:45the Gilliard Center followed closely on

06:48the heels of the renovations of the Dock

06:50Street Theater and the Meer Auditorium,

06:52now known as Festival Hall, continuing a

06:55broader revitalization of Charleston's

06:58performing arts venues, to which Martha

07:00Rivers Ingram's leadership and

07:02generosity were central.

07:06And whereas in supporting the Gillyard

07:08Center, Martha Rivers Ingram insisted

07:10that the project reflect the true

07:12partnership between the private

07:14philanthropy in the city of Charleston,

07:17believing that any major public

07:19institution must be shared and sustained

07:22by the whole community in order to

07:25endure. And whereas Martha Rivers

07:27Ingram's dedication to the arts in

07:30Charleston extended to Spalato Festival

07:32USA, where her leadership and matching

07:35fundraising campaign she championed in

07:382002 helped stabilize the festival's

07:41finances and secure its lasting home on

07:45George Street.

07:46And whereas Martha Rivers Ingram often

07:49said her motivation was rooted in her

07:51own upbringing in Charleston, where

07:53opportunities to experience great

07:55concerts and performances were limited,

07:58and she was determined that the future

08:00generations of young Charlestonians

08:03would not face the same limitations.

08:06And whereas Martha Rivers Ingram passed

08:08away on August 6, 2026, and the city of

08:12Charleston wishes to honor her memory

08:14and give lasting recognition to her

08:17extraordinary contributions to this

08:19city. Now, therefore, I, William S. Cogs

08:22will mayor of the city of Charleston on

08:24behalf of the city of Charleston to

08:26hereby celebrate the life and legacy of

08:29Martha Rivers Ingram and extend our

08:31sincere gratitude to her family for the

08:35years of generosity and leadership that

08:38she gave this community.

09:00We get one picture with the

09:01proclamation.

09:03>> Okay. How come that's

09:16Absolutely.

09:18>> Thanks.

09:19>> Absolutely. Glad to do it. Quite an

09:21honor.

09:22>> All right. Thanks, guys. Now, y'all can

09:24make your way back a little faster, I

09:26think, than you made your way up.

09:28[laughter]

09:34>> Huh?

09:35>> You want to sit up? Sit down. Have Have

09:36a seat.

09:56All right. Next up, we have a

09:59proclamation recognizing

10:02Mesotheloma Awareness Day. And I'd like

10:05to ask uh James Ledley, James Ledley, I

10:10got it right, um to join me up here on

10:13the dasis.

10:16See you.

10:20Whereas meotheloma is an aggressive

10:24asbestous related cancer that affects

10:26the linings of the lungs, abdomen,

10:28heart, and other organs. And whereas the

10:31heavy use of asbestous in manufacturing,

10:33industry, and construction has been

10:35recognized as the worst occupational

10:38health hazard in US history. And whereas

10:41asbestous was used in the construction

10:43of virtually all office buildings,

10:45public schools, and homes built before

10:471975.

10:49And whereas a high percentage of all

10:51messtheloma victims were exposed to

10:53asbast on naval ships and shipyards,

10:56including in Charleston, South Carolina.

10:58And whereas this is now believed to

11:00include many of the firefighters, police

11:02officers, and rescue workers from ground

11:04zero on 911.

11:07And whereas exposure to asbestous for as

11:10little as one month can result in

11:11messotheloma 30 years later. And whereas

11:15because of occupational because of

11:17occupational Navy service related

11:19household or even incidental exposures

11:22and the very long latency of the

11:24disease, tens of millions of Americans

11:26are now at risk for developing

11:28messyloma.

11:30And whereas for decades the needs for

11:32research to develop effective treatments

11:34for metheloma was overlooked. And

11:37whereas the result of this neglect is

11:39that treatments available today

11:41generally have only limited effect and

11:43most patients die within only 12 to 15

11:46months from diagnosis. And whereas the

11:49city of Charleston mourns the recent

11:51passing of Joseph F. Joe Rice,

11:56co-founder of Mley Rice and a fierce

11:59advocate for justice, whose life's work

12:02included fighting on behalf of people

12:05and families harmed by asbestous,

12:08including those affected by metheloma.

12:11And whereas his legacy endures in the

12:14continued fight against metheloma and in

12:18the commitment to raise awareness,

12:20support patient and families, hold

12:23responsible parties accountable and

12:25advance the search for more effective

12:28treatments.

12:29And whereas the establishment of

12:32metheloma awareness day would raise a

12:35public awareness of the disease and the

12:38need to develop effective treatments for

12:40it.

12:41Now therefore, I William S. Cogwell Jr.,

12:43mayor of the city of Charleston, do

12:45hereby proclaim September 26 is

12:48Mesotheloma awareness day in Charleston,

12:51South Carolina, in honor of the legacy

12:53of Joe Rice and in recognition of the

12:56ongoing need to raise awareness, support

13:00patients and families, and advant and

13:03enhance research towards more effective

13:06treatments.

13:09SH.

13:29>> All right. Next, we have uh public

13:34hearings.

13:35Um, we've got nine items on the docket.

13:39I'd like to ask Christopher Morgan to

13:42come up and

13:45uh give a brief presentation.

13:56>> Mayor, council, is this one working? Is

13:59this working?

14:07Test. Test. I think it is. I think it

14:10is, Jennifer.

14:15Okay.

14:22All right. Uh, the first item is 806

14:26Magnolia Road. This is a resoning

14:29request to go from single family

14:31residential SR2 to diverse residential

14:34DR9.

14:36This um is the property is located as

14:39stated on Magnolia Road. It is

14:42immediately adjacent other SR2

14:45neighborhoods. As you can see on this

14:46map here, it's almost entirely single

14:49family development around it. Um we have

14:52that aerial image. There is a older

14:55house. I think about a hundred-y old

14:56house on the lot. It had been all one

14:59parcel up till now. Um there we have

15:03some information on that. We also have

15:04some images here uh of the house that's

15:07on the property and the street view from

15:08of the property.

