2026-09-28 - Select Board (Licensing & Petitions)

00:00if they're coming on.

00:02>> Jill and I are here.

00:03Yes, okay, I see that now. Thank you.

00:18Well, I'll go ahead and call the

00:20September 28th

00:24I will go ahead and call the Select

00:25Board September 28th Licensing meeting

00:29to order at 11:00 a.m.

00:32Currently, there are three board members

00:34present. Let me just make sure everyone

00:35can hear me. Brooke Moore?

00:38>> Yep, I'm here.

00:39>> Jill Veith?

00:40>> Here.

00:41>> Okay, and then if anyone else comes on,

00:43we'll note that at that point. I'm

00:46sure that Bobby won't be here, but we

00:47might have Matt.

00:49>> He said that he is joining, so he should

00:51be on.

00:52>> Okay, well, the Select This meeting's

00:54being audio and video recorded.

00:57Um,

00:58>> [clears throat]

00:59>> there's no changes to the agenda that

01:00I'm aware of.

01:01>> Yes, there are.

01:03>> Oh, I'm sorry.

01:04>> So, we um

01:08National Grid has asked that you

01:10continue item

01:13uh Roman numeral four, items three and

01:16four regarding Somerset Road to your

01:19November meeting. So, when we get to

01:21those, we'll just need a motion.

01:23>> Okay, three and four.

01:24>> And I will note also that Bobby and Matt

01:27just joined.

01:28>> Oh, okay, great. Um, let me just make

01:30sure that they can both hear me. Um, Bob

01:33DeCosta?

01:34>> Yes.

01:35>> Matt See?

01:37>> Yes, I got you.

01:38>> Okay, great. We have everyone.

01:40All right, um with those two changes

01:43noted, um we'll deal with that when we

01:45get to three and four in terms of

01:46continuing, we will move to Licensing

01:48Departmental Requests. Number one,

01:51request for final action on car rental

01:53medallion allocations continued from

01:56both our July 20th and our August 17th

01:59meetings. Amy?

02:01>> Okay, thank you so much. Um so

02:05as as you mentioned it's a continuing

02:07discussion here

02:09and both

02:11applicants

02:12have

02:13submitted updated business plans as

02:16they're working through this. So a

02:17couple of things

02:19for our recommendation here. So you

02:21know, recommend obviously the usual

02:23review and ask questions of the

02:25applicants on the submitted updates of

02:27their business plans. You know,

02:28highlight any concerns or

02:30recommendations that you have for moving

02:32forward.

02:33But what I do recommend in in one of the

02:35applicants I quoted him here is to allow

02:38the company to continue developing their

02:41business plan and set a deadline as we

02:42mentioned

02:44in the initial meeting of by April 1st

02:46of 2027 to submit the final application

02:50for the agency license.

02:52The comment below which I think

02:54summarized what I agree with is that

02:57they appreciate having some extra time

02:58to organize, finalize details. They're

03:00just about all the way there now. It'd

03:02be helpful for the board to officially

03:04issue the medallions at this point to

03:06the extent they are inclined to do so as

03:08a lot of the steps we have to take on

03:10our side, insurance, investment, asset

03:12planning, etc. require we have the

03:14medallions in hand or confirmed and not

03:17provisionally awarded which is what I

03:18believe we have today. So I think that

03:20summarizes it and I agree with that as

03:23well. These things do take time. This is

03:25kind of a new process and they

03:28have done a lot of work both. I met, you

03:31know,

03:33with Jeff at one point too and had a

03:35long discussion. So it's in the process

03:37and I would appreciate that they do have

03:40that time

03:41to further explore that as well. So I'll

03:45leave it with that and see if the board

03:47has any questions of the applicants.

03:50Okay, um, board members?

03:55>> John, I have a question for Grey Lady

03:57Jeeps.

03:58>> Yes.

03:59>> Um, so, it it looks as though you've

04:02secured parking

04:05for four

04:06uh, four parking spaces at Amelia Drive.

04:09How will you manage parking all of the

04:11rental vehicles and staff parking?

04:14Um, it doesn't uh, feel like enough

04:17spaces if all vehicles were um,

04:21not out

04:23at any given point in time. I'm just

04:25curious about that.

04:28>> Uh, yes, can you hear me?

04:31>> Yes, go ahead.

04:33>> Okay, um, so, um,

04:35there are six available spots there, of

04:39which four of them um, were have

04:42secured. Um, if you look at the

04:45presentation, I just wanted to um,

04:47point out that um,

04:50that I have a proven track record of

04:52like 90% utilization and a lot of loyal

04:55customers, about 130 five-star reviews

04:57with 200 uh, customer base. And I also

05:01was able to chat with the um,

05:04Preston over at the airport and uh,

05:07allow exposure there, which should also

05:09increase the utilization. So, um,

05:12we have like five years of actual data

05:15that

05:16um, shows that the Jeeps are not sitting

05:18idle, that they are um,

05:21rented at a 90% utilization rate. So, we

05:24don't anticipate

05:26having the Jeeps parked there, but just

05:27in case

05:29you know, happens, we do have six spots

05:32that are available.

05:36>> Um,

05:37if [clears throat]

05:39if I may, so, um,

05:41I realize public parking is, you know,

05:44available on the street in a

05:46neighborhood with very limited parking,

05:47so I would be, you know, just concerned

05:49about consuming on-street parking spots.

05:52And then I think Amy's probably got her

05:54hand raised to talk about this situation

05:56with the airport. I'd love to hear more

05:58about that as well if from Amy.

06:00>> Yep. Go ahead, Amy.

06:02>> Great. Thank you.

06:03Um Erica forwarded, I think, to everyone

06:05today the um answer from Preston

06:08uh at the airport. I'll just read that

06:10uh quickly into the record. Um he said a

06:12little background on Grey Lady Jeeps

06:13that they had previously inquired about

06:15advertising at the airport. Um they've

06:17not heard back from them since the

06:18initial discussions. He also mentioned a

06:20potential kiosk location in the

06:22terminal. And what Preston says is if

06:24they decide to pursue the kiosk, that

06:27will likely trigger a procurement

06:28process, so we would not be able to

06:30simply offer space in the terminal

06:32without following the appropriate

06:33procurement requirements, which we've

06:35discussed before.

06:47>> Okay.

06:48>> Don, if I may.

06:49>> Yeah. Go ahead.

06:50>> Um so I think um obviously as we've just

06:54heard that advertising at the airport to

06:57um

06:58you know, increase utilization, fine,

07:01but you know, following up with that and

07:03if that's part of the plan and then um

07:06also they did not include anything about

07:09kiosk in this business plan. So I think

07:11that was probably

07:12left over from when we originally

07:15before we sussed out the kiosk situation

07:17and procurement. So I'm not concerned

07:19about that piece.

07:22>> Um Bobby,

07:23you had your hand up. Are you still

07:25there?

07:25>> Yeah. Yeah, I'm still here. Um my

07:27question is if we give you the

07:29medallions, are you still going to try

07:31to rent on Turo, or you just going to

07:33use the medallions only?

07:36>> So

07:38um can you hear me?

07:38>> I Yep. Go ahead.

07:39>> you.

07:40>> Um so I've already taken all my Jeeps

07:42off Turo and the plan is to just not use

07:45Turo. Just strictly um

07:47like legitimize the existing business.

07:51>> Thank you.

07:53Any follow-up?

07:56Okay, does anybody else have questions

07:57or comments?

07:59>> Uh

08:00>> Brooke?

08:02>> I just I would be interested to know

08:03whether legally whether we could put in

08:07um

08:08the licensure of

08:10uh

08:11what we would need to do for anyone that

08:13has a uh license to run a rental car

08:16agency that they agree not to use um

08:22the right share uh the uh car sharing

08:25apps. Whether we can do that legally,

08:26it's just a question for town council at

08:28some point down the road as we work

08:29through this process.

08:33>> And I would imagine you'd have to amend

08:35chapter 58 in order to do that.

08:39>> I mean, I I would just say on our

08:40behalf, we're happy to just make that

08:42commitment to the board. I'm not sure I

08:44mean, even if you don't have an

08:45enforcement mechanism per se, we're

08:47happy to make that commitment.

08:49>> Likewise. I just wanted to also add that

08:52um

08:52Turo in their agreement, if you do if if

08:56I had these medallions, it would be

08:57against it would be a violation with

08:59Turo to do anything outside. So

09:01um

09:02we're we're totally done with Turo.

09:04>> Okay. Thank you.

09:06Matt and then Bobby.

09:11>> You can Yeah, Bobby, go first. I'll go

09:13second. It's fine.

09:15>> Uh how do you attach

09:18I guess my question is how many vehicles

09:20do you have now that you're going to

09:21rent? And are these medallions attached

09:24to a license plate? How how are we to

09:26know that if we give you four medallions

09:28and you have eight Jeeps that you're not

09:29renting eight Jeeps

09:31even though you only have four

09:32medallions?

09:35>> Uh currently I have four Jeeps and

09:39um, I think it's

09:40according to chapter 58, it's a $300

09:44fine and I'm and I know the

09:46medallions get assigned to the

09:48registration.

09:50So, um, I would just have the four Jeeps

09:53with assigned

09:54registrations assigned to the um,

09:56medallions.

09:58>> Thank you. Matt?

10:00>> Yeah, no,

10:01as you all know, I've been uncomfortable

10:03from the beginning with a lot of this,

10:05you know, adding more and you know, up

10:07up in the This isn't up in the number,

10:09but the idea that we're up in the

10:10number,

10:11uh, I'm you know, I'm uncomfortable all

10:13the way around. So, if we're buying more

10:15time to look at the, uh, business plans

10:19will we also have more clarity on how

10:21we're going to handle, uh,

10:24all the various, you know, the 700

10:26licenses, 140 not used. Are we going to

10:29have clarity on how we're going to move

10:30forward with that?

