2026-09-15 - Plans and Policies Committee

00:00:00I'd like to thank everyone for being here, first of all, especially our council

00:00:04members who are not getting paid for this.

00:00:09Thank you.

00:00:09But I do appreciate everyone being here.

00:00:12Today, we have a couple of discussions for consideration.

00:00:16The marijuana drive-thru facility hours, as well as the realignment or alignment of

00:00:22boards and commission that the city clerk has been, and with the legal staff, been

00:00:27working on. So with that, I will

00:00:33have the Madam Secretary call the roll.

00:00:37Hiram.

00:00:38Here.

00:00:39Hardinge. Osmer.

00:00:42Here.

00:00:42McColl.

00:00:43Here.

00:00:44First item of business, it's my understanding due to some

00:00:49unforeseen circumstances, we don't have the minutes today for approval.

00:00:55Is that correct?

00:00:56You will have both sets at your next meeting.

00:00:58The next meeting. So that moves us down to item number three, discussion on

00:01:03marijuana drive-thru facility hours.

00:01:06This has been discussed, brought up in the last two meetings.

00:01:10Despite what some people may think, nothing happens in this committee, but it does.

00:01:16Things happen as soon as you pass time.

00:01:19So, I'll hand turn it over to-

00:01:22Matt

00:01:23... city manager, Assistant City Manager Maurice, to walk us through the process.

00:01:28Good afternoon. First one I have concerning this discussion on marijuana drive-thru

00:01:32facility hours. We have our legal team, and Jordan Paul will talk a little bit

00:01:36about just some background and history, talk a little bit about some of the other

00:01:38communities and what they do, specifically St. Louis, Kansas City.

00:01:42We also have planning staff, police, as well as finance staff here as well to

00:01:46address any questions that you may have for the discussion. Jordan?

00:01:49So, Councilman, I got your question ahead of time.

00:01:52So, kind of my review was limited to just looking at what a couple of the other

00:01:56large communities do around the state.

00:01:59Right now, the Springfield rule is we're open 6:00 to 10:00, and of course, the

00:02:04proposal in front of you would extend drive-thru hours to 1:30.

00:02:08What the other cities do, St. Louis has 8 to 10 hours.

00:02:12One thing that I thought was interesting about the St.

00:02:14Louis ordinance is you can get extended hours by CUP.

00:02:20I didn't see anything that showed up in the papers as to when that had occurred.

00:02:25So I don't know to what extent they might be willing to increase hours, but their

00:02:28default hours are 8 to 10. They also require a CUP for all drive-thrus, which was

00:02:33kind of interesting. Kansas City is 8 to 10, no extended hours.

00:02:37Columbia is 6 to 10, no extended hours. Independence, also 8 to 10.

00:02:44Lee's Summit looked like they did some baby splitting.

00:02:47They had 9 to 9 Monday through Friday, 9 to 6 Saturday, 10 to 6 Sunday.

00:02:53But basically, we're pretty in line with other communities around the state, and

00:02:59that's what other folks are doing.

00:03:01So if there are other things you want me to look into, I'm happy to, but that's

00:03:03kind of the state of other ordinances around the state.

00:03:07Thank you, Jordan, for that report.

00:03:12Any council member questions?

00:03:14If we made this to 1:30 in the morning, we'd be the most liberal

00:03:20city in the state of Missouri?

00:03:22Among the large cities, I do think there are much smaller communities that

00:03:28sometimes regulate it entirely by conditional use permits.

00:03:31I do think there are some stores in smaller areas that may be 24-hour or have

00:03:37extremely long hours. But certainly among the major metropolitan areas, this would

00:03:41be the

00:03:43most open.

00:03:44Do we know of a city that has a 24-hour use or 24-hour purchase?

00:03:52I think some of this came up in the survey and got run down because they were

00:03:54small, but I can find those.

00:03:58But as far as Kansas City, St. Louis, Lee's Summit, Columbia, the cities that are

00:04:04equivalent to Springfield, we would be the most liberal-

00:04:08Right

00:04:08... as far as allowing the sale of marijuana in the city of Springfield.

00:04:12That's true.

00:04:13I have no desire to aspire to be like Columbia.

00:04:18Please put that on the record.

00:04:19Any other questions for Jordan?

00:04:24I'm good.

00:04:25Okay. Good.

00:04:26So we could do a conditional use permit that's permissible.

00:04:29I think that's the thing that when I previously, when the bill was up on committee

00:04:34or on the council, we talked about a conditional use permit being a condition in

00:04:40order to drive-thru facility and for extended hours.

00:04:43Right. And that looks like it is what they do in St.

00:04:46Louis, where, again, I didn't see an example where and how that had played out in

00:04:52practice, but their code at least provides for extending hours beyond the default 8

00:04:56to 10 through conditional use permit. That's certainly an option for anyone.

00:05:00Thank you.

00:05:02So would that be something that someone could apply for if you had an existing

00:05:08business and you wanted to extend your hours?

00:05:10Or would an ordinance like this extend hours for everybody automatically?

00:05:16How would that work?

00:05:17What you have before you is, as I recall, a straight text amendment that would

00:05:20extend hours for everybody by default.

00:05:24Certainly, the committee could recommend that we go to a conditional use permit

00:05:28model where you look at each location and decide what those hours look like.

00:05:31You may decide that some locations shouldn't have any hours, maybe some should have

00:05:36two or three, maybe some should have more than that.

00:05:38But certainly, if you adopted a conditional use permit framework, you could take it

00:05:43on a case-by-case basis.

00:05:44Sure. Because there may be some businesses that wouldn't want to extend their hours

00:05:49because that would require additional workforce and that sort of thing.

00:05:53So could that be something that we make a requirement to

00:05:59apply, and then it is considered?

00:06:01Sure.

00:06:05Please. Go ahead.

00:06:05Also, when we initially passed the zoning issues for marijuana

00:06:11facilities, we could have required a lot more spacing

00:06:17from the facilities to school, churches.

00:06:20Go ahead.

00:06:20I think it's the-

00:06:21Right. I wasn't here when you all did that, but my recollection is that the

00:06:25constitutional amendment provided a minimum setback, and that different

00:06:30municipalities were certainly free to extend that setback if they wished.

00:06:33I think we did. We made it closer so that you could have them closer to schools,

00:06:38closer to churches, closer to other facilities that the

00:06:44Constitution might make little... I believe that's correct. Do you remember that?

00:06:49Usually, the state would probably set

00:06:52a floor, and so if it said there it was 350 feet, for example.

00:06:57Typically, we would not be allowed to go less than 350 feet.

00:06:59We would be allowed to be more restrictive and require it at 500.

