2026-09-01 - Select Board

00:14Uh this is the meeting of the Waterberry

00:16Select Board for September 1st, 2026.

00:21And we will open the select board

00:23meeting uh with a review and approval of

00:26the agenda.

00:30I have a amendment I'd like to make with

00:34if we could just we won't have to make

00:36that action on the current status on the

00:39makers.

00:40>> Can you speak just a little bit? Yeah.

00:42Sorry. Can we get the current status of

00:44the makers here lease? I think that's

00:46going to be addressed.

00:47>> All right.

00:50>> U

00:52question. Uh sheriff update is on there,

00:54but I haven't seen any statistics posted

00:56anywhere yet. You have to talk a little

00:59bit louder.

00:59>> The sheriff update is on the agenda. I

01:02haven't seen statistics posted anywhere

01:04on them yet.

01:05>> So that is my fault. Uh

01:08out of the office today, so

01:10>> um I could send them around

01:17here.

01:18>> Yeah. Would you help?

01:20>> So he was asking the sheriff. I heard

01:23that.

01:23>> So um one of our teammates was out of

01:26office today. So maybe remember that

01:37um

01:39perfect.

01:41>> All right. Uh I still would look for a

01:45my friend the motion maker.

01:48>> Um noting the two comments made, I'll

01:52move to approve the agenda as presented.

01:55All second.

01:57>> All those in favor say I. I.

02:01>> Uh the next item on the agenda is the

02:04introduction of our new town manager,

02:06Gracie Zigger. Um in that introduction,

02:10I just want to say thank you to the

02:12community, to the staff, the process

02:15that we followed in terms of

02:18interviewing and going through the

02:19selection. I'll say it again. We had uh

02:2216 applicants and narrow it down to five

02:28inter uh calls and then narrowed it down

02:31to three in-person meetings and uh and

02:35we are very fortunate to have Gracie

02:37join us. Um you want to say a few

02:40things?

02:40>> Yeah. So for those of you who don't know

02:42me, I hell from Iowa and you may be

02:45wondering how does someone from Iowa get

02:47all the way up here? Um and the answer

02:49to that is um we knew we wanted to move

02:52for our family and find a community we

02:54wanted to be a part of and that became

02:58very clear it was going to be more

03:00during job searches and whatnot very

03:04selecting me and the staff decided I was

03:08the right person for the job. Um with

03:10that I have uh almost a decade in public

03:14administration work mostly at the state

03:16level. Um but I also have my masters in

03:19public administration and I have done

03:22work with budget as high as 24 million

03:25and I have also done a lot of roles

03:27developed power through nonprofit

03:30and so while that doesn't lead a

03:32straight line to municipal work I feel

03:34like it does give me a lot of skill sets

03:36I can be successful here um and with

03:38that everyone's been so helpful in my

03:41first week um and so welcoming that I

03:44have been able [clears throat] to hit my

03:46Um, one I am getting to know all the

03:48staff and their roles and everything

03:50that they do. Um, also some of the

03:54priorities I've started is focusing on

03:57the natural disaster preparedness stuff

03:59and making sure that I build those

04:02connectors as well as getting connected

04:04with a lot of the organizations.

04:06um handling some great stuff that came

04:07up of course. Um and then in general

04:11just learning from women who's been an

04:13amazing for all

04:16and

04:22this is the bane of his existence but

04:25that is my husband Scott. Uh him and my

04:27son came with me and did our uh four fur

04:31babies. Um, so you may see them on

04:35design those first.

04:40>> So I have four rescues. So they're all

04:43mixed with something. Um, I joke I have

04:46450 pounds of dogs.

04:49>> So they're very friendly, very fluffy.

04:52Um, and if you see that I have fur on my

04:55pants if you want to just

04:58>> Thanks.

05:00Thank you. You're welcome.

05:02All right, I'll open the time for public

05:04comment. Is there any public comment?

05:10Mike, come on up. Introduce yourself.

05:17Mike Border Center. We know each other

05:21from the process. Um first of all I just

05:25want to uh on behalf Tom immediate past

05:28president of the Waterberry Rotary we

05:30want to thank you and welcome you to

05:32Waterberry. Anything you need from

05:34Rotary be glad to help but I do have one

05:38request that the public is involved with

05:41all the select board. I know and I can't

05:45I can't know exactly how long it's been

05:47down, but we used to have a banner on

05:50the banner pole for the Declaration of

05:52Inclusion. It's been gone for a while

05:57[clears throat]

05:58>> look into it.

05:59>> What?

05:59>> We'll look into

06:00>> Okay, that that's what I was wondering

06:02because it's been missing and I thought

06:04that was a nice welcoming way to for

06:06people coming into our town.

06:08>> Okay, thank you. Thanks.

06:11Anyone else?

06:13Roger.

06:14>> I'll just notice note that the uh banner

06:17was starting to sag and you couldn't

06:20read it anymore. So I think in

06:22consultation with Bill put it down

06:25there.

06:26>> Okay.

06:28>> All right. Um next item on the agenda is

06:31to approve the previous minutes of

06:34August 6 18.

06:38I would like to make an amendment to the

06:40minutes from the last meeting during the

06:43discussion about this week's agenda. Um

06:46it was the question was asked whether or

06:48not we would get the survey results

06:52before this meeting and we were told

06:55that we would get them the following

06:57week but we did not. So because this the

07:00answer for the answers were supposed to

07:03come up with on um better connections

07:07and our spokes on that. I just wanted

07:09that noted in

07:10>> So what do you want to change

07:12specifically in the agenda?

07:13>> I want noted that we were promised the u

07:17the

07:21we were promised

07:23the survey the following week and we did

07:26not get it. So, we did not get a week to

07:30review it.

07:30>> Okay. The minutes reflect what the

07:33conversation was at that time. We can

07:35have these minutes reflect that it

07:37didn't. Huh. But you can't change.

07:39>> We hadn't We hadn't adjourned at that

07:42point. So, was there still a valid

07:43meeting?

07:45>> Wait. Um, how do I explain this? What

07:47you're asking to amend is an event that

07:51didn't happen until after the meeting.

07:53>> No, the meeting was still valid. No,

07:56you're not getting it. So, you're asking

07:58for the minutes to say that we didn't

08:01get the survey. I agree with that. But,

08:04but we we didn't um you don't get the

08:08minute you don't get the survey until

08:10this meeting.

08:11>> I know, but it's not noted in there that

08:14we asked for it.

08:15>> Okay. That

08:16>> and that we were told we would get it

08:18the following week. That's what I'm

08:20>> But that's where you got to stop.

08:21>> Okay.

08:22>> Right. That's what we said. That's what

08:24we talking.

08:25>> Okay.

08:26>> And then you can have these minutes

08:29reflect that when we get to the better

08:31connection section, you can have them

08:33reflect that we didn't get the survey

08:36>> if you want. Um, all right. Roger.

08:41>> Uh, I'll move to approve the minutes as

08:43amended.

08:46>> Second.

08:48>> Any further discussion? All those in

08:50favor say I. I. I.

08:53All right. Um, approve the consent

08:56agenda items. Any questions on the

08:59consent agenda items?

09:03I take a motion to approve them.

09:06>> I'll make a motion to approve the

09:08consent agenda items as listed on the

09:11agenda. Second.

09:14>> Any discussion? All those in favor say

09:16I.

09:17>> I.

09:18>> All right. Thank you. Um, we'll move to

09:21the discussion of the discussions with

09:24the town boards and committees. Um,

09:29do you want you want to go first?

09:32>> I really want to thank you for the last

09:35minute addition. So, I appreciate your

09:38interview.

09:42We'll ask you to introduce yourselves

09:45and then umly

09:49speak.

09:49>> Yeah, speak loudly. We're going to make

09:52that improvement. You'll see Don's got a

09:54secret.

09:55>> Um

09:57um we have 10 minutes and um whatever's

10:01on your mind. Ask us questions. We may

10:03ask you questions. Go for it. Introduce

10:06yourselves, please.

10:07>> I'm Pam E. I

10:10think for a one-year term and then I ran

10:14for a three-year term this year. I'm

10:16Theo Hannah. I um was elected to finish

10:20out a three-year term last March. This

10:23was my

10:24only

10:27year. I'm Jill Zach. I filled in your

10:31name again. Sorry. Jill. Um, I just

10:34started feeling jer.

10:39>> I'm gonna actually ask you folks if you

10:41would mind sliding your trainers a

10:42little bit over that way so that the

10:44people in the room can see you a little

10:46bit better. I don't know if we maybe

10:48need some light.

10:50>> Yeah. And then I'll ask you to speak

10:52very loud because I'm deaf, too.

10:56>> So, um, the school board did we just

10:58started school last week. We're back in

11:00session. So, that's great. Last year, we

11:03approved our school budget, which again

11:04is great. Um, but now we are at a point

11:08where our school board is facing some

11:11tough discussions. Um, and we'd

11:13encourage any and all Waterbury

11:15residents to come to schoolboard

11:16meetings to hear what we're talking

11:17about because the big question that the

11:19school board is looking at this year is

11:22how can we continue to provide the high

11:24quality education we want for our

11:26children under the pressures we're

11:29feeling from a declined enrollment

11:32population, budgetary pressures from the

11:35state, and um not a failing

11:39infrastructure, but an infrastructure

11:41that is subject to a $100 million

11:44deferred maintenance fund. So with those

11:48questions in mind, the school board's

11:49ready to get started on our hard work

11:51for this year. Um and we're here to tell

11:53you a little bit about that.

11:55>> Yeah. So um basically the more about the

11:58situation we're facing is um the vast

12:02majority of the major cost drivers are

12:05continuing to rise largely out of our

12:07control like healthcare, special ed,

12:09mental health, um utility costs. So

12:13health care, for example, um as I'm sure

12:15you're all well aware, Vermont has some

12:18of the highest in the country. Uh it's

12:20gone up 35% in the past three years and

12:23makes up about 12% of our total budget.

12:27Um and continuing to rise as the um

12:31legislation that was passed by this

12:34legislature last session to help cap it

12:37uh was vetoed. So um those costs are

12:41rising and then at the same time it's

12:43spread across fewer and fewer students u

12:46because as Pan said our population is

12:49aging like so much of the country and uh

12:51we have declining enrollment so our

12:53fixed costs are still there just spread

12:56across fewer students which makes our

12:58per pupil cost um go up and that is

13:03hurting. And then also the legislature

13:05just passed a measure to cap it to lower

13:08the cap. So if we spend over the cap per

13:12pupil, then we're taxed. We have face a

13:15penalty tax

13:17above and beyond um the normal education

13:19tax. So that has been lowered and is

13:23going to continue to be lowered in

13:25future years. So, we're trying to figure

13:26out how to continue to do more with less

13:30um and still maintain a really high

13:33quality education system that will

13:36attract young families to move here. Um

13:40because that will help our per pupil

13:42cost under control.

13:46I think that um some of the questions

13:48we've been getting as a school board as

13:50I walk around the town are, well, what

13:53have you considered? What are you

13:54looking at? What are your options? And

13:58I think that historically our our towns

14:01have gone through questions about

14:02consolidation over the past few years,

14:0510 years. We've talked about getting rid

14:08of more than that. In the Waterberry

14:10roundabout today, there's been an

14:11article from a gentleman who talked

14:13about historic um education in

14:16Waterberry and how there used to be 17

14:18school districts in Waterberry itself.

14:20It was a really fascinating read um and

14:22I encourage everyone to check it out. Um

14:24but it's one of those things where we're

14:26looking at various schools and the

14:28school buildings themselves and how many

14:30um students are in each classroom in the

14:33school. We're looking at this to a

14:34pretty granular level to understand

14:37what's actually occurring in our

14:38communities. I think I might have

14:40mentioned this fact. It really struck me

14:43at um one of the schoolboard meetings

14:46last We're looking at the birth rate in

14:47the various towns and in 2024 Warren had

14:51one child

14:53and it's really hard to sustain a school

14:55when there was one child. Not saying

14:57other kids can't move in or not saying

14:58other kids can't move out but when

15:00that's your birth rate it's really hard

15:02to figure out longterm planning for

15:04schools and what they're going to look

15:05like in the future. So keeping all of

15:08that in mind we're looking at all of the

15:10options and what to do what what we can

15:12consider.

15:14questions from the board.

15:18I have one. I saw Harwood in the news

15:20the other day or the district. Um, can

15:24you share anything about the cabin

15:26building or is that too early or that

15:29was brought up?

15:30>> Yeah. So, there's a building and use

15:33committee for the school board. And one

15:36of the things we're looking at is um

15:39it's kind of a multi-tered plan, but one

15:42of the possibilities and it's just that

15:45it's a possibility. The potential I

15:48guess at this point is could we

15:50consolidate the four valley schools into

15:53one in that motion? And what would that

15:55look like? What retro fits would need to

15:58occur? It's been an office building.

16:00Could it be converted to a school

16:01building? We don't know the answers to

16:02that yet. So, we're still in the is it

16:05possible phase maybe. I don't know. So,

16:08it's still um a ways out before we have

16:11any information on that, but something

16:13that's being looked at.

