2026-08-10 - Board of County Commissioners Briefing

00:09been there for

00:16a year.

01:12You much to do.

02:30I'm going try to get these folks in here

02:32so

02:3410%.

02:37Two

03:06hours

03:11>> [clears throat]

03:22>> Just a big wide shot.

04:00But he called it fake practice.

04:04>> [laughter]

04:13>> I mean, whatever.

04:39That's too far away.

04:52She's probably

05:12here.

05:23Oh my god.

05:34I don't think you're

06:08No, no.

06:50I heard

06:55Who was that?

07:29We have summer every year.

08:02Yeah. Cheers.

09:03Yay.

09:32That's what I'm saying.

10:17You know what?

10:57>> [clears throat]

11:04>> Good afternoon again. Um, we're here for

11:07the briefing. um August 13, 2026.

11:13Um and we have one item discussion item

11:16today that we're going to hear first is

11:20for side county ox presentation Harland

11:23Covert and Mike Vernon. Would you all

11:26please come forward?

11:32>> Could you give us your name and address?

11:36This is not the communication

11:39special presentation. Thank you, Madam

11:42Chair. Congratulations, by the way. I I

11:45actually scripted this very quickly and

11:47the first thing I said was good

11:49afternoon. I'm back,

11:52which is good. Um I'm really pleased

11:55that I was able to complete my terms

11:56commission. I do want to congratulate

11:58Chris and congratulate Glory and also

12:00congratulate Grace. That was really

12:02great. Um, but I'm here to talk about

12:05something that could not get worked in

12:07before I left. So, it was we wanted to

12:10do it on the last briefing, and you may

12:11recall it was a busy day. And so, we

12:14were able to arrange this for today. And

12:16what I want to share with you is that

12:19each year a 24-hour period is designated

12:23nationwide for amateur radio personnel

12:26to test their abilities to operate in

12:29makeshift conditions. This year, that

12:3224-hour period occurred over the weekend

12:35of June the 28th and 29th. We do our

12:38part at Hobby Park is where that

12:40actually takes place. And Reed and I

12:43were we had invited, we actually went by

12:45to observe and it was absolutely

12:48fascinating. It was also a little hot as

12:49I recall, but it was fascinating.

12:53And nationwide, each participating team

12:55is scored on a point system for such

12:58things as making satellite contacts with

13:01other operators across the state and

13:03country or using battery power versus

13:07generator power. This testing is done to

13:10ensure that we can function during any

13:13type of disaster. And during hurricane

13:16Elene, amateur radio personnel within

13:19the disaster zone and throughout the

13:21state, including folks here in Forite,

13:24responded to the needs there by

13:26providing emergency communications about

13:30what's happening as well as health and

13:32welfare messaging in Forcy County. Our

13:36efforts are coordinated by the Forcy

13:38Amber Radio Club and Versythe County

13:41Oxom. It's impressive the types of

13:44communications that can be accomplished

13:46with no power, no phones, no internet,

13:50no TV or radio and impassible roads. I

13:53invited Harlon Portman who is actually

13:56the president of Fory County Oxcom and

13:59Mike Vernon, president of the Fory

14:01Amateur Radio Club, if they would come

14:04and share kind of the scores that they

14:06received during our that weekend back in

14:09June, as well as a really exciting grant

14:12that they have received that will

14:14dramatically enhance their ability to

14:16respond. I'd just like to also say

14:18they're all volunteers. So, thank you.

14:22All right. Thank you.

14:23>> Thank you, Dr. Mark. Appreciate it.

14:28>> Good afternoon, Madam Chairman, and

14:30congratulations.

14:31>> Thank you.

14:32>> And fellow commissioners, county

14:35manager, representative of Foresight uh

14:37County Emergency Management. For the

14:40record, again, my name is Harlon Coburn.

14:41I'm president of Foresight County Ox.

14:44Standing beside me is Mike Vernon, he's

14:46president of Foresight Amateur Radio

14:48Club.

14:50I'd like to thank you again for granting

14:52us this time to give you a quick

14:53briefing. Uh it might go a little over

14:56your your time, but I hope we can get it

14:58done

15:00on how we support the county, how we

15:03support our community

15:06and the close partnership that we have

15:08with Foresight Ammer radio club and with

15:12Foresight County Office of Emergency

15:14Management.

15:17We also want to talk about a

15:18groundbreaking $50,000 80 grant that we

15:22got recently for the Oxy Group which

15:26will strengthen our capabilities.

15:28We are a zerocost force multiplier.

15:33What we bring to the table or county

15:36oxone is an independent volunteer

15:40auxiliary nonprofit communications

15:43organization. We are dedicated to

15:45communications.

15:47We're not a department of the county as

15:49you know and we don't speak on behalf of

15:52the county,

15:54but we do serve the county with trained

15:58communicators.

15:59We serve as a partner with the emergency

16:02management office.

16:05We provide them with backup

16:07communications whenever needed. We

16:09interface whenever needed with our

16:12public safety partners, law enforcement,

16:14fire, and EMS.

16:16We're 100% volunteer and we comprise

16:18federally licensed amateur radio

16:20operators and others who work for us or

16:25with us either in the background or may

16:28have other amateur or other types of

16:30communications licenses.

16:34When we have ISIL, cyber attacks,

16:38Verizon goes out yesterday.

16:41If it goes out for a long time, we have

16:43the ability to still communicate. We

16:46have the ability to still put 911 in

16:48action if necessary.

16:52Our operational readiness is made

16:54possible through the symbiotic

16:56relationship we hold with Foresight

16:57County or with Foresight Ammer radio

16:59club.

17:01They back our mission 100% and they are

17:03our primary pipeline

17:06for personnel. We go to them because

17:08they have the ability to train basic

17:12amateur radio operators. We take the

17:14advanced training.

17:17They also have a repeater system.

17:19Repeaters are things we use to

17:20communicate long distances. Those belong

17:24to them and we have theirs that we get

17:27to use along with others which

17:29essentially gives us hundreds of

17:31thousands of dollars worth of equipment

17:34that we can use to support foresight

17:36county during a disaster or an emergency

17:39or even a planned event.

17:41It doesn't have to be a bad day.

17:44Hurricane showed exactly why it matters.

17:48Western North Carolina flood water

17:50waters landslides, power failures,

17:52everything they had out there, took out

17:54their communications.

17:56I did have the opportunity, I'm part of

17:58your foresight county incident

18:00management team as well, and I did have

18:02the opportunity to deploy under that hat

18:05out to western North Carolina. And I'll

18:07tell you, it was an eye openening

18:09experience.

18:12For several days, radio communications

18:14was the only means of passing

18:17information. The only way you could get

18:19it through. And in some locations,

18:21amateur radio was the only way that that

18:24communications occurred.

18:26It's not a theoretical exercise. In

18:29parts of those mountains, all you had

18:32was radio.

18:34Even here in the county, we can find

18:36ourselves in that exact same situation.

18:40can happen anywhere at any time. The

18:43evolution of our field operations well

18:45truly understand what this grant we just

18:47talked about dimension

18:50means is you look at how we operate

18:53today or have it operated. We operate

18:55out of popup canopy tents

18:58with generators out in the middle of the

19:00field somewhere with several thousand

19:02dollar worth of radio equipment sitting

19:04on the table in front of us hoping that

19:06the wind and the rain and everything

19:08else doesn't destroy that equipment. But

19:10we still maintain our capabilities.

19:14We also in the past have used personal

19:16equipment. My personal equipment is

19:18personal equipment others.

19:20Now, we're in the process of buying

19:22equipment for us. Our organizations buy

19:24organizational equipment so our people

19:26don't have to bring their own. It's hard

19:28to ask somebody to bring a $4,000 radio

19:31kit and then have it lost. It's our

19:33personal equipment. Not many people can

19:35take that type of a hit.

19:38Anyway, we deploy a kit and we recently

19:41received some items from the foresight

19:44county emergency management office along

19:46with the state of North Carolina

19:49emergency management that allowed us to

19:50build a portable kit that is able to be

19:54deployed anytime anywhere very quickly

19:59and we really appreciate them giving us

20:01that kind of capability. It carries HF,

20:04VHF, UHF, voice along with packtor data.

20:08Packtor allows us to send email allows

20:12us to send pictures, video, allows us to

20:15communicate with Department of Homeland

20:16Security,

20:18which we have the authority to do.

