2026-09-09 - Edward Farrar Utility District

00:14So, call the meeting of the Edward Perau

00:16Utility Committee to order here for

00:19Wednesday,

00:20September 9th, 2026

00:23here in the Steel Room.

00:26And uh

00:29first up is to approve the agenda. Any

00:33[clears throat]

00:34additions or modifications or

00:41>> seems fine to me.

00:44>> Do you have an extra packet?

00:46>> Yes. Did you not get one? I'm sorry,

00:51Skip. I assume you want me to add your

00:53notes about the uh correction.

00:57>> Yeah, when we get the minutes, I'll be

01:00>> Oh, that's for the minutes. Okay. Sorry

01:02about that.

01:03>> Yep. No, that's okay. So, a motion in

01:06order to approve the agenda asended.

01:12>> Second.

01:13>> Motion has been made and seconded to

01:16approve the agenda as presented.

01:19All those in favor say I. I.

01:22>> Opposed. Motion passes. I see I already

01:27plunk the spelling type

01:31spell check. I didn't have manager and I

01:35got Joe's name wrong in there. Left off

01:38an A.

01:40>> And for the record, just an I at the end

01:42of Gracie's name.

01:44>> And no L tech.

01:45>> Oh.

01:46>> And inside. [laughter]

01:48Yeah, if you want to be picky. Yeah.

01:50>> Yeah.

01:52>> All right. My daughter's dog is named

01:55Gracie.

01:56>> It's a good dog.

01:59>> Um, and I don't see any members of the

02:03public. I invited Joe. He's on the

02:06public.

02:09>> Yeah.

02:10>> Does anyone on the screen have anything

02:12you want to say or

02:19hearing none.

02:21Um,

02:24moving right along. I had on here an

02:28introduction to new town manager for

02:31those of us who haven't met her. Um,

02:36>> and uh, you know, welcome. And uh we

02:40meet at 4:30 and as you can see here and

02:44you can stay as long as you like. We

02:47don't have any hard question for you. So

02:51um I don't you have anything?

02:54>> No. So Gracie's been with us what couple

02:55weeks now.

02:56>> Um

02:57>> in my third week.

02:58>> In her third week. Um and getting we're

03:01had our first staff meeting today. Um

03:04>> horrible. That's horrible.

03:07we she's having one-on- ones with the

03:09staff that works in the building and

03:10others, meeting all the commissions and

03:12all the folks who do work around here.

03:15Um, she will I we're getting used to how

03:18things work. You'll see like today I'm

03:19providing the E5 board with material for

03:22the meeting at the meeting, not six days

03:25ahead like the select board has

03:27requested you do for them. So, these

03:30guys are a little more lenient. They

03:31know they can take things as they roll

03:34with them. So, um, no, uh, she's come in

03:38and we still have some tours to do.

03:40We're going to tour the water facility,

03:42the wastewater facility, all of the

03:44roads and stuff like that. Um, but she's

03:47already finding out there's not when we

03:50set these things up, there's not time

03:52typically, and we we've run out of, you

03:54know, run out of time, but, uh, I'll

03:56leave it to her to take it away.

03:58>> So, home is what, Iowa?

04:00>> Yep. Iowa. So, um, I lived in Iowa on

04:04and off pretty much my whole life and,

04:07um, I have about a decade of public

04:10administration work, mostly at the state

04:12level. Um, but with that, I've, uh,

04:15taken care of grants that were $24

04:17million a year. I did rural development

04:19in my free time. Um, I've always been

04:22really passionate about rural

04:24communities. And I've gotten the

04:26question repeatedly, why Vermont? Um,

04:29and the answer is me and my husband knew

04:31we wanted to leave Iowa. And while there

04:33is multiple reasons, a good example is

04:36it's 96 degrees there today.

04:38>> And that's not happening here. So um

04:43there's other reasons too, but uh the

04:45heat was definitely one of them. Um but

04:49as we kind of explored our options, we

04:52felt more and more loved with Vermont

04:54and was just charmed by Waterbury during

04:57the uh hiring process. So I'm feel very

05:00lucky to be in this position. Are

05:02>> you still in shock about the landscape

05:05or

05:05>> uh shocked? No. In awe. Yes. Um but I

05:10came here with my husband and my son

05:12who's 21 and then my four dogs. So,

05:16right now,

05:17>> four. Yep.

05:18>> One gets to come to the office.

05:20>> Two. You might see. Uh, the other two,

05:24uh, they they're bad dogs, but I

05:26couldn't just do work and then lay at my

05:28feet. They'd be a little more demanding

05:30of my time.

05:33Um, but they're all Pyrenees rescues.

05:35So, u, if you want to see pictures, I

05:38have pictures. Otherwise, Fridays, you

05:40might see them around the office.

05:42>> What are their names? Uh, so, uh, Simon,

05:47Cthulhu or Lulu, uh, Riker and Moira.

05:51So,

05:54>> yeah.

05:54>> And they've they've adjusted.

05:56>> They're in heaven. They are just

05:58thrilled to be here. So,

06:00>> well, they probably don't like the hot

06:02weather.

06:02>> No, they they want to live outside. Uh,

06:05they haven't seen a fox. Not that we

06:08didn't have foxes out there, but like we

06:10never saw them. Uh, and they're just

06:13thrilled to be here. So, as have I.

06:16>> So, so far, how do you find your job?

06:19>> I'm really liking it. [laughter]

06:21>> No, seriously.

06:22>> What else can you say? Right.

06:24>> Well, I mean, I do have a contract, so

06:27barring something, I guess I could be

06:29pretty honest, and I am. So, I'm really

06:32excited for Sunzilla tomorrow. Oh,

06:34>> yes.

06:34>> I have an outfit. Um, I'm excited to

06:37donate blood uh for the fire department

06:39on Friday. So just really excited to

06:42become a part of the town.

06:43>> Is that Friday?

06:43>> Yeah.

06:44>> John Malf got some right. He's

06:50>> I can't make it.

06:52>> Oh, good. Well, yeah.

06:55>> Where do you Where do you live?

06:56>> Where do you live?

06:56>> So, right now I'm in Barry. Um, so we

06:59have a short-term rental there and then

07:01our plan is to buy in Waterbury uh in

07:04the spring. So, after mud season is what

07:07everyone tells me.

07:08>> Good luck. We wish you

07:10>> wish you very well. Just

07:14>> Yeah.

07:15Yeah. It's tough, but

07:17>> doable. I mean, with some time.

07:19>> That's right.

07:20>> So, and that gives us time to figure out

07:24where exactly and yeah, figure out how I

07:27can be uh not Woody's neighbor because

07:30he's in Ducks, but

07:32>> yeah,

07:32>> find who I want my neighbors to be.

07:34[laughter]

07:36>> In Ducks, you got some good neighbors.

07:38That's a good news.

07:40>> Yeah. Well, welcome and good luck and

07:44let us know how we can help you.

07:46>> Of course,

07:48>> obviously you get you get a sense as

07:51time goes on just what we're focused on

07:54and how we operate and how we relate to

07:57the town or don't. We do. I'm only

08:00joking. But, uh, we wish you all the

08:04best and we're really excited about

08:10you you mean here.

08:11>> I appreciate it. And I know Woody's

08:13excited that slowly he'll have to do

08:15less and less of my job.

08:16>> Yeah. Been handing off stuff almost

08:18daily.

08:21>> Well, you've got the best public

08:23manager.

08:24>> 100%.

08:25>> To assist you.

08:26>> Yes.

08:27>> If you want to know something about

08:29Waterbury,

08:31>> he hear his dad know it. [laughter]

08:34Uh I have been amazed at how many times

08:37a name comes up and he's like, "Oh, that

08:39person lives here or [laughter]

08:41their sister does this and all that."

08:43So,

08:44>> well, absolutely true. Woody's

08:47fantastic. But Skip is being a little

08:49modest as well.

08:51>> He knows.

08:54>> Well, the other day somebody said to my

08:56daughter, um, "Give my best to Woody."

08:58And she had no idea what they were

08:59talking about.

09:02>> Are you serious? It took her a while to

09:03figure it out.

09:04>> They don't know your nickname.

09:05>> Well, they do, but they they were like

09:08>> not common.

09:10>> Oh, okay.

09:11>> It was a odd contact.

09:15>> Mine is that they said, "Give my best

09:19pearl." Nobody [laughter]

09:26>> name

09:29just as introduction. I have not met

09:31you. I'm Natalie Sherman

09:34since we started in 2018.

09:38>> Prior to that, I was with the village of

09:41since just before I came in 2000.

09:43>> Oh, wow.

09:46>> Bob, you wanna

09:48>> give a little introduction. Bob's a

09:50transplant too from many years ago.

09:53>> 1978

09:55was the first town small

09:58population I ever lived in.

10:01I went to the town court, get a hunting

10:04license,

10:07I got a pistol license, Washington DC.

10:09How about that

10:11hunting license?

10:15Yeah, I've been on the board for 26

10:17years.

10:23>> And we have one member missing, Cindy

10:25Parks, the fifth member of the board. Um

10:28he's an engineer for the state of

10:30Vermont.

10:33>> I want to apologize for inter

10:40>> Well, I already like her because she

10:41told me this morning I didn't have to go

10:43to her meeting

10:47this [laughter]

10:49>> and we met Rick West. I've been on

10:52commission now for three years. Um my

10:56prior to that I've been for 14 years on

10:59planning commission

11:01uh before we split the development

11:04review function of planning commission

11:07uh from the commission and put it in the

11:11development board. So we were planning

11:13in sight review. Um

11:17my my background is in utility

11:20regulation.

11:24So

11:26>> there you go.

11:28>> Awesome.

11:31All right. Anything else? Anybody wants

11:33that?

11:36If not,

11:40>> you free to stay or leave.

11:44Um, next up is the minutes of July 8th

11:48and August 8th.

11:51Last month we didn't have the August

11:54meeting minutes.

11:57>> No, you didn't have the July minutes.

11:59Right.

12:05>> Um,

12:07and I uh [clears throat]

12:09read the August minutes after I was

12:12doing the agenda, there was

12:16one item I was going to expand upon,

12:19which was the

12:21when the select board

12:24um invited us to their meeting, I

12:27declined it because Our open meeting law

12:31requires our meetings to be warned that

12:33more than two of us are going to be

12:36somewhere else

12:38in the same meeting and talking about

12:41business. We're also have a

12:46>> so that it wasn't warned. So I just

12:48declined that we wouldn't go because it

12:51was much more

12:53but that we if they had something they

12:56want us to talk about which would get

12:58closer to budget time

13:01>> um and they said we would warn it and

13:04talk about it on the budget. So, um, is

13:07that added to those minutes, Ky, or

13:11>> No. Uh, your your rules that you

13:14presented last week said I do not need

13:16to change the original minutes. I just

13:18need to make a note in the current

13:22minutes.

13:23>> Okay.

13:23>> At least that's my understanding.

13:26>> That sounds about right.

13:30Um therefore I move that we accept the

13:34meetings at the minute the minutes of

13:37the meetings of January July 8th and

13:43August 12th I submit

13:44>> with the

13:48>> additional comments

13:49>> with the comments that will show up in

13:50these the minutes for this meeting

13:52>> regarding

13:53>> yes I forward those to Ka

13:57>> you want to repeat that Again,

13:59>> I I had three people talking, so I don't

14:01know what you want.

14:02>> I think I think just the motion to

14:05accept the minutes as presented with

14:08your call.

14:10>> I wanted to talk about financial

14:13reporting.

14:16>> We're not ready.

14:16>> Is that on there?

14:17>> Yeah.

14:18>> Okay.

14:20It's there on a diagonal

14:24>> on the on which

14:27>> 535.

14:28>> I'm looking at

14:30>> minutes.

14:31>> Oh, you're looking at agenda. Okay.

14:33>> We're not there yet.

14:37>> Skip. The question that I'm the reason

14:40I'm hesitating to

14:43present the motion as you had suggested

14:45is because of what Kaia just said, which

14:47is

14:49that the minutes according to our

14:54procedures on the minutes, the minutes

14:57of August 12th don't need to be changed.

14:59We just note in the minutes of this

15:01meeting that you've made those comments.

15:05>> How would somebody who read those

15:07minutes know that it was

15:13>> If you want the minutes changed, let's

15:15Okay, then fine. Well, but I we always

15:18thought they were drafts until approved

15:20by the board.

15:21>> Right.

15:22>> Right.

15:22>> So, the board could approve changes.

15:25>> Yes.

15:26>> It doesn't matter.

15:27>> No, no, but I'm happy to do it however

15:30you want. Okay. That that's fine. But Ka

15:33was just pointing out that what we that

15:38>> it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter.

15:39>> I think to Ka's point, that's when there

15:42are if someone sees minutes prior to

15:46approval and want I mean after approval

15:48and wants to make a change. We never

15:51change minutes. We haven't approved the

15:54July 8th yet. In order to approve it, we

15:57will approve it with a edit.