15:11You can see that there had been an area

15:13character appraisal done of this area.

15:17And um this had been studied the history

15:20of the area had been studied when it had

15:22been laid out. It was a very unique

15:23neighborhood that was laid out with a

15:25central park that is still there today.

15:27Um,

15:29this also showed the actual property

15:32that is the subject property. This

15:34little grid here shows the subject

15:36property and the subject house and what

15:39had originally been laid out. It was

15:41laid out originally as 18 lots. Um, and

15:44this uh shows how that was laid out with

15:46the original Ashleyville Maryville

15:48layouts.

15:50And this was all in the uh uh area

15:52character appraisal for the

15:54neighborhood. Um we had this image just

15:56to get a sense of green spaces that were

15:58in the nearby area. Um of course the the

16:01park that's to the northeast, then the

16:03West Ashley Bikeway to the north. Uh and

16:06then to the south, the Magnolia Park,

16:09and then the uh uh Acriman Park there.

16:12So in the midst of a lot of green spaces

16:14over here. Um in our comprehensive plan,

16:17it is in our suburban category. that

16:19recommends four to eight units an acre

16:23um as does the surrounding area as well.

16:26This item did come to our planning

16:28commission and was recommended for

16:30disapproval by 62 vote. Our staff had

16:33been in support of it because we feel

16:35it's a way to achieve missing middle

16:38housing. I know that there was a lot of

16:40constrnation from the neighborhood about

16:42the fact that there would be potentially

16:45smaller lots or more houses in this

16:47amount of area than they had in their

16:48nearby area. But that is the very

16:50essence of kind of missing middle but

16:52sometimes it is a little bit denser than

16:54standard single family. And our feeling

16:56was that the DR9 which is the closest

17:00district we get to to uh be in line with

17:03what the developer is looking to do on

17:05the site but also be as close as

17:07possible to the comprehensive

17:09recommendation. We don't have a DR8 in

17:11other words. So, we don't have a eight

17:12units sneaker. We don't have a DR7. We

17:14have a DR6 or we have a DR9. And so,

17:17that's limitations of our current zoning

17:20or as well. But um our feeling was that

17:22the DR9 would still be in keeping with

17:25the overall spirit of the comprehensive

17:27plan because once you preserve the older

17:31house on the property, you really

17:33wouldn't end up with nine units an acre

17:36per acre here or 18 total units. You

17:38would have less than that. And that was

17:40what the developer was interested in

17:41doing is less than 18 units. So it was

17:44not going to max out. But anyway, our

17:46staff had um recommended approval, but

17:49planning commission recommended

17:51on this. So we will move on to the next

17:53case which is Jack Primus Road. This was

17:56a property that was annexed in the 1990s

18:00into the city and surveys were a little

18:02bit different then and the way we put

18:05maps into our city system was a little

18:07bit different and it ended up being

18:09unzoneed. Um I'll show you where the

18:11property is. It's next to the Jack

18:13Primus community and so um it's spent

18:16all this time undeveloped, unzoneed. No

18:19one was seeking to develop it. It was

18:21owned by the folks that own some of the

18:23uh Kane Hoy uh development next door.

18:26And now they are interested in selling

18:28that to Habitat for Humanity or maybe a

18:30donation. I don't know the exact

18:31particulars of that situation, but it

18:33will be used by Habitat for Humanity for

18:36affordable housing and it needed a

18:38zoning. So we um looked at the

18:41surrounding area and determined that

18:42based on what habitat wanted to do and

18:44the overall character in the area that

18:46SR1 would work on this site and

18:49recommended for SR1 here. Um and here

18:52you see the undeveloped site right on

18:55Jack Price Road and so that was

18:57recommended for approval. And then we

18:59have 2038 Ironstone Alley. This is a

19:02recent annexation coming in the city as

19:04SR2.

19:06And then there's an image of that

19:07property. We have 1036 Terracotta.

19:10Another recent annexation in West Ashley

19:12would come in the city as SR2 as well.

19:16Here's property. And we have 1028

19:18Terracotta. Recent annexation coming in

19:21the city SR2.

19:24We have 1259 Wisteria Road. Recent

19:27annexation coming in the city as SR2.

19:33Uh then we have 1704 Walpole Way on

19:36John's Island. annexation come in the

19:39city as SR1. It is surrounded by SR1. It

19:43was in one of the county's overlays, but

19:46um uh in general it would have been a

19:48site that um would have been appropriate

19:51for that four units an acre of the SR1.

19:54And then we have um 1805 Huntington

19:57Drive. Oh, I'm sorry. Let's walk. We

19:59have 1805 Huntington Drive and that is

20:02coming in the city.

20:06that one. And then we also have 1631

20:09Main Street on James Island. That would

20:11come in the city as well as

20:15happy to answer any questions you have

20:17about it.

20:24>> We have six people. So, um All right. Uh

20:27we have six people. Let's give a minute

20:29and a half.

20:30>> All right.

20:31>> For our speaker,

20:32>> the time is a minute and a half. And

20:34we'll start with our in-person list

20:35first. Anthony Bryant.

20:45I'm here for one another reason. My name

20:48is Anthony G. Brown, not a Christopher

20:51Esto.

20:53I did a public I did this about my name

20:55first in terms of my my concern for next

21:01era and the minions energies

21:05combination

21:07and so you know

21:09North Charleston the public interest of

21:11this merger will take place and you have

21:13to know council members and make public

21:16comment and your disdain in opposition

21:19for 800,000 rateayers joining another

21:23what 12 million rate so we won't no

21:26longer have

21:28relationship we had before DC summer so

21:30I want to thank our mayor for probably

21:32leading charge conversation secondly the

21:35public interest I thank the mayor to

21:37represent Charleston and west at his

21:39meeting so I want to bring this to the

21:41table mayor we establish a 9 million

21:46value right the housing authority which

21:49I made a public comment I want to put a

21:52regarding the incentive to the county,

21:54Robert Mills. Now, the housing authority

21:56property at $9 million at 40 acres

22:00$2 million.

