2026-09-30 - Safety Committee

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10:56Well, I want to welcome everybody to

10:58safety [music] committee. We're wait for

10:59some of our other members who are coming

11:01in because they're at other meetings.

11:02So, we're going to jump right into the

11:03presentation about the firehouses and

11:07the police station um because we don't

11:09need a quorum for that. So, um, whoever

11:13is going to come to the table.

11:15Um, we want a I don't know if this is a

11:18PowerPoint. Okay, good.

11:21>> Yes, sir. PowerPoint presentation.

11:24>> Come on, gentlemen. Come to the table.

11:31So, Councilman, while we're while we're

11:32getting set up here, um just by way of

11:37introduction, so

11:40uh there's been some articles in

11:43Cleveland.com, there's been some

11:45discussion about um here here at city

11:48hall with council members about a fire

11:49and EMS modernization plan.

11:52>> Yes. And so this has been the

11:54culmination of work of internal staff

11:57and mocap with uh public safety and our

12:01consultants, our outside consultants to

12:03really look comprehensively at all of

12:05the facilities that we have for fire and

12:07EMS and to come up with um both an

12:11analysis of what needs to be um

12:15repaired, fixed, replaced or um you know

12:19are and also are are the facilities is

12:22in the right location. So, it was really

12:24a comprehensive plan. And so, what we're

12:26going to do with you, and that's been

12:27about a year and a half, uh maybe two

12:30years. Yes.

12:30>> Um what we're going to present to you

12:32today is is that analysis.

12:35>> Um and so, um to my right, Director

12:38Drummond obviously, and then Mark, if

12:40you could introduce yourself and uh and

12:43our consultant, please.

12:44>> Thank you.

12:45>> Thank you, director. Through the chair.

12:47I'm Mark Dulick. Um I am the city

12:49architect and it has been about two

12:51years that we've been working with our

12:53consultant team and collaborating with

12:56public safety um division of fire uh

12:59leadership um division of EMS leadership

13:03all of the above. It's my pleasure to

13:05introduce uh Dwayne Van Djk of Cordig

13:07and Clark Leesco Architects who have a

13:10long history and deep experience in uh

13:13fire and EMS facilities. And um they've

13:16been their team has been part of our

13:18team uh for these couple years. And so

13:22um this is Dwayne.

13:24>> But before we do that, uh I was under

13:27the impression you were going to update

13:28us as well as it pertains to the five

13:30police districts.

13:32>> Oh, okay. So I saw that note in the

13:35council minute in the but I didn't know

13:37that you wanted the presentation that we

13:38gave on Monday.

13:39>> Well you didn't you don't have to

13:41duplicate it but what I'm saying for the

13:42viewing public tell us where we are with

13:45the five police districts.

13:46>> Absolutely. So uh Mr. Chairman, we uh

13:50last year we came through city council

13:52for a contract um with Leopardo is the

13:56name of the firm

13:57>> for uh re re uh rehabbing, if you will,

14:03all five police uh district buildings at

14:06a cost of $21 million. And that cost um

14:11would be covered by the energy

14:12efficiency savings and the procurement

14:14savings that an analysis um showed would

14:19come from uh um those improvements and

14:22uh procurement um changes that we could

14:25make. So the good news is is that um the

14:29contracts were signed. Leo Partardo uh

14:31jumped into that work and all five

14:34districts um will be completed next

14:37month which is October. Tomorrow is

14:40October and that's a 10-month process

14:42for all five police districts at a cost

14:44of $21 million.

14:47And we're happy as as we mentioned at um

14:50the MSP committee to um to find out

14:54which council members might want a tour

14:55of any of those districts or all of

14:57those districts and then we would make

14:58those plans. But the great news is is

15:01that we have um um very very good

15:04feedback from both uh public safety um

15:09as well as you know our MOAP team on how

15:12well that process has worked from a

15:13construction standpoint and very good

15:16feedback from our legal and procurement

15:19team on how um sort of the the legal

15:22side of of of that energy efficiencies

15:26contract has has come together.

15:28>> Okay. So you're saying by November 1st

15:30everything should be complete.

15:32>> That's correct. Okay. Yes. So if um I

15:34don't know if you uh provided this to

15:36the other committee, but do you have a

15:38list per each building what was done?

15:41>> Uh Mr. Chairman, we do have a list. We

15:44can provide that to you.

15:45>> Okay.

15:45>> And and I will say that uh some of the

15:48um some of the items that were bid out

15:51for the project um by Leopardo came in

15:54at at good pricing such that we could

15:56add some scope. So, for instance, there

15:59were some districts that um we did not

16:02scope new windows, but we had the budget

16:04to allow new windows to be put in. And

16:06so, those are the types of um continued

16:10um improvement on the the list of uh of

16:13uh design build items that we were able

16:15to do on that project.

16:17>> Okay. So, if you could provide that list

16:19especially to those members where a

16:22district is in their ward. Um and then

16:26again those of us who want to have a

16:29tour uh who do we who do we arrange that

16:31with?

16:33>> Um oh through you

16:34>> office.

16:35>> Yeah. Um so director Drummond uh will be

16:38uh we'll be coordinating uh on the

16:40tours. We'll have to um make sure that

16:42each district is aware of who's coming

16:43through.

16:44>> Okay. Because I I certainly want to go

16:46through the fifth. And again, I um I am

16:50very, as we we've been talking, as the

16:52director knows, I over the years, I've

16:54been talking about the conditions of the

16:57public safety facility. So, it's good

17:00that the um that the five districts are

17:03uh being addressed. Now, obviously,

17:05there's other issues at some point

17:07you're going to have to address at the

17:08districts, correct? Or you you're

17:10addressing the main issues at each

17:12district now.

17:13>> So, Mr. Mr. Chairman, the only the only

17:16thing that needs to be addressed in the

17:17future is furniture for the for the five

17:19districts. So, we have comprehensively

17:22done not just not just new HVAC systems

17:24or new roofs where it was needed, but

17:27also quality of life issues like the

17:29flooring in the lobby or new steps as

17:31you go up the lighting. Okay.

17:33>> Um, you know, dividers in the showers.

17:35>> So, then furniture, when will that be

17:37addressed? Do we know? So furniture will

17:39be proposed obviously it's to council's

17:41discretion in the 2028 capital

17:45improvement plan.

17:46>> So another two years away.

17:48>> Well it's from I mean it's a year away.

17:51Yes.

17:52>> Okay. Well you need to keep us apprised

17:54of that.

17:55>> Yes sir. um because again some of the

17:57the furniture

18:00is ancient in these places and hasn't

18:02been addressed and we want to make sure

18:03that we have um quality environment for

18:06our men and women in blue in all these

18:08district houses. So again, please keep

18:10us in the loop.

18:11>> We and Mr. chairman, we we will

18:13absolutely and we think that that's

18:15that's really, you know, we hear from

18:17council, we've heard from the the folks

18:19that work in those facilities, but

18:20really it's about, you know, retaining

18:22the officers and then um attracting new

18:25ones by having um great facilities to

18:27work in. And not to not to tie the two

18:31um um you know into too much

18:33conversation right now, but what we're

18:35proposing to you today uh what we're

18:37showing you today on the fire and EMS

18:40side of the world, we're going to come

18:41back to council to show that we're going

18:43to propose um funding an improvement

18:46project through the same project team to

18:49to handle the issues that we're about to

18:52um discuss with you today. So today is

18:54really, you know, what are the problems?

18:56And then we'll be back to council to

18:58say, here's how we anticipate um being

19:01able to um fund these improvements and

19:04and we'll have to work through council

19:06on those approvals.

19:06>> Okay. Go ahead.

19:08>> Thank you, Mr. Chair.

19:10>> And by the way, I just want to make sure

19:11clerk, I want to make sure we officially

19:13call the role of the members present.

19:16>> Sure.

19:16>> Would you call the role?

19:19>> Yes.

19:21>> Present.

19:24here.

19:29>> Thank you. Thank you. Proceed. Thank

19:30you.

19:31>> Okay. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, members

19:32of the committee. Um I'm Dwayne Van Djk

19:34with Cord and Clark Leesco and it's been

19:37a privilege to work with uh the city on

19:40reviewing and studying and giving you

19:42some op options for all of your uh fire

19:45and EMS facilities. There's three things

19:47I'd like you to think about as we're

19:49going through this uh um report. Uh the

19:53one is that it was comprehensive. So we

19:55looked at every single facility uh met

19:57with fire, met with um uh MUKAP and um

20:01others to uh come up with uh some

20:04options here for you. It's practical.

20:06It's a practical approach to dealing

20:09with the various facilities and issues.

20:11Uh and the third is it's actionable. So,

20:14it's been set up in a way that there's

20:16there's options that you can uh approach

20:18it with, but um uh we worked with uh uh

20:22Mr. Dulock's team to um prepare it that

20:25way. And then the fourth thing I guess

20:27is you're going to see some words

20:28throughout this pres presentation. It's

20:30repair, renew, and replace. And repair

20:34are all the facilities will have some

20:36level of repair done to them is

20:38proposed. Uh then uh um some facilities

20:41are we have we're calling them renew and

20:43these are facilities that you can retain

20:45the existing buildings but with some

20:47renovation work and bring up bring them

20:49up to a modern uh fire station and EMS

20:53facility standards. And then the third

20:55is going to be replaced. And these are

20:56stations that you'll see because of uh

20:59property size or age uh or the way

21:01they're configured be are difficult to

21:05um actually uh renovate and need to be

21:07replaced with new stations.

21:09>> Just question point of you looked at 24

21:12buildings.

21:13>> Yes.

21:14>> Okay. So the the new one the the new one

21:17we constructed that wasn't a part of

21:19this

21:20>> it was not part of the plan although we

21:21you reviewed it in detail to understand

21:24because it's it's the sort of the model

21:26for what we we compared everything

21:27against it.

21:28>> Thank you. Proceed.

21:29>> Okay. Thank you. So if um if we could

21:32start. So there's our uh

21:34>> uh

21:36thank you Mr.

21:37>> Chairman.

21:39Mr. Chairman.

21:40>> Yep.

21:41you you you when you started the if I

21:44may if I can and just and it just real

21:46quickly um the director talked about the

21:50stations you brought the stations up uh

21:52the various different stations that have

21:53been renovated. The question is is this

21:55the same group that will be is a

21:58different group that will be doing the

22:00fire stations. This is not the group

22:01that

22:03is this still the same group. So through

22:06through the chairman of the councilman.

22:07So what we're presenting today is the

22:09fire and EMS modernization plan which um

22:12this consultant helped us put together

22:15the plan. But when we come back to

22:17council to talk about how to finance the

22:19plan and how to do the improvements, it

22:22would be the same team, the Leoart

22:24Leopard team. Um they were the

22:27successful respondents um to the RFP for

22:30the energy efficiency analysis and also

22:32they've done just a standout job on

22:35working together. And then now the

22:37chairman, we were at another committee.

22:39He was sitting here and you were going

22:41over the the presentation and this is

22:43something I just don't want us to miss

22:45is the how do we we take care of our

22:48customer, our citizens. And so, and I

22:51talked about over 30 years ago, me and

22:54then former council woman Odell Robinson

22:57put I put 20,000 she put 20,000 to do

23:00the the intro where you come into the

23:03actual station of the fourth district.

23:05And Mr. Chairman, nothing has been done

23:07since that period. And and so I would

23:09suggest, Mr. chairman that we also

23:12consider the the people who are coming

23:13in to get the services, people who are

23:15coming in um uh in in the fourth

23:18district to have that entire piece

23:19renovated and I think that that Mr.

23:21Chairman should also be a part we talked

23:24about that before you arrived about the

23:26they gave us an update on the five

23:28police districts. So they're

23:30>> but we didn't talk about the intro the

23:32intro because I was paying attention on

23:34that line with my Mr. If I if I may

23:37that's part of the improvement I don't

23:38want to be talked about because they

23:41smart technology you can listen as you

23:43drive in.

23:44>> Okay. Go ahead.

23:44>> Yes. So Mr. Chairman to Councilman Jones

23:47>> the entryways of all five districts are

23:50included in the project that Leopardo is

23:54is completing um next month.

23:56>> Okay. So you'll see when you go to that

23:58that station that the that district that

24:00the the entryway is

24:01>> and I would like to work with you

24:03because I've gotten a lot of complaints

24:04in my office, Mr. Chairman, too.

24:06>> Thank you. I feel the same about the

24:07fifth district lobby as well. So

24:09>> yeah, and that's why we did that work.

24:10>> Okay, good.

24:11>> So thank you, Mr. Chairman. Appreciate

24:12you.

24:12>> Okay, proceed.

24:13>> Okay,

24:14>> with your presentation,

24:16>> right? Uh so uh up up there is a a map

24:20of all of the current facilities. So the

24:24um there the red ones are fire stations,

24:27the red and blue are fire and EMS and

24:30the blue are solely EMS. And so that

24:33gives you a sense of the locations these

24:35we looked at all of them. Um and just a

24:39couple of statistics to keep in mind.

24:41The oldest operating fire station is

24:43number 24. It was built in 1910. The

24:45newest is 26 which was built in 2025.

24:49The average age of the Cleveland fire

24:50stations is 1960. Uh the approximate

24:54percentage of fire stations over 40

24:56years old in the US is 43%. And the

24:59approximate percentage of Cleveland fire

25:01stations over 40 years old is 87%. So

25:05just some some statistical information

25:07for you. Um so here were the goals of

25:10the study and on the left is the uh plan

25:12of fire station 26 but and you can see

25:15it's colored in green, yellow and red

25:17and part of the reason this is to show

25:19you that the way you uh modern fire

25:22stations are designed there's the living

25:24quarters uh on the left which are the

25:27green zone. There's the uh apparatus

25:30bays and uh where the um turnout gear is

25:33kept which is the red zone. And you want

25:35an in a modern station, you want to

25:38create a yellow zone, sort of a

25:39transition between the two areas and you

25:42do it with um ventilation and that type

25:44of thing. Um but so the key of this uh

25:47and that was we used that as the model

25:49as we looked at every station that you

25:51have existing in your fac in your city

25:53right now. So the goals were though to

25:55improve fire and EMS facilities for for

25:58kind of two major goals. One is health,

26:00safety and welfare which is the red,

26:02yellow and green zone that I just spoke

26:04of. modern HVAC systems and updating uh

26:07the EMS spaces and then the second is

26:10functionality to provide fe female

26:12quarters in all stations drive-thru

26:15apparatus bays uh and ADA accessibility

26:18so those were sort of the overarching

26:20things we looked at along with other

26:22items

26:23>> it just on that where is the kitchen

26:25where's the the eating facilities

26:26>> um in in this uh particular plan it's

26:29over on the far left uh side

26:31>> okay so away from apparatus

26:33>> that's right

26:34>> thank Yes. Go ahead.

26:37>> Um and then this is the EMS uh which uh

26:40there are uh most are at fire stations,

26:42but there are seven that are actually at

26:45other locations uh in the city. You can

26:48see the list there. And the goal for the

26:50uh for this project was to get all of

26:53the EMS back or in fire station

26:56locations um and um um and anonymously

27:00at the locations they are now. And then

27:03also one of the things we uh considered

27:05was dynamic staging because of course

27:07once they're out on a run they're then

27:09on to the next run. Don't always go back

27:11to the to the fire station itself. Um so

27:16this is the kind of a summary of the

27:18what we're going to talk about. So to

27:20the left is the repair station. So all

27:2224 stations except for station 26 which

27:25is brand new will have some level of

27:28repair done to them. and we'll show you

27:30a chart that we use that uh uh helps

27:33with the overall report. Then the renew

27:36there's 12 stations. These are stations

27:38that uh we all to determined with fire

27:42and with uh EMS and with uh mocap that

27:45they uh would uh lend themselves to

27:49renovation

27:51uh and and to help them meet closer to

27:53the goals of that of you know what how

27:56fire station 26 works. And then there's

27:5810 stations that are replaced. So you'll

28:00see this chart as we're going through

28:02the presentation. So first are the

28:05repair stations. Uh and those are again

28:08are are the ones on the left. Um and the

28:11uh goal with that was we looked at all

28:13the fire stations. Um and and return

28:16determined they all needed some level of

28:18repairs. Uh and it varied. Uh so the

28:21proposed work for each station is noted

28:23on the scorecards which I'll show you in

28:24a minute. But the repairs were mainly

28:26for looking at the the big items like

28:28building envelope, roofs, windows,

28:31masonry. So that's the exterior. And

28:33then the interior systems such as

28:35mechanical, electrical, and plumbing.

28:37And we also took a look at finishes,

28:39paint, uh, flooring, and that type of

28:41thing. So to the left there, you see, is

28:44our scorecard that we worked on

28:46together. And what we did is we went to

28:47every single facility. We walked through

28:49every space. We um took lots of photos

28:53and reviewed those. We met with uh many

28:56meetings with uh the city and fire to go

28:59over this in detail is to kind of

29:01ranking it. So we have the big uh items

29:04as on the left then our ranking system

29:07um with some notes for that and then

29:09that also helped us we then applied some

29:12numbers cost to it and we'll talk about

29:14that at the end here. Um but with that

29:16it was to again look at the the big

29:19items not necessarily an outlet doesn't

29:21work here but but the the overall uh

29:24issues that affect the uh functionality

29:27and uh uh quality of life and then we

29:30ranked it in terms of one was for zero

29:32to five years two was for five to 10

29:34years and three was for uh 10 years and

29:37beyond.

29:39So, and and we also then looked at fire

29:43station 30 was in the process while we

29:45were doing this of having some

29:46renovation done and we sort of said this

29:48could be a somewhat of a model for this

29:50repair level of repair and that included

29:53things like updating the HVAC system um

29:57taking the EMS space out of the uh

30:00apparatus bay and getting them into the

30:01main building uh portion. uh

30:04functionality, female quarters and a a

30:06new roof. And then quality of life

30:08coming through and painting the living

30:10quarters, new flooring and certain just

30:12to spruce up the building, but helped to

30:14uh take a what is was a a 1970s building

30:17and bring it up to a a more uh livable

30:21area and functional uh facility.

30:25So, here are all the repair stations,

30:27and I won't go through each one of them,

30:28but uh if except for 26, they're on the

30:31chart. Uh uh and um

30:35>> but go back to that a moment please.

30:37>> Yes.

30:37>> But you have on each one you have repair

30:40renew um repair retain repair. So don't

30:46your indication under the house. Is that

30:49what you're recommending? Then repair.

30:51>> That's right.

30:51>> Like like 40 it says repair replace.

30:54What's

30:55>> Let's see. Let's go to 40 here. So yes,

30:57>> a couple of them would have them like

30:58that. Repair replace.

31:00>> So repair is right. And and the idea

31:02behind this was that we that anything

31:05you're going to do is going to take a

31:07little time and so they all need a basic

31:08level of repair now. Um and so 40 is one

31:12that would be repaired and then you have

31:14land to the uh east of it that could

31:17then be used for a future new station.

31:21>> So um you're going to do again I'm not

31:24clear because there's a bunch of them

31:25like that. You've got Rocky River,

31:28you've got Pearl Road again, uh 116th,

31:33accuse me, uh Lorraine Avenue,

31:37Bair. So, you're going to do what the

31:39the basic you're going to address some

31:41of the basic issues.

31:42>> So, so they Right. Exactly. They will be

31:44the And that's where there's when we get

31:47to renew that the renew takes it

31:49further. Repair gets the it's warm,

31:51safe, and dry approach.

31:53>> Okay. Okay.

31:53>> Make sure your roofs are the the windows

31:55are working are not an issue. HBAC

31:59system works.

32:00>> Um those types of things.

32:02>> Okay.

32:02>> And and Mr. Chairman, if I could, if if

32:04we think about how Leopardo did the

32:07police districts,

32:09>> those were all repairs. It was massive

32:12repairs, but that was all repairs. No

32:14additions. The buildings were had good

32:16bones. They were in the right locations.

32:18So when you think about every

32:22fire station and EMS station getting

32:25repairs, that's the kind of level of

32:27repairs that that we're thinking of.

32:29>> Okay. Thank you.

32:31>> I just want to make sure that because

32:33when when you go look at that now, we're

32:36talking about significant replacement

32:40of buildings.

32:42>> When we get to the renew portion or the

32:45replace portion, right? Yes.

32:47>> Okay. Keep going.

32:48>> Yeah.

32:51>> So, and Mr. Chairman, I guess I would

32:54add that so we looked at repair as sort

32:56of it's the interim

32:58>> be before you necessarily do the renew

33:00and replace or it can be done depending

33:03on how you decide to do it. Um, but

33:05these are things that just brings

33:07everything up to a basic level.

33:10So, these are then renew stations. So,

33:13there's 12 of those stations up there.

33:16Um, and this is an example of what we uh

33:20>> asked Mr. Jones, what is your point?

33:21>> We go back to the next graph. You have

33:23them numbered. Can you tell us what

33:24those numbers mean?

33:26>> So, I'm sorry. Those numbers are the

33:28actual numbers of the station. So,

33:29that's station 1, 4, 6, 7, etc. that

33:33were the ones that um what we did is we

33:36actually did and we'll show you an

33:38example of one, but we did um took a

33:41look at each station um and we even

33:43looked at some of the stations that we

33:44then put down under the replace

33:46category. Can we add on to it? Is there

33:48room on the site? Is the building uh and

33:52we'll you'll see when you get to the

33:54replace why they a challenge. um but you

33:57know what made sense to actually uh uh

34:00expand or renovate versus actually

34:04having to replace the building.

34:06>> Okay, keep going.

34:07>> Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

34:09>> Um so here's the executive summary. 12

34:11stations and here's what the the sort of

34:14the checklist fell under was they were

34:16in reasonable condition. They were in

34:18good locations. uh they have sufficient

34:21property for expansion and that was

34:22really an important uh element was you

34:26had to have some room to expand and some

34:27of the sites you'll see are very tight.

34:29The other factors were most were newer

34:31than 1970 again the good condition they

34:35have sufficient sight area and they're

34:36expandable. So in this case on this is

34:39fire station. Well actually we've got a

34:41more detail talk more to the microphone.

34:44>> Oh that's all right. Let's pull it

34:46close.

34:47>> All right there.

34:49>> Um we'll go through this in a little

34:51more detail in a second. So these are

34:54the renewed stations that again were

34:57stations that um could be renovated and

35:00or expanded. So in the case of this one,

35:03fire station one won't necessarily be

35:04expanded. It was renovation. Fire

35:07Station four was renovation. Um,

35:11six is a a larger addition on on that

35:15one. Um, seven uh is a re

35:20I'd say a

35:22a medium renovation. I'm sorry, um,

35:25expansion. Uh, uh, nine and 14 were both

35:29smaller additions. Well, actually 14's

35:31adding an apparatus bay. And then uh 13

35:35uh is the same as seven and 30. So those

35:38have the same sort of plans. 20 uh uh

35:42was a small renovation addition. Fire

35:45station 21 adding a bay. 28's a

35:48renovation project. Um and then um

35:52mentioned 30 and 31 was again

35:56reworking the apparatus space for

35:58drive-thru. So those were the stations

36:00we looked at and this shows you a plan

36:03of the from the concept of the yellows

36:06are the stations that would be renewed.

36:08So those are the ones that can be

36:11expanded and renovated and then the ones

36:14with the uh red boxes around them are

36:17the ones that need that we're suggesting

36:19should be replaced.

36:24So here's an example of one that we did

36:27our report fire for air station 13. So

36:29we have all kinds of information about

36:31opportunities and challenges,

36:33recommendations, repair and renew. Um

36:37here's some photographs of the existing

36:39uh lo site. Uh here's a site plan and as

36:43you can see from the red uh property

36:46lines around the perimeter that this has

36:48some property available to it for an

36:50expansion.

36:52And so there is one proposed expansion.

36:55is not necessarily the one that will be

36:57would be built because when you would

36:59get into the actual project you would

37:01work through all the details but we came

37:02up with plans that were actionable and

37:05doable and were pragmatic and uh fires

37:08reviewed um most of these

37:11and this is the existing floor plan

37:15and then this is with the addition on.

37:16So you you can see where the addition

37:18comes out the back. And what it does is

37:20it enables us to create a yellow zone.

37:23Uh expand the um uh uh get some of the

37:27uh turnout gear off the apparatus floor

37:30because most of them are in lockers on

37:32the floor. Uh and then uh expand the um

37:36uh living spaces. So there's a a

37:39reasonable size kitchen and uh uh eating

37:42area and um of course the um female

37:45quarters not not uh shared quarters that

37:51can be used by anybody. So uh then the

37:54replace uh uh ones these are the 10

37:58stations that are proposed.

