2026-10-07 - Development Review Board

00:14Welcome to the Wednesday, October 7th

00:16meeting of the Waterberry Development

00:18Review Board. My name is Dave Proingham.

00:19I'm the chair of the board. Starting on

00:22my left, we'll go around. Board members

00:23will introduce [clears throat]

00:24themselves. Terry Shepard, David Rogers,

00:27>> Bloss,

00:28>> and Brooks Fortune.

00:31[clears throat]

00:31>> We have one item on the agenda for our

00:34public hearing this evening. Um, you

00:36guys have been here before.

00:38>> Yes, I have.

00:39>> Y So, I'm not going to go over the

00:41structure again. Okay.

00:42>> Just remind you and we'll introduce it.

00:44You'll get to come up, introduce your

00:47project, then we'll ask questions and

00:49then we have it'll be information. We'll

00:53either go into deliberate sessions or

00:55decision.

00:59Um

01:01so first item on the agenda application

01:03064-26

01:07Stacy Lambert and Rob Delassi uh at 549

01:11Lumis Hill Road. This is a request for

01:13an amendment to a previously approved

01:16front yard setback waiver permit 035-26

01:21to adjust the waiver from a 20 from 29

01:24ft to 38 ft to build a barn for garage

01:28and storage purposes with an attached

01:31woodshed.

01:33Please come up

01:40the application. So you know swear it's

01:42not historic.

01:46[clears throat]

01:46Please raise your right hand. You swear

01:48the truth. Do you swear that the

01:50evidence you don't give to this board

01:51shall be the truth, the whole truth,

01:52nothing but the truth?

01:53>> I do. For the record, could you

01:55introduce yourselves?

01:56>> Yeah. My name is Michael Bernie. I'm the

01:58contractor for Changing Times Building

02:00Contractors. And

02:02>> Robert Delas. [clears throat]

02:03>> He's the owner.

02:03>> The owner. And I think Stacy Lambert

02:06should be

02:08my soon to be wife. We're getting

02:09married on the 17th.

02:12>> Congratulations.

02:13>> It depends on. [clears throat]

02:15[laughter]

02:20>> All right. Um, do we have their um

02:24letters and the mailing notifications?

02:28>> We should have it here. I've shared the

02:30screen. It should be in the exhibits.

02:33Exhibit F is the letter to the letter.

02:40Okay, there we go.

02:41>> Yep. [laughter]

02:44>> All right. Excellent.

02:48I'll turn it over to you guys to uh

02:50explain why we're here this evening.

02:52>> Well, first I want to say thank you for

02:53the last time. It was a very happy

02:55occasion, but uh unfortunately kind of

02:58shortlived. We were supposed to um get

03:01started pretty much right away after

03:03that meeting that we had waited for 14

03:05days, but unfortunately the contract

03:07that we were going to use became very

03:10ill and was not able to proceed with the

03:12job. So I was fortunate enough to call

03:16my friend Mike here uh who I've done

03:18lots of work with when I lived in Stow

03:20at the Village Green and he was you know

03:24receptive to coming and taking a look at

03:26the project. Um we've always been happy

03:29within myself and Stacy. We did a lot of

03:31work at her place also when she lived on

03:34um Maple Street. So unfortunately when

03:38uh Mike came in, well fortunately enough

03:40Mike came in, he brought the excavation

03:42crew and the guys who are going to do

03:44the foundation and they said, you know,

03:46we we like the project. There's

03:49definitely some, you know, things we

03:50have to discuss as far as drainage and

03:52whatnot, but we really before we um

03:55proceed, we'd like you to get a survey.

03:58They first asked if I had a survey. I

04:00said, "No, I I didn't survey the

04:01property." We did. We thought, you know,

04:03we were all good to go and we looked

04:06like, you know, everything was going to

04:08work out as far as what we were looking

04:09for. Unfortunately,

04:12um or fortunately when we did the survey

04:14then we realized that we did not have

04:16the requirements that we needed. Um we

04:19were much closer to the neighbor's house

04:23um uh tech house, our neighbor than we

04:27thought that we were. So that was good

04:29to find out. And then um when we saw the

04:33buildable envelope and we now try to put

04:37in this configuration, we were like this

04:39is just not going to work.

04:41Unfortunately, part of the addition that

04:44we're looking for is we didn't realize

04:48um I'm not a builder. Stacy's not a

04:49builder. So we didn't really realize

04:51that when [clears throat] we looked at

04:52our foundation of what we needed that we

04:56had roof eaves and roof eaves counted.

04:59So that was part of the things that

05:01kicks out the front portion of the barn.

05:05So because we're kind of at like the

05:08front, we really need like four feet and

05:10it kind of extends to like 9 ft towards

05:13the back because [clears throat] of roof

05:16eaves and then the way we had to

05:17position this house because we were

05:19literally up against the neighbor set

05:22back. So we are, you know, respectfully,

05:27um, not asking for more building,

05:31>> you know, we're building the same

05:32building technically, but we have to

05:35add, um, roof eaves and just the way we

05:38have to turbo building. deal. And we are

05:42also requesting that we went from a 19

05:45ft ceiling to a 25- ft ceiling because

05:48when we did this originally, again, not

05:52being the builder, did not realize that.

05:55Obviously, we need a roof pitch and we

05:58didn't add anything for the roof pitch.

05:59So, that's where we went from the 19 to

06:01add now um 6T for a roof pitch shed of

06:06smell.

06:09Yep.

06:12All right. Um,

06:16so just [clears throat] so we're clear

06:17because I'm looking comparing the last

06:19application to this one.

06:22Previous application, you had a

06:24footprint of 32 by 28.

06:27>> Correct.

06:29Looking at the road, 32 deep, 28 wide,

06:33and this one is now

06:3836 deep and

06:4230 wide,

06:43>> right?

06:43>> So, your footprint increased.

06:46>> That's including the overhangs. That was

06:48the overhangs were not.

06:50>> So, your footprint hasn't increased, but

06:51now your your overhangs,

06:53>> right? Which which we were told that,

06:55you know, that goes into part of the

06:58areas,

06:59>> right?

07:01>> And that would have been included in the

07:02first application. They knew

07:04>> what what are your eaves?

07:06>> Two foot

07:09>> and the rates are the same.

07:11>> Yes. All around the rates are two foot.

07:13>> Yeah, that may change. It'll it would be

07:16less than that if anything, but we

07:18figure on the two because we may do some

07:20bracketing, some architectural.

07:23>> Um.