16:16>> Is there a schedule time for the public

16:19to comment on this or is it

16:21>> we

16:22>> or you just comment and email everything

16:24you just [laughter]

16:26>> You're always welcome to email us. Our

16:28email addresses are on the bottom of the

16:30schoolboard website which I believe is

16:33getting reworked a little bit too to

16:34make it a little bit more user friendly

16:36because as you can imagine there's a lot

16:38of information um to dig through and so

16:41we're trying to make it more user

16:42friendly. Always email us and then one

16:45of the other committees the school board

16:47has is a public relations communications

16:49committee. they have a

16:52outreach

16:52>> outreach and so they are um working on

16:56this um beautiful presentation that um

17:00really covers the history of how we got

17:03to where we are today and what we can do

17:06moving forward to try to help bring the

17:09community together to really understand

17:11what's important to the community and

17:14how we can make sure we

17:17we put the right emphasis value on what

17:20the community wants as we're making

17:22these plans moving forward. There's

17:23going to be a series of um events as I

17:26understand it where we're going to be

17:28showing up here where we're going to be

17:29showing up to probably Rotary at some

17:32point and other other groups in the area

17:34talking about what's going on because we

17:35really do need community support and

17:38community commitment to

17:41with that with the presentation. are

17:43bringing together the whole student feed

17:45information for everyone so that you

17:48know all the information all the work

17:50that's being done can provide a platform

17:52for questions and for discussion and for

17:55values and for so that it's not just

17:57unidirectional the birection

17:59conversation but with the full the front

18:01of it being here's the information now

18:05>> nice and um if anyone we are looking for

18:09opportunities to share the slide deck

18:12have that conversation. Um, so if

18:16anyone, you know, has a community

18:19meeting, community events coming up,

18:22want to invite us, we we want to spread

18:24this far and wide. Um, and really make

18:28sure that community is kind of growing

18:31the same direction.

18:33>> Perfect.

18:35>> Roger. Are there plans to present uh the

18:38advantages of closing Brookside and

18:41moving all the kids to cross Brook?

18:44>> That's going to be part of the

18:45presentation, but some of it's already

18:47available um through some of the TRX

18:49colons reports that are out there. Um I

18:52think one of their reports I'm going to

18:53blank on which the title is called but

18:55there's a um look at the work that needs

18:59to be done to Brookside and the work

19:01that needs to be done across the book

19:03and one of the categories was they

19:07didn't call it emergency work but they

19:09called it urgent work that needs to be

19:10done for the health and safety of the

19:12children and it's maybe $10 million$10

19:16point something million dollars for

19:17Brookside and it's less than like

19:20there's still I think a total of $12

19:22million that needs to be done to

19:24Brookside but 10 million of it was like

19:25considered urgent

19:28profit book has I think $10 million that

19:30needs to be done but much much less

19:32considered urgent for that student so

19:36there is some of that already out there

19:38for some of those considerations and

19:40then other things just when you're

19:41talking to um school administrators for

19:44how do you

19:45take kids through lunch and that

19:47cafeteria in Brookside is fairly small

19:49if you put more kids in

19:50it becomes a lot harder to get kids

19:52eating lunch at a lunch appropriate

19:54time. So instead of eating lunch at 11

19:57to noon, you're having kids eating lunch

19:59at 10:30 to 1:30 because there's the

20:02cafeteria is actually quite small.

20:04>> Thank you.

20:06>> So um I will be contacting you. I'm I'm

20:10in a unique position. I was principal

20:12for for two years and I've been

20:15principal of six small schools. I've

20:18entered in one.

20:20So I've got six small school experience

20:22in one large school. So I contact

20:29we can do a partnership at the hill

20:31between the school down per

20:40Thank you because I think that's we want

20:43everybody to know we want your ideas.

20:45We're not We are here to advocate for

20:47our students, for all of them, our

20:49students, all our students. So, we want

20:52the idea. It's not like we want them to

20:55all work.

20:58>> Who owns the Brookside building,

21:00>> school district,

21:02>> the school district owner,

21:03>> but Island Pond said send pretty

21:06interesting example about selling their

21:07school for a dollar.

21:09>> Oh,

21:10>> I'm just saying so that they could use

21:11it for a community. That's right. I

21:14haven't

21:15>> Oh, Roxberry.

21:16>> Well, maybe Roxberry, too.

21:18>> John Brook.

21:18>> Yeah. But but I It's owned by the school

21:21district. That's what I'm wondering.

21:23Yeah.

21:26>> Other questions.

21:28Thank you. Oh. Oh, there's one back

21:30here. Mary, you have to come up to the

21:32front. Sorry, Mary.

21:37to be affordable.

21:40We're getting

21:42one more meeting.

21:44>> Nice segue.

21:49>> Comment my question.

21:52>> First, sorry, I'm Mary Cohen and um also

21:56elementary school principal for 16 years

21:59in the state of Vermont and your

22:00answers. Thank you.

22:03um have some strong opinions like

22:06[clears throat]

22:06uh but

22:09my question is you said the schoolboard

22:11site is that separate from the school

22:13district website.

22:16>> Now the school board has like a web like

22:19if you go to the school district website

22:20there's like a tab for the school board.

22:23>> It just takes like clicking like 29

22:25times to get [laughter]

22:28>> 25 instead of 29.

22:31I just want to be sure that if there was

22:33a shorter way,

22:38>> right?

22:40>> Um and my comment is I thank you for

22:43serving and I know some of you stepped

22:45up when there was a big um

22:49vac, you know, several vacancies across

22:52the Harwood district. I read something

22:56and I know there's been a lot of

22:58advocacy by your um teachers,

23:01administrators, other folks, the school

23:03board and

23:06we were all quite disappointed with some

23:08of the other decisions that were made in

23:10the last legislative session. But I um I

23:16guess I guess I caught my around that

23:18time last spring, we I I saw

23:23someone in Norwich who had is a data guy

23:27and he's been compiling a lot of the um

23:30financial information

23:32for schools around Vermont and I don't

23:34know if you've you know you've connected

23:37with that but it seems a good source but

23:39one of the things that was very clear

23:40between that and some of the roundabout

23:42reporting is just by combining

23:46schools to become instead of a unified

23:48district where one district we didn't

23:51save any

23:53We have that comment.

23:56>> No, that's just

23:58that's comment. And yeah, and and I just

24:01want to be sure that this is not a

24:04tunnel down the road.

24:06>> No, without looking at sort of

24:08>> I know I don't think it is. I just want

24:11to say that publicly.

24:13>> Thank you.

24:14>> Mike, do you have a quick one? We got to

24:16get to our other committees.

24:17[clears throat]

24:19>> In fairness to them. We are the most fun

24:21committee though.

24:22>> You are, you know, and you brought three

24:24representatives. I do.

24:27>> Thank you for coming. I always admire

24:29people who want to serve on the school

24:31board

24:33person. My question is I'm glad Mark

24:36brought this up about the cabin

24:38building. I just wanted I know it may be

24:41too early in the game to to know this.

24:44is by looking at purchasing that cabin

24:47building is that going to be an overall

24:50cost savings versus just shuttering of a

24:54few of the schools you know that's

24:57that's [snorts] what I think all the

24:59taxpayers in the district want to know

25:02because school costs are getting you

25:05know our taxes are you know I think the

25:07town's done a good job maintaining taxes

25:10and school taxes are you know really

25:12becoming a burden and as we could see

25:15more and more verters are fleeing the

25:17state so we need to control so I'm

25:20looking at Ken is a cab building a

25:22solution for the lesson

25:25>> I'm sure that's part of their study

25:26>> right

25:31>> thanks for reminding them thank you

25:33>> all right we'll take one more Chris

25:37>> five seconds I'll try to make it quick

25:39>> awesome

25:40>> yes

25:42I met with one of our

25:44>> Introduce yourself please.

25:45>> Christians water center and met with one

25:47of our candidates for governor Amanda

25:50Juno for a couple of hours here month

25:53ago talked to her about her run as

25:58governor.

26:00During the conversation, I

26:03said to her the same thing I've said to

26:06many of our legislative leaders, very

26:08vocal to the

26:11I've got in contact with people by

26:14phone, the radio.

26:17Nobody wants to acknowledge it. I'm

26:19going to say it loud and clear. This

26:21state is bankrupt.

26:25You talked about school district.

26:28It's estimated six to8 billion dollars

26:32statewide. We can't solve any of our

26:35problems in this state from healthcare

26:37to homeless to affordability, you name

26:40it. The governor just bought down the

26:42property tax rate this year because they

26:45don't have any solutions. I commend you

26:47people for trying to to do what you're

26:49trying to do. But as I told Amanda,

26:54somebody in the governor's seat and the

26:56legislators are going to have to make

26:58some real hard choices.

27:01If you don't make them yourself to try

27:03to control what's going to happen,

27:05they're going to the choices are going

27:06to be made for you.

27:09>> Thanks, Chris.

27:10>> All right, we're gonna

27:13>> One more question.

27:14>> There's one more question.

27:17>> Come on up.

27:18>> I'll pass.

27:18>> All right. Thank you.

27:20Thank you, school board representatives.

27:23>> Very go to their website.

27:25[clears throat]

27:27>> Thank you so much for coming in. Very

27:29much appreciate it.

27:33>> Um Amy or Jay, who wants to know next?

27:38Bite [clears throat] it out, ladies.

27:39[laughter]

27:42>> All right, James up closer.

27:43>> Okay,

27:45[clears throat]

27:46more ready.

27:47>> Okay.

27:49Would you mind sitting over there by

27:51Don?

27:52I'm gonna pitch this set up so that

27:54people can see and hear each other

27:56better.

27:57>> Absolutely.

27:59>> There you go. Thank you for coming in.

28:03>> My name is James Brown. I'm the chair of

28:06the library tree board and the tree

28:09board's been around for about 15 years.

28:11Our um goal is to try to maintain tree

28:16health in public spaces in town. Um I

28:20occasionally plant new trees where there

28:22are vacant spots to for beautifification

28:26and to create an even tree canopy. Um we

28:30try to plan for the future identifying

28:32potential areas for trees

28:35and uh we coordinate with the cemetery

28:38commission. We've done a lot of

28:39coordinating with them on tree pruning.

28:41We've had tree pruning workshops in the

28:44cemetery and

28:46um both cemeteries, Maple Street

28:48Cemetery and the Hope Cemetery in the

28:50village and um also on Main Street and

28:57um we have uh prioritized tree pruning

29:01in recent year and were able to um with

29:06the town's help get trees that were

29:09planted 2019 as part of the main street

29:12reconstruction. They're like 45 trees.

29:16Um now they've so now they're like seven

29:19years in the ground there and they were

29:21approved this spring. Um we came to the

29:25select board and were approved for some

29:29additional funding this year which would

29:32also include uh street tree inventory.

29:35Uh in 2016 the town was able to

29:37participate with 19 other towns in

29:40something called

29:42um

29:44oh caring care care of the urban

29:46landscape which was using this um

29:51software that the state had created for

29:54street tree inventories with satellite

29:57mapping. But you could identify trees

30:00and put in the quality of the trees and

30:02the types of trees and then create um

30:05inventory downtown. Well, we did it was

30:07done but we never did anything with the

30:09data. So here we are 10 years later and

30:13we um we have been able to um

30:18get somebody on board a team on board of

30:21aris and there's been some issues with

30:24updating that software but we're getting

30:26it going. So, um that's just getting

30:29underway.

30:30>> Is that the

30:32uh the grant money that you the money

30:35that was allocated last year for this

30:37year? That's what that does is update

30:41that database.

30:42>> Yes.

30:43not only to update it but we need to be

30:46more involved and be able to extract

30:49um from that database you know what are

30:53the what are the percentage of species

30:55of trees you know so that we can plan

30:58what are the percentages of of good

31:00trees trees poor tree where are the

31:02trees that I need some removal or

31:05>> where does that live where does that

31:07data live in in

31:11>> it it lives the tree board.

31:13>> What is it?

31:14>> Well, it's it's part of a municipal tree

31:16program that's managed by the Vermont

31:19urban community forestry program through

31:22a statewide website. So, if it does the

31:26tree board, this question I just don't

31:28know. Does the tree board have a web a

31:31page on our website that would have that

31:34link to it?

31:36>> We're not there yet.

31:37>> Okay, that's what I was

31:38>> I think that's a good idea. Yeah.

31:41>> What we're trying to do, and we're not

31:44maybe as geeky as we should be, but

31:46trying to figure out, and this will be

31:48our our goal for this update,

31:50>> possibly,

31:51>> is to add trees in the center, and water

31:53center, but also be more adept at um

31:57pulling information out of this so it's

31:59not just collected and done,

32:01>> right? I think it'd be nice if we could

32:03get it into the website, our town

32:06website, so people could go look at it

32:08if they want. Straight ahead. Thanks.

32:10Thank you for coming.

32:11>> Question change. 45 trees planted half

32:14the main street.