10:32Because I, you know, I still believe

10:33Turo is illegal. They should not be

10:35doing that here and it's clear in our

10:38chapter 58 is clear to me on that. And

10:42you know, I would like to stay within

10:44the 700 and have some clarity on how

10:46we're going to do that.

10:49>> Okay, Amy.

10:51>> Um, thank you. So,

10:55I've already drafted

10:57a bylaw, yet another bylaw amendment and

11:01including peer-to-peer as a separate

11:03entity, but um, you know, I spoke with

11:06Chief Caswell about it. I still have to

11:07go through legal for some more questions

11:09on this. Um, and I've done a lot of work

11:13on this back and forth and as much as we

11:15think our current bylaw includes it,

11:18depends on which lawyer you talk to and

11:20what phrase that they're focusing on.

11:22So,

11:23technically and on the Hertz situation,

11:26we clearly their attorney had no idea

11:29what we're talking about that 140 are

11:32unused. And the way that that bylaw

11:35reads, it says that they have rights to

11:37it. So, we have to kind of go into what

11:39property rights and what type of you

11:41know, what their attorneys are going to

11:43pull out of that. So, it's a very

11:44complicated, it's not just a I believe

11:46it includes this situation. I do not

11:49want to walk the town into yet another

11:51lawsuit on this, so I'm trying to, you

11:53know, step-by-step

11:56kind of go into this. So, I need more I

11:58I did ask for time to present, but uh we

12:02believe we need to kind of talk to um

12:04our attorneys first about this.

12:08Um

12:11I I understand where you're going there,

12:13but Turo is not necessarily illegal, and

12:18we have to figure out

12:20what these legal terms mean, honestly.

12:23Um when it says non-expiring rights to

12:26the medallions, and it wasn't properly

12:30um the you needed to have you really

12:32should have done some regulations that

12:35regulated this bylaw. So, we're kind of

12:37in a really weird area here. So, I'll

12:40just finish by saying I've drafted all

12:44all these items already, but we just

12:45need to really be careful and got kind

12:47of go down how this works, and if we

12:50amend it

12:52giving time to the current agencies

12:53because they are valuing these

12:55medallions, right? I don't think we can

12:57just remove them.

12:59Uh if that makes sense. I'm trying to

13:01kind of be careful with what I'm saying,

13:02but we are

13:04doing our best to try to figure out

13:06legally

13:07um where this stands because also I

13:10don't believe the state is ready to go

13:12on a vote about peer-to-peer. 28 other

13:15states have separated the definition um

13:19from rental car agencies, but for some

13:21reason Massachusetts has other things on

13:23its mind. So, it's not inevitable that

13:26they're going for a vote. So, we may

13:28have to figure something out here. So,

13:30if I can just ask for Trust me, we're

13:32putting in a lot of time on this.

13:35Um I just want to make sure legally that

13:37we're in a sound position as to how we

13:39move forward. So, it it it's it's coming

13:43if I can just say that. Um

13:47Yeah, it's just complicated.

13:48>> up, Don. My my point is that's great, it

13:49buys us time. I I'd feel more

13:51comfortable if we knew how we were

13:53handling it. I you know, I know I know

13:56what my plain reading of it is. I know

13:58the argument that I think we should be

13:59making. You know, I know other people

14:01will make other arguments, but at some

14:04point, you know, and if there are things

14:06we should fix, we should fix them. But I

14:08think it's a mistake, you know, to open

14:11this up to more cars, you know, all in

14:13the airport in the old self-road area,

14:16an area that's already overwhelmed, and

14:18putting more cars all over the place on

14:20that side of the island after what we

14:23just experienced this past summer. You

14:25know, and when people are talking about,

14:27"Oh, we're going to be rented all the

14:29time." I look and go, "Well, that's not

14:30necessarily a good thing." You know,

14:32we're That's why we did 700 was to avoid

14:36that situation. You know, so I So,

14:39anyway, I just I think that we I want

14:41some I hope we have some clarity on how

14:43we're going to, you know, keep that

14:45you know, sort of that

14:47limitation in place or keep some sort of

14:50limitation in place because you know,

14:52and so anyway, you guys know how I feel.

14:54Thank you.

14:55>> Thanks, Matt. Jill?

14:58>> I just thought that the whole point was

15:00this person who was on Turo is now going

15:02to get medallions, so he's trying to

15:04cooperate with our local bylaw. So, I

15:06don't really understand the complaint

15:08about that.

15:10And if you don't want more traffic,

15:13then it seems like what um

15:17Jeff Smith was doing, he's going to

15:18deliver the cars. And he's he's actually

15:22trying to address that. I I assume

15:24um

15:25Nick will do the same. I I don't I I

15:28guess I just don't really see where

15:29you're going with that. I I understand

15:31your concern about Turo, but this is

15:32actually setting a good path for all the

15:35other

15:36Turo um renters to to become compliant

15:40with what we want, I thought.

15:45>> If if I can answer that, um my my point

15:48is

15:49it doesn't matter whether it's called

15:50Turo or something else. We we as a

15:52community limited the number of rental

15:54cars at 700.

15:56I you know, I want to I would like to

15:58keep that limitation in place. I don't

16:00want a backdoor where we add another

16:03150, 250, 350 cars, compliant or not.

16:07And I don't believe that you know, that

16:10delivering the cars is is making it less

16:13traffic. You know, I almost think it's

16:15making more traffic. You have to drive

16:17there and maybe you take a bike back or

16:19something, but you know, like I I almost

16:21think

16:22that that doesn't answer it in my mind.

16:24It's still double trips to get the car

16:26back picked up and get the car dropped

16:28off. You know, so I I just think that

16:31there's

16:32it's more of volume. We've got a we've

16:35got a math equation

16:37and I don't think adding more to the you

16:39know, to the to the

16:41bucket of you know, the 5-gallon bucket

16:43is going to you know, is going to make

16:45the bucket go down.

16:46It makes the water go up. So, that's you

16:48know, that's So, I'm not necessarily you

16:52know, and if the idea of this was to

16:54say, "Okay, Turo can you know, buy these

16:56140 over time and keep us at 700." If if

17:00we were doing something like that, I'd

17:01be all on board with it. But that's

17:03seemingly not what we're doing. So.

17:09>> Well, it's sort of what we're doing, but

17:11we're just starting with the eight.

17:12Brooke?

17:14>> Yeah, I think the two things are

17:16separate and I'm committed to the

17:18process of reevaluating

17:20the bylaw and making another attempt to

17:26um

17:27figure out what to do with the 140

17:29medallions or give or take that are

17:31unused um and addressing the

17:33peer-to-peer um situation, but I see

17:35that as as um in my mind separate from

17:38this process. So, I would make a motion

17:40to approve the allocation of um

17:44the medallions as um

17:48we have done tentatively to formalize

17:50that.

17:52>> Okay, is there a second?

17:54>> I'll second that.

17:55>> Okay, and Bob on the motion?

17:59>> Uh

18:01No, not on the motion, but I have a

18:04>> Question?

18:05>> Yeah, so

18:07>> I

18:08I I know I'm coming into this new

18:10because I missed the last meeting, but

18:12um

18:12this whole concept of delivering cars to

18:16to customers at the ferries um

18:21we I'd like to discuss that a little

18:23more because

18:25there as someone who spends a lot of

18:27time in Straight Wharf

18:29and the amount of traffic that goes in

18:31and out of Straight Wharf with the High

18:32Line and the amount of double and

18:34sometimes triple parking in the parking

18:36lots and literally cars that are sitting

18:39double parked in that parking lot for

18:40sometimes 20-30 minutes at a time and

18:43sometimes the cars the rental cars that

18:45I've seen delivered there are left with

18:47no one in them and if you're parked in

18:49front of one of those cars, you have to

18:51wait for the person who's coming to pick

18:53up the car or the person who's trying to

18:55find the person who's picked up the car

18:57because he's walked down to the ferry to

18:59find the person. It's if we're going to

19:01be starting to deliver cars and this is

19:03the idea now is we're going to we're

19:06going to emphasize that cars have to be

19:08delivered to boats, we need to come up

19:10with a central location

19:13whether it be the town lot or over by

19:15the NERA station or somewhere else just

19:17like we did with the tour buses where

19:19they can pick up these cars because it's

19:20it's getting out of control and if we're

19:22going to add another 150 medallions to

19:25be picked up for delivery vehicles

19:27they're going to be picked up at the

19:28ferries.

19:30The infrastructure just can't handle

19:32that so

19:34um

19:36that we need to we need to factor this

19:39into this because we're giving out what

19:41eight or 10 medallions here now to two

19:43two companies that have been running

19:45tour businesses. Well, there's probably

19:48another 100 people on the island that

19:49are running tour businesses. So, are we

19:51going to give another 100 medallions

19:53out? I mean, once we open up this

19:56once we open this up it's not going to

19:58stop. There's going to be everyone and

19:59their brother's going to be coming in

20:00asking for for more medallions. I mean,

20:03I

20:04we I I don't know maybe maybe y'all

20:06don't know but I know plenty of people

20:08that have a second vehicle that run it

20:09on tour. Um it's it's just the it's the

20:13way of the world now in Nantucket and

20:15and you know, I I don't know. So, I just

20:18I want to really talk about delivering

20:21vehicles to Straight Wharf in some

20:24aspect cuz this is um

20:27this is just going to compound the

20:28problem even more down there.

20:31>> Jeff Smith.

20:34>> Uh just wanted to address uh for Bobby

20:37um

20:38the only way that I would ever bring a

20:40car down to the wharf would be uh if I

20:42had a dedicated spot. I'm working with

20:44NIR right now. Uh the old tank farm has

20:48a little parking lot in it and uh those

20:51spots are for sale, for rent. So, there

20:54would be a dedicated spot I you know, if

20:57I'm going to bring the car down in July,

21:00I'm not going to

21:01uh take up a spot in the A&P parking lot

21:04because there isn't one and it would be

21:06a waste my time. So, just to let you

21:09know uh we're not going to be double

21:11parking if that

21:13is the case uh and delivery is

21:16delivery happens, which won't happen

21:18every time, there would be a dedicated

21:21rental spot down at the wharf that would

21:23be, you know, our company's.