38:01And so here's the challenge with the

38:02ones that most of them not all of them

38:04but but these stations were all built

38:07built in 1940s and 50s and you can see

38:11they're what we we call them a U-shape

38:13but basically it's the living and uh

38:16office

38:18surrounds the uh apparatus and so to try

38:22and get a yellow zone in these becomes a

38:24real challenge. Um they're also because

38:27of their age they're uh have a little

38:30more few more challenges with them. Of

38:32course with the repair we'll be able to

38:33get them up to at least a basic level.

38:36And then as you can see from the site

38:38plan there's not a lot of room for an

38:40expansion. And this would be typical of

38:42of a number of these like this that were

38:44uh not really that didn't lend

38:46themselves to um expanding. And here's

38:50the actual stations and you can see uh

38:53the ones that uh so 17 22 23

38:5933

39:0138

39:0340 42 and 43 are almost of that type of

39:07a plan.

39:08>> Okay,

39:08>> with that U-shape and then uh uh 24 of

39:12course is a very old historic uh uh fire

39:16station.

39:18>> Information M. Mr. Jones,

39:20>> can you I noticed that you have the year

39:231918.

39:25Is that the year that that fire station

39:27on number 17? That's how old it is.

39:32>> Is that the

39:33>> Who can answer that?

39:34>> I'm sorry. Um,

39:35>> is that the address

39:36>> through the chairman of the comment?

39:37That's the address of the building. Yes.

39:40>> Since we're replacing them, can you tell

39:41us how old these stations are?

39:44>> Um, get it at at some point, you know,

39:47we'll make that request.

39:48>> Yeah. Yes, sir. They're on We can but we

39:50we have we have that information.

39:52>> Yeah. On each of the stations, all of

39:53them, just give us the date they were

39:55built.

39:55>> Sure. Thank you.

39:56>> Yes. Yes, Mr. Chairman.

39:57>> Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

39:58>> You're welcome. Go ahead.

40:00>> So, this then is the proposed plan uh

40:04with showing um uh some station where

40:08where new stations could be constructed.

40:10So the yellow is where the old stations

40:12are and then an arrow to where the new

40:15station uh is proposed or potentially

40:19could be located.

40:24>> So this shows you the chart that all

40:27those individual pages that we showed

40:29you early on then created we created a

40:32chart with it that had both the scoring

40:34and also we assigned cost to this and

40:37then this created a cost chart. Uh, and

40:41I I'll just caution that this is because

40:43of the level of the the costs on this

40:46are still a um they're estimates.

40:50It's a it's a I'll call it a global

40:52estimate. Um, and so for example, things

40:56can get moved around in the chart that

40:58affects the end number a little bit. uh

41:00and whether things are renews or

41:02replaces or even with uh the scoring for

41:06u the actual repairs uh it can be

41:09affected depending on on a variety of

41:12things. So the numbers we're going to

41:13show you next are really I I want you to

41:15think of them as

41:18sort of big picture versus

41:20uh

41:22the final numbers.

41:24>> Just roll it out. Drum roll please.

41:26>> Did I caution? Did I Was that enough?

41:29>> Because I uh I should have told

41:31everybody to take some Atlanta before

41:33they came here in the morning. That's

41:35exactly the number.

41:36>> Okay. Go ahead.

41:38>> Right. Right. So, um so here's here's uh

41:41the you know the the the first the

41:44repair this is one number that we have

41:47up there. uh renew would be that number

41:51is uh you know so 30 and 65 replace you

41:55know if you figure 15 million a station

41:58approximately in today's dollars uh

42:01times 10 is 150 million so the total

42:05program is you know

42:08250 million or so plus or minus

42:12>> okay

42:12>> has been a good idea for our

42:15Are you done? [laughter]

42:19>> Okay,

42:19>> Mr. Chair, if I may, I just to uh to

42:21kind of segue into some of the more

42:24salient points I think for for council.

42:27Um just want to point out that um

42:30technically you can consider all these

42:32replace with a few exceptions to be

42:34replaceable stations. I think one of the

42:37big achievements of this study was was

42:40proving both design and costwise that we

42:42could in fact renew 12 stations. So the

42:45costs to renew a station are

42:47substantially less than replacing a

42:48station especially when you get into

42:50site identification stuff like that. So

42:52I think that was part of the soul of the

42:54study and I think is one of the great um

42:56advantages of looking at everything

42:59comprehensively but particularly this

43:01manifestation of the plan. We tried to

43:03replace as few as we have to and um this

43:06is the numbers we came up with at the

43:07end of this study. So I'll mention that

43:09also to mention if we could go back to

43:10the map

43:11>> D the map that shows how this program

43:14works. Um

43:17part of what we're able to do is we have

43:19identified some sites already and I

43:21think you're all familiar with the one

43:23for fire station 23. Um but some of

43:25these sites are the building brighter

43:27futures school sites. There's also some

43:29other school sites that where the

43:31schools had been closed um prior to the

43:33building brighter futures that wound up

43:36being very good candidates for

43:39replacement sites and we did the deck

43:40and score studies and everything like

43:42that in conjunction with fire. Um I will

43:45mention there are some obviously we have

43:46not quite yet identified sites for so

43:48that's one of the exercises we will

43:50continue to go through in the spirit

43:52that we've approached um some of the

43:54replacements today.

43:55>> Okay. So, $245 million.

44:01>> Mhm.

44:02>> To rehab

44:04to uh rehab, repair, renew, and replace

44:09245. So, to repair 30 million, to renew

44:1465 million, and to replace

44:17one, two, three, four, five, six, seven,

44:19eight, nine, 10. That would be um $150

44:23million. So

44:27ladies and gentlemen,

44:30tell us where the money's coming from

44:33and what do you need out of the gate to

44:35start. So Mr. Chairman, the the good

44:39news is that while this plan was being

44:43developed,

44:45uh we did a test project with Leopardo

44:48on the police districts.

44:49>> Yes.

44:50>> And that worked out exceedingly well.

44:54So, we as the administration and we're

44:56going to be working with council, we

44:58have a comfort level with moving forward

45:01with a project related to fire stations

45:04and we hope to to get uh council

45:07comfortable with that as well. And it

45:10would be based upon similar to the

45:12police districts based upon energy

45:14efficiency savings as well as

45:17procurement savings. And we can, you

45:20know, give this committee the the

45:21presentation we gave at at MSP committee

45:24as needed. Yes.

45:25>> But the but if we go back to the um the

45:28slides with the 265 million

45:32>> um what and and you know, we're not

45:36going to get into, you know, all of the

45:38logistics of how it's going to be funded

45:40except to say that we believe that we'll

45:43be able to move forward with the repair

45:45and the renew at the same time. and and

45:49and what that would do is it would bring

45:51just like the police districts, it would

45:53bring all of the fire stations, not just

45:56in livable condition, but it would meet

46:00um um you know, the the health and

46:03safety, the um other other things that

46:06we've gone through for every single of

46:08the of the fire stations, even the ones

46:10that eventually would be replaced.

46:13That is down the road. We don't know the

46:15sequencing of stations. We don't know

46:18those would have to be budgeted through

46:19the capital plan. We don't know when

46:21each of those would happen. So, every

46:23single station outside of 26 would

46:25receive um a a hefty um amount of

46:29rehabilitation.

46:31>> Okay. But if uh to the director and to

46:33the team here at the table, obviously

46:36you know right now or you have a good

46:39estimation of what needs to be replaced

46:43right now, what stations need to be

46:45replaced right now and due to their

46:48condition, what stations need to be

46:50rehabbed right now. So do you have that

46:53list? Do you have that priority list to

46:57say to the citizens of Cleveland and the

46:59city council, these are the five or six

47:01stations we have to do like now? Do we

47:04do you have that?

47:05>> So, um, Mr. Chairman, so if um, so we

47:10believe that we'll be able to roll out a

47:12financing plan that would cover all of

47:15the stations. If if folks are concerned

47:19that the cost of of of all of those

47:22stations is too high, we could

47:23prioritize them. But what we will be

47:26rolling out and propose is uh a 24-month

47:30project for all of the police or the

47:35fire at EMS stations. So that would be

47:3725 stations in 2-year period.

47:42>> Okay. And when will that be coming to

47:43us? Uh we we will be we we finished the

47:48energy efficiency analysis um last two

47:53uh a two two weeks ago almost. When our

47:57staff finishes it, we'll be delivering

47:58it to the policy analysts and uh council

48:01members and we hope to be back at city

48:04council with introduction of legislation

48:06for financing in uh November

48:11>> of this year.

48:12>> Yes, sir. So this will this will be

48:15whatever you're planning to do will be

48:17part of the capital plan.

48:19>> Uh this would um so the the the benefit

48:22of um the benefit of going through an

48:26energy efficiencies

48:28contract.

48:28>> Yes.

48:29>> Is that it does not use capital bonds.

48:32>> Okay.

48:32>> So the so it is debt that the city takes

48:35on.

48:35>> Yes. But that debt is repaid through

48:38both the energy efficiency savings and

48:41the procurement savings

48:42>> like you did with La Parro.

48:44>> Exactly. And they give us a guarantee.

48:47>> So there's there's a guarantee that we

48:49have to guarantee to maintain the

48:50systems they're put into place. They

48:52guarantee that if we don't receive the

48:55savings that um is anticipated

48:58um then they would cut us a check. So

49:01what this does is it allows us to take

49:03on debt that doesn't go against our um

49:07debt capacity with the uh with the

49:10bonding agencies.

49:11>> Okay. Now we all know and for the

49:13viewing public I mean part of our

49:15challenge here that we're confronted

49:16with today is that through one

49:20administration after another that can

49:22was kicked down the the road with regard

49:25to not only fire stations but police

49:28stations and other city facilities. So,

49:30we all know, I've talked about it for

49:32years, uh, with like with the director

49:34here about the condition of the

49:36districts, the condition of the

49:38firehouses, uh, from a standpoint of

49:40public safety, but all of us have seen

49:42the conditions of rec centers, parks,

49:45and playgrounds, and anything else the

49:47city owns. Um, it's been a band-aid

49:50approach to dealing with city buildings.

49:53But, um, but this is a very heavy lift

49:56of $245 million. That's in today's

50:00dollars. Correct.

50:02>> That's right.

50:02>> And I don't expect I don't expect prices

50:04to diminish or to decrease. So, um, and

50:09that's why it's important that when you

50:13submit your list that you can clearly

50:16justify these are the stations that need

50:19to be addressed immediately

50:22due to conditions that they're in. Um,

50:27I'm just trying to in my own brain here

50:29trying to understand with all the other

50:31challenges that we're confronted with

50:33with other city buildings and issues in

50:36each of our wards with structures or

50:39parks or playgrounds and everything else

50:41we're confronted with is um is how do we

50:45identify the funds um to do what we need

50:49to do here, which is critical. We have

50:51to make sure our buildings are safe for

50:54our employees, our police, fire, EMS,

50:58our men and women in blue, but all city

51:00employees and all the other facilities

51:01as well. We got to make sure that

51:02they're in proper setting and proper

51:04conditions. Um because I know there's a

51:06lot of buildings that are in great need

51:08of repair. So, um that's going to be the

51:12challenge for us in council and the

51:14administration is how do we identify the

51:16dollars? I don't know where the mayor

51:18was going to get the 600 million for the

51:20park he wanted to put down here where

51:22Burke airport is at. Maybe that's I

51:25don't know where where that money was

51:27coming. So So maybe can someone tell me

51:28where that money was coming from? The

51:30600 million

51:32>> um through the chairman of the

51:34councilman. I'm not aware of that money

51:35coming from the city. So I I don't know.

51:38But I can't say that the the benefit of

51:40what we're proposing if we go through

51:43the Leopardo model, we would be

51:45proposing $100 million to do all of the

51:49stations,

51:50>> both the repair elements and the

51:54substantial renovations, additions that

51:56are needed for the renew. So the funding

51:58stream would be there if we get a

52:00comfort level from council to move

52:02forward. And what that would do is that

52:04that alleviates some of the burden on

52:06the capital budget with bonding dollars

52:09so that those dollars could be put into

52:11other facilities.

52:12>> Yeah. Okay. Cuz we still haven't been

52:14given the quote unquote lakefront plan

52:17for the area to the west of the Mather

52:20and then what will happen uh where the

52:22when there's a big hole in the ground

52:24when the Brown stadium is allegedly

52:26demolished. So again, I'm trying to

52:29understand where all these dollars are

52:30going to come. Firehouses and police

52:33stations and EMS facet are critical.

52:35That should be number one on our

52:37priority list. Uh we've got to make sure

52:39that they're they're good because when

52:41when we call when our citizens call for

52:44a a fire, we want somebody there and we

52:47want in a proper facility, want them to

52:50be properly equipped and in the proper

52:52stations. And so we as as council

52:55members, we're going to have and I've

52:57said this to council president this

52:59week. Um we're going to really have to

53:02talk internally. What do we define as

53:05our priorities? And our priorities

53:07should be quality of life for our

53:09citizens and our neighborhoods. Uh to

53:12think about glitz and glamour and pie in

53:14the sky projects is not going to cut it.

53:17It's not cutting it with me. I I want to

53:20see things happen in our neighborhoods

53:22that are meaningful. So, fixing fire

53:25stations and police stations are

53:26meaningful because I've heard one of my

53:28colleagues after another in my time here

53:31complain about the conditions of police

53:33stations and conditions of firehouses

53:35because they're advocating on behalf of

53:37the employees and our men and women in

53:39blue um who serve our citizens. So,

53:43okay, I'm going to open it up for

53:45questions at this time. I'm going start

53:46with the vice chair first. Yes, I will.

53:48I help you down, sir. I will. I will.

53:51>> Vice Chair, Mr. Star,

53:54>> thank you, Dean. Um, my couple line of

53:57questions are um simple and wanted to

53:59make sure I ask and not knock over your

54:03water with your

54:04>> Okay, I got it.

54:05>> Water department bottle

54:07>> utilities.

54:08>> That's right.

54:09>> He chaired that.

54:10>> Cleveland water. That's who we're

54:11drinking.

54:12>> Yeah, he chaired that um a few decades

54:15ago, that committee. So,

54:17Um, one of the things I just from this

54:21ordinance when I look at it is

54:24u when I was doing some research over

54:26the night last night as we kept knowing

54:28that this was coming on I see we're

54:30actually doing this actual u report and

54:34we're doing an assessment of different

54:35infrastructure needs improvements

54:39only thing I want to know is what is our

54:42actual plan and our timeline to get

54:45things started and get completed. to the

54:47chair,

54:48>> whoever can answer that.

54:49>> Yes. So, through the chairman, the

54:50councilman. So, um this is the plan.

54:54This is outlining the problems, we'll be

54:56coming back to city council with an

54:58ordinance to finance the improvements

55:00that we're discussing today. And so if

55:03council approves um that um the if

55:07passes the ordinance and we're going to

55:09have to work together on comfort levels

55:11of hundred million dollar contract for

55:14all of the fire at EMS stations at the

55:16same time it would be completed in two

55:18years. So if we pass this year in all

55:23likelihood construction would start over

55:25the wintertime and it would be a

55:27two-year project cycle for all of the

55:29all the stations. And then thank you,

55:31director. And I know um Dean Venz again

55:34asked um some questions of us being able

55:37to receive information. I just want to

55:39reiterate, can we get something that

55:42sent over to council so we can

55:43understand on which facilities are like

55:46the highest priority? Um, and how

55:48quickly can we begin, like you said,

55:50possibly this this winter, possibly um

55:54with a two-year time frame to be able to

55:56do all the ones that we seen from this

55:59actual presentation. So, I just want to

56:01make sure I clarify uh what I am asking

56:03is can we get that list over to be able

56:06to determine based on the different

56:08tiers of high priority and then

56:10something that possibly needs repair but

56:12it doesn't need something prepared

56:14tomorrow or it needs to be repaired

56:15within the next year or two as opposed

56:18to just saying hey all this is rolling

56:19out. I would love to make sure we get

56:21that from council u through the chair

56:23>> through through the chair councilman

56:25star. Absolutely. the plan that that's

56:28being presented they have that have that

56:30information and the key thing to this is

56:32that all of the fire station will be

56:35worked on at the same time that's

56:36[clears throat] why we believe that it

56:39can be done I believe it's will be done

56:40within the 24 24 months or less you

56:43think about the five police uh districts

56:46that was done in less than a year 10

56:48months they'll be done and so forth with

56:49all the re renovations and replacement

56:51of all the uh HVAC systems and so forth

56:54so the plan is to do the same thing

56:55through Leo part through the financing

56:57and so forth little part to do that

56:59within two years or less with all of the

57:02fire stations um all of the fire

57:04stations we're mentioning here with the

57:06exception of 26 which is the the the new

57:08fire station but we're going to do it

57:10all at the same time. We'll get you to

57:11list the priority. They're all

57:13priorities. Let me put it that way. They

57:14are all priorities. Every single one of

57:17them are priorities. Every single one of

57:18them will be repaired.

57:20>> And then um I definitely since we're

57:24talking about fire, um also want to know

57:27is what is our actual plan? Um if anyone

57:30at the table can speak to regarding our

57:33fire station that have closed in the

57:35city of Cleveland, meaning we have some

57:38fire station that are no longer

57:39operating. They are just buildings.

57:42Particular one off of each 67th in

57:44Woodland has been vacant for numerous

57:46years. Uh what are we doing with the old

57:50fire stations that we may have in our

57:51neighborhoods that are no longer

57:54operating? Is there anything or any

57:56plans where they're going to continue to

57:57sit and become an eyesore and become

58:00just

58:02>> vacant buildings?

58:03>> That's a very good point he raises.

58:05>> Uh through the chair to to Councilman

58:06Stark. Again, great questions. Uh I know

58:09that we're working on um trying to

58:11figure out what we're going to do with

58:12those particular buildings in particular

58:14to the one you mentioned on I believe

58:16Woodland. I believe

58:16>> 67 the Woodland Woodland. Yes. I grew up

58:18on 66 in Woodland my entire life. So,

58:20that one's vacant and MOAP, uh, I'm sure

58:22they're working on plans for that

58:24particular building. Also, there's a

58:27building on 116th right by Lukester

58:29Park. Uh, that's no longer active fire

58:32station. However, that is a EMS uh

58:35facility that we have EMS operating out

58:37of there. We also have some fire

58:39apparatuses that's in that particular

58:40building. So, our plan is not to have

58:42them just sit. Great point about

58:44Woodland. So again, through mocap and uh

58:47through development u trying to

58:49determine whether or not to sell those

58:51particular buildings or repurpose them

58:53for other other uses.

58:55>> Okay. Could you provide us a list as

58:57well of the vacant firehouses that are

59:00still under the control of the city and

59:02what they're being utilized for or if

59:04they're just empty and secure. And I'm

59:06hoping if they're empty, they are they

59:08are secured. Um, but what I what I just

59:12want to say with council, I was thinking

59:15Monday night when the councilman spoke

59:18um about the fire, how he's advocating

59:21on behalf of his constituents and the

59:23victims over at Rainbow, the the

59:26terrible fire over at Rainbow Terrace.

59:28Um, how critical fire response is.

59:32and you don't realize it, and no one

59:35realizes until there's a fire at your

59:37house or on your street,

59:39>> how critical it is to have that fire uh

59:42response. I was thinking about it and I

59:45looked at I guess it was a drone picture

59:47of the buildings,

59:48>> how critical it was for fire to get

59:50there as quickly as they could because

59:53it could have been far worse than what

59:54it was. But I I when the councilman was

59:56speaking, I was thinking about that the

59:58whole time. Councilman.

59:59>> Yes. And from that standpoint, it was,

1:00:01like I said, a unreal moment when I got

1:00:04there and I noticed we had roughly about

1:00:068 to 10 trucks fighting the fire. And

1:00:09what I mean fighting the fire, they were

1:00:11working in shifts to be able to cool

1:00:13down themselves as they continue for um

1:00:16multiple days to try to get control of

1:00:19the fire and actually put it out from it

1:00:21continue to respspark. But also

1:00:24something I I definitely want to ask is

1:00:26one of the biggest challenges because I

1:00:28heard from that actual fire was the

1:00:30actual fire station that is lo located

1:00:33that was located on Kinsman right off of

1:00:36um not 79 77th and Kinsman. I forgot the

1:00:39actual fire station. I know

1:00:40>> 26 26

1:00:43>> station 26.

1:00:44>> Um I know they just moved right up the

1:00:46street to like 90th. Um, one of the

1:00:49things is when that day happened, um, I

1:00:52was able to get the reports that Station

1:00:5426 was not on the first call to respond

1:00:59due to the fact that they were out, um,

1:01:02trying to turn off fire hose or fire

1:01:06hydrants rather.

1:01:08So my question is, what what is our

1:01:11plans to assist? Like

1:01:15I think when it get a hot day and you

1:01:17get number eight, you get areas and

1:01:18neighborhoods who don't got access um to

1:01:21a pool and walking distance,

1:01:24they start cutting on the fire hydrants.

1:01:27Have we ever explored

1:01:30um ways to be

1:01:33in collaboration with the community

1:01:35about ways to be able to make sure

1:01:37they're not just cutting them on because

1:01:39this this fire explosion took place

1:01:42right around the corner from where

1:01:44station 26 is. And they were not being

1:01:47able to they were not able to be the

1:01:49first to respond because they probably

1:01:50was across town or in in different

1:01:52neighborhoods trying to close and turn

1:01:54off fire hydra. So, do we have actually

1:01:56a strategy in twofold? One, um, make

1:02:00sure we put dollars to ensure that all

1:02:02of our pools are actually operating

1:02:04because one of the things that's been a

1:02:05challenge for MOAP as well as parks and

1:02:08recreation is ensuring that all of our

1:02:10outdoor pools are operating. Um, I know

1:02:14we have different master plans, but I

1:02:16think it should be a top priority

1:02:17because at the end of the day, this is

1:02:19going into October and we're gonna have

1:02:21a blink of an eye in less than eight

1:02:23months is going to be summer again and

1:02:26then we're going to have a reevolving

1:02:28problem continues to happen. So, I just

1:02:30want to put that on the radar u for

1:02:31everyone um regarding how do we make

1:02:34sure we have fire player firefighters in

1:02:37the right position in case a fire

1:02:39explosion or fire takes place without

1:02:41them having to be elsewhere trying to

1:02:43cut off fire hydrants. How do we really

1:02:45collaborate with the neighborhoods to

1:02:48ensure they understand what happens? And

1:02:50then also um I would say one of the

1:02:52things that have been problematic for me

1:02:54is in in in Carver Park area um a lot of

1:02:57folks cut off to cut open up the fire

1:02:59hydrants in public housing and then the

1:03:01water pressure decreases inside the

1:03:03homes and see inside of our facilities

1:03:06such as from the end where their water

1:03:08is not going through because anyone you

1:03:11just get a ratchet or or a socket and

1:03:13you can cut on the fire holes. So is

1:03:15there any way that we can do some stuff?

1:03:17Um, I know in in New York they have some

1:03:19different things where they do have some

1:03:22type of operating of fire holes um in

1:03:24the community. I just want us to really

1:03:26sit down and figure out what we're

1:03:27actually doing from that. But then just

1:03:30back to this really um overall I know on

1:03:33Monday in our municipal services um

1:03:36properties committee we heard from MOAP

1:03:39and Leopardo and they talked about um

1:03:41the ability that we did and the

1:03:43structure we were intentional on

1:03:45improving all five police districts with

1:03:48the upgrades in approximately 10 months

1:03:51through us being able to save dollars

1:03:53from the model that Leoardo um actually

1:03:55work. Um we know that that model works.

1:03:58We saved dollars. We got things up and

1:04:00going. Um, which is important. But I

1:04:03wanted to see do we are we planning to

1:04:06use that similar model to be able to

1:04:09operate and fix up all of our fires and

1:04:12EMS stations to make sure that they are

1:04:15up the road. I know I heard the two-year

1:04:17time frame. Um, and I know we have more

1:04:20fire and police I mean fire and EMS

1:04:23stations than than the amount of um

1:04:26police stations we have. You know, I

1:04:29just want to know

1:04:30where are we at in the overall arching

1:04:33process um for us as a council to expect

1:04:36that actual proposal to be delivered to

1:04:38us. What a potential time frame. I know

1:04:40director mentioned trying to get some

1:04:42stuff right get this through today and

1:04:44you're coming back with um some more

1:04:46legislation with a goal of two years but

1:04:49can we be more intentional or more in

1:04:51depth so we can understand what we're

1:04:53trying to do to make sure um safety is a

1:04:55top priority for our neighborhoods

1:04:57>> whoever can so Mr. Mr. Chairman of the

1:04:59Councilman. Um, let me be super clear.

