2026-10-19 - Planning Board

00:08you. This is the the fullest room we've

00:11seen in a while.

00:14Uh hello everyone. Welcome to the um

00:16regular planning board meeting for

00:18October 19th, 2026.

00:23This um this meeting is being audio and

00:26video recorded.

00:28I'm going to do a quick roll call. Um,

00:32members present, Joe Topam

00:36>> here.

00:37>> Nat Lol

00:38>> here.

00:38>> Liza Hatton

00:40>> here.

00:41>> Uh, Brian Borgerson's online there.

00:43Brian

00:44>> here.

00:45>> Great. Thank you. Um, alternates. Abby

00:48D. Molina.

00:51>> She's running a little behind. She just

00:53texted me. Dylan,

00:56>> I don't see him online either, but I

00:57believe

00:59>> at the same time want to welcome a new

01:00alternate member, Graham. How do I say

01:02your last name? Beasley.

01:04>> Yep.

01:04>> Perfect. Welcome, Graham. And you're

01:06present, correct?

01:07>> Thank you. Here.

01:08>> Yep. Yep.

01:10>> Uh staff members Leslie Snell, Meg

01:12Trudeau

01:13>> here.

01:14>> Billy Sad

01:14>> here. Katherine and

01:17thank you for all you do, guys.

01:20Um

01:24I would um entertain a motion to approve

01:28the agenda.

01:29>> So moved.

01:30>> Second.

01:31>> Motion made by Joe, seconded by Nat. Joe

01:35>> I

01:35>> Nat

01:36>> I.

01:37>> Um Liza

01:38>> I.

01:40>> Brian

01:41>> I. And I'm an I as well. So that's

01:44unanimous. Um,

01:48first on the agenda tonight is uh 2026

01:51Town of Nantucket master plan.

01:56>> Is Judy on?

01:57>> Yeah, we have Judy Barrett, Laura Meer

01:59to welcome Judy Barrett and and company.

02:09>> So I think your plan um and we may need

02:12some help from staff on this. I think

02:13the plan today was for the board to kind

02:17of review the comments that you had

02:18received. Uh as I think you know, we've

02:21tried to assemble all of those comments

02:24and put them into I guess what I would

02:26call two buckets. Um one is um uh

02:29corrections for errors um you know

02:33accuracy uh and so forth and the other

02:36are comments that kind of need policy

02:39direction from you folks. So, I think um

02:43if you want, we can kind of tell you

02:45what the corrections are that we're

02:46making um to respond to people and then

02:49I think we can turn it over to Leslie

02:50and Megan for the other comments that uh

02:52that that really are sort of on the

02:54town's side. Does that work for you?

02:57>> Yes. Thank you, Judy.

02:58>> Okay. So,

03:01um does Laurel Do we have uh permission

03:03to screen share?

03:05>> I think so. Let me see if this works.

03:07>> Oh, goody.

03:10>> Okay. Um, can you all see a spreadsheet?

03:13>> Yep.

03:14>> And I don't expect you to be able to

03:16read it, but just so you kind of have a

03:19reference of what we're working off of.

03:21Um,

03:23thank you to everyone who took the time

03:25to look through the draft and submit

03:26comments. Um, as Judy said, we've kind

03:29of sorted them into two different

03:31buckets of um, you know, more like

03:35factual corrections and then more kind

03:37of editorial and more substantive

03:40comments that um, you know, the planning

03:42board could should consider. So, I'll

03:45just kind of share how we've sorted

03:48them. Um, and so, as you can see, we

03:52have kind of the commenter, the comment

03:54type, and then the comment itself. Um,

03:56and really for the ones I'll share, it's

03:58just that there's a correction, maybe

04:01something has been updated since we

04:03wrote the earlier sections of the plan,

04:05etc. Um, so comments that we've kind of

04:09classified as these factual corrections

04:12came from um Tim Sullivan and then also

04:15the Nantucket Land and Water Council. So

04:17you can see um an example of kind of

04:20Tims at the on the screen here. Um, I

04:23won't go through each one, but these

04:25cover topics um like updating the

04:30language related to our island home to

04:32be more to be reflective of um kind of

04:35the current state history of the ferry

04:38service to the island. Um, POS was

04:42definitely um

04:44brought up by a few commenters. So, we

04:47will address those comments um and make

04:49sure that it's reflective of the current

04:52state. Um scrolling down again, you

04:56don't need to read these, but just so

04:57you see that we're keeping track and

04:58we'll address these. Um reference to

05:01inclusionary zoning. I think there was

05:03kind of a discrepancy between two parts

05:05of the plan. So, we'll address that.

05:07Updating information um in the surface

05:11water section. Nantucket Land and Water

05:13Council gave us some kind of updated

05:14information there. So, we'll address

05:16those as well as um making sure we have

05:20accurate information about the town's

05:22fertilizer regulations. Um

05:26and then we have some corrections from

05:29our um you know, partners in plus as

05:32well. So, that's kind of just an

05:35overview of those uh corrections that we

05:38will address. Thank you to everyone

05:40again who kind of took the time to look

05:41through it with that close eye and get

05:43us more updated information and I will

05:47turn it over to um Leslie and Megan for

05:50those other comments.

05:51>> You're going to you're going to continue

05:53to screen share just every so everybody

05:55can see.

05:55>> Would you would you like me to do that

05:57Leslie and Megan?

05:59>> Yes, please.

06:00>> Okay,

06:03I'll go down here.

06:09and you can just kind of signal to me.

06:14>> Okay. So,

06:16>> Mr. Chair, how would you like to proceed

06:18with this? I mean, I think reading all

06:20of these out loud would be timeconuming.

06:23>> Yeah.

06:24>> Um, would you like for me to just

06:25summarize

06:26>> and identify them maybe by line item?

06:30>> I think probably best if you identify by

06:32the name. Okay. a and just summarize how

06:36we've addressed their comment.

06:38>> Okay.

06:39>> Um or we'll be here all night.

06:42>> Correct.

06:43>> Okay. So, we'll start with um line 14.

06:47This was a comment from Tim Sullivan. Um

06:51it discussed uh sorry, I can't see. Um

06:56capital plan updates for the coastal

06:58resiliency plan. It talked about costs

07:00associated with plan implementation.

07:04um annual public reports,

07:07um measurable outcomes, it talked about

07:11the proposed position of like a plan

07:13coordinator, what their job description

07:15would be. Um there's there's a lot in

07:17here and it's really outside of the

07:20scope of this particular plan. So, we're

07:23recommending that it not require any

07:26changes.

07:29Um the next one, line 15, also from Tim

07:33Sullivan, uh talked about measuring

07:35durable housing outcomes.

07:38Um a public housing dashboard, talking

07:43about, you know, income restricted

07:44homes, seasonal worker homes,

07:47whether homes are rental and ownership.

07:50Um this one really is also outside of

07:52the scope. we have a housing production

07:54plan and those things should be

07:55addressed in in another location not

07:58within the master plan.

08:00Um the next one line 16

08:05also from Tim Sullivan um talked about

08:10shortterm everyday livability projects

08:14and some sort of program

08:16um giving residents a list of

08:18deliverables about safety and service

08:20and reliability. again like this is

08:23outside of the scope and um you know

08:27even with these plans like we don't

08:28always know when services or or um

08:31resources will be available to address

08:33the priorities.

08:35Um 17 also from Tim Sullivan

08:39uh suggests publishing a development and

08:42capacity crosswalk.

08:45Um, this comment addresses

08:49potential zoning buildout, development,

08:51infrastructure, capacity,

08:54uh, a list of land use scenarios in

08:57terms of when year- round housing will

08:59be created. There's discussion about

09:02water and wastewater and traffic and

09:03energy and environmental issues, public

09:05services.

09:07Um, we weren't exactly clear what was

09:10being suggested here, so we would need

09:12more information.

09:15Um the next one 18 also from Tim

09:18Sullivan. Um this is also outside of the

09:22scope. It's addressing coastal decisions

09:25to the existing coastal retreat program.

09:28Um aligning the town strategic plan and

09:31capital programs and and other things.

09:33And again this is an example of we have

09:35a coastal resiliency plan. We have a

09:37capital improvement plan. A lot of these

09:39things are just addressed somewhere

09:40else.

09:43Line 19, Tim Sullivan. Um, this one is,

09:48I think, addressing

09:50preservation initiatives. I mean, we

09:53have a historical commission that is in

09:55charge of preservation efforts, and some

09:57of these things could maybe be

09:58addressed, excuse me, in a townwide

10:01preservation plan.

10:04Line 20 also from Tim Sullivan.

10:08Um the question is asked about how

10:11participation informed priorities. Um on

10:14this one I just want to point out the

10:15planning board developed a vision

10:17statement and goals based on the

10:19visioning workshops on the um various

10:24uh public input sessions that were held

10:26in various ways and and that's how the

10:28priorities were developed.

10:32Line 20 also from Tim Sullivan.

10:35Oh, sorry, that's the one I just read.

10:36Line 21. Tim Sullivan

10:40um is questioning the AI enforcement

10:45exploration.

10:47Um and suggest that safeguards be added

10:49to that. Um and that's a suggestion that

10:52we can forward to town administration

10:54when and if they uh move forward with

10:57that.

11:00Toby Strawenberg, line 22, he submitted

11:03a letter that really isn't actionable,

11:07just has a lot of thoughts.

11:10Same thing with line 23, Evan Jones.

11:15Uh line 24, Bruce Mandel.

11:18Um he suggested that maybe the zones

11:21shown in one of the graphics um are not

11:24correct. We've confirmed they are

11:26correct.

11:28Uh line 25 also Bruce Mandel

11:32uh this is

11:34talking about the electric undersea

11:37cable not being discussed enough in

11:40detail um but we believe that has been

11:42addressed in detail sufficient for this

11:44plan.

11:46Um the next one line 26

11:51also Mr. Mandel

11:54um he's asking for some more information

11:57in the plan about mosquito and tickborne

12:00illnesses and we will elaborate on that

12:03in the community health section.

12:07Uh next one also Mr. Mandel

12:11suggests that there should be further

12:13discussion about PAS leeching in

12:17madicquette. So we can talk to the uh

12:20director of public health or the want to

12:23come at water director and see if

12:24there's more detail that should be

12:26included.

12:28Line 28, Bruce Mandel.

12:32Um

12:34this one talks about sewing in Madakut

12:37and concerns about increased density and

12:39effects on infrastructure. Um our

12:41comment on that is that it's fairly

12:43unlikely Madicquette will be sewed. So

12:46we can talk about that if and when that

12:48is going to happen.

12:51Uh line 29 also Mr. Mandel he pointed

12:56out that the list of nonprofits and

12:58civic groups were not all inclusive.

13:00That's been corrected.

13:03Next line 30 Mr. Vandel

13:07um

13:09he states that

13:13um planning department staff

13:16suggests that the zoning information in

13:18the GIS system isn't accurate.

13:21What is actually the case is that if you

13:24look at the zoning information on the

13:26assessor card, that's what's not

13:28accurate. So this just needs to be

13:30corrected.

13:32Um he requests additional time for

13:34further review and comment.

13:38Line 32, Nantuckland and Water Council.

13:42Um

13:45let's see. They appreciate the

13:46recommendations.

13:48Uh they talk about the buildout

13:50analysis, how it should be tied with

13:53some other information and that's all

13:56addressed in other plans.

14:00Uh line 33,

14:04land and water council.

14:06They are suggesting that there's an

14:08assessment of what was and wasn't

14:09accomplished from the last plan. And our

14:12response to that is that anything that

14:13was not completed that's still relevant

14:15should have been carried forward into

14:16this plan.

14:19Uh line 34, land and water council. Um

14:24the point is that implementation is the

14:26most challenging part. They think

14:29partnerships should be strengthened.

14:30They would be happy to work with the

14:32planning board and we agree with that.

14:35Next one,

14:39Brandt Point Association. Um, their

14:42comments were really specific to

14:43Brandpoint. So, when we update the area

14:46plan, which they are on the list, um,

14:48those comments should be included there.

14:52Uh Ted Gillette also um a letter with

14:56lots of thoughts that aren't really

14:57actionable for this plan.

15:01Um Charlie Platt

15:04um he suggested I think more more data

15:07and more quantitative analysis of data

15:10that's outside the scope.

15:13Um will will our to open this one

15:27on behalf of the tipping point.

15:30This letter addresses

15:33um the year-round shortage of housing um

15:37demands placed on the island from

15:38tourism, commercial, and real estate

15:40expansion.

15:43Um he's suggesting additional study of

15:47water and wastewater capacity,

15:49ecological limits based on a variety of

15:52things. Um housing and more study about

15:56infrastructure.

15:58So that also we believe is outside the

16:00scope. Um from the website, I think

16:03we're on the final two. We're on the

16:05home run here. Home stretch, I mean. Um

16:08this person's commenting on the 2025

16:11buildout

16:13um

16:15and asking for additional study on that

16:18um regarding resources and

16:20infrastructure. So that's outside the

16:22scope of this plan.

16:24And then the final comment, town is not

16:28taking ownership of managing tickborne

16:30illness and PAS

16:33and that's also outside of the scope of

16:36this plan. So that's where we are. And

16:39then

16:41um I guess we should see if there are

16:42any comments from the public who are

16:44here tonight or online.

16:50>> Anybody online?

16:52Yes, we have two hands up online.

16:54Hillary Rayport and Peter Feldman.

16:57>> Okay,

16:58>> we'll start with Hillary.

17:00>> Welcome, Hillary.

17:04>> Hi, good evening everyone. Thank you for

17:07allowing me to comment um on the plan.

17:10Um I guess my overall comment is

17:14regarding the um the implementation

17:17schedule and um the I I think the plan

17:22has a a list of many many good ideas

17:25that touch on much of the vision and

17:29really what will make the difference is

17:31the way this is these ideas are

17:34prioritized and followed up on through

17:36implementation. So um it's not really a

17:40comment on the way the plan is

17:41presented. It's more of a just a general

17:44comment of this is an a wonderful first

17:46step and gives us a lot of good ideas

17:49which will then be a fair amount of work

17:52to um to prioritize and implement. Um I

17:57do have a question regarding Leslie's

18:01review of all of the comments. I found a

18:03lot of the comments very compelling. Um,

18:07and I just didn't really understand what

18:09was meant by out of scope or this is

18:13covered in another plan. Um, because of

18:16course the master plan is supposed to be

18:18rolling all of these things up. And many

18:21of the comments seemed um, highly

18:23relevant to me and very good questions

18:25that do need to be addressed if we're

18:27going to achieve our goals. So, I just

18:29love a little more colored about what is

18:32really meant about when you say, you

18:35know, that's in another plan or this is

18:37out of scope. If if that would be

18:39possible to elaborate on, it would help

18:42me. Thank you.

18:44>> Thank you.

18:48>> Okay.

19:03All right. So, so relative to the

19:05comment about that's in another plan on

19:08page 11 of the master plan, it

19:10references a very very long list of

19:13plans and those plans are all very

19:15detailed and specific to their

19:18particular subject matter. the the

19:20master plan is supposed to be a higher

19:22level review, not a deep dive into some

19:24of these things. So that's why some of

19:27my comments were that it was out of the

19:28scope for this plan.

19:30And then I do agree with Miss Rayort

19:32that there were some really compelling

19:33comments, but again, like we can't get

19:36into the

19:38specific details in this plan. Those

19:41things come later.

19:43>> Thank you.

19:45>> And we have Peter Feldman.

19:47>> All right, Mr. Feldman, welcome.

19:51>> All right. Thank you. Excuse me. Thank

19:53you. I I had um actually the same

19:56question Miss Rayport raised regarding

20:00uh the scope of the of the that is being

20:03considered because uh like her and like

20:06the last person who spoke who's on the

20:08board, I found a number of the comments

20:10to be important and compelling. Um

20:16and I guess my question is following

20:19that then if there are multiple other

20:21sub plans that relate to particular

20:24issues

20:25does

20:28the if if the master plan is what you're

20:31talking about is is adopted does it

20:34limit the ability

20:36to

20:38uh comment upon and see changes to these

20:41sub plans?

20:43I don't want to be in a position of a

20:44catch 22 where you can't really comment

20:47on this master plan because it's not

20:49really within the scope. But then by the

20:52same token when you look at the sub plan

20:54you're told that wasn't you know that

20:56you the master plan doesn't go into

20:59that. So you really can't deal with it.

21:01It's it's been kind of um catch 22. So I

21:05just want to confirm that though these

21:07sub plans are going to be s available

21:09for further consideration.

21:12by members of the public.

21:16>> So the plans that are all listed on page

21:1811, those are incorporated into the

21:21master plan really by reference. And

21:24those plans are not plans that are

21:26within the jurisdiction of the planning

21:27board. It's within the jurisdiction of

21:29other departments of other elected

21:31boards, committees or commissions. And

21:33it's really up to them when they decide

21:35to update those plans and incorporate

21:37additional public comments or additional

21:39review.

21:41Thank you.

21:46>> There are no more hands online.

21:47>> Okay.

21:49>> Yeah. Good evening everyone. Uh Campbell

21:52Sutton here. So I wanted to thank

21:54everyone for the all the work that went

21:56into this because I know it's been a

21:58gargantuan task and I really appreciate

22:00all the time and effort that went in. Um

22:03so I just wanted to let you know someone

22:05out there is saying thank you. Um, one

22:08of the things I noticed especially in

22:10the implementation plan was that most of

22:12the implementation pieces were somewhere

22:15between four and seven years. And um, a

22:19master plan apparently from listening to

22:22what um, Judy has said is 10, 15, maybe

22:2720 years. And so I'm hoping that with an

22:30implementation plan that's ending in

22:33sevenish years, at least for review, um

22:37that the process of updating for the

22:41next one will happen sooner than later.

22:45Um and that throughout this process

22:49there'll be moments where um the board

22:52comes back and takes a look at where are

22:55we, where have we been, how you know,

22:57how far have we made it, how are things

23:00going, that kind of thing, and see

23:01whether areas need to be updated. Um,

23:05the other thing I was going to ask about

23:06which seems to be popular is asking

23:09about the out of scope piece and whether

23:12some of those very good comments that

23:15are out of scope are going to be

23:16forwarded to the committees,

23:19commissions, boards, etc. um that they

23:24relate to

23:26um for their information. So that in

23:28other words it doesn't because it's out

23:30of scope

23:32it doesn't just die here and if the

23:36person happens to hear that there's a

23:39time when they can give public comment

23:41again on the relevant plan they have to

23:45do that or whether you know these can

23:47sort of go on file to these other

23:50committees because I think people also

23:51took you know considerable time to be um

23:55thoughtful about some of their uh input.

23:58So, thank you.

24:00>> Thank you, Campbell. And and we can make

24:02an effort to try to pass those comments

24:04on to the appropriate boards and and

24:07departments.

24:09>> Yeah, I think Campbell made a really

24:10good point with that and I'm happy to

24:12share this list with the cabinet who

24:14oversees all the departments that would

24:16need to be involved.

24:18>> Great.

24:20Any board members have questions?

24:30Nobody online.

24:33No hands.

24:34>> Okay. Um,

24:37how does the board feel about um a vote

24:39to adopt a master plan?

24:44>> We all done with public the public input

24:47period is over, right? The feedback,

24:50whatever we call it.

24:52>> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I think a motion

24:54would be to to approve the master plan

24:56with the edits as discussed and shown in

24:58the spreadsheet.

24:59>> Yep.

25:02>> I would entertain that motion.

25:07>> Was that a motion?

25:08>> I would entertain a motion.

25:10>> I like that made.

25:11>> I'll make that motion. I'll second it.

25:13>> Is a sigh a motion?

25:17>> Motion made by Nat. Second.

25:19>> Motion. Not a motion.

25:21Seconded by Joe.

25:24Um Nat

25:26>> I

25:26>> Joe

25:27>> I

25:27>> Liza

25:30>> I

25:31>> Brian

25:33>> I and I'm and I as well. Um

25:38Judy

25:39>> Yes sir.

25:40>> I can't thank you enough for your

25:42patience, your fortitude, your I don't

25:47know but thank you. Well, thank you for

25:50the opportunity to work on this. We have

25:53def definitely enjoyed it and got to

25:55meet a lot of really cool people um that

25:57I'm not sure I would have met any other

25:59way.

26:01>> Mr. Chair, I just like to thank all of

26:03the members of the public that

26:04participated. We had a huge amount of

26:07public participation across a lot of

26:09different events and surveys and kitchen

26:11conversations and all sorts of things

26:14along the way. So, I think that's really

26:15important um that a lot of people felt

26:18the master plan was important enough to

26:20get involved.

26:20>> Yeah, I agree.

26:22>> I agree with Leslie. Thank you. It's a

26:24good point.

26:25>> Yep. And and now the real work happens

26:27is the implementation. So, um

26:30it's where the rubber meets the road.

26:32So, again, thank you to the public,

26:33thank you to Judy, thank you to staff

26:35for um for this long, long process

26:39that's finally drawn to this part of it

26:41to an end.

26:42The creativity to try and find everyone,

26:44whether it was going on the boat,

26:46whether it was on Main Street, whether

26:47it was

26:47>> Judy and her gang were amazing.

26:49>> The table talk I think was fantastic.

26:51>> Yeah.

26:52>> In the school system and brought it to

26:53the schools,

26:54>> the kids, the adults, every

26:56>> the eighth grade class. I don't know. It

26:57was

26:58>> I'm not going to take all the credit

27:00here. This wouldn't have gotten done

27:01without without Laurel, who's been

27:02amazing all the way through.

27:04>> And that's thanking you. I'm thanking

27:06your team.

27:07>> I know. I know. I just had to speak up.

27:10So, we'll we'll communicate offline with

27:12staff about getting these edits done um

27:15to get the final version back to all of

27:17you. Um we'll check in with Leslie and

27:19Megan sometime this week. Okay,

27:21>> great. See you in a couple years.

27:25>> Should we start again tomorrow? No, I'm

27:26kidding. Um

27:27>> thank you.

27:28>> Thanks again.

27:29>> Do you need us for anything else, Dave?

27:32>> I think I think we're good.

27:33>> Okay. All right. Thank you so much.

27:36>> Thank you. Take care and your team.

27:38>> Yep. Thank you. Bye. Bye.

27:40Okay. Um, we are on on to public comment

27:44for items not listed on the agenda.

27:50Anybody online, Billy? Okay.

27:53Um, on to the minutes. Um,

27:57September 4. Oh,

28:02>> reading something. My apologies. Okay.

28:04Um, I did want to thank

28:06>> again Campbell. I'm sorry.

28:07>> Yeah, Campbell Sutton. Sorry. I wanted

28:08to thank Nat for um his comments and his

28:11input at the select board meeting on

28:14this past Wednesday. It really was

28:15enlightening for all that we're talking

28:17about um on the board and with the debt

28:21and sewer and the whole thing. So, I

28:24just really appreciate his

28:25participation. Thanks.

28:28>> Thank you.

28:30>> Okay. Um we're going to vote on the

28:33minutes uh for September 14, 2026. It's

28:36a joint meeting with the MPN and EDC

28:38um and the regular planning board

28:40meeting and on December 30th, 2026.

28:45>> Do I have a motion?

28:47>> Motion to approve.

28:49>> Second.

28:50>> Motion made by Liza, seconded by Joe.

28:52Liza

28:54>> I.

28:54>> Joe

28:54>> I.

28:55>> Nah.

28:55>> Hi.

28:56>> Brian

28:57>> I.

28:58>> And I'm an I as well. It's unanimous.

29:00Okay. On to second dwellings. Um,

29:04>> need to recuse from Charles Carter.

29:06>> Yeah. So, we're going to pull we're

29:07going to pull 12 Madakasham Valley. Oh,

29:10no. Hold on. We're going to continue

29:11Madakasham

29:13Valley Road. 12 Madakam Valley Road to

29:16November 16, 2026. Do I have a motion on

29:19that?

29:19>> Motion to continue. Second

29:22>> motion made by Joe, seconded by Nat. Joe

29:26>> I.

29:27>> Nat.

29:28>> I.

29:28>> Liza

29:29>> I.

29:29>> Brian

29:31>> I. And I'm an I as well. Um we're going

29:34to pull William Graham at 53 Meadow View

29:37Drive and and um how should I do this?

29:41Pull Charles Gardner as well.

29:44>> And we're going to vote on those. We're

29:46going to vote on Graham after the public

29:49hearing and we'll vote on Charles

29:50Gardner after we vote on the rest of

29:52these. So we're going to be voting on

29:54Vestal Nantucket LLC at 85 Vestal

29:57Street. Car Carmine and and Amy Dibio at

30:02four Massquit Avenue. John L. Hallowell

30:06Trustee. John Elaw revocable trust to

30:09Webster Road. Bo Adams Barber Trust 7

30:12Kelly Road Ward Gale Ital

30:17Pond Road and Tanner and Merryweather

30:19POW at two Oliver Way. These are

30:21secondary dwellings. Do I have a motion?

30:26>> Motion to endorse.

30:30Vestal Street Vestal Nantucka LLC.

30:33>> You don't have

30:34>> I know. Well, I'm just trying to be I'll

30:37second.

30:38>> Yeah. And we

30:40>> pulled out We did pull out 21 for the

30:42ground.

30:42>> We pulled out 21.

30:44>> I'll make sure.

30:45>> Um so motion made by Nat, seconded by

30:48Joe. Nat.

30:49>> I.

30:49>> Joe.

30:50>> I.