22:02Okay. 50 acres $50 million. The

22:06peninsula itself is worth 41 billion.

22:125,100

22:13acres under your feet worth over$50

22:16billion.

22:17>> Time.

22:18>> This ain't a minute. This might be Hex

22:21magnitude without her leaving.

22:24>> Right. Jock Stender,

22:30>> Ezra Zankle.

22:40>> Good evening, Mayor.

22:44at 47

22:47property is the property of 806.

22:51I'm asking you to uphold the planning

22:52commission's recommendation and deny

22:54this.

22:56The city has told us that it will not

22:58conditioning.

23:00So tonight's vote is not on houses

23:03or any drawing might shown. It's on the

23:06full PR9 upload permanently for any

23:09future multi buildings of three or more

23:12units.

23:1410 foot rear settzoning

23:18is a transfer of value. The day is

23:21approved, this parcel will be worth more

23:23with nothing built on. The developer has

23:25openly said that the SR2 plan did not

23:28pencil. If DR9 does not pencil either,

23:30the entitlement can simply be sold.

23:33Every promise made this podium, however

23:35sincere, ends at the closing table. And

23:37any future buyer that owns the zone, not

23:41the promises

23:43the only protection that survives.

23:46The city plan designates this area

23:48suburban 4 to 8 units per acre and DR9

23:51allows none. There is no DR9 anywhere

23:54near this site and the planning

23:55commission looked at the same record

23:57that you have heard from 27 residents in

24:00the room and voted 6 to2 that this

24:02request is not consistent with the plan.

24:04The only thing that's changed since that

24:06meeting is that the petition stood at

24:08253 signatures and 33.

24:19>> And if everyone could if everyone could

24:22please hold their applause. Thank you,

24:23Thomas Haran.

24:34Thank the city council for listening. I

24:36live at 29. An I need a drive. This is

24:39not intelligent infill housing. It's not

24:43creating housing for the people who

24:45really need it. Teachers, nurses,

24:48firefighters. It's more property that'll

24:51be sold at close to a million dollars.

24:54There are units right now that you can

24:56buy. Two doors down from me. There's one

24:58in this subdivision. What this is going

25:00to cause is a lot more traffic,

25:03particularly on Magnolia Road where

25:05there are children who get on and off

25:07the bus for multiple schools. It's going

25:10to cause more garbage, a higher risk of

25:12flooding. It sets a terrible precedent

25:16for what might happen with other

25:18properties when they come up for sale.

25:20The planning commission is here to

25:22protect neighborhoods. It's not here to

25:25protect someone who has a million

25:27dollars to speculate in real estate and

25:29wants to make more millions for himself

25:32at the expense of the safety of the

25:34children in the area, property values in

25:37the area and uh the whole character of

25:40the neighborhood. Um all those who are

25:43in opposition here with me tonight in

25:44solidarity, would you please stand to

25:46give them a sense of how many of us are

25:50concerned about this? So, I ask uh that

25:54you please uphold the wise decision um

25:58that was previously made from the

25:59planning commission which voted

26:01overwhelmingly against this and please

26:03protect our neighborhood.

26:05>> William Hicks.

26:15>> Hey everyone, my name is William.

26:1816

26:26and so I'm asking

26:33and in my mind it's a simple economy

26:44this could be presented

26:47out of our property values. I think

26:50about the winners of this potential

26:52resing the developer would be a winner.

26:55It's an opportunity to put the maximum

26:57number of units in this area to increase

27:01his return on investment. Maybe city

27:03council is a winner.

27:09So I just normal tax here to ask you

27:13pleaseing

27:17It's a great place to be.

27:20>> All right. And we'll go to our online

27:22list. We do have a citizen. They did not

27:25put down if they were speaking under

27:26citizens participation or public

27:28hearings. Um, but if you are online and

27:31need to speak to a public hearing, you

27:33can press star six to unmute yourself.

27:35Daniel Danielle Stetszel.

27:40And if not, we'll come back to you

27:41during citizens,

27:47>> Danielle.

27:53>> All right. Um, we did receive some

27:56comments um online and I will summarize

27:59those for you. We had eight comments

28:01that were received expressing opposition

28:04to the resoning of 806 Magnolia Road.

28:08One petition was received expressing

28:10opposition to the resoning of 806

28:12Magnolia Road and it included 313

28:16signatures. And those are all the

28:18comments that we received on public

28:19hearings.

28:24>> Okay. Any uh further questions, comments

28:26from members of council?

28:28>> I have one for item

28:30>> item seven, Mr. Mayor, but I can wait

28:31until we we vote on we get to that spot

28:34>> on on number seven.

28:35>> Item seven. Yes, sir.

28:36>> Okay. Any uh Councilman uh Se

28:41>> I thought we probably should take number

28:42one separately if we're going to do any

28:44bulk voting tonight. Let's take number

28:46one separately, please.

28:47>> All right. So, can I get a motion for

28:48item one?

28:52>> Well, I think the parliamentarian Brady

28:55may

28:56object to my order on here, but I I

28:59think my my motion is to accept the

29:03recommendation of the planning

29:04commission on this one. I I don't know

29:07if that's the proper order. Um but you

29:10get my drift. I think it is

29:11>> to deny. That's correct.

29:13>> I'll pull the planning commission. I I

29:15second that.

29:16>> So we have a motion to deny on item one.

29:18Any further question? Properly seconded.

29:20Any further questions, comments?

29:22>> I think just just to support that. I

29:25mean I I realize this is a very

29:26complicated issue. I know, you know,

29:31obvious, you know, we we we say all the

29:34time about the city's interest in

29:36developing workforce housing, missing

29:38middle housing. It's um you know, in

29:42this in this day and age of rising

29:44costs. I mean, it's absolutely

29:45necessary. And you know, I think Mr.

29:48Mayor, you've uh you know, you've spent

29:50a lot of time working on this issue. So,

29:53that's certainly appreciated and and

29:55noted. I think you my concerns here are

29:59are similar to the concerns that the

30:00planning commission had um just and Mr.