21:26Um but I wouldn't have it any other way

21:27than that. Thank you.

21:30>> Thank you. Jill, did you still have

21:32something?

21:35>> I was just going to make the point to

21:36Bob. I mean, we can't really enforce

21:38what's going on in that lot anyway. So,

21:40I I hear what you're saying,

21:43but also I want to make the point that

21:44the people on Turo, if we think they're

21:46out of compliance or you all don't like

21:49the business that they have, whether

21:50it's legal or not, don't you want to

21:52legitimize them?

21:54Don't we want to bring them in the fold?

21:57Those are local people who are trying to

21:59have a little business here. I

22:01understand the complaint about Hertz and

22:02they're not using their medallions, and

22:03I guess, like Brooke said, that's a

22:05separate issue, but I just want to

22:07understand as a policy in the board,

22:10I would think we want to encourage the

22:11Turo folks to get a medallion.

22:16>> Erica?

22:19You're muted.

22:20>> Yeah. Sorry, just for the minutes, um

22:23under Compass Point Rentals, there's two

22:25people there, but I'm not sure the names

22:27of who's speaking.

22:29>> Uh Jeff Smith was the one who just

22:31spoke.

22:31>> the other one.

22:33Um the

22:33>> I am Daniel Daniel Walsh.

22:36>> You're Daniel.

22:37>> Daniel Walsh. And then uh with me is

22:39Patrick Tully as well.

22:41>> Thank you.

22:44>> You're welcome.

22:46>> Um

22:49yeah, I mean, on the

22:50on the delivering the cars, I would have

22:52a concern if they were being delivered

22:55and parked,

22:56but if they're being if they're picking

22:59up the customer at the ferry, I don't

23:01see it as a big difference than them

23:04getting a taxi or an Uber from the

23:06ferry.

23:07It seems like it would actually kind of

23:10save a trip if they did a straight pick

23:12up.

23:13>> [gasps]

23:13>> Um, but it is really all about vehicle

23:17trips rather than number of vehicles,

23:20but the right now we're really we're

23:22only talking about eight. So, um, I

23:26would like to move forward with the

23:27motion if no one else has anything.

23:32>> Did anyone second that motion by the

23:33way?

23:34>> Jill Fee, I did.

23:38>> Okay, um, I'm going to go to a vote

23:40then.

23:41Brooke Moore?

23:43>> I.

23:44>> Jill Veith?

23:44>> I.

23:45>> Matt Fee?

23:47>> Uh, I.

23:50>> Bob DeCosta?

23:51>> I.

23:52>> Kate Donahue, I. That carries

23:53unanimously. Five to zero.

23:56>> Okay, and to clarify, um, the motion was

24:00to

24:01um, approve the allocation of the

24:02medallions as previously stated, which

24:04was

24:06um, four for Compass

24:09Point and four

24:10>> Grey Lady.

24:11>> Grey Lady.

24:11>> Correct. Yes.

24:15>> And we will move forward.

24:18Okay, next up we have a request for an

24:20approval of an application for a change

24:22of corporate name for an annual all

24:24alcoholic beverages general on premise

24:26liquor license for Theatre Workshop.

24:29Um, Bethany Oliver, manager.

24:32>> Yes, thank thank you. This is just

24:35purely administrative, um, application.

24:37They're changing, uh, the corporate

24:39name, uh, owner of the license.

24:42Um, no other conditions are changing.

24:44They're changing to Cedar Nantucket Inc.

24:47So, administrative change and if I may,

24:49I'm going to take the moment to

24:51introduce, there she is, Kate Evans, um,

24:55who is now our new compliance officer

24:58who is I am training to be me and better

25:02than me and take over our compliance and

25:05a lot of the administration of this. So,

25:06you'll be seeing her

25:08more and more.

25:10So, we're we're thrilled to have it cuz

25:11with 111 of these guys, it's a lot of

25:14work. So, we appreciate her efforts so

25:16far and uh

25:18and she's going to be great. So, welcome

25:21Kate.

25:22>> [clears throat]

25:23>> Hi all. I'm Kate. Nice to meet you.

25:26>> Um

25:27>> John

25:28>> Yeah.

25:28>> John, I'm I'm actually going to recuse

25:30on this because the theater is a tenant

25:33of the Congregational Church where I'm

25:34an officer.

25:35>> Okay, Brooke. Thanks.

25:37>> Okay.

25:37>> Bobby

25:38>> some simple change there. Go ahead.

25:40>> Are we ready for a motion?

25:42>> Yes, please.

25:43>> Motion to approve.

25:44>> Second.

25:45>> Okay, made by Bobby, seconded by Matt.

25:47All those in favor, Jill Veith.

25:49>> I.

25:50>> Matt Fee.

25:51>> I.

25:51>> Bob DeCosta.

25:52>> I.

25:53>> Don Hill, I. That carries unanimously 4

25:55to 0 with Brooke Mar recused.

25:58Uh next up we have a request for an

26:00approval of a policy for administrative

26:02compliance violations.

26:05>> Thank you.

26:06Um so, Chief Casper and I worked on

26:09this, had discussed it with all the

26:11compliance uh that we've been working on

26:15and now with Kate here. So, this policy

26:17basically is an administrative policy to

26:20discuss administrative violations of

26:22liquor licenses and associated licenses

26:25to be managed by licensing staff without

26:27having to necessarily bring it to the

26:29select board um for a hearing.

26:33Um and just generally it authorizes our

26:35staff to address minor violations by

26:37issuing written compliance warning

26:39warnings, establishing reasonable

26:41correction period. Um

26:44things such as you know, not posting

26:46licenses as they they have to do,

26:48anything that does not present immediate

26:49threat to public health, safety, or

26:51welfare.

26:53Um it doesn't authorize us to resolve

26:55alleged violations using alcohol

26:56service, public safety, unlawful

26:58contact. Those will all be obviously

27:01elevated to the select board. This will

27:04also

27:05um

27:06be reported to you

27:08um at the very least at the annual

27:10renewal period to to show you kind of

27:12that if it tends to be something that's

27:14happening a lot with one licensee, then

27:16of course it will be brought up, but

27:17this is a way for us to manage these

27:19things

27:20uh in an administrative fashion. So, um

27:23we just wanted to put this policy forth

27:25um for that. Do any questions?

27:31Okay.

27:33>> Bobby has his hand raised.

27:36But Don, you're you're muted.

27:39>> Bobby, then Matt.

27:41>> Amy, um

27:43can you

27:44with this policy, would you be able to

27:46give people days off without having to

27:48come to our board?

27:49>> No, not at all. This is more of written

27:52warning type of things. Um you know,

27:55we're doing a lot of compliance checks.

27:56They don't have the staff list. They

27:57don't have the tips, you know, different

27:59things. They don't have the licenses

28:01um posted, but they have them issued.

28:04Nothing, it's administrative things that

28:06they need to be careful of because the

28:07ABCC will come in on those. Um just to

28:10give them, you know, you have a week to

28:11put these posted, things of that sort.

28:13Um we would never do anything that

28:15required a suspension of a license

28:17without the select board. That's purely

28:19your um purview. So, this is

28:22administrative to give us that

28:23opportunity to do that and help them

28:26come up into compliance without having

28:27to do a hearing.

28:30>> Thank you.

28:31>> Matt.

28:32>> Yeah, I think it makes a lot of sense.

28:34I'll move approval if people are ready.

28:37>> Okay. Second.

28:38Okay, made by Matt, seconded by Bob. All

28:41those in favor, Brookmore.

28:43>> I.

28:44>> Jill Deith.

28:45>> I.

28:47>> Matt Fee.

28:48>> I.

28:49>> Bob DeCosta.

28:50>> Aye.

28:51>> Dan Hill, aye. That carries unanimously

28:53five to zero.

28:54Thank you very much.

28:57Licensing and petitions public hearings.

29:00Uh number one, we will open a public

29:02hearing to consider a utility petition

29:05for Verizon.

29:07Um poles nine and 10, 18 to 26 Sparks

29:12Avenue. This has been continued three

29:15times.

29:17Um

29:17>> Madam Chair, if I may. Uh

29:20Robert Bystrowski. I Good morning. Um

29:22Bob Bystrowski, real estate specialist.

29:25Uh what what the board may want to

29:26consider doing is combining this hearing

29:29with number two, which is the

29:32>> really

29:33>> same project area for National Grid. We

29:36this is in the area of the former Downey

29:38Flake. There's a

29:40proposals for some pole removals, and we

29:43recognized early on the impact this

29:44could have not only on that area, but on

29:47our public school fiber optic service.

29:50So, we brought in Mike Alvarez, who's

29:53uh at the hearing today. And we you have

29:56online, select board members, uh

29:59representatives from National Grid, from

30:01Verizon. We also have Comcast, because

30:04they are on the pole as well. Um and you

30:06have some developer representatives. So,

30:08you have everybody

30:10that's important to hear from. There's a

30:12lot of departmental comments. You have

30:14your departments. Many uh several

30:17department heads are here, and Kevin

30:19Manuel, the project manager.

30:21>> Okay. I mean, I think mainly we were

30:24waiting to get a recommendation from you

30:26that this was ready to go pending all of

30:29the

30:31the

30:32complying with all of the comments.