00:07:03But I'm sure there was conversation about what other communities were doing, and

00:07:06maybe these were stricter than the state, but less strict than other communities.

00:07:12I think we made it--

00:07:16We allowed them to be closer to those facilities.

00:07:18I think that's-

00:07:19Yeah. But I agree. I wasn't here either, but I agree with Jordan.

00:07:24Typically, when the state sets a minimum, you can be more restrictive, but

00:07:29you can't be less. So if it was 300 feet or if it was 500 feet, you wouldn't have

00:07:34been able to go less than that. You would've had to meet a minimum.

00:07:37You could have made it 1,000 feet, but you couldn't be less than the minimum.

00:07:42That's what it stays at.

00:07:44Well-

00:07:45I'm sorry. I don't know that, but I know that's how the state statutes are.

00:07:51Since you're up, how would a

00:07:55CUP operate in this kind of environment?

00:07:58I'm glad you asked that because we were just talking about that.

00:08:01So as you know, the CUP process is now trying to

00:08:07expedite, be efficient, and so forth.

00:08:09All CUPs go to planning and zoning, but they now don't come to the city council.

00:08:14So in this particular instance, since there is an independent

00:08:18ordinance on the books for marijuana dispensaries and things like that, I would

00:08:23assume that you could coordinate that with any kind of a modification, or as we

00:08:27call it, a text amendment in the zoning code that would say, in this case, and this

00:08:33may be the only case, that if we are going to issue any kind of a

00:08:38CUP for a marijuana dispensary, then that CUP

00:08:44would have to go to city council. Maybe all others don't, but that could be one.

00:08:48Jordan, you'll have to-

00:08:49Yeah, you can certainly-

00:08:51... help me out on that

00:08:51... write it that way. It's just code.

00:08:53Code right now, the default to CUPs stop at P&Z, I think unless there's an appeal.

00:08:57If there's an appeal. Yeah.

00:08:58You can certainly, as you decide what needs a CUP going forward, if there's

00:09:03something you want to carve out of that to go to council, you can always make that

00:09:06decision.

00:09:08Okay. Any other questions of legal?

00:09:14All right. Thanks, Troy.

00:09:15Thank you.

00:09:16You're welcome.

00:09:17Got planning staff as well as police and finance here.

00:09:20So why don't you have the police step up?

00:09:25Any questions you might have concerning-

00:09:27Yeah.

00:09:29Is there anything you want to-

00:09:32Well, I know SPD's taking a formal position to be sort of neutral on the

00:09:37issue, and

00:09:41try to ask this in an artful way, but do you think this is a good idea to open

00:09:46facilities up till 1:30 in the morning?

00:09:49When-- Especially, the concern I've got is you've got somebody drive, maybe they've

00:09:53been at bars, maybe they've been somewhere else where they've been smoking

00:09:56marijuana all day, and they drive through a dispensary.

00:09:59The dispensary has no train-- The witness that testified said he had no training,

00:10:03didn't train staff on recognizing...

00:10:05I think it's even hard for officers to identify somebody that's impaired with

00:10:09marijuana.

00:10:09Mm-hmm.

00:10:10But they have no training. They're going to sell marijuana to anybody that comes

00:10:13through the door if they meet the basic requirements.

00:10:16Is that good for the motoring public in the city of Springfield?

00:10:21So I would say we were open to the possibility of expanding as far as 1:30, similar

00:10:26to the alcohol sales, but we would certainly not oppose restricting that further,

00:10:29making it shorter hours. So sharing the same concerns, uh, that you're describing.

00:10:35Um.

00:10:35Because there's no question that marijuana, it impairs driving

00:10:41ability.

00:10:42Right.

00:10:42And it makes the motoring public more unsafe when someone's on marijuana versus

00:10:47driving-

00:10:48Right

00:10:49... clear-headed.

00:10:50Yes. I agree with that for sure.

00:10:51And

00:10:53it also seems that if you don't have people that are trained to recognize when

00:10:57someone's impaired, selling them more marijuana is not a good idea.

00:11:01I would agree. I still think it's more difficult to determine impairment with

00:11:04marijuana than it is with alcohol, but with all the experience we have-

00:11:06And it's even greater when, or it's even more difficult when you don't have any

00:11:10training.

00:11:11Correct.

00:11:11And if you've got a 21-year-old kid selling marijuana to anybody that comes through

00:11:16the drive-through,

00:11:19it just seems like it's a recipe for...

00:11:23Problems in the city.

00:11:24I'm sure there's a question in there somewhere.

00:11:26There is. Thank you. Do you think it's going to be a problem for the motoring

00:11:30public? And what happens when the first person gets killed in a motor vehicle

00:11:33accident where the driver is impaired?

00:11:35I think it brings the potential for problems, much like alcohol and other things.

00:11:40But, uh, you know, like I said, we would be open to restricting it further, and

00:11:45we'd support with that.

00:11:47Thank you.

00:11:47Go ahead.

00:11:49Could people be impaired from smoking marijuana during the hours that it's already

00:11:54open?

00:11:55Certainly, yes.

00:11:56Okay. So, I mean, the hours really...

00:12:00I don't know what the additional hours has to do with it,

00:12:05because I see people drunk in the middle of the day, too.

00:12:12Can I ask a quick rebuttal?

00:12:13But you do see more people impaired from 10:00 p.m. to 2:00 p.m.

00:12:19in the city of Springfield, impaired whether it's alcohol, whether it's marijuana.

00:12:25I would say we certainly encounter more people doing various things in the later

00:12:30night hours. That's for certain.

00:12:31Yeah.

00:12:33There is a correlate-- There's even seen worse when someone's on, taking marijuana

00:12:38or smoking marijuana and ingesting alcohol.

00:12:41Correct. The two combined would cause a greater effect.

00:12:44Thank you.

00:12:47Any other question of law enforcement?

00:12:51I mean, I guess, uh, the passage of this has been in a...

00:12:57I guess for quite some time now. It's over two years, almost two years.

00:13:03Uh, and I think there was an anticipation of being

00:13:09overwhelming taxing on police resources.

00:13:15Have you seen that?

00:13:17Not to the extent that we thought it might be.

00:13:20Yeah.

00:13:20So.

00:13:21Okay. And isn't it also true that the, uh,

00:13:25police department and virtual real-time crime center is,

00:13:31I guess, revenues from the marijuana tax kind of funds that?

00:13:36Yeah.

00:13:36Okay. And, uh...

00:13:39Okay. That's my question.

00:13:44Anything else?

00:13:45Not for now.

00:13:47Okay. You got anything?

00:13:50Finance and finance.