30:50>> Liza.

30:51>> I.

30:52>> Brian.

30:53>> I.

30:54>> And I'm an I as well. That's unanimous.

30:57Um, on to Charles Gardner, 21

31:01Fairgrounds Road. Let the record show

31:03that Joe Topham has left the table. Um,

31:07do I have a motion on Charles Gardner,

31:1021 Fairgrounds Road?

31:12>> Motion to approve.

31:14>> Second.

31:14>> Motion made by Liza, seconded by Nat.

31:17Liza

31:18>> I.

31:18>> Nat

31:19>> I.

31:19>> Brian.

31:20>> I.

31:21>> And I'm an I as well.

31:24All right, that's unanimous. Um,

31:38tertiary dwellings. Is this tertiary or

31:40an ADU?

31:42>> It's a tertiary because they have the

31:44benefit of a uh plan. Okay.

31:47>> Yep. Just checking. Um,

31:50so, uh, Tertiary Dwellings, one daffodil

31:52LLC, 58 Evergreen Way. Do I have a

31:56motion, please?

31:58>> Motion to approve.

31:59>> Second.

32:00>> Motion made by Joe, seconded by Nat. Joe

32:02>> I,

32:03>> Nat,

32:04>> I.

32:04>> Liza,

32:05>> I.

32:06>> Brian,

32:06>> I.

32:07>> And I'm an I as well. So, that's

32:09unanimous. Um, on to approval not

32:13required plans. We have 100 Rit, Steven

32:16L. Cohen, trustee 100 R1 Road. We have

32:20Jessica L. Lambert, trustee of Call Mom

32:24and Dad again, trustee Jill D Trust at

32:2641 Cliff Road. And we have Joe Manning

32:29at 11 Pinerest. Do I have a motion,

32:32please?

32:34>> So moved.

32:35>> Second.

32:36>> Motion made by Nat, seconded by Joe Nat.

32:39>> I.

32:39>> Joe.

32:40>> I.

32:40>> Liza,

32:41>> I.

32:42>> Brian,

32:43>> I. and I'm an I as well at Unavis.

32:47Okay, on to previous plans. Um, Westmore

32:50Club, 10 Westmore Lane.

32:55Good to see you again, my friend.

32:56>> Thank you.

32:58Uh, thank you for the record. Paul

32:59Santos with Nantucket Surveyors on

33:01behalf of the property owner and

33:02applicant, Westmore Club LLC. Uh, this

33:06is a minor modification request to the

33:09MCD for the Westmore Club. Uh last time

33:12we were here, uh this board approved

33:14through an amended special permit MCD um

33:18modification number nine. Uh this

33:20application sets forth a request for an

33:24835 ft square foot addition to the

33:28existing main clubhouse building. Uh the

33:31plan that you see before you has two um

33:33has a shaded area uh that sets forth the

33:37addition which entails a kitchen

33:39expansion and then a proposed walk-in

33:42cooler and freezer on the uh west side

33:45of the existing clubhouse.

33:48Um the application itself was submitted

33:52with a letter requesting the minor

33:54modification uh architectural plans site

33:57plan and then I also did include in

34:00there the revised density table which

34:02I'll briefly uh give you the Westmore

34:04club as many of you know is located

34:06within the R20 residential district. Uh

34:09the present application uh would

34:12increase the ground cover from 5.8% 8%

34:14to 5.9%

34:17in a zone which

34:20>> is permitted to 12.5%.

34:23>> So we feel this is um a minor

34:25modification. We feel that staff is in

34:28agreement. Um their recommendation sets

34:31forths findings and conditions for the

34:34board to act in favor of the

34:36application. And we would ask that in

34:39accordance with section 13911F

34:42that the board consider this a minor

34:43change that does not materially affect

34:45the findings and conclusions upon which

34:47the planning board's previous decision

34:50to approve development was based and

34:52therefore would be allowed without a

34:54modification filing.

34:57and happy to answer any questions uh

34:59that the board may have.

35:00>> Board members,

35:04>> do we need two votes on this? Do we need

35:05to vote on whether it's mine or mod? And

35:08then we need to vote on approval or

35:10denial. Correct.

35:12>> Yes.

35:12>> Yeah. Awesome.

35:15Um so no question from the boards from

35:18the board. No, Brian's all set up there.

35:22Okay, great. Um, so I would first

35:25entertain a motion on whether this is a

35:27minor modification or not.

35:29>> I make that motion that it's a minor

35:32mod.

35:33>> Second.

35:34>> Motion made by Nat, seconded by Joe. Nat

35:36>> I.

35:37>> Joe.

35:37>> I.

35:38>> Liza

35:38>> I.

35:39>> Brian

35:40>> I.

35:40>> And I'm an I as well. That's unanimous.

35:43As for the merits of the application.

35:48Is this a is this still a

35:52special permit level or is this a

35:55regular majority

35:56>> on these? That's what I thought. I just

35:58want to make sure on the when it's a

36:00minor mod, it still is a super. Okay.

36:04>> Um so motion to approve the minor

36:07modification with the findings and

36:09conditions in the staff report.

36:11>> Second.

36:12>> Motion made by Liza, seconded by Joe

36:15Liza. I

36:16>> Joe

36:16>> I

36:17>> N

36:18>> I

36:18>> Brian

36:19>> I

36:20>> and I'm an I as well.

36:23>> Thank you very much.

36:24>> Thank you.

36:25>> Thank you all.

36:26>> Um 111B uh Old South Road LLC 111B Old

36:30South Road release of escrow.

36:33>> So Mr. Chair, this this is a request for

36:36a release of escrow and both staff and

36:38Peshi Engineering have done their final

36:40reviews. The applicant has sign off and

36:42the project's complete. So, they're

36:44looking to uh close the escrow and

36:47release the remaining balance.

36:49>> All right, great. Um,

36:52entertain a motion. Motion to release

36:55remaining funds.

36:58>> Second.

36:59>> Motion made by Joe, seconded by Nat. Joe

37:02>> I.

37:02>> Nat

37:03>> I.

37:03>> Liza

37:04>> I.

37:04>> Brian

37:05>> I.

37:06>> And I'm an I as well. So that's

37:07unanimous.

37:09H don't spend it all in one place.

37:12Um, on the public hearings, um,

37:18I have, um, one withdrawal without

37:21prejudice that we're going to vote on

37:25and then one, two, three, four,

37:27continuation. So, we'll start 30 North

37:29Beach Street LLC, the Beachside, 30

37:32North Beach Street, request a withdrawal

37:34without prejudice. Entertain a motion.

37:37>> So, move.

37:39>> Second. Motion made by Joe, seconded by

37:42Liza. Joe

37:44>> I

37:44>> Liza

37:45>> I

37:45>> Nat

37:46>> I

37:47>> Brian

37:47>> I.

37:48>> And I'm an I as well. And then we have

37:52one

37:54four continuations. These will all be

37:56continued to November 16th, 2026. We

37:59have um Irony nominee trust Jonathan D.

38:03Featherstone witty trustee 69

38:05Fairgrounds Road. We have Christopher H.

38:09Wolford 20 Madak Sham Valley Road.

38:12We have Matt G and Ruby Fee at 2 and6

38:16Rugged Road and a portion of 56

38:18Fairgrounds Road. And we have Matt G and

38:21Ruby Fee at two Rugged Road and 58

38:24Fairgrounds Road. All to be continued to

38:27the November 16th, 2026. Do I have a

38:30motion?

38:30>> Motion to continue all four

38:31applications.

38:34>> Second.

38:34>> Motion made by Joe, seconded by Liza

38:37Joe. I

38:38>> Liza

38:39>> I

38:40>> Nat

38:40>> I

38:40>> Brian

38:41>> I

38:42>> and I'm an I as well. Those are

38:44unanimous. Um okay. Um the first one is

38:49William Graham 53 Meadow View Drive

38:54>> and we have attorney Arthur Reid online.

38:57>> Welcome Arthur.

38:59>> Thank you Mr. Chairman.

39:01Uh this is an application that comes up

39:03as a result of the change in the uh

39:05zoning bylaw that limits the number of

39:08bedrooms in the uh R20 district to

39:11eight. Uh my client uh wants to

39:14construct a secondary dwelling. There

39:16are six bedrooms in the existing house

39:18and he proposes to construct a new uh

39:22secondary dwelling with four bedrooms.

39:25Now, this lot is more than double the um

39:30size the the minimum 20,000 square foot

39:33size uh for a lot in the um uh R20

39:39district. And there's provision in the

39:41bylaw for uh uh waiver of any of the

39:45requirements contained therein by the

39:47planning board. And specifically,

39:49there's the requirement uh that there be

39:52no more than one bedroom per 2500 square

39:55ft, which uh would obviously allow for a

39:58greater number of bedrooms than we're

39:59proposing here uh in in in this

40:02district. Uh uh I think it's intended by

40:05that that we would be able to go up to

40:07the uh u maximum that would be allowed.

40:11And once again, we're not even asking

40:13for that. that we're asking for the

40:15ability to build uh a number of bedrooms

40:17that would be consistent with the

40:19intensity regulation that's contained in

40:21the uh uh in the new bylaw uh provision

40:26uh but in excess of the u uh number

40:29eight that's uh otherwise specified

40:31presumably with a 20,000 square foot uh

40:35lot in mind. Uh I've reviewed the staff

40:39report. I agree with all of the proposed

40:41conditions in there. and would leave it

40:44to the board to ask any questions that

40:46they may have of me.

40:49>> Great. Thank you, Arthur. Board members,

40:55questions, concerns.

41:04>> I mean, the reality

41:06>> the reality is is that lot could be

41:07subdivided and it could have twice as

41:09many bedrooms on it.

41:17And Mr. Chair, before we at the last

41:19town meeting effectively merged the

41:22secondary dwelling and the tertiary

41:23dwelling definitions, this would have

41:25been allowed by right. They wouldn't

41:26have needed to come and ask for the

41:28waiver.

41:29>> Great. Um, is there anyone in the public

41:32that would like to speak to this?

41:37>> Anybody online?

41:38>> No, no hands are up online.

41:40>> All right, great. I would um entertain a

41:43motion to close the public hearing.

41:45>> So moved. Second.

41:47>> Motion made by Nat, seconded by Joe Nat.

41:49>> I

41:50>> Joe

41:51>> I.

41:51>> Liza

41:52>> I.

41:53>> Brian

41:54>> I.

41:54>> And I'm as well. Okay. As to the merits.

42:02>> Joe. Motion to approve with the

42:04financing conditions spelled out a staff

42:06report.

42:07>> Second.

42:08>> Motion made by Joe. Second by Nat Joe. I

42:11>> Natt.

42:11>> Hi,

42:12>> Liza.

42:12>> I

42:13>> Brian.

42:14>> I

42:15>> And I'm an I as well.

42:17>> Okay.

42:18>> Thank you very much.

42:19>> Thank you.

42:19>> Thank you.

42:24>> Sorry.

42:27>> Double-edged sword.

42:29>> True.

42:32>> Um all right. Um, we're back to

42:35Nantucket College Hospital

42:3816 and 18 Vasper Lane.

42:50>> Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Rick Bodd for

42:53the applicant Nucket College Hospital.

42:56uh if if it's okay with you sir uh we'll

42:59go through the changes that we made

43:00rather than

43:02>> the entire presentation

43:03>> and I appreciate the work you've done.

43:04>> Yeah. Thanks.

43:06>> Uh I'm here tonight with uh John Tuig

43:08again. Uh Greg and Bill O'Brien are

43:10here. Steve Glowak, your engineer is

43:11here as well with me. Uh I I submitted a

43:15memo uh last week. I hopefully you've

43:18all had a chance to take a look at it.

43:20Uh responding to a lot of the comments

43:21made by the board. Uh Mr. marks the the

43:24closest neighbor as well to the east. Um

43:28uh first and foremost uh what we did is

43:30we moved that residential building to

43:32the east. You see that on the right side

43:34of your plan. We moved that to be 20 ft

43:37away from uh the easterly boundary. It

43:41was previously 7 ft away.

43:44Uh in in doing so, we lost a couple of

43:46parking spaces, but as I'll explain

43:48later, we we were able to gain a couple

43:50spaces uh elsewhere.

43:53Um,

43:54we also I did submit today, albe it a

43:57little bit late. Uh, I submitted a

43:59letter from uh Barl Tree uh stating that

44:04uh as long as we we install a a root

44:09protection fence 15t away from any of uh

44:12Mr. Marx's trees, uh they will be

44:14protected as well. So, um, we also, you

44:19will see if if you scroll down a little

44:22bit, uh, what we did is, uh, right in

44:25that area where the cursor is, we added

44:2722 parking spaces there. We lost a

44:29couple at the entrance of that new

44:31parking area. Um, but the net effect is

44:35that uh, we we added 22 spaces, lost

44:37eight total. Um, the effect of that is

44:41we do not need a parking waiver anymore.

44:43uh we're required to provide 116 spaces

44:46and there's 116 spaces on that plan.

44:50Uh we also provided a uh a landscape

44:54plan and and as well as a new concept. A

44:56landscape plan shows uh that we will

44:59plant some screening trees on the east

45:01of the uh of 18 Vesper near Mr. Marx's

45:07property line. We also, as we had

45:08mentioned previously,

45:10yeah, that's the new concept. And the

45:12next one down is is a blown up version

45:15that shows yeah uh Mr. Mr. Markx's

45:18property line want to plant some

45:20evergreen trees there and other shrubs

45:22to make it nice. Uh we we are planning

45:24on on installing a board fence uh on

45:28that property land as well. And you'll

45:31notice we uh we provided a patio and and

45:34uh and some chairs and tables for uh

45:37some of the residents to uh to enjoy the

45:40property outside. I think some of the

45:42members thought that might be a good

45:43idea and uh we agree.

45:47Um we we also importantly we we did stay

45:51uh within our open space limit

45:55um on both properties uh 18 and 16 BPER.

45:59Um

46:02there were a number of questions at the

46:04previous hearing about the height of

46:05these buildings. Uh we did provide in

46:07our memo that uh the buildings are 39 ft

46:11and 38 and a half feet respectively.

46:14Uh keep in mind that we're in the

46:16Nantucket Cottage Hospital overlay

46:18district which allows for height up to

46:2050 feet. So um we are well below that

46:23even though we're above the the general

46:26bylaw rule of 30 feet.

46:29Um we also uh we did provide a new

46:33access plan showing the alternate access

46:35that we would like to provide and uh

46:38don't have the authority to do yet. Um

46:41but I think it was Miss Sutton raised

46:43the the question about where that access

46:46comes into the property. So we we

46:48provided that to that shows a better a

46:50clearer picture of um what that will

46:53look like. Uh if we're able to implement

46:56that that will give us another 10

46:57parallel parking spaces. um can't rely

47:00on that now, but that would be a nice

47:02benefit for the hospital and uh the town

47:04as well. Um and then the uh the final

47:08thing we provided is uh a shadow study.

47:12Uh we did a a study of the effect of and

47:15this is it which is um

47:19not entirely discernible.

47:25However, uh just to uh to explain what

47:27what you have here in front of you. Um

47:31and perhaps Billy can blow it up a bit.

47:33Yeah. Um so so each of these uh each of

47:38those coupled lines is existing and

47:42proposed. Uh and and each gives a

47:44different date and time of day. Um, so,

47:49uh, I think the the greatest effect what

47:51you'll see scrolling down, I would say

47:52the greatest effect on Mr. Marx's

47:55property, uh, would be in the summer and

47:57this time of year, uh, you know, this

47:59this shows the summer solstice, uh, and

48:02shows the first day of fall as well. Um

48:06and you see before and after uh and and

48:09and and of course the time of days that

48:11are most applicable are 3 to 6:00 um

48:15where the sun is setting in the west and

48:17casting a shadow uh to the east which is

48:20where Mr. Marx's property is. Um and I

48:23think what you see there is um of course

48:25we our our new residential building will

48:27of course cast a shadow to the east. Um,

48:31but what what you can see from the

48:34before and after is that it is it is

48:36actually uh um the trees that are on Mr.

48:39Mark's property that are casting um

48:42nearly as much of a shadow as this

48:43building will. So um we we don't think

48:45there will be uh any material difference

48:48in in the shadows cast to the east. So

48:51that's why we provided that. Um we also

48:54had the opportunity to um meet with Mr.

48:58remarks and I I won't speak for him, but

49:00um we we met to meet with him today. Um

49:02showed him this the the new plan um told

49:06him what we're we're planning to do um

49:08to prevent uh his trees being harmed,

49:12his root system being harmed. Um and so

49:16hopefully uh he thinks this is a better

49:18plan for him. Um and so in closing, I

49:21can, you know, answer hopefully any

49:23questions you guys have. Um but uh you

49:26know I said this to staff a week and a

49:28half ago that um you won't hear a lawyer

49:32admitting he's wrong very often. But um

49:36uh but I think this is you know uh one

49:38of those instances where the process

49:40worked pretty well. We were able to make

49:42some adjustments uh so that it's

49:45hopefully better for Mr. Marks. Uh it

49:47gets us more parking. It's better for

49:49the town, better for the hospital. Um

49:51better for the board. Um, and so

49:54hopefully we hope you guys will approve

49:56this plan. We're really excited to to

49:58put it in place. So,

49:59>> great. Thank you. And and I do really

50:02appreciate I know you put some time and

50:04effort into this and means a lot. So,

50:06um, board members,

50:09questions, concerns, Liza,

50:11>> um, I think that they have addressed

50:13every concern I had. So, thank you.

50:16>> Great.

50:18>> Anybody else?

50:18>> No, I agree. I think more parking which

50:20is I think beneficial to the hospital I

50:23think and anyone that visits I think if

50:25having staff nearby um not only is Mr.

50:28Marks going to benefit from moving uh

50:31the buildings away 20 ft. I even think

50:33looking at the study uh the Gwen Village

50:36houses I know that they're here for a

50:38couple years but still they want to have

50:40a backyard and usable backyard and I

50:41think that this uh sun study shows that.

50:44So, um, I applaud the staff for coming

50:47back with the so-called win.

50:52>> Anybody else? Brian, Natt,

50:56>> just

50:58I, you know, echo everyone else's point.

51:00Is that driveway in

51:03still just moving over or is it using

51:06the existing way it's set up now? Yeah,

51:09what we're asking is for approval to use

51:11it as it's set up right now because we

51:13don't have approval from the Coast

51:14Guard.

51:15>> Right. That's right. I knew there was

51:16some of which I just because he shows

51:18both and it keeps showing. I'm like,

51:20this is really good. What are we doing?

51:22>> It would be great. It would be great for

51:23us as well. I think it would be great

51:24for going village as well.

51:25>> It'll help not have all the vehicles

51:27going by those residences.

51:29>> I agree.

51:30>> You know, particularly during

51:32>> spread the vehicles out a little bit

51:34some sort of but

51:35>> yeah, that's our hope. We just um we

51:37can't rely on that.

51:38>> But that's going to happen just the

51:40government way though, right?

51:42>> Yes, that's a good point.

51:43>> So, it'll happen eventually.

51:45>> We hope so. Yeah.

51:47>> All right.

51:49Do you any idea how long that process

51:51will go? Any Just curious.

51:53>> I mean, it's been ongoing. I think we I

51:56think John explained last time we were,

51:58you know, this this close and and you

52:00know, the the the final step was

52:04>> an admiral in California. um California

52:06who was, you know,

52:08>> uh, for lack of a better word, maybe a

52:10lame. I mean, he was he was leaving the

52:11post and now we have to deal with

52:13someone else. So, it ultimately didn't

52:15get approved last time because of that.

52:16But I think, um, what John mentioned

52:18last time was that um, we're closer than

52:20than we've ever been. So, we're getting

52:22there.

52:22>> Yeah.

52:24>> We're going to write a letter, right?

52:25>> Support.

52:27>> Okay.

52:29>> Perfect.

52:30>> Um, yeah,

52:34>> we're going to write a letter of

52:35support. for the packet, right?

52:37>> Or your driveway.

52:39>> We certainly can if that you think that

52:40would be helpful in securing the

52:42driveway. C

52:43>> certainly wouldn't hurt.

52:44>> Okay.

52:44>> Sure.

52:45>> Thank you.

52:45>> Great. Yeah.

52:46>> You one thing I one thing I did forget

52:48to mention is one of the one of the

52:49questions Mr. Marks had for us this

52:51afternoon, which was actually a pretty

52:52good question, was um how how much are

52:54we going to have to dig how far are we

52:56going to have to dig away from our

52:57foundation towards his property um in

53:00order to put our foundation in,

53:01particularly, you know, a window well

53:03that's a um a window well on the east

53:05side. And and we did check with our

53:07project manager. Uh they did say we'd be

53:09okay digging between five and six feet

53:12away from that. Um they do intend toile

53:15put his sheep piles in um to to hold it

53:18but um

53:19>> but we feel good about that that be five

53:22to six feet over dig. So

53:24>> anything you can do to be sensitive

53:26during construction to all your

53:28neighbors because I'm sure it's going to

53:29be disruptive.

53:31>> Brian,

53:33>> yeah, thank you for the changes. I I um

53:36I think you guys did a good job there. I

53:37just want to implore you guys again to

53:39have some sort of parking permits for

53:42people that live in here and and make

53:44sure that this does not become a jam up

53:47parking free-for-all like all of the big

53:49open spaces that we have on Nucket and

53:52make sure that they're

53:54regulated in some way so that we don't

53:57have try to park 454 cars in there and

53:59then someone comes home and wants to go

54:02to bed and they cannot park. that that's

54:05pretty much what I I'm just worried

54:07about, you know.

54:10>> Yeah, I think that's a good uh a good

54:12comment. And, you know, I think

54:14obviously we'll put signage up um which

54:16I you know, we found deters most people.

54:20Most people will follow the rules. Some

54:22some always will not. But, um but yeah,

54:24it's a good idea and hopefully the

54:26signage will take care of that.

54:27>> Yeah. I mean, just if you look at what

54:29happened down on the um landbank

54:30property down on the landing this this

54:33year was just unacceptable for for what

54:36happened there. People tarping up cars

54:39and using it as summer parking and all

54:41that. It just needs to be a clean

54:45car in car out parking lot in my mind.

54:47That's all.

54:50>> Great. Great. Thank you, Brian. Um so,

54:55uh I just had a question. So it

54:58the letter we got that was in the packet

55:00from Bartlett tree seemed to address one

55:03tree instead of many. So I just want to

55:05make sure that that you guys are going

55:07to fence out the roots of all the big

55:09trees that are adjacent to the project.

55:12Um and just make every effort to protect

55:15those Yeah. during the process would be

55:17great.

55:18>> Yeah. And that's what our project

55:19manager said said today. They said we we

55:21understand the concern and we'll make

55:22every effort to protect those trees. Um,

55:25but yeah, and I and if I if if that's

55:28the case that that uh that it seems

55:32we're only protecting one tree. I mean,

55:33my my uh my assumption is that this

55:36fence goes the whole length of our

55:39building. Um, in other so that yeah,

55:41>> any of the trees, I mean, I think there

55:43are at least two um older trees there

55:46that are nice and mature and so but

55:49>> but we're not singling out any tree. We

55:51want to protect anything that's there

55:52for sure.

55:52>> Yeah. Everything. We're happy to have a

55:54condition that says that.

55:55>> Thank you.

55:57>> Um, so I guess everyone's spoken. We'

55:59like to open this up to the public.

56:01Anyone that would like to um come up to

56:03the mic?

56:09>> Hi, Jack Bulier. In my capacity as

56:11housing coordinator for Nantucket

56:13Cottage Hospital, uh, I'm really pleased

56:16with some of the modifications they made

56:17to the plans. It seems like they solved

56:20all the issues that we had last time.

56:21So, I'm very enthusiastic to get this

56:23project started. Thank you.

56:25>> Great. Thank you, Jack.

56:26>> Welcome.

56:27>> Hi, Sally and Austin,

56:3019 Surfside Road. Um,

56:33so Cameron Marks and Scott Marks are

56:36kind of in my backyard, so I kind of

56:39abut this property as well.

56:42Right now, I can sit on my patio this

56:45time of year and watch the sunset.

56:48I think with a three-story building

56:51that's not going to be happening

56:53anymore.

56:55Um, I'm really worried about the noise

56:59because as it is now in the summertime,

57:02we can hear the noise from the FAA

57:04building.

57:06Um,

57:08we could hear some of the stuff going on

57:11with the um, yard sale that they had for

57:15the thrift shop yesterday.

57:18Um,

57:19I have a parking lot in the front of my

57:22house from the school. Um,

57:27and you know, there's parking lot

57:31lighting. There's noise at night.

57:34There's noise on the weekends.

57:36People use my driveway as overflow

57:39parking for the high school.

57:42And I'm a little worried about having

57:45that on the back side of my house now as

57:47well. Feel like I'm just getting pushed

57:50in and pushed out. Um,

57:54you know, I just retired and I'm kind of

57:56looking forward to being home and

57:58spending time in my house and my yard

58:00and I'm looking at the height of these

58:03buildings and

58:05116 parking spots. And I think it's

58:09there's going to be an impact on the

58:11neighborhood. And it's not just me and

58:13the Marxes. I mean, we have the writers

58:16are on the other side. We have the

58:17houses on Anna Drive. you're affecting

58:20the people that back up to it in

58:22Nashaquisite.

58:25Um, you know, I wish I'd been here last

58:28month when Cameron got up and spoke. My

58:30heart hurts for Cameron cuz I know he's

58:31been like waiting to build that house.

