2026-08-24 - Board of County Commissioners Briefing

12:31Good afternoon. Welcome everyone to our

12:34Thursday, August 24th, 2026 briefing.

12:40Um, I will will remind you all that

12:43Thursday during our formal uh uh

12:46hearing, it will begin at 6:00 p.m. Uh,

12:50also want you all to know that

12:52Commissioner McDaniel is joining us

12:54online. Um, there's no discussion items

12:58today, so I will turn this over to our

13:01manager.

13:03>> Thank you, Madam Chair, and good

13:04afternoon, commissioner, staff, and

13:06guest. Agenda item number one is a

13:08public hearing to consider for Scythe

13:10County participation in the commercial

13:11property assessed capital expenditure

13:13program or CPACE, and a resolution

13:15authorizing the county to participate in

13:17the CPACE program. Helena Fiori from our

13:20community economic development

13:21department will brief this item.

13:27Good afternoon, commissioners. Um, I'd

13:30like to remind you that on July 30th

13:33this past summer, we had a resolution of

13:36intent, which we approved our intent to

13:39join the CPACE program.

13:42This second public hearing and formal

13:45vote will authorize foresight county

13:48participation in the uh CPACE program.

13:52CPAC stands for commercial property

13:55assess capital expenditure and it is a

13:58finance tool that allows private

14:00property owners to make eligible

14:03upgrades to their property by securing a

14:06lean on their property.

14:10The local government's involvement is in

14:12this is to simply record that lean with

14:14our register of deeds office. So by

14:17approving this we give a tool in the

14:20community for another type of financing

14:22but it's a relatively low lift for local

14:24government.

14:26>> Are there questions?

14:30>> What is the minimum

14:32what is it called ad what is the minimum

14:35administrative cost associated with

14:38that?

14:40>> Good question. Let me make sure I get

14:42that correctly. or how much is the

14:45minimum administrative cost?

14:47>> We get a $750

14:50application fee for every CPACE lean

14:54recorded.

14:57This program is administered by the

15:00state, the Economic Development

15:01Partnership of North Carolina, and they

15:03receive a percentage on the total

15:06project.

15:08So, they get their own administrative

15:09fee, but at the local level, we get

15:12$750.

15:13Okay.

15:14>> Mr. Vice Chair, basically what it would

15:16involve is um Helena's staff would

15:19review certain documents and my office

15:21may have to take a quick look at them,

15:23but certain legal documents, but the

15:25heavy lifting, as she indicated, is done

15:27at the state level.

15:30>> Thank you.

15:32>> Father questions or discussion?

15:36Thank you.

15:37>> Thank you.

15:38>> Agenda item number two is a public

15:39hearing and consideration on a special

15:41use permit requested by Robert David

15:44Mikum for property located on the west

15:45side of Salem Chapel Road, south of West

15:48Road. This is case F1671.

15:51This is the Quasi judicial um hearing

15:53and um that you all will have to contend

15:56with on Thursday. I'll just ask our

15:58attorney Watkins just to give you a

15:59brief update on the process.

16:03So um as as you are aware since we did

16:06this last month um this is a quasi

16:08judicial matter um basically what will

16:11happen is that um a member of planning

16:15staff will appear and we'll summarize um

16:17what has happened to date and then

16:19there'll be an opportunity for the

16:21petitioner to state the case and um

16:24prove the four findings of fact. If such

16:27evidence is is produced then it um the

16:30burden shifts to the opponents if there

16:33are any um to come up and they will be

16:35allowed to um also testify and because

16:39it is a quasi judicial matter both sides

16:42will have the opportunity to

16:43cross-examine each witness and um at the

16:46end the um board you all will act as the

16:50judge in the case and you'll decide

16:52whether the findings have been met and

16:55if so you would um grant the special use

16:58permit. If you don't believe they've

16:59been met, you would deny it.

17:03>> Questions?

17:06>> Thank you.

17:07>> Thank you.

17:08>> Agenda item number three is a resolution

17:10confirming the Force County Board of

17:11Commissioners received and reviewed the

17:13Winston Salem Forces County Schools long

17:15range plan for school facility needs. Um

17:17we do have um Daryl Walker from the

17:20school system. If there are any

17:21questions from the board, you should

17:23have it in your packet.

17:25questions.

17:29>> Commissioner Parker,

17:30>> I've got a few.

17:45>> Thank you, Mr. Walker.

17:46>> Be easy on me. The new guy. That'll be

17:48easy. [laughter]

17:50>> Well, the new guy has questions that

17:52others may have already had answered.

17:54So, um, my apologies in advance. So,

17:58this, uh, rather long report that I was

18:01looking over, a few hundred pages, how

18:04often is that produced?

18:06>> Every five years. It's a requirement

18:08from the North Carolina Department of

18:09Public Instruction

18:10>> and what do they use that information

18:12for? So historically

18:15it was kind of thought that it would be

18:17utilized for a potential state bond but

18:20within the last um since the last cycle

18:235 years they typically are using lottery

18:26funds to place into

18:29uh some some facility accounts in

18:32Raleigh like we've talked about the uh

18:34repair and restoration fund here a

18:36couple times. Uh there's also a

18:38need-based fund and so when they have

18:41additional uh revenue from the lottery,

18:43they're putting some money into accounts

18:45for schools to use for capital type

18:47repairs.

18:49Okay. Well, it looked like if we got a

18:51total on all these improvements.

18:55I don't even know how much it would

18:56cost. There was there was a lot of money

18:58uh involved and there was a scale in

19:01there from poor to fair to good to

19:03excellent. Uh, and I was a little

19:05unclear on what does what does that mean

19:09and has that changed?

19:11I mean, how much has that report changed

19:13over the past five years? It has changed

19:16some because we've done some work and

19:18currently they're in this 2016 bond. So,

19:21some of that kind of been upgraded since

19:23then. Um it matches up really well with

19:26the six-year plan that we've been

19:28working with Miss Busion um here um as

19:33it relates to the the the request and

19:35funding as for capital expenditures

19:38going forward. Um and so um so there is

19:42some change but not not not a lot.

19:45There's been some replacements in there,

19:47school replacements and some repairs.

19:49So, uh, it's been, um, I'd say probably

19:52a 25% impact.

19:54>> And that, are you going to use this

19:57report to help derive potentially

20:01anything that you want the county to

20:03help with from a facility standpoint?

20:05>> Well, I think we've been we've been

20:06working with the county to kind of

20:08prepare what that next cycle of capital

20:10expenditures look like or potential bond

20:13down the road looks like. And obviously

20:16these type projects that are in because

20:18this impacts this report covers every

20:20school facility in the county uh not

20:23just the ones that um we pic we we kind

20:28of took out to to talk about our capital

20:30plan. Um but yes that that information

20:34would be utilized uh as we move forward

20:36>> from that because I couldn't tell any

20:38priorities with it. It's just every

20:41school out there and every building at

20:42the school correct is graded. There's no

20:44priority in that list right now

20:46>> from that and there was a lot of numbers

20:49big numbers for improvement. Was that

20:52internally

20:54uh come up with or did we was there a

20:56consulting group that did that analysis?

20:58>> Yeah, we had we had some some of those

21:00are most of those are internal. Some of

21:02those are um engineering external type

21:06um questions around especially around

21:08roofing and mechanical items. They were

21:10they were uh from the contract world.

21:14from that. Okay. Um I'm probably going

21:17to have some additional questions if we

21:19get into um

21:23if we get into this anymore. I know that

21:25this is just a kind of for us to review

21:27and pass along to the state and then you

21:30kind of gave an explanation of what the

21:31state may or may not do with that

21:33information. Um but maybe you and I can

21:36get together. I did find a few

21:37misspellings

21:38um before it gets sent sent along to the

21:41state.

21:41>> Okay. Absolutely. Thank you.

21:43>> I'll review that tonight. I'll take a

21:44look at it.

21:45>> Okay.

21:47>> Commissioner Bessie,

21:48>> just briefly, um I want to confirm my

21:50understanding. Uh the requirement is

21:52that we

21:54confirm that we've received and reviewed

21:57the plan, not that we endorse the plan.

22:00>> Correct. Thank you.

22:03>> Father questions.

22:05>> Thank you, Darl.

22:06>> Thank you.

22:07Agenda item number four is a resolution

22:09authorizing the removal of certain fees

22:11from the fee schedule for the foresight

22:12county department of public health.

22:14Joshua Swift, our public health

22:15director, will brief this item.

22:17>> All right. Good afternoon,

22:18commissioners. Uh what I'm bringing to

22:20you is uh from our health and human

22:22services board. Uh recommendation to

22:25remove three codes from our uh fee

22:29schedule that were inadvertently added

22:31when we were going through the review

22:33process. This is A4267

22:36contraceptives for males, A4268

22:40contraceptives for females and S9442

22:44birthing classes, child birth education

22:46that are offered by a non-f physician.

22:48And just these fees, like I said, were

22:50inadvertently added. Wanted to remove

22:53those to so we don't create any barriers

22:56to service. Any questions?

23:00>> Questions. So what we're saying is

23:02there's going to be no charge.

23:04>> Yes, these were these were added

23:06accidentally. Weren't caught when we

23:08caught those. We took it to the HHS

23:10board to have them removed and

23:12officially since it is a fee need to

23:14come to the commissioners to have that

23:16removed.

23:20>> Other questions?

23:22>> Thank you.

23:23>> Thank you. Agenda item number five is

23:25approval of minutes for the special

23:26meeting of August 10th and the regular

23:28meeting of August 13th and those will be

23:30emailed to you before Thursday. Agenda

23:33item number six is an amendment to the

23:34fiscical year 27 budget ordinance to

23:36appropriate adoption promotion program

23:38incentive funds to the foray county

23:40department of social services. Aisha

23:42Carter, our budget analyst, will brief

23:44this item.

23:49Good afternoon county commissioners. Um,

23:51forcipythe county has received adoption

23:54promotion incentive funding in the

23:55amount of $100,939

23:57from the North Carolina Department of

23:59Health and Human Services, Division of

24:00Social Services. The purpose of the

24:02funding is to enhance and expand

24:04adoption programs and is based on the

24:06number of finalized adoptions for the

24:08fiscal year. Funds are restricted to be

24:10used solely to promote adoptions and um

24:15used to enhance or expand recruitment of

24:17adoptive families, pre-adoption

24:18training, post placement support andor

24:21facilitation of legal procedures,

24:26questions.