30:34>> Certainly coming into the hearing,

30:37uh

30:38I have not been given assurances

30:39personally uh that everything's ready to

30:42go, but perhaps with the folks at the

30:45hearing today, uh both myself and and

30:48more importantly the select board could

30:50be given those assurances so you feel

30:51comfortable uh voting in support. There

30:54has been a lot of meetings and

30:55discussions behind the scenes. People

30:58have been putting a lot of work into

30:59this, and I know people are very eager

31:00to get this moving, but again, um I'll

31:04defer to Erica who has her hand up if

31:06she has more late-breaking information

31:09than I do.

31:10>> Um Erica. Oh, and just to note, we will

31:12have to take separate votes on these

31:14public hearings even though the

31:15discussion will be mainly on both.

31:19>> You said exactly what I was going to

31:20say. Um I will note one other thing.

31:22There is the town fiber, which is a

31:24question. Um one of my main concerns,

31:28too, was if we are allowing these poles

31:31to be taken down,

31:33um then there needs to be alternative

31:36infrastructure in place, either a

31:39junction box or a transfer, uh tran-

31:42What is it called? A um

31:46>> [gasps]

31:46>> Oh, God. Um

31:50Anyway.

31:50>> Hand hole. Hand hole.

31:52>> Hand holes.

31:53Um or a transformer.

31:58Um and so

31:59my personal biggest concern was as new

32:04sidewalks are being installed down here,

32:07um and it is my understanding

32:10as of today that the sidewalk area in

32:14front of this property all has to be

32:16built by the developer per their um

32:20special permit issued by the planning

32:22board,

32:23um and it needs to be done in

32:24consultation with the town, meaning the

32:27DPW.

32:28Um so it needs to be built to our specs,

32:31especially since we are currently

32:33undergoing design process for a new

32:37multi-use path from Surfside Road down

32:40to the Milestone Rotary. Um

32:43that anything that is now kind of put in

32:46the ground or on the ground

32:49per the removal of these two poles isn't

32:52going to take up space in the sidewalk

32:55and um

32:58impact

33:00people's ability to use it.

33:06>> So, Madam Chair, my my suggestion would

33:08be the best single person perhaps to

33:11kick us off would be Kevin Manuel who

33:13has been coordinating this with all the

33:16stakeholders.

33:17>> Okay, Kevin.

33:18>> Uh

33:19Madam Chair,

33:20my apologies. I'm actually not involved

33:22in this project.

33:23>> Oh, sorry.

33:24>> [laughter]

33:25>> Sorry, Kevin.

33:26All right, Drew Patnode.

33:28>> It it's Drew, Mike, and myself have been

33:31working with the utilities this summer.

33:33Um so, I'll defer to Drew.

33:37>> Hi, Drew.

33:38>> Thank you, Madam Chair. Yeah, I I mean,

33:40I think we have assurances from National

33:42Grid if they have a representative

33:43online to confirm it'd be helpful. I

33:44think we have assurances that the

33:46infrastructure that they need to install

33:49by removing the poles wouldn't impede

33:51the sidewalks.

33:53Um

33:54and not to turn this into a hot potato,

33:55but I think David Gray might be the best

33:57person to talk about it. Um

33:59the only plans I've seen are very

34:01limited in terms of the level of detail

34:04on the plans. And I think we have major

34:06concerns that when they bury these

34:08utilities under the road or under the

34:10sidewalk, they're going to end up being

34:11on top of

34:12or in very close proximity horizontally

34:15to town infrastructure.

34:17Um and so, I think, you know, we we're

34:19going to need a more detailed plan. I

34:21requested one I think last week and I

34:23still have not received one

34:25um

34:25there's just not enough detail on these

34:27plans for us to know that it's not going

34:28to get buried on top of a sewer main um

34:31or or too close to a water main for

34:33example, you know, to that would

34:34preclude the town from doing

34:36um

34:37maintenance or repair in the future.

34:41That's my biggest concern.

34:46>> Uh David and then Bob.

34:49>> Good morning everyone. Yeah, the town

34:50sewer main is under that sidewalk

34:52directly where they trying trying to put

34:54this. So,

34:55that's a a big issue for us as well as

34:59the force main that comes from the fire

35:01station is right near the other pole

35:03that I show on that little plan that's

35:07that's on the screen now.

35:12>> Okay, so what is the answer to this?

35:16>> Can I ask a quick question?

35:18What is the reason for burying the

35:20poles? Because I'm looking as I look

35:23Hold on Chris. As I drive down there and

35:26I see the two poles,

35:27they're not interfering with the

35:29buildings as they're being constructed.

35:31Is it aesthetics?

35:34I mean cuz right now you could connect

35:36power to the building that's been

35:38constructed by just burying off one of

35:40those poles.

35:44>> Uh Chris, do you want to answer that?

35:46>> Yeah, sure. Sure. Sure. So, it's it's a

35:48it's a numerous things here. Those poles

35:50are too it's they're way too close to

35:51the house.

35:53Um and you can see that when you drive

35:55down there right now. The house that's

35:56built already, the one building that's

35:57already built over there. It's just way

35:58too close.

35:59But to to address the the concerns that

36:02have been brought up, of course though

36:04they're not going to be impeding the the

36:05sewer lines. And of course, we're going

36:07to put these in the proper places so

36:09they're not going to impede with any

36:11utilities

36:12with the with the town or or anyone

36:15else. I mean that that's

36:16that goes without saying and I

36:18understand we got to put on the plan

36:19where it's going to be put away, but I

36:20think

36:21and I think the national grid guys and

36:22Verizon guys

36:24that's been addressed. I mean, clearly

36:26we're not going to have the you know,

36:27double double in that up over there, but

36:30you can't put these the the the the the

36:32the poles

36:33but too close to the homes. They're all

36:35one's almost hitting the house. They're

36:37leaning off. They're very old and it's a

36:38mess. And guys, believe me,

36:41it's it's I'm incurring the cost on

36:43this. It's a lot cheaper for me to keep

36:46those poles up.

36:47Way cheaper. It's a lot of money that

36:50I'm I'm incurring to do it, so

36:52I'm doing this for a lot of different

36:54reasons here.

36:55Um

36:56>> So, are you granting easements on your

36:57property for the utilities so that can

36:59go in there so it doesn't impact the

37:01>> Of course. Of course. Of course. Of

37:03course.

37:05Of course.

37:07>> Okay. Um Bob DeCosta.

37:10>> Um so

37:14I guess I have a lot of questions, too,

37:15about exactly where everything's going.

37:17I'd like to see a more detailed plan

37:19because I remember when

37:21the sewer main broke on Is it Beach

37:23Street, David? And the three cables were

37:26right over the top of it. So, you know,

37:28it's all good and well to say it's not

37:30going to impede in there, but there's a

37:31force main that comes across the fire

37:33department there that goes all the way

37:34to Surfside Treatment Plant. There's a

37:36sewer line that goes down that street. I

37:38would love to see these poles go away,

37:39too, and I don't have a problem with

37:41them going away. I just want to make

37:43sure that everything goes in the place

37:45it's going to go. And then my other

37:46concern is

37:48what's the time frame on this? Are we

37:50going to lose

37:51is is the IT department going to lose

37:55our communication between

37:58the police department and the school?

37:59Are they going to lose I mean, if

38:01they're going to do this work, are they

38:02going to try to plan it around summer

38:04time school vacation or at least at

38:06Christmas vacation or February vacation

38:09so that when when all this stuff

38:11happens, I mean, obviously you don't

38:12want to disconnect all the power and

38:14everything to that part of the island

38:16during the summer, but it'd be nice to

38:17try to do this

38:18in the time of year when

38:21um

38:22it's the least impact on the residences

38:24there and the school and our IT

38:27department. So,

38:29um

38:29>> Madam Chair, to answer Bobby's question,

38:32can either Chris or Kelly talk about

38:34their time frame cuz I know that they

38:36are anxious to get this done sooner

38:38rather than later so they can get power

38:40to the building that's already built.

38:42>> I guess the other [clears throat]

38:43question I have is how long is it going

38:44to take? Is this going to be a couple

38:46day project or a week long project?

38:48That's, you know, so. Cuz that road's

38:50going to have to be closed, right? To

38:51dig the trenches and stuff.

38:55>> We can't close the road.

38:57>> I don't think guys I I guys I don't

38:59think they're going to be closing roads

39:00here. There might be some detouring some

39:02stuff here here here and there. The

39:04answer to the question is with ASAP.

39:07The minute we get this approval,

39:09um you know, and and I and

39:11I understand about making sure that

39:13these

39:14um

39:16trenches whatever manholes whatever

39:17transformers going to be in place

39:19they're not going to encroach you know,

39:20the public utility which we're happy to

39:23make sure we have a plan that will show

39:24that

39:25uh so that that that's not become an

39:27issue, but it's it's ASAP. We have this

39:30has been postponed postponed postponed.

39:32I can't wait any longer. These utility

39:34companies

39:35it's it's now fall. This is the time to

39:38do this work when this island is not

39:41busy.

39:42And I can't give you what it's going to

39:44take National Grid to do it, but it it's

39:46mean I don't it's not going to impede in

39:48the no no communication off for long

39:51period of time. They'll they'll be

39:53um you know, temporary

39:56service implemented if this is if it's

39:58like, you know, longer than a day. I'm

39:59sure that that that these National Grid

40:01Verizon will

40:02accommodate that. They're not going to

40:03just cut off communication to the to the

40:05town police that I mean that's just

40:07crazy. I mean, so you know, that's all

40:10well and good concerns and I'm with you,

40:12but I think I can promise you that these

40:13things concerns will be addressed

40:15uh prior

40:17to any of that happening.

40:18>> I think thank you.

40:20Mike Alvarez.