1:05:02This is all about making improvements to

1:05:05every single one of the fire stations

1:05:07within a 2-year period. It's going to

1:05:09cost $100 million, and we're going to

1:05:11bring legislation to city council within

1:05:14the next 3 4 weeks that you can debate

1:05:17and consider, but we hope that you'll

1:05:19take this journey with us so that we can

1:05:21have all the fire stations and EMS uh

1:05:24buildings improved within a 2-year

1:05:27period. perfect two-year pro two-year

1:05:30period to make sure we have all of them

1:05:32improved. And I would definitely think

1:05:34that is important um just to make sure

1:05:37we do that. And I know I would

1:05:38definitely reach offline to talk about

1:05:40some of the other um concerns that I

1:05:42brought up to work with you director um

1:05:46Moap D. Roza as well as the safety

1:05:48director Drummond to figure out where we

1:05:50could actually work together um to

1:05:52ensure that we we solve some of these

1:05:55issues. Like I said,

1:05:56>> thank you. We got to make sure these

1:05:57pools are open. We got to be able to put

1:06:00dollars there to be able to get them to

1:06:01to renovate and I know we're doing the

1:06:04renovations to Lonnie Burton. So,

1:06:06whatever we need to do to be able to

1:06:07make sure that pool is open or figure

1:06:09out that long-term strategy, I think

1:06:11that's a top priority so I can be able

1:06:14to um attribute or point to the

1:06:16residents that's in close walking

1:06:18distance and say, "Hey, you don't need

1:06:20to turn on a fire hydrant. Go up the

1:06:22street is right here." making sure we

1:06:24all have a strategy with our um parks

1:06:27and recreation to make sure we got

1:06:29lifeguards I think I think is a top

1:06:32priority that we need to do and then

1:06:34also if we have to make tough decisions

1:06:36to say do we have too many of certain

1:06:40things open we have to really really

1:06:42start operating with understanding what

1:06:44we want and like you heard from the dean

1:06:46what is the top priority from the

1:06:48council I look forward to working with

1:06:49my colleagues to make sure we prioritize

1:06:51those things and I chair

1:06:53>> thank

1:06:54two really quick points re really quick.

1:06:56Um

1:06:57>> the fire division does have a program to

1:06:59your point uh to through the chair to

1:07:01councilman start fire division does have

1:07:03a program to staff what are called

1:07:05hydrant cars. Um that's staffed by

1:07:08officers and the fire division and

1:07:11that's so they can operate and go out

1:07:13and take care of open hydrants whereas

1:07:15that leaves the trucks in service to

1:07:18respond to emergencies. So I want to

1:07:20make sure that's that we put that out

1:07:21there. And then from that standpoint, do

1:07:23we track how many times those cars go

1:07:25out and actually provide services to our

1:07:27fire hydrants

1:07:28>> through the chair? Yes. Everything's uh

1:07:30tracked. Yes, sir.

1:07:31>> Is there a way that you can send over

1:07:32the data for the last two years, how

1:07:34many times those cars have went out to

1:07:37actually service a fire hydrant for

1:07:39rather as routine maintenance um or

1:07:42assessment of where we are at as far as

1:07:44life expectancy of those fire hydrants

1:07:47and if they're still operating. Um and

1:07:49then also if they have to go out and

1:07:51provide service to actually shut off an

1:07:54actual uh fire hydrant and how frequent

1:07:56have it is and also if we can have a map

1:07:59for where those locations are at so we

1:08:01can see if this is a high um area where

1:08:04we have to be able to cut um shut down

1:08:05the fire u because they're open too much

1:08:07or not.

1:08:08>> Thank you to the chair. We'll provide

1:08:10information.

1:08:10>> Thank you.

1:08:11>> Thank you.

1:08:11>> Thank you Councilman Jones.

1:08:13>> Mr. Chairman, I hope that the

1:08:14administration and Mr. D. Rosa and the

1:08:18the the system as a whole work with us

1:08:21in our community. We have a hund00

1:08:22million project and we've been behind

1:08:25the scenes talking about this for quite

1:08:27some time. So now I see this

1:08:29modernization program and we're not

1:08:31included in it. Um we're talking about

1:08:34um developing a state-of-the-art um

1:08:37facility that's going to be both

1:08:39residential as well as commercial and

1:08:42retail.

1:08:44And we've talked about how that fire

1:08:46station that's located on on Harvard

1:08:48Avenue, I hate to do this at the table,

1:08:50but you you put it out on the table and

1:08:52we're not talking about it. So, um it is

1:08:55the wish and the hope and prayers of our

1:08:58people to move that out of that

1:09:00development and move it somewhere else.

1:09:03And um so now I'm officially putting it

1:09:05on the table and I'm going to fight for

1:09:07it. And so um the the issue here that is

1:09:11a problem for me is a number of issues

1:09:14we have.

1:09:16What is the science uh Mr. Chairman to

1:09:19the director that you come up with as it

1:09:21relates to um the number of of fire

1:09:25apparatus stations we have?

1:09:27>> Who can answer that? And you're

1:09:28referring to House Six. Is that House?

1:09:31[clears throat]

1:09:31>> I don't I don't know what they you know

1:09:33at the end of the day it's over on

1:09:34Harvard Avenue.

1:09:35>> Okay. Thank you. Go ahead. through the

1:09:36chair council

1:09:36>> and it is station six I believe

1:09:38>> through the chair the through the

1:09:40councilman uh the information is based

1:09:42on um the calls for service uh the fire

1:09:46division um through their experts and uh

1:09:50>> so do you have a model of science that

1:09:52you can give to me I mean where I can

1:09:54visibly take a look at it and do the

1:09:55chair yes we can through the chair

1:09:56>> but I don't want to waste no time Mr.

1:09:58Chairman

1:09:58>> yeah through the chair councilman we'll

1:09:59supply for you

1:10:00>> right so and then if I have to sit down

1:10:02I'll do that and then Mr. chairman to uh

1:10:06Mr. D. Roza to the safety director. I'd

1:10:09like to go to every single one of these

1:10:11facilities. I think it's 46 in total

1:10:13we're talking about here. Is that

1:10:14correct?

1:10:15>> No.

1:10:15>> No.

1:10:15>> Through the chair councilman is 24.

1:10:17>> 24.

1:10:17>> It's 24. Yes, sir. So, this number that

1:10:20we have in front of us represents 46

1:10:22facilities. Is that correct?

1:10:24>> Through the chair represents 24.

1:10:26>> It's 24 facilities. How many facilities

1:10:29do we have total?

1:10:31We have 25 uh station 26 is new. So

1:10:35that's not going to be part of this u

1:10:37analysis.

1:10:38>> Does that also include EMS

1:10:40>> through the chair? Yes, this includes

1:10:41EMS. This analysis, this materization

1:10:43includes both fire and EMS.

1:10:46>> Okay. So I would like to if if that's

1:10:48possible to take a a look at each one of

1:10:52those facilities. And another thing too,

1:10:55Mr. Chairman, I think we need to take a

1:10:56deeper dive in terms of production. you

1:10:59know, we we have to sit here and talk

1:11:01about how we look at the way we do

1:11:05business. And we we know that we have a

1:11:08population decline. This council has

1:11:11lost two of its members consistently um

1:11:14for the last two decades. And so the

1:11:17issue is based upon population decline,

1:11:20how does those numbers still look? Are

1:11:22we still at the same levels that we were

1:11:24even with the decline of the population

1:11:27um of a million? Do we still have that

1:11:29same apparatus system that's serving

1:11:32what would be considered a million

1:11:33people versus uh now 300 roughly 60,000

1:11:37citizens

1:11:39>> through the chair the we don't have as

1:11:41many appar app apparatus or fire

1:11:43stations that we did obviously we had a

1:11:44million people um so not that we do not

1:11:47have the same amount of h

1:11:48>> how do we compare with Cincinnati and

1:11:51Columbus

1:11:52>> chair I would have to I don't have that

1:11:53information in front of me

1:11:55>> Mr. chairman, what would be, you know,

1:11:57because see, you you just can't talk

1:11:59about pouring in money unless you talk

1:12:01about how productive these systems are.

1:12:04And we know, Mr. Chairman, that we need

1:12:06more police. And we're sitting here

1:12:08talking about 265 or $245 million that

1:12:13we want to spend on this uh roughly as a

1:12:16roundoff. I think your figure is 241

1:12:18million, but by the time you get up and

1:12:20start it, you're looking at 245 million.

1:12:23Is that correct? Their estimated cost

1:12:25for all the stations, rehab, repair, and

1:12:28replacement is 245 million.

1:12:30>> I'm looking at their numbers on that

1:12:32chart. If you could pull that chart up

1:12:34for me, please.

1:12:36>> I'm talking about the chart where it

1:12:37talks about the numbers of cost and

1:12:39repair.

1:12:42>> So, we can get clarification. That's the

1:12:44one. So, down at the bottom, you have

1:12:47241,423,000.

1:12:50What does that mean? is that that's not

1:12:52is that why won't why doesn't it add up

1:12:54to 245 million that the chairman is

1:12:58talking about

1:12:59>> Mr. Chair and council member Jones um so

1:13:03the we the

1:13:06>> you see what I mean so you got you

1:13:08telling him 245 million roundoff but

1:13:10down at the bottom of the balance sheet

1:13:12here says 241 million Mr. chairman is

1:13:15what I was referencing

1:13:16>> uh through the chair to Councilman

1:13:17Jones. Um thank you for the question. Um

1:13:20cost estimation particularly based on uh

1:13:23conceptual design and even with the

1:13:26depth of analysis we did is while it's

1:13:29not an inexact science it is not a

1:13:31precise science if that's a way to

1:13:33>> you rounded it off to 200.

1:13:34>> Exactly. There's a little extra but all

1:13:36these I think we want to take this

1:13:37opportunity thanks to your question to

1:13:39make clear that these are in today's

1:13:42dollars. So waiting to do any of this is

1:13:46going to cost even more. That the

1:13:49construction cost curve far outstrips

1:13:50our capital line in terms of how much we

1:13:52can garner in any given year.

1:13:54>> So how much how are we going to pay for

1:13:55this? And the chairman asked how are we

1:13:57actually going to pay for the 245

1:13:59million? Whoever can answer or attempt

1:14:00to answer

1:14:03>> uh through the chairman of the

1:14:04councilman. So, as I've said, this would

1:14:06be through an energy efficiency savings

1:14:08contract, similar to what you heard the

1:14:11presentation on Monday for the police

1:14:13district. It's exactly the same. It's

1:14:15energy efficiency savings. It's

1:14:17procurement savings, and that would fund

1:14:19the $und00 million project. Now, what

1:14:23was on the other screen was the amount

1:14:25of money that would be needed for the

1:14:26new builds. We don't have the money for

1:14:28those new builds, so it would only be

1:14:30the hundred million that would be in the

1:14:32first two columns.

1:14:34and and and also what that provides is

1:14:36each station receives improvements. So

1:14:38there's no halves and halves not out

1:14:40with with our folks that are trying to

1:14:43um you know service our community

1:14:45>> and and and Mr. Chairman then the

1:14:48presentation need to be broken up so

1:14:49that we can understand it because this

1:14:51is correct me if I'm wrong here. This

1:14:55draft that we have on this screen here

1:14:57is talking about all of it. Correct.

1:15:00>> Uh if you could flip to the next slide

1:15:02please.

1:15:03Yes, sir.

1:15:05>> This slide illustrates what we're

1:15:07speaking of. 30 million for repair, 65

1:15:10million for renew. We're proposing that

1:15:12we could do both renew and repair

1:15:14through one contract that would be done

1:15:16in 24 months. We do not have the money

1:15:19for the 150 million that would be needed

1:15:21for replace.

1:15:24So then when we looking at this chart on

1:15:26the the second page and we go back over

1:15:28to the top page, are we trying to

1:15:30compare and contrast the color

1:15:31coordination on what's being or what

1:15:34being talked about that's going to be

1:15:36repaired?

1:15:38How do I distinguish here looking at

1:15:40this chart?

1:15:41>> Uh through the chairman and councilman,

1:15:43I don't understand your question.

1:15:45>> Well, you have here the fire station and

1:15:48EMS modernization program budget for

1:15:50repair, replace, and renew. So looking

1:15:54at this, how how do I determine or break

1:15:56out where that hundred million is going

1:15:58to be actually spent

1:16:01>> because it's all combined together

1:16:02unless we're doing it based on color

1:16:04coordination.

1:16:05>> Who can ever answer that?

1:16:07>> Um uh through the chair. Uh thank you

1:16:09Councilman. The way this chart is broken

1:16:12down, this is really to show the basic

1:16:15data of all the analysis that was done.

1:16:18So you'll notice that there's the

1:16:20repair, replace, and renew. So those

1:16:23colors coordinate in terms of on a

1:16:25stationbystation basis which category

1:16:28they fall into. All will be repaired.

1:16:31That's a given. Um some of them will

1:16:34some of those repaired stations will be

1:16:36replaced and some of them will be

1:16:38renewed. The 10 and the 12 if you will.

1:16:41So the other colors in the middle um are

1:16:44basically a determination of the urgency

1:16:47of the required repairs. It's how we

1:16:49categorize and there are different parts

1:16:51of it. confusion comes in because if if

1:16:54we're going to be working with with the

1:16:56Lonardo Group and we're talking about

1:16:58$100 million of what we're going to

1:17:00actually put in here, uh, and that's

1:17:02going to give us savings, we should have

1:17:05a a budget that's talking about that

1:17:08first 100 million. So, if the Lonardo

1:17:11group is going to be in here doing

1:17:13whatever it is that we're going to do,

1:17:15what is that and how do I determine

1:17:17that? Looking at this particular draft

1:17:20that you have in front of us

1:17:21>> through the chairman of the councilman.

1:17:22So, today's presentation is on the EMS

1:17:24and fire station modernization plan. So,

1:17:27this outlines the analysis that was

1:17:29done. It outlines the problem. We'll be

1:17:31bringing forth to city council

1:17:33legislation related to the financing and

1:17:36we'll also be submitting information to

1:17:38council members and the policy analysts

1:17:39on council related to le the Leopardo

1:17:42project. This is not related to how they

1:17:45might fund that project through what

1:17:47savings what the energy efficiencies

1:17:49are. This was never included in this

1:17:52plan because this started well before we

1:17:54even did the test pilot with Leopardo.

1:17:56So you're not going to find that

1:17:58information in this particular chart.

1:18:00But the next set of legislation, that

1:18:02next piece of legislation and all the

1:18:04information that comes along with it, it

1:18:06illustrates and provides the data behind

1:18:08it.

1:18:09>> And and Mr. Chairman, and this is where

1:18:10the confusion comes in to make the

1:18:12presentation now, because what we're

1:18:15talking about here is a draft that has

1:18:17been previously done. It's 241 million

1:18:20roughly. And then when you round it off

1:18:22to when you actually get the project

1:18:23moving, you're saying 245 million

1:18:26possibly. And so it would be important

1:18:30for me to be able to understand what and

1:18:34is uh any of this work that we've

1:18:37already put together. Will this group

1:18:40that's going to be the outside group are

1:18:42they going to take part of this or or

1:18:44will it be something totally different

1:18:46and maybe not even included here?

1:18:48Because we know Mr. Chairman to the

1:18:50director that the Lonardo group did a

1:18:53lot of u solar panels on the buildings.

1:18:56Will they be talking about solar panels

1:18:58on the buildings here? Uh are we talking

1:19:01about uh changing the HVACs and doing

1:19:05the heater systems? Uh is that also a

1:19:08part of this 24

1:19:10uh 1 million estimate that we have right

1:19:12now? I mean, I don't know the

1:19:14difference. If if you could help me

1:19:16understand that, then I'll know exactly

1:19:18what I'm looking at. Or is this 245

1:19:21million estimate, Mr. chairman going to

1:19:24be separate from the Lonardo group's um

1:19:27presentations on what they're going to

1:19:28do.

1:19:29>> It's Laro, by the way. Laro and but I'm

1:19:33assuming

1:19:34>> there is a difference, Mr. Chairman, and

1:19:35we need to make sure that we're clear

1:19:37here when we make decisions at this

1:19:38table. That's the reason why I'm asking

1:19:40the question

1:19:41>> and Councilman, they're they they have

1:19:43to present to us for each house what

1:19:47they're going to do just as they did on

1:19:49the fire stations. I mean on police

1:19:51stations you're going to provide to us a

1:19:53list each building because you're going

1:19:56to in that first batch which is going to

1:19:58total a hundred million you're going to

1:20:00have to tell us what you're going to do

1:20:02on each of those and you said it will be

1:20:04that will be a two-year process.

1:20:06>> Yes sir.

1:20:07>> Now the money the 150 million that

1:20:10you've indicated uh for the replacement

1:20:13you have you have not identified where

1:20:16those funds are coming from. Correct.

1:20:17>> Correct. Those would be through the

1:20:18chairman capital budgets in the future.

1:20:21>> Okay. Councilman

1:20:22>> and Mr. Chairman, you know, when when

1:20:24we're looking at this, I mean, I I know

1:20:28a number of my colleagues may have went

1:20:29through some of this, but as I just

1:20:31briefly go through some of it, some of

1:20:33it, you know, I have questions and it it

1:20:35would be too many questions to uh Mr.

1:20:38Chairman to ask here uh with the time

1:20:40allotment that we have. Um so this these

1:20:44stations that we have now, I'd like to

1:20:46go if that's okay with Mr. Mr. Chairman

1:20:47to Mr. D. Roza to really to to go out

1:20:50here to these particular stations, take

1:20:53a look at exactly what we're talking

1:20:55about, give me a general idea with my

1:20:57eyes on the ground. I want to feel in

1:20:59touch what you're what you're you're

1:21:01bringing here in terms of a presentation

1:21:03before the council. And um Mr. Chairman,

1:21:06I am, you know, really concerned um you

1:21:09know, with having a more of and we

1:21:12haven't had that now in several years.

1:21:15Um, the last time we had a presentation

1:21:18about uh production and productivity

1:21:21um as it relates to our forces has been

1:21:24quite some time ago. And so I I'd like

1:21:27to know just how busy our EMS's, our

1:21:30fire stations are. And and Mr. Chairman,

1:21:32I'd like to have a breakdown on each one

1:21:34because that's really important because

1:21:36a lot of times, Mr. Chairman, we get one

1:21:39big giant scoop and then they're saying,

1:21:41"Okay, this is all this is what we're

1:21:42doing overall." But we we don't we can't

1:21:45judge, we can't anticipate, we don't

1:21:48understand exactly the productions of

1:21:51our systems. And the reason why I bring

1:21:53that out is because understanding that

1:21:56gives us an opportunity, Mr. Chairman,

1:21:58to really make the decisions here that

1:22:00we need to make as a executive group on

1:22:03what we keep and what we don't keep. Are

1:22:05we are we are we do we need more police

1:22:08stations, more fire stations, or do we

1:22:10need less? uh we haven't even had that

1:22:13kind of a conversation yet. And so I

1:22:15think that Mr. Chairman, when we start

1:22:17talking about as a council making a

1:22:19decision on $245 million worth of

1:22:22investments, uh we should at least know

1:22:25where we are as relates to our systems

1:22:28and how efficient they are. And I can

1:22:30tell you, Mr. chairman, as I sit here at

1:22:32the end of this table, uh my people are

1:22:35always talking about police and um and

1:22:38the lack of having police and the lack

1:22:41of police response and I'm losing

1:22:43businesses in my neighborhood. We've

1:22:46lost the Walgreens in our neighborhood.

1:22:48We lost right aid in our neighborhood.

1:22:50We lost U-Haul in our neighborhood. We

1:22:52lost Family Dollar in our neighborhood.

1:22:54All because of the simple fact that

1:22:57those people decided to make decisions

1:23:00for the best interest of their employees

1:23:03and the safety of their employees and

1:23:05their customers and they felt they could

1:23:06no longer operate a business in the city

1:23:09of Cleveland.

1:23:11>> Yes.

1:23:11>> Because of the issue of not having

1:23:14protection and when they call and now

1:23:16I'm I'm working, Mr. Chairman, with with

1:23:19Dollar General who's constantly being

1:23:21broken into. So when we start talking

1:23:24about having the proper protection and

1:23:27police protection, my people are up in

1:23:29arms. I could load this entire council

1:23:31up if I call a meeting.

1:23:33>> But we're talking fireouses.

1:23:34>> I know we're talking about firehouses,

1:23:36but that's the whole point that I'm

1:23:37trying to talk about, Mr. Chairman. It's

1:23:39about safety. It's about where we need

1:23:41to put the money at where the people and

1:23:43the citizens need to be safe. If I'm

1:23:45going to rebuild or this city is going

1:23:47to be rebuilt, the first fundamental

1:23:49most important thing that we should

1:23:50always be talking about is safety.

1:23:53People don't move and stay in places

1:23:55they don't feel safe.

1:23:57>> And that's the issue, Mr. Chairman. And

1:23:59so, you know, I want to put that out on

1:24:02the table and I just want to thank you

1:24:03for your time. I do want to go, Mr.

1:24:06chairman to uh view some of these

1:24:08locations, but I don't want to I'd be

1:24:11remiss not to fight on behalf of my

1:24:13citizens talking about we need more

1:24:15police. So, when we started talking

1:24:16about $245 million and we had $511

1:24:20million at this table and ARPA funds, we

1:24:22didn't put more police on the ground. We

1:24:25should have and I argued for that and I

1:24:28have a problem with it right now that

1:24:29we're looking at $245 million and I got

1:24:33stores closing up in my community

1:24:35because of safety concerns and issues.

1:24:37Even my metro health, Mr. Chairman,

1:24:40closed down because they couldn't keep

1:24:41their people safe. That's a problem for

1:24:44me. Okay.

1:24:44>> And so I would hope that, Mr. Chairman,

1:24:46that the safety director will work with

1:24:49me in my neighborhood because it is

1:24:51still an ongoing concern. And just

1:24:53because I've been silent a little bit

1:24:54about this now,

1:24:56>> uh, doesn't mean that it's not still a

1:24:58major issue for me. So, I want to put

1:25:00that right on the administration so they

1:25:02can understand and I want to make sure

1:25:04that this council understands that this

1:25:06councilman sitting here at the table

1:25:08ain't going to be quiet about the issues

1:25:09and concerns in my neighborhood. I'm

1:25:11going to do what and I appreciate your

1:25:13leadership, Mr. Chairman.

1:25:14>> Thank you, Councilman. We have other

1:25:15members and I we all understand the

1:25:17growing concerns we have in the city.

1:25:19Um, and you've heard a request. So,

1:25:22whoever will coordinate with Councilman

1:25:24Jones for him to visit the facilities in

1:25:26question. I have Councilman Slife,

1:25:28Conwell, and Hudson. Is there anyone?

1:25:30Okay.

1:25:31>> Uh, thank you. Uh, could you please

1:25:33toggle back to one of the maps? Maybe

1:25:35the map that shows the yellow dots also.

1:25:38>> Yeah. Um,

1:25:40>> love a good map. Thank you. Um, my my

1:25:43questions are are going to be more about

1:25:46uh kind of the the decision-m process

1:25:49that got us here and and probably I' I'd

1:25:51like to receive a little bit more

1:25:54information uh if we could. I guess to

1:25:57me there's sort of a very pragmatic way

1:25:59to uh

1:26:02reinvest in our fire and EMS divisions,

1:26:05which is to make, you know, maximize the

1:26:07use of existing facilities. There's also

1:26:09a very idealistic and probably cost

1:26:11prohibitive one where we throw all of

1:26:13this out and say in a perfect world

1:26:15where we could just put things in every

1:26:18perfectly located spot, you know, what

1:26:21would this map look like? And I I sort

1:26:22of trying to find out how to rationalize

1:26:25those two things. Uh it was it was noted

1:26:28that uh a couple of the proposed

1:26:32relocation sites are

1:26:36uh you know former schools and uh

1:26:39because they were determined to be

1:26:41strategic. One of my questions has sort

1:26:43of been uh are are these strategic

1:26:46locations or are they available

1:26:48locations? So could you speak more to

1:26:50how you went through the process of at

1:26:53least identifying those specific yellow

1:26:55dots on this map and and maybe

1:26:57opportunities there might have been

1:26:58opportunities where a school site wasn't

1:27:01ideal even though it could theoretically

1:27:03be available?

1:27:06>> Um yes uh through the chairman of the

1:27:08councilman great question. Um so first

1:27:11um the the basis of knowing where we

1:27:15needed sites was this plan which told us

1:27:18which stations needed be to be replaced.