58:33And

58:36I just think the the size of this

58:38project

58:40is just going to overshadow.

58:43It's it's going to affect us no matter,

58:46you know, what no matter what you do.

58:47And um I'm worried about the noise. Um

58:53nobody can party like a traveling nurse

58:58and I think if you've got 47 of them

59:02over there, it's going to get really

59:04interesting.

59:05So I am worried about the noise level,

59:08the light, the parking lot lights,

59:11the lack of natural light.

59:14Um,

59:16car like you said, cars being left

59:18there.

59:20So, I'd really like to

59:23I wish I felt more comfortable about it.

59:27>> Thanks.

59:27>> Thank you, Sally. I I I think there's un

59:30it's undeniable that this will affect

59:33the neighbors around them. I think that

59:36they've made a very good effort to try

59:38to mitigate that. I think that with the

59:41board fence and with the plantings as

59:43they mature and and more buildings will

59:46maybe hopefully absorb the sound then

59:49then it will push it to your house. Um

59:52I'm just not sure what else we can do

59:54here to to mitigate the damage. I mean

59:57saying no is not really an option. The

59:59hospital owns the property and they have

1:00:01a right to develop it within within the

1:00:03the rules and regs. So

1:00:06we we we hear you. I just don't know

1:00:09what else we can do to be honest.

1:00:14>> Hi, good evening. I'm Amy Beaton. I've

1:00:16been here before to show support of this

1:00:17project. I appreciate all the changes

1:00:19that were made from your comments. I'm

1:00:21simply back again to to show my support.

1:00:25I come to you as a community member, but

1:00:26also the chief nursing officer at Nucket

1:00:28Cottage Hospital, where my job is to

1:00:30recruit and retain our talented staff to

1:00:34take care of our island. So from where I

1:00:36sit, this is not simply a housing issue.

1:00:38This is a healthc care issue. Our

1:00:40ability to care for this community

1:00:42depends on our ability to bring people

1:00:43here and give them a realistic

1:00:45opportunity to stay. Like I said, I'm

1:00:47just here again to show my support for

1:00:49this project. Thank you for your time.

1:00:51>> Thank you.

1:00:57>> Hello, my name is Dan Sy. Uh I'm going

1:00:59to butter to the butter at 7 drive. Um,

1:01:03I have questions about I mean really the

1:01:06only thing is it's really tall but

1:01:08obviously they can do that. Um, but

1:01:10during the construction period is there

1:01:13going to be temporary screening put up?

1:01:15Um, is there any coordination with the

1:01:17another large project uh project that's

1:01:20near Butters um for the uh affordable

1:01:22housing trust. Uh how long is this going

1:01:26to go? because I mean in all honesty the

1:01:29disruption to the neighborhood and

1:01:31construction between the two pro

1:01:33projects could be incredibly burdensome.

1:01:36Um and I'm wondering if anybody's

1:01:37considering that or making any um

1:01:41attempts to rectify in coordination. Uh,

1:01:44also is there any discussion about the

1:01:47intersection of Vesper and Surfside

1:01:50because they're saying that people will

1:01:52walk to work and not have cars, but with

1:01:54the two projects there, um, there is

1:01:57going to be a lot more traffic and it's

1:01:58right now a courtesy enter entrance and

1:02:01exit in that from that intersection. Um,

1:02:04and it's

1:02:07functioning just through courtesy

1:02:08currently. So I don't know is there any

1:02:12town planning to make sure that that

1:02:14continues to work with the increased

1:02:15density in this area

1:02:22>> at the moment? No. I I think that um

1:02:28>> how long how long you've been here?

1:02:30>> Uh 20 years.

1:02:31>> 20. Okay. So, you remember when that

1:02:34intersection, you know, the four

1:02:37corners,

1:02:38>> whatever we're gonna call it this

1:02:39century is that was the first roundabout

1:02:44proposal.

1:02:46It still ain't there, is it?

1:02:48>> I know. That's why I'm questioning.

1:02:49>> That was 25 years ago.

1:02:51>> Is it time or what are we doing?

1:02:53>> Well, I mean, this isn't our decision,

1:02:56but like just just bringing up Best Buy.

1:02:59I can think of as the telephone pole

1:03:02right where the kids walk, right where

1:03:04everybody is like affected by that one

1:03:07pole and we just replace the pole and

1:03:10put it in the same spot and the other

1:03:12three the other two that are exactly the

1:03:15same situation got put replaced in the

1:03:19same spot. I mean this is like a whole

1:03:21different type of conversation. But the

1:03:25good news is that land in five four

1:03:28corners or whatever we're going to call

1:03:31it again four corners is there's thanks

1:03:35to the hospital and this group prior

1:03:40group helped get

1:03:43that property to be able to be changed

1:03:46at some point when that day comes if and

1:03:48when the voters approve it and when we

1:03:52finally say had enough and we want a

1:03:54roundabout there, which is certainly not

1:03:58on the short shore future right now, but

1:04:02it's certainly on paper in many

1:04:04different ways. It's just that was

1:04:06rejected. So,

1:04:08>> yeah, this kind of changes the situation

1:04:10is my only point. Yeah.

1:04:12>> Well, I think that again

1:04:15it I mean there will be a time where

1:04:17some sets pay for example, right? that

1:04:20one piece which creates nobody goes

1:04:23through there unless you have to, right?

1:04:26Spreading the vehicles out, people going

1:04:27in different directions. I mean, I Joe

1:04:29lives in this area, you know. Um

1:04:33I mean it it'll absorb its own work

1:04:36itself out. I mean I mean what you know

1:04:40>> Yeah. No, I'm just asking question where

1:04:41stuff is.

1:04:43>> It will. And I think

1:04:44>> high school was the Academy Hill once

1:04:46and the hospital was on Westchester

1:04:48Street. So

1:04:50>> yeah, and I think with the with the with

1:04:52the housing situation, I mean, these

1:04:54people are working

1:04:55>> there.

1:04:57So I don't think I think more of the

1:05:00traffic concern may be the um the other

1:05:03building

1:05:04where they're going to have offices,

1:05:07correct? I believe. And and see

1:05:09patients. So that's going to create some

1:05:11traffic. I I personally don't think that

1:05:14the housing is going to create as much

1:05:16traffic as the other building. No, the

1:05:18other building will and also the town

1:05:21project, but you know, people have to go

1:05:23to the stop and shop.

1:05:25>> Hasn't even been before us yet.

1:05:29>> So, and I know that it's in the queue.

1:05:31I'm not really sure that has an RFP gone

1:05:33out for that.

1:05:34>> It's been already

1:05:37flying by the time I

1:05:38>> It's going to be there soon.

1:05:40>> Well, the way that the select board's

1:05:41speaking, we might have

1:05:43>> I didn't want to say that. But um yeah,

1:05:45I mean we can only deal with them as

1:05:47they come to us.

1:05:48>> No, I understand. But my question is

1:05:50just does the hospital um have any plan

1:05:53to coordinate with the developers there?

1:05:58>> I will get that answered for you.

1:06:00>> Hey Rick.

1:06:01>> Hey Dan.

1:06:02>> My neighbor. your name.

1:06:06>> Um,

1:06:09uh, you know, the only thing we would

1:06:10coordinate with with the affordable

1:06:13housing trust would be the utilities and

1:06:15of course the access. I mean, they have

1:06:16an easement through our property, so we

1:06:18have to coordinate with them, but we

1:06:20don't own the property. We're not

1:06:21responsible for building it. So, there's

1:06:23only so much we can do. I mean, um, you

1:06:25know, obviously we'll help them however

1:06:26they can. Um, and also to answer Dan's

1:06:29question, what we expect in terms of

1:06:31length of construction is, um, 14 to 16

1:06:33months. So, um, you know, these are

1:06:37these are big buildings. It'll take a

1:06:38while to build them out. Um, but our

1:06:40hope is that, you know, um, it's only

1:06:42happening during one summer. Um, so with

1:06:46that time frame, that should be the

1:06:47case. So, um, hopefully that

1:06:51>> Yeah, the question.

1:06:52>> Last one, Rick. uh the screening and

1:06:55kind of noise. Is there any effort to

1:06:57put something up to uh diffuse that?

1:07:00>> Um we hadn't thought of the noise. I'm

1:07:02not sure what we can do for the the no

1:07:04screen the noise. Um uh however,

1:07:07obviously, you know, we we'll obviously

1:07:08have a construction fence during

1:07:10construction. Um that's important just

1:07:12um to close off access to the property

1:07:15from anyone else. Um,

1:07:18of course the the property that we own,

1:07:20um, there will be screening on the rear

1:07:22closest to Dan's property, um, on the

1:07:25Neshquisit side, of course, because any

1:07:29any parking lot with 20 spaces, we have

1:07:31to by zoning screen that anyway. So, um,

1:07:34that'll probably, um, that'll be

1:07:36finished with with nice screening, but

1:07:38in the meantime, I assume that'll be a

1:07:40construction fence. So,

1:07:42>> thank you.

1:07:43>> But you're not having crazy operating

1:07:45hours of construction. you're going to

1:07:47have a typical day

1:07:49>> whatever the rules are. Yeah, the the

1:07:51yeah, of course. Um and and I would also

1:07:54just in in response to Miss Austin's

1:07:56question, um keep in mind that we we do

1:08:00uh have to remain dark sky compliant on

1:08:02the lights, parking lots, and everything

1:08:04else. So,

1:08:08>> Mr. Chair, I just want to remind the

1:08:09board, I mean, this isn't a special

1:08:12permit. This is site plan review. It's

1:08:14not something that you normally conduct

1:08:16independently. It's usually in

1:08:17association with a special permit. So,

1:08:20you can't place conditions and other

1:08:22things on here. Um, and just back to the

1:08:25roundabout for a minute. Um, that

1:08:27project was originally proposed in 2003

1:08:30and it said starts

1:08:33>> along the way. And when the hospital

1:08:37replacement, I guess, um, was proposed,

1:08:40they did volunteer to work with the town

1:08:42on some intersection realignment and

1:08:44some right ofway where the green light

1:08:45building is. Y

1:08:47>> and those duplexes at the corner of

1:08:49Atlantic or single family dwellings.

1:08:51>> I got that unnamed back.

1:08:53>> Fortunately, the project was never

1:08:54advanced enough by the town to get

1:08:56there. So, I mean, they have been

1:08:57cooperative.

1:09:00>> Great.

1:09:03Good evening again, Campbell Sutton. So,

1:09:05I guess in light of what Leslie said, uh

1:09:08my suggestion is or question is sort of

1:09:11out. I was thinking uh based on what

1:09:14Sally Hannah had said, maybe a

1:09:16management plan to go with the 48

1:09:21houses or you know

1:09:24their apartments, I suppose, right? 48

1:09:27apartments and have some kind of a

1:09:28management plan, which is, I believe,

1:09:32typical of things that you do in smaller

1:09:35uh situations or hotels and that sort of

1:09:37thing. Um, I really appreciated the

1:09:41shadow plan. I thought that was really

1:09:43helpful. Um, construction is going to be

1:09:47an issue.

1:09:49There's nothing you can really do about

1:09:52construction noise. The only other thing

1:09:54I have as far as lighting

1:09:56if and I don't know if these exist but

1:10:01um

1:10:03lighting that comes on based on movement

1:10:06or motion like a car coming in so lights

1:10:09go on. The high school is on

1:10:13all night and there's no one really

1:10:16there. Uh the the street light right

1:10:18across from my house is on 24/7.

1:10:22It's on at noon. It's on at midnight.

1:10:26Um, so somehow I don't know, you know,

1:10:30the the light dims, but it's always on.

1:10:33And I'm just

1:10:35I think we need a different solution

1:10:36other than lighting the entire area with

1:10:40some down lighting and calling it, you

1:10:42know, on lights and calling it night sky

1:10:45compliant because it still makes it

1:10:46difficult to see the night sky. So

1:10:49anyway, that's my only question. Maybe

1:10:51on some of it they could just have the

1:10:54uh motion sensor bits, but thank you.

1:10:57>> Thank you, Campbell.

1:10:59>> Mr. Chair, we have one hand online.

1:11:02>> Okay,

1:11:02>> I'm going to go to Cam and then I'm

1:11:04going to go online.

1:11:06>> Uh yeah. Hi, Cameron Marks. Uh just want

1:11:08to say thank you to the uh hospital team

1:11:11for um hearing my concerns and concerns

1:11:14of the board and addressing them. Um I

1:11:16did meet with them this morning to

1:11:17discuss some of the changes and I I do

1:11:19appreciate their efforts. Um, it will

1:11:21make a difference. I appreciate them

1:11:22moving it back off the property line,

1:11:23putting a screening. Um, you know, I I

1:11:26saw the letter from from Barley Farm or

1:11:28Barley Trees. Um, I guess one question

1:11:31along that that I think came to light

1:11:33after our conversation this morning was

1:11:34just the fact that they do have to put

1:11:36steel, you know, sheets in the ground. I

1:11:39just like to hear, you know, also from

1:11:40Bartlett that um,

1:11:42>> yeah,

1:11:43>> whether that would compromise, you know,

1:11:44those those trees along the line uh,

1:11:46with the sheer

1:11:48>> sheer metal to go in the ground. So, it

1:11:49be nice just to hear that from them as

1:11:51well because I don't think they knew

1:11:51that at the time they wrote this report.

1:11:53Um,

1:11:55uh, this gentleman here brought up a

1:11:56good question. Um, is does the town have

1:11:58any plan or does the hospital plan on

1:12:00using that town land at all for like,

1:12:02um, staging area for construction? Is

1:12:05that a thing at all?

1:12:06>> Wonderful housing trust land?

1:12:08>> Yeah.

1:12:08>> Um, I have to ask.

1:12:14>> Sorry. Was the question are we going to

1:12:15use their land? Yes.

1:12:17>> Yeah. For staging. No. Okay. Wonderful.

1:12:20Um, and then I guess just the um, you

1:12:22know, again the lighting would be a

1:12:24question. I know like you guys added

1:12:25some patio on that on that side. Is

1:12:27there um, I know before there was

1:12:29minimum lighting on that? I haven't seen

1:12:30a new lighting plan or anything. Are

1:12:32there any changes to the lighting plan

1:12:33on that east uh, facade um, where you

1:12:36might have lights up 24/7?

1:12:38>> Hopefully there'll be just low lights

1:12:40and nothing high

1:12:43on that side at least. Yeah, I can kind

1:12:46of imagine some some lights at

1:12:48everyone's feet around the patio. Um,

1:12:50but that's a good question and um, you

1:12:52know, we can obviously commit to um, you

1:12:56know, motion sensors particularly in

1:12:58that area or anywhere on the property

1:13:00that makes sense as well. I think that's

1:13:03>> anything you guys can do to help

1:13:04mitigate the impact would be

1:13:06appreciated.

1:13:06>> I mean, when there's choices, Rick,

1:13:09right, that you don't have to do

1:13:10something.

1:13:11>> Well, yeah. I mean, obviously parking

1:13:12lots, for instance, I think are are

1:13:15supposed to be safe. I mean, it's

1:13:16>> that's the problem with the with the

1:13:18high school, I think.

1:13:19>> Right. Exactly. Yeah. I mean, I think

1:13:21that's why the high school's on all

1:13:22night.

1:13:23>> But but this particular area that Mr.

1:13:26Marks is talking about, um, I don't

1:13:29think would apply. So, but anywhere we

1:13:31can, obviously.

1:13:32>> And then if I can just

1:13:34go back to Campbell's comment about a

1:13:37management plan. Yeah. Um, I know that

1:13:40we can't

1:13:41make it happen. But I think that it

1:13:44would be to your your client's best

1:13:47interest to have a management plan in

1:13:48the dorm um just to ensure those good

1:13:52people you get are happy and and secure

1:13:54and um and I think that would go a long

1:13:57way to to help at least alleviate the

1:14:01the investor's concerns.

1:14:02>> Yeah. Yeah. I mean that's that's no

1:14:04problem. I mean, that's an easy way for

1:14:06us to make everyone comfortable that um

1:14:10that someone's gonna be watching, right?

1:14:12>> I mean, think of it this way, Rick. You

1:14:14got six items your neighbors are

1:14:17concerned with like more than just

1:14:20whatever the real stuff. The sheep

1:14:22piles, he brought something up. I didn't

1:14:24think about that. As far as would the

1:14:26sheep pile cut roots off, is it going to

1:14:28vibrate people's houses? You know what I

1:14:30mean? But I think it's far away enough.

1:14:32I think it is because we have to keep

1:14:34this this fence according to Barllet

1:14:36>> 15 feet away from the trunks of the

1:14:38trees and and I'm I am making a bit of

1:14:40an assumption that those trees are not

1:14:42right on the line.

1:14:43>> They might be a foot or two

1:14:44>> away. Um and we're only digging uh five

1:14:48to six feet. So I think we're going to

1:14:50be good there. But um

1:14:52>> obviously we can have Bartlett look at

1:14:54that specific

1:14:54>> come and mark it out before anything.

1:14:58Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But um but yeah,

1:15:00we can certainly um have Bartlett Opine

1:15:03on that as well providing that.

1:15:05>> All right. Thanks,

1:15:07>> Cam. I'm sorry we interrupted.

1:15:08>> Yeah, no worries. Um yeah, once again,

1:15:11thank you. I mean, obviously I'm not

1:15:12happy with this building going there. I

1:15:13understand it's going to happen

1:15:14regardless. Uh the height's my biggest

1:15:16concern as well, but um there's only so

1:15:18much I can do and the board can do. So,

1:15:20I appreciate everyone's efforts to make

1:15:22it to make it better. Thank you.

1:15:23>> Thank you for understanding. We I mean

1:15:25we don't we don't take any joy in in

1:15:28approving

1:15:30applications that are going to have a

1:15:32big impact on neighbors, but it it's the

1:15:35reality of what we do, unfortunately.

1:15:38Um board members,

1:15:42we have one other hand.

1:15:43>> We have one. Okay. Yep. Who is it?

1:15:46>> Uh Tracy McDonald.

1:15:48>> Hi Tracy. Welcome.

1:15:52>> Hi. Um good evening everybody. Um so um

1:15:55I'm on here in my capacity as the real

1:15:58estate manager for the town and um I

1:16:01often work with the affordable housing

1:16:02trust and we are trying to coordinate

1:16:06with the alternative access easement

1:16:09should that um come to fruition as Rick

1:16:12put it and um we also just received a um

1:16:17very large grant that could help with

1:16:19the rec construction to move that

1:16:21access. My concern tonight is this plan

1:16:24sort of reflects our existing easement

1:16:27and the narrow width between the

1:16:30hospital property into into access to

1:16:32our property and and would that be

1:16:36adequate emergency access should we not

1:16:39um get a favorable response for the the

1:16:43alternative.

1:16:45>> This needs to be reviewed by the fire

1:16:48department. No.

1:16:52No, it doesn't.

1:16:54>> The plan doesn't look to scale it. So,

1:16:57I'm just not sure about the width of

1:16:59that area.

1:17:03>> Uh, if I may, Mr. Chairman.

1:17:05>> Yes.

1:17:05>> Uh,

1:17:08we're not changing the excess um or or

1:17:11the width of it width of it, and we

1:17:12certainly wouldn't reduce it. Um we uh

1:17:16the affordable housing trust obviously

1:17:18has an easement and we need to maintain

1:17:20the width of that easement for sure. So

1:17:23um it'll be all the better as Tracy

1:17:26mentioned if we can straighten out that

1:17:28access for everybody. Um so hopefully

1:17:32that that's able to happen but um but we

1:17:34don't have any plans to change

1:17:37uh the the access to um reinforcements

1:17:42are here. Yeah.

1:17:43>> Oh, thanks.

1:17:46>> Hi, for the record, Steve Glowaki with

1:17:48AJ O Connell Associates with the civil

1:17:50engineers on the project. We did run a

1:17:51firetruck turning template from the from

1:17:54Vasper down through around the uh center

1:17:56access as well and using the latest uh

1:18:00truck uh turning template for that. It

1:18:02was sufficient on all all sides. So, and

1:18:05we anticipate the same to go down into

1:18:07the uh into the town parcel as well.

1:18:09>> Right. Thank you very much.

1:18:10>> You're welcome.

1:18:12Right.

1:18:16Is that Are you satisfied?

1:18:18>> Sorry.

1:18:19>> Oh, did you cut her off?

1:18:21>> I

1:18:23>> Sorry, Tracy.

1:18:24>> That's okay. No, that that that's all

1:18:27that's the only question I had. We'll

1:18:29continue to work with them on it.

1:18:31>> Great. Thank you, Tracy.

1:18:33All right. Um, nobody else in the

1:18:36public. I would entertain a motion to

1:18:39close public hearing.

1:18:41So moved. Second.

1:18:42>> Motion made by Joe, seconded by Nat. Joe

1:18:46>> I.

1:18:47>> Nat.

1:18:47>> I.

1:18:47>> Liza.

1:18:48>> I.

1:18:49>> Brian.

1:18:49>> I.

1:18:50>> And I'm an I as well. As for the merits.

1:19:02>> How do we

1:19:03>> We don't We can't condition it in any

1:19:05way.

1:19:06>> No, no, no. I'm saying how does this

1:19:07>> We're approving site plan. Correct. Is

1:19:09that how we're doing this? Uh,

1:19:12>> yep.

1:19:13>> You're voting to approve the major site

1:19:16plan review and authorize staff to

1:19:18prepare an approval letter to be signed

1:19:20by the chair. And in doing so, you're

1:19:22confirming that the plan complies with

1:19:25the performance standards set for in

1:19:27139-23E,

1:19:30which in staff's opinion it does.

1:19:33>> Okay.

1:19:35I'm certainly not going to say that. So,

1:19:37I will

1:19:39I'll get paid for that. So, I will make

1:19:42that motion based on staff's um

1:19:48very eloquent, detailed motion

1:19:51suggestion. So, that's my motion.

1:19:54>> Um I'll second.

1:19:55>> Okay, great. Motion made by Nat,

1:19:57seconded by Liza Nat.

1:19:59>> I Liza I

1:20:01>> Joe I.

1:20:04>> And I'm an I as well. Thank you. I I I

1:20:09beg of you guys to please be good

1:20:11neighbors, follow through with the

1:20:13trees, and um do the right thing.

1:20:15>> Yeah,

1:20:16>> much appreciated.

1:20:16>> We'll do. Thanks so much everyone for

1:20:19>> helping with this process.

1:20:20>> Yeah.

1:20:21>> Thank you. Great.

1:20:21>> Thank you. Um I I need to backtrack. Um

1:20:26>> are we doing the uh

1:20:27>> I need to go back to the um second

1:20:30dwelling for um

1:20:32>> 53. And this is this is my fault, so I

1:20:35apologize. So, um, we, uh, approved the

1:20:40extra bedrooms and now we need to go

1:20:43back and approve the second dwelling for

1:20:44William Graham at 53 Meadow View Drive.

1:20:48Um, do I have a motion?

1:20:51>> Motion to approve the second dwelling.

1:20:53>> Second.

1:20:54>> Uh, motion made by Liza. Um, seconded by

1:20:58Joe. Liza.

1:21:00>> I,

1:21:00>> Joe.

1:21:00>> I,

1:21:01>> Nat.

1:21:01>> I,

1:21:02>> Brian.

1:21:03>> Hi. Was that an I, Brian?

1:21:06>> Uh, yeah.

1:21:07>> Okay, great. And I'm an I as well.

1:21:08That's unanimous. Thank you. Okay, on to

1:21:11um

1:21:13Scout Island Club LLC, Hensdale, Club

1:21:17606264

1:21:18Old South Road. Welcome, Sarah.

1:21:22>> Good evening, Mr. Chair. Thank you very

1:21:24much. Um, I represent the Hensdale Club,

1:21:28Scout Island Club LLC. This is our first

1:21:31hearing. So, let me just tell you who's

1:21:33in the room with me. Alan Warden, um the

1:21:37principal

1:21:39is here. Um let's see, Andrew Kchin from

1:21:44workshop ADP. With him is Michael Le um

1:21:48Whis

1:21:51Weissberg. That's right. Sorry, Michael.

1:21:54And can you bring him up as a panelist

1:21:58or are you okay? Good. Um, perfect. Um,

1:22:02Mira Bartco and Don Bracken

1:22:06is right here, our civil engineer. And I

1:22:10think on the screen we maybe have Ryan

1:22:13Maxwell. You might want to bring him up

1:22:15too in case he wants to share anything.

1:22:19And our traffic consultant who is

1:22:22Kirsten Braun I think is another person

1:22:24who should be brought over.

1:22:28So, this is a application for an MCD

1:22:31special permit with associated special

1:22:34permits and um site plan review as well

1:22:39on a piece of land. It's going to be

1:22:41part of 6062 and 640 South Road. It's a

1:22:45leasehold um interest that we're

1:22:48getting. We had a while back a

1:22:51coordinated review with all the

1:22:53department heads which was really

1:22:55helpful and helped inform everything

1:22:58that you're going to see in terms of

1:23:00what's on the plans.

1:23:02Since this is our first meeting, we're

1:23:04going to do a bit of a setup for you.

1:23:07And our goal, I think, tonight is to

1:23:11introduce you and the community to the

1:23:13project, answer as many questions as we

1:23:16can tonight about the project, take

1:23:19those that we can answer under

1:23:21advisement for the next meeting, and

1:23:23really get as much feedback from all of

1:23:26you and from the community that we can

1:23:29so that we can go back and really refine

1:23:32our plan and address what people would

1:23:35like to see in the plan.

