2026-09-28 - Committee on Public Works

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  • This was a public hearing only; the committee took no votes. Councilor Miguel Sanchez was among the members present.
  • Item 7, a petition to abandon the northerly portion of Utah Street from Spruce Street toward Atwells Avenue, was withdrawn at the petitioner's request, and no testimony was taken.
  • Items 1 and 2, two petitions from Providence College to abandon south portions of Cland Street and Dante Street (spellings uncertain) next to college-owned lots, drew no speakers.
  • Item 3, a petition to abandon two portions of Divine Street by the owners of 888 and 908 Eddy Street: their attorney said the street is a paper road, one part paved but serving only the two owners' lots and the other overgrown and impassable, and that the City Plan Commission recommended approval. An applicant said the street is constantly dumped on, that DPW calls go unanswered, and that the owners have been fined and have paid to clean it. A neighboring business owner opposed closing the paved block, saying it is a needed access route for his 22 employees, suppliers and customers because Eddy Street backs up in the afternoon. The applicants' attorney said an appraisal had just been delivered to the clerk. See Divine Street Abandonment Petition.
  • Item 4, a petition by Destiny Partners LLC to abandon portions of Nancy Street north to Mercy Street: the applicant's attorney said the adjoining site is under a state remedial action plan, the land is used as a dumping ground, and the owner wants to fold the right-of-way into cleanup and keep it as a buffer without building on it. The owner also asked for the City's permission to clean and maintain an abandoned cemetery next to the site and agreed to grant access easements for families. The attorney asked for a chance to respond to the City's appraisal figure. See Nancy Street Abandonment Petition.
  • Item 5, a petition to abandon a portion of West Park Street: the petitioner's attorney said police, fire, DPW, parks and planning raised no objections and the City Plan Commission voted unanimously in support, subject to an administrative subdivision and easements. The petitioner described a street light out for 10 years, no sidewalks and an aging fence at the end, and proposed to keep the street open for snow storage and maintain it. A neighbor's letter of support was entered.
  • Item 6, a petition by a resident of 23 Western Street to abandon the dead-end northern terminus of Western Street, a parcel about 30 by 35 feet that she has used for parking for 25 years and wants to buy; the neighbor whose yard abuts it was notified by a note and did not object.
  • The chair closed the hearing after the last speaker.

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00:33Vargas, if anybody is here to testify

00:35and you haven't filled it out yet, we

00:38got the testify sheets in there. You can

00:40put your name on it and all depends on

00:42which um case you want to work on it. We

00:45got bring new pens for you though. Don't

00:47take it.

00:58Good.

01:02It's 5:20.

01:04We're going to start a public hearing

01:06today. It's only a public hearing. We

01:09not we're not going to make decisions.

01:11We're not going to be boring. Is just

01:13listen to the concerns and the

01:15constituents.

01:17That's why we are here today. I want to

01:19welcome

01:20everyone. Thank you for taking your time

01:23and be here present.

01:25Um,

01:27call a meeting for order. Today is

01:29Monday, September 28th, 2026 at 5:30

01:33p.m. Say which meeting members are

01:36present.

01:38Thank you for being here. Uh, Councilman

01:40Justin Royers and Councilman Miguel

01:41Sanchez, your busy schedule.

01:45Welcome.

01:47Uh this time I would like to take uh

01:49item number seven out of order. Ask the

01:51clerk to read the item seven into the

01:53record please.

01:54>> So moved.

01:56>> No.

01:58No motion.

02:01petition from Jeffrey Padua Esquire

02:03Padwa Law LLC one park sweet 5 Proidence

02:06Rhode Island 0293 requesting to abandon

02:09the northerly portion of Utah Street

02:12starting at the intersection of Spruce

02:13Street and running south towards Atwells

02:15Avenue.

02:18>> Thank you. The petitioner has request

02:22that this matter be withdrawled and no

02:24testimony will be taken at this time.

02:29Um,

02:34okay.