20:23However, even with that advanced kit,

20:25we're still deploying under a canopy

20:27tent. So, we knew something better was

20:28needed. So, we went and we sought out a

20:31grant

20:33and we received here in July a $50,000

20:39$80

20:40grant from the Amateur Radio Digital

20:43Communications Foundation out of

20:45California.

20:47This grant's going to permit us to build

20:49a first in its kind. Doesn't exist

20:53today,

20:54but we're going to build what is called

20:56an unified

20:58interoperable

21:00operations communications hub in a

21:03trailer.

21:05This unit will have every form of radio

21:08communications that there is today.

21:12We will have the civilian spectrum which

21:15is citizens band radio multi-use radio

21:18MURS general radio mobile service GMRS

21:23along with amateur HF VHF UHF

21:27along with public safety

21:30800 in state viper system capabilities

21:33in the trail.

21:35What this allows us to do is provide an

21:37interoperable bridge for that civilian

21:41that's out here making a call for help

21:43on the GMRS radio. The little tiny

21:45handheld they buy from Walmart

21:48and are calling for help

21:51during that trail. We're able to hear

21:53them, respond to them, and immediately

21:56trans retransmit that to public safety

21:59personnel in the field, helping to

22:02minimize that time of response.

22:08We work closely

22:10with Foresight Damage Radio Club. Why?

22:12They're a conduit force. They do an

22:14education.

22:17They have the testing

22:19personnel. They have the people trained

22:22to teach how to talk on amateurs radio.

22:26We take that basic communicator and we

22:28give them advanced training on how to

22:30handle emergencies and what to do in the

22:32field and how to properly communicate

22:36over the radio there. Why do we partner

22:38with the foresight amateur radio club?

22:41Well, I'm proud to tell you it's a

22:42member

22:44of that club. It is the oldest club

22:48in North Carolina.

22:52They were incorporated December 31st,

22:541930. Initially as a Winston Salem radio

22:57club, they serve our community as a

23:00501c3 nonprofit as well providing

23:06uh STEM skills, civic readiness, and

23:10outreach and testing system sessions for

23:12people in the field. members gathered on

23:15the second Monday of each uh month at

23:18the American Red Cross chapter on

23:20Coliseum Drive. That's tonight. I

23:23encourage you stop by 7:30 tonight at

23:27the Red Cross meeting. Stop by see our

23:30meeting and what we do and the people

23:32that we have.

23:38>> Mr. M, I'm almost done. Okay, I like

23:42that. I'm down to the last paragraph

23:43here.

23:47>> Mr. Chairman and commissioners,

23:49emergency management is often a race

23:51against time, isolation, and failed

23:54infrastructure.

23:56Hurricane Molen reminded us that

23:58communications disappear very, very

24:01quickly. And when they disappear,

24:04lives are at risk. People

24:07seriously are in jeopardy.

24:11with our grant with what we're providing

24:15and we're providing this as an asset

24:18through emergency management to the

24:20county from our nonprofit status as a

24:22non we're a nonprofit emergency response

24:25agency

24:27[clears throat] and we're offering this

24:28to the county at no charge.

24:31We don't charge for our services. We

24:33deploy when we're asked. were there for

24:35the community

24:37and we thank you for the leadership that

24:41you have given the county and your

24:43support of the county emergency services

24:45groups all of them public safety and

24:48emergency management

24:51and we invite you and we will do a

24:54demonstration in probably January is

24:56when we anticipate the trailer be in

24:58operation to come out and see it and we

25:01definitely demonstrate it for anybody

25:03body wants to see it. I thank you. And

25:06if you have any questions for Mike and

25:08I, we are open to it.

25:11>> Thank you. Are there questions?

25:15>> Commissioner Messi,

25:16>> one quick one. I remember um I used to

25:18get the invitations to the uh amateur

25:21radio competition weekend the last

25:24weekend in June. Do you still get extra

25:26points if an elected official shows up?

25:29>> Yes, sir.

25:32That is an annual event and I it happens

25:34typically the last weekend of June. If

25:38you want to put that on your calendar

25:40now and I invite you to come out and

25:43join us. We start at 2:00 in the

25:45afternoon and run 24 hours till 2:00 on

25:48Sunday.

25:50>> Thanks.

25:51>> We thank you for the great job that you

25:53are doing. Go ahead. I'm sorry, sir.

25:55>> We'll also feed you. There's a meal if

25:57you come out at dinner time. We'll let

25:59you eat. Oh my goodness. Okay. Thank you

26:02all. We appreciate it and

26:03congratulations on your grant.

26:06>> Thank you.

26:07>> Thank you for what you're doing for

26:08county.

26:09>> Thank you. It's our pleasure.

26:11>> Thank you.

26:13[applause]

26:17I will now turn the agenda over to our

26:19county manager.

26:22>> Thank you, Madam Chair, and good

26:24afternoon, commissioners, staff, and

26:25guests. Agenda item number one is a

26:27public hearing on an ordinance amendment

26:29proposed by planning and development

26:31services staff to modify chapters 2,

26:33three, and four of the unified

26:34development ordinances to comply with

26:36North Carolina House Bill 926. Chris

26:39Murphy, our planning director, will

26:40bring this item.

26:44>> I'm locked out.

27:05Good afternoon. This is the first of two

27:08text amendments that I will be briefing.

27:10This is a UDOCCC34

27:12which is to modify chapters 2 3 and four

27:14of the unified development ordinance by

27:17removing residual limits for withdrawn

27:20or denied applications

27:22modifying provisions for development

27:24request uh with split jurisdictions and

27:28clarifying vested rights compliance uh

27:30with North Carolina House Bill 926. All

27:33of this, all these changes are part of

27:36that which was adopted back in October

27:39of 2025.

27:41Uh it was known as regulatory reform act

27:442025 which was a broadly crafted bill

27:46limiting government regulation on very

27:48topics. Only two sections uh of that

27:51bill address local planning and

27:53development regulations. Section 11

27:56prohibits waiting periods for refiling

27:58development applications in the event of

28:00a withdrawal or denial. And again, um,

28:03this was adopted in October of 2025 and

28:05has been in effect since then. We are

28:07just now getting around to actually

28:09changing the ordinance related to these

28:11provisions. Uh, the second section uh,

28:14of that bill that applies section 29,

28:17which clarifies vested rights for

28:19previously approved development um, and

28:22also amends standards for development

28:24petitions with split jurisdictions.

28:29uh planning development services staff

28:30along with the city and county

28:31attorney's offices reviewed the UDO and

28:34determined the following sections would

28:35need to be modified. UDO section 2.2.27

28:402.7.2.z

28:44is amended to clarify provisions uh

28:47regarding vested rights and special use

28:48permits as outlined in the bill. Uh

28:51section 3.2.19A15 2.19A15

28:54is deleted and marked as reserved. And

28:57this is to comply with the statutory

28:59prohibition on waiting periods for

29:00residdles.

29:02And then section 4.3.2.D

29:05is changed to mirror the split

29:07jurisdiction provisions in the bill.

29:10Uh the aforementioned changes are

29:12necessary to ensure the UEO does comply

29:14with those uh with that statutory

29:16language as outlined in House Bill 926.

29:19Uh this was heard by the planning board

29:20at the March 12, 2026 public hearing.

29:23There were no speakers in opposition and

29:25following the public hearing, the

29:26planning board did unanimously recommend

29:28approval of this. And with that, I stand

29:31ready to answer any questions.

29:32>> Are there questions approved?

29:36briefly

29:38very briefly um the um the prohibition

29:43on on waiting periods uh I don't

29:45remember hearing any public discussion

29:48of that at the time the uh

29:52regulatory reform act which is an annual

29:55recurring event um was uh adopted. Was

30:00there any notice opportunity for us to

30:03discuss that with the members of the

30:05public?

30:06>> I can't speak to that. I'm not 100% sure

30:09what their process is.

30:12>> Were you aware of this before it was

30:14enacted?

30:15>> No.

30:18>> Thank you.

30:20>> Other questions?

30:22>> Thank you, Chris.

30:24>> Agenda item number two is Chris's as

30:25well. It's a public hearing on an

30:27ordinance amendment proposed by erosion

30:29control and storm water staff to modify

30:31section 8.1.1E1

30:34of the UDO as required by the National

30:36Flood Insurance Program.