32:16>> Yeah.

32:16>> How are they doing? I didn't

32:18>> I think they're doing quite well

32:20>> and some of them are so big.

32:25>> Too good.

32:26>> Too good.

32:27>> Yeah.

32:32I think I think we did pretty well. Um

32:35there were a few ash trees that um in

32:38hindsight maybe should have had removed

32:43seven years ago because now we have

32:44emerald ash.

32:47>> Thank you. Thank you for

32:51>> all right our conservation commission

32:55is here.

32:57>> Yeah. Come on up so we can know each

33:00other. Please join us.

33:14Okay.

33:15>> Well, introduce yourself.

33:17>> Yes. So, I'm Amy Marshall Carney, the

33:19conservation commission chair.

33:21>> My name is

33:25>> All right. Okay. Thanks, Levi. All

33:29right. So, today we just have two main

33:31topics. We've been pretty focused on

33:33natural resources inventory and then um

33:37some updates and follow-ups from the

33:38last meeting we had. So just wanted to

33:40cover those. So here this came from

33:43Aaron at Arowwood. He divided out the

33:47sections of work that that team is under

33:49right now. What you can see here is um

33:53they've got some phases already

33:55complete. So the land cover and forest

33:57block mapping's done. Upland and wetland

33:59natural communities mapping is done. Um

34:01they're uh starting the wildlife habitat

34:04corridor modeling. They're already

34:06midway through what they call a

34:08windshield survey field assessment. Just

34:11driving around and seeing some things.

34:18>> Yeah. Yeah. No, they might. Um so and

34:21then um they'll be focusing on that

34:23reporting and online mapping as well as

34:25the continuing through you know

34:26traditional administration product

34:28administration

34:29>> and the detailed field assessments.

34:31We've already gained four uh members of

34:34our community that are willing land

34:35owners that would like to have them come

34:37and assess their their land their

34:39parcels. We are also looking at um other

34:44parcels that we may want to target. So

34:46areas that they aren't able to access

34:47because they're in public lands or maybe

34:50they're not in parts of the town that we

34:51haven't really have fully mapped out. So

34:54that workload action thinking point on

34:56that with another member Josh selfide

35:00as well. So that work feels really good.

35:03One of the pieces I didn't pop up here

35:04but we know we have to do and we'll be

35:06focusing on it over the next two months.

35:08We'll start to plan out our engagement

35:10plan. And so this is where I want to

35:12make sure that we're not

35:14overcommunicating to the community, but

35:16maybe consolidating some opportunities.

35:18I know the municipal plan itself has to

35:20go out and be communicated and shared.

35:23So we want to be mindful of that. Any

35:25ideas anybody has, please let us know

35:27where we can join appropriately. That

35:29would be better for the digestion of the

35:32community. So

35:33>> but we do need to make sure that we have

35:35this information, excuse me, available.

35:38Any questions about the natural

35:40resources inventory?

35:43>> Yeah.

35:47>> Yeah. I'm going to suggest you go

35:48through the whole thing after Billy, but

35:50you go through your whole thing and then

35:52we'll ask questions. Okay.

35:54>> I guess I just ask what is the

35:55geographic scope of Arrowwood's work?

35:57Are they like doing the whole town? They

35:59get parts of it.

36:00>> Good.

36:00>> The entire wall to wall.

36:02>> Great.

36:02>> Y Thanks, Billy. and they're leveraging

36:06um I know that they requested

36:07information from the UVM master's class

36:12for the refra property so that they

36:14didn't duplicate

36:16GIS.

36:20Okay. And then the other topic that we

36:22um we talked about the last meeting but

36:24I thought we'd bring it here. So the

36:26better connections project which is a

36:28project but we were listed as a

36:30conservation commission in that project

36:32as a key stakeholder we did not get

36:35involved in that project not to say that

36:37we wouldn't um and not to say that we

36:40can't but we wanted to make sure that

36:41we're really clear that um because that

36:43went to a funding agency that we do not

36:46want to be sending a signal of playing a

36:47role that we did not play. So, we sought

36:50out some advice, got some guidance on

36:52how best and to really clarify that,

36:54navigate that, make sure that we're

36:55still letting everyone know that we're

36:57still available to support in this

36:58capacity, and I know I've been working

36:59with Bill. Um, and this of course

37:02started, these conversations started

37:04before Bill took over as intern, which I

37:06recognized, and now Grace is on board.

37:08She's been looped in, so she's starting

37:10to get a little more familiar with that.

37:12Um, so I think we have a clear

37:14understanding at least from the grant

37:17arms angle. They they're like, you know,

37:19this is still in process. So you can

37:22request, which we have done, um, that

37:24there's just an amendment that goes on

37:26or appendex that goes on to report that

37:28states that these didn't actively play a

37:30role during this part. And then as we

37:33work going forward that we just want to

37:35get clear about what role, if any, we

37:37can play within our, I'll call it skill

37:41set.

37:42So I know that for example we're not the

37:45storm water experts but we could connect

37:48and we could learn and we can make sure

37:49we understand and fulfill our role. So

37:52here it's more about your awareness and

37:56as you think about the final report as

37:58it comes to you just you know

38:00understanding that's why we've made that

38:01request and what we're going to be

38:04willing to support going forward.

38:06>> Questions about that part? No. Okay. Um,

38:10as a as an aside, I will tell you that I

38:13have shared with Neil, and I don't know

38:16if it's made it to you all yet, but um,

38:19this is where it gets a little weird. I

38:20wear a couple hats. So, I am the

38:22conservation commission chair. I also

38:24have some professional background. And

38:26when I pursued this conversation with

38:28Neil, I shared, you know, there's I

38:31think we could have managed this a

38:33little differently if we had got, you

38:35know, there's a stakeholder process that

38:36engages everybody at at the beginning.

38:39this particular project didn't I don't

38:41think follow that process cleanly so he

38:43goes well we don't have one said I can

38:45create one for you if you'd like and I

38:46did so I sent that along to Neil don't

38:50remember if I copied you Bill I might

38:52have if not um I know I mentioned it to

38:55Evan so I recently shared it with him

38:58and I'm happy if that did not make its

39:00way to you but what I designed and the

39:02reason why I came through this

39:04conservation lens is because of this

39:05particular interaction it's not okay but

39:08I'm gonna I'm going to keep you focused

39:10on just the conservation commission

39:13actions.

39:14>> It Yeah, it is. And so it was presented

39:16from the conservation commission. Okay.

39:19>> Because of this as a proactive way to

39:21kind of avoid that question

39:22>> particularly as we might be

39:24>> a proactive way to avoid for us as a

39:27stakeholder or any stakeholder quite

39:29frankly um could benefit from being

39:31moved into plan.

39:34So that that was a proactive solutioning

39:37recommendation that shared

39:40do with it what you will. All right. So

39:42um we do still have three open seats.

39:45One we have one person entertaining the

39:47idea of meeting with them next week. So

39:50we might only have two open seats which

39:52would be great. But if you all can

39:54continue to keep that awareness and talk

39:57about it. They're a fun group too. Um

40:00the other two pieces here are we're

40:03still not clear. So very similar to this

40:05particular project about connections. We

40:08are referenced in the flood hazard

40:10bylaws. We are referenced in the local

40:12hazard mitigation plan as having pretty

40:14firm rules. It's been pointed to us by

40:16CPRPC.

40:17We don't know what we're doing, why

40:19we're doing it, or when we're doing it.

40:20We're happy to do it, but I think we

40:22just need a little direction here and

40:24clarity on what that looks like. So

40:26that's a task to you all. And then the

40:29last is just if you know of anybody that

40:31want would like to participate in the

40:32Arrowwood

40:34land assessment, let us know. They have

40:36a great process we can explain. Lot lot

40:38has done a great job of helping them

40:40understand steps to step.

40:45That's all.

40:49>> Thank you.

40:51Questions

40:53got

40:55the front row next time.

41:00members that on the conservation

41:02committee

41:02>> right now there's six. We have

41:04availability for nine. Would you like to

41:06join?

41:06>> No, but

41:10>> why do you think so many?

41:12>> It's pretty standard for these boards

41:13across our boards. Actually, it got a

41:15little tricky when we only had five

41:17because you can't have four of them. If

41:19two people can't come, you can't have a

41:20meeting.

41:21>> So, you're looking for just more body to

41:23continue

41:23>> and experiences. So one person we're

41:25meeting with now actually they have a

41:27depth in native plants. One person on

41:29our board has a DEC background. So

41:31environmental so the more breth we have

41:34I don't have any environmental

41:36background but I do have program

41:37management change management skill set.

41:39So we're looking to diversify

41:43>> anyone else.

41:45>> Katie Gallagher

41:48you want to turn on your camera join us?

41:52>> Sure can. Hi. Um Amy, I was just

41:55wondering just for my own edification

41:58because I wasn't sure where you were

41:59referencing the conservation commission

42:01was was reference as a stakeholder and

42:03just want to make sure that we have that

42:05that settled. Just wondering if you

42:06could point me to where that is.

42:08>> Yeah, it's in your application for the

42:10grant. I think it's on page two of the

42:13clean water fund funding request, which

42:15is the second part of the overall

42:17application. the application

42:19>> also references friends of I think the

42:22reservoir or reus I have to remember I

42:24didn't

42:26>> okay thank you

42:28>> y thanks Katie anyone else

42:32thank you very much for coming in very

42:34much appreciate the update

42:37>> I just wanted to say that doesn't want

42:40opening as well

42:42[laughter]

42:43we're very

42:49My job rocks, you know.

42:54>> All right. Thank you very much.

42:57>> We're going to go on to the town manager

43:00and public works director matters. Um I

43:03ask that um Gracie and Woody work

43:06together for this month. So you'll see

43:08them again at the next meeting, but

43:10Gracie, you want to take a stab at it?

43:13Sure. Um

43:16right here. Perfect. Um, so one, uh, the

43:20sheriff's data reported. Um, as

43:22mentioned earlier, I did not get that on

43:25quick enough, but it is available and

43:27we'll be getting it up within the next

43:2924 hours so people can access it and

43:31look at it. Uh, what do you anything you

43:33want to add on that?

43:34>> Uh, no. We ask came in to be for it to

43:38be prepared before the meeting. U by the

43:40time the sheriff's got it to us, it was

43:42Monday or whatever. So,

43:44>> and then I'll let you take the next one,

43:46too. And the next one is

43:48>> uh the state annual financial plan.

43:50>> Oh, that town highways. That thing we're

43:52supposed to sign.

43:53>> Yes. So, it's it's a routine paperwork

43:56from the state of Vermont, agency of

43:58transportation

44:00that we fill out um with regards to how

44:03we're spending some of our aid that the

44:06state gives us to highways. This along

44:08with road and bridge standards and other

44:10things are paperwork the state uses to

44:13make sure we're in compliance and that

44:15makes us eligible for grants and and

44:18puts us in good standing with them.

44:20>> Um it's signed every year. It's a

44:22routine

44:24document.

44:25>> So this is the money they send the town

44:28>> estimated. It it's a form that tells how

44:31much they send us, how much we spend,

44:34>> and that we spend it enough

44:35>> enough to get what they send us.

44:38>> Okay. All right. Thank you.

44:40>> Can I go back to the sheriff's report?

44:43>> Yep.

44:43>> So, this uh report shows all they were

44:46doing data for speeding. It shows all

44:48the hours of the day and who speed

44:50limit. I went shocked that somebody had

44:531400 hours, which is two in the

44:54afternoon. Correct.

44:56>> Yeah.

44:56>> Right. Yeah. Yeah. that somebody was

44:58going between 70 and 75 miles an hour on

45:01the flat road.

45:02>> On where?

45:02>> On the flat 2 in the afternoon. I mean,

45:06>> really. Anyway, so

45:13>> that one collect ticket.

45:14>> What's that? Did that one collect a

45:16ticket?

45:18>> It's just

45:19>> it's the cart recording people.

45:22>> It's ridiculous. Sorry.

45:23>> All right. Uh uh final thing. I think

45:26Sandy wanted clarification on something

45:28earlier.

45:29>> Yeah. Uh the Makers lease.

45:31>> Oh.

45:33>> Yep. So I've been meeting with

45:34Makersphere and I have some feelers out

45:37to people who own rental property in the

45:40community to get a feeling for what the

45:43square footage cost is for rental

45:46property. That's loosely

45:49similar to the ambulance old ambulance

45:51bar. There is nothing that's that sad.

45:54>> Yeah. [clears throat]

45:56>> So, it's still in the works.

45:58>> Yeah.

45:59>> Did you need a motion before I said

46:02that?

46:02>> Um,

46:04what's the question?

46:05>> The the plan.

46:07>> No, it's a required thing that we have

46:09to I just felt that it would be

46:11>> required.

46:14>> But, uh, it's important to share the

46:16information. So I just wanted to post it

46:18with the

46:20>> um one thing is today's September 1st.

46:23So I don't make sure that expired again

46:27because we allowed 30 days last month.

46:30>> Uh it was month to month.