16:00I think that's appropriate because she

16:03hasn't posted them. They're not

16:04finalized yet. So, she still can edit

16:08the July 8th

16:10minutes and then they become final. And

16:13if somebody wants to change it after

16:15that, we

16:17>> Okay.

16:17>> We don't change. We we go to the current

16:20conversations.

16:20>> You make the motion.

16:23>> Okay.

16:24>> Let me take out everything I've got.

16:27Okay.

16:28So, let's uh um I make a motion to

16:32approve the July 8th minutes with the

16:37um additional comments supplied

16:42for the

16:46uh under the joint meeting with select

16:48board item

16:53>> with the

16:55board.

16:57You did. You have those to to include.

17:02Did you receive a note from Skip to

17:05>> Yes, I've got that.

17:06>> Right.

17:07>> So, I've got his change that he

17:09requested.

17:11>> And then I've got Natalie's made a

17:13motion to approve the July 8th minutes

17:15with the additional comments applied for

17:17the under the joint meeting with the

17:19select board item.

17:24>> Yeah. It would be adjustment to the Yes.

17:33>> Is there a second?

17:38>> Most been made and seconded to approve

17:40if we

17:42July 8th.

17:44>> It's not July 8th.

17:46>> Yeah.

17:46>> Yeah. Sorry, that's wrong. It's all

17:48wrong. It's the July 12th minutes.

17:51>> Well,

17:53they're August 12th. August 12th. So,

17:56sorry

17:57>> it's

17:59So, let's go back to July 8th. Do we

18:01want to approve those?

18:03>> Oh,

18:06[clears throat]

18:07sorry.

18:08>> No, I just hit a key that just took my

18:11whole screen away. Okay, there we go.

18:14>> Natalie approved the August 12th minute.

18:20Um,

18:21yes, that would correct

18:23>> with the additional comments

18:28supplied. I'm going to say uh supplied

18:32uh

18:33>> relating to the

18:35>> joint meeting with select board as

18:37provided by Skip Fus.

18:40>> We're usually watching more.

18:44>> We don't usually get into this

18:46first guy.

18:49I've s in a a board or two meeting but

18:53that happens.

18:54>> So you

18:56>> so my motion is on August 12th with

18:59those adjustments.

19:01[clears throat]

19:01>> The motion has been seconded. So a

19:04motion has been made and seconded to

19:06approve the August 12th minutes with the

19:10additions to the item relative to the

19:12select board invite for the commission.

19:16All those in favor say I.

19:19>> I.

19:20>> Those opposed. Motion passes. Now we

19:23need to check

19:26July 8th minute. I move that we approve

19:30the minutes of July 8th.

19:34Motion.

19:37Motion has been made. Second to approve

19:39the minutes of July 8th. All those in

19:43favor say I.

19:44>> I. opposed. Motion passes.

19:52Next up is um invited Joe Camarada, the

19:57co-chair of the housing task force um to

20:03uh speak to us about the chip program um

20:08that the select board and me and uh Joe

20:12spent a lot of time on as to how it

20:15could be used to

20:18facilitating housing Woody and I went to

20:21a meeting what must be two years ago

20:24town. They were looking at trying to use

20:27that

20:28>> thing. I think Joel has made a second

20:32career out of the housing passports.

20:38>> He's uh really dug into it and

20:40understand it well as anybody I know.

20:44So,

20:47and

20:49I'm looking to learn too about how

20:52>> to be. So,

20:55it's your show there, Joe. So, are you

20:58logged into Can I Can I enable sharing?

21:04>> Sure. If Gracie knows how to do that,

21:11my co-host,

21:13>> you should be allowed to share that.

21:20>> And will the folks on Zoom see this?

21:26>> Joe, I was proud that I just could

21:28figure out how to hook this up. Now you

21:30want me to share something. So

21:34>> baby.

21:35>> Yeah, baby steps. Okay,

21:38>> so first of all, thank you for um my

21:41name. I would chair that housing. We're

21:43going to talk about the chip, not CHIP.

21:46CHIP is the 1970s TV shows.

21:51[laughter]

21:52But CHIP stands for community and

21:54housing.

21:56Okay. And really it's a program that

21:59allows

22:01uh future tax for

22:04what I want to do is start by just

22:06talking real quickly about the housing

22:10know about it. Um then I'll introduce uh

22:14the the program. We'll show a an

22:17illustrated example of how it works and

22:20then I'll conclude with some next steps

22:22or even first steps things that we

22:24should be thinking about right now for

22:26any projects.

22:29U first of all the housing task force

22:31we've been around for about

22:34seems like a long time right. Uh anyway,

22:36we were formed uh out of the the call

22:40for the housing task force was in 2018,

22:43although it wasn't actually formed until

22:44a couple years ago and really had two

22:46objectives. One was to ensure the

22:48availability of city decent and

22:50affordable housing for current future

22:53residents and then specifically to

22:55create housing in locations that

22:58integrity in neighborhoods are

23:00increasing. So really they kind of focus

23:02on

23:05not.

23:08So um the town itself has taken a number

23:14of steps recently to increase affordable

23:17housing. So in July of 2024 based on the

23:20work of the planning commission they

23:22pass what they call unified development

23:24process and that allows both small scale

23:27and housing kind of down here is the in

23:31the village area going out towards you

23:34know

23:36um in August of that year the select

23:38board approved the housing trust fund

23:41that could be used to help close the

23:43financial gaps for long-term affordable

23:45housing and they funded that uh trust

23:48fund with proceeds from the local

23:50auction house in winter of 2025. What

23:54just the current money? So $75,000 there

23:59was 100 I'm going to talk about what

24:01happens$175. I'll talk about that other

24:03100 next. Okay. Uh the winter we held a

24:06program in housing task force called

24:08building better water fair education

24:10series where we reached out to

24:12individual property owners um and tried

24:16to give them knowledge and for community

24:18small scale housing but people

24:21build an ad or a duplex or things like

24:24that. And then in November last year

24:27they launched a program called the

24:28waterberry housing program. This was a

24:30takeoff of the so-called rehab program

24:33at the state level that offered money

24:35for construction of a new housing unit

24:37in exchange for a commitment to 41

24:39housing. So we offered $30,000 grants uh

24:43three of those plus there was a $3,000

24:45administration through the down street.

24:47So that $1,000. So it was funded with

24:50$175. It's still 75.

24:54>> So you're talking about money that went

24:55to Marshall. No, no, no. Down the street

24:58there program there were three AUs that

25:00were developed right here.

25:08>> And in those ADUs that were developed,

25:09there's five.

25:14Um, one of the things I could just say

25:16is that, you know, when we've really lo

25:19on the daily, it's not that we're not

25:22building, we're permaning about 305

25:28should be enough to

25:31not

25:36>> those are permits of just building but

25:38not

25:40permits for single family, multif family

25:43But and if we look especially at this

25:45big family and most of those are up

25:48center most of those are seven figure

25:51sale prices you know um so why I really

25:55like the chip program you'll see through

25:58this is there is a big emphasis on how

26:03to make

26:07um this everyone should know

26:10infrastructure determines where we where

26:12where we develop I mean if we're

26:14developing outside of where we have

26:16water and sewer then we're talking about

26:18getting into septic systems and that's a

26:20whole set of complexity right so um what

26:24the state did is they looked at how to

26:26grow their their infrastructure with

26:30this program it really fits in nice with

26:34the planning direction that we have as a

26:36so we want to concentrate our growth

26:38near existing infrastructure we want to

26:41align the incremental costs to the

26:43development that's actually created and

26:46then we want to protect system users. We

26:48want to make sure that we're testing our

26:49capacity, not overloading our system.

26:51We'll talk about how CHIP and the

26:54process that's being used actually

26:55ensures that we we meet those shorts.

27:00So essentially what it says is the

27:03municipality may use a portion of future

27:06property tax growth from a defined

27:09housing site uh to repay infrastructure

27:12that makes the housing possible. That

27:16repayment happens both from the state

27:18and the municipality. So I'll walk

27:20through that about who contributes what

27:22to that. So it's not so let's talk about

27:25what it's not. It's not a general

27:27infrastructure we're doing work, right?

27:30It's actually very specifically project

27:32based. It's not a townwide tiff

27:34district. Maybe you have heard these tax

27:36increment financing, but we can get a

27:38lot of that. We got grants, you build

27:40infrastructure, and hopefully where you

27:42build it, they will come. It's not that

27:45easy. Um, and what it really is is you

27:49you have a developer who's interested in

27:51developing a site and then we're looking

27:54at creating infrastructure at that at

27:57that site. So, a really good example is

27:59there's a property that's available

28:01right now um for sale. It's 50 acres or

28:05so at the end of the past the parking

28:08lot on street. It's the old historic

28:10Brookside right up there.

28:12>> It's 100 acres. Right.

28:21>> I'm thinking about

28:23>> Okay. But it's that's the first.

28:28So the sewer end the water the sewer end

28:33parking right. So if you were to think

28:35about doing any place there the question

28:39would be can I bring? Okay. So let's

28:42we'll kind of walk through and see how

28:43this

28:45project to happen. But the idea is that

28:48it's really kind of led by it's project

28:50opposed to just

28:54so let me just give a real simple

28:57example of how tax incremented financing

29:00looks. So when you have a lot and say

29:04it's an empty lot right then it has a

29:07pre tax has a tax revenue right as that

29:12lot gets developed over time that

29:14increments that increases till the

29:17construction

29:19right so what chip does is it captures

29:24that increase in the tax revenue and it

29:28uses that increase in the tax revenue

29:31in order to fund infrastructure. So from

29:34a tax point of view, so from a

29:36municipality point of view, right, let's

29:39say

29:40the maximum 20 years, let's use 20 years

29:42as a time. So chip start to chip end

29:44here is 20 years, right?

29:48Then the tax revenue for water would

29:51stay at the level it is now for those 20

29:54years.

29:56after that 20 years it would go up to

29:58whatever the market whatever

30:02the difference between that assessed

30:03value and what pre

30:08value will be captured in order to repay

30:10the infrastructure I'll walk through an

30:12example

30:13but that's the whole idea about tax

30:20you're going to walk through an example

30:22but um the pre devel development value

30:27of the

30:29property and thus the tax revenues

30:31associated with itself

30:34will change over those 20 years. Do you

30:37account for that some expected change?

30:41>> So, so if I've got a piece of property

30:43that's paying say $7,000 in taxes and

30:45the increment as the value of that

30:48property goes up is say $3,000.

30:52>> Okay.

30:53>> Yeah, that is a good question. I don't

30:55know.

30:55>> You don't. Okay.

30:58>> I should have said in the very

30:59beginning, I am not a chip expert.

31:00>> Okay, that's fine.

31:01>> I'm just a guy.

31:04But that's a good question because like

31:07you said, whatever it is now, it's just

31:08going to go. So, I would imagine it's

31:11got to be some way to come out.

31:13>> Okay. Because what you're really trying

31:15to do is capture the incremental value

31:17that comes from the infrastructure

31:19instead of the develop,

31:22>> right? But you don't want to you don't

31:24want to

31:27you don't want to give away so much

31:28money. In other words, for 20 years in

31:30nominal terms, that's one thing. But in

31:32real terms, that's huge issue. Yeah.

31:35>> And infrastructure,

31:37boots, roads, and things.

31:39>> Yeah. So, I'm gonna that

31:42we'll get to it. But yeah,

31:43infrastructure. I mean, obviously waste

31:46water here, but it includes all kind of

31:49infrastructure.

31:50It lighting. It may even be able to

31:53improve public places like parks and

31:55things like that if they're part.

31:58>> So,

32:01so that would that monies would be used

32:03to pay the developers and the

32:06infrastructure costs. Is that

32:09>> would be used to pay back a loan for the

32:12infrastructure costs. who carries out

32:15the

32:17>> okay

32:20several possibilities

32:23does the tax I'm jumping ahead but is is

32:26that incremental revenue that tax is it

32:28ever enough to cover the full

32:30infrastructure costs that's a question I

32:33mean that's a good question this program

32:34was just launched in on January and

32:37we're just now at the state level they

32:40created

32:42because a lot of this is also the state.

32:46>> Yes, I hope so.

32:47>> Um,

32:49so I don't know if we know that and I

32:52don't know if there's actually one

32:53that's expanding. The projects that I

32:55know, interestingly enough, have come

32:57out

32:59as

33:02>> I know that the current soon to be

33:04retired state auditor

33:06looks unfavorably upon tax increment

33:09fin.

33:13He's not even going.

33:18>> Okay, this is

33:19>> so attention. Let's talk a little bit

33:22about the affordability.

33:24This is like

33:26Okay, so the the the increment is paid

33:32actually both by the state and by the

33:36state will pay up to 85%

33:40of that increment. you know, put it back

33:43into a fun.

33:45This is coming out of the education.