02:48I have here two letters from the

02:51petitioner and plus in emails that we

02:54going to put in the record that they

02:56want this matter to withdraw for today.

03:00And that's being said. Now,

03:04uh, Madame Clerk, can you please read

03:07number one into the record?

03:10And

03:11want to ask the city sergeant to bring

03:13up the

03:16signing sheet for item one, please.

03:18>> Petitioner from Mroposa, assistant vice

03:21president, Providence College, one

03:22Cunningham Square, Providence, Rhode

03:23Island, 02908. requesting to abandon

03:26south portion of Cland Street from

03:28Sandingham Avenue abuing lots 196 197

03:32500 all owned by the Providence College.

03:37Thank you.

03:44I don't have anybody for number one.

03:49No.

03:55Uh, okay. That's number one. Nobody to

04:00testify.

04:03That's okay. Um,

04:05can you please

04:09Sergeant, can you please bring in number

04:10two?

04:12>> Number two is petition from Mark

04:13Proposa, assistant vice president,

04:15Province College, one Cunningham Square,

04:16Province, Rhode Island, 0298, requesting

04:18to abandon a south portion of Dante

04:20Street from Vento Street. Buing lots 28

04:23197 235 also owned by Providence

04:26College.

04:28>> Thank you.

04:30>> Anybody for number two? I guess it's the

04:33same

04:35person. Uh we don't have anybody

04:37neither. So

04:39can you please read number three?

04:44Sorry.

04:47Number three is petition of Kelly Morris

04:49Salvat Esquire Daryl Eva LLP one Turks

04:52Head Place sweet 1200 Proidence Rhode

04:54Island on behalf of 888 Eddie Street LLC

04:57and 908 Eddie Street LLC owner of the

04:59real property located at 888 Eddie

05:01Street Province Rhode Island requesting

05:04banning a portion of Divine Street.

05:06>> Thank you. Um Sergeant, can I have the

05:10she number three please?

05:26Thank you.

05:29>> Please state your name and where you're

05:31from for the record, please.

05:32>> Yes. Thank you. Uh good evening, Mr.

05:33Chairman, uh members of the committee.

05:34My name is Joseph Baxter. I'm an

05:36attorney here representing uh the

05:37applicant from Daryl Everett uh LLP. I'm

05:40standing in attorney uh Kelly Morris

05:42Salvatore Stead who submitted this

05:44application on behalf uh of our client.

05:50So I assume the uh the committee members

05:51of course have um received the petition

05:54uh and just by way of brief explanation.

05:56Uh I just wanted to generally describe

05:58the uh the plan as proposed uh for the

06:01abandonment of two portions of Divine

06:03Street. Um both of which are um paper

06:06roads. Uh one part being paved that's

06:09the part looking at the um the map and

06:12the survey provided in the petition.

06:14That would be the portion of Divine

06:15Street that is below Oxford Street. Um

06:17so that is currently passable but only

06:19services um you know my client's lot as

06:23well as the Abutters lot uh directly. Um

06:25both representatives um

06:29from the uh the applicants the two

06:30applicants who have joined in the one

06:32petition are here as well. Um and also

06:34going on to the portion of Divine Street

06:36that uh we seek to abandon uh above

06:38Oxford Street uh that is currently

06:40covered by uh vegetation um and it's not

06:44passable um at this point uh by any

06:46vehicle traffic. Uh as you'll also see

06:49in the um the CPC um letter that they

06:52forwarded after their hearing on this

06:54matter, they do um recommend um approval

06:57uh of this petition for the abandonment,

06:59noting that it uh likely won't have any

07:01adverse uh outcome. uh as far as traffic

07:04goes or utilization of these portions of

07:06Divine Street. Uh one last point I'd

07:09like to note uh as well, the portion uh

07:12of Divine Street below Oxford that is

07:14passable uh or that it is paved um

07:16currently is just kind of accumulating

07:18debris uh a couple of mattresses uh and

07:21other things like that. Um but again,

07:23it's not uh servicing um you know

07:27servicing as a roadway or anything like

07:28that. Um, so with that, I'd be happy to

07:30answer any questions um of the members

07:33or or introduce either of the applicants

07:35if they'd like to hear from them as

07:36well.