46:32>> It's month.

46:33>> Did we Is that when we approved? I

46:34thought we

46:35>> No, that was his meeting.

46:38>> And just for the nature been reaching

46:40out to me. So

46:41>> yeah. Okay.

46:42>> Get your act together. Do you want to uh

46:45do you uh want to give an update on is

46:48anything changed with these other

46:52>> I I have one small question about the

46:53sheriff's

46:54>> oh

46:55>> contract

46:57>> they've been issuing some tickets people

46:59have been taking notice which is I think

47:01largely good

47:04people to go a little less than 70 miles

47:05an hour on flats um but where does that

47:09money go when the tickets get paid?

47:12There is a line item in the budget that

47:14we accept money for pickets aid. I'm not

47:17sure it's happening in this case, but I

47:18can check. Will the chair

47:25>> um you want to give is there any changes

47:28or updates for the project?

47:30>> The only big updates we're meeting this

47:32week on um Woody Avenue Housing. We will

47:36be meeting I believe weekly on this uh

47:38as we move forward. Um and last night we

47:41were notified that three other

47:43properties are now progressing in the

47:45FEMA buyout. Um

47:48third I think it's 38 and 42 Union and

47:531634 US Route 2 are progressing to the

47:57appraisal stage where they will get an

48:00appraisal value to those owners to see

48:03if they'd like to continue with the buy

48:04out process.

48:06So the other ones are We'll sit again.

48:11>> Yeah.

48:12>> Um, Cheryl, side note, in the minutes,

48:16can you spell out um W what? Lampman

48:20what?

48:22>> Wyman Lampman. Yeah, it was WL and I

48:25just thought it last be helpful to spell

48:27out. Sorry, [laughter]

48:29>> I forgot about

48:32>> question about Union Street. Is 40 uh

48:35already gone or is it scheduled to go?

48:37>> Uh, we're gone. Two more just got

48:39approved.

48:40>> Okay. So

48:42>> So all all four in a row are

48:44>> at least

48:45>> at least in process.

48:46>> Yeah.

48:47>> 36 and 40 are gone.

48:49>> Yeah.

48:51>> All right. All right. Uh can we move on

48:55to the select board matters?

48:59>> What was the question?

49:01>> We having a side we are having a sidebar

49:03on very interesting topic on how to bend

49:05the grass on this board. That's good.

49:15>> We're going to move on to the select

49:16board matters unless you have other

49:18things that you too would like to talk

49:20about.

49:21>> No.

49:21>> All right. Uh BR correspondents on the

49:25speed limit reductions along Vermont

49:27Route 100. Don, I think this is yours.

49:30>> Right. So being involved in the better

49:32connections grant and last spring they

49:34did the walkthrough. They met at the

49:36Yes. at day park. We were down a 100

49:39looking at that fabulous intersection at

49:41Howard Avenue 100. Um and living up the

49:44road from there I've always been

49:47strangely curious about the speed

49:49limits. I don't know how many years ago,

49:51Bill, we changed the speed limit at

49:53Cider Mill for 35. It's been a while.

49:56It's been there. Um, so looking at 100,

49:58there are two 50 mph signs. One heading

50:02north, one heading south in the whole

50:03stretch from the interstate past

50:09near the

50:11call

50:13where the coffee place is just pass.

50:18>> Yeah. So there's only one one south

50:20that's 50 and one half hour. The other

50:23thing is if you come down by assignment

50:25shop that's 40 miles an hour you get to

50:27the bottom of that dangerous

50:28intersection where the state park is and

50:31it says it turns at 35 at the top of the

50:33hill cider bill. I made a request typed

50:36up got some maps together gave it to

50:38Bill right to the beach rams the highway

50:41division to say please change the speed

50:43limit as one get rid of the single 50

50:45mph signs. They're like there's only one

50:49going each way. It doesn't make any

50:50sense. just make that all 40 the whole

50:52way and start 35 the top of the hill

50:55where the consignment shop is then keep

50:5735 down through the reservoir to dip the

51:00hollow up to the cider mill. So um to

51:03the highway division of VR wrote a

51:05letter and said they are going to extend

51:07they requested to extend the 35 mph

51:09speed limit from the cider mill to the

51:12top of the hill to the south which is up

51:13near the consignment and to eliminate

51:15the 50 mph zone and put 40 mile per hour

51:18zones there. They're going to do an

51:20engineering study to accomplish this and

51:24they will make a decision in December of

51:26this year and they'll be notified of the

51:28date time and I claim to go back. So

51:31that's

51:33>> it took a month to get that letter back,

51:35right?

51:35>> Yeah. It's pretty fast.

51:38>> I was surprised.

51:39>> The fact that they're doing the study

51:40this year is

51:41>> I know I would be curious to see what

51:44year

51:45>> for sure. All right. Thank you. Uh, D.

51:50Oh, is there a question? Um, come on up,

51:54J.

52:00>> Um, okay. I worked for the transfer

52:05from three years when I was in the

52:07planning division for a few years, the

52:10beginning. So, I, you know, I don't know

52:12how it works right now, but when I was

52:14in the planning division, I attended

52:16several of these hearings. And so it's

52:18important um it's it's good if more than

52:21one person from the town shows up

52:24to show support and to really advocate

52:27for this change.

52:29>> I'd be happy to

52:32>> because I think this is long overdue and

52:34I totally support. I just say it really

52:36helps if the town really does. We don't

52:40have a date for

52:41>> you know they're let us know. They'll

52:43let us

52:44few people to advocate for business

52:46owners, some letters, some photographs,

52:49whatever. That would be great. Yeah,

52:51very good. Thanks, Dave. What a good

52:53suggestion.

52:55Um, all right, Don, you're still on.

52:58>> All right, so getting back on the select

53:00board, one of the reasons I did get off

53:02the select board was attending meetings

53:03and panic with stakeholders who my

53:05hearing is extremely terrible and I just

53:08got so frustrated trying to hear things,

53:10hit meetings. Uh that was one of the

53:12reasons. So when I got back on I told

53:14Martha and the board that this is thing

53:16I want to focus on to make the hearing

53:19better individual in these meetings. As

53:21you saw today it's very difficult. Um so

53:26um I started with it and I got way laid

53:28by hiring a new town manual manager.

53:31That took a lot of time. I personally

53:33had a wedding at my house this summer. I

53:35was so involved with I mean it just got

53:37away from me. Martha did a great job

53:39contacting whatever buzz buzz buzz buzz

53:43>> buzz which is a

53:45>> buzz buzz you can't buzz buzz

53:47>> yeah so Peter came this week and he and

53:50his company actually installed

53:51everything here from this mun this

53:53building was built so he knew instantly

53:55about this building and so we talked

53:57about the sound system uh changing this

54:00this I can't read it's just awful about

54:02getting a large TV screen up here and

54:05make this function better so he said,

54:07"Well, you don't have to worry about

54:09system because it already exists." Which

54:12I said, "Oh, yeah. I already

54:16>> So, they do have fun. If you can hear

54:18me, is it working?"

54:20>> No.

54:22>> Is the green light on?

54:23>> Yeah.

54:27>> So, it worked.

54:28>> So, what happened was I talked to Annov

54:30about these microphones.

54:32>> You have to hold it up. This is the

54:34issue with them and why because Ann used

54:36to set them up for the meeting. You get

54:38all the microphones lined up and

54:39whatever. And that when we were on the

54:40select board back in the day, the

54:42trouble is you have to keep it real

54:44close, right? And you have if you're

54:45talking, you say, "What was that bill?"

54:47You got to move the microphone around.

54:49So, it just got to be very frustrating.

54:50And then people put it away and of

54:52course select more changes that people

54:54don't bother can hear. So, uh, I think

54:56we're going to put these out and work

54:58them, see how good or bad they are, and

55:01talk to Peter about, I think, upgrading

55:03the sound system to maybe a lot better,

55:05like a mic that you can attach to your

55:07shirt or something. But, uh, we're going

55:09to work on it. Another piece is I want

55:11to reorganize um these tables. As you

55:13can see, it's a fiasco here trying to

55:15have people's backs not to the public.

55:18If you remember last meeting when the uh

55:20state police came uh the state police

55:22sat and there was no way he was having

55:24his back flip and turn. All right. So I

55:27want to reconfigure these tables and I'm

55:29talking Gracie and the SL. So we're

55:32going to try these microphones. See how

55:34they work.

55:35>> We have them on the stand too.

55:37>> Yeah. Yeah. I mean they'll be for

55:38everybody. We'll have some for the

55:39public. But if they don't work and maybe

55:41it's a system need to be turned up. Then

55:43we're going to talk to Peter and see

55:44what else can do. These don't these are

55:47just real funky

55:49questions.

55:50>> All right, questions.

55:53>> Why are you all in the dark?

55:57[clears throat]

56:02>> Might be a little problematic here in

56:04the winter months with illnesses going

56:06around.

56:09Massive, one person to

56:13have

56:13>> nine of them in the closet.

56:16I know we were surprised. All right.

56:19>> I just wanted to thank

56:22you. Appreciate it.

56:25>> I wanted to add that this was also a

56:26topic of much discussion at last

56:28Wednesday's town meeting study committee

56:30meeting. Uh Amy did a lot of research

56:34about different options that could be

56:36usable at town meeting for this exact

56:39same reason.

56:40>> Yeah.

56:41>> Good. Don't know if you've talked yet,

56:43but maybe you should compare notes.

56:44>> I did share.

56:45>> Yeah, I have. Yeah. So, that's all part

56:48and the goal is to have a Zoom meeting

56:50after town. Sorry.

56:53>> What?

56:54>> To have Zoom during town meeting so that

56:56people can access it for all kinds of

56:58reasons why they can't.

57:01I remember in the old days at town, two

57:04little kids ran around microphones and

57:06if somebody got up in an aisle and

57:07wanted to speak, they walked the other

57:09mic over to somebody rather than have

57:12one mic. Right.

57:15>> All right. Uh, anything else? Any

57:18questions? We'll move on to approval of

57:21new road lampson Lane off of South Main

57:25Street at 104 South Main.

57:31So, both of the new private road um

57:34names, these have come about due to um

57:38the the density that that is happening

57:41in certain areas of town as we have been

57:43um trying to promote both through the

57:45planning commission and the the housing

57:47task force. And so, especially on

57:49properties that are are deep from the

57:52road, as people put in other um either

57:56ADUs or duplexes or triplexes back

57:58there, we're probably going to see a lot

58:00more of the the private driveways

58:03becoming private roads. Um because

58:06again, um three residential units is

58:09kind of buildings, residential

58:11structures is sort of the trigger for

58:14turning a driveway into a road. Um and

58:17so the first is here um the driveway of

58:20104 South Main Street is um is to become

58:25a private road with the proposed name of

58:27Lamson Lane.

58:28>> Making it a private road is this date

58:30doesn't give us a choice on that because

58:32we've got um we've got a triplex just

58:35behind 104 South Main Street. We've got

58:37the commercial building um out back

58:40which also there are two apartments in

58:42there. And then where the red line ends,

58:45um there is

58:47it's supposed to be a triplex. It might

58:49now be a duplex. Um but there are two

58:52more basically residential units back

58:55there. And I'm running out of numbers

58:59because they're pretty squeezed. So if I

59:01can steal 112 from the commercial

59:04building and give it to the ADU on 110,

59:09that would help me a lot. The new road

59:11name. So I think the one thing to

59:13reflect in these not in your minutes is

59:15that these are private roads. So the

59:17town's not maintained. I didn't

59:19appreciate that to be honest. I just

59:20didn't.

59:21>> So thank you for doing that.

59:23>> These are private roads.

59:24>> Yep. All right.

59:25>> Does that road go through a parking lot?

59:27>> Put it where it turns or is

59:29>> Okay.

59:30>> Yeah.

59:30>> All right. Entertain a motion.

59:33>> It's possible. Um there are talks of

59:35further developing space in that parking

59:37lot. Um, so it will it is unlikely to

59:41look like that large of a parking lot.

59:44>> I'd entertain a motion.

59:47>> Roger.

59:48>> I'll move to approve uh the naming of

59:51lampson lane.

59:52>> Can we put in there the private

59:55>> uh the proposed private road lamp?

1:00:01>> There a second.

1:00:02>> Second.

1:00:02>> Thanks. Any further discussion? All

1:00:05those in favor say I.

1:00:08All right. Um, approve new road, small

1:00:13hill road off Howard A.

1:00:16>> Um,

1:00:17>> oh, same same thing. Um the original

1:00:20plan that was um that was considered uh

1:00:24had the drive coming off of Route 100,

1:00:29but they decided for a number of reasons

1:00:32including safety sake and the layout of

1:00:35the property itself

1:00:37um to shift it over to Howard Avenue.

1:00:41the uh owner is um intending I believe

1:00:44there there is um a subdivision going on

1:00:47and so two new um shovel ready sites uh

1:00:53was

1:00:56>> wasn't approved PUB

1:00:58>> no longer

1:01:00yeah that when that expired that was

1:01:02from posted

1:01:03>> yeah I showed you how old I

1:01:05>> yeah well and and zoning permits for all

1:01:08variety of things um the work has to be

1:01:10done for two years.