00:13:50Finance. Why don't you from finance, since I've brought that up about revenues, uh,

00:13:55I'll hear from, uh-

00:13:56City Clerk Hocker, sir?

00:13:57Yeah.

00:13:58Sure.

00:14:00So, um, I have our last CTOC report for

00:14:05the fiscal year completed June 30.

00:14:09It shows about just under $1.9 million in sales tax for the fiscal

00:14:15year. It also has where those funds have gone, so it provides,

00:14:21uh, some detail on how the Finance and Administration Committee has

00:14:27recommended that we, uh,

00:14:31budget those funds.

00:14:36With that, I'd be happy to take any other questions you might have related to that.

00:14:49The sales tax, the four

00:14:53allowed uses for that are public safety, housing, mental health services, and

00:14:58substance abuse services. And there's a good mix of all of those in the

00:15:04current spending plan.

00:15:08And that is the Jail Diversion Program-

00:15:12Yes

00:15:12... Virtual Crime Center. So city services overhead. What's that?

00:15:18Uh, that's our fixed overhead cost that's applied to, um, all of our revenue

00:15:24and, uh, departments throughout the city.

00:15:28Uh, New Day for the Homeless, Crisis Cold Weather Shelter funding.

00:15:33These are the type of ongoing expenditures that are derived from the

00:15:39marijuana sales tax. Is that correct?

00:15:42Those in the black are the ongoing, yes.

00:15:45And then in the blue on the bottom of the schedule are the one time

00:15:51selections for the last fiscal year.

00:15:58Do you have any projections on future years?

00:16:02Does this align with the expected revenue for this fund,

00:16:07or what are your thoughts on that?

00:16:09So, uh, we were running short in fiscal

00:16:13'26. The last month, we received a very large check,

00:16:20um, probably catching up from a lot of the vendors.

00:16:23There's a lot of movement in locations and so forth.

00:16:27Um, so for the year, you can see we were basically on track for that $1.9 million

00:16:32budget.

00:16:35But, uh, it really hasn't grown. Twenty-five was very similar.

00:16:41Um, just under 1.9 million.

00:16:43Yep. Would it be safe to say that, you know, things such as adding maybe a few

00:16:49additional hours or there could be other policy changes that apply to this pool of

00:16:54funding, um, would you say that would be a net benefit for

00:17:01the overall expenditures that we already have?

00:17:03Adding revenue? You know,

00:17:07there could be a potential increase.

00:17:11It's like adding another

00:17:13store in the city. Um, unless it's unique and substantially different,

00:17:19um, what you're going to have is really a reallocation of sales from

00:17:25somewhere else.

00:17:30Okay. Thank you.

00:17:31You got a question?

00:17:31Well, you know, it just seems like we are trying to base our funding for things

00:17:37based on marijuana.

00:17:39Marijuana and vape stores,

00:17:42it doesn't seem to be the look that we want for the quality of place that we always

00:17:47talk about in the city of Springfield.

00:17:48We've got more dispensaries all over the city.

00:17:51We've got vape shops all over the city, and we don't do anything about them.

00:17:54Well-

00:17:55So, and I still think these don't add to the quality of place.

00:18:00These add risk to public safety. Um, I just think it's, we've

00:18:06allowed them to be closer to churches, residential facilities, uh, schools than the

00:18:12state constitution requires, and we're going to become the most liberal city

00:18:19And I'm a liberal, but we're going to become the most liberal city in the state of

00:18:24Missouri our size on the

00:18:27expansion of marijuana use. And I think it's a bad look for the city, and I think

00:18:31it's bad public policy.

00:18:33Ed, nothing?

00:18:35So I don't disagree with you on the vape shops, but marijuana typically is not sold

00:18:39in a vape shop, just so you're aware.

00:18:42Vape pens. But that's what we're depending on for revenue.

00:18:43Correct. But I also want to add, your concern about safety and security and that

00:18:48sort of thing, I think there's some validity to that.

00:18:51At the same time, these dispensaries are pretty much under lock and key.

00:18:56They're probably safer inside than any other retail place you're going to go into.

00:19:01If you've ever been in one, and I encourage you, you don't have to buy anything if

00:19:04you don't want to, but just to see the process that you have to go through in order

00:19:08to purchase anything. You have to show your ID.

00:19:12That's a locked, secure door in these facilities. You have to be escorted in.

00:19:17There's a wait. There's a lock on the door between the product until they let a few

00:19:22people in. It's a different retail experience than maybe what you've

00:19:27experienced before. So I understand when people leave the

00:19:33premises and they have their product, what they're doing with that and how safe

00:19:37they are, I think that's obviously subjective.

00:19:40But to say that these dispensaries are not good for the community, I don't know if

00:19:45that's patently true. In my opinion,

00:19:49I think they're more secure than a lot of places where you would buy things.

00:19:52Even alcohol, which you can buy at a grocery store, you can buy at a-

00:19:56Yes

00:19:56... convenience store, a gas station.

00:19:58These hemp products that are out there that are completely unregulated and not

00:20:01safe. This is a different type of retail environment.

00:20:04So that would be my argument is, I don't really see the harm in extending the

00:20:08hours. I think it's challenging to make the correlation between,

00:20:14to say that this is bad for public safety, I think is a reach just based

00:20:20on what I've seen in my experience.

00:20:23Ed, then Brittany.

00:20:25I agree with Heather in terms of safety.

00:20:29If we're talking about liberal, nothing is more liberal than telling businesses

00:20:34what to do with their business as government, and I think that's where I stand on

00:20:38this. I can't say that I've ever been into a marijuana facility.

00:20:42I do think they have good landscaping, which I appreciate for quality of place

00:20:45purposes compared to vape shops and stuff like that.

00:20:49But in terms of trying to, essentially we're talking about substances

00:20:55that can cause impairment. If bars and gas stations and things like that can sell

00:21:00substances till 1:30, I don't know why it's our job as government to limit

00:21:07when they can sell. If law enforcement came out and

00:21:13said, "This is a terrible idea, this is going to cause havoc," I would not support

00:21:18this. But with them being pretty neutral to the idea, they probably would love it

00:21:22for bars to close at 10:00 PM. So I think it's all across the spectrum.

00:21:28But when we're just going to point out this substance is worse off than this

00:21:32substance, that's not our role. That's just where I stand.

00:21:37Okay. And also, I see, David,

00:21:42that

00:21:44the municipal court building is also being funded by parts of the marijuana.

00:21:49Yes. We have set some funds aside in the marijuana sales tax fund.

00:21:55Almost a half a million there?

00:21:57Yes, that is correct.

00:21:59Okay.

00:22:01Yeah, go ahead.