33:48Um, the municipality of course because

33:52of that grant piece of that and they can

33:55they can allot what 85 to 100% of that

33:58increment

34:01infrastructure. Okay. Um the amount

34:04that's actually given though depends

34:06upon affordability. So you see it sorry

34:09it's a little bit

34:11affordable rental. So if you go for an

34:13affordable rental affordable owner now

34:15by affordable here they mean less than

34:1880% of area income rentals less than 120

34:22owners. So at least 15% of

34:29you need to meet that criteria. like

34:31they don't meet that criteria

34:34then the payment is only at the seven

34:36cost. Okay. Um you can also pay moderate

34:41income home ownership which is important

34:43up to 150% at least 25% of the units and

34:47then the 85%. Okay. So the amount that

34:52the state is willing to use to repay

34:54that really depends upon the proportion

34:57of affordable housing that it can do.

35:00And by the way, these must be primary

35:03residences. All the people that are

35:05there for rental or home ownership have

35:08to have a primary

35:10rental.

35:12I want to be clear on one thing. Um the

35:15property owners are paying the full

35:18amount of property tax. We're only

35:21talking about how how parts of that tax

35:24are going to be used. Yeah, I want

35:28say that the state is paying you mean

35:30the state is taking state is taking part

35:34but that money is paying for

35:35infrastructure

35:37but the money went to the state now it's

35:39coming back

35:40>> state paying the bill but the owner

35:42>> the owner pay the owner pay

35:44>> just like any other

35:45>> the owner when we went through this the

35:47owner pays that incrementing line every

35:49year I wanted to be clear on that point

35:52yeah

35:53>> right

35:55No, the only break they're getting is

35:57that there's infrastructure for this

35:59property.

35:59>> Yes. They've saved some

36:01>> well the fact that the property can be

36:03developed. Yeah. Yes.

36:06>> All right. So everybody there that this

36:09is how the affordability equation comes

36:11into here and why it's important from

36:13affordability perspective to look at

36:14this.

36:16So I I put this slide together but I

36:19wanted to show

36:21this but would you share the slides?

36:24Well, well, Skip has it.

36:25>> Okay.

36:25>> So, you can still

36:28I'm sorry, but

36:28>> that's all right.

36:29>> What I wanted to show is on the left

36:31hand side is what I would call a base

36:34case, right? So, and the base case is

36:37that 15% of the units must be approved.

36:41And for that 15% of the units, right,

36:45the state will pay 80% 85% of the taxes

36:50to repay the loan. Okay.

36:5385% of the municipal tax increase will

36:56also be used to pay. The developer will

37:01be the one who carries the loan for the

37:03infrastructure.

37:05The infrastructure will be private not

37:07maintained by municipal and then the

37:10zoning is by local

37:12now that's a base case. Now what I'm

37:14trying to explain here is that there are

37:16a number of levers that exist at our

37:21municipality level that could be used in

37:25order to increase the number percentage

37:29of units that are let me walk through

37:32and this isn't recommendation not going

37:35to dis all one time it's really just an

37:38example so you understand the

37:39flexibility okay so let's say that

37:42waterberry wanted to Okay, I want not

37:44just 15%, I want 30%. I want an

37:47additional 15%. And I want to focus on

37:51middle not. So I want rentals up to 100%

37:55of AMI of ownership.

37:59Now for that I can say

38:03100% of the municipal tax

38:07actually increase how much money

38:12the municipality themselves could carry

38:16because tax I mean the the rates the

38:19municipality much much

38:26the municipality could accept the

38:28infrastructure to maintain it on an

38:30ongoing basis. See if the m the

38:32municipalities will take then it becomes

38:34part of a conduit some

38:38right but the municipality say we will

38:41maintain that roads the wastewater

38:43system on an ongoing basis and then

38:46there's also a possibility this comes

38:47with the zoning act if you put a zoning

38:49overlay because there's waste water

38:51there now it allows a zoning overlay the

38:53density so you could actually put up to

38:56five sorry five per so this is important

39:01I don't know if you can ever use all of

39:04them at one time, but but these are the

39:06various levers that the has in order to

39:12convince incentivize the developer to

39:15increase the proportion of your house.

39:22Um so the question that brought up of

39:26potentially eligible capitals wastewater

39:29water and storm water access to site

39:32roads sidewalks crossings

39:35uh also direct provider services um

39:38project sorry direct project services

39:40these all kind of fit into the things

39:42that can be funded ship. Um what can be

39:46funded is actual the operating costs for

39:49that infrastructure of course.

39:51>> Yeah they need to be

39:54this fun. Okay.

40:00>> Let me give an example. This is just a

40:02fictional example of a nice place called

40:04country, right?

40:07It it it basically without the public

40:09wastewater systems with the having

40:11septic, they could do approximately 12

40:13to 16,

40:15but with

40:171200 foot extension of the sewer system,

40:20um they could do 36,

40:23right? So that would mean that at least

40:27nine of those must be nine of those 36

40:30must be

40:33Um, and let's say that there was a 1.6

40:36million

40:41system.

40:50This kind of gives you an example of how

40:53the money, right?

40:58just [clears throat]

41:01makes a little bit better.

41:03>> Yeah, that helps. Both of those does

41:05help.

41:11>> So, the original taxable value is uh

41:16$500,000. The estimated value is 9. So,

41:20the increase is not 8.5, right? This

41:24gives you the municipal rate and then

41:26the state's education rate. And then you

41:29can see here if we just assume the 85%

41:32that on an annual basis uh about 15,000

41:40in constant nominal term I'm

41:43>> yes that's fine. Um, right. But, uh,

41:49it's if you were to take that and then

41:53say, I have this income stream for, um,

41:5820 years, that would mean you would have

42:00this being 1.7.

42:04>> Does that include financing cost?

42:06>> That has to include financing

42:08>> in that.

42:08>> Yeah. Yes. Okay.

42:11>> Um, and so therefore, your estimate of

42:131.6 six would work. So these are just

42:16kind of back of the envelope is gives

42:20you an idea of of how the money thing

42:24gives you an idea is that a big chunk of

42:27it right it's it's coming it's coming

42:30from

42:33you know giving it back to

42:36back

42:39>> which is

42:40>> you know

42:43is short-term perspective crazy longterm

42:46perspective, right? Because if you get

42:49additional

42:53from a short-term perspective though 20

42:56years from now on this particular

42:57product but yes once you get rolling but

43:01>> so I just wanted to kind of give you a

43:03sense um

43:05so let's talk a little bit about kind of

43:10how do we get started on this

43:12>> um

43:14I think you know one of the things

43:16that's going to be important

43:19looking at

43:24um

43:31as it comes to the project review. I

43:33mean what's going to be important is

43:35that I mean you're going to need to

43:36verify

43:42at the housing task force meeting the

43:43chip always tells us infant build we

43:46have right you're going to need to to

43:49look at that I mean because again

43:52hardware

43:54is where's the top you're going to have

43:58to make sure that any type of capital

44:04for the application for each project and

44:08then you're going to need to think about

44:10ownership dies are clear you know

44:16maintain it how's that going right and

44:19the other thing I just want to suggest

44:20is you should think of any other

44:22additional work

44:26before we start giving before the first

44:28project is us. I think we should be

44:32prepared for it to come and say what

44:35other things would we have as a as

44:45>> I think in terms of

44:47and you know crazy a lot of this is

44:49something I need to talk about. So I

44:52started to and I think we

44:55stress this again is

44:57>> they got to really assess their

44:58readiness. You got to assess it from

44:59step

45:01financial knowledge, infrastructure

45:03knowledge. Are are you ready to

45:07definitely should clarify the rel

45:09between the town with regards to not to

45:13creating a chip application. Um we talk

45:16about regard to what creating.

45:20So the one of the things I didn't talk

45:23about was that the municipality is the

45:25one that needs to apply. Well, this is

45:27the municip this is this is very

45:29interesting. Yeah, the mun this EUD is

45:33its own municipality. This gets this

45:35gets really very interesting

45:36>> because number two gets really

45:38>> well number we definitely want to

45:40clarify the roles and also we want to

45:43differentiate amongst all the

45:45infrastructure because some of the

45:47infrastructure is not our

45:48responsibility.

45:50So, so this will be a really interesting

45:53>> just because of the way we're set up,

45:55it'll be a little more complicated, but

45:57yeah. And so, as a consequence, all I

45:59would say is number three should be I

46:02think the town should define its own

46:04ordeal and accept it criteria.

46:06>> So, it's not just EA.

46:08>> Yeah.

46:08>> Yeah.

46:09>> Yeah. No, that's a good good point, Tom,

46:10because we've, you know, we went back to

46:13that example before where I showed you

46:14all of the governance that the town has,

46:16>> right? the most of most of them are the

46:18towns,

46:19>> right? And I you know I guess my message

46:22here comes to the end is that developers

46:23should understand what

46:26we're investing.

46:28>> I mean my concern is that we're going to

46:31get hit with something we're not going

46:34to be ready for it. We're gonna turn it

46:36down and then the developers are gonna

46:38say I'm gonna

46:43>> that part about capacities

46:47said and every flood we get our waste

46:50water flow is going down

46:54>> created and there's

46:57untold water capacity in the way you

47:00calculate it but we if the town was

47:03really interested they could for a

47:07contract with EPUD a certain reserve

47:11capacity that would be set aside that

47:14they could use that would be part of

47:17this

47:18>> well that's one way of going about

47:19>> criteria that they could depend on list

47:23>> that's one way of going about it but and

47:25and that's happy to think about it that

47:28or some other approach but what it what

47:30seems to me is absolutely necessary and

47:33it's been something I've been thinking

47:35about in the last year or so is um

47:40it'd be we ought to spend some time

47:42thinking and it's this room obviously

47:45relates directly to it and Woody I know

47:47does think about this um what is

47:51what do we think the long-term forecast

47:54for the use of water and sewer really

47:56look like

47:59in order to set aside a reserve amount

48:01we'd have some idea what we actually

48:02think is going to happen and just having

48:05some sort of uh outlook and maybe we

48:08have one that I'm just not aware of

48:12about how we would use our existing

48:16surplus I don't even want to call it

48:18surplus capacity existing capacity and

48:21what a forecast any sort of range of

48:26forecasts mean for new

48:30you know new investment

48:33I'm I I think that would be really

48:36helpful

48:38in in order to answer some of the

48:40questions that Joe has asked.

48:42>> Yes. And Woody can attest, I can

48:46remember uh

48:48what 10 or 15 years ago, we were

48:52thinking of having to limit connections

48:56waste water because of the

48:59chemical oxygen demand that we had. We

49:02were stuck to getting that and then we

49:04got the

49:06phosphorus removal that came in and it's

49:09tertiary treatment and all that's gone

49:12away. which is good.

49:14>> So we've gone from not having capacity

49:18to we have more than half of the

49:21capacity

49:23and you look at what the growth we've

49:25kind of experienced in the last it's

49:27pretty our flows go up pretty slow

49:33>> more efficiently.

49:38We've made this sewer system more tight.

49:41>> Exactly.

49:42>> Yeah. I mean, you're in general, you're

49:44probably growing a lot slower than

49:47housing in Waterberry because a lot of

49:49that housing in Waterberry is happening

49:51center.

49:54Um,

49:56one of the things that the task force is

49:59looking to do right now is to to run a

50:04project that says what infrastructure

50:08adjacent areas

50:11are most amenable to

50:14if you can think of your infrastructure

50:17off of anywhere, right? Um but what

50:20we're trying to understand is if we had

50:24we could put a pin on the map and say

50:25develop here where we

50:29part of that has to do with just

50:31geography

50:33planes all of those things come into

50:35play. Um the zoning bylaws come into

50:38play a little bit. Of course you can

50:40change the zoning bylaws, right? You

50:41know, but then the infrastructure costs

50:43will also. Did you just said something

50:46that suggested that uh the chip program

50:50will not

50:53fund housing in flood pins? Is that you

50:56didn't mean that? No, I said part of

50:58what we're have to look at and be saying

51:00where is the best place?

51:01>> Where's the best place? And that could

51:03be it. I mean the answer could be yes

51:06that's developable

51:07>> but the way you said it is the

51:09difference.

51:09>> No you take those things into consider

51:12when we think about this project we have

51:14to take geography into consideration. We

51:16have to take infrastructure into

51:17consideration.

51:18>> I didn't think that that would be

51:25anyway the Vermont League of Cities and

51:28Towns has done a lot of really great

51:30work in terms of making this whole

51:33program more approachable. A lot of this

51:35material that I should be coming from

51:39go through that sometime because I do

51:42think you know it's going to be the

51:45municipality they need to think about

51:46what's the process who runs that process

51:48who coordinates it right you know I have

51:51I can talk to the board about this and I

51:53do want to talk to them at a high level

51:55and say you got to be clear about what

51:58you're willing to accept what you're not

51:59willing to accept but I think once the

52:01cruises come in your office, you know.

52:04>> Yeah.