30:41>> Good afternoon again. I guess I didn't

30:42walk away. Um I'm actually here on

30:46behalf of erosion control and storm

30:48water staff. Keith Huff was actually

30:50here earlier, but he and I are dividing

30:52and conquering. He was here to answer

30:54questions. This item is also going to

30:56community development housing general

30:57government committee of the city council

30:59this afternoon. So he is going to be at

31:01that meeting. I'm going to be here. Uh

31:03this is something that came to us from

31:05the state. Um there were changes to the

31:09firm panels. Um and this change is

31:14essentially changing the date in our UDO

31:15from the date that's in there currently,

31:17which I believe is like May of 2009 to

31:19June 10th of 2026.

31:22Um it it updates that effective date.

31:25There were some changes along the

31:26Guilford and Stokes County lines to nine

31:28panels. I believe six along the Guilford

31:30County line and three along the Stokes

31:31County line. Um this basically

31:34acknowledges that in the ordinance with

31:37the most affected date of the firm

31:38panels that are within Forite County. If

31:41we don't do this, it doesn't just affect

31:43those nine panels. It affects everyone's

31:45flood insurance. Uh so if we don't adopt

31:48this, it's my understanding that folks

31:50flood insurance could be in jeopardy.

31:52We're kind of under a deadline to get

31:54this done. Uh this is the I'm sorry I

31:58believe the seven panels along the

31:59Guilford County line and two along the S

32:01county line. The area that is circled in

32:03red are the panels that have changed.

32:05But again, this changes the the firm

32:08panel date in our ordinance to that June

32:11of 2026 date which then protects

32:14everyone's flood insurance within

32:17Precise County. I would ask you not to

32:19ask me any technical questions because

32:21I'm not the expert on that. uh Keith

32:23Huff was here to handle that part, but

32:25again he's back at the the city now. Um

32:28but essentially the change is updating

32:30the effective date for January 2nd, 2009

32:32to June 10th of 2026. And then we added

32:35a provision to acknowledge future map

32:38changes to perm panels. So hopefully we

32:39won't be under this deadline under this

32:42quick I mean literally we didn't find

32:44out about this until sometime towards

32:46the end of June and it needed to be done

32:49by the middle of August. So that is why

32:52this was kind of on a quick timeline

32:53going to the city and county at the same

32:56time. Uh this has been reviewed by both

32:58the city attorney staff and county

33:00attorney staff um and utility staff and

33:04etc. So, uh, basically they form the

33:07changes when necessary to ensure that

33:08our UA complies with federal regulations

33:11and, um, this was heard by the planning

33:15board on June 9th and PL did recommend

33:18approval of this request.

33:20>> So, that can answer any questions of

33:23procedural things. I'm hoping that Keith

33:26will be here. Keith or Andy Allen one

33:28will be here on Thursday night if there

33:30are any technical questions about

33:33>> there are any questions.

33:36>> Excellent.

33:38>> Thank you.

33:39Agenda item number three is a public

33:41hearing concerning the approval of the

33:42execution and delivery of the first

33:44contract amendment in the projects

33:46financed in a resolution of the board

33:48approving an amendment to an installment

33:50financing contract and delivery thereof

33:52and providing for certain other related

33:54matters. Lee Plunkett, our deputy CFO,

33:56will brief this item.

33:58>> Good afternoon, commissioners. On July

34:0030th, the board approved a resolution

34:02authorizing the county for to proceed

34:05with the interim financing of capital

34:08improvements to county facilities not to

34:10exceed 26,850,000.

34:13In the same resolution, the board called

34:15for a public hearing to take place this

34:17Thursday concerning the approval of the

34:20execution and delivery of the first

34:22contract amendment in a project it

34:25finances. As a reminder, these projects

34:27include but are not limited to

34:30improvements to public safety, EMS and

34:32fire, detention, administrative

34:35warehouse, and other governmental

34:36facilities. These were projects

34:39contemplated and approved in the budget

34:41ordinance related to the fiscal year 27

34:43CIP. Uh the resolution um that was

34:47approved authorized the county to to

34:49begin u the amendment process, which is

34:52called the first contract amendment. uh

34:55and amends a contract from 2021 and that

34:58was the contract that funded the

35:00courthouse colladium and airport

35:03projects. So that use the courthouse as

35:06collateral for the financing. And since

35:08this is an amendment of that contract,

35:10we're going to continue to use the

35:11courthouse as collateral. And the public

35:14hearing will allow interested parties to

35:16present comments on the financing.

35:19And then as regards to the actual

35:22resolution, um it's the last action that

35:25you all as a board will have to take to

35:27fully execute all the documentation for

35:29the financing. It's the 2026 limited

35:32obligation bond and it's an interim

35:35structure. Um, and it authorizes several

35:38um things and there's also current

35:40versions of all the documents that it

35:42will authorize in your packet. Uh, so

35:45this the things it will do. First, the

35:47selects PNC bank as the purchaser that

35:50will provide the financing. Uh, uh,

35:53financial advisor first tryon did an RMT

35:56and they were the winning bank the

35:57lowcost option. Um and it'll be a draw

36:00down structure. So as expenditures are

36:03incurred, we will draw down the

36:04reimbursements as needed and uh pay

36:08interest on those drawn funds until

36:10we'll go out to market for the permanent

36:12financing and do a fixed rate limited

36:15obligation bond.

36:17Uh it also approves the financing of the

36:19capital projects um by approving and

36:22authorizing the execution of the first

36:24amendment which we just talked about and

36:26will be the subject of the public

36:27hearing. Um and then it also goes in and

36:31approves the form and content of the

36:33first supplement um in essence to the

36:36indenture of trust. So again this was

36:38part of the 2021 logs some documents

36:41that we have to do which name is Bank of

36:43New York known as a trustee for the the

36:45funds and so we will be using Bank of

36:47New York known again um for these uh as

36:51a trustee so that we'll draw down funds

36:53pay debt service and other functions

36:55through Bank of New York.

36:57Uh it also approves and authorizes the

37:00bond purchase agreement with DNC bank in

37:02the county and that agreement details

37:05all the terms of the financing. And

37:08finally allows for authorized officers

37:10of the county and their design to

37:12execute the financing and authorized

37:14officers would be the county manager,

37:15CFO, deputy CFO and the clerk.

37:20>> Happy to answer any questions.

37:21>> Questions.

37:23So this includes underwriting

37:27$350,000 for courthouse improvements in

37:30the coming year. Correct.

37:31>> Yes.

37:31>> Okay.

37:34>> Thank you so much.

37:37>> Agenda item number four is a resolution

37:39commending the International Black

37:40Theater Festival on the successful

37:42conclusion of its 37th anniversary

37:44festival. Um, Chair Wizenhan wanted to

37:47make sure that we thanked the festival

37:49for their um, economic impact um, and

37:53the success and for choosing for site

37:54county. And so [clears throat] we have a

37:56resolution and members of um, the

37:58festival will be here on Thursday.

38:01Agenda item number five is a resolution

38:03approving legislative goals and

38:04submission of such goals to the North

38:06Carolina Association of County

38:07Commissioners for consideration at its

38:09legislative goals conference. Gordon

38:11Watkins, our county attorney, will read

38:12this item.

38:14Good afternoon. Um, Madame Chair, Mr.

38:17Vice Chair, members of the commission.

38:19Um, you have seen uh all of these goals

38:22before state one, and I'll I'll go over

38:25those. Um, as you know, every other

38:28year, the North Carolina Association of

38:30County Commissioners holds a legislative

38:32goals conference in Raleigh. That is to

38:35get ready for the long session, which is

38:38in typically in January of odd years. So

38:40January 2027 will be when the general

38:44assembly will come back and they'll

38:45start working on bianial budget which in

38:48theory covers 27 and 28. And so that's

38:51why these are the proposed 2027 28

38:55legislative goals. These are statewide

38:58goals not just for for county. And so I

39:01will briefly go over these. These are

39:04suggestions. You can um you can toss

39:07them or add new ones. But um we we need

39:11because of the deadline which is in less

39:13than two which it's about two weeks we

39:16need the board on Thursday to approve

39:17what goals you want to go forward with

39:20and then I will submit those to the

39:21NCACCC.