1:27:21So that in itself narrowed down the

1:27:23geography in which we're looking for new

1:27:26stations is only related to where a

1:27:28station needs replaced. Um, that being

1:27:31said, there's um a um a a a database

1:27:36system that determines response times

1:27:39from particular locations. So, if you're

1:27:42replacing a station at a particular

1:27:44location, it needs to be within a

1:27:46certain orbit of that station to

1:27:49continue to provide service to the area

1:27:52that it currently serves. Now, sometimes

1:27:54you can move a station a little bit and

1:27:56it provides better service. And

1:27:58sometimes you move the station and it

1:28:00provides not so good service. And

1:28:02sometimes it's right next to it and it

1:28:04and it's just perfect and nothing needs

1:28:05to change. But that's an analysis that

1:28:07has to happen. Now, if you look at

1:28:10certain neighborhoods that have more say

1:28:12land bank lots, which is how we

1:28:14assembled the the station 26 footprint

1:28:17was from land bank lots, there's more

1:28:20opportunities for where to move a

1:28:21station

1:28:23versus a neighborhood like your own

1:28:26which doesn't have a lot of land bank

1:28:28lots, generally doesn't have as much up

1:28:31for sale. Generally, the cost of

1:28:33everything is is more. And so that's a

1:28:36neighborhood where it does behoove you

1:28:38to look at available sites such as

1:28:41former school sites because generally

1:28:43speaking there's less sites um

1:28:45available. Um but but with that being

1:28:48said, we did look at all of the

1:28:50locations um to come up with sites that

1:28:54could work. There are certain sites that

1:28:56we we haven't found a location and those

1:29:00are highlighted on this map. But that's

1:29:02the general analysis. I can tell you

1:29:05that when we did the work for fire

1:29:06station 26, it took quite a lot of time

1:29:09to find a location that was the right

1:29:11size that had the right deck and score

1:29:15that was on a major thoroughare

1:29:17um and and to assemble the the lands

1:29:20that were needed for that station.

1:29:22>> Okay. Thank you. It's that's uh Could

1:29:23you spell that a deck score just so I

1:29:25make sure I get it right?

1:29:28>> I have to double check on that, but

1:29:30we'll sound it out. I I heard Dean, but

1:29:32I guess

1:29:32>> it's Dean. I believe it's D. Good Irish

1:29:35name. Yeah,

1:29:35>> C O N. But I'll double check.

1:29:37>> That is that is just to clarify for the

1:29:38audience, that's the that's the score to

1:29:40determine the level of service of a

1:29:42specific location.

1:29:43>> Correct. Where strategically place a

1:29:45fire station. So that's what we look at

1:29:48for the placement of fire stations. So,

1:29:50when we're looking at uh location to

1:29:51potentially uh move a fire station, we

1:29:54have to take that in consideration so we

1:29:56don't um um u mess well we don't hamper

1:30:00the ability for the firefighters to

1:30:02respond to a given location.

1:30:04>> Okay. And and that thank you through the

1:30:06chair that analysis to date has all been

1:30:09done internally within city government.

1:30:12Correct. has have we because I know that

1:30:14uh there's there's whether it's outside

1:30:17consultants or I believe the IIAFF can

1:30:20do these things like I like not not

1:30:21because I doubt you but kind of like a

1:30:23trust your mother but cut the cards like

1:30:24is it worth is it worth us sort of

1:30:27showing the results of our analysis to

1:30:29others uh to kind of reaffirm the

1:30:32analysis that we've done.

1:30:33>> Yeah. Before we we do anything as far as

1:30:36um strategically moving a fire station,

1:30:38we have to get the decking scores and if

1:30:40the def decking scores come in that it

1:30:43will hamper or increase fire um response

1:30:46and we won't at least move to that

1:30:48particular location. So it's critical

1:30:50that we have the proper decking scores

1:30:52that's done. That's analysis that's

1:30:54done. Now, we're talking about

1:30:55potentially um through this analysis

1:30:58evaluation uh closing or replacing not

1:31:01closing replacing uh several fire

1:31:03stations. As we go around through that

1:31:06process, we'll also re-evaluate um the

1:31:08deck and scores as well to make sure

1:31:10that we find the proper and strategic

1:31:13locations to place those uh replace fire

1:31:15station. Again, that's a little bit down

1:31:17the road uh relative to replacing uh

1:31:19fire station, but we will look at the

1:31:21scores. to look at the scores now and

1:31:23we'll look at the scores uh at that

1:31:25particular time when that decision is

1:31:26made.

1:31:27>> Okay. Is it could we receive through the

1:31:29chair just the full report because I am

1:31:31interested in seeing what the individual

1:31:33scores are. I'm also interested in

1:31:36seeing um kind of the drive time

1:31:39analysis from each existing and proposed

1:31:42location against what the standard level

1:31:45of service like the the the response

1:31:47time would be for uh uh for fire. the

1:31:50response time for EMS. Uh because when I

1:31:53look at this, and this isn't a

1:31:54criticism, this is just sort of where we

1:31:56are. If I lived, there's a a somewhat

1:32:00newer development east of the Jennings

1:32:02Freeway, kind of up against the valley.

1:32:04If I lived there, I'd be like, uh

1:32:06hopefully my house doesn't catch on fire

1:32:08because it seems that I'm a pretty more

1:32:10distant from both 42 and 20, if I can

1:32:14see that far correctly. So, so trying to

1:32:17figure out from that kind of that drive

1:32:19time analysis where are our existing

1:32:21gaps I think would also be helpful for

1:32:24us to know you know where we are placing

1:32:26things to I mean exactly to Councilman

1:32:28Jones's point you know do we need are

1:32:31these in the right position do we need

1:32:33more fire stations I think the so I'm

1:32:35kind of building upon my request if I

1:32:37hope I listening uh because the other

1:32:40thing I'd be interested in is the number

1:32:42of calls uh coming into each station. So

1:32:46like let's say if if 20 20 and 24 are

1:32:50pretty proximate to each other, but it's

1:32:52a very densely populated part of the

1:32:54city. So if fire and EMS are constantly

1:32:58scrambling to meet the needs because

1:33:00they're the most proximate in a dense

1:33:02part of the city, is there value in an

1:33:04infill uh because justified by the level

1:33:08of calls for service? So I' if if the

1:33:10I'd like to see if the analysis sort of

1:33:12is thinking through things like that.

1:33:14And then the final thing that I've been

1:33:16curious about, and then I'll sort of let

1:33:17you respond in total, um my

1:33:21understanding has been that for as long

1:33:24as I've been here, uh which isn't as

1:33:27long as you guys have been here, uh if I

1:33:29got into an ambulance on Greatton Road

1:33:32and requested to go to Uclid Hospital,

1:33:35they would take me to Uclid Hospital.

1:33:36And somewhat recently, we have altered

1:33:40that policy and basically said, "Yeah,

1:33:42we're Fairview is a very good hospital

1:33:43and we're going to take you to Fairview

1:33:44Hospital." And I bring it up because I

1:33:47think we ended up in situations where,

1:33:49you know, I'm

1:33:51coming home from a meeting on Shaker

1:33:53Square and pull over for an ambulance

1:33:55and it says M43. And I'm like, "What's

1:33:5843 doing over here?" They're supposed to

1:33:59be at Rocky River and Puritis, but it's

1:34:01because, you know, like they pick

1:34:03somebody up and then they have to take

1:34:05them to Fair View, but then they're the

1:34:06closest and there's almost been ends up

1:34:08being this ambulance creep where at a

1:34:09certain point an ambulance ends up way

1:34:12distant from where we are sort of trying

1:34:14to stage. And I'd be interested in

1:34:16understanding how our in addition to

1:34:19just our our EMS calls for service if

1:34:23there's been changes in response times

1:34:25as we've paired back that policy and

1:34:27been able to more effectively kind of

1:34:30respond to the city within zones and and

1:34:33know and if we are achieving that which

1:34:35I would hope that we are do we need to

1:34:37be identifying other opportunities for

1:34:41maybe standalone EMS facilities like

1:34:44what I think exists in Councilman Kazy's

1:34:46ward uh off of 130th because of of any

1:34:52particularities about EMS call volume.

1:34:54So th those are those are sort of my big

1:34:56questions coming into all of this. I

1:34:59think we're all alongside my colleagues

1:35:02very eager to make investments in in

1:35:06these facilities. They need them. The

1:35:08workers deserve it. Uh but I I want to

1:35:10just kind of understand all the cards

1:35:13that we have before us before I fully

1:35:16commit to playing a specific hand.

1:35:18>> Thank you

1:35:20>> to the to the chair councilman. There's

1:35:21a lot that you you put on the table and

1:35:23I also hope that I also get grab all the

1:35:26information so we can respond

1:35:28accordingly. Um yeah, we we do uh as far

1:35:31as going back to the the division of

1:35:32fire, the decking scores are extremely

1:35:34important as we are again the de the

1:35:38deck and scores are are extremely

1:35:40important as we analyze where to uh

1:35:43place the fire station strategically. Um

1:35:46again before we um replace a fire

1:35:49station we we an do those uh analysis

1:35:54and make sure that the stations are uh

1:35:56put strategically will not hamper again

1:35:59response times. EMS um again some of the

1:36:02policies have changed and we'll have to

1:36:04get you information as far as uh how

1:36:05that that the numbers that you're

1:36:08looking for. We'll have to get that

1:36:09information for you. Um, and as you

1:36:13know, EMS wagons are are are dynamically

1:36:16staged. Uh, so in the situations you're

1:36:19talking about, so no, um, areas left u

1:36:22uncovered. So, but again, we'll get the

1:36:24information that you asked for.

1:36:26>> Okay. Thank you. And I'll close just by

1:36:27saying it's premature to talk about it

1:36:29now, but as this unravels, I I will

1:36:33there will also be a conversation at

1:36:34some point about what the city does, how

1:36:36the city disposes of surplus real

1:36:38estate. Uh and and I know just one on

1:36:41here specifically uh 39 is a historic

1:36:45building. It's not designated as such.

1:36:47Maybe it could be, but it is part of the

1:36:50original West Park Village, you know,

1:36:52municipal complex. And I want us to be

1:36:53thinking about, you know, if if the

1:36:56existing 43 that, you know, no love lost

1:37:00there, but I want us to think about, you

1:37:01know, how these things can be repurposed

1:37:03in our community in the same way that uh

1:37:06the Vanguards have been doing with the

1:37:08old 26. So, we'll talk about that though

1:37:10when the time comes. Yeah.

1:37:11>> Thank you. I appreciate it. I was going

1:37:12to mention that, but you steal my

1:37:13thunder. I wanted to talk about 26,

1:37:15which the Vanguards is using that

1:37:16particular facility. Thank you.

1:37:18>> Thank you, Councilman Conwell.

1:37:20>> Thank you very much. you know, um,

1:37:22Sunday I, uh, visit, um, station 10

1:37:26through the chair and I sit down with

1:37:29the, uh, the firefighters

1:37:33because, you know, I like to get an

1:37:35understanding of what's going on and I

1:37:37talk with them. You know, I hear you

1:37:39guys at the table, but the uh,

1:37:41employees, they like it when you get

1:37:44into the bowels to find out what's going

1:37:46on.

1:37:47I even uh because you know I've been

1:37:49here for a while. I went on ride alongs

1:37:52also with the um fire department. I see

1:37:55how some people think they just go there

1:37:57and they put water and do surround and

1:37:59drown but when they um they plan they

1:38:03actually sit and plan before they uh

1:38:06make it to a fire through the um chair

1:38:08to the safety director. And um some

1:38:11people even think when they see

1:38:12firefighters on the outside of a

1:38:14building while the fire is going on that

1:38:17they're just talking, you know, they

1:38:18radioing to the other firefighters

1:38:20what's going on in the outer skirts of

1:38:23the fire or the exterior of the fire.

1:38:26It's a science. It's systems that they

1:38:29have in place. It's very interesting.

1:38:31and um saying that and a matter of fact

1:38:35I even used to go on ride alongs with

1:38:37the uh with EMS and I was told that we

1:38:40can't do that anymore. Can we still do

1:38:42that through the chair to the safety

1:38:44director?

1:38:45>> Whoever could answer that

1:38:46>> through the chair ride alongs with to

1:38:48Councilman Conwell with the EMS

1:38:50>> EMS EMS as well as with the

1:38:52firefighters. I used to go on ride

1:38:53alongs with them

1:38:54>> through through the cherry. Yes, we it's

1:38:56generally not necessarily on the wagons

1:38:57but uh with the captains.

1:39:00with EMS. Um I did go with the captains

1:39:04um and with the um I remember being at

1:39:06the fire station and when the fire would

1:39:09kick in because I wanted to understand I

1:39:12wanted to get a better understanding of

1:39:15the science and the systems and the

1:39:17structures is is there systems in place.

1:39:20They just don't go uh out there to put a

1:39:23fire out. They before they get there,

1:39:25they're planning. They're planning. So

1:39:28even with the firefighters, can we still

1:39:30go for ride alongs with them

1:39:31>> through the chair? Yes, but not

1:39:33necessarily under apparatus. You can go

1:39:35with the battalion chief.

1:39:37>> Man, I went with the apparatus. You were

1:39:40the commander of the fifth district at

1:39:42the time and this was back in 2006.

1:39:46And I read along with them and then I

1:39:48would go riding with EMS because I

1:39:50wanted to get an uplose view what was

1:39:52going on. And um was very interesting

1:39:56even with the EMS uh and I would even

1:39:58sit at the call takers. Matter of fact,

1:40:00I was the safety chair at that time and

1:40:03I wanted to know what was going on. So

1:40:05um I would visit the call takers as

1:40:07well. Yeah. Through the chair,

1:40:08Councilman Cowell. Yes, we can arrange

1:40:10for you to ride with EMS as well as uh

1:40:12the fire fighters as well as uh going up

1:40:15to dispatch so you can uh listen to some

1:40:17of the calls coming in.

1:40:19>> Okay. Now, let me move on. I want to

1:40:21thank you to the chair. When you guys

1:40:24were um rehabbing and um and um

1:40:29repairing the roof on uh station number

1:40:3230, I would call you, you would take my

1:40:34calls right away. Um you let my

1:40:37residents know what was going on when

1:40:40that station was closed down. Now, you

1:40:42know, when you do what you're doing with

1:40:45some of these stations, you're gonna

1:40:46have to reach out to the residents to

1:40:48let them know because if they um think

1:40:51there might be interruption in services,

1:40:55um you you have fear and I talk with you

1:40:58about it and you would send people to

1:41:00True Vine Baptist Church to always give

1:41:02a progress review what was going on. And

1:41:05you talked about I think it was um

1:41:07station number 10 as well as station

1:41:10number 31 and you let the residents know

1:41:13in Glennville what kind of systems did

1:41:16you put in place safety director to

1:41:18protect them. So are you going to still

1:41:21do that while we go along this process

1:41:23through the chair councilman Conwald?

1:41:25Yes, absolutely. We're going to

1:41:26socialize to neighbors and so forth, but

1:41:29the ideally what we'd like to do is what

1:41:31we did with the or leopardo, not me, but

1:41:33Leopardo, uh what they did with the uh

1:41:36five police districts. Um they did not

1:41:39close the districts. They worked around

1:41:41uh the officers at the particular

1:41:43districts and so forth. And that now

1:41:45when there's disruption, uh that was

1:41:47that um made well in advance so we can

1:41:50notify the our community and so forth.

1:41:52The same thing here with um the um 245

1:41:55stations that we're talking about uh

1:41:57rehabbing or

1:41:59>> um we are working with the community. Um

1:42:02if there's a time where for example we

1:42:05may have to replace a roof that's you

1:42:07know that's significant and so forth as

1:42:08we deal with 30 we'll make the proper

1:42:10notification uh readjust apparatus and

1:42:14so forth. But to answer your question

1:42:16we'll notify not only council but also

1:42:18our community members.

1:42:20>> That's important. That's important. So,

1:42:22thank you very much for doing that. And

1:42:24you'll send out who will monitor and

1:42:26control to tell us what's going on to

1:42:28give us progress reviews. You did a

1:42:30great job with that through the chair.

1:42:32>> Through the chair, we again we'll make

1:42:34sure either from my office, you'll be

1:42:36notified or whatever council member uh

1:42:40it affects will be notified by my

1:42:42office. But either way, it'll be

1:42:44socialized to the community that again,

1:42:46if we're going to there's going to be

1:42:47any type of disruption such that a fire

1:42:48station is is closing again for maybe a

1:42:51roof, the the community will know it. Uh

1:42:53the community will not suffer any um any

1:42:57loss of firefighters in that particular

1:42:58area. Just readjust the fire apparatus

1:43:01to a different station and still have

1:43:03the same level of response.

1:43:05>> Okay. Thank you. Um who put together

1:43:07this plan? It looks it's pretty good. is

1:43:10is easy to um follow through the chair.

1:43:12Was that in your office? Um director

1:43:15>> uh through the chairman of the council.

1:43:17Yes, my office and the consultant is

1:43:18here the one that presented his team has

1:43:21an expertise in uh public safety

1:43:23facilities. So it's been a deep dive

1:43:25over about um year and a half, two years

1:43:28>> working on it.

1:43:29>> So do you have a master plan or a

1:43:32strategic plan to correlate with it? you

1:43:35just didn't put this in place because

1:43:37you got to follow it. And when you

1:43:38follow this plan, someone need to when

1:43:41you execute on it to monitor um and

1:43:44control so that you make sure that

1:43:46you're hitting your milestones so we

1:43:48know how long it's going to close and

1:43:50sometime you might have glitches in

1:43:51there or the barriers to prevent us from

1:43:54closing the project out at the certain

1:43:56time through the chair to the um

1:43:59director.

1:44:00>> Oh, that's correct.

1:44:02>> So, who's who's who's over it? to

1:44:04monitor and control it.

1:44:05>> So what we provided you today was just

1:44:06an overview. This PowerPoint is just a

1:44:09presentation to summarize the bigger

1:44:11report.

1:44:12>> Um Mark Dulick is our manager of

1:44:14architecture and site development. So

1:44:17Mark and his staff is over this plan. Um

1:44:20once we don't have a contract with

1:44:23anybody to do these improvements yet,

1:44:25but once we do that would be Mark that's

1:44:27overseas the construction team that's

1:44:30been hired to do the improvements.

1:44:32>> Great. Mark to the chair because you

1:44:34know it's not just cut and dry like

1:44:35this. You're going to have some barriers

1:44:37in there and something might cost more

1:44:40or less and you got to have someone to

1:44:42monitor it. Do the chair to uh Mark.

1:44:46>> Yes. Uh thank you councilman through the

1:44:48director to the to the councilman. Yeah.

1:44:50No, I appreciate your comments because

1:44:53um we love complex and complicated and

1:44:56challenging projects. Um, this is

1:44:59probably going to be one for the books

1:45:00because it is going to be achieving the

1:45:04renovation of all 24 facilities that

1:45:06need work um over the course of two

1:45:08years. Um, we have our staff, but we

1:45:11also have an outside owner rep

1:45:14consultant much like we did for the

1:45:15police headquarters to help us with that

1:45:17and make sure that we have specific

1:45:18expertise in the more complicated things

1:45:21you're talking about like the mechanical

1:45:22systems and the plumbing systems and

1:45:24things like that. So that is going to be

1:45:27an owner's representative that becomes

1:45:28part of our team that is actually

1:45:30embedded in partially paid and going to

1:45:33be paid for through the sames cost

1:45:35savings program.

1:45:37>> That I hope that answers your question.

1:45:38>> No, no, no. Because you know what? I'm

1:45:40looking at your spreadsheet here

1:45:43um and I'm looking at the numbers you

1:45:46have down for

1:45:48either equipment or supplies that you

1:45:50might need. And then something else

1:45:53might come up as well that might be that

1:45:55might cost more money or less dollars

1:45:58that throw things behind when you start

1:46:00doing a demolition or whatever the case

1:46:02may be. So you you have $24 million, but

1:46:06it it might be more than the $24 million

1:46:08because it could be barriers in there

1:46:10and risk to the chair to Mark.

1:46:13>> Um through the chair of the councilman.

1:46:16Yes. Um it's it's pretty standard for us

1:46:19on all of our contracts. And uh this is

1:46:21also a chance to talk about the delivery

1:46:23method just like the police districts is

1:46:26going to be design build. And what

1:46:28design build does is we establish budget

1:46:30based on conceptual designs and the

1:46:32estimate level that we have right now.

1:46:35But what we do is it allows us to be

1:46:38very rigorous in designing to the

1:46:40budget. But even within that design

1:46:42process and even within the construction

1:46:45budget that gets finalized and

1:46:47established with the actually the actual

1:46:49competitively bid subcontractors, we

1:46:51will always carry contingencies to make

1:46:52sure that we cover unknown conditions or

1:46:54unforeseen conditions. But this method

1:46:57really gives us better control and

1:46:59allows us to achieve things much more

1:47:01quickly because it truly is setting up a

1:47:04collaborative team to design and build

1:47:07all the stations together.

1:47:09>> Yeah. in in in your control, you have

1:47:11cost built in there and you so you can

1:47:13monitor the cost cuz sometime you know

1:47:16in your purchasing and procurement you

1:47:18might order something you think might

1:47:20cost X amount of dollars but it might

1:47:23cost more dollars in the long run and it

1:47:26will go up from that 240 million maybe

1:47:30to$ 250 or whatever if you don't control

1:47:33that.

1:47:35>> Um uh through the chair of the

1:47:37councilman. Um, that's correct. Um, I

1:47:40will also reemphasize that all these

1:47:42costs are in 2026.

1:47:44So,

1:47:45>> um, to the director's point, um, the

1:47:48goal is to be able to do the renew and

1:47:50repair that we this program at this time

1:47:54will not include the replace stations.

1:47:56And that's where both construction cost

1:47:58inflation, the cost of land, and just

1:48:01how things change over time will have

1:48:03much more impact. the the the directive

1:48:06that we will be having with the team

1:48:09that we are planning to actually do the

1:48:10design and construction will be this is

1:48:12the amount of money we will have right

1:48:14now should the legislation be passed we

1:48:17will have that money that will be our

1:48:18budget that's what we got to do it for

1:48:20and we're going to work together to get

1:48:21it for that

1:48:22>> thank you

1:48:22>> can I ask one one more quick question

1:48:24>> brief because because your time go

1:48:26briefly

1:48:27>> when you do this here on a sidebar

1:48:31you got when you look at your capital

1:48:32budget there's the fire these equipment

1:48:37costs, fire trucks, whatever the case

1:48:39may be. That's not in this plan, but we

1:48:43might have issues with that as well. So,

1:48:45do you guys plan to look at that in your

1:48:48strategic plan as well through the um

1:48:50chair to uh Mark,

1:48:52>> I would defer this to safety director

1:48:54because you know what? You know that

1:48:56it's coming.

1:48:57>> So, let's not wait until it come. We do

1:48:59the preventive maintenance with it and

1:49:01then we know how to manage it through

1:49:04the chair to the safety director

1:49:05>> director

1:49:05>> through the chair councilman Conwell

1:49:07that's something we always try to look

1:49:09in advance our needs for

1:49:10>> you got to be around corner

1:49:12>> so we we're actually three or four years

1:49:14ahead uh work with the division of fire

1:49:16as well as a motor vehicle maintenance

1:49:18and then plan out for that as a matter

1:49:20of fact we have uh apparatuses I believe

1:49:22planned out to 2029

1:49:24um it's taken upwards of uh three years

1:49:26to get one apparatus so we had to plan

1:49:28well in advance

1:49:29And you know, I'll yield on one quick

1:49:31second.

1:49:32I'll vote for this only on really on one

1:49:35condition

1:49:37is that you have preventive maintenance

1:49:40put into uh on the scope of this project

1:49:43here because I don't want to spend $240

1:49:46million and then we back at my

1:49:49predecessors are back at the table again

1:49:52discussing $500 million. That preventive

1:49:56maintenance mean a lot um to me.

1:49:58through the chair and then I'll be

1:50:00quiet.

1:50:00>> Um through the chair to the councilman.

1:50:02I mean, thank you for bringing up that

1:50:04topic because I think it came up when we

1:50:06were going through the process for the

1:50:08police districts. It did

1:50:09>> and and one of the things we made sure

1:50:11of was that that leg we don't have to

1:50:13come to you for separate legislation for

1:50:15legislative authority to establish

1:50:18through public works outside maintenance

1:50:21contracts particularly to take care of

1:50:23those critical HVAC and control systems.

1:50:25That same clause will be in the

1:50:27legislation that we are going to propose

1:50:29so that the fire stations will have that

1:50:31same right to do that in the same manner

1:50:33we're going to be doing it for the

1:50:35police districts.

1:50:35>> Thank you.

1:50:36>> Thank you.

1:50:36>> And thank you, Mr. Chair.

1:50:38>> And I have talked to the director about

1:50:39this whole issue of preventive

1:50:41maintenance. We when we get into the

1:50:42budget, my brothers and sisters, we're

1:50:44going to have to really drill down on

1:50:46that component here because we know we

1:50:48build things um but we don't maintain

1:50:51anything. And that's become obvious to

1:50:53everybody around here. We don't maintain

1:50:55things and there's no reason for it.

1:50:56Council cannot, you know, we don't hire,

1:50:58we don't fire, we don't deploy, we don't

1:50:59administer. We allocate the funds, but

1:51:02it's up the administration to maintain

1:51:04these buildings. And let's face it, um,

1:51:07one administration after another has

1:51:08done a very poor job of maintaining city

1:51:10buildings.

1:51:11>> And and Mr. Chair, Mr. Chair,

1:51:13>> yes.