52:06And what that information is a readiness

52:10done assessment talk about.

52:14>> Yeah.

52:14>> Are you expecting that, not to use an

52:18obvious metaphor, are you expecting a

52:20flood of applications?

52:22>> Um, not a flood of applications. No. Um,

52:27so I mean the two projects that the town

52:29is looking at right

52:36>> I don't know whether the

52:38>> no no sewer on Woody Avenue

52:43>> it's close enough but

52:44>> right so that could be yes that could be

52:46the project that comes

52:49>> there's no sewer on the avenue itself

52:51>> no the sewer for high streets runs

52:53behind the high streets

52:54houses and Whistle Mountain has one that

52:57ties into the school, right?

52:58>> So, it's it's just

53:00okay.

53:04>> It's still a capacity issue for us. So

53:06yes,

53:07>> the biggest advantage to a developer is

53:11that there's significant infant

53:14>> right that you know they're going to

53:17have to pay back with a loan or

53:20something and that this would help but

53:22you look at Stanley Watson

53:26pretty small infrastructure.

53:30>> [clears throat]

53:30>> So are are you here today to urge us to

53:34start thinking about

53:37the immediate thing is we're dealing

53:39acceptance criteria.

53:41>> Okay. And you're going to say the same

53:43thing to the select with this.

53:46Are you going do you have uh do you have

53:48any

53:50how do I put it? Can you help us do

53:53that?

53:55Are there

53:57>> we certainly have our ideas and these

53:59folks have been around for 30 some odd

54:01years. They they know what to but I

54:05dissect you to say but when I presented

54:08it's like that's a great idea we we

54:11count we test the housing task force for

54:14coming up with a document for us to to

54:17review and improve. Right. So

54:19>> kind of like Joseph in this amazing

54:20tech.

54:21>> So it's going to come back.

54:23>> Yes. And of course what we'll be

54:24thinking about more is those various

54:27levers what kind of affordable housing

54:29how much we'll be thinking more about

54:31that. I don't know that we have

54:33technical knowledge to go through

54:36[clears throat] to discuss.

54:37>> No right but we can always I can always

54:41sit down and kind of

54:42>> well has any other have any other

54:45municipalities developed their review

54:48acceptance criteria? I don't know

54:52because the LCT is just but again there

54:56are projects that have made it up to

54:58this date but the ones that I know about

55:02I mean are

55:04so so I've been looking for ones that

55:05have to look at

55:07>> and my concern and listening to this

55:11with the time is do we have enough

55:14administrative capacity here at the

55:17library to

55:20put the effort into this and make it

55:22work. I think we're pretty personnel

55:26like in terms of

55:29staffing and things over the years. So,

55:31is is there really a enough to

55:36make it work and spend the time on

55:39>> Well, you can imagine with any state

55:41program, there's a flood of consultants

55:43who are raising their hands saying, "I

55:45can help you with that."

55:47Um, and I did hear this morning I met

55:50with Wineburger from Westfield Homes and

55:53he said that the Vermont Community

55:55Foundation is starting to make some

55:56money available.

55:59So, I'll keep you updated on that.

56:02>> But you're right. I I think it's still

56:03an issue with that capacity

56:06not capacity

56:08capacity and how

56:11>> okay you know and also I

56:16working on this task force we tried to

56:18promote AB things and kind of slow

56:22progress but 51 South Main Street is

56:26just kind of boiling up and stuff and uh

56:30I heard an apartment where the applicant

56:35got accepted at 51 South Main Street. He

56:38saves $300 on his monthly rent.

56:42>> That's great.

56:43>> So, the owners renovated it and raised

56:46the rent looking for, you know, somebody

56:49that can move in and they make more

56:51money. So, you didn't really gain any

56:55>> affordable housing.

56:57Just moved.

57:00Yeah. So, but let's see.

57:04>> How many ADUs did we sort of add?

57:07>> Well, we had a three with our

57:09>> three,

57:10>> but they're only for five years, right?

57:15>> Yeah.

57:16>> Yeah. You can't make it perfect, too.

57:17>> By the way, this isn't imperfect. This

57:19is only by those compliments on the

57:22affordability.

57:31>> Could be a good thing.

57:36>> Joe, could I get you just to flip back

57:38to like the first or second screen?

57:40There was something I was looking at for

57:42my notes. I think it was on the first

57:44screen.

57:48H.

57:50>> Oh,

57:53>> was there a screen before that?

57:55>> Maybe it was the second one.

58:02>> No, it was that for uh page two,

58:05>> was it?

58:06>> No, one before. Thank you.

58:09>> Well, the reason people build

58:12>> because money doing that. All you really

58:14have to do is have a subsidy financing

58:17financial support system that makes it

58:19comparably

58:21profitable to build small houses.

58:26>> Thank you.

58:28>> 10 acre lot

58:32more money have fewer cost.

58:40I was going to ask you, so how does the

58:41rule work? If uh somebody goes and bills

58:44for a project that's a mile out of town,

58:47somebody two miles out of town wants to

58:51put would hook up to it. Did they

58:55compensate the first person who I mean

58:59they handed it over to us at a certain

59:01point still can they get compensated for

59:05you know we don't do that.

59:07>> No. Yeah.

59:08>> In other words,

59:09>> you'll build it and we'll maintain it.

59:12>> Well, right. But if somebody else comes

59:13in avenue case, so I build I build an

59:17extension

59:19and it cost $200,000

59:22and somebody else comes along and

59:24extends from my extension

59:27two years later. Does that is there not

59:30some means of of that person now

59:34covering part of the cost of buying the

59:37first extension? That's how actually how

59:39it works in the

59:39>> fact we had that exact problem with the

59:42water line going down by where the flea

59:45market was.

59:46>> Question is once if they build it and

59:47they maintain ownership of it, they can

59:49control it.

59:50>> They can do whatever they want.

59:51>> But once we maintain ownership of it, we

59:53get our money on our redemption fee. But

59:57none of that goes to the previous the

59:59builder.

59:59>> Right. Right. In the electric side,

1:00:03there's actually a line extension policy

1:00:05that allows for that. It goes for like

1:00:07eight years. It depends on

1:00:09>> Yeah.

1:00:10>> But that's fair enough. Okay.

1:00:12>> See, water gives and water tanks. You

1:00:15didn't like us setting the different

1:00:17rate per hour. [laughter]

1:00:19>> I still don't like and we'll talk about

1:00:21that at another time. And here we we're

1:00:24not going to let you collect any money

1:00:26from extending your connecting off here.

1:00:29>> Is there a public policy reason not to

1:00:35know reason?

1:00:38>> There'd be a there'd be a public policy

1:00:39reason in fact to enable

1:00:44the first extending extender to recover

1:00:47some money for just what you were

1:00:48saying.

1:00:49>> He doesn't have to turn it over to us.

1:00:51But if he does,

1:00:52>> but if he does,

1:00:58>> there you go. Okay.

1:01:03>> The other complicating thing in the

1:01:06housing is conversion to the Airbnbs.

1:01:11>> I don't know. We found out where the

1:01:13next is. I know you and Cheryl have been

1:01:17discussing how they finally get

1:01:19information out, but we have to get

1:01:21better information.

1:01:22>> Yeah. So, Cheryl is working on it, but

1:01:24she's in the very beginning stages of

1:01:26where it's been. So, hopefully we can

1:01:29update soon.

1:01:33>> But I think besides I mean certainly we

1:01:35have to think about project we might get

1:01:39a project that

1:01:42Yeah.

1:01:45That'll be a different thing over there.

1:01:51So the town would need to designate this

1:01:55Kelly property or whatever you're there

1:01:59as an area that they wanted

1:02:03develop housing in which would trigger

1:02:06the beginning of

1:02:07>> well there need would need to be a

1:02:09developer come and buy that my option on

1:02:14it and I want to develop housing here

1:02:18and then start to lay out the housing

1:02:20plans and then come to the town and

1:02:22request a check project for the

1:02:25infrastructure and town

1:02:27>> and then come for the same

1:02:31>> well I mean that's yes for the same but

1:02:34the guys have to talk about process

1:02:38I mean you want to have a coordinate

1:02:40coordin that's one thing right but I'm

1:02:43only just saying again because we are a

1:02:45separate municipality

1:02:48have to be aware

1:02:54that property got

1:02:57property that's for sale. So,

1:02:59>> oh,

1:03:01Netflix

1:03:05would certainly qualify as a major

1:03:10I don't know what it would cost to get

1:03:12the sewer down.

1:03:15For that to happen, for us to extend the

1:03:20sewer in that fashion, it means that we

1:03:22would be expanding our municipal

1:03:26municipal.

1:03:27>> We don't we don't have to we can serve

1:03:31outside the district,

1:03:33>> water and sewers like

1:03:35>> if we really want if [clears throat] you

1:03:36like. Yeah. We're already serving water,

1:03:39I understand, but we we have yet to

1:03:41serve as in the village ch. Okay.

1:03:46>> Put it in. It's not any

1:03:48>> Oh, so that we don't have So there's not

1:03:50an impetus then for us to expand our

1:03:52bound. We can still do we can

1:03:55>> I can still serve without

1:03:57>> Okay.

1:03:58>> The old village cher you had to be in

1:04:00the village.

1:04:01>> But would we but under those conditions

1:04:03would we ever take ownership of the

1:04:06infrastructure?

1:04:07>> Yeah.

1:04:08>> Do we own any infrastructure outside our

1:04:10municipal?

1:04:10>> The water lines are outside the water

1:04:13plant.

1:04:13>> That's true. And just that's true but

1:04:15they

1:04:15>> and the district the wastewater system

1:04:19was outside the village till we

1:04:21expanded. Yeah, that's that's fair. I

1:04:24just

1:04:24>> We can own property outside.

1:04:26>> I I know that. Yeah. No, I just want to

1:04:29be

1:04:29>> Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Fine.

1:04:33>> If you wait till the end of the meeting,

1:04:34we may have water at say a week.

1:04:39>> I have questions. Um could

1:04:44actually

1:04:48say that again. Can we do the Can we

1:04:50write the paper?

1:04:52for for the infrastructure to get paid

1:04:54back because right now it's the

1:04:57developer could set up that a developer

1:04:59could do it, the municipality could do

1:05:01it or a sponsor

1:05:03>> and the payback would be from the

1:05:05state's tax.

1:05:07>> We could we just never done that. There

1:05:10was nothing to prevent us from designing

1:05:13a sewer line and bonding for it. Yeah,

1:05:16it would be require the vote bond vote

1:05:20>> if we bonded for it.

1:05:23>> You don't really have to. Yeah,

1:05:24>> you don't have to bond for it,

1:05:26>> right?

1:05:26>> Necessarily,

1:05:28>> but then you're risking.

1:05:30>> Yes.

1:05:30>> You know, we build it and who's going to

1:05:32connect your money.

1:05:35>> That's why it has to be it has to be

1:05:38there needs to be a good amount.

1:05:40>> Oh Absolutely. That's why we

1:05:43always

1:05:44let the development because he's got the

1:05:47best interest in

1:05:49>> selling his houses and getting his money

1:05:51back.

1:05:52>> Yeah. I'm not necessarily interested in

1:05:54becoming,

1:05:56you know, that but yeah,

1:06:02>> so they're still looking at Stanley

1:06:05Watson as possibly a tip project. I

1:06:09don't think there's any discussion about

1:06:11I mean

1:06:13I I don't think Stanley Watson said it

1:06:15was I mean there's less wastewater

1:06:18infrastructure going some things like

1:06:21that but you know I didn't realize that

1:06:25the

1:06:27so that depending on how that could be

1:06:33function

1:06:39So now you know when chips is next.

1:06:47>> Thank you. Any questions?

1:06:49>> So when are you speaking to the sliporn

1:06:51again?

1:06:53October

1:06:57>> the same presentation.

1:07:00>> Uh I won't go through all

1:07:03but I'll probably go through that last

1:07:05slide.

1:07:06>> Yeah.

1:07:12>> Joe graciously stayed for this meeting

1:07:14because he's going on vacation tomorrow.

1:07:22Good. Good to meet you.

1:07:38>> Um,

1:07:41next up was

1:07:44job descriptions. Job description for

1:07:47the uh

1:07:49the fun district clerk and treasures

1:07:51that money had put together.

1:07:53>> I think I only did a clerk one for you.

1:07:55>> Yeah, only the clerk. Yeah.

1:08:01>> Did you just do this or you kind of

1:08:08>> off the top of your head or you work on

1:08:09it or

1:08:11>> um

1:08:12>> We saw this last time. Last

1:08:15>> No, I don't think we did. I think I did

1:08:16it right after last meeting and may have

1:08:18sent it out quickly.

1:08:20>> Oh, okay. I think I had read it the

1:08:22minute.

1:08:22>> Yeah, I just it was fresh on my head.

1:08:32And a lot of it is similar to what a

1:08:34town clerk does obviously.