30:04Morgan kind of alluded to this a little

30:05bit the challenge that the planning

30:07department had in trying to find the

30:09closest

30:11the closest zoning classification to

30:13achieve these goals. And I know some of

30:16the the the residents who commented

30:18tonight

30:20really identified the issue here that we

30:22are providing zoning uh that exceeds

30:26what what we as a council have have has

30:29said is the proper planning at least

30:31over the course of the next 10 years. So

30:33um I I just feel you know when we're

30:35when we're opening that door it's

30:37probably not a good planning. Um and I

30:40think um you know this is this is a

30:43tough issue. I know uh Councilman Appel

30:46uh who's tried to highlight this problem

30:48and I think he probably wants to talk a

30:50little bit about it tonight as well, but

30:51because it is a real problem and we we

30:53need to address our zoning code from the

30:56from the 80s and before that are having

30:59a hard time achieving these goals that

31:02we are struggling with today. So I I say

31:05all that to support my motion. Uh I

31:07don't know if anybody else has anything

31:09to add to that, but

31:10>> So you make a great point. I think that

31:13um uh uh and I appre we do appreciate

31:16the applicant coming to CD and giving a

31:19presentation. Some of the speakers

31:21tonight did um highlight the the

31:23relevant fact though that there's no

31:26guarantee that that's the plan that

31:27ultimately would be submitted and

31:29certainly respect that zoning is zoning.

31:31It does, I think to your point,

31:33Councilman Tinkler, speak to some of the

31:37real needs for uh our update to the

31:40zoning uh code which is underway. And

31:44that is not to pack more houses in, but

31:46it is trying to it will hopefully try to

31:49help better give us the tools to better

31:52balance more housing, more missing

31:54middle that does remain within the

31:57character uh and context of context of

32:01these neighborhoods, not just in West

32:03Ashley, but uh city at large. So

32:05certainly appreciate the speakers that

32:07have come out tonight. Uh appreciate

32:09your passion. Uh at the same time,

32:11respect the applicant. Um, I think that

32:13they are looking to do something that is

32:16important to the city. Uh, but we have a

32:18motion to defer if there's I'm excuse me

32:22to uh to deny. Excuse me. Uh, we have a

32:26motion that's been properly seconded to

32:27deny. If if there's any further

32:29question, if there's no further question

32:30or comment, I call for a vote. You have

32:33a

32:34>> I do have a comment. Uh, Mr. Mayor, if

32:36you were, Mr. Morgan, can you pull up

32:38the zoning map again showing the site

32:40again?

32:41Uh, I'm gonna talk about some of the

32:44time I did on the planning commission.

32:46Okay. I only did 17 years.

32:49>> Sentence to 17 years.

32:51>> That sentence is 17 years.

32:52>> It's hard time.

32:53>> And and and the harshest part about it,

32:55they sent me here. But um

33:03yeah, right there. Go back to previous

33:06one. Right there. Okay. Um,

33:09SR2 is pretty much all around this area

33:12and I I my respected colleague, Council

33:15Member Appel and I on the same page when

33:18it comes to infill. Okay. But one of

33:21your turns, Mr. Mayor's uh, pencil. You

33:25really don't cram units in until it

33:27pencils. I mean, in this particular

33:28case, when you got a surrounding area

33:30pretty much SR SR2, Mr. uh, Morgan, most

33:34of these neighborhoods

33:37Well, it's pretty much SR2 around it.

33:41Um,

33:42to go to SR9

33:45to go to SR9 on that. As a matter of

33:47fact, put the color pick up showing the

33:49uh houses the Google shot. You just had

33:52it. Yeah. Right. So, if you would be in

33:55a helicopter, pretty much everything

33:57around there is SR2 and then bang, you

34:00get SR9 in the middle of that. You know,

34:03years and years ago, we would have

34:04called that spot zoning, which is

34:06against the law. Okay. But the failing

34:09here is that we don't have the right

34:12zoning category. So that you go to a

34:14zoning category that will qualify the

34:17number of units until it pencils. How

34:20hypothetically, if that property were

34:22the other way, instead of being

34:23perpendicular to Magnolia Road and was

34:26parallel to Magnolia Road, then you

34:28could access infrastructure that already

34:32exists. The water, the sewer, the

34:34drainage is all on Magnolia Road. In

34:36this case, you got to punch a road in

34:38and create smaller lots so you can pay

34:42for the infrastructure, road, water,

34:45sewage, curb, and guttering and all of

34:46that. So, um, these neighbors are right.

34:50Uh, but hopefully I'm looking forward to

34:52our zoning rewrite because to say only

34:56one house or two houses should be on

34:58that track probably is not right. uh but

35:02SR9

35:03uh is not the solution. Thank you.

35:07>> Any further questions, comments on this?

35:09>> Mr. Mayor, just a parliamentary in

35:10inquiry. A vote I is to deny

35:14>> deny

35:14>> and accept the denial of the planning

35:16commission. Correct.

35:18>> All right.

35:19>> To accept the planning commission's

35:21recommendation.

35:23Um, pardon my ignor a little bit of my

35:25ignorance here, but would a

35:29does a tiff not help in this situation

35:32to build the road and get the

35:33infrastructure in place?

35:35>> It it potentially could, but it this

35:37does not uh sit in a tiff overlay. So,

35:41um and and also tiffs are typically

35:456% or commercial property assessment.

35:48>> Yes. and [clears throat]

35:51and uh Councilman Pel, I mean, Phil, I I

35:54I know you can educate the public better

35:57than I can on these issues, but I, you

35:59know, I I mean, this is the struggle

36:01here because I mean, I I do think Mr.