00:22:02So if the city wanted to legalize methamphetamine, we could tax it, and so on here,

00:22:08we'd probably be able to fund a lot of these things even more so, right?

00:22:12Or other types of drugs or other criminal conduct, we could generate-

00:22:18This is something that's already legal, though.

00:22:20This is something that's already legal.

00:22:23We're making a public policy decision on whether or not they should be able to sell

00:22:27till 1:30 in the morning.

00:22:29Can bars sell till 1:30?

00:22:31That's done. Whether that's a good idea or not, I think it's a good idea.

00:22:36You look at the accidents that happen in the city of Springfield almost every

00:22:40day. People impaired on alcohol, crashing, killing people.

00:22:45Happens almost every day.

00:22:48Injuries. And I think that we're going down a path that is not good for

00:22:54the city. We don't have any limitation on where they can be.

00:22:59I think it's also important, we have 24-hour pharmacies, and you talk about

00:23:05narcotics and opioids is one of the biggest issue we have in society today is

00:23:10overdosing on those. Are we going to limit pharmacies where they can't get

00:23:14painkillers after hours?

00:23:16At least you have to have a doctor's prescription for that.

00:23:19Yeah.

00:23:21Well, thanks, David. I appreciate your presentation and giving us the information

00:23:26on the sales tax revenue generated by the marijuana

00:23:32tax we passed.

00:23:36So last, we have planning staff, if you have any questions of them that you may

00:23:40have some concerns or questions about.

00:23:45I do have one question in terms of,

00:23:50does it make a difference in terms of planning

00:23:55where a facility is located in terms of extended hours?

00:24:01Would that have any impact on anything

00:24:05on the

00:24:07extending of hours?

00:24:09I'm just trying to think of any possibility of that.

00:24:13A heavily congested area, traffic patterns, I don't know.

00:24:18Maybe that's something I'll look at.

00:24:20I don't know. I'll turn back to my team to see if there's any concerns that the

00:24:23team may have concerning that.

00:24:26I wouldn't think so. I think it would be handled probably through the conditional

00:24:30use process. There are some other uses that require the property front on a certain

00:24:35classification street in order for them to enter the river plan, so it can handle

00:24:38traffic, or so they're spaced out. That could certainly be a possibility as well.

00:24:44Have you heard of any issues concerning traffic drive-through marijuana

00:24:50facilities or anything like that?

00:24:52I have not heard of any. And I guess our initial research for the staff report, I

00:24:57think there's six or sorry, eight of them in the city. Is that right?

00:25:02There's a certain number in the city, and they're all located along major

00:25:05transportation corridors. I think that's probably where they generally gravitate

00:25:09to.

00:25:10Okay. Yeah.

00:25:11I think my question's here. I know it was sent to committee, and normally with

00:25:16things, we talk through, we get more facts on them, and then we send them back.

00:25:22If the only issue here is the fundamental issue of not

00:25:29wanting marijuana, I don't know what else we have here.

00:25:33That's just-

00:25:33That's it

00:25:33... what is our point?

00:25:36The only thing we have here is consideration of extended hours for

00:25:41marijuana dispensaries. Is that correct?

00:25:44That's what I think is-

00:25:45That's it

00:25:46... the only thing that's being considered.

00:25:48So we're just discussing it, and then-

00:25:50Well, but also whether or not we want to make it a conditional use permit, because

00:25:54I think the applicant is only one facility.

00:25:57So we've got nine facilities in the city of Springfield. If that's true.

00:26:02I think that's right. I think that's what, nine licensed by the state. Yes.

00:26:06Nine licensed by the state, and so only one has asked for drive-through hours till

00:26:111:30 in the morning.

00:26:13Most of them can have drive-through right now, can't they?

00:26:15As long as it's not-

00:26:17I believe there are six of them that currently have a drive-through.

00:26:20I'll also note that under the lane development code, any new drive-through,

00:26:24regardless of the use, whether it's a restaurant or a marijuana dispensary, that's

00:26:28an accessory use that's going to be required to get a conditional use permit as

00:26:31well.

00:26:31Mm-hmm.

00:26:32So that process is already in place for the drive-through facility itself.

00:26:37I guess my point is, if only one wants it, why wouldn't you do a conditional use

00:26:40permit? If just to-

00:26:44I would say it would give you an addition.

00:26:46So because they don't exist now, it would give planning and zoning an additional

00:26:49review of the criteria on a case-by-case basis to determine-

00:26:53That's what I'm saying. I think that makes a lot more sense than just saying

00:26:56everybody, if they want to do it, can do a drive-through facility regardless of

00:27:00where they are, regardless of how they operate, regardless if they want it.

00:27:02But is that what we're doing?

00:27:04No. Right now, the bill that was offered, my understanding was offered, anybody who

00:27:10sells marijuana-

00:27:11No

00:27:11... that has a drive-through facility could operate until 1:30 in the morning.

00:27:14That's correct. It's a text amendment for the code in general.

00:27:17Whether they ask for it or not. And I-

00:27:21You know, I think when school constituents find out that there's a marijuana

00:27:25facility that they didn't know was going to have a drive-through, because we've not

00:27:29notified any residents that live near these facilities, have we?

00:27:33I think we do have some drive-through facilities.

00:27:36Yeah. There's six of the nine are drive-through.

00:27:38Our drive-through facilities are to go operate till 1:30 in the morning.

00:27:41Did we notify any neighborhoods about this?

00:27:44So as part of the regular notification procedure, any text amendment gets sent out

00:27:47to the NAC, so all the neighborhood organizations did have an opportunity.

00:27:50But what about residents that live around the marijuana facilities?

00:27:55I don't believe that they were... Are you talking about the regular 185 foot?

00:27:59Yes.

00:27:59I don't believe that was provided as part of this.

00:28:01Is that-

00:28:01I'm not for certain

00:28:03... is that a requirement for a conditional use permit?

00:28:05Yes. So there's a notice in the public hearing report-

00:28:08Right

00:28:08... if we did or we changed.

00:28:11Because I think that does make sense to me.

00:28:14I mean, for them to apply for that permit on a case-by-case basis.

00:28:19It's just a small number currently, but we're also historically pretty new into

00:28:24this whole

00:28:26world of dispensaries and that sort of thing. So I think it makes sense.

00:28:31Well, I see that the

00:28:34applicant's legal counsel is here, and I would like to have him

00:28:39provide us your aspects of this, if you don't mind.

00:28:44Yeah.

00:28:46So I would say we are, this month, my client is a year into this process,

00:28:52and the outreach initially was asking what would it look like for us to be able to

00:28:56operate our drive-through later into the evening.