39:24So um and and these are goals that we

39:26have uh you as a board have endorsed in

39:28the past almost all of these. The first

39:31one um deals with property taxes as you

39:34know there's a constitutional amendment

39:37which will somehow we don't know how but

39:40if it's passed it will somehow limit the

39:42levy of property taxes by local

39:44governments. So this would just ask that

39:48um whatever that limit is if it comes

39:51into being that it considers um the

39:54demands on counties um unfunded

39:57mandates, population growth, inflation

40:00and also addressing situations of

40:03emergency. So you know if there were a

40:05horrible thing that happened here, we

40:07wouldn't want to be constrained um too

40:10much by property tax. But so that's the

40:12first one. The second one relates to the

40:15issue of um affordable housing in and

40:18the Blige case we talked about before

40:21where some folks are going beyond what

40:25the court said in that and they're

40:26setting up uh what I would call strong

40:29men um nonprofits that are that are not

40:32really doing anything and using that to

40:36take for-profit ventures and getting an

40:40exemption. So, our our goal is to um

40:43support the passage of House Bill 1042,

40:46which um we worked on, and it passed the

40:49North Carolina House unanimously, but it

40:51was never taken up by the Senate, which

40:53would limit the exemption to true

40:56nonprofits who are really trying to

40:59build affordable housing.

41:02The um third one uh is is an issue we've

41:06addressed many times also and that's

41:08what happened a couple years ago when

41:09without any notice the general assembly

41:12banned downzoning and they defined it so

41:15broadly that that we have a very hard

41:18time changing any zoning definitions any

41:21zoning restrictions setbacks even if it

41:24relates to health or safety issues. And

41:27so, um, we've been pushing for that to

41:30be, um, revised for a number of years

41:33along with the, um,

41:36the Association [clears throat] County

41:38Commissioners. Uh, we we thought we were

41:40getting there. We had one that was

41:41passed by one house and, um, it was, it

41:44was a victim of what's called gut and

41:47replace. And so, you get a bill, you

41:49take out everything in the bill, and you

41:51replace it with

41:53wakeboarding.

41:55And I wish that were a joke, but anyhow,

41:57it was anyhow. So, so, so that has not

41:59passed yet.

42:01The um fourth one um was was brought to

42:04our attention by um uh deputy manager uh

42:07Denise Price, and that is to a I'm

42:10sorry, I'm I'm jumping the gun. That's a

42:12later one. But um four, five, and six

42:15relate to um un unfunded mandates. So

42:19the fourth one, uh, the state had a cap

42:22on special assistance for in inhome and

42:24facility based cash supplements. They

42:26lifted that cap and and that was

42:28something the county paid a portion of.

42:30So when they lifted the cap, the county

42:32had to pay a lot more money and so this

42:34would seek to receive more funding for

42:37that. Um, the fifth and sixth you're

42:40you're very familiar with. They both

42:41came from um the from Congress's HR1

42:46bill in 2025.

42:48Five relates to SNAP, which um changed

42:52the county share of administration cost

42:54from 50% to 75%. So obviously that's

42:57been a lot more money that we're having

42:59to handle ourselves.

43:01And six is relating to um

43:06to Medicaid.

43:08Um, and and I'm sorry, going back to

43:10five, part of it was the administration

43:13and the second part for SNAP is is the

43:15error rate. And so if there's an error

43:17rate, what the general assembly has said

43:20is that the counties are going to have

43:21to take care of that. All counties will

43:24have to pay a certain amount and then

43:25based on your error rate, you you would

43:28have to pay more. And so that that could

43:31be a substantial amount of money for the

43:33counties.

43:35I'm sorry. Going back to six is Medicaid

43:37and and that was um we now have to check

43:41eligibility every six months instead of

43:42every year and they're expanded work

43:45requirements which the county is

43:46required to enforce. So that again is is

43:49going to be additional expense for the

43:51county.

43:53Moving on to seven is um a request to

43:57increase innovation waiver slots. For

43:59many many years, there's been um too few

44:02of those too too few slots for ID folks

44:06um intellectual and developmental

44:08disabilities. And so the weight list can

44:11be decades for those. And so that is

44:14something we've been pushing for for a

44:15number of years.

44:17The eighth one is the one I jumped the

44:19gun on a little bit. That is the the one

44:21where the North Carolina regulations

44:25regarding uh title 4E requirements which

44:28relates to um health relates to mental

44:31health residential treatment facilities

44:33serving children in foster care. The

44:35North Carolina requirements don't line

44:36up with the federal requirements which

44:38limits the amount of money that we can

44:40draw down for that. So our ask there

44:43would be that they be brought North

44:44Carolina be brought into line with what

44:46the federal requirements are. And the

44:49ninth ninth one is the one that I've had

44:51since I spoke to you last, but it's one

44:53that we have brought up before, and that

44:56is uh to provide funding for

44:58recreational trails and and

44:59[clears throat] to support legislation

45:01to amend to North Carolina statutes,

45:03which would allow use of the strategic

45:06transportation investments act SDI funds

45:09for independent bicycle and pedestrian

45:12pedestrian improvements. So, they're not

45:14necessarily they don't have to be tied

45:15to new auto roads. So th those are the

45:20state goals and that is the main focus

45:23of the NCACC

45:25legislative goals conference but they

45:27also do um also endorse uh federal goals

45:31and so the first one is new and that's

45:35um based on the um OM trying to

45:39[clears throat] change uniform guidance

45:41to give um complete [clears throat]

45:44discretion to the president to um

45:50to choose, suspend or terminate any

45:53grants with no reason whatsoever. And so

45:56our ask there would just be that we have

45:58clear direction and that we have some

46:00assurance that if we're awarded a grant

46:02that that grant would be honored by the

46:04federal government and and that's the

46:05way it's been. Um the second one is one

46:08that we we've pushed for a number of

46:10years and that would be to you know

46:13address um issues of mental illness in

46:15county jails and um address um Medicaid

46:21um and federal benefits for um inmates

46:25who have not been convicted, sentenced

46:26or incarcerated. So as as I'm sure you

46:29all know when you go into jail you lose

46:31Medicaid. And so for us [clears throat]

46:33it wasn't as huge a problem because not

46:35as many people received Medicaid with

46:37Medicaid expansion. More people do now.

46:40And so it's um it's a problem. When

46:43people go to jail, they lose their

46:45benefits. County has to pay for health

46:48care. And also when they released from

46:50jail, it can be a lengthy process to get

46:52their benefits back.

46:54And the final one is is a long-standing

46:56one we've had and that is to oppose um

46:58unfunded mandates and changes in

47:00eligibility for federal programs that

47:02shift costs to counties. So th those are

47:05the u proposed goals. Um I'm happy to

47:09let you all discuss that or answer any

47:11questions that you have.

47:13>> Are there questions or discussion?

47:16this House Bill 1042. I thought that

47:19practice was illegal or at least

47:23actionable and it had been handled to

47:26your knowledge. Is there any such

47:28operation like that here in this county

47:30at this time?

47:32So, um there are many people who are

47:34trying. So, um, we are appealing several

47:38of those and and so that will ultimately

47:40have a hearing before the property tax

47:42commission, but there's been no there's

47:44been no, um, court that's taken up the

47:46issue yet on on those particular issues.

47:50But it it is still it is still active

47:52and people are still trying and and as

47:54I've said before, counties like Wake

47:56County are losing [clears throat] $3

47:58million a year and and growing every

48:00year because they they granted those

48:03exemptions without really delving into

48:05it as as we have.

48:06>> So it's passed the board of DNR and it's

48:08in the state commission now.

48:11>> It is the board of BNR. Our board of BNR

48:14upheld our denial, but it's it's before

48:18the property tax commission. answer.

48:21>> Thank you,

48:22>> Commissioner B.

48:24>> Thank you. Just one quick suggestion um

48:27with regard to the several instances of

48:31unfunded mandates being pushed down by

48:34the state uh and then

48:38uh North Carolina Bill one discussing

48:41the uh complications of capital on

48:44property taxes. [clears throat]

48:45Um,

48:49our our lobbyists certainly ought to

48:52note to our legislative delegation that

48:55uh our second largest category of

48:59funding with the county is the sheriff's

49:01department and one of the largest uh

49:04categories of funding for city and Salem

49:07and other municipalities with uh police

49:10departments uh are the police

49:12departments. So, um, to the extent that

49:14they're increasing our unfunded mandates

49:16while cutting our revenues, they are

49:18defunding the police.