07:25>> All right. So

07:27you've come due to the eve you've come 2

07:31feet closer to the road

07:34but your [clears throat]

07:35setback waiver is increasing by 9 ft.

07:38>> Yeah.

07:39>> Where's

07:41where's that additional 7 ft coming

07:43from?

07:44>> Unfortunately it's kind of the way the

07:46property hits the neighbor's house and

07:49from the corner of our existing home.

07:53it. We have to turn

07:56the barn cons in a considerable

07:59direction to kind of make that match up.

08:02So that's why it kind of kicks out on

08:05the back end.

08:05>> It gets wider on the back side.

08:13[clears throat]

08:13>> So we had granted a 29 ft waiver. You

08:18were going to be 31 ft in, right?

08:23and greater than 60 ft from the side the

08:26side lot line towards your neighbor.

08:28>> Yes.

08:30>> Now you're going to be

08:33it looks like it's due to the curvature

08:34of the road your property line

08:38the back end where we have to go out

08:40more.

08:41>> So we measure from the same point road

08:4427 in 33.

08:47>> So there's still

08:50even even Just looking at the front

08:52corner and it's [clears throat]

08:54straight. There's still an additional

08:55two feet in there.

09:00>> I understand.

09:00>> So in the original application

09:03>> on the front from the building corner,

09:04you measured out 31 ft to the front.

09:08>> He said he had

09:11>> and latest application you now launch

09:1733 feet from that same point. I think

09:20one of the things though that

09:21>> there was two feet. I could see that,

09:22but there's more space in there that

09:24>> I'm not sure how

09:26to see this area.

09:28>> Yeah.

09:29>> Um,

09:30>> yeah. Did you include that in the

09:32original packet?

09:33>> No, it's just an overhead

09:38stat.

09:39>> Yeah.

09:41Um,

09:42I guess I'm just trying to understand,

09:44>> right,

09:44>> with why you've got more than enough

09:47room on the sideyard

09:49to you can go along the road to the

09:53right. You've got plenty of space there.

09:56>> Why you couldn't just push it 2 feet

09:59into the property?

10:01We are literally right now, you know,

10:04from from the corner of our building, we

10:08originally had what we thought was a lot

10:10we thought we had a lot more space. We

10:12thought actually we had like many many

10:14feet, you know, clearance to our

10:17neighbor's house, which we don't. We are

10:20literally right at that point where we

10:22have to put this. And now, especially

10:24with the Yeah, the back [clears throat]

10:27>> back left corner.

10:28>> Yeah, the back left corner right on it.

10:31So, and then with the eve, it pushes

10:34that, you know, closer to the house. And

10:36then on the side of the house, we have

10:38like three-foot eaves on our existing

10:41house. So, it's literally like, you

10:42know, we get like very close

10:45to, you know, the the house portion.

10:50So, are you right up against the 50ft

10:53sideyard setback

10:54>> to the neighbor?

10:55>> Yeah. Is that where you're at? standing

10:58at the street looking at your to the

11:00right

11:02>> on the one corner back right on that

11:05>> back corner. We are we are there.

11:07>> Okay.

11:07>> So, we strung the lines out for that.

11:09>> That's right.

11:10>> I'm just all I have to go by.

11:14>> Yes. So, that that's right on the line

11:16there. A corner of the structure.

11:18>> Yeah.

11:19>> Yeah. So, the way it kind of tilts in

11:22like I'm saying, and then the way the

11:24curves, that's kind of why it kicks out

11:27on that back corner

11:29>> more. We we originally did not have what

11:31we needed to. So, it wasn't just the

11:34fact that, you know, we've added these.

11:36>> We did not have what we needed

11:38>> information originally because we didn't

11:41do

11:42>> we have this discussion all the time.

11:44Grant waiverss and we don't have

11:45property.

11:46>> Yeah, that's 100% my fault. Well, no.

11:50>> And I'm I'm glad I'm glad that Mike came

11:52in and you know the guys do that because

11:55you know not looking to have a problem

11:57in the future,

11:59>> right? The last thing you want to do is

12:00build on the neighbor's property or the

12:03setback,

12:03>> right? And and unfortunately we we would

12:06have

12:07>> I mean now's the cheapest time to

12:10>> Yeah.

12:11>> Yeah. So again, like I'm saying, I'm

12:13really not looking to increase anything

12:16that I've asked as far as the structure

12:18itself. It's just it it didn't fit from

12:23the get- go.

12:29Right. [clears throat]

12:30>> And also to just be known too that the

12:33slab level of that garage

12:36in in accordance to the road height were

12:38probably as for the overall structure

12:41height. We're good six to seven feet

12:43below the level of

12:45>> Yeah, those lots are all

12:47>> Yeah, they're down.

12:48>> That's the new height you're asking for.

12:50>> Uh yeah, I mean as far as for the floor

12:52level. So we're we're way down below. I

12:54mean the real thing that

12:57>> um

12:57>> that's that's why that's why again when

12:59we when we proposed this [clears throat]

13:02not being a builder I didn't really

13:03think about it and

13:05>> so you're but you're proposing a a total

13:07height an average height of 25 ft

13:10>> right

13:11>> right to the roof

13:12>> is that 25 ft to the ridge okay

13:15>> yeah I think before like saying I

13:17>> that's still 10 ft below the maximum

13:19allowed

13:19>> right

13:20>> yeah I think before I would have end up

13:23>> we would had much enough for the pitch

13:25on the roof to

13:26>> No or any

13:29>> Yeah. or anything else.

13:30>> Yeah. I I you know I came here the last

13:33time and I you know I had just bad bad

13:35information and I didn't know I

13:37apologize for having to come back and

13:39you know waste your time honestly.

13:41>> No I you know

13:43>> rather get be correct.

13:46>> Yeah. Yeah.

13:48us too. I know.

13:48>> Just got to make sure that the

13:49information that's presented makes sense

13:52with the

13:57>> So, you got a survey done now, but that

13:59wasn't submitted with part of the

14:01application.

14:03>> No, we don't have a survey done. We had

14:06it surveyed on the property to have them

14:08put the lines properly set back lines.

14:11>> So, we knew how to position the garage

14:13and found out that it wasn't working.

14:15>> Yeah. The envelope. He [clears throat]

14:16just I just made a buildable envelope

14:18for ice.

14:24>> Well, [clears throat]

14:25um,

14:26>> what did we have to do again?

14:29>> Martin Day.

14:31>> So, we're

14:33distance from the edge of the pavement

14:35to the foundation is the same as

14:38originally proposed.