40:23>> Uh, thank you, Madam Chair. Um, so, uh,

40:27in general, or rather, uh,

40:29town IT in general does not oppose the

40:31burying of the poles. However, and more

40:33importantly, pole nine very specifically

40:35also has a 4-in conduit pipe that

40:37connects over to 131 Pleasant Street

40:39that is part of our connection for not

40:41only helping human services, natural

40:44resources, but also the meeting trailers

40:45that are there that also then connects

40:47into for um, public safety's uh,

40:50connection into uh, that 131 Pleasant

40:53Street connection. The connection to the

40:55school is a backup redundant line. Um,

40:59they still use it. So, if there you

41:01know, obviously when there is downtime,

41:03it won't be a major um, component loss

41:06for the school. Um, so, so if it happens

41:09during the fall when school's in

41:10session, it's not as it's not as though

41:13the high school won't have internet or

41:14something like that. Um, but, uh, 131

41:18Pleasant, um, will, um, will in fact be

41:21down. And if when they're doing that

41:24burying, that connection carries through

41:27uh, 37 Washington, uh, the harbormaster

41:30building, and 16 Broad. So, that's

41:32downtown will be down when those lines

41:35are temporarily cut over and so on.

41:37Might just be a brief time, but just so

41:39people folks are aware, there will be a

41:42brief,

41:42uh, downtime no matter what. Um, one

41:45last thing to note is I have not seen

41:47any plans addressing the connection or

41:51uh, if we'll be in a conduit or anything

41:53like that for our lines. Um, I'm

41:56assuming those are in place, but just

41:58full disclosure, I have not seen

41:59anything.

42:00>> Okay, thank you. Chris Young.

42:06>> Hold on.

42:11Chris, you need to unmute.

42:14>> Hi, thanks. Can you guys hear me now?

42:16>> Yes.

42:16>> Okay, thank you. Um so, Madam Chair,

42:19through you, I just the question would

42:21be regarding loss of service if 16 and

42:2414 Sparks Ave would be impacted. Um

42:28what would be the length of time that's

42:30um you know, I appreciate what Bob was

42:31saying about the schools

42:33and [snorts] the town, but this is our

42:35place of business. Um so, I wanted to

42:36know what we should be expecting for um

42:40being out of service. Not only when is

42:42it going to happen, but how long will it

42:43take?

42:44>> Yeah. Um can anyone answer that now, or

42:47is that something that just um should be

42:49coordinated and keep Chris Young in the

42:51loop?

42:54>> Can I know one more thing? I just got a

42:56text from Charles at NCTV who said that

42:59NCTV's fiber uplink to Comcast for their

43:02cable channels also go through the old

43:04fire station as well.

43:07>> Okay.

43:10Um Bob DeCosta, then Brooke Moore.

43:13>> Can someone from the utilities tell me

43:16how long they think this work is going

43:17to take? Is it a day, 2 days, a week?

43:20>> Uh someone from Verizon has his hand up.

43:22>> Ross. And just so you know, Ross is from

43:25Verizon. We have Tim Lyford from

43:27National Grid, and we have Kev uh Jamie

43:29Monteiro, and

43:31um Richard Chisholm from Comcast.

43:36>> Yes, good morning. Russ Bilodeau

43:37representing Verizon New England.

43:40Um you know, I can't really speak for

43:41the other utilities,

43:43but I can say

43:46that any there will you know, there'll

43:48be a flick of a second where there's

43:51downtime

43:52from where our cable is spliced in

43:55to where the new cable is, you know, the

43:57old cable is removed, rather.

43:59Um

44:01as far as placing the conduit, I got a

44:04question for the developer here.

44:06It is my understanding that he was

44:07placing the conduit and the utilities

44:10were using it. And I'm sorry if that's

44:12incorrect information, that's what I was

44:14told.

44:15Um

44:16so I'm hoping they can answer that

44:18question. So, you know, I think it would

44:20be better, you know, if he does place

44:22that conduit, he can work around all

44:24those other utilities and you don't have

44:26people trying to work on top of each

44:27other. And that's,

44:29you know, suggestion, but

44:32>> Yeah, so

44:33yeah, to that, very quickly, guys,

44:36>> Yes.

44:36>> Uh yeah, I I spoke Yes, so Trevor

44:38Barrett, uh who's my utility

44:42job con- contractor here, has is the one

44:46with will be placing the conduit to for

44:48this exact reason that we were talked

44:50about as well, to move around all these

44:52different utilities. Uh so that there

44:54will there won't be any conflicts.

44:56>> Okay, great. Brooke?

45:00>> Um

45:02this is uh

45:03a

45:04a shining example of the challenges of

45:07undergrounding utilities for those in

45:09the community who think this is just

45:11something we {quote} {unquote} get done.

45:14Um I want to I want to remind everybody

45:16that there's an affordable housing

45:18element to this development as well. And

45:21that delays uh mean delays in in folks

45:24getting

45:25um into affordable units that that we've

45:29uh subsidized with uh town money. That

45:32isn't to say we shouldn't do this right,

45:33but I just want to have a placeholder

45:35for that element of this project. And um

45:39it seems to me

45:41that no one singularly seems to be

45:45responsible for delivering a schematic

45:48plan that shows where this will be

45:50relative to existing utilities. And I

45:54don't know

45:55um it

45:56That's a little frustrating to me

45:59uh that

46:00in this, you know, multi-utility

46:03circumstance, but Chris, if you're

46:05laying the conduit, that it should be

46:08really simple. If everybody's going in

46:10that conduit, then there should be a

46:12simple plan

46:14that lays out where that conduit's going

46:16relative to to existing infrastructure.

46:19And that

46:21um that should satisfy the concerns, you

46:24know, once once our folks, IT, um sewer,

46:29see the location depth

46:33of that conduit and its relative

46:36location to other existing municipal

46:39services.

46:40Um

46:41that that's sort of a missing element

46:44here. I don't know how we get there

46:45timely.

46:48>> Can I make one note?

46:50Sorry. And I would love for Tim Leyford

46:52to chime in because I don't think

46:55everything can go in one conduit. Um

46:59power has to be separated

47:01from other utilities. So, would love to

47:04hear from Tim about I mean, how many

47:07conduits are we actually talking about?

47:09And National Grid usually installs their

47:11own.

47:12Um we usually don't allow

47:14private contractors to install in the

47:17public right away unless it's all going

47:19on private property.

47:21>> Okay. Um Tim, did you want to address

47:23that?

47:26>> Yes, I can address that. Um can you hear

47:28me okay?

47:29>> Yes.

47:31>> So,

47:33that is correct. National Grid's

47:35conduits will be separate from Verizon.

47:38Our existing standards require a minimum

47:40of a foot

47:42um distance between communications

47:45conduits to be installed.

47:48Um

47:49we do allow private contractors to

47:52install conduits that we will own after

47:56the fact. Um, they just have to be

48:00able to open

48:02road opening permits with the town to do

48:04that and then they just get them

48:06inspected by our operations supervisors

48:09to make sure everything's being

48:10installed correctly.

48:12>> Yeah.

48:14>> Thank you.

48:15>> real quick. I have a question for Tim. I

48:17the the ongoing issue that's been

48:19brought up here about where they're

48:21going to

48:22Hello?

48:24Tim, are you there?

48:25>> Oh, go ahead.

48:26>> Oh, yeah, yeah. About where they're

48:28going to be located has not been

48:29addressed by you guys already. I I I

48:32assumed it was. That's why I'm a little

48:33confused hearing this from the group.

48:37>> The the existing plan that we have right

48:39now is to

48:41have those conduits and that duct bank

48:44to be installed

48:46in the edge of road. Um, but we are more

48:49than happy to work with the town to make

48:51sure nothing gets installed on top of

48:53other existing infrastructure.

48:57>> Okay. So, if we have to just have to

48:58make those adjustments, we can hopefully

49:00get an approval today pending the um the

49:04adjustments on the plan that won't over

49:06over supersede any issues with the

49:07utilities.

49:12Is that Is that correct saying that,

49:14Tim? We can do that?

49:15>> Absolutely, yeah.

49:17>> Okay. Okay, great. Great.

49:19>> Thank you. Um, Richard Chisholm?

49:23>> Hi, good morning.

49:25Um, just wanted to jump on. I know

49:26Verizon answered that question about the

49:28time services will be down. So,

49:31we typically target any sort of force

49:33relocation work for night cuts

49:36to avoid that customer impact. And our

49:39window that we target is between 2:00

49:41and 5:00 a.m.

49:43depending on the scope of the project.

49:44If it's a larger project, we target

49:46between 1:00 and 6:00 a.m. So, I know

49:48Jamie's in touch with the site more than

49:50I am.

49:51But, I just wanted to give you those

49:52time frames just because there was some

49:53questions about customer impact. So, we

49:56do a lot of audit work prior to. We do

49:57contact folks to let them know the work

49:59will be taking place and then we do we

50:01do everything in our power to do

50:03everything overnight uh with no

50:05spillover into normal business hours.

50:07So, well that's never a guarantee,

50:09um that's our target for sure.

50:11Uh and I know this area has been

50:13discussed a lot in our office and

50:15and um you know, like I said, Jamie's

50:17working hand in hand with the site on

50:18whatever's needed. So, I'm I'm confident

50:21you know, we can provide that or or hit

50:22those goals on our end. Um but just

50:25wanted to address the customer impact

50:27questions.

50:28>> Okay, thank you. Um are we going to need

50:31a noise bylaw waiver for that work?

50:33>> If they are cutting the if if they're

50:36using existing

50:41conduits that is being installed by

50:44>> Then that's probably not

50:45>> contractor.

50:46>> It would just be if they were cutting

50:48during the night.

50:49>> Yeah, so you would need

50:50pulling the wires.

50:52>> As far as No, we'll pull the wires

50:53during the day. So, whenever we do work

50:55like this,

50:55>> Are you doing the splicing?

50:56>> ahead of time, we do all the prep work.

50:58We get all the new wiring in place,

51:01uh any other hardware that's needed. And

51:03then once that midnight hour that 1:00

51:05hour hits, then we simply, you know, cut

51:08the old stuff, splice the new,

51:11and we we target having everybody back

51:13up and running by 6:00 a.m.