1:08:47>> Yeah. So to try to put some framework

1:08:49towards

1:08:51with the description to put this out

1:08:53like it sounds pretty like wildly a lot

1:08:57and there are a lot of responsibilities

1:09:01but the time to do

1:09:05everything isn't all at once and it's

1:09:07kind of random.

1:09:09So there's there's kind of framework

1:09:12from a perspective for someone to look

1:09:14at a better look at what time commitment

1:09:19being a part time

1:09:23would be as needed. What what could that

1:09:26look like? It's very cumbersome to try

1:09:28to do that in posting, but it easy to

1:09:31come up with,

1:09:33you know, typical elections, you know,

1:09:36election years.

1:09:38um annual meetings. So those are these

1:09:41are the repeats that are surefired

1:09:44timelines that have to be available for

1:09:46education

1:09:50>> just to help break it down to make it

1:09:52more

1:09:54>> I try calling three other cls in the

1:09:57region

1:10:02if

1:10:02>> it's the And

1:10:11>> the 200 hours a year

1:10:15at concentrated times to

1:10:22>> Yeah. And when there's a special bond

1:10:24vote, we're posting all of the notices

1:10:27and arranging the meeting and attending

1:10:29the meeting that accumulates into a span

1:10:32of two weeks or and two weeks time of

1:10:37attention

1:10:39things like that. So

1:10:46>> yeah, I think it's very difficult to put

1:10:48time commitment on it. realize you've

1:10:50been operating without a clerk for five

1:10:52months.

1:10:56>> They would have been on vacation.

1:10:59>> How often you vote on the annual is

1:11:02annual

1:11:03>> but if something special comes up it's

1:11:05obviously special. Um as you know some

1:11:09of your elections are 25 people

1:11:14some more. Yeah. So um yeah

1:11:18>> but still that that that process is

1:11:23it runs a course

1:11:25>> of preparation days the actual voting

1:11:29day yeah how much time during the um

1:11:35absentee ballot

1:11:37I don't know that month and then being

1:11:39available for mail and all of that

1:11:43>> plus yeah

1:11:46>> oh yes that's such a little point to

1:11:49Smith,

1:11:52>> which

1:11:54when we get to the RFP,

1:11:58we talked about some of those things,

1:12:01they might recommend we change in our

1:12:03chart,

1:12:05>> not requiring the clerk and treasure to

1:12:08be

1:12:10um a district,

1:12:13right? authorized the commissioners to

1:12:16hire someone to do.

1:12:25Um,

1:12:28do you want to

1:12:31do some comments and try to expand a

1:12:35little bit on this about the duties and

1:12:38then

1:12:38>> Yeah, I wouldn't mind doing that.

1:12:40>> Worth advertising it. Um,

1:12:43>> yeah, that $3,000. Well, the longer we

1:12:48wait, that $3,000 is

1:12:523,000 for six months versus 3,000 for

1:12:55year.

1:12:57That's another thing. $3,000 is

1:13:04pay for your ass. What you're asking

1:13:06them to do? Well, we might realize we

1:13:09have to raise

1:13:11>> that's that's fine. But, um, yeah, I'm

1:13:15ready to I'm ready to have it, you know,

1:13:18posted

1:13:20with with with whatever Natalie and

1:13:23Woody work out.

1:13:25>> Maybe to bring

1:13:27I could try to map out a few little

1:13:29things and I can talk to you.

1:13:41>> Just Well, it's it's in there. It's at

1:13:43the bottom.

1:13:44>> The last one.

1:13:47>> What is it?

1:13:49[laughter]

1:13:51>> Yeah, but I I don't need to see it again

1:13:53in order for it to be posted. That's

1:13:56what you're asking. These are

1:13:59>> um

1:14:02you know it could be it could be posted

1:14:04and said we could also add um a

1:14:09part of posting

1:14:14any certainly in an interview we'd be

1:14:17discussed we'd have to be prepared to

1:14:19discuss a little bit of these nuances of

1:14:21timelines but if we come up with

1:14:22something that we could add to

1:14:25um provide a

1:14:29estimate.

1:14:32>> Well, we are charging you to do that.

1:14:35>> Great.

1:14:36Mold this over death. Okay.

1:14:40>> A couple sentences on the treasure. What

1:14:42are we

1:14:44>> Oh, treasure

1:14:45>> expecting to do.

1:14:48Well, treasure is a little bit

1:14:51well

1:14:53>> that has timelines too, but that's a

1:14:55little more concrete of tasks. Well,

1:14:59these are all tasks, too. Trevor has a

1:15:02monthly, you know, bank statement, you

1:15:05know, reviews and quarterly statements.

1:15:08>> So, we looking for this person to be the

1:15:12oral treasur or we're going to

1:15:14advertise. I would imagine we would have

1:15:17I see myself I see a treasure being

1:15:22we have the opportunity to look at

1:15:23someone that specifically with

1:15:25accounting

1:15:27you know background

1:15:30>> and you know we get lucky if somebody

1:15:32wants to do both we can smash them

1:15:34together but I think treasurer

1:15:36>> let me write up a treasurer one and

1:15:38we'll we'll do that one

1:15:41and I'll write up a combined

1:15:46Yeah,

1:15:47>> look at that. I mean, as I said, we're

1:15:499,000, so I think we need that.

1:15:52>> So, is Bill still doing all

1:15:55>> Bill's doing some treasure stuff? Yeah.

1:15:59>> How does that work with um pay? Is it a

1:16:05hourly?

1:16:06>> He differentiates his time between town.

1:16:13Okay. So, you'll work on

1:16:16treasure and additional comments about

1:16:21>> and the combined blood.

1:16:24It's not like it's urgent.

1:16:39Sorry. So, did you get that file?

1:16:42>> Well, there's no motion, right?

1:16:45>> No motion.

1:16:45>> Well, no, but Woody is gonna

1:16:50>> Bill will write up the treasurer's

1:16:51description along with a combined clerk

1:16:54treasurer job description.

1:16:55>> Yes. Yeah.

1:16:57>> Yeah.

1:17:06>> Corrections to the EU annual report.

1:17:10>> Yeah. So Bob has

1:17:15>> couple pages.

1:17:16>> Yeah. And we handled

1:17:21>> and that that is a spreadsheet

1:17:25>> type looking thing.

1:17:30>> Do you want to explain what you done and

1:17:33how I guess my question how does this

1:17:36differ from what's in the annual report

1:17:40now?

1:17:41Well, the annual report didn't have the

1:17:44water and

1:17:45the uh

1:17:48oversight

1:17:50page 22, 23, and 24.

1:17:54So um

1:17:57then we had um there's this erratic

1:18:00system of naming the United Fund United

1:18:04Fund this United Fund that the U

1:18:10and then there was money that was

1:18:13grinded out of the balances

1:18:16saying to water and sewer. Now, water

1:18:19and sewer isn't anything except water

1:18:23and sewer counts. And if you search the

1:18:26budget for the water and sewer, the

1:18:30money that came out of water and sewer

1:18:34didn't show up there. And what it did

1:18:36show up was in

1:18:39the change in the balance of accounts.

1:18:47If you knew what you're looking for, you

1:18:49could find it. And I u

1:18:53but it

1:18:56this here that

1:19:02woke up to it points to the fact that

1:19:04the out the water insurer is gone to

1:19:10fund balance accounts

1:19:14accounts.

1:19:16Um,

1:19:18so do you type all this yourself? No, I

1:19:21went through a couple of uh renditions.

1:19:23The uh I guess Woody type the it was

1:19:28however

1:19:29Microsoft Word formatted document got me

1:19:34and some people like to use more

1:19:38features of word like [laughter]

1:19:41Exactly.

1:19:42So, but I I bought it to a standstill

1:19:45there and there's one or two editorial

1:19:48changes that are made to the written

1:19:51narration number

1:19:54so they fit into the bill space and not

1:19:59number.

1:20:03Um,

1:20:07>> but everything's this you're good about

1:20:10this. Yeah, the

1:20:12>> what do you and Woody does too.

1:20:13>> I haven't reviewed it in completely, but

1:20:16the big takeaway I had was that the

1:20:19village report misses page three,

1:20:21>> right?

1:20:22>> You know, which is, you know, $1.5

1:20:24million or so.

1:20:27>> Bob seems to be concerned about

1:20:31>> Yeah. and I was able to finally track

1:20:33down uh first quarter 26

1:20:39uh annual reports annual reports

1:20:43but from that I could back into the

1:20:47year.

1:20:48>> Oh good. So the um

1:20:51before I I said that this is this is the

1:20:54right thing. I wanted to see if it

1:20:55actually has some.

1:20:58>> So

1:21:00>> well I'm just I I'll take a closer look

1:21:03at it but it looks fine to me. I would

1:21:05make one change.

1:21:08No, no, you no. It's actually It's

1:21:11actually correct, but because it's EUAD,

1:21:14it gets confusing. The last sentence in

1:21:16the last paragraph before all the

1:21:18numbers says, "Please call the municipal

1:21:21manager if you have questions." The

1:21:23manager of Ephunic,

1:21:26yes, but I would say district manager so

1:21:29that it becomes clear.

1:21:30>> Is that okay?

1:21:31>> That's great.

1:21:32>> Absolutely. Thank you.

1:21:34Is that what was in the annual report

1:21:37that year?

1:21:40>> Well, let's change it anyway.

1:21:42>> Well, no, but I was curious whether

1:21:46>> Yeah, I don't know.

1:21:55>> But thank you very much, Bob, for doing

1:21:57this.

1:21:59>> Yeah, I know. Reports are so tiny.

1:22:02Yeah,

1:22:03>> people hate reading.

1:22:06[laughter]

1:22:07>> Oh, you mean the actual

1:22:13>> last fall was a difficult time.

1:22:27Okay.

1:22:28>> You got enough room for EU district

1:22:31manager.

1:22:35>> Well, that would if that's the case, you

1:22:37want to say EU manager. You don't want

1:22:38to say eudion.

1:22:43Is that what we need?

1:22:45Well, there's a part of the job is what

1:22:48we're going to do is now

1:22:50>> it says in here what we're going to do

1:22:52is publicly notice it and have

1:23:02>> that public notice be what would that

1:23:04look like? Isn't it like a standard?

1:23:07>> Those are pretty expensive.

1:23:12>> In our paper of choice, which was the

1:23:15Times Artist.

1:23:16>> So So this is being noticed um

1:23:23I guess it I guess you want to be broad,

1:23:25but you know the people that came to our

1:23:26meeting were you know whatever 15 people

1:23:30or something.

1:23:32>> They

1:23:35We could instruct Ka just to mail one to

1:23:38every that might be cheaper than putting

1:23:40a notice or

1:23:43>> or we could

1:23:44>> send it to everybody who came to the

1:23:46annual meeting

1:23:49>> and post it on our website

1:23:53>> and

1:23:54>> actually don't we have a problem here?

1:23:55Article one of our annual meeting is to

1:23:59act on the reports of the officers of

1:24:00the Edward Flora utility district. Does

1:24:03that mean that any amendment to the

1:24:04report has to be approved by the voters?

1:24:07>> I

1:24:11it may somebody say so. How about that?

1:24:14>> Okay. Well, um I I'm all for making the

1:24:17report available, saying these are

1:24:19corrections to the annual report, but we

1:24:22want to ask ourselves whether at some

1:24:24point or another this needs to be voted

1:24:26on by the by, you know, we can wait

1:24:28until the next annual meeting to do it.

1:24:31But the first article says to act on the

1:24:34reports.

1:24:35>> So,

1:24:36>> and they acted on reports that were

1:24:39we're not now trying to adjust

1:24:42>> because they voted.

1:24:43>> Yeah. Yeah. We can't change.

1:24:45>> But we can't change. So we need So we

1:24:47could actually wait right till next.

1:24:50>> Well, we should get it out there and say

1:24:51and say these are amendments to the

1:24:54annual report uh

1:24:57>> for public review and they will be acted

1:25:00on at our next annual meeting.

1:25:03>> If somebody says we think we should have

1:25:05a special meeting, then we'll take that

1:25:06up. But

1:25:08>> I think the short call to our attorney.

1:25:10>> Yes.

1:25:12That's good.

1:25:14>> Yeah, please.

1:25:14>> Very good. That's

1:25:16>> That'll save Kai having

1:25:19people. [laughter]

1:25:21>> There were only 15 people there as

1:25:23Natalie said.

1:25:25>> Easy peasy. I can do that in the next

1:25:27hour.

1:25:28>> We'd still have to back. But yes.

1:25:31>> All right.

1:25:33>> So, if you make the phone call

1:25:35>> Yep.

1:25:36>> But otherwise,

1:25:38>> great. And you've got the

1:25:41>> Yes. Thank you.

1:25:43>> So, Bill, you're going to make a phone

1:25:44call to the lawyers.

1:25:47>> Yes.

1:25:48>> And report at our next meeting, I guess,

1:25:50would be

1:25:51>> to find out the best way or required way

1:25:55to make an amendment.