14:41Exclude the ease.

14:47No,

14:47>> I don't. Yeah. Okay. That's

14:49>> I don't see.

14:50>> Yeah, I'm going to say no because like

14:51I'm saying

14:52>> once we saw the envelope that we were

14:55permitted, we as I said before we even

14:57added E, we were like doesn't work.

14:59>> The edge of pavement is a fixed

15:01location,

15:02>> right?

15:02>> Irrelevant to where the property line is

15:04and the setbacks are

15:06>> from the edge of from the edge of the

15:08pavement.

15:08>> Yeah. to

15:11where you had previously proposed it

15:15is still the same distance.

15:18>> No, because then we're looking for a

15:20location change.

15:22>> Okay, that's that's

15:23>> that's exactly what it is.

15:25>> Well, that's what you have that's what

15:26you haven't said. The structure you have

15:29said we're in the same spot we're here

15:30because our eaves are bigger.

15:32>> Yeah, you know, you're right on what

15:34you're saying. No, the actual structure

15:35size has not changed. It's the location.

15:38So, we have ease and your change in

15:40location. Okay. That's

15:42>> when I kept talking about there's that

15:44missing there. Math isn't adding up,

15:46>> right?

15:46>> That's where I was getting lost, right?

15:48>> Yes. Okay. No, I understand.

15:49>> Yeah, we we definitely had to.

15:52>> Yes.

15:53>> So, you are actually closer to the edge

15:55of pavement.

15:56>> Yes.

15:57>> Than you were previously.

15:58>> Yes. Okay. Yes.

16:02>> Is that a good answer or a bad one? I

16:03don't know. It is answer if it's the

16:07answer.

16:08>> Yes.

16:09>> Yeah.

16:10>> Okay. I just everybody

16:12>> because I wasn't understanding how the

16:13numbers were coming [clears throat] out.

16:15>> I did. That's what I was going to ask.

16:16>> Yeah. Okay. Sorry, Harry.

16:19>> Um, can you

16:26>> There's a rendition of it. Yeah. So,

16:29>> that's not exactly what you're doing.

16:30>> Yeah. I think that's I think that's what

16:33I want to drill into here. So, is this

16:35what you're building?

16:36>> Yes, close.

16:37>> Cuz I saw Well, close. Cuz I saw

16:39something about that. This is just AI

16:41generated and maybe not what we're

16:43doing.

16:43>> Well, it it is AI generated. Yeah. But

16:47>> is that what you're going to build?

16:48>> Yes.

16:50>> It's going to look like that. Very close

16:51to that. Yes.

16:53>> There there's no design review here. So,

16:55we can look at the height and we can

16:56look at the

16:57>> I mean, basically the sketch submitted

16:58last time. You got some make on this

17:01this wing right here. What is it going

17:03to look like from the road?

17:06>> You're going to see no windows or

17:08anything.

17:09>> Yeah, mostly won't see windows on that

17:11other side.

17:12>> It'll be a wall. [clears throat]

17:17>> We have nothing. The windows

17:20>> that's not in the design. The windows

17:23would be on the back side.

17:24>> The windows

17:25>> and then the windows the windows are

17:26facing the mountain. Y

17:29>> those windows there are facing the

17:30mountain.

17:31>> So those windows are going to be done

17:34going there. But on the other side

17:36there's no there's no dormers. There's

17:37nothing there on the road side.

17:44>> I guess the the notion that there's a

17:47note on the application material that

17:49says this is just like any other

17:50generated thing but maybe not what we're

17:52building.

17:54>> It's very close. I mean, we we're trying

17:56to build a quintessential, you know,

17:58Vermont bread barn with, you know,

18:02>> that doesn't

18:07>> Well, what started you

18:11>> came in with basically no information,

18:13>> but but it looked like the you from the

18:15roadside, you're going to see a lot more

18:16of the roof and a lot less wall.

18:19>> You're going to see all roof.

18:20>> Yeah.

18:21>> From the road.

18:22>> From the road. Yeah. Correct.

18:28You're coming up that format. It's

18:31closer closer closer to the road, right?

18:33>> Yes.

18:35>> Yes.

18:37>> Which is probably a good thing as far as

18:39visibility of that side.

18:44Well, it's also on the plowing side of

18:46that road.

18:52kind of where I'm at is

18:55the ease. If that was an oversight, you

18:57need the two feet for that. That doesn't

18:59bother me at all.

19:01>> The fact that the foundation is closer

19:02to the road, I would rather be granting

19:06you a waiver on the sideyard setback

19:09than getting you closer to the road.

19:13>> You're saying the the neighbor side?

19:14Yes. Is that what you're saying?

19:16>> Yes.

19:16>> This shot this way back. Yes, that's

19:20just my opinion or

19:22>> I know how everybody feels about

19:24>> I don't have an opinion that's something

19:25that I

19:29>> I didn't really even contemplate that

19:32being an option. You know, I I just

19:35assume that I didn't want to interfere

19:38with my neighbor. Not to say I'm

19:40interfering with other, you know, other

19:43worldwide neighbors of the street. Um,

19:46you know, I didn't really I tried to

19:48stay, you know, out of her situation

19:50because I figured if I'm asking for one

19:51side, I didn't really feel like I should

19:53be asking for another side.

19:55>> I'm I'm just giving you my right

19:58thoughts on the process, right? Rest of

20:00the board.

20:02trying what they think.

20:07Okay.

20:09Um,

20:13no. My question's been answered.

20:17Um,

20:20and I understand why you're turning it

20:22because of the road and the setback

20:24because the law changes as it comes down

20:27towards the road. Actually

20:33the side that's closer to the setback

20:35that's closer to the setback

20:38as it gets wider you've got about 9 ft

20:41towards the back which is getting hidden

20:43more because the street is rising at

20:45that point the road is rising so the

20:47wider point the road is higher actually

20:51>> right

20:53towards your neighbor

20:54>> for visibility. Yes. Yeah.