1:01:11>> Yeah. Okay.

1:01:13>> So, the property is up for sale. Is it a

1:01:16person's selling the property owns the

1:01:18road and is going to sell with all

1:01:20>> I believe he I believe he is planning on

1:01:23staying in the existing house and

1:01:26selling off the newly subdivided

1:01:28parcels.

1:01:30>> Oh, okay. That's

1:01:31>> Yeah,

1:01:32>> cuz that road doesn't exist,

1:01:34>> right? No, but they they have um they

1:01:36have received the the cur permit. Um and

1:01:39so the the road the driveway slash road

1:01:43is now um ready for development

1:01:46>> and it's been subdivided.

1:01:48>> Yeah. Yes.

1:01:49>> Okay. Roger.

1:01:50>> Uh is the name uh due to the stature of

1:01:54the hill or is there some family

1:01:57involved?

1:01:58>> No, this is the the stature stat stature

1:02:02of the the hill on plant. Yeah, it's

1:02:05full.

1:02:07>> All right, come on up.

1:02:12>> Isn't there a major over there or

1:02:14something?

1:02:14>> Yeah, just to the right of the curb cut.

1:02:17There's a big culvert right there. Y

1:02:18[clears throat]

1:02:21>> Sandy, nice job.

1:02:24>> Um, yes. So, what's the

1:02:27>> They won't be impacting it. They're as

1:02:30close as they can be without impacting

1:02:32the wetlands this way.

1:02:33>> Yeah. And they have permits.

1:02:35>> Any type of retainage here? My cousin

1:02:38owns

1:02:38>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There's going to

1:02:41be a little bit of rotating. They

1:02:43squeezed it as far this way. And we

1:02:46wanted it as far this way just for sight

1:02:48distances from the So, they've got to do

1:02:50something there a little bit.

1:02:53>> All right.

1:02:53>> I figured that beard.

1:02:56>> Any other questions?

1:02:57>> No, I'm just excited about how this

1:02:59intersection is getting more.

1:03:00>> It's getting good.

1:03:02>> All right. turn on to Howard Avenue and

1:03:04all of a sudden there's a car.

1:03:05>> I know. Entertain a motion here.

1:03:09>> Move to approve the proposed private

1:03:12road small road.

1:03:14>> I'll second.

1:03:16>> Any further discussion?

1:03:18>> Question.

1:03:19>> Come on up, James.

1:03:22>> Approve.

1:03:24How about that?

1:03:26>> Well, you know, I live on Howard Avenue

1:03:28and is that minimum sight distance and

1:03:31met them to have a driveway pulling out

1:03:36at so close to the intersection?

1:03:39>> Yeah, they they got the permit from the

1:03:41from Celia, the highway supervisor, and

1:03:43Celia um approves the where driveways

1:03:46go. Um, so I can't speak to that

1:03:48specifically, but the parcel itself is

1:03:51large enough um to meet the zoning

1:03:53requirements with regards to subdividing

1:03:55it into three.

1:03:56>> Okay. I just have serious concern as a

1:04:00resident of that road

1:04:02>> about

1:04:04people turning the corner off 100 and

1:04:06having somebody pulling out.

1:04:08>> Yeah. Do you think they would be safer

1:04:09pulling out there or on route 100?

1:04:11>> Neither.

1:04:14>> Thank you.

1:04:15>> All right. Uh any further discussion,

1:04:18questions?

1:04:20I would all those in favor say I. I.

1:04:24>> All those opposed.

1:04:27>> So noted.

1:04:29Uh motion passes.

1:04:33Uh all right. We're moving on to the

1:04:36better connections demonstration

1:04:38projects

1:04:39program recommendations for the triangle

1:04:43elements to remain modified andor

1:04:47removed.

1:04:49Uh there was a better connections

1:04:52steering committee demonstration project

1:04:55recommendations posted with the meeting

1:04:57minutes

1:04:59and I think we have some

1:05:03uh

1:05:05>> that's not it.

1:05:08Um

1:05:10>> there you go. She's got it.

1:05:12>> Um Duncan or Katie, is there anything?

1:05:15Are they both on here?

1:05:18Yes, we're both on here.

1:05:19>> Yes, we're on. You

1:05:20>> guys have any introductory comments or

1:05:23anything you want to say before uh we

1:05:26start walking through this?

1:05:29Um I think maybe I'll just note the

1:05:31steering committee there's you know the

1:05:3414 member steering committee met last

1:05:36Wednesday uh August 26th to discuss the

1:05:42um what the group thought should be kept

1:05:45or

1:05:46changed removed based on the survey

1:05:49results you know inerson conversations

1:05:52many of the steering committee members

1:05:54live you know within the area and are

1:05:57are direct neighbors ers um with the

1:05:59project. Um we had the summer um event

1:06:03where we heard a lot of feedback and

1:06:05have had direct uh email uh exchanges

1:06:08with with many residents. So uh that's

1:06:10where these recommendations came from.

1:06:13Um, we included both the kind of uh

1:06:16short-term recommended actions as well

1:06:19as considerations for longer term

1:06:22adjustments

1:06:24um that would uh change the shorter term

1:06:28recommendations a little bit. So, we

1:06:30would be happy to answer um any

1:06:32questions about uh any of those written

1:06:35recommendations. And I also have and can

1:06:38share um with the select board as well.

1:06:41And I'm sorry I didn't have time to to

1:06:43present it earlier, share it earlier.

1:06:45Um, but we have some kind of

1:06:47visualizations of what some of those

1:06:49changes could look like if that's if

1:06:51that's helpful for folks. But also, I'm

1:06:53not a graphic designer, so take that

1:06:55with a grain of salt.

1:06:58>> Um, so I I'll just put it out here. I my

1:07:02understanding this is my understanding

1:07:04and correct me if it's not accurate um

1:07:08is that we agreed that at this meeting

1:07:11September 1st we would decide on the

1:07:14demonstration projects the elements to

1:07:16remain remove or modify at the triangle

1:07:21where and so that would be my

1:07:24interpretation personal but my

1:07:25interpretation is that's the shortterm

1:07:28uh actions that we would be talking

1:07:31about primarily tonight. And then in

1:07:34October after you guys have after the

1:07:37final report is done, um there'll be

1:07:40another meeting in our first meeting in

1:07:42October that will include sort of

1:07:46um I might need some help here

1:07:48summarizing

1:07:49or you're we'll have this the final

1:07:51recommendations. we can I would say talk

1:07:55about longer term considerations

1:07:59um and where you guys might go from

1:08:03where the better connections effort

1:08:05group might go from there. So, I guess

1:08:09my point is those were some bumbly words

1:08:11to say. We're only talking about making

1:08:13a decision on the shortterm triangle

1:08:16demonstration project tonight and then

1:08:19we'll meet again in October to talk

1:08:22about the future elements. Does that

1:08:26sound correct or want to modify it?

1:08:29Roger. Uh I agree and just wondering if

1:08:33uh you want a vote on each of the five

1:08:36items or you want to talk about the

1:08:39whole thing and then take a

1:08:42>> pleasure question.

1:08:43>> Okay.

1:08:44>> Um I just wanted to know if the

1:08:46committee itself was allowed to see the

1:08:49entire survey results in order to come

1:08:51up with these recommendations.

1:08:56Katie or Duncan, that's a question to

1:08:58you folks.

1:09:00the committee um saw the final report

1:09:04done by Stantech and was given a overall

1:09:08summary of the results. So we put

1:09:11together we read through all I think 370

1:09:14uh and as you saw we shared it with you

1:09:15as well. What were the most common

1:09:18comments for people who did not uh like

1:09:21the project? What were their concerns?

1:09:23What were the modifications they wanted?

1:09:25And then for the people that did like

1:09:26the project, what were their concerns,

1:09:28etc. So just we simplified that and

1:09:30summarized that for for that group as

1:09:33well.

1:09:34>> So the answer is yes.

1:09:37>> You the committee was

1:09:39>> they got they got the same information

1:09:40you got.

1:09:42>> So they did weren't allowed to see all

1:09:44the comments.

1:09:45>> Well, it's not that we prevented them,

1:09:46but we didn't think that they would want

1:09:49to read 370 comments. So we went through

1:09:51and we summarized them for them just as

1:09:53we did for you.

1:10:05We're talking.

1:10:10>> I never know. I'll try. Um Lisa from the

1:10:13water roundabout. Um Katie

1:10:15[clears throat] Duncan. Um and and to

1:10:17the board, I would

1:10:21propose that this is public information

1:10:23that was gathered, the 370 comments from

1:10:26community members. Um I know I'd be

1:10:29happy to crack open a cold beverage and

1:10:32read through those myself. Um I'm sure a

1:10:34lot of people would. Um a Google form

1:10:35that this that was used to collect these

1:10:37is an easy thing to download as a

1:10:39spreadsheet. You could delete names if

1:10:40you want to delete names and their email

1:10:42addresses. Um, couple years ago when the

1:10:44school budget went down, the Water

1:10:45Roundabout and Valley Reporter did a

1:10:47survey in the community asking people

1:10:49how they voted and why. We got over 400

1:10:52comments and we did exactly that. We

1:10:54just we posted all of them and it was

1:10:57fascinating. Um, it would be great to be

1:10:59able to read the actual feedback and see

1:11:01what people had to say.

1:11:02>> Um, how about I'll make a suggestion to

1:11:06the U committee program. I don't know

1:11:10what to call you guys.

1:11:12Thank you. Thank you. The steering

1:11:14committee um

1:11:16uh why don't you post it on the Better

1:11:19Connections web page? Um

1:11:24um my understanding I do have one

1:11:27question about the survey. Was it you

1:11:29could only comment once or was it you

1:11:32could you could comment as many times as

1:11:35you wanted. So like entering a lottery

1:11:38or something. It's there there are no

1:11:41names or emails attached to the survey.

1:11:44So theoretically people if they felt

1:11:47strongly they could comment many times

1:11:49and there were some responses as you'll

1:11:51see because we will we're happy to post

1:11:53it. Uh we're just trying to save people

1:11:55time. Uh you'll see some some responses

1:11:57are the same over and over again. So you

1:11:59know it may be that that's the same

1:12:00person.

1:12:01>> Um but no there's no name, no email. Um

1:12:04so there's no you can't tell who who

1:12:07responded to anything. Um but h happy to

1:12:10post them. People are welcome to open up

1:12:12a cold brevage and re and read 307.

1:12:15>> I think that would be helpful. U I don't

1:12:17think it precludes us from making some

1:12:19decisions tonight or are we postponing

1:12:21that effort?

1:12:23>> I I don't agree with that. We were told

1:12:26and we told the public that we would

1:12:28base our decision on that survey and we

1:12:31were we were not we didn't get to look

1:12:33at it. We only got the graphs or we

1:12:38didn't get those until I mean I got it

1:12:41Sunday because Duncan sends it to me.

1:12:43But if I looked at the what we got

1:12:4890 well actually almost all these

1:12:51answers are negative. So, if I was just

1:12:54looking at this and not looking at the

1:12:56comment, my thought would be get rid of

1:12:59it all because and that's not my

1:13:01thought. But I don't I don't have any

1:13:04way to find out what the the public

1:13:06suggested. I don't have any way to look

1:13:09at that. And I feel like that should

1:13:11have been my decision based on what we

1:13:13told the public. And we told the public,

1:13:16fill out the survey. We'll do the we

1:13:19will make our decision based on the

1:13:21survey. and and this survey has nothing

1:13:24to do with the five elements that you're

1:13:27asking us to make a decision on.

1:13:30It says, "Do you feel safer?"

1:13:32Well, that doesn't say because of the

1:13:34sign or what? I I just don't feel like

1:13:38this survey can gives me enough

1:13:41information to make a decision on five

1:13:43elements that are very controversial on

1:13:46some of them. I don't feel comfortable

1:13:49making a decision with the information

1:13:51that I have and I don't know if anybody

1:13:53else is. I do know that I'm not the only

1:13:56one that asked for the survey results at

1:13:59the last meeting and we were told we

1:14:02would get a week to review them. Even if

1:14:06we only I mean this wouldn't have been

1:14:08enough for me to make a decision anyway.

1:14:11But I feel like in if we had given a

1:14:13been given a week if we had been given

1:14:16them a week ago I could have said no I

1:14:20want the rest of the survey but not

1:14:23getting it till Sunday that wasn't

1:14:24happening.

1:14:27So, we're not going to uh consider the

1:14:31steering committee, the advisory

1:14:32committee, and the program uh

1:14:35recommendations, the folks that have

1:14:38been managing this project from the

1:14:40get-go.