00:29:00And the

00:29:03initial conversation with city staff involved evaluating two different scenarios

00:29:08for that. One was an operating variance.

00:29:10The issue with an operating variance is you have to demonstrate a hardship, so it's

00:29:14more appropriate for I need a variance from a setback requirement because there's a

00:29:20geological problem or something like that. So it was going to be a heavier lift.

00:29:26The other opportunity was to go through the process we're going through now to

00:29:30change the ordinance.

00:29:32I

00:29:38do believe the neighborhood near my client's dispensary, they notified residents, I

00:29:43think. I think Tony did. And there was some feedback from residents that are

00:29:48probably in the record on it.

00:29:54My hesitation with conditional use permit is that we're already a year into this

00:29:57and we still haven't been able to extend our hours of operation, and now we're

00:30:01going to have to start over on a whole other process.

00:30:05It's not my decision, it's your guys'

00:30:11decision. I trust council to make good decisions. I'm a resident here.

00:30:16I believe in you guys. I'd feel a whole lot better about a conditional use permit

00:30:21if my client could get that conditional use permit as part of this process instead

00:30:26of having to start over.

00:30:28Sean, I do have a question. Right now,

00:30:31in terms of extended hours, our ordinance says from 6:00 to

00:30:3710:00, right?

00:30:39Right.

00:30:40So in order to change that to any other extended hours, would it

00:30:45be just changing the original ordinance or

00:30:51adding the provisions for a conditional use permit for those who make that

00:30:55application?

00:30:58I mean, I guess that's our choice to do that. I don't mind.

00:31:01Not sure if I'm totally tracking.

00:31:03Well, I'm saying could we extend the hours of drive-through or

00:31:09any marijuana dispensary to by just simply changing the ordinance from 6:00 to

00:31:1410:00 to 6:00 to 1:30?

00:31:16Yes, and that, I believe, is what's been referred to the committee.

00:31:19Okay. All right. But we could also add a provision subject to

00:31:25a conditional use permit?

00:31:27Yes, absolutely.

00:31:28That would give the local residents an opportunity to, I

00:31:34guess,

00:31:36have feedback on whether or not that would be an impact to their community and

00:31:42surrounding areas.

00:31:43Yeah. Those would go through the same public hearing process as all conditional use

00:31:48permits.

00:31:49Okay. All right. Go ahead.

00:31:54What was the spacing requirements? Do you remember?

00:31:57No, I don't.

00:31:58Can we look that up before we-

00:32:01Yes

00:32:02... what is the spacing requirements under the constitutional change?

00:32:07I'm

00:32:09pretty sure that was sort of an odd thing that said you can do it to 2,000 feet, or

00:32:15you can go less. I think we chose to go less.

00:32:21Yep. Go ahead.

00:32:22That's how I'd like to see.

00:32:24What's that?

00:32:25We'll find the answer to that.

00:32:26I'd like to find out what--

00:32:28I believe this is accurate. I believe we have the authority to put a much greater

00:32:34spacing requirement between

00:32:39churches, schools, and other limited facilities.

00:32:43Instead, we chose to go a lot closer.

00:32:48And when you look at that with St. Louis, Kansas City, that chose to go the longer

00:32:52distance, I think it even makes us...

00:32:57Well, right now we're only debating the extended hours.

00:33:00Right.

00:33:01But I think we need to know the full context of what we've got in the city of

00:33:04Springfield before we-

00:33:06I don't know that... Do we even have dispensaries that are in a neighborhood?

00:33:09I don't-

00:33:09I mean, most of these are on commercial property.

00:33:12Right.

00:33:13Is this even a problem that we need to address?

00:33:16There's a dispensary on Grand and

00:33:21National that is literally-

00:33:25I don't think so

00:33:27There's not one on Grand and National.

00:33:29That's the-

00:33:29I'm sorry, Grand and Glenstone

00:33:31... Glenstone.

00:33:32There's one on Grand and Glenstone, which has got neighbors, residential homes

00:33:37within-

00:33:38Okay

00:33:39... two blocks. And again, right at the corner of Grand, and what you're going to

00:33:44have...

00:33:47I'm sorry.

00:33:48No, go ahead.

00:33:48Keep saying something.

00:33:50The current requirement is 1,000 feet between a dispensary and a church, school.

00:33:55Is that in the-

00:33:57That is in the current zoning ordinance, yes.

00:34:00Oh, okay.

00:34:00Yes.

00:34:00And I looked up the state statute, and that's also what it says in the state

00:34:04statute. So we're compliant with the minimum of the state statute.

00:34:08But then would the state statute say we could go further?

00:34:12You can be more excessive, but you can't be less excessive.

00:34:16In the state statute, it's also 1,000 feet.

00:34:20We just mimic the state statute.

00:34:22I haven't found

00:34:25the direct

00:34:28statutory cite. What I'm reading says that

00:34:32we did have the option to relax it in this case.

00:34:34I'm sorry?

00:34:35What I'm seeing, I haven't seen the actual text yet, but what I'm seeing does say

00:34:39that we had the option to relax to under 1,000.

00:34:43And we chose to go with the state law.

00:34:45It looks like we stayed at 1,000.

00:34:47I think so.

00:34:48But we did have the authority to go lower, because what we said originally was that

00:34:52we couldn't go any lower than the state said.

00:34:55I do have it if you want me to read.

00:34:57Sure, go for it.

00:34:57Yeah. So, sorry.

00:35:01I'm going to give you a few.

00:35:04It's 1,000 feet in Kansas City, but they dropped it to 300 feet for churches and

00:35:09daycares. University City, 500 feet.

00:35:15300 feet, many municipalities. And it says here that

00:35:21200 feet, Springfield opted to significantly reduce the required barrier to a 200

00:35:27foot separation. So that's what I'm looking up.

00:35:30I can't tell you that this is-

00:35:33Well, 200-

00:35:34... online in ChatGPT.

00:35:36That's my point. We went closer. We allowed them to be closer than most other

00:35:41groups.

00:35:41According to this information, you did.

00:35:44And you wrote that?

00:35:45No, I was against it. I think we made it way too permissive

00:35:51then, and now we're going even further, and we're going to be-

00:35:55Brian, you had something else you wanted to add on?

00:35:58I can work with our law department.

00:36:00I know what you're referring to, and I can pull those minutes and give them to our

00:36:03law department.

00:36:04Yeah.

00:36:05One thing I did want to point out, there was some conversation, I know effort was

00:36:09made to look at what larger cities in the State of Missouri.

00:36:11There are six current dispensaries in the State of Missouri that operate 24 hours.

00:36:18Mm-hmm.