21:02any more questions there. I think

21:06well I agree with Dave. I mean when I

21:08think back in the past when things have

21:10come before us for waiverss on the

21:13setbacks generally we've pretty much

21:16covered ground on the front yard

21:18setbacks and you know we been more lead

21:21on the sides and tend to agree with

21:24that. The other thing was you said your

21:26excavator was having issues with how the

21:29grading was going to occur and well see

21:32there is a wetlands back there and I

21:34just wondered how that affected

21:37>> and uh we were since they client doesn't

21:40have any history there what what the

21:42winters are like or what the snow

21:43finally is and the melt off or anything

21:45and it's close to that area um we were

21:49proposing that there will be some kind

21:50of a swale that needs to be done to

21:52direct the snow the water or melt off or

21:55anything or even anything that comes off

21:56that plow side of that road, it's going

21:58to come directly onto that barn. So,

22:00when we're saying about a little bit of

22:02a culvert, it's just a cuffing of the

22:05right and get it around it, which is if

22:07we push that barn back farther, we're

22:09going to have to come farther back

22:11behind that to create a swale to get

22:13that water to get around it because

22:15[clears throat] there was even no

22:16consideration at all for him for his

22:18winter plowing period. And now that

22:20structure is there, he's going to have

22:22to plow everything to the right side of

22:24it if you're facing the door. And that's

22:26going to cause a lot of elbow across the

22:28road. So that's where we're going to

22:30come around back and just

22:32>> you're making the case for holding it

22:34where we approved it and

22:37>> well

22:37>> pushing it into the sideyard set back a

22:39little bit.

22:39>> Yes. No, you know, uh,

22:41>> cuz you're you're what you're saying is

22:45you could use some more space between

22:47there and the road for grading.

22:50>> I think what if for what we're proposing

22:52right now, I think we have enough room

22:54to make a little bit of a a cuffing and

22:56slight swale to get it to the back. We

22:59won't have to go too far. But I'm just

23:00saying if you're saying to push it back

23:02farther.

23:03>> Well, I mean,

23:04>> right.

23:04>> So to how much push it back into the

23:06lot?

23:08>> How much are we talking? four feet back

23:11back to where we originally approved it.

23:14>> As I saying, you could ignore the

23:15overhang.

23:16>> Personally, I don't have an issue with

23:18with that.

23:19>> Push the foundation back to where we

23:22originally approved it and it's going to

23:24push that back corner into that sideyard

23:27set back to the neighbors.

23:30Now you've given yourself more space for

23:32your drainage, for snow storage, for

23:34plowing around the side of it,

23:37>> and you're not encroaching up against

23:39the road any farther.

23:41>> Mhm.

23:42>> You know,

23:45>> I just wonder if there's obviously some

23:47state wetland regulations of

23:49>> I think the wetland's over that bank in

23:51the back of the house,

23:52>> so it's probably not

23:53>> I don't think so.

23:54>> It's in the field.

23:55>> Yeah, it's in the field in the bank.

23:56>> Yeah. No, I don't think it's in the area

23:58talking about

24:13>> No. I I'm just concerned that we're we

24:16don't have anything that actually shows

24:18where we're going to end up here on a

24:20plan.

24:24>> Well, either we're going to

24:27approve it. They've proposed it or we're

24:28going to ask them to look at it again

24:30and see if they can push it back and

24:33[clears throat]

24:33yeah, you know, talk about a side

24:35setback.

24:36>> Well, that's all I have.

24:39Gross.

24:40>> Sure. Just for the record, guys. Looks

24:43like your proposed side set back here is

24:4660 plus feet and the requirement is 50

24:49ft. So, you do have at least 10 ft to

24:52work with as the side setback. and the

24:56proposed

24:58184 square feet [clears throat] of

25:02um additional

25:05square footage.

25:07>> That's all

25:08>> 100%.

25:09>> Slab hasn't changed. Yeah.

25:15>> And it might not even go to two feet.

25:19>> No less than a foot.

25:22>> Okay.

25:24Um I'm I'm concerned a little bit with

25:27precedent that this board is setting

25:30here granting such a massive waiver. The

25:34front said that 60 ft rule is a

25:37requirement that I didn't make but

25:40somebody did make it for good reason.

25:42And a 38 foot encroachment more than 50%

25:47of that setback is a lot. That's this is

25:51the biggest setback wherever I've been a

25:53a part of on this board in two years and

25:58uh and that's just for the record.

26:01Thanks. That's all I

26:05do. You have any questions as staff?

26:08>> I do not

26:12>> on this one. Cheryl, put it all.

26:15>> Yeah. No, just [laughter] it's just it's

26:18just part of our

26:19>> town.

26:22[laughter]

26:24Just just trying to keep on good side.

26:26>> We'll let her know.

26:29>> Um

26:31so board members, what's what is the

26:34overall opinion? People [clears throat]

26:37fine with this or

26:40would you maybe inclined to look at a

26:43different scenario?

26:47I'm you know really I I go back to past

26:51and what we've granted and works is

26:54right

26:56accept that wins

27:00you know it's downhill it's they don't

27:03know there have been waiverss that have

27:05been larger but there have been existing

27:08structures that were already encroached

27:10that's right

27:10>> pre-existing to

27:13>> I'm just concerned something this could

27:15end up anywhere. I don't have in front

27:18of me says this is exactly where the

27:20structure is going to be.

27:23>> Well, it is something that we could have

27:25done and submit

27:28based on that.

27:30>> I think part of our problem in the rush

27:32is that, you know, we we're at the point

27:35where we lose the period to get this

27:37done.

27:38>> Well, get this the slab ended for a

27:40little bit, right? That's the point.

27:44That's one of our points

27:45>> and and we're sympathetic to that,

27:47>> right? And

27:48>> right,

27:49>> I also know that you are given the

27:50option to meet the existing setback and

27:53not have to do this at all.

27:54>> Absolutely.

27:55>> Absolutely.

27:56>> Meet the the waiver we previously

27:59granted,

28:00>> right? And we I definitely appreciate

28:01that. You know, I'm I'm I'm very

28:04thankful also for the fact that we did a

28:07survey because we would have came in and

28:08we would have pumped this thing down and

28:10been like, "Oh, we're good." when when I

28:12measured it, you know, I was just

28:14measuring from like the edge of the

28:16road, not so much the middle of the

28:18road. And you know, unfortunately,

28:20>> and that's why I brought up the relative

28:22to the edge of pavement, right? Because

28:24that's

28:25>> irrelevant to where [clears throat] your

28:25property line is, that's kind of a fixed

28:27point.

28:28You know, the only thing I can say from

28:30from that survey that we did which shows

28:33the buildable envelope, okay, which

28:36showed the 31 setbacks all around on the

28:39roadside

28:42just just to you know to confirm kind of

28:45like to say where it's going to be. It's

28:48going to just be outside that as we said

28:51it's about 4T in the front you know and

28:54it goes to as 9 ft towards the back. So

28:58it is within that area you know I'm not

29:02really and unfortunately [clears throat]

29:05for 2.1 acres there's really just no you

29:08know kind of where it is is where it is.