1:23:37I'm going to try to not answer questions

1:23:40except kind of as a group at the end so

1:23:43that we kind of move along a little bit

1:23:46and unless you have anything for me, I'm

1:23:48going to turn it over to Allan to kind

1:23:50of set it up for you. Thanks.

1:23:52>> Thank you, Sarah.

1:23:57>> Uh, good afternoon. Sorry, I'm fighting

1:23:59a cold. I'm Alan Weren and uh I'm here

1:24:02to talk very briefly about our vision

1:24:03for the club and uh Andrew will walk you

1:24:06through all the details. Uh I lived here

1:24:09just as a little background. I lived

1:24:10here for 20 years and raised three of my

1:24:12children here and uh I now rent and now

1:24:15shop on Bluebird Lane and I've worked in

1:24:17real estate construction and

1:24:19hospitality. I'm the co-founder of the

1:24:21Westmore Club and the former president

1:24:23of Community Sailing. And my roots go

1:24:26back further. Um, in November this year,

1:24:29our family will celebrate a hundred

1:24:31years since my grandparents were married

1:24:33at St. Mary's. My mom was born here 99

1:24:36years ago. And so, the idea of being

1:24:38rooted in the community is really pretty

1:24:40central to what we're doing. The

1:24:42Hensdale name comes from a family that

1:24:44owned and farmed the property in the

1:24:461800s, and we plan to honor that history

1:24:49by restoring soil health and uh growing

1:24:52food in our gardens and our greenhouse.

1:24:55and we intend to work with island

1:24:57farmers and nonprofits to donate the

1:24:59food we can grow in the off season. Uh

1:25:03the Hensdale Club offers a recreational

1:25:05campus and Andrew will walk you through

1:25:07it combining athletics, wellness,

1:25:09agriculture, and environmental

1:25:11stewardship. Uh we've assembled a team

1:25:14you know well, Andrew, Don, Sarah, and

1:25:16we've added expertise in wellness, in

1:25:19sustainability, and in soil health. And

1:25:22finally, over the last year, this plan

1:25:25has really been shaped by three

1:25:26stakeholders. First, the Valeros. Uh

1:25:30Gail and Richard have owned and worked

1:25:31this land for decades, and they're

1:25:33planning for their next chapter, but

1:25:35they never wanted to sell. So, a

1:25:37long-term ground lease lets them do

1:25:39both. It supports their retirement and

1:25:42keeps the land in the family for the

1:25:43next generation. Second, the town, as

1:25:46Sarah said, thanks to Leslie for setting

1:25:48up an interdep departmental meeting.

1:25:50We've incorporated all their super

1:25:52helpful feedback. And finally, our NSHOB

1:25:55neighbors where I'm currently living and

1:25:57loving. Um, we've had four really

1:26:00collaborative meetings with NHSO, two

1:26:01with the board and two with every

1:26:03community member who is um who is

1:26:06available and um we're grateful for

1:26:08their engagement. It's been very

1:26:10positive and they've provided a letter

1:26:11of support. So, in closing, you know, we

1:26:14take our responsibilities to the

1:26:16Valeros, to the town, uh to uh our

1:26:20neighbors, and to the broader community

1:26:22seriously, and we intend to be very

1:26:25strong stewards of this property. And

1:26:27with that, I'll turn it over to Andrew.

1:26:28Thank you very much.

1:26:30>> Thank you.

1:26:33>> Thank you, Alan. Um Andrew Cotchin from

1:26:36Workshop EPD. We are responsible for

1:26:38doing the architecture and master

1:26:39planning for the project. I will spend

1:26:42most of my time just kind of walking

1:26:43everybody through the master plan to

1:26:45give you a sense. I'm sure most of you

1:26:46have seen it already, but I'll kind of

1:26:48give you the broad overview. For context

1:26:50purposes, Old South Road is traveling

1:26:53here um east west. Nshop it's to the

1:26:56eastern portion of the site and we have

1:26:58landbank property on the north and west

1:27:01side as well.

1:27:03We've whitened out a lot of the Valero

1:27:06property that we're not involved in

1:27:07manipulating or changing to sort of

1:27:09either side of the project and our main

1:27:11entrance coming in off Old South Road

1:27:13will be in a similar place that it is

1:27:14right now. There's a beautiful LA of

1:27:16trees that exists there and we're going

1:27:17to be looking to maintain those and

1:27:19we've been very focused on maintaining

1:27:22sort of an open visibility out to Old

1:27:24South Road for both traffic and bicycles

1:27:26coming down the bike path traveling east

1:27:28west.

1:27:30We like to think of the campus broken

1:27:31into sort of three primary quadrants.

1:27:34The arrival quadrant is really um the

1:27:36staff housing that's comprised of six

1:27:38structures. Two bordering um this

1:27:41portion of Old South Road and then four

1:27:43hugging tighter into the main part of

1:27:45our campus. Um those structurals will

1:27:47have about 72 bedrooms housing about 142

1:27:50staff members for the for the campus.

1:27:53The primary entrance comes into through

1:27:55here and then really at this point is

1:27:57where we really enter the threshold

1:27:58coming into the site. There will be a

1:28:00small gate house there for vehicular

1:28:02traffic coming in and traveling around

1:28:04the perimeter road and back out. Um the

1:28:07road is all um chip seal and so is the

1:28:10parking and then once you crash craross

1:28:14into that area you get into kind of the

1:28:15heart of the main campus, the arrival

1:28:17courtyard. And as Alan articulated, this

1:28:19is really about connecting buildings

1:28:21into a garden, not sort of just placing

1:28:24buildings and landscaping around them.

1:28:26We really want to restore the land and

1:28:28create, and you'll see in some of the

1:28:29renderings, the sort of energy and vibe

1:28:31of the meadows and grasses and pathways

1:28:33that will weave themselves around the

1:28:34entire project. To the eastern portion

1:28:37here are four of our 11 cottages that

1:28:41are on the property. The other the

1:28:42remaining seven are back here on along

1:28:44the north portion. We come into this

1:28:46arrival court. This is a multi-purpose

1:28:48building that may have many different

1:28:51functions happening in it. To the west

1:28:53is our our greenhouse as Allan

1:28:55articulated with sort of outdoor gardens

1:28:57on either side flanking it. That will be

1:28:58sort of a be beautiful sequence coming

1:29:00in. And then to the north portion of

1:29:02this of this quad is sort of the primary

1:29:05clubhouse, which is where our food and

1:29:06beverage component is and sort of larger

1:29:09just sort of lounge areas that will open

1:29:11out to the central courtyard. As you

1:29:13travel along the eastern portion of the

1:29:15site, this is where the main portion of

1:29:17our parking is located. There's a total

1:29:18of 175 spaces on the campus and there

1:29:22will be sort of planted buffer and

1:29:23things like that along NSHOP as well

1:29:25that as Allen said has already been

1:29:26discussed with the community. As you

1:29:28come into the heart of the campus, we'll

1:29:30be surrounded by sort of the main

1:29:32portion of the wellness on the property.

1:29:34Sort of we've taken this approach as we

1:29:36do with much of our work to break these

1:29:37larger buildings into a series of

1:29:39pavilions. So the scale of them is never

1:29:40that large. There are a series of sort

1:29:42of gable forms connected with gaskets

1:29:44surrounding both the main garden lawn.

1:29:47This will be the adult pool here and

1:29:49then it sort of transitions back into

1:29:51the additional cottages as they wrap

1:29:53around.

1:29:54Centrally located in the middle will be

1:29:56an ornamental pond that sits just

1:29:58between the adult pool and the family

1:30:00pool. We we like this idea as it creates

1:30:02sort of a nice visual break as you

1:30:04connect and look down the vistas looking

1:30:06north south that I'll show you the

1:30:07renderings in a second. And then to the

1:30:09west portion of the site is really where

1:30:11all of our racket sports will take

1:30:12place. We've got um four tennis courts,

1:30:15four pickle ball courts, and four pedel

1:30:17courts. And then in the northwest corner

1:30:20is where our equestrian component is

1:30:22where our barn is. At the termination of

1:30:25our axis looking through the campus is

1:30:27where our golf pavilion will be. And

1:30:28we've got sort of this small little

1:30:29pitch and putt area here. Green space,

1:30:32open greenery with trees and vegetation

1:30:34pathways weaving through. One of the

1:30:36primary missions of the project, as I

1:30:37said, is really this idea of sort of

1:30:39immersion in the garden and these

1:30:40pathways that wrap around. There's for

1:30:43pedestrians to walk, for users to engage

1:30:45with all of the different buildings. And

1:30:46then we've got sort of bike parking

1:30:48located throughout the site as well,

1:30:49adjacent to all of our buildings as

1:30:50that's really going to be something

1:30:51that's encouraging the members to use

1:30:53their bikes to travel back and forth

1:30:55through the site. I'm just going to take

1:30:57you through a few of the renderings to

1:30:58give you a sense of context. We sort of

1:31:00overlaid this into the best we could.

1:31:02This is all the Valero property here.

1:31:04This is the entry sequence I was talking

1:31:06about off Old South Road. Here are sort

1:31:08of the staff housing. These are our

1:31:11cottages here, cottages in the back. And

1:31:12then you get a sense of the larger

1:31:14clubhouse building and wellness really

1:31:15wrapping that central courtyard, that

1:31:16central lawn area. This is what you

1:31:19would see right when you pass the gate

1:31:21house coming into the arrival here. This

1:31:23is the primary clubhouse, the greenhouse

1:31:25here, and the multi-purpose pavilion is

1:31:27tucked behind the greenery here. I hope

1:31:29everybody really gets a sense of the

1:31:31garden aspect of this. This real

1:31:32connection into the landscape where the

1:31:34architecture is pushed into it, not

1:31:36dropped on top of it. As we come

1:31:38through, we're now stepping into the

1:31:40primary part of the campus into sort of

1:31:42the the garden space itself. This would

1:31:44be as if we were standing at that golf

1:31:46pavilion looking back to the south of

1:31:48the main clubhouse. This is the family

1:31:50um racket and pool pavilion over here

1:31:53adjacent to the family pool. This is the

1:31:55ornamental pond. Then this is the

1:31:57wellness to the left here.

1:32:00If we were now turn around looking the

1:32:01other way, if we were sitting on the

1:32:02terrace of the primary clubhouse, we'd

1:32:04look back. Here's the golf pavilion.

1:32:06Wellness over here and family and racket

1:32:09as well. This one tennis court we sort

1:32:11of immersed into the central courtyard

1:32:12here. Really sort of pushing it in

1:32:14almost a place for people to view and

1:32:16watch tennis to really connect the

1:32:18paddle paddle sports with the overall

1:32:20site plan itself.

1:32:22One more view here. This is the primary

1:32:24parking area. NOS shop would be right

1:32:26down here across this is all of our

1:32:28wellness building here. You can see it's

1:32:29broken into a series of pavilions

1:32:31bringing the eaves down really trying to

1:32:33create a nice scale within the community

1:32:36and as the adjacent to noshab so it's

1:32:38not too visually impactful as we just

1:32:39heard some of the other adjacent

1:32:41neighbors speaking about.

1:32:43And that's it. I'll turn it over to Don

1:32:46from here to walk you through kind of

1:32:48the site components.

1:32:54Good evening. Don Bracken, uh engineer

1:32:56and surveyor for the project. Um as

1:32:59Sarah mentioned, this is uh the entire

1:33:01property is made up of three assessors

1:33:02parcels that will all be combined um in

1:33:06ownership and combined for zoning

1:33:07purposes. Um as described, there's going

1:33:11to be two separate lease areas. If you

1:33:12look at the plans, we refer to them as

1:33:14the Hensdale lease area and the Valero

1:33:17retained land. Uh the hensill area is

1:33:20about 10 acres and the valero land is

1:33:21about 2 acres. Um the property does fall

1:33:25within the public uh recharge uh overlay

1:33:28district and there is a a small section

1:33:31of the property to the north that falls

1:33:32within natural heritage priority habitat

1:33:35area. Um we've already started talking

1:33:38with environmental consultants for that

1:33:40application down the road.

1:33:42Uh, as mentioned, the project has um two

1:33:45existing driveways off Old South Road

1:33:47that are going to be utilized. Um, right

1:33:50now um we're going to use the entrances

1:33:52and curb cuts as they exist. Um, the

1:33:55main uh access will still be shared with

1:33:58the commercial uses um to the south of

1:34:01it um or I should say to the east. North

1:34:04is actually going sideways, but for the

1:34:06plan purposes, we'll assume it's going

1:34:08up. So to the south of that main

1:34:09driveway coming in that then leads to

1:34:12the gate house and in and into the site.

1:34:15Um there will be uh you know the main

1:34:18parking area on the south side of that

1:34:21pool area that you can see that runs

1:34:22along the residential properties. That

1:34:24main parking area has uh 70 spaces. Uh

1:34:28the cottages around the site each have

1:34:30two parking spaces for representing a

1:34:33total of 20 spaces. Um, and on the

1:34:36middle court area, uh, we're proposing,

1:34:39uh, 15 event or over overflow spaces.

1:34:42Um, there are 18 spaces behind the

1:34:45service area sort of in in the middle of

1:34:47the site near the Valero property. Uh,

1:34:5041 spaces in the dormatory area toward

1:34:53the road. Um, and nine spaces along the

1:34:57access driveway loop, including the golf

1:35:00parking as well. Uh Kirsten Braun, the

1:35:02traffic consult consultant, will explain

1:35:05explain more about the parking

1:35:06requirements uh when she speaks. One

1:35:09thing we do want to note, um the parking

1:35:12area that's uh furthest to the east on

1:35:15the plan um is is just 5T from that

1:35:18property line. We are in the process of

1:35:20increasing that to 10 and modifying the

1:35:23plans to increase that landscape buffer

1:35:26to 10 ft.

1:35:27Um that loop road is is a track road as

1:35:30you could probably see. So there'll be

1:35:31grass down the middle. Uh the whole

1:35:33intent in this whole design was to try

1:35:35to minimize hard surfaces, pavement and

1:35:38so forth. Um as Andrew mentioned, it

1:35:42will be a chip seal surface. Uh but just

1:35:45to be clear, it's still a paved road.

1:35:46It's just the top surface is chip seal

1:35:49to make it look more like gravel. Um and

1:35:52you know, obviously not as flat,

1:35:54breaking it up a little bit. the entire

1:35:56roadway system. We, you know, we ran the

1:35:59fire truck apparatus analysis around it.

1:36:02Um, we've also been working with code

1:36:04red. They're a fire consultant that

1:36:06you've probably heard of. They've also

1:36:08reviewed the plan for access going

1:36:10around the site, including access to the

1:36:12buildings from where the fire paradise

1:36:15would be set up. Um for the you know we

1:36:19created tables for the open space and

1:36:21ground cover you know because this is

1:36:23still you know for zoning purpose

1:36:26purposes considered one lot we broke it

1:36:27down um for both you know the hensale

1:36:31and the valo piece um overall total the

1:36:34ground cover is 13.1% and the open space

1:36:38um is 45.4% 4% so well over the 20%

1:36:43minimum that's required. Um, as I

1:36:46mentioned, because we're in the uh zone

1:36:472 uh groundwater protection area, the

1:36:50drainage system is designed to comply

1:36:52with the storm water management act. Um,

1:36:54and also according to the zoning bylaw,

1:36:56all the runoff uh has to be collected,

1:36:58treating treated and recharged.

1:37:01Um these particular plans don't include

1:37:05proposed drainage on the Valero piece

1:37:06which will have to be which will be

1:37:08addressed separately um when the when

1:37:11those projects um come up. Um in total

1:37:15uh because of the way it's designed in

1:37:17the terrain we have 22 separate uh storm

1:37:20water systems. Um and those systems uh

1:37:24include combinations of what you

1:37:25typically see but a few new things you

1:37:27may not have heard of. deep sum catch

1:37:29basins, uh, rain guardian tur turrets,

1:37:32focal point bofiltration systems, uh,

1:37:35first defense storm water hydrodnamic

1:37:38separators, which are pretty common on

1:37:40the island. The one thing you probably

1:37:42haven't seen is the focal point

1:37:44bofiltration system. That's a system uh

1:37:47that is sort of like a little mini

1:37:50vegetated system uh with certain uh soil

1:37:53filters uh so that the runoff gets

1:37:55filtered before it enters uh the

1:37:58subsurface sewer systems uh subsurface

1:38:00infiltration systems.

1:38:02Uh the sewer in the project uh we're

1:38:05fortunate we can collect all the sewer

1:38:07with one gravity collection system. Um

1:38:10we're also fortunate that ab budding us

1:38:13uh through an easement at 95 GF Drive is

1:38:16the Narshaw pump station. Um we're

1:38:20trying to you know work out those

1:38:21details with the sewer department and

1:38:24hopefully making a connection there

1:38:25which would be the less least amount of

1:38:27disturbance rather than having to go out

1:38:30to uh um Old South Road and run a new

1:38:33connection in that direction. Uh we're

1:38:35looking forward to getting some feedback

1:38:36from the sewer department now that

1:38:38hopefully they've had these plans in

1:38:40time to review them. Um we're also uh

1:38:43calculating that the sewer flows. Again,

1:38:46something that we want to be able to sit

1:38:47down with the sewer department and

1:38:48figure out, but we're somewhere between

1:38:5135 and 40,000 gallons per day. So far,

1:38:54we don't think there's any issue with

1:38:56the um water capacity to to serve the

1:39:00site, but um obviously we'll expect a a

1:39:03memo from Moana Comet.

1:39:06Um the there will be a new water man to

1:39:08loop all the way around the site. Um

1:39:12uh with hydrants obviously uh hydrants

1:39:14have been uh strategically located uh by

1:39:18by our code red fire consultants. All

1:39:21other uh undergrounds will be on uh all

1:39:24other utilities will be underground as

1:39:26is typical. Um unless you have any

1:39:29questions for me, I'd like to turn it

1:39:31over to Kirsten Brun, our traffic

1:39:33consultant to talk about traffic.

1:39:38>> Thank you.

1:39:42>> Uh good evening. This is Kirsten Brown

1:39:44with Chapel Engineering Associates. Uh

1:39:46we prepared the full traffic study for

1:39:48the site. Um, are we able to just jump

1:39:50ahead in the slides to the traffic

1:39:51slides?

1:39:58All right. I I know this is a a very

1:39:59high level uh aerial, but the aerial

1:40:02image shown shows the kind of study area

1:40:04that we looked at. There are 10 critical

1:40:07study area intersections which are

1:40:09circled and numbered and their

1:40:10associated intersection names are shown

1:40:12on the right side of the page. Uh we

1:40:15collected traffic data at all of these

1:40:17intersections uh in mid July to capture

1:40:19Thursday and Saturday traffic data. Uh

1:40:22we coordinated the study area and the

1:40:25time frame for the traffic counts uh

1:40:27with town staff to ensure that we uh

1:40:30captured the peak summer periods. Um the

1:40:33study area is shown in yellow, but again

1:40:37the study area reaches from um the west

1:40:40to the milestone rotary all the way out

1:40:42to the east to noir farm road. Uh next

1:40:45slide please.

1:40:48Um so I'll try and be brief. The traffic

1:40:51study um again it it encompasses the 10

1:40:53critical study area intersections. So

1:40:55there was a lot to look at here. Uh the

1:40:57Hensale Club does propose up to 580 peak

1:41:00season memberships and 150 peak season

1:41:02employees. There are several amenities

1:41:05on site as Andrew uh detailed at the

1:41:07beginning of the presentation um that

1:41:09are open to members. However, each use

1:41:12is not an additive trip generator since

1:41:14they're only used by membership and

1:41:16typically members spend um a long

1:41:18duration at the site. They'll visit

1:41:20multiple amendies with each visit. Uh so

1:41:23that it was a little challenging to

1:41:24determine how much traffic would be

1:41:26generated by the site. So the best case

1:41:28scenario was to look at um other similar

1:41:31sites uh other similar clubs with same

1:41:33amenities. Uh the Westmore club does

1:41:36also provide the same amount of

1:41:37memberships and peak season employees.

1:41:40Um so it was a great comparison to

1:41:42estimate how many trips would be

1:41:44generated by the site. So we did collect

1:41:46traffic count data at the Westmore Club

1:41:48uh to estimate trips that for the site.

1:41:50Uh I do want to point out that we did

1:41:52estimate trips separately for the 11

1:41:54cottages and we use it data here for

1:41:57that. Another important thing to note is

1:42:00that as um was previously noted there is

1:42:03employee housing provided on site via

1:42:05the dorm buildings. So this will really

1:42:07uh reduce the number of commuting peak

1:42:09trips uh during peak periods. I believe

1:42:11the Westmore club has much fewer um

1:42:14employee housing on site. Uh we here

1:42:17will be providing enough housing for

1:42:19most of the peak season employees. We're

1:42:21also located on the bike path. So we do

1:42:23expect um members and employees to make

1:42:26use of that. And we also are located on

1:42:28public transportation.

1:42:30Next slide.

1:42:33Um so kind of jumping to the traffic

1:42:35study conclusions. Uh you can see the

1:42:37church generation numbers on the right

1:42:38hand side of the screen. Um but

1:42:41basically we estimate about tw uh

1:42:43conservatively estimate about 10% of

1:42:45increases in traffic on Old South Road.

1:42:48Um we did conservatively just to point

1:42:50out again the cottages are

1:42:51conservatively estimated. This land use

1:42:53generally accounts for uh peak commuting

1:42:55traffic which won't be the case here. Um

1:42:58but we wanted to make sure that we were

1:42:59conservative in our analysis. Um

1:43:02ultimately we found that traffic

1:43:03operations under future year conditions

1:43:06with and without the development in

1:43:07place are expected to be comparable. um

1:43:10therefore indicating that the site does

1:43:12not have a massive impact on traffic. Uh

1:43:15there are two mass DOT projects proposed

1:43:18within the study area. One at the

1:43:19Milestone Road Rotary

1:43:21and another at the Nobody Farm Road and

1:43:24Milestone Road intersection. The Rotary

1:43:27project um proposes a multi-lane

1:43:29roundabout and shared use path. And the

1:43:31Milestone Road and Nobody Farm Road uh

1:43:34proposes multimodal accommodations and

1:43:36capacity improvements.

1:43:39Next slide please.

1:43:44And then just to jump into parking

1:43:46supply and demand, uh we do propose 160

1:43:49permanent parking spaces, an additional

1:43:5115 temporary parking spaces for a total

1:43:54over overall supply of 175 spaces.

1:43:58Excuse me, I'm getting over a cold as

1:44:00well.

1:44:03Um we did compare to the Westmore Club

1:44:05and 173 parking spaces are provided

1:44:08there. Um and it was noted that the

1:44:10Westmore Club uh the parking supply

1:44:12there has been adequate to meet the

1:44:13parking demands. Um as opposed to the

1:44:16Westmore Club, the Hensale Club uh

1:44:18houses nearly all peak season employees

1:44:20on site and therefore we expect fewer

1:44:22employee cars on site. In fact, we'll

1:44:25we'll try and encourage employees not to

1:44:26bring independent vehicles. Um, so we do

1:44:29expect that the parking supply at the

1:44:31Hensale Club, uh, since it exceeds the

1:44:33number of parking spaces provided at the

1:44:36Westmore Club, we do expect that

1:44:37adequate parking supply is is expected.

1:44:41And with that, I'll turn it back over to

1:44:43Sarah to kind of close out the

1:44:44presentation.

1:44:47>> Thank you, Sarah.

1:44:50>> I think we'll take your questions.

1:44:52>> Okay, great. board members.

1:45:00It's a lot.

1:45:08>> Everyone's blabbering.

1:45:09>> I mean, it's, you know, we were going to

1:45:13the Westmore Club. I mean, it's a great

1:45:15comparison. I mean, I'm glad that we can

1:45:17do that

1:45:19because we have something to compare it

1:45:21to.

1:45:23and what was, you know, what could have

1:45:25been built there and all that kind of

1:45:27stuff back in the day 20. You just heard

1:45:30that earlier. But, um, you know, I think

1:45:34that

1:45:36there's only certain areas. I mean, I I

1:45:38look at this as like, is there a demand

1:45:39for this? I mean, that's first thing I

1:45:41when this first came up, I was like, is

1:45:43there that many people that need to do

1:45:45this? I mean, I don't think about stuff

1:45:46like this because I work every day, so I

1:45:48don't even think about things like this.

1:45:50>> You can be assured we wouldn't have put

1:45:52six months Oh, I bet. It has to be a

1:45:55demand. I just wouldn't think about

1:45:57something like that. You know what I

1:45:58mean?

1:45:59>> But, um, no, it looks good. I mean, it

1:46:04looks, you know, when you have a

1:46:05presentation like that, what are you

1:46:06supposed to say? Guy knows what he's

1:46:08talking about, you know, got it all laid

1:46:11out, you know.

1:46:13>> I'm sure Ed Peshi will come up with some

1:46:15things.

1:46:17>> I'm sure he will. So anyway,

1:46:20>> they're the the the cottages.

1:46:23>> Yes.

1:46:23>> What what are those about? Because we

1:46:26have the the employee housing in the

1:46:28front, correct? And then how exactly how

1:46:31many cottages do we have? And what are

1:46:33>> 11?

1:46:34>> And what's And what is the intended use

1:46:37>> for club members?

1:46:39>> Rentals.