1:51:13>> They have a scorec card. They know how

1:51:16to do preventive maintenance.

1:51:17>> Yeah.

1:51:18>> When is the probability that this is

1:51:20going to break down or that's going to

1:51:22break down?

1:51:23>> They know. and they know from the

1:51:24scorecard. And so you have they have to

1:51:26change

1:51:27>> some of their firefighters also to look

1:51:30at preventive maintenance and preventive

1:51:33maintenance program.

1:51:34>> Thank you, Councilman. I have Councilman

1:51:36uh Councilwoman Hudson, House Jones, and

1:51:38then Councilman Joe wanted to Joe wanted

1:51:40to comment again. Hudson,

1:51:43>> Councilwoman Hudson.

1:51:44>> Thank you, Mr. Chair. Um, I just, you

1:51:47know, want to briefly state, you know,

1:51:50I've, um, advocated for station 23 in my

1:51:53ward. Um, and so it's important to point

1:51:55out that fire stations are different

1:51:57than other city facilities because the

1:51:59firemen are actually living at these

1:52:01facilities while they're on duty. They

1:52:02sleep there, they eat there, um, they

1:52:05take showers there, um, they do laundry.

1:52:07So, um, for all of these reasons, it's

1:52:09different than a police station. It's

1:52:11different than a rec center. And I do

1:52:13agree that the the health and safety of

1:52:15the city's workers um should be our main

1:52:18focus and priority um because of that.

1:52:21Um so I have a question. You you said

1:52:23that you would be doing the the renew

1:52:25repair um of all the stations at the

1:52:27same time similar to how you did the

1:52:28police stations. Do you have a

1:52:30prioritization for the stations that are

1:52:33to be replaced? And if so um how will

1:52:36you be determining um what stations are

1:52:39given priority for replacement? director

1:52:43>> uh through the chairman of the council

1:52:44woman. So we we do not have a priority

1:52:47for replace um uh with the exception of

1:52:51the the Madison Avenue fire station

1:52:54which is is the only one that's

1:52:56currently being uh we're trying to

1:52:59purchase the land. We have design and

1:53:02and construction funds in the capital

1:53:04budget for future years. But besides

1:53:07that, um, what we're doing is, and we

1:53:09hear from council councilman plans all

1:53:12the time, you know, why didn't we

1:53:13acquire this land for this when you knew

1:53:15you could have acquired it? So, we're

1:53:17we're trying to get site control of

1:53:19those stations. So, in that sense, if we

1:53:21have site control, then that that lifts

1:53:24the priority of that station to be

1:53:25rebuilt. But but besides that, we don't

1:53:28have a sequence outside of um the fire

1:53:31station 23.

1:53:32>> Okay. Thank you. I just want to put, you

1:53:34know, for the record, put in my request

1:53:36that they be prioritized based on the

1:53:39the how how the the station itself

1:53:42affects the health and safety of the

1:53:44workers.

1:53:45>> Um, and so on those lines, um, I'd like

1:53:50to talk about some of the, um, repairs

1:53:53that are going to be made. What repairs

1:53:55are being proposed to the EMS quarters

1:53:58at the stations?

1:53:59Whoever can answer that

1:54:03>> um through the chair. Um thank you for

1:54:05that question. That was as you saw in

1:54:08the presentation that was one of the

1:54:09priorities because a lot of the stations

1:54:11we have in fact very few were explicitly

1:54:14designed to accom appropriately

1:54:16accommodate the EMS staff with the with

1:54:19offices and lockers and dayroom areas

1:54:22and thing and storage. Um, so the

1:54:27specific

1:54:29this we're specifically addressing it

1:54:31through the renew portion of the program

1:54:34with all of the existing stations. New

1:54:36stations will be designed to the same

1:54:38standards as the new fire station 26

1:54:41where they have their own separate area.

1:54:42It's along a corridor that goes straight

1:54:44through the yellow zone to the apparatus

1:54:47space. So, we'll be still following the

1:54:49same standards as a new station, but

1:54:52between additions and renovations of

1:54:53interior spaces, we'll make sure that

1:54:56every in fact the conceptual designs

1:54:58incorporate those. We work closely with

1:55:00EMS to make sure that they had the the

1:55:03amount of space they need for any given

1:55:05station.

1:55:06>> Okay. Thank you. And um so I see I see

1:55:09on the the the chart, it's the the

1:55:11colorful graph that has all the stations

1:55:13lifted that there's $86,000 attributed

1:55:16to repairs repairs I believe to station

1:55:1923. And so I'm, you know, very familiar

1:55:22with station 23 and their EMS quarter.

1:55:24So I'm like, where would that $86,000

1:55:26go?

1:55:28>> Um yes, we really appreciate your

1:55:30interest in in all of this, but

1:55:32especially fire station 23. I'm gonna

1:55:34defer to Dwayne specifically

1:55:38um or if he's not sure

1:55:40>> if you're not sure we can provide that

1:55:42information to you

1:55:43>> for sure

1:55:44>> happily. I think that's probably easier

1:55:45than

1:55:46>> and along those lines, you know, also

1:55:48have to say that I see um $17,000

1:55:52um attributed to exhaust repairs for the

1:55:56station 21 that's I'm sorry, base 21,

1:55:59EMS base 21 that's at the city kennel.

1:56:01They they do not they park their vehicle

1:56:04there overnight. Um but um they are not

1:56:08at the city kennel anymore. Um so is

1:56:13that $17,000 still going to be

1:56:15attributed and what would that look

1:56:18like? I mean they're in the garage. So

1:56:19what would $17,000

1:56:22um for exhaust at the city?

1:56:24>> Whoever can answer that

1:56:26>> um through the chair. I think that's

1:56:28another example of something that's

1:56:30pretty specific. I think when we were

1:56:32doing these initial cost estimates, the

1:56:35notion of no longer having that unit at

1:56:38the kennel was still in process. So part

1:56:41of it was just to make sure that were

1:56:43they to stay at that location. Um they

1:56:47would be that appropriate changes would

1:56:50be accommodated. Um however

1:56:53the implementation will address all of

1:56:56these in great detail in terms of the

1:56:58specifics based on what these stations

1:57:02need to do to appropriately accommodate

1:57:03both EMS and fire in future.

1:57:05>> Okay. And then again I have to focus on

1:57:09um vehicle exhaust. So I only see a

1:57:11handful of stations that are getting um

1:57:14any type of improvements to the vehicle

1:57:16exhaust system. And so and that would

1:57:18include, you know, stations like station

1:57:2023 that are the the U-shaped stations

1:57:23and don't have adequate separation of um

1:57:25living quarters and apparatus bay. Um

1:57:29you know what are the proposed exhaust

1:57:34repairs to the the on the handful of

1:57:37stations that have that and um you know

1:57:41why not more?

1:57:43um through the chair to the

1:57:45councilwoman. Um partly because these

1:57:48are all fairly new systems. When we had

1:57:50put the PIMO vent systems in, they were

1:57:52to replace the older systems. These

1:57:55systems are not only more effective, for

1:57:57the most part, they provide

1:58:00as as good a ventilation for the exhaust

1:58:03as can be provided. There are some

1:58:05stations that have some some unique

1:58:07quirks like fire station 23. as you know

1:58:10the front of the station was extended so

1:58:11that the extension of that so addressing

1:58:14something like that with whatever

1:58:15additional ventilation will be part of

1:58:17the costs here um but it's really down

1:58:20to the need

1:58:23for specific repairs to the specific

1:58:27system at a specific station all of this

1:58:29will be vetted and reverified and recost

1:58:32and actually bid out as part of the

1:58:34implementation process so these numbers

1:58:36are preliminary

1:58:37>> yeah understand I just want to you put

1:58:39in a request that there be some type of

1:58:41indoor air quality study um to determine

1:58:44exactly what exhaust repairs are needed

1:58:46at at all of the stations um especially

1:58:50the the U-shaped ones. Um and then um

1:58:54speaking of exhaust, do you have an

1:58:56update about the the supplemental

1:58:59exhaust system at station 23 and when

1:59:02that is that part of this because I

1:59:03don't see anything on here about that or

1:59:05is that separate? um through the chair.

1:59:08That is a project we're working on

1:59:09together with public safety. We can uh

1:59:11check for public safety and provide you

1:59:13an update.

1:59:14>> Okay.

1:59:15>> Thank you.

1:59:16>> Um

1:59:18that's all. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

1:59:19>> And thank you for keeping time.

1:59:21Councilwoman House Jones.

1:59:24>> Um yes, to to the chair, to uh the team

1:59:27that's here. Uh just a couple of

1:59:29questions. Um what is your envision?

1:59:32What is your vision for bidding out um

1:59:37the multiple

1:59:39repair replacements of the fire

1:59:43stations?

1:59:47>> Do you understand a question?

1:59:48>> Yes. Okay. Um so um Mark will go through

1:59:52the process that we went through but the

1:59:54the initial um selection is based upon

1:59:58an energy efficiency analysis.

2:00:01um which the selection of that firm

2:00:04would roll into the construction

2:00:05project. And so there were um Mark can

2:00:08um um talk about how many um firms had

2:00:12proposed, how many were interviewed and

2:00:15um and and how Leopardo was selected

2:00:18through that process.

2:00:20>> Uh thank you director through the chair.

2:00:23Um,

2:00:25we put out a request for qualifications,

2:00:29but it was a request for qualifications

2:00:31with a request for a proposal for what's

2:00:34called the investment grade energy

2:00:36analysis, which is the exact same

2:00:38process we went through for the police

2:00:41districts. Um, in this instance, the

2:00:43police districts, we had three

2:00:46proposals, two of which were qualified.

2:00:48Um, here we had six, all of which were

2:00:50qualified to do it. These were mostly

2:00:53led by these energy savings performance

2:00:56uh contracting companies. Um we received

2:01:00the six proposals. We reviewed them all.

2:01:02Um we interviewed four. Um, we did a

2:01:05second interview with two and we ended

2:01:07up selecting Leaharter for this one too

2:01:10because their approach and process,

2:01:13their ability to meet a very aggressive

2:01:15schedule as well as their ability to

2:01:18identify both energy savings and

2:01:20procurement savings was

2:01:23best match the scope that we had

2:01:26identified through the study we just

2:01:28presented to you today.

2:01:30So as a followup uh to the chair to the

2:01:32team here um based on this process how

2:01:35did it yield um

2:01:45quality participation for black and

2:01:48brown minority companies. um uh through

2:01:52the chair to the councilwoman. Um all of

2:01:54our projects that are like this um are

2:01:58required to meet the

2:02:01goals as provided by the office of equal

2:02:03opportunity. So since as I mentioned

2:02:06before this is a design build process,

2:02:08what this allows us to do is to ensure

2:02:11that those goals are met. So, the good

2:02:13news about the Leopardo project um as

2:02:17the selected partner to work with to get

2:02:19to the um legislation we're going to be

2:02:22proposing later this fall. Um they are

2:02:25local um and they work with unions. So,

2:02:30all of the labor that was provided in

2:02:31the police district was union

2:02:33subcontractors

2:02:35um that the percentages of which met the

2:02:38OEO goals. So that will be the same

2:02:40process that will be followed for all of

2:02:42the fire stations. What's great is that

2:02:4424 buildings there should be a lot of

2:02:45opportunity for people to participate

2:02:49through the chair to the team here. So I

2:02:51would actually like to see that because

2:02:54union doesn't always equate actual

2:02:56representation and I just want us to be

2:02:59very clear about that. Um,

2:03:02I'mma I'm going to say that and I'm

2:03:04going to stand on that until and again I

2:03:08how would I say at this point I would

2:03:11say goals are fine and that's good. Um,

2:03:16but with the significant amount of

2:03:18investment that is going in

2:03:21comparatively

2:03:22to the levels of families that do not

2:03:27have family sustaining wages. There are

2:03:30real opportunities to create family

2:03:34sustainable career opportunities for

2:03:37people who are preparing themselves,

2:03:40ready and willing to show up to do the

2:03:42things. And many times

2:03:46we can get things to show up in numbers

2:03:48that are not correlating to what we

2:03:51actually see in community.

2:03:54So,

2:03:56I guess that would be the request to see

2:04:01how it actually has unfolding and we're

2:04:03using the police

2:04:05>> as a as a model in real ways of how it

2:04:10actually showed up in community. And I'm

2:04:14putting it out here right now because

2:04:15again, I know I have learned over these

2:04:19last four years of how things can be

2:04:21documented that do not get to the heart

2:04:24and spirit of what is expected within

2:04:27community.

2:04:29Um, and I'm I'mma stop here because um

2:04:31um miss um Mr. Chairman, I would always

2:04:34add before we go through presentations,

2:04:35can we always start off with legislation

2:04:37because some of us have

2:04:39>> We didn't have a quorum.

2:04:41>> Okay. Well, when we had the corn, we

2:04:42probably should have the smooth Jesus.

2:04:44Okay.

2:04:45>> Okay.

2:04:46>> We did. We started right at 10 and if we

2:04:48would had a corn, we would have jumped

2:04:49right into legislation, but we didn't.

2:04:52>> Okay. Uh, Councilman Joe, you Councilman

2:04:54Joe Jones, you had one brief request.

2:04:57>> Thank you, Mr. Chairman. And, you know,

2:04:59one of the things is I really appreciate

2:05:01your leadership because you do take the

2:05:03time as the chairman to really vet these

2:05:05issues out. And sometimes some of our

2:05:08colleagues know that they have other

2:05:09places to go. But just to to just state

2:05:13this is that it's our responsibility and

2:05:15job to spend the necessary time here to

2:05:18vet these pieces of legislation out.

2:05:20It's also our responsibility as council

2:05:23people to do our work. And and when I

2:05:26sit here at this table, I I tend to do

2:05:29my work and I'm not going to be rushed

2:05:31by anybody. And so I just want to make

2:05:33sure I put that out there. um and make

2:05:36sure it's very clear. I come here to

2:05:39work and I have work ethic and it is my

2:05:43core. It is how I was built. It is how

2:05:46my father was built. It was how his

2:05:48father was built and this is what we do.

2:05:50We make sure that we take care of the

2:05:52business that's before us. So now since

2:05:55I've said that and laid that that

2:05:57proposition on the table, um I thank

2:05:59your leadership because there's a time

2:06:01when we did have a chairman that rushed

2:06:05these sessions and we were here 30

2:06:08minutes and an hour and we were out and

2:06:12we come from me and you Mr. Chairman the

2:06:14same cloth. We have to do the work that

2:06:17the people have sent us down here to do.

2:06:19So that's the reason why I say thank you

2:06:20and I appreciate your leadership. Now on

2:06:23that Mr. Chairman, I want to thank my um

2:06:26one of my colleagues. I I enjoyed their

2:06:29comments uh was Charlie Slife. I also

2:06:32enjoy um the comments of Nikki Hudson

2:06:36and I just wanted to make sure that, you

2:06:37know, I don't want that to be lost on

2:06:40what I'm about to say here now because I

2:06:42agree with Mrs. Hudson. We have

2:06:45personnel who work and live in these

2:06:47buildings and we need to have them safe.

2:06:50We need to have modern facilities. we

2:06:53need to be able to support the mission

2:06:56and the long-term mission of of helping

2:06:59our people. And I just want to take the

2:07:01opportunity um because I am concerned

2:07:03about my my new development and I am

2:07:06concerned about the fact that I've been

2:07:07talking about it for quite some time. I

2:07:09don't want that to mirror over the the

2:07:11whole subject matter here because I

2:07:13think that Mr. Chairman um we have and

2:07:16I've said this in the past a great

2:07:17director uh of the department and we've

2:07:20had a director before him. I didn't like

2:07:23him and um and it was obvious why I

2:07:26didn't like him and a whole number of

2:07:27other council members didn't like him

2:07:29neither. So we do have uh a person who

2:07:32is approaching this from a pragmatic

2:07:34approach and a carefully thought out

2:07:36one. So I do appreciate your your

2:07:38leadership Mr. Chairman to Mr. D. Roza.

2:07:41So I don't want you to think that my

2:07:43comments earlier uh is is one where

2:07:46there is some kind of uh underlining

2:07:49issues there. It's just that as an

2:07:50elected official, I represent, Mr.

2:07:52Chairman, these people who've made these

2:07:55requests before me and there are others

2:07:57who believe in the same way. And so, we

2:08:00just want to make sure that um we're

2:08:03being heard. And when you heard me, Mr.

2:08:05Chairman, to the safety director, I mean

2:08:07what I say and I say what I mean. We

2:08:09have concerns about safety in our

2:08:11neighborhood uh that haven't been

2:08:13addressed. And so when I see the kind of

2:08:15money that we spend on these facilities

2:08:17and knowing the needs of my

2:08:18neighborhood, knowing the concerns of my

2:08:20community, knowing the the situation our

2:08:23businesses are in and and and this

2:08:26balancing job, Mr. Chairman, to be a

2:08:28council person in trying to make sure

2:08:31that our citizens are safe and that this

2:08:35establishment of government

2:08:40ahead

2:08:42go, Mr. chairman that this establishment

2:08:44of government is the consent of the

2:08:47people to elect their representatives so

2:08:50that their representatives can

2:08:51articulate to you their major concerns.

2:08:55So I've sat here from the previous

2:08:56administration to this administration

2:08:59talking about the ARPA funds of 511

2:09:02million one-time dollars to be spent and

2:09:04one of the things that was important to

2:09:06me Mr. chairman and still important to

2:09:08me to this day and this plan that you

2:09:10bring as part of that is that those

2:09:12monies should have been invested back

2:09:15into this facility's infrastructure,

2:09:17this city's infrastructure. And so it

2:09:19didn't happen that way. It went a whole

2:09:21different other way. I'm not sure if we

2:09:23can quantify, you know, how we spent all

2:09:25of those dollars, but Mr. Chairman,

2:09:28there needs to be, Mr. Mr. Chairman,

2:09:30>> yes,

2:09:31>> the leadership here, there needs to be a

2:09:33reckoning on how we spent that 511

2:09:37million and what did it actually do for

2:09:39us uh in this city. So, that's a concern

2:09:42that I have. And one of my arguments,

2:09:44Mr. Chairman, to the director at that

2:09:46time was to get more police on the on

2:09:48the ground and that didn't happen. We

2:09:51didn't spend the money for that. And so

2:09:53it's still a concern because we still

2:09:55have a deficiency in terms of safety in

2:09:58this city. And you don't need to go

2:10:01nowhere. You can go everywhere in this

2:10:03city and you can ask the citizens and

2:10:05take a poll of how they feel. I think

2:10:07the last administration took the poll

2:10:09and the number one issue was safety. The

2:10:11number two issue was safety. The number

2:10:13three issue was safety. And so we have

2:10:16to at this safety committee, Mr.

2:10:18chairman begin the proposition really

2:10:21fundamentally talking about what does

2:10:22that look like and what does that mean

2:10:24and what do we have to do just like

2:10:25we're taking a look at these facilities

2:10:27further improvements now looking at this

2:10:30report

2:10:32and the scope of services that you're

2:10:34putting here um you know I I'm one that

2:10:37don't want to see a uh a band-aid

2:10:40approach and um and I will agree uh Mr.

2:10:43chairman that um uh the group the

2:10:47Leardo. Am I saying that right?

2:10:51>> Through the chairman of the councilman,

2:10:52it's Leo Partardo.

2:10:54>> Okay. Thank you. Cuz I don't want to

2:10:55mess it up. The Leo Partardo group has

2:10:58done an outstanding job on our

2:10:59districts. Um having the opportunity to

2:11:02take a look at uh that assessment and

2:11:05then taking a look at this

2:11:06administration. You got to give kudos

2:11:08where kudos are. Um, I have not seen the

2:11:11kind of investment in our infrastructure

2:11:14uh in the way in which it has been

2:11:15invested until this administration.

2:11:18And it doesn't take long to walk outside

2:11:20the door to see new couches and

2:11:22furniture and a whole new different look

2:11:24in city hall and to see uh down here in

2:11:26city hall the improvements that are

2:11:28being made. So, I'm not going to take

2:11:30away from administration based on

2:11:32politics. I'm going to tell the truth

2:11:34where it needs to be. Some folks might

2:11:36get upset about it. Um, but that's the

2:11:38reason why I'm coming down here just to

2:11:39try to be able to to to have some

2:11:41balancing in it all. And part of that

2:11:43balancing is making sure that we get a

2:11:46fire station somewhere else. One, and

2:11:48two, we get more police safety. Uh, and

2:11:51I just want to thank the Leo Part Group

2:11:53because I got to tell you, they did an

2:11:55outstanding job. And um I do want to

2:11:58make sure as a citizen uh and a business

2:12:02owner and a a father uh to my children

2:12:06and a husband to my wife that both the

2:12:08EMS and the fire have exactly the kind

2:12:11of living quarters that they deserve and

2:12:13the working environment they deserve in.

2:12:15Because, you know, when you have a city

2:12:18that invests into these facilities, it's

2:12:21is is sending a message to those people

2:12:24who have to work in these facilities

2:12:25that we do care about you, that we are

2:12:28concerned about your conditions. And um

2:12:31and then I'll leave it with this, Mr.

2:12:32Chairman. Uh and this would be to the

2:12:34safety director if he's here. I don't

2:12:36know where he's at. Um, but I would like

2:12:39for us to because this is one of the

2:12:41things that are concerned to me uh with

2:12:44listening to some of our men and women

2:12:46in both EMS and fire is some of them do

2:12:50a whole lot different processes. Their

2:12:52processes are a little bit different

2:12:54from other areas. So I am concerned

2:12:57about Mr. Sherman, you know, production

2:12:59at our various different EMS sites, our

2:13:02fire fire department sites. And I know

2:13:04that in in general over the years, we

2:13:07have been given like the summary or the

2:13:10average of all of them combined together

2:13:13uh in terms of production, in terms of

2:13:15how fast they respond to calls and and

2:13:19service calls. And so, Mr. Chairman,

2:13:22what I'm asking for is a little bit more

2:13:23detailed orientation uh as it relates to

2:13:26production and and those models and

2:13:28those 24 locations. Would like to know

2:13:31who's doing the best

2:13:34and then why are they doing the best?

2:13:36>> Okay.

2:13:36>> And what can we do, Mr. Chairman, to

2:13:38make sure that each of these facilities

2:13:40are performing at those levels? Because

2:13:43Mr. chairman. I was super impressed with

2:13:45going to one of the fire stations,

2:13:47listening to the people, sitting down on

2:13:49the couch and I just happened to happen

2:13:50stance go there because uh there was I

2:13:53thought there was supposed to be a

2:13:54meeting in that facility and then I just

2:13:56sat down and I watched them cook and I

2:13:58thought I had a great time and so I just

2:14:01want to know how that production lines

2:14:03up with my neighborhood, my EMS, my fire

2:14:06department based upon what's happening

2:14:08in other parts of the city. So with

2:14:10that, Mr. Chairman, I again I yield the

2:14:12floor to you. I appreciate your

2:14:13leadership and I thank you for the time

2:14:16that you really truly invest in this

2:14:18city as a council member.

2:14:19>> Thank you. Thank you. Um to staff, you

2:14:22heard a request of the council person um

2:14:24to the director. uh give us the stats

2:14:28per firehouse, per EMS unit, the number

2:14:32of calls for service, whether and that

2:14:34it would include first responders as

2:14:37well for EMS related calls and then

2:14:41working fires. You know what we're we're

2:14:43requesting per each house, each

2:14:45firehouse and each EMS station.

2:14:48Councilwoman House Jones.

2:14:50>> Oh, yeah. So I just wanted to um through

2:14:53the chair just make it clear when we

2:14:54actually schedule meetings the there's

2:14:56actually a scheduled time frame and when

2:14:59we don't adhere to those time hand times

2:15:02um it for some of us who do actually

2:15:06have other things that are connected to

2:15:09council those things can actually be

2:15:11done. Um and making sure that you

2:15:13actually come prepared and not

2:15:14necessarily monopolize the time for

2:15:16others who are prepared and who have

2:15:18read the presentations would be re

2:15:20really helpful and respectful if council

2:15:23members actually do those types of

2:15:24things. Thank you.

2:15:25>> Thank you. Thank you. Okay, without any

2:15:29further ado, you heard um our request.

2:15:33Um when will you um submit? The first

2:15:38first batch is going to be approximately

2:15:39100 million.

2:15:41>> Uh that's correct, Mr. Chair.

2:15:42>> And you'll come to us when?

2:15:44>> Uh I don't have the exact date, but I

2:15:46would expect in uh late October, early

2:15:49November. We'll be for you. I would

2:15:51imagine in October.

2:15:52>> Okay. We probably might have to schedule

2:15:54a joint safety and um with the other

2:15:57committee as well. So maybe we wouldn't

2:16:00have to duplicate things as it pertains

2:16:02to going before the um public works and

2:16:05then coming back to us again. So we'll

2:16:07figure we'll we'll figure that out

2:16:09internally.