1:25:58>> Say that again, Rick, or Skip.

1:26:02>> Find out the best way to make an

1:26:04amendment to the information in the

1:26:07report.

1:26:09It does go correctly.

1:26:14[laughter]

1:26:18>> Thank you very much.

1:26:20>> So, at this point, there's no motion

1:26:22being made for anything. Okay. Got it.

1:26:27>> We want to amend it.

1:26:30>> Okay. We're a little bit behind

1:26:31schedule, but I want to get out by seven

1:26:33because

1:26:34>> yeah,

1:26:35>> just want you to know

1:26:37>> 50 What happened 50 years ago today?

1:26:41Does anybody know what happened 50 years

1:26:43ago today?

1:26:44>> What's the date? September

1:26:46>> 9th. 1976.

1:26:48About two hours ago. 50 years ago. is

1:26:52when they landed on the moon. [laughter]

1:26:56>> It's when I met the woman who would want

1:26:59to become my wife.

1:27:01>> So, we've got a little date. We have a

1:27:03we have a date.

1:27:05>> I didn't expect you to.

1:27:06>> And now everybody who's gonna listen to

1:27:08Peg Access is going to know.

1:27:12>> It's [laughter]

1:27:14a little

1:27:16>> Some of these are going to be quick. I'm

1:27:18not particularly sentimental, but this

1:27:20was nice.

1:27:21>> Next up was the draft RFP.

1:27:24>> Yeah,

1:27:26>> Kathleen Ram Ramsey.

1:27:28>> Ramsey.

1:27:29>> Um,

1:27:31>> she used to be a town manager.

1:27:33>> No, it's it's we had the name wrong.

1:27:39>> It was a former manager in middle.

1:27:42>> Yes. Which is, by the way, where I met

1:27:45my wife 50 years ago. Oh, are you going?

1:27:48>> No, we're going to the black.

1:27:52>> Um,

1:27:53>> so we had met with her and I first um

1:27:58emailed with her and things. She thought

1:28:00we wanted to look at a merger study

1:28:03>> and I quickly

1:28:05shared that it wasn't a merger study.

1:28:08We've been down that road many times and

1:28:10I shared the

1:28:14annual report for the village for 2018

1:28:18and all the times we she caught right on

1:28:22and as you can see in the

1:28:26background of the RFP that she

1:28:29summarized that pretty well. I think she

1:28:32caught on really

1:28:35we met

1:28:36>> two weeks ago with him.

1:28:38>> Yeah.

1:28:38>> And within a day or sooner we had the

1:28:42revision and she understood what this I

1:28:45felt like she really got it.

1:28:47>> So I'm I'm very happy with the

1:28:52>> Yeah. Did you read through it or

1:28:56>> Yeah, it's good. Um

1:29:00he's got a narrow path.

1:29:05You know, we talked about uh

1:29:09you know, two issues. One was the voter

1:29:12issue that we've kind of heard that

1:29:15people using water outside the district

1:29:18don't get to vote and that's a legal

1:29:20reason because they're not in the

1:29:22district. Plus, we vote on water and

1:29:25sewer issues. They don't use the sewers.

1:29:29So

1:29:30>> could kind of clarify that in other

1:29:33words.

1:29:34We just talked about the clerk treasure

1:29:37position that [laughter]

1:29:41the restrictions that they live in the

1:29:43village that

1:29:46Jim Barlo had said if we want to hire a

1:29:49treasure that lives outside the village

1:29:52the way the charter is, we'd have to

1:29:55hold a special district meeting and get

1:29:57the voters

1:29:59that or we could change the charter

1:30:03which uh

1:30:05would take that restriction off and that

1:30:08would say that the commissioners could

1:30:11hire a clerk and treasurer

1:30:15not to put the pay in the

1:30:18$3,000

1:30:21so that they would look at recommending

1:30:24those changes to the charter to make the

1:30:28district to be

1:30:31not necessarily more efficient but more

1:30:33effective. it easier to deal with. There

1:30:35were a couple of things that we talked

1:30:38about and having a uh you know short

1:30:42public meeting to let people make

1:30:45comments and stuff too. And

1:30:47>> that's great.

1:30:48>> She did follow up with a couple of

1:30:52emails to Rick and I about uh whether

1:30:56you put in a budget for the proposal or

1:31:00you don't. She used AI to run off the

1:31:05advantages and disadvantages of putting

1:31:08the budget in there. Um because if you

1:31:13put the budget in, there are people that

1:31:15are going to max it out anyway.

1:31:18Those that don't. So she suggested

1:31:22in a follow-up email a range of 10 to

1:31:2520,000

1:31:27to do the study which gives somebody

1:31:31who wants to be a little more creative

1:31:34they can use more you know funds to do

1:31:37what they want or somebody can you know

1:31:41it get so

1:31:46so I don't know where you folks are

1:31:48whether you

1:31:51would let Rick and I work with

1:31:55Kathleen to kind of make any comments

1:31:59and things and changes to this. And uh

1:32:03there's a VLTC website that it can be

1:32:06posted on where

1:32:10she gave us a list of what five

1:32:12potential

1:32:14consultants who could do this. One is

1:32:16Karen Horn which longtime legislative

1:32:20employee that has a consulting business

1:32:24two or three others that were local. So

1:32:28um there may be others. Yeah. I mean,

1:32:30you put it out there and anybody could

1:32:35see. So she would help us post it in a

1:32:39time frame to do it proposed

1:32:45[clears throat] when I don't know

1:32:46whether you want to who to authorize

1:32:48Rick and I to work with

1:32:52the BLTC to get the R&P posted and I

1:32:57would suggest we do the 10 to$20,000

1:33:01budget. I like having a budget range,

1:33:04but I

1:33:07I'd actually make the range I'd make the

1:33:09top end of the range higher. I would

1:33:12>> I don't know what

1:33:15the fee is or

1:33:16>> but go with 20. If somebody comes back

1:33:18and says everything you're asking for

1:33:20really cost 30, I think we remember

1:33:22that. But but I [clears throat]

1:33:26>> past experience shows whatever you put

1:33:28for the top number, most of your RFPs

1:33:30are coming in close.

1:33:31>> That's right. Of course. Does that apply

1:33:34to construction projects?

1:33:36>> Well, if you if you say we're putting

1:33:38out an RFP for up to, you know, 30,000,

1:33:41right? You get a lot of RFPs in the 29

1:33:44and change.

1:33:46>> Fair enough.

1:33:48>> So, do you think you shouldn't do a

1:33:49range?

1:33:49>> No, I think you got to have something in

1:33:51there to let people know what level of

1:33:54>> effort they got to put into it.

1:33:56>> Have you had experiences with RFPs or

1:33:59>> uh Yeah, quite a bit. In fact, um it's

1:34:03definitely interesting because typically

1:34:04what I found on the state side and this

1:34:08is not building projects or anything. Uh

1:34:11it is more like a vendor uh RFP and

1:34:14stuff like that. Um is we would get a

1:34:17range within what we put. Um we never

1:34:20got someone who would submit above

1:34:23because they thought that was

1:34:24disqualifying.

1:34:25Um, but some would try to pitch as low

1:34:28as they could, hoping that that's what

1:34:30our main criteria was cost. Um, and then

1:34:34some people definitely wanted to milk

1:34:36the cow and normally we'd have one or

1:34:39two in the middle that seemed to be a

1:34:41good fit. Um, but

1:34:47>> recommendation to give a range.

1:34:49>> Yeah, I would definitely give a range.

1:34:50If you guys are willing to go up to 30,

1:34:52I would maybe say 10 to 25.

1:34:55um that would give you more range to get

1:34:59somebody who has higher skills, more

1:35:00creativity.

1:35:01>> I think some of the I think I think some

1:35:03of the legal background stuff and some

1:35:06of the financial stuff just will take a

1:35:08little bit more time. That's that's a

1:35:10lot.

1:35:11>> Yeah, that's another thing she did to

1:35:13look at our what she call it financial

1:35:18>> picture.

1:35:19But she did also say that this was are

1:35:22we agreeing that this is a planning

1:35:26study planning oriented

1:35:29um scope of work rather than a deta not

1:35:33a detailed legal or engineering study

1:35:36>> but there is certain

1:35:39>> and legal the person has to understand

1:35:42that we're a municipality

1:35:43>> right and they've got that so

1:35:54>> So do you want to just pass

1:35:56>> 10 to no

1:35:58>> 10 to 25.

1:36:01>> Okay. We would keep the

1:36:04>> Our motion at the annual meeting was it

1:36:07comes out of our

1:36:12>> so that whatever we pay that's where

1:36:18>> you want to move then you authorize Rick

1:36:21and I to work with Kathleen Ramsey

1:36:25to get the RFP

1:36:28posted with a

1:36:31range of 10 to 25,000.

1:36:35Was there anything in the original

1:36:38>> just so did you did you get that ty

1:36:41>> Was there anything in the original

1:36:42motion that said

1:36:43>> oh you mean the annual report the annual

1:36:47number

1:36:49>> where did we go

1:36:51two years ago because that's when the

1:36:52motion was made

1:36:54>> it's not the most recent

1:36:55>> that's not that one

1:36:57>> did we talk about it like did we just

1:36:59must be in there a refresh of what we

1:37:01said there's

1:37:02>> we don't remember the discussion

1:37:05>> [laughter]

1:37:05>> No, I don't know. But in this annual

1:37:07report, this one, didn't we discuss it?

1:37:12>> I should be able to pull it up right

1:37:14now.

1:37:17>> That's it. That's the most

1:37:21>> Well, it's

1:37:23the last minutes are in here.

1:37:25>> Oh, yeah. Yeah. We'll take a look. Take

1:37:27a look in the minutes

1:37:29of that meeting.

1:37:33See if I can find it faster than

1:37:35[clears throat]

1:37:36>> everybody.

1:37:38>> Out of curiosity, you guys have a

1:37:42>> district would create an RFP anticipates

1:37:44a budget of roughly $25,000.

1:37:48>> I'm not saying.

1:37:49>> Oh my god. Touche.

1:37:50>> Okay. It says the motion was for roughly

1:37:54$25,000.

1:37:56>> Very good.

1:37:57>> So want to say 10 to 25.

1:37:59>> Yeah, that's that's roughly. Yeah, we're

1:38:01going rough on the low end. Lower.

1:38:05>> It means that we could say 30 if we

1:38:07wanted to.

1:38:09>> Okay.

1:38:10>> So, is there a second?

1:38:11>> Wait a minute. You haven't even made the

1:38:13first motion.

1:38:16>> No, you made it and Bob said short.

1:38:19That's No.

1:38:20>> No.

1:38:22>> Speaking of speaking, we were hoping you

1:38:25were talking.

1:38:26>> Nope. I was not.

1:38:28>> Okay.

1:38:29>> We offer up. Yes.

1:38:31>> You want me to repeat it?

1:38:33>> I need somebody to make the motion.

1:38:36>> I move that we authorize

1:38:39to continue working

1:38:43>> and Rick and Rick

1:38:54>> to continue toward

1:38:58the contract.

1:39:00$25,000

1:39:04for the high level governance financial

1:39:07standards.

1:39:14>> Second that.

1:39:15>> Yes.

1:39:16>> Okay. Well, let's see what what you got.

1:39:19[clears throat]

1:39:21Bob moved that we authorize to continue

1:39:25working Skip and Rick to continue

1:39:27working to award on a contract of 25,000

1:39:31for the highlevel governance of EUD.

1:39:35>> I needs it needs a little work.

1:39:37>> Yeah, I

1:39:44>> to prepare

1:39:46>> to prepare

1:39:49in

1:39:50>> the RF with the assistance of VLCT

1:39:53an RFP for

1:40:01>> I was wondering

1:40:04[laughter]

1:40:07>> you got that

1:40:08>> now the book's balance I don't think I

1:40:11still don't think we've given Kyle what

1:40:13she needs I

1:40:14>> I it's three people making a motion I

1:40:17cannot make sense out of any of Yes.

1:40:21>> So,

1:40:21>> so let's start again.

1:40:25>> Who's making the motion first?

1:40:28>> I move that authoriz.

1:40:41>> Yes.

1:40:43>> To prepare and issue an RFP.

1:40:45>> Okay. Stop there.

1:40:48So Bob moved that we authorize Rick and

1:40:51Skip to negotiate to prepare to issue.

1:40:54Which is it?

1:40:55>> Just

1:40:56>> to prepare.

1:40:57>> To prepare

1:40:59>> and issue

1:41:01>> to prepare and issue

1:41:04>> an RFP.

1:41:06>> An RFP. Yeah.

1:41:07>> Now Bob will finish for the high level

1:41:11governance

1:41:12and financial scan.

1:41:16Scan

1:41:17>> scan. We're here on

1:41:19>> Okay.

1:41:20>> of the Edward.

1:41:23>> Okay.