1:46:40>> Yeah. I mean, is that basically

1:46:43getting sold?

1:46:44>> Yeah. Yeah. Okay. And there's how many

1:46:48of them again?

1:46:48>> 11.

1:46:49>> 11.

1:46:51>> I mean, for example, if you had a

1:46:52conference or a something in the off

1:46:55season, you could house people there

1:46:59>> during the summer. It could be rentals

1:47:01like how Sherburn Commons used to or

1:47:04maybe they still do do summer rentals

1:47:06for people.

1:47:08>> I don't I don't know. But I I understand

1:47:10what you're saying. Is it similar to

1:47:12like at the Westmore because they have

1:47:13the building with like rooms that

1:47:15members can stay at if they need a place

1:47:17to stay? Is that the concept kind of?

1:47:19>> Okay. And is there a restaurant there?

1:47:22>> Yes.

1:47:22>> Okay. Um do you know would it be like

1:47:26breakfast through dinner or is that kind

1:47:28of like in a

1:47:29>> I think early planning?

1:47:31>> That's our current concept.

1:47:34>> Um I mean I think that the plan is

1:47:36beautiful. everything looks gorgeous and

1:47:39it would um I wasn't wild about the

1:47:43idea, but after seeing the plan and

1:47:44reading about it, it's like I understand

1:47:46that like you could have 40% ground

1:47:50cover there, but it's 13%. So, it's

1:47:54probably less intense than what it could

1:47:56be. Um, but I feel like this isn't your

1:47:59issue, but I feel like we've been

1:48:01talking about this at the NP and EDC

1:48:03about traffic studies for the future and

1:48:06things that we can do in that area. And

1:48:08I feel like if this happens, that is

1:48:11like what we need to I don't know how to

1:48:14make anything move fast in state

1:48:17transportation, but like I feel like

1:48:19that is like what we have to do.

1:48:22>> Sorry, I just I'm very concerned.

1:48:24>> I agree. I think that

1:48:27when we or when I look at it, I think,

1:48:29well, what's the community benefit here,

1:48:32right? And and

1:48:34for me, the community benefit is not

1:48:36having 10 acres of what CN could be,

1:48:41right? Which is multif family housing,

1:48:44liquor stores.

1:48:46I mean, the use chart on CN is is a

1:48:50laundry list, right?

1:48:51>> Right. Um, I think this will have less

1:48:54of a traffic impact as as

1:48:57other ways this could be developed. Um,

1:49:00so I think that even though it might not

1:49:02have a direct community

1:49:05>> benefit for the everyday Nantucketer, I

1:49:08think not having a full buildout at CN

1:49:12is a community benefit,

1:49:14>> right? And we are going to try to build

1:49:16in community benefits. for example, the

1:49:18the food

1:49:20>> that's grown in the green houses during

1:49:22the winter will be donated and things

1:49:25like that.

1:49:25>> Yeah.

1:49:27>> I mean, honestly, the club really wants

1:49:29to be a good

1:49:31>> year round community member

1:49:34>> and when the members go away, that will

1:49:36open up opportunities, other

1:49:39opportunities for the club to

1:49:40participate in the island.

1:49:42Um, the other thing that I really liked

1:49:44was the year four year round cottages

1:49:47for teachers.

1:49:48>> Yes.

1:49:49>> That's that I mean it's like between

1:49:51that it's like giving back to the

1:49:53community is a big um component of

1:49:56making this appealing,

1:49:57>> right?

1:50:02>> Of course. I'm sorry. I'm rolling back

1:50:06in my head Sarah as we've discussed

1:50:09things many times. I'm thinking of that

1:50:12guy Lloyd Bristol.

1:50:14>> Oh jeez.

1:50:15>> Remember him?

1:50:15>> I sure do.

1:50:17>> And what did he say that was never said

1:50:19before playing board meeting? What was

1:50:22his famous comment? The cars are already

1:50:25here.

1:50:26>> Right.

1:50:27>> Okay.

1:50:29When the whole big nothing happened that

1:50:31never happened at the Craig property,

1:50:33>> right?

1:50:34>> That was where we heard that. And we're

1:50:37just moving the cars around. I mean, I

1:50:39don't like to make light of traffic. I'm

1:50:41not saying I don't care. I don't this

1:50:45that's not what this is.

1:50:47>> I know we're not bringing

1:50:49people ready

1:50:50>> on Nantucket,

1:50:52>> right?

1:50:53>> I said that last week at Select Board

1:50:54about

1:50:56they're parked in garages now,

1:50:58registered here, sitting in garages with

1:51:00their little trickle charges. I see

1:51:02them, too. It's funny. Everything's all

1:51:04hooked up. It's not like the old days.

1:51:06Okay. And

1:51:11I just see just vehicles going in a

1:51:13different direction at different times.

1:51:16That's the other thing is timing of a

1:51:18place like this. It's is it it's not

1:51:21going to be 6:00 a.m. to 8:00 a.m.

1:51:24adding to the backup on Old South Road

1:51:26the way

1:51:28something that is generating that same

1:51:31exact demand would be doing. I'm

1:51:33assuming you know.

1:51:35>> Correct. And people will time their

1:51:37visits to miss the traffic.

1:51:41>> If this is my last comment, okay, for

1:51:44now at least, if if the Westmore was

1:51:47built here 20 years ago and we were

1:51:50going to build the Hensdale Club where

1:51:52Westmore is now, there would be no room

1:51:56for parking in this building right now,

1:52:00>> right? That is a truly residential

1:52:03neighborhood land, you know, in in it's

1:52:07all our 20 land over there and what and

1:52:11Westchester Street was dirt.

1:52:15So, it works because it moved the

1:52:18vehicles in different directions. You

1:52:20know, I like going in the West Chester

1:52:24Street way because it's easier, right? I

1:52:26don't want to go Cliff Road way. So

1:52:29I think this will find its own

1:52:33sort of natural thing, but I think the

1:52:35most important thing is going to be for

1:52:37the locals especially is the the traffic

1:52:40generation at the worst time of day.

1:52:43That's my, you know,

1:52:48concern.

1:52:49>> Right. Well, we're h since we're housing

1:52:51all of the employees, there won't be a

1:52:53lot of people converging on the site.

1:52:56>> Yes, ma'am. and leaving and coming

1:52:58because they'll already be there.

1:53:01>> Yeah, I'm going to go to Brian.

1:53:05>> Yeah, I was I was going to comment on

1:53:07the traffic situation. A 10% increase on

1:53:10a completely full road is like a 10,000%

1:53:13increase. And I understand that you're

1:53:16going to be housing your employees

1:53:18there, but there's going to be a

1:53:20restaurant there and landscaping trucks

1:53:22and Cisco trucks and trucks delivering

1:53:26the retail stuff and trucks delivering

1:53:28cases of water, places doing laundry for

1:53:31the pool.

1:53:33Um, like I I thought this was going to

1:53:36be an an equin club, but I don't I don't

1:53:39really see it as that. I see it as a

1:53:41Wesmore Jr.

1:53:43And I don't really I mean I understand

1:53:46what can go in there. I am very very

1:53:48well aware of the be careful what you

1:53:50wish for aspect of Nantucket.

1:53:54Um this is going to really increase

1:53:57traffic on Old South Road. No matter

1:53:59what anyone says when when are when are

1:54:03when are Cisco trucks and when is US

1:54:06food and when is

1:54:08um when is all that stuff going to be

1:54:10delivered in and out of there? So it so

1:54:12a 10% increase between 7:30 and 8:30 is

1:54:17really like a 10,000% increase. A 10%

1:54:20increase from say 10:30 in the morning

1:54:23until 11:30 in the morning really

1:54:26increases nothing. And I I think a lot

1:54:29of people, especially in the summer,

1:54:30like to play tennis early in the morning

1:54:31before it gets too hot. They play in the

1:54:34evening. and um we got 580 members.

1:54:40So, let's just say randomly, let's just

1:54:43take a let's not even say 50%, let's say

1:54:4730% of that membership decides to show

1:54:51up on a Thursday morning in August. That

1:54:54is

1:54:56180 potential cars driving in and out of

1:54:58there. I mean, it that's a lot of

1:55:00traffic. 180 cars going down one in and

1:55:03out on Old South Road is a lot of

1:55:06traffic and uh there's a lot of building

1:55:09in there and a lot of pools and a lot of

1:55:12a lot of stuff going on that needs pool

1:55:15cleaners and

1:55:17a lot of a lot of things going on in

1:55:19this property to go in and out of one

1:55:21exit area here, I believe. And and I do

1:55:25think the club is beautiful. And I do

1:55:27think that

1:55:29I'm sure you guys at whatever the number

1:55:31is, if you do what, $300,000 for

1:55:34membership, you're looking at like 175

1:55:36million or whatever to to start this

1:55:38off, I'm sure you'll sell out cuz that's

1:55:40where we are in Nucket. There's, you

1:55:43know, six or 800 people that easily have

1:55:46that money for everything. Um, my other

1:55:49concern is is the Valero part. Are they

1:55:53going to keep running Valero landscaping

1:55:55and construction and all their stuff out

1:55:58of that little nugget over there um on

1:56:01the old south side?

1:56:03Um

1:56:05I mean this is just a this is a lot a

1:56:07lot a lot to develop on a on a road that

1:56:11to me is already

1:56:13almost at its breaking point. You know,

1:56:16I mean, I I I know a lot of people that

1:56:19live in NSHOP, and a lot of them

1:56:21complain to me about the traffic every

1:56:23single day. And that's during school,

1:56:26that's during the summer, that's that's

1:56:28all times. So, this is a

1:56:32I don't know. This is a this is a

1:56:33massive undertaking to to fit right

1:56:36across from Richmond. I mean, it really

1:56:38is. and and I don't know whether the

1:56:40Valeros or anyone had had talked to the

1:56:43land bank and whether the um chapter 61

1:56:47implications

1:56:48are involved in any of this stuff um as

1:56:51far as tax liabilities go for for what's

1:56:54happening here. Is that why it's trying

1:56:56to be an ecoin club? Where what are the

1:56:58what are the tax um liabilities going to

1:57:01be for this? Is it the chapter 61 going

1:57:03to be removed? And when it does is

1:57:05doesn't the town have a first ride

1:57:07refusal for this? And there's a there's

1:57:10a bunch I have I have just a litany of

1:57:13questions here that I'm still trying to

1:57:15put together in my head here.

1:57:21>> Thank you, Brian. I'm going to let Sarah

1:57:23try to address some of those. Well, I

1:57:26think the the traffic and the valo stuff

1:57:28we should kind of get back to you with

1:57:31some further detail on the um

1:57:34agricultural exemption.

1:57:37The valos um are going to withdraw it

1:57:40from that program. They will then have

1:57:42to pay the back taxes. There is a

1:57:46scenario in which the town might have a

1:57:48right of first refusal. The valeros are

1:57:51not going to do anything that would

1:57:52trigger that.

1:57:54So, it may end up delaying the project.

1:57:57Um, we're hoping that it will not, but

1:58:01that's not going to that's not going to

1:58:03come into into play. And in terms of the

1:58:07land bank, etc. The the Valeros aren't

1:58:10interested in selling their property.

1:58:11That's why this was appealing because

1:58:14they get to do the ground lease. They

1:58:16get to control the property, keep it in

1:58:19their family. It works well for them

1:58:21from an estate planning point of view.

1:58:24and allows them to kind of step back

1:58:27from the day-to-day operation of the

1:58:29property and yet still continue to enjoy

1:58:32it.

1:58:34>> No. And and I respect the Valeros and

1:58:37they've had that property and it's been

1:58:39in their family and I am nobody in the

1:58:43world to tell them what to do with their

1:58:44property. Um, for sure. And I I respect

1:58:47the Valero family a lot and I if this is

1:58:50what they want and then this is what

1:58:53we're going to go forward with and let's

1:58:54just try to make it the best situation

1:58:57we can for everybody involved.

1:59:01Agreed.

1:59:03Thank you, Brian.

1:59:06Who has Mike? Oh, I'll go. All right.

1:59:10Hey, Mike. Welcome.

1:59:14>> Uh hello. Uh,

1:59:17am I on?

1:59:18>> You You are, Mike.

1:59:19>> Oh, jeez. Okay.

1:59:21>> Uh, it it's usually I'm a panelist on

1:59:23this, so it looks a little different.

1:59:24Um, Mr. Chair, I I would say that I did

1:59:27get the uh the traffic report uh from

1:59:31Kristen. Um, I've looked through it

1:59:34briefly. Uh, typically we have uh a

1:59:36peerreview consultant take a look at

1:59:37this as well to, you know, really dive

1:59:40into it and cross check the numbers.

1:59:41I'll note, Mr. share that uh the

1:59:44corridor has grown. Uh I I'm going to

1:59:47have to talk to Nat offline about the

1:59:50the vehicles being here and how how

1:59:52whether they've increased or not. So

1:59:53that'll be a separate discussion I'll

1:59:54have with Nat. But the there is a

1:59:56circulation concern along this corridor.

1:59:59One for operations and the other for

2:00:01safety. Uh this section of Old South

2:00:03Road is on the high injury network and

2:00:05our traffic safety action plan

2:00:07recommended that we try to reduce the

2:00:09number of driveways in this area to

2:00:11reduce the turning conflicts. The main

2:00:14entrance driveway, which on the graphic

2:00:16here is the driveway at the the the

2:00:18bottom driveway there, uh that's meant

2:00:21to be the the primary in and out. Uh and

2:00:24looking at the traffic report, they're

2:00:25showing a lot of their volumes coming in

2:00:26and out of that intersection. That's

2:00:28across the driveway for the uh island

2:00:31variety. So that's that's just a

2:00:33concern, Mr. Chair, about just uh

2:00:36turning movements and the number of

2:00:38conflicts that going to be created

2:00:39there. Um so that's going to need a

2:00:41little bit of a of of a review and

2:00:43discussion uh and the uh median lane

2:00:48there on Old South Road. Uh I think we

2:00:50have had some discussion of improving

2:00:52the uh uh allowing turning movements in

2:00:55and out of the property from if if the

2:00:58driveways are going to both driveways

2:00:59are going to be two-way. uh what the the

2:01:02um the third lane or the two-way left

2:01:04turn lane in the middle of Old South

2:01:06Road, what that would need to look like

2:01:08and how that would be restriped or

2:01:09redesigned uh and it would need to be

2:01:11addressed uh to allow for better

2:01:14entrance and access. A suggestion we

2:01:17discussed with the applicant was perhaps

2:01:19doing one-way pairs for the driveways,

2:01:22having essentially the main driveway or

2:01:24the bottom driveway being uh entrance

2:01:26only and then the northern driveway or

2:01:28the one at the top closer to Lover's

2:01:30Lane being exit only. Um I think there's

2:01:33some uh conflict with the lot the

2:01:36different users of the property whether

2:01:38they feel that's a good idea or not. Uh

2:01:40I believe it's going to help contribute

2:01:41to safety along Old South Road and

2:01:43reduce conflicts. Uh like I said, we

2:01:45have an existing crash concern along

2:01:48this. It's already on our high injured

2:01:49network. The severity and frequency of

2:01:51crashes are uh it's it's not the worst

2:01:54area on the island, but it's like second

2:01:56or third. So uh we don't want to

2:01:59increase that and trend in the wrong

2:02:01direction with our traffic data. Uh so

2:02:04we would ask consideration of some of

2:02:05these uh safety counter measures um with

2:02:08this as well as improving the operations

2:02:09in and out of the of the uh the

2:02:11property. and um uh this probably does

2:02:14need uh some help with a a peerreview

2:02:17consultant uh just to assist with that

2:02:18as we've traditionally done in the past.

2:02:21Thank you, Mr. Chair.

2:02:22>> Great. Thank you. Um

2:02:26I'm sorry. Go ahead. That's all right.

2:02:28No. Uh thank you, Mike, because that's

2:02:30kind of addressing some of the concerns

2:02:31I had was one, you know, coming across

2:02:35my variety. Would this have to be

2:02:38redesigned? anything. A lot of it was

2:02:39the design was coming from Richmond. And

2:02:42then now the other part was we've asked

2:02:44Mike about a year ago to kind of look at

2:02:48and all that. I think it's six or eight

2:02:52um commercial developments and see if we

2:02:55couldn't get the flow better and how to

2:02:56get the traffic. But this is really

2:02:59going to have a major impact. I

2:03:01definitely would like the um two

2:03:04driveway access points or exit and

2:03:07egress. I think that that would be

2:03:09better. I think the other part of this

2:03:11this is um

2:03:14you know you're coming across

2:03:17uh a bike path and there's a lot of

2:03:21traffic in this area. I the positive of

2:03:24this is if we would do a NHS shop which

2:03:27is probably about 200 structures. I

2:03:30think if we did a a review of the

2:03:31planning board this could be 150 homes.

2:03:33So I think there's a balance of that.

2:03:35What I hope is that no one's really

2:03:40discovered Lover's Lane and I'm hoping

2:03:42that this really gets used and that some

2:03:44of these outlets and I hope the Rotary

2:03:46coming forward and stuff like that will

2:03:47help some of this. The other part of

2:03:49this is I hope that the traffic that I

2:03:52believe is coming against the grain on

2:03:54the mornings. It's going to the to the

2:03:57resort. I think that this is going to be

2:04:00a place that you come play tennis then

2:04:03have lunch. Maybe a family comes, hangs

2:04:05out, and then maybe two, three o'clock

2:04:07in the afternoon, you're leaving. So,

2:04:09I'm hoping that most of the traffic will

2:04:10be missed. But the to Brian's point, and

2:04:14I have the same thing. I always think

2:04:15there'd be like 300 members. Um, but to

2:04:18read 580, I think that's a large number,

2:04:21but there's a lot of positive you guys

2:04:22are doing as well. All the employees are

2:04:24going to be on site, and that's not a

2:04:26typical thing that we see. And I think

2:04:28that's applauded. Um, but

2:04:32yeah, I think there's a lot of positive

2:04:34this, but I think that we're going to

2:04:36get blasted for what this is, not what

2:04:39it could be. And I think that that's

2:04:41what we really are kind of balancing

2:04:42right now. Um, to Brian's point, yeah,

2:04:44it would have been great if the land

2:04:45bank bought it, but I I don't think

2:04:48that's an option for the Valeros. um

2:04:50even though they could have life rights,

2:04:51but I just really see that this out of

2:04:55all situations that we could have, I'm

2:04:57really hope that this is going to

2:05:00u be beneficial to the town in some

2:05:02ways, you know, winter membership, etc.

2:05:06But on campus, I don't have a problem.

2:05:09It is south road and the traffic coming

2:05:11and going. And I think that that traffic

2:05:13study is paramount to this success and

2:05:17the Rotaries and Lovers Lane being used

2:05:20and really kind of seeing in some ways,

2:05:22shape or form that this could be

2:05:24utilized. And I don't know if there's

2:05:27>> some program or something they could be

2:05:28working on to kind of work on that. So

2:05:30those are my concerns.

2:05:32>> And Mike, don't go away.

2:05:33>> I have two questions about that. If you

2:05:36wanted to do a peer review, how would we

2:05:38facilitate that? How does that what what

2:05:40gets that

2:05:42going?

2:05:43>> Mike.

2:05:45>> Uh, thank you, Mr. Chair. And Leslie and

2:05:48Megan can can talk about this as well.

2:05:50Typically, we have like a a a

2:05:52contribution in escrow. We engage a a

2:05:55another traffic consultant to review the

2:05:57report and provide comments. Uh we've

2:05:59had multiple traffic consultants on

2:06:01previous projects that are large scale,

2:06:03but I think this could have just the one

2:06:04pure review consultant just to uh talk

2:06:07about some of the concerns that we have

2:06:09uh and um and also make technical

2:06:12comments about the the traffic report

2:06:14that was repaired. Anything needs to be

2:06:15added or some additional analysis that

2:06:17needs to be done uh and other critiques.

2:06:20Um but usually that's made through a I

2:06:23I'm going to need Leslie to help me out

2:06:24with the answer with that. I think it's

2:06:25a contribution to an escrow account, but

2:06:28they can answer that better than I can.

2:06:31>> So, um, it would be paid for through

2:06:34what's called a 53G account, just like

2:06:36with the Ed Peshy reviews. So, we would

2:06:39ask the applicants to make a

2:06:43contribution towards that account and to

2:06:45continue to fund it. Um, before doing

2:06:47that though, we would need to locate a

2:06:49traffic engineer, get an estimate for

2:06:52the cost. um that's exempt from

2:06:55procurement. So it wouldn't really take

2:06:57that long in terms of paperwork, but we

2:06:59would need to find someone. So

2:07:02>> ask a crazy question to the staff.

2:07:05>> Yeah. So I think Richmond paid 3 million

2:07:08for this roadway improvement. Is am I

2:07:12wrong with that number? But anyways,

2:07:14that's not the point. Because they spent

2:07:16this money, would they get reimbured as

2:07:19some benefit to like back pay? I mean,

2:07:21it's kind of crazy. they did all this

2:07:22work and then this group is going to

2:07:25benefit from that.

2:07:26>> Well, I think that brings up something

2:07:29that has been discussed about um the

2:07:33possibility of a milestone connector.

2:07:36So, in other words, a road that that

2:07:38would connect and the thought is at the

2:07:42location of the current bike path would

2:07:44connect Milestone and Old South Road

2:07:47that to help alleviate some of that

2:07:49pressure. and we would look for a

2:07:53portion of that to be supported from

2:07:57from the applicant. But I think that's a

2:07:59a a big a bigger a much bigger

2:08:01discussion and that's why I want Mike to

2:08:03hear it. And just on that, um, through

2:08:06the planning commission, we're currently

2:08:08doing the modeling study, the traffic

2:08:10modeling, and the contract for that was

2:08:12expanded for the consultant to look at

2:08:16this conceptual milestone connector as

2:08:19well as a conceptual Tacoma connector to

2:08:22see if

2:08:24those particular connections were made

2:08:26through to other roads, how would that

2:08:28impact the traffic in the Old South

2:08:30Corridor? So, we're in the middle of

2:08:31that now. Um, we're supposed to have a

2:08:33select board meeting, joint planning

2:08:35commission meeting on December 7th. So,

2:08:37we'll have more information. Um, and of

2:08:41course that would require county

2:08:42commissioners to support it and want to

2:08:45come at water company and some other

2:08:46things. So, it's a a bigger item than

2:08:49just this. Um, but I think certainly

2:08:51worth talking about and maybe after

2:08:53December 7th.

2:08:54>> I Yes, I I agree. I think that that

2:08:56really could help mitigate the concerns

2:08:59of the added traffic on Old South Road

2:09:02if

2:09:02>> so like an infrastructure contribution

2:09:05like we used to do bike path

2:09:06contribution.

2:09:07>> Exactly. Exactly.

2:09:09>> And how would that amount be

2:09:12>> deter like who determines that amount?

2:09:14How does that happen?

2:09:15>> We had we'd have to talk about that.

2:09:17>> Yeah. Primary discussion

2:09:20about that. We haven't gotten there yet,

2:09:21but it it be

2:09:24>> within

2:09:25>> I want to shift my idea to put it

2:09:26towards that fund. How's that?

2:09:28>> If I can do that. Okay. Thank you. Thank

2:09:31you.

2:09:31>> Um so I I think that that is I think

2:09:34that that concept should be put into

2:09:37play with

2:09:38the traffic model or the the traffic

2:09:41forecast uh whatever we call

2:09:44>> the peer review demand forecast. we have

2:09:47on a separate track of of forecast model

2:09:51of traffic going through the NPNDC and I

2:09:54think that if there was a way to model

2:09:55that and understand the relief it would

2:09:58it would create for the pressure on Old

2:10:01South Road I think that would be very

2:10:02helpful for your cause and be very

2:10:04helpful as a community benefit

2:10:08an an added community benefit and again

2:10:10we're not asking you to to to pay for it

2:10:12all but I think that's going to be part

2:10:15of the discussion

2:10:16>> yeah and just by way background. The

2:10:18milestone connector concept, it's just a

2:10:20concept. Um, came up probably more than

2:10:23a decade ago and the the traffic on Old

2:10:26South Road just didn't support it when

2:10:28we did some preliminary studies. Um, but

2:10:30I think it's very different today and it

2:10:32may have a different outcome. So, we'll

2:10:34just have to stay tuned.

2:10:35>> Yes. So, are we going to be beheld to

2:10:37the mass DOT and being installed by them

2:10:42or is it

2:10:42>> It depends on if the taxpayers want to

2:10:45fund it or if we want to wait.

2:10:47>> That's my question.

2:10:48>> Because we accelerate this timeline.

2:10:50>> If if you if you told the community that

2:10:53you're going to alleviate 20 or 30% of

2:10:56the pressure, if that much on Old South

2:10:58Road, they would open their wallets. I

2:11:00would hope. But

2:11:02>> I would see this as a locally funded

2:11:03project. Okay.

2:11:06Yeah. So, um, anybody else with

2:11:11questions or concerns?

2:11:12>> Yeah, Mr. Chair, uh, Dylan has his hand

2:11:15up. Okay. Brian has his hand back up,

2:11:17and we have Tracy McDonald with their

2:11:18hand up as well.

2:11:19>> Okay. And this is a this is a a public

2:11:21hearing, so people are welcome to to

2:11:23come to a mic if they wish.

2:11:25>> Um,

2:11:28>> it's open.

2:11:30Um,

2:11:32who was up first, Dylan?