2:16:10>> Okay.

2:16:10>> You know, you know um as it pertains

2:16:14what we've required, what we're

2:16:15requesting. This is a big lift.

2:16:17>> Yes.

2:16:18>> A very big lift and it's just not for

2:16:21your shop and safety. But we've got all

2:16:24these other projects.

2:16:25>> Yes. as well capital projects that are

2:16:28in individual wards or

2:16:30>> citywide projects. So again,

2:16:32>> and Mr. Chairman, that's why we're

2:16:34hiring an owner's rep to assist us with

2:16:36that because we understand

2:16:38>> this scale of a project in two years is

2:16:41a is a very heavy lift.

2:16:42>> It's a big lift for the council. Yes.

2:16:44Because we have to identify the funds

2:16:46>> to do this and um and so it's going to

2:16:48be a great deal of work on our part to

2:16:50make sure that we're not bumping other

2:16:52critical projects as well.

2:16:54>> Yes. in the course of doing this. So

2:16:56>> and chairman, that's why we wanted to

2:16:58outline the analysis that went with this

2:17:01so that at least council understands

2:17:03that there was a deep analysis and we

2:17:05will come back to you with more

2:17:06information about the financing.

2:17:08>> And I know and I and again the director

2:17:10is probably tired of hearing it from me

2:17:13week after week, year after year about

2:17:17the condition of our facilities and that

2:17:19they need to be repaired and they need

2:17:21to be improved. I appreciate the action

2:17:23that was taken on the police stations

2:17:25and I appreciate the action that's being

2:17:26taken now because this this council does

2:17:30not want to kick the can down the road

2:17:32anymore. We It's been for decades. Kick

2:17:35the can down the road. Don't fix nothing

2:17:37around here. And we see it all over. So

2:17:40again, I I applaud everybody who's been

2:17:41involved in this process. But because

2:17:43that can was kicked down the road,

2:17:45that's why it's $245 million now. Mhm.

2:17:48>> Had had the collectively had

2:17:51>> again previous administrations um

2:17:54understood the the severity here, we

2:17:56wouldn't be in this jam. But we are

2:17:58today and that's the reality. We're not

2:18:00going to get away from it. We're going

2:18:01to address it. So again, I want to thank

2:18:03you, Director D. Roza, and your team for

2:18:05being here. And again, uh Director

2:18:07Drummond, and uh we look forward to

2:18:09working with you. Thank you very much.

2:18:11>> Thank you, Chair. Thank you.

2:18:12>> Okay, we got two pieces of legislation

2:18:14up.

2:18:28Okay. The ordinance number 1035-2026

2:18:31by council members Palencic and Griffin

2:18:33by department request emergency

2:18:34ordinance authorizing the director of

2:18:36public safety to cause payment to the

2:18:38Kaga County to Kaga County for services

2:18:41rendered through the county's medical

2:18:43examiner's office to reimburse the

2:18:45county for the city share of cost for

2:18:48maintaining and use of the automated

2:18:50fingerprint identification system. It

2:18:53was read for the first time September

2:18:5414th, 2026.

2:18:56Approved by director of public safety.

2:18:58Approved by director of finance. There's

2:19:00no legal objection. Came to city council

2:19:03September 21st.

2:19:06Director, come on. Move over. Get on the

2:19:09hot seat.

2:19:11>> This is ordinance 1035-206.

2:19:21This is with Kaga County. Enter the um

2:19:24W Kaga County.

2:19:28Cost of this is $81,277.39.

2:19:34Director.

2:19:35>> Yes. Uh chair and body. Um with me to my

2:19:39right is Lieutenant Roush. He's uh here

2:19:42to answer any questions relative to this

2:19:44particular ordinance number which is uh

2:19:461035

2:19:472026. And uh this um legislation will

2:19:51authorize the city to re reimburse Kaaga

2:19:54County for the city's share of cost for

2:19:57maintaining the use of the automated

2:19:59fingerprint

2:20:01identification system which is aphus. Um

2:20:03the Ka County automated fingerprint

2:20:06identific identification system is

2:20:09maintained by the regional forensic

2:20:10science laboratory for the uh medical

2:20:14examiner's office. Um this would

2:20:17authorize us to reimburse the medical

2:20:19examiner's office for our share of

2:20:22support and maintenance of the machine

2:20:24itself which uh roughly is about

2:20:26$81,277.39

2:20:30for the following years 2025 and 2026

2:20:34and this will be paid from the division

2:20:36of police operating budget.

2:20:38>> Okay. Lieutenant was it you have any

2:20:42comments?

2:20:43Push it. push

2:20:44>> and identify your pull it pull it up

2:20:47close.

2:20:47>> Pull it just over there's here. Grab

2:20:49Yeah.

2:20:50>> Pull it up close and just speak loud

2:20:52into it. Thank you.

2:20:53>> Yes.

2:20:54>> Identify yourself again

2:20:55>> through the director to the chair

2:20:56itself. Lieutenant Thomas Rousher

2:20:59OIC of the technical section city of uh

2:21:01Cleveland Division of Police.

2:21:02>> Okay. For the layman who are watching

2:21:04this, tell us what this does. Uh the

2:21:06APHAS system it it comprises of a

2:21:09database of fingerprints that uh come

2:21:13from arrested personnel.

2:21:16Um when the city w was in the jail

2:21:19business, our fingerprints went into the

2:21:21system and now they're currently from

2:21:22the Kaaga County Jail go into the system

2:21:26and when fingerprints are lifted from a

2:21:29crime scene, they're entered into this

2:21:30database uh for identification purposes.

2:21:34>> Okay. Um I thought we had our own APHA

2:21:37system.

2:21:38>> Yeah.

2:21:39>> So chair we did at one time. Now we go

2:21:41went through the now the medical

2:21:43examiner's office have the the machine.

2:21:46So at one point when we were in the jail

2:21:48business as Lieutenant Rosher just

2:21:50stated we did have our own but those uh

2:21:52duties went to and went to the our

2:21:55functions have now gone over to the

2:21:56medical examiner's office.

2:21:57>> So we h we have to use Kaga County. Is

2:22:00that what you're telling us?

2:22:01>> Uh through I'm sorry. Go ahead.

2:22:03>> Uh through a director to the chair. Uh,

2:22:04correct.

2:22:06>> Okay. Um, and when did it go over to the

2:22:09the county APHUS?

2:22:12>> Remember

2:22:13>> through the chair? This has been a few

2:22:15years.

2:22:15>> Okay. So, we're paying them not only we

2:22:18paying them per prisoner,

2:22:21but we're also paying the county for

2:22:22this now, too.

2:22:23>> Through the chair, our share of it. Yes,

2:22:25sir.

2:22:26>> Cha-ching. Okay. Questions to the

2:22:28committee. Councilman Jones.

2:22:30>> Yes, Mr. Chairman. um when we had our

2:22:32own um system um how much did that cost

2:22:35us? Do we know any particulars about it?

2:22:37>> Does anybody know? Anybody know what

2:22:39that is?

2:22:40>> The chair I I don't have the information

2:22:42in front of me.

2:22:43>> And Mr. Chairman, h we're talking about

2:22:47two years here. And so how do we use

2:22:49this? I mean h how do we how do we come

2:22:53to this amount that's here? Is it based

2:22:55upon our usage or is it just in general

2:22:58something that has been put together?

2:23:00How how every time do we use it? Is

2:23:02there a charge? How does that work?

2:23:03>> And and just on that point, are the

2:23:06other suburbs in Kaga County paying as

2:23:08well? Whoever can you

2:23:11>> um to the chairman. So how it works is

2:23:15we pay for uh we're considered a super

2:23:17user. We pay for seven workstations. Uh

2:23:20that includes the usage of the APHAS

2:23:22system through those workstations to the

2:23:25medical examiner's office and for

2:23:26maintenance on those workstations as

2:23:28well. It's not per entry, it's uh per

2:23:31usage of the system. Um so as

2:23:34fingerprints go in and identifications

2:23:37are made through the system, that's it.

2:23:39It's it's not by it's not by transaction

2:23:42per se.

2:23:43>> Okay. I see.

2:23:44>> Mr. Chairman, where is these

2:23:45workstations?

2:23:47>> Uh through the through the chair to the

2:23:49council member, uh they are currently at

2:23:51the seventh floor of uh police

2:23:53headquarters in the crime scene and

2:23:55records unit.

2:23:56>> Okay. So we we have them there our

2:23:58systems.

2:23:59>> That's correct.

2:24:00>> More or less. Did we pay for those

2:24:01systems already with the computers and

2:24:03the host set up?

2:24:04>> Uh through the chair to the councilman.

2:24:06They actually the systems belong to the

2:24:08county. We pay to use them.

2:24:10>> Okay. So I just want to make sure I'm

2:24:12clear because I I hear that and it could

2:24:14be general. We just really don't know.

2:24:16Um when you say you pay for the systems,

2:24:18are you paying for the programs? Is the

2:24:19hardware is ours? because I know that

2:24:21we've sat here at this table and spent a

2:24:23lot of money on on passing off on

2:24:27millions and millions of dollars in

2:24:28upgrades in terms of computers. So, are

2:24:31you saying that these computer

2:24:33apparatuses, Mr. Chairman, to the

2:24:35director are ours or they're not ours?

2:24:37>> So, chair, the APHUS machines belong to

2:24:40the uh medical examiners also the

2:24:43county.

2:24:43>> So, those are computers. What is that

2:24:45what we talking about? Systems comput.

2:24:47>> The system. Yes. Correct.

2:24:48>> Okay. So then we're leasing those then

2:24:49in a sense

2:24:50>> to make sure we're not leasing them.

2:24:51We're just paying for our fair share of

2:24:53maintenance because we are super users

2:24:55of the system.

2:24:56>> I see. And if we bought our own, would

2:24:58that would that

2:25:01because these systems don't cost much,

2:25:03right? They're like5 to six grand each

2:25:06or maximum you get [snorts] a $8,000

2:25:09computer because what we're talking

2:25:11about is computers, right? Or can you

2:25:13explain, Mr. Chairman?

2:25:14>> Okay. Whatever you can explain

2:25:16>> to chair to the council member. So the

2:25:19systems um I'm not sure exactly they're

2:25:21probably I would assume around $5 $6,000

2:25:24but they're connected to the actual APH

2:25:26system which is housed at the medical

2:25:27examiner's office. Um so if

2:25:31>> so we're paying for the program Mr.

2:25:32Chairman.

2:25:34>> Yes.

2:25:35>> Through the chair. Yes. Through the

2:25:36chair. Councilman Jones. Yes. We're

2:25:38paying for it. Yes.

2:25:39>> All right. So Mr. Chairman, I don't have

2:25:40no unreiness about this particular piece

2:25:42of legislation. I don't want you guys to

2:25:44think that. I just wanted to understand

2:25:45how this process works.

2:25:47>> Okay. And Mr. Chairman, I would suggest

2:25:49that we take a look at this and see if

2:25:51we can save here because if it doesn't

2:25:54cost much for us set our own systems up

2:25:56and then the next challenge is how much

2:25:58are we actually paying for the program?

2:26:00>> Thank you. So I just wanted

2:26:02clarification. I'll add that you can

2:26:03provide it to us. Do the other cities in

2:26:07Kaga County are they being charged as

2:26:09well?

2:26:10>> That's right.

2:26:10>> Through the chair. We'll have to check

2:26:11with the medical examiners.

2:26:13>> I'd like to know that. So whoever can

2:26:14tell us that because so often I find

2:26:17that we're Cleveland is paying the

2:26:18freight on a lot of stuff and other

2:26:21people are not contributing

2:26:22>> and that is true Mr. Chairman. You're

2:26:24correct.

2:26:24>> Please get that to us. Any other

2:26:25questions of the committee?

2:26:27>> Committee members without any further

2:26:29ado without objection ordinance number

2:26:321035-2026

2:26:33is approved as read. Please sign it up.

2:26:36Thank you director and lieutenant.

2:26:39Next piece of legislation is ordinance

2:26:41number 927-2026

2:26:45by council members Conwell Santana

2:26:47Palencic and Griffin by department

2:26:49request an emergency ordinance

2:26:52authorizing the directors of public

2:26:54health department um public health

2:26:58development andor public safety to enter

2:27:01into one or more agreements with the

2:27:03board of education and the Cleveland

2:27:05Municipal School District for the

2:27:07exchange of lands for future future

2:27:09development and the mutual benefits of

2:27:11the parties. The author and authorizing

2:27:14the mayor and the commissioner of

2:27:16purchases and supplies to acquire and

2:27:18convey the properties. It was read for

2:27:21the first time August 19th,

2:27:242026.

2:27:26It was approved by director of public

2:27:29health, approved by director of finance,

2:27:31approved by director of development and

2:27:35came to city council

2:27:38on

2:27:39the 29th.

2:27:43Wait a minute. Excuse me. Came to

2:27:45council on the 14th. 14th. Okay. Thank

2:27:48you, director.

2:27:51Directors,

2:27:53explain what this one is,

2:27:56>> Mr. Chairman. So, I'll start out. Um

2:27:58this is a land swap ordinance uh related

2:28:01to CMSD

2:28:03and uh this has been through a municipal

2:28:07services and properties committee, the

2:28:08health committee and also uh the uh

2:28:11development planning and sustainability

2:28:13committee. Um so we have safety

2:28:16committee and finance left and um so

2:28:18what this relates to is an exchange of

2:28:20properties that's authorized by the Ohio

2:28:23Revised Code under section 3313.40 40

2:28:27and that allows for the exchange of

2:28:29properties that have a mutual benefit um

2:28:32um between the municipality and the

2:28:34school district. So, we're going to

2:28:36start out by showing the properties um

2:28:39on the PowerPoint presentation and and

2:28:43then we'll um we'll we'll explain the

2:28:46exchanges and answer questions.

2:28:48>> Okay. Thank you, director. So, if I can

2:28:50direct your attention to the PowerPoint,

2:28:53um, we have some slides showing the

2:28:54properties to be exchanged in this swap.

2:28:57The first is the city will transfer the

2:29:00Jay Glenn Smith Health Center located at

2:29:0211110

2:29:04Stlair Avenue uh for the new Glennville

2:29:07High School uh to CMSD along with two

2:29:10landbank parcels located near the site

2:29:13of um the current high school.

2:29:16Um and then the city will also transfer

2:29:20a land bank lot to CMSD that is located

2:29:23near Dennis Elementary which is shown

2:29:26there. Um, and then in exchange, CMSD

2:29:30will transfer to the city Walton, the

2:29:33former Walton uh, school site at 3409

2:29:37Walton Avenue to the Department of

2:29:39Development for I'm sorry, to the

2:29:41Department of Public Safety for use as a

2:29:43future fire station and the

2:29:47Newton D. Baker site um, at 3690 West

2:29:52159th Street to Department of

2:29:54Development for redevelopment.

2:29:57So, Mr. Chairman, the general idea is

2:29:59that these um the land swaps are needed

2:30:02by CMSD for the future new Glenville

2:30:04High School and um the city CMSD and the

2:30:09YMCA have anou drafted to have um a

2:30:13campus created that would have a new

2:30:15high school, a new Glennville YMCA. Um

2:30:18and so we've been working with uh

2:30:20Councilman Conwell on that on that uh

2:30:22matter. and CMSD board CMSD's board

2:30:25approved this back in in May. So, we're

2:30:28coming through through city council um

2:30:31now with the legislation. Um the the

2:30:34Walton school site ties into the

2:30:36presentation that we just gave. It is

2:30:38one of the future school uh one of the

2:30:40one of the future fire station locations

2:30:43that was illustrated in that last

2:30:44PowerPoint presentation.

2:30:47And um if we go to the Newton D Baker

2:30:50site, this site is um uh we've been

2:30:54working with uh Councilman's life. This

2:30:56is an important uh parcel for uh

2:30:58redevelopment in in his ward. And uh so

2:31:02this site would go to the department of

2:31:04development for future redevelopment

2:31:06through an RFP process. Um, and if we go

2:31:10to the uh Jaylen Health Center site, um,

2:31:14I I did want to point out that the

2:31:16Jaylen Health Center site is adjacent to

2:31:19the parking lot that you see if you're

2:31:21facing the screen to the right is the

2:31:23high school parking lot. Um, so it is

2:31:25immediately adjacent to school district

2:31:28property. You see the school district

2:31:30building uh just to the south of the Jay

2:31:32Glenn site. Um the uh Cleveland um

2:31:37Department of Health uh announced a few

2:31:39years ago that they would be closing

2:31:41both the east side and the westside

2:31:42health center sites. Um the westside

2:31:45site is already closed and a new health

2:31:48center has uh reopened in Ward 14. And

2:31:52then this would be um completion of of

2:31:56the two closures which would be the

2:31:57closure of the J Glenn site. We would be

2:32:00coming to city council for approval to

2:32:05um we would have to cover the demolition

2:32:07costs of this building, but the uh

2:32:10demolition would be at the same time as

2:32:12the Glennville High School. So, as we

2:32:15did with the JFK High School and rec

2:32:17center site, we received better pricing

2:32:20by putting out a larger demolition

2:32:22contract. CMSD invoiced us for our share

2:32:25of the project. We would of course need

2:32:27city council approval to to um allow the

2:32:30building to to be to be demolished in

2:32:32that way. But um we um we would be

2:32:35responsible for the demolition of that

2:32:37property. Um we are also responsible for

2:32:40the demolition of the two school sites.

2:32:43Um we are applying for a a grant uh

2:32:46through the state of Ohio that from

2:32:48monies are from the state of Ohio

2:32:50through the Kyhoga County Land Bank. Um

2:32:54and uh those applications are due uh

2:32:57just within a couple weeks, I think on

2:32:58October 9th. Um we have other properties

2:33:02that are going to be submitted at the

2:33:03same time, but our hope is that we get

2:33:06uh grant funding for this so that we

2:33:08would only be responsible for the uh uh

2:33:11I believe it's a 25% match uh for those

2:33:14demolition costs.

2:33:17>> Um so that's it and would uh open this

2:33:19up to questions.

2:33:20>> Okay. So, let's go right down to the

2:33:22very top here. Um, excuse me. Um, okay.

2:33:27CMSD owns the Walton School site. Um,

2:33:31and that is located in what

2:33:32neighborhood?

2:33:33>> Uh, the Walton, Mr. Chairman, the Walton

2:33:36School site is in Ward 14. It's on

2:33:38Fulton Avenue.

2:33:39>> W 14. And how long's that been vacant?

2:33:43>> Uh, great question. So, both uh the

2:33:45Walton School and the Newton D. Baker

2:33:47School have been closed for several

2:33:49several years. Neither of those were

2:33:52part of this building brighter futures

2:33:53closures that just happened. These ones

2:33:56have already been closed. Um both

2:33:58buildings are in poor condition and

2:33:59that's why they were closed.

2:34:01>> Okay. So Ward uh Newton D Bakers and

2:34:04Ward 15.

2:34:05>> Yes sir.

2:34:06>> Okay. So CMSD owns both of them.

2:34:10>> That's correct.

2:34:11>> They are presently closed and you

2:34:12indicated have been closed for some

2:34:14time.

2:34:15>> Yes sir. Okay. Do you know if they were

2:34:17ever offered to the charter schools

2:34:20chain system?

2:34:21>> Um I do not know. Um yeah, I'm not I'm

2:34:26not sure.

2:34:27>> I will I will make that request to

2:34:30confirm whether they were offered for

2:34:31other educational uses. What is the

2:34:34estimated demolition cost for um for

2:34:37Walton?

2:34:39>> So, Mr. Mr. Chairman, we have a

2:34:40demolition uh estimate at 1.3 million

2:34:43for Walton. And while um we do not yet

2:34:47have a demolition estimate for um Newton

2:34:50D. Baker, it would be 1.3 to 1.5

2:34:53million.

2:34:55>> That's estimated.

2:34:56>> Yes.

2:34:57Walton, we have an actual u written

2:34:59estimate from a third party.

2:35:01>> Okay.

2:35:03Okay.

2:35:05And so where if you you're said you

2:35:09applying to the um Kaga County Land

2:35:12Bank, you're going to be submitting

2:35:14um this for what pot of money is that?

2:35:18>> So uh Mr. Mr. Chairman, there is a pot

2:35:23of state of Ohio money specifically

2:35:25related to demolitions

2:35:28and uh those monies that fall within our

2:35:32county

2:35:33are uh um being offered through a

2:35:37competitive process through the Kyogre

2:35:39County Land Bank.

2:35:41>> So the land bank then determines which

2:35:43ones get approved.

2:35:46>> Uh Mr. Mr. Chairman, I'm not sure if

2:35:49they decide themselves or if they then

2:35:51go back to the state for decision. I

2:35:53know that the county land bank is

2:35:55receiving the applications. I'm not sure

2:35:57who makes the final determination.

2:35:58>> So, what buildings are you going to be

2:36:01submitting?

2:36:02>> So, Mr. Chairman, we'll be submitting

2:36:04for um these these two schools that we

2:36:08discussed today, New Baker and Walton.

2:36:10>> Yes. Um there will be a demolition

2:36:13application for a forfeiture forfeiture

2:36:17for forfeited partial thank you

2:36:20forfeited parcel on Lake View Road um

2:36:23that was a former um elderly home that's

2:36:28been boarded up for years um kind of

2:36:30across from uh Forest Hills Park um

2:36:34midblock. It has um Hebrew writing along

2:36:39the exterior of it. Um and it's been

2:36:41closed for quite some time.

2:36:43>> And then um and per your request,

2:36:46there's also a request to put in for the

2:36:48uh former Dave Supermarket on Lakeshore

2:36:51Boulevard.

2:36:52>> Um those are the only applications that

2:36:54I'm aware of.

2:36:55>> Okay. And I would request I want

2:36:57something in writing to see what's being

2:37:00submitted.

2:37:00>> Okay.

2:37:01>> County land bank. I want to see and if

2:37:04there's a if they're rated or how the

2:37:06administration is recommending for the

2:37:09um for the dispersement of the funds. So

2:37:13>> just to be clear what our applications

2:37:14are or the applications they receive

2:37:16>> the land bank

2:37:17>> that we put in

2:37:18>> what you're going to submit to the land

2:37:19bank.

2:37:19>> Okay. I'll get that from the department

2:37:21of development.

2:37:22>> Okay. And then what if we don't get the

2:37:24de the demolition funds

2:37:27>> uh through the chairman the councilman?

2:37:29So the the um the future fire station

2:37:32location is eligible for the use of

2:37:34capital bonds to do the demolition since

2:37:37we have a future city public use.

2:37:39>> Okay.

2:37:40>> The Newton D. Baker site is not eligible

2:37:44for bond dollars. So the department of

2:37:46development is investigating how they

2:37:48will demolish that building.

2:37:52>> So what firehouse

2:37:54because we just you were here to present

2:37:56the firehouse.

2:37:58um information to us. The $245 million

2:38:04deal. Um so, uh I'm trying to get to

2:38:08find this on my map presentation here.

2:38:13Okay. Um what firehouse is being

2:38:16proposed to go on the on the Walton

2:38:20school site?

2:38:21>> Uh Mr. Chairman, that would be fire

2:38:23station 24.

2:38:25>> 24.

2:38:26>> Yes, sir. So, I see it on our list here.

2:38:29>> Yes. And again, that would be to secure

2:38:32the site to have a future home for fire

2:38:3524, fire station 24, but the funds to

2:38:39construct fire station 24 are not yet

2:38:42identified nor scheduled.

2:38:43>> Okay. Site. Okay. And the site is large

2:38:47enough so that the fire station would be

2:38:49along the front edge on Fulton and there

2:38:51would be room in the rear for for

2:38:52housing or whatever we might uh

2:38:55>> and then what's being proposed for the

2:38:59Newton D Baker site.

2:39:02>> Mr. Chairman, the Newton D Bacon Baker

2:39:04Baker site would be through a a process

2:39:07with the Department of Development. Um,

2:39:10as I mentioned at the last committee,

2:39:12housing is the most um obvious um

2:39:15thought because it's surrounded by

2:39:17strong housing, but there would be a

2:39:19community process with Councilman's Life

2:39:21to determine uh the future re use of

2:39:24that that property.

2:39:25>> Yeah. Do on and what's the on on

2:39:28Walton school? What's the acreage on

2:39:30that one?

2:39:32>> Um let's see. We

2:39:36do you have that? I'm not sure that I

2:39:38have it. I think it might be in the

2:39:40ordinance. Let me just see here.

2:39:42>> Same with the um the um

2:39:48>> um Mr. Chairman, we have that

2:39:50information, but I'm not sure that I

2:39:51have it right here.

2:39:52>> If you could supply us the uh the

2:39:55acreage on both those. So, who gave you

2:39:57the demolition price of 1.3?

2:40:01>> Uh so, Mr. Chairman, we used uh a

2:40:04consultant that's under contract with us

2:40:07for on call professional services.