36:04Stribbling

36:05has, you know, I mean, he he's pushed

36:08this through the TRC under SR2 and and

36:12um I, you know, I I have no reason to

36:15doubt his his economic

36:19predicament that he's in. And because

36:21I've heard from other builders across

36:23the local builders who are um who are

36:26trying to do this, I mean, Councilman

36:28Delesandro

36:30talks about public funding to support

36:32these projects. I think the builders are

36:34trying to do this without public funding

36:36and without public subsidy and and that

36:39that's the problem is is you know we're

36:41here trying to solve this problem and uh

36:45we don't have we don't have unlimited

36:48public resources to address this issue.

36:50So we need to rely on the private

36:54community to help us achieve these

36:55goals. And and I think um yeah it's a

36:58it's an effort. They worked hard on it.

37:00I think, you know, it our our rules just

37:02don't work here and certainly something

37:05that we should be addressing going

37:07forward. But on this particular issue, I

37:09think um we need to agree with the

37:12planning commission. Okay. So, we've got

37:14a motion uh probably seconded. I'm a

37:16call for a vote. All remember I vote is

37:19to go with the planning commission and

37:21deny zoning requests. All those in

37:23favor, please signify by saying I.

37:25>> I opposed. Eyes have it. All right. Can

37:29I get maybe a motion to take items two

37:32through six for approval?

37:35Items two through

37:36>> a point of order. Uh item two is a

37:39second reading. So we would need to do

37:41>> uh man, thank this guy. I tell you what.

37:43Um so we're going to take second. I'm

37:46going to amend my motion to take item

37:49two second reading by.

37:52>> Have a motion made progly seconded. All

37:55those in favor signify by saying I.

37:57>> I. opposed. Eyes have it.

37:58>> I would move for third reading

38:00ratification.

38:00>> A motion made properly seconded on third

38:02reading. All those in favor, please

38:04signify by saying I.

38:05>> I.

38:07>> Eyes have it. Now I'm going to ask for

38:09items three or five.

38:12>> Well, we want to keep seven out.

38:15>> Okay.

38:16>> So, three through six. I'm going to make

38:18the motion for approval.

38:23>> Motion made, probably seconded. All

38:25those in favor, please signify by saying

38:27I.

38:28>> I.

38:29>> Opposed?

38:32Eyes have it. I'm going to take item

38:35number seven. Can I get a motion before

38:38I get discussion?

38:39>> Move for approval.

38:40>> Second.

38:40>> Second.

38:41>> Okay. Give the second to you, Council

38:43Member Abroad. Let you have the floor.

38:45>> Okay. Thanks, Mr. Mayor. Just want to

38:46take this opportunity

38:48uh for a lot of my constituents who have

38:52um scar tissue over the decades when

38:55they hear annexation on John's Island or

38:57James Island there's a perception that

39:00that means we're

39:03annexing from the county into the city

39:05and that equates to some kind of

39:07upzoning which is not necessarily the

39:09case and usually is not the case. So I

39:11wanted I asked Mr. Morgan, if he would

39:13just spend about five minutes or less to

39:15explain this for the constituents that

39:18this is a great example where there's a

39:21pocket of county land in the middle of

39:23annexed city land that they're asking to

39:26be annexed in. And Mr. Morgan, if you

39:29can explain what that means in reality,

39:31and this is a great example of what

39:33typically happens around John's Island

39:35and other parts of Charleston.

39:38>> Yeah, this is a donut hole. It's in an

39:41existing neighborhood that was built

39:43roughly around the same time, 6070s.

39:46And uh for whatever reason, some parcels

39:49had already annexed into the city, but

39:51there were, you know, definite donut

39:53holes such as this parcel. And so uh

39:55periodically we get requests from folks

39:58who are on those parcels who would

39:59rather be in the city for whatever

40:01reason. In this instance, they wanted to

40:03come in the city. It's a single family

40:05house. The single family houses around

40:08SR1. So we recommended SR1

40:12the planning commission on that. It was

40:13also in line with our comprehensive plan

40:16and those are things that we use when

40:18when um uh annexations are coming into

40:20the city.

40:22>> And just to uh pull the thread a little

40:24bit more um comprehensive plan law was

40:27passed by the state in 1994 if I'm not

40:29mistaken. Before that, it was maybe a

40:31little bit more half-hazard, but since

40:33then, the county and the city and the

40:36county and the towns and cities more or

40:38less in the same area that they ex that

40:41coexist, the the comprehensive plan

40:44results in equivalent or is close to

40:46equivalent as possible zoning. So the SR

40:50the county land right there until the

40:53annexation was I think you said four

40:55units per acre which is what also the

40:58SR1 happens to be for the city. So

41:00there's actually no no change at all as

41:03to units per acre on that property

41:06like

41:07these were all R4 properties. They were

41:09added to the count's overlay. I'm not

41:12quite clear why they took partials that

41:15were not on the band faculty and put

41:17them in the middle of the neighborhood

41:19overlay, but that is what it is. Um, so

41:21that the other

41:24allowances there nobody taking advantage

41:26of those over there.

41:27>> And one last question, what is some

41:29examples of advantages for someone to

41:31annex into the city in a situation like

41:33this?

41:38>> It may

41:40have to do business rather with the

41:43city. Sometimes we find that people feel

41:44like our building inspections or things

41:46like that work better than the counties.

41:48Um

41:49>> they also get uh full um rebate of the

41:53local auction sales tax that comes to

41:55the city that reduces their property

41:57taxes pretty significantly.

42:02>> Yeah. So that's

42:04>> and

42:06septic potentially to Charleston water

42:08system, things like that. control,

42:11>> right? And the mayor hit on one of the

42:13biggest points that that uh I have had

42:14to learn over the last couple years is

42:16is is it's they actually the the land

42:19owner actually gets a financial benefit

42:21from annexing into the city. They don't

42:22pay more taxes. They actually get a net

42:25decrease in what they're paying because

42:26of the local local option sales tax that

42:29the city collects and distributes to

42:31residents. And it's the best way for the

42:32city to grow without going out further

42:35and further into the hinterland and

42:37taking down more large tracks of trees

42:39and ex uh extending the city's

42:41boundaries. Growing internally, uh with

42:44these annexations,

42:46uh represents a much more efficient use

42:49of government resources.