49:23>> I I won't touch that, but I I will say

49:25that the manager and the and is working

49:27with the communications office to roll

49:29out clear communication and videos and

49:33whatnot about what counties do. Um, so

49:36so we are we are addressing those

49:38issues. Thank you.

49:42Other questions?

49:44>> Thank you.

49:48>> Agenda item number six is approval of

49:49minutes for the meeting of July 30th and

49:51those will be emailed out to you soon.

49:55>> The next agenda items though, next four

49:57agenda items are quantum mess and I did

49:59before I called them up just want to

50:01mention to the board as we've been

50:02having more of these items. It's

50:04prompted a broader conversation with the

50:06county attorney and CFO and myself

50:08because I know a lot of these you have

50:10not historically seen. And so my

50:12question has been kind of regarding

50:14approval authority when the board action

50:16is actually required versus you've

50:18already delegated a certain amount of

50:20authority to the to the manager. Um and

50:22so I just wanted you to know we're

50:24working through those because we've done

50:26an updated procurement policy. I think

50:28we need an additional clarification in

50:29the policy that just deals with

50:31exceptions again up to my authority

50:33limit not anything beyond. Um so we are

50:36working on that and the procurement

50:38policy is something that you all have

50:40delegated the ability for me to make

50:42those changes. Um and of course we are

50:44looking into just process improvements

50:46now that we have more visibility on the

50:48quantum marrowits. Um, and so I say all

50:50that to say, some we'll be able to

50:52handle administratively within the um,

50:54authority you've already delegated to

50:56me, and some of them you will see

50:58because it really is within your

51:00authority. But just know we're working

51:01on all things quantum narrow. Um, but

51:05with that said, we do have four of them

51:07on today's agenda as we're working to

51:08close out last fiscal year. Um, the

51:11first one is agenda item number seven.

51:13It's a resolution authorizing Quantum

51:15with payment to Aramark Correctional

51:17Services LLC. Major Van Love Stanley

51:20from the Sheriff's Office will read this

51:21item.

51:22>> Good afternoon, uh, Chairman Wizen Hut,

51:24Vice Chair Wilson, board of

51:25commissioners. Again, congratulations,

51:27Chairman Wizen Hut, and Vice Chair

51:29Wilson. Um, so item number seven there,

51:31it's for Airore Correctional Services.

51:33is it provides the required food service

51:35for inmates at law enforcement detention

51:36center as well as the meals for the

51:38sheriff's office staff who work in the

51:40detention center uh and the contracted

51:42security personnel who are required to

51:43main to remain on site. Previous

51:45contract ran from July 1 of 23 through

51:47June 30th through 26 and was amended

51:50three times during the three-year term

51:52due to increased inmate populations uh

51:54and rising meal cost. In June, our

51:56projections indicated that we would have

51:58uh we would not have sufficient funds

52:00remaining to cover the fiscal year 2026

52:02cost. Since we knew board approval would

52:04be required for either a fourth contract

52:06amendment or upon a merit wet payment,

52:08we chose to wait until all invoices were

52:10in um and then we received those so we

52:12could just determine the exact amount

52:14that was needed. After receiving those

52:16invoices, the remaining amount due is

52:17$39,22311.

52:20Approval was requested for a quantum

52:22payment of $39,22311

52:25to cover the food services provided for

52:27fiscal year 2026.

52:30and I'll be happy to answer any

52:31questions.

52:31>> Questions.

52:33>> The question that I had um is relative

52:35to the current population.

52:39>> So this morning we were at 967. Uh as

52:42y'all know our max capacity is,3

52:45[clears throat]

52:48>> You're welcome.

52:51>> Other questions.

52:53>> Thank you.

52:54>> You're welcome.

52:55>> The next agenda item is Vans as well. as

52:57well as a resolution authorizing quantum

52:58mirror with payment to NMS labs inc.

53:02>> So in June 2026, the precide county

53:04sheriff's office needed specialized THC

53:06testing to support requests from the

53:08district attorney's office. Unlike

53:10standard testing, which determines

53:12whether a sample is above or below a

53:14legal threshold, this testing provided

53:16specific THC percentages needed for

53:18prosecution on a case. NMS Labs, Inc.

53:21was used to perform the testing based on

53:23its prior experience providing these

53:25services. However, no contract or

53:27purchase order was in place at the time.

53:28Uh the services were provided because

53:30these services are rarely needed and the

53:32cost can fluctuate based on u the

53:35testing requirements that we are needed.

53:37The total cost was $732. Board approval

53:40was requested to authorize query payment

53:42to NMS Labs Inc. for the services

53:45provided. I'll be happy to answer any

53:46questions.

53:47>> Question.

53:48>> Yes. Um, can you tell us what uh is

53:51being done to keep this from coming up

53:54on a repeated basis in quantum errors?

53:57>> Well, the the the quantum error. So,

53:59like this here, this is something that's

54:00very unusual. This case was we needed

54:02like an exact number on the THC or the

54:04DA's officers requesting that for this

54:06case prosecution. That's not something

54:08that we normally need. Usually, it's

54:10just it's above or below a level. Um, so

54:13that's what this was. And so, but these

54:15quantum marriage payments, it's just

54:17trying to clear up year end stuff. Um,

54:20and it just Yeah.

54:21>> Can can you summarize for us why you

54:24needed the precise level rather than an

54:26overrun in these cases without details

54:29of the case?

54:30>> Yeah, this one I'm not I'm not familiar

54:32with the specific case. Um, but you

54:35know, when the district attorney's

54:36office requests that they need

54:38additional evidence at a specific level,

54:41that's what caused this one to go up to

54:43the this particular lab because we

54:45needed that exact amount.

54:47>> Can I ask our our

54:50Yeah.

54:50>> with y'all about how we can um have this

54:54uh kind of request addressed on a

54:57ongoing basis. If it happened in three

55:00cases this year, it's surely

55:04>> likely to come up again cases.

55:07>> One of one of the things we're working

55:08with all all the departments that this

55:10is affecting is if it is something that

55:13they potentially may do, we can enter

55:16into a a contract um proactively kind of

55:19based on services that are rendered. So,

55:22we're kind of working through what what

55:24that looks like. This I would suggest

55:26this is one that is likely to keep

55:29coming up if we came up with taxes.

55:31>> Yes, sir.

55:33>> Um agenda item number nine is a

55:35resolution authorizing quantum payment

55:37to Star Chase LLC.

55:39>> So on this one here in December 2024,

55:41the sheriff's office entered into an

55:42agreement with Star Chase LLC for 10

55:44vehicle mounted launcher systems and the

55:46associated tracking subscription

55:48services using asset forfeiture funds.

55:50The dream expired on November 30th,

55:522025, but unfortunately the expiration

55:55was not identified till the end of

55:56February when we started contacting them

55:58about the renewal of the subscription

56:00for fiscal year 2027. Starchase agreed

56:03to continue providing the tracking

56:05subscription services from February 26

56:07through June 30th of 2026 with the

56:10prorated cost originally intended to be

56:12included in this year's the fiscal year

56:142027 budget. Uh so the quote was for the

56:17the catchup and this current fiscal

56:19year. The county subsequently directed

56:21us to establish a new agreement

56:23effective July 1 and obtain a separate

56:25invoice for that sort of catchup in 2026

56:28which requires your approval for the

56:30quantum payment. The total cost of these

56:32services was $6,82.80

56:35which include uh which was included in

56:37the fiscal year 2027 asset forfeite fund

56:40appropriation request. So board approval

56:42is requested for a quantum merit payment

56:44of $6,82.80

56:46to Star Chase for the services provided.

56:48I'll be happy to try to answer some

56:50questions.

56:51>> Questions?

56:52>> I spoke to the sheriff last week about

56:54Star Chase to inquire about the success

56:56and he was giving me some of the, you

56:59know, anecdotal stories about how well

57:01that had worked, you know, and hopefully

57:03that really reduces, you know, the risk

57:06of serious injury or death on the

57:08highway.

57:09>> Yes, sir. Um but to pick up on what

57:12Commissioner Bessie said earlier, I

57:14think we approved at the last meeting

57:15five quantum error petitions. We have

57:18five more it appears. Yes, sir. In front

57:20of us again. I think most of the

57:23situations that were mentioned I think I

57:25understand them. I wish we could

57:27anticipate them better

57:29>> than we do

57:31but there's one left here and I have to

57:33question it but none where matters

57:37you've discussed are concerned. Thank

57:38you. It's we've got to work with county

57:40finance and the county manager office to

57:42make sure we try to correct this for

57:43next year.