00:36:18And we

00:36:20sent this to Maurice to send out to the committee, I believe, right when the bill

00:36:24was fresh

00:36:27So they're in Grandview, O'Fallon, Overland, Missouri, St.

00:36:32Peters, Osage Beach, and Joplin. My client put this together, so I'm happy to

00:36:37answer any questions on it. And then the other thing I would say is,

00:36:43far and away, the majority of cities, albeit not the largest cities in the state,

00:36:48the cities that have approached this issue decide not to regulate the hours of

00:36:53operation. So we do, in our area, have several dispensaries in cities that do not

00:36:58currently operate under a law that says they're not allowed to be open.

00:37:02So Nixa has a dispensary, Ozark has a dispensary, Marshfield has a dispensary,

00:37:07Buffalo has a dispensary, and they're allowed to be open to whatever the market

00:37:13dictates they be open. They're not open 24 hours.

00:37:15I don't know what time they close currently.

00:37:17The

00:37:22initial application was saying, "Let's just remove it altogether." We've obviously

00:37:26scaled that back because of communications with the city police.

00:37:31But that's the majority view out there, is to say, "Just let the state law dictate,

00:37:35and the state law doesn't set hours of operation." So.

00:37:38Okay.

00:37:38That was all I had to add. Thank you.

00:37:40Okay, thanks.

00:37:42Marshfield? You let that happen in your city?

00:37:46Any other questions concerning this particular issue?

00:37:51So I

00:37:53tracked down an article that was the Ottawa Syndicating News Leader,

00:37:58and this does say that

00:38:03what you're remembering is 1,000 was the default.

00:38:07But it looks like we kept that for schools, but peeled it back for day cares and

00:38:12churches, which I believe it says mirrored at the time what was the rule for

00:38:17medical facilities.

00:38:20And you objected to it.

00:38:23At least I'm consistent.

00:38:26But I think that's what you remember.

00:38:34Any other questions or comments?

00:38:38Okay, what's the pleasure of the committee?

00:38:40We study this further or

00:38:43take it out of committee?

00:38:45I know we'd have to have Jordan prepare something to look at before.

00:38:51What would be our formal recommendation to

00:38:58allow conditional use permit for application for this sort of thing or something

00:39:01else? I feel like we just need to give direction to staff.

00:39:04I don't know that further research is going to provide us more information

00:39:08necessarily than what we already have-

00:39:10Right

00:39:10... related to this specific topic that's before us today.

00:39:19I mean, if we're against it, I think that's totally fine, but I think

00:39:25that that's something for the council to decide.

00:39:27I don't think there's really much more that we can do.

00:39:31I feel like you would have to at least agree with that.

00:39:33You can be against the whole thing, but-

00:39:35I don't have to agree to anything.

00:39:36We're fully aware. But I'm just saying, walking in circle, I mean, there's-

00:39:42You're saying do it with a conditional use permit?

00:39:46That's what the-

00:39:47That's what... I mean-

00:39:48Allow

00:39:50someone to open 24 hour, open to 1:30 with a drive-through facility, only a

00:39:55drive-through facility, contingent upon getting a conditional use permit that goes

00:40:00through planning and zoning and to council.

00:40:03Yeah. I think

00:40:06the fact that it

00:40:08creates a new process for the business, I think is a hurdle as it is.

00:40:13But I think it also addresses some of those issues that you brought up about

00:40:17neighborhood concerns and that sort of thing that, to your point, I think it's fair

00:40:21that neighborhoods be notified if hours are going to be extended and to what

00:40:26length.

00:40:28So I think a conditional use permit is appropriate, but that's just my one opinion.

00:40:35Sound like a good thing.

00:40:37So does that mean that the applicant that's been involved with this for a year has

00:40:42to go back to step- They'd have to apply and go through the process, so it would

00:40:48create

00:40:50a time

00:40:53barrier for the employer or for the business. What's our other option?

00:40:58The other option, as Jordan said, we could just change

00:41:02the extended hours to 1:30 for all

00:41:08dispensaries.

00:41:09Right. That's the bill you have in front of you.

00:41:12So you're certainly free to

00:41:15hold it over, make a recommendation.

00:41:18I would think that recommendation would be up vote, down vote what you got or an

00:41:21amended version. The up vote is just as proposed, originally in text amendment,

00:41:27which it applies to everybody. An amendment might look like something, a CUP

00:41:32requirement sent up to council. Council could amend that bill.

00:41:37If it passes, the applicant could then apply for the CUP.

00:41:41Those are kind of the probably two or three most common options you might be

00:41:44looking at.

00:41:49So what you want to do? What do you guys want to do?

00:41:55Conditional use permit makes a lot more sense and is a lot more...

00:42:01Yeah, I don't disagree. I don't like that this would create a new

00:42:07process. However,

00:42:10based on some of those other factors, I do think it's...

00:42:14S-

00:42:14So my question,

00:42:17since there's really nothing else more, in terms of research, can we vote it out

00:42:24of committee the way it is now, and then the full council make an amendment

00:42:30at that point?

00:42:33I guess we could, huh, Jordan?

00:42:35That's certainly an option.

00:42:37Then you're relying on council to make...

00:42:40Our obligation is to,

00:42:43purpose of a committee process is for us to get more detailed information.

00:42:48And if we've got a proposal that makes more sense, I think we need to report that.

00:42:54Makes more sense in your eyes.

00:42:55Well, I think it makes more sense, and Heather's indicated the CUP.

00:42:59I think-

00:43:00But I'd be supportive of that.

00:43:03I think our job as a committee is to do the research, discuss, and then provide

00:43:09that recommendation to council and see what they think.

00:43:14About your concerns about the overall timeline, the new code, again, so it does

00:43:18require that any new drive-through, regardless of whether it's a dispensary or a

00:43:22McDonald's, all new drive-throughs are going to have to get a CUP.

00:43:24A CUP.

00:43:26It's not going to extend the process for getting a new drive-through.

00:43:29Got it. But for current?

00:43:31For current ones, it would.

00:43:33Yeah. But if they already have the drive-through, they would have to apply for the

00:43:37CUP for this part of the process.

00:43:40For the extended hours.

00:43:41And what would be the length of time on that once it passes council?

00:43:4777 days is about the average time it takes to get from start to finish.

00:43:50And that's through council, that's with the, I'm sorry, two readings of council

00:43:55P&Z. But the new code also allows for that to stop at planning and zoning hold at

00:44:00the final approval hearing.

00:44:01Yeah.

00:44:02That's the standard.

00:44:04Yeah. So it wouldn't have to go back to council again.

00:44:07The public hearing would be at planning and zoning.

00:44:09And the decision.