2:11:33>> Uh, Dylan.

2:11:34>> Okay. Dylan, welcome.

2:11:36>> Thanks, Mr. Chair. Can you hear me?

2:11:37Okay.

2:11:38>> Yes.

2:11:39>> I just wanted to ask, and I'm sorry if I

2:11:41missed this, is is and maybe it's too

2:11:43early to have an answer to this, but

2:11:44does the applicant group have a plan for

2:11:46a winter or year- round local

2:11:47membership?

2:11:51>> He asked if there was a plan for a

2:11:53yearround or local membership program.

2:11:58>> Well, we were talking about doing the

2:12:00fellows, I think, in place of that, but

2:12:03if

2:12:04Alan, do you want to address that or do

2:12:06you want to punt it?

2:12:10>> Yeah, I think um obviously there are a

2:12:12variety of community benefits and we

2:12:14didn't get into details. So, some of it

2:12:15is teacher housing because we're going

2:12:16to have a very advanced educationbased

2:12:18summer program. So, we need teachers.

2:12:21Then it was like, why would we kick them

2:12:22out? It made sense to provide year-round

2:12:24housing. So, that's a benefit. We're

2:12:26going to have a fellows program for

2:12:28island leaders to help shape the

2:12:31philanthropy of the club. clubs have

2:12:32been very generous and we want to be

2:12:34leaders in that. So that's another

2:12:36community benefit. Um the winter program

2:12:39is a challenge um for a bunch of

2:12:41reasons. They don't frankly want to

2:12:42compete with Westmore. So um that's sort

2:12:45of under consideration. There may be

2:12:48some opportunities to use some of the

2:12:50spa but not some of the strength

2:12:51training. So we're still trying to

2:12:53figure that out. Okay.

2:12:54>> Work in progress.

2:12:55>> Work in progress. I mean we we we would

2:12:57love to do it. And uh I do in the in one

2:13:00of the buildings near the family pool,

2:13:02we're going to have not only a kids

2:13:04club, but a maker space, 3D printing and

2:13:06robotics, which is why we need teachers.

2:13:08And those would be open in the winter.

2:13:10We've talked about toddler time uh in

2:13:13the greenhouse. Uh again, I raised three

2:13:15kids and on a Sunday morning there's not

2:13:17a lot to do. So I think if we can

2:13:19activate some of these spaces in the

2:13:21winter, which seems obvious uh to us, uh

2:13:24we want to do it. So, we're going to

2:13:26look at all sorts and we're talking to

2:13:27some nonprofits about what to do.

2:13:29>> Okay, great. Thank you, Dylan. Was that

2:13:31>> Mr.

2:13:32>> Yes.

2:13:32>> Yeah. Can I can I just add one thing? Um

2:13:35I just want to, you know, point out that

2:13:37like I know the at the Westmore, which

2:13:39we seem to be using um as an analog for

2:13:42this, the winter membership is about I

2:13:44think $1,800 for nine months, which is

2:13:46about $270 a month. Um, and you know,

2:13:51I've considered that and ultimately

2:13:52decided that even as somebody in a

2:13:54household that's about 150% of area

2:13:57median income, that spending $500 of a

2:14:00month between my wife and I is just not

2:14:02really sustainable. So, I would just add

2:14:05while all of the community benefits

2:14:06sound really great and fantastic, that I

2:14:08think one of the primary community

2:14:10benefits would be trying to make a way

2:14:12that people who are here year round can

2:14:14access the space and that there's not

2:14:16another part of the island that's

2:14:17blocked off to the locals.

2:14:20Good, good, good point. Thank you,

2:14:22Dylan.

2:14:25Um,

2:14:27is Brian okay now?

2:14:29>> He took it down.

2:14:30>> Oh,

2:14:31well then I'm going to go to

2:14:34Mr. Todd, right?

2:14:36>> Scott Wilson.

2:14:37>> Scott Wilson, I'm sorry. She had a

2:14:39moment.

2:14:39>> Hi, I'm chairman of the board of

2:14:40trustees of NOSH and glad to be here

2:14:44tonight. Um, I wanted to affirm for the

2:14:48record our um our board's uh

2:14:50wholehearted support for the

2:14:52development. Uh, we view it as the best

2:14:54possible outcome for that piece of

2:14:55property next to us. We we we are the

2:14:58abuter along the entire bottom edge

2:15:00there, the eastern edge. Um

2:15:04the only con the only big concern we had

2:15:06of course was traffic and I had a big

2:15:09speech prepared to uh uh uh try to land

2:15:13based you guys about uh the the the the

2:15:17pro the Hens the Hensale Club is not

2:15:19causing any more trouble on Old South

2:15:21Road than it has right now. And it's Old

2:15:23South Roads that needs to be fixed. It

2:15:25just it just it is it is unbearable. Um

2:15:28you you know you have to leave an hour

2:15:30and 15 minutes early to get to a tea

2:15:33time at my comment. It's just

2:15:34ridiculous. Um

2:15:37um

2:15:39just um reflecting on something that

2:15:41happened two years ago. This board um

2:15:44approved a Valero request for uh the

2:15:47opening of a health club fitness center

2:15:50on their property. They never did that.

2:15:52Um, but I do believe that they intend to

2:15:56uh build it or put it in that existing

2:15:59building that's in the white the white

2:16:01the big white box there, the biggest

2:16:03white box in the white area. Um, and

2:16:06that was a 24-hour fitness center they

2:16:08were planning to build. So, um, that's

2:16:10another um traffic additive that I hope

2:16:13is not getting lost in the uh u in the

2:16:17studies.

2:16:21So you wholeheartedly endorse this but

2:16:24have

2:16:25>> we we we we something's going to happen

2:16:28with that property.

2:16:28>> Yeah. Oh yeah. No, we we get

2:16:31>> and it's right now it's it's it's it's a

2:16:33problem with us because of the nature of

2:16:34the business that goes on there and the

2:16:36border is a mess and it's just they're

2:16:39not I don't want to say they're not good

2:16:41neighbors. The nature of their business

2:16:42is not good neighbor with us.

2:16:44>> No, I get it. Yeah. And so um we're

2:16:47overjoyed at the prospect of a nice

2:16:49quiet country club being put up next to

2:16:51us as opposed to what did you say R20

2:16:54max out

2:16:54>> CN. Yeah.

2:16:55>> So um you know we we jump at this. I

2:16:59mean something's going to happen.

2:17:00>> Yeah.

2:17:01>> I remember 15 years ago we were

2:17:02negotiating with Phil Passen who I think

2:17:04he was trying to I think it was Phil who

2:17:06was trying to build a grocery store

2:17:08there.

2:17:09>> That's this is before the stop and shop

2:17:12got moved and everything else. and we we

2:17:14got we had a whole profer sheet

2:17:16negotiated and everything and it and it

2:17:17went away and we we were very relieved

2:17:19but of course he then went across the

2:17:21street and built

2:17:23uh the conglomeration over there.

2:17:24>> Yeah. Um, and it was interesting

2:17:26listening to you guys count the

2:17:27businesses because I think that there is

2:17:29a um a prefab uh uh for the for the

2:17:34third uh commercial building along south

2:17:38>> sitting on the side of the road,

2:17:39>> you know, Island Variety UPS third one.

2:17:42It's about to start. So, it's just it's

2:17:45just getting worse and worse and worse.

2:17:48>> So, wholeheartedly support this.

2:17:51hate what it does for traffic, but

2:17:53we hate the traffic to begin with.

2:17:55>> Yeah. And and that's not lost on us. I

2:17:57mean, I I think that, you know,

2:18:00the hope that we can that we can that

2:18:03that connector may work could could

2:18:05really be helpful. Um,

2:18:08you know, and and yeah, it that property

2:18:10already brings traffic

2:18:13and and I know another board member was

2:18:16concerned about US food trucks and

2:18:18delivery trucks. the delivery trucks are

2:18:20already on that road. It's just another

2:18:22stop for them. It's not it's not another

2:18:25trip. So, um but it will have a negative

2:18:28impact on

2:18:28>> another.

2:18:31I get it.

2:18:31>> It's um

2:18:33>> it's crazy.

2:18:34>> Y

2:18:34>> Thank you.

2:18:35>> Thank you.

2:18:35>> U Mr. Chair, just for the record, the

2:18:38>> the modular that's being stored there

2:18:41right now is for affordable housing.

2:18:42>> Oh, okay. Yeah,

2:18:43>> there you go. As a good purpose. Um

2:18:46Brian's hands fell down.

2:18:48>> No. Yeah, it is

2:18:50>> Campbell Sutton. So, um obviously the

2:18:54the traffic is just the thing that pops

2:18:57out. However, I really appreciated the

2:19:00uh expansion of the buffer to 10 ft on

2:19:03the eastern side of the plan. I thought

2:19:06that was uh quite considerate to the

2:19:08neighbors. Um, I'm I'm actually hoping

2:19:13that the overall plan is to have its own

2:19:18maintenance, pool maintenance

2:19:21onsite, its own lawn and garden onsite.

2:19:26So that to the previous um speaker's

2:19:30point of increased traffic of problem

2:19:34vehicles um would not be part of this

2:19:38plan. that um that they would have a way

2:19:41to be doing their own pool maintenance,

2:19:43their own wetland maintenance, tennis

2:19:46court maintenance, lawns, gardens, etc.

2:19:49That would be one suggestion. Um

2:19:52obviously with that number of employees

2:19:55on site, obviously a management plan

2:19:58that is pretty intensive, obviously you

2:20:01guys would come up with that. Um,

2:20:04and it looks like an interesting use. I

2:20:08guess my other thing is, and I think if

2:20:10the town puts a road in on that

2:20:12connector, it probably has to be paved,

2:20:15but in a way, given the um emphasis

2:20:18that's being put on on the debt

2:20:20townwise,

2:20:22um you know, it might if possible, you

2:20:26know, to put in and maintain a really

2:20:28good dirt or um I forget what that's,

2:20:33you know, that stone dust they put down

2:20:35is fabulous for really creating like a

2:20:37pavement like but not pavement as a

2:20:40connector um and then over time

2:20:44considering the paving of it so that we

2:20:46can take the dead on in a peacemeal

2:20:48fashion. So thank you.

2:20:50>> Thank you Campbell.

2:20:53>> Mr. Sulliv.

2:20:54>> Hi my name is Brian Sullivan. Um I want

2:20:57to speak to Dave to your comments not

2:20:59necessarily the project about the net

2:21:01benefit of not the commercial lots. And

2:21:04I've mentioned this at other meetings

2:21:06with you guys where you looked at

2:21:07housing on commercial lots. The loss of

2:21:10commercial land on Nantucket has been

2:21:12drastic since we went through an effort

2:21:15to remove the RC zone and create four

2:21:17zones of CNC, CMI, etc. So now you have

2:21:21limited areas that you can operate

2:21:23businesses and it effectively has 3x the

2:21:25cost of commercial property around the

2:21:27island and it's limited the

2:21:29opportunities for small businesses in a

2:21:31lot of locations. And I can guarantee

2:21:33that we are never going to create more

2:21:35commercial out of residential here on

2:21:38the island. So to think about the net

2:21:40benefit to the island, it is an overall

2:21:43reduction to our economy to remove

2:21:46commercial opportunities from small

2:21:48businesses and the way things are going.

2:21:51I want you to consider that in all of

2:21:54the projects that are incoming in front

2:21:55of you. You know, I am a housing

2:21:57advocate, but even with housing ones

2:22:00without first floor commercial uses, uh,

2:22:02I think that we have an issue where we

2:22:05see doctors can't get located in office

2:22:09space on the island on Old South Road

2:22:11because of, you know, certain

2:22:14disgruntled neighbors. We see um, you

2:22:17know, hard opportunities to find spaces

2:22:19to open businesses. and you're either a

2:22:22tenant like these guys would be tenant

2:22:24in a commercial property. Um it it's a

2:22:27it's a real concern and again this is

2:22:29not particularly about this project that

2:22:31the plan is beautiful. Um, but I want

2:22:34you to have an overarching consideration

2:22:3620 years from now. Where are our peers

2:22:39going to open their businesses? Because

2:22:40there's not much left and it's more

2:22:43complicated

2:22:44in places to put it because we've made

2:22:47the zoning very specific because we are

2:22:50always considering the neighbors. Um, so

2:22:53I just want to caution you to the

2:22:54comment you made Dave um on on that

2:22:57thought process.

2:22:58>> No, I I agree. We can't force property

2:23:02owners to use their property. We can

2:23:06force them to use it in a way that's

2:23:08allowed in that zoning district. And if

2:23:09that's the way they choose,

2:23:13>> I think our hands are tied. But I you're

2:23:14100% right. We are very shy on

2:23:17>> we can we can change the zoning,

2:23:19>> but then they would just be grandfather,

2:23:21right?

2:23:23>> But we can if the use didn't exist yet.

2:23:25>> Yes.

2:23:32Welcome back.

2:23:33>> Thank you. Uh just one more thing. Um

2:23:36the stable or uh barn uh in the top

2:23:40right corner is a is has um stalls for

2:23:44eight horses. And as you can see,

2:23:46there's not a whole lot of room for uh

2:23:48riding horses around the club. they're

2:23:50going to be pushed into the um trails

2:23:54and paths uh owned by the land bank in

2:23:56the surrounding area. And uh um it was

2:24:00of concern to our neighborhood that uh

2:24:02um a lot of horse traffic might lead a

2:24:04lot of litter and stuff. And

2:24:07>> I I think the bigger concern is I don't

2:24:09think there's enough turnout space for

2:24:11eight horses on that piece that they

2:24:14show us. But um I mean I I think that

2:24:17that the concern about that and the

2:24:20trails can be addressed for sure if just

2:24:23that's what happens. I did notice and

2:24:26maybe I overlooked it. Is there a

2:24:28maintenance building in that plan? There

2:24:30is. Okay. All right.

2:24:35Okay. Great. Thank you.

2:24:41>> Oh. All right. Great. with that and a

2:24:44couple others on them as well.

2:24:46>> Okay.

2:24:47>> Hi, Melinda Vallette. Just a question. I

2:24:50think it's admirable to provide housing

2:24:52for teachers, but are those public

2:24:55school teachers or are they the tutors

2:24:57for the club?

2:25:06>> Sorry.

2:25:08>> Are they tutors for the club or they

2:25:10public school teachers? Ideally, we

2:25:11would recruit public school teachers

2:25:13from Nantuck public school

2:25:16um because they would presumably work in

2:25:19our program in the summer and then be

2:25:21able to help activate the campus. I

2:25:23mentioned toddler time or or maker space

2:25:26and it would be just awesome to have a

2:25:28teacher there who could open up on a

2:25:30Saturday or Sunday. So, we'd sort of

2:25:32give them some work through the winter

2:25:33but definitely in the summer helping

2:25:35drive our program.

2:25:37>> Great. Thank you. Hands- on life.

2:25:41Yeah. Do you want to go to Brian or

2:25:42>> Yeah, we'll go to We'll go to Brian and

2:25:44then members of the public.

2:25:46>> Brian, welcome back.

2:25:48>> Thank you. Um, it's funny Brian Sullivan

2:25:51and I thinking exactly on the same level

2:25:53of the the loss of commercial land

2:25:55again. Like right across the street, we

2:25:57lost Glowaki Land. That's where like the

2:26:00grease monkeys and the boat captains and

2:26:02the guys fixing stuff. That's where we

2:26:03all used to go. And now we're getting

2:26:06another club. um we're not one tire is

2:26:10going to get changed or one oil change

2:26:12is going to happen, which I understand.

2:26:15I understand what's happening. Um also

2:26:19Dave, I was very concerned about the the

2:26:21equin area back there. As a as a horse

2:26:23owner, I don't think that that area to

2:26:26me looks like a complete afterthought

2:26:27there. I don't see turnout area. I don't

2:26:29see enough I don't see enough um

2:26:34care given to to eight eight stalled

2:26:36animals back there. I would just really

2:26:38like to see a full review of that. I

2:26:41know that that's probably not in our

2:26:43purview of of what's happening, but do

2:26:45we also have an equin vet on Nantucket

2:26:48that can service these animals or is

2:26:50that somebody that's got to come back

2:26:52and forth in case of collic or an

2:26:54emergency situation like a broken pastn

2:26:58or something like that of a horse?

2:27:03>> All good thoughts.

2:27:08Thanks, Brian.

2:27:10>> We have Tracy McDonald.

2:27:12>> Hi, Tracy. Welcome back.

2:27:16>> She just put her hand down, but Tracy,

2:27:20sorry.

2:27:21>> Yeah, I got it. Um,

2:27:24am I unmuted now?

2:27:25>> Yes, you are.

2:27:26>> Okay. Sorry. Um, I'm speaking as a

2:27:29citizen, not in my capacity as the real

2:27:31estate manager. Um, so I had two

2:27:34comments. one uh was related to traffic,

2:27:36which many of um my concerns were

2:27:38addressed. And I want to thank Mike for

2:27:40his review and the board for their

2:27:42thoughtful comments. Um my son works at

2:27:44the UPS store and there isn't a single

2:27:47day um where he's trying to pull out

2:27:50onto Old South Road, whether it be

2:27:52winter or summer, although it's more

2:27:54difficult in the summer. Generally in

2:27:56the winter, somebody will stop and let

2:27:58him go. but he's just one person who,

2:28:02you know, works full-time at the UPS

2:28:04store who has to deal with that every

2:28:06day. Um, so that intersection is very

2:28:09very problematic and um I I welcome the

2:28:12idea of some alternative solutions um

2:28:14for that. And then my second is um with

2:28:18respect to the the seasonality of the

2:28:21business here, what are what what level

2:28:24of season are we talking about? Is it

2:28:26from October to uh from May to October

2:28:29or is it like May to December? What are

2:28:32we talking about for the season versus

2:28:34the shoulder?

2:28:41>> I think you see a schedule with most

2:28:43clubs where the goal is to keep it open,

2:28:46but the reality is the population fades.

2:28:49And so trying to operate beyond, you

2:28:52know, Columbus Day gets hard. So, we're

2:28:54going to um you know, we would love to

2:28:57be open longer, but I think the reality

2:28:59of the season is it's sort of, you know,

2:29:00early June to midocctober is, you know,

2:29:04and and I think we will have some

2:29:06wellness retreats in the winter. That's

2:29:08a goal. We're going to really go deep on

2:29:10longevity. Um so, I think we will have

2:29:12some events, but those are weekends. Um

2:29:14so, I think it it's a typical club

2:29:16schedule is what we expect.

2:29:18>> Great. Thank you.

2:29:22Thank you. Are you you all set, Tracy?

2:29:25Did those answer?

2:29:26>> Yeah, thank you. That that's all I had.

2:29:27>> Thank you. I know Brian has his hand

2:29:29back up. Was there anyone in the public?

2:29:31>> We have Lisa Leo.

2:29:32>> Okay, I'm going to go to Lisa Leo and

2:29:35then back to to you, Brian.

2:29:38>> Hi.

2:29:39>> Hi. Welcome. Um, I live at 71 Goldfinch

2:29:43and um, you know, I'm right along the

2:29:47I'm right behind the uh, parking lot.

2:29:50So, I'm directly impacted by that

2:29:53project. I feel like in a really

2:29:55negative way in that, you know, the the

2:29:59project sounds wonderful for the hund

2:30:01the 580 rich people who are going to

2:30:05enjoy it, but we're not going to have my

2:30:09family who my daughter and her husband

2:30:11live there full-time and work there

2:30:13full-time.

2:30:15They're not going to have anything to do

2:30:16with the wellness or the gardens or the

2:30:19grasses or any of those nice things

2:30:21about the project which looks beautiful

2:30:24and we're just going to have the

2:30:26pavement

2:30:28and the lights and we're having we are

2:30:31looking at literally the ugliest part of

2:30:34this project.

2:30:36So I since I know it's happening I'm not

2:30:39I'm not in the dark about this. What I'm

2:30:41trying to do is understand if there's

2:30:44any possibility of further mitigation

2:30:48of of this parking lot. Um, and you

2:30:52know, parking lots bring on, you know,

2:30:54pretty much 247

2:30:57activity, especially on the weekends

2:30:59with weddings and drunk people and early

2:31:01in the morning with tennis and pools.

2:31:05It's just constant 247 thing. Um, so I

2:31:09understand that they've they started

2:31:12with the five feet, which to me is a

2:31:15joke, um, and then went to 10 ft, which

2:31:19I still think is just so close. It

2:31:22literally 10 10 feet is right up against

2:31:25the fence still.

2:31:28And if you look along the fence,

2:31:30certainly behind my property, I'm at 71.

2:31:33There's very giant

2:31:35trees that are big and mature, and I

2:31:38would hate to see those taken down in

2:31:42order to accommodate the new um buffer

2:31:46zone. So, um what I'm asking for is some

2:31:52possibility of pushing it back further.

2:31:54I don't know if it can be done. Maybe

2:31:57certainly keeping the big trees that are

2:31:59already there and putting in heavy thick

2:32:04additional buffer trees

2:32:08up against those trees like really

2:32:11buffer that area because it is the

2:32:13ugliest part of the entire project. Any

2:32:16parking lot is the ugliest part. And you

2:32:19know, I know like they might want to put

2:32:21hydrangeers and grasses and this and

2:32:23that, but that's something that's in the

2:32:25interior which all of the people get to

2:32:30look at, but we don't see.

2:32:33So,

2:32:34I don't know if it's possible to push it

2:32:36back further um um

2:32:41further than 10 ft. And then of course

2:32:43then there's and also to really heavily

2:32:47um put the trees in in the buffer. And

2:32:51the second thing and the last thing is

2:32:53the lights as other people have said. I

2:32:56I just I know those lights are going to

2:32:57be on 247 and I know that they're the

2:33:00kind of lights they are the low lights

2:33:02and this and that but are they pointing

2:33:05at my house all day long or at night? Um

2:33:09because if they're higher than the

2:33:11trees, then all you see is the lights

2:33:15because

2:33:17they're just not going to be,

2:33:19you know, it lower than the trees. Um

2:33:23but um and I don't know if the parking

2:33:26lot also, and this is the last thing

2:33:27I'll say and I'll shut up, I don't know

2:33:28if the parking lot all has to be

2:33:31intensely in that one corridor. If it

2:33:34can be maybe some of it can be moved in

2:33:38other parts of that beautiful area, that

2:33:43beautiful project of 10 and a half

2:33:45acres. Um maybe it can be some of the

2:33:48the parking lot can be spread out a

2:33:50little bit more as opposed to all right

2:33:53there. So those are my only comments

2:33:56because I I really and then my husband

2:33:58wants to just say one word. Sorry.

2:34:01>> Okay. Hi, and thank you for um your

2:34:03time. As my wife said,

2:34:05>> sorry, can you state your name as well?

2:34:07>> Oh, I'm sorry. My name is Yan Jen

2:34:10Urkavik. Um,

2:34:12>> thank you, Yan.

2:34:13>> Yeah. Um, so the project looks

2:34:17beautiful. We're we're glad uh going to

2:34:19be a nice neighbor. Um, I was just, you

2:34:23know, looking at the layout. I I wish on

2:34:26the other side of um your your drawing

2:34:31you showed um the Goldfinch uh drive

2:34:36properties. The there are five or six

2:34:40homes which have probably like 12 foot

2:34:43backyards

2:34:44and the ones towards Old South have have

2:34:47sizable backyards

2:34:49distances from the back of their house

2:34:51to your property line. uh as do the

2:34:56homes that go towards the back of the

2:34:59property and then the back line of the

2:35:02property I know is um sort of a land

2:35:05bank and uninhabited. So, you know, I if

2:35:09I know the goal for these projects is

2:35:11always to to lessen the impact certainly

2:35:14of longtime residents and uh you know,

2:35:19it it seems like

2:35:22five or six houses like it's the

2:35:26absolute worst place at least for us

2:35:30um for for the parking lots to be. Um,

2:35:34I'm just wondering, you know, why they

2:35:36couldn't have been ab budding areas

2:35:37where people don't live. Um, and and I'm

2:35:40I'm sure it's too late in the process to

2:35:43change that, but I'll just reiterate

2:35:45what my wife said. Um, there are there's

2:35:48a row of large trees there, some pine,

2:35:52some maple. They're they've been there a

2:35:54long time, and I certainly would hate to

2:35:56see those come down. I don't think

2:35:59they're far from our back fence. I they

2:36:02might be

2:36:058 feet 10 feet. So I'm I'm if it's if

2:36:09it's a matter of a couple of feet um in

2:36:13your project um layout I I would hope

2:36:16you take that into consideration to

2:36:19leave those trees because you know in

2:36:21some ways they may offer you a savings

2:36:24and and not thinking you have to create

2:36:26such a such an expensive buffer. Um,

2:36:30>> so that would be uh wonderful. Like I

2:36:33said, probably uh

2:36:36probably a little little bit late to to

2:36:37to place those um parking lots

2:36:41elsewhere. I don't know much about I

2:36:43don't know much about lighting, but if

2:36:46there's any way I've seen, you know, the

2:36:47lighting for parking lots are are not

2:36:50set high. They're set a little bit lower

2:36:53and and often they

2:36:56aim not straight down but towards where

2:37:01the cars are parking. So, you know, that

2:37:03would be great if you you know, you

2:37:05really investigate uh you know, lighting

2:37:08that wouldn't wouldn't be sort of, you

2:37:10know, blaring uh into uh the back of our

2:37:15property. Uh again, I want to thank you

2:37:17for your time and uh

2:37:20>> thank you.