07:39>> Any question for the

07:42council Roy

07:52does uh yes,

07:55yes, I talked to him today. Yeah, it's

07:59is where

08:01uh council, do you know that they have

08:03they had to pay some some money for this

08:07property, right? They know about it.

08:09>> Yes. Um I did speak with the uh the

08:11clerk's office regarding that and uh it

08:12was indicated that we received the uh

08:14the hard copy tonight um of the

08:16appraisal and obviously we're expecting

08:18that and we'll look everything over.

08:22>> Thank you.

08:23>> Thank you,

08:25>> Mr. Dan. Gora Goragan.

08:31Sorry if I don't pronounce your name

08:32right. So sorry.

08:35>> It's okay. I'm not surprised. It's

08:36pronounced Gori Ron. My name is Dan

08:38Goran.

08:40I own Hookfast Specialties which is on

08:42Seymour Street between Divine Connects

08:46Seymour and Oxford. Um Hookfast is a

08:49100-year-old company. We've been at

08:51location on Seymour Street for 60 years.

08:54Uh it is uh Divine Street is just below

08:57Eddie Street. It is an access point for

09:00us, my 22 employees, my suppliers, my

09:04customers to get quick access to Allen's

09:07Avenue to go 95 North. Uh Eddie Street

09:10in the afternoon is blocked. It's a

09:12traffic, you know, it's a it's a parking

09:14lot in the afternoon. So it is one block

09:17from Divine Street to Eddie Street.

09:20Eddie Street is block traffic. Every one

09:24of my staff goes to Vine Street and goes

09:26down Oxford to get to Allen's Avenue.

09:29So, this is a critical piece of street

09:31for us. So, closing it. Yeah. You're

09:33going to add minutes every day. We've

09:36been running in that location for 60

09:38years. We want to be good neighbors. We

09:41know the owners.

09:43I don't think we should close the

09:44street. It's too important to us. It's a

09:45critical artery for the operation of my

09:48business. So, I'm pleading with you not

09:50to close it. Any

09:54question for Mr.

09:57Council Royess?

10:14>> Okay.

10:16>> This

10:18Yeah, I got a question. This little

10:19street they're talking about is

10:22I was there yesterday

10:26is a paper street behind the buildings.

10:29It's two buildings A88 and 908.

10:33>> Correct. This is one part. This is the

10:35only part of Divine Street that connects

10:37Seymour to Oxford. It's an actual

10:40street. It's paved. It's maintained.

10:42Now, I understand the frustration of

10:44trash being dumped in that street

10:45because I deal with public works all the

10:47time. I'm on Seymour Street, which is a

10:49dead end street. Our street gets dumped

10:51on all the time and I work closely with

10:53public works and they're great. They

10:55come and pick up the trash. My staff

10:57goes out there and picks up debris on

10:58the road. We handle all the plowing of

11:01the street before the city gets there

11:02usually because we have to have staff

11:04coming in. Again, I have 22 employees on

11:06Seymour Street. This is really important

11:08to us for our operation.

11:11>> Thank you very much for this.

11:12>> Thank you for your consideration.

11:26Can you please read

11:29number one?

11:33>> Uh,

11:37we have you on here.

11:38>> I'm I'm I'm not I'm one of the

11:40applicants.

11:42>> My My name is Jason Sister. I didn't I

11:44didn't sign on that because I was the

11:45applicant.

11:49Thank you.

12:16Thank you very much. Uh, Mr. Jason,

12:19>> good evening. U, my name is Jason Sisto.

12:21I'm one of the applicants uh for 888 and

12:24908 Eddie Street. Um, with respect to

12:27the section of Divine Street that the

12:29previous gentleman was just speaking to,

12:31that street is constantly filled with

12:35debris. Um, there there have been boats,

12:38trailers, u, mattresses. Um, We've had

12:41numerous uh calls into DPW. They do not

12:44respond. We've actually been fined. Uh

12:47both myself and the other applicant have

12:49been fined. You can check the records

12:51because we actually go there, take all

12:53the stuff from the streets, put it on

12:55our on the sidewalk. So that way our

12:57vehicles can pass and people can pass.