42:52So, uh we have the the conversation. I

42:55appreciate you bringing that up,

42:57Councilman Wearing.

42:57>> Just one other thing. The city and the

43:00county has an urban growth boundary line

43:02that goes around. That's right.

43:03>> And for about 30 to 35 years almost now

43:06have really respected that line and not

43:08let density go uh over the line and that

43:11that makes a difference. Some cities

43:14unfortunately don't recognize it. But

43:16>> we held the line. We we continue to hold

43:18the line.

43:18>> We could hold the line.

43:19>> Um so we have a motion made properly

43:21seconded for approval on item seven. If

43:24there's no further discussion on this, I

43:25appreciate the education. Councilman

43:28McBride, I think it's important for

43:29people to know these nuances. Um, if

43:32there's no further comments, uh, all

43:34those in favor signify by saying I.

43:37>> I.

43:37>> Opposed? Eyes have it. Now, uh, maybe we

43:41could take eight and nine together for

43:43approval.

43:45We have a motion made, properly

43:46seconded. All those in favor signify by

43:49saying I.

43:50>> I.

43:50>> Opposed? Eyes have it. Uh now would like

43:53to move on to approval of the September

43:578th council minutes and a motion.

44:01Second. All those in favor signify by

44:04saying I.

44:05>> I.

44:05>> Opposed. Eyes have it. We are now on to

44:07citizens participation period. Madame

44:10clerk. How many people do we have signed

44:11up?

44:11>> We have I think we had one person who

44:14signed up under public hearings that

44:16meant to speak during citizens

44:18participation. We have about 14.

44:2114. Um,

44:24well, let's give them a minute because

44:27we've got a 30 minute cap on it.

44:29Sometimes they go a little bit over. I'm

44:31going to ask those that are here to

44:33speak tonight,

44:35or rather remind those that are here to

44:36speak tonight, um, that we ask you to

44:40follow the rules of decorum. Um, that

44:43this is not a question and answer. We

44:45are here to hear your voice, hear your

44:48points of view.

44:50uh and we ask that you be civil and

44:52respectful. We in turn will do the same.

44:55And if you do not adhere to the rules of

44:57the quorum, I'll give you one warning.

44:58If you continue, uh you will be asked to

45:01leave. So, Madam Clerk, will you please

45:03call the first speaker?

45:04>> All right. We will start with the um

45:07in-person list first. Anthony G. Bryant.

45:18First Amendment grief. This is my mail

45:21in my house. Tore up, looked at, read.

45:25The governor of South Carolina sends me

45:27something. I didn't even I didn't even

45:29tampering with my mail. The postal

45:30service expected here. Get it to the

45:32mayor. Give it to the mayor. Give it to

45:35the mayor. And this is why I live

45:37downtown Charles. It was tampering and

45:38ripped up. And this how he feel about

45:40me. That's I don't feel that way about

45:42myself. But I'm a Charles. So it

45:44happens, I guess, out of Lexington

45:46County somewhere. But I don't roll like

45:48that. At the end of the day, we have to

45:51be about the first amendment in

45:52Charleston. And what the mayor said is

45:54we're one Charleston. So we can't let

45:56people do this kind of stuff and have me

45:58come and meet act crazy, right? And have

46:00Cheeto getting stupid. No, I'm going to

46:02come here and be respectful of my city

46:04council regardless of what happens to me

46:06to show our young people the importance

46:08of the quorum. How to be respectful in

46:11the process even when it don't work for

46:13you. But it work for you. You still have

46:16to name things as a brother and sister

46:18when you put this work in. You can't

46:21take the work in the right way. Don't

46:23don't put put the work in the right way

46:25like Dr. King did. Don't be in here

46:27doing the work the wrong way.

46:31>> Samuel Schumain

46:43Drive.

46:44concerns about the pickle ball court

46:46that's proposed at Parkore Park. Um, so

46:49my house

46:52and I appreciate the discussion.

46:55>> Can you speak a little closer into the

46:57mic just so we can catch Okay, thank

46:59you.

47:00>> Concerns about the noise pollution which

47:02affects the livability of the

47:05residential area around it um and also

47:07the property value. We think that uh

47:09this also kind of conflicts with the um

47:12articles of the parks and wreck to

47:14protect the tranquility of the

47:16surrounding residential area. Um in

47:19addition to um those concerns, we also

47:22concerns about um who these pickle ball

47:24courts would serve in the future. Um we

47:27asked for an independent noise

47:29commission to look at the uh noise

47:31pollution that would be created by the

47:33pickle ball courts in addition to

47:35additional meetings so that the public

47:37and community be aware of these works.

47:43And our next speaker we have um Robert

47:47Nie

48:00understand the matter approval has

48:04appreciate simply transparency with

48:06regards to decision to put there.

48:10There's some concerns about noiseion

48:12additionally. concerns about use of

48:14funds in the park. I believe uh some the

48:17baseball field shed in park some other

48:19areas in the park appear to be long

48:21funded and I'm just wondering if the

48:24courts are in fact the best use of funds

48:26addressing the needs of this park and

48:29also compatibility neighborhood. I do

48:31appreciate the fact that

48:34there's going to be some public

48:41>> Laura Stoil.

48:46>> I'm here again about food truck food

48:49cart issue. Um I was very surprised last

48:52time I came I spoke about the um

48:57different things that were going to be

48:58allowed to have like the generators and

49:01different items.

49:02Maybe I maybe I was confusion but when I

49:05got home the next day I read second then

49:08that you allow tents and you allow food

49:12with trailers where it should be

49:15originally as a push cart especially

49:17down by the exchange building. We really

49:20want a tent with folding tables and

49:24table thoughts and just craziness. So

49:28maybe should we look at that and maybe

49:30rethink what we really want to be

49:34allowed. It should be a push card, a

49:36hand push cart that that works with the

49:40sites of Charleston. Thank you,

49:43>> Helen Doville.