1:14:41>> I'm not saying I'll listen, but I'm not

1:14:43making a final decision. When I was told

1:14:46I could see that service,

1:14:48>> okay, how does the rest of the board

1:14:49feel? I wasn't under the impression we

1:14:52were making a final decision tonight

1:14:54anyway. This was presented as we don't

1:14:58want to pull some tear something

1:14:59[clears throat] out that we are going to

1:15:01want to put back later. So this is a

1:15:03preliminary discussion about what

1:15:05[clears throat] definitely needs to go

1:15:07or definitely needs to stay not

1:15:11the final decision on anything and I

1:15:13feel like we have at least a decent

1:15:16amount of information to make that

1:15:17decision.

1:15:19Roger. Uh, I think we're voted into

1:15:22office to uh

1:15:24protect the the health and well-being of

1:15:27the community. Um, I wouldn't base all

1:15:31of that on any particular survey,

1:15:34particularly one that people can vote on

1:15:37a million times if they so choose. So, I

1:15:40think we use our eyes, our ears, our

1:15:42brain to make these decisions. We had a

1:15:45hearing in here in which a number of

1:15:47people from the community came forward

1:15:49and stated their opinions, those for

1:15:51those against a variety of these things.

1:15:54I attended the steering committee

1:15:56meeting uh last week and heard all the

1:15:59steering committee people uh actively

1:16:02debate and deliberate on all of these

1:16:04issues. So, I feel perfectly capable to

1:16:07make a decision about which of these

1:16:10things we're going to uh decide to keep

1:16:12and which we're going to eliminate. And

1:16:15that's not a permanent decision. That's

1:16:17just a an immediate decision as to what

1:16:20the general consensus is on which of

1:16:24these elements are working a charge.

1:16:26>> Don,

1:16:28>> um I appreciate that, Roger. And part of

1:16:31me looking at this whole project, I

1:16:34don't see any harm in delaying it two

1:16:36weeks. The stuff is already there. You

1:16:38know, I would love the ballards to come

1:16:40down. I don't see anywhere where that

1:16:42says that they're coming down in here.

1:16:45>> Well,

1:16:47anybody point out where they say I know

1:16:49it says get rid of the yellow.

1:16:53>> Oh, I think it does say get rid of the

1:16:55ball. the ballard. There's supposed to

1:16:56be remove removal of the ballards and

1:16:59traffic cones on

1:17:02>> road.

1:17:03>> I think they forgot to mention it in

1:17:05here.

1:17:06>> Well, we can make that decision.

1:17:08>> Yeah, I mean there

1:17:09>> I have no problem with making decisions

1:17:11to get rid of things, but to permanently

1:17:13to make them a permanent thing, I don't

1:17:16feel like I have enough information to

1:17:18make a decision to keep things

1:17:21permanent. But I think waiting two weeks

1:17:24now that we've requested well we've

1:17:27asked again to get the final results of

1:17:30the entire survey. I think that's a re

1:17:33reasonable request because I don't think

1:17:35this work can get done this year anyway.

1:17:38I I think the the point for

1:17:42uh the request was that the

1:17:44demonstration project ended as of

1:17:48August. So there's a question of if

1:17:51there's things to be removed

1:17:53particularly i.e. the ballards um that

1:17:57that decision should be made and to

1:17:59allow public works time. Um I you know I

1:18:05think we should we made a commitment a

1:18:08month ago to make this decision or to

1:18:11have this decision process occur

1:18:13tonight. Um, you know, I guess I would

1:18:17suggest and to Roger, having Roger

1:18:20attend that meeting, have him having him

1:18:23be knowledgeable that uh to bring that

1:18:26information in addition to the steering

1:18:28committee's recommendations. I I am fine

1:18:31going through and seeing going through

1:18:34these lists, the list of stop signs,

1:18:37parking spaces, crosswalk, going through

1:18:40the shortterm immediate action items and

1:18:43either and to your point, I vote

1:18:46individually on them if you want and see

1:18:50if this can be whittleled down to help

1:18:52improve this process.

1:18:55I don't see waiting two more weeks. I

1:18:58mean, I agree with Roger. We had the

1:19:00hearing. We've uh had the

1:19:02recommendations from the committee that

1:19:04have been deeply involved in this. I

1:19:06think it's time to make a decision.

1:19:09>> Well, I do have another statement. When

1:19:12we had our first select board meeting,

1:19:16we had consent agenda items. We refused

1:19:19to sign those because we didn't know

1:19:22what that was all about. We didn't have

1:19:23any knowledge of it. This is a lot more

1:19:26serious than consent agenda item that

1:19:29we're voting on. I mean, this is a major

1:19:32thing enough so that we had a special

1:19:34meeting. I don't feel like we

1:19:39>> you promised that we would get the the

1:19:40and and make any promises.

1:19:43>> You want me to come back? All right.

1:19:46>> I'm just saying that it's I don't

1:19:48understand how we're expected to make

1:19:51this decision. I understand Roger. I can

1:19:53see it. That's great. I didn't Roger

1:19:56also could have said at that meeting, I

1:19:58want to see all of the answers, but you

1:20:01know, I don't know if he did, but I was

1:20:04told I would base my decision on this

1:20:07survey.

1:20:07>> Okay. And we've heard you and you've had

1:20:09your opinion. I guess I would ask the

1:20:11rest of the board, do you want to table

1:20:13this thing for two more weeks or do you

1:20:15want to make some decisions?

1:20:16>> Well, I just want to add I mean, when if

1:20:18you look at the long-term redesigns, I

1:20:20mean, there's some that's not what I'm

1:20:22just saying. Okay.

1:20:24When you look at the long-term

1:20:25redesigns, that's I was going to push

1:20:27and say that for public works director

1:20:30to make that make sure it happens within

1:20:32two years or it certainly can't happen

1:20:33in 27 because it's just too quick. But

1:20:36certainly in 28 I'd like to see some of

1:20:38these intersections be redesigned as

1:20:41this proposal so on doesn't mean as that

1:20:44two-year goes when we do the redesign we

1:20:47can't see how effective these have been

1:20:49for two years. When you say these are

1:20:50permanent I mean nothing's permanent.

1:20:53I'm just saying it's so I don't see a

1:20:56big yank about, you know, all the

1:20:57information we have to go ahead and

1:20:58approve these as it's listed and still

1:21:01take into consideration as we move

1:21:03forward for two years when we do the the

1:21:05more involved projects that we make

1:21:08those adjustments and that gives us two

1:21:10years of data and how it's been used,

1:21:11you know, moving forward.

1:21:13>> Well, yeah, I don't want to commit on

1:21:14any of these longer term considerations.

1:21:17That's not what

1:21:18>> I understand. Okay. But there

1:21:19something's going to happen long term.

1:21:20has got to

1:21:21>> but my perspective that's what happens

1:21:24in October's meeting all right because

1:21:26then we have their whole report we have

1:21:29the recommendations I don't think that

1:21:32um making short-term decisions of taking

1:21:35out father should be delayed I agree

1:21:39>> if I understood Sandy correctly uh she's

1:21:43interested in making decisions about

1:21:46things that should be removed

1:21:49So, I'll move that we just vote on what

1:21:53should be removed at this meeting and

1:21:56leave the rest of it for subsequent

1:21:59meetings.

1:22:00>> I'll second in two weeks.

1:22:02>> Subsequent meetings or whatever.

1:22:05>> I might as well wait till October.

1:22:08>> I'll second that.

1:22:11>> Any further discussion?

1:22:13>> Second or can I discuss?

1:22:16>> Yes, please. Um, to the best of my

1:22:19knowledge, the ballards ballards are

1:22:21rent are loaners from regional planning.

1:22:26They're expected to go back soon. Um,

1:22:29and from a public works standpoint, as I

1:22:31wrote in my memo, the balls were

1:22:33non-negotiable on my point where I

1:22:36thought they needed to be

1:22:39and acting could just cover that. The

1:22:40rest of my memo stands on its own, but

1:22:44the balls were, I believe, expected to

1:22:46be removed. They're temporary.

1:22:49>> Yes.

1:22:52>> And we we have a volunteer lined up if

1:22:54if the board decides to remove the

1:22:57ballards, which was a common comment in

1:23:00the survey. Um and which our steering

1:23:04committee recommended. Um we have a

1:23:06volunteer lined up to be able to remove

1:23:08all the ballards in the next day or two.

1:23:10Uh if that is the decision and I think

1:23:13>> hi.

1:23:14>> Hi Dan Snder. I'm on the steering

1:23:16committee as well. Um, we did meet last

1:23:20week. Um, we almost all unanimously

1:23:23agreed that the ballers uh weren't going

1:23:25to stick around. Uh, and if you look at

1:23:27the list of recommendations, it's it's

1:23:29less than permanent. It's mostly pain on

1:23:31roof. Um, it's uh it's this was agreed

1:23:35upon by the local residents of that area

1:23:39um who experience the traffic in that

1:23:41area every single day. um and business

1:23:46owners that also are subject to having

1:23:49themselves and staff drive through that

1:23:51area. Um I have staff walking from that

1:23:54triangle cream to the mill on a daily

1:23:56basis. It's dangerous. Hear about it

1:23:59from them every single day. Um and these

1:24:02are kids. Um this is frostwalks and

1:24:06paint on a road. Uh if it doesn't work

1:24:08out in a year, two, it's probably going

1:24:11to wash away. I get my blinds painted

1:24:13every single year uh by Scott. They do a

1:24:17great job. They did a good job here.

1:24:19They can do a good job in the triangle

1:24:21making these little improvements. But

1:24:24this is small, less than permanent

1:24:26stuff.

1:24:27I think almost anyone looking at this

1:24:30and reading down this list, it's it's

1:24:33almost all for the public good and

1:24:36safety. I don't see anyone getting

1:24:38harmed by any of these things. Uh, and

1:24:40the one thing that maybe there could be

1:24:42an argument that it could be harmful to

1:24:44the volumes. We all agree that they they

1:24:47didn't really work out. So, um, I don't

1:24:50think anyone disagrees that they should

1:24:51probably go. Uh, and it's a pretty quick

1:24:53removal. So,

1:24:55>> thank you.

1:24:56>> And did they ever get out and look at

1:24:58that drainage?

1:24:59>> Uh, they did. It's It's taken care of.

1:25:01Thank you.

1:25:03>> Was there

1:25:10We hired a sheriff this year to try to

1:25:13slow traffic down. I can't hear you.

1:25:15Sorry. See,

1:25:18>> that's why I was going to say earlier

1:25:19there. That's why I usually speak so

1:25:20loud that I made sure people tried to

1:25:22call me down a little bit. People think

1:25:24I'm yelling.

1:25:29>> I already used it. He can't use it.

1:25:31>> I'm chair this year to try to calm

1:25:33traffic down. I'm wondering what

1:25:36possible implications that this this

1:25:39hiring may have to do with with uh this

1:25:42street along with others. Uh my concern

1:25:45is that

1:25:48parts of our neighborhood are being

1:25:52how do I say it's not taking over but

1:25:57changed

1:26:00that are impacting the entire town and

1:26:03beyond.

1:26:04if the change are too drastic. Um, since

1:26:08the changes had been made to this

1:26:10gentleman's point, two people that live

1:26:13right in that triangle were nearly hit.

1:26:16One was a young girl and the other one

1:26:19was a gentleman.

1:26:21Uh

1:26:24the only thing that never got talked

1:26:26about on any of this project was taking

1:26:28part of the right of way that the town

1:26:31owns

1:26:32so that we don't infringe on the traffic

1:26:36pathways. I know that part of this was

1:26:40to possibly slow down the traffic. It

1:26:44was talked about in the memo I

1:26:46>> Okay. I talked about it to you.

1:26:49It never went anywhere, I guess, right?

1:26:52It never got part of the to be part of

1:26:54the consideration because it would have

1:26:56been

1:26:56>> Did you answer the tanked the minute

1:26:58>> Did you answer the survey?

1:27:00>> I did not.

1:27:02>> Okay.

1:27:03>> Okay. I did not because I felt like I

1:27:06was wasting my time. Uh the fact that

1:27:10the survey is not being released

1:27:13certainly doesn't incentivize people to

1:27:15fill out surveys later on.

1:27:19All right. Thank you, Chris.

1:27:20>> Anyway,

1:27:21>> I got it.

1:27:21>> I just I want to know it's almost like

1:27:23we're trying two different changes. Not

1:27:25only hiring a sheriff, but also

1:27:28instituting this these changes.

1:27:30>> This is a demonstration

1:27:31>> when the sheriff may have

1:27:33>> Okay.

1:27:33>> proven, you know, their worth,

1:27:35>> right?

1:27:36>> All right. We're going to um we're going

1:27:39to go through these and

1:27:41>> there's a motion on the table.

1:27:43>> Oh, that's right. Sorry.

1:27:44>> Correct.

1:27:45>> Correct. A motion by Roger Clap to vote

1:27:48only on elements to be removed tonight.

1:27:51Seconded by Sandy S.

1:27:52>> All right. Any further discussion?

1:27:55All those in favor say I.

1:27:57>> I.

1:27:58>> All right.

1:28:01All right. Any oppose?

1:28:03>> Okay. All right. Roger. I'm going to ask

1:28:06you to lead us down this list since

1:28:09you're the most familiar with it.