12:59As far as access, that street is uh

13:02pretty much a dead end. On one end of

13:04the street is Meeting Street School. So

13:07you can't go I mean you only go from

13:09Meeting Street School to um uh the

13:12opposite side of the street which is the

13:14other side that we're we're abandoning.

13:16So to get back and forth to Allen's A

13:18you would go up one of the other side

13:19streets. You would not go through Divine

13:22to get to Allen's Avenue. There's no

13:24direct access to Allen's Avenue from

13:25Divine. So abandoning this really would

13:29less of a burden on the city, less of a

13:30burden on DPW and us. I mean we're at

13:32the point right now where the trash is

13:34just enormous and it gets to the point

13:37where we're forced not to pick it up and

13:40not to clean it and let the street just

13:41be overburdened and let DPDW deal with

13:44it as they so wish. And we've tried not

13:47to do that. We've been good neighbors.

13:48We spent thousands and thousands of

13:50dollars of our own money in cleaning up

13:52the street and cleaning up that area.

13:54So, I would compel you guys to actually

13:57look at it from that perspective that

13:59and and this is going to be put back

14:00onto the tax ro. It's going to be a a

14:02much better use than what it currently

14:04is versus having the inconvenience as he

14:07said a few minutes out of the way. So,

14:09thank you for your time.

14:11>> Thank you very much.

14:15Okay,

14:20Madame Craig, can you please read number

14:21four?

14:23>> Number four. Petition from Dylan

14:24Connley, Esquire, Rhode Island Land Use

14:26Law, 123 Dia Street, 3B, Proven, Rhode

14:29Island, 02903, on behalf of Destiny

14:31Partners LLC, requesting to abandon

14:34portions of Nancy Street ing north until

14:36it reaches Mercy Street.

14:40>> Sergeant, can I get the list on number

14:41four?

14:50>> Thank you.

15:02Uh, my jersey.

15:14Are you for number five?

15:17>> This is number four.

15:19>> Did you Did you do the right one, Matt?

15:21Right on the right one.

15:26number. Um,

15:32>> he pick up the

15:37>> Make sure they're

15:57Sorry about that.

16:00Mr. Lily Porchfield.

16:15>> Thank you.

16:16>> Hi there.

16:18>> Welcome.

16:19>> Thank you.

16:21I am here to support this project. Um,

16:24and I will defer to Dylan Connley for

16:26the rest.

16:44Bwork

16:46driver.

17:19Mr. Mark.

17:20>> Mark. Sorry, we can't pronounce your

17:22last name. I'm sorry.

17:22>> So sorry.

17:26>> Sorry about that. Just please state your

17:28name for the record.

17:29>> Hi, Mark.

17:30>> Hi, Mark Plimpmpton. Um, I'm here to

17:32support this project, but I'll defer to

17:34uh my attorney, Dylan Conley.

17:41>> Okay, that's the case. Can I call Dylan

17:44Collie?

17:54>> Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

17:55>> Welcome,

17:56>> Dylan Connley. On behalf of the

17:57applicant, I do have some materials I

18:00want to present. Um, May I approach the

18:02clerk?