49:48Helen Doville,

49:51Grayson Padone

50:09is just another example of something

50:11that's our community across the

50:14decisions are being made quietly against

50:17the will. people are asking for and what

50:20concerns me most people

50:22>> sir can you speak into the mic just a

50:25little bit more thank you

50:26>> what concerns me most people that carry

50:28the weight of those decisions are the

50:30ones with the least ability to sustain

50:32them substantial changes have been made

50:35in the means of amendments without a

50:38vote and votes are going through despite

50:40overwhelming documented community

50:42support platform I started on is on the

50:45verge of irrelevance I'm grateful I had

50:47And despite this, it was the hardest two

50:49years of my life, mentally, physically,

50:51and financially. I'm far from alone in

50:54this. For small businesses across this

50:56city, those opportunities are fading

50:58faster than ever, and livelihoods are

51:00being swallowed by people with deeper

51:01pockets. These supposedly small changes

51:04are slowly eroding the way the

51:05Charleston many of us grew up in.

51:08>> I'm

51:12Thank you.

51:14I'll wrap up quickly and say I hope that

51:16Charleston um we know lasts long enough

51:19for the future generations to benefit

51:21from. If our goal is to create a pastel

51:24pictures Miami, we're on the right

51:25track. If the goal is to keep Charleston

51:27the place everyone fell in love with, I

51:30ask, is every decision seemingly big or

51:32small in accordance to that?

51:34>> Nick Salt Marsh.

51:40Well, I'm just here to say thank you.

51:42So, I've been a hotel guy for 25 years.

51:45I decided to totally change careers and

51:48start a paddle club at Trophy Lakes. And

51:51going through this process, I had

51:53absolutely no idea what I was doing and

51:56got an awful lot of support from people

51:58on your team. I just want to recognize

51:59them, please. Firstly, Council Member

52:02McBride, you've been amazing. Robert

52:05Somerfield, Liz Kimsey, Ron Buchcci, Lee

52:09Bachelder, if I said that correctly,

52:11Philip Clapper, Earl Gurley, Annie

52:14Mitchell, David Grace, Kevin Sanders,

52:17and Ma Maggie Edwards. When dealing with

52:19government, I had no clue. And these

52:21people were so kind every single time

52:23and took the time to really guide me and

52:26let me understand the process. And to be

52:29quite frank, it wasn't painful. Thank

52:32you.

52:34Izzy Waldover.

52:43My name is Izzy Waldner. I'm a college

52:45student and I'm a Charleston resident

52:46and I'm here to speak on the 1A

52:47ordinance again. Um I think it's

52:49shameful that this council keeps kicking

52:52the can down the road and delaying a

52:53hearing on the ordinance because they

52:55know that it's unconstitutional and that

52:57the people want it repealed. Um, we were

52:59promised at the last city council

53:01meeting that it would be heard at public

53:02safety committee meeting. The public

53:04safety committee meeting did not have it

53:05on the agenda. It lasted all of five

53:06minutes and it was not brought up even

53:08one time. Um, I am demanding that the

53:11one day ordinance have a hearing at city

53:13council. The people want it repealed.

53:14It's unconstitutional and protesting is

53:16not a crime. Thank you.

53:19>> Marcus McDonald.

53:26>> Hello, my name is Marcus McDonald. I'm

53:28lead organizer of Charleston Black Lives

53:29Matter. I'm here to say the Charleston

53:32city of Charleston needs to take a stand

53:34and specifically council on these

53:36Dominion price hikes and propose

53:39merger/acquisition with next era.

53:41Earlier y'all spoke on me. Sorry, I know

53:45mess that word up. Y know what I mean. M

53:48y'all know the disease. The disease

53:51>> the negative effects that was caused by

53:53that was corporate greed. And we see a

53:55lot of corporate greed going on right

53:56now at the AI data centers, the next era

53:58be building and organizing. And I think

54:00as city of Charleston Council, y'all can

54:04lead the effort in stopping this merger

54:07and some of these price hikes. Some of

54:08the things that y'all can do right now

54:10is a letter of protest or if y'all don't

54:13like that word, complaint um to the

54:15public service commission and formally

54:18intervene with a late petition and ask

54:21for this process be slowed down and have

54:23public meetings on not only the price

54:25hikes but this acquisition so the

54:27community can be give their input. And a

54:30lot of y'all campaign on affordability.

54:32So if y'all did campaign on portability,

54:34I need y'all to tap in immediately to

54:36either myself, my brother Daryl who's

54:37about to speak and my council members

54:40are council member De Allesandre and

54:43council member Poke. So I encourage

54:44y'all to either talk talk myself or talk

54:47with them and we can put some together.

54:49Thank you.

54:50>> All right, Daryl Oie.

54:58>> My name is Daryl Ory. I'm with the

55:00Charleston Community Action Network.

55:02I'm speaking on the behalf of the

55:05citizens of the city of Charleston.

55:08Basically, with the uh Dominion recent

55:10price hike, it's proportion people

55:14likely have gone from $400 to $700. I'm

55:17not even thinking about the seniors who

55:19are only getting $800 to $900 a month

55:22and like they're saying that their price

55:25went up because of fuel. So, but we we

55:28have to pay for fuel too. So, what we're

55:30calling for city

55:32a town hall meeting where the public can

55:34speak with these executives that are

55:36only caring about theirel and their

55:38problems. Basically, this is getting out

55:40of hand. Like I have evidence packet I

55:43would like to submit to the council and

55:45I call like for immediate action because

55:47this like no one's thinking about the

55:49future like crazy

55:54like how can you pay $800 a month for 12

55:57months plus our rent was ridiculous.

55:59Charleston just started $20 an hour.

56:022010 you could be a head chef making

56:051075. Now our basic job pays $20 an hour

56:09$800 a month. We got too much growth in

56:14this city. I just

56:23>> All right. And then um Jock Stender.