2:40:09>> They're called CCNE and they went um in

2:40:13out to the building for an investigation

2:40:15and provided abatement and demolition.

2:40:17>> Okay. Why isn't the board of education

2:40:20paying for the demolition?

2:40:22Uh so the board of education has uh a

2:40:26certain list of properties that the OFCC

2:40:28will be demolishing that are already

2:40:31approved, but the OFCC is no longer

2:40:34approving the demolition of more school

2:40:36sites.

2:40:37>> And who who's FC?

2:40:39>> Uh the OFCC is a um state entity. The

2:40:43Ohio facilities

2:40:46>> construction.

2:40:46>> Oh, thank you. Construction commission.

2:40:49Oh,

2:40:49>> what is it? Ohio. What

2:40:52>> uh through the chair? Uh it's the Ohio

2:40:54Facilities Construction Commission.

2:40:57>> Facility Construction Commission.

2:41:00>> Okay.

2:41:01>> So that's the entity that funds new

2:41:03school buildings. Um they also fund

2:41:06demolitions and other other you know

2:41:09capital needs for CMSD.

2:41:12>> Okay.

2:41:13And so they're they're essentially

2:41:15they're they're capped out with um

2:41:17getting state funding for more

2:41:19demolitions.

2:41:20And we as an administration and I know

2:41:23um council members with bordered up

2:41:25schools and their wards feel the same

2:41:26that it's important to take buildings

2:41:29down as soon as we can. So the ones that

2:41:31we have a need for, we're um uh agreeing

2:41:35to take on the financial hardship of

2:41:37that demolition.

2:41:38>> Okay. So either are either of these

2:41:40schools historic landmarks.

2:41:43>> Uh Mark,

2:41:44>> uh Mr. Chairman, no, they are not.

2:41:46>> They are not. Okay. Now, going down to

2:41:48Jay Glenn Smith. What's the estimated

2:41:51demolition cost on that?

2:41:54>> Uh Jay Glenn, I'm not sure that we have

2:41:55the estimate done yet. We do have it u

2:41:58tasked and underway, but we don't have

2:42:00those numbers yet.

2:42:02>> Okay. I'd like to know what the

2:42:03estimated cost is going to be for Demo

2:42:06and Jaylen Smith. So with the um health

2:42:10director here, uh director D. Roza just

2:42:14indicated there is a westside health

2:42:16center. Um so with the elimination of

2:42:19Jay Glenn Smith, there's no east side

2:42:21health center. And I got to tell you,

2:42:23um, with the closure of additional 18

2:42:26schools, with the majority of those

2:42:28being on the east side, with four of

2:42:29them in the greater Conwood community,

2:42:32and now with the closure of Jay Glenn

2:42:34Smith, I keep asking myself, what is the

2:42:37administration? What is the mayor's

2:42:39commitment to the northeast side of the

2:42:41city? Um, I see abandonment. I see

2:42:44disinvestment. I look at the population

2:42:48loss within the Glennville neighborhood

2:42:50and western portion of Colinwood. A lot

2:42:53of it is directly tied to lack of

2:42:55schools, lack of educational

2:42:56opportunities for our kids. Uh I

2:42:59continue to see the exodus out of the

2:43:01east side. And so now you're going to

2:43:04close the health center where I myself

2:43:06have gone for vaccinations, but yet

2:43:09we're going to have we have a health

2:43:10center on the west side. So why this

2:43:12constant disinvestment? Why does Mayor

2:43:15uh Bib believe in just in disinvesting

2:43:18on the east side of the city?

2:43:19>> So through the chair, we're we're not

2:43:21closing the East Side Health Center.

2:43:22We're moving the East Side Health

2:43:23Center.

2:43:24>> Tell me where you're moving

2:43:25>> to a new building. So right now we have

2:43:26two opportunities, but we're basically

2:43:28on a timeline just as we did with the

2:43:31Westside when we moved out of the

2:43:32Westside clinic. Both of these

2:43:34facilities have not been good enough for

2:43:37our employees or our patients for some

2:43:39time. Uh, Metro Health left the Westside

2:43:42Health Center in 2020, early 2020. Metro

2:43:45Health has been looking for ways to

2:43:47leave the East Side Health Center for

2:43:48another newer, better facility for for

2:43:51some time. Um, and we've been on the

2:43:53same path. And so, um, we would like to

2:43:55have a decision by the end of this

2:43:57calendar year of where we're going to

2:43:59move. And then beginning in in the

2:44:02spring will be the process of coming for

2:44:04legislation and entering into a lease

2:44:06for a new health center. We would like

2:44:08to be out of Jay Glenn Smith Health

2:44:10Center into a better facility in about

2:44:1312 months from from today or 11 months

2:44:15from today. And so we're not closing the

2:44:17East Side Health Center. We have a

2:44:18Westside Health Center. We'll have an

2:44:19East Side Health Center. We've got our

2:44:21two mobile units. That continues to be

2:44:22our strategy. We just want to make sure

2:44:24we've got good facilities for our

2:44:25clients

2:44:26>> because, you know, this came as a shot

2:44:28like a a just a a shot out of the blue

2:44:31for me. No one sat down and took the

2:44:34time to sit down and talk with me about

2:44:36Jay Glenn Smith being closed. Not a

2:44:38person from the Bib administration.

2:44:41And I'm sick of the disinvestment taking

2:44:43place, the disrespect for my

2:44:45neighborhood. The fact that the mayor

2:44:47wants to kill the name Colinwood High

2:44:49School.

2:44:51He wants to kill the name Colinwood High

2:44:53School. Why? If you're going to build a

2:44:56new high school, why isn't Colinwood

2:44:57Glennville High School? Why are we being

2:45:00so disrespected by this administration?

2:45:02I'm telling you, my people aren't happy.

2:45:05And my this councilman is not happy. And

2:45:08I I'm I'm just going to tell you right

2:45:10now, you know, you continue to disinvest

2:45:13and you the proof is in the pudding. the

2:45:16poverty, the disrespair, families

2:45:18leaving our neighborhoods, the the the

2:45:20the schools, the charter schools coming

2:45:25into my neighborhood, advertising,

2:45:26putting them up bus stops, putting up uh

2:45:29doing mailings into my neighborhood to

2:45:32get kids from our our neighborhood to

2:45:33come to the the charter schools or go to

2:45:36schools in the city of Uklid or East

2:45:37Cleveland. I mean, what's taken place on

2:45:40the northeast side from 72nd Street out

2:45:43east is outrageous. I see no plan from

2:45:47this administration north of Superior,

2:45:49east of 72nd Street. What's I see no

2:45:52plan from this administration to

2:45:54stabilize the east side of the city of

2:45:55Cleveland. And I I am be my residents

2:45:58and this councilman. I've seen it all in

2:46:01my time. I was born in the Glennville

2:46:02neighborhood 120th. I've seen what has

2:46:04transpired here. The lack of investment,

2:46:07the lack of concern. And so we're lo

2:46:10we've lost schools. Now we're going to

2:46:12lose the Jay Glenn Smith. There's no

2:46:14indication of where it's going. We don't

2:46:17know the estim the demolition cost of

2:46:20the building. And again, where again, I

2:46:22want to ask where is the demolition

2:46:24money coming from? Someone tell me where

2:46:26the demolition money is coming from if

2:46:28we don't get it. But you just said we're

2:46:30going to have to eat Jay Glenn Smith.

2:46:32Where's that money coming from?

2:46:34>> So, Mr. Chairman, as I mentioned, this

2:46:37would be proposed. Of course, it needs

2:46:38to be approved by council as a capital

2:46:41expenditure for facility bonds.

2:46:43Newton D. Baker is different because we

2:46:45don't have a future city use. So those

2:46:48funds would have to be determined by the

2:46:50department of development, but those

2:46:52that have um a city future use or a

2:46:55current use like Jay Glenn would are

2:46:58would be proposed through uh facility

2:47:01bonds.

2:47:03>> Man, I'll tell you, we just heard a

2:47:05piece of legis we didn't hear. We had a

2:47:07presentation

2:47:08245 million now 100 million for the

2:47:13firehouses to be spent over a 2-year

2:47:15period. We've got this demolition

2:47:18anticipated demolition cost. We don't

2:47:20know. You're not even you don't even

2:47:21know what Jay Glenn Smith is going to

2:47:23cost. When you going to have the

2:47:24estimate on that,

2:47:26>> Mark? Um our consultants are working on

2:47:30it right now.

2:47:31>> Okay. So, as soon as we get a dollar

2:47:33dollar amount, we need to know. And then

2:47:35the um the

2:47:38stealth

2:47:40east side health center,

2:47:42I want to know somebody better engage

2:47:45me, better engage my citizens because

2:47:48I'm not going to continue to to see my

2:47:50neighborhood kicked

2:47:52and denied services. I'm telling you,

2:47:55the rubber is going to meet the road

2:47:57here, man. Let me tell you. I I'm I This

2:48:00is personal with me. This is not

2:48:02politics. This is personal. This is the

2:48:04neighborhood I grew up in. And I

2:48:06continue to see disinvestment. I

2:48:08continue to see a lack of concern. And

2:48:10the mayor, he wouldn't let that happen

2:48:12on the west side where he lives.

2:48:15That wouldn't happen

2:48:16>> through.

2:48:16>> They wouldn't be closing schools where

2:48:18he lives. They wouldn't be disinvesting.

2:48:20They wouldn't be taking a health center

2:48:21out where he lives

2:48:22>> through through the chair. So just as as

2:48:26you know, we McCaffrey Health Center was

2:48:29is in Ohio City. Lorraine and and 42nd.

2:48:32Um we we closed that one first. And when

2:48:36we made the decision,

2:48:38um we didn't yet know where we were

2:48:40going. We just knew we needed to move to

2:48:41to better serve our our customers. The

2:48:43VA had already made that decision. Metro

2:48:45Health had already made that decision.

2:48:47And so I'm I'm sorry that you and I

2:48:49didn't meet about Jay Glenn Smith. I I

2:48:51met with, you know, with with obviously

2:48:53with with the health committee regarding

2:48:55that. Um and I would love to to meet

2:48:58because we've got a couple options right

2:48:59now. And again, this is our clinic does

2:49:02uh STD testing and treatment. It's a

2:49:04very important need for the community,

2:49:06but we are going to go where the the

2:49:07data shows that there are the highest

2:49:09prevalence of of sexually transmitted

2:49:11infections and lower vaccination rates.

2:49:13And right now, that's not necessarily

2:49:16Colinwood. Um

2:49:18but I would love to meet about other

2:49:20locations. We we were we're very

2:49:23interested in finding the right home for

2:49:25our facility. And

2:49:26>> director, I don't I didn't say happy

2:49:27Colinwood. There was a health center

2:49:29placed in the Glennville community for a

2:49:31reason because of the issues with infant

2:49:35mortality and all the other illnesses

2:49:38and disparity we have in that community

2:49:40>> through through through the chair. So

2:49:42there will continue to Metro Health is

2:49:44committed their federal funding is tied

2:49:46to it being the Glenville Health Center.

2:49:48They're a federally qualified health

2:49:50center lookalike and and so they get

2:49:52money from HERSA specifically for

2:49:54Glennville. And so they've made a

2:49:55commitment. Their plan is to find a

2:49:58temporary location for a few years as

2:50:00they build or or completely gut remodel

2:50:04an entirely new health center for 7 to10

2:50:07million. So they they're making a major

2:50:09investment in Glennville and they they

2:50:11said that they'll have a home for us to

2:50:13to move there too. But I do think you

2:50:15know for our part of the clinic we'll

2:50:17we'll go where the data shows and so if

2:50:19that ultimately is our home that'll be a

2:50:21good thing. But I do want to separate

2:50:23the health center discussion from the

2:50:25the bigger picture of the investment

2:50:27because you know we we absolutely want

2:50:28to be part of the solution and and have

2:50:31it make the most sense for where the

2:50:33health disparities are the highest.

2:50:35>> Okay.

2:50:36>> We are even looking in the southeast

2:50:37side as well. If there's a location

2:50:39Councilman Jones,

2:50:40>> we got one for you

2:50:41>> for for if you have an empty clinic

2:50:43space, we we take a look. That's what

2:50:45we're that's what we're looking for. So

2:50:47>> because you and you're aware of what's

2:50:49happening in Neon.

2:50:50>> Yes. So that's another hit on the east

2:50:52side, right?

2:50:53>> We're look it looks like the looks like

2:50:56the neon centers are going to cease to

2:50:58exist. You've got the Conwood clinic

2:51:00sitting right next to closed Kwood High

2:51:02School. So I mean that's what I'm

2:51:04saying. We we we need to see the bigger

2:51:07plan. We need to see I I want to see at

2:51:10least some some concern for what's

2:51:13happening on the east side of the city

2:51:15where we've had the greatest population

2:51:17loss. We have the highest poverty rates.

2:51:19We have all this despair and lack of

2:51:21opportunity. And all I keep seeing is

2:51:24things closing. My my colleague on the

2:51:26southeast side alluded to the grocery

2:51:28stores that are closed. I mean, look at

2:51:30the the food deserts on the east side.

2:51:33Now we're losing a Jay Glenn Smith Neon.

2:51:36Um, God knows what's going to happen to

2:51:38them. Uh, they're probably all going to

2:51:40go bye-bye as well. We have major issues

2:51:44on the east side of the city.

2:51:46>> So, through through the chair, I I just

2:51:48I want to have the chance to to meet

2:51:49with you separately. I'm sorry to keep

2:51:51dominating just in terms of the

2:51:53healthcare accessorient we have big

2:51:55plans and big hopes. So, one of the

2:51:57things I I want to to bring to you and

2:51:59just now this is not no longer a secret.

2:52:01neighborhood family practice does, I

2:52:04would say, you know, some of the best

2:52:06primary care in our community.

2:52:08Traditionally, they have been only on

2:52:10the west side of Cleveland, which has

2:52:12been a big big problem, and they've been

2:52:14looking for opportunities to go east.

2:52:15And so, um, they are they have plans to

2:52:19come to the east side. They've been

2:52:20meeting with with some of of your your

2:52:22colleagues about that. And so, you know,

2:52:25I I'm really excited. It's a black le

2:52:27organization. They're doing incredible

2:52:29work. they they you know are being

2:52:30recognized uh at the the federal and and

2:52:33state level and so they're going to be

2:52:35on the east side uh to help fill the the

2:52:38gap. Metro Health. Um, you know, when

2:52:40when Jigaland Smith Health Center was

2:52:43built, Metro Health had zero or one

2:52:47clinics, right? The the Kenneth Clement

2:52:49Center. Um, now they have a number of

2:52:52amazing locations on the east side. That

2:52:54just wasn't something they were doing

2:52:55before. Uh, the Cleveland Clinic didn't

2:52:58have community health centers back then.

2:52:59They now do. University Hospital didn't

2:53:01have community health centers. They now

2:53:03do. So there are a lot of wonderful

2:53:06things just in terms I'm just speaking

2:53:08to healthcare access that are happening

2:53:09on the east side to help fill this gap

2:53:11and once you know this future state the

2:53:14federal money that NEON gets right now

2:53:16will be hopefully redistributed to some

2:53:18of these other uh institutions and so

2:53:21I'm I'm really hopeful and and

2:53:24definitely want to keep having that

2:53:25conversation with you about uh the the

2:53:28current access points on the east side.

2:53:29the centers uh just got uh money from

2:53:32the federal government to move to the

2:53:34Broadway neighborhood that was just

2:53:35announced. We we actually Cleveland got

2:53:37one of the highest amounts of of funding

2:53:40from HERSA for new access points for for

2:53:42primary care and so many exciting things

2:53:44are are happening and I'll I'll I'll

2:53:46shut up.

2:53:47>> Thank you. Questions by colle Councilman

2:53:49Jones now.

2:53:49>> Thank thank you Mr. Chairman. Um and I

2:53:52won't be brief. I I won't be long. I'll

2:53:54be very brief. First of all, I just want

2:53:55to thank um um your line of questionings

2:53:59to some point because of the simple fact

2:54:01that we have seen a disinvestment

2:54:03um from RTA services uh from the east

2:54:07side. They sat here at this table and

2:54:09cut all the programs they had from our

2:54:11senior citizens out uh on the on the

2:54:14east side of the city of Cleveland. We

2:54:15saw them um put most of their services

2:54:19and um uh systems over on the west side

2:54:23and for the first time I saw RTA

2:54:26discriminate against east versus west by

2:54:29cutting out some of our RTA routes uh

2:54:33that have been fought for for a very

2:54:36long time in my neighborhood. And so I

2:54:38understand um the sensitivities of the

2:54:41chairman of this committee. But I will

2:54:43say this is that I appreciate the

2:54:46director your response and your

2:54:49flexibility and um and I appreciate the

2:54:52fact of that you're still moving and

2:54:55going and talking about how we can um

2:54:58not only retain um these services on the

2:55:01east side but also the possibilities of

2:55:03expansion. So I think that's really

2:55:05important. So I'd love to sit down with

2:55:07you and know a little bit more about how

2:55:09that works. And um I appreciate your

2:55:12leadership as the director of health.

2:55:14And so with that, Mr. Chairman, I only

2:55:17have one request for this piece this

2:55:20particular piece of legislation. I've

2:55:21already went through it in other

2:55:23committees and I think that the director

2:55:25is doing a good job on it. And I would

2:55:29suggest that you know because email um I

2:55:33mean Newton um I know email bdose um uh

2:55:38Newton DB Baker were some schools that

2:55:40that uh um I um certainly was a fond of

2:55:44and Charlie Slice Ward want to get an

2:55:46opportunity to go through it and just

2:55:48take a look at it for just nostalgia

2:55:50state you know so if I can go there uh

2:55:53if you could

2:55:54>> you know provide me an opportunity to go

2:55:56in that that facility I have some great

2:55:58fond memories there and uh just want to

2:56:01see it for one last time before you tear

2:56:03it down. And then um Mr. chairman to the

2:56:06director. Um, one of the things you

2:56:10talked about was housing and um, I have

2:56:13a story about housing. I'd like to sit

2:56:15down and talk with you about that in

2:56:17terms of

2:56:19again, as uh, the chairman talked about,

2:56:23it's been really difficult for us to get

2:56:26housing development on the east side of

2:56:28the city of Cleveland. Now, we see that

2:56:30they're developing million-dollar homes

2:56:32on the west side, $2 million homes on

2:56:34the west side, $3 million homes on the

2:56:36west side, and and $5 million homes on

2:56:40the west side. And I think there's one

2:56:41that they're looking to to do now is

2:56:43almost $7 million, and it's in

2:56:47discussions. And so, what I find it

2:56:49hard, Mr. chairman to the director is to

2:56:52believe that one side of the city is

2:56:54good enough to build these kinds of

2:56:55homes, but then on the other side of the

2:56:58city of Cleveland when we try to get

2:57:00these investments over there in this

2:57:02side, they tell us that it's an

2:57:04overinvestment.

2:57:06So, we really have to work through your

2:57:09department cuz I think you have a great

2:57:10team uh and really start looking at

2:57:14these developers who are on the

2:57:16outskirts of the city of Cleveland that

2:57:18you know me and my wife and others have

2:57:20been trying to get into our

2:57:22neighborhoods to build our own homes and

2:57:24we are unable to do so. So, I think that

2:57:26that we have some challenges and

2:57:28whatever those challenges are, I don't

2:57:30know what the city needs to do to create

2:57:32incentive programs for the east side of

2:57:34the city of Cleveland, but if we build

2:57:36this product, I believe, and as we have

2:57:39seen it done in the past on Sunny Glenn

2:57:41when they told then Ken Lori, he

2:57:43couldn't build homes because no one

2:57:45would buy those homes at $150,000

2:57:49over 30 years ago. When he built that

2:57:52first two model homes, it sold out.

2:57:56And then he went on to build thousands

2:57:58and thousands of homes throughout the

2:58:01entire city of Cleveland. So I I my

2:58:04suggestion is is to take a look at what

2:58:05we did in the past and make it available

2:58:09for the citizens on the east side of the

2:58:10city of Cleveland and I don't mind

2:58:12working with you to be able to do that.

2:58:14>> Thank you.

2:58:15>> Just through the chairman of the

2:58:16councilman. So, my shoulders are getting

2:58:18a little heavy with what I am

2:58:19responsible for, but I'm not responsible

2:58:22for housing, but I'm happy to make

2:58:24connections with you in the Department

2:58:25of Development.

2:58:26>> Right. And and and then here's the issue

2:58:28I've suffered with the Mr. Chairman.

2:58:31That's the reason why I looked over at

2:58:33you because you said that you're going

2:58:34to look at bu building potentially homes

2:58:36on the some of these sites or homes that

2:58:38will be built on these sites

2:58:39>> through the department of development,

2:58:41not not through

2:58:42>> but but still they may need a little bit

2:58:44of your expertise because they're

2:58:46struggling. They haven't done it. We've

2:58:48been working on one project now for nine

2:58:51years and we still not have one house.

2:58:55And Mr. chairman, the developer that has

2:58:58the contract, I I told then the folks

2:59:01who were putting this whole piece

2:59:02together, I don't think that they're

2:59:04going to do any development. They're

2:59:05waiting on the city to give them money.

2:59:08If you're a developer, you ought to have

2:59:09your own money up front first, not

2:59:12waiting on the city to give you money to

2:59:14do development. And so, Mr. Chairman, I

2:59:17just wanted to share that with you. and

2:59:18I don't mind working with you and

2:59:20because you do such a great job, maybe

2:59:22you should take up on or have a a a part

2:59:25of of this process uh in your department

2:59:28because right now it's stuck

2:59:31nine years sitting here and I I don't

2:59:33have one home built

2:59:35but yet I'm seeing them build 6

2:59:37million,5 million and $4 million homes

2:59:39on the west side and I don't have one

2:59:42home. There's there's something broken

2:59:44here. So So and that's a perfect

2:59:47example. I gave you two great examples.

2:59:49Development is not happening the way it

2:59:51should happen on the east side. Number

2:59:53one. Number two, we're losing services

2:59:56on the east side. I laid out some of

2:59:58that earlier in our testimony. And then

3:00:01I also shared with you RTA has

3:00:03discriminated against citizens on the

3:00:05east side. So, if they ever try to come

3:00:07with a levy uh talking about uh passing

3:00:10it in our neighborhood, we going to fail

3:00:12it. And I'm going to go out against it

3:00:14until they can come and tell me that

3:00:16they're going to bring services just as

3:00:18equivalent that they have on one side of

3:00:20the town, they going to have it on the

3:00:22other side of the town. And and and I

3:00:24just want to put it out there because I

3:00:25know they going to give me a call. And

3:00:26if they don't give me a call, then I

3:00:27know they don't care. So, with that

3:00:29being said, Mr. Chairman, um I yield the

3:00:32floor.

3:00:32>> Thank you, Councilman. I have council. I

3:00:35have Councilman Slife, Conwell, and

3:00:37Hudson. Anyone else? Okay, Councilman

3:00:40Slife.

3:00:41>> Thank you. And um uh thank you for

3:00:43hearing this today. And uh before I kind

3:00:47of make some comments and even reply or

3:00:49add some context to some of the things

3:00:51that you mentioned, uh Mr. chair. Uh I I

3:00:53will just say to your point about what's

3:00:56what is the mayor's plan for the

3:00:57northeast side, this isn't really

3:00:59necessarily anything in either of your

3:01:02shops, but if you if even if you look at

3:01:04the budget book of like the mayor's

3:01:06three big priorities, one was public

3:01:08safety, one was shorter to court to

3:01:10shore, and one was the southeast side.

3:01:12I'm not questioning any of those

3:01:14priorities there. Public safety is

3:01:16important. There's value in having both

3:01:18of those plans. Uh but it does sometimes

3:01:21feel like an omission when there's not

3:01:23is there a plan for other parts of town

3:01:25and uh chairman you know that you know

3:01:28in a previous life when I worked for the

3:01:30previous administration I spent a lot of

3:01:32time in Glennville and South Colinwood

3:01:34um you know working on building

3:01:36demolitions I don't get out that way as

3:01:38much as I used to but when I went to a

3:01:40funeral a couple months ago on St.