29:11There's no other place to really put

29:13this thing. So, it wouldn't really

29:14change, you know,

29:15>> which is why we granted

29:17>> 31

29:18didn't really change much. Yeah. And

29:20unfortunate for myself, I didn't, you

29:22know, I didn't think that any of this

29:23was an issue not knowing about, you

29:26know, the setbacks of the the eaves and

29:28all that stuff and the eaves,

29:29>> you know, in my opinion,

29:31>> right? You know, not that big.

29:33>> Not a big deal. Yeah. Right.

29:35>> Bringing the entire structure closer to

29:37the road. I have some concerns that

29:43but again I'm just buy

29:47but I think my biggest discomfort is I'm

29:49not sure what to believe right now

29:52because

29:54we're really not working a survey going

29:56here and now we're dealing with a curve

29:59in the road that might adjusted the

30:01setback and then I'm hearing that

30:05thought it was 200 ft to the sideyard

30:07and now I'm hearing that action

30:09one core of this thing might be right at

30:11the setback and what we're being shown

30:14in the application

30:15>> 200 is the other direction

30:16>> right 67 right that's what says slide 67

30:19but I think I heard that because of the

30:22angle that property was

30:2650 I think that's what I heard that

30:29right

30:31up against the sid set back too so it's

30:33not 67 it's 50 right so

30:38I think my ask is to see this thing

30:42botted out on the survey shows the

30:44actual dimensions that we're approving a

30:46waiver for because feels like

30:49>> go anywhere

30:52>> and we know how accurate these areas are

30:54>> right

30:56and this is more specific to this

31:00application but I think this experience

31:02is

31:04giving me a little thinking that we want

31:06to be thinking about actually having a

31:08survey versus working on a tax I'm

31:11asking for. Okay. All right.

31:15So that's my

31:18>> Is there anything then you could

31:20consider that we could possibly work

31:22with?

31:26>> I mean we appreciate what we've been

31:28given. We appreciate what we've been

31:30given already 100%. Yeah,

31:31>> I just unfortunately, you know, I I

31:34didn't have all the correct information

31:36when I came in the last time.

31:42>> If there's something that's maybe more

31:43workable, you know, maybe we can try and

31:45do that and as I said, try and save

31:48this.

31:48>> Well, either that works or we could

31:50produce the, you know, have the surveyor

31:53produce a site map with that place.

31:56>> I mean, you've got your lines flagged up

31:59there now. Yeah. Or states and stuff.

32:01Yeah.

32:01>> So, you can pull

32:04>> tape

32:05>> off of a building corner

32:07>> and and you can produce a sketch that

32:10way.

32:11>> Except we don't have a survey that has

32:13the exact building on it. But yes, we

32:15can draw.

32:16>> We could draw. Yes.

32:17>> But you've got flags in the field,

32:18>> right?

32:19>> You've got the house in the field.

32:20>> Mhm.

32:21>> You can

32:23>> you can do enough work with the tape to

32:26figure out exactly those distances.

32:28>> Exactly. Yeah. And

32:30>> but I would think maybe you would want a

32:32better survey, you know, something more

32:34professionally done. Who would, you

32:36know,

32:37>> the survey

32:38>> I personally I would be fine with if the

32:40ser if a professional surveyor has

32:42flagged

32:43>> right

32:43>> it in the field

32:44>> and you can pull tape

32:47>> you know and get all your dimensions

32:50from the the house to the front line

32:52house to the sideline

32:53>> and do enough work to figure out where

32:56that's going to fit. [clears throat]

32:58That's That's better than than that by

33:01far.

33:02>> And and look at Can you push it

33:07to the north? [clears throat] Looking at

33:09the building to the right.

33:10>> Yeah.

33:11>> And back a little bit and work with the

33:14front yard setback. We've already

33:15granted

33:18I don't know the red force field about

33:20granting a sideyard [clears throat]

33:21setback versus additional front yard

33:23setback.

33:27addition.

33:32Um, I just had a question on the So,

33:36when they surveyed that, was that the

33:38actual property line or did you just put

33:40flags where you your building was going

33:42to be?

33:44So, the property line on there is not

33:47accurate, but Right.

33:48>> Is that where you put the flags on the

33:50property?

33:51>> You put it on. We have the the property

33:54line. There's one at the top of the

33:56road. There's that post and then there's

33:59another one and then there's one.

34:01>> So that subdivision is new enough. There

34:02should be a

34:04>> accurate measurements that way.

34:06>> Yeah. [clears throat]

34:07>> You say there there should be an

34:09accurate map either from the wastewater

34:10division or from the town records here

34:13that shows your actually actual property

34:15line your pins.

34:16>> Yeah, I think he he flagged all that.

34:19>> Okay. So I have I have those markers and

34:23then I have you know what what I guess

34:25he measured from those points to that's

34:27how he established the envelope.

34:40>> You need four of us to say yes to get

34:41this approved.

34:42>> Yeah.

34:43>> So help me understand the 50 foot. I I

34:46[clears throat] heard that one corner of

34:49this new building will be at

34:52>> that's how it is right now

34:54back left corner.

34:55>> The back left corner. Yeah.

34:58>> 67 foot come in the application.

35:00[clears throat]

35:02>> Carry over from

35:05>> Yeah. It says 60 plus from this.

35:09>> Yeah, it does.

35:14>> Yeah. So thing we're ask we're asking

35:16for is a more accurate

35:17>> sketch.

35:30Yeah, I think it's I think it's one

35:32point is at 50.

35:35Just that one. And that's kind of it's

35:38kind of a kooky property the way Well,

35:40anyway. Yeah, you can see by how it's

35:42shaped it kind of in at an angle and

35:45>> yeah, it drops back in that one corner

35:47and then it dramatically goes out, you

35:51know. So, if we that's if we could move

35:53it up. I mean, we're only like just at

35:54that point and then the rest of it goes

35:56out, you know, I want to say well over

35:5967 to probably 80 ft 90 ft to the top

36:02corner, you know, but is, you know, I

36:06don't really explain. It's just the way

36:09the property is. And I guess when we

36:11when we did this, we really, you know,

36:13we had also been mowing lawn for like a

36:15long period of time and we're like,

36:17that's not even our lawn, you know. So,

36:19we talked to Tel and she was like, all

36:20right, yeah, we just cut it back in

36:22because we just thought that it went out

36:24considerably further from where it was

36:27and then we adjusted based on that.

36:29>> Is that to standing in the road? Is that

36:31to the left or the right you're talking

36:32about?