56:30All right. All right, we'll go to our

56:31online list, Daniel Stetszel. And if

56:35you're online, you can press star six to

56:37unmute yourself. I do not see anyone

56:40online. So, I think that is it for the

56:43speakers. And then we did receive some

56:46um comments. One letter was received

56:48from Lauren Schuman expressing

56:50opposition to the four pickle ball

56:52courts plan for Parkhore Park and

56:54included signatures from 20 other

56:56individuals. One letter was received

56:58from Joan Fry expressing opposition to

57:01the pickle ball courts and was concerned

57:03at the loss of habitat for the animals

57:04and birds that lived in the woods. Eight

57:06letters were received in favor of the

57:08revised plan to build four pickle ball

57:10public pickle ball courts at Park Shore

57:12Park. One email was received from Ellie

57:16Nice asking the city for additional time

57:18and meaningful neighborhood engagement

57:19before finalizing the four dedicated

57:21court configuration and four comments

57:24were received from Mr. Bryant, which

57:26were sent to city council in full.

57:30>> Thank you, Madam Clerk. That concludes

57:33citizens participation period. We're now

57:35on the petitions and communications.

57:38There are several appointments up for

57:40consideration, commission on women, um

57:44redevelopment and preservation

57:45commission, board of zoning appeals,

57:47site design and tourism commission. Any

57:50>> approval for all recommended

57:52appointment? Motion made for approval on

57:55all items. Uh if there's no further

57:59discussion, I'll just say a lot of

58:02people on this list really appreciate uh

58:05all the citizens being willing to sign

58:07up and um engage and certainly thanks to

58:11all council members for your

58:13volunteering to serve on these

58:15committees as well. These are important,

58:18give us advice, uh perspective, etc. So

58:21we have a motion made, probably

58:22seconded. All those in favor signify by

58:24saying I.

58:25>> I.

58:26>> Opposed. Eyes have it. We've got items

58:29two and through four are being

58:31fasttracked due to time constraints.

58:35>> I would move that we take two through

58:36four together and move their approval.

58:38>> Uh we have a motion to take all two,

58:42three, and four together for approval.

58:44Any further discussion or comments on

58:46any of these items? If not, all those in

58:49favor signify by saying I.

58:51>> I.

58:52>> Opposed? Eyes have it. Um, we are now on

58:56to committee reports. I'd like to call

58:58on council member Greg for ways and

59:00means.

59:02Motion made for approval.

59:04>> Was that with uh do we is that amended

59:08with the deferral or how do how do we we

59:11have the deferral

59:11>> for ways means? It would be amended to

59:14defer.

59:16It would include the deferral just as

59:18amended.

59:19>> Thank you.

59:20>> So, adoption of the committee report as

59:22amended.

59:24>> We have a motion made, properly

59:25seconded. Got one comment, sir.

59:28>> I'm sorry, just one comment.

59:29>> One comment, Council Member McBride. Um,

59:33what I learned about the paddle ball

59:35courts that are now at Trophy Lakes,

59:37speaking of the the pickle ball, um,

59:41friction going on right now, um, and the

59:43pickle ball community will want to

59:44impeach me for saying this, however,

59:46paddle ball courts,

59:48>> padell, see, I'm not even a I'm not even

59:52a expert at this, are much quieter. the

59:56ball is quieter and they built in with

59:58plexiglass walls to help uh keep the

1:00:01sound in and it's about the same size as

1:00:03pickle ball courts and I think it's a

1:00:04lot more fun. So that's all I wanted to

1:00:06say.

1:00:07>> PSA there. Um I like it. Um okay

1:00:11that's right.

1:00:13Um okay we have a motion made probably

1:00:16seconded. All those in favor signify by

1:00:17saying I

1:00:18>> I

1:00:19>> oppose. Eyes have it. We have one clerk

1:00:22just uh let me know that there were two

1:00:25citizens that signed up for citizens

1:00:27participation that she missed.

1:00:29>> Yes. So, we had to call them.

1:00:31>> So, I apologize for that. That was not

1:00:34intentional. I think it just slipped

1:00:36under uh folder there. So, we're going

1:00:39to open that back up and allow those two

1:00:42citizens.

1:00:43>> Just officially, since that's altering

1:00:44the agenda, I would move that we suspend

1:00:46the rules to allow that.

1:00:48>> Okay. We have a motion made to suspend

1:00:49the rule. We have a second. All those in

1:00:51favor uh signify by saying I

1:00:54>> I

1:00:54>> oppos have it. Appreciate our voluntary

1:00:57and keeping us straight.

1:00:59>> Just we call the first reading. The time

1:01:01was amended.

1:01:02>> One minute. Yes. Samuel Schuman.

1:01:04>> Samuel Schuman if you were still here.

1:01:08>> He did.

1:01:08>> Matthew Colburn.

1:01:10>> Matthew.

1:01:12>> Okay.

1:01:13>> Okay.

1:01:13>> Well, we can reach out to them and get

1:01:15their comments for everyone.

1:01:17>> Yes. Please let the record note that we

1:01:20apologize for that. That was certainly

1:01:22not intentional and we look forward to

1:01:23hearing what they have to say. Um the

1:01:27one bill that is up for third reading

1:01:30has been deferred. So we're now on to

1:01:33second readings and we have only one

1:01:36bill up for second reading

1:01:40um that hasn't been deferred. That's

1:01:41item number one. Can I get a motion?

1:01:46Uh motion made, properly seconded. All

1:01:49those in favor signify by saying I.

1:01:52>> I.

1:01:52>> Opposed? Eyes have it. We have no. Can

1:01:56we get a uh motion for third reading?

1:02:01Uh motion made, properly seconded. All

1:02:02those in favor signify by saying I.

1:02:05>> I.

1:02:06>> Opposed?

1:02:07Eyes have it. Like wait, wrong folder.

1:02:12Um

1:02:14and again we have no bills up for

1:02:21first reading

1:02:23which takes us to miscellaneous

1:02:27business. The last agenda item, which

1:02:31the only item there

1:02:33is to announce that the next city

1:02:36council meeting date will be on October

1:02:40the 13th,

1:02:432026 at 5:00 p.m. There's nothing

1:02:45further.