24:28>> Thank you. Agenda item number seven is

24:31an amendment to the fiscal year 27

24:32budget ordinance to transfer funds from

24:34contingency to forite techch community

24:36college. Kyle Wolf, our budget director,

24:38will brief this item. [clears throat]

24:40>> Commissioners,

24:42um, so this item is necessary to

24:43transfer $40,000 from contingency to

24:46Forite Tech to offset a larger

24:48compensation increase that was included

24:50in the state's adopted budget. Uh, in

24:52our uh, county FY27 budget, we included

24:55$268,722

24:59uh, that we held at a budget reserve for

25:00possible salary and benefit increases at

25:02the state level. Uh the general assembly

25:05approved a higher salary increase

25:06percentage uh especially for qualified

25:08sworn law enforcement officers which

25:10pushed the amount needed to cover uh the

25:13total increase above what we had

25:14budgeted in the budget reserve. And so

25:16this will just transfer 40,000 from

25:18contingency to allow them to fund those

25:21>> questions.

25:23>> Um

25:25is there a matching requirement from the

25:26state or is this a discretionary move um

25:29on our part to simply

25:32>> It is there's no matching. Yeah, there's

25:34no matching require. I mean that the

25:35state has said that they are going that

25:37um that they are uh there was an

25:40increase for state positions. Um we have

25:43several positions that are county

25:45funded. I think we have about uh 40 or

25:4850 county funed positions and I think 15

25:50or or so are law enforcement positions.

25:53And so um we are doing this to help the

25:56college be able to pass those benefits

25:58on to the county funded positions. If I

26:01may ask, um uh are we okay appropriating

26:06$40,000 from our contingency?

26:09>> Yes, it's it's less than what they

26:11requested. We basically are splitting

26:12the difference, but we have historically

26:14covered their locally funded positions

26:17and so um yes.

26:20>> Okay. Thank you.

26:24>> Father questions. Thank you.

26:27>> Agenda item number eight is Kyle's as

26:28well. It's an amendment to the fiscal

26:30year 27 budget ordinance to correct the

26:32fire tax district special revenue fund

26:34and appropriate additional revenues and

26:36expenditures.

26:37>> Um so we're really doing three things

26:39with this uh with this item u to make uh

26:43some again three different corrections.

26:45The first is really kind of a mechanical

26:47correction and that while we budgeted a

26:49transfer to the countywide overlay

26:51district out of the individual fireex

26:52districts, we didn't appropriate the

26:55revenue and the expenditure in the

26:56overlay district itself. And so the for

26:59the the bulk of this item is actually

27:01really just appropriating that transfer

27:03into the overlay and the expenditure

27:06out. Uh the second part is reducing the

27:09amount of revenue and expenditures for

27:11rural hall based on the state

27:13legislation that removed the corporate

27:15limits of rural hall from the overlay

27:16district. That happened after our budget

27:18adoption. And then uh the last

27:20correction

27:22uh is basically the that the town of

27:24Walkertown paid the county $126,000

27:28last year uh to go to the Walkertown

27:30Volunteer Fire Department. Um and those

27:33funds were not appropriated or and sent

27:35to them. And so this is appropriating

27:37that money and transferring that over to

27:39Walkertown as well.

27:43>> Questions?

27:46>> Thank you. Agenda item number nine is an

27:49amendment to the county capital projects

27:51ordinance for a technical revision to

27:52the fiscical year 27 adopted budget

27:54ordinance. Kimberly Busussy, our deputy

27:56budget director, will brief this item.

27:59>> Good afternoon, commissioners.

28:01Um section nine of our FI27 adopted

28:04budget ordinance that is included with

28:06this item um is for county facilities

28:08capital projects funds. And you'll

28:09notice in section 9 that it lists both

28:11revenue and expenditures. And one of the

28:13revenue line items is for $2.5 million

28:15for transfers from the general fund cash

28:17project savings and interest earnings.

28:20Um while um this item um or rather the

28:24um the budget ordinance um indicated

28:28that that would be a transfer from the

28:30general fund. Uh finance had already

28:32appropriated half of this dollars back

28:33in March and then they appropriated the

28:35other half of these dollars in June. And

28:37so having that as a transfer from the

28:39general fund in the budget ordinance was

28:41a duplication. This item corrects it and

28:43says that we still intend to use those

28:44funds, but we're going to use those uh

28:46those dollars that are already in budget

28:48reserve. So, hope that answers any

28:50questions. I'm happy to take any

28:51question.

28:54>> Thank you.

28:54>> Thank you.

28:55>> Agenda item number 10 is an amendment to

28:57the community develop grants projects

28:59ordinance. Casey Re from our budget

29:02department will brief this item.

29:04>> Afternoon, commissioners, chair. Uh

29:06today I have for you an amendment to the

29:08community development grants project

29:09ordinance. On December 18th, 2025, the

29:12for South County Board of Commissioners

29:14approved a resolution to apply for and

29:15accept, if awarded, a grant in the

29:17amount of 165,000 from the North

29:20Carolina Housing Finance Finance Agency

29:23to support the 2027 NC HFA urgent repair

29:26program. Forite County has been awarded

29:29said grant for which funds shall be

29:30received on a reimbursement basis and

29:32this item appropriates those funds. can

29:35take any questions.

29:37>> Questions?

29:40>> Thank you.

29:41>> Agenda item number 11 is a resolution

29:43awarding and authorizing the execution

29:45of a purchase order with Craig's

29:47Firearms Supply, Inc. for the purchase

29:49of 309 new duty weapons and a purchase

29:51order to Dana Safety Supply, Inc. for

29:53the purchase of 309 weapon lights for

29:56the Foresight County Sheriff's Office.

29:58Steven YZ, the Sheriff's Office business

30:00officer, will brief this item.

30:01>> Good afternoon, chair, vice chair,

30:03members of the board. As part of this

30:05year's uh capital improvement plan

30:07budget, the sheriff's office request and

30:09received $323,499

30:12to upgrade it existing duty weapons due

30:15to the current inventory is aging and

30:17requires increased maintenance. The

30:19sheriff's office needs to upgra upgrade

30:21309 duty pistols with Glock 17

30:24generation 6 DC8 aim point coil pistols

30:27and equip each with a streamlight weapon

30:29light. On August 18th, the city county

30:32purchasing conducted an invitation to

30:34bid and five vendors submitted bids for

30:36the pistols, weapon lights, or both.

30:38Those vendors included Dana Safety

30:40Supply, Atlantic Tactical, Blankney

30:43Global Solutions, Craig's Firearms

30:45Supply, and Armchair Wholesale. For the

30:48pistols, Craig's Firearms Supply and

30:50Amchar Wholesale submitted identical low

30:53bids for $87 per pistol for a total of

30:56$249,363.

30:59We are recommending Craig's firearms

31:01supply based on our prior experience and

31:03established working relationship with

31:04the vendor. For the weapon lights, Dana

31:07Safety Supply submitted the lowest

31:08responsive bid at $145.25

31:12for each unit for a total of $45,191.25.

31:17This will be a combined purchase award

31:19of $294,554.25.

31:25>> Are there questions?

31:27Why do you um

31:30why do you prefer the Glock 17? Is it

31:34because it what carries more around than

31:36a 19 or is bigger? I will admit I'm the

31:40only one here today, so I don't have

31:41that specific answer, but I can follow

31:43up, but I'm sure it's got something to

31:44do with um sheriff standards uh through

31:47the North Carolina Sheriff's

31:48Association,

31:50>> but I can verify that.

31:51>> Yeah, if you would check on that. I just

31:53curious. The price looks pretty good for

31:55the 17.

31:57>> Yes, sir.

32:00>> Thank you.

32:02>> Agenda item number 12 is Stevens as

32:03well. It's a resolution authorizing

32:05execution of an amendment to the

32:07agreement with the FMRT Group LLC to

32:09include A1C testing requirements. So,

32:12the sheriff's office has an existing

32:14agreement with the FMRT group for

32:16medical screening and testing of law

32:18enforcement candidates. Due to a

32:20required updated or state required

32:21updated medical screening guidelines,

32:23A1C testing is now required for

32:25candidates with a BMI of 30 or greater.

32:28This amendment adds the required A1C

32:30test at $30 per test. All other terms of

32:33the existing agreement remain unchanged,

32:35including the current annual not to

32:37exceed amount.

32:40>> Are there questions?

32:41Why is the um HDA1C test being required

32:45for an officer candidate?

32:48>> I'm sure it's got something to do with

32:49again the professional standards through

32:51the sheriff's association, but I can

32:53verify that as well. We received

32:54notification from FMRT and we we asked

32:57the same thing and all they could

32:59provide was it was state required. Now,

33:02>> well, is it screening test for diabetes

33:04if you know?

33:05>> I believe so. Yes, sir.

33:06>> Okay. So, how about the standard of a

33:10BMI over 30? That's pretty um loose. Uh

33:14I think you have a number of officers

33:16who would have a BMI over that uh uh

33:21just because of their size and in shape

33:25condition. I mean, are these um are

33:29these restrictions, the A1C and the BMI

33:33over 30, are those uh entry level

33:36requirements? Yes, sir. And I don't

33:38believe they're disqualifying events. I

33:40think it's more of just to have a and

33:43it's an assumption, but just a better

33:44idea of the overall health profile of

33:46law enforcement agencies.

33:48>> Okay? Because I don't think they can be

33:49disqualifying conditions for something

33:51like that where you you can receive

33:53treatment, you get an intertheal pump. I

33:55mean, you can have a an officer who can

33:58function as well as anyone else. Uh I

34:01just didn't want to wander into any ADA

34:03territory here.

34:05>> I understand. and we can follow up to

34:07see if we can get some more information

34:08and provide that to you.

34:09>> I would appreciate that. Thank you.

34:10>> Yes, sir.

34:12>> Other questions?

34:14Thank you. Okay.

34:15>> Agenda item number 13 is Stevens as

34:17well. It's a resolution ratifying and

34:18authorizing execution of an interlocal

34:20agreement between Forcy County and the

34:22city of Winston Salem regarding the

34:24shared use of the North Carolina

34:25Governor's Highway Safety Program

34:27Traffic Safety Project Grant Award for

34:29the continuation of the Forsythe County

34:30DWI joint task force. The city of

34:33Winston Salem received notification from

34:35the North Carolina Governor's Highway

34:37Safety Program that the grant

34:38application of funding was approved to

34:40support the 17th year of the DWI joint

34:43task force. The task force includes two

34:45Winston Salem officers, one forces

34:47county deputy and one Kernersville

34:49officer focused exclusively on impaired

34:52driving driving enforcement. This

34:54interlocal agreement continues that

34:56partnership and permits grant

34:57reimbursement for the task force.

34:59Foresight County's total share of

35:01possible reimbursements from the grant

35:03is $25,922

35:05or roughly 25% of the estimated cost.

35:08The grant per period is from October

35:101st, 2026 through September 30 of 2027.

35:15>> Questions?