51:16So, as far as noise goes, it's just, you

51:18know, splicing vehicles on site with um

51:20hazards and police detail usually, but

51:22there's not a lot of noise generated by

51:24what we

51:25Yeah.

51:26>> So, they might be able to get away with

51:27just a a street blocking with detail.

51:30Okay, great.

51:31>> Usually, yeah, usually overnight work

51:33like that it's just a police detail.

51:34Yeah.

51:35>> Okay, thank you. Bob DeCastro.

51:38>> Um

51:40I just want to clarify something

51:42and I am more than happy to have Drew

51:46follow up on this, but

51:48the plan that I looked at shows the duct

51:51work or the conduit in the sidewalk.

51:54But, I just heard the Verizon

51:56representative say edge of road, and

51:59there's a big difference between

52:00sidewalk and edge of road.

52:02So, I want to make sure that

52:04I'm clear

52:06or the town is clear anyway that if we

52:08continue forward with this that

52:11the electrical conduit can go through

52:13the road. I know that the phone can, and

52:15I know what the Comcast can and all

52:17that, but is there some rule

52:20that says that the electricity has to be

52:23in a public way and not in the sidewalk?

52:26I just Cuz if we have to cut that road,

52:28that's that's a whole different animal

52:30than digging up the sidewalk.

52:33>> Well, again, the electricity can go

52:34through the developers' private

52:37property if they grant an easement.

52:40>> Yeah, but it's going all the way up to

52:42to Chris at at HouseFitters. It's not

52:45just his property. So, where is is it

52:47going to Is that conduit going to come

52:49back out and go into the into the

52:51sidewalk, or is it just going

52:54Is it going in the road? I I'd like

52:56clarification on that before we go

52:58forward.

53:00>> Okay.

53:01>> So, what's What's the the National Grid

53:03here to answer that?

53:06>> Yes, Tim is here.

53:08Or is he?

53:11Verizon has Ross has his hand up

53:14as well.

53:16>> So,

53:17if I may, um

53:19again, the plan right now for the

53:21electrical conduits is to be installed

53:25in the edge of road. Um there will be

53:28crossings

53:30on a couple sections of the sidewalk to

53:34to bring power

53:35onto private property

53:38both for new service and to refeed

53:42um existing existing equipment.

53:45But the majority will the majority of

53:47the duct bank is planned to be installed

53:50in the edge of road.

53:51>> So the road is going to be cut?

53:54>> That's correct.

53:54>> road. Yeah, see this is completely

53:56different.

53:57The developer is saying he's going to

53:59put it in the sidewalk. You're telling

54:00me we're going to cut that road. If we

54:02have to cut that road, that road's going

54:04to be shut down for a while. It's going

54:06to be a single lane at least. That's a

54:07busy busy road.

54:09So

54:11I can't go in the sidewalk.

54:14>> Can Can we go more on my property, Tim,

54:16opposed to the, you know, into the road?

54:19>> We can absolutely explore that option,

54:21yes.

54:23>> Okay. So that's

54:25that's a very doable situation, okay.

54:27>> I don't think we want it to go in the

54:28sidewalk because we don't want it on top

54:30of the sewer.

54:32Right.

54:34So we don't end up with another downtown

54:36issue where we go to repair a sewer and

54:38we can't get to it cuz there's electric

54:40on top of it.

54:41>> Well,

54:42the sewer main runs across that road,

54:44correct, David?

54:46The force main?

54:48>> It does, um,

54:50about in the center of that lot right by

54:52the, meeting trail, yes.

54:56>> So we're going across the sewer line

54:57regardless.

54:58>> There's two crossings there, yes.

55:00>> Yeah.

55:01I I just I'm trying to avoid having to

55:03cut that road if it's all possible. I'd

55:05rather see it Does the sewer line go

55:07down the sidewalk? Is that what we're

55:08talking about, David, for those

55:10properties?

55:11>> Yes, all the way from Nantucket Auto

55:12Body all the way to where it crosses,

55:14yes.

55:16>> Got you.

55:19It would be nice if we

55:21It would be nice if we

55:22>> only, uh,

55:24David, just on the sidewalk?

55:27>> It's just in the sidewalk where until it

55:29crosses over.

55:31>> Where'd it cross over?

55:34>> Just about in the center.

55:36I think in the center of your parcel.

55:38Can I share my

55:39>> So from my

55:40So from from the Tuckett Auto past

55:43Cummington to the middle of my property

55:45then it crosses over the street.

55:47>> Yes, and then there's the other crossing

55:49closer to um

55:51Chris said down at 1416.

55:53>> Okay. So there's plenty of space to to

55:56to make sure that we're in we know

55:57between my property

55:59East Mountain Road and everything else

56:01to to address these issues. Would you

56:02say that's accurate?

56:06>> And and your property next to the

56:08sidewalk?

56:09>> Yeah.

56:10>> Uh without physically going over there

56:12and looking, I can't I can't answer

56:14that.

56:15>> Yeah, sure. But there's there's there's

56:16plenty of space that we can address that

56:18we're not impeding on the sewer lines

56:20here.

56:21Let me ask Tim. Tim, would that Tim,

56:24would that be an an accurate statement?

56:27>> I would say that's an accurate

56:28statement. We have a lot of flexibility

56:31as to where exactly

56:33we can put this duct bank.

56:35>> Okay, good. So we can make the

56:36adjustments to address the town's needs

56:39without it without an issue, correct?

56:42>> I would say so, yes.

56:44>> Okay, good. That's good news.

56:45>> Is it going to be encased in concrete?

56:47>> Okay, guys, I got to take control of

56:49this meeting and I have so many hands up

56:51and people are just talking.

56:54Um Bob Bystrowski.

56:56>> Yes, Madam Chair, thank you. Another

56:59assurance that the Select Board will

57:01need uh when you are ready to move

57:04forward on a motion is that the cost of

57:07the relocation of any town

57:09infrastructure as described by Mike

57:12Alvarez will be borne by the developer.

57:14This is not a town project. It's a

57:16private project. There will be costs

57:19associated with relocating the town

57:22infrastructure conduit cables to splice.

57:25That presumes you're installing brand

57:27new cable.

57:28Um and that just I would think you would

57:31want that assurance.

57:33>> Okay.

57:35Drew?

57:36Patnode?

57:39>> Thank you, Madam Chair. Can I share my

57:40screen real quick? I was just going to

57:42try to help people understand where all

57:44the utilities are.

57:46Uh give me 1 second.

57:51Can you guys see my screen?

57:55>> There's nothing there yet.

57:56>> No.

57:56>> Oh, now we got it. Yeah.

57:58>> Okay. So, just to give everyone some

58:01bearings, here's the old fire station.

58:03This is a sewer manhole in the sidewalk.

58:05And David, I believe this is where it

58:07crosses the road, essentially under the

58:09vehicle that took this photo.

58:12And then this sewer line runs up the

58:13sidewalk

58:15past Cumberland Farms to this manhole

58:17that is literally in the curb line.

58:19So, the way I've thought of this is that

58:22the easiest thing to do is to bring any

58:24underground utilities out into the

58:26middle of this travel lane.

58:27The water main is on the opposite side

58:29of the road. You can actually see that

58:30some of the valving here along the other

58:32edge of the road. So, the middle of the

58:33road is kind of wide open.

58:35But, I I think at the end of the day we

58:38I don't want to speak for everybody. I

58:39just have concerns that

58:41we're talking very theoretically about

58:43we can avoid this and we can do that. I

58:44don't know why this is not on a

58:46survey-quality plan that shows where

58:48existing utilities are and where the

58:50proposed infrastructure is so we can

58:52review it.

58:53I I think that that kind of needs to be

58:55the ask.

58:56>> Okay.

58:57Thank you.

58:59Brooke?

58:59>> Trying to figure out how to stop sharing

59:01my screen. Sorry.

59:02>> That is exactly where I was getting at.

59:05I I I mean, we are we are

59:06problem-solving on the fly in a select

59:08board meeting that um

59:11it feels to me it is coming to us

59:13incomplete and

59:15um I you know

59:19>> [clears throat]

59:20>> another month is a problem, right? On

59:23the development timeline. However,

59:26um

59:28we have a lot of different opinions from

59:30select board members, my

59:32>> Well, uh Brooke, can I

59:33>> self-included, who are not engineers and

59:35don't really understand.

59:37Yeah.

59:38>> If they can get a plan done sooner, why

59:41we can put this on a Wednesday night.

59:44Would just be my suggestion. So, they

59:46don't have to wait a full month like if

59:48it's ready

59:49next week.

59:51Does that make

59:52Does that seem fair?

59:54>> Yeah.

59:55Yeah.

59:56That would be my inclination is

59:58y'all need to get in a room. Chris, you

1:00:00need to get in a room with town staff

1:00:02and come up with an engineered plan for

1:00:04them to review and a plan if it's going

1:00:07to be in the road, I mean, we're talking

1:00:08about multiple property own

1:00:11>> Mhm.

1:00:11>> owners, right? It's not just Chris's

1:00:13property that we're talking about. So,

1:00:15it seems to me that, um,

1:00:18we need a more comprehensive plan.

1:00:20>> Yeah, well, I got to say, Brooke, I'm

1:00:21I'm just I'm just as as as surprised as

1:00:23you are right now, too. So, I thought

1:00:24this plan was done properly and

1:00:27comprehensive already done between all

1:00:29the the Verizon and National Grid and

1:00:31and with everyone here. I'm So, I'm I'm

1:00:34a little surprised as well. So, yeah, I

1:00:35I

1:00:36I'm with you.

1:00:37I I I don't think it's

1:00:39You're right, we need to problem solving

1:00:41here. We don't need to problem solve

1:00:42here. What we need is an approval

1:00:44pending the plan.

1:00:46Okay? That That's what I would need.

1:00:47That's my ask for tonight. We'll get

1:00:49this thing approved pending an approved

1:00:51plan

1:00:52by you guys at that point.