2:37:21>> Good luck with the project.

2:37:22>> Thank you and thank you for your

2:37:24comments.

2:37:26>> Thanks. I just wanted to say we'll look

2:37:27at that more carefully and you know

2:37:29we're already redoing the plan. The

2:37:31bylaw requires the 10 ft. It also

2:37:34requires certain number of trees, one

2:37:37for every eight feet maybe.

2:37:40>> I think we can do better than that.

2:37:41>> And I think we can do better than that.

2:37:43And is it your is it the intention to

2:37:46keep those old growth trees along the

2:37:48property line? Is that possible?

2:37:50>> I don't know. We'll look at we can look

2:37:51at that. I don't know.

2:37:52>> And then yeah, I mean if you can

2:37:54increase the 10 feet, but of course we

2:37:56will condition very thick right

2:37:58>> buffer and maybe even and a fence

2:38:00between them and

2:38:02>> and we could even maybe

2:38:04look at moving the fence in.

2:38:08>> You know what I mean?

2:38:09>> Yeah. It sounds like you're flexible. I

2:38:12just want to say one thing about the

2:38:14location of the parking lot. First of

2:38:17all, this is the for the members. The

2:38:20employee parking is over by the employee

2:38:23housing. So, the going and coming at

2:38:26night and all of that like late night

2:38:29stuff isn't going to be happening

2:38:32>> in this area at all. It's just parking

2:38:35for club members.

2:38:36>> Paz are quieter,

2:38:37>> which is going to be quieter. Stop it.

2:38:40Will you have events in the evening,

2:38:43weddings,

2:38:44>> I assume? So, yeah. But, you know, we're

2:38:46we're with the town bylaw, which I think

2:38:48has got a 10:00 cut off.

2:38:51>> But I also wanted to mention because I

2:38:53live in Sconet and you know how special

2:38:55that is,

2:38:57>> that people say, "Oh, I'd much rather

2:38:59have parking than tennis courts."

2:39:02Because when you have the tennis courts,

2:39:04you've got the,

2:39:06>> you know, the constant thacking and the,

2:39:09you know, how much people love um pedal

2:39:12and pickle and

2:39:14>> they love pickle ball.

2:39:14>> They do love pickle ball. They really

2:39:17really

2:39:17>> pickle ball louder than tennis.

2:39:20>> Oh my god. Yeah, you have no idea.

2:39:22>> I know. We just know this conversation

2:39:24around the corner is my point.

2:39:26>> Where have you been? Anyway, so we did

2:39:29make kind of a conscious effort to try

2:39:32to put the less noisy things along this

2:39:35NSH center uh boundary. So, we'll look

2:39:38at this and we'll come back to you with

2:39:40some ideas between now and the next

2:39:42meeting. We've got some time,

2:39:43>> Mr. Chair to Sarah.

2:39:44>> Yes.

2:39:45>> Were you saying you're going to add like

2:39:46a 10-ft green buffer and then the fence

2:39:48to close to the parking?

2:39:49>> No. No. I'm saying we're going to do the

2:39:5110-ft buffer, but I don't suppose

2:39:54there's anything that would prevent us

2:39:56from putting the fence at 5T.

2:40:00>> Okay, that's my point.

2:40:01>> So then they'd get like 5 ft of land

2:40:04that wasn't there.

2:40:05>> That was my point. That's right.

2:40:08>> I don't know. I mean, I have no

2:40:09authority to say such a thing. So,

2:40:11>> no, but I mean, if that's that is truly

2:40:13what's going to happen, you're creating

2:40:14your green space. Not that they would

2:40:16get more yard expansion, but then

2:40:18there's that buffer. Then you have the

2:40:20fencing,

2:40:21>> right?

2:40:21>> And you would have more green space. I

2:40:23think that would be advantageous. The

2:40:24fact that you're willing to listen and

2:40:26work with the abut

2:40:27>> 100%.

2:40:29We're like very sympathetic to and I'm

2:40:31hoping and also I just want to say the

2:40:33lights. We're not talking about lights

2:40:36upon stions bearing down like you're in

2:40:39the stop and shop parking lot. We're

2:40:41talking about, you know, lowlevel.

2:40:44>> Well, looking at the plan, that wouldn't

2:40:46even work with, right? It wouldn't fit

2:40:48in. You guys are Everything's very low.

2:40:50>> Everything's going to be low. So, I'm

2:40:52And it's not

2:40:54ideally not going to be on all day and

2:40:57glaring at anybody. So, we'll we'll look

2:40:59at all of that. We'll come back at the

2:41:01next meeting with some further detail.

2:41:03>> And if you look at the lighting plans,

2:41:04they're all low that America's provided

2:41:07all low landscape lighting. You know,

2:41:10more at your feet, not up in the sky or

2:41:13above your head, so to speak.

2:41:14>> Well, can I ask a question?

2:41:16>> Of course. Um, but is there lighting?

2:41:17There's lighting on the um courts

2:41:20though, right? Like or did I see that

2:41:22there's nights for But those are pushed

2:41:24to the other side.

2:41:24>> Those are on the other side.

2:41:26>> Yeah. Which I don't think that, you

2:41:27know, if you shifted stuff around.

2:41:29>> I definitely don't think they'd want to

2:41:31shift those courts anywhere close

2:41:32because those lights would bug the

2:41:35neighbor,

2:41:35>> right? Yes.

2:41:36>> Yeah. That would that would be bad.

2:41:38>> Dark sky.

2:41:38>> Yeah.

2:41:39>> And and we it's early yet, but we'll

2:41:42talk about hours of operation and all

2:41:44that. What about that stuff at

2:41:46>> right

2:41:46>> at another

2:41:48>> right? Okay,

2:41:51>> you got something.

2:41:51>> Liza,

2:41:54>> Mr. Chairman, can I say one more thing?

2:41:55Mike Mike's still on. I just texted him

2:41:58something that I thought of um from the

2:42:01past that might make things a little

2:42:05better feeling. So, Mike, we had a plan

2:42:08to bring the bike path to Young's way

2:42:12that I do know. Is there any thoughts

2:42:16and do we have the layout, which I think

2:42:18we do, to to eventually bring the bike

2:42:22path to

2:42:24um Love Lane?

2:42:27I mean, obviously, you know, be great to

2:42:29bring it all the way to the airport, but

2:42:31I'm just trying to think about

2:42:32>> the other side

2:42:33>> on the other side of the road. That's

2:42:34I'm sorry. I didn't mean show. I assumed

2:42:36you knew that's what I meant. But

2:42:38anyway, sorry. So,

2:42:41creating a corridor effect. That's what

2:42:43that those islands that that Joe was

2:42:46talking about earlier. NHS shop I mean

2:42:48that um Richmond paid for and all that

2:42:51to create that sort of slow down more

2:42:54organized. when I go down there now and

2:42:57pull in or somebody's pulling out of um

2:43:01UPS thing or whatever, it's much easier

2:43:04to sort of navigate because you don't

2:43:07you only have one conflict that's

2:43:10happening. And when the vehicle's on the

2:43:12other side waiting while the other

2:43:14vehicles are passing, it's just

2:43:17there's less of the whole Nantucket

2:43:19flicking your lights and all that stuff.

2:43:21You know what I mean? It kind of works

2:43:23almost like you're in the real world.

2:43:25Not quite, but almost. Although Hyas is

2:43:27gonna be a mess when they go two-way.

2:43:29But anyway, Mike, so do you is there

2:43:32like old plans for that? I mean, is that

2:43:35something that's going to continue by

2:43:36itself

2:43:38or what?

2:43:39>> Unless he's you still there? He is

2:43:41there.

2:43:42>> Yeah, m Mr. Chair, there there is a plan

2:43:44to have a a a side path on the south

2:43:47side of Old South Road the the whole

2:43:49length all the way up to Lover's Lane.

2:43:51That was the original concept to and

2:43:52that would to marry into the the side

2:43:54path that's uh going across the original

2:43:55property. Um

2:43:58uh obviously if this project gets built

2:44:00that would accelerate the the demand for

2:44:01for a project like that but right now

2:44:03it's kind of a lower priority. I think

2:44:05you had conditioned a side path as part

2:44:07of a previous project uh um or or

2:44:10another project uh closer to Ameilia

2:44:12Drive and

2:44:14>> um I forget the name of the road. Um,

2:44:16>> no, I know you're right.

2:44:18>> But but peace meal thing in the next

2:44:20one.

2:44:21>> Thank you. Rupert's way.

2:44:22>> Yeah.

2:44:22>> Uh, so eventually, yeah, that's probably

2:44:26a good idea to have a bike path on both

2:44:28sides of the road to address demand. Um,

2:44:30I don't know if I followed the uh the

2:44:32landscape median islands uh that was uh

2:44:35that Richmond had paid for. I want to

2:44:37say that that you brought that up to say

2:44:39that that would help facilitate

2:44:40left-hand turning movements and allow

2:44:42like a two a twopoint left-hand turn to

2:44:44pull out into the middle of the road,

2:44:46wait for another queue, and then

2:44:47continue on. That's a way of increasing

2:44:49capacity. Um, I think the problem with

2:44:51the what I had pointed out is the main

2:44:53driveway for this property and the main

2:44:55driveway for like Island Variety and the

2:44:57other uses. I think doing that two-point

2:44:59lefthand turn lane, if you're doing it

2:45:01from two driveways, they're coming at

2:45:03each other. it just creates all kinds of

2:45:05unsafe conflicts and confusion um to

2:45:08where

2:45:09you know I think you just increase risk

2:45:11there and yes there is the the flashing

2:45:13of the lights to let people out but you

2:45:15hate to flash your lights and then have

2:45:17both driveways enter Old South Road both

2:45:19taking left-hand turning movements and

2:45:21then you have a collision so I think

2:45:24that's the fear that we're trying to

2:45:26avoid

2:45:27>> well that could be part of this whole

2:45:28coordinated review process Mike I mean

2:45:32this is going to be a work in progress.

2:45:33But I just wanted to bring that bike

2:45:34path thing up to kind of, you know,

2:45:37nobody's thinking about that and and we

2:45:39need to have a bike path on both sides

2:45:43of that road. I mean, we need to both we

2:45:45need one on fair grounds, too, really to

2:45:47be honest. But I'm just saying I just

2:45:49wanted to bring that up to kind of just

2:45:52add that to the list. It also highlights

2:45:54the need to have interconnectivity

2:45:57between those lots that we're already

2:46:00working on where the UPS store is and

2:46:02Jibo's lots and the gym and have that

2:46:05interconnect and have access to lovers

2:46:07lane. People don't have to come out

2:46:10>> on Old South. I think they all went on

2:46:12to

2:46:13>> lane.

2:46:15Yeah, that just really highlights our

2:46:17need to to really make that happen. We

2:46:19have an opportunity. So, um,

2:46:23>> it's me again. Hi. Yeah,

2:46:26>> I just had a quick thought and yes, I

2:46:28like the that idea. I know you guys have

2:46:31been talking with the different land

2:46:33owners and they're trying to get a more

2:46:36coordinated uh flow over in the area

2:46:39you're just talking about. Um, so with

2:46:43the tennis court pickle ball thing that

2:46:45came up, I believe the land bank has the

2:46:48land to the west of this property.

2:46:53And in that, at least in the further

2:46:57section in there somewhere, is the

2:47:01maze. That's a meditative maze that's in

2:47:04there

2:47:04>> to the north of the property. Yeah.

2:47:06Well, if NSHOP is to the east, then it's

2:47:10to the west. The labyrinth.

2:47:11>> The labyrinth. Okay. Um, and so I was

2:47:14just thinking about maybe some extra

2:47:16buffering or working with the land bank

2:47:18to get some extra buffering in there

2:47:21just for that area. I mean, the

2:47:23playground is what it is. And

2:47:26>> just a thought.

2:47:26>> The community gardens in there as well.

2:47:28Yeah. So, that's that's offers some some

2:47:31buffer. And then and then maybe I I

2:47:36think that's that corners back where

2:47:38they're planning for the barn. So yeah,

2:47:41I think

2:47:42>> it's hard to see on on there because

2:47:44it's not actually included. I just know

2:47:46that it is a meditative space that was

2:47:49created there. And

2:47:51>> there's a ton and and I don't say you're

2:47:53wrong about wanting buffer, but if you

2:47:54look at overheads of the of the

2:47:56labyrinth, it there's a lot of existing

2:47:59buffer there already.

2:48:00>> Right. All around it. Yeah.

2:48:02>> Yeah.

2:48:02>> Yeah. Okay. Thanks.

2:48:04>> Yeah.

2:48:06All right. Anyone online?

2:48:09>> No more hands. All right.

2:48:10>> All right. So, we are going to look to

2:48:12continue this.

2:48:13>> Can you before you do just quickly

2:48:15authorize staff to um work with the

2:48:18traffic consultant for the peer review

2:48:20and continue to work with the applicant

2:48:22on that?

2:48:22>> Need to build on that

2:48:23>> if you don't mind. Okay. So we can get

2:48:25>> So I'd entertain a motion to authorize

2:48:28staff to work with the applicant for

2:48:31peer traffic review.

2:48:33>> So moved.

2:48:34>> Second. All right. Motion made by

2:48:37>> Liza. Your name.

2:48:41>> I.

2:48:42>> I'm Dave.

2:48:44>> Seconded by Joe. Liza.

2:48:47>> I.

2:48:48>> Joe.

2:48:48>> Hi.

2:48:50>> Nathaniel.

2:48:51>> Hi.

2:48:51>> Brian.

2:48:52>> I. And I'm an I as well.

2:48:56>> Okay. So, we need a motion to continue

2:48:59this to

2:49:00>> not that we know

2:49:01>> our next meeting or whenever you guys

2:49:03are ready.

2:49:04>> Go to November November 16.

2:49:06>> November 16th, 2026.

2:49:08>> Motion.

2:49:09>> Motion to continue.

2:49:10>> Second.

2:49:11>> Motion. I'm going to give that one to to

2:49:14Brian. That's the same, right?

2:49:16>> Give to Bri. Motion made by Brian,

2:49:18seconded by Joe. Brian.

2:49:21>> I.

2:49:22>> Joe. I Liza

2:49:24>> I

2:49:25>> Natt

2:49:25>> I

2:49:26>> and I'm an I as well.

2:49:28>> Thank you so much for all of your time

2:49:30while you're back. Thank you.

2:49:34>> Um all righty.

2:49:39>> Okay.

2:49:41>> We are on to

2:49:43overview of potential warrant articles

2:49:45for 2027 annual town meeting.

2:49:50When is the when is the deadline for for

2:49:53board articles?

2:49:55>> Well, technically up until the warrant,

2:49:57but

2:49:58>> but you know what I

2:49:59>> Well, I'm going to the select board

2:50:01Wednesday night to go over our

2:50:02preliminary list.

2:50:03>> Okay.

2:50:04>> Um, we need to have them pretty well

2:50:06drafted

2:50:08before Christmas, so like sometime like

2:50:11mid December

2:50:13>> in a pretty

2:50:15decent rough draft form. Um because we

2:50:19have to start advertising right after

2:50:21the new year.

2:50:22>> Yeah.

2:50:23>> List you can put up.

2:50:24>> Yeah.

2:50:25>> Yeah.

2:50:25>> We do have a list.

2:50:27>> I I have a quick question on them.

2:50:30>> Okay.

2:50:33>> And we've gone over this list the past I

2:50:35think two or three meetings. So unless

2:50:38there's something that someone really

2:50:40wants to talk about. Um, I know Megan

2:50:43wanted to talk about the formula

2:50:45business and to confirm that you all

2:50:48will

2:50:50u put something forward on that. She met

2:50:52with the shopkeepers um when I was off

2:50:54island and uh they want to know if they

2:50:58need to put in a citizen petition or

2:50:59not. And then I forgot what the other

2:51:01one is, Megan. Something with the

2:51:03yearround

2:51:03>> is the intersection of accessory

2:51:06dwelling units and seasonal communities.

2:51:09So, I've been speaking with Housing

2:51:11Nantucket um and they would like to

2:51:14separate the ownership of the protected

2:51:16use ADU and condo format so long as

2:51:19we're able to restrict that to a

2:51:21year-round household. So, um there is

2:51:24pending regulation changes that allow

2:51:27that to happen when there's municipal

2:51:28funding involved. So the um the article

2:51:32would be crafted in a way that it would

2:51:34have to be compliant with those

2:51:37regulations and be eligible for a

2:51:39yearround restriction.

2:51:40>> Funding that can't just be a municipal

2:51:42held deed restriction.

2:51:43>> So it would be the municipal held deed

2:51:45restriction. They don't at this point um

2:51:48you know with the draft that was

2:51:50released we don't have the final regs

2:51:52yet and we won't until at least

2:51:54December. Um they don't specify what is

2:51:58municipal funding. Is that a thousand

2:52:00grant or is that a municipally funded

2:52:04project in its entirety? It's a little

2:52:06vague. So, I think it would be important

2:52:09um I guess both if you were to weigh in

2:52:12on a citizen article or if you were to

2:52:14sponsor it yourself that it it would

2:52:16need to comply with allowing a

2:52:18year-round deed restriction pursuant to

2:52:20I think it's CMR 76171,

2:52:24but this the ad use regulations.

2:52:27I guess just it's whatever the board

2:52:30thinks personally,

2:52:31>> but those two things um specifically

2:52:33added this concept list. I've been

2:52:35working with um community members and I

2:52:38just think it's important that the board

2:52:39specify whether they're willing to take

2:52:41that on as a board sponsored article or

2:52:43if it should go to a citizen sponsored.

2:52:45We don't want them to miss the deadline

2:52:46if they have to go the citizen route.

2:52:49>> So I guess

2:52:51my question to the board is does the

2:52:53board first support

2:52:56um an update to the formula business

2:52:59um bylaw that would that would tighten

2:53:03it up. It would it would possibly be

2:53:07three doors or more would be considered

2:53:09a formula business. But as well with

2:53:12that is a discussion

2:53:15about popups and how

2:53:18>> and how we we tighten that language up

2:53:22around

2:53:24>> basically not allowing

2:53:26And so how does

2:53:27>> and that may be something that we

2:53:29propose through a general bylaw.

2:53:31>> Yeah.

2:53:31>> Not through zoning.

2:53:32>> Yes. Something with teeth.

2:53:34>> Yeah.

2:53:34>> It'll likely be a hybrid an update to

2:53:36the existing and maybe

2:53:37>> Yes. So how does the board feel about

2:53:39that?

2:53:42>> So

2:53:42>> I mean I think

2:53:44>> nice tightening up the formula.

2:53:46>> Oh absolut. Okay. Okay. Absolutely.

2:53:49>> How do you feel about it?

2:53:50>> I think I mean Okay. So I

2:53:55Oh, God.

2:53:58Okay. The CVS thing back in the day. I

2:54:00mean, your mic's got

2:54:02>> I It's on. People don't remember all

2:54:04this,

2:54:06>> Megan. Okay. Like, this is an old issue

2:54:11>> and all of a sudden we got to start

2:54:13talking about this like we're just

2:54:15whipping it up and putting it together

2:54:17like a brand new recipe. And it's not.

2:54:21It's updating.

2:54:22>> I know. But but it but some of it like

2:54:26there are there are things I mean we we

2:54:28always thought it was going to be a like

2:54:30like CVS like McDonald's like a you know

2:54:33a real a real business that's off island

2:54:35that you know we know is a whatever we

2:54:38want to call it formula business or

2:54:40whatever.

2:54:41>> But there I think things change a lot

2:54:44here. Like I don't know what the right

2:54:46way to do it is that doesn't affect

2:54:48stuff that we don't want to be affected.

2:54:51That's all I'm concerned about.

2:54:52>> You think it is and

2:54:55is that is that and you you've

2:54:59definitely been here long enough where

2:55:00all of a sudden overnight Main Street

2:55:03lost its character. It went from mom and

2:55:06pop shops

2:55:07>> all the way down the street

2:55:08>> value

2:55:09>> to Well, no. And exact. I I understand

2:55:12that. But it went from mom and pop shops

2:55:14from the top of Main Street to the

2:55:15bottom of Main Street to banks, real

2:55:18estate offices,

2:55:20art galleries, kind of not shoppable.

2:55:23And I think that this is an opportunity

2:55:27to make sure it doesn't go any farther

2:55:29and that that that Main Street is is is

2:55:35Nantucket, our home and and those are

2:55:37the people that occupy the shops there.

2:55:39Can we get rid of the mopeds pocket? Do

2:55:42this.

2:55:42>> Well, going back to the history, and I

2:55:44don't have this hand to you. This is

2:55:45just my recollection that the formula

2:55:49business bylaw that was originally

2:55:50proposed in 2006

2:55:52actually had a higher number of the

2:55:57threshold. I think it was 12

2:55:59>> and now it's been dialed back to 10.

2:56:02>> But, you know, then as Nat says, I think

2:56:04we were thinking about like a McDonald's

2:56:06or CVS or whatever. And what we've seen

2:56:08is a very different type of business.

2:56:10Yeah.

2:56:11>> Come along that's competing with our

2:56:12local business owners. I think we've,

2:56:15you know, heard from a lot of them that,

2:56:18you know, they are being adversely

2:56:20affected and um there's still a lot of

2:56:24downtown storefront that could be, you

2:56:26know, rented out to formula businesses.

2:56:29So, you know, while it may have been

2:56:31good to look at this sooner, I I think

2:56:34putting it off is not a good idea at

2:56:35all.

2:56:36I don't think we should put it off. I

2:56:38just think that

2:56:39>> we've got plenty of pre-existing.

2:56:42>> Yeah. And I think the other thing that,

2:56:43you know, back in the day, to your

2:56:45point, Dave,

2:56:47like Sammy had Levis's, right? So, you

2:56:49know, Na'vi shop didn't no one else had

2:56:51it on the island, right? There's a lot

2:56:52of that. So, what I think what's

2:56:54happening now is the the popups are

2:56:57bringing down

2:56:59someone that's, you know, that has a

2:57:01Levi store, so to speak, you know, and

2:57:03comes in and then that's kind of getting

2:57:05diluted. That's I think the problem as

2:57:07well. I think that these people are

2:57:08paying extremely high rents and the

2:57:10margins are really tight. They got to

2:57:12make a living in 12 weeks to have

2:57:14something that's kind of diluted and and

2:57:16pulled away from that. I always thought

2:57:18that it should be if you if you're going

2:57:21to have it like a trunk show or

2:57:22something where it's it's an artist

2:57:24that's trying to get a foothold and find

2:57:27to get established and find to be

2:57:29>> that's on Cambridge Street on Sunday.

2:57:30>> But but

2:57:31>> but I think that's but that's not the

2:57:33business. I know Trump shows there's I

2:57:35think there's a difference there is a

2:57:37>> Trump shows are typically in my mind is

2:57:41is a vendor that is that is already

2:57:44doing business with a store comes into

2:57:45the store and has has more of their

2:57:47merchandise comes in represented. It's a

2:57:49trunk show. A popup is a completely

2:57:52different animal.

2:57:52>> It's brand new. Nobody ever heard of it.

2:57:54>> I don't know if it's brand new but it's

2:57:56I don't think it in my opinion it's not

2:57:58us.

2:57:59>> It's a transient retail use.

2:58:01>> Yes.

2:58:01>> Correct.

2:58:01>> Yes. I just feel like I love it when

2:58:03Megan think it's so hard to open a

2:58:06business here and follow all of the

2:58:08protocols that it's kind of unfair to

2:58:10the people who are like busting

2:58:12everything trying to make a livelihood

2:58:15here and then somebody can come in for

2:58:17three days and doesn't have to follow

2:58:19any or like get any permitting or

2:58:21anything. You know, it's

2:58:22>> Yeah. But I I mean from my experience

2:58:24Yeah. You go into New York and you're

2:58:26walking down and they're massive

2:58:28warehouses you're in and they're all

2:58:29kind of sectioned up. Yeah. as you're

2:58:31walking along, you're like, "Wow, that's

2:58:32beautiful." Oh, Tipsy is this or so and

2:58:34so is this. Like, right there. You

2:58:36quickly establish, oh, okay, that's off

2:58:39limit. And I feel like a lot of the

2:58:41stuff that's going on is a form of

2:58:43business to like quickly bring something

2:58:45down, make a lot of cash, and then

2:58:47they're gone. And I think that that's

2:58:48kind of the problem where you do have

2:58:51that storefront, you do have that

2:58:52overhead, and you are trying to do it.

2:58:54But when that local nonwritten rule is

2:58:58broken, that's where I think the

2:59:00problems really come in. I think that

2:59:01that's a really hard thing for someone

2:59:04that's trying to have a successful

2:59:06business. You know, I mean, right now

2:59:09I'm hearing that uh leases of N like one

2:59:12year and that's

2:59:14>> troubling.

2:59:15>> That's troubling because that is a lot

2:59:16of you have an off year or

2:59:19>> have to do the build out. Yeah, it's

2:59:21Yeah, it's extremely hard on someone to

2:59:24>> So, I'm hearing that the board will

2:59:26>> I think it's an opportunity for us

2:59:29>> as a board to support local business.

2:59:33>> Yes.

2:59:34>> Excellent.

2:59:35>> Sorry, is Brian's hand up?

2:59:37>> Brian's hand is up.

2:59:38>> Bri Brian, I'm sorry. I couldn't see.