35:18>> Thank you. Agenda item number 14 is

35:22Steven's last item. It's a resolution

35:24ratifying and authorizing execution of

35:26an interlocal agreement between forth

35:28county and the city of Winston Salem

35:29regarding the shared use of fiscal year

35:3225 Edward Burn Memorial justice

35:35assistance grant funds and an associated

35:37amendment um to the award. So back in

35:40April, the board approved a resolution

35:42to apply and accept the 25 JAG local

35:45formula grant from the US Department of

35:47Justice on behalf of Foresight County in

35:49the city of Winston Salem. The grant

35:51allocated $249,47

35:54to the sheriff's office and the Winston

35:56Salem Police Department, which is split

35:58equally with $124,523.50

36:02allocated to each agency. An interlocal

36:05agreement is required to establish the

36:07terms for sharing of the grant funds and

36:08ensure all reporting and administration

36:10requirements are met.

36:14>> Questions?

36:17>> Thank you.

36:18>> Agenda item number 15 is a resolution

36:20authorizing execution of an agreement

36:22with Lab Corps of America Holdings to

36:24provide offsite testing for the

36:26Department of Public Health. Nicole

36:27Pretty, our assistant public health

36:28director, will brief this item.

36:30>> Good afternoon, commissioners. Uh the

36:32Department of Public Health is

36:33requesting to enter into contract with

36:35LabCore to provide specimen testing for

36:37the Department of Public Health that are

36:38not able to be performed in our in-house

36:40laboratory. We did receive informal bids

36:43from both LabCore and Quest Diagnostics

36:44and LabCore was the cheaper of the two

36:47and this contract is not to exceed

36:49$71,000.

36:50Happy to answer any questions.

36:52>> Questions?

36:54>> Okay. And does this include like testing

36:56for tuberculosis, STI?

36:59um

36:59>> elicit drugs,

37:01>> not drugs. Um papsmears, uh creatinin,

37:05white cell counts, hepatitis, and

37:08quantiferon, which is TB

37:10>> for TB.

37:11>> Okay. And and which of the hepatitis

37:15strains you have a the infectious?

37:18>> I believe so. I I can double check on

37:20that.

37:21>> Okay. Thank you.

37:23>> Father questions.

37:25Thank you.

37:26>> Thank you. Agenda item number 16 is a

37:28resolution authorizing the purchase of

37:29contraceptive devices and

37:31pharmaceuticals with title X family

37:34planning services funding under Medicaid

37:36340B pricing. Um Kelly Florenoi, our

37:39nursing program manager, will brief this

37:41item. Good afternoon, commissioners.

37:43This resolution is for a purchase order

37:46that will allow the Foresight County

37:47Department of Public Health to order

37:49contraceptive pharmaceuticals and

37:51devices under Medicaid 340B prescription

37:54drug pricing utilizing funds from the

37:57state of North Carolina and the federal

37:59government for fiscal year 26. The

38:01amount of this purchase order shall not

38:03exceed $125,000.

38:06>> Questions?

38:10>> Thank you.

38:10>> Thank you. Agenda item number 17 is a

38:12resolution authorizing execution of a

38:14software service and subscription

38:16agreement between Versythe County and

38:17Kerasoft Technology Corporation to

38:19provide Prisma security access. Michaela

38:21Westbrook, our MIS business manager,

38:23will brief this item. Good afternoon.

38:26Prisma access is a cloud-based service

38:28platform that delivers comprehensive

38:31security and connectivity for all users

38:34that are mobile at branch offices or

38:36working from home without the need for

38:38on premise hardware. This item awards a

38:41three-year contract to Kerosoft

38:42Technology to provide the service at a

38:45total cost not to exceed 188,368.74

38:53questions.

38:56>> Thank you.

38:56>> All right. Thank you. Agenda item number

38:5818 is a resolution ratifying and

39:00authorizing execution of an interlocal

39:02agreement between forcy county and the

39:03city of Winston Salem for technical

39:05assistance and services to support

39:07transportation planning for the Winston

39:08Salem urbanized area. Minor Barnett, our

39:11environmental assistance protection

39:12director, will brief this item.

39:14>> Good afternoon. This is an interlocal

39:16agreement between Forcy County and the

39:18city of Winston Salem um that's required

39:21by the Federal Highway Administration.

39:24Any um transportation projects that are

39:26funded with federal funding are required

39:28to be assessed for consideration of

39:32transportation conformity to ensure that

39:35the transportation projects are

39:37beneficial to air quality or at the very

39:40least do not impede the state's ability

39:42to maintain attainment with the national

39:44ambient air quality standards. and some

39:47of my staff um engage with the technical

39:50coordinating committee and the

39:52transportation advisory committee to

39:54provide information um to help inform

39:56some of their planning decisions. We've

39:58been a partner in this planning activity

40:01for many years and the Federal Highway

40:04Administration has recently required

40:05them to update all of their inter

40:07interlocal agreements with all the

40:09participants.

40:10We do invoice the city for reimbursement

40:13um of staff time that's spent doing this

40:15work. So it generates a little bit of

40:17revenue on the order of around an

40:19average of $5,000 a year.

40:22>> Questions?

40:26>> Thank you, ma.

40:26>> Thank you.

40:27>> Agenda item number 19 is a resolution

40:29authorizing execution of an agreement

40:31with OLC, Inc. Yolanda Balden. Balden,

40:35our library director, will brief this

40:36item.

40:39Good afternoon, commissioners. Um,

40:41Scythe County Public Library is seeking

40:43a contract with online computer library

40:47center incorporated to provide

40:49cataloging and metadata subscriptions,

40:51worldshare interl loan services, and

40:54webdy annual subscription for all

40:56forythe county library branches at an

40:58annual cost not to exceed $176,420.85

41:03of planned expenditure covered by

41:05allocated funds in the library's fiscal

41:07year budget.

41:10Are there questions?

41:13>> Were there other vendors? I didn't see

41:15any.

41:16>> There are other vendors that are out

41:18there. There is Sky River, which is

41:21actually one of their, I guess,

41:23competitors. The only difference is that

41:25OLC carries 400 million records for us

41:28to access. Sky River only carries 6

41:30million. And so we are able to duplicate

41:33those from the larger vendor that vendor

41:35better.

41:37>> And I guess my question is um we didn't

41:40have to bid it out. You just went to

41:42Okay.

41:43>> No, no, no.

41:45>> Other questions? Thank you.

41:47>> Thank you.

41:48>> Agenda item number 20 is a resolution

41:50authorizing execution of an agreement

41:52with McNotton, a division of Broadart

41:54Company, to provide the public library

41:56with leased books. Laura Luck, our

41:58library supervisor, will brief this

41:59item.

42:01Good afternoon, commissioners. This

42:03agreement between Foresight County and

42:05McNotton, a division of Broadark

42:07Company, to provide the library system

42:09with access to and use of lease books.

42:12These books will supply popular titles

42:14for the library collection at all 10

42:17locations, the bookmobiles, and outreach

42:19services, assist with filling patron

42:22requests, and provide permanent

42:25collection development of fiction and

42:27non-fiction titles.

42:30questions.

42:33>> Thank you.

42:34>> Thank you. Agenda item number 21 is a

42:36resolution acknowledging notice from

42:37Walkertown Fire Department Incorporated

42:39of its intent to purchase capital

42:41property valued at over $10,000 and

42:43approving this purchase pursuant to

42:45section 14 of the July 1st, 2026

42:47agreement between Forsight County and

42:49the Walkertown Fire Department. Brock

42:51Smith, our fire marshall, will brief

42:53this item.

42:53>> Good afternoon, commissioners. As

42:55pursuant to section 14 of the contract

42:57between Walkertown and this board,

42:59Walkertown is seeking permission to buy

43:01a new brush truck. Uh their current

43:03brush truck is a 1990 model that is the

43:06pump is no longer working. So it's out

43:08of service. Uh Walkertown plans on using

43:11their fund balance to purchase this

43:12truck. And the apparatus is currently

43:15scheduled for replacement as part of the

43:16CIP which is approved by the fire

43:18commission. I'll be happy to answer any

43:21questions you have and Chief Bottoms of

43:22Walkertown is here as well to answer any

43:24specifics on the truck.

43:26>> Questions?

43:27>> So, the truck is 275,000.

43:30Is that

43:31>> for a new one? Not to exceed Yes.

43:32>> Okay. And like other vehicles like this,

43:36how long does it take you to get one?

43:42>> I'm not sure on the specifics of brush

43:44trucks right now, but fire apparatus is

43:46about three years. Yeah,

43:48>> they're giving to us the possible

43:49turnaround time of maybe up to eight

43:51months.

43:52>> Wow. Okay. Thank you.

43:57>> Father questions.

44:00>> Thank you.

44:00>> Thank you.

44:01>> Agenda item number 22 is a resolution

44:03authorizing execution of an agreement

44:05with Hartford Technology Rental Company

44:07LLC to provide laptop computers with e

44:10polebook systems for the foresight

44:12county board of elections. Michelle

44:14Babadia, our deputy elections director,

44:16will brief this item.

44:18>> Good afternoon, uh, commissioners. This

44:20is an agreement with Harford Technology

44:22Rental for the laptops and printers used

44:24to support the eole book operational

44:26system for early voting and election day

44:29polling places. As you may know, the

44:31eole books allow election officials to

44:33verify voter registrations to checking

44:35voters, check their uh, their ballot

44:38style and process same day registrations

44:40are required by law. Our election day

44:43equipment will be to to use as a search

44:45tool to assist voters in different ways

44:47and process provisional ballots. Staff

44:50conducted an informal procurement

44:51process and received two bids. Harford

44:55Technology Rental at 52,281

44:59and Electro Rent Corporation doing

45:01business as Rush Computer Rentals at

45:0452,483.

45:06Harford uh submitted the lowest bid with

45:09just the difference of $22 and can

45:12provide the laptops and printers

45:13necessary to support our books

45:15operations. So this agreement will go

45:18through June 30th of 2027 in amount not

45:21to exceed the 52,281

45:24and at this time I ask you to consider

45:27this agreement.

45:29>> Questions

45:31would be

45:32>> Thank you. I do have questions in um in

45:35regards to the locations of um these

45:38companies. So is what what is the

45:41operating location of Hartford versus um

45:44Electro Rental doing business as Rush?

45:47>> Um they have different soft different

45:50offices offices but Harford is in

45:52Chicago um and Rush has different

45:55locations as well. I don't remember

45:57those by the top of my head right now

45:58but I'll be glad to double check. It

46:00would be helpful um before Monday if I

46:03sort of know because in my opinion um

46:07Illinois versus North Carolina, I think

46:10we should be very conscientious,

46:11especially if they're only $200 apart

46:14when we have, you know, possibly local

46:17or even inside of North Carolina

46:19businesses that um we could do business

46:22with, but I I would be interested to

46:24know where they're located.

46:26>> Absolutely. Yes, ma'am. Further

46:29questions?

46:31Thank you.

46:32>> Agenda item number 23 is Michelle's as

46:34well. It's a resolution authorizing

46:36execution of an agreement with Salem 1,

46:38Inc. to provide poll book printing and

46:40packaging services.