1:28:11>> Um, sure.

1:28:13>> Thank you.

1:28:14Uh first one is stop signs.

1:28:17Uh the recommendation is to keep all the

1:28:20signs. Uh and uh the only thing to be

1:28:24removed is vegetation around the

1:28:27southbound sign on roads.

1:28:31>> So uh

1:28:33>> I was under the impression it was the

1:28:34northbound

1:28:36vegetation.

1:28:38Uh

1:28:39>> that was done.

1:28:40>> That was pre the project on removal

1:28:43vegetation northbound. The southbound

1:28:45one could add more vegetation. It

1:28:48doesn't have the best sight.

1:28:50>> I don't think anyone's arguing that one.

1:28:53>> All right. We can vote on all those in

1:28:56favor of stop signs immediate action

1:28:59keep all new stop sign.

1:29:00>> No, we can't keep it.

1:29:02>> But we can talking about what needs to

1:29:04be removed.

1:29:05>> We can remove the vegetation.

1:29:07vegetation.

1:29:08So, the motion I can't take the motion.

1:29:11>> Well, we're just going through here of

1:29:13what's being recommended to remove.

1:29:16>> So,

1:29:17>> yeah, stop signs weren't recommended to

1:29:19be removed.

1:29:20>> No, but the vegetation is recommended.

1:29:23>> So, I'll move to remove the vegetation

1:29:24around the stop signs.

1:29:28>> All those in favor say I.

1:29:29>> I.

1:29:30>> Okay. Next.

1:29:32>> Next is parking spaces. Immediate action

1:29:34is to keep the parking spaces but reduce

1:29:37the width by blackening out the vertical

1:29:40striping. So what's to be removed is uh

1:29:44the stripes so that uh more more parking

1:29:49spaces can be created along the

1:29:51building.

1:29:52>> Now let me redefine that. What's going

1:29:53to be removed is the long stripe on the

1:29:56that faces the road to because they're

1:29:59way wider than a normal parking space.

1:30:01And I think what you mentioned the fact

1:30:02that it's hard to tell where the curve

1:30:04is as you're partly in the park. There's

1:30:06no designated. So they're way too wide.

1:30:08So it's to remove the line that's in the

1:30:10road, the long line because it's too

1:30:12wide. And and put T's and I believe we

1:30:15>> we're only removing

1:30:17>> I know we're gonna remove that. That's

1:30:18it. Just to make them so they're not so

1:30:20wide.

1:30:20>> I think I just I'd like to verify with

1:30:23public works that that's uh what is

1:30:25being

1:30:26>> Yes. Just be aware there's a cost to

1:30:28removal

1:30:29>> as opposed to just leaving them in

1:30:34>> letting them wear wherever.

1:30:36>> Yeah.

1:30:37>> So to blacken them there

1:30:41>> and also

1:30:43>> if I may add the diagonal the diagonal

1:30:47parking spaces are also very long and we

1:30:49were going to shorten those a little

1:30:50bit. So those are again about eight or

1:30:52nine feet instead of 12 feet.

1:30:54the the whole goal is to widen, have

1:30:57more space on the road for people

1:30:58backing out, etc.

1:31:02>> Um,

1:31:03>> what's the motion?

1:31:04>> Well, I'm just a little clarification is

1:31:07uh because uh the suggestion has been

1:31:10made that we could just let winter do

1:31:11its thing and then uh start over next

1:31:14spring. Uh it's going to be cheaper and

1:31:17uh

1:31:19>> you consider it out rather than paying

1:31:21for it.

1:31:22>> Right.

1:31:23All right.

1:31:26There's no removal. I have a question.

1:31:29Yeah.

1:31:31Okay.

1:31:33I live nearby. Um does the pave corner

1:31:37of Howard

1:31:38um which is technically ductal road goes

1:31:42by the old TJ store down to the corner

1:31:45where Maple branches off is in much

1:31:48poorer condition than the other two

1:31:50sides of the green.

1:31:51>> Correct. When is the town planning to

1:31:53repay that? Because that would also

1:31:55>> that's going to be in the longer

1:31:57conversation.

1:31:59>> Yes.

1:32:00>> On 2027

1:32:02where you have the crosswalk now. It's

1:32:04pretty

1:32:05>> 2728 somewhere in there. Yeah, that was

1:32:07the original plan.

1:32:09>> Okay. My request sooner rather than

1:32:12>> because there are holes in the pavement

1:32:14that crosswalk.

1:32:15>> Okay.

1:32:15>> Thanks.

1:32:17>> What's [clears throat] the motion? The

1:32:19motion is to do not to do nothing.

1:32:21>> Okay.

1:32:23All right.

1:32:24>> Public works specializes in

1:32:27[laughter]

1:32:28gold star.

1:32:32>> All right. Crosswatch.

1:32:34>> Crosswalk.

1:32:35>> Okay. Here we've got a few gal in the

1:32:38house. Immediate action is to keep the

1:32:40crosswalk. Well, can't do that. Uh

1:32:43implement uh Bill Woodruff's proposed

1:32:46intersection design. Can't do that. Um,

1:32:51is there anything to be removed? Remove

1:32:54tactile warning pads.

1:32:56>> Yes.

1:32:58Uh, remove the white line curving tur

1:33:02curve turning right onto how

1:33:06does that make sense?

1:33:08>> Is that where the

1:33:08>> or is that maybe that's one of those

1:33:10things doesn't have to be done. Well,

1:33:13um,

1:33:14okay. The issue with that one is uh if

1:33:17you remove the ballards and and I know

1:33:19um in Duncan Duncan or somebody took the

1:33:22bales of hay and the planters out. So

1:33:24now people want to go to the grains and

1:33:26we heard that from Peter in his

1:33:28testimony. They're just going to drive

1:33:30right over the mural. It's kind of wide

1:33:31open like it's always been. It's really

1:33:33a hazard. So what a suggestion would was

1:33:36to paint a yield yield right lane where

1:33:40to the right of the telephone.

1:33:43So that's a designated lane. Some people

1:33:45isn't just freelance. So that's sort of

1:33:47an additional thing, an additional cost,

1:33:49>> right?

1:33:49>> So, but the white line never would go

1:33:51because that's a weird angle to turn

1:33:53around that telephone.

1:33:55>> Well, we just agreed that we're only

1:33:56going to be talking about what needs to

1:33:58be removed.

1:33:59>> So, I'll move to remove the tactile

1:34:01warning pads.

1:34:03>> Second.

1:34:05>> All those in favor say I.

1:34:08>> All right.

1:34:09If you vote standing, I hope.

1:34:13>> All right.

1:34:14Uh, Granger and Park immediate action

1:34:18remove the tactile pads.

1:34:22>> Take a motion.

1:34:24>> I'll move to remove tactile pads at

1:34:26Granger and Park.

1:34:28>> Second.

1:34:31>> All those in favor say I.

1:34:33>> I.

1:34:34>> Okay. Howard Maplea.

1:34:38Um, add remove center yellow line south

1:34:43of crosswalk.

1:34:46Uh, I'd like to get a clarification from

1:34:48uh, public works on uh, how feasible

1:34:51that is. And if you remove the yellow

1:34:53line, what's going to happen?

1:34:55>> Yeah, it's confusing there now. I don't

1:34:57know that people are really going to

1:34:59fall off the yellow. I think they're

1:35:00just

1:35:01>> It seems like a little herky jerky.

1:35:03>> Yeah. Um, and the yellow line is removed

1:35:06already now towards

1:35:08towards [clears throat] gal. So,

1:35:11and when you paint black over the

1:35:13existing yellow to remove it, it gives

1:35:16it just makes it look like black box.

1:35:19>> So,

1:35:20>> how about do nothing?

1:35:21>> I like it.

1:35:22>> Okay.

1:35:22>> All right.

1:35:23>> I'll I'll move to do nothing. [laughter]

1:35:27>> We're not

1:35:30We're not

1:35:31>> not gonna vote on that We're going to

1:35:32That's not a removal.

1:35:34>> Okay. Uh pedestrian lanes. Howard. Uh

1:35:38keep pedestrian lane, remove ballards.

1:35:40I'll move to remove ballards.

1:35:42>> I'll second it.

1:35:45>> Well, all those in favor say I.

1:35:47>> I.

1:35:48>> All right.

1:35:48>> Uh last one, Maple Street.

1:35:51Um

1:35:53remove yellow center line as mentioned

1:35:56above. Uh again, I'll question my public

1:36:00works on

1:36:01>> I thought that was already gone. Isn't

1:36:03that already blackened out?

1:36:04>> They blackened out some of it. Yeah. And

1:36:07in a perfect world, the state comes and

1:36:09Pat paints our yellow lines

1:36:13and they might straighten some of this

1:36:15out for us.

1:36:16>> So,

1:36:17>> so down.

1:36:18>> They might.

1:36:19>> That's nothing.

1:36:20>> So, we do nothing.

1:36:23>> All right. Yeah. What about the

1:36:24pedestrian lane on Maple? Because in my

1:36:27opinion, that was the biggest issue

1:36:29anywhere in this whole project. I I

1:36:32walked that I felt very unsafe,

1:36:36>> you know. Um on Maple Street.

1:36:39>> Yeah, that was discussed quite a bit

1:36:40during the uh um the steering committee.

1:36:44Uh Duncan Katie, do you have comments on

1:36:47that?

1:36:48>> I was really surprised to see it in the

1:36:50recommendations that it stays

1:36:53Yeah, it was it was committed either

1:36:55way, but uh let's let's hear what the uh

1:36:59facilitators of the meeting have to say

1:37:00about that.

1:37:04>> So, we definitely, as you know, took

1:37:06down the Ballards on Maple Street. That

1:37:08was uh a a concern that a lot of people

1:37:11mentioned and we did it very quickly. Uh

1:37:13but in discussions with Bill, um he was

1:37:16in support of keeping the walkway uh on

1:37:20Maple Street and the crosswalk. So, uh,

1:37:22that was something that we recommended

1:37:24as well.

1:37:26>> And the steering committee did have some

1:37:31varied responses, but generally were in

1:37:33support of keeping them and felt like as

1:37:36with the other pedestrian lanes that um,

1:37:40overall it was a positive safety

1:37:43feature. Although there were some

1:37:45comments about feeling less safe without

1:37:47the ballards, but again there was

1:37:49agreement about removing the ballards.

1:37:51Um and with the pedestrian lane, there's

1:37:55some kind of accessibility

1:37:57um

1:37:59uh considerations as well where not

1:38:01everybody can walk on

1:38:04um the grass as much as they can walk on

1:38:07pavement. So it still provides a level

1:38:09of safety for them and that's why it was

1:38:11decided to be included.

1:38:15What I was saying was I think it's a

1:38:17good idea. I think if we expand our

1:38:20rightway or utilize more of our rightway

1:38:22so that the road lane width stays at 10

1:38:25or 10 and a half and then we give the

1:38:28pedestrians four or five ft on the

1:38:30right. That would involve removing some

1:38:33trees from the within the rightway.

1:38:36Probably not a popular decision with the

1:38:38[clears throat] homeowner. Um, but I

1:38:41support the idea of getting people

1:38:44safely from there up to Hope Baby Park.

1:38:46I don't think there's enough room to do

1:38:48it with what we got laid out.

1:38:52I think we have the right away to do it,

1:38:54but like I said, we [clears throat] have

1:38:55to cut trees

1:38:59a little more.

1:39:01>> But I feel like that would be part of

1:39:04the long term.

1:39:05>> Oh, absolutely.

1:39:06here.

1:39:08>> I think that having people walking

1:39:09there, especially without the ballers,

1:39:11does not

1:39:14>> last night. I

1:39:16>> I walked the whole triangle and did

1:39:18everything just because I'm with my dogs

1:39:21to see what it was like and how I felt.

1:39:25Um, after work, so there's a little bit

1:39:27more traffic and walking. There was a

1:39:31lot of places I maybe did feel a little

1:39:33bit better. That was not one of them

1:39:36because I felt I walked against the

1:39:40traffic. When I was walking to Hope

1:39:43Davey, I just it's hard for me to walk

1:39:46with the traffic and feel comfortable no

1:39:48matter what lines.

1:39:49>> Yeah.

1:39:50>> And that's and that's you know, normally

1:39:53I would go to the other side of the road

1:39:54and come, but now that drives the

1:39:56traffic closer in and

1:39:59>> it's hard to do. And Sandy, you know, in

1:40:02in my head of talking with some folks

1:40:04about redesigning that intersection is

1:40:06square off that T where Maple Street and

1:40:09Howard Avenue meet because right now

1:40:11it's called a slip lane. They just fly

1:40:12around that round corner and so take the

1:40:15walkway in front of the branch hall and

1:40:16make it be on that side of the so you

1:40:19cross over there and not open. No one

1:40:21goes up Howard Avenue to the far right

1:40:24across to go up. They always go to the

1:40:26left to go that way. But that's a long

1:40:28turn. That's part

1:40:31>> you should have saw what it was like

1:40:32before that was put in.