1:41:27>> We want to include the dollars.

1:41:30>> No.

1:41:35>> You're going to make it happen.

1:41:37>> We know what we know what the voters

1:41:39agreed to.

1:41:40>> Yeah.

1:41:41[clears throat]

1:41:42And you said

1:41:44>> yes.

1:41:46>> Okay.

1:41:49>> So Bob move that we authorize Rick and

1:41:53Skip to prepare and issue an RFP for the

1:41:57high level governance and financial scan

1:42:00of the Edward Ferrari Utility District.

1:42:03Natalie seconded.

1:42:05>> The motion has been made and seconded

1:42:08that you just heard.

1:42:10>> [laughter]

1:42:12>> All those in favor say I.

1:42:14>> I.

1:42:15>> Those opposed. Motion passes.

1:42:18>> Thank you.

1:42:19>> That's great progress.

1:42:21>> Well, this this person is really good.

1:42:24you guys.

1:42:25>> So, if you were here early, the quick

1:42:28update on the uh attorney general letter

1:42:32is we haven't heard anything and I told

1:42:35Woody today I put his phone number on

1:42:39because

1:42:41I made up a letterhead for Ed. I didn't

1:42:44want to put my phone on. So, would he at

1:42:48least have a

1:42:50>> cell phone connected to there? So, So we

1:42:54haven't heard anything.

1:42:55>> Okay.

1:42:56>> And not for today, but we should discuss

1:43:00that we should have a we should have our

1:43:02own kind of letterhead. I mean

1:43:05>> we should also talk about something we

1:43:08originally spoke of our presence on the

1:43:10town website which is totally fine but

1:43:13we should maybe make ourselves a little

1:43:15think about making ourselves a little

1:43:17bit more defined on the website so

1:43:19people are less confused perhaps

1:43:22>> that come out of the high level

1:43:24government

1:43:26>> it might

1:43:26>> yes we should have our really should

1:43:28have our own website that's linked to

1:43:31the terms

1:43:34shared

1:43:36town.

1:43:38>> Well, no, we're not. We are the people

1:43:42are part of the town, but the

1:43:44municipality is the municipal. Okay, we

1:43:46both have to pick that up time.

1:43:48>> Yeah.

1:43:50>> Next item schedule for 6:20. And if you

1:43:54look at the clock, you are

1:43:57>> amazing.

1:43:58>> Amazing. [laughter]

1:44:00Okay. [clears throat]

1:44:01>> The schedule for the next meeting on the

1:44:04activities in the water. I don't know

1:44:06what these freaks you about our

1:44:11mountain biking trails being

1:44:15>> all over the waterhed. We're we're we're

1:44:19going through a public process to to

1:44:23decide whether we're going to change our

1:44:26policy,

1:44:28our current policy about on public

1:44:31access to the waterways. We have 500

1:44:34acres of which

1:44:35>> 400 lang however many are in Stow and

1:44:41they've been historically used without

1:44:44sanction.

1:44:46I mean sanctioned both sides of the word

1:44:48there

1:44:50for recreational purposes that have now

1:44:54uh

1:44:56have have grown in such a way that there

1:44:59are real risks to quality. So we've got

1:45:03a process going on in which we've

1:45:06hearing from

1:45:08state and local and other folks about

1:45:12these issues about the science behind it

1:45:16about

1:45:18natural resources

1:45:21>> yada yada yada

1:45:23our third

1:45:25public informationational session

1:45:28is ready to go. I'm going to give you

1:45:30two dates and you get to decide. Here's

1:45:33where we stand. Cindy and I have met

1:45:35with David Mir. We put together a basic

1:45:39outline agenda for the evening uh which

1:45:43will include and here's the purpose of

1:45:45the third session. It's to hear from the

1:45:48public in general and municipal water

1:45:51users

1:45:52in particular

1:45:54um about

1:45:57their

1:45:59about what their concerns are. Okay. And

1:46:02we will hear from people who because

1:46:04I've gotten emails. We'll hear from

1:46:06people who really care about water

1:46:07quality and we're going to hear from

1:46:08people who really care about using the

1:46:10land for recreational purposes. We're

1:46:13going to hear from forest parks and

1:46:14recreation on how they deal with these

1:46:17issues. We're going to hear from

1:46:20uh well I can't call them should be

1:46:23hearing from still land trust about how

1:46:25they address

1:46:28these guys and what they and and we'll

1:46:31hear from them as well as to so what

1:46:33they think could happen. Uh, and we're

1:46:37going to hear from uh BM

1:46:41BMBA,

1:46:43the M Mountain Biking Association. I've

1:46:45got a call into them now. They haven't

1:46:48responded yet. Um, and the idea is we

1:46:51will not have long presentations from

1:46:53these folks. We'll keep them to un 10

1:46:55minutes or

1:46:57less.

1:47:00tell us what they think, what they know,

1:47:03where they think we ought to go with our

1:47:05process and our policy and so on. Our

1:47:07current policy, by the way, is that the

1:47:09land is not

1:47:11>> it's formally off limit um while we go

1:47:16through this process. U and we're going

1:47:19to ask in our announcement for this and

1:47:21I've got a grant wording for it. Uh

1:47:24we're going to ask for specifically from

1:47:27folks

1:47:29if there's science that you know about

1:47:31that we don't know about on these issues

1:47:35to our attention.

1:47:39So we want to you know sort of give

1:47:40homework assignments in that sense uh to

1:47:44not only our speak not only our invited

1:47:46speakers but we're going to open up to

1:47:48the public as well. Okay and just hear

1:47:51from folks we'll give 40 minutes a shot.

1:47:54David Mir as you have seen is really

1:47:56good at this. Um, and at the end of it,

1:48:01we will then march off and decide what

1:48:05we're what our next steps are going to

1:48:07be. And there'll be some [clears throat]

1:48:09people will give us ideas about next

1:48:11steps and we'll have some of our own. In

1:48:13any case, that's what we got planned.

1:48:15And you get to choose the date, October

1:48:1921st or 22nd, Wednesday or Thursday.

1:48:23Third week in October. Both nights are

1:48:26open at the fire department. I spoke

1:48:29with Gareth.

1:48:31>> Dylan

1:48:33on Wednesday. Show up to you.

1:48:35>> Do you have a preference, Woody?

1:48:37>> I don't think so.

1:48:41>> What?

1:48:42>> I have a preference.

1:48:43>> What is it?

1:48:43>> 21. I just

1:48:45>> That's my preference, too.

1:48:46>> That's for Wednesday. That's Wednesday.

1:48:51>> You care? I gotta give you I don't know.

1:48:54the uh sorry

1:48:57if you're picking a day

1:48:59and I get

1:49:01a nephew getting married.

1:49:04>> Well, the Wednesday is probably the

1:49:06better choice if

1:49:12they

1:49:14>> see Let me know, but I'll go with 21 for

1:49:17now.

1:49:17>> Y

1:49:20>> Cindy was open to both days as well.

1:49:26That's it.

1:49:28>> So,

1:49:32you have to pick the date. You're

1:49:33waiting for

1:49:35>> Well, we're going to go with the 21st

1:49:37unless Bob tells me in the next 24 hours

1:49:40or 48 hours that that's not the date.

1:49:43>> It's a good tentative. It's It's a

1:49:45nearly final date.

1:49:48>> What are you gonna let

1:49:50>> you couldn't do this one?

1:49:52Well, I'd have to cancel something that

1:49:55I would not really like to cancel, but

1:49:58you know, this is

1:50:00like having a date.

1:50:02>> I was going to say it sounds like a

1:50:03date.

1:50:04>> Yeah, it's a date. It's a date with all

1:50:06my We get together these gals. It's the

1:50:08Delichi group. Dinner group, make

1:50:11dinner. And

1:50:11>> Damichi. Really?

1:50:13>> Delichi.

1:50:13>> Oh, Damichi. I just was wondering how D

1:50:16>> We do it once a month, but like there's

1:50:18lots of months that comes apart. We

1:50:20we'll go with the 21st unless unless Bob

1:50:23has a really scandalous suggestion.

1:50:28>> Talk to your wife.

1:50:30>> Will you not tomorrow?

1:50:32>> Yeah. Oh, yeah.

1:50:34And I'll add

1:50:37>> Okay. Um, we'll do that. I will I'll

1:50:41work with Woody and we'll put we'll post

1:50:43things on front porch forum about it.

1:50:45We'll get the agenda set. It'll have to

1:50:47be worn, but and it'll put there for our

1:50:50next meeting. So, we've got a little bit

1:50:52of time.

1:50:53>> So, you can put in the minutes that the

1:50:55commissioners agreed to hold the next

1:50:58watershed meeting on the 21st. You have

1:51:01a time.

1:51:02>> 6:30.

1:51:03>> 6:30.

1:51:04>> 6:308.

1:51:06>> So,

1:51:09okay. Thank you very much.

1:51:11>> Thank you for working on that. Jeez. Um,

1:51:17East Wind. Yeah. Take take one pass it

1:51:20down.

1:51:27>> Oh, and we'll need to get we need to get

1:51:29Orca for that. So, we'll make sure we

1:51:32call you folks.

1:51:34But if you remember,

1:51:36>> Woody, do you have another copy or no?

1:51:44Okay.

1:51:48>> Yeah. So, the East Wind project, as you

1:51:51may remember,

1:51:53um we had discussed going down Route

1:51:56100. Um McDonald has provided us with a

1:52:00price

1:52:02which I provided you with. Um

1:52:06>> is that the change order price?

1:52:08>> Yeah, it's a

1:52:09>> PCL.

1:52:10>> It's Yep. four. It's this sheet right

1:52:12here. 418 231.

1:52:15>> Yeah,

1:52:15>> roughly.

1:52:16>> They don't go with roughly. That's what

1:52:18the cost is. Yeah.

1:52:19>> They don't deal with roughly. But um

1:52:22>> yeah, we've got the money in the grants

1:52:24in the leftover from what we've done so

1:52:28far. They would need you to authorize me

1:52:30to sign this

1:52:33change order to get the work

1:52:34progressing. We have most of the permits

1:52:38in hand with the exception of the waste

1:52:40management division sign off of the

1:52:42petroleum contaminated

1:52:44area near the soco station. Um they're

1:52:48we're set to do some drilling up there

1:52:51soon to see what we're getting into. Um

1:52:54and then it comes down to kind of

1:52:56availability of the contractor if they

1:52:58think they can get this done this year.

1:53:00Um

1:53:02that would be great if we could.

1:53:04>> Okay. So just make sure I

1:53:06Oh, was

1:53:07>> we're now extending the line southward.

1:53:10How far to

1:53:12>> uh about the cabin annex?

1:53:14>> That's what I thought. Right.

1:53:15>> Just before it, you know, from Sokco you

1:53:18get up to the

1:53:19>> go across Sco and I think we go to the

1:53:21cabin driveway.

1:53:23>> Okay. And so it's there for anybody who

1:53:26wants to hook up to.

1:53:28>> There'll be a stop left with a valve to

1:53:30right continue with

1:53:31>> and then and so the next next property

1:53:34down the street is Charles.

1:53:36>> Yep.

1:53:37>> Okay.

1:53:41>> That would not go back to the veterinary

1:53:43service. Correct.

1:53:45>> That driveway service too. So yes, they

1:53:48would have home service.

1:53:49>> Okay. But that is not Jeff Hackman's

1:53:51property. Okay. Thank you. And then so

1:53:55this is just a line um that goes in

1:53:58front of the Sento station, but it's not

1:54:00connecting.

1:54:02>> Yes, it is connecting.

1:54:03>> It is actually connecting to the snow.

1:54:05We aren't able to connect it with this

1:54:07grant money.

1:54:09>> As I recall,

1:54:09>> we're getting we're getting the water

1:54:11there if they choose to connect.

1:54:12>> If they want to connect, that's Yes.

1:54:15Okay.

1:54:15>> Yes. We don't connect any

1:54:19but

1:54:21they pay to get their own.

1:54:23>> Right. So is if they want water,

1:54:26>> they can connect.

1:54:28>> Yeah.

1:54:28>> Well, they paid their connection.

1:54:31>> Right. Right.

1:54:32>> Got it.

1:54:34>> So, we'd be leaving 300,000

1:54:37table with so far. But stay tuned. I

1:54:40We're going to find a way to spend that,

1:54:42too. So,

1:54:43>> well, don't we

1:54:45you said leave it on the table. It goes

1:54:47to the bank, right?

1:54:48>> No, we don't get we don't pay.

1:54:51>> Oh, okay. I thought there was I thought

1:54:53>> But there is

1:54:55there might be options. Maybe we go.

1:54:58>> Oh, that's it. Okay.

1:55:01Okay.