57:44>> I mean there 43 million people

57:45apparently are using marijuana and I'm

57:47sitting here like Commissioner Bessie

57:49and I'm wondering well why do we have to

57:51do the THC test in these specific cases?

57:54>> Yes sir.

57:56>> Okay.

57:57>> Other questions?

58:00>> Thank you.

58:00>> You're welcome. Thanks.

58:01>> Thank you. Agenda item number 10 is a

58:03resolution authorizing quantum mirror

58:05with payment to Charter Communications

58:07LLC, which is Spectrum for County

58:09Internet Services. Michaela Westbrook,

58:11our from our MIS department, will brie.

58:14>> Good afternoon. This item um seeks to

58:16issue a qual marrow payment to charter

58:19communications in the amount totaling

58:21$51,8262

58:25for services that were provided for the

58:27months of April, May, and June outside

58:29of a contract.

58:31I can take any questions.

58:34>> And that was because of what?

58:36>> Being outside of a contract, not having

58:38a contract issue with Spectrum.

58:40>> Yes, ma'am. Why did they run past the

58:42date? Charter Spectrum is not starting

58:44for capital.

58:46>> Um, so I would say it's on our part not

58:49having that contract established

58:52um once that procurement policy went

58:53into place. So that's something we are

58:55correcting and working with Spectum to

58:57get that contract into place.

59:00And just to clarify, previous prior to

59:02the procurement policy, our internet

59:05services, this is really wheatsy, was

59:08entered under a purchase order. And so

59:10we've done purchase orders for those.

59:12Under the new policy, we really need a

59:14service contract for internet services

59:16because internet services really is has

59:19competition. Whereas like utilities like

59:22Duke and um uh Pedmont Gas and those

59:26types of things are utilities that can

59:28be placed under a purchase order and

59:29there's no competition. Very weedsy.

59:32They really needed to go back when we

59:33did the procurement policy and actually

59:35get a contract in place. Did not. We

59:37didn't realize it until after the fiscal

59:39year ended. Then once the fiscal year

59:41ended, it almost kind of we tied our own

59:43hands into being able to pay this bill

59:46and clearly we need to make sure we have

59:48internet. Um so we need to pay it ASAP

59:50because they're giving us a little bit

59:51of grace at the moment.

59:55>> May I ask is this basically the whole

59:57charge to Spectre for internet services

59:59they provided three months?

1:00:01>> It's it's just for those three months of

1:00:03service.

1:00:04>> Short that three months of service.

1:00:06>> Yeah. Those gone up in our house.

1:00:11Yes.

1:00:11>> Other questions?

1:00:13>> Thank you.

1:00:14>> Thank you.

1:00:16>> Agenda item number 11 is a resolution

1:00:18authorizing submission of the fiscal

1:00:19year 27 home and community care block

1:00:21grant county funding plan for older

1:00:23adults and authorizing execution of

1:00:25necessary documents to submit the plan

1:00:26for state approval. Gwolf, our budget

1:00:28director, will bring this item.

1:00:30>> Good afternoon, commissioners. This item

1:00:32is is an item that we bring to you uh

1:00:34every year. It's necessary to approve

1:00:36the FY27 home and community care block

1:00:38grant funding plan for older adults. Uh

1:00:42this has to be submitted to the North

1:00:44Department of Health and Human Services

1:00:46Division of Aging and Adult Services.

1:00:48The funding plan is attached at the end

1:00:50of your agenda item there. Um shows

1:00:53allocations between DSS, the Shepherd

1:00:55Centers, uh senior services and support

1:00:58systems of for county transportation.

1:01:01And happy to try to answer any questions

1:01:03you might have.

1:01:06question.

1:01:10Thank you.

1:01:11>> Agenda item number 12 is an amendment to

1:01:13the fiscical year 27 budget ordinance to

1:01:15appropriate revenue from juvenile crime

1:01:16prevention council grantees to reimburse

1:01:19unspent funds for fiscal year

1:01:20[clears throat] 25 to the North Carolina

1:01:22Department of Public Safety. Wol Fight,

1:01:24our budget analyst will read this item.

1:01:26>> Thank you. Good afternoon,

1:01:27commissioners. recite county receives

1:01:29pass through dollars from the North

1:01:30Carolina Department of Public Safety for

1:01:32the Juvenile Crime Prevention Council to

1:01:34allocate various organizations through a

1:01:36request for proposal process in an

1:01:38effort to reduce and prevent juvenile

1:01:40crime. During fiscal year 2425, the

1:01:43county received $940,842

1:01:46which was allocated to 12 programs.

1:01:49These funded organizations spend 100% of

1:01:51their funds except for the following.

1:01:53Family services, trauma assessment,

1:01:55counseling services, $1,149.

1:01:58The YW.CA's team court $11,115

1:02:03and their work and earn it program

1:02:05$13,384

1:02:07and youth collaborative projects

1:02:09intensive $3,72.34.

1:02:14All refunds total $29,420.34.

1:02:20As these funds are passed through, the

1:02:22state disperses this money to the county

1:02:24to immediately pass on to these

1:02:26organizations. At the end of the fiscal

1:02:27year, a final accounting is performed

1:02:30and funds that are unspent are to be

1:02:32returned to the state. The county has

1:02:34received these funds from these vendors

1:02:36and this action is necessary to

1:02:38appropriate these funds in order to

1:02:40reimburse the North Carolina Department

1:02:42of Public [clears throat] Safety.

1:02:44Does that answer any questions?

1:02:47>> I realize it's only about 3% but is

1:02:49there any reason why the funds that we

1:02:52have to return were not allocated to use

1:02:55>> the the to my understanding it would

1:02:57have been lack of participants to to

1:03:00fund from the programs.

1:03:02What what I can say is just being on

1:03:04juvenile crime prevention council

1:03:06previously for a lot of these programs a

1:03:08lot of their um accounting is based on

1:03:12estimates and because some of them

1:03:13especially project X um is small they're

1:03:17really trying to deci figure out like

1:03:19how many participants they're going to

1:03:20have what their expenses are going to be

1:03:22and so in some instances it's very hard

1:03:24to get to zero they don't want to be

1:03:26over they certainly don't want to be

1:03:28under but it's also very challenging to

1:03:30get to a zero baseline Um but the state

1:03:32is responsible for doing the allocation.

1:03:35They are very behind which is why they

1:03:37are doing it for FY25. Um and I would

1:03:39assume we'll get FY26 probably in the

1:03:42coming months.

1:03:45I need to get back on that um committee

1:03:48because I want to know um what they're

1:03:51doing in terms of like the team working.

1:03:54There's too many children out here in

1:03:56this community on the street that need

1:03:58to be working and having things to do.

1:04:01>> There there is still a team court um

1:04:04program. Um will kind of do the

1:04:06administrative. I think they just

1:04:08transitioned from the YW.CA to parenting

1:04:11path. Um why WCA was struggling a little

1:04:14bit with managing the program and so

1:04:16parenting path is starting to to do

1:04:18that. But they still even prior had a um

1:04:20team court um actually former judge

1:04:22Hartzville is very very involved in

1:04:24that. Um so yes so we can make sure you

1:04:27get the um meeting schedule. Yes. Thank

1:04:31you.

1:04:34>> Thank you.

1:04:35>> Thank you. Well, agenda item number 13

1:04:37is as well. balance an amendment to the

1:04:39fiscal year 27 budget ordinance to

1:04:41appropriate reserve fund balance from

1:04:42the register of deeds automation fund

1:04:44and a resolution authorizing execution

1:04:46of an agreement with VRC Companies LLC.

1:04:50>> Thank you. The register of deeds is

1:04:52requesting the appropriation of an

1:04:53additional $50,000 from the automation

1:04:55fund to increase the not to exceed

1:04:57amount of a contract with VRC Companies

1:04:59LLC. BRC provides microraphic supplies

1:05:03and services for the record of deeds to

1:05:05process, convert, and duplicate public

1:05:07records from a digital image format to

1:05:09microfilm for archiving and retrieval.

1:05:12This item is necessary to appropriate

1:05:15the $50,000 into the fiscal year 2027

1:05:18budget ordinance.

1:05:20I'll be happy to answer any questions.

1:05:22>> Questions?