1:40:35>> I just have a point of order. We agreed

1:40:37we're only going to talk about what's

1:40:38going to be removed. And so and I don't

1:40:43have a dog in this fight. So I could

1:40:45either say let winter do its thing and

1:40:48do nothing or we can move to uh have

1:40:51that white lane blocked up.

1:40:55I'll move to remove the street on street

1:41:00lost

1:41:02if you want to direct me to

1:41:05limit cost whatever.

1:41:08>> Yeah.

1:41:09>> Just this

1:41:13little

1:41:15I think doesn't having a pedestrian then

1:41:18they made an area designate some state

1:41:20requirements.

1:41:22So by leaving mother nature to let it

1:41:24happen, it's then it's a required

1:41:27pedestrian.

1:41:28>> I think we just have a motion on the

1:41:29table to remove it.

1:41:30>> Oh, I didn't hear it. Sorry. I thought

1:41:32it

1:41:32>> You have to talk louder.

1:41:34>> Thank you. Thank you. Wanted to make

1:41:36sure next time we'll have microphone.

1:41:40>> And I'll second that.

1:41:42>> So there's a motion on the table to

1:41:44remove the pedestrian lane on M Street.

1:41:46>> Correct.

1:41:47>> At as low cost as possible. as low cost

1:41:51as possible,

1:41:51>> especially without the balls there.

1:41:53>> Yeah. Uh any further discussion? All

1:41:57those in favor say I.

1:41:58>> I.

1:41:59>> I.

1:42:00>> Okay.

1:42:01>> All right. I think that's uh it. What

1:42:05the next

1:42:06>> Well, it's not I mean what's left on set

1:42:08is we want uh the public and the select

1:42:12board to go through all the data that

1:42:13Duncan and Katie are going to provide,

1:42:15you know, with all the comments, all 300

1:42:17and whatever. And I would like to

1:42:18revisit this to see what else we want to

1:42:20do. I mean, all we agreed to is through

1:42:22the

1:42:23>> So, there might be some other decisions

1:42:24we haven't gotten to yet,

1:42:27>> long term. Shortterm, right?

1:42:28>> Yeah. I'm going to ask that we wait

1:42:30until the October time. Okay. So, um

1:42:34Duncan and Katie will work to get the

1:42:37survey posted, survey results posted,

1:42:40please on the Better Connections

1:42:43website.

1:42:44um that has been has all the process and

1:42:48the steering comm you know that page

1:42:49that I'm talking about

1:42:51>> and then we'll still keep the October

1:42:544th date. Um

1:42:58when will you have the final stand

1:43:01report in in September sometime?

1:43:04>> That's already been released and is

1:43:05posted on the town website.

1:43:08>> Okay. All right. So that's there

1:43:11>> and the select board meeting is October

1:43:136th by the way, not the 4th.

1:43:15>> 6. I keep doing that. Thank you, Duncan.

1:43:18>> Y

1:43:18>> uh Roger, do you have something?

1:43:20>> Yeah, at that uh steering committee

1:43:22meeting, um one of the um members uh

1:43:27asked about because the original

1:43:29viewpoint was to look at larger uh

1:43:32issues around uh traffic and pedestrian

1:43:35safety uh in Waterbury Center. One of

1:43:38the uh participants asked about a uh

1:43:42sidewalk study uh to extend from Stow

1:43:46Street uh Stow Street Bridge to uh uh

1:43:50Billings Mobile and Shaw. And uh so I

1:43:54went and talked with the uh public works

1:43:58[snorts] director about uh the status of

1:44:02that study uh and he agreed. He's here

1:44:05right now. um

1:44:08that uh it had been mothballled pending

1:44:11the uh completion of the Stow Street

1:44:13Bridge which is now complete and that it

1:44:16was time to pull it out of mothballs. Uh

1:44:18so that did get some action Mike and uh

1:44:21so I think it's been move forward. Do

1:44:23you want to make that an agenda item?

1:44:25>> Uh I just I'm just uh a little bit of a

1:44:29related observation on this issue.

1:44:33Can I speak a bit?

1:44:35Mike Hedges. Um, what state is the

1:44:40feasibility study?

1:44:43What?

1:44:44>> We had grant money to do a study. Um, we

1:44:48narrowed things down to getting us

1:44:50across once the bridge was completed.

1:44:53Um, and the sidewalk terminated on 100,

1:44:56getting us across 100 and perhaps up as

1:45:00far as Billings Mobile. Uh the grant

1:45:02money does not cover getting that

1:45:06constructed. Um we've had the the

1:45:09initial discussions. Um we probably have

1:45:12enough money in the grant and etc to get

1:45:15us across 100 to terminate on a small

1:45:18piece of sidewalk on the west sidewalk

1:45:20and on that gas station side at Flush

1:45:25Hill.

1:45:26>> Yeah, that's it.

1:45:28We've got we don't design plans.

1:45:32>> Uh we've got like uh we've got some

1:45:36Yeah, we've got them across the other

1:45:38side.

1:45:39>> Nothing up as far as buildings.

1:45:42>> So point of order, you know, this isn't

1:45:43on the agenda. There might be people

1:45:45very

1:45:46status of this. We'll put it on the

1:45:48agenda next meeting and do a more

1:45:50formal. Well, I think if we look back um

1:45:54I brought this up

1:45:57>> months ago,

1:45:57>> April

1:45:59>> and said, "What's the appetite?" And I

1:46:01think let's get moving forward. So,

1:46:04thank you everyone.

1:46:05>> All right. We have a motion on the

1:46:07table.

1:46:08>> Oh, go ahead. Who's on that? Was that

1:46:10Duncan?

1:46:11>> Yes, please. I just wanted to clarify.

1:46:13Um so, I'm going to ask our volunteer to

1:46:15take down all the ballards and the

1:46:17yellow tactile pads. My question for

1:46:20Bill is the hope was to establish a

1:46:23right turn from Guptal Road to uh Howard

1:46:26Avenue. If we take down the Ballards, is

1:46:28that okay? Because that that right turn

1:46:31would not have been marked yet. Do you

1:46:34want us to wait or should we just go

1:46:35ahead and take down all the ballards?

1:46:38take down what you got and um we'll see

1:46:42if we can make that

1:46:44easier for people to understand with

1:46:46some markings or

1:46:49>> so once and aware of it wasn't ever

1:46:52anything there anyway. So,

1:46:55>> okay,

1:46:56>> the next day or two they'll all be gone.

1:46:58So, maybe they won't park.

1:47:01>> All right, let's um take a vote on uh

1:47:05what's our motion here?

1:47:08Motions are done. Motions are done.

1:47:11>> The next steps though you the next steps

1:47:14for this topic will be addressed on

1:47:16October

1:47:18>> 6.

1:47:19>> That's the shortest

1:47:21and

1:47:22>> short and long term

1:47:26>> and I will I will post the full survey

1:47:28and all the responses. I'll send that to

1:47:30Cheryl who will hopefully very kindly

1:47:32put that up on the website.

1:47:34>> Thank you, Jonathan. No problem, Duncan.

1:47:37>> Sorry. Sorry to have generated that. We

1:47:40thought that the survey summary would be

1:47:43easier for you guys to digest, but we're

1:47:45happy to give you everything. So, we'll

1:47:46do that.

1:47:47>> Thanks,

1:47:48I do think Katie has to post it, right?

1:47:53Aren't you posting it on the Better

1:47:55Connections page?

1:47:56>> No. And and actually I think Martha I'm

1:47:58not sure if you're talking about the

1:48:00like the story map page

1:48:03>> that we have

1:48:05>> um that was created by the consultants

1:48:08and so I think from now the uh the rest

1:48:12of the materials will be posted on the

1:48:14town website. So we'll work with Cheryl.

1:48:18>> Yeah. Yeah. Everything all the

1:48:20information is there.

1:48:23>> All right. Thank you folks.

1:48:25Thank you

1:48:28>> one comment

1:48:31>> again. Um when I was on the select

1:48:33board, which was between 2015 to 2020,

1:48:38uh I was on a a small sub committee that

1:48:43um reviewed a um scoping it was a

1:48:47scoping study with funding from heat

1:48:49transit consulting for a sidewalk from

1:48:51the corner of Stow Street on along Route

1:48:54100 up to approximately Laurel Lane.

1:48:58Um, does anybody have any recolle?

1:49:02>> Yeah.

1:49:03>> Yeah. Okay. Is that what you're talking

1:49:04about?

1:49:04>> Yeah. The first phase of that I mean I

1:49:06think we had the grand scheme to get us

1:49:08to Ben & Jerry's.

1:49:10>> Um, and then it all paused and said the

1:49:13choke point is bridge 36.

1:49:16>> Just wanted to make sure that was.

1:49:18>> Yeah. Thank you.

1:49:19>> All right.

1:49:21All right. Um, next agenda item is to

1:49:26discuss the next meeting date and the

1:49:28potential agenda items.

1:49:31Um

1:49:35um I do I was uh remiss in not

1:49:40announcing that um

1:49:43we would like to have a town manager

1:49:47welcoming openhouse

1:49:49on uh September 23rd from 4 to 6:00 p.m.

1:49:54here in the steel room. It's really

1:49:57nice. Maybe we can be outside.

1:49:59Um, and we'll put that on the agenda so

1:50:02it'll be announced.

1:50:04Um, Evan and Sandy, would you want to

1:50:09add

1:50:11um a presentation for appointed versus

1:50:16elected town clerk and treasurer

1:50:18positions?

1:50:20>> Sure.

1:50:21>> Be ready to go with that anytime.

1:50:26Yeah, we'll need um an audio visual

1:50:28update. Maybe hopefully Peter will have

1:50:30that proposal for next time.

1:50:34>> Well, you're going to have a set up with

1:50:36with

1:50:36>> I'll have it set anyway in the speakers,

1:50:38but again, you know, as far as the

1:50:40>> Okay,

1:50:42>> all right. And I'd like to uh I'm going

1:50:46to probably I think it'll be a

1:50:49revisiting of the select board rules of

1:50:51procedure and potentially utilizing

1:50:54PLCT's template for requesting agenda

1:50:58items and presentation materials.

1:51:00Um, I think we need to we'll begin to

1:51:03work with um with Gracie, with Wes, town

1:51:07manager, and the clerk to gather

1:51:10information in a timely fashion so that

1:51:13this stuff is either posted uh ready to

1:51:16be posted on Fridays or taken off the

1:51:19agenda and postponed because I can't

1:51:23do this. The stuff coming in late is

1:51:27just not going to work. And I will be

1:51:29sure that when I send the notice to the

1:51:32committees in the town uh committees and

1:51:35boards that if they have information

1:51:37they want to post they have to have it

1:51:39in by Wednesday so that uh the board can

1:51:42review this stuff that gives you

1:51:44Wednesday or Thursday Friday and then it

1:51:48can be agreed upon to post but it can't

1:51:51get stuff on Thursday or on Friday and

1:51:54then expect it to get posted and then I

1:51:56don't think it's fair to to the public,

1:51:58to the staff, uh to the select board to

1:52:02be trying to post things on the weekend.

1:52:04It just is not fair. Um so it'll

1:52:07probably be on the agenda and

1:52:12um natural disaster preparedness crew

1:52:15and the fire department are scheduled to

1:52:18be here. And the other item is

1:52:21introducing uh the budget discussion.

1:52:24Okay.

1:52:26So, is those going to be here for that?

1:52:30>> Uh, I don't know yet. I haven't I

1:52:33haven't got confirmation.

1:52:37>> All right. Anything else?

1:52:38>> Yeah,

1:52:39>> Roger.

1:52:40>> Yeah. Um the uh Waterberry has been

1:52:43working with the National Park Service

1:52:45uh on a uh uh resiliency project and uh

1:52:51recreation and floodprone areas uh for

1:52:55the past year. And uh uh I'd like to

1:52:59have the uh Waterbury Pathways Steering

1:53:02Committee, which is sort of an ad hoc

1:53:04committee, uh present uh what they've

1:53:07been working on with the National Park

1:53:10Service uh and introduce a proposed

1:53:15design shet uh scheduled for the 23rd of

1:53:19October.

1:53:20>> How much time do you need for the the

1:53:2415th for September 15th? September 15th,

1:53:27uh, 10 minutes.

1:53:28>> Okay.

1:53:32>> Larry, do you want a baller to for just

1:53:34for porch decoration or

1:53:37>> do you want a baller porch decoration or

1:53:40just kind of alone?

1:53:41>> Okay.

1:53:43>> I just want to point out to Gracie that

1:53:44her first meeting all those committees

1:53:46that have that say they have fun doesn't

1:53:49have [laughter]

1:53:51way more fun.

1:53:53Well, we stop.

1:54:02>> How much fun?

1:54:03>> Oh. Oh. Oh. All right. All right. Then I

1:54:06take a motion to adjourn.

1:54:12>> Roger.

1:54:13>> I'll move to second.

1:54:17All those in favor say I. I. I.

1:54:31>> [music]

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