46:42>> So, this is an agreement with Salem 1

46:43for pullbook printing and packaging

46:45services. As you may know, poll books

46:47are used on election day to help

46:48election officials verify voter

46:50registration at the voters's assigned

46:52polling place. These are specialized

46:54election materials requiring specific

46:56paper stock, high volume digital

46:58processing, binding, packaging and in a

47:01very um in a very short turnaround. Once

47:04the federal voting voter information is

47:06available, the completed poll books must

47:08be produced and delivered within 12

47:10hours. So the board of election staff

47:12conducted an informal procurement

47:13process and Salem one was the only bid

47:16that was submitted. They're a local

47:18vendor. they have a production

47:20capability uh necessary to meet the

47:22election specific requirements and have

47:24it successfully delivered to the board

47:26of elections as we have worked with them

47:27for 10 years. So this agreement will go

47:30through June 30th, 2027 in the amount

47:33not to exceed $62,74366.

47:37>> Questions?

47:39>> Um for the record, could you let us know

47:41where um this company is located?

47:43>> Kernerville.

47:44>> Okay. Thank you.

47:46>> Thank you.

47:49Agenda item number 24 is a resolution

47:51awarding a contract for the replacement

47:53of a chiller, cooling tower, and boiler

47:55serving the Department of Social

47:56Services and Public Health Facilities.

47:58James Anderson, our design and

47:59construction manager, will brief this

48:01item.

48:02>> Good afternoon, Madam Chair and

48:03Commissioners. This item awards a

48:04contract to Sylvester and Cochram for

48:06the replacement of a chiller, cooling

48:08tower, and boiler serving the public

48:10health and DSS facilities. Uh the

48:12equipment has exceeded its useful life

48:14and requires replacement. The project

48:16was formally bid by City County

48:17Purchasing on June 8th, 2026 with four

48:21bids received on July 8th, 2026. Uh

48:24Sylvester and Cochram submitted a bid of

48:27$923,889.

48:30Superior Mechanical Services submitted a

48:32bid of $940,000.

48:34Professional Air Systems submitted a bid

48:36of $1,61,500.

48:40and commercial air systems submitted a

48:42bid of $1,181,500.

48:46Uh $900,000 had been allocated for the

48:48project. Since the base bid from

48:50Sylvester and Cocker exceeded our

48:52budget, we did negotiate with them and

48:54they agreed to knocking $30,000 off

48:57their price, making the contract amount

48:59$893,889.

49:02And then the resolution also authorizes

49:04the county manager to execute change

49:06orders not to exceed $40,000. Be glad to

49:08answer any questions. Great work,

49:10gentlemen. Questions.

49:12>> What is the age of this boiler and

49:14associated equipment?

49:16>> The boilers are about 22 years old. Um,

49:19I think the carrier chiller is about

49:20that same age as well. Mike,

49:22>> is that correct?

49:23>> Yep.

49:24>> Okay. And what is the useful life?

49:27>> It depends on the type of boiler, but

49:29for the ones we have there, about 15 to

49:3120 years.

49:32>> Okay.

49:33>> How long is it going to take to order

49:34the equipment?

49:36>> The lead times vary. The boilers are

49:38going to be the quickest. They're

49:39running about u 6 to 8 weeks. The

49:42chiller is about 3 to 6 months depending

49:45on how many other orders get placed when

49:47we put ours in.

49:48>> And what are the repercussions if they

49:50were to fail?

49:52>> The chiller unfortunately there we have

49:53another chiller that provides chilled

49:55water to the facilities. So we have some

49:57redundancy there. On the boilers they

50:00are in pretty bad shape. Um we have

50:04again fortunately there there's multiple

50:05boilers. So, it would take a failure of

50:08a couple of those to completely knock us

50:10out, but worst case scenario, we

50:12wouldn't have water to heat or cool the

50:15building.

50:17>> Okay. Well, I'm glad you did a little

50:18negotiating, too.

50:22>> Worst case scenario would be in injury

50:24to someone associated with its

50:27maintenance and operation. Correct.

50:30>> Possibly.

50:30>> Okay. So, a little issue about deferred

50:33maintenance here. It sounds like

50:35>> it it certainly is.

50:37>> Okay. Thank you. Thanks, James. Um, I

50:40just want to um highlight that the um

50:45$40,000

50:46um I guess up to for a change ordering

50:49just in case they cannot

50:52um beat their renegotiated price of

50:55$8.93 would still make them less than

50:59the

51:00second um

51:03um bidder that we would choose. So I I

51:06do like that. But, you know, the $40,000

51:11um change order just tells me they

51:13probably going to come back for $40,000.

51:16But let's just hope not.

51:17>> Hopefully not. So, in a project like

51:20this, we'll have the contingency in case

51:22we run into valves that's not holding

51:24>> or if when they're doing the demolition,

51:26we find a hidden condition we didn't

51:28anticipate.

51:30>> But this type of project, typically,

51:32>> we don't run anything except for valves.

51:34>> Okay.

51:36Further questions?

51:38>> Thank you.

51:38>> Thank you.

51:39>> Agenda item number 25 is a resolution

51:41authorizing execution of an amendment to

51:43the agreement with Quality Refrigeration

51:45Concepts, Inc. for on call HVAC

51:47maintenance services for various for

51:48county locations. Chelsea Swain, our

51:50deputy general services director, will

51:52brief this item.

51:53>> Good afternoon, board. Um, this item is

51:56to approve a contract amendment with

51:58Quality Refrigeration Concepts, Inc.,

52:00QRC for on call HVAC maintenance at

52:04different county facilities. This is

52:05services that we cannot handle inhouse.

52:08Back in June, we did bid this through

52:10city county purchasing and did receive

52:11three responses with um QRC having the

52:14lowest hourly rate. We executed a

52:17contract for $49,000, a one-year term

52:20beginning on July 1st and ending on June

52:2230th of 2027. However, due to some

52:25unanticipated repair needs at the public

52:28safety center, we are at a point where

52:30we need to amend that contract in order

52:32to repair the systems there and um get

52:35those systems operating and functional

52:37until the full replacement can be done

52:39at the public safety center. Um those

52:41repairs are going to be a little over

52:43$94,000.

52:44So with that, we are asking for an

52:46amendment to increase the total not to

52:48exceed amount of this contract to

52:50$150,000.

52:52That would allow for the repairs at the

52:54public safety center as well as allow

52:56for funds to be available for any other

52:58on call as needed repairs which may

53:01occur at different facilities through

53:02the end of the fiscal year. Happy to

53:04answer any questions you may have.

53:06>> Questions.

53:09>> Thank you.

53:09>> Thanks.

53:10>> Agenda item number 26 is Chelsea's as

53:12well. It's a resolution authorizing

53:14execution of a memorandum of agreement

53:16with the North Carolina Administrative

53:17Office of the Courts and approving

53:19procurement of various items for the

53:20Forside County Courthouse.

53:22>> So you all um at the approval of the

53:25FY27 budget, you approved to allocate

53:27$350,000

53:29to be used towards different items to be

53:31purchased for the courthouse. And this

53:34was based on a list of items that the

53:36judges and court departments had um

53:38submitted. Much of those requests center

53:40around technology the for the crave

53:43system in the courtrooms which is

53:44courtroom audio visual experience. So

53:47this item would approve a memorandum of

53:48agreement with the North Carolina

53:50administrative office of the courts AOC.

53:53Um whereas we would pay for the purchase

53:56of the technology that has been

53:58requested and they would sort of guide

54:00that procurement process and the

54:02installation of that equipment. the

54:05judges and court departments have

54:07narrowed down to they would like a new

54:09Crave 2.0 system for courtroom 304 and

54:12then they would like to upgrade the

54:14CRAVE systems from 1.0 to 2.0 in

54:17courtrooms 301 and 307 and they would

54:20also like to establish a WebEx hearing

54:23room on in a space on the fifth floor

54:25that's not currently being utilized.

54:28This item also include um references

54:31that the cell phone pouches would be

54:33funded out of this original $350,000 as

54:36well as furniture and subscription

54:38services. Furniture for the WebEx

54:39hearing room and sub subscription

54:41services for the new equipment. All of

54:44that would be out of this um $350,000.

54:48So I'm happy to answer any questions you

54:50may have.

54:51>> So this includes the Faraday pouches.

54:54>> Yes, sir.

54:55>> Okay. How many? 200.

54:58>> We're looking at 250 right now with a

55:00little room to order more if we see the

55:02need to order more.

55:03>> Okay. And has there been a determination

55:05yet as to who would be in control in the

55:08courtroom? Either the bench or the baiff

55:11or is that looked like that was left

55:13indeterminate? At this point,

55:15>> they're revising the policy. So, I think

55:17there are still some discussions on who

55:20will do that in the courtrooms for the

55:23courthouse. The um bags will be at

55:26security. So they'll be available for

55:27people who meet certain requirements as

55:29they come in.

55:30>> Okay. And under this MOA, what is the

55:33extent of the warranty period?

55:36>> As I read it, it is through the contract

55:38that they have with E+, which is their

55:41vendor.

55:43>> All right.

55:44>> So, I think we're in the first one-year

55:47renewal of that contract, but I think

55:48this is like the second contract that

55:50they've had with them.

55:52>> Okay. So the ex the warranty period then

55:55by E+ is amounts to what how long if we

55:59know

56:00>> as I understand it the length of their

56:02contract I'll look to Gordon I don't

56:03know if he had any additional

56:05clarification his team spent a lot of

56:08time working with AOC on this

56:11>> I I had spoken with them earlier about

56:14that um I'm not sure whether it's been

56:16defined or not um Andrew Marshall in my

56:19office has been working with this but um

56:22that's something we would clarify it's

56:23it's we're really looking at a two-step

56:25process for the so the first step is

56:28just this uh group coming in and doing a

56:31survey.

56:32They're going to give us not to exceed

56:34costs for each um item on the list. And

56:38so we're going to make sure that that

56:41does not exceed $350,000 as Chelsea

56:44indicated. That would include a couple

56:47items that AOC is not doing. um the

56:50wiring, any kind of wiring that county's

56:52responsible for and the Faraday bags.

56:54And so as part of that, we'll um figure

56:57out what the warranty will be. Also,

56:59after the warranty um expires, then the

57:02county would be responsible.

57:05>> So, it would be nice to know at some

57:07point what the extent of the warranty

57:09period would be.

57:11>> We clarify that.

57:16Vice Chair Wilson, since that's your

57:18second home, do you think this will be

57:22uh okay with the judges that have had

57:24problems?

57:26>> And I can answer that. Uh the judges uh

57:29of course the senior resident peer court

57:31judge and the chief district court judge

57:34uh at this point uh appear to be quite

57:36pleased with the progress that has been

57:38made in both those areas.