2:59:41>> No sweat. I I I do know that uh the

2:59:44whole popup thing has traditionally been

2:59:46happening for a long time. Like when I

2:59:48worked at the boarding house in 2002,

2:59:51we had popups from New York all the time

2:59:53in there, like almost every Saturday and

2:59:55Sunday. And I do know that some of the

2:59:58business owners don't hate them either.

3:00:01And I had a discussion with Amy Baxter

3:00:03last weekend. Um, and she thinks it's

3:00:06going to be more like a zoning thing

3:00:08than like a planning

3:00:11like issue. Like I don't think you can

3:00:13regulate what people are allowed to sell

3:00:15in their in their building. Like if I

3:00:18rent like it would be like someone

3:00:20telling me that I can't go blue fishing

3:00:22from my charter boat, but I can go

3:00:24stripe bass fishing cuz someone else

3:00:26bluefishes on the island. You know, I

3:00:28don't I don't think you can regulate it

3:00:30that way. You can regulate alcohol and

3:00:32you can regulate occupancy and you can

3:00:35regulate hours, but I don't think you

3:00:36can regulate what people actually sell

3:00:39in the shop that they've rented. I think

3:00:42we can regulate what they do outside of

3:00:46their businesses on in the outside. On

3:00:49the inside, probably not, but we can

3:00:52force them to get a transient vendor

3:00:55permit to do so. And we can

3:00:59make those expensive.

3:01:02>> Yes.

3:01:02>> Yeah. I feel like the biggest thing is

3:01:05that local shop owners have to jump

3:01:08through so many hoops to get things done

3:01:10that it's like it would be to our

3:01:12benefit to do something some kind of

3:01:14transient permit

3:01:16>> and come up with some kind of regulation

3:01:18like it doesn't have to be like a

3:01:19complete moratorum but it's like I'll

3:01:22just be interested to see like what

3:01:23language we would put forward and

3:01:26discuss it

3:01:26>> and I don't think we'll get it perfect

3:01:28but I think we can close some of the

3:01:29windows I think would really help

3:01:30>> well and I think that's what the

3:01:32intersection of the general bylaw, not

3:01:34to belaborless, um the general bylaw and

3:01:36the zoning bylaw is right. When you have

3:01:38a transient retail use that is in

3:01:42violation of the formula business bylaw,

3:01:45you know, the way zoning enforcement

3:01:47works is you can't enforce based on an

3:01:50invitation you see in the mail. You have

3:01:51to wait until the infraction actually

3:01:53occurs. And even so, the building

3:01:56commissioner cannot show up to the site

3:01:58and demand it be shut down. you have to

3:02:01send a notice to the property owner.

3:02:03They have 30 days to respond and by the

3:02:06time that happens, this infra has

3:02:09cleared itself up. So there in lies the

3:02:11problem. So if there was some sort of

3:02:13licensing permit avenue that

3:02:17>> checked to make sure that they weren't

3:02:20in violation of the formula business

3:02:23bylaw, you know, perhaps that could be a

3:02:25mechanism, but in the general by Yeah.

3:02:27And I mean, listen,

3:02:29I hope all of you have read this. I

3:02:31mean, I think in in the introduction,

3:02:33it's like we need to start taking care

3:02:36of our own. And I think that this is

3:02:39part of it.

3:02:40>> Um,

3:02:41>> and no offense to to people that that

3:02:44are seasonal here. We value you and love

3:02:47you, but

3:02:48>> just

3:02:49>> we need to we need to take care of our

3:02:50own. So it sounds like the board Brian

3:02:53maybe not but maybe he'll come along but

3:02:55but the majority of the board I think is

3:02:58in favor

3:02:59>> just listen I'm glad that Brian's kind

3:03:01of seen a different opinion bring up

3:03:03different points out

3:03:06>> Michael used to always say

3:03:08>> hand up I'm going to make no okay Brian

3:03:10do you want to weigh in any more on this

3:03:13>> um nope I I mean I said what I had to

3:03:15say I mean I just I think that

3:03:18>> the end of the discussion

3:03:19>> yeah I mean I just think I think that

3:03:21the main question was are we gonna

3:03:23sponsor it or is this going to be a

3:03:24citizens article?

3:03:26>> Yeah.

3:03:26>> And I think it's gonna be have more

3:03:28teeth coming from like Tess and Cara and

3:03:32like all the and Lisa and all those

3:03:34business owners downtown that have like

3:03:38>> their individual concerns grouped into

3:03:41one concern as a as a business unit than

3:03:43than having us do it as like a

3:03:45regulatory board. I believe

3:03:47>> I don't think you're you might I think

3:03:50that that's a discussion to have with

3:03:52them,

3:03:52>> right?

3:03:52>> To be honest, I because I think that's a

3:03:54really good point.

3:03:55>> I thought they also found language from

3:03:56another community.

3:03:59>> That's that's something I heard.

3:04:01>> So, at the staff level, I have been

3:04:03communicating with that group and I'll

3:04:05continue to do so. I think um one

3:04:09benefit they see it being a planning

3:04:12board sponsored article is it it extends

3:04:14their timeline a little bit. So they

3:04:15won't have to have everything um fully

3:04:18submitted by the November I think what

3:04:21is it?

3:04:21>> I think it's the 17th deadline.

3:04:23>> Even if it's um

3:04:24>> plus the state's not wanting to see

3:04:26citizens articles

3:04:27>> and even if it's uh even if it's ours

3:04:29they're the ones that are going to stand

3:04:30up a town meeting floor and fight like

3:04:32hell for it. So yeah.

3:04:34>> Okay. So we've agreed on that.

3:04:35>> Four to five agree to sponsor. The

3:04:37second thing is the ownership of ADU

3:04:40separating the ownership if there's a

3:04:42year round restriction on it. Do you

3:04:45support that?

3:04:46>> I have to that puts us back.

3:04:47>> How does everyone feel about that?

3:04:48>> Yeah, I think that's a no-brainer.

3:04:50>> Okay,

3:04:50>> Brian,

3:04:52>> it's it's

3:04:53>> nobrainer.

3:04:54>> No brainer. Okay, great.

3:04:56>> The only thing I have there I do have

3:04:58some clients that do use their secondary

3:05:01dwelling for their family only. So, I'm

3:05:04just saying

3:05:05>> this is a but separating the voters,

3:05:07>> right? But I know I'm just

3:05:09>> You're talking about the ability to do

3:05:10it.

3:05:11>> Is there like a special permit? So, say

3:05:13someone it's for my family or it's for

3:05:15my mother-in-law because I've I've done

3:05:17that as well where it if there's a way

3:05:20that the year round can be proved that

3:05:24it's for family not

3:05:25>> Oh, we're not I don't think we're there.

3:05:27That's not what we're talking about.

3:05:28We're talking about separating owners

3:05:31enabling us to enabling people to

3:05:34separate the ownership of their ADU.

3:05:37>> Oh gosh.

3:05:38>> If it's yearround occup

3:05:40if it's restricted in the would be a

3:05:42market

3:05:44>> it wouldn't be a tertiary I mean excuse

3:05:45me it wouldn't be a covenant 850 no

3:05:49>> so this would just be a

3:05:50>> market rate

3:05:51>> a separate form of ownership it would be

3:05:53not fe simple it would be condo form of

3:05:55ownership and it would be subject to a

3:05:56yearround deed restriction that would be

3:05:58monitored

3:05:59>> that will help this whole value issue

3:06:02>> that would help

3:06:03>> okay

3:06:03>> and that would restrict

3:06:05>> short-term rental in them as well

3:06:09>> well we that's a wonder that's a

3:06:10different sub if If it's for this

3:06:12situation, it's automatically

3:06:14restricted. It can't go.

3:06:16>> It has to be year round.

3:06:17>> The year round.

3:06:19>> Okay. Great.

3:06:20>> And did you have a question about

3:06:21>> I do I do have just a little thing to

3:06:23pipe up on. Um when Knobska Way was up

3:06:27with the three lot subdivision. There

3:06:30was some discussion about looking at uh

3:06:34changing the zoning there from R5.

3:06:38And I'm still

3:06:38>> not pen but

3:06:40>> L.

3:06:40>> I'm still looking to see if we can put

3:06:42an L with something there.

3:06:45>> No, we didn't. No, not the five.

3:06:48>> We did that on what you call it, right?

3:06:50Didn't we all

3:06:50>> so that it would be a single dwelling?

3:06:52>> Nobody single family dwelling in an ADU.

3:06:56>> Do you want to go to R5L?

3:06:58>> I'd like to go to R10L, but am I going

3:07:00to get support on that?

3:07:02>> Probably not. So, what I'm trying to get

3:07:05to is limited with the

3:07:08>> with the recognition that that area

3:07:11cannot handle the capacity that it is

3:07:15currently zoned for without some major

3:07:18road redesigns on that.

3:07:22There were two there were two um recent

3:07:25subdivisions. The Tuscana property at

3:07:28the

3:07:29>> end of the culdeac and then um

3:07:33>> and then Julie Fitzgerald. So there were

3:07:35multiple

3:07:37frozen

3:07:38>> along that.

3:07:39>> Yeah, she's she's

3:07:42>> tossed in a zero. Yeah. Right. And we we

3:07:45tried to get restrictions on those um

3:07:48the the three lots um

3:07:51>> Donna L

3:07:53>> for Donna L and we weren't able to do

3:07:56that. And that's why I I I put out the

3:08:00numbers, you know, the number of lots

3:08:03that can go down there, the number of

3:08:05dwelling units when you're allowing

3:08:07three per one, the amount of traffic

3:08:09that's created there, that area and

3:08:11Appleton Road cannot handle the buildout

3:08:15that that's designed for. So, I'm just

3:08:18asking the board whether they would

3:08:21support or put forward something putting

3:08:24an a limited there. Right. So that you

3:08:27would limit it to one family unit and an

3:08:31ADU

3:08:33on on each of those lots. So instead of

3:08:35allowing three per lot, there would be

3:08:38two per lot.

3:08:39>> Let let me have that discussion with

3:08:41staff and we'll read we will come back

3:08:44around next meeting and discuss it.

3:08:45>> Yeah, that's fine. I just reach back out

3:08:47to Campbell beforehand because if she's

3:08:49considering

3:08:50>> submitting a citizen warrant article,

3:08:52that deadline falls right around our

3:08:54next meeting. So we will have a

3:08:56discussion.

3:08:56>> That's why I'm sort of bringing it up.

3:08:58>> We'll get back to you.

3:08:59>> Promise.

3:08:59>> Okay. Super. Thank you. Thanks for all

3:09:02your work, every

3:09:08>> um

3:09:11the storage container thing is a good

3:09:13one. Um I mean, we got to just make

3:09:18that, you know, staff level.

3:09:19>> We're going to make for the most part.

3:09:21>> Well, we're going to suggest that it be

3:09:23made easier.

3:09:24with big governs that would

3:09:26>> that's

3:09:28crazy would be never ending. Um

3:09:35>> so the secondary lot is just some

3:09:37technical cleanups that need to happen

3:09:39and then also looking at a ground cover

3:09:43bonus. So we you guys have got out the

3:09:46calculator and trying to figure that out

3:09:48a little now that we have some really

3:09:50good

3:09:52examples to look at because we never

3:09:55talked about this till, you know, a

3:09:57couple years ago.

3:10:00The primary that what we did at

3:10:03Crestwood

3:10:05is the miracle in Tom Nes with a big lot

3:10:09like that, right?

3:10:11But I call it when you when when a

3:10:13primary lot

3:10:15loses its ground cover

3:10:19because of a church because of a

3:10:20covenant and we're trying to encourage

3:10:22covenants but yet we're stealing the

3:10:24value away from the primary. We're

3:10:27losing that

3:10:29ability that is exists

3:10:31>> and I think that

3:10:32>> have to fix that.

3:10:33>> Talk about a year round.

3:10:35>> Yeah. So, I think the timing with this

3:10:37is actually excellent because if we're

3:10:39going to be introducing the creation of

3:10:42a yearround

3:10:44um

3:10:45>> separate ownership

3:10:46>> separate year round lot creation, you

3:10:49know, now

3:10:50>> adding a bit of an incentive, right, to

3:10:52the covenant program. So, it's it gives

3:10:54property owners a choice. Do you want to

3:10:56go year- rounded or do you want to have

3:10:59a bit of an affordability restriction

3:11:01but maybe some ground cover bonus with

3:11:03it? So it's, you know, it gives choices.

3:11:06>> I I like that.

3:11:07>> I mean, and we have such different

3:11:10ground covers in each zoning district

3:11:11and you get the lot size issue.

3:11:13>> I mean, if you have an oversized lot,

3:11:15you have all that benefit, but that's

3:11:18not everybody, you know.

3:11:20Yeah, I think that's

3:11:21>> I mean you take a look at take a look at

3:11:2417 what did we do down there field on

3:11:27foldure when they did the three that

3:11:30they just took the existing property and

3:11:32made it into primary secondary tertiary

3:11:35>> two covenants what's that look like on

3:11:37paper that would be a good one you know

3:11:40what I mean because lug one versus R40

3:11:43is another roadblock that happens you

3:11:46know what I mean the seven versus the 10

3:11:48you know It's

3:11:50>> causes a huge issue

3:11:51>> and yeah I think it's maybe like the

3:11:53larger zoning districts where you get

3:11:55less ground cover

3:11:57>> that's

3:11:58>> I I don't know that it's a great idea to

3:12:01allow a massive ground cover bonus in

3:12:02like R5 and R10. No, no, I we don't even

3:12:06want them massive. I think that should

3:12:09be able to claim back maybe half of the

3:12:12>> I was thinking like maybe

3:12:15VR R20 and the lugs

3:12:18>> cuz those all have

3:12:19>> VI definitely needs it.

3:12:20>> That's

3:12:21>> R40. Yeah,

3:12:23>> but not the not the more

3:12:26>> not like R10 or R5.

3:12:29Yeah, I'd love to see like what the

3:12:31numbers would look like of like what

3:12:34>> I mean again this is goes back to we're

3:12:36cleaning up what we don't have anything

3:12:38left. We have to work on this. We've

3:12:40already changed zoning. We we didn't we

3:12:43don't need to change zoning anymore.

3:12:44Well, a little here or there, but not

3:12:46like we did.

3:12:47>> This is different.

3:12:48>> The other thing, and I don't have the

3:12:50number handy because I wasn't planning

3:12:51on discussing it tonight. Um, but I

3:12:55recently asked Nathan Porter, the JS

3:12:58coordinator, to give me an updated

3:13:00number on what's the total ground cover.

3:13:04>> I'm gonna guess

3:13:04>> of structures

3:13:06>> and% less than two.

3:13:08>> I think it's around one, but

3:13:10>> it was 1.7 that

3:13:12>> Well, we do, but I don't have it right

3:13:14now.

3:13:14>> Oh, that was almost really small. So I

3:13:19think you know adding a little extra

3:13:21ground cover for the covenant units in

3:13:24certain districts is a good incentive

3:13:27for the creation of the units and it's

3:13:29not going to make a big difference on

3:13:30the overall ground cover.

3:13:32>> We need to jump start that program

3:13:34>> because we're not subdividing anymore.

3:13:36We're not doubling. We're we're just

3:13:38trying to take an existing lot and

3:13:39adding just a little, you know, so that

3:13:42makes it make sense. Plus you got the

3:13:43modular issue too

3:13:45>> with certain size

3:13:47>> building.

3:13:48Um, I have

3:13:49>> What else do we have?

3:13:51>> Um, next. Uh, I mean, are we all set

3:13:54with these?

3:13:55>> Okay.

3:13:56>> Can I just ask like a general question?

3:13:58>> Um, and I'm not trying to stir the pot

3:14:00or anything, but um,

3:14:02>> you've been here a while now. You can

3:14:03stir the pot.

3:14:04>> Oh, you didn't you didn't ask that, did

3:14:06you?

3:14:07>> I love when questions get started with

3:14:09like that. So,

3:14:11>> so um at town meeting we prohibited

3:14:15second dwellings in certain zoning

3:14:17districts

3:14:19>> under the assumption that they can build

3:14:21ADUs.

3:14:21>> Oh yeah, you got to do something about

3:14:23that.

3:14:23>> But we also submitted something to the

3:14:29>> Yes, exactly. about um making the um

3:14:33ADUs year round or have a year round

3:14:36component if you're building one. So my

3:14:38concern or like I'm wondering if your

3:14:40thought process is we restrict ADUs so

3:14:43that they're year round. Um so that if

3:14:45somebody's building them and then we

3:14:46could give second dwellings back to

3:14:48those zoning districts and then that way

3:14:51you don't have you only have an ADU

3:14:54being built if it's for a yearround

3:14:55purpose.

3:14:57>> Um I'm just wondering because there were

3:15:00like

3:15:02>> we can't do that.

3:15:03>> We can't do that. Yeah. um we suggested

3:15:06to EOHLC that we'd love the year around

3:15:09restriction to apply more broadly, but

3:15:11that's not what the regulations state

3:15:13right now. It is just under very spec

3:15:15specific circumstances. So, we won't

3:15:18know exactly how that's going to shake

3:15:20out until the final regs are adopted. Um

3:15:24>> Okay.

3:15:25>> Yes. All right. So, basically, we have

3:15:27to be in a holding pattern with

3:15:29secondary dwellings. Clarity on that.

3:15:32>> Yes. So,

3:15:33>> I I see you guys giving me the look.

3:15:36>> Another article, sorry. Another article

3:15:39that um has been on the concept list is

3:15:42actually requiring a year- round

3:15:45restriction for all newly created second

3:15:48dwellings. So, um that's something that

3:15:51Leslie and I spoke to Dave about in

3:15:55Brookmore. um not necessarily for the

3:15:59board to decide to support or not

3:16:01support at this moment in time, but to

3:16:04maybe recognize that it's time for the

3:16:06community to have that conversation at

3:16:08town meetings.

3:16:09>> That's what it's about really. Not it's

3:16:12about us putting it forward and letting

3:16:13the community have that discussion.

3:16:15>> Okay?

3:16:15>> And even before town meeting, I mean,

3:16:17remember, we're just talking about like

3:16:19super conceptual concepts right now.

3:16:22Like we still have to draft it. You

3:16:23still have to give us input. We still

3:16:25have to be advertised. We still have to

3:16:27have a public hearing.

3:16:28>> A long road.

3:16:29>> The long road between now and town

3:16:31meeting. And some of these ideas like I

3:16:34saw one of you bristle at

3:16:40>> probably me

3:16:41>> than dwelling with a yearround

3:16:43restriction.

3:16:44>> Yeah. Because

3:16:45>> I mean

3:16:47I think we have to put some of these

3:16:49ideas forward.

3:16:50>> Put them forward. This is the

3:16:52conversation in a public meeting that's

3:16:54been noticed.

3:16:54>> Do you just want to be known as the yes

3:16:56board that develops?

3:16:57>> No. Dave Dave Dave we're pretending that

3:17:00this ADU hasn't happened like

3:17:03>> the ADU. So we already had the tertiary

3:17:08when you had a tertiary someone had to

3:17:10live on the property year round. That

3:17:11was all part of it. That's why the

3:17:13summer homes only have two dwellings or

3:17:16you know what we call a dwelling. Then

3:17:19this ADU comes along. We had to to throw

3:17:21away this recipe that everybody has

3:17:23gotten used to for these all these years

3:17:26and all of a sudden now we're talking

3:17:28about something brand new out of the

3:17:30rapper for something that we've already

3:17:32been doing since the early 80s or late

3:17:3570s. I mean, it just doesn't make sense

3:17:36to me. And I don't like the 900 ft

3:17:39thing. That's going to be a problem. We

3:17:41have to fix that. Like the second

3:17:43dwelling has to be bigger because it's

3:17:46the second dwelling. So you can build

3:17:48the ADU as your second dwelling and make

3:17:50it bigger.

3:17:51>> I mean I don't understand that.

3:17:54>> So N So ADU is 900

3:17:57>> 900. It's stuck at 900.

3:17:59>> The second dwelling can get a size

3:18:00waiver through special permit. So you

3:18:02can make there is a mechanism to

3:18:04>> I mean if you have a a house on a lot

3:18:06big house and all of a sudden you want

3:18:09to build a second dwelling I mean you

3:18:11has to be really small. Like that's

3:18:13weird that that that we've created that

3:18:15not we but

3:18:16>> well

3:18:17>> tried to retro

3:18:20>> the community doesn't even understand

3:18:21this. This is we've already we've taken

3:18:24something everyone understood it

3:18:27>> like the eagle leaving at 6:30 and 12:00

3:18:30they already knew how this worked and

3:18:32now we've kind of because of the state

3:18:34we've jumbled it up a little bit and

3:18:36made it more confusing. That's what I'm

3:18:38trying to say.

3:18:39>> I don't want to I don't think we should

3:18:40start over. We do have one hand online.

3:18:44>> Is that Mr. Bordon from the

3:18:45>> No, it is Hillary Rayort's hand.

3:18:49>> Um, if it's a short comment, Hillary,

3:18:52you're welcome. Thank you.

3:18:58>> Hi. Um, good evening. Thank Thanks very

3:19:01much. Yeah, I just wanted to um ask uh

3:19:05something. It's more of a process

3:19:07question. So, a lot of these are really

3:19:09complicated. I think the board is trying

3:19:11to do very bold things and the staff is

3:19:14putting forward bold ideas and um just

3:19:17as a voter it's difficult when um

3:19:21there's a draft concept but so much is

3:19:24in the details and then things just go

3:19:27on the warrant before they really get

3:19:29fleshed out in front of the planning

3:19:30board. So, I would just really be

3:19:34grateful and I know I'm not the only

3:19:35one. If um these there I know public

3:19:39hearing is going to happen on every

3:19:41single article and it will likely happen

3:19:43after the warrant closes, which is fine.

3:19:46But I'd like to see the planning board

3:19:48deliberate on every single article

3:19:51specifically and, you know, decide that

3:19:54it should go on the warrant before the

3:19:55warrant closes. And um I think it would

3:19:59be great if that could happen this year

3:20:00for for all the playing board warrants

3:20:02just because that's the way you get to

3:20:04perfect these things before the warrant

3:20:06closes and there's no option to make any

3:20:08change.

3:20:10>> We will take that under adisement. I

3:20:13don't think it's a terrible idea. It's

3:20:14just the timelines are brutal.

3:20:17>> I mean I mean to to that point that she

3:20:21just made and what we've been talking

3:20:22about the necessity to

3:20:26like

3:20:27like what's coming next from the state

3:20:30as far as other towns are they other

3:20:33people are complaining about what are

3:20:35they complaining about you know what I

3:20:36mean is what we're over here hey what's

3:20:39up you know we already fixed our

3:20:41problems and they've broken them for us

3:20:43so we're trying to put it back together

3:20:45I just

3:20:48I just feel that making a second

3:20:51dwelling have to have year round if they

3:20:55if you only have that's all you that

3:20:57besides your primary, that's not going

3:20:59to apply.

3:20:59>> If it already exists, it's not going to

3:21:00apply.

3:21:01>> If it already exists, it already exists.

3:21:03It doesn't matter. This is new.

3:21:05>> No, I understand this. I I know. I'm I'm

3:21:08I'm

3:21:09>> You started this.

3:21:10>> I know. Well, to Dave's to Dave's point

3:21:13about bringing it to the town and seeing

3:21:16how everybody feels. There are so many

3:21:18complaints about over development. It's

3:21:21kind of like if everyone's against

3:21:24overdevelopment and they think that

3:21:26that's due to second dwellings then

3:21:30like every time

3:21:31>> second dwelling is a matter of driving

3:21:32on the beach second dwelling is a big

3:21:34deal

3:21:35>> every time this community get no I know

3:21:38but I'm just trying to say what gave us

3:21:41so but

3:21:42>> yeah I just think us from putting

3:21:45articles forward

3:21:46>> I think that if you now that we have

3:21:48this yearround we're going call it the

3:21:51year round market covenant. I I don't

3:21:53know how else to word that. What is

3:21:54there another I like this idea. How does

3:21:57this help

3:21:59>> the lady that the two dwellings inside

3:22:02of one house and arrow? What can we do

3:22:04to fix that mess?

3:22:07I know. I'm just saying. But there's a

3:22:09lot of existing things out there that

3:22:11don't work for people to sell and keep

3:22:13and all that kind of stuff. But I but I

3:22:17do think there's a lot of merit to that

3:22:20if that gives an alternative to the

3:22:22covenant and it still provides a year-

3:22:24round house that has a lower value on

3:22:26its own because you don't really have a

3:22:29lot of land. It's sort of se you don't

3:22:31can't build anything else. That's it.

3:22:33That's that's that's I think that's

3:22:36worth looking at, you know, but I don't

3:22:41know about the the other one, but

3:22:44>> All right. Oh, too early.

3:22:45>> Do we need to do anything about the

3:22:47about the schedule or is that

3:22:49justformational? So, we're

3:22:54>> 20 to 27%.

3:22:55>> Okay, great. So, I would um entertain a

3:22:58motion

3:22:59>> to adjourn.

3:23:02>> Second.

3:23:05>> Motion made by Matt, seconded by Liza

3:23:08Natt.

3:23:09>> Yes. I Mr. Chair.

3:23:11>> Liza. I

3:23:14>> I

3:23:15>> Brian

3:23:16>> I

3:23:18>> and I'm an I as well. Staff, you guys

3:23:21are the best. Thank you so much.

3:23:25>> Thank you, Mr. Chair.

3:23:27>> I think we did I think we did well

3:23:28tonight.