3:01:43Claire. Uh I did kind of remark that

3:01:45even that there there's a lot more

3:01:47vacancy and uh open land since you know

3:01:5010 years ago. Uh so so I say that just

3:01:53to say I do think that there should be

3:01:54value in things like a Slair corridor

3:01:57plan and and a lot of these

3:01:59conversations could be easier if we had

3:02:01that. Uh so that's not again not

3:02:02something you all do. Uh but it is it's

3:02:05sort of the context we're that we're

3:02:07dealing with. Um specific to the

3:02:10legislation. Uh, I'll just say she's not

3:02:13here, but uh, Councilwoman Santana is

3:02:15uh, very appreciative of the idea of of

3:02:17a new fire station, and it was remarked

3:02:19that I think it's now the oldest fire

3:02:21station currently operating in the city

3:02:23that the Walton School would allow us to

3:02:25replace. Um, uh, to the questions about

3:02:29the future of Newton D. acre. There's

3:02:31already been community meetings and

3:02:33support and enthusiasm for a kind of

3:02:36combination redevelopment uh green space

3:02:41uh uh that that allows people to uh

3:02:45continue to stay in the neighborhood. I

3:02:46get a lot of people who end up moving

3:02:47out of the neighborhood because they

3:02:49can't age in place. Uh so we're trying

3:02:51to find opportunities to create uh

3:02:54housing because we're not losing people

3:02:56in the neighborhood to necessarily other

3:02:58Cleveland neighborhoods. We're losing

3:03:00people to North Ridgeville where they

3:03:01can, you know, get a bathroom on the

3:03:03first floor. Uh, and and I've said this

3:03:05and I don't if you haven't heard it,

3:03:07last time I'll ever say it in the

3:03:09current Ward 15 where there's about

3:03:1125,000 people, there used to be 15,000

3:03:14people. We don't talk a lot about

3:03:16smaller household sizes. Uh so one of

3:03:18the goals that I have is to find ways to

3:03:21just bring a couple more people in so we

3:03:23can continue to sustain a lot of the

3:03:25things in the neighborhood uh that that

3:03:27were really the retail was built out for

3:03:29a larger population. um

3:03:33to the question of um the city paying

3:03:38for demolitions and why can't the school

3:03:40district uh some context cuz this was

3:03:43explored and my understanding is that

3:03:45the state requires a list to be

3:03:47submitted to Columbus and these are the

3:03:50schools that are approved for demolition

3:03:52and there had been a question could you

3:03:54so if you're approved for say 10

3:03:56buildings uh do you have to go with the

3:03:5910 you submitted or did they approve 10

3:04:01buildings and you could kind of swap in

3:04:02and out because there I think actually

3:04:04may be some desire to maybe not demolish

3:04:07some of the approved buildings and

3:04:08repurpose them for what have you. Uh and

3:04:11Columbus basically said now you can't

3:04:12swap out. So so that puts us in this

3:04:14thing where we know that there are

3:04:17buildings that need to be demolished but

3:04:19we can't pursue that funding source. So

3:04:20that's just some important context. And

3:04:22then I guess my my question uh kind of

3:04:25building on the need for the health

3:04:27services on the northeast side. Uh

3:04:30director Margolius uh you had indicated

3:04:33that there are two potential sites

3:04:34through the chair. Are you able to share

3:04:36what those potential sites are

3:04:39>> through the chair? Yes. So um Metro

3:04:42Health Buckeye uh clinic has is we're

3:04:45exploring possible space with them. And

3:04:47the other one is a uh former Planned

3:04:50Parenthood at Church Square at Chester

3:04:51and East 81st.

3:04:53>> Okay.

3:04:53>> Um so that was vacated and the services

3:04:55are still important there. And again,

3:04:57this is where the need is where other

3:04:59health centers aren't. That's where

3:05:02where we need to be because of the

3:05:04services that we we offer through our

3:05:06our part of the clinical services.

3:05:08>> Okay. And and so could you provide to

3:05:10the to the council and understanding

3:05:13there's medical data and things, but

3:05:15just sort of a a memo or something

3:05:18explaining that and where like what what

3:05:21the services are, how you determine

3:05:23where the needs are and and if it's the

3:05:26case that because I and I agree with

3:05:28you, Councilman, I think that there's

3:05:30also real estate opportunities on the

3:05:32northeast side that are city-owned or

3:05:35just things that we know are vacant

3:05:37that, you know, how can we also

3:05:40try to preserve

3:05:42healthc care access on the St. Clair

3:05:45corridor where I again I just don't

3:05:46think that there's a cohesive

3:05:48established we're not all rowing in the

3:05:50same direction it seems on on St. Clair.

3:05:53uh if we we could receive that because I

3:05:55it if there's opportunity to provide

3:05:58health services in the neighborhood uh I

3:06:01want to do that and whether that is by

3:06:03the city directly or something like

3:06:04neighborhood family practice like I

3:06:06really want us to unbundle all of that

3:06:08because what I I don't want the Slair

3:06:12corridor to continued it seems

3:06:15from what I've heard you say basically

3:06:16be like the the farm league for for

3:06:18Uklid you know for people to move out of

3:06:20the city and into Uklid and other

3:06:21suburbs. Um, so that that that's that

3:06:24that that's my request, but but I I

3:06:26thank you for hearing this. Uh,

3:06:27Councilman Punch.

3:06:28>> Thank you. Welcome, Councilwoman.

3:06:30Councilman Conwell.

3:06:32>> Yeah. Um,

3:06:35thank you very much. You know what? What

3:06:38we have to do um Dr. Margolius, you guys

3:06:42have to do before um Jay Glenn Health

3:06:44Centers raise two things. number one,

3:06:47come to my um community meeting, discuss

3:06:50it with the residents. Then number two,

3:06:54um Council Member Mike Palinsk and I

3:06:56will have a uh meeting with our CDC's

3:07:00and the city of Cleveland because uh you

3:07:03know, you got to fight against

3:07:04healthcare equality and one of the risk

3:07:07and the threats we know in the long run

3:07:10neon will go under. I hope not, but it's

3:07:15moving in that direction. And so what

3:07:16you're gonna leave is a void there in

3:07:19the Glennville Collway area. Even if

3:07:22it's the perception of it, even if you

3:07:25say like you said, okay, we will move

3:07:28Jay Glenn Health Center to the former

3:07:31East Side Market, but I heard you

3:07:33mention two buses or something that

3:07:37people have to go to or something like

3:07:38that. Did I hear through the chair that

3:07:40you mentioned?

3:07:40>> So through the chair. So, uh, the Jay

3:07:43Glenn Smith, when people in the

3:07:44community think about Jay Glenn Smith,

3:07:46they're thinking either about the

3:07:47services that are provided by public

3:07:49health or they're thinking about the

3:07:51services provided by Metro, right? And

3:07:53so, Metro Health is just they're looking

3:07:55to be around the corner um, and stay in

3:07:57Glennville forever and ever. The health

3:08:00center, we we've got to think about

3:08:01where our service is most needed in

3:08:04terms of access to sexually transmitted

3:08:06infection, testing and treatment,

3:08:08pregnancy testing, birth control. Um,

3:08:11and so where Planned Parenthood used to

3:08:13be at Church Square is it's a nice

3:08:15option, but but we're still looking and

3:08:17we've got a few months to to figure it

3:08:19out. And so I'm I'm glad we're talking

3:08:20about this in a public setting because

3:08:22if there are folks at home listening,

3:08:24residents, happy to come to any of your

3:08:26community meetings and folks have other

3:08:28ideas where where we're most needed in

3:08:31our in terms of our clinical services,

3:08:32we'll be there.

3:08:33>> They're our bosses. Yep. our board of

3:08:36directors, the people in Glennville and

3:08:38Huff, so they deserve to know and hear

3:08:42what's going on. Council member Mike

3:08:45Pinsic

3:08:46is talking with his residents. When I

3:08:48went to talk about the uh I mean, listen

3:08:51to Brian Kazy about the um what was

3:08:54that? We were there

3:08:55>> data center.

3:08:56>> Data center.

3:08:57>> So, I'm leaving, right? And so, I got

3:09:01surrounded by my council member Mike

3:09:03Pencic. They're my bosses. Also, I'm a

3:09:06Cleveland city council member, so I care

3:09:08about what happens throughout the whole

3:09:10city on a macro level. And Slife Ward,

3:09:14whatever the case may be, you a

3:09:15Cleveland city council member, so they

3:09:17surrounded me and they deserve, isn't

3:09:19that right, um, chairman?

3:09:20>> Yes.

3:09:21>> They deserve that we do a have a joint

3:09:24meeting with Glennville and Colinwood

3:09:26perhaps sometime in November or the

3:09:28first part of December early, not when

3:09:30it's really super cold outside. And then

3:09:33we might meet at Glennville High School

3:09:35or whatever the case may be. We push it

3:09:38and the focus will be not Glennville

3:09:40High School but the focus will be on Jay

3:09:43Glenn Health Center because if that gap

3:09:46there, they're looking at healthcare

3:09:47inequality and council member Mike

3:09:50Pencic and I cannot have that. And now I

3:09:53do know because I visit Jay Glenn Health

3:09:56Center a lot and I see the physical

3:09:58plant is in a horrible condition and you

3:10:02shouldn't have a horrible condition

3:10:03because eventually you're going to have

3:10:05the unions coming down on you about

3:10:07that. I mean it's it's terrible in there

3:10:09um council um president and

3:10:12>> you inherit it but it is the city fought

3:10:15because as we were discussing it early

3:10:17we should have had preventive

3:10:19maintenance maintenance in there but

3:10:20when you go in that plant that physical

3:10:22plant um it's not a good thing for the

3:10:25employees

3:10:27>> and and through the chair you know Metro

3:10:30Health side is worse than our side our

3:10:32side we've had some great improvements

3:10:34from from the the team here to my left

3:10:36um But but Metro Health, you know,

3:10:38they've been paying $1 a year for rent

3:10:41or or something like that, right? And

3:10:43so, um, you know, going forward, we're

3:10:45we're entering into better agreements

3:10:47where where maintenance is thought

3:10:49through, um, in the long run and and and

3:10:52as you've heard.

3:10:53>> Um, and so I'm I'm excited about the

3:10:55investment just like I'm excited about

3:10:56the new high school, the the idea of a

3:10:58new health center in Glennville, like

3:11:00that is all, you know, part of this

3:11:02plan. So,

3:11:02>> you know what? You know what? And and

3:11:03one thing about um employees

3:11:07You have to have through the chair a

3:11:08strong and a good physical plant. You

3:11:11know, I looked at that when I visit Jay

3:11:13Glenn. I said, "This is horrible." The

3:11:15same thing with the fire department.

3:11:17When I visit them on Sunday, I look

3:11:19around. I'm like, "This is terrible."

3:11:22>> It's terrible. Because then workers, you

3:11:25won't get the best out of your workers,

3:11:27out of your employees because they feel

3:11:29like you don't care about them. It must

3:11:31be safe. And it must be safe for

3:11:33customers, vendors as well as employees.

3:11:38All those three things must must be

3:11:40there. And then also the way Jay Glenn

3:11:43look as well as the fire stations,

3:11:49you you could look at your workers

3:11:50compensation, it will go up. The reason

3:11:53why because if it's unsafe, you're going

3:11:55to have um you have a lot of different

3:11:57tors that would be there and you have a

3:11:59threat a threat of that. And I don't

3:12:01like that at all. So I look around the

3:12:03whole piece. Now switching gears back to

3:12:05you, Dr. David Mongolius

3:12:08when they move Metro Health. Matter of

3:12:11fact, I have a meeting with the

3:12:13president on Tuesday to discuss this um

3:12:16council uh um chairman the uh Metro

3:12:20Health. Um I don't want it to be a gap

3:12:23in services at all because then you

3:12:25you're you're promoting healthcare

3:12:27inequality. It should be that they move

3:12:30from um Jay Glenn Health Center to the

3:12:34east side market. when they move to the

3:12:36east side market, what that's going to

3:12:37do is increase density in that area,

3:12:41density for the other uh businesses in

3:12:44that um shopping center as well as when

3:12:46we put our request for proposals out to

3:12:49other vendors, they'll see the density

3:12:52there and with the um people going to

3:12:55Metro Health and they'll shop at East

3:12:56Side Market, which will help us out also

3:13:00with um developing marketing uh food

3:13:04desert and things like that in the

3:13:06community. It's really correlated. It's

3:13:08really correlated. But that gap, it

3:13:10can't be a gap there straight from Jay

3:13:13Glenn Health Center to the east side

3:13:15market. You got to have that, you know,

3:13:17because uh and they do deserve us. We'll

3:13:20sit down. I'll talk with uh um chairman

3:13:23uh Mike Penc. We'll discuss it

3:13:26>> and then we'll bring you in to talk

3:13:28about what the city is going to do. And

3:13:29he's right. And the reason why

3:13:32council uh councilman Mike Pinsk he's

3:13:35seen a lot over his 50 years in a

3:13:38disinvestment

3:13:40with uh on the east side and he even uh

3:13:44it was me um uh going back historical

3:13:48history former council member coat Mike

3:13:50Pinsik and I council member Mike Pinsik

3:13:52and I they were talking about closing uh

3:13:56uh Jay Glenn Health Center at least 10

3:13:58years ago and we fought against that.

3:14:00You remember that

3:14:01>> we stopped it. We stopped it.

3:14:02>> We stopped it. We fought against that

3:14:04from happening. And so a lot of promises

3:14:07and he's right. A lot of promises uh

3:14:09different administrations have promised

3:14:11us things. And council member Slife just

3:14:14mentioned,

3:14:15Council Member uh Mike Pinsky and I

3:14:17inherited that part of St. Clair that

3:14:20you narrated over there. It looks

3:14:23similar to East Cleveland. And then you

3:14:26wonder why they don't vote because they

3:14:28see abject poverty and place matters.

3:14:31And so when they see that Jay Glenn

3:14:33Health Center is leaving, they get

3:14:35nervous because they know they have

3:14:37promises, promises, promises, promises.

3:14:40And that's what he is talking about.

3:14:42Even um council member uh Mike Pinsik

3:14:46and I met with um Eugene Sanders as well

3:14:49as um Eric Gordon and

3:14:53Council Member Mike Pinsik and former

3:14:55council member Jeff Johnson said we were

3:14:58going to go to where we are today and

3:15:00that we were going to eventually lose

3:15:02Colinwood High School. Now, council

3:15:04member I mean and the mayor uh bib

3:15:08inherited he you got the baton now but

3:15:11you remember that don't you when we met

3:15:13with Eric.

3:15:14>> Yeah.

3:15:14>> And we said it's going to be where it's

3:15:15at today and now you don't have the

3:15:19Colwood High School. So he's looking at

3:15:21trends and the trends um um is carrying

3:15:25him and the other people. So they don't

3:15:27see victories and they don't see wins.

3:15:30So you cannot have a gap there. And I'm

3:15:33talking institutional knowledge. When I

3:15:35see me and this man, we've been here the

3:15:37longest of all the council members and

3:15:39we see gaps and we don't want that to

3:15:42happen to our residents. If you love

3:15:43them, my residents, they're my bosses.

3:15:45They matter of fact, they're your board

3:15:47of directors as well. Um, director, as

3:15:49well as Mayor Bib and a lot of council

3:15:51members and a lot of politicians don't

3:15:53like to say that, but the people there

3:15:55are bosses from the councilman to the

3:15:58president of the United States of

3:16:00America. And I yield. Thank you. Thank

3:16:02you, Councilman. Councilwoman Hudson.

3:16:05>> Thank you, Mr. Chair. Um, I just wanted

3:16:07to to follow up on some of the

3:16:09demolition costs. So, um, you mentioned

3:16:11that you were the city's applying for a

3:16:13grant um, for the demo. We talked about

3:16:16this in the other committee on Monday.

3:16:18So, the grant would be for, um, through

3:16:22the chair, the the demo of Walton and

3:16:25Newton D. Baker

3:16:27>> uh, through the chairman, the

3:16:28councilman. So each demolition would be

3:16:30a separate application so that we have

3:16:33the best opportunity of having a variety

3:16:36of wins or losses. So yes, there would

3:16:38be an application for the Walton school.

3:16:40There would be an application for the

3:16:42Newton Baker School. Um and those are

3:16:45the only two applications that relate to

3:16:47this ordinance.

3:16:47>> Okay. And part of that through the chair

3:16:49is that there is a uh 25% match required

3:16:52by the city

3:16:53>> through the chairman councilman. Yes,

3:16:55there is a match. I I'm 99% sure it's

3:16:5725%. Okay. Just so 25% of 1.3 million is

3:17:01$325,000.

3:17:03Um, you know, potentially times two, not

3:17:07sure if they would happen within the

3:17:08same year or not. Um, do you know what

3:17:11the city's current annual budget is for

3:17:14demolitions?

3:17:16>> Uh, through the chairman of the

3:17:17counciloman. I do not.

3:17:18>> Um, could I put in a request for that

3:17:20information?

3:17:21>> Um, sure.

3:17:22>> Have you received it yet?

3:17:24>> No, I didn't. I didn't. I just I want to

3:17:25put that request in now. um what the

3:17:27city's annual budget is because I know

3:17:29there's a limited amount of money that's

3:17:31available for for for demos in the city.

3:17:33>> I want to make sure

3:17:36did you hear that request? Thank you. Go

3:17:38ahead.

3:17:38>> And um I I I know that in the past, you

3:17:42know, certain demo projects have been

3:17:44held up because we, you know, run out of

3:17:46money. Um so I I don't think that there

3:17:49is an infinite amount of of dollars out

3:17:51there available for for demolition. So,

3:17:53I'm I'm concerned about the, you know,

3:17:56just the the 25% match. I agree. We

3:17:59don't want vacant schools sitting

3:18:01around.

3:18:02>> Um,

3:18:04and then I'd also like to ask,

3:18:09you know, the the legislation mentions

3:18:12that the the site of the Jay Glenn Smith

3:18:15Health Center is the future site of

3:18:18YMCA.

3:18:20Is that correct? Did I read that? uh

3:18:22through the chairman of the councilman.

3:18:24So the the school district and the YMCA

3:18:29are working on how both facilities would

3:18:32be cited on the same property. Um so we

3:18:35don't know exactly where um the school

3:18:38is going to be located, where the YMCA

3:18:40would be located, but they're working on

3:18:42a shared campus, if you will, that would

3:18:44be surrounded by Forest Hills Park, but

3:18:46we don't know exactly where they're

3:18:47cited yet, but they're working on it.

3:18:49And would this site also include um

3:18:52through the chair the Glenville rec

3:18:54center which is currently on the site I

3:18:56believe attached to the to the high

3:18:58school.

3:18:59>> So the um through the chairman of the

3:19:01councilman. So the Glennville rec center

3:19:04is on CMSD land that we lease from CMSD

3:19:08for just a dollar. So no cost. But if

3:19:11the YMCA is successful in getting their

3:19:14funding together and building a new

3:19:16YMCA, then we would discontinue the um

3:19:19the Glenville uh rec center site.

3:19:22>> Okay. So, it would be a YMCA and and no

3:19:26longer uh a rec center on that site.

3:19:30>> Correct. But that's um you know if if

3:19:33the YMCA is not successful then we as

3:19:37administration would work with

3:19:39Councilman Conwell on where the

3:19:41recreation center would be located

3:19:44>> on that site through the chair.

3:19:46>> Yeah.

3:19:46>> Okay.

3:19:47>> Thank you. Um and just for

3:19:51clarification, does the city have

3:19:53intentions of building on what's

3:19:55currently Forest Hills Park? because

3:19:58there was legislation that passed on

3:19:59Monday that changed the zoning of, you

3:20:02know, a large piece of of land that's um

3:20:05currently being used as a park and it's

3:20:08uh zoning is two family um but it was

3:20:11reszoned to a civic use

3:20:15>> uh through the chairman of the council

3:20:16woman. So, I I did not know that that's

3:20:19what the controversy was related to that

3:20:21um ordinance, but I can I can absolutely

3:20:25tell you that the city is not

3:20:27transferring any parkland to CMSD and

3:20:30any improvements we would make to that

3:20:33parkland would be purely for park and

3:20:35recreation uses. So, I anticipate that

3:20:39the city would have a park improvement

3:20:41project um similar to what we're doing

3:20:44at Kudo Commons when the school is being

3:20:46completed. We would roll in with park

3:20:48improvements. I I would imagine we would

3:20:50do something similar, but we are not

3:20:53considering transferring any land to the

3:20:56Y, to the CMSD, or to any other third

3:20:58party.

3:20:59>> Okay. So, um, through the chair, I

3:21:01understand you're not intending to

3:21:02transfer it, but would would the city

3:21:06>> is the city intending to build anything

3:21:08on the park itself without transferring

3:21:11it? Um, because I I asked because the

3:21:13you're not

3:21:14>> we're not I mean, there could be ball

3:21:15fields, there could be, you know, um,

3:21:18spray basins, there could be basketball

3:21:20courts, but there there would be no use

3:21:23that isn't a park or wreck use that the

3:21:26city operates.

3:21:26>> Okay. I I appreciate that clarification.

3:21:28It's it's very helpful. Um I just don't

3:21:31understand why um the zoning change to

3:21:34civic was sought versus keeping it open

3:21:36park recreation. Um and I understand

3:21:38this is in a form-based code pilot area.

3:21:41So um I believe that open, you know,

3:21:45park green space can include things like

3:21:48basketball courts, baseball fields, um

3:21:51just not structures. So there there was

3:21:54controversy and that's because of the

3:21:56the zoning being changed to civic versus

3:22:00park

3:22:01>> specifically.

3:22:02>> Um through the chairman of the council

3:22:04woman I was not brought into any of

3:22:05those discussions. So I'd have to defer

3:22:07to um director Mersman on that.

3:22:09>> Okay. Thank you.

3:22:10>> And that's why there was what six of us

3:22:12or maybe more than that that voted

3:22:14against that because there was there is

3:22:16a lack of confusion here. there is what

3:22:19is what was what's the underlying

3:22:23thoughts for that property? What's being

3:22:26decided upon

3:22:27>> uh through the chairman of the

3:22:28councilman? We only intended to be a

3:22:31park.

3:22:31>> Okay.

3:22:32>> And the only improvements that would be

3:22:33in the park would be our typical park

3:22:36improvements.

3:22:37>> Um but again, I was not part of those

3:22:40discussions. So I I really don't know

3:22:41why there was a zoning change.

3:22:44>> Thank you. I I just, you know, I want to

3:22:45put it out there that I believe that all

3:22:46parks in the city should be zoned as um

3:22:50parks, open open space, green space um

3:22:52specifically so that you cannot build on

3:22:55them without um you know uh a zoning

3:22:59change.

3:23:00And that's all I yield.

3:23:02>> Okay. Any other questions of the

3:23:04committee members? Any other questions?

3:23:07>> Yes, Councilman

3:23:09real quick. I like the contingency plan

3:23:13about um the YMCA

3:23:16>> and when you meet through the chair,

3:23:18when you meet with my residents, we talk

3:23:20about Glennville High School. We know

3:23:22they have the bond dollars to do what

3:23:24they have to do and they pass the

3:23:26legislation and we're building a campus

3:23:29there.

3:23:31Okay. But the contingency, so if they

3:23:34don't, let's say for example, the YMCA

3:23:37do not have the funding or the money

3:23:39because this hard times. Now,

3:23:43when will we know that they do not

3:23:46because you if they don't hit a certain

3:23:48milestone, that would tell me that

3:23:51they're not going to uh have the funding

3:23:54to um be able to execute on building a

3:23:57YMCA.

3:23:58>> Then we need to go into the mode of uh

3:24:01making sure that the residents will have

3:24:03a recreation center

3:24:05>> through the chair.

3:24:07>> Through the chair of the council. Yes,

3:24:08sir. And that's why we have a meeting

3:24:09with the YMC on Friday with yourself so

3:24:12that we can go through those details and

3:24:13and and see if you're comfortable with

3:24:15the milestones that they're presenting.

3:24:17>> All right, cool. I'll be there. Thank

3:24:19you very much.

3:24:20>> Thank you, Councilman. And you know, as

3:24:22as a result of Colossing Colood, the

3:24:25afterchool program, recreation program

3:24:27has vanished, has disappeared. So an

3:24:30entire Colwood Ningham SBA statistical

3:24:33planning area, Uclid Green SBA, there's

3:24:35no recreation facility now, which again

3:24:39I post to the administration. You know,

3:24:41what's the game plan? No recreation now.

3:24:44No recreational opportunities in that

3:24:46entire area of the city of Cleveland. So

3:24:49again, it's something that we're very

3:24:50much concerned about. Um and so that's

3:24:54part of the outrage that's taking place

3:24:55in the community. So, um, ordinance

3:24:58number, and I would ask this, I want to

3:25:00indicate to my colleagues. I want to

3:25:02just say I I it has no bearing on

3:25:04Councilman Slice, Santana, Councilman

3:25:06Conwell, or any of my other colleagues.

3:25:09Um, but I am going to um indicate a no

3:25:12vote because of my with my um growing

3:25:15concerns with this administration as it

3:25:17pertains to having no game plan for the

3:25:20northeast side. I'd ask that my name be

3:25:22removed as well. So without any without

3:25:25objections

3:25:27um ordinance number 927-2026

3:25:31is is approved and I want to indicate a

3:25:34no vote. Okay. Thank you my colleagues.

3:25:37Thank you.

3:25:45>> I'll be there.

3:25:54Oh, wait a minute. We off. Wait a

3:25:55minute. Get up there.

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