57:40>> Right. That's good to know. Thank you.

57:42Further questions? Thank you. Agenda

57:46item number 27 is Chelsea's as well.

57:48It's a resolution authorizing the grant

57:49and execution of a temporary

57:51construction easement to VNC Land

57:53Company LLC across a portion of Forcy

57:56County owned real property.

57:58>> So at your May 7th meeting, you approved

58:00a temporary construction easement to VNC

58:03Land Company at 5580 Sturmer Park Circle

58:06and that was to allow for the

58:09development of their property that

58:10they're in the process of acquiring from

58:12the county. and that was for some land

58:14grading needs and as well as to install

58:17some landscaping on our property. That

58:20temporary construction easement was not

58:22quite 17,000 square feet. In the process

58:25of development and finalizing the plans,

58:27it's been determined that they need an

58:29additional 5,100 square ft of temporary

58:32construction easement also for grading.

58:35Um, this would allow to maintain more of

58:37a natural aesthetic for the property and

58:40would um, keep them from having to

58:43construct such a large retaining wall at

58:45the property. Um, as compensation for

58:48this, BNC will pay the county $10,000

58:50and there we do not expect any

58:53interference with the county property.

58:55And I do have a picture of

59:00of the area um just kind of looking out

59:03towards University and then the

59:05intersection there at University and

59:06Shadelon Drive and representatives from

59:08VNZ Land Company are here if you have

59:10any questions for them as well.

59:13>> Questions?

59:18>> Okay.

59:18>> Um

59:21showing us a picture of number of mature

59:24trees. Is that are they asking for an

59:26additional construction ement that would

59:28take down those trees?

59:29>> No, that's just just in the line of side

59:31of the picture.

59:32>> Oh, okay. Thank you.

59:35>> Other questions?

59:36>> Thank you.

59:37>> Thanks.

59:37>> Agenda item number 28 is a resolution

59:40authorizing the purchase of real

59:41property at 2830 Memorial Industrial

59:43School Road pursuant to a right of first

59:45refusal agreement. Chris Weevil, our

59:47parks director, will brief this item.

59:51>> Good afternoon, commissioners. Uh the

59:53resolution before you today uh is to

59:55accept and um purchase real property

59:58located at 2830 Memorial Industrial

1:00:00School Road in accordance with a right

1:00:02of first refusal agreement. Uh in 1993,

1:00:05Mr. and Mrs. Charles Yawro entered into

1:00:08an easement and right of first refusal

1:00:11agreement in favor of Forcy County um

1:00:13for the subject property. The agreement

1:00:15was recorded on May 6, 1993 with Fory

1:00:18County Register of Deeds granting Forcy

1:00:20County the right of first refusal. The

1:00:22subject property is approximately 3/4 of

1:00:24an acre in size and does contain a

1:00:26mobile home that will be conveyed

1:00:28subject to the exception of title. Both

1:00:30parties have agreed on a purchase price

1:00:32of $41,000 for the property. Closing

1:00:35cost and fees required to complete the

1:00:37transaction uh amount to $2,4896967.

1:00:43The total amount required to purchase

1:00:45and close on this property is not to

1:00:46exceed $43,48967.

1:00:51And for some reference, I've got a few

1:00:52items for the Elmo here.

1:01:02Wrong way.

1:01:07This first slide

1:01:10about as small as we get it. As you can

1:01:13see there, everything outlined in blue

1:01:14is Horizon's Park. We're right at 490

1:01:17acres there. Uh the small um section

1:01:21outlined in yellow that is the subject

1:01:23property.

1:01:26Got a little tighter view for you.

1:01:32See that just north of the subject

1:01:34property is Horizon's Residential Care

1:01:36Center. Then outlined in yellow is the U

1:01:40subject property. Do have one photo of

1:01:43the actual uh home itself.

1:01:47This is from geod data as well.

1:01:50Evidently, there was a yard sale at some

1:01:51point in time there.

1:01:54Happy to answer any questions,

1:01:56>> questions,

1:01:59>> where is the funding for this coming

1:02:01from in our budget?

1:02:02>> It's coming from um our twothirds bond

1:02:05park project um funds.

1:02:06>> Thank you.

1:02:08>> And that picture you just showed us, was

1:02:10that the trailer that has been affixed

1:02:13to the property?

1:02:14>> Correct.

1:02:14>> Become a part thereof. Yes, sir.

1:02:18Further questions?

1:02:20Thank you.

1:02:21>> Agenda item number 29 is a resolution

1:02:24acknowledging notice from the Clemens

1:02:25Fire Department of its intent to convey

1:02:27real property located in Fory County

1:02:29valued at over $10,000 and approving the

1:02:31conveyance pursuant to section 14 of the

1:02:34July 1st, 2026 agreement between Force

1:02:36County and the Clemens Fire Department

1:02:38and an associated resolution

1:02:39acknowledging notice. Um Kyle Haney, our

1:02:42deputy county manager, will brief this

1:02:43item.

1:02:44>> Good afternoon, commissioners. As part

1:02:46of the board's contracts with uh or

1:02:48agreements with contracted fire

1:02:49departments, uh we have a provision that

1:02:51requires fire departments who are either

1:02:54conveying or purchasing capital property

1:02:57to uh come to the commissioners and seek

1:02:59approval for that purchase. Um and so

1:03:01that's what this uh item is doing. So

1:03:04the Clemens Fire Department is looking

1:03:06at conveying uh a parcel that they

1:03:08currently own uh located at

1:03:124, sorry, lost my place. 4840 Hampton

1:03:15Road. Um, this property was acquired uh

1:03:18several years ago in the uh case that

1:03:21they were looking at building a third

1:03:22fire uh fire department or firehouse.

1:03:26And they are also seeking to acquire

1:03:29additional property um at zero Hampton

1:03:32Road, but essentially at the corner of

1:03:34Hampton Road and Idol's Road. There's a

1:03:36a vacant property at this point um with

1:03:38the in intent of pursuing a construction

1:03:40of a future firehouse. Um I I Chief

1:03:44Styers with Clemens is here and he has a

1:03:46presentation that will go he'll he can

1:03:48go through talking about some of the

1:03:49analysis and the reasoning behind this

1:03:51request

1:03:59work on some technology here.

1:04:03>> Good afternoon commissioners and give me

1:04:05just bear with me just a second.

1:04:08>> I'm proud of myself I did that.

1:04:13All right. So, um before you just like

1:04:15Kyle explained is a part of our

1:04:17contract, we have to come before you and

1:04:19uh request our ability to convey the

1:04:21property or purchase the property. And

1:04:23what has occurred is we did buy uh or

1:04:26bought a third additional property. And

1:04:28we've taken a deep dive or our board has

1:04:31taken a deep dive into sort of our

1:04:34future. And what we wanted to do was

1:04:36sort of look at that to determine our

1:04:38long-term cost effectiveness based on a

1:04:41couple of things, which was one was

1:04:43needs. Um, like every fire department,

1:04:45there's a ton of needs out there, but

1:04:47what what are our needs and what are

1:04:49those look like long term? And then what

1:04:51does our service delivery look like as

1:04:53well? Uh, so we took a deep dive into

1:04:56that and and I felt like a good

1:04:57presentation would would explain some of

1:04:59those items as well.

1:05:02>> Sorry, not sharing.

1:05:03>> Not sharing. I I did not do it well

1:05:05enough.

1:05:11And hit that button right there. Now I'm

1:05:14not as proud of myself.

1:05:16There we go. So what we want to do is

1:05:19take a deep dive and and and sort of

1:05:21figure out those cost effectiveness

1:05:22because we are talking about some plans

1:05:24for 50 years. Our current stations have

1:05:26lasted us a long time. Uh, also when we

1:05:30staff a fire station, uh, there's a

1:05:32tremendous amount of annual costs that

1:05:34go along with that. So, we wanted to

1:05:35make sure we were being uh, stewards of

1:05:37the taxpayers money. So, kind of our

1:05:39current locations, the first one is 5931

1:05:42James Street that we operate out of,

1:05:4410:30 South Peace Haven Road that we

1:05:47operate out of, and the 4840 Hampton

1:05:49Road, which is land only. It does have a

1:05:52house on it, uh, but it's not adequate

1:05:54enough to provide a fire station. So,

1:05:55we'd have to construct something there.

1:05:57Uh, this, uh, piece of partial of land

1:06:00was added in 2022. And the purpose

1:06:03behind that was our response times. Uh,

1:06:06quite often, uh, some of our response

1:06:08times or um, response times are a big

1:06:13factor when locating a fire station. uh

1:06:15response times is is what this slide is

1:06:17indicating. Uh in a recent study um that

1:06:20the county was a part of uh we were um

1:06:24identified as a 1710 community. What

1:06:27that means is that there is a standard

1:06:30out there that tells us kind of what our

1:06:32response time should be, how we should

1:06:34get to folks and in a timely manner

1:06:36obviously, but how fast we should

1:06:38travel. Uh not necessarily we can't go

1:06:40above the speed limit, but what does

1:06:42time travel look like? Uh and for us

1:06:44what we try to do is set fire stations

1:06:47where they're about four minutes to

1:06:48where we can reach most of the citizens

1:06:50within four minutes within a 90% uh

1:06:52look. Uh so to do that um we've actually

1:06:57uh kind of looked at our current history

1:06:59as to as to what what we are performing

1:07:01currently. The red line that you see in

1:07:04front of you now is the benchmark uh

1:07:06that 1710 sits for us which is about

1:07:08five which is 5 minutes 20 seconds. Our

1:07:11James Street station is the orange bar

1:07:14graph if you will. The uh South Peace

1:07:18Haven Road station is the uh blue line

1:07:21if you will. And you can see that for

1:07:24quite some time we have not been

1:07:26performing or we're performing. We have

1:07:27much greater travel times than what the

1:07:30gold should be. Uh so that tells us that

1:07:32we definitely need to look need to look

1:07:33at our response areas and see how that's

1:07:35going for us. uh to kind of give you

1:07:37another perspective. Uh this is our heat

1:07:40map where our current call volumes are.

1:07:43Uh the green are just a minimum number.

1:07:46The yellow is increasingly numbers. Reds

1:07:49are where we spend a lot of our time

1:07:51with with some of our districts. Uh the

1:07:53the two what's also neat about this map

1:07:55is where our fire station locations are

1:07:58are uh indicated by the the nice

1:08:00monopoly buildings, I guess you would

1:08:02say. And then down to the south down

1:08:04here, the red dot indicates uh where

1:08:07that property was purchased back in

1:08:102022.

1:08:11Um obviously to our southern area, you

1:08:15can see that has been a growing concern

1:08:16for us. Um basically as you analyze call

1:08:20volume, it follows population. So as we

1:08:23add um neighborhoods and so to speak, uh

1:08:27we do see more response in that area.