00:44:10So that's what's

00:44:13with the current ones.

00:44:14Yeah.

00:44:15So that's at least like a 90-day delay.

00:44:16That was good.

00:44:17Can I-- I'm just going to ask a question, and hopefully this is helpful.

00:44:21And I heard what you said, and I know you guys are trying to find a path to balance

00:44:26all this out.

00:44:28Yeah.

00:44:29Jordan, when a CUP is approved, is that CUP

00:44:35only approved for that one very specific thing?

00:44:38So if I wanted a conditional use,

00:44:41and that was going to be the process that we allowed, council would decide to allow

00:44:47for an extension of hours. Could it be for only that, or can

00:44:53one CUP serve two requests?

00:44:58By two requests, you mean two properties?

00:45:01No, I'm going to give you a little bit more information.

00:45:04So just recently, and whether this is here to there, it's open

00:45:10information, this particular applicant has actually

00:45:16submitted an application for consideration of a second drive-through at the same

00:45:22location.

00:45:22Mm.

00:45:23So in my mind, and you saying, "I would like to keep this going," this

00:45:29particular applicant may be in a situation where if they're seeking a second

00:45:34driveway, they're going to have to go through a CUP process anyway.

00:45:38So during that CUP process, I'm only asking, can that CUP process cover

00:45:44both, in this particular instance, the second drive-through question as well as the

00:45:49hour question?

00:45:51The same applicant?

00:45:52Same applicant.

00:45:53Like that one

00:45:54If it's same applicant, same property, I don't know that I work in land use enough

00:45:58day-to-day to know the answer off the top of my head.

00:46:01But I would think that if you have other situations where multiple things that

00:46:06require CUPs are wrapped into one permit, you would do the same thing here.

00:46:10It seems like you would have one permit would be... It seems logical to me.

00:46:14And I think so too. I just wanted to verify that, and I felt like that was relevant

00:46:18information-

00:46:18Yeah

00:46:18... to provide since you guys were trying to go that direction.

00:46:21Is that the sum?

00:46:22Yeah.

00:46:23So you have a motion to-

00:46:24Do it anyways.

00:46:26Create a CUP.

00:46:26No?

00:46:26I didn't realize that.

00:46:27Create a CUP essentially for the site visit.

00:46:30Okay.

00:46:30Does that make it up?

00:46:32Yeah.

00:46:33So can we agree on that?

00:46:34Yeah.

00:46:35And recommend it.

00:46:37All right, then, uh, before we entertain a motion, do we want to move forward on

00:46:42it?

00:46:45Uh, I'll make a motion to

00:46:48recommend that council consider

00:46:52creating a CUP specifically for this item.

00:46:58For the extended hours of drive-through dispensary.

00:47:02Oh, to 1:30.

00:47:04Is it coming back to council? And not just copying it?

00:47:07I'm not gonna add that, but-

00:47:10Why do we want that to come back up?

00:47:11Because-

00:47:12So they're gonna get a public hearing. They're gonna get a public hearing.

00:47:15Why do we need to be involved in that part of it?

00:47:17Because we're the body that's elected.

00:47:19We're the body that's responsive to constituents.

00:47:21We're the-

00:47:21Right

00:47:22... we have to sort of advocate.

00:47:23And CUPs are-

00:47:24Yeah

00:47:24... can handle those just like their job.

00:47:26P and Z, isn't it?

00:47:27Yeah.

00:47:28Well, but they... This law just said that we can draft it any way we want, where

00:47:32this-

00:47:32We could. But then why would we... Why wouldn't everything come to us then?

00:47:37This is def- This is definitely-

00:47:38You said you didn't like specific outliers.

00:47:41I don't know. I don't see how this is really any different than any other CUP.

00:47:46I think it does provide that, um,

00:47:50the opportunity for the public to weigh in on this specific piece of public

00:47:55policy as it pertains to a particular applicant for a particular location.

00:47:59So I, I think that that adds to the, the equity that we're kind of aiming for in

00:48:04this. I don't necessarily think it needs to go back to council again.

00:48:07I second her motion.

00:48:09Okay. Jordan, you clear on the motion? P and P recommend...

00:48:14Committee recommends the CUP for extended hours, extended hours for drive-through

00:48:19dispensaries, CUP process for extended drive-through dispensaries.

00:48:25Yes, sir.

00:48:26Uh-

00:48:27And we're gonna discuss it.

00:48:30Oh, yeah. We are. Uh, I just want to make sure you was clear on it.

00:48:33With, with... It ends at planned zoning.

00:48:37Uh, there's a motion. There's been a second. Now we'll go ahead and discussion.

00:48:42The motion, make sure I understand it, the motion is that you have to get a

00:48:46conditional use permit for extended hours for drive-through.

00:48:50It's only drive-through. It's from 10 to 1:30 in the morning.

00:48:54Right.

00:48:55And it, um,

00:48:59only goes through planned zoning. It doesn't come back to council.

00:49:02The same way every other CUP does.

00:49:04Is that the same way every CUP is, that they stay?

00:49:09I believe with the new land use code-

00:49:11It is

00:49:11... by, by default, CUPs stop at P and Z unless somebody appeals.

00:49:16But is there any other CUP that's carved out of that?

00:49:19No.

00:49:20But we could carve it out.

00:49:22Right.

00:49:22Yes.

00:49:22Yeah.

00:49:23Again, I think we should. And I think it should be a CUP that comes back to council

00:49:28because I think ultimately we're the-

00:49:30Well-

00:49:31... body that is elected that represents the people.

00:49:33And if constituents have a problem with it, it's just us saying that, "Well, we

00:49:37can't do anything about it."

00:49:39Well, it's already coming to us as a topic that the public will also be able to

00:49:44weigh in on. So to have it come back again just to discuss for the purposes of a

00:49:50specific applicant for a specific drive-through, I think is a bit of a overreach.

00:49:55But

00:49:57we have so many topics and so many things that reach our agenda.

00:50:01To make this a special call-out to send back to council is not a part of my

00:50:04recommendation.

00:50:08Okay.

00:50:09Any other discussion?

00:50:12Are we clear on everything? Can you articulate that to me?

00:50:16What I have, it's a vote to approve the org- the current council bill, uh, with an

00:50:21amendment to be subject to a, uh, conditional use permit requirement.

00:50:28For the e- extended hours for drive-through dispensaries, right?

00:50:32Right.

00:50:32Okay.

00:50:33With an amendment. You mean, that would be...

00:50:35It'd be a standalone bill, not the text amendment with the amendment. Right.