1:55:03>> And how long do we have to make that

1:55:05decision? When does the grant period

1:55:07>> one of these the smaller grant we have

1:55:09to have paid out by I think the end of

1:55:11this year. the other one that

1:55:16>> so you can make a motion that we

1:55:18authorize Woody to sign the change order

1:55:22with J McDonald to the line at a

1:55:27estimated cost of 418

1:55:31>> 231

1:55:36>> any chance Ka got that because that was

1:55:38a good motion and I'll just say

1:55:40>> you know I I thought about that, but I

1:55:42was sitting here thinking, "Yep, there's

1:55:44going to be four other voices." So, I

1:55:46didn't type gift.

1:55:49Um, I move that we authorize Woody

1:55:53>> authorize Woody

1:55:54>> to execute

1:55:56the change order

1:56:00>> with JD

1:56:02>> with J McDonald

1:56:07>> for the waterline extension down Route

1:56:09100

1:56:10>> extension down Route 100

1:56:13>> at a estimated cost of

1:56:16>> 4830

1:56:17>> not estimated at a cost of

1:56:20>> at a cost of

1:56:22>> Yeah. at a cost of 48.

1:56:24>> Well, we better say estimated.

1:56:25>> Okay.

1:56:26>> The estimate is is Yes. Have an

1:56:28estimated cost of $418,231.

1:56:32>> 182. Yeah.

1:56:34>> That's it.

1:56:36>> Rick West and move that we authorize

1:56:37Woody to execute the change order with

1:56:40JA McDonald for the waterline extension

1:56:43down Route 100 at an estimated cost of

1:56:46418231.

1:56:50second.

1:56:53You're

1:56:54>> Oh, yeah.

1:56:56>> Yeah.

1:56:58>> Get it done.

1:57:00>> So, you've heard the motion to authorize

1:57:02Woody to sign the change order with J

1:57:06for the waterline extension at estimated

1:57:09cost for AP 231. All those in favor say

1:57:14I.

1:57:14>> I.

1:57:14>> I. Those are close. Motion passes.

1:57:23>> We've been working on the

1:57:25>> Thank you.

1:57:27>> rules and procedures for eb there and I

1:57:31had an amendment last time that we did

1:57:33about

1:57:35people on Zoom who wanted to speak. They

1:57:38needed to identify themselves with a

1:57:41first and last name and

1:57:44turn on their camera if they have one.

1:57:46>> Yep.

1:57:48>> So, I think I've got it all together in

1:57:51the packet.

1:57:53>> I may have even caught some of Natalie's

1:57:57finer punctuation points.

1:58:02>> Well, there's there's a typo.

1:58:04>> Yeah.

1:58:06So this is ready to sign at the meeting.

1:58:11So

1:58:13>> I agree. We got titles.

1:58:15>> Yeah.

1:58:17>> Oh yeah.

1:58:18>> The title.

1:58:19>> Well, under

1:58:21number 10, we have attendees is

1:58:25misspelled. There's an A at the end. And

1:58:28I would also say that it's the wrong

1:58:30font height size, but that's

1:58:35>> some fonts.

1:58:36>> Somebody stuck that in there.

1:58:38>> Times Argus Bar 12

1:58:42>> Main Street number eight.

1:58:45>> I would also say

1:58:48Zoom attendee here's what I would say.

1:58:51Let me read what I for number 10. Zoom

1:58:53attendees who wish to speak during a

1:58:56board meeting,

1:58:58not B. I miss A, right? They uh must

1:59:01give their first and last names

1:59:06and turn their cameras on. We're all

1:59:09plural here if available.

1:59:12And turn one speak. Yeah, that's fine.

1:59:18>> Wouldn't it be?

1:59:20Yes, you could put the if if available

1:59:23after comfort, but it's okay. I mean, it

1:59:26doesn't really. That's a that's a

1:59:29stylistic question.

1:59:31>> Oh, Main Street. Number eight, Main

1:59:33Street. Mason Street.

1:59:36>> All right. Yeah. Mason Street. What?

1:59:47Well,

1:59:50who's who has this document on his or

1:59:52her computer?

1:59:55>> And you're going to correct number 12

1:59:57times Argus.

1:59:59>> Yes, absolutely.

2:00:01Times Argus. Actually, it should be

2:00:05times dash or hyphen Argus, comma Barry,

2:00:09comma, Vermont.

2:00:11>> Period.

2:00:15did not do any of the punctuation on

2:00:16this. I did not do any of this. Didn't

2:00:19want I don't want to be bismerched by

2:00:20>> So, number 10,

2:00:23if you look back at the minutes of

2:00:25August 12th, I copied the minute, the

2:00:29motion, and the minutes of August 12th.

2:00:31We're

2:00:32>> That's okay. Now, now we're just making

2:00:35sure there's blame to go around

2:00:36everybody.

2:00:38There's no blame here at all. We're just

2:00:40correcting the typos.

2:00:41>> As the new town manager of Waterbury,

2:00:44uh, I accept blame for all the typos.

2:00:49>> It's like, yeah, exactly. But, um,

2:00:52without without a corrected document, I

2:00:54don't know what you sign.

2:00:56>> Yeah.

2:01:00>> Yeah. The type faces.

2:01:01>> Yeah. You need like a highlight and then

2:01:06>> pick a choice. Oh, no. That was because

2:01:08it was it was cut and paper and it

2:01:10doesn't change. That's

2:01:12>> like number one. It's all off.

2:01:16>> Yeah.

2:01:17>> Oh, that's just a the indentation. Well,

2:01:20after my third try, I'm ready to pass

2:01:22this on.

2:01:24Send it Send it to me. I'll take care of

2:01:26it. Send it to me.

2:01:27>> Can I Can I also nitpick that you've got

2:01:31page I of two.

2:01:32>> Yes, I agree. Give it

2:01:36>> Send it to me. Woody Woody Skip, I'll

2:01:38have it

2:01:39>> I will have it fixed.

2:01:40>> It's in your packet.

2:01:41>> Okay. It was on

2:01:43>> It's in my packet, but it's a PDF.

2:01:44>> No, it's

2:01:46>> Well, you can't change a PDF. You know

2:01:49what? The whole point is not to do that.

2:01:53>> It's impossible.

2:01:54>> Well, it's not impossible.

2:01:57>> Word.

2:01:57>> No. Yeah, but skip. Then all kinds of

2:01:59crazy things happen. So, you have to If

2:02:01you have it in Word, send it to me.

2:02:02Otherwise, I will do what you just said.

2:02:06You got it. Okay.

2:02:08>> I go with the spirit of the rule of

2:02:10theory. What he's trying to get across

2:02:13is there. Just typos.

2:02:17>> Am I saying that Rick Weston is making

2:02:19corrections

2:02:22>> and will Yes. Will is making typog

2:02:26typog is correcting typographical errors

2:02:30is what it is. I'm with you would

2:02:32accept.

2:02:34>> We got time. I there's no reason not to

2:02:36correct it. Yeah.

2:02:38>> At this rate, we would have never built

2:02:40the water.

2:02:42>> The spirit of the rule. We all know

2:02:44times Argus is the book.

2:02:46>> We all know Main Street is Main Street.

2:02:48>> Mason baders.

2:02:50>> I just

2:02:52I don't think it changes the

2:02:54>> No, I

2:02:55>> Yeah, we have time and it's a public

2:02:58document. It should be

2:02:59>> I understand. I just don't want people

2:03:01100 years from now to say, "God, they

2:03:03couldn't spell."

2:03:04>> Wait a minute. I suppose people were

2:03:07completely in it.

2:03:09>> Where's Bubble?

2:03:11>> Yeah.

2:03:13>> All right, we're down to department

2:03:15report.

2:03:18>> Well, years from now, they'll look at

2:03:20these things where it said, "We're going

2:03:21to contact VLCT with an RFP, not the EFU

2:03:26DS."

2:03:28They're all gonna wonder what we're

2:03:30talking about.

2:03:32>> You wonder why I have

2:03:34>> I don't know what you're talking about.

2:03:36>> I I love it that that

2:03:41>> August of August of 2026 is

2:03:46more than a 100,000 gallons below

2:03:50August of 2007.

2:03:53What happened in August of 2007? Yeah,

2:03:56typically when there's some huge

2:03:58variation, there was a leak or there was

2:03:59something,

2:04:00>> right? But that looks good.

2:04:04>> We're also looking into, and I spoke

2:04:05with Kenny the other day about the water

2:04:07flows,

2:04:09calibration of the flow meter.

2:04:12It's always disconcerting when the tech

2:04:15comes. You can just press a few buttons

2:04:17and all of a sudden you're no longer

2:04:19your flow is no longer 300 gallons a

2:04:21minute. It's 375 gallons.

2:04:25without it's just the way and it to me

2:04:28that always bothered me and

2:04:30>> well it's the spirit DON'T [laughter]

2:04:35>> of the rule is the flow probably was the

2:04:38same he's just

2:04:40>> exactly

2:04:42[laughter]

2:04:44>> so we did have I don't know did they

2:04:46have the leak in uh we had a leak on my

2:04:48street the other day that probably after

2:04:51they sent this report in

2:04:54Yeah, Kenny sent this in to me pretty

2:04:56early.

2:04:56>> Yeah.

2:04:57>> Well, this is this is August though, so

2:05:01>> a week on high street. Well, it didn't

2:05:02make it down to Union Street.

2:05:04>> Well, the strangest part was I spent the

2:05:06morning, the first hour explaining to

2:05:08Gracie how fabulous our water system

2:05:10was, how we're not like Barry having

2:05:12leaks and more water notices. And within

2:05:15an hour,

2:05:15>> an hour, I jinxed you guys. I'm sorry.

2:05:18>> What happened?

2:05:19>> You know, just crack in the pipe. not

2:05:22far from where we had our one of our

2:05:24last weeks. So, we might have a section

2:05:26of pipe or something

2:05:30into somebody's basement.

2:05:31>> The last one. Yeah. Yeah.

2:05:35>> So, there's no wastewater report.

2:05:37>> Um

2:05:41>> that was good numbers.

2:05:44>> Yeah, the wastewater flows are super

2:05:47low.

2:05:51That's our

2:05:57>> Oh, and may I say, and I believe you've

2:06:00received other notes of gratitude.

2:06:06The tree in the dog park is gone.

2:06:08>> Yeah, they never messed up. They did a

2:06:09great job. Thank you very much. Yeah.

2:06:12>> Yeah.

2:06:13>> I know that's not a refund thing, but

2:06:18No,

2:06:18>> since I have a connection to the dog

2:06:21park.

2:06:21>> Did that get roof hit by the wind?

2:06:24>> Oh, yeah.

2:06:25>> Yeah. Came down and it took it took the

2:06:29whole thing where like it had to

2:06:30>> Did the fence get free?

2:06:32>> It would have

2:06:34locked down. It came down inside, but

2:06:35the rest of

2:06:38>> it was very

2:06:41>> No, nobody was there.

2:06:44But Karen spent a lot of time.

2:06:52>> Yes, we did. We found there was some

2:06:55money in the forward account. There used

2:06:58to be a for

2:07:05we went past the hammer.

2:07:06>> Yeah.

2:07:07>> It was a $3,000 tree.

2:07:09>> Yeah.

2:07:10>> Exactly.

2:07:12>> Yeah.

2:07:14So that last discussion wasn't on the

2:07:17agenda. So [laughter]

2:07:22>> the reports look good.

2:07:25>> I assume I do not have to include the

2:07:27dog park discussion.

2:07:29>> That's correct.

2:07:29>> Okay. Thank you.

2:07:33>> The spirit was there.

2:07:34>> That's the highlight of the two.

2:07:36[laughter]

2:07:37If they want to know, they can

2:07:39>> There you go.

2:07:40>> They say this commissioner wasting time.

2:07:45>> So, you ready to adjourn?

2:07:48>> Get back to the big date.

2:07:50>> My big date September.

2:07:53>> I wrote you a note asking you to talk

2:07:55about getting

2:07:57financially from the investment.

2:08:01>> The uh we could agree to do that. I'd

2:08:04appreciate

2:08:04>> we don't get them anyway.

2:08:06>> Uh I found one.

2:08:10Well, it it might be that it they are if

2:08:12they don't get mail, they could be um

2:08:16yeah, email or just virtual on demand.

2:08:19So they're they're available certainly

2:08:21on

2:08:21>> demand

2:08:26>> maybe they do

2:08:28>> that's an easy ask you just have to pull

2:08:30it I suppose

2:08:32>> I don't know

2:08:32>> or asked for it to be mailed to

2:08:35>> electronics the

2:08:38I think that part of the problem in the

2:08:40report was nobody knew about where about

2:08:43what the numbers want to be

2:08:47on that so business we're in.

2:08:50>> Yep.

2:08:51>> More expensive.

2:08:55>> So, you take care of

2:08:56>> Yeah, that that's an easy and a good one

2:08:58to take.

2:09:01>> With that, I'm ready to journ.

2:09:05>> Give me a second.

2:09:06>> I do.

2:09:07>> All those in favor say let's go.

2:09:09>> Let's go.

2:09:13[music]

2:09:24>> [music]

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