18:30>> Mr. Mr. Chairman, this is um a project

18:32that the sort of legal proceedings about

18:35it are somewhat complex because of the

18:37the size of the road and the number of

18:39parcels involved, but conceptually it's

18:42actually pretty quite simple. There's a

18:44uh an a paper street, you know, an

18:47unimproved street behind our lot. Our

18:50lot is subject to our remedial action uh

18:53plan with DEM. So we have a lot of site

18:55cleanup that we need to do and so we

18:58would like to acquire the entirety of

19:00the paper street the entirety of it and

19:03basically roll that into our uh

19:05environmental cleanup efforts and roll

19:08it into the overall site development

19:10which we plan to do over the course of

19:12many years. There's also an abandoned

19:15cemetery. Uh and uh Bob Azar was aware

19:19of a law that allows for us to petition

19:22to maintain a public cemetery. And so

19:25we're petitioning to do that as well. Um

19:27so in the same way that we want to clean

19:29up the site in its entirety, want to

19:31clean and maintain the cemetery. We

19:32don't want to acquire the cemetery, but

19:35we do want the it's it's used as a dummy

19:37ground right now. And if you look at the

19:39back of our petition, you'll see a

19:41series of photos, uh, not in the

19:44document just handed out, but in our

19:45petition, there's a series of photos

19:47that show sort of the tires, the

19:51mattresses, um, and the junk associated

19:54with it. But in the materials that were

19:56just handed out,

19:59we are the owners of the yellow parcel.

20:05The green area is the

20:08right of way we're seeking to have

20:09abandoned and the blue area is the

20:13cemetery that we're looking to basically

20:16get the city's permission to clean and

20:18maintain.

20:20And so when you flip the page, you can

20:22see how it becomes one cohesive site if

20:26we are able uh to have the rightway

20:29abandoned and to acquire it.

20:32It's

20:34a relatively large area, but again,

20:36subject to the DEM uh remedial action

20:39plan and uh it's not really buildable

20:42with the exception of use on our

20:44property. So, we don't think we're

20:47really causing any any concerns or

20:49creating any problems. We're really just

20:50kind of cleaning up the area around our

20:52site as a portion of uh our efforts on

20:55our site. Uh I'm happy to answer

20:57questions. Uh I did receive uh the

21:00appraisal figure. Uh we would like the

21:03ability to respond to the appraisal

21:04figure. Uh, and we would like the

21:06ability to present to uh the city what

21:10our what we understand our costs to be

21:13to clean the site up and to maintain the

21:15cemetery so that we can use that uh

21:20potentially through the uh P

21:23uh to acquire for less than the cited

21:26figure uh because essentially all we're

21:28doing with the real estate is cleaning

21:29it. It's it's dirty. It's a dumping

21:31ground. So that's what we're looking to

21:33do.

21:37Uh, thank you, Dylan. Um, quick

21:40question. So, I'm not sure if I missed

21:41this. So, the your your applicant

21:44doesn't have any intention to to develop

21:46on it at any point or

21:49>> not within the green, which is the

21:51abandoned portion.

21:54Right now, our site access off of

21:57Planefield. The green area is behind a

22:00series of backyards, and we have a lot

22:02of drill sites in this that show that

22:04this is contaminated. So no development

22:07at all on the blue. That's the cemetery.

22:09We're just going to maintain that. And

22:11the green area we intend to use

22:12basically as buffer but not to build on

22:16it directly. So we don't anticipate any

22:19structure in this space. We anticipate

22:21site access and we anticipate um

22:25basically just maintaining and improving

22:27the area so that we're not new

22:29construction next to an illegal dumping

22:31ground. That's sort of what we're trying

22:33to avoid. But any any development

22:35proposal would be subject to planning

22:38and zoning review, zoning standards, the

22:40whole nine. I have nothing like in that

22:42regard today.

22:44>> Um, just to clarify, the the yellow

22:46section that is currently owned by the

22:49applicants.

22:50>> Yes, there's there's some section here

22:53that has some additional title

22:55challenges that have uh we're working

22:57with the city on. Uh the city was about

23:02this real estate, passed a resolution to

23:04acquire this real estate from Almax, but

23:07then never actually recorded the deed.

23:09Uh, so that's another item that we need

23:11to work with the P on. Uh, but this area

23:14in green is the public right away that

23:17we're looking at abandoning tonight. And

23:19this area in blue is the cemetery

23:21>> and everything south of the green, all

23:25that yellow that's currently owned by

23:27the your applicants, right?