1:08:30And so the call volume does increase

1:08:32based on where the population increases.

1:08:34So when then we started so we knew we

1:08:36we've got some response time issues and

1:08:38we kind of knew that and so we also

1:08:40started looking at our needs. Uh our

1:08:42James Street station has served us very

1:08:45well. Um but definitely needs a total

1:08:48remodel and additional space added now.

1:08:51Uh and this was confirmed by that same

1:08:53study. Uh we are landlocked around us

1:08:56and I'll I'll kind of show you a

1:08:57screenshot here in just a minute by our

1:08:59neighbors. Um when we uh priced a

1:09:02limited remodel several years back uh

1:09:04that cost was well over 1.5 million. Uh

1:09:07the reason being uh this is a 1982

1:09:10building. So to bring that up to

1:09:11standards, ADA code, uh you name it, um

1:09:14it's going to be very costly just to get

1:09:16over that hump. And we'll talk about

1:09:18some of the issues that creates here in

1:09:19just a minute. The other needs we have

1:09:21is the South Peace Haven Road Station.

1:09:24although not as bad as the James Street

1:09:26one, we do know it has to be remodeled

1:09:28you pretty quickly within the next 5

1:09:30years and that is consistent with the

1:09:32study and it's also uh landlocked itself

1:09:36uh and does have some some

1:09:38disadvantages. Uh these views are some

1:09:40insides of the James Street station and

1:09:42as I said it served us very well since

1:09:441982. Uh but it's about 28 or 2700

1:09:48square ft. Uh it lacks storage and

1:09:52privacy for male and female

1:09:53firefighters. The one photo is looking

1:09:56across what used to be our training room

1:09:59that now serves as a bedroom for three

1:10:01firefighters, a living room. We we

1:10:03jokingly call it our caffeinatorium. Uh

1:10:05because it is truly a multi-purpose room

1:10:07in every sense of the word. Uh because

1:10:09we do have folks that sleep in that. Uh

1:10:12it is also very down the hallway is very

1:10:14open to the public. So that's where I'm

1:10:16referencing the lack of privacy for our

1:10:18firefighters, both male and female. It

1:10:21does have some utility issues obviously

1:10:23with its age. Uh and it just wasn't

1:10:25designed for five to seven people

1:10:27working out of it every day that we have

1:10:29see it today. Um so uh we have

1:10:32definitely outgrown that area and as far

1:10:35as our abilities to expand um our folks

1:10:38from the school system on the land

1:10:40around us and obviously one side we are

1:10:42obviously up against property lines. So,

1:10:45uh, relocation to add-on and add on a

1:10:47parking space, add-on administrative

1:10:49space, add-on firefighter living space.

1:10:52Our our building envelope is very small.

1:10:55Same thing with the South Peace Haven

1:10:56Road Station. Again, served us very

1:10:58well. Constructed since 19 or

1:11:00constructed in 1990. Uh, the living

1:11:02areas um downstairs about 1,800 square

1:11:06ft, 1,200 ft² upstairs. Here again, we

1:11:10have some privacy issues uh for our male

1:11:12and female firefighters, uh utility

1:11:14issues, and other high costs that will

1:11:17need repairs. Uh there are a couple

1:11:18repairs that are looming that we'll have

1:11:20to deal with here sooner than later. And

1:11:23then obviously our building envelope

1:11:25where we can make some expansion or do

1:11:27some growth is very limited uh just

1:11:28because of the shape of the the actual

1:11:30land and partial that we're on. So kind

1:11:33of what we know is we have a response

1:11:35need and we have a need to remodel both

1:11:38stations. So as we looked at that, we

1:11:40took that into consideration if we try

1:11:43to build the third station. So if we

1:11:45remodel, remodel and build, uh what does

1:11:47that cost versus uh and and something I

1:11:50need to make sure I don't understate is

1:11:53the annual cost to staff a fire station

1:11:56every single year. We're estimating that

1:11:58to be about 1 1.5 million. So that's for

1:12:01uh keeping the water on, keeping the

1:12:03power on, but the salaries of additional

1:12:05firefighters. Um so it's a very much a

1:12:07big investment to fix these fire

1:12:09stations and build a third. Uh so that's

1:12:12when we began to look at the two station

1:12:14model to see um if it's cost-effective

1:12:16just to relocate two brand new stations

1:12:19since we've got to get into all this

1:12:20construction anyway. And we were we were

1:12:23presently surprised that uh currently

1:12:26with our two fire station locations uh

1:12:30and and this is talking in address

1:12:31points. So when I went to GIS, there's

1:12:34address points within our district uh

1:12:36where uh folks reside in their homes and

1:12:39businesses and and those things. So the

1:12:41question was what can we cover in four

1:12:44minutes? With our current fire station,

1:12:46we're covering about 81% of the of the

1:12:49current address points. If we do the two

1:12:52fire stations plus adding the third,

1:12:54we're covering 93.6%.

1:12:57If we create if we get uh two locations

1:13:01where we can um adequate or two

1:13:05locations where we can find that can

1:13:07coverage with existing open land and we

1:13:09have those spots indicated, we actually

1:13:11covered 94% of our properties. So kind

1:13:15of what we learned in doing this and it

1:13:16was a part of the study is that our

1:13:19current stations are actually too close.

1:13:21Uh so that helps us a little bit where

1:13:22we could expand and u the map that you

1:13:26have in front of you now is our current

1:13:27location. Um where you can see there the

1:13:30one fire station I don't know if my

1:13:32arrow shows up on your screen but

1:13:34there's a fire station there. The other

1:13:36fire station is right there. They're

1:13:39about 1.6 miles apart. So they're

1:13:41actually too close. So to kind of help

1:13:44If we spread those out, we can get more

1:13:46coverage and avoid some of that annual

1:13:48cost. And you can see why our response

1:13:50times to the south to the south part of

1:13:52our district are hurting us. We just

1:13:54cannot reach that area within within 4

1:13:57minutes in building the two stations in

1:14:00the two areas that we have identified.

1:14:02Um, Hampton and Idols being one of

1:14:04those, Harper Road Peace Haven area

1:14:06being the other. we can cover those

1:14:08districts and that's where it gets us

1:14:10that 94%

1:14:12uh in coverage. So then we looked at how

1:14:15soon do we need to do this? Um and what

1:14:18this graph represents is 45% over the

1:14:22last four or five years here around 45%

1:14:25of the calls we do not reach those calls

1:14:27in a timely manner or based on

1:14:29standards. We're running over 2500 calls

1:14:32a year. So this is over a thousand

1:14:34emergency events every year. we can't

1:14:36get there in what the standards tell us

1:14:37to arrive in an appropriate amount of

1:14:39time. Um so it's getting to be um sooner

1:14:44than later probably yesterday kind of

1:14:46concept for us. Um this is just a map

1:14:49that kind of indicates that as well

1:14:51where blue is good in this case

1:14:53unfortunately I guess most of the time

1:14:55we always think green is good but in

1:14:57this case blue is good green yellows and

1:14:59the reds are not good as far as our

1:15:02response map. And you can see here again

1:15:05even in this analysis to the south we

1:15:08are continuously having uh more and more

1:15:10issues. So with all of that and that is

1:15:14a culmination of about a year's worth of

1:15:16data and digging around and and trying

1:15:18to figure out what's the best. We have

1:15:20kind of determined that two stations can

1:15:22actually serve our citizens effectively.

1:15:25It will help our response time to

1:15:27decrease our response time so we can get

1:15:29there in a timely fashion and it will be

1:15:32of the options that we have the most

1:15:34coste effective that we can uh visit

1:15:36moving forward. Sure. Short term what

1:15:38our board has identified is acquiring uh

1:15:41the land in those two areas. Uh we have

1:15:44done that with this first piece of

1:15:46partial uh then construct the new

1:15:48station and then sell the old location

1:15:50to James Street. And then long-term is

1:15:53control is construct the second uh fire

1:15:56station and sell the old location um and

1:15:59and move forward with the two new

1:16:01locations. So effectively to move

1:16:05forward with this we are requesting that

1:16:08uh we convey the land back original um

1:16:12deal or or an agreement if you would is

1:16:14that the 4840 Hampton Road if it ever

1:16:17was to not be used would actually go

1:16:19back to the original owner. So we are

1:16:21requesting that that take place. And

1:16:24then u uh the second part of this

1:16:26request is to purchase the property

1:16:28located at Hampton Idols uh so that we

1:16:31can begin the process of looking and and

1:16:33diving into the analysis of building a

1:16:35fire station. So I said all that to say

1:16:37this and hopefully it makes sense. uh

1:16:39what our plan moving forward instead of

1:16:41having three locations is have two and

1:16:43taking the existing ones and moving

1:16:45those locations um to better serve our

1:16:48our citizens for a very long-term

1:16:51future. And I guess the best news of all

1:16:54this, we are not requesting any

1:16:55additional funding. Uh we do think with

1:16:58the obligations that we have and the

1:16:59conveyance back, uh we can handle this

1:17:01request inhouse without without any

1:17:04action or funding from the county. With

1:17:07that, I I know that's a lot of

1:17:09information. I'll take any questions you

1:17:10have.

1:17:11>> Questions?

1:17:13>> Where is the intersection with Idol's

1:17:17Road of Hampton U road? Is it where on

1:17:22Idol's Road?

1:17:23>> Yes. So, at the intersection of Hampton

1:17:24and Idols, are you familiar with um

1:17:26what's the convenience store down there?

1:17:28Um right there at the train tracks of

1:17:30Hampton and Idols, the new intersection

1:17:32where they did that Idol Road extension.

1:17:34Uh there's a little convenience store

1:17:36right there. Uh what's the name of it? I

1:17:38got

1:17:38>> Is this north or south of 158?

1:17:40>> North of 15 or I'm sorry, excuse me.

1:17:43South of 158 or Clemens Road down

1:17:45Hampton Road toward the industrial park

1:17:48right there. Clementine Drive. Carlton

1:17:50Store is where is what the name of that

1:17:52store?

1:17:52>> So it's the intersection with Idol's

1:17:54Road south of 158. Correct. Correct.

1:17:57>> More south of Hampton Road.

1:17:58>> Right. And there's a train track that

1:18:00runs the entire course there. So, it was

1:18:03restricted to a two-lane road.

1:18:05>> Yes, sir.

1:18:06>> With the exception of one turning lane,

1:18:07I think that was recently installed.

1:18:09>> Yes. Just on that, there's four corners

1:18:11there. Two of the corners are the train

1:18:13tracks. The other two corners, one's a

1:18:15neighborhood, uh, and then the other

1:18:17one's a vacant piece of property that we

1:18:19were able to locate.

1:18:20>> Right. Well, it's a pretty big

1:18:21neighborhood that's there now.

1:18:23>> Yes.

1:18:23>> And they're talking about building

1:18:24another one that is zoned for 500 units.