1:00:55So, I can get the ball rolling here.

1:01:00>> Um, I don't think we can do that without

1:01:02the plan.

1:01:03I think we'll have to put it on the next

1:01:05available Wednesday night.

1:01:06>> Well, here's ano- another way to do it.

1:01:08We could, uh,

1:01:10we could we could approve it contingent

1:01:13on, uh, you know, Drew and, uh,

1:01:17Drew and Bob, you know,

1:01:19signing off. Like, we could give our

1:01:20authority to Drew, Bob, Erica to sign

1:01:23off on this, you know, with the

1:01:25understanding it's not going to in

1:01:27interfere with town,

1:01:29etc. And not have to go to a Wednesday

1:01:30night. Cuz if we put it on a Wednesday

1:01:32night, then it's got to be in the packet

1:01:34by a Friday, and all of a sudden we're,

1:01:36you know, we're a month out again. You

1:01:38know, I think if if we could, you know,

1:01:40if this could be drawn up sort of by the

1:01:43end of the week, and the and staff is

1:01:45happy with it beginning in next week,

1:01:47can't we move on?

1:01:49And I agree with And I also agree with

1:01:51Brooke that we are doing this on the

1:01:52fly. And it, you know, I wish there was

1:01:55better coordination from everybody so

1:01:57that this was sort of done when it was

1:02:00brought to us. Thank you.

1:02:11>> Hi.

1:02:12Um Bob DeCosta.

1:02:15>> Madam Chair, if if you

1:02:18If you don't mind, I'd like to make a

1:02:19motion, and then we can see if we can

1:02:21proceed.

1:02:22>> If you're going to make a motion, you

1:02:24have to make a motion to close the

1:02:25public hearing first.

1:02:26>> Yes.

1:02:26>> And you have one hand up.

1:02:28>> Brooke has her hand up.

1:02:29>> So we'll let her go first.

1:02:31>> Yeah.

1:02:31>> Yeah.

1:02:32>> Uh Brooke, uh to follow up on what Matt

1:02:34said,

1:02:36um

1:02:37ultimately, I can't make engineering

1:02:39decisions. So, I'm okay in principle. I

1:02:41think this is a good idea, right? So,

1:02:43that's our authority. And then we need

1:02:45to make sure that

1:02:46everybody, all the T's are crossed and

1:02:49the I's are dotted. So, along with what

1:02:52Matt said, I'd like to know from town

1:02:55staff represented here today who wants

1:02:58sign off permission on this before if we

1:03:00were to craft a motion for a contingent

1:03:02approval.

1:03:04Who I'm I'm seeing Drew, Mike,

1:03:07um

1:03:08David,

1:03:09anyone else that we need to put in a

1:03:12motion

1:03:13that needs to have We We to have 100%

1:03:16sign off from those individuals.

1:03:18>> They market water.

1:03:20>> And and water. And how about Mike Burns

1:03:22at transportation?

1:03:25>> Sure.

1:03:26>> Okay.

1:03:27So so that's that uh

1:03:30to keep this going and not hold it up to

1:03:33my non-engineering brain,

1:03:35I would be inclined to go that

1:03:36direction. And then when they get all

1:03:39those ducks in a row, and they get those

1:03:41permissions, then they will they will

1:03:43essentially have approval. [snorts]

1:03:46Um and obviously the utilities have to

1:03:48agree to it as well. So um I

1:03:52given that, I would make a motion to

1:03:53close the public hearing if no one else

1:03:54is willing to wishing to speak.

1:03:57>> Just Chris Young has his hand up again.

1:03:59>> Oh, sorry. Couldn't see that.

1:04:01>> Chris Young.

1:04:03>> Thank you. Um so I appreciate the

1:04:06urgency on

1:04:07behalf of the developer and and the

1:04:09housing needs, but

1:04:11what we're talking about is closing down

1:04:12Sparks Avenue

1:04:14um

1:04:15for an undetermined amount of time. So I

1:04:17just am worried about

1:04:19this

1:04:20being a given

1:04:22uh you know, approval pending technical

1:04:25approvals from the various departments

1:04:26without the consideration of what it's

1:04:28going to be doing to traffic flow. Um I

1:04:31don't quite understand because of the

1:04:32plan that I was presented with what is

1:04:35happening to the

1:04:37um

1:04:38east of pad 11-6. In other words, in

1:04:40front of 16 and 14 Sparks Avenues. Is

1:04:43that

1:04:45going to be is is the sidewalk being

1:04:46removed? Is are we talking about uh an

1:04:49easement? If there's an easement that's

1:04:50being proposed by the developer across

1:04:5318 through uh

1:04:5622 Sparks Ave,

1:04:58what happens when that easement

1:04:59terminates at 16 Sparks Ave? There's

1:05:01just a lot of

1:05:02concern on my part that this could get

1:05:05uh a blanket approval without really

1:05:07seeing a plan um not understanding what

1:05:10we're about to do to the traffic on

1:05:11Sparks Avenue for an undetermined amount

1:05:13of time and uh and how it's going to

1:05:16impact our property if easements are

1:05:18being thrown about without seeing

1:05:22really what the impact is

1:05:24in a as it was said a survey quality

1:05:26plan. So

1:05:28as much as I want to you know be a good

1:05:30neighbor and help this project along. I

1:05:32feel like

1:05:34all of this designing on the fly is

1:05:36really going to net us

1:05:37a headache that I'm going to have to

1:05:38bear and [clears throat]

1:05:40the entire town. I don't know if I'm the

1:05:41only one speaking on behalf of everybody

1:05:43who drives up and down Sparks Avenue

1:05:44every day but

1:05:45we went from having a easement

1:05:48under the developers land to now tearing

1:05:51up Sparks Ave. So I'm a little bit

1:05:53concerned how this conversation is

1:05:55going.

1:05:56>> Okay.

1:05:57>> Stop. That's that's not what

1:05:59we're talking about.

1:05:59>> Okay.

1:06:02Can you please wait for me to recognize

1:06:04you? Sorry. Oracca's hand up first.

1:06:07>> Madam chair, I'm just sharing the

1:06:10Verizon plan right now. So there are

1:06:14four poles along this stretch and and

1:06:17Ross and Tim please correct me if I'm

1:06:20wrong but according to this plan there's

1:06:21four poles along the stretch of of land

1:06:24along Sparks Avenue. Pole 11 is

1:06:27remaining.

1:06:29Um

1:06:31poles

1:06:3210 and nine which are in front of the

1:06:35Poseidon development are leaving. Those

1:06:38are going to be underground and then

1:06:40pole eight which is in front of Crest, I

1:06:44believe,

1:06:45um is to remain. Ross, can you confirm

1:06:49that?

1:06:51>> Yes, I can confirm that.

1:06:52>> Ross. Okay.

1:06:54>> Yep. So sorry about that. Yes, I can

1:06:55confirm.

1:06:56>> Thank you. Although National Grid's plan

1:07:01shows a hand hole down here.

1:07:06So I'm not

1:07:07>> that's National Grid's thing. That's

1:07:09they're using that to tie into other

1:07:11properties. I'll let Tim talk on that.

1:07:13>> Okay.

1:07:14>> thing Verizon is asking for here is for

1:07:16a 4-in conduit from pole 8 to pole 11 so

1:07:19that we can dip down our existing aerial

1:07:22cable at pole 8 and rise back up at 11

1:07:25and keep all of our connectivity along

1:07:27Sparks Ave through here.

1:07:32>> Okay.

1:07:34Uh Chris?

1:07:36Piemonte?

1:07:38>> So, just just just to address Chris

1:07:40Young's issue, I think we we addressed

1:07:42that issue by not going on the street by

1:07:45National Grid saying we can go into my

1:07:47property to avoid that issue. I think I

1:07:49thought I wanted to I thought that was

1:07:50clear.

1:07:52Uh we've spoken before.

1:07:56>> Uh Madam Chair, if I

1:07:58>> Oh, yes. Go ahead, Chris.

1:08:00>> I So, Drew, can you address that? You're

1:08:02Drew just said that we were going down

1:08:04the center line of Sparks Avenue.

1:08:12>> Drew Petner?

1:08:13>> I haven't decided where anything's

1:08:14going. I just the the

1:08:16level of detail on the plans that were

1:08:18submitted

1:08:19along with the petitions doesn't give us

1:08:23enough information to work from. I just

1:08:25understand where some of the town

1:08:26infrastructure is and I think down the

1:08:28middle of the road is the path of least

1:08:30resistance, but there's also been talk

1:08:32of doing it on private property. Again,

1:08:34I I just think that's why we need a

1:08:35formal plan and that we can review and

1:08:38>> Who's the engineer on Who's the Who's

1:08:40the surveyor engineer on this?

1:08:43>> Dan Malloy.

1:08:44>> Okay.

1:08:45Can you guys get an internal meeting

1:08:48going with Dan Malloy and get this

1:08:49finalized?

1:08:52>> I said I thought this was finalized,

1:08:55Don. I I This is the first I'm hearing

1:08:57of this right now. I'm very I'm just as

1:08:59surprised as this group is, but however,

1:09:02we can get it finalized with depending

1:09:04the approvals of all the heads of the

1:09:06departments to get the ball rolling. Cuz

1:09:10these utility companies aren't They need

1:09:13this for me to get this thing moving.

1:09:14It's just that simple. I don't get this

1:09:16approval, I can't get anything moving,

1:09:17and I can't get electricity on my sites,

1:09:19and I can't get apartments going, and

1:09:21I'm ready These homes are almost ready

1:09:22to go.

1:09:23Like the one building is ready to go. I

1:09:25need the approval, and if we I have no

1:09:28problem at heating to all these

1:09:30different approval heads, and not to

1:09:32have any road

1:09:33detours if you have if it's very

1:09:35minimal, it's minimal. It's a turn, you

1:09:37know, for in the middle of the winter

1:09:38when there's not a lot of, you know,

1:09:40traffic going on, which is what I'm

1:09:42hoping we can do it in.