36:33>> Uh, you're standing in the road to the

36:35right. that house that you see whatever

36:36it says 147

36:37>> 147 only one

36:41>> I see those trees but

36:42>> we thought we had much you know much

36:44more area and you can see actually from

36:46that map like how it you know ditched

36:49out way more towards the front

36:54you thought it was kind of you know

36:56continuing on from basically if you went

36:58perpendicular from the house and we

37:00thought that that that piece went out

37:02much further

37:13So I guess you know I guess what I'm

37:15trying to humbly ask for then would be

37:18is there some thing that you can

37:20possibly grant us that we could try to

37:23make this work out? I know you've given

37:25a lot already 100%.

37:28But you know I guess you know my

37:30desperation

37:32is the fact of you know just up against

37:35a period of time where

37:39construction will stop or be unable to

37:42get get a foundation. We can't do

37:44anything without that.

37:47So if there's maybe a little bit of a

37:48consideration maybe we could still try

37:50to make this work. I can assure you we

37:53do want to do it.

37:54>> You have a permit so you can start

37:56grading, you can start clearing, you can

37:59>> you can start

38:02>> but obviously [clears throat] your

38:03concrete is

38:03>> without knowing where we're going.

38:05>> Yeah. You know your concrete is your

38:07Yes. is your critical path.

38:09>> Yes. Yes. Exactly.

38:11>> And that's why we're here wrong. You

38:13know,

38:14>> unfortunately at this point this board

38:16has three options.

38:19We can approve what you asked for. We

38:21can deny what you've asked for and

38:22you're stuck with what we previously

38:23approved.

38:24>> Yeah.

38:25>> Or we can continue to our next meeting

38:29and you come back with a more accurate

38:33plan and I'd like to see you hold the

38:37previously approved

38:39waiver and push it into the sideyard

38:42versus coming closer to the road. Again,

38:45I don't know how the rest of the board

38:46members feel about that.

38:48>> But you're saying you would grant the

38:49sideyard

38:50waiver. But

38:52>> I would be more comfortable granting a

38:53sideyard waiver versus additional

38:55>> front yard.

38:59>> Could we do that now?

39:02>> You don't have a plan that we

39:03>> Yeah.

39:04>> do that accurately [clears throat]

39:05enough.

39:07>> And I would also talk to your neighbor

39:09about that change. I guess you're only

39:12talking a couple feet in within 50 feet

39:15from their propert,

39:16>> right?

39:20So, I mean, you can stroll

39:21[clears throat] pull the board. You need

39:23four of us to say yes to approve it

39:27tonight,

39:30right?

39:32Well, it's not really I'm not really

39:33getting that vibe, but it's really the

39:36way the way that we're going here. So,

39:38again, not looking to, you know, piss

39:41anybody off. It's unfortunate.

39:43>> How does the board feel?

39:44>> It's just the way

39:45>> other poor people comfortable

39:46>> this way worked out unfortunately that

39:50>> I'm not comfortable.

39:51>> Okay.

39:52>> So,

39:55>> so I'm I'm Can you hear me or not?

39:58>> Yes.

39:59>> So, I'm not sure where there's as much

40:01of a lack of clarity as as it seems to

40:04be coming across. We paid $1,200. We had

40:07a formal survey. It's fully marked. So I

40:11I I'm just wondering if we're not

40:13accurately communicating um the

40:16information in order to create

40:18comfortableness

40:19with it with the process. So I I

40:23that's what I'm concerned about because

40:24we did do a full and proper survey.

40:27>> Yeah. I and and I think I think you've

40:30got that exact. There isn't anything in

40:32this package that fully reflects that.

40:36Well, we had worked closely with Cheryl

40:38and she didn't say, you know, she said,

40:41"Here's the package and we completed

40:43it." Yeah, we're noviceses. So, and we

40:44and I didn't get to say thank you myself

40:47because we are very appreciative that

40:48you heard this because we're really not

40:50wanting to lose a whole construction

40:52season over this and this would

40:54basically

40:56lose the construction season if we're if

40:58we're not able to go. And we we thought

41:00between the two uh requests that it was

41:02more benign to ask for the setback from

41:05the street than to try to ask for a

41:09setback from the neighbor because then

41:11we're encroaching on a on the on the

41:12neighbor's property. But we did

41:14responsibly do the survey and I just

41:17don't know if there's if we could not,

41:19you know, have Rob or Mike draw it out

41:21for you. So because I understand you

41:22don't want to prove something when

41:23you're like not exactly clear where it's

41:25going. But we are clear. We did, as I

41:27said, we spent $1,200 on a survey to be

41:30responsible. So, we know where it goes.

41:31I just think we haven't conveyed that.

41:34And I'd hate to like get denied and then

41:36have to wait for waiting a month to the

41:38next meeting means we're not going to do

41:40the project this year and then

41:41everything is very much more expensive

41:43and who knows who's available and so

41:45forth. So, it's it is a serious hardship

41:48for us. So, if there's a information

41:50that could be conveyed to make you feel

41:52more comfortable that we have, I'd want

41:54to make sure we're presenting it.

41:56And what we're asking for is a more

41:59accurate drawing that conveys that

42:02information.

42:03>> I I hear you and I agree with you

42:05because that makes a lot of sense. So is

42:06there not something Rob and Mike that

42:08you could because Rob you had drawings

42:10of this in order to show and convey so

42:14that they can understand because it's I

42:16think what I'm confused about we we

42:18definitely had a survey. There's pins in

42:20so we know the property lines. There's

42:21pins in the building envelope. We know

42:23the exact size that we're trying to

42:25build. So there there's not as much lack

42:28of clarity as it seems that we are

42:31conveying. So I think it's a lack of

42:32that we're not getting across that we do

42:35know we know exactly where it is where

42:37we'd like to put it and this and the set

42:39box and and and that was not just

42:42derived from you know wishful thinking

42:45was derived from the actual survey.

42:49So Rob, do you have anything that you

42:50can show them? Because if it seems

42:53obviously I can read the room as well

42:54that that there without better

42:57understanding where it is, nobody's

42:58comfortable approving it. But if we lose

43:00the month, we lose the project.

43:03>> Well, you won't lose a won't lose a

43:05month. Our next hearing is in two weeks.

43:10>> Right. The construction company though

43:11is only willing to pour up until the end

43:14of October because of the weather.

43:20Yeah,

43:22I'm sorry. I I unfortunately there's

43:25nothing we can do about that because we

43:27need to approve specific.