1:18:28Um, and is there a concern about the

1:18:33traffic u that runs on Idol's road uh

1:18:38during the peak hours in the morning and

1:18:40in the evening?

1:18:42>> Um, I think the safest way to say

1:18:44there's always concern about traffic uh

1:18:46when we try to navigate that of course

1:18:48um what we are looking at is that when

1:18:52these additional and those address

1:18:53points are not plotted from GIS. Uh so

1:18:56when those address points get plotted,

1:18:59we do think these locations become even

1:19:01more substantial because they can cover

1:19:03those locations. Uh traffic traffic is

1:19:06just something we we are going to have

1:19:07to navigate. We obviously ask for the

1:19:09right away and sometimes get it. Uh

1:19:11sometimes don't, but um we navigate the

1:19:13best it can we can and obviously um I'm

1:19:17sure road improvements would have to

1:19:18come along as well. Idols is a two-lane

1:19:21road uh but more wide than the normal

1:19:25two-lane road and it's something we have

1:19:27to transverse now as well uh responding

1:19:29to some of the neighborhoods in the

1:19:31area.

1:19:32>> Well, it can't be widened on the east

1:19:33side where the track

1:19:34>> train tracks. Yeah.

1:19:37>> Thank you.

1:19:38>> Yes, sir.

1:19:39>> Questions?

1:19:43>> More of a comment. Um, in my previous

1:19:47experience on city council, um, location

1:19:50of new fire stations, the neighborhoods

1:19:52nearby were on balance happy to get the

1:19:55closer coverage. Um, even if even if

1:20:00there was concern about existing traffic

1:20:03on on the road, um, I don't know if if

1:20:08Clemens is going to be categorically

1:20:10different than the southwest ward of

1:20:12Winston Salem, but uh, you know, you

1:20:15always get people who, as you say,

1:20:17always get people who are concerned

1:20:18about traffic, but

1:20:20uh, less concerned if it's the fire

1:20:22truck coming to put their house out.

1:20:28Commissioner Parker,

1:20:30>> one other question with this plan that

1:20:33you're kind of in the early stages of,

1:20:36um, would this help in the future now

1:20:40and in the future with homeowners fire

1:20:43protection insurance?

1:20:45>> Yes, sir. So, to answer that question,

1:20:47u, by the time you dip below, so there's

1:20:49ISO rating, uh, 0 to 10. 10 basically

1:20:52being you have no fire protection. Um,

1:20:55to answer your question, we're already

1:20:57at a two. Uh, so when you get five to

1:20:59four, it really does not help the

1:21:01homeowner. Um, when you go below the

1:21:04four, it usually helps commercial uh,

1:21:06properties that do not have sprinkler

1:21:08systems. Uh, that's where they could see

1:21:10a little bit of trade-off there. Uh, at

1:21:12a two, you only have one more notch to

1:21:14go. So, um, it will help us maintain

1:21:18this. Uh and actually uh we were graded

1:21:21off the current model where we're at 81%

1:21:23coverage going to 94% coverage. One

1:21:26would only you think that it would help

1:21:28that. Uh the biggest help is that uh I

1:21:32can't overemphasize that 45% of the time

1:21:34we're not getting there in a timely

1:21:36fashion. And that's what I'm excited

1:21:38about is is giving our citizens um the

1:21:42coverage they desire or or the the

1:21:44response that they desire that where we

1:21:46can get there in a timely fashion and

1:21:48hopefully make a difference in their

1:21:50emergency. But to answer your question,

1:21:51once we go below a four of ISO, there's

1:21:54not impact on unfortunately residential,

1:21:56but we do see some a little bit in

1:21:57commercial.

1:22:00>> Thank you.

1:22:01>> Yes. Yes, ma'am. Thank you. Agenda items

1:22:0330 to 31 are uh 30 is an order of the

1:22:06force county board of commissioners in

1:22:08accordance with the general statutes for

1:22:09the collection of 2026 taxes and 31 is

1:22:12the collection of 25 and prior year's

1:22:15taxes. Um this is one of the things our

1:22:17tax assessor collector has to do each

1:22:18year. I'm going to ask Amanda Markle,

1:22:20our tax assessor collector to brief

1:22:22these items.

1:22:33Good afternoon, commissioners. Thank you

1:22:35for having me up here today. Um, items

1:22:37number 30 and 31, of course, are our

1:22:39yearly items for y'all to give me

1:22:42permission to collect your property

1:22:44taxes. Um, starting with tax year 2026

1:22:47and then the prior years, so 2017 all

1:22:50the way up to 2025.

1:22:55>> And I'll be happy to answer any

1:22:56questions. questions.

1:22:59>> I don't believe so. [laughter]

1:23:01>> Thank you, Amanda. Um, and 32 and 33 are

1:23:04refunds by the tax assessor collector.

1:23:0632 is in the amount of $9368

1:23:09and 33 is in the amount of $21,855.78

1:23:14and 34 and 35 are our reports. 34 is the

1:23:18July contribution based benefit cap

1:23:20report and 35 is the July financial

1:23:22report.

1:23:24Uh before we uh get the motion to go

1:23:28into close session, I would like to say

1:23:30to the commissioners that uh Ashley's

1:23:33going to pass out a sheet that will have

1:23:36the uh items that Dr. Martin the

1:23:39committees that he served on. And if you

1:23:42all will check if there's any that you

1:23:45are uh wanting to serve on. If you do

1:23:49not check anything then I will decide

1:23:52what you can serve on.

1:23:55So please help me and um that's all I

1:23:58have.

1:23:59>> Thank you.

1:24:00>> Yes madam chair. We had had some

1:24:02informal discussions of possibility of

1:24:05adding a couple of items to future

1:24:07agendas.

1:24:08>> The one that's um the the nearer term

1:24:12let me address that first. Um, at our at

1:24:16our previous meeting, we took action to

1:24:19approve the acquisition of a number of

1:24:22vaccines uh for this upcoming season.

1:24:26Um, and at the time I'd asked for a

1:24:28report back on um what we would need to

1:24:33um uh to cover uh a

1:24:38a number of COVID vaccinations.

1:24:41Um and and staff did that uh that number

1:24:44crunching and came back um that uh if uh

1:24:48if we purchased

1:24:51um the um the level that I was asking

1:24:54them to look at, which was essentially

1:24:56just slightly above what was actually

1:24:59used um by our public health department

1:25:03last year uh in um providing

1:25:08vaccines and that would have been 250

1:25:10adult doses. es and 10 children's doses,

1:25:16it would amount at current

1:25:19market purchase rates to $39,000.

1:25:23They're they're going um I understand

1:25:25from uh you assistant county manager

1:25:29price, they're going at about $150 um

1:25:33dollars a shot.

1:25:34>> That isn't approximate at this point.

1:25:36They the FDA has not approved the actual

1:25:38vaccine yet, so we don't have exact

1:25:40pricing, but we're basing it um on

1:25:42feedback from our representative and

1:25:44what we've historically purchased for.

1:25:46>> Uh and if we were in the alternative to

1:25:48go with precisely what was um actually

1:25:52used uh for folks who did not have uh

1:25:56private insurance coverage or Medicaid,

1:25:59Medicare coverage, it would be um

1:26:01$36,900

1:26:03at that estimated price range. Um or

1:26:07alternatively if we were to authorize a

1:26:10partial order uh and then u come have

1:26:15the staff come back if it looked like

1:26:17that was uh running out um say half of

1:26:21that uh would be the amount a little

1:26:24over $18,000

1:26:26um because

1:26:30we're moving into September and the uh

1:26:33the flu and respiratory infections

1:26:35season is coming hard on the heels of

1:26:38that. I'd like to suggest that we add to

1:26:43our uh meeting Thursday evening uh

1:26:47consideration of an item uh to authorize

1:26:51up to $39,000 or one of the lesser

1:26:53amounts if it's the will of the uh of

1:26:56the commission uh for for purchase. Um

1:27:01and that's that's a a suggestion for um

1:27:06madam chair for your consideration and

1:27:08for the um uh for my colleagues for our

1:27:11colleagues.

1:27:12>> Do I have um ideas from the other board

1:27:16members?

1:27:19>> Well, I know we've got the monkey pox

1:27:21vaccine on the list that's approved. Um

1:27:24and depending on the manufacturer,

1:27:27you know, I might be willing to consider

1:27:28that. Is this Madna, Fizer or someone

1:27:31else?

1:27:32>> What we have done historically is go

1:27:34with the lowest cost of approved

1:27:36vaccines.

1:27:38>> So we don't have a specific

1:27:39recommendation at this point.

1:27:43>> Do we is this only for for Scythe County

1:27:47residents? Do we have a way of tracking

1:27:49that?

1:27:50>> We have not historically done that.

1:27:51Historically vaccine before last year

1:27:53was provided by the state and we were

1:27:55obligated to provide to anyone who came

1:27:57through. We are exploring and in contact

1:28:00with our state consultants to asssure

1:28:02that we could specify that this was for

1:28:06uninsured

1:28:08individuals that are foresight county

1:28:10residents.

1:28:11>> So it could be less under that scenario,

1:28:14but we just don't know.

1:28:15>> Correct.

1:28:16>> And when you uh purchase the COVID

1:28:19vaccine, you purchase a vial.

1:28:21>> You do

1:28:22>> and there's a certain number of doses in

1:28:23that vial.

1:28:24>> Historically, that is the case. I'd want

1:28:26to verify that with public health to see

1:28:28if there's been any changes to way that

1:28:30is packaged and dosed.

1:28:32>> Okay? Because I would also want to know

1:28:35um kind of what the shelf life on that

1:28:37is and whether we were able to actually

1:28:40use because you would want to be able to

1:28:43use everything within that vial,

1:28:45especially based on the cost that we're

1:28:47talking about per dosage. So,

1:28:51uh those would be a few questions I

1:28:53would have.

1:28:54>> Sure. I can try to get that information

1:28:56for you before Thursday.

1:28:58>> And it's my understanding that um the

1:29:00240 adult doses and six children's doses

1:29:03are is the number that were actually

1:29:05used last year from among what we we

1:29:08ordered. Although at that time uh it did

1:29:10not include tracking uh to ensure that

1:29:13it was only for for South County

1:29:15residents.

1:29:18Well, for me, I would need to know

1:29:20specifically if we can designate that it

1:29:23be strictly for for sight county

1:29:26residents. That's my main concern.

1:29:30So, I assume that we're in agreement to

1:29:33add it to the agenda.

1:29:34>> Thank you.

1:29:37>> Thanks very much. The other is is not uh

1:29:40not as time critical um in terms of this

1:29:44week. Um I know that there have been

1:29:46conversations uh whether I there have

1:29:49been conversations um uh including me

1:29:52with individual uh colleagues on the

1:29:55commission about the advisability of

1:29:57considering whether we wanted to ask

1:30:00staff to draft a hyperscale data center

1:30:04moratorum.