23:29>> That's correct. Uh we have recently

23:31completed a a partial adaptive reuse

23:34project in the commercial building on

23:36the site. Uh we have frontage on both

23:39Planefield and Murray. I've been working

23:42with the planning department fairly

23:44regularly on this over the course of

23:46years and plan to continue to do so.

23:48Essentially phase development over time.

23:59No questions.

24:02Do we have a a right away for the

24:06family members of this little cemetery?

24:10Do you have any idea how many people has

24:12been buried there?

24:14>> We don't uh but we are happy to grant

24:16easement and access easement uh to the

24:18cemetery across uh our real estate both

24:21directly from uh Planefield

24:24and we would work on that with the

24:26planning department.

24:30I would like to have like a little ement

24:33like a right away for people to come and

24:35visit in the future because you and I

24:37won't be here but you you don't know if

24:40they got family that they want to come

24:42back and visit and drop some flowers.

24:45>> No, no issue with that at all. Again,

24:48improving that and maintaining that is

24:50one of our goals. It's just a dumping

24:51ground right now. So, very happy to

24:53grant access to the families of the

24:55deceased.

24:57Any

24:59other questions?

25:01>> Thank you very much.

25:02>> Thank you.

25:12>> Number five. We don't move members in

25:15this one. Can you read number five?

25:20>> Number five. Petition from Eric Bright,

25:22124 West Park Street, Province, Rhode

25:24Island 0298, requesting to abandon a

25:26portion of West Park Street.

25:28>> Now we have Mr. M.

25:38>> Thank Thank [clears throat] you, Mr.

25:39Chairman, and good evening, councelor

25:41Sanchez and Royus. Madam clerk, I'm here

25:44representing the petitioner Eric

25:46Brightite of 124 West Park Street,

25:48[snorts]

25:48uh who petitioned the city back in June

25:51regarding the

25:54uh

25:55135 West Park Street. Uh the petitioner

25:58owns the plat 67 and lots 161, 246,

26:04555, 163, and 245, which are all the

26:08related abuing parcels. Uh he is here

26:11tonight. he will testify after me and

26:13will speak to the difficulties that he

26:16and the neighbors have had with this

26:17particular uh road. Um I just did want

26:21to inform the committee that police,

26:23fire, DPW, parks and planning uh raised

26:28no objections to this petition. uh came

26:31before the city plan commission in

26:33August and they unanimously voted in

26:36support of the abandonment petition

26:38subject to an administrative subdivision

26:42and granting any necessary easements

26:44both uh both of which the petitioner is

26:46willing uh is willing to do. We also

26:50have a a letter of support from neighbor

26:52Neil Kaplan if I may submit it to the

26:55clerk.

27:06And with that, Mr. Chairman, I'm happy

27:07to answer any questions. And if not,

27:08I'll turn it over to the applicant, Mr.

27:10Akbrite.

27:13>> Thank you. Any question for

27:16the council?

27:17>> Thank you very much.

27:17>> Thank you.

27:18>> Thank you.

27:22Now, I want to enter this letter in

27:23support for number five. Thank you.

27:29>> Welcome, Mr. Eric.

27:31>> Good evening.

27:32>> Good evening, sir.

27:34>> May I approach the clerk with some

27:38visuals,

27:38>> please?

27:58Go ahead.

27:58>> Please state your name for the record.

28:00>> Uh Eric Bright.

28:06Um so I uh

28:09have property on both side of the road

28:11and my neighbor Ray Swin has the end of

28:13the road who's here tonight. The the

28:16main issue is uh the neglect. Um, the

28:19street light hasn't worked for 10 years.

28:21Um, the sidewalks don't exist. It's

28:25overgrown.

28:27Uh, there's a fence at the end which is

28:29about to fall down. Um,

28:32one of the measures we were going to do

28:34is put some jersey barriers at the end

28:37uh of the street, but that would make

28:39the street look rather blighted. So, if

28:42you take a look at what I um presented,

28:46that's the proposal to deal with the

28:48safety issue at the end of the street um

28:51and the street lamp that's there. Uh I

28:55would put that on my own electric bill.