43:31>> Right. But I'm just saying I think we

43:32have the specific numbers and so if we

43:34can maybe slow this down before you vote

43:38on it. We have the numbers

43:40>> and and

43:43part of part of a couple board members

43:46concerns is that you are asking for it

43:49to bring the building closer to the road

43:55irrelevant of the overhang.

44:00So, I hear you saying that we could

44:03build what we were already approved to

44:05and still add the two feet of overhangs

44:07on either side and you'd be comfortable

44:09with that.

44:11>> I personally would be would be

44:13comfortable with that. Again, I'm one of

44:15five members present.

44:16>> We approved that before.

44:18>> Well, not with the Eve. Yeah. Not with

44:21>> didn't have the eaves. And I think one

44:22of the things also is because we're

44:24close to that back left corner that eve

44:27also, you know, kind of bumps it a

44:30little bit. So whereas, you know, that's

44:32kind of again whereas we need it more in

44:35that back right corner which and the

44:37road curves that way. So it's kind of

44:39like we got a bunch of stuff kind of

44:41working against us. So I guess the only

44:43thing I can say is hanger. Um,

44:47is there is there anything that we can

44:50or or do we specifically have to request

44:52or can we you know I'm not really saying

44:54like is this like a bargaining

44:55situation? Can you see that to do

44:59anything that maybe we can go back with

45:01our our pens and pencils and try and see

45:04if we could, you know, make this fit and

45:06still make this work to be totally

45:09transparent to say that these guys have

45:12a certain window that they're working

45:14till. Um it's kind of like if we don't

45:18guarantee, you know, they want to take

45:22another job, they don't want to say, hm,

45:24maybe this happens and then they don't

45:26have their last job of the year. So, you

45:29know, in an ideal world, you know, we'd

45:31be talking about this in June or July,

45:33you know, September, um when we're now

45:35at the point where we're just crushed

45:38by, you know, all these things. That's

45:39why I'm saying maybe there's some

45:41consideration we can try and make this

45:44make this work. Right now it's extremely

45:46tight to try and make it work.

45:48>> The property Yeah. And the property, as

45:51you can see, it's an awkward property.

45:52We have 2.1 acres and there's no logical

45:55place to put this barn of which we're

45:57going to spend a couple hundred,000

45:59making a beautiful Vermont barn. We need

46:01more Vermont barns, but there's not a

46:03lot of wiggle room. So if there's, as

46:06Rob said, if we can't do what we aspire

46:08to do, is there some reasonable

46:11reasonable thing we can do,

46:18>> but it's going to be a beautiful Vermont

46:19barn. It is not an eyesore [laughter] to

46:21the neighborhood.

46:22>> Beautiful. And and

46:25>> no one is nobody is doubting that.

46:27>> Yeah. But

46:28>> and we need more barns in Vermont and

46:30the property is is wonky. So I hear you.

46:32I hear you. it. Can we provide you a

46:34better picture?

46:35>> Our hands are kind of tied. So,

46:39>> can we not provide the better

46:41information?

46:42>> Concerned with the building being closer

46:44to the road.

46:46We granted you nearly a 50% setback

46:50waiver. We are concerned with the

46:52building being closer to the road than

46:54we approved because

46:58irrelevant to the ease. Let's just talk

47:00footprint relevant to the ease.

47:02foundation closer to the

47:05>> so we could have eaves we could have

47:07eaves

47:08>> match that number and if you need a

47:10waiver from the setback

47:12I don't know about the rest of the board

47:14but

47:15I think that's more palatable to us

47:19that is not what's presented

47:20[clears throat] to us right now we are

47:22not saying you have to reapply

47:25>> we just need to see

47:28something that matches [clears throat]

47:30closer to what

47:32We as far as the front yard setback is

47:34concerned

47:36>> based on what we have we can

47:38>> say that again

47:42>> we would like you to hold the front yard

47:44setback that was previously approved. If

47:46you need an additional setback waiverss

47:48in the side I believe that is more

47:50palatable to the board.

47:53I see a lot of nodding heads

47:54>> and regardless of the ordinance.

47:56regardless of the ordinance. Yes, that

47:58>> but it may not be palatable to our

48:00neighbors, right? In which case, we

48:02can't build the barn.

48:04>> No, they they can come and they can

48:07express their concerns, but ultimately

48:09it is up to us.

48:11>> They are still you are still well within

48:13your property.

48:14>> Okay.

48:15>> Okay.

48:16>> The setbacks, their waiverss for

48:18setbacks are there for a reason because

48:19they may also need one in the future.

48:22>> You know that. So with the pro with the

48:26information that is presented we can

48:29either approve right

48:32>> which you I don't think you have the

48:33votes for that

48:34>> right

48:35>> denied you can't come back with the same

48:39project

48:41if we deny it or you can continue it and

48:45I'm sorry yes you're going to lose two

48:47weeks

48:48>> but we'll do we'll take a continuous

48:49time that's

48:50>> unfortunately [clears throat]

48:51for the board those are our only

48:53>> I think but again Can I add because I'm

48:55not I'm just not sure. Quite

48:58>> is there the fourth that there's a

49:01little more.

49:03>> There is there is there is no fourth.

49:06>> Okay.

49:07>> Right. We'll take the third.

49:08>> Understand.

49:09>> State law town ordinance. Those are our

49:12options.

49:12>> Understand?

49:13>> And more a better documentation.

49:15>> Yeah. Just Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you're

49:19building sounds like you've got the data

49:21going to be quite

49:23it seems to me come in with something

49:26that

49:28>> you know you can build from.

49:30>> Yeah.

49:31>> And and we can sign the decision

49:36>> that night because realistically even if

49:38we approved it tonight Yeah.

49:39>> we wouldn't be assigning the decision.

49:41>> So is it two weeks from today?

49:42>> It's two weeks from today.

49:44And we could we could we could sign the

49:46decision that

49:47>> that night.

49:49>> So real and realistically without

49:51Cheryl, we wouldn't be signing the

49:52decision tonight.

49:54>> Anyway,

49:56>> so that doesn't really change the title.

49:59>> I think

50:00>> see in two weeks I guess that

50:03works for everybody.

50:04>> Yeah.

50:05>> Did you talk to your insurance company?

50:08>> Yes, they were okay.

50:09>> Yeah, they were just

50:10>> they were okay. go over this. What we're

50:12kind of asking for,

50:15>> what I am suggesting

50:16>> is to go back to the original setback

50:19and maybe go back this way. Correct.

50:21>> Correct.