1:30:06Um uh and of course the answer whether

1:30:10we uh actually took such an action would

1:30:13depend on a number of factors including

1:30:15a report back from our attorney's office

1:30:18about alternatives that we would have

1:30:20for implementing that if we chose to do

1:30:23so. Um, uh,

1:30:26I would like to request the addition to

1:30:30the September 14, uh, briefing

1:30:34discussion of whether we want to ask

1:30:37staff to prepare such a a motion for

1:30:40consideration at a then future meeting.

1:30:46Um,

1:30:48Chair Wizenhan, I do want to put on

1:30:51record that um I have um spoken with the

1:30:56county manager and the chair about

1:30:58bringing in information during one of

1:31:01our work sessions about um data centers

1:31:04before we move into um possibly a

1:31:09moratorum or even um ideally before um

1:31:13citizens bring it before us again.

1:31:15Again, I I know that I have um publicly

1:31:19acknowledged that I'm just not yet

1:31:21comfortable with what I need to know um

1:31:24about data centers and as it relates to

1:31:27um for Scythe County um to, you know,

1:31:32feel comfortable moving forward with um

1:31:35doing anything with data centers as it

1:31:37relates to, you know, voting um um for

1:31:41it. So I I hope that we could get, you

1:31:45know, um data center put on one of our

1:31:47work sessions to kind of talk more about

1:31:49it and then we move forward with

1:31:51something coming onto our agenda as it

1:31:54relates to a moratorum.

1:31:59>> Other comments?

1:32:03Would it be possible to have um the

1:32:07information that Commissioner Woodbury's

1:32:10asking for and then after that

1:32:13discussion move on to the discussion of

1:32:16the moratorum?

1:32:18>> We can try to pull something together.

1:32:20Um

1:32:22I think preferably we'd have more time

1:32:24because I I think it would be helpful to

1:32:26have some outside experts come in to um

1:32:29but I don't know if in that period of

1:32:30time we could do that. But let us work

1:32:32on it. see what we can pull off. I want

1:32:34it to be meaningful to the board. Um so

1:32:37let us see what we can do.

1:32:39>> Well, for me as an individual

1:32:41commissioner, I'm I'm not in favor of a

1:32:45moratorum. Um but if the rest of the

1:32:48board is interested in discussion, we'll

1:32:51move forward.

1:32:54The other board members interested in

1:32:56discussion for a moratorum.

1:33:01Everybody's going

1:33:02>> or just general I think what

1:33:03Commissioner Woodberry is requesting

1:33:05just to clarify is just general

1:33:06information on data centers period. Some

1:33:09some kind of some of the information

1:33:11we've learned from NAO and NCACC and

1:33:14Lowden County pros and cons like those

1:33:17types of things. Is that correct? I

1:33:18think we've absolutely and I think we've

1:33:21talked about for instance in for Scythe

1:33:23County if we were to approve data

1:33:26centers what is the best location

1:33:29ideally for data centers such that when

1:33:32developers come in hey this is I mean

1:33:34you can propose anywhere but the county

1:33:37commissioners have sort of from a you

1:33:39know consensus standpoint said these are

1:33:41the areas that would at least cross the

1:33:44threshold to have us seriously consider

1:33:48u approving um a data center. So, I'm

1:33:50just trying to, you know, get more

1:33:53information and then get a um an idea

1:33:58from the other commissioners around

1:34:00where do we, you know, agree upon that

1:34:04if we did go in that direction,

1:34:06location, this that whatever um as it

1:34:10relates to um

1:34:12um some direction for those coming in to

1:34:15propose data centers for us. So I guess

1:34:17I'm I'm I'm trying to figure out some

1:34:19kind of framework that we would put

1:34:21together around data centers based on

1:34:24the experts and the will of the

1:34:26commissioners and I I am interested in

1:34:28hearing more about you know um a

1:34:31moratorum from um commissioner Bessie

1:34:35but right now again I I don't want to

1:34:38superimpose a moratorum on the community

1:34:41and um we you know really in my opinion

1:34:45have not looked at um

1:34:49the impact good or bad for for county

1:34:52with data centers.

1:34:54>> We'll work on something.

1:34:56>> U well appeared to me it'd be better to

1:34:59have the discussion that Commissioner

1:35:01Woodbury has first and then we can move

1:35:04on to the and decide after that

1:35:07discussion if we want to move into a

1:35:09moratorum.

1:35:12>> We need a motion.

1:35:13>> This is commissioner

1:35:15Hello, this is Commissioner McDaniel.

1:35:18>> I'm sorry, Commissioner McDaniel. Okay.

1:35:22>> Thank Thank you. I just like to weigh

1:35:24in. Um I wanted to say that I believe

1:35:27that we could do both. Um not only the

1:35:31research that we would do for ourselves,

1:35:33but the constituents as well. I think

1:35:35what we need to do is continue to

1:35:37educate community relative to what data

1:35:41centers are, where they're already

1:35:43located here in Perse County, and then

1:35:47get to um the facts relative to um where

1:35:53are the best places to research future

1:35:56data centers. So I think that we can do

1:35:59both and then

1:36:01once we get gather all of that

1:36:03information I am for the moratorum as

1:36:06well. So thank you for allowing me to

1:36:08weigh in.

1:36:17She she essentially stated that she was

1:36:19interested in the discussion that you

1:36:22recommended and she's also interested in

1:36:24the moratorum discussion. She thinks

1:36:25that both could be done at the same time

1:36:28is what I think I heard.

1:36:31>> When is our next work When is our next

1:36:34work session schedule?

1:36:35>> It's actually September um 14th. And so

1:36:41we have a morning session that day. Um

1:36:43we already had scheduled which certainly

1:36:45we can um shift things but we already

1:36:48have our normal planning um update,

1:36:51utilities update. We have the community

1:36:53survey that we paid for that they were

1:36:55going to come and provide an update and

1:36:57then we were going to do a quick update

1:36:59on um the partners via merger because

1:37:02that's supposed to happen effective

1:37:04October 1st as well as well as some

1:37:06Medicaid changes that we wanted to make

1:37:08sure the board and public is aware of

1:37:10that's also effective October 1st. So,

1:37:12we had a pretty hefty morning session,

1:37:14but we were going to do the we could do

1:37:17the data center discussion at during the

1:37:20briefing time. Um,

1:37:23>> could we because it sounds like you

1:37:25would like to get maybe an authority

1:37:28that you would need to line up. Would it

1:37:30give you more time if we were to do it

1:37:32at the October planning session?

1:37:37I'm just looking at the date of we would

1:37:40not have a planning session in October.

1:37:42The next one would be November because

1:37:45it's every other month. Um but we again

1:37:48we certainly could, you know, do a a

1:37:50briefing at any time. Um, I just think

1:37:54it would be helpful for this board to

1:37:57probably hear from some outside experts,

1:37:59but that doesn't mean that we still

1:38:01can't start with, we all have a lot of

1:38:03information that we've gathered already.

1:38:05Um, I know Helena Fiori um, in our

1:38:07community economic development has

1:38:08already done a lot of research as well.

1:38:10Um,

1:38:12but so we can attempt to put something

1:38:14together and then we can always follow

1:38:16up with if there's other discussions

1:38:18that we want to do at a future date as

1:38:20well.

1:38:22Well, some of those discussions sound to

1:38:24me as though they're very important to

1:38:27our process and learning.

1:38:29>> Um, do we have any um

1:38:34future requests for data centers? I I

1:38:37wonder that we need to try to do

1:38:40something right now as it relates to the

1:38:42moratorum because essentially I think um

1:38:45Commissioner Biss and I'm interested to

1:38:46hear your followup um at this point if

1:38:50the majority still doesn't want to

1:38:53approve the data center we just going to

1:38:55say no which is essentially you know the

1:38:58moratorum if you will by way of it it

1:39:01doesn't happen. Um, but you know, I'm

1:39:05I'm not sure where we are, you know,

1:39:08with any more requests with data

1:39:09centers.

1:39:11>> Yeah, I I could speak to that. Um,

1:39:12unless something is uh late and

1:39:14breaking, uh, we do not have any current

1:39:16reasoning requests for a data center at

1:39:18this time.

1:39:21>> I'll say no formal requests, but there's

1:39:23companies that's like looking at almost

1:39:25every county almost every day. So, that

1:39:28could change. That could also change.

1:39:30Plus, we have areas that are already

1:39:33uh available that would not have to come

1:39:36to us. And then you get down to property

1:39:40rights when you when you start doing

1:39:42that. So, I I I do not want to put this

1:39:47the the what is already on the the books

1:39:51for our morning session and those people

1:39:53are already lined up. I do not want to

1:39:56postpone that. Um, and I guess it would

1:40:00not I guess um November would not be

1:40:04acceptable to to the to you all that are

1:40:08running for office, but I I don't know.

1:40:11Yeah, Madam Chair, if if we moved

1:40:13forward with the discussion of the items

1:40:16that Commissioner Woodbury was

1:40:17suggesting uh on the 14th, that would

1:40:21give us an opportunity to start the

1:40:22discussion process and identify the

1:40:24additional information and input that we

1:40:27think we need uh for future

1:40:29considerations whether or not they

1:40:30included a moratorum. Um and uh that

1:40:35that sort of initial framing discussion

1:40:38could could take place without the

1:40:40formal additional presentations.

1:40:43>> So you're saying just to put it on our

1:40:44discussion to bring staff in to share

1:40:48information.

1:40:49>> Yeah. If we if we put a discussion on uh

1:40:52one of our September briefing sessions

1:40:55um about uh that kind of background

1:40:57information that would I think start the

1:41:00discussion and it would be up to uh to

1:41:03the board as whether the discussion move

1:41:05forward with any additional steps.

1:41:09>> I I would support that.

1:41:12That favorable with the other board

1:41:13members.

1:41:17>> Yeah.

1:41:21go forward.

1:41:22>> Thank you.

1:41:23>> Could I get the motion for uh close

1:41:25session, please?

1:41:27>> Thank you, Madam Chair. I need to ask

1:41:29the board to consider a motion to go

1:41:30into close session to discuss a matter

1:41:32relating to the location or expansion of

1:41:34industries or other businesses in the

1:41:35area served by the public body,

1:41:37including agreement on a tenative list

1:41:39of economic development incentives that

1:41:41may be offered by the public body in

1:41:42negotiations pursuant to the provisions

1:41:44of North Carolina General Statutes

1:41:46143-318.11a4.

1:41:48And since there's no other business to

1:41:50come before the board at this meeting,

1:41:51following the close session, the meeting

1:41:52will be adjourned.

1:41:54>> Move approval.

1:41:56>> Second. Have a motion to approve and a

1:41:58second. All in favor say I.

1:42:01>> I.