1:09:44So, this the one impede a lot a lot of

1:09:46issues. It might be for a day or two

1:09:48times.

1:09:50>> Okay, David Gray.

1:09:53>> I think National Grid has their own

1:09:55engineers that design their stuff, but

1:09:56that's

1:09:58that's just my comment.

1:10:00>> Erica.

1:10:03>> I would like to make a suggestion. Um

1:10:06because National Grid, Verizon, and

1:10:09Comcast are three completely different,

1:10:12separate utilities who don't work

1:10:13together.

1:10:15Um and I don't mean that in any

1:10:17condescending way. It's just they have

1:10:18their own engineers that develop their

1:10:20own plans. Um that Chris have has Dan

1:10:25work with the engineers of

1:10:28Comcast, Verizon, and National Grid, and

1:10:31come up with a

1:10:33What did Drew say? A um

1:10:39>> Engineer.

1:10:39>> Well, [clears throat] a survey quality

1:10:41plan showing existing utilities,

1:10:44existing town utilities,

1:10:47and what is being proposed and where

1:10:51by the

1:10:52National Grid, Verizon, and Comcast, and

1:10:55that way it can be reviewed by Mike

1:10:58Alvarez, Mike Burns, Drew Patno, David

1:11:00Gray, Mark Willett,

1:11:02um

1:11:03to say yay or nay.

1:11:06>> Yep, that makes sense.

1:11:08Bob DeCosta.

1:11:09>> I would that be fine with that.

1:11:11>> I make a motion to close the public

1:11:13hearing.

1:11:14>> Second.

1:11:16>> Okay, made by Bobby, seconded by Matt.

1:11:19All those in favor by roll call. Matt

1:11:21Fee.

1:11:21>> I.

1:11:22>> Bob DeCosta.

1:11:23>> I.

1:11:24>> Brooke Moore.

1:11:25>> I.

1:11:26>> Phil Deeth.

1:11:27>> I.

1:11:28>> Don Hill, I. That carries unanimously.

1:11:30And now, um, can we make a motion,

1:11:33basically what Erica just said?

1:11:35>> That's That's my I was just going to say

1:11:37I make the motion that what would Erica

1:11:39just said

1:11:40to, um,

1:11:42to to put that group together, come up

1:11:44with that plan, pending approval of the,

1:11:48uh,

1:11:50the town of the town

1:11:52>> staff

1:11:53>> the town people that she listed,

1:11:56um, then they could get their approval.

1:12:00>> And

1:12:00>> Make sure that Chris Young is kept in

1:12:03the loop as well, since he's very

1:12:05impacted by this.

1:12:07>> Should we say anything about the

1:12:09developer also incurring all the costs

1:12:12associated with town infrastructure

1:12:14relocation?

1:12:16>> Yes, and and that

1:12:18and one one last thing to add to it that

1:12:21if

1:12:22and I say this if if it can't be worked

1:12:24out that the

1:12:25uh, electrical service can

1:12:28ideally I'd like to see the electrical

1:12:29service go across the developer's

1:12:31property and not down the road, but if

1:12:33the road has to be cut, that the work be

1:12:35done at night, just like they did on

1:12:37Surfside Road, because that road is too

1:12:38busy even in February to be shut during

1:12:41the day.

1:12:42>> Yeah, but then we will need to do a

1:12:43noise bylaw waiver, so we'd have to

1:12:45>> It's mostly commercial there anyway, so

1:12:47I think we could probably do that, so.

1:12:48>> No, it's fine. We'll just have to

1:12:50actually do it, which is a problem.

1:12:54Um and can we keep Chris Young in the

1:12:55loop on this?

1:12:57>> Absolutely.

1:12:58>> the impact. Okay. Um

1:13:01>> Can I So

1:13:02>> Yep.

1:13:03>> Dawn, I'm willing to second the motion,

1:13:05but I just want clarity. We're we're

1:13:06giving approval pending all of the these

1:13:10conditions.

1:13:11>> And it comes back to us if there's a

1:13:12problem.

1:13:14>> Okay. I'll make I'll second that motion.

1:13:16>> Okay.

1:13:17Erica, were you saying something?

1:13:19>> I I was just going to clarify the

1:13:21motion, but I think I've got it.

1:13:22>> I think we're good. Okay. All those in

1:13:24favor by roll call, Bob DeCosta.

1:13:26>> I.

1:13:27>> Matt Fee.

1:13:28>> I.

1:13:28>> Brooke Moore.

1:13:30>> I.

1:13:30>> Jill Dearth.

1:13:31>> I.

1:13:32>> Dawn Hill, I. That carries unanimously

1:13:34five to zero. Thank you. I hope everyone

1:13:36>> Thank you, guys. Thank you. Thank you.

1:13:38>> Uh Ross, did you have a follow-up?

1:13:40>> It was only for item number two, for

1:13:43Verizon.

1:13:44>> But what

1:13:45>> Okay.

1:13:45>> Wait. Item number

1:13:46>> Yeah, I just wanted to clarify

1:13:48I just wanted to clarify that

1:13:50that

1:13:50I just wanted to clarify that this item

1:13:53was approved pending all that

1:13:54coordination.

1:13:55>> That is correct. Yes.

1:13:57>> Thank you very for very much for your

1:13:59time.

1:13:59>> Now, we do have to separately open the

1:14:02public hearing for item number two, and

1:14:04then go to a go to

1:14:07the same vote essentially.

1:14:09But um it is a public hearing. Is there

1:14:10anyone wishing to speak more

1:14:12specifically on item number two? I think

1:14:14we've pretty much already covered it.

1:14:16So, does someone want to make a motion

1:14:17to close the public hearing?

1:14:19>> So moved.

1:14:20>> Second.

1:14:21>> Made by Brooke, seconded by Jill. All

1:14:23those in favor, Brooke Moore.

1:14:25>> I.

1:14:26>> Jill Dearth.

1:14:27>> I.

1:14:27>> Matt Fee.

1:14:28>> I.

1:14:29>> Bob DeCosta.

1:14:30>> I.

1:14:30>> Dawn Hill, I. That carries unanimously,

1:14:33and then can someone make the same

1:14:34motion?

1:14:35>> I'll make the duplicate motion related

1:14:37to National Grid um with the same

1:14:39conditions as laid out in the Verizon

1:14:41motion.

1:14:43>> Seconded.

1:14:44>> Okay. May um seconded by Matt. All those

1:14:46in favor?

1:14:47>> Aye.

1:14:49>> Matt Fee?

1:14:49>> Aye.

1:14:50>> Bob DeCosta?

1:14:51>> Aye.

1:14:52>> Brooke Moore?

1:14:53>> Aye.

1:14:54>> Jill Veith?

1:14:55>> Aye.

1:14:56>> Donehill aye, that carries unanimously 5

1:14:58to 0. Okay,

1:14:59>> Chris, time is ticking for you. You need

1:15:01to get Dan DeLorenzo in touch with these

1:15:02guys.

1:15:03>> The minute I get off here, he's the

1:15:04first guy I'm calling.

1:15:06>> Okay.

1:15:06>> Okay, well, you're all set. We're moving

1:15:08on to the next

1:15:08>> Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank

1:15:10you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

1:15:11>> Okay, good luck with everything.

1:15:13>> Ma'am, I'm sure I think for three and

1:15:14four you just need to open each one and

1:15:16then motion to continue.

1:15:17>> Yep, I will open the public hearing for

1:15:19number three. And when are we continuing

1:15:20it to again, Erica?

1:15:21>> Um, November 16th.

1:15:24>> Okay, can someone make a motion to um

1:15:28continue item number three's public

1:15:30hearing to November 16th?

1:15:32>> I make a motion.

1:15:33>> Okay. Made by Bobby, seconded by Brooke.

1:15:37Or um all those in favor? Bob DeCosta?

1:15:40>> Aye.

1:15:41>> Brooke Moore?

1:15:42>> Aye.

1:15:43>> Matt Fee?

1:15:44>> Aye.

1:15:44>> Jill Veith?

1:15:46>> Aye.

1:15:47>> Donehill aye, that carries unanimously 5

1:15:48to 0. I will open the public hearing for

1:15:50item number four, and I need the same

1:15:52motion to continue.

1:15:54>> to close the public

1:15:56>> Did we close the public

1:15:57>> We're not closing the

1:15:58>> We're not closing, we're continuing.

1:16:00>> Oh, right, right. Sorry. Brain's not

1:16:01working.

1:16:02>> a motion to continue the public hearing

1:16:03item four to November 16th.

1:16:05>> Okay, is there a second?

1:16:06>> Second.

1:16:07>> Okay, made by Bobby, seconded by Jill.

1:16:09All those in favor? Bob DeCosta?

1:16:11>> Aye.

1:16:11>> Brooke Moore?

1:16:13>> Aye.

1:16:13>> Matt Fee?

1:16:14>> Aye.

1:16:15>> Jill Veith?

1:16:16>> Aye.

1:16:16>> Donehill aye, that carries unanimously.

1:16:18And then um if there's nothing else, we

1:16:20can make a motion to adjourn.

1:16:22>> So moved.

1:16:23>> Okay, made by Bobby, seconded by Jill, I

1:16:26think.

1:16:27All those in favor? Um Bob DeCosta?

1:16:30>> Aye.

1:16:31>> Brooke Moore?

1:16:32>> Aye.

1:16:32>> Jill Veith?

1:16:33>> Aye.

1:16:34>> Matt Fee?

1:16:35>> Aye.

1:16:36>> Donehill aye, that carries unanimously 5

1:16:37to 0. Thank you, everyone.

1:16:39>> Thank you.

1:16:40>> Bye.

1:16:40>> Bye.