28:58And we would keep the street open as you

29:00see so that in the winter time when they

29:04do snow, when they do plow the street,

29:06there'll be somewhere to put the snow at

29:07the end.

29:11And the idea is to beautify the street

29:15um and

29:18take care of the visual blight.

29:22>> Okay. Any question for Mr.

29:26>> Thank you very much, sir.

29:27>> You're welcome.

29:28>> Thank you.

29:40Okay. Can you please read number

29:44six?

29:47Petition from Sanderly,

29:5123 Western Street, Province, Rhode

29:52Island, 0296, requesting to abandon the

29:54northern terminus of Western Street.

29:57>> Thank you.

29:58>> You're welcome. Um, Sandra Lee,

30:04welcome.

30:06>> Thank you.

30:08>> Good evening and thank you all for being

30:10here. I appreciate your time tonight. My

30:13name is Sandra Lee and I live at 23

30:16Western Street in the Mount Hope section

30:20of the east side of Providence.

30:22I'm petitioning to have the northern

30:25terminus of Western Street abandoned.

30:29That small parcel which is 30 feet wide

30:34and 35 ft deep, literally dead ends in

30:38front of my front door. And for 25

30:41years, it's provided me a parking space

30:45um for my vehicle.

30:48What I want to do is purchase that and

30:51absorb it into my lot so that in the

30:54future I will have a legal parking space

30:57because right now um that that belongs

31:02to the city

31:04and um as I was told by

31:10one of the DPW guys that doesn't legally

31:14allow me to have a parking space And so

31:18I'm asking the city of Providence to

31:21allow me to um purchase that and absorb

31:25it into my lot for my home.

31:29Are there any questions?

31:34>> I only have one of butter.

31:36>> I was going to ask that.

31:38>> Okay.

31:40>> The

31:42I was looking at Google map. the

31:45neighbor who is at the end, do he use

31:49the backyard for something towards with

31:52the three ends

31:54>> at the end?

31:55>> So that's what I was just speaking to.

31:58The man

31:59is on Duncan Avenue and his backyard is

32:04the southern terminus

32:06of his yard which abuts the northern

32:09terminus of Wes Street. But for all the

32:12time we've been neighbors, there's

32:13always been fence there

32:16and he never comes over on that side,

32:20you know, and his backyard is is just a

32:24mode lawn with a bunch of nice hostas

32:28and he doesn't utilize

32:31the terminus of Western Street at all.

32:33He doesn't have access to it unless he

32:35walks all the way around the block

32:39and comes to my house.

32:41Does that answer your question?

32:45You do you own the one across the street

32:48from you?

32:48>> Yes. Yes, that was your question. I'm

32:50sorry. Yes, I own that. So, I'm a butter

32:54there.

32:58>> Have you talked to the neighbor? The one

33:02with the street ends?

33:05>> That's way on the other side of my lot.

33:09>> No, no. like 123

33:1323 Western Street, right?

33:16>> When the the tree ends a little while

33:18there, that's a neighbor that his

33:21backyard is into that tree.

33:23>> Yes. I sent him I wrote him a handmade

33:26note and I put it in his mailbox

33:29couple of months ago letting him know

33:32about all of this. And I haven't heard a

33:34peep from him. I see him in the backyard

33:36sometimes and we say hello.

33:39He he he

33:40doesn't have any use for that land, but

33:45um he has been informed

33:48of what I intend to do or what I'm

33:50trying to do, I should say. Does that

33:53answer your question?

33:55>> Yes. Any other question for

34:00>> I just want to thank your city clerk

34:03here, Sher Petronia. She's been so

34:05patient with me.

34:06>> You're welcome.

34:08Thank you very much for your testimony.

34:09>> Thank you.

34:10>> Thank you.

34:17>> Okay, seeing that this is the last one,

34:21we don't have no more names on it. I

34:24want to

34:26conclude the public hearing. I want to

34:28say thank you to everyone for coming

34:30today. Have a safe night and let's see

34:33you on the next sign. Thank you.