1:05:25>> Thank you.

1:05:26>> Thank you.

1:05:27>> Agenda item number 14 is a resolution

1:05:29authorizing the purchase of N influenza

1:05:31vaccines by the department of public

1:05:32health. Camila Pleasants, our assistant

1:05:34public health director, will brief this.

1:05:39>> Thank you.

1:05:40>> Good afternoon, Commissioner. This

1:05:42resolution willide county department of

1:05:44public health to purchase non-influenza

1:05:46vaccines from various providers under

1:05:49the impact abuse group purchasing

1:05:51organization agreement. This purchase

1:05:54order is for the amount not to exceed

1:05:56$100,000 and will be used to purchase

1:05:58all non-influenza vaccines at the

1:06:00Department of Public Health.

1:06:04>> Question question.

1:06:05>> Can you uh rattle off the list of

1:06:07noninfluenza vaccines starting with CO?

1:06:12>> That's a long list. Um we will we're not

1:06:16having the um the co ones this year, so

1:06:19it won't be on

1:06:20>> Okay.

1:06:20>> on our list. So is it I mean what is it

1:06:22like shingris and others like that?

1:06:25>> Yep.

1:06:27MMR things like that.

1:06:29>> Anything that's not a flu vaccine.

1:06:31>> So for young and old it's

1:06:34>> how long is that list before I tested

1:06:36you for it?

1:06:37>> I can get a complete list for you.

1:06:39>> That would be great. Thank you.

1:06:41>> Thank you.

1:06:41>> Um question.

1:06:44>> Um the um so you don't have CO on the

1:06:47list here. Why is that please?

1:06:49>> Correct. Just for budget reasons,

1:06:52>> we haven't had CO on our list for it's

1:06:55been a

1:06:56>> we had a small a small amount um last

1:06:58year that we had grant to use to

1:07:01purchase it.

1:07:03We no longer have those funds.

1:07:05>> Um were the ones that were purchased

1:07:09used?

1:07:11>> Yes. I don't have a exact count, but we

1:07:13did have we have some left over, but um

1:07:16we did administer

1:07:19So, we received some state funds last

1:07:21year. We're not receiving any state

1:07:23funds for CO this year. Is that correct?

1:07:25>> Correct. It was from one of the um the

1:07:28grant agreement that we had

1:07:31>> from the cost for non health insurance

1:07:34covered

1:07:36coaches went up pretty substantially

1:07:38because the the contract with feds ran

1:07:41out as I recall.

1:07:42>> Yeah. So, anybody who doesn't have

1:07:44health insurance is going to have a hard

1:07:46time this year affording jobs.

1:07:49>> That's great.

1:07:49>> I'd like to ask we look into that,

1:07:51please.

1:07:52>> Thank you.

1:07:53>> Thank you.

1:07:55>> Question.

1:07:56Thank you.

1:07:58>> Agenda item number 15 is a resolution

1:08:01awarding and authorizing execution of an

1:08:03agreement with Lommax Construction

1:08:04Incorporated for the 3820 North Liberty

1:08:06Street restroom renovation project.

1:08:08James Anderson, our design and

1:08:10construction manager, will brief this

1:08:11item. Good afternoon, commissioners.

1:08:13Item four is a contract to Lowmax uh for

1:08:16the North Liberty Street restroom

1:08:18renovation project. This project was

1:08:20designed by Michael Graves and

1:08:21Associates and formerly advertised by

1:08:23City County Purchasing on June 15th,

1:08:262026 with five bids being received on

1:08:29July 15th, 2026.

1:08:31Um the project did include two bid

1:08:33alternates to address an additional

1:08:35restroom and then also to add a unsect

1:08:37restroom. including the bid alternates.

1:08:40The bids were as follows. Lowmax

1:08:42construction $767,700,

1:08:46Central Builders, $833,000,

1:08:49HM Karn, $1,13,000,

1:08:52and Bar Construction, $1,82,500.

1:08:57And it's also recommended that we accept

1:08:58both alternates. And the resolution also

1:09:00[clears throat] authorizes the county

1:09:02manager to execute change orders and an

1:09:04amount not to exceed $100,000. Glad to

1:09:06answer any questions.

1:09:09questions.

1:09:12>> Thank you, Jackie.

1:09:14>> Agenda item number 16 is a resolution

1:09:16authorizing execution of an agreement

1:09:17with Striker Steels LLC to provide

1:09:20service and maintenance of all EMS

1:09:21Striker Equipment. Steuart Swing from

1:09:23our EMS department will read the sign.

1:09:27>> Good afternoon. This resolution for you

1:09:30is an agreement with Striker Proare L.

1:09:34Basically, we in the past we've had

1:09:35multiple different agreements with them.

1:09:37I think some years up to five. This

1:09:39takes all of them and combines them into

1:09:41one. Uh if you look through some of the

1:09:43packet in the pack, there are some that

1:09:46are prrated based on warranties of the

1:09:48stretchers and the power loads. Uh that

1:09:51we currently have. This covers all of

1:09:53our uh defibrillators, the Lucas

1:09:55devices, the stretchers, and power loads

1:09:57that go in the troughs broken into three

1:10:00equal payments for all three years.

1:10:03totaling $63,000 6774.

1:10:08>> What questions you

1:10:10>> question?

1:10:11>> The power load. That's the most

1:10:13expensive.

1:10:14>> It It is a little bit more expensive

1:10:16than the stretcher itself, but that's

1:10:17the device that's attached to the

1:10:19ambulance that actually loads the

1:10:20stretcher in to save our backs.

1:10:22>> What's its weight load?

1:10:23>> I'm sorry.

1:10:24>> What What weight load?

1:10:25>> About 700 800 lb. So sometimes we do

1:10:28have to assist the power load with our

1:10:31heavier [clears throat] populations, but

1:10:33>> Okay. And for your Lucas devices, um

1:10:36they're only about 1,800 a pop. Um and I

1:10:39think there were eight of those.

1:10:41>> Okay. How how are they allocated and how

1:10:43often are they used and who is qualified

1:10:46to use them? We have the eight of them.

1:10:49They're on our supervisor vehicles and

1:10:51our QRVS that are that are out in the

1:10:53county. Our training department also has

1:10:55one that we use specifically for

1:10:56training, but if we need to put it in

1:10:58service, we can go grab it or or send

1:11:00them on call as well. Um, everybody gets

1:11:02training on the Lucas devices to keep it

1:11:05simple. Um, there's pictures on the top,

1:11:08so if somebody who's remotely familiar

1:11:11with it, is on scene, we can walk you

1:11:14through it. There's a play button, a

1:11:16pause button, and a stop button.

1:11:19>> How often is it actually used? I'd say

1:11:22we probably use them

1:11:24>> every day.

1:11:25>> Every day. Sometimes three, four times a

1:11:26day.

1:11:27>> Okay. Thank you.

1:11:30>> Questions.

1:11:31>> Thank you so much.

1:11:32>> Absolutely.

1:11:34>> And I did just want to mention, Madam

1:11:36Chair, at our August 27th meeting, we

1:11:38have another quasi judicial landfill

1:11:40matter, and I wanted to ask our attorney

1:11:42to just give you a brief update on the

1:11:44process for that.

1:11:55Thank you. I appreciate that. Um, so we

1:11:58we started a policy a while back that um

1:12:02we would have um Chris Murphy come in

1:12:04and brief you in extra time for matters

1:12:08that he was bringing before you. And um

1:12:11I I've spoken to you before about

1:12:13quashing judicial matters and how they

1:12:15differ because you're really acting as a

1:12:17judge. And so those are those are really

1:12:20different than everything else that's

1:12:21brought before you because other matters

1:12:23that are brought before you. You're free

1:12:25to discuss. You're free to talk with

1:12:27your constituents um about that

1:12:29[clears throat] outside of the hearing.