00:50:40So it'll be a... What'll go back to council is basically a, um,

00:50:46recommendation that we'll have an amended bill that reflects

00:50:52a conditional use permit process, and that'll be the committee's recommendation to

00:50:56council to adopt.

00:50:57Okay.

00:51:00All right. Any other discussion or motion before...

00:51:03Uh,

00:51:05Madam Clerk, would you call the roll, please?

00:51:07Hargan.

00:51:08Aye.

00:51:09Osmer.

00:51:10No.

00:51:11Carroll.

00:51:12Aye.

00:51:12McCall.

00:51:13Aye.

00:51:18All right. That takes us down to the final

00:51:22item on the agenda. We have follow discussion on the boards and commission

00:51:26alignment audit. I have City Clerk and Nick Woodman, Assistant City

00:51:31Attorney, to brief.

00:51:34So we're gonna give you a six-minute presentation.

00:51:38All right.

00:51:38Um, just...

00:51:45All this stuff is moving out of P and... Who says PP anyway?

00:51:55So-

00:51:57Yes,

00:52:03yes.

00:52:04I thought he was listening in.

00:52:06So this is where, when we last met, this is where we left off, um, just a

00:52:12visual of what we were looking at. This is just exactly what we presented to you

00:52:18last time. So we wanted to update you a little bit.

00:52:22Um, Environmental Advisory Board.

00:52:24So we were correct that an employee cannot serve on the Environmental Advisory

00:52:30Board. However, that employee had resigned.

00:52:33It is a joint board, that's city and county, and we had not been notified in the

00:52:38clerk's office, so the information we were going from was out of date.

00:52:43That person had resigned from the board when they became an employee at the city.

00:52:49So that now is, um, that board is now in compliance.

00:52:54So I just wanted to clarify that. Um, technically it was never out of compliance.

00:52:59It was based on what we had in our office that was not up to date and accurate.

00:53:06So at the last committee meeting, you asked us to prepare some ordinances.

00:53:10So we have six of those in front of you currently.

00:53:14Uh, this is just a brief summary of what they're doing.

00:53:18Uh, the two big items were the noncompliance ordinances, which relate to the Police

00:53:23Civilian Review Board and the, uh, the Building Trades Examination and

00:53:26Certification Board. So one of the ordinances you have in front of you is an

00:53:30ordinance to repeal the existing special ordinances that establish the Police

00:53:35Civilian Review Board, adopt... or readopt those provisions into Chapter 2, Article

00:53:414, Division 9. Article 4 is already the provisions of the city code that contain

00:53:47a lot of the governing ordinances for boards and commissions of the city.

00:53:51And then we'll also modify that from seven members to nine members to be compliant

00:53:54with the state charter. The Building Trades Examination Certification Board,

00:54:00it's, uh, it already has an existing city code provision in thir- in Chapter 38.

00:54:05Uh, it's 38-502. We're restructuring that board from 11 members to nine members.

00:54:11We've got Mr. Google here, because in conversations with EDS, they had some

00:54:15amendments coming forward, uh, anyway to city council amending some of the

00:54:20provisions around, uh, Section 38-502.

00:54:25So we have just co-opted their bill and added, uh, board audit recommendations into

00:54:29that, uh, into that bill. So we have Mr.

00:54:32Google here 'cause that bill goes over a lot of what BDS is trying to do.

00:54:37And so if the committee had questions about that, we wanted someone here who could

00:54:40answer those questions. And then the last four that we have, these are just the

00:54:45mere, uh, codifications. So these two, the Police Review Board and the Building

00:54:50Trades, we're fixing compliance issues.

00:54:53These four remaining are just the codifications that we talked about

00:54:57And so if the committee votes those out and

00:55:03takes those forward to council, and council approves those, we've updated our

00:55:08table here. Can you go to the next one, please?

00:55:12So this is where we would stand if what we're discussing today were to be approved

00:55:17by the council. Everything is compliant.

00:55:21We still have the Human Rights Commission.

00:55:25Which, as you know, we've just adopted new language for that.

00:55:30And the mayor is in the process of making recommendations that will come back to

00:55:35council for appointments to that board and commission, which as soon as those

00:55:39appointments go through the process, this would then be compliant.

00:55:44But that's where we stand on this one right now.

00:55:45We're in that phase where we're still working through it.

00:55:49So that's in the process, too. So we would have the Traffic Advisory Board that we

00:55:53still would need to look at, and then the Cable Television Advisory Commission that

00:55:58we would still need to look at. And those are two similar issues where we need to

00:56:02have some conversations with the responsible departments on if those boards are

00:56:08fulfilling any current public policy function that we want to continue.

00:56:12And then out of our recommendations, after those two were addressed, the only other

00:56:17two pieces were a potential charter amendment, which would come back to full

00:56:21council for discussion, and work that we're recommending that staff would do

00:56:27on our side to create a master document with all of this information.

00:56:33So that's where we are as of today.

00:56:36Okay. Well, thank you guys for the work you've done on this to bring us into

00:56:40compliance with our own laws and ordinances.

00:56:45I guess at this point, before we entertain a motion, we could do it individually or

00:56:50could do it in a tranche.

00:56:53Yes. I would make a motion to approve all of them.

00:56:57Ordinance changes

00:57:00as recommended by staff.

00:57:03We have the ordinances here. We've looked at them, each one of them.

00:57:08They went over it, so it's been moved and it's been second.

00:57:13Any discussion on the motion on the floor?

00:57:17Chairman, if I could ask a question just for clarification. We have the motion.

00:57:21We'll bring these forward with a recommendation.

00:57:25If it's the pleasure of the committee, what we will do is we will also

00:57:31put in our recommendations that staff will continue to work through the other two,

00:57:35bring information back on those, bring the full discussion on the charter issue,

00:57:41and work on an internal side to create the other document.

00:57:45Basically close out all of the open pieces in the recommendation if that's the

00:57:50desire of the board.

00:57:50Yeah. Sounds like it.

00:57:53Yep.

00:57:55So we'll call the roll of the motion.

00:57:58Osmer?

00:57:59Aye.

00:58:00Carroll? Aye. Gerdinger?

00:58:02Aye.

00:58:03McCall?

00:58:03Aye.

00:58:05I think you did it in six minutes.

00:58:07Good job.

00:58:08Did it in six minutes.

00:58:09Sure did.

00:58:09There we go. All of our presentations-

00:58:12That's right. I don't believe there's any other business.

00:58:15Motion to adjourn.

00:58:17So moved.

00:58:19Second, Carroll.

00:58:21All in favor of the motion, signify by saying aye.

00:58:23Aye.

00:58:24Opposed, in my manner.

00:58:25No.

00:58:26Vote to pass.

00:58:32What was

00:58:34that?