50:21>> And encroach if they need to encroach it

50:23this side encroaching

50:27into the property.

50:28>> So, do we have to put in a whole new

50:29application where we're noticing

50:32don't we have to we don't notice our

50:34neighbors for that?

50:35>> What do we do with our neighbor? Just go

50:38talk to them. Okay. We don't have to

50:40send another letter.

50:41>> You don't have to send another letter.

50:42Go talk to your neighbor. Say, "We went

50:44to the meeting. The board suggested we

50:45do this. We're now asking for figure out

50:48what your encroachment is. X number of

50:50feet." Right?

50:51>> It's probably well within the mode area

50:52that you're already mowing up to their

50:54property line.

50:55>> Right.

51:00>> Because we're still it's still warned as

51:03a setback or they're asking for a side

51:06setback. So,

51:07>> right. But the but the warning is still

51:09for a setback date.

51:13>> Do they need to sign anything? Do they

51:15need to come here and express anything

51:17>> if they want to?

51:18>> You have to give them the option.

51:20>> Right.

51:21>> Well, they left notice of this hearing

51:22and they didn't show up. But

51:24>> as good neighbors, you can go tell them

51:27what transpired

51:29>> and

51:30if they want to come to the next one,

51:33>> they're more than welcome.

51:35>> Gotcha. [clears throat] Well, I

51:36appreciate that. That's a fair option.

51:38>> That's

51:39>> and it's tight timing. I think it's a

51:40fair option.

51:41>> I appreciate that. See you work with I

51:44wish that there was a number four.

51:48>> I understand.

51:48>> I mean, we have to read everything.

51:50>> No, I I understand. I I had no idea how

51:52it worked.

51:54>> All right. All right.

51:58>> What is What is the next?

51:59>> 21st.

52:02>> 23rd.

52:03>> Oh, 23rd.

52:06This is what

52:06>> Oh, I'm sorry. Is it is I It was

52:08Wednesdays.

52:09>> Yeah.

52:10>> Oh, then then what's on my agenda here

52:12is wrong.

52:13>> Yeah, she got the day off.

52:16>> Okay. [clears throat]

52:19>> And we will get something that

52:20accurately shows dimensions to the

52:23survey property lines.

52:25>> Yeah.

52:27>> If you go look on the um water database,

52:31you can find drawings for that lot. Yep.

52:34It'll have

52:36the well and everything. It'll have the

52:38property lines on it. It'll have the

52:39edge of the pavement on it.

52:41>> It's probably a great base to start

52:42from.

52:44>> Surprised they don't have here.

52:47>> Uh the plans are digitally with the

52:49state, but there's a plaque here as well

52:51if you get [clears throat]

52:52and use that.

52:54>> Gotcha.

52:56Um,

52:58please have that information back to

52:59Cheryl by

53:03Friday before the meeting.

53:05>> Yeah, I think she said that she doesn't

53:06even get back till when? Maybe the 15th

53:09or something.

53:14I

53:14>> think she gets [clears throat] back on

53:15the 15th. That's not going to give her

53:17enough time to

53:18>> she'll or it's a continuence. So, I'll

53:21let her know that to expect it.

53:24She just needs to forward that to us.

53:25>> So that's the only paperwork I have to

53:27do.

53:28>> Got it.

53:30>> And actually if you need to any of the

53:33get a map or something, I'm actually the

53:36person who can look those up for you. So

53:38find that.

53:40>> All right. Great. So we will

53:43>> correct.

53:45>> Yes.

53:45>> 21st at 6:30.

53:46>> Thank you.

53:47>> Thank you.

53:50>> I hear you a seriously appreciate you.

53:52All right. Thank you very much. Thank

53:53you.

53:56>> Okay.

54:00>> At six:30.

54:07>> All we have is the minutes. Correct.

54:08Approve general minutes.

55:07computer's got the worst

55:13was it was full when I started see this

55:14meeting and it's already

55:19is it replaceable like

55:22[clears throat]

55:23probably not

55:25also maxed out the Could [clears throat]

55:29be your charger, too.

55:31>> What's that?

55:32>> A lot of times that charger goes.

55:35>> Yeah, I got a couple different chargers.

55:40does spend most of his life just plugged

55:41in.

56:18think when when she mentioned the gravel

56:21driveway, the neighbor said there's no

56:23gravel driveway.

56:59Was

57:07that application chip was that continue

57:10to a time and date certain?

57:12>> No.

57:13>> So, are they reapplying or was this an

57:15informal conversation? [clears throat]

57:18Uh, as far as I could gather from Ed,

57:20she was she really didn't give a good

57:23reason why she came when she did. And it

57:26seemed like she was postponing to

57:28probably next year.

57:30>> Okay. So, there's no

57:33>> No.

57:36But was there an application?

57:38>> Yeah. Oh, yeah. There was an

57:39application. So, was it withdrawn?

57:41>> I I would characterize the conclusion of

57:44that as per her withdrawing.

57:47Yeah.

57:48>> Okay.

57:51So,

57:55so the application would withdrawn.

58:00>> Period.

58:00>> Yeah.

58:01>> They basically had less information than

58:04they had the first time when they came.

58:06>> I remember the first time they came

58:07around.

58:08>> All right. Um,

58:12worry about comments. Once you're given

58:13to me and I will mark up the word file

58:16and send it back.

58:17>> I got the extraneous the

58:18>> I got the extraneous the

58:21[clears throat]

58:23>> Okay.

58:24>> I was not there but it's something to

58:25say on that one.

58:26>> I was not there either. But it's just

58:29general minutes. So I'm just reading it

58:31forward.

58:33>> You guys, three of you tell me that it's

58:35accurate and I'm happy to to approve the

58:37general minutes. It's not a decision.

58:39>> Yeah.

58:41>> All right. So, I'll edit the board file.

58:44>> Yeah.

58:44>> And email it back to to Cheryl.

58:47>> Yeah.

58:49>> That's the That's the easiest way.

58:51>> Uh, yes. She told me honestly we I could

58:53just write up notes on here and then

58:56type it up myself and give it to her. If

58:58you would like to take care of it.

59:00>> Sounds like some very minor edits.

59:02>> I'll take care of that. Easy. Uh, we

59:06have a motion to approve the general

59:08minutes from the September 16th meeting.

59:11I move for approving the general minutes

59:13from the September 16th meeting.

59:17A second. I second the motion of Mr.

59:19Rogers.

59:21All in favor?

59:22>> I I one extension.

59:27>> Brett,

59:29Mr. forgiveness.

59:34[music]

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