1:12:31Quasian judicial you're you're not

1:12:34allowed to do that. And so my

1:12:36recommendation is that we and and what

1:12:38we're intending to do unless you tell us

1:12:40otherwise is not to pre-brief those

1:12:43because really Chris needs to be sworn

1:12:46in and testify which he is during the

1:12:49hearing. So um you will have the

1:12:51materials they will they will be put in

1:12:53in your packet but the actual discussion

1:12:55of it really needs to be limited to the

1:12:59hearing itself. um we we

1:13:02typically we don't think about it that

1:13:04much because we have quasi digital

1:13:06hearing about every other year. Well,

1:13:09now we have two backto-back months. And

1:13:11so, um I've been talking about it with

1:13:14Chris and we both decided that this

1:13:15would be the better better way. And I I

1:13:17would say to you, I've said it before,

1:13:19but if you receive emails, you can't

1:13:22stop people from emailing you. you can't

1:13:23stop people necessarily from calling

1:13:25you, but if they start talking about

1:13:27landfills, please let them know that you

1:13:29can't talk about that except in the

1:13:31hearing itself. And and I've several of

1:13:34you have sent emails to me and I've

1:13:37contacted those people. And I said, you

1:13:39know, the commissioners aren't being

1:13:40rude. They just can't talk to you about

1:13:42these um these particular landfill

1:13:44issues. That has to be limited to the

1:13:46hearing itself. And I've encouraged them

1:13:48if you have an issue with it, pro or

1:13:50con, please come to the hearing.

1:13:54So, in this case,

1:13:57the the magic word is a landfill. If

1:14:00someone emails us about a landfill, we

1:14:03kick it over to you. Um, the only thing

1:14:05that I would ask in the future, give us

1:14:08a, you know,

1:14:10a summary of what we need to avoid

1:14:13talking about so when we get those

1:14:14emails, they just go straight to.

1:14:17>> Sure. and and I' I've you know I've

1:14:18asked um Chris to let me know when it's

1:14:21coming through the pipeline. Um

1:14:23sometimes these things pretty bump on us

1:14:25but and and we don't always know when

1:14:27they're going to be scheduled. So but

1:14:29yes, I I will definitely definitely try

1:14:31to do that. Thank you.

1:14:33>> And I believe that on the the landfill

1:14:35you're going to hear on the 27th, I

1:14:36believe folks were contacting

1:14:38commissioners before it even went to the

1:14:40planning board. um the the one that's on

1:14:43sale on Chapel. I believe there were

1:14:44some email communications that folks or

1:14:47phone calls where folks have started

1:14:48reaching out hadn't made it to the

1:14:49planning board yet. So, I'll try to try

1:14:52to alert the county attorney's office as

1:14:54soon as I know that something's coming

1:14:56so he can perhaps prepare you, but

1:14:59that was well in advance of when it's

1:15:01coming to you. Is is the zoning

1:15:06in question

1:15:08related to the LCID?

1:15:12Is it going to be a general use?

1:15:17>> So, there's a special use permit.

1:15:19>> Yeah, I believe the property is already

1:15:20zoned AG. It's either AG or RS40. A an

1:15:24LCID greater than 2 acres is allowed in

1:15:27that zoning district. So it's not a

1:15:29resoning, but it's only allowed in that

1:15:31zoning district subject to the issuance

1:15:34of a special use permit issued by the

1:15:36county commissioner. So that's it's a

1:15:38quasi judicial hearing. They're actually

1:15:40not changing the zoning. He gets

1:15:42assigned a zoning number because that's

1:15:44the only way we have to like kind of

1:15:46move it forward to you. Uh but they

1:15:48don't have to reszone the property.

1:15:50Well,

1:15:52uh, if the board wants to, the site plan

1:15:57itself that has been, uh, brought

1:16:00forward to the planning,

1:16:04if the board wants to make changes in

1:16:07the site plan,

1:16:09can it do so?

1:16:19the site plan that on this you know

1:16:22again on this case that's come to you uh

1:16:25or any site plan that comes to you has

1:16:28already been certified to meet UDO

1:16:29requirements if it's something that goes

1:16:32above and beyond that

1:16:34and I will defer to the county attorney

1:16:36I believe that it's one of those things

1:16:38that is subject to you can approve it

1:16:40with those changes

1:16:43if they agree to it if they don't agree

1:16:45to those changes I think your

1:16:46alternative would be to deny it if it if

1:16:49you don't feel like it needs the

1:16:50findings.

1:16:51>> That that is correct. They they would

1:16:53have to agree to that. Um but that would

1:16:55be something that would need to be

1:16:56confined to the hearing. Um, and and

1:17:02it it's hard to know because I I don't

1:17:04want to talk about a specific case and

1:17:06it's hard to know what hypotheticals

1:17:08could come up, but as Chris said,

1:17:10they're very specific requirements that

1:17:12have to be met and they're usually um

1:17:16drawings prepared by a civil engineer or

1:17:18somebody like that, somebody with

1:17:20expertise in landfills. So, they they

1:17:22would need to testify to that.

1:17:26So, but that would be something that

1:17:27could be discussed in here.

1:17:29>> Well, the specific things about the site

1:17:32plan, let's just say setback. Does the

1:17:35site plan uh and in the ordinance does

1:17:39it say what the setbacks are?

1:17:43>> Yes.

1:17:51What kind of questions are Well, I'll

1:17:53just give you an example and you can

1:17:54tell me whether

1:17:57uh it's okay or not and then we'll go

1:18:01from there. One is it came up uh

1:18:08before and I thought it was a relative

1:18:11on one that was which is heard.

1:18:16It was a cuz uh it was about the road

1:18:20there. The the road and

1:18:23the one before

1:18:25uh

1:18:28my guess met u

1:18:32good standards. If the board or any

1:18:35individual has question, just say about

1:18:37the roads and about uh were uh material

1:18:45that would be put into any LCID field.

1:18:52Can you ask a question where come uh may

1:18:54come from if if the road is uh

1:19:01got an whatever the weight limited

1:19:03states got on and they got them on every

1:19:06one as far as I know I think I don't

1:19:09we'll find out

1:19:11some of those kind of questions

1:19:15may come up

1:19:17the people that does I guess what's cost

1:19:20called

1:19:22kind of a crossexamination.

1:19:24Uh

1:19:27if they ask staff or anybody about say

1:19:32road conditions, is it uh uh suitable

1:19:36for

1:19:38[snorts] the tractor trailer uh

1:19:43trucks? their weight blames about 80,000

1:19:47of the trucks and not that that's the

1:19:49highest weight. Those kind of questions

1:19:52can they be asked?

1:19:53>> Um those those are not really um

1:19:55relevant to to No, they're not because

1:19:58and and I believe Chris answered that

1:20:00well the last one. Um he's certainly not

1:20:02a highway expert, but what you're

1:20:04looking at is land use and there's a

1:20:06presumption that a landfill could be

1:20:10appropriate in in the setting. Now, you

1:20:12you may find that it didn't meet those

1:20:14four findings of facts, so you may deny

1:20:16it. But just to say that um you know, we

1:20:20think the trucks are too heavy or

1:20:22something like that, that's not really

1:20:23something that is that should be

1:20:25discussed in a in a in a land use

1:20:29hearing.

1:20:32I mean, if there's if there's expert

1:20:34opinion that it devalues surrounding

1:20:36properties, that that can certainly be

1:20:38discussed, but not we don't like trucks.

1:20:44Well,

1:20:47just expect some money unexpected

1:20:49questions. Some of mine comes from me

1:20:52because

1:20:53the

1:20:56weight limit is state law

1:20:59and if you go over weight limits

1:21:02under stable stroke stops you

1:21:06site you so they can do that could u a

1:21:12road like that it's just a secondary

1:21:14road and the one that was was a

1:21:18secondary

1:21:20uh roads, but

1:21:23sounds like to me the recommendation

1:21:26that you talk about is we got

1:21:28limitations and the people that uh might

1:21:32ask questions

1:21:35got limitations too. So,

1:21:38>> so, so folks can ask whatever question

1:21:40they want, but it just it just goes to

1:21:42whether that is something that that is

1:21:45legally relevant.

1:21:48So

1:21:49[snorts] to give you the benefit of the

1:21:51doubt, you're you're just advised to

1:21:53support the law.

1:22:00>> Other discussion.

1:22:04>> Thank you.

1:22:07>> So I think that we can adjourn. Thank

1:22:11you all for today and for welcoming our

1:22:16new commissioner and hope you all have a

1:22:19happy

1:22:54Yeah.

1:23:27was good.

1:23:29>> Yeah, I didn't even watch your last one

1:23:30Saturday. So yeah, that was good.

1:23:35Did a good job.

1:23:59>> I know.

1:24:02What's happening?

1:24:28charge by the number of

1:24:35>> do you

1:24:40have

1:24:48some